[00:04:21] <werdnus>	brion: For new users on enwiki, we have a 'new article wizard', and there's an 'upload wizard' on commons. Do you think they should be softwareized?
[00:06:18] <CIA-59>	03tparscal * r42859 10/branches/CentralNotice-SpecialPage-Integration/SpecialNoticeTranslate.php: Added goal field.
[00:07:18] <Simetrical>	Oh no!  Knuth checks are no more!  :(  http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/news08.html
[00:09:36] *werdnus 	drags himself away from the computer
[00:10:20] *Wateva 	does the same and goes to the gym.. ;)
[00:10:29] <Wateva>	c ya and thanks for all the fish..
[00:10:32] <Wateva>	:P
[00:11:54] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Bug with new SMW 1.4 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16191 major; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic Forms; (dasch_87)
[00:13:22] <Simetrical>	And woo-hoo, huge blow to software patents in the US.
[00:13:50] <CIA-59>	03tparscal * r42860 10/branches/CentralNotice-SpecialPage-Integration/SpecialNoticeTemplate.php: Restricted template names to [A-Za-z0-9\_]
[00:14:23] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Red link on "-0" when not using $wgBabelUseLevelZeroCategory - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16192 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Babel; (siebrand)
[00:16:40] <CIA-59>	03brion * r42861 10/branches/CentralNotice-SpecialPage-Integration/SpecialNoticeText.php: now pulling from stuff! neat!
[00:17:45] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) CodeReview e-mail notification is in commenter's language - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16193 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CodeReview; (siebrand)
[00:25:05] <CIA-59>	03tparscal * r42862 10/branches/CentralNotice-SpecialPage-Integration/CentralNotice.i18n.php: Added no-templates
[00:25:56] <CIA-59>	03tparscal * r42863 10/branches/CentralNotice-SpecialPage-Integration/SpecialNoticeTranslate.php: Added message when no templates exist.
[00:27:14] <CIA-59>	03tparscal * r42864 10/branches/CentralNotice-SpecialPage-Integration/ (CentralNotice.i18n.php SpecialNoticeTranslate.php): Extended classification on no-templates to no-templates-translate to avoid future name collisions.
[00:29:52] <CIA-59>	03tparscal * r42865 10/branches/CentralNotice-SpecialPage-Integration/CentralNotice.i18n.php: Added no-templates
[00:30:08] <CIA-59>	03tparscal * r42866 10/branches/CentralNotice-SpecialPage-Integration/SpecialNoticeTemplate.php: Added message when no templates exist.
[00:32:52] <CIA-59>	03tomasz * r42867 10/branches/CentralNotice-SpecialPage-Integration/ (CentralNotice.i18n.php SpecialNoticeCentral.php): not displaying notices form if no notices are present
[00:41:37] <CIA-59>	03brion * r42868 10/branches/CentralNotice-SpecialPage-Integration/SpecialNoticeText.php: show non-replaced bits
[00:46:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Increase or remove rate limit for rollbacker group - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12760  (10public)
[00:47:39] <CIA-59>	03tparscal * r42869 10/branches/CentralNotice-SpecialPage-Integration/SpecialNoticeCentral.php: Added All Languages option.
[00:50:19] <lymeca>	IS there a channel specifically for Semantic MediaWiki?
[00:51:19] <CIA-59>	03tomasz * r42870 10/branches/CentralNotice-SpecialPage-Integration/SpecialNoticeCentral.php: changing default assigned weight for templates to 100
[01:03:46] <bnjmn>	i'm getting a "This category currently contains no pages or media." on a category page that I KNOW has a page in it...
[01:03:50] <bnjmn>	what's up with that?
[01:04:34] <carl-m>	bnjmn: which category? 
[01:04:38] <carl-m>	or is this a private wiki? 
[01:06:07] <bnjmn>	nm i think i fixed it
[01:06:10] <bnjmn>	private wiki :(
[01:06:30] <bnjmn>	sorry i are dumb, no problem
[01:13:42] <CIA-59>	03tparscal * r42871 10/branches/CentralNotice-SpecialPage-Integration/ (3 files): Fixed menu state. Added preview and edit.
[01:46:31] <CIA-59>	03brion * r42872 10/branches/CentralNotice-SpecialPage-Integration/ (CentralNotice.php rebuildTemplates.php): static file pull option now works
[01:55:11] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Poem introduces multiple <br> linebreaks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16194 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Poem; (hartman)
[02:03:06] <CIA-59>	03brion * r42873 10/branches/CentralNotice-SpecialPage-Integration/SpecialNoticeText.php: don't barf "undefined" into the sitenotice when there's no active notice :)
[02:05:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Poem introduces multiple <br> linebreaks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16194  (10brion)
[02:14:51] <Danny_B>	TrevorParscal: here?
[02:15:29] <TrevorParscal>	yes
[02:15:57] <Danny_B>	TrevorParscal: buttonlabel no longer works in inputbox. i am not able to find out if it's caused by your splitting of the main file or by changes after that,but it seems to me the first is the cause
[02:16:51] <TrevorParscal>	where is it broken - your local copy or wikipedia?
[02:17:09] <TrevorParscal>	because the wikipedia version is not up to date as per my refactoring
[02:17:10] <TrevorParscal>	yet
[02:18:48] <Danny_B>	any wmf wiki runs apparently from r42593 so if you made any change after that and corrected it... i can't test atm on head
[02:19:26] <Danny_B>	however check http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Inputbox search for "add new rumor"
[02:20:02] <Danny_B>	buttons show default "submit" string given by browser or OS
[02:20:56] <Danny_B>	since value="" attribute is empty
[02:21:44] <Danny_B>	let me know if you'd like me to file a bug about that or you're going to fix it
[02:23:23] <Mike_lifeguard>	Would you like me to test HEAD for you, Danny_B?
[02:23:41] <Danny_B>	yes please
[02:27:17] <CIA-59>	03tparscal * r42874 10/branches/CentralNotice-SpecialPage-Integration/SpecialNoticeCentral.php: Fixed disabling glitch.
[02:27:27] <Mike_lifeguard>	Danny_B: Seems to work for me.
[02:28:20] <Danny_B>	good news then, thanks for help
[02:28:53] <Mike_lifeguard>	no problem
[02:31:45] <Danny_B>	brion: any chance we could synchro inputbox? default browser/os message in cs is very confusing and we already got bunch of questions about what does that mean and why it's there. and i guess other langs may experience the same problem since the default label is usualy "submit query" while there should be stuff like "create new <whatever>" etc... especially bad if you have multiple inputboxes on one page saying say create new word, create new idi
[02:31:45] <Danny_B>	om, create new abbreviation (wiktionary) or so...
