[00:04:46] <Mike_lifeguard>	lch: no, it will merge the page histories
[00:32:32] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special: PrefixIndex next page no longer lists the entire list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16032 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (danny.b)
[01:05:00] <hangfromthefloor>	I'd like some assistance moving a wiki
[01:05:32] <hangfromthefloor>	My friend originally hosts the wiki, and he sent me the exported database and files
[01:05:55] <hangfromthefloor>	I'm quite inexperienced in SQL, so I don't know how to recreate the database and files
[01:19:53] <DrSkullthumper>	Is there a way to link to a random page within a particular category, instead of a particular namespace?
[01:22:31] <simonrvn>	hangfromthefloor: you'd create the db, then add the content back via mysql/psql/whatever commandline tool, using that .sql file
[01:22:49] <hangfromthefloor>	simonrvn: A little more specific, I guess?
[01:22:54] <simonrvn>	it's actually very easy.
[01:22:55] <hangfromthefloor>	I'm not familiar with SQL in general
[01:23:53] <simonrvn>	the respective site has that specific info. i'm assuming mysql, so i'll link you up, sec.
[01:24:05] <hangfromthefloor>	Also, am I supposed to "install" Mediawiki, in the browser? (When I go to the wiki directory, it shows me "MediaWiki 1.13.1 / Please set up the wiki first.")
[01:25:43] <hangfromthefloor>	I'm looking at _http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Moving_a_wiki_
[01:26:11] <hangfromthefloor>	I've done steps 1, 2 of the overview section
[01:27:50] <simonrvn>	yeh, so you'll need to do those. what kind of access do you have?
[01:28:07] <simonrvn>	to the mysqld
[01:28:26] <DrSkullthumper>	To add to my query: Without using DPL :D
[01:28:56] <simonrvn>	<-- no idea
[01:29:03] <simonrvn>	DrSkullthumper:
[01:29:17] <DrSkullthumper>	Sorry if I was inturrupting something, I just wanted to add
[01:30:18] <simonrvn>	np
[01:31:13] <DrSkullthumper>	On the wiki I'm on, we were playing around with the idea of linking to a random featured article.
[01:31:46] <hangfromthefloor>	simonrvn: I honestly don't know how to do those
[01:31:49] <simonrvn>	oh, hmm, i wonder if that random thingy can be set to a specific NS
[01:32:15] <DrSkullthumper>	It can: [[Special:Random/Namespace]]
[01:32:28] <DrSkullthumper>	However, the FA's aren't in a namespace, they're in a category
[01:32:40] <simonrvn>	hangfromthefloor: well, what's the environment like, do you have access to the commandline, are you (stuck) using phpmyadmin or something?
[01:33:03] <hangfromthefloor>	EasyPHP, I do have enough access (except Windows as limited user)
[01:34:20] <simonrvn>	i don't do much windows stuff, so i dunno that is ;). i'm assuming some sort of binary install of php
[01:34:36] <simonrvn>	what that*
[01:35:01] <hangfromthefloor>	Well I mean, it's PHP 5, MySQL 5, and Apache  basically
[01:35:08] <hangfromthefloor>	so it's not like completely different
[01:35:14] <simonrvn>	DrSkullthumper: ok, so basic WAMP install
[01:35:44] <hangfromthefloor>	I just really don't know what to do at all
[01:35:44] <simonrvn>	er, hangfromthefloor ^^
[01:35:44] <hangfromthefloor>	aka, noob :)
[01:36:34] <J_adore>	Hello, hello, hello
[01:36:42] <simonrvn>	pop up cmd.exe, then start typing stuff in, i'll be giving you *nix commands by accident, i'll try to make them windowsy if i can
[01:36:53] <J_adore>	I would like to restrict the viewing of images unless the user has permissions to view images
[01:37:11] <J_adore>	Is there a simple way to do this with userrights ?
[01:37:18] <simonrvn>	so make a db and user
[01:37:25] <DrSkullthumper>	Images, or image pages?
[01:37:37] <J_adore>	Both ;)
[01:37:55] <DrSkullthumper>	Ye gods. I dunno off the top of my head.
[01:37:57] <DrSkullthumper>	<- n00b
[01:38:04] <hangfromthefloor>	↑ noob
[01:38:08] <hangfromthefloor>	← noob
[01:38:20] <DrSkullthumper>	hello fellow n00b
[01:38:21] <simonrvn>	J_adore: i beleive that would be the way to do it
[01:38:28] <simonrvn>	believe*
[01:38:29] <J_adore>	db = database ?
[01:38:35] <J_adore>	Make a database and user ?
[01:38:49] <J_adore>	Er..? Explain ;) ?
[01:38:58] <simonrvn>	not you, hangfromthefloor  =)
[01:39:22] <J_adore>	ah
[01:39:48] <J_adore>	!lockdown
[01:39:48] --mwbot--	Lockdown is an extension for preventing read or write access by namespace and limiting access to special pages. For more information, see < http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Lockdown >. For general information on preventing access to your wiki, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access >.
[01:39:53] <J_adore>	Sweetttt
[01:39:56] <hangfromthefloor>	if anything's for me, I'm using chatzilla, so if you prefix your messages with "hangfromthefloor:"  or something similar, it'll aggressive notify the window
[01:40:28] <simonrvn>	better than using mirc ;)
[01:41:32] <hangfromthefloor>	yup
[01:41:39] <hangfromthefloor>	So would anyone be willing to instruct me?
[01:41:54] <J_adore>	Hrmph, I believe I have an idea.... is it possible to create two classes of images, if that makes any sense? I'd like to restrict access to images uploaded as, say class 1, and allow access to images in class 2
[01:41:54] <hangfromthefloor>	(...in detail)
[01:41:58] <simonrvn>	yeh hold on, i gotta remember how ;)
[01:43:01] <hangfromthefloor>	Thanks
[01:43:10] <J_adore>	hangfromthefloor, ha, I did that once... the simplest way is to get phpmyadmin and run a mysql query to create a new database
[01:43:14] <J_adore>	Very, very, very simple
[01:43:23] <J_adore>	Even for a MySQL idiot like me
[01:45:55] <hangfromthefloor>	Can't get phpmyadmin, just have to rely on the good ol' trusty shell
[01:46:08] <hangfromthefloor>	Now I'm confused about this:
[01:46:09] <simonrvn>	http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/create-user.html
[01:46:16] <simonrvn>	hangfromthefloor: ^^^
[01:46:18] <hangfromthefloor>	Do I "set up the wiki"
[01:46:40] <hangfromthefloor>	and then make the databasee?
[01:47:02] <simonrvn>	so, you'd connect to the mysqld like mysql -p -u root -h whatever_ip_address_the_mysqld_is_running_on 
[01:47:18] <hangfromthefloor>	Already connected
[01:47:19] <simonrvn>	the -h may be optional, since it'll default to the socket
[01:47:21] <simonrvn>	ok
[01:47:41] <hangfromthefloor>	(btw, I can just use 'localhost', right?)
[01:48:15] <simonrvn>	so you'd do: create user THE_USER identified by password 'thepassword';
[01:48:17] <simonrvn>	yes
[01:49:17] <hangfromthefloor>	User isn't going to be affiliated with a Mediawiki user or anyhthing, just to access the db?
[01:49:45] <simonrvn>	yes, it's the user that'll be making the changes, etc.
