[00:07:05] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Newsextension-checkok contains an incorrect </ br> tag that should be <br /> - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15976 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: General/Unknown; (rememberthedot)
[00:21:28] <CIA-6>	03demon * r42063 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/CodeRepository.php: Basic sanity checking. No reason to throw an exception everytime someone passes a bogus revid. Now you can do Special:Code/MediaWiki/1000000 and it won't explode, it'll just show the main listing :)
[00:25:04] <CIA-6>	03demon * r42064 10/trunk/extensions/News/News.i18n.php: Fix broken <br /> tag. Patch by RememberTheDot
[00:25:33] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Newsextension-checkok contains an incorrect </ br> tag that should be <br /> - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15976  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[00:27:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Support W3C geolocation API for in-browser geographic search - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15957  (10mrzmanwiki)
[00:28:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide geolocation search in API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15955  (10mrzmanwiki)
[00:30:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) In bugzilla, add component 'tests' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15967  (10mrzmanwiki)
[00:32:24] <CIA-6>	03demon * r42065 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/CodeRepository.php: Followup to r42063, need to fail properly here as well.
[00:33:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CategoryTreeItem: twice as many TABs for text browser users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15971  (10mrzmanwiki)
[00:37:10] <CIA-6>	03aaron * r42066 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (7 files in 4 dirs): 
[00:37:10] <CIA-6>	* Add and *use* rfb_timestamp column
[00:37:10] <CIA-6>	* Move some graph styling to css and pretty up some more
[00:37:10] <CIA-6>	* List out users who voted (checks misermode for now)
[00:42:59] <CIA-6>	03tstarling * r42067 10/trunk/debs/wikimedia-task-scaler/debian/ (changelog postinst): Add LVS VIP on postinst
[00:43:12] *AaronSchulz 	watches brion
[00:49:33] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) MediaWiki:Povwatch_pushed should use PLURAL: - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15977 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: General/Unknown; (rememberthedot)
[00:56:38] <CIA-6>	03tstarling * r42068 10/trunk/debs/wikimedia-task-scaler/debian/postinst: esac
[01:01:40] <CIA-6>	03aaron * r42069 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): * Reduce UI clutter and duplication
[01:08:15] <gremlin>	hi
[01:08:50] <gremlin>	is it possible to manage mediawiki users in groups?
[01:08:57] <Werdna>	!userrights | gremlin 
[01:08:57] --mwbot--	gremlin: For information on customizing user access, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights >. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access >.
[01:09:18] <gremlin>	thx
[01:13:38] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Editing tools not showing when trying to edit articles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12326  +comment (10wynhill)
[01:15:48] <gremlin>	wow that group management by editing config files looks very complicated and high maintenance to me (and i run gentoo -.-)
[01:16:22] <Mike_lifeguard>	gremlin: I find it easy.
[01:16:31] <Werdna>	gremlin: If you're adventurous, I've developed some alpha stuff that lets you manage on-wiki.
[01:16:43] <Werdna>	you can find it on subversion, under /branches/rightsmanager
[01:17:14] <CIA-6>	03river * r42070 10/trunk/tools/ts-specs/ (TSgnupg.spec base-specs/gnupg.spec): TSgnupg: new spec
[01:17:32] <gremlin>	i want to create a website with mediawiki for a game mod team. i want to write mod news etc which are public and i want to secure developer pages for developers only
[01:17:43] <gremlin>	and i want people to be able to discuss over the mod on the wiki
[01:17:59] <gremlin>	over = about
[01:18:06] <gremlin>	english is not my mother language as you see ;P
[01:20:10] <gremlin>	i'd love to see user administration work via web browser :/
[01:31:43] <Ryan_Lane>	gremlin: use separate wikis for public and developer
[01:32:20] <gremlin>	what functions can people use to discuss on the wiki
[01:32:27] <Ryan_Lane>	gremlin: allow anon to edit talk pages
[01:33:05] <gremlin>	do u know a wiki where that's possible to test?
[01:48:45] <DarkoNeko>	make one :)
[01:48:55] <Mike_lifeguard>	gremlin: our wikis allow that
[01:49:24] <gremlin>	which is 'our' ?