[02:32:20] <brion>	Danny_B: is there a pressing need to synchronize it right this minute before the code's been reviewed, considering it's been broken this way at least for a few weeks?
[02:32:35] <Mike_lifeguard>	wait, let me test this again...
[02:33:47] <CIA-59>	03tomasz * r42875 10/branches/CentralNotice-SpecialPage-Integration/SpecialNoticeCentral.php: adding global wgNoticeProjects to language bar. adding update weight check for locked notices
[02:36:36] <Mike_lifeguard>	no, it looks to me like it works
[02:36:50] <Mike_lifeguard>	but I'm not aware of what was broken other than the buttonlabel
[02:39:31] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) query-continue incorrect for usercontribs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16195 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: API; (thecentercannothold)
[02:41:39] <Danny_B>	brion: i was just asking... i don't know your current plans about scap and your usual procedures in cases like this, and that's why i asked...
[02:42:47] <brion>	no worries
[02:44:28] <Mike_lifeguard>	anyone know what's required in localsettings.php to install deletionqueue?
[02:44:38] <CIA-59>	03brion * r42876 10/branches/CentralNotice-SpecialPage-Integration/SpecialNoticeText.php: switch the expand/contract from id to class, so it works if there are multiple items (say, during preview!)
[02:46:32] <Mike_lifeguard>	ahh, fixed
[03:01:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) query-continue incorrect for usercontribs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16195  (10thecentercannothold)
[03:02:19] <CIA-59>	03tparscal * r42877 10/branches/CentralNotice-SpecialPage-Integration/SpecialNoticeTranslate.php: Added automatic field name detection and inline previewing.
[03:06:07] <MZMcBride>	'lo Spl.
[03:06:45] <Splarka>	ra
[03:07:48] <Splarka>	haha, John McCain and Larry King as Waldorf and Statler
[03:08:41] <CIA-59>	03tomasz * r42878 10/branches/CentralNotice-SpecialPage-Integration/ (3 files): not showing template forms when no data is in the system. adding create link within notice detail
[03:14:29] *MZMcBride 	stares at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ParserDiffTest/Frog
[03:14:45] <MZMcBride>	(Warning: large page.)
[03:17:32] <Splarka>	did the oldpp even support #tag or mw-redirect? 
[03:18:19] <CIA-59>	03tomasz * r42879 10/branches/CentralNotice-SpecialPage-Integration/SpecialNoticeCentral.php: adding hidden change field to not unset
[03:18:29] <MZMcBride>	I don't think so.
[03:19:07] <Splarka>	ahh, huge swaths of missing table code?
[03:19:19] <MZMcBride>	All sorts of strangeness.
[03:20:06] <Splarka>	much of which is expected, since the oldpp is barely accessable anymore, but hmm
[03:24:59] <CIA-59>	03brion * r42880 10/branches/CentralNotice-SpecialPage-Integration/ (3 files): fix for all-projects/all-language selection and multiple active campaigns
[03:27:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) suppressredirect right for Wikimedia sites - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14998  (10YourEyesOnly)
[03:29:32] <Splarka>	Devil on my shoulder: tell br*on to fix CN's javascript to use dom. Angel on my shoulder: Suggest br*on stop working, already 8:30pm, but use the fake sympathy to guilt him into considering better js...
[03:31:00] <Charitwo>	h*y sp*rkl*
[03:31:53] <Splarka>	***** *** ****
[03:32:07] <brion>	:D
[03:32:19] <brion>	Splarka: i had some sort of problem using dom last year, it crashed some browsers
[03:33:32] <Splarka>	damn you and your logic
[03:33:34] <brion>	ah, i think the inline styles didn't work in safari or some thing? i forget
[03:33:43] <brion>	anyway it was a bit annoying and i don't want to mess with it just yet ;)
[03:34:11] <Splarka>	<style> inside <body>?
[03:34:42] <brion>	bwahahaha
[03:34:51] *brion 	violates standards left and right
[03:34:52] <Splarka>	could use appendCSS now, heh
[03:36:38] *Splarka 	notes innerHTML is probably better to use, than document.write
[03:37:24] <Splarka>	MZMcBride: well, ?timtest=oldpp doesn't seem to work anymore, so it seems kinda pointless to even try debugging X_X
[03:42:19] <brion>	old parser is doomed
[03:42:22] <brion>	don't get too attached
[03:42:35] <CIA-59>	03tparscal * r42881 10/branches/CentralNotice-SpecialPage-Integration/ (CentralNotice.php SpecialNoticeCentral.php): Added all projects to new notice project list.
[03:43:51] <CIA-59>	03tparscal * r42882 10/branches/CentralNotice-SpecialPage-Integration/SpecialNoticeTranslate.php: Added - to the list of acceptable characters for parameter names.
[03:52:09] <CIA-59>	03tparscal * r42883 10/branches/CentralNotice-SpecialPage-Integration/ (CentralNotice.i18n.php SpecialNoticeTranslate.php): Removed bug that caused duplicate parameters and added counts.
[03:52:39] <Danny_B>	out of interest: are there any news about lua implementation?
[04:05:46] <CIA-59>	03tparscal * r42884 10/branches/CentralNotice-SpecialPage-Integration/ (CentralNotice.php SpecialNoticeCentral.php): Added project controls.
[04:12:27] <CIA-59>	03brion * r42885 10/branches/CentralNotice-SpecialPage-Integration/ (4 files): 
[04:12:27] <CIA-59>	Put $wgNoticeProjects format back since it's used in backend...
[04:12:27] <CIA-59>	Make per-language output actually work and not suck :D
[04:12:37] <brion>	ok, time to head home :D
[04:18:02] <thinkling>	hi folks. I have a page with some html tags in it. After upgrading from 1.11.x to 1.13.2, the </td> tags are showing up in the page output. Any pointers on what has changed? I've been working on moving <div>s onto lines of their own, with no change in output.
[04:20:11] <MZMcBride>	thinkling: Got a link?
[04:20:32] <thinkling>	MZMcBride: http://bbtctest.dreamhosters.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
[04:20:34] <Splarka>	mmm, I've heard of that before, sometimes when upgrading, sometimes when enabling tidy... does action=purge help?
[04:20:53] <thinkling>	nope, purge did not help.
[04:21:05] <MZMcBride>	Did you have Tidy enabled previously?