[01:50:07] <hangfromthefloor>	um
[01:50:17] <hangfromthefloor>	ok ok 
[01:50:29] <simonrvn>	so once you have the user, create the database, then you'll need to GRANT that user some privileges
[01:50:43] <hangfromthefloor>	Error 1372, password should be hash
[01:51:03] <simonrvn>	http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/create-database.html
[01:51:21] <simonrvn>	wot?
[01:51:37] <hangfromthefloor>	I did the "create user", said something about pw needing to be 41-char hash
[01:52:05] <simonrvn>	that PASSWORD keyword is supposed to hash the plaintext... hm, sec
[01:52:41] <hangfromthefloor>	Well can I just make the database instead of worrying about the user...
[01:52:45] <hangfromthefloor>	I'm already connected
[01:52:49] <hangfromthefloor>	I can make tables and dbs and such
[01:53:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Fix portal_talk namespace in Malay language Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9907  +comment (10tarmiziaffandi)
[01:53:07] <simonrvn>	it's not a good idea to use the root account to do that
[01:53:14] <hangfromthefloor>	ok
[01:53:26] <hangfromthefloor>	well then let's figure out this hash pw
[01:53:42] <simonrvn>	set up is ok, but "in-production" usage no
[01:54:01] <hangfromthefloor>	ok
[01:54:11] <hangfromthefloor>	Now the sun docs say "To specify the password as the hashed value as returned by the PASSWORD() function, include the PASSWORD keyword. "
[01:54:17] <simonrvn>	so: CREATE USER theuser IDENTIFIED BY PASSWORD 'thepassword'; more or less what you did, right?
[01:54:30] <hangfromthefloor>	ytes
[01:54:32] <hangfromthefloor>	exactly
[01:54:39] <hangfromthefloor>	with the single quotes at the end
[01:55:30] <hangfromthefloor>	Meh, let's just do with root... i don't have too much time
[01:55:53] <J_adore>	I use root for mine
[01:55:54] <simonrvn>	ok, you can set the user after you've imported the data, etc.
[01:55:58] <J_adore>	Oh wait, no I don't
[01:56:03] <hangfromthefloor>	So now what?
[01:56:07] <hangfromthefloor>	:]
[01:56:09] <simonrvn>	i never use root beyond admin tasks
[01:56:20] <simonrvn>	http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/create-database.html
[01:56:29] <hangfromthefloor>	okk fine
[01:56:39] <simonrvn>	skip to create database
[01:56:40] <hangfromthefloor>	Then how do I make the password
[01:56:42] <hangfromthefloor>	ok
[01:56:53] <hangfromthefloor>	create database wikidb; right
[01:57:23] <simonrvn>	yeh, whatever db that sql file you have has (it might have one already set)
[01:57:53] <hangfromthefloor>	so it would be "[whatever].sql"
[01:58:00] <hangfromthefloor>	for the new database
[01:58:04] <simonrvn>	it's (mostly) just text, so you can use a text file reader (that won't mangle the line endings)
[01:58:08] <simonrvn>	no
[01:58:12] <hangfromthefloor>	?
[01:58:13] <simonrvn>	drop the .sql
[01:58:16] <hangfromthefloor>	yeah
[01:58:21] <hangfromthefloor>	thats' what I meant
[01:58:26] <simonrvn>	oh ok :)
[01:58:35] <hangfromthefloor>	Created. 
[01:58:37] <hangfromthefloor>	woot!!
[01:58:41] <simonrvn>	:)
[01:59:40] <hangfromthefloor>	now we must import the db
[01:59:41] <simonrvn>	now, if you do \h at the prompt, it'll show you some options; the one we want is \. or 'source'. we want to source that .sql file, and add it to the db
[01:59:47] <hangfromthefloor>	ok
[02:00:06] <simonrvn>	you may want to do USE wikidb; to make sure you're at the right place
[02:00:15] <hangfromthefloor>	oK
[02:00:25] <hangfromthefloor>	now source?
[02:00:28] <simonrvn>	yeh
[02:02:47] <hangfromthefloor>	there it goes :)
[02:02:51] <hangfromthefloor>	Now we do.../
[02:03:10] <hangfromthefloor>	import the files?
[02:04:04] <simonrvn>	the files you'll have to place them wherever your site's document root is, and probably under the w directory, if you have a default site
[02:04:22] <simonrvn>	the images, etc. in images/, etc.
[02:04:50] <hangfromthefloor>	ok 
[02:04:55] <hangfromthefloor>	and then the configs files
[02:05:00] <hangfromthefloor>	um
[02:05:05] <hangfromthefloor>	If I go to localhost/mw
[02:05:09] <hangfromthefloor>	it still shows "set up the wiki:
[02:07:17] <simonrvn>	probably because we haven't set the access properly. ok, just figured out the PASSWORD thing.
[02:07:42] <hangfromthefloor>	ok
[02:07:43] <simonrvn>	so, since we're already at a db, we just need to do:
[02:07:58] <simonrvn>	select password('thepasswordyouwant');
[02:08:21] <hangfromthefloor>	I see
[02:08:25] <simonrvn>	then it'll spit out the hashed version, just copy&paste that into the create user command line from above.
[02:08:35] <hangfromthefloor>	can't I do that inside the whole command?
[02:08:37] <hangfromthefloor>	like
[02:08:41] <hangfromthefloor>	creat user .... password(...)
[02:08:45] <simonrvn>	i tried that, it whined
[02:09:01] <hangfromthefloor>	how do I copy
[02:09:14] <simonrvn>	with your mouse? :)
[02:09:19] <hangfromthefloor>	lol CMD
[02:09:36] <simonrvn>	you can, i've done it
[02:09:58] <simonrvn>	oh, that might have been putty *grin*
[02:10:04] <hangfromthefloor>	:(
[02:10:16] <simonrvn>	hm, sec
[02:11:03] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Enable import/export between ms.wikipedia and id.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16033 normal; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (tarmiziaffandi)
[02:11:09] <hangfromthefloor>	Ok got it
[02:11:13] <hangfromthefloor>	can I verify it works?
[02:11:56] <simonrvn>	try it, won't hurt
[02:12:03] <hangfromthefloor>	like, how
[02:12:14] <hangfromthefloor>	and it says it's on host "%" instead of "localhost" like root
[02:12:28] <simonrvn>	that's ok, at least for now
[02:12:37] <simonrvn>	% is a wildcard
[02:12:45] <hangfromthefloor>	ok
[02:12:53] <hangfromthefloor>	how can I check my pw works or anything
[02:13:48] <simonrvn>	ok, so do the create user but leave off the PASSWORD part, but leave in the 'yourpassword' part itself, we can encrypt it afterwards
[02:14:12] <hangfromthefloor>	ok 
[02:14:17] <simonrvn>	create user foo identified by 'passwd';
[02:14:34] <simonrvn>	then we just alter user .......
[02:15:45] <hangfromthefloor>	hm?
[02:18:29] <simonrvn>	"SET PASSWORD FOR 'user'@'%' = PASSWORD('yourpassword');"
[02:19:11] <hangfromthefloor>	wonderful
[02:19:27] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) special wanted templates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16024  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[02:19:49] <simonrvn>	no need for copy&paste ;)
[02:19:53] <hangfromthefloor>	Well
[02:19:55] <hangfromthefloor>	I did :)
[02:19:59] <SudoKing>	Is there a limit to the number of groups a user can be in?