[01:50:27] <Mike_lifeguard>	WMF wikis. like wikipedia
[01:50:49] <Mike_lifeguard>	(well, they can edit any page, mostly, but they can also edit talk pages)
[02:04:01] <j4zzcat>	'lo all
[02:04:57] <j4zzcat>	any idea what precentage of the articles in the english wikipedia use the <ref> system?
[02:38:45] <CIA-6>	03tstarling * r42071 10/trunk/debs/wikimedia-task-scaler/debian/postinst: Fixed IP
[03:13:24] <wongfei>	hay guys
[03:13:53] <wongfei>	i'm so bad at php.. anyone have a good link for a how to on making a table of contents for my home page.. that in the likes of something one would expect to see on a wiki page?
[03:18:39] <Werdna>	hey francine
[03:18:53] <Werdna>	oops, I already said hello elsewhere
[03:18:55] *Werdna 	hides.
[03:53:25] <CIA-6>	03tstarling * r42072 10/trunk/debs/wikimedia-task-scaler/debian/ (changelog control): Added netpbm dependency for djvu decoding.
[03:57:00] <gremlin>	hi
[03:57:08] <gremlin>	how do i delete my own wiki account if im not admin?
[04:02:07] <DarkoNeko>	you don't
[04:02:15] <DarkoNeko>	accounts should not be deleted
[04:02:30] <DarkoNeko>	admin or not
[04:02:48] <TimStarling>	except if they have no edits
[04:02:55] <DarkoNeko>	I suppose, yeah
[04:03:05] <DarkoNeko>	and no flags ?
[04:03:16] <DarkoNeko>	not sure those are cascade deleted
[04:04:44] <TimStarling>	there's no cascade delete in mysql 4.0
[04:04:57] <DarkoNeko>	hm
[04:05:07] <DarkoNeko>	:/
[04:06:06] *AaronSchulz 	finds Ward Churchill fascinating
[04:38:39] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) SVG: attributes not inherited from root svg element - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5108  +comment (10tstarling)
[04:39:53] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Some SVGs render incorrectly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5163  +comment (10tstarling)
[04:43:44] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) librsvg rendering buggy wrt color and fill attributes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5257  +comment (10tstarling)
[04:47:43] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Broken rendering of arrows in SVG - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5325  +comment (10tstarling)
[04:49:55] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Incorrect SVG rasterisation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6417  +comment (10tstarling)
[04:53:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Incorrect rendering of stretched text in svg -> png conversion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8895  +comment (10tstarling)
[04:54:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SVG renderer does not support the <pattern> tag - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8552  +comment (10tstarling)
[05:02:54] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Hidden SVG layers should not be rendered - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14896  +comment (10tstarling)
[05:03:23] *Werdna 	watches the bugs fly away.
[05:04:01] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Upgrade librsvg - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10207  +comment (10tstarling)
[05:05:33] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Install more fonts (especially for Unicode) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8898  +comment (10tstarling)
[05:06:08] <CIA-6>	03tstarling * r42073 10/trunk/debs/wikimedia-task-scaler/debian/ (changelog control): (bug 8898) added ttf-liberation dependency
[05:07:25] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) SVG error when rendering thumbnails, but two specific sizes unaffected - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10586  +comment (10tstarling)
[05:07:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  syntax to transclude a page without the containing page inheriting categories , interlanguage links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=835  (10public)
[05:11:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Something Strange with SVG - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14336  -need-review -patch ; +comment (10tstarling)
[05:13:14] <MZMcBride>	Oh, Tim using the <sarcasm> tags today.
[05:13:26] <TimStarling>	I thought it might not be obvious
[05:13:47] <MZMcBride>	It rarely is with you.
[05:13:53] <TimStarling>	I didn't want to convey a dry kind of sarcasm, more like a bleeding obvious sarcasm
[05:14:07] <MZMcBride>	Did you notice Splark/a's comment earlier about the checkImage.php script seemingly only checking half of Commons?
[05:14:13] <TimStarling>	yes
[05:14:27] <TimStarling>	probably it stopped when the whole site went down
[05:14:40] <MZMcBride>	And then checked the rest of the wikis?
[05:14:48] <TimStarling>	yes
[05:14:50] <Werdna>	when did the site go down?
[05:15:10] <MZMcBride>	A disk filling up, no?
[05:15:11] <Werdna>	there's nothing in #wikimedia-tech backscroll :/
[05:15:15] <TimStarling>	October 12, 13:40
[05:15:18] <Werdna>	oh, a few days ago.
