[00:00:22] <chuck>	werdnus: That zip line thing is awesome! :D
[00:01:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) JA | Translation rivisions - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16086  (10nkomura)
[00:01:26] <Alexfusco5>	Simetrical: o.o
[00:01:58] <chuck>	That's stupid that the city made them take it down, Google provides wireless internet *for free* to everyone in the city
[00:02:04] <werdnus>	Simetrical: you use git?
[00:02:09] <Simetrical>	werdnus, yes.
[00:02:38] <werdnus>	Simetrical: what for?
[00:02:40] <Simetrical>	werdnus, for MediaWiki development.  Also for everything on my server: http://www.twcenter.net/gitweb/gitweb.cgi
[00:02:49] <Simetrical>	(yes, I put most of /etc on the web, I am insane!)
[00:03:27] <werdnus>	I have this vague idea that it looks like a good distributed storage system
[00:03:27] <werdnus>	but I don't actually know anything about git
[00:03:28] <Simetrical>	It's neat.  Lots of random clever things.
[00:03:39] <Simetrical>	And a couple of slightly insane things, but nothing is perfect.
[00:04:31] <chuck>	oh my god, Google Earth for iPhone!!!! :D
[00:04:32] <Simetrical>	And it even works on Windows now, or so I've heard.
[00:04:32] <Simetrical>	(not that it affects me directly)
[00:04:33] *chuck 	bets that it sucks, the iPhone isn't powerful enough to handle that 
[00:04:34] <werdnus>	Simetrical: yeah, but what does it *do*, and how do I set it up for fun and profit?
[00:05:48] <Simetrical>	werdnus, sudo apt-get install git-core; cd mydir; git init; start using
[00:06:29] <Simetrical>	werdnus, http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/user-manual.html
[00:06:29] <werdnus>	I have this idea that it might have stopped me losing a bunch of config for my wikis a few weeks ago because an ex-employee of my host ran dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda
[00:07:23] <werdnus>	Simetrical: What does git have in the way of access control?
[00:07:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) JA | revisions - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15973  (10nkomura)
[00:07:45] <Simetrical>	werdnus, it's a revision control system.  What kind of access control would you expect?
[00:08:21] <CIA-59>	03soxred93 * r42703 10/trunk/extensions/InputBox/InputBox.classes.php: (bug 13262) Add preloadtitle option to InputBox, allowing users to specify the title of the sectionin the text field.
[00:08:56] <werdnus>	Simetrical: Well, I've got some folders in my home directory that I'd like to make public, but there are password files and so on that I'd still like to store in git, but that I don't want publicly accessible.
[00:09:13] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) New Talk Page Option - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13262  +comment (10soxred93)
[00:10:18] <Simetrical>	werdnus, ordinarily, all the info is stored in a single .git subdirectory in the base of the versioned directory.  That obeys normal filesystem permissions.  If you run something like git-daemon or gitweb, that has its own configuration.
[00:10:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Anchor for refereces not shown - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16152  (10bugzilla.wikimedia)
[00:11:14] <Simetrical>	It's like SVN if you want to publish the repos.  If you don't want to, then it just sits in your directories.  Most of my git repos aren't published (only those two I linked to, really).
[00:12:08] <werdnus>	Simetrical: Hmmm, would git-daemon or gitweb be able to reject requests for certain files/directories?
[00:12:40] <Simetrical>	werdnus, you could just not add those to the repo, or add them to a different repo.
[00:12:50] <werdnus>	hm
[00:12:54] <Simetrical>	My published /etc doesn't include things like shadow.
[00:13:17] <Simetrical>	Of course, you can't have two repos in the same directory, you'd have to use symlinks or something if you wanted to version them separately.
[00:14:14] <werdnus>	hmm
[00:14:19] <werdnus>	I'll have a play with it later
[00:14:26] <CIA-59>	03siebrand * r42704 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEu.php: Localisation updates special page aliases from Betawiki.
[00:14:26] <werdnus>	right now, I said to myself I'd start on my math an hour ago.
[00:14:33] <werdnus>	and I still haven't yet.. so I'd better go do that.
[00:14:41] <Simetrical>	What math are you doing?
[00:14:42] <werdnus>	(this is the less evil math exam, so I'm not too stressed)
[00:14:55] <werdnus>	Well, I had Extension II yesterday, and tomorrow is the companion Extension I exam.
[00:15:05] <Simetrical>	Which means?
[00:15:17] <werdnus>	that's a level, not a topic.
[00:15:25] <Skizzerz>	what does it encompass?
[00:15:37] <werdnus>	extension I is...
[00:18:17] <werdnus>	some basic inequalities (4/(x+1)<3 and such), some basic integration (some substitution, algebraic transformations to make standard integrals), trigonometry, differentiation of course, circle geometry, probability, polynomials, mathematical induction, parametrics, some mechanics (projectile, simple harmonic motion with calculus), inverse functions
[00:18:37] <Simetrical>	"Basic inequalities" doesn't seem to fit on that list.
[00:18:57] <MinuteElectron>	what benefits does git have over subversion in general?
[00:19:11] <werdnus>	MinuteElectron: better support for branching, decentralised, ...
[00:19:52] <MinuteElectron>	hmm, this decentralised thing sounds like it might take up a lot of space - but also be good as a distributed backups
[00:20:00] <MinuteElectron>	am i correct?
[00:20:06] <Simetrical>	MinuteElectron, mainly the same as any DVCS.  Branching and maintaining patches is way easier.  Many operations are faster because the full revision history is stored locally.  Etc.
[00:20:39] <MinuteElectron>	i see, never used a dvcs before - only just starting to use vcs' in general for my personal stuff
[00:20:48] <Simetrical>	MinuteElectron, no.  It doesn't take up much of any extra space in typical cases (for source code).  It's compressed appropriately, so it's not much larger than just storing the current version of the files.
[00:20:59] <MinuteElectron>	oh, ok
[00:21:30] <Simetrical>	MinuteElectron, IMO, DVCSes are good for personal stuff.  Publishing your repo is optional.  You can just type "git init" to make a new repo and start checking stuff in locally, without having to set up a server separately.
[00:21:42] <Simetrical>	You can later set a server to serve that repo, of course, if you like.
[00:22:01] *werdnus 	heads off
[00:22:54] <MinuteElectron>	hmm
[00:23:39] <CIA-59>	03simetrical * r42705 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Linker.php: Forgot profiling for last commit
[00:30:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Timeline images either generated without text or even not at all. Sometimes also no map areas as well. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16085  +comment (10hcp)
[00:44:08] <CIA-59>	03simetrical * r42706 10/trunk/extensions/Drafts/Drafts.hooks.php: 
[00:44:08] <CIA-59>	Fix typo, lanuguage -> language
[00:44:08] <CIA-59>	Good thing browsers totally ignore this attribute anyway. :D It's
[00:44:08] <CIA-59>	deprecated according to HTML 4, so maybe it should just be dropped?
[00:49:50] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Drafts should use core mechanism for configuring accesskeys - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16153 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Drafts; (Simetrical+wikibugs)
[00:57:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New magic word for missing images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16138  (10stanley)
[01:38:58] <RingtailedFox>	hiya. when i try to create a template of any sort, i get weird errors, such as these: http://wiki.mobianlegends.com/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_Battle
[01:42:06] <MattJohnston>	RingtailedFox: You're missing other templates that that template uses, e.g. Template:WPMILHIST (i'm guessing from that you copied from enwiki)
[01:42:28] <MattJohnston>	Sorry, thats Template:WPMILHIST Infobox style
[01:43:27] <MattJohnston>	RingtailedFox: The other issue being that it is in <includeonly> tags, meanning it wont show up on that page but will if you use the template in something else
[01:45:15] <RingtailedFox>	i see
[01:45:26] <RingtailedFox>	if i copy all necessary stuff from en.wikipedia.org, will it work?
[01:49:44] <CIA-59>	03dale * r42707 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (12 files in 8 dirs): 
[01:49:44] <CIA-59>	sequence menu item updates
[01:49:44] <CIA-59>	removed references to mv_data_proxy (mv_embed)
[01:49:44] <CIA-59>	updated sample page
[01:50:38] <RingtailedFox>	or, will it simply ask for more and more pages, without giving any results?
[01:52:42] <MrZ-man>	RingtailedFox: you'll probably need to copy some classes from MediaWiki:Common.css and/or Monobook.css on en.wikipedia
[01:53:02] <RingtailedFox>	alrighty
[01:53:04] <_mary_kate_>	if you're copying templates from WP, make sure you install Parserfunctions extension
[01:53:08] <_mary_kate_>	nearly all wikipedia templates use that
[01:53:10] <RingtailedFox>	it's already installed :)
[01:54:21] <RingtailedFox>	would copying the whole of MediaWiki:Commons.css suffice?
[01:56:28] <CIA-59>	03mrzman * r42708 10/trunk/extensions/InputBox/InputBox.classes.php: 
[01:56:28] <CIA-59>	*Fix some variable typos
[01:56:28] <CIA-59>	*Use <label>s with the search namespace checkboxes
[01:56:28] <CIA-59>	*Remove extra htmlspecialchars(), XML::element() does this for us.
[01:57:39] <MrZ-man>	RingtailedFox: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css and it looks like there's some infobox stuff in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Monobook.css as well
[01:57:56] <RingtailedFox>	alrighty
[01:58:22] <RingtailedFox>	creating Mediawiki:Common.css on my server
[01:58:35] <MrZ-man>	!templates
[01:58:35] --mwbot--	For more information about templates, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates>. The most common issues with templates copied from Wikipedia can be fixed by installing ParserFunctions <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions> and enabling HTML Tidy <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUseTidy>.
[01:59:20] <MrZ-man>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Stealing_content_from_Wikipedia
[02:00:12] <RingtailedFox>	i'm only stealing the template information, and i will credit wikipedia in full. :)
[02:00:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Long titles cause incorrect display in RC->IRC feeds - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4253  (10b-jorsch)
[02:02:00] <RingtailedFox>	as well, how do i shorten things so i can use wiki.mobianlegends.com/wiki/Article_Name?
[02:02:30] <MrZ-man>	!shorturl | RingtailedFox
[02:02:30] --mwbot--	RingtailedFox: To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL>. There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem
[02:03:24] <RingtailedFox>	thank you for the links
[02:03:26] <RingtailedFox>	i could not find them before
[02:06:51] <CIA-59>	03mrzman * r42709 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.body.php: E_STRICT
[02:08:29] <RingtailedFox>	ok, on my website, i have installed my wiki stuff in /home1/mobianle/public_html/wiki/ 
[02:08:53] <RingtailedFox>	will that cause problems if i re-name it "~/public_html/w/" and edit a .htaccess file accordingly?
[02:10:41] <_mary_kate_>	make sure you don't have /wiki hardcoded in LocalSettings.php
[02:10:50] <_mary_kate_>	otherwise should be no problem
[02:11:23] <RingtailedFox>	hardcoded?
[02:14:21] <RingtailedFox>	i don't think it's coded in there
[02:17:00] <Dantman>	 $wgScriptPath
[02:17:05] <Dantman>	You'll have to change it
[02:17:25] <RingtailedFox>	i thought i simply had to change /wiki/ to /w/
[02:18:13] *Dantman 	wondeers if LocalSettings.php should use $wgScriptPath = dirname(__FILE__); by default...
[02:18:16] <Dantman>	wonders*
[02:18:26] <Dantman>	Nowait...
[02:18:27] <Dantman>	n/m
[02:18:53] <RingtailedFox>	right now, i changed /wiki/ to /w/
[02:19:00] <RingtailedFox>	and i'm now editing LocalSettings.php
[02:19:21] <RingtailedFox>	$wgScriptPath = "/w";         # Path to the actual files (right part of first rewrite rule). Should already be there <br> $wgArticlePath = "/wiki/$1";  # Virtual path (left part of first rewrite rule). MUST be DIFFERENT from the path above! <br> $wgUsePathInfo = true;
[02:19:26] <RingtailedFox>	should i change any of that?
[02:19:52] <RingtailedFox>	see, my system reroutes /public_html/<foldername> as <foldername>.mysite.com
[02:19:59] <_mary_kate_>	you need to change $wgArticlePath unless /wiki will somehow work even though the wiki is in /w (e.g. with short URLs)
[02:20:43] <RingtailedFox>	i thought it said it must be different
[02:21:11] <RingtailedFox>	what should i change it to?
[02:21:36] <_mary_kate_>	which 'it' said that?
[02:22:15] <RingtailedFox>	the tutorial from mediawiki
[02:22:20] <RingtailedFox>	"Manual:Short_URL"
[02:22:21] <_mary_kate_>	which one?
[02:22:39] <_mary_kate_>	read what i said more carefully... you need to change it *unless* /wiki will work even though the wiki is in /w
[02:22:47] <RingtailedFox>	ok
[02:22:52] <aib>	is there anyway to gain access to the defined parameters names of a particular template?
[02:24:36] <RingtailedFox>	well, that was a major failure...gave me HTTP 500
[02:24:46] <RingtailedFox>	reverting everything
[02:25:09] <chuck>	Is there any way to get rid of the "LoadBalancer" stuff in MediaWiki if we're not using a LoadBalancer?
[02:26:21] <chuck>	It seems to be hogging up a lot of the request time
[02:26:57] <_mary_kate_>	if it is, something is wrong with your wiki
[02:27:27] <RingtailedFox>	i installed it the way the readme said to
[02:27:31] <chuck>	LoadBalancer::getConnection                                                     16       531.623        33.226        66.375%    756893  (        0.005 -      531.41
[02:27:32] <chuck>	9) [23]
[02:27:32] <chuck>	LoadBalancer::openConnection                                                    16       531.438        33.215        66.352%    757590  (        0.001 -      531.40
[02:27:32] <chuck>	3) [7]
[02:29:22] <RingtailedFox>	are trunk downloads recommended?
[02:29:29] <RingtailedFox>	or should i go with older version?
[02:29:30] <RingtailedFox>	*versions?
[02:29:57] <aib>	given that the software is used on mediawiki.org it's generally fine to use the trunk
[02:29:57] <chuck>	RingtailedFox: /trunk downloads are technically recommended
[02:30:05] <aib>	erm, wikipedia.org:)
[02:30:38] <RingtailedFox>	ok
[02:30:39] <aib>	more importantly
[02:30:39] <chuck>	RingtailedFox: /trunk is run on Wikipedia, and all of its sister wikimedia.org projects, so it should be safe :P
[02:30:39] <RingtailedFox>	then i've been getting the right ones
[02:30:40] <RingtailedFox>	i thought it was a nightly snapshot and considered highly unstable
[02:30:52] <chuck>	_mary_kate_: any idea why the loadbalancing is taking a while?
[02:31:08] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Moved page protection should be attributed to the last admin to protect the "old" page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16154 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Page protection; (mikelifeguard)
[02:31:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make a different protect log message when moving a protection - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15754  (10mikelifeguard)
[02:31:40] <_mary_kate_>	while certain versions of trunk are run on wikipedia, that doesn't mean every version will be suitable
[02:31:59] <_mary_kate_>	in fact, it's often very broken until someone reviews changes and reverts them
[02:33:08] <CIA-59>	03mrzman * r42710 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Linker.php: Fix profiling
[02:34:05] <Dantman>	Latest stable is recommended for core
[02:34:15] <Dantman>	trunk is recommended for 99% of extensions
[02:34:22] <chuck>	_mary_kate_: I run trunk on yourwiki.net and testwiki.unixpod.com and we never have had problems :P
[02:35:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Long titles cause incorrect display in RC->IRC feeds - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4253  (10nospam)
[02:35:59] <Dantman>	agh... why can't svn ignore the extensions folder like I tell it to
[02:39:12] <CIA-59>	03mrzman * r42711 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/RecentChange.php): partial revert of r42695, don't trim the comment
[02:40:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Long titles cause incorrect display in RC->IRC feeds - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4253  (10mrzmanwiki)
[02:41:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Long titles cause incorrect display in RC->IRC feeds - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4253  (10mikelifeguard)
[02:41:58] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) <nowiki> block transferred to HTML when <nowiki> in template - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16034  (10krimpet)
[02:56:43] <RingtailedFox>	would anyone be willing to help me out or walk me through altering my wiki installation so i have shorter URLs?
[02:56:50] <RingtailedFox>	i think i may have screwed up something last time :P
[02:57:41] <Pathoschild>	It's an easy task to screw up. Which method did you use, and what happened?
[02:58:00] <RingtailedFox>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/wiki/Page_title_--_no_root_access
[02:58:03] <RingtailedFox>	that is the one
[02:58:24] <RingtailedFox>	my wiki installation is currently ~/public_html/wiki/
[02:58:57] <Pathoschild>	Is it public?
[02:59:02] <RingtailedFox>	yes
[02:59:08] <Pathoschild>	Could you link to it?
[02:59:14] <RingtailedFox>	of course!
[02:59:18] <RingtailedFox>	http://wiki.mobianlegends.com
[02:59:28] <RingtailedFox>	as soon as i get it set up, it's going to turn into a sonic and tails-themed wiki site
[03:00:01] <RingtailedFox>	my website has a configuration that allows me to create subdomains (such as wiki.mobianlegends.com) by using /public_html/<foldername>/
[03:01:28] <Pathoschild>	I think you want one of these methods: < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL#URL_like_-_wiki.example.com.2FPage_title >
[03:02:00] <_mary_kate_>	rewriting into the root is frowned upon, easy to screw up and breaks easily
[03:02:06] <_mary_kate_>	you should avoid doing it
[03:02:21] <Pathoschild>	Yep, as the big red box there says.