[04:21:08] <MZMcBride>	Is it enabled now?
[04:21:21] <thinkling>	not that I know. what would i look for? $wgTidy?
[04:21:28] <Splarka>	did your upgrade bridge the old-pp / new-pp gap?
[04:21:30] <MZMcBride>	$wgUseTidy I think.
[04:21:32] <MZMcBride>	!tidy
[04:21:32] --mwbot--	Wikimedia uses HTML Tidy, which allows mixed html and wikitables inside parser functions and templates. This can often be confusing for people copying templates from Wikimedia projects. For more information about HTML Tidy, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUseTidy>.
[04:21:52] <davidmccabe>	I'm not seeing a concise way to say,
[04:22:07] <davidmccabe>	$user1->isLoggedIn() && $user1->getID() == $user2->getID()
[04:22:08] <thinkling>	no wgUseTidy in LocalSettings
[04:22:10] <davidmccabe>	Maybe there should be a method for that.
[04:22:35] <MZMcBride>	Same ID for two users?
[04:22:35] <davidmccabe>	$user1->equals($user2) or perhaps $user1->isSameRealUserAs($user2);
[04:22:47] <davidmccabe>	MZMcBride: Testing equality of users, excluding anons.
[04:22:59] <MZMcBride>	Anons don't have IDs, do they?
[04:23:03] <MZMcBride>	Oh, excluding.
[04:23:04] <MZMcBride>	Heh.
[04:23:07] <davidmccabe>	They don't, that's why they're being excluded.
[04:23:07] <davidmccabe>	Right.
[04:23:18] <MZMcBride>	Silly prefixes.
[04:23:20] <davidmccabe>	In general, the User class has no standard equality conditions.
[04:23:41] <Splarka>	well, their ID == 0, no?
[04:24:16] <davidmccabe>	Yes, but I don't want to consider two anons to be equal.
[04:24:40] <MZMcBride>	thinkling: Try enabling it?
[04:24:58] <MZMcBride>	Or you can try enabling the old PP (assuming you're using the new one now...).
[04:25:22] <MZMcBride>	You are using NewPP.
[04:25:39] <thinkling>	I've been out of MW code too long to even know what NewPP is :)
[04:25:56] <MZMcBride>	The preprocessor was rewritten.
[04:26:11] <Splarka>	PHP must have some crazy 'is equal to and not equal to zero' logic, like ==!0==^_^... it has everything else counterintuitive
[04:26:22] <thinkling>	the problem seems to be triggered by the use of template expansion, <td><div>{{SomeTemplate}}</div></td> --> "</td>" gets rendered -- looking at the content of the Template 
[04:26:26] <davidmccabe>	hmmm, you're right splarka.
[04:26:47] <davidmccabe>	I hope you realize the real point here is encapsulation, though.
[04:27:10] <Splarka>	nope, but maybe you could divide one by the other
[04:27:22] <davidmccabe>	heh
[04:27:27] <Splarka>	if == 1, same user, if divide by zero error... well, you get the idea
[04:27:33] <thinkling>	hrm, missing </div> in the template content... I think that did it.
[04:27:44] <thinkling>	would wgUseTidy clean that up automagically?
[04:27:55] <Splarka>	not always
[04:27:59] <Splarka>	sometimes it creates such problems
[04:28:22] <thinkling>	law of conservation of unexpected snags?
[04:28:39] <MZMcBride>	Tidy is good if you mix HTML and wikimarkup in templates.
[04:28:58] <thinkling>	good to know, thanks.
[04:29:11] <Splarka>	when you create a feature, you also create a bug with the same negative spin, and an anti-do-something
[04:29:23] <Splarka>	when you create a bug, you also create a feature with the same negative spin, and a positively charged do-something
[04:29:30] <thinkling>	...an equal and opposite anti-feature.
[04:29:40] <Splarka>	features can become bugs, with the right spin change
[04:29:47] <thinkling>	clearly.
[04:29:48] <Splarka>	but the reverse is also true
[04:29:51] <Splarka>	"that's not a bug, that's a feature"
[04:30:44] <Splarka>	string theory tells it differently... that each program isn't really normal matter, just a series of strings...
[04:30:48] <thinkling>	in the end, all it was was malformed HTML in the templates. Sorry, should've dug deeper before popping in!
[04:44:45] <chuck>	How would I make it so that only certain user groups can view a page?
[04:45:21] <Splarka>	make another wiki, read protect it, prevent unapproved user creation
[04:45:34] <chuck>	mm no, that won't work :P
[04:46:02] <Splarka>	mediawwiki isn't made for read protection
[04:46:08] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access#Restrict_viewing_of_certain_specific_pages
[04:46:17] <Splarka>	see that big red shiny box? it is there for a reason
[04:47:19] <Splarka>	there are at least 15 vectors for info leakage, and no third party authorization extension is known to be air-tight against them all: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Security_issues_with_authorization_extensions
[04:47:44] <chuck>	Splarka: I was able to make a namespace only readable to one group a while back though
[04:47:54] <Splarka>	and did any other group have edit access on the wiki?
[04:48:12] <chuck>	Yeah
[04:48:14] <Splarka>	they can simply transclude the page in preview, for example
[04:49:38] <Splarka>	feel free to install one such extension, but I suggest if your job relies on that information not being leaked, you personally test each vector on that last link, and any others you can think of (web archives, public database dumps, whatever)
[04:49:46] <Splarka>	^you should
[04:50:23] <chuck>	It wasn't in an extension iirc
[04:51:40] <chuck>	Oh, nevermind, I think it was through Extension:Lockdown
[05:01:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10cyp)
[06:07:06] <_mary_kate_>	what does this mean in a perl regexp?  /foo(?:bar)baz/
[06:10:01] <MZMcBride>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:REGEX says it's a passive group.
[06:10:06] <MZMcBride>	Whatever that means.
[06:10:54] <Krimpet>	_mary_kate_, it means that pair of () won't be used as a subexpression
[06:12:21] <_mary_kate_>	so it behaves like /foo(bar)baz/ except it doesn't create an entry for 'bar' in the match result?
[06:12:27] <Krimpet>	Yep.
[06:12:33] <_mary_kate_>	thx
[06:13:23] <_mary_kate_>	does that apply to other groups inside it?  like (?:foo(bar)baz) won't create any references?
[06:13:35] <_mary_kate_>	or would i need (?:foo(?:bar)baz)..
[06:13:46] <Krimpet>	no, I don't believe so, you'd need to add ?: to everything inside.