[02:20:01] <hangfromthefloor>	_now_ what
[02:20:01] <simonrvn>	heh, ok
[02:20:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) special wanted templates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16024  (10innocentkiller)
[02:20:31] <simonrvn>	make sure all the info matches in LocalSettings.php and AdminSettings.php, and try to access the wiki
[02:20:42] <hangfromthefloor>	I don't have the original
[02:20:45] <hangfromthefloor>	should I modify it manually
[02:20:49] <hangfromthefloor>	:)
[02:20:54] <simonrvn>	might as well
[02:21:02] <hangfromthefloor>	and I still don't have an answer for the "set up a wiki" thing 
[02:21:24] <hangfromthefloor>	It looks like:
[02:21:25] <hangfromthefloor>	[The MediaWiki logo]
[02:21:27] <hangfromthefloor>	MediaWiki 1.13.1
[02:21:29] <hangfromthefloor>	Please set up the wiki first.
[02:21:35] <simonrvn>	once you've given it the db details, it should stop whining, at least partly ;)
[02:21:40] <SudoKing>	(11 groups are set on an account and the software will not allow anymore)
[02:21:53] <simonrvn>	SudoKing: i dunno
[02:22:09] <SudoKing>	It returns no error, so I'm not sure
[02:22:16] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) <nowiki> block transferred to HTML when <nowiki> in template - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16034 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (danny.b)
[02:23:16] <hangfromthefloor>	there are no settings files I can find
[02:23:21] <hangfromthefloor>	I'll just "set it up" then
[02:24:14] <simonrvn>	one should be in config/ the other is at the wiki top-level directory
[02:24:22] <hangfromthefloor>	םי םל
[02:24:25] <simonrvn>	the AdminSettings.php.sample
[02:24:30] <hangfromthefloor>	oh ok *
[02:24:34] <simonrvn>	heh
[02:24:46] <simonrvn>	i don't read hebrew very well :/
[02:25:00] <hangfromthefloor>	config only has index.php
[02:25:17] <SudoKing>	Also, I tried removing all groups from myself, but I'm still able to access the userrights page :?
[02:25:39] <simonrvn>	hangfromthefloor: hm. 'k, sec
[02:25:44] <hangfromthefloor>	sure
[02:25:44] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) getShellLocale() - Undefined variable: wikiLang - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16016  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[02:25:45] <CIA-6>	03demon * r42212 10/trunk/phase3/config/index.php: (bug 16016) Fix typo in setup function getShellLocale()
[02:26:40] <simonrvn>	you don't have a config\LocalSettings.php.conf there?
[02:26:52] <hangfromthefloor>	not at all
[02:26:55] <hangfromthefloor>	heh
[02:26:57] <simonrvn>	how odd
[02:26:59] <hangfromthefloor>	I'm such a noob
[02:27:20] <simonrvn>	ok, so grab one from the tarball or zip from mediawiki.org
[02:27:25] <hangfromthefloor>	er
[02:27:47] <hangfromthefloor>	Didn't come with one
[02:28:01] <simonrvn>	oooh, duh me
[02:29:20] <hangfromthefloor>	hm?
[02:31:57] <simonrvn>	it's a copy of includes/DefaultSettings.php with modifications
[02:32:21] <simonrvn>	(and trimmed down a LOT)
[02:32:45] <hangfromthefloor>	ok the
[02:32:51] <hangfromthefloor>	then * what exactly should I modify
[02:34:12] <simonrvn>	at minimum, it's  $wgDBtype $wgDBpassword $wgDBuser $wgDBconnection
[02:34:36] <simonrvn>	er, server not connection
[02:34:47] <simonrvn>	so $wgDBserver
[02:34:53] <hangfromthefloor>	not localhost?
[02:34:56] <hangfromthefloor>	or localhsot is ok
[02:35:03] <simonrvn>	localhost is fine
[02:35:30] <hangfromthefloor>	ok
[02:35:59] <hangfromthefloor>	WJpedia has a problem
[02:36:01] <simonrvn>	also, you'll need to set the directory the wiki is in, with $wgScriptPath and such
[02:36:12] <hangfromthefloor>	ok
[02:36:34] <hangfromthefloor>	er
[02:36:36] <hangfromthefloor>	g2g
[02:36:39] <hangfromthefloor>	But thanks for helping
[02:36:41] <hangfromthefloor>	so much :D
[02:36:42] <simonrvn>	'k, gl
[02:39:34] <J_adore>	lol
[02:40:00] <J_adore>	Well, I've set up img_auth.php like I was suppose to
[02:40:28] <J_adore>	However, what is stopping someone from replacing /image/path/somewhere/out/there with /img_auth.php/path/somewhere/out/there
[02:43:37] <TimStarling>	you can move it out of the document root, or use the webserver configuration to deny access
[03:07:01] <chuck>	What SVG convertor would you guys recommend?
[03:07:53] <Splarka>	rsvg
[03:09:06] <Splarka>	(although some like imagemagick, inkscape, batik)
[03:09:08] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/SVG_benchmarks
[03:09:09] <J_adore>	chuck, svg --> * or * ---> svg
[03:10:38] <chuck>	Splarka: Yeah I think rsvg is what I was using previously, thanks
[03:26:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add magic words to resolve canonical names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10449  +comment (10nicdumz)
[04:12:06] <CIA-6>	03nicdumz * r42213 10/trunk/phase3/ (7 files in 5 dirs): (bug 13701) {{NUMBEROFVIEWS}} magic word to show number of total views.
[04:12:39] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) New magic word for number of total views - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13701  +comment (10nicdumz)
[04:18:16] <Von>	I'm trying to find where it says "powered by MediaWiki" with the icon, poweredby_mediawiki_88x31.png... Where is that? (in a skin sense)
[04:19:29] <Krimpet>	Von, skins/common/images/poweredby_mediawiki_88x31.png
[04:19:51] <Von>	Right, I mean, where in the skins directory is that being called?
[04:20:08] <Von>	what's making it appear on the page
[04:20:14] <Splarka>	http://google.com/codesearch?num=100&q=package%3Asvn.wikimedia.org%2Fsvnroot%2Fmediawiki%2Ftrunk+file%3Aphase3%2F+poweredby_mediawiki_88x31.png
[04:21:26] <Krimpet>	Von, Skin::getPoweredBy().
[04:21:49] <Krimpet>	Skin.php, line ~1339
[04:23:31] <Von>	Is it okay to delete that whole function? (without breaking anything)
[04:24:44] <Krimpet>	No, it expects a string to be returned
[04:25:06] <Krimpet>	I'd suggest against editing the code in most cases anyway, it makes upgrading a pain
[04:25:36] <Von>	Only if you don't backup first
[04:25:52] <Splarka>	kill it with CSS
[04:26:20] <due>	Krimpet: If you're using svn, it should merge changes like that easily.
[04:26:28] <Von>	For some reason, that ain't working. Switched skins and now it's stubbornly hanging in there.
[04:26:31] <due>	Just alter the code to return a blank string instead of the function.
[04:27:03] <Splarka>	#f-poweredbyico {display:none;}
[04:27:16] <Krimpet>	I'd just personally suggest creating a new skin and removing poweredbyico, cleanest way to do it. :)
[04:27:18] <Splarka>	wlel, find out the ID in other skins too ^_^
[04:27:23] <Splarka>	^well
[04:34:25] *chalcedony 	smiles
[04:35:07] <chalcedony>	question: how do i keep the lines from stretching outside the browser boundary?
[04:35:23] <chalcedony>	they want to make 40 mile wide paragraphs!