[03:03:27] <RingtailedFox>	well, i don't have root access (such as to /)
[03:03:30] <Pathoschild>	You can use http://mobianlegends.com/wiki/ instead (no www); it's just as short, and doesn't have any particular problems.
[03:03:38] <RingtailedFox>	i understand
[03:03:53] <RingtailedFox>	i just thought it would look cooler as wiki.mobianlegends.com/wiki/...
[03:03:59] <RingtailedFox>	but i'm starting to think that may not be possible
[03:04:31] <RingtailedFox>	unless i create a wiki folder within /public_html/wiki/
[03:04:48] <Pathoschild>	It's possible, but not really worth the trouble it will cause you.
[03:05:33] <RingtailedFox>	what type of trouble will i expect? errors all the time?
[03:06:15] <Splarka>	it is the trouble you _can't_ expect that you should avoid
[03:06:41] <Splarka>	like if a new script level php file is added to the software later, like api.php, thumb.php, image auth
[03:06:53] <RingtailedFox>	i see
[03:07:00] <RingtailedFox>	well, my main site is index.php
[03:07:01] <Splarka>	or if you want an article titled [[Index.php]] or [[robots.txt]]
[03:07:03] <Pathoschild>	Some common problems involve conflicts between files and page titles, where a file is treated as a wiki page (and therefore doesn't work), or creating a page that matches a file name has unexpected results.
[03:07:18] <RingtailedFox>	as in, planetmobius.com/index.php
[03:07:33] <Splarka>	sometimes people find subfolders in /images /skins etc can't be rewrote 
[03:07:47] <Splarka>	null article path = not supported here by most sane peoples
[03:07:50] *RingtailedFox 	nods
[03:08:08] <_mary_kate_>	RingtailedFox: wiki.mobianlegends.com/wiki/... will work fine
[03:08:15] <_mary_kate_>	RingtailedFox: that's a basic short url configuration
[03:08:16] <RingtailedFox>	how do i do that then?
[03:08:23] <RingtailedFox>	that's exactly what i want
[03:08:28] <_mary_kate_>	the problem is if you want wiki.mobianlegends.com/Main_Page, that's what people are warning against
[03:08:35] <_mary_kate_>	RingtailedFox: any of the standard short url guides should work
[03:08:38] <RingtailedFox>	ahh no no
[03:08:47] <RingtailedFox>	i want wiki.mobianlegends.com/wiki/Main_Page :P
[03:08:51] <RingtailedFox>	you know, standardized
[03:08:57] <RingtailedFox>	basically, replace en.wikipedia with wiki.mobianlegends
[03:10:06] <RingtailedFox>	how would i go about doing this?
[03:10:18] <_mary_kate_>	RingtailedFox: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/mediawiki/wiki/Manual:Short_URL#Recommended_how-to_guide_.28setup_used_on_Wikipedia.29
[03:10:34] <_mary_kate_>	where it says 'edit httpd.conf', edit .htaccess instead
[03:10:38] <RingtailedFox>	ok
[03:10:43] <_mary_kate_>	something like 'Alias wiki w/index.php' should work
[03:11:25] <RingtailedFox>	now, my stuff is installed to /wiki/. it says i must point it to /w/
[03:11:29] <RingtailedFox>	do i have to move things?
[03:11:43] <_mary_kate_>	yes, the path where the article are (/wiki) needs to not exist on disk
[03:11:51] <_mary_kate_>	so move it first, make sure it works before you do anything else
[03:11:57] <RingtailedFox>	it works right now
[03:12:01] <RingtailedFox>	going to test moving it to /w/
[03:12:02] <_mary_kate_>	in /w ?
[03:12:07] <_mary_kate_>	i mean, move it, then make sure it works
[03:12:11] <RingtailedFox>	ah ok
[03:12:13] <_mary_kate_>	don't move it and set up short urls at the same time
[03:12:48] <RingtailedFox>	eh?
[03:12:52] <RingtailedFox>	i just renamed wiki as w
[03:13:00] <RingtailedFox>	testing w.planetmobius.com
[03:13:05] <RingtailedFox>	*w.mobianlegends.com
[03:13:11] <RingtailedFox>	haven't used THAT old url in what? 6 years? :P
[03:13:45] <RingtailedFox>	yeah, it doesn't work as /w/
[03:13:57] <RingtailedFox>	should i go into cpanel and tell it to redirect mobianlegends.com/w/ to wiki?
[03:14:02] <RingtailedFox>	*wiki.mobianlegends.com?
[03:14:12] <RingtailedFox>	wiki gives an HTTP 500
[03:14:48] <_mary_kate_>	no, don't redirect anything
[03:14:56] <RingtailedFox>	ok
[03:14:56] <_mary_kate_>	paste your localsettings.php (after removing passwords) at rafb.net/paste/
[03:15:26] <RingtailedFox>	doing so
[03:15:32] <RingtailedFox>	come on, bluefish... open it up...
[03:15:47] <Splarka>	so, did any javascript bugs get fixed today (yesterday for you eastern hemisphericals)?
[03:16:57] <RingtailedFox>	http://rafb.net/p/kBPK9H90.html
[03:18:40] <RingtailedFox>	does everything look normal?
[03:19:22] <_mary_kate_>	try setting $wgScriptPath = "/w"
[03:19:29] <RingtailedFox>	i forgot to put that in. done
[03:19:48] <RingtailedFox>	newp. still a 500 error
[03:20:11] <RingtailedFox>	i think it's treating /public_html/w/ as mobianlegends.com/w/ instead of a subdirectory
[03:20:13] <RingtailedFox>	*subdomain
[03:20:46] <RingtailedFox>	well, mobianlegends.com/w/ redirects to mobianlegends.com/w/MainPage...
[03:20:51] <RingtailedFox>	half the battle's done right there.
[03:21:13] <RingtailedFox>	and drupal complains about a 404. well, that piece of garbage's getting blammed right off the serer :P
[03:21:15] <RingtailedFox>	*server :P
[03:23:27] <RingtailedFox>	ok
[03:23:30] <RingtailedFox>	now it gives a 404: http://mobianlegends.com/wiki/Main_Page
[03:25:11] <RingtailedFox>	_mary_kate_, what do i do now?
[03:25:53] <RingtailedFox>	should i delete the current subdomain redirect i have for /public_html/wiki/?
[03:26:57] <RingtailedFox>	hello?
[03:27:11] <_mary_kate_>	RingtailedFox: why is it in public_html/w?  from your description, it should be in public_html/wiki/w ?
[03:27:22] <RingtailedFox>	oh! no one told me that :P
[03:27:26] <RingtailedFox>	re-naming again
[03:27:47] <_mary_kate_>	well you said for something to be at X.example.com/Y, you need to put it at pubilc_html/X/Y
[03:28:01] <RingtailedFox>	ok
[03:28:06] <RingtailedFox>	i did not know that, but now i do :)
[03:29:25] <RingtailedFox>	hmm. wiki.mobianlegends.com now gives a 403
[03:31:12] <RingtailedFox>	wiki.mobianlegends.com/w/ gives me 500
[03:32:05] <_mary_kate_>	you really need to see the web server error log to see what the problem is
[03:32:29] <RingtailedFox>	i got the error logs coming up
[03:34:47] <RingtailedFox>	http://pastebin.com/d7f8a533a
[03:38:59] <RingtailedFox>	let me clean that up, actually. it has a ton of errors i fixed before
[03:39:36] <RingtailedFox>	i think the wiki install thinks it's still at /public_html/wiki/
[03:39:45] <RingtailedFox>	how do i tell it that it's now at /public_html/wiki/w/?
[03:41:37] <RingtailedFox>	what do i do to re-direct this?
[03:44:28] <RingtailedFox>	what is the problem?
[03:47:33] <RingtailedFox>	i take it everyone left
[03:48:37] <jbinder>	:o
[03:49:56] <jbinder>	I have a certain task I want to do. I'm making a wiki for a TV show and I want to make each character have his/her own page with a character format for each page, like a template.  But I also want to have a list of characters that is accessible and that I can list some of on the front page. and maybe even sort them by something if I can
[03:50:09] <jbinder>	Should I use Categories, Portal, and/or Templates for this?
[03:50:15] <jbinder>	Idk which is the right choice
[03:51:35] <Splarka>	you might look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Inputbox
[03:52:20] <Splarka>	which can let you create an input box like "create new character page: [              ] [submit]", and preload another page into the new edit page, such as a template with categories like [[Category:Character]]
[03:53:58] <MrZ-man>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:InputBox is a little more up to date
[03:56:02] <Splarka>	picky picky
[03:56:19] <Splarka>	but now that I have your attention MrZ: think contribsrange is syncable with the gadget? 
[03:56:33] <RingtailedFox>	wiki.mobianlegends.com still gives me a 403, and wiki.mobianlegends.com/wiki and wiki.mobianlegends.com/w/ give me 500 errors. how do i fix this?
[03:56:37] <MrZ-man>	I haven't really looked at it yet TBH
[03:56:41] <Splarka>	k
[03:57:25] <Splarka>	people can still use the old via importScriptURI('http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadget-contribsrange.js&oldid=199516576&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript')
[04:00:16] <RingtailedFox>	how do i migrate my wiki installation from /public_html/wiki/ to /public_html/wiki/w/ ?
[04:01:46] <RingtailedFox>	ifind it very annoying that you guys help me only half way
[04:05:07] <RingtailedFox>	so, are you guys gonna let me sit here with a broken installation/
[04:05:08] <RingtailedFox>	?
[04:09:20] <MattJohnston>	RingtailedFox: WHere were you up to?
[04:09:56] <MattJohnston>	The only steps should be moving the files, then change LocalSettings.php, and it should be done
[04:10:07] <RingtailedFox>	i was up to moving my wiki installation from /public_html/wiki/ to /public_html/wiki/w/ and i edited localsettings.php
[04:10:35] <RingtailedFox>	now it gives 403 errors if i access http://wiki.mobianlegends.com/ itself, or 500 errors if i access wiki.mobianlegends.com/wiki or wiki.mobianlegends.com/w/
[04:10:45] <RingtailedFox>	but the urls DO redirect to /wiki/Main_Page as i wanted
[04:11:08] <Dantman>	Goddamnit php, I hate this stupidity
[04:11:16] <RingtailedFox>	?
[04:11:21] <RingtailedFox>	do i need to alter MW_INSTALL_PATH?
[04:15:33] <RingtailedFox>	hello?
[04:16:01] <Mike_lifeguard>	RingtailedFox: Please ask your question; someone will answer it if they can.
[04:16:15] <RingtailedFox>	i did!
[04:16:20] <RingtailedFox>	they help me half way then quit
[04:16:23] <RingtailedFox>	i'm sick of it
[04:16:37] <RingtailedFox>	the thing is, no one wants to asnwer
[04:16:40] <RingtailedFox>	they help, and then go away
[04:16:46] <Mike_lifeguard>	well, they are all volunteers
[04:17:00] <RingtailedFox>	yes, but don't do a job half way then quit
[04:17:21] <Mike_lifeguard>	well.... they're volunteers
[04:17:32] <RingtailedFox>	so's bob vila. if he quit half way, he would be fired
[04:18:00] <RingtailedFox>	do YOU know how to migrate a mediuawiki installation from one directory to another?
[04:18:36] <Mike_lifeguard>	umm. I doubt it. :D
[04:18:40] <RingtailedFox>	?
[04:18:44] <RingtailedFox>	what do you doubt?
[04:19:25] <RingtailedFox>	hello?
[04:19:59] <Mike_lifeguard>	I doubt that I know how to do that.
[04:20:03] <RingtailedFox>	ok
[04:20:12] <RingtailedFox>	that's what annoys me. people go silent right in the middle of a conversation
[04:21:02] <Mike_lifeguard>	well, I'm sorry you're annoyed
[04:22:39] <RingtailedFox>	so, where did everyone else go and why?
[04:24:34] <RingtailedFox>	i'll give you guys 5 more minutes before i start flooding with swears
[04:24:39] <RingtailedFox>	i'm sick of being helped and dropped half way
[04:26:25] <MattJohnston>	RingtailedFOx: If someone doesnt respond, say their name
[04:26:35] <RingtailedFox>	_mary_kate_ where did you go?
[04:26:45] <RingtailedFox>	mattjohnston why did you stop helping me half-way through?
[04:26:49] <MattJohnston>	Most people like me are doing other things on the computer, and saying our names will make our screen beep so we come and check
[04:27:07] <RingtailedFox>	a "brb" would have been sufficient
[04:27:07] <MattJohnston>	I didn't know you had responded yet. I just noticed now
[04:27:16] <Splarka>	some people are just busy: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1855151.ece
[04:27:39] <RingtailedFox>	well, i don't know if you're going to help me the rest of the way, since you dropped out already
[04:27:42] <RingtailedFox>	i'd like to you to finish helping me
[04:28:55] <MattJohnston>	RingtailedFox: I'd be happy to, just remember to say my name if I dont respond, and i'll reply :)
[04:29:49] <RingtailedFox>	alright
[04:30:07] <RingtailedFox>	my website is still giving 403 errors when i try to access wiki.mobianlegends.com
[04:30:44] <RingtailedFox>	when i type in either wiki.mobianlegends.com/w/ or wiki.mobianlegends.com/wiki/, it redirects to wiki.mobianlegends.com/wiki/Main_Page, but says "HTTP 500"
[04:30:49] <MattJohnston>	403 is usually a problem with your .htaccess - could you put the contents to it on a pastebin site (like http://rafb.net/paste/ ) then put the link to it here? That way I can have a look at it
[04:31:04] <MattJohnston>	Is it 403 or 500?
[04:32:39] <RingtailedFox>	403 when i try to access the subdomain, and there is no .htaccess file there
[04:32:44] <RingtailedFox>	500 everywhere else.
[04:34:46] <MattJohnston>	Could you put your LocalSettings on that site then (but REMEMBER to remove your passwords before doing so)
[04:34:53] <MattJohnston>	Do you have access to the php or apache error logs?
[04:35:19] <RingtailedFox>	both, and yes
[04:35:31] <RingtailedFox>	error logs: http://pastebin.com/d7f8a533a
[04:35:42] <RingtailedFox>	local settings.php: http://rafb.net/p/kBPK9H90.html
[04:41:18] <RingtailedFox>	so, mattjohnston what do i do?
[04:41:47] <MattJohnston>	RingtailedFox: I'm just checking something
[04:43:25] <RingtailedFox>	ok
[04:43:33] <RingtailedFox>	ahh, pathoschild has returned
[04:43:36] <RingtailedFox>	ok
[04:44:22] <MattJohnston>	RingtailedFox: Try moving the require_once lines you have for your extensions to the bottom of the file
[04:46:14] <MattJohnston>	RingtailedFox: Change $wgScriptPath       = "";
[04:46:15] <MattJohnston>	 to $wgScriptPath       = "w/"; as well
[04:46:28] *Pathoschild 	waves hello.
[04:46:30] <MattJohnston>	That should fix it, as that variable should be set to wherever your wikis files are
[04:46:38] <RingtailedFox>	slash in front, or in back?
[04:47:48] <MattJohnston>	RingtailedFox: As I had it, w/
[04:47:56] <Rex_787>	Help Needed Error: Warning: Call-time pass-by-reference has been deprecated; If you would like to pass it by reference, modify the declaration...
[04:48:12] <MattJohnston>	Rex_787: What version are you using, and what extensions do you have?
[04:48:40] <RingtailedFox>	still gives a 403 error at the subdomain, and a 500 everywhere else
[04:48:55] <MattJohnston>	RingtailedFox: Try removing the slash from that, just setting it to w
[04:49:21] <RingtailedFox>	ok
[04:49:25] <RingtailedFox>	if not, i'll have to add a .htaccess file
[04:49:36] <RingtailedFox>	wait, nevermind
[04:50:19] <MattJohnston>	I've gotta go for 10-15 mins, dinners ready. Someone should be able to help some more, but if not, i'll be back then. Sorry
[04:50:29] <RingtailedFox>	okies
[04:50:34] <RingtailedFox>	thanks for advance warning :)
[04:50:40] <Rex_787>	v1.13.2 Extension Causing the problem uniwiki toolbar... extension currently installed: CategoryTree, Uniwiki AutoCreateCategoryPages
[04:51:19] <Rex_787>	RingtailedFox: are you running mediawiki on a subdomain
[04:51:30] <RingtailedFox>	yes
[04:51:33] <RingtailedFox>	wiki.mobianlegends.com
[04:51:38] <Rex_787>	Hosting?
[04:51:43] <RingtailedFox>	hostmonster
[04:51:45] <RingtailedFox>	shared
[04:51:48] <RingtailedFox>	no root access
[04:51:55] <Rex_787>	can you add your own .htaccess
[04:52:00] <RingtailedFox>	yeah, that's allowed
[04:52:21] <Rex_787>	I can give you what I had to do at GoDaddy and see if it works
[04:52:22] <RingtailedFox>	i was TRYING To redirect it from wiki.mobianlegends.com/index.php?title=Main_Page to wiki/mobianlegends.com/wiki/Main_Page
[04:52:29] <RingtailedFox>	ok
[04:53:14] <Rex_787>	create .htaccess and add code: Options +FollowSymLinks
[04:53:16] <Rex_787>	Options -MultiViews
[04:53:18] <Rex_787>	RewriteEngine On
[04:53:19] <Rex_787>	RewriteRule ^w/(.*)$ /index.php?title=$1 [PT,L,QSA]
[04:53:21] <Rex_787>	RewriteRule ^w/*$ /index.php [L,QSA]
[04:53:22] <Rex_787>	RewriteRule ^/*$ /index.php [L,QSA]
[04:53:42] <Rex_787>	the ^w needs to be changed to ^wiki for your example
[04:53:43] <RingtailedFox>	in /public_html/wiki/ or /public_html/wiki/w/?