[05:15:25] <Werdna>	I thought you meant recently
[05:18:41] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Incorrect rendering SVG images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15041  +comment (10tstarling)
[05:22:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SVG: Missing implementation for textLength - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13387  summary; +comment (10tstarling)
[05:22:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SVG rasterisation on Wikimedia sites (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8901  (10tstarling)
[05:26:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SVG element missing when image is downsized - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9110  +comment (10tstarling)
[05:31:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SVG>PNG Incorrect text on path rendering - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9420  +comment (10tstarling)
[05:56:34] <|esthar|>	I had to install the non-free unrar program to install one of the extensions found on the extension Matrix.
[05:56:39] <|esthar|>	Kind of unhappy about that...
[05:58:11] <Splarka>	http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee130/OuterHaven160/a_winrar_is_you.jpg  </inappropriate>
[05:58:23] <Werdna>	|esthar|: isn't unrar provided with source code?
[05:59:40] <|esthar|>	werdna: the unrar I had to install is the non-fee one that can properly decompress RAR 3.0 files.  I run Debian, and had to specifically enable non-free repositories on my server so that I could download it and use the extension.
[06:00:20] <Werdna>	mmm, you could have installed from source.
[06:00:28] <Werdna>	But you are right, it is kinda annoying to demand a non-standard utility.
[06:00:42] <Werdna>	Whether it's 'free' or not doesn't bother me so much as whether or not it's standard.
[06:00:48] <Werdna>	why did you need it?
[06:02:19] <|esthar|>	I specifically have an issue with the fact that it is not freely licensed.
[06:02:41] <|esthar|>	I think that it's non-free nature makes it non-standard.  They are intrinsicly related.
[06:03:06] <|esthar|>	I needed it for the extension "AWC's Forum"
[06:08:58] <NicDumZ>	|esthar|, not sure that is extension is Open Source anyway
[06:09:20] <NicDumZ>	at least they do not provide any license
[06:09:53] <NicDumZ>	oh, CCA-SA 3
[06:10:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SVG element missing when image is downsized - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9110  (10N/A)
[06:19:06] *Hojjat 	pats CIA-6
[06:19:47] <NicDumZ>	ooops. tried to post in their forums about it; got a MWexception :)
[06:27:09] <|esthar|>	NicDumZ: It's CC-BY-SA 3.0
[06:27:14] <|esthar|>	Certainly Free.
[06:27:41] <NicDumZ>	yep, see above.^
[06:28:21] <NicDumZ>	|esthar|, well, I left a message on their boards. they might change the format.
[06:30:58] <Werdna>	06:02 < |esthar|> I specifically have an issue with the fact that it is not freely licensed.
[06:31:00] <Splarka>	mmm, recentchanges does have a bit of a bug with API move suppressing redirect, heh
[06:31:01] <Werdna>	06:02 < |esthar|> I think that it's non-free nature makes it non-standard.  They are intrinsicly related.
[06:31:04] <Werdna>	I disagree.
[06:31:07] <Splarka>	http://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&limit=5
[06:31:24] <Splarka>	* (Move log) ;23:25 . . Splarka (Talk | contribs | block) moved New Page to New Page2    (New Page is a red link, suppressed redirect)
[06:31:27] <Werdna>	It's only 'non-standard' because people like debian and ubuntu put all this scare and hype around "free as in speech" stuff.
[06:31:38] <Splarka>	* (diff) (hist) . . N New Page? ;23:24 . . (+4) . . Splarka (Talk | contribs | block) (New page: Test)    hasn't been removed, but page no longer exists
[06:31:38] <Werdna>	If it's released with source, it's not too bad.
[06:31:49] <Werdna>	anyway, there are 'free software' versions of unrar
[06:33:15] <|esthar|>	Werdna: You'd be daft to try and state that software freedoms are irrelevant in the age of restrictive copyrights and increased reliance on microcomputing.
[06:33:45] <|esthar|>	Anyway, the freely licensed unrar utilities available are *NOT* capable of decompressing RAR 3.0
[06:34:03] <|esthar|>	Practically any RAR you run across is 3.0 though.
[06:34:17] <|esthar|>	Hence, forced reliance on the non-free one.
[06:38:30] <Werdna>	|esthar|: Free *formats* are one issue, but free *software* is another entirely.