[04:35:48] <Splarka>	don't indent them
[04:36:08] <chalcedony>	i moved them all to the left before i pasted it
[04:36:08] <Splarka>	indenting lines creates <pre> in wikicode which is a non-wrapping html tag
[04:36:18] <chalcedony>	oh!
[04:36:31] <Splarka>	outside of <pre> and some esoteric cases, all text should wrap
[04:37:03] <CIA-6>	03nicdumz * r42214 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialWhatlinkshere.php: (bug 15934) spacing on WhatLinksHere
[04:37:16] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) spacing on WhatLinksHere - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15934  +comment (10nicdumz)
[04:38:16] <NicDumZ>	 I like bugs tagged "easy".
[04:39:29] <chalcedony>	ok that fixed it..
[04:39:46] <chalcedony>	i thought [show changes] showed the changes?
[04:39:50] <chalcedony>	previous edits 
[04:41:40] <CIA-6>	03tstarling * r42215 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/storage/ (blob_tracking.sql trackBlobs.php): Some initial work on external storage recompression. Committing now in case I accidentally destroy it in a fit of refactoring.
[04:42:12] <Splarka>	[show changes] shows you a preview of what the diff will look like
[04:42:18] <Splarka>	a line by line comparison of what you changed
[04:42:25] <Splarka>	removing a leading space isn't much of a change
[04:42:35] <Splarka>	use [show preview] to see the rendered change
[04:42:37] <chalcedony>	Splarka: ty yes 
[04:43:19] <chalcedony>	i think i deleted a smiley by accident .. i was trying to find the previous viersions
[04:44:40] <Splarka>	ahh, go to [history]
[04:45:36] <chalcedony>	:-)   Ha!
[04:45:38] <chalcedony>	ty
[05:01:25] <Stricklan>	can you get me unbanned from #wikipedai
[05:01:28] <Stricklan>	*wikipedia
[05:11:30] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Stray asterisks on Special:Statistics - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16035 trivial; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (sco_scam)
[05:15:01] <Stricklan>	what the hell
[05:17:38] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Stray asterisks on Special:Statistics - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16035  +comment (10krimpet)
[05:27:54] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) PAGESINCATEGORY inaccurate for template-populated deletion categories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16036 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Categories; (sco_scam)
[05:31:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) <nowiki> block transferred to HTML when <nowiki> in template - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16034  +comment (10krimpet)
[05:48:08] <CIA-6>	03aaron * r42216 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Revision.php: Add getVisibility()
[05:49:14] <p858snake>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16035 <maybe someone should comment about how a note about that on the page might help
[06:11:14] <CIA-6>	03aaron * r42217 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialNewpages.php: Code style tweak
[06:11:22] <CIA-6>	03tstarling * r42218 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/storage/ (blob_tracking.sql trackBlobs.php): Refactored and added orphan blob search
[06:31:48] <CIA-6>	03aaron * r42219 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialNewpages.php: Actually use $this->stripComment()
[06:40:15] <CIA-6>	03aaron * r42220 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialContributions.php: (bug 6955) RSS feed for Special:Contributions/newbies
[06:40:15] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) RSS feed for Special:Contributions/newbies - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6955  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[06:40:50] <Random832>	on a non-WM wiki I read, I tried to use special:linksearch and failed - is linksearch an extension or is the site just on an old version?
[06:43:13] <TimStarling>	it's an extension
[06:45:01] <Random832>	what extension? can't find anything obvious on wm special:version
[06:46:20] <TimStarling>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/LinkSearch/
[06:46:44] <TimStarling>	it was merged into the core, but that's not released yet
[06:46:51] <Random832>	ok
[06:46:56] <Random832>	thanks
[06:46:58] <CIA-6>	03nicdumz * r42221 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/CodeRevisionListView.php: Adding tooltip over truncated paths
[06:47:28] <Random832>	now i know what to bug the admin there with once I get the _other_ piece I need to fix the links to their dead forum
[07:35:36] <_wooz>	lo
[08:05:54] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) MediaWiki:Categorytree-member-num needs &nbsp; - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16015  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[08:15:51] <vaesir>	hi
[08:16:23] <vaesir>	can someone help me with 1 question please?
[08:19:11] <vaesir>	!ops
[08:19:11] --mwbot--	Help, ops! Ashar, brion, Charitwo, Cometstyles, domas, Eloquence, Fire, flyingparchment, Hashar, JeLuF, jeronim, jwales, MinuteElectron, Splarka, VasilievVV, Werdna
[08:19:20] <Wuzur|away>	of course, just ask
[08:19:27] <Splarka>	!ask | vaesir
[08:19:27] --mwbot--	vaesir: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[08:19:44] <vaesir>	i'm trying to make a template 
[08:19:51] <vaesir>	but is not working
[08:20:33] <vaesir>	im getting this msg Template loop detected: Format:Basic
[08:20:33] <due>	That ! ops command is *obnoxious*.
[08:20:57] <vaesir>	im sorry it has been a while since i use mirc
[08:21:00] <vaesir>	:)
[08:21:15] <due>	domas: :)
[08:21:27] <domas>	\o/
[08:21:36] <due>	vaesir: Don't include a template in itself, or in a template that the template refers to.
[08:21:56] <vaesir>	i said i'm sorry domas
[08:22:08] <due>	vaesir: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recursive_loop#Infinite_recursion
[08:22:26] <domas>	vaesir: 'sorry' doesn't de-summon an op
[08:22:42] <domas>	and once summoned op has to do something!
[08:23:21] <vaesir>	oh ok
[08:27:26] <WaRpAtH>	hehe
[09:08:27] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Captcha is displayed when user transcludes a template that has an external link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16037 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: ConfirmEdit; (church.of.emacs.ml)
[09:12:15] *Werdna 	summons domas.
[09:12:16] *Werdna 	ducks.
[10:13:50] <lch>	when was the Parser update, again? 1.11.0 to 1.12.0 or 1.12.0 to 1.13.0?
[10:14:18] <lch>	and did the update make the parser make more efficient, as in decreased rendering time?
[10:43:12] <Splarka>	lch: it was "rewritten" around the beginning of the year, the changeover was a bit gradual (being optional until ~1.13ish). the reason I think, was that the old method was just ugly/icky
[10:44:31] <mikeX>	Splarka: you mentioned using a pre-template a few days ago (I want to have a timestamp/sig automatically inserted through a template), can you elaborate on that?
[10:45:35] <Splarka>	well, you can't subst in the time/date without substing in the parent template. it is a common request that defies logic
[10:46:04] <Splarka>	that is, if all you have on the calling page is {{foo}}, where will subst:CURRENTDAY actually reside? in the template page itself? nowhere...
[10:46:40] <Splarka>	so the solution often arrived at, barring full substution of ugly templates, is to subst a mid-template inserting the static needs (date, signature, whatever), as a parameter
[10:46:58] <Splarka>	{{subst:foo}} creates {{bar|date here}}
[10:47:23] <Splarka>	contents of foo might be: {{bar|{{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>CURRENTDAY}} ... etc}}
[10:47:55] <Splarka>	in this way it is just a short command {{subst:foo}} to create a not-very-dirty call with permanent edit-date attached
[10:48:07] <Splarka>	and in template:bar you can call it with the parameter {{{1}}} (or name it)
[10:49:11] <mikeX>	i see, thanks a lot!
[10:49:51] <due>	Concisely: It's nasty.
[11:25:41] <mikeX>	is there a magic word or function that returns the creation date of a page?
[11:31:08] <TimStarling>	I hope not
[11:32:50] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Display error/ info message when image from bad image list rejected - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16038 minor; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (danny.b)
[11:45:55] <Werdna>	mikeX: there's a bug for that.