[04:53:59] <RingtailedFox>	see, the thing is, /public_html/wiki/ is what redirects to wiki.mobianlegends.com
[04:54:55] <Rex_787>	Ok so I have mind set up that it is equivalent to your /public_html/w ... bypass the wiki completely
[04:55:11] <RingtailedFox>	move everythign to /w?
[04:55:54] <Rex_787>	remove wiki and create folder on the wiki level called w and transfer them all to the upper level w... then redirect your subdomain to your w folder
[04:56:22] <RingtailedFox>	so, create /wiki/w?
[04:56:27] <RingtailedFox>	and redirect my domain to that?
[04:57:05] <Rex_787>	nope create /public_html/w/ ... add all your files to /public_html/w
[04:57:10] <RingtailedFox>	ok
[04:57:20] <Rex_787>	reassign  your subdomain to the w folder
[04:57:39] <RingtailedFox>	ok
[04:58:05] <Rex_787>	create your .htaccess the same as the above example I proposed
[04:59:18] <Rex_787>	you also need to make sure your LocalSettings.php includes the following:
[04:59:21] <Rex_787>	$wgScriptPath  = "";
[04:59:23] <Rex_787>	$wgArticlePath = "/w/$1";
[05:01:17] <RingtailedFox>	so, how will that redirect to wiki.mobianlegends.com/wiki/Main_Article?
[05:02:32] <Rex_787>	it won't it will redirect your wiki to wiki.mobianlegends.com/w/Main_Article
[05:03:04] <RingtailedFox>	that's not what i wanted
[05:03:32] <RingtailedFox>	would it work if i shoved a wiki folder within /public_html/wiki?
[05:03:35] <Rex_787>	if you want to change the w to wiki (which might confuse your visitors) change the folder to wiki and anywhere that you see a lone w change it to wiki
[05:03:41] <RingtailedFox>	like /public_html/wiki/wiki/ ?
[05:03:51] <RingtailedFox>	i have no visitors right now
[05:04:12] <Rex_787>	you can always hope brother or use my services as SEO LOL
[05:04:30] <Rex_787>	did you commit all the changes all ready
[05:04:52] <RingtailedFox>	SEO?
[05:04:55] <RingtailedFox>	and i'm still doing them
[05:05:02] <RingtailedFox>	i'm not using any stanky-ass CMS
[05:05:28] <Rex_787>	Search Engine Optimization
[05:05:37] <RingtailedFox>	i don't use CMSes
[05:06:10] <Rex_787>	Don't know what that has to do with anything.... :(
[05:06:21] <RingtailedFox>	what the fuck?
[05:06:21] <RingtailedFox>	http://wiki.mobianlegends.com/
[05:06:29] <RingtailedFox>	i don't know why you even mentioned SEO
[05:06:30] <RingtailedFox>	i don't use it
[05:06:51] <Rex_787>	Cause with out it you will not have visitors
[05:07:04] <RingtailedFox>	and with it, people will flock to my website ind roves?
[05:07:06] <RingtailedFox>	*in droves?
[05:07:32] <RingtailedFox>	it's a simple yes or no answer.
[05:07:53] <Rex_787>	hardly, it will just make your site more appealing to Google and the rest of the search engines... your database is set up for Localhost?
[05:08:00] <RingtailedFox>	eys
[05:08:01] <RingtailedFox>	*yes
[05:08:04] *werdnus 	yawns.
[05:08:16] <RingtailedFox>	i did not change a thing regarding username and passwords
[05:08:24] <Rex_787>	was the site ever up
[05:08:33] <RingtailedFox>	yes
[05:08:37] <RingtailedFox>	it was, with long urls
[05:08:42] <werdnus>	I don't really know the value of SEO - I think it's just making sure you have the right meta fields and so on.
[05:08:49] <werdnus>	RingtailedFox: what's the problem?
[05:08:50] <RingtailedFox>	such as wiki.mobianlegends.com/index.php?title=Main_Page
[05:09:00] <RingtailedFox>	i wanted it to show up as wiki.mobianlegends.com/wiki/Main_Page
[05:09:03] <Rex_787>	Have you completed the changed
[05:09:06] <RingtailedFox>	YES
[05:09:12] <RingtailedFox>	everyone taht asks what's wrong helps me HALF way then dumps me
[05:09:31] <Rex_787>	did you make the LocalSettings.php changes
[05:09:33] <RingtailedFox>	iyes
[05:09:35] <RingtailedFox>	*yes
[05:09:44] <RingtailedFox>	i do the changes you and your manuals state and i wind up with an unusable wiki installation
[05:11:02] <Rex_787>	.htaccess is created and installed in the w directory?
[05:11:11] <RingtailedFox>	yes.
[05:12:05] <RingtailedFox>	i'm now thinking you guys are intentionally giving me bad advice.
[05:12:10] <Rex_787>	wednus: a good SEO follows the algorythms setup by major search engines to promote an equitable search experience... so that loser sites that are based on bad information and advertising don't end up at the top of the ranks
[05:12:38] <Rex_787>	Hold on there Ringailed
[05:13:23] <RingtailedFox>	so, without changing the username and password, why is it trying to connect as somethign else?
[05:14:26] <Rex_787>	did you reinstall or move the files
[05:14:30] <RingtailedFox>	i moved them
[05:14:38] <Rex_787>	to w right
[05:14:45] <RingtailedFox>	i';m thinking on just deleting them and not using your piece of shit software.
[05:14:50] <RingtailedFox>	yes, to /public_html/w/
[05:17:08] <RingtailedFox>	and you guys go silent again
[05:17:09] <RingtailedFox>	no surprise
[05:17:18] <Rex_787>	first of all I am not even a member of mediawiki and 3/4 of the people on here are spending there time trying to help each other, if you don't have a cooperative spirit then maybe you should not use it... it is a free software, you should think of spending some money to have someone kiss your ass
[05:17:29] <werdnus>	ahem.
[05:17:33] <werdnus>	RingtailedFox: what is the problem?
[05:17:47] <RingtailedFox>	i already said it. i'm not repeating it beucase you can't read up.
[05:18:07] <RingtailedFox>	every single person that "Helps" me (should be anti-help), stops half way
[05:18:25] <Rex_787>	Werdnus: Warning: Call-time pass-by-reference has been deprecated; If you would like to pass it by reference, modify the declaration of [runtime function name](). If you would like to enable call-time pass-by-reference, you can set allow_call_time_pass_reference to true in your INI file in /home/content/s/p/o/spoolmotors/html/seocoalition/w/extensions/uniwiki/CustomToolbar/CustomToolbar.php...
[05:18:28] <Rex_787>	...on line 126
[05:18:45] <Rex_787>	In the mean time I am trying to help you and your flaming away
[05:18:54] <werdnus>	RingtailedFox: and yes, while I wouldn't put it quite as bluntly as Rex_787 did, we're not being paid to help you out, and you don't have the right to march in and treat people like assholes. If you have that attitude, we might just kick you out of the channel.
[05:18:59] <werdnus>	Rex_787: that's RingtailedFox's problem?
[05:19:09] <Rex_787>	No that is my problem
[05:19:23] <RingtailedFox>	i don't have an attitude or propblem
[05:19:32] <RingtailedFox>	i don't treat people like assholes
[05:19:41] <Rex_787>	You just did 
[05:19:43] <RingtailedFox>	i'm the one that's being helped half way and then being ignored or blocked
[05:19:51] <werdnus>	Anyway, I don't feel like discussing behaviour in here.
[05:20:01] <werdnus>	If everybody's sensible and reasonable, we won't need to.
[05:20:08] <werdnus>	Now, RingtailedFox what *is* the problem?
[05:20:10] <RingtailedFox>	hooray! another HTTP 500 error!
[05:20:16] <RingtailedFox>	i tried redirecting my wiki installation
[05:20:39] <RingtailedFox>	from wiki.mobianlegends.com/index.php?title=Main_Page to wiki.mobianlegends.com/wiki/Main_Page
[05:20:45] <werdnus>	oh, the short url stuff
[05:20:47] <RingtailedFox>	yes
[05:20:48] <werdnus>	!shorturl | RingtailedFox 
[05:20:48] --mwbot--	RingtailedFox: To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL>. There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem
[05:20:49] <Rex_787>	werdnus: he is trying to create short URL under the Matrix... 
[05:20:52] <RingtailedFox>	i already did that
[05:21:02] <werdnus>	Well then, what's the problem?
[05:21:26] <RingtailedFox>	now it either gives a 403 error when i access the subdomain only, or a 500 error when i try to access the wiki
[05:22:12] <Rex_787>	did you change the subdomain to look at the w folder
[05:22:21] <RingtailedFox>	yes
[05:22:37] <werdnus>	well, you'll need to include a redirect script in the subdomain.
[05:22:56] <Rex_787>	copy and past the .htaccess on here please
[05:23:08] <werdnus>	Just add an index.php in the root directory of the subdomain, and populate it with <?php header( 'Location: /wiki/' );
[05:23:22] <werdnus>	not on here, on a pastebin.
[05:23:58] <RingtailedFox>	getting it
[05:24:14] <Rex_787>	or he can put up RewriteBase /w/ on the .htaccess and see if it looks for it here
[05:25:25] <Rex_787>	no that is wrong add RewriteBase / under RewriteEngine On of the .htaccess
[05:25:40] <RingtailedFox>	i was right. you are giving me bad advice
[05:25:40] <werdnus>	perhaps one person at a time should help RingtailedFox 
[05:25:51] <RingtailedFox>	no, because when one at a time helps me, they run off
[05:25:55] <werdnus>	and, with respect, I'm a developer and Rex_787 hasn't been able to help RingtailedFox so far.
[05:26:22] <RingtailedFox>	no one has!
[05:26:30] <RingtailedFox>	fuck it. i'm deleting everything and starting fresh
[05:26:36] <werdnus>	hold on a minute.
[05:26:39] <RingtailedFox>	thanks to you assholes, i flushed 3 housr down the shitter.
[05:26:43] <werdnus>	Just give me a brief summary of how you've currently got it set up.
[05:26:55] <RingtailedFox>	i have ~/public_html/wiki/
[05:27:00] <RingtailedFox>	public_html is www.
[05:27:08] <werdnus>	okay, is that a directory or a rewrite rule?
[05:27:23] <RingtailedFox>	my host (hostmonster.com) allows me to make subdomains from folders like /public_html/wiki) into wiki.mobianlegends.com
[05:27:29] <werdnus>	oh I see
[05:27:33] <werdnus>	okay, so what do you have under /wiki?
[05:27:35] <RingtailedFox>	i wanted to simply have wiki.mobianlegends.com/wiki/Main_Page/php
[05:27:37] <RingtailedFox>	nothing
[05:27:40] <RingtailedFox>	you guys told me to move it to /w
[05:27:44] <Rex_Silent>	If someone else has time: Warning: Call-time pass-by-reference has been deprecated; If you would like to pass it by reference, modify the declaration of [runtime function name](). If you would like to enable call-time pass-by-reference, you can set allow_call_time_pass_reference to true in your INI file in /home/content/s/p/o/spoolmotors/html/seocoalition/w/extensions/uniwiki/CustomToolbar/CustomT
[05:27:46] <Rex_Silent>	oolbar.php on line 126
[05:27:54] <werdnus>	Rex_Silent was a bit confused, methinks.
[05:28:01] <werdnus>	Move it to public_html/wiki/w
[05:28:10] <werdnus>	and you have shell access, right?
[05:28:13] <RingtailedFox>	yes
[05:28:22] <Rex_Silent>	Hey I just told him what I did to make it work at GoDaddy.com http://wiki.seocoalition.com
[05:28:40] <RingtailedFox>	EWW
[05:28:42] <RingtailedFox>	NO MORE SEOS!
[05:28:49] <RingtailedFox>	do i have to start up www.fuckseo.com?
[05:28:51] <werdnus>	okay, so type echo '<?php header( "Location: /wiki/" );' > ~/public_html/wiki/index.php
[05:29:34] <Rex_Silent>	Dumbass SEO doesn't equal CMS
[05:29:37] <RingtailedFox>	returns nothing
[05:29:42] <RingtailedFox>	it's even worse!
[05:29:43] <werdnus>	it doesn't need to.
[05:29:52] <RingtailedFox>	don't get into a swearing war with me. you will NEVER win.
[05:29:53] <werdnus>	okay, now go to http://wiki.yourdomain.com/
[05:30:03] <RingtailedFox>	let me re-direct wiki back to /wiki/
[05:30:49] <Rex_Silent>	RingtailedFox: /ignore RingtailedFox
[05:31:16] <werdnus>	please don't be unhelpful, Rex_Silent. Just do the ignoring, don't shout about it.
[05:31:32] <Rex_787>	Done
[05:31:33] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) No success message for Nuke - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16155 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Nuke; (mikelifeguard)
[05:31:35] <RingtailedFox>	rex has been giving me ANTI-HELP all night
[05:31:51] <werdnus>	okay, so what happens when you go to the URL for your wiki, RingtailedFox?
[05:32:33] <RingtailedFox>	500 server error
[05:32:56] <werdnus>	do you have access to your error logs?
[05:33:03] <RingtailedFox>	yes
[05:33:10] <RingtailedFox>	i already posted them, but let me get them agin
[05:34:11] <RingtailedFox>	http://pastebin.com/d7f8a533a
[05:34:14] <RingtailedFox>	error logs away
[05:34:57] <werdnus>	is the top or the bottom more recent?
[05:35:03] <RingtailedFox>	top, i think
[05:35:26] <werdnus>	okay, so it's saying something about an ErrorDocument...
[05:35:38] <werdnus>	where have you set something about an ErrorDocument in your .htaccess?
[05:35:58] <RingtailedFox>	i dont' have an .htaccess file
[05:36:04] <RingtailedFox>	righ tnow, myu wiki's at /public_html/wiki/w/
[05:36:14] <werdnus>	what's the address to it?
[05:36:45] <RingtailedFox>	wiki.mobianlegends.com
[05:36:50] <RingtailedFox>	 /w, i think
[05:37:19] <RingtailedFox>	still gives a 500 error
[05:37:30] <RingtailedFox>	thanks for fucking things up beyond fixing, guys
[05:37:31] <werdnus>	the 500 error is really a 404
[05:38:25] <werdnus>	So you need to set up the .htaccess stuff... one moment
[05:38:54] <werdnus>	okay, so edit ~/public_html/wiki/.htaccess
[05:39:27] <werdnus>	and add the line Alias /wiki /path/to/your/home/directory/public_html/wiki/w/index.php
[05:39:28] <RingtailedFox>	nio file exists there
[05:39:36] <werdnus>	yes, create it.
[05:40:00] <RingtailedFox>	no point
[05:40:03] <RingtailedFox>	everything';s gone now
[05:40:07] <werdnus>	no it isn't.
[05:40:07] <RingtailedFox>	might as well re-install it
[05:40:10] <RingtailedFox>	yes it is
[05:40:12] <RingtailedFox>	as in, blank directory
[05:40:14] <werdnus>	it'll be fixed in a moment.
[05:40:16] <werdnus>	oh, why?
[05:40:25] <RingtailedFox>	when i set my subdomain back to /wiki/
[05:40:27] <RingtailedFox>	AS YOU SAID
[05:40:35] <RingtailedFox>	so now, you are going to sit your ass down and help me install things again
[05:40:57] <werdnus>	I didn't say "delete everything"
[05:41:06] <werdnus>	I said "move it back to /wiki/w/
[05:41:23] <werdnus>	and you certainly can't "order" me to help you reinstall things.
[05:41:31] <RingtailedFox>	can an dwill
[05:41:35] <RingtailedFox>	it won't let me delete /wiki/w/ now
[05:41:40] <RingtailedFox>	you did so
[05:42:12] <werdnus>	well, I'm not going to pay any attention.
[05:42:13] <MZMcBride>	You need to be nicer, RingtailedFox.
[05:42:28] <RingtailedFox>	no
[05:42:34] <RingtailedFox>	nice gets me nowhere here
[05:42:47] <werdnus>	neither does being a pain.
[05:42:48] <Rex_787>	If anyone is available:
[05:42:51] <Rex_787>	Warning: Call-time pass-by-reference has been deprecated; If you would like to pass it by reference, modify the declaration of [runtime function name](). If you would like to enable call-time pass-by-reference, you can set allow_call_time_pass_reference to true in your INI file in /home/content/s/p/o/spoolmotors/html/seocoalition/w/extensions/uniwiki/CustomToolbar/CustomToolbar.php on line 126
[05:43:01] <werdnus>	how did +q not work?
[05:43:07] <MZMcBride>	It did?
[05:43:08] <werdnus>	!repeat | Rex_787 
[05:43:08] --mwbot--	Rex_787: Please do not repeat yourself too often. If little conversation has occurred since your last message, then it is likely no one has an answer or someone who does hasn't looked in IRC yet. You risk annoying people if you incessantly repeat yourself.
[05:43:41] <Rex_787>	Just bringing it to MZMcBride's attention
[05:43:52] <werdnus>	Rex_787: it's an error in the extension.