[06:38:42] <Werdna>	I don't see any ethical obligation to release the fruits of your mental labour to the world.
[06:42:12] <Hojjat>	<Hojjat>Splarka: related bug: http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges
[06:42:13] <Hojjat>	<Hojjat>(diff) (hist) . . N Move delete test?; 06:33 . . (+4) . . Huji (Talk | contribs | block) (New page: Text)
[06:42:13] <Hojjat>	<Hojjat>should be a red link but it is a blue link
[06:42:13] <Hojjat>	* Splarka mentioned that in #mediawiki which is probably more appropriate... nudge nudge
[06:42:47] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Deleted pages persist in Special:Newpages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15978 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (huji.huji)
[06:43:16] *Hojjat 	looks at Werdna
[06:43:31] *Werdna 	is not looking
[06:44:06] *Hojjat 	bounces back
[06:44:36] <due>	Mmm, inappropriate channel use.
[06:44:57] <Splarka>	Hojjat: maybe try rev 41337 (that wmf is on) on your local wiki
[06:46:05] <Hojjat>	sure, but it takes a while on dial up to svn update -r 41337
[06:46:13] <Werdna>	raleet
[06:56:06] <Hojjat>	Splarka: wow! There is something with that revision!
[06:56:54] <Splarka>	right, so now sit back and wait for next scap to fix the bug
[06:57:01] <Splarka>	or if you're bored, track it down
[06:57:02] <Hojjat>	:D
[06:58:15] <Splarka>	736 revisions, you can pinpoint it in 10 svn updates
[06:58:26] <Splarka>	(easier than looking through the code, yuck)
[06:59:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Deleted pages persist in Special:Newpages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15978  (10huji.huji)
[07:40:24] <schiste>	<a href="rss.xml"><img src="images/rss.gif" alt="RSS" style="border:none" /></a> 
[07:40:28] <schiste>	eurf -_-
[07:40:31] <schiste>	anyway
[07:40:32] <schiste>	hi
[07:40:34] <schiste>	:D
[07:40:46] <Sasa^Stefanovic>	hi
[07:40:46] <schiste>	I'd like to add in the sidebar an image
[07:40:53] <schiste>	linking to an internal page
[07:41:11] <schiste>	(something doing what I've pasted by accident)
[07:41:59] <schiste>	how could I do that?
[07:42:10] <Splarka>	could do it lazily... add it to MediaWiki:Sidebar as a blank link, and style it with #n-xml a {background: } in site CSS
[07:43:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Articles in wrong categories - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15968  (10markus)
[07:45:05] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Thumb script returning 500 error. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15979 minor; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (overlordq)
[07:45:45] <schiste>	as a blank link?
[07:54:14] <Splarka>	hmm, adding two blank entries to MediaWiki:Sidebar creates duplicate IDs
[07:54:21] <Splarka>	<li id="n-"> x 2
[07:54:57] <schiste>	oh ok understood :)
[07:54:59] <Splarka>	schiste: anyway, if you go to MediaWiki:Sidebar and then create an entry like:
[07:55:29] <Splarka>	** http://your.wiki/rss.xml|
[07:55:58] <Splarka>	and then view the page source to find it, probably:
[07:56:07] <Splarka>	<div class='generated-sidebar portlet' id='p-navigation'> ... <li id="n-">
[07:56:17] <Splarka>	which would be in MediaWiki:Monobook.css:
[07:56:34] <Splarka>	#p-navigation #n- a {}
[07:56:40] <Splarka>	and then you can give it a background image:
[07:56:44] <due>	/join #p-navigation
[07:57:02] <_wooz>	lo
[07:57:21] <Splarka>	#p-navigation #n- a { background: no-repeat top left url("/skins/images/rss.gif"); width:20px;height:20px;display:block; }
[07:57:47] <Splarka>	where the URL is of course the proper location (use absolute or at least starting at web root with /, not relative), and the width and height are appropriate
[07:58:01] <schiste>	ok 
[07:58:07] <Splarka>	this is the lazy way to do it, without making an extension or special skin
[07:58:09] <schiste>	I try it asap
[07:58:15] <schiste>	Thanks 
[07:58:31] <Splarka>	although it will appear on every page all the time and all link to the same spot
[07:58:42] <Splarka>	if you need more customization than that, you'll need to use JS or an extension