[06:14:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) query-continue incorrect for usercontribs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16195  15enhancement->major (10thecentercannothold)
[06:17:49] <_mary_kate_>	208.80.152.22 - - [31/Oct/2008:03:26:45 +0000] "GET /wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1c/High_Moisture_Round_Bale_-_Sealing_Bales_Together_320k.ogg/seek=19-High_Moisture_Round_Bale_-_Sealing_Bales_Together_320k.ogg.jpg HTTP/1.0" 500 1315
[06:17:54] <_mary_kate_>	.ogg.jpg :-)
[06:19:58] <Splarka>	yah, silly, should be anim .gif *hide*
[06:22:08] *werdnus 	waves.
[06:23:33] <Splarka>	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1c/High_Moisture_Round_Bale_-_Sealing_Bales_Together_320k.ogg/mid-High_Moisture_Round_Bale_-_Sealing_Bales_Together_320k.ogg.jpg  whuy aint eht moovin? is mah internets brokd?
[06:26:11] <MattJohnston>	Looks like we've got a bug with CentralAUth
[06:27:41] <_mary_kate_>	MattJohnston: inconceivable!
[06:28:52] <BusyNeko>	NO WAI
[06:29:18] <MattJohnston>	_mary_kate_: Duplicate user names SQL error, which is something a bit weird. I'll put it on bugzlla
[06:29:37] <MattJohnston>	Since I assume User::addToDatabase (where it came from) or equivelant would check first to see if I was already there
[06:30:16] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Duplicate user entries causing error - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16196 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; (mattj)
[06:30:17] <MattJohnston>	I've just thrown it on bugzlla for now
[06:50:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Importing fails when using SQLite - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16123  +comment (10azhrael)
[07:10:25] <MattJohnston>	I really hate RTL-LTR changing as you type in URLs
[07:12:01] <DarkoNeko>	I hate it everywhere :)
[07:13:00] <MattJohnston>	Just changing as you type is confusing enough :p
[07:13:19] <CIA-59>	03aaron * r42886 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/CodeRevision.php: (bug 16193) Send message in receiver's language
[07:13:33] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) CodeReview e-mail notification is in commenter's language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16193  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[07:13:51] <MattJohnston>	We need a ?rtl=false param to mediawiki to force ltr
[07:14:51] <_mary_kate_>	if english was an rtl language, i'd learn to read it ltr to avoid having to use rtl ;)
[07:17:07] <MattJohnston>	:p (hmmm,  maybe my feature idea may be worth doing after all)
[07:18:21] <Splarka>	?rtl=false is prejudiced! &bidi or &dir ?
[07:18:56] <Splarka>	there are also some gadgets (mostly for textareas): http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-BiDiEditing2.js
[07:21:05] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) add {{#substr:}}, {{#head:}}, {{#tail:}} function - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16197 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: ParserFunctions; (anon.hui)
[07:28:15] <MZMcBride>	Why not a simple #coin: function...
[07:29:46] <werdnus>	{{#coinslot:<Name of victim>}}
[07:29:56] <werdnus>	red links for some people, blue links for others.
[07:30:08] <MZMcBride>	Tsk, tsk.
[07:32:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) add {{#substr:}}, {{#head:}}, {{#tail:}}, {{#len:}} function - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16197  summary; +comment (10anon.hui)
[07:50:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) add {{#substr:}}, {{#head:}}, {{#tail:}}, {{#len:}} function - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16197  +comment (10mattj)
[07:53:43] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Search and Go doesn't work on secure (https) I10L site - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16198 major; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (grin)
[07:56:22] <Splarka>	'wontfix' or 'duplicate' better for 16197?
[07:57:01] <MZMcBride>	Duplicate of a StringFunctions bug, maybe?
[07:57:39] <Splarka>	which? the 'install' one?
[07:57:58] <Splarka>	probably 'wontfix' if they can install stringfunctions for themselves, and 'dupe' if they want the functionality at wmf
[07:58:14] <MattJohnston>	Splarka: INVALID is better.
[07:58:36] <Splarka>	invalid as in, break their kneecaps?
[07:58:38] <MattJohnston>	If its already a feature, but you cant find the particular bug
[07:58:59] <MattJohnston>	Duplicate doesnt seem right though (unless they want it for WMF)
[07:59:19] *werdnus 	breaks MattJohnston's kneecaps.
[07:59:29] <MZMcBride>	Invalid.
[07:59:43] *MattJohnston 	is happy he wasnt standing
[08:00:26] <_wooz>	lo
[08:17:49] <GregH08057>	Hello?
[08:18:03] <MZMcBride>	!ask
[08:18:03] --mwbot--	Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[08:19:15] <GregH08057>	So I have an Article object, which I know to be a Category:Disambiguations page - however I cannot figure out how to retrieve the list of articles to which the disambiguations point.  Any tips on accessing that?
[08:20:57] *Splarka 	re-reads that a fourth time
[08:21:30] <Splarka>	ahh, the disambiguation system isn't very 'official', it is rather informal
[08:21:48] <Splarka>	not like categories
[08:22:00] <GregH08057>	So - short of parsing the page, am I out of luck?
[08:22:10] <Splarka>	well, there are things you can try, but...
[08:22:14] <Splarka>	basically, you have MediaWiki:Disambiguationspage
[08:22:27] <Splarka>	this is a list of templates, that you put on pages, making them disambiguations
[08:22:58] <Splarka>	this doesn't mean a whole lot, it doesn't categorize them automatically, but it does list links _to_ them at Special:Disambiguations
[08:23:44] <GregH08057>	Hmm, I have, for instance, a PHP Article object for the artcle on "orange."
[08:23:50] <Splarka>	so if you have say, lots of articles about [[Space]], being empty space, outer space, verb, noun, adjective, whatever... you might want anything linking to [[Space]] to link to the right page, so you'd check Special:Disambiguations periodically to find mislinked wikilinks
[08:24:23] <Splarka>	the contents of [[Space]] itself (other than having one of the listed templates, classically {{disambig}} but now of various names...) is entirely up to the users
[08:24:42] <Splarka>	usually a category referring to it as a disambiugation, and some links to the proper articles
[08:25:03] <GregH08057>	Aha, and there is a rather easily accessible member function for outgoing links? I recall the one for links pointing to the current artcile
[08:25:07] <Splarka>	here is an example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch_hunt
[08:25:10] <Splarka>	yah
[08:25:21] <Splarka>	but the problem is, there can be many more outgoing links than just the disambugations
[08:25:30] <GregH08057>	Boo. :(
[08:25:36] <Splarka>	for example:
[08:25:36] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square
[08:26:17] <Splarka>	note 'fielding' and 'cricket' and 'football' and such, as well as the link to Wikipedia:Disambiguation
[08:26:32] <GregH08057>	Yes, so I see.