[05:43:55] <MZMcBride>	Rex_787: Looks like you've got a problem on line 126 of CustomToolbar/CustomToolbar.php
[05:43:59] <Splarka>	werdnus: if he talked after you +q then it was because you're opped
[05:44:05] <werdnus>	Splarka: oh, right.
[05:44:27] *MZMcBride 	wonders what he said..
[05:44:50] <werdnus>	16:42 < RingtailedFox> nice got me a deleted wiki installation thanks to peopel not helping
[05:44:53] <werdnus>	16:42 < RingtailedFox> fuck ioff
[05:44:55] <werdnus>	16:42 -!- RingtailedFox [n=johncoon@bas4-windsor12-1279761681.dsl.bell.ca] has left #mediawiki []
[05:45:08] <Rex_787>	MZMcBride: Correct! some research calls about empty whitespace but have verified.... any other ideas please
[05:45:11] <Splarka>	iOff? new apple product?
[05:45:13] <_mary_kate_>	what's the preg_match flag to make ^ and $ match at every \n inside the string?
[05:45:26] <werdnus>	 /m
[05:45:29] <_mary_kate_>	thx
[05:45:30] <werdnus>	multiline.
[05:45:47] <werdnus>	amusingly, /ms (multiline singleline) makes sense.
[05:46:05] <MZMcBride>	/pms
[05:46:17] <MZMcBride>	Rex_787: No idea, sorry.
[05:46:24] <MZMcBride>	Use a better extension?
[05:46:25] <Splarka>	ahh, werdnus: it is because of +z
[05:46:39] <Splarka>	>  When +z is set, the effects of +b, +q, and +m are relaxed. For each message, if that message would normally be blocked by one of these modes, it is instead sent to all the users who are currently set +o (channel operator). This is intended for use in moderated debates.
[05:46:39] *MZMcBride 	nods.
[05:46:48] <Rex_787>	MZMcBride... might have too
[05:46:55] <MZMcBride>	To. *
[05:47:06] <Rex_787>	that too
[05:47:12] <MZMcBride>	There ya go.
[05:47:18] <Rex_787>	blah
[05:48:56] <werdnus>	Splarka: yes, I know.
[05:49:07] *Splarka 	grins
[05:50:51] <_mary_kate_>	hmm.. my extension isn't loading it message file
[05:51:06] <_mary_kate_>	is setting $wgExtensionMessageFiles enough for that to happen?
[05:56:24] <_mary_kate_>	hm.. it doesn't show the credits on Special:Version either
[05:59:59] <werdnus>	_mary_kate_: wfLoadExtensionMessages( 'TheKeyInWgExtensionMessageFiles' );
[06:02:03] <CIA-59>	03river * r42712 10/trunk/extensions/ABC/ (. ABC.i18n.php ABC.php): awesome new extension to format ABC tunes in a wiki page
[06:05:39] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Logo for yo.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16156 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (ademola72)
[06:12:13] <_mary_kate_>	heh, Extension:AbcMusic looks pretty insecure... you can make it read and try to render any file on the system
[06:12:33] <werdnus>	damn, I just lost the game
[06:25:35] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Logo for yo.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16156  +comment (10jeluf)
[06:30:38] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Sometimes, no search results since Lucene 2.1 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16157 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Search; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[06:32:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Sometimes, no search results at all are shown since Lucene 2.1 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16157  15enhancement->major; normal->high; summary; +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[06:32:44] <Rex_787>	ok this is wierd: http://wiki.seocoalition.com... width of CSS #globalWrapper just shrunk by itself
[06:36:35] <Splarka>	Rex_787: 200k background image and 90k logo? lovely
[06:37:14] <Rex_787>	Splarka: Sarcasm?
[06:37:23] <Splarka>	yes, those are big for a wiki
[06:38:07] <Rex_787>	Esthetics; Conformity to standardized theme
[06:38:56] <Rex_787>	Yet I have been thinking of a revision
[06:39:44] <Rex_787>	Splarka: any ideas on the problem?
[06:40:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Sometimes, no search results at all are shown since Lucene 2.1 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16157  major->04BLOCKER; high->highest; +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[06:40:58] <Splarka>	rex: removing all script/style tags testingly
[06:41:48] <Splarka>	nothing changes except for @import "/skins/monobook/main.css?164";
[06:41:49] <Rex_787>	Splarka: :( from...
[06:42:15] <Splarka>	I've removed everything (locally) except your main.css and the globalWrapper (red div) doesn't change shape size or location
[06:44:57] <Rex_787>	fidgesicle
[06:45:21] <Rex_787>	fidgesicle = fudgsicle
[06:45:46] <Splarka>	Rex_787: unless you're hosting multiple wikis, it usually isn't a good idea to change the main.css, makes upgrading harder (at the very least, all changes should be suffixed to the end of the file)
[06:46:00] <Splarka>	best thing to do is edit local MediaWiki:Monobook.css
[06:46:25] <Splarka>	have you edited Skin.php, SkinTemplate.php, and/or Monobook.php at all?
[06:46:49] <Rex_787>	monobook.php 
[06:47:05] *Splarka 	noticed you have content outside globalWrapper
[06:47:41] <Splarka>	hmm, maybe I'm not seeing what you're seeing
[06:47:42] <Rex_787>	Top part, it has been working for the past 4 days... it just started looking that way
[06:48:06] <Splarka>	I see the global wrapper as a red box about 1000x555 pixels in the middle of the page
[06:48:19] <Rex_787>	not a full 990 pixels, slightly skewed to the left
[06:48:42] <Rex_787>	hmmm I installed Adobe Air
[06:49:02] <Splarka>	do you see it when logged out, or in other browsers?
[06:49:05] <_mary_kate_>	how do i indicate that people should use the extensiondistributor to download my extension?
[06:49:08] <_mary_kate_>	(on mediawiki.org)
[06:50:48] <Rex_787>	I have not tested or set parameters for IE yet, I have only usd FF and logged on or not it shows the same problem
[06:51:09] <Splarka>	how about with JS disabled?
[06:52:14] <Rex_787>	I am so sorry I am new to MediaWiki... how do I disable .js
[06:52:27] <Splarka>	disable in your browser
[06:53:05] <Rex_787>	duh, my name is George
[06:53:29] <Splarka>	George was the smart one
[06:53:49] *Splarka 	grins
[06:53:57] <Rex_787>	Which way did he go Which way did he go
[06:54:40] <Rex_787>	nada
[06:54:53] <Splarka>	how about a screencap?
[06:55:29] <Rex_787>	how do I use a pastebin?
[06:55:35] <Splarka>	imageshack.us
[06:55:45] <Splarka>	for picture pasting
[06:55:49] <Rex_787>	rog
[06:57:42] <Rex_787>	brb
[07:32:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Timeline images either generated without text or even not at all. Sometimes also no map areas as well. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16085  (10mikelifeguard)
[07:55:45] <CIA-59>	03siebrand * r42714 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/languages/MV_Messages.php: Fix messages
[08:07:12] <CIA-59>	03tstarling * r42715 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 3 dirs): 
[08:07:12] <CIA-59>	In sortable tables:
[08:07:12] <CIA-59>	* (bug 8063) Use the content language digit transform table.
[08:07:12] <CIA-59>	* Don't recognise C-style hexadecimal notation as a number, that feature never actually worked.
[08:07:12] <CIA-59>	* Be more forgiving about things that look like numbers but turn out not to be. Sort them stringwise.
[08:07:15] <CIA-59>	* Optimised ts_resortTable by having it calculate the sort keys at the start, and then using a single trivial comparison function. There are potentially many more comparisons than rows. Observed factor of 2 speedup.
[08:07:18] <CIA-59>	* Use RegExp.test() instead of String.match() when a true/false value is desired, as recommended by the Mozilla reference
[08:13:49] <Splarka>	Tim: I think it is only still Monday in Hawaii?  (and maybe Samoa, Cook Islands, Aleutian Islands, a few other islands, and any parts of Alaska that don't observe DST)
[08:15:37] <TimStarling>	I was busy on Monday
[08:15:45] <TimStarling>	with non-MediaWiki things
[08:16:28] *Splarka 	grins
[08:16:52] <Splarka>	heh, 'preprocessor'
[08:18:13] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED)  JavaScript table sort does not observe local language with respect to digit groups , decimals and date formats - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8063  +comment (10tstarling)
[08:21:29] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Javascript variables for section and preview mode - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8946  +comment (10tstarling)
[08:22:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) zh-tw calls Project talk "=?UTF-8?Q?=E5=B0=8D=E8=A9=B1?=" - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15765  (10N/A)
[08:29:27] <CIA-59>	03huji * r42716 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFa.php: Localisation updates: Adding/updating Persian translations: "Type" is not a Persian word, thus is replaced by synonyms
[08:30:43] <CIA-59>	03siebrand * r42717 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesZh_tw.php: (bug 15765) Fix inconsistent "talk" for NS_PROJECT_TALK
[08:31:03] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) zh-tw calls Project talk "=?UTF-8?Q?=E5=B0=8D=E8=A9=B1?=" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15765  +comment (10siebrand)
[08:33:32] <Splarka>	Tim: this might be low hanging JS fruit, but it might also be a long project: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16013 I've done most of what is needed in the JS (except testing, it's only been tested live on test.wp for weeks), but it could be prettified muchly with a few strategic placements of id="" into the fieldsets in the html (so the linked sections would work for non-js users)
[08:35:03] <Splarka>	although some esoteric browsers might not like the document.location change. It might be better to have the generated tabs be regular <a href="#section"> that then change the displayed div on an onclick later, letting the current URI change more 'naturally'
[08:38:00] <CIA-59>	03siebrand * r42718 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Tweak 'unusedtemplatestext': use "{{ns:template}}" instead of "template"
[08:38:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Sometimes, no search results at all are shown since Lucene 2.1 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16157  +comment (10daniel)
[08:38:31] <Splarka>	((the whole thing is a dirty hacky setup))
[08:38:41] <CIA-59>	03river * r42719 10/trunk/extensions/ABC/ABC.php: make MIDI rendering optional
[08:38:54] <_wooz>	lo
[08:50:58] <CIA-59>	03river * r42720 10/trunk/extensions/ABC/ (ABC.i18n.php ABC.php): allow rendering to Ogg Vorbis
[08:57:20] <_mary_kate_>	now, how do i integrate my extension with ogghandler, so the user can play music by clicking a button?
[08:57:58] <werdnus>	ask Tim :)
[08:58:06] <_mary_kate_>	i did, he went all quiet ;)
[08:58:11] <Splarka>	welcome to 1996?
[08:58:27] <TimStarling>	I'm looking for javascript things to fix instead
[08:59:08] <TimStarling>	OggHandler is really made for playing oggs
[08:59:16] <_mary_kate_>	i generate an ogg
[08:59:40] <Splarka>	http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/1996:
[09:00:40] <TimStarling>	you could construct an OggTransformOutput
[09:00:49] <TimStarling>	you probably know all the constructor parameters
[09:02:11] <_mary_kate_>	i just call toHtml() on that and embed it?
[09:04:08] <TimStarling>	yes
[09:06:58] <Melancholie>	Wasn't there some kind of ParserFunction or MagicWord that gives you an ID (counted up every time it gets mentioned)?
[09:07:13] <werdnus>	Uh, I doubt it.
[09:07:32] <Melancholie>	I thought so.
[09:07:56] <werdnus>	You mean per-site or per page?
[09:08:01] <Splarka>	maybe http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:VariablesExtension could do that?
[09:08:26] <Melancholie>	yes, I think so
[09:08:30] <Splarka>	simulate one that is
[09:09:25] <Splarka>	make a {{VARCOUNT}} template that {{#vardefine:n|{{#expr:{{#var:n}}+1}}}} to add one and return it each call
[09:09:36] <Splarka>	(can it do that on subtemplates?)
[09:11:45] <Sven>	good morning
[09:12:04] <_mary_kate_>	Splarka: where did 1996 come from?
[09:12:23] <MrMist1>	hey guys
[09:12:35] <Splarka>	_mary_kate_: midi on the web made me flashback to 1996 X_X
[09:12:46] <_mary_kate_>	and why does ogghandler assume it's in phase3/extensions?  that's annoying
[09:12:53] <MrMist1>	I'm figuring out wether to use mediawiki or not. I need to only let users view and edit the pages in mediawiki
[09:13:03] <MrMist1>	Is this possible at all?
[09:13:05] <Merlissimo>	since today on dewiki api is returns an unsupportednamespace. what has changed?
[09:13:40] <_mary_kate_>	Splarka: heh, well the main point is the pngs
[09:14:18] <Splarka>	well that's okay then, png only makes me flash back to 2004
[09:14:50] <_mary_kate_>	Sven: yes.  the first rule is don't /msg people
[09:14:57] <Sven>	lol
[09:15:00] <Sven>	ok :)
[09:15:00] <Splarka>	MrMist1: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access 
[09:16:19] <Splarka>	if you want to let everyone read _all_ pages, or only let logged in users view pages, then mediawiki can work good for you. If however you want a mix level of access to read pages specific pages it is not feasable to have that securely
[09:16:29] <Sven>	i would love to add a clickable image, that leads to a topic and not to the larger view of the image, like thouse monitors on this site: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:Main_page
[09:16:37] <Sven>	somehow i cant get it work...
[09:16:49] <MrMist1>	Splarka: I want to restrict everyone, except users
[09:16:52] <Splarka>	!linkedimage
[09:16:52] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "linkedimage".
[09:16:54] <Splarka>	er
[09:16:57] <Splarka>	!imagelink
[09:16:57] --mwbot--	Image linking is intentionally not supported in MediaWiki, so access to the image's description page is always available. If you need image links, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Linked_images> for methods and information. One way to achieve this is <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Icon>.
[09:17:04] <MrMist1>	Splarka: For users, everything should be like an open mediawiki
[09:17:24] <Sven>	ah, it need a extra hack?
[09:17:27] <Splarka>	MrMist1: then you'll want to:
[09:17:29] <Splarka>	$wgGroupPermissions['*']['read'] = false;
[09:17:34] <Splarka>	$wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit'] = false;
[09:17:37] <Splarka>	$wgGroupPermissions['*']['createaccount'] = false;
[09:17:45] <Splarka>	and then give 'read' to 'user' group
[09:17:55] <Splarka>	see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access#Simple_private_wiki
[09:18:01] <Sven>	ok, thank info helps alot. thanks Splarka
[09:18:15] <Splarka>	Sven: well, in 1.14 it is supported natively now
[09:18:23] <Splarka>	you can give an image a link= parameter
[09:18:37] <Splarka>	but that's only existed for a few weeks, so you'll need a hack for older versions
[09:19:09] <Sven>	still running 1.13.2
[09:19:15] <Sven>	installed it some days ago
[09:19:20] <Sven>	ill do a upgrade then
[09:19:30] <Sven>	thank you very much for that handy detail
[09:19:40] <Splarka>	rar
[09:20:13] <MrMist1>	Splarka: Thanks a lot :) I'll try it out
[09:21:01] <Splarka>	MrMist1: some wikimedia wikis use (basically) that, and they seem to trust them
[09:21:23] <Splarka>	_mary_kate_: curious, has there ever been (publically acknowledged) info leakage from these wikis?
[09:21:44] <_mary_kate_>	which wikis?
[09:21:55] <Splarka>	the ['*']['read'] = false; WMF wikis
[09:22:01] <_mary_kate_>	only for images, i think
[09:22:06] <Splarka>	right
[09:22:29] <Splarka>	and now with image auth that's pretty much improbable?
[09:22:40] <_mary_kate_>	in theory
[09:23:16] <_mary_kate_>	TimStarling: hmm, so i click 'play', and the player appears (the java one), but it never actually plays
[09:23:17] <MrMist1>	hmm... it's a old version in my ubuntu distro
[09:23:23] <MrMist1>	*downloading tar.gz"
[09:23:29] <Splarka>	how old? 1.5-? heh
[09:23:39] <MrMist1>	1.11
[09:23:42] <_mary_kate_>	it just sits at 0:00
[09:23:54] <_mary_kate_>	oh, now it says error: not-linked
[09:23:56] <Splarka>	1.11 isn't terribly old, it'll work for you
[09:24:29] <MrMist1>	nah... I'm downloading the .tar.gz instead :)
[09:24:31] <Sven>	Splarka: where to get 1.14x ? cant find it on the official download site...
[09:24:46] <Splarka>	Sven: isn't branched and released yet, still being developed
[09:24:56] <Sven>	oh, ok :-)
[09:25:04] <CIA-59>	03nicdumz * r42721 10/trunk/phase3/includes/parser/CoreParserFunctions.php: Adding function hook for numberofviews
[09:26:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New magic word for number of total views - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13701  (10nicdumz)
[09:26:23] <Splarka>	sven: http://tools.wikimedia.de/~vvv/mw-nightly/
[09:27:49] <Sven>	i think ill use the hack, untill the final/stable has been rlsd. thanks Splarka :-)
[09:28:15] <Splarka>	rar
[09:29:18] <CIA-59>	03river * r42722 10/trunk/extensions/ABC/ABC.php: 
[09:29:18] <CIA-59>	- support OggHandler playback (currently broken)
[09:29:18] <CIA-59>	- don't re-create files that exist
[09:30:34] <CIA-59>	03nad * r42723 10/trunk/extensions/CSS/CSS.php: typo in object name
[09:33:38] <Melancholie>	bye
[09:33:39] <MrMist1>	I get: Couldn't find Turck MMCache, eAccelerator, APC or XCache;
[09:33:43] <MrMist1>	What do these mean ?