[11:46:08] <Werdna>	TimStarling: so I hear the paragon won't take minors :(
[11:46:42] <TimStarling>	maybe we can move it
[11:46:42] <mikeX>	Werdna: feature request?
[11:46:55] <Werdna>	TimStarling: I posted to the list a few days ago, but haven't heard anything.
[11:47:07] <Werdna>	I figure if it's at 6, it might be a decent break, and my next exam after tomorrow is Friday anyway.
[11:47:26] <Werdna>	mikeX: yeah, a "bug" is a general request for a change to the software or Wikimedia's configuration thereof, in this context.
[11:48:41] <mikeX>	:)
[11:49:03] <Werdna>	mikeX: bugzilla.wikimedia.org
[11:49:32] <mikeX>	thx Werdna 
[11:51:48] <Werdna>	TimStarling: did English have to count for a UAI when you did the HSC?
[11:51:52] <Werdna>	or was that new in 2001?
[11:52:00] <TimStarling>	Angela just replied on the list
[11:52:22] <TimStarling>	English had to count
[11:52:30] <TimStarling>	only half of it though
[11:53:05] <TimStarling>	1U of english, 1U of list A, 1U of list B, 8 U of whatever you did best at
[11:53:17] <Werdna>	ah.
[11:53:20] <Werdna>	It has to count for us.
[11:53:31] <Werdna>	And my final english exam finishes in 12 hours.. hooray!
[11:53:58] <TimStarling>	yay
[11:54:14] <due>	Werdna: Luck!
[11:55:41] <Werdna>	then Friday, Monday/Wednesday, Tuesday/Thursday.
[11:55:43] <Werdna>	An excellent timetable.
[11:57:44] <Werdna>	due: thanks :)
[12:07:28] *Werdna 	is having a group English notes burning session tomorrow afternoon.
[13:33:43] <Baryca>	hello!
[13:34:52] <Baryca>	can anyone help me with an advice?
[13:41:36] <MinuteElectron>	!ask | Baryca 
[13:41:36] --mwbot--	Baryca: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[13:42:02] <Baryca>	aight
[13:42:35] <Baryca>	i would like to start a cinema encyclopedia
[13:43:20] <Baryca>	and I'm looking for some resources about using templates 
[13:54:22] <fm>	is there a simple way to put an exclamation mark with a sentence besides it on a wiki page?
[14:22:09] <Mjwalsh>	Hi, I've uploaded a patch for bug 4740 on bugzilla to provide thead, tbody and tfoot elements in tables. I was wondering if someone out there would have a look at it?
[14:49:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) thead, tbody, tfoot for wikitable syntax - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4740   +need-review +patch; +comment (10nicdumz)
[16:23:27] <J_adore>	I get an odd error... http://pastie.org/295787
[16:23:35] <J_adore>	Something is fsked with the tokens
[16:23:42] <J_adore>	I think the +\ is causing a problem
[16:28:07] <J_adore>	Anyone have any ideas?
[16:38:35] <t0lk>	does anyone know of a site that I can copy code into to show others?
[16:44:11] <J_adore>	t0lk, botwiki
[16:44:23] <t0lk>	thank you
[17:17:52] <lch>	does anybody know about tweaks to the MySQL configuration that might make MediaWiki run better?
[17:18:20] <lch>	because I see a couple of red warnings on the info page, and suggestions to increase the cache size
[17:18:32] <Reedy>	i found memcached sped up MW
[17:19:49] <lch>	I already have ACP installed, you think memcached is going to improve it further?
[17:20:05] <Reedy>	*APC
[17:20:16] <Reedy>	if you've got one, i suspect not
[17:20:17] <lch>	yeah
[17:20:22] <Reedy>	/it probably wouldnt be a good idea
[17:20:46] <lch>	well, AFAIK APC is only an object cache for PHP code, no general memory cache
[17:20:56] <Reedy>	hmm
[17:20:56] <lch>	in case memcached would help MySQL any
[17:21:00] <Reedy>	yeah
[17:21:11] <Reedy>	give it a try, its generally easy enough to setup
[17:23:21] <Nikerabbit>	lch: it has application cache too
[17:26:23] <lch>	ic
[17:27:11] <Nikerabbit>	http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:ViewAPC
[17:28:51] <lch>	wut, Mantis support?
[17:28:56] <lch>	what kinda Mantis support?
[17:29:08] *lch 	wants Mantis support in his MediaWiki, too
[17:29:23] <Nikerabbit>	click the link :D
[17:29:43] <Reedy>	Whens the Image --> File change happening
[17:29:43] <Reedy>	?
[17:30:31] <Nikerabbit>	was supposed to be today, but probably happens when it happens
[17:31:32] <Reedy>	sure, just need to keep an eye on it so i can finish the changes for AWB and force out a new release
[17:32:12] <Nikerabbit>	can't you do it beforehand?
[17:32:59] <Reedy>	i would've thought so, but im not so sure... MaxSem would've done that if it was the case :/
[17:33:16] <Reedy>	suppose one way to find out
[17:33:19] <lch>	Nikerabbit, ah, okay, but there's not some kind of Mantis extension / plugin / whatever though?
[17:33:30] <Nikerabbit>	lch: nope
[17:33:50] <Nikerabbit>	Reedy: well, I can imagine it breaking for everything else than wikipedia if it weren't possible
[17:35:12] <Reedy_>	should've thought so, as its setting File to the main, but Image can be used as an alias..
[17:35:44] <J_adore>	([Ff]ile|[Ii]mage)
[17:35:46] <J_adore>	Oh joy
[17:36:10] <Reedy_>	lo
[17:36:18] <Reedy_>	its not done as a regex comparison
[17:36:24] <J_adore>	I know
[17:36:37] *Danny_B 	just found pretty destructive bug
[17:36:38] <J_adore>	Lots of broken bots in a few hours 
[17:37:00] <Nikerabbit>	J_adore: and namespaces are case insensitive :o 
[17:37:28] <J_adore>	:O
[17:45:46] <Danny_B>	bad image list is via extension or in core?
[17:54:45] <svip>	Hah.
[17:54:54] <svip>	I am amazed how well this layout works with Monobook.
[17:55:06] <svip>	I just wish Firefox supported :first-of-type.
[17:55:19] <Nikerabbit>	hmh
[17:55:34] <svip>	Look for yourself, Nikerabbit; http://spiltirsdag.dk/~svip/cah/index.php/Main_Page
[17:56:56] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Submitting page with image from bad image list causes text to disappear - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16039 major; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (danny.b)
[17:57:03] <Nikerabbit>	mmm monobook
[17:57:09] <svip>	Mmm indeed.
[17:57:22] <svip>	Monobook is also a brilliant name.
[17:57:34] <lch>	svip, gah, colorz
[17:57:43] <svip>	Wrong, colours.
[17:57:56] <Nikerabbit>	khalars
[17:58:29] <svip>	Well, well, lch, I am not forcing you to view it!
[17:58:46] <svip>	You just clicked a link I showed to Nikerabbit.
[17:58:53] <svip>	Come to think about it, how rude!
[18:06:41] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Fatal error when viewing Special: GlobalBlocklist with a block in it - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16040 major; normal; MediaWiki extensions: GlobalBlocking; (techman224)
[18:08:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Category pagination (&from and &until) should utilize pageid for disambiguating identical-sortkeys - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16021  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[18:09:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Category pagination (&from and &until) should utilize pageid for disambiguating identical-sortkeys - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16021  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[18:09:17] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Category pagination (&from and &until) should utilize pageid for disambiguating identical-sortkeys - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16021  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[18:10:30] <Nikerabbit>	hi Simetrical
[18:10:40] <Simetrical>	Hi.