[08:26:53] <Splarka>	category members, contrarily, are much more organized and behaved
[08:27:10] <GregH08057>	Yes, but the size of the category graph can grow quite enormous...
[08:27:52] <GregH08057>	Well, that placed me on the right track. Thanks. :)
[08:28:13] <Splarka>	anyway, it is easy to get links for a page.. (if you know php and sql and crap)
[08:28:27] <GregH08057>	I am familiar with all 3 of those technologies
[08:28:42] <GregH08057>	(most familiar with the last one, though...)
[08:28:47] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=links&pllimit=500&titles=Square
[08:28:59] <MZMcBride>	I am a disambiguation!
[08:29:14] <Splarka>	mmm, self deprecating sense of humor, A++ would help again
[08:29:33] <GregH08057>	Hah
[08:29:34] <Splarka>	(if tech support were ebay, but imagine more caps)
[08:29:42] *Splarka 	ambiguates MZM
[08:30:17] <Splarka>	Greg: you could do some intelligent preparsing though... for example: namespace 0, most likely
[08:30:43] <Splarka>	and if the link contains the page title minus anything after a comma or colon, at index zero
[08:30:55] <GregH08057>	That would take care of many extraneous links, but not all of the ones, as your Square example contains
[08:30:56] <Splarka>	like a link on [[Square]] called [[Square root]]
[08:31:17] <Splarka>	or even if the disambig page was called [[Square (disambiguation)]], strip the ()
[08:31:33] <GregH08057>	Just looking for "Square" would omit "# An astrological aspect of 90 degrees"
[08:31:45] <MZMcBride>	Are you looking just at en.wiki?
[08:31:48] <Splarka>	though the ones like [[Town square]] might pose parsing confusion
[08:31:51] <MZMcBride>	'Cause we just use a class="" ...
[08:32:00] <Splarka>	lies, en.wiki has no class
[08:32:23] <GregH08057>	At the moment I'm looking at the en.wiki data as the base for my research
[08:32:28] <MZMcBride>	id="disambig"
[08:32:37] <MZMcBride>	id, class. Tomato, tomato.
[08:32:44] <GregH08057>	But it would hopefully be extensible to any wiki-based data source.
[08:33:17] <Splarka>	ahh, the disambiguation is too freely open to be standardized
[08:33:21] <Splarka>	^system
[08:33:32] <GregH08057>	Indeed
[08:33:42] <Splarka>	ironically, the best litmus is to find pages that no longer link to disambiguations, and find what they previously linked to 
[08:34:16] <MZMcBride>	Well, some wikis like en.wiki standardized the tag used at the bottom.
[08:34:18] <GregH08057>	But if I can get it functioning on the en.wiki data, the work I'm getting paid for will be complete.
[08:34:18] <Splarka>	if [[Circle]] had a link to [[Square]] but no longer does, then maybe it was disambiguated, time travel to find it and maybe find [[Square (shape)]]
[08:34:30] <MZMcBride>	So with page parsing, it's possible to look for the appropriate id.
[08:34:36] <Splarka>	MZM: not much help, there are many links _outside_ that div that aren't disambiguations
[08:34:49] <MZMcBride>	Which is how the "edit this page" link includes an &editintro 
[08:35:04] <MZMcBride>	Oh, you're looking just for links? Meh.
[08:35:20] <Splarka>	he wants to find the disambiguation targets on a dab page
[08:35:50] <MZMcBride>	Disambig pages are supposed to have one link per bullet / line...
[08:36:05] <MZMcBride>	There's an editintro saying so.
[08:36:13] <Splarka>	<li>A modifier adjective, used when describing <a href="/wiki/Fielding_%28cricket%29" title="Fielding (cricket)">fielding</a> positions in <a href="/wiki/Cricket" title="Cricket">cricket</a></li>
[08:36:32] <MZMcBride>	{{sofixit}}
[08:36:37] <Splarka>	all of them?
[08:36:44] <Splarka>	took me exactly two guesses to find an example of such
[08:36:44] <MZMcBride>	Yes. Start now.
[08:36:51] <Splarka>	Witch hunt, and then Square
[08:36:56] <Splarka>	MZM: I don't care, but you seem to
[08:37:02] <MZMcBride>	I care less.
[08:37:09] <Splarka>	I was explaining to Greg how looking at the links wouldn't work
[08:37:28] <GregH08057>	It might not work perfectly, but since when is linguistics a science of perfection?
[08:37:51] <MZMcBride>	I was throwing out random facts from en.wiki.
[08:37:54] <Splarka>	since wiktionary ^_^
[08:38:17] *GregH08057 	laughs
[08:38:39] <Splarka>	MZM: and a javascript-enforced policy that isn't actually enforced isn't very useful for reliance on
[08:38:58] <Splarka>	(and by JS I mean the editintro)
[08:39:17] <MZMcBride>	Encyclopedias are never reliable.
[08:39:18] <Splarka>	you should request a feature for MediaWiki:Editnotice-disambiguations
[08:39:21] <MZMcBride>	We say so in many places.
[08:39:54] <Splarka>	[[Uncyclopedia:nobody cares]]
[08:41:39] <MZMcBride>	"Bad title"
[08:42:06] <GregH08057>	Would you like to create this page?
[08:42:36] <Splarka>	{{wfmstfunoob}}
[08:42:42] <MZMcBride>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Uncyclopedia:nobody_cares
[08:43:01] <Splarka>	MZM: is not a local interwiki, paste the text in preview
[08:43:17] <Splarka>	your linker script is lame if it treats all [[]] as http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=$1
[08:43:38] <MZMcBride>	My linker script works with legitimate interlanguage links.
[08:43:42] <MZMcBride>	[[de:STFU noob]]
[08:43:57] <Splarka>	guess what, not everything to the side of a colon is an interlang ^_^
[08:44:07] <Splarka>	noob!
[08:44:13] <MZMcBride>	MediaWiki is the one with the "Bad title" nonsense.
[08:44:19] <MZMcBride>	Why can't it just redirect me again?
[08:44:31] <Splarka>	[[mw:oh noes, MZM can't visit me]]
[08:44:39] <Splarka>	insecure
[08:44:45] <MZMcBride>	Insecure?