[09:33:48] <MrMist1>	I get them when installing
[09:33:54] <TimStarling>	nothing
[09:34:48] <Splarka>	Merlissimo: example of query, or link to gadget? a lot has changed over the last few days
[09:37:15] <Splarka>	if it really was _today_, the last scap was 2 days 6 hours ago so that is odd. Though they might have individually scapped a few API files manually...?
[09:37:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) MediaWiki:Maincategory to be created - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15345  +comment (10daniel)
[09:37:56] <Merlissimo>	its the Disambiguations link check tool on dewiki
[09:38:37] <Merlissimo>	the request is in correct utf-8
[09:38:54] <Splarka>	http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spezial:Pr%C3%A4fixindex/MediaWiki:Gadget  which one?
[09:39:42] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) CategoryTree: if subcategory title is subset of category title, subcategory (recursively) contains itself - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15857  +comment (10daniel)
[09:39:42] <Merlissimo>	http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_Diskussion:Gadget-bkl-check.js
[09:39:59] <Merlissimo>	begriffskl�rungscheck
[09:41:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Sometimes, no search results at all are shown since Lucene 2.1 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16157  +comment (10rainman)
[09:42:50] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) CategoryTreeItem: twice as many TABs for text browser users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15971  +comment (10daniel)
[09:43:00] <Splarka>	hmm, two .send() calls...
[09:43:15] <Splarka>	xmlRequest.send('action=query&generator=links&titles=' + wgPageName + '&prop=categories&gpllimit=100&cllimit=500&format=xml&redirects=1' + gplcontinue);
[09:43:16] <Splarka>	xmlRequest.send('action=query&titles=' + titles + '&prop=categories&cllimit=500&format=xml&redirects=1');
[09:43:22] <Merlissimo>	the one in BKL_Check_Continue
[09:44:41] <Merlissimo>	but the second has the same problem - but it is only used on preview mode
[09:45:29] <Splarka>	hmm
[09:46:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "Edit" link not working as expected - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13287  +comment (10daniel)
[09:47:02] <Splarka>	seems to work.. http://de.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&generator=links&titles=Foo&prop=categories&gpllimit=10&cllimit=10&format=xml&redirects=1&gplcontinue=858286|0|Daffy%20Duck
[09:47:43] <Splarka>	and the one with preview doesn't even specify namespaces
[09:47:48] <Merlissimo>	i but not on pages with german special chars
[09:48:37] <Splarka>	ahh, well, such details you might supply beforehand ^_^
[09:48:47] <Splarka>	example of namespace it doesn't work on?
[09:49:16] <Merlissimo>	long name for WP:BKF
[09:50:05] <Merlissimo>	(i am think i habe wrong charset on this irc) Wikipedia:WikiProjekt Begriffskl�rungsseiten/Flie�band
[09:51:04] <Splarka>	hmm, Wikipedia:WikiProjekt_Begriffskl%E4rungsseiten%2FFlie%DFband
[09:51:09] <Splarka>	they're just extended ascii characters
[09:51:22] <Merlissimo>	MediaWiki-API-Error: unsupportednamespace
[09:51:49] <Splarka>	<error code="unsupportednamespace" info="No support for special pages has been implemented"/>
[09:51:53] <Splarka>	special pages?
[09:52:08] <Merlissimo>	no this Flie�band page
[09:52:21] <Splarka>	asking in general, to the universe
[09:52:42] <Merlissimo>	its WP namespace
[09:55:16] <Merlissimo>	it seem generally not working on WP namepace. article, user, portal is working
[09:55:17] <TimStarling>	_mary_kate_: make sure the applet is served from the same hostname as the file
[09:55:18] <Sven>	ok, thanks for helping out, Splarka. cu all later :-)
[09:55:18] <Splarka>	mmm...
[09:55:22] <Splarka>	http://de.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&generator=links&titles=Wikipedia:Academy%202006&prop=categories&gpllimit=10&cllimit=10&format=xml&redirects=1
[09:55:49] <_mary_kate_>	TimStarling: is it possible for that to not happen if i used the default path for the jar, etc?
[09:55:51] <Merlissimo>	http://de.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&generator=links&titles=WP:BKF&prop=categories&gpllimit=10&cllimit=10&format=xml&redirects=1
[09:56:21] <Merlissimo>	mm?
[09:56:43] <TimStarling>	depends whether you also used the default path for the upload directory
[09:56:48] <Splarka>	it works on Wikipedia:Academy_2006 which has no non-ascii, hmm
[09:57:00] <TimStarling>	just check the URL in the HTML
[09:57:02] <_mary_kate_>	TimStarling: the file isn't in the upload directory
[09:57:06] <TimStarling>	make sure it's sane
[09:57:28] <Merlissimo>	but WP:BKF has also no non ascii in the request - before internal the redirect
[09:57:44] <Splarka>	it works on http://de.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&generator=links&titles=Wikipedia:BIENE/Motorische%20St%F6rungen&prop=categories&gpllimit=10&cllimit=10&format=xml&redirects=1
[09:57:56] <Splarka>	Merlissimo: I am thinking the problem is not with the page title, but something on the page
[09:57:57] <Merlissimo>	is my last link working for you?
[09:58:03] <Splarka>	did you try more than one page?
[09:58:16] <Splarka>	your last link is to the same page, just a redirect
[09:58:40] <Merlissimo>	my last link doest work for me
[09:58:56] <_mary_kate_>	ah, it's trying to load from http://localhost for some reason
[09:59:08] <Merlissimo>	other pages seem to work
[09:59:16] <Splarka>	Merlissimo: yes, because it is the same as trying to perform the generator on Wikipedia:WikiProjekt_Begriffskl%E4rungsseiten%2FFlie%DFband
[09:59:23] <Splarka>	so something on that page is funky
[09:59:41] <_mary_kate_>	okay, now it works
[09:59:50] <Merlissimo>	aaaaahh ok, i know
[10:00:10] <Merlissimo>	the template used on this page
[10:00:28] <Splarka>	which template?
[10:01:01] <Merlissimo>	the on ising another an this one is using special:unreviewdpages
[10:01:17] <Merlissimo>	the box besides the toc
[10:01:44] <Merlissimo>	"sichten"
[10:01:46] <Splarka>	mmm, odd
[10:02:10] <Splarka>	the links table has a -1
[10:02:11] <Splarka>	        <links>
[10:02:11] <Splarka>	          <pl ns="-1" title="Spezial:Seiten mit ungesichteten Versionen/category=Begriffskl�rung" />
[10:04:21] <Splarka>	oh
[10:04:51] <Splarka>	heh, I think I see the prob
[10:05:07] <Merlissimo>	i'll have to add gplnamespace=0
[10:05:12] <_mary_kate_>	hmm, the ogghandler button really doesn't want to be centered
[10:05:19] <Splarka>	no, it _is_ a bug
[10:05:37] *Splarka 	attempts to find it though
[10:06:19] <Merlissimo>	Splarka yes, templates should to listed in link
[10:06:53] <Splarka>	more sinister than that
[10:07:26] <Splarka>	[[Bild:FlaggedRevs-1.png|x15px|Sichten|link=:Spezial:Seiten mit ungesichteten Versionen/category=Begriffskl�rung]]
[10:08:23] *Splarka 	tests
[10:08:46] <Merlissimo>	gplnamespace=0 will fix it
[10:09:24] <Splarka>	haha
[10:09:26] <Splarka>	yep
[10:09:40] <Splarka>	TimStarling: amusing, link= in [[Image:]] registers links in ns -1
[10:09:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Activate Collection Extension for generating PDF on all Wikisources - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15970  (10jkbwiki)
[10:10:04] <TimStarling>	file a bug
[10:10:18] <Splarka>	yes yes, but at least say "oops" or "haha"
[10:10:25] <Merlissimo>	Splarka it is a link to ns:-1
[10:10:27] <Splarka>	heh, even ns-2
[10:10:34] <Splarka>	<pl ns="-2" title="Media:Foo" />
[10:10:50] <_mary_kate_>	isn't that how links to special pages are usually recorded?
[10:10:54] <Splarka>	Merlissimo: yes, and it shouldn't be
[10:11:40] <DarkoNeko>	media is -2 and special -1, iirc
[10:11:47] <DarkoNeko>	so it's not illogical
[10:12:25] <TimStarling>	the existing code doesn't register such links
[10:12:42] <TimStarling>	there's no good reason for that, it's just how it is
[10:13:12] <Splarka>	mmm, actually it does if the Special: page doesn't exist
[10:13:16] <DarkoNeko>	the empiric law of programming
[10:13:28] <Splarka>	but [[Image:]] links do it even if the Special page _does_ exist
[10:14:02] <Splarka>	[[Image:Wiki.png|link=Special:Image]][[Image:Wiki.png|link=Special:Allpages]][[Special:Regular_link]][[Special:Wantedpages]]
[10:14:05] <Splarka>	          <pl ns="-1" title="Special:Allpages" />
[10:14:06] <Splarka>	          <pl ns="-1" title="Special:Image" />
[10:14:06] <Splarka>	          <pl ns="-1" title="Special:Regular link" />
[10:14:11] <Splarka>	the behavior is inconsistent at least
[10:14:26] <Splarka>	Tim: what should it... um. do?
[10:18:11] *Splarka 	files an API bug anyways, since both behaviors are possibly buggy
[10:24:05] <TimStarling>	it should probably register links
[10:24:16] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) generator= links barfs if a link is registered in negative namespaces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16158 major; normal; MediaWiki: API; (herd)
[10:24:17] <TimStarling>	Special:Whatlinkshere could be made to work with special pages
[10:24:20] <Splarka>	100% of the time?
[10:24:21] <TimStarling>	and that could have some value
[10:24:48] <TimStarling>	yes, all the time
[10:24:49] <Splarka>	mmm, does <imagemap> register links?
[10:24:56] <TimStarling>	yes
[10:26:01] <Splarka>	interesting, it doesn't register Special: ones
[10:26:46] <Splarka>	Tim: maybe you better open this bug (relating to registering special: links consistently) since you know more what you want. Or just say 'too busy' and I'll do it and you'll have to fix it anyways
[10:27:27] <Splarka>	(fix the summary, severity, cc, examples, and intent that is)
[10:27:39] <TimStarling>	have you checked to make sure it isn't filed already?
[10:28:10] <Splarka>	hmm, nope, checking
[10:29:47] <Splarka>	any idea on how long it has been possible to register a -1 namespace link via wikilink for missing Special: page? for always?
[10:31:15] <TimStarling>	there's been lots of changes in that area of the code
[10:31:29] <TimStarling>	I'd have to do lots of annotating and diffing to find out
[10:31:36] <Splarka>	http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Special:Regular_link
[10:31:45] <Splarka>	Whatlinkshere already works with it, heh
[10:31:52] <TimStarling>	nice to know
[10:32:07] <Splarka>	this might be another bug -> feature eh?
[10:32:42] <Splarka>	wow, even works with the 'existing' ones: http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Special:Allpages (which are only linkable via link=)
[10:34:57] <Splarka>	no open bugs found so far
[10:35:06] *Splarka 	tries looking for Whatlinkshere requests
[10:35:15] <Merlissimo>	Splarka the feature usign multiple arguments with special pages is nice (with a comma) http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spezial:Seiten_mit_ungesichteten_Versionen/5,category=Begriffskl%E4rung
[10:36:04] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add wlshow=patrolled !patrolled to generator=watchlist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16159 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: API; (lars-wikimediabugzilla)
[10:36:05] <Splarka>	seems kinda silly but hey, whatever ^_^
[10:37:19] <Splarka>	Tim: no obvious bugs found, but there may be a badly phrased one
[10:37:51] <Splarka>	hmm, the namespace dropdown only goes down to 0 on Whatlinkshere, if to be officially supported it should go to -2?
[10:40:49] <TimStarling>	well, -2 is wrong
[10:41:00] <TimStarling>	hmmm...
[10:41:10] <TimStarling>	they should probably be registered in namespace 6
[10:41:16] <TimStarling>	don't know if that makes sense
[10:41:25] <TimStarling>	-2 has some amount of sense too
[10:41:46] <Splarka>	"find media links"?
[10:41:50] <TimStarling>	yes
[10:41:58] <Splarka>	hey
[10:42:02] <TimStarling>	you'd need special UI handling for that
[10:42:07] <Splarka>	you could have interwiki links be -3 ^_^ *hides*
[10:42:12] <Merlissimo>	audio files are showing -2
[10:42:18] *TimStarling 	rolls eyes
[10:42:27] <Splarka>	interwiki links are so lonely, they are left out
[10:42:38] <TimStarling>	as for media links, there could be a section for them on the image description page
[10:42:47] <Splarka>	wikilinks, categories, interlang links, _external_ links, transclusions, and even special links get tables
[10:44:53] <Splarka>	mmm, this could scale helpfully, {{Special:Prefixindex}} type magical transclusions of special pages could register a -1 transclusion
[10:45:09] <Splarka>	magic words and parser functions could register -1 transclusions
[10:45:37] *Splarka 	laughs and boils oil for the impending rioting villagers
[10:58:01] <DarkoNeko>	:o
[11:00:05] *DarkoNeko 	sets Splarka on fire
[11:01:47] <Splarka>	eep
[11:05:45] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Sometimes, no search results at all are shown since Lucene 2.1 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16157  +comment (10rainman)
[11:08:39] *DarkoNeko 	put the fire out witrh the oil
[11:08:42] <DarkoNeko>	oops
[11:09:19] *DarkoNeko 	has no clue of what he's doing .8.
[11:14:06] <Prom_cat>	Hey got a funny issue
[11:14:50] <Prom_cat>	The upload file link on my wiki goes to Wikipedia:Upload
[11:14:58] <Prom_cat>	Where can i change thatr
[11:15:36] <DarkoNeko>	uuh ?
[11:17:16] *werdnus 	turns DarkoNeko into a lolcat
[11:17:29] <DarkoNeko>	I'm in ur interweb, uuh'ing
[11:17:46] <Prom_cat>	lol
[11:17:47] <Prom_cat>	its ok 
[11:17:49] <Prom_cat>	found it 
[11:17:50] <Prom_cat>	$wgUploadNavigationUrl
[11:20:45] <Prom_cat>	Sigh
[11:20:46] <Prom_cat>	nope
[11:20:50] <Prom_cat>	still odin it
[11:21:16] <Prom_cat>	Could it be the pilfered common.js  ?
[11:25:46] <Splarka>	try disabling js and see
[11:25:53] <Splarka>	(in your browser....)
[11:27:01] <Prom_cat>	Yes, disabling it fixes it
[11:27:03] <Prom_cat>	so....
[11:27:24] <Splarka>	so confess to js theft, take your punishment, and beg for mercy
[11:27:32] <Splarka>	or look for the code changing it
[11:27:41] <Splarka>	where'd you grab it from? enwp?
[11:28:18] <Prom_cat>	Yeah
[11:28:20] <Prom_cat>	of course
[11:28:36] <Prom_cat>	And its only code theft if no one else is doing it ::P
[11:29:06] <Prom_cat>	Secure upload link fix 
[11:29:08] <Prom_cat>	thats the one
[11:29:15] <Prom_cat>	deuh.....
[11:55:34] <CIA-59>	03ialex * r42724 10/trunk/extensions/skins/Tomas/ (Tomas.class.php Tomas.php main.css main.js): svn:eol-style native
[11:55:52] <werdnus>	Tomas?
[12:08:05] <CIA-59>	03ialex * r42725 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (5 files): 
[12:08:05] <CIA-59>	* Added the possibiliy to restrict extensions settings in $wgConfigureAdditionalExtensions
[12:08:05] <CIA-59>	* Updated Asksql extension
[12:09:56] <CIA-59>	03river * r42726 10/trunk/extensions/ABC/ABC.php: 
[12:09:56] <CIA-59>	- put ogghandler in its own div
[12:09:56] <CIA-59>	- pass -dEPSDrop to ps2pdf, so it produces a page size that fits the score, instead of a mostly-empty A4 page
[12:13:23] <CIA-59>	03ialex * r42727 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/manage.inc: fix script's name (oops)
[12:42:04] <CIA-59>	03ialex * r42728 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ChangesList.php: Use $wgJsMimeType for JavaScript's Mime type
[12:45:33] <Hojjat>	hi. A quick question: How do we enable search suggestions (that appear as you type in the search box)?
[12:45:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Some <inputbox> parameters broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16108  +comment (10m.s.jones)
[12:46:31] <ialex>	!wg EnableMWSuggest | Hojjat
[12:46:31] --mwbot--	Hojjat: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgEnableMWSuggest
[12:46:54] <Hojjat>	ialex: hi and thanks!
[12:47:13] <Hojjat>	ialex: I've also just sent a question on Wikitech-l, which you may answer :)
[12:47:34] *ialex 	opens his mail client
[12:48:32] *Hojjat 	crosses his fingers
[12:50:42] <ialex>	Hojjat: and with 'wgAriclePath' => array( 'default' => '/wiki/$1' ), ?
[12:53:08] <Hojjat>	ialex: pardon me?
[12:53:12] <Hojjat>	where do I paste that?! ;)
[12:53:30] <ialex>	in $wgConf->settings array ;)
[12:54:03] <Hojjat>	yeah I was kidding.. since my question looks like newbies
[12:54:09] <Hojjat>	anyways, I tested it.. didn't work :(
[12:54:50] <ialex>	the url doesn't display properly in Special:MergeAccount?