[18:24:28] <rob__>	hi, anyone knows how I get custom namespaces into default search?
[18:24:43] <rob__>	defining them as ContentNameSpaces is not enough
[18:29:47] <Simetrical>	rob__, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgNamespacesToBeSearchedDefault
[18:36:03] <Simetrical>	Does this change look sane?  http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Manual:$wgNamespacesToBeSearchedDefault&oldid=213006#Making_direct_changes_to_the_MediaWiki_code
[18:40:22] <rob__>	Simetrical: big thanks
[18:43:05] <lch>	hmm
[18:43:07] <lch>	MySQL returned error "1033: Incorrect information in file: './wikidb/job.frm' (localhost)".
[18:43:14] <lch>	what do I do now? :)
[18:43:19] <_mary_kate_>	panic
[18:43:24] <_mary_kate_>	then check the mysql error log
[18:43:26] <lch>	okay, and after that
[18:44:36] <Simetrical>	Why does Special:Code fetch the diff asynchronously using Ajax or something, instead of returning it in the page's actual HTML?
[18:48:02] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) AntiSpoof should run checks at the global level - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15841  +comment (10soxred93)
[18:48:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Anti-spoof should work for SULs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15545  +comment (10soxred93)
[18:50:05] <MC8|sftp>	Hi, could I have some help with localsettings.php, please?
[18:50:43] <MC8|sftp>	I have these four lines in my LocalSettings.php:
[18:50:46] <MC8|sftp>	if( $wikisite == "dusti" ) {
[18:50:46] <MC8|sftp>		$wgAddGroups['founder'] = array( 'custodian', 'checkuser', 'bureaucrat', 'sysop', 'founder', 'bot', 'oversight');
[18:50:46] <MC8|sftp>		$wgRemoveGroups['founder'] = array( 'founder', 'custodian', 'sysop', 'bureaucrat', 'checkuser', 'oversight', 'bot');
[18:50:46] <MC8|sftp>		$wgRemoveGroups['custodian'] = array( 'bureaucrat', 'sysop', 'checkuser', 'rollback', 'oversight');
[18:50:46] <MC8|sftp>	}
[18:51:00] <Simetrical>	That's five lines.
[18:51:08] <MC8|sftp>	but custodian doesn't work
[18:51:12] <MC8|sftp>	Simetrical: It is?
[18:51:15] <MC8|sftp>	oops.
[18:51:21] *MC8|sftp 	can't count
[18:51:23] <Simetrical>	Well, one of them only contains a closing brace.
[18:51:45] <Simetrical>	Anyway, is 'custodian' in the $wgGroupPermissions array?
[18:51:54] <Simetrical>	We might magically fail to detect its existence if it's not.
[18:52:04] <MC8|sftp>	No.
[18:53:49] <Simetrical>	Try defining it there.
[18:54:00] <MC8|sftp>	And so I should add this above the }:
[18:54:01] <MC8|sftp>		$wgGroupPermissions['custodian'] = array('autoconfirmed');
[18:54:30] <MC8|sftp>	Yes, great. Thanks.
[18:55:03] <Simetrical>	Or just do = array();
[18:55:11] <Simetrical>	I don't think what you wrote actually does anything.
[18:55:12] <CIA-6>	03siebrand * r42226 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesSu.php: Localisation updates. Fix syntax error.
[18:55:20] <Simetrical>	Er, anything different from array(), I mean.
[18:55:36] <MC8|sftp>	oh well, it doesn't really matter...
[18:55:39] <MC8|sftp>	thanks
[18:56:45] *Simetrical 	goes to fix for 1.14
[19:00:15] <Simetrical>	Hmm, actually, does it make any sense to fix this?  Probably not.  You would have gotten errors everywhere as things tried to access nonexistent $wgGroupPermissions entries.
[19:00:20] <Simetrical>	(or at least notices)
[19:00:26] *Simetrical 	adds a comment to User::getAllGroups instead)
[19:11:20] <Nikerabbit>	oh
[19:11:25] *Nikerabbit 	was living monday already
[19:11:35] <brion-away>	damn you and your future timezones
[19:12:07] <Reedy>	Is every monday bug monday?
[19:13:12] <brion-away>	yes!
[19:13:26] <Skizzerz>	Reedy: no, the fifth monday in february is not
[19:13:45] <Skizzerz>	:)
[19:13:50] <Reedy>	Thought as much ;)
[19:14:24] *Reedy 	questions brion's awayness :P
[19:16:21] <Nikerabbit>	he's is relatively away from most of us
[19:16:24] <MC8|sftp>	What's 'editinterface'?
[19:16:57] <amidaniel>	MC8|sftp: Right that allows you to edit pages in the MediaWiki namespace.
[19:17:21] <Simetrical>	MC8|sftp, the right to edit things in the MediaWiki: namespace.
[19:17:29] *Simetrical 	missed that amidaniel answered
[19:17:41] <amidaniel>	Haha, beat you :P
[19:17:41] <MC8|sftp>	oh
[19:17:59] <MattJohnston>	IS bug monday bug finding monday or bug fixing monday?
[19:18:21] <Nikerabbit>	creating new bugs monday
[19:18:47] <amidaniel>	heh
[19:22:29] <Simetrical>	brion-away, reading up on some more of the fallout from the /. revelation that Wikipedia uses Ubuntu: have you ever actually used Canonical's support?
[19:26:33] <brion-away>	Simetrical: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Ubuntu_migration_FAQ :)
[19:27:07] *Simetrical 	posts a link to that in the comments for the new LWN article on Fedora LTS
[19:28:08] <brion-away>	++
[19:28:25] <brion-away>	is that available to non-subscribers yet?
[19:29:06] *brion-away 	thinks it's kind of silly he can't comment on secret articles about his site while LWN subscribers can comment away without knowing what they're talking about ;)
[19:29:14] <Simetrical>	brion-away, no, it's not.
[19:29:22] <brion-away>	still s3kr1t, sigh :P
[19:29:29] *Simetrical 	bought a "poor hacker" or whatever subscription a while back
[19:32:04] <Simetrical>	brion-away, gmaxwell has also responded to one post.  ("Could this be related to the Fedora/RHEL security breach, and the subsequent clam-up?" "No.")
[19:32:46] <brion-away>	:)
[19:34:36] <juliano>	Simetrical: Heh... comparing the "Fedora security breach" (that we have yet to see any practical consequences) to the Debian OpenSSL patch fiasco (that caused a lot of pain to thousands of Debian and Ubuntu users), the argument turns the other way around.
[19:34:57] <Simetrical>	juliano, yes, that was a flabbergasting screwup on Debian's part.
[19:35:08] <Simetrical>	The *really* depressing part was the people defending Debian.
[19:35:24] <_mary_kate_>	yeah, it's not like debian asked the openssl people whether it was a good idea oh wait they did
[19:35:34] <Simetrical>	"Oh, let's screw around with code when we obviously have no idea what we're doing and not make any serious effort to get upstream to look at the patch."
[19:35:54] <juliano>	Yes... also, the two times the Debian FTP server was compromised, and they did *nothing* to investigate the causes...
[19:35:54] <Simetrical>	_mary_kate_, they asked if it was a good idea, a couple of people glanced at it and made some general comments.