[08:45:12] <Splarka>	yes, insecure, if it isn't iw_local you don't get the magic 30x
[08:45:18] <GregH08057>	getBrokenLinksFrom ($options= '')  So is there a getFixedLinksFrom() method?
[08:45:23] <Splarka>	mw: on wmf is a good example, compare m: to mw:
[08:45:42] <MZMcBride>	But why can't uncyclopedia: simply be added to iw_local ?
[08:45:42] <Splarka>	mw: probably should be local, but uncyclopedia: shouldn't, of course
[08:45:50] <Splarka>	because WMF has no control over it
[08:45:52] <Splarka>	same for google:
[08:46:16] <Splarka>	heck, a slight config change on wikia could result in a redirect loop or something
[08:46:30] <Splarka>	local are ones you trust, or take culpability for
[08:46:35] <MZMcBride>	WMF also has no control over the content of its pages...
[08:46:53] <Splarka>	sure it does, lots
[08:47:02] <Splarka>	you can't insert <script> or raw http headers as an anon user
[08:47:15] <Splarka>	(ideally, anyways)
[08:52:55] <GregH08057>	Well, you've all been a big help.  Thanks!
[08:56:49] <MZMcBride>	The Bad title error could at least provide a link where it would redirect.
[08:57:01] <Splarka>	bugzilla
[09:01:44] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Bad title error should provide link to site if possible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16199 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (public)
[09:03:25] <Splarka>	mmm, I am not sure how you'd do that actually
[09:03:39] <Splarka>	the {{FULLPAGENAME}} returns Special:Badtitle
[09:03:53] <MZMcBride>	Well, the database has all the information necessary, so...
[09:04:03] <Splarka>	and the error message is abstracted enough that adding parameters to the message would be... unfun
[09:26:24] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) improve Special:ExpandTemplates with argument boxes - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16200 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (hendrik.maryns)
[09:58:56] <CIA-59>	03river * r42887 10/trunk/tools/upload-scripts/nsapi/ (. Makefile thumb-handler.c): experimental C version of thumb-handler.php
[10:10:18] <Nikerabbit>	gargh
[10:10:43] <Nikerabbit>	someone stop these "how can I restrict foo" on wikitech
[10:12:40] <CIA-59>	03btongminh * r42888 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/ApiCodeComments.php: Offset needs to be a TS_MW (FIXME: needs a different format for Postgres)
[10:13:07] <CIA-59>	03river * r42889 10/trunk/tools/upload-scripts/nsapi/thumb-handler.c: need to handle out of memory condition
[10:44:05] <CIA-59>	03raymond * r42890 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Linker.php: Fixing a Fatal error: Using $this when not in object context in F:\xampp\htdocs\wiki2\includes\Linker.php on line 1759
[10:46:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Deleting of pages with high number of revisions makes server cry - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11402  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[11:03:46] <youngage>	Hi everybody! I've got a question regarding virtual namespaces which I couldn't solve looking through the documentation.
[11:05:18] <youngage>	I'm writing an extension which transparently maps a part of the server's filesystem into my wiki - this is working so far.
[11:05:20] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) If PURGE command to Squid gets 404-cache miss, MW sends multiple retries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10383  +comment (10yann)
[11:06:55] <CIA-59>	03raymond * r42891 10/trunk/extensions/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
[11:06:55] <CIA-59>	Make accesskey configurable by a MediaWiki message using linker functions
[11:06:55] <CIA-59>	Per comment http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/42689#c488
[11:06:55] <CIA-59>	Attention: accesskey 'd' conflicts with the existing accesskey 'd' for 'delete'
[11:06:56] <youngage>	my problem is: links to my special/custom/virtual namespace "FS" are always marked red and get "&action=edit&redlink=1" attached to the link. I'm looking for a "DoesPageExist" hook but can't find one.
[11:08:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Deleting of pages with high number of revisions makes server cry - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11402  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[11:09:53] <youngage>	Which hook do I have to attach to in order to mark some/all pages in my virtual/custom namespace marked as "existant"?
[11:10:03] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/BrokenLink ?
[11:11:02] <youngage>	Thanks, somehow missed that - as I understand the check if that article/title exist is done before?
[11:11:13] <youngage>	Anyway this would be a workaround.
[11:11:38] <Splarka>	well, possibly during
[11:11:48] <Splarka>	note it was replaced by http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/LinkBegin and http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/LinkEnd
[11:12:32] <Splarka>	what you probably should do is dig through linker.php and find the closest hook to the existence check
[11:12:54] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Submitting page content with a Special template via Api causes 500 Response - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16201 major; normal; MediaWiki: API; (bugreporter)
[11:13:01] <youngage>	Splarka, thanks for the hint - I was searching in Article.php
[11:14:14] <Splarka>	in LinkBegin maybe you want to pass 'known' via &$options
[11:14:53] <youngage>	right now im using version 1.13, the docs say that LinkBegin is >=1.14
[11:14:58] *Splarka 	nods
[11:15:18] <wikibugs>	14(DUP)  Submitting page content with a Special template via Api causes 500 Response - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16201  +comment (10paul.copperman)
[11:15:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Don't show "permissionrequired" message when transcluding Special:OldreviewedPages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16188  +comment (10paul.copperman)
[11:17:05] <youngage>	Splarka, the existance check seems to be done in /includes/Title.php - correct?
[11:17:25] <Splarka>	dunno, but it looks overridable easily in Linker (1.14 anyway)
[11:18:03] <Splarka>	but you might wanna subvert all existence checks, like for backlinks/transclusions, true
[11:18:20] <Merlissimo>	is PaulC in this channel?
[11:19:48] <Merlissimo>	i reported the 500 error bug, but it is not related to 16188 (request was made via bot)
[11:20:25] <CIA-59>	03btongminh * r42892 10/trunk/extensions/CodeBrowse/ (5 files): Some initial code for an in-wiki SVN browser. Requires a patch to CodeReview/Subversion.php which I need to commit as well.
[11:26:07] <youngage>	Splarka, thanks for your help - got it working.
[11:26:11] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED)  Submitting page content with a Special template via Api causes 500 Response - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16201  +comment (10bugreporter)
[11:27:02] <Splarka>	rar
[11:33:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Submitting page content with a Special template via Api causes 500 Response - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16201  (10paul.copperman)
[11:53:28] <Sadr>	any way to easily purge all existing redirects?.. or alternatively make redirect pages not show on the 'all pages' list?