[12:55:05] <_mary_kate_>	Hojjat: why do you use centralauth in the first place?
[12:56:02] <Hojjat>	_mary_kate_: good question! Because I'm trying to fix some bugs in it.. later
[12:56:13] <Hojjat>	it is a test wiki, as you can see from the URL (if you read the mail)
[12:56:50] <Hojjat>	ialex: http://en.localhost/w/index.php/Special:MergeAccount
[13:03:24] <Splarka>	http://localhost  <-- what's wrong with this picture ^_^
[13:05:55] <ialex>	Hojjat: from where?
[13:10:30] <Hojjat>	Splarka: dude, it is a test wiki!
[13:10:40] <Hojjat>	ialex: what, from where?
[13:11:01] <Hojjat>	ialex: and wow! The heater system of our house is blown up now! It really scared me
[13:11:48] <Splarka>	HoJ: you were just sharing the fact that the URL displayed, rather than inviting alex to visit?
[13:11:52] <Splarka>	eep, electric, gas, or oil?
[13:12:47] <Splarka>	or more esoteric... firewood, coal, solar, geothermal, volcanic, nuclear decay, trapped lavaman
[13:12:57] <Hojjat>	Splarka: yeah
[13:13:04] <Hojjat>	and gas
[13:13:35] <Hojjat>	it's like living with a bomb in your house!
[13:14:05] <Hojjat>	ialex: any idea?
[13:14:07] <Splarka>	meep...gas makes for fun explosion potential... it can leak to fill a large space and mix with oxygen to a nice ratio
[13:14:07] <ialex>	Hojjat: i know this your testwiki, i just want to know in which page you see this link (e.g. Special:Preferences)
[13:15:06] <Splarka>	(in the 80s a two storey grocery store 10 miles from here blew up, natural gas leak over a weekend)
[13:15:29] <Hojjat>	ialex: I'm confused about your question
[13:15:52] <Nikerabbit>	meep
[13:16:10] <Hojjat>	If you want to know what links I have on my Special Preferences, I have to say they link to http://en.localhost and http://fa.localhost
[13:16:10] <ialex>	Hojjat: you see the link "http://en.localhost/w/index.php/Special:MergeAccount" from Special:Preferences?
[13:16:18] <Hojjat>	I do :)
[13:16:31] <Hojjat>	I don't!!
[13:16:40] <Hojjat>	wow!
[13:16:56] <Hojjat>	sorry... confused!
[13:17:02] <Hojjat>	link title is: Login unification status
[13:17:09] <Hojjat>	link location is: http://en.localhost/w/index.php/Special:MergeAccount
[13:17:46] <Hojjat>	on my special:specialpages
[13:18:10] <Hojjat>	and on Special:Preferences, title is (Manage your global account) and url is the same
[13:18:47] <ialex>	Hojjat: $wgArticlPath         = '/wiki/$1';
[13:18:58] <ialex>	missing "e" in "$wgArticlPath"
[13:19:09] <ialex>	$wgArticlPath -> $wgArticlePath
[13:19:22] <ialex>	in your "switch"
[13:20:57] <Hojjat>	:(
[13:21:02] <Hojjat>	My bad :(
[13:21:05] *Hojjat 	cries out loud
[13:21:11] <ialex>	xD
[13:21:20] *Hojjat 	stabs his stomach with the biggest knife there
[13:21:53] <ialex>	does it work now? :)
[13:21:54] *Hojjat 	jumps into the heater system (aka explosion system)
[13:21:59] <Hojjat>	ialex: sure thing!
[13:22:40] <Splarka>	Seppuku sure sucks unless you have a second
[13:29:45] *Hojjat 	is going to add a bug about MWsuggest
[13:30:24] <Splarka>	before you do, elaborate here? might be a dupe?
[13:33:00] <Splarka>	Hojjat: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=mwsuggest&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED
[13:34:59] <chuck>	How would I make it so only a new user group that I make can edit a page?
[13:35:16] <Splarka>	$wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit'] = false;
[13:35:16] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Suggestions box should be resized from left for RTL wikis - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16160 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Search; (huji.huji)
[13:35:22] <Splarka>	$wgGroupPermissions['user']['edit'] = false;
[13:35:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RTL/bidirectional issues (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745  (10huji.huji)
[13:35:27] <chuck>	Splarka: No
[13:35:27] <Splarka>	$wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['edit'] = false;
[13:35:33] <chuck>	Splarka: Like, through page protection
[13:35:46] <Splarka>	you want a third level of protection?
[13:35:59] <Splarka>	for a whole namespace or per-page?
[13:36:19] <chuck>	On the &action=protect page, I want to be able to make it so only founders can edit a page
[13:37:09] <Splarka>	see $wgRestrictionLevels
[13:37:43] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgRestrictionLevels
[13:37:50] <Splarka>	rar roan
[13:38:23] <Splarka>	roan: per the new API bug, of course it isn't the API's fault, but don't WONTFIX hastily ^_^
[13:42:18] <CIA-59>	03aaron * r42729 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (Title.php specials/SpecialUndelete.php): Move getEarliestTime() to Title
[13:42:48] <chuck>	Special:Allmessages is too big, can we get pagination? PHP ran out of memory
[13:43:32] <Nikerabbit>	waste of resources :o
[13:43:38] <Nikerabbit>	special:translate does it
[13:44:18] <Riko87>	hi
[13:44:35] <chuck>	Nikerabbit: I don't use that extension :P
[13:44:49] *chuck 	really likes Allmessages' AJAX search and stuff
[13:45:30] <Nikerabbit>	it's not ajax, just dhtml
[13:45:58] <chuck>	Nikerabbit: Well it *will* be AJAX once that special page gets pagination ^.^;
[13:47:37] <Nikerabbit>	uh
[13:47:48] <Nikerabbit>	not will, must maybe :)
[13:50:22] <rodaeche>	good morning, everyone
[13:50:38] <rodaeche>	I'm looking to write an extension
[13:51:02] <rodaeche>	so I would like to know where can I find information about how the code works on wiki?
[13:51:25] <rodaeche>	I need to understand first, how does wiki use its variables and methods, don't I ?
[13:51:30] <RoanKattouw>	!extensions
[13:51:30] --mwbot--	MediaWiki has been built so it can easily be customized by adding extensions. This is usually a simple process. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Extensions> for instructions to install extensions, as well as for writing them. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix> for an overview of known extensions.
[13:52:23] <rodaeche>	I was looking for an extension that restrict certain articles edition to certain groups
[13:52:29] <rodaeche>	but could not find it
[13:52:42] <RoanKattouw>	!protect | rodaeche 
[13:52:42] --mwbot--	rodaeche: You can protect pages to prevent them from being edited by certain user groups. When a page is deleted its' protection is retained. Also you can protect nonexistant pages since 1.12. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Administrators#Protections>
[13:53:47] <rodaeche>	I'll ask you be patient with me, I'm kind of new on this.  So when I protect some page, I can restric its edition?
[13:54:56] <RoanKattouw>	rodaeche: Protecting a page basically means that you can configure one page to be editable by one group only
[13:54:59] <rodaeche>	I'll put an example so I can be clear:  Let's say I have page_A, and want to be edited only by group_A.  The others can read page_A but not edit it.  Can I do that with !protect?=??
[13:55:07] <RoanKattouw>	Yes
[13:55:10] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgRestrictionLevels
[13:55:20] <RoanKattouw>	For instance, you won't be able to edit [[Main Page]] on enwp; only sysops can do that
[13:55:22] <RoanKattouw>	(and with good reason)
[13:56:09] <rodaeche>	True
[13:56:20] <rodaeche>	So, I'll give a look to !protect
[13:56:44] <rodaeche>	I don't know very much about $wgRestrictionLevels
[13:57:02] <rodaeche>	Anyway, will give a read, and back to you people
[13:57:04] <kalim>	hello
[13:57:12] <rodaeche>	thanks a lot for the help! 
[13:57:12] <RoanKattouw>	rodaeche: $wgRestrictionLevels is used to extend protection from just editing and moving (default) to other actions as well
[13:57:56] <kalim>	i'm looking for a way to create a blog like news page for our corporate wiki. are there any good solutions your can recommend?
[13:58:21] <TimStarling>	wordpress
[13:59:09] <kalim>	TimStarling, we currently have wordpress, but i'd like to have one integrated solution because people don't wanna visit two sites
[14:00:00] <kalim>	my mediawiki is flourishing but wordpress is going down. that's why i would like to have something like a blog inside mediawiki
[14:01:07] <TimStarling>	well, wikinews uses DynamicPageList, maybe that would work for you
[14:02:10] <kalim>	looks interesting
[14:08:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Mediawiki:Sidebar does not RESTORE after Backup->Restore - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16146  (10huck.finn)
[14:08:42] <CIA-59>	03huji * r42730 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES skins/common/mwsuggest.js): (bug 16160) Suggestion box should be resized from left in RTl layout
[14:09:00] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Suggestions box should be resized from left for RTL wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16160  +comment (10huji.huji)
[14:09:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Default sidebar cached after restoring MediaWiki: Sidebar from backup - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16146  summary; +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[14:14:37] <kalim>	TimStarling, i'm digging into DPL and it seems to be just what i'm looking for
[14:14:42] <kalim>	thank for the hint
[14:14:57] <kalim>	it should be promoted more like something that is capable for news
[14:15:01] <kalim>	:)
[14:16:21] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) CodeReview's diff is too messy - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16161 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CodeReview; (huji.huji)
[14:18:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CodeReview's diff shows whitespace changes while ViewVC's doesn 't - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16161  summary; +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[14:19:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Editable stylesheet location for CodeReview - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16049  +comment (10huji.huji)
[14:20:41] <CIA-59>	03catrope * r42731 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/api/ApiQueryWatchlist.php): 
[14:20:41] <CIA-59>	API: * (bug 16159) Add wlshow=patrolled|!patrolled to list=watchlist
[14:20:41] <CIA-59>	* Followup of r42077: fix bug 15945 (use User::useRCPatrol() and useNPPatrol() rather than isAllowed('patrol')) for list=watchlist as well
[14:21:13] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Add wlshow=patrolled !patrolled to generator=watchlist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16159  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[14:21:26] <Laaknor>	thanks RoanKattouw ;)
[14:21:35] <RoanKattouw>	Laaknor: No problem
[14:22:08] <RoanKattouw>	Laaknor: You're lucky I read the chat logs for last night, or I wouldn't have known about this bug. Bugmail failed me
[14:23:35] <Laaknor>	I was going to give you another half hour before I bugged you about it. About 4 hours is a little long for fixing a feature request :P
[14:23:50] <RoanKattouw>	Laaknor: Well I've just been online for 2 hrs
[14:24:41] <Riko87>	there is an extension that allow a vertically dropdown menu?
[14:24:41] <RoanKattouw>	The thing is, I get about a hundred e-mails every day telling me what happened at Bugzilla in great detail
[14:25:06] <RoanKattouw>	I *should* have been notified about your bug, but for some mysterious reason that notification and the one for the bug immediately before it was dropped
[14:26:36] <rodaeche>	I'm sorry I couldn't find a way to do what I need =(
[14:26:53] <RoanKattouw>	rodaeche: What do you need to do?
[14:27:48] <rodaeche>	I need to restrict certain articles to being editted; only certain users (not sysops) can edit them.
[14:28:08] <rodaeche>	those users can be organized as a group
[14:28:26] <RoanKattouw>	rodaeche: OK. First, you need to create that group by assigning it some kind of right
[14:28:36] <RoanKattouw>	$wgGroupPermissions['mygroup']['myright'] = true;
[14:28:43] <RoanKattouw>	myright should be a new right
[14:28:52] <RoanKattouw>	(i.e. not an existing one like edit or move)
[14:29:05] <rodaeche>	ok...
[14:29:11] <rodaeche>	and then?
[14:29:29] <RoanKattouw>	Then you do $wgRestrictionLevels[] = 'myright';
[14:29:44] <RoanKattouw>	Which means you can now protect stuff to require 'myright' as opposed to just autoconfirmed and sysop
[14:30:07] <RoanKattouw>	Then you go to your target page and click the protect tab
[14:30:29] <RoanKattouw>	The rest should be self-explanatory
[14:30:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Cannot rename/move images and other media files. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=709  (10N/A)
[14:36:01] <CIA-59>	03catrope * r42732 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiPageSet.php: API: (bug 16158) Generators choke on pagelinks entries with negative pl_namespace. Throw a warning instead of an error for the time being
[14:36:11] <rodaeche>	RoanKattouw: Thanks a lot for this mini tutorial =) I'll try again on this and let you know. 
[14:47:47] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Cannot rename/move images and other media files. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=709  +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[14:52:36] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Redirect images without deleting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14928  +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[14:55:27] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Negative namespace titles handled inconsistently - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16162 normal; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (roan.kattouw)
[14:55:55] <CIA-59>	03tstarling * r42733 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Revision.php: Fix docs
[14:56:52] <RoanKattouw>	TimStarling: Could you please look at bug 16162? Splarka tells me you know more about that stuff
[14:57:33] *Splarka 	hides
[14:58:26] <TimStarling>	Splarka asked me whether links to special pages should be consistently registered
[14:58:28] <TimStarling>	I said yes
[14:58:37] <Pinky>	is there a way to load only one message from a language?
[14:58:49] <Pinky>	without loading them all?
[14:59:16] <RoanKattouw>	TimStarling: Right. In that case bug 16162 is just the formalization of what you guys discussed 6 hours ago
[14:59:25] *RoanKattouw 	is off to the grocery store
[15:02:10] <Splarka>	Pinky: load in what way?
[15:03:25] <Pinky>	so that wfMsgGetKey('key', true, languagecode) would work
[15:03:45] <^demon>	Pinky: From an extension or core?
[15:03:51] <Pinky>	extension
[15:03:56] <^demon>	Then it's harder :(
[15:04:06] <Pinky>	:(
[15:04:29] <^demon>	Typically, you could do wfMsgExt() and pass the language parameter, but with extensions, the message you want isn't necessarily loaded yet.
[15:05:00] <Pinky>	yeah
[15:05:13] <^demon>	*language you want, rather
[15:06:48] <Pinky>	what I was doing is wfMsgGetKey('key', false, languagecode), but after debugging that's exactly what's happening: the message isn't loaded yet
[15:07:52] <^demon>	wfLoadExtensionMessages() only loads the content language and the user language (plus english, as the universal fallback)
[15:08:36] <Pinky>	but not a specific language?
[15:08:54] <^demon>	You can optionally pass a language parameter to it, if you have a specific language you want to load.
[15:09:08] <^demon>	However, it will load *all* messages for that extension.
[15:09:12] <Pinky>	ah
[15:09:18] <^demon>	Not just a singular one
[15:09:21] <Pinky>	I guess that would work
[15:09:28] <Pinky>	just wouldn't be super efficient
[15:10:38] <^demon>	The docs for wfLoadExtensionMessages are on lines 2795-2802 of GlobalFunctions.php
[15:10:47] <Pinky>	k
[15:11:54] <TimStarling>	wfLoadExtensionMessages() is exceedingly slow
[15:11:59] <TimStarling>	we have to fix it
[15:13:04] <^demon>	Agreed.
[15:13:08] <Pinky>	heh
[15:13:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Negative namespace titles handled inconsistently - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16162  (10tstarling)
[15:21:49] <Pinky>	well, wfLoadExtensionMessages works at least :)
[15:23:28] <Pinky>	not the fastest way to do it, but at least it works :)
[15:23:32] <Pinky>	thanks for the help
[15:25:00] <^demon>	no problem :)
[15:28:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable image renaming on WMF wikis (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15842  (10novartza)
[15:31:17] <Bluegoblin7>	hello, ive been running CentralAuth successfully for a while now, but today its broken (i may have changed something) basically, i cant access the admin pages, such as Special:CentralAuth etc
[15:31:23] <Bluegoblin7>	whats the easiest way to fix it?
[15:34:21] <Bluegoblin7>	?? please?
[15:36:24] <_mary_kate_>	well first you need to explain why you can't access them... otherwise no one can guess what the problem might be
[15:37:19] <Bluegoblin7>	well i dont know that the thing
[15:37:31] <Bluegoblin7>	im in the required user group with centralauth-admin or whatever it is
[15:37:35] <rodaeche>	fghbf
[15:37:39] <Bluegoblin7>	and it says "Access denied"
[15:38:13] <rodaeche>	hello everyone
[15:38:22] <rodaeche>	where should I find this variable? $wgRestrictionLevels
[15:38:36] <rodaeche>	$wgRestrictionLevels[]
[15:40:06] <RoanKattouw_away>	!wgRestrictionLevels
[15:40:06] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "wgrestrictionlevels".
[15:40:12] <RoanKattouw_away>	!wg RestrictionLevels
[15:40:12] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgRestrictionLevels
[15:40:13] <Simetrical>	!wg RestrictionLevels | RoanKattouw_away 
[15:40:13] --mwbot--	RoanKattouw_away: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgRestrictionLevels
[15:40:21] *Simetrical 	meant to get rodaeche there
[15:40:48] <RoanKattouw>	Simetrical: I remember this really funny quote about IRC autocompletion; I believe it was Domas's
[15:40:58] <domas>	??!!!?
[15:41:05] <Simetrical>	RoanKattouw, yes, I remember that one.
[15:41:06] <RoanKattouw>	Someone (could have been you) complained that it always autocompletes to the wrong name
[15:41:26] <RoanKattouw>	Then some other guy agreed to the wrong person because of exactly that
[15:41:49] <Simetrical>	Actually, I have XChat set to autocomplete to the most recent speaker with the prefix.