[19:35:56] <Simetrical>	That's kind of different from getting actual review.
[19:36:12] <Simetrical>	It would be like someone posting to wikitech-l and getting a couple of positive remarks and assuming the patch must be fine.
[19:36:21] <siebrand>	anyone who knows what phase3\maintenance\apache-ampersand.diff could be for? Appears to be *really really* old, and probably useless...
[19:36:23] <Simetrical>	People have to actually, like, apply and test the patch.
[19:36:41] <_mary_kate_>	siebrand: it adds a feature to apache 1.3 mod_rewrite required for short urls to work properly
[19:37:14] <Simetrical>	Unless upstream is totally unresponsive, distros shouldn't be modifying packages except to the degree absolutely required for them to work and integrate into the distro.  Especially not security-critical ones.
[19:37:43] <siebrand>	_mary_kate_: hmm, for 1.3.26. Current is 1.3.41, and so people still use 1.3.x? :)
[19:37:47] <siebrand>	s/so/do
[19:38:51] <_mary_kate_>	well, we migrated to 2.2 a few months ago, probably no one other than us used this patch
[19:38:58] <_mary_kate_>	(from 1.3)
[19:41:30] <brion-away>	debian sux you should use gentoo
[19:41:36] <brion-away>	gentoo is faster because it doesn't use binaries
[19:41:37] *Simetrical 	tries to figure out what patches Debian has made to the MediaWiki source, and fails
[19:41:41] <_mary_kate_>	linux sucks, you should use solaris
[19:41:55] <Simetrical>	OS X Server!!!
[19:41:58] <_mary_kate_>	or use flying parchment linux
[19:43:37] <fm>	how do i lock a page in mediawiki, i.e. only logged in users should edit it ...?
[19:43:47] <Simetrical>	!protect | fm 
[19:43:47] --mwbot--	fm: You can protect pages to prevent them from being edited by certain user groups. When a page is deleted its' protection is retained. Also you can protect nonexistant pages since 1.12. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Administrators#Protections>
[20:09:47] *Simetrical 	fixmes a revision that's been live for a few months and has no actual substantive effects, only stylistic problems
[20:09:47] *Simetrical 	wonders if this is correct use of fixme
[20:20:39] <brion-away>	Simetrical: if it needs fixin' sure :)
[20:20:43] <Baryca>	hi
[20:21:07] <Baryca>	i would like to stat  cinema encyclopedia
[20:21:34] <Baryca>	can someone provide me some resources about using template?
[20:21:44] <Baryca>	s*
[20:24:04] <Duesentrieb_>	!templates | Baryca
[20:24:04] --mwbot--	Baryca: For more information about templates, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates>. The most common issues with templates copied from Wikipedia can be fixed by installing ParserFunctions <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions> and enabling HTML Tidy <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUseTidy>.
[20:24:21] <Duesentrieb_>	!wikia | Baryca
[20:24:21] --mwbot--	Baryca: I don't know anything about "wikia".
[20:24:25] <Duesentrieb_>	oh? wtf?
[20:24:55] <mohbana>	hi
[20:25:04] <mohbana>	where the CNFG of mediawiki?
[20:28:33] <Laaknor>	CNFG?
[20:29:09] <Duesentrieb_>	!config | mohbana
[20:29:09] --mwbot--	mohbana: All configuration is done in LocalSettings.php (near the end of the file). Editing other files means modifying the software. Default settings are not in LocalSettings.php, you can look in DefaultSettings.php. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_MediaWiki>, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:LocalSettings.php>, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Config_script>, and <http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf>
[20:29:49] <mohbana>	no the grammar
[20:29:56] <mohbana>	CFG
[20:30:02] <mohbana>	my mistake, sorry
[20:30:03] <Duesentrieb_>	o_O
[20:30:11] <Duesentrieb_>	grammar? cfg?
[20:31:08] <Duesentrieb_>	!wikia http://wikia.com is a site that hosts free content community wikis.  
[20:31:08] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "wikia".
[20:31:12] <Duesentrieb_>	!wikia is http://wikia.com is a site that hosts free content community wikis.  
[20:31:12] --mwbot--	Successfully added keyword: wikia
[20:31:15] <Duesentrieb_>	bah
[20:32:59] <Duesentrieb_>	mohbana: oh, i see. well, since the  wikitext grammar is not context free, there's no CFG, per definition :) In fact, tehre's no formal specification at all. Which is parly doe to the fact that the parser sucks, and partly to the ability of extensions to add syntax features.
[20:33:03] <Duesentrieb_>	!syntax | mohbana
[20:33:03] --mwbot--	mohbana: For help with MediaWiki's Wikitext syntax, please see <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Editing>. For an (incomplete) formal specification, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Markup_spec>.
[20:34:46] <chuck>	How do I make it so that only one group can view the entire wiki?
[20:34:57] <MattJohnston>	Yay :) I finally got the (Terribly documented, btw, which I have to fix) $wgConf working on my farm :)
[20:35:06] <Skizzerz>	chuck: $wgGroupPermissions
[20:35:11] <MattJohnston>	!access | chuck
[20:35:11] --mwbot--	chuck: For information on customizing user access, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights>. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access>.
[20:35:11] <Skizzerz>	:)
[20:35:50] <Duesentrieb_>	anyway... wtf happened to wikia? i didn't recognize the site any more
[20:35:59] <Duesentrieb_>	and i was not able to find info about how to start your own wiki
[20:37:59] <MattJohnston>	DUesentrieb_: http://requests.wikia.com/wiki/Special:RequestWiki
[20:38:09] <MattJohnston>	Much  less automated proces than it used to be I think
[20:38:58] <Duesentrieb_>	MattJohnston: hm, I see. how would I find that from the front page?
[20:49:54] <chuck>	I can't figure out how to make it so that only people in the steward group can read/edit pages >_<
[20:50:08] <Duesentrieb_>	!rights | chuck
[20:50:08] --mwbot--	chuck: For information on customizing user access, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights >. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access >.
[20:50:29] <Duesentrieb_>	chuck: but if only stewards can even *read*, what point is there to even have the other groups?
[20:50:33] <Duesentrieb_>	or a wiki at all, for that matter?
[20:50:41] <chuck>	Duesentrieb_: It's a wiki family.
[20:50:48] <Duesentrieb_>	so?
[20:50:49] <chuck>	I want to have a wiki where only stewards can read.
[20:51:21] <Duesentrieb_>	oh, shared accounts. uh... but user groups are not shared between projects. except stewards  i guess? hm, confused :)
[20:51:44] <Pathoschild>	chuck: It's easy; just set the read right to false for all users, then true for stewards. See the first page mwbot linked to.
[20:51:58] <chuck>	Duesentrieb_:         $wgSharedTables[] = 'user_groups';
[20:53:34] <Duesentrieb_>	that would mean *no* local groups. a bit scary. but it's your site :)
[20:54:28] <chuck>	Duesentrieb_: Why is it scary...
[20:54:38] <chuck>	Pathoschild: Well these are my current settings, and I can't access anything: http://pastie.org/295853
[20:54:47] <Duesentrieb_>	because you can't have local admins.
[20:55:02] <Duesentrieb_>	any admin on any wiki is an admin on all wikis.
[20:55:22] <Duesentrieb_>	since different wikis have different communities, that generally doesn't make sense.