[11:55:16] <Splarka>	you can style them... in pages they are class="mw-redirect", in categories "redirect-in-category", and in allpages "allpagesredirect"
[11:56:45] <Sadr>	I'm sorry but, what do you mean by 'style' them?
[11:57:03] <CIA-59>	03river * r42893 10/trunk/tools/upload-scripts/nsapi/ (Makefile.solaris thumb-handler.c): 
[11:57:03] <CIA-59>	- add makefile for solaris/studio
[11:57:03] <CIA-59>	- support older glib versions without g_string_append_vprintf
[11:58:23] <Splarka>	for example, [[Flowers]] used on en.wp, which is a redirect, will produce:
[11:58:23] <Splarka>	<a href="/wiki/Flowers" title="Flowers" class="mw-redirect">Flowers</a>
[11:58:45] <Splarka>	class="" is primarily used for CSS styling. in a site-wide CSS you could make it a green link via:
[11:58:53] <Splarka>	a.mw-redirect {color:green;}
[11:59:53] <Splarka>	you could make all redirects italic, in pages/categories/allpages via:  .mw-redirect, .redirect-in-category, .allpagesredirect {font-style: italic;}
[12:00:46] <Sadr>	aaah, yeah that's a good idea, thanks a lot :)
[12:02:04] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Unidentified Security Exploit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16202 normal; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (tailorcat88)
[12:03:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Increase or remove rate limit for rollbacker group - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12760  (10roan.kattouw)
[12:04:42] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Unidentified Security Exploit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16202  +comment (10Andrew)
[12:08:42] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) query-continue incorrect for usercontribs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16195  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[12:15:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Don't show "permissionrequired" message when transcluding Special:OldreviewedPages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16188  (10roan.kattouw)
[12:15:30] <wikibugs>	14(DUP)  Submitting page content with a Special template via Api causes 500 Response - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16201  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[12:18:51] <CIA-59>	03river * r42894 10/trunk/tools/upload-scripts/nsapi/thumb-handler.c: 
[12:18:51] <CIA-59>	- fix vsnprintf()
[12:18:51] <CIA-59>	- log an error if cURL initialisation fails at startup
[12:18:51] <CIA-59>	- don't pass NULL to curl_easy_cleanup if initialisation fails
[12:18:51] <CIA-59>	- use \r\n instead of \n in errors
[12:37:07] <CIA-59>	03catrope * r42895 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/ApiCodeComments.php: Fix r42888: we've got Database::timestamp() for that
[13:03:24] <CIA-59>	03river * r42896 10/trunk/tools/upload-scripts/nsapi/thumb-handler.c: 
[13:03:24] <CIA-59>	- refactor request context into request_t struct, use this instead of passing around individual data
[13:03:24] <CIA-59>	- instead of buffering the entire thumb in memory, write it to the client as cURL reads it
[13:13:05] <wikibugs>	06(LATER) more "jump to" accessibility links needed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13765  +comment (10siebrand)
[13:17:28] <CIA-59>	03river * r42897 10/trunk/tools/upload-scripts/nsapi/thumb-handler.c: need to escape URIs before returning them in headers
[13:19:42] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Improve "Database locked" error message when editing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13746  +comment (10siebrand)
[13:22:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow for gadgets to be turned on by default - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13742  +comment (10siebrand)
[13:23:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Stale diff pages in cache - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13724  +comment (10siebrand)
[13:25:33] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Fatal Error when entering Spezial:Browse - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16203 major; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (dasch_87)
[13:29:04] <faceface>	is there a pod to mw conversion tool?
[13:29:22] <faceface>	or rather, which pod 2 mw tool is easy to use?
[13:30:22] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Fatal Error when moving page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16204 major; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (dasch_87)
[13:31:17] <faceface>	Did you mean: convert ipod to mediawiki   <- no
[13:31:35] <Duesentrieb>	what's "pod"?
[13:31:36] <werdnus>	no.
[13:31:38] <werdnus>	POD
[13:31:50] <CIA-59>	03grondin * r42898 10/trunk/extensions/RecordAdmin/BROKEN: Extension code broken
[13:31:52] <Duesentrieb>	uh?
[13:32:14] <CIA-59>	03siebrand * r42899 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/EditPage.php): (bug 13710) Allow to force "watch this" checkbox via URL. Patch by Max Semenik.
[13:32:21] <Duesentrieb>	"Plain Old Data Structures"?
[13:32:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow to force "watch this" checkbox via URL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13710  +comment (10siebrand)
[13:32:37] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Allow to force "watch this" checkbox via URL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13710  (10siebrand)
[13:33:30] <Duesentrieb>	this i suppose: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plain_Old_Documentation
[13:33:36] <Duesentrieb>	i'd probably go via html
[13:33:41] <Duesentrieb>	or write my own in perl
[14:08:53] <faceface>	Duesentrieb, seems this should work http://search.cpan.org/~jmcnamara/Pod-Simple-Wiki-0.05/pod2wiki
[14:11:10] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) edit page broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16205 04BLOCKER; normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (bertrand.grondin)
[14:11:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) edit page broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16205  normal->highest (10bertrand.grondin)
[14:11:45] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Add snapshots of pywikipedia to download.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13655  +comment (10siebrand)
[14:12:23] <faceface>	dooooooooh http://search.cpan.org/~jmcnamara/Pod-Simple-Wiki-0.09/lib/Pod/Simple/Wiki/Mediawiki.pm
[14:12:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) edit page broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16205  +comment (10siebrand)
[14:14:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) edit page broken - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16205  +comment (10lars-wikimediabugzilla)
[14:14:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Several channels missing from irc.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13646   +shell; +comment (10siebrand)
[14:23:30] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) PHP Strict Standards Issues - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13643  +comment (10siebrand)
[14:28:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) edit page broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16205  (10bertrand.grondin)
[14:30:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) edit page broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16205  04BLOCKER->normal; highest->normal; +comment (10siebrand)
[14:31:26] <CIA-59>	03mkroetzsch * r42900 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/ (includes/SMW_DV_Time.php languages/SMW_Language.php): Update for Type:Time (support ancient dates), still experimental
[14:31:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create a web interface for adding wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13626  +comment (10siebrand)
[14:39:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) edit page broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16205  (10paul.copperman)
[15:27:52] <CIA-59>	03river * r42901 10/trunk/tools/upload-scripts/nsapi/thumb-handler.c: put arguments the right way round
[15:31:38] <CIA-59>	03river * r42902 10/trunk/tools/upload-scripts/nsapi/thumb-handler.c: use the correct url for thumb.php
[15:36:05] <CIA-59>	03mkroetzsch * r42903 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/specials/SearchTriple/SMW_SpecialBrowse.php: Fixed bug 16203
[15:36:08] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Fatal Error when entering Spezial:Browse - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16203  (10markus)
[15:41:02] <Bryan>	Special:Code needs something to navigate
[15:41:25] <MZMcBride>	Hmm?