[15:42:01] <Simetrical>	It works really nicely, but both you and rodaeche have names starting with "ro".
[15:42:13] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) generator= links barfs if a link is registered in negative namespaces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16158  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[15:42:33] <RoanKattouw>	I use ChatZilla, which basically autocompletes the same way bash does
[15:43:07] <RoanKattouw>	Hey turns out it was Domas:
[15:43:11] <RoanKattouw>	<Simetrical> Why do IRC clients always pick the wrong name to autocomplete to? <domas> siebrand: they always pick right for me!
[15:43:46] <_mary_kate_>	that probably was lithuanian humour
[15:43:53] <RoanKattouw>	Could have been
[15:44:03] <RoanKattouw>	Either way, it was funny
[15:45:15] <Splarka>	Ta r[tab][tab][tab][tab][tab][tab][tab] RoanKattouw
[15:45:56] <RoanKattouw>	When I do r[TAB][TAB] I get: [INFO]	10 matches for “r”: [rainman-sr, Raymond_afk, RingtailedFox, robla, Remenic, Rich_Morin__, rawtaz, Riko87, rodaeche, RoanKattouw]
[15:46:30] <RoanKattouw>	And it won't autocomplete to anything unless I disambiguate
[15:46:47] <_mary_kate_>	RoanKattouw: some clients will automagically complete when you type 'roan:' and press enter, without any tabbing
[15:46:51] <_mary_kate_>	the most common caused of bad completions
[15:47:03] <RoanKattouw>	OK that's just evil
[15:47:18] <RoanKattouw>	Sounds a bit like Microsoft Office to me
[15:47:56] <es1>	Has anyone else here had their image uploads and thumbnail generation just suddenly STOP functioning? :)
[16:06:04] <vityan>	���� ������. Hi all
[16:10:19] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Error using importTextFile.php script - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16163 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Maintenance scripts; (lr1313)
[16:20:46] <lyhana>	Hi, how do i include the element of a category into a page ?
[16:21:12] <RoanKattouw>	lyhana: What do you mean by element?
[16:21:41] <lyhana>	Element = link to the article.
[16:21:50] <RoanKattouw>	[[:Category:Foo]]
[16:21:58] <RoanKattouw>	Notice the : before Category
[16:22:13] <RoanKattouw>	[[Category:Foo]] means "this page is part of category Foo"
[16:22:25] <RoanKattouw>	[[:Category:Foo]] is a link to the description page for Foo
[16:22:31] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Protection log should display the protected as the first portion - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16164 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (azog)
[16:23:11] <lyhana>	RoanKattouw: yep, i want the description page for Foo, the list of articles not a link to the category.
[16:48:38] <lyhana>	Hi (again), i want to display the section 'Pages in category "Aircraft"' (cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Aircraft ) in a page how can i do this ?
[16:49:22] <RoanKattouw>	{{Category:Aircraft}} I *think*
[16:51:17] <RoanKattouw>	If that doesn't work, you probably need DPL
[16:51:20] <RoanKattouw>	!dpl
[16:51:20] --mwbot--	The DynamicPageList (DPL) extension outputs reports based on criteria given in a special tag. For more information, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicPageList> and <http://semeb.com/dpldemo/index.php?title=Dynamic_Page_List>.
[16:51:54] <ialex>	RoanKattouw: {{Category:Aircraft} doesn't work for that iirc
[16:51:58] <ialex>	+}
[16:52:03] <RoanKattouw>	Oh
[16:52:05] <RoanKattouw>	Well use DPL then
[16:53:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) History javascript screwed up (in IE7 RC1, at least) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7333  +comment (10gtisza)
[16:53:45] <lyhana>	I'd tried {{Category:Aircraft}} it just gave me a link to the category.
[16:56:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Some <inputbox> parameters broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16108  (10tparscal)
[16:58:07] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Some <inputbox> parameters broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16108  +comment (10m.s.jones)
[17:00:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Some <inputbox> parameters broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16108  (10tparscal)
[17:01:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Some <inputbox> parameters broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16108  (10mikelifeguard)
[17:06:31] <Mike_lifeguard>	TrevorParscal: r42662 fixed bug 16108 (Some <inputbox> parameters broken) right?
[17:06:44] <TrevorParscal>	yes
[17:07:22] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Some <inputbox> parameters broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16108  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[17:07:41] <Mike_lifeguard>	thanks
[17:10:02] <^demon>	Hey all :)
[17:10:04] *^demon 	waves
[17:12:43] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Compare selected versions should be a link, not a button - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16165 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: History/Diffs; (mikelifeguard)
[17:14:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Compare selected versions should be a link, not a button - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16165   +easy; +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[17:14:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Compare selected versions should be a link, not a button ( JavaScript) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16165  summary; +comment (10brion)
[17:16:24] *Mike_lifeguard 	hrmmmmms
[17:23:51] *^demon 	throws rocks at FileRepo and friends
[17:25:59] <Splarka>	well, it wouldn't strictly speaking need to be javascript, you could have n^2 links on the history of a page, where n = number of revisions showing ^_^
[17:30:56] <AaronSchulz>	brion: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Aaron_Schulz/deletion <--have this working now :)
[17:31:09] <CIA-59>	03tomasz * r42734 10/branches/CentralNotice-SpecialPage-Integration/ (6 files): various bugfixes. starting to set layout of new templates
[17:37:16] <^demon>	Wow, laptop died 5 minutes after unplugging it. Indication for a new battery, much?
[17:38:39] <domas>	anyone wants to fix API bug?
[17:38:55] <^demon>	domas: I can poke at it...what's up?
[17:39:10] <domas>	explain SELECT /* ApiQueryContributions::execute 219.190.14.134 */  rev_timestamp,page_namespace,page_title,rev_user_text,rev_page,rev_id,page_latest,rev_comment,rev_minor_edit,page_is_new  FROM `revision`,`page`  WHERE (page_id=rev_page) AND rev_deleted = '0'  ORDER BY rev_user_text DESC, rev_timestamp DESC LIMIT 11
[17:39:16] <domas>	see this query
[17:39:20] <domas>	it has no WHERE clause on user
[17:39:23] <domas>	this should never happen
[17:40:03] <Splarka>	oop, roan peered
[17:40:18] <domas>	should I open a bug?
[17:40:29] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Compare selected versions should be a link, not a button ( JavaScript) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16165  (10mikelifeguard)
[17:40:33] <^demon>	If I can find the problem and fix it in a minute or two, yes :)
[17:40:41] <Splarka>	can't ?
[17:40:55] <Splarka>	domas: any idea of the query used to do that?
[17:41:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Compare selected versions should be a link, not a button ( JavaScript) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16165  (10mikelifeguard)
[17:41:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Compare selected versions should be a link, not a button ( JavaScript) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16165   +need-review +patch (10mikelifeguard)
[17:42:01] <domas>	Splarka: no
[17:42:18] <^demon>	Splarka: ApiQueryContributions::prepareQuery()
[17:42:23] <Mike_lifeguard>	Splarka: would you look at that patch for me? It changes the compare button on history pages to a link. I just grabbed code from WP:US
[17:43:06] <^demon>	Mike_lifeguard: Fwiw (which isn't much), I like the  button :p
[17:43:09] <Splarka>	mmm, 3 hilights in a row
[17:43:20] <Splarka>	^demon: I mean, what api parameters generate that call
[17:43:22] <Mike_lifeguard>	the button is evillll
[17:43:56] <Splarka>	Mike_lifeguard: var histForm=document.getElementsByTagName("form")[1];  ? ugh
[17:43:57] <MrZ-man>	I think the button makes it more noticeable
[17:43:57] <^demon>	Hmmmmmm, not 100% sure. It's the contributions queries, yes...but hmm.
[17:44:20] <Mike_lifeguard>	I'm pretty sure I just said I didn't write it :D
[17:44:22] <Splarka>	the form should have an ID or at least a name (all forms should, actually)
[17:44:35] <Splarka>	and I'm pretty sure you asked me to look at it
[17:44:40] <Splarka>	and I can't look at that without saing ugh
[17:44:47] <Mike_lifeguard>	fair enough
[17:44:53] *MrZ-man 	throws an innerHTML at Splarka
[17:44:53] *Splarka 	ponders stabbing mikeL for fun
[17:45:06] <domas>	I can reproduce it with at least "http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?list=usercontribs&action=query&ucuserprefix="
[17:45:07] <domas>	arghhhh
[17:45:07] *Splarka 	grabs it and tucks it away in his secret stash of naughty code
[17:45:28] <Splarka>	mmm, I was sure he put a limit on ucuserprefix
[17:45:35] <domas>	probably a bad idea
[17:45:40] <domas>	because idiot people click on links in this channel
[17:45:49] <^demon>	domas: This is disgustingly icky query construction in this method....they want to use rev_user_text for everything so they can use that prefix mode.
[17:46:02] <VasilievVV>	domas: bingo!
[17:46:25] <domas>	meh, just force the index
[17:47:04] <^demon>	the user_name index?
[17:47:09] <Splarka>	$wgAPIUCUserPrefixMinLength  but maybe it was removed
[17:47:41] <domas>	but thats not the bug
[17:47:48] <AaronSchulz>	domas: would you care to add some old missing indexes on 4 wikis? :DD
[17:47:49] <domas>	there's another bug
[17:47:52] <domas>	no
[17:47:55] <^demon>	VasilievVV: Is there a force index thingie in the api?
[17:48:05] <Splarka>	oop: * Replaced $wgAPIUCUserPrefixMinLength with the more generic $wgAPIMaxDBRows
[17:48:09] <Splarka>	whatever that means
[17:48:37] <Splarka>	well, if the check was still in place, you couldn't pass a null prefix parameter I'd think
[17:49:17] <^demon>	domas: You want to FORCE INDEX user_name, right?
[17:49:27] <domas>	yes
[17:49:28] <domas>	shit
[17:49:29] <domas>	fuck
[17:49:30] <VasilievVV>	^demon: try $this->addOption()?
[17:49:31] <domas>	thats bad
[17:50:00] <^demon>	VasilievVV: Found it right as you told me :p
[17:50:12] <^demon>	domas: Yes/shit/fuck/thats bad? Which one is it?
[17:50:24] <Splarka>	be sure to FORCE BR*ON scap ApiQueryUserContributions.php after?
[17:50:30] <domas>	^demon: go on with that index, I have some other troubles
[17:50:35] <domas>	I can sync that file myself
[17:50:36] <^demon>	Alrighty.
[17:50:56] <Splarka>	ooh, getting your hands dirty dom!
[17:51:38] <^demon>	Committing...
[17:51:50] <CIA-59>	03demon * r42735 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiQueryUserContributions.php: Use FORCE INDEX here, because Domas said we should :) All hail Domas.
[17:51:57] <AaronSchulz>	puh
[18:02:39] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED)  Use more flexible CSS instead of bgcolor attribute for inputbox bgcolor option - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5216  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[18:05:37] <CIA-59>	03mrzman * r42736 10/trunk/phase3/includes/PageHistory.php: add an id to form elements
[18:12:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Feature request: allow background color setting for <math> tags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15462  +comment (10crochet.david)
[18:16:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Compare selected versions should be a link, not a button ( JavaScript) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16165  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[18:17:54] <domas>	^demon: ghm, I don't see FORCE INDEX 
[18:17:55] <domas>	:(
[18:18:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Compare selected versions should be a link, not a button ( JavaScript) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16165  (10innocentkiller)
[18:18:30] <MrZ-man>	Mike_lifeguard: kind of a day late for JS bugs?
[18:18:45] <^demon>	domas: I added it to the code....hmmm
[18:18:53] <domas>	^demon: did you test it? :)))
[18:19:01] <Mike_lifeguard>	I wasn't really around yesterday. Not that I can really help anyways.
[18:19:17] <Mike_lifeguard>	but better late than never
[18:19:29] <Mike_lifeguard>	(or can I still claim "it's monday somewhere"?)
[18:19:31] <^demon>	domas: I'm looking at it again...
[18:19:59] <^demon>	VasilievVV: Mind poking at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/42735?
[18:23:45] <_mary_kate_>	'compare selected versions' should definitely not be a link.  why would anyone think that a good idea?
[18:24:04] <CIA-59>	03rotem * r42737 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Localization update.
[18:24:19] <_mary_kate_>	<a> links that perform form-like actions are a terrible UI
[18:25:11] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Error using importTextFile.php script - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16163  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[18:28:36] <^demon>	domas: I have to run out for awhile, don't really have time to look at this right now. I'd go ahead and open a bug so Roan/Bryan/etc all know about it...they'll know a proper fix.
[18:29:57] <domas>	hehe
[18:30:25] <ialex>	'USE INDEX'
[18:30:50] <^demon>	ialex: Go for it then. I've gotta run.
[18:35:43] <ialex>	domas: Error: 1176 Key 'user_name' doesn't exist in table 'page' (127.0.0.1)
[18:35:55] <domas>	hehe
[18:36:02] <domas>	it has to be on 'revision' table
[18:36:05] <domas>	not on 'page' table
[18:37:00] <ialex>	domas: Error: 1176 Key 'user_name' doesn't exist in table 'revision' (127.0.0.1)
[18:38:02] <domas>	ergh
[18:38:05] <domas>	it should be user_timestamp
[18:38:17] *ialex 	stabs domas
[18:38:20] <domas>	why me
[18:38:33] <domas>	stab someone else
[18:38:34] <domas>	I'm tired
[18:38:49] <domas>	I wonder how the query without predicate passed
[18:38:51] <domas>	that one was most evil
[18:38:53] <ialex>	now it works!
[18:39:23] <domas>	can you commit the fix? :)
[18:39:34] <CIA-59>	03river * r42738 10/trunk/extensions/ABC/ABC.php: add $abcDelayedRendering option, to prevent generation of any output from the extension itself
[18:39:52] <ialex>	sure
[18:40:29] <domas>	character sets in TCL is some kind of voodoo
[18:41:31] <_mary_kate_>	TCL: "This is your shell on acid"
[18:42:05] <AaronSchulz>	rev_user_text?
[18:42:36] <AaronSchulz>	ah, yes, 'user_timestamp'
[18:43:02] <CIA-59>	03ialex * r42739 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiQueryUserContributions.php: 
[18:43:02] <CIA-59>	Fixes for r42735:
[18:43:02] <CIA-59>	* option's name is USE INDEX
[18:43:02] <CIA-59>	* use the index is user_timestamp (per domas)
[18:43:02] <CIA-59>	* force it on the 'revision' table, not 'page'
[18:43:30] <domas>	teh awesome
[18:43:31] <ialex>	- use
[18:44:34] <domas>	something is wrong
[18:45:30] <ialex>	 /o\
[18:46:19] <domas>	damn
[18:46:20] <ialex>	domas: what's wrong?
[18:46:24] <domas>	computers hate me today
[18:47:36] <domas>	ialex: usertext_timestamp ;-DDD
[18:47:40] <domas>	I will fix this myself
[18:47:55] *ialex 	stabs domas (2)
[18:48:19] <AaronSchulz>	brion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fredrik_Olsen
[18:48:26] <CIA-59>	03river * r42740 10/trunk/extensions/ABC/ABC.php: need to commit the code that actually does the delayed rendering
[18:49:13] <CIA-59>	03midom * r42741 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiQueryUserContributions.php: usertext, not user :)
[18:50:21] <ialex>	domas: better? :)
[18:50:34] <domas>	ye
[18:50:34] <domas>	:)
[18:50:38] <Subfader>	why can't i use [ or ] in article titles? gives me a bad title error
[18:50:59] <MZMcBride>	Because they're not allowed.
[18:51:01] <MZMcBride>	Reserved for linking.
[18:51:27] <Subfader>	oh right. would cause problems.
[18:51:37] <Reedy>	use ()
[18:51:46] <Reedy>	and theres a way to change the page display title
[18:51:48] <domas>	phew
[18:52:10] *MZMcBride 	queries domas' user contributions using the API.
[18:54:05] <CIA-59>	03tparscal * r42742 10/trunk/extensions/SearchBox/ (. SearchBox.hooks.php SearchBox.i18n.php SearchBox.php): Initial import.
[19:02:55] <TrevorParscal>	Please notice that the new SearchBox extension is intended to replace the search and search2 modes for InputBox.
[19:03:34] <brion>	death to inputbox ;)
[19:03:39] <TrevorParscal>	Thus - bugs that are actually more of feature requests, should be handled by suggesting the users switch to the other extension which has more - and will continue to add more features
[19:03:51] <TrevorParscal>	as to keep InputBox simple, and perhaps let it die
[19:03:56] <brion>	TrevorParscal: got a sample page handy?
[19:04:00] <TrevorParscal>	CreateBox is around too
[19:04:17] <TrevorParscal>	I do on my local machine... :(
[19:04:20] <CIA-59>	03tomasz * r42743 10/branches/CentralNotice-SpecialPage-Integration/ (SpecialNoticeCentral.php SpecialNoticeTemplate.php): Removing weight checks for now. Adding more detail to notice view
[19:04:30] <TrevorParscal>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SearchBox
[19:04:41] <TrevorParscal>	if it were installed on mediawiki I could add a sample there
[19:05:24] <brion>	is the 'hide' param back-compat with inputbox?
[19:05:54] <brion>	if not i'd probably recommend going the opposite route -- make positive indications of which UI bits need to be shown
[19:06:02] <TrevorParscal>	no, but the hide param in InputBox is very non-descriptive
[19:06:02] <brion>	that way new things can be added without disrupting old use
[19:06:35] <TrevorParscal>	hmm ..