[20:55:36] <chuck>	Duesentrieb_: Just assume that I know what I'm doing, I have a if( $wikisite == "stewards" ) { # that stuff } around it
[20:55:44] <chuck>	*an
[20:56:30] <Duesentrieb_>	*shrug*
[20:56:35] <Duesentrieb_>	whatever floats your site, or something :)
[20:56:51] <Pathoschild>	chuck: That should work. Make sure the group is really called "steward" (and not "Steward" or "stewards" or some such minor difference), and that it applies on that wiki (check Special:Listusers).
[20:57:07] <chuck>	Okay
[20:57:45] <chuck>	Pathoschild: By the way, when I comment out the ['user']['read'] = false; line, I can read the pages and anonymous users can't, but registered users can which is strange, even though I made it so stewards can read further down
[20:58:33] <chuck>	Yeah it's telling me that I'm a Steward
[20:58:53] <Pathoschild>	Try correcting the capitalization in your settings.
[20:59:06] <chuck>	And I know that the permission is called steward because it's what I'm using in all the other GroupPermission varables which are working.
[20:59:12] <chuck>	Oh I see
[20:59:14] <Simetrical>	chuck, are you sure the users aren't also sysops or other groups that may be separately granted read permissions?
[20:59:22] <chuck>	It's because the array is being redefined later on in the config file
[20:59:35] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) traceback on "Mark all as read" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16041 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (jt)
[20:59:47] *Pathoschild 	wanders off.
[21:18:35] <^demon>	Skizzers: Have you seen the comments on r41710 on CodeReview?
[21:18:50] <^demon>	(and by extension: r41978)
[21:20:48] <CIA-58>	03aaron * r42229 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Tweak message
[21:24:16] <sphenxes>	{| | A | B|- | C| D|}, that is a simple table. I would like to build a template from this table (i have tried adding {{ }}) but it doesn't work? I have read that i must praise | lines, how can I do it? any suggestions
[21:25:10] <Skizzerz>	^demon|dinner: replied
[21:28:02] <Platonides>	sphenxes, replace the | with {{!}}
[21:28:37] <sphenxes>	Platonides, thanks 
[21:30:03] <Platonides>	you're welcome
[22:18:05] <CIA-58>	03siebrand * r42230 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (124 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-10-19 23:40 CEST)
[22:19:03] <mohbana>	hi, i'm writing a parser, is it '' or "? were the latter is double quotes (above 2)
[22:19:41] <Skizzerz>	if you're making your own parser, it can be whatever you want
[22:19:57] <Skizzerz>	the markup for italics in the default wiki parser is two single quotes though
[22:20:08] <mohbana>	ok thanks
[22:20:39] <Bomfunk[i]>	what extension I need to get worked <categorytree> ?
[22:20:40] <CIA-58>	03siebrand * r42231 10/trunk/extensions/ (46 files in 43 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-10-19 23:40 CEST)
[22:20:58] <Skizzerz>	!e CategoryTree | Bomfunk[i]
[22:20:58] --mwbot--	Bomfunk[i]: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CategoryTree
[22:21:35] <Bomfunk[i]>	ah, it was so easy to guess :/
[22:21:35] <Bomfunk[i]>	thanks
[22:48:13] <mohbana>	do # Bullet list and * numbered have to begin on a new line?
[22:49:06] <mohbana>	and is the space after it required i.e., '#one' instead of '# one'
[22:49:32] <Reedy>	the space isnt required
[22:50:43] <Reedy>	but they need to be on new lines
[22:51:01] <Reedy>	mohbana, ^
[22:51:05] <mohbana>	thanks
[22:53:24] <mohbana>	and do links have to start with http:/?
[22:53:43] <_mary_kate_>	are you going to learn the entire syntax by asking questions on irc?  just try editing a page
[22:55:47] <Reedy>	:D
[22:57:10] <mohbana>	what language is the the official parser written in?
[22:58:07] <Simetrical>	mohbana, PHP.
[22:58:14] <Simetrical>	includes/parser/*.php in the source.
[23:08:35] <CIA-58>	03brion * r42232 10/trunk/phase3/includes/WatchlistEditor.php: 
[23:08:41] <CIA-58>	Backing out r42128 for now "added 'UnwatchArticle', 'WatchArticle' and 'WatchArticleComplete' in response to code review of rev 42109"
[23:08:57] <CIA-58>	Article::newFromId() does an individual id->title lookup in the database, making this potentially very expensive -- we could run thousands of queries in a row.
[23:22:41] <CIA-58>	03brion * r42233 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/ (CodeRepository.php CodeRevisionAuthorLink.php): 
[23:22:41] <CIA-58>	Cleanup r42130 and later revs:
[23:22:41] <CIA-58>	* rename user linking functions to something clear
[23:22:41] <CIA-58>	* fix totally broken user link cache thingy to at least not cause a fatal error
[23:37:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Fatal error when viewing Special: GlobalBlocklist with a block in it - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16040  +comment (10mattj)
[23:38:53] <CIA-58>	03brion * r42234 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/ (CodeReview.i18n.php CodeTagListView.php): Revert r42155, r42163 and friends -- doesn't do anything. Seems to confuse status with tags, and isn't clear what it's meant for anyway?
[23:48:40] <brion-away>	ugh, who broke the protection form?
[23:48:51] <brion-away>	i get "expiry time is invalid" when i unlock move permissions
[23:48:58] <Soxred>	Here's a question, why is ExtensionFunctions.php not included in the extension folder?
[23:50:11] <Soxred>	brion-away, that's what Special:Code is for
[23:50:34] <Soxred>	Oh wait, never mind
[23:50:37] <Soxred>	*facepalm*
[23:50:54] <MattJohnston>	Soxred: The extensions folder is for extensions, not extension-related classes.
[23:51:25] <Soxred>	But in order to install extensions, that file is needed
[23:51:58] <MattJohnston>	Maybe there should be a better place for it :)
[23:52:01] <Soxred>	brion-away, it's either Mr. Z-man or siebrand
[23:52:59] <siebrand>	protection form? Me? Where?
[23:53:19] <MattJohnston>	Soxred: According to the wiki, its a useless file that shouldnt probably be used anyway.
[23:53:38] <Simetrical>	Yeah, I thought ExtensionFunctions.php was evil
[23:53:39] <Simetrical>	.
[23:53:43] <Soxred>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/ProtectionForm.php?view=log
[23:54:02] *Soxred 	wonders why Manual:Extensions says to add it
[23:54:13] <MattJohnston>	Soxred: Very old documentation
[23:54:25] *Soxred 	kicks mediawiki.org
[23:54:29] <siebrand>	Soxred: hmm, I got compliments from brion on r41774, IIRC.
[23:54:32] <MattJohnston>	I'll fix it :)
[23:54:43] <Soxred>	Must be zman
[23:55:08] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Provide more detailed information in the protected page notice - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6179  +comment (10brion)
[23:58:12] <siebrand>	zzz...
[23:58:28] <MattJohnston>	I love our great TODO messages, there's an interesting one that shows up in the auto-generated docs that says "TODO: Runs too fast" (or something like that)
[23:59:53] <CIA-58>	03brion * r42236 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (AutoLoader.php RecentChange.php UDP.php): 
[23:59:53] <CIA-58>	Back out r42182 for now "Move UDP stuff to new UDP class"
[23:59:53] <CIA-58>	UDP isn't a very clear name for this, especially since we use UDP protocols for multiple different things!
[23:59:53] <CIA-58>	This class should probably be genericized a bit for _change notifications_, which there might be multiple backend implementations for, including the UDP->IRC bot gateway.