[19:07:11] <TrevorParscal>	i guess the thing is, that switching to SearchBox isn't going to work without modifying the code that refers to it
[19:07:41] <TrevorParscal>	it's parameters are done with the newer style (XML attributes) for instance
[19:09:07] <TrevorParscal>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Tag_extensions#How_can_I_pass_XML-style_parameters_in_my_extension_tag.3F
[19:11:00] *brion 	hmms
[19:11:08] <TrevorParscal>	This extension is 1.5 and beyond compatible
[19:11:15] <brion>	another issue actually is being able to put template paramters into those, that may be an issue
[19:11:27] <brion>	a parser function hook will be more flexible with that
[19:11:32] <TrevorParscal>	I need to do parsing on the labels
[19:11:42] <CIA-59>	03siebrand * r42744 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesEs.php MessagesJa.php MessagesKsh.php MessagesMs.php): Localisation updates special page aliases from Betawiki.
[19:11:44] <TrevorParscal>	or - yes.. thats an idea
[19:11:51] <brion>	{{#searchbox|label=Search project pages|namespace=Wikipedia}} etc
[19:12:16] <TrevorParscal>	whats the advantage to using that?
[19:12:46] <brion>	{{#searchbox|label={{{searchlabel}}}|bla bla}}
[19:12:58] <brion>	can pass stuff through in a template parameter
[19:14:04] <TrevorParscal>	ok
[19:14:14] <TrevorParscal>	so, should I make it work either way?
[19:14:33] <TrevorParscal>	then on 1.7 or hig
[19:14:43] <TrevorParscal>	*higher, it can work as a parser function as well?
[19:14:45] <ialex>	you can use {{#tag:...}}
[19:15:41] <TrevorParscal>	brion: your missing the pumpkin contest
[19:16:03] <brion>	aww
[19:16:45] <AaronSchulz>	brion? :(
[19:16:50] <brion>	oy AaronSchulz 
[19:17:02] *AaronSchulz 	feels neglected
[19:17:14] <brion>	TrevorParscal: just make it work on current versions imho :)
[19:17:21] *brion 	huggles AaronSchulz 
[19:19:55] <TrevorParscal>	brion: it seems like a sort of complex (potentially) thing to make into a parser function because of how many parameters there could be, and given that the idea was to branch from InputBox because of feature bloat making InputBox a mess, it's likley that this extension will end up with lots more features, further making it more complex to use as a parser function - do you not agree?
[19:21:39] <TrevorParscal>	making it able to be referenced in other languages though - thats a very good thing
[19:23:12] <brion>	TrevorParscal: in theory a parser function should be no more complex than a parser tag hook to use, and the ability to control it more actively via templates may simplify actual usage
[19:23:16] <brion>	anyway, just a thought :)
[19:28:41] <jbinder>	What is the variable that stores what page you're on?
[19:29:46] <ialex>	{{PAGENAME}} (or {{FULLPAGENAME}} with namespace)
[19:31:14] <VasilievVV>	brion: sorry for being so annoying... May you review CloseWikis right now, or I should wait [insert any timespan here]?
[19:31:36] <brion>	VasilievVV: i ain't gonna get to it this week, i can tell you that
[19:31:50] <Reedy>	VasilievVV, hey, any ideas when you'll get round to my big special pages api feature request?
[19:31:54] <brion>	if it's not administrative stuff, backups, or fundraiser-related i won't be able to touch it for a few days
[19:32:01] <VasilievVV>	I see
[19:33:29] <tomwitt>	Hi all.  Intermediate mediawiki user here.  Is there a way to include tables in an ordered (or unordered list) such that the table is indented at the current list item level?
[19:36:29] <jbinder>	How come when I put my google adsense code in the sidebar it doesn't show it?
[19:37:38] <ialex>	jbinder: are you using Google AdSense 2?
[19:41:42] <Duesentrieb>	tomwitt: use html syntax for the list.
[19:41:54] <Duesentrieb>	tomwitt: otherwise, any block-level code will terminate the list.
[19:52:05] <tomwitt>	Duesentrieb: Thanks!
[20:08:51] <Huck>	Catch XXII problem after upgrade of MW 1.11 -> 1.13. I disable to view generally everything (except of whitelisted pages) until status emailconfirmed is reached. However now in MW 1.13.2 the user is forbidden to 'view' even Special:ConfirmEmail/9983df...
[20:09:37] <Skizzerz>	Huck: Make sure teh Special:ConfirmEmail is in the list of whitelisted pages
[20:09:43] <Skizzerz>	*that
[20:09:52] *Skizzerz 	wonders how he managed to typo that... >_>
[20:15:50] <CIA-59>	03aaron * r42745 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialUndelete.php: Don't use public-audience-only function
[20:17:41] <Huck>	I whitelist "Special:ConfirmEmail", "Special:ConfirmEmail*", "Special:ConfirmEmail/*" as well as former "Speci�ln�:Confirmemail" (cs - czech version) but no chance to get thru.
[20:19:31] <CIA-59>	03soxred93 * r42746 10/trunk/extensions/Renameuser/SpecialRenameuser_body.php: Reserve old names should not be done by default, as this takes username options away from users.
[20:26:07] <CIA-59>	03huji * r42747 10/trunk/extensions/Renameuser/SpecialRenameuser.i18n.php: Localisation updates: Verb tense didn't match that of other log messages
[20:27:29] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Remove "hits" from CAPTCHA dictionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16166 minor; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (nospam)
[20:27:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Redirect loop - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16143  (10stevend811)
[20:28:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Redirect loop - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16143  (10stevend811)
[20:28:53] <FunPika>	patch for bug 16143 attached
[20:28:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) FancyCaptcha should have blacklist for string combinations - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10408  (10nospam)
[20:36:23] <jbinder>	How come in MediaWiki:Sidebar I got rid of * TOOLBOX but the toolbox is still there?
[20:36:38] <Skizzerz>	it's always there
[20:36:45] <Skizzerz>	the * TOOLBOX thing just lets you relocate it
[20:36:49] <jbinder>	:(
[20:36:50] <FunPika>	those only exist to allow you to move the toolbox, not *re*move
[20:36:51] <Skizzerz>	same with search
[20:36:57] <jbinder>	I can't get rid of it?
[20:37:02] <Skizzerz>	not without editing the skin
[20:37:09] <jbinder>	meh lol
[20:37:10] <Skizzerz>	or by using CSS
[20:37:15] <FunPika>	why would you want to anyways?
[20:37:26] <jbinder>	Idk, I wanted to put an ad where it is
[20:37:37] <FunPika>	couldn't you put it under the toolbox?
[20:37:46] <jbinder>	I guess, lol.
[20:37:48] <jbinder>	or above
[20:38:23] <jbinder>	Ok well that leads me to my next problem
[20:38:36] <jbinder>	I can't get my google adsense ad to appear in the sidebar
[20:38:48] <FunPika>	are you using an extension to do that?
[20:39:06] <jbinder>	No, I'm supposed to? I thought I can just put the HTML/javascript right in.
[20:39:24] <FunPika>	are you editing the source of the software?
[20:39:33] <FunPika>	or just adding something to MediaWiki:Sidebar?
[20:39:33] <jbinder>	I'm editing MediaWiki:Sidebar
[20:39:41] <FunPika>	no, that won't work
[20:39:44] <jbinder>	ah ok
[20:39:59] <FunPika>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Google_AdSense_2
[20:40:01] <FunPika>	Try that
[20:41:44] <jbinder>	It says to download it but where do I download it from?
[20:42:05] <FunPika>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:ExtensionDistributor/GoogleAdSense
[20:42:18] <jbinder>	How did you find that? from the other page
[20:42:32] <FunPika>	actually...crap that won't work unless you are running the dev version
[20:42:48] <FunPika>	and most people will probably be running 1.13 or lower
[20:43:26] <Skizzerz>	FunPika: ...
[20:43:29] <jbinder>	I have 1.13.2
[20:43:31] <jbinder>	That's bad?
[20:44:00] <Skizzerz>	FunPika: no, that just means that the extension hasn't been BRANCHED to other versions, it doesn't mean it won't WORK for them. You have to check the extension page itself to see what it works with
[20:44:01] <FunPika>	Skizzerz: The doc page says that the extension needs 1.14+ 
[20:44:07] <jbinder>	Ugh lol
[20:44:36] <FunPika>	Last Version 	1.0 (2008-08-03)
[20:44:38] <FunPika>	MediaWiki 	1.14alpha or newer
[20:44:40] <FunPika>	License 	MIT
[21:01:40] <Huck>	MW 1.13.2 - Now I whitelisted "Speci�ln�:ConfirmEmail" (a bit counterintuitive). Now I can get thru and get 'confirmemail' page but the emailconfirmed status is not set either! After login and an attempt to browse the wiki I get 'badaccess'.
[21:02:05] <jbinder>	FunPika: So what do you suggest I do since I have 1.13.2?
[21:02:08] <jbinder>	Editing a skin?
[21:02:18] <RoanKattouw>	Huck: You did get an e-mail sent to your e-mail address and click the link in it?
[21:02:27] <Huck>	sure
[21:02:57] <RoanKattouw>	Hmm
[21:03:10] <RoanKattouw>	And you did get a message saying your e-mail was confirmed?
[21:03:33] <Huck>	Wiki Page (in browser) saying that.
[21:03:40] <RoanKattouw>	Hmm
[21:04:24] <RoanKattouw>	Please go to http://www.mywiki.com/w/api.php?action=query&meta=userinfo&uiprop=groups and paste the output of that in the pastebin
[21:04:35] <RoanKattouw>	(replace www.mywiki.com/w/ with the path to index.php )
[21:08:28] <RoanKattouw>	Huck: Please do the api.php thingy I mentioned above
[21:14:03] <Huck>	pasted http://rafb.net/p/0xgHDi98.html
[21:14:23] <RoanKattouw>	Huck: It seems you're not logged in
[21:14:28] <RoanKattouw>	Oh wait
[21:14:30] <RoanKattouw>	*facepalm*
[21:14:40] <RoanKattouw>	You've got $wgGroupPermissions['read']['*'] = false; of course
[21:15:09] <Huck>	 $wgGroupPermissions['*'] ['read'] = false
[21:17:32] <jbinder>	How come on wikipedia the format is *.org/wiki/Main_Page but mine is *.com/index.php?title=Main_Page
[21:17:48] <RoanKattouw>	!shorturl
[21:17:48] --mwbot--	To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL>. There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem
[21:22:34] <CIA-59>	03aaron * r42748 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialMergeHistory.php: Paranoid page table check
[21:24:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Remove "hits" from CAPTCHA dictionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16166  (10Platonides)
[21:25:22] <CIA-59>	03aaron * r42749 10/trunk/phase3/includes/PageHistory.php: Spacing tweaks
[21:26:19] <brion>	crap
[21:26:21] <brion>	svn: Failed to add directory 'extensions/InputBox': object of the same name already exists
[21:26:28] <brion>	sometry try to rename inputbox?
[21:47:21] <titosantana>	using the namespace approach those images would be visible 
[21:47:22] <titosantana>	even with the permissions?
[21:47:37] <bloub>	hi all
[21:48:05] <Duesentrieb>	titosantana: yes, unless you use some very special setup & hacks to prevent that
[21:48:26] <Duesentrieb>	titosantana: normally, image files are served directly by the webserver. mediawiki doesn't even get asked.
[21:49:18] <CIA-59>	03aaron * r42750 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/specialpages/ProblemPages_body.php: Set $x = 2
[21:49:28] <Duesentrieb>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Image_Authorisation
[22:07:04] *brion 	wishes svn handled case renames better on case-insensitive filesystems
[22:11:50] <chuck>	How do I apply a patch made with svn diff?
[22:12:00] <RoanKattouw>	With patch?
[22:19:44] <CIA-59>	03charlie * r42751 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (DefaultSettings.php RecentChange.php): 
[22:19:44] <CIA-59>	Added a new configuration setting called $wgRC2UDPInterwikiPrefix that will
[22:19:44] <CIA-59>	prefix the page name in the UDP feed with the Interwiki prefix specified
[22:19:44] <CIA-59>	in the $wgLocalInterwiki variable.
[22:21:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:WantedFiles does not look on shared repositories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15688  (10N/A)
[22:26:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:WantedFiles does not look on shared repositories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15688  (10brion)
[22:30:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:WantedFiles does not look on shared repositories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15688  (10innocentkiller)
[22:58:21] <techman224>	Hey brion, is it possible to change the New message box at the top?
[22:58:44] <techman224>	when someone changes my talk page
[23:00:09] <siebrand>	techman224: use [[MediaWiki:x]] where x can be: youhavenewmessages, newmessageslink, newmessagesdifflink, or youhavenewmessagesmulti.
[23:01:31] <CIA-59>	03btongminh * r42752 10/trunk/extensions/NssMySQLAuth/NssMySQLAuthPlugin.php: Added Special:Userrights support
[23:01:37] <brion>	and of course you can change the styles by overriding your MediaWiki:Common.css etc
[23:02:32] <techman224>	siebrand: Just for me
[23:02:40] <techman224>	I want to use it for wikipedia
[23:02:53] <siebrand>	dunno.
[23:02:59] <RoanKattouw>	I don't think that's possible
[23:03:09] <brion>	custom css and/or js could do that
[23:03:34] <techman224>	do I have to edit monobook.css?
[23:03:49] <techman224>	my monobook.css
[23:15:10] <CIA-59>	03charlie * r42753 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: Forgot to update RELEASE-NOTES for r42749
[23:18:03] <MrZ-man>	techman224: if you just want to change the colors and stuff you can do it with CSS, but if you want to change the text you need JS
[23:18:09] <CIA-59>	03nad * r42754 10/trunk/extensions/RecordAdmin/ (. SpecialRecordAdmin.php): New extension for handling records with HTML forms
[23:18:44] <techman224>	MrZ-man: Which .css file do I need to edit?
[23:19:07] <MrZ-man>	If you use monobook, [[Special:Mypage/monobook.css]]
[23:19:46] <techman224>	what do I need to edit?
[23:19:54] <techman224>	in it?
[23:20:00] *siebrand 	grumbles.
[23:20:05] <MrZ-man>	depends what you want to do
[23:20:26] <MrZ-man>	the new messages box has class=usermessage
[23:20:36] <techman224>	I want to change the talk page "new message" box at the yop
[23:20:41] <MrZ-man>	so .usermessage { CSS code }
[23:21:02] <MrZ-man>	where CSS code is the code for whatever you want to change
[23:21:11] <siebrand>	Hmm, how soon should mediawiki.org know about r42754? (it does not yet)
[23:22:05] <MrZ-man>	if you want to change the background color, something like:
[23:22:05] <MrZ-man>	.usermessage {  background-color: #77DD77; }
[23:22:34] <chuck>	siebrand: If my new extension has been imported into betawiki, will someone eventually translate the messages?
[23:22:39] <MrZ-man>	http://www.w3schools.com/css/
[23:22:56] <siebrand>	chuck: if you are lucky: yes.
[23:23:41] <siebrand>	chuck: which extension are you talking about?
[23:23:59] <chuck>	siebrand: SharedUserRights, there are only like 4 messages to translate
[23:24:17] <techman224>	MrZ-man: Can you put a test message to my talk page
[23:24:37] <siebrand>	chuck: I think you missed the commit that added 7 languages to it. Right?
[23:24:37] <techman224>	MrZ-man:User:Techman224
[23:25:01] <chuck>	:D
[23:25:05] <chuck>	siebrand: betawiki rocks!!!
[23:25:18] <techman224>	MrZ-man: on en wikpedia
[23:26:07] <MrZ-man>	okay
[23:26:26] <siebrand>	we know... We just need more translator to come back more often. Currently only ~20 languages have almost everything translated. Out of the 250 odd languages that have a Wikimedia project, only some 100 have translated more than 500 of the most often used messages.
[23:26:56] <siebrand>	daily updated stats are on http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:Group_statistics
[23:29:06] <techman224>	MrZ-man: It didn't work
[23:29:19] <RoanKattouw>	!purge
[23:29:19] --mwbot--	To purge a cached page, such as when making changes to the navigation bar, add &action=purge to the end of the page url, or ?action=purge if using Simple URLs. E.g: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page?action=purge
[23:29:19] <MrZ-man>	did you bypass your cache?
[23:29:25] <RoanKattouw>	!cache
[23:29:25] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "cache". You might try: !memcached !purge !refresh 
[23:29:29] <RoanKattouw>	!refresh
[23:29:29] --mwbot--	Your browser saves copies of pages it views so it doesn't download them again next time. This is usually good, but it can take several days to update CSS and JavaScript when they change. To force it to update ("refresh") in Firefox, press [CTRL] and [R] at the same time; for other browsers and more information, see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bypass_your_cache>.
[23:30:17] <techman224>	MrZ-man: Try again
[23:30:36] <MrZ-man>	okay
[23:31:39] <techman224>	MrZ-man: It didn't work again
[23:33:50] <techman224>	MrZ-man: I'm trying to get this template "Template:Talkback" to replace the "new message" box at the top when there's a new message for me
[23:34:25] <MrZ-man>	you can't do that with CSS
[23:35:04] <techman224>	MrZ-man: with js?
[23:35:11] <MrZ-man>	yes
[23:36:38] <techman224>	MrZ-man: How?
[23:36:55] <MrZ-man>	ask on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_User_scripts/Requests