[15:41:53] <CIA-59>	03river * r42904 10/trunk/tools/upload-scripts/nsapi/thumb-handler.c: 
[15:41:53] <CIA-59>	- spell "no-cache" correctly
[15:41:53] <CIA-59>	- remove any existing content-type header so we don't send two
[15:41:53] <CIA-59>	- only send one error message to the client; don't try to concatenate two if several things go wrong
[15:42:11] <MZMcBride>	Yay for spelling.
[15:42:13] <Bryan>	MediaWiki (review notes | tags | authors) 
[15:42:20] <Bryan>	this should be shown on top of every page
[15:42:39] <Bryan>	I could actually do that
[15:43:34] <MZMcBride>	Well, it already has: Repository:	MediaWiki
[15:43:45] <MZMcBride>	So I would just add next to that, I suppose.
[15:44:53] <CIA-59>	03siebrand * r42905 10/trunk/phase3/languages/Names.php: Update native form for 'ay'
[15:47:40] <chuck>	Bryan: Go, code like the wind!
[15:48:01] <Bryan>	got other things to fix first
[15:48:13] <HelLViS69>	!list
[15:48:13] --mwbot--	http://lists.wikimedia.org
[15:48:30] <Bryan>	one of those is that wfTimestamp does not recognize ISOwhatever timestamps with decimal seconds
[15:49:09] <Bryan>	actuall it does
[15:49:11] <Bryan>	so
[15:49:20] <Bryan>	why is 2008-09-12T16:33:18.711388Z not recognized as one
[15:49:52] <HelLViS69>	sorry
[15:52:40] <CIA-59>	03river * r42906 10/trunk/tools/upload-scripts/nsapi/thumb-handler.c: add a missing (but not required) free_request() for neatness, + minor cleanups
[15:53:28] <CIA-59>	03btongminh * r42907 10/trunk/phase3/includes/GlobalFunctions.php: ISO 8601 timestamps can have decimal seconds
[15:56:32] <CIA-59>	03btongminh * r42908 10/trunk/extensions/CodeBrowse/ (5 files): 
[15:56:32] <CIA-59>	* Add repo list view
[15:56:32] <CIA-59>	* Fix file showing
[15:57:19] <CIA-59>	03btongminh * r42909 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/Subversion.php: Add getDirList method needed for CodeBrowse
[15:59:49] <CIA-59>	03river * r42910 10/trunk/tools/upload-scripts/nsapi/thumb-handler.c: fix formatting; check for " " rather than "%20" as uri is decoded already
[16:18:49] <CIA-59>	03tparscal * r42911 10/branches/CentralNotice-SpecialPage-Integration/ (3 files): Restructured the UI a bit.
[16:22:12] <CIA-59>	03jojo * r42912 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/ (Collection.body.php Collection.i18n.php): better progress
[16:23:14] <MZMcBride>	Roan: Re: bug 12760, it's an API reporting issue. I'll update the bug accordingly.
[16:33:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Increase or remove rate limit for rollbacker group - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12760  -shell ; +comment (10public)
[16:35:02] <CIA-59>	03tparscal * r42913 10/branches/CentralNotice-SpecialPage-Integration/SpecialNoticeCentral.php: Added extra logic to help make the state look right.
[16:35:48] <CIA-59>	03tomasz * r42914 10/branches/CentralNotice-SpecialPage-Integration/SpecialNoticeTranslate.php: setting previews to be from the set language
[16:36:05] <CIA-59>	03mkroetzsch * r42915 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/ (SMW_GlobalFunctions.php SMW_ParseData.php): Minor bugfix, check if MW 1.14 API is required for Revision
[16:36:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Increase or remove rate limit for rollbacker group - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12760  (10roan.kattouw)
[16:39:04] <Platonides>	does api action=protect correctly get the expiry time?
[16:39:18] <Platonides>	it's adding expirations on 1/1/1970 :s
[16:39:19] <RoanKattouw_away>	Platonides: What do you mean, 'get'?
[16:39:46] <RoanKattouw_away>	Hmm maybe those are invalid expiries; it should detect those and throw an error though
[16:40:01] <RoanKattouw_away>	And it should also detect expiries in the past...
[16:40:11] <Platonides>	i used expiry=infinite, which worked with edit protection
[16:40:49] <RoanKattouw_away>	Well it's kind of weird because Title::updateRestrictions() shouldn't allow invalid or past expiries to be added. That code isn't even *in* the API
[16:41:13] <Platonides>	I also tried with an explicit time int he future, 20091101000000 same result
[16:41:39] <RoanKattouw_away>	What result? 1/1/70 ?
[16:41:41] <Platonides>	the log clearly states i did the protections ending on 1/1/1970
[16:41:46] <RoanKattouw_away>	..
[16:41:46] <Platonides>	yes
[16:42:02] <RoanKattouw_away>	What happens when you apply the same protection through the UI?
[16:42:05] <Platonides>	but api result rreturns <protections><protection create="autoconfirmed" expiry="2009-11-01T00:00:00Z" /></protections>
[16:42:21] <Platonides>	ie. the expected one
[16:42:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) edit page broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16205  normal->04BLOCKER; normal->highest; +comment (10bertrand.grondin)
[16:42:53] <RoanKattouw_away>	Yeah. That would seem to mean that the API is not at fault, although it's not conclusive
[16:43:25] <Platonides>	using the UI it gets correctly protected
[16:43:33] <RoanKattouw_away>	...
[16:43:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) edit page broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16205  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[16:43:40] <RoanKattouw_away>	That's really weird
[16:43:57] <RoanKattouw_away>	I'm kind of busy now, so if you file a bug at BugZilla I'll look into it soon
[16:44:03] <Platonides>	ok
[16:44:53] <brion>	goooood mornin
[16:45:20] <RoanKattouw_away>	Morning
[16:45:48] <Platonides>	morning, brion
[16:46:20] <CIA-59>	03tparscal * r42916 10/branches/CentralNotice-SpecialPage-Integration/SpecialNoticeTranslate.php: Encapsulated the preview in a filedset.
[16:47:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10billclark)
[16:52:59] <CharlotteWebb>	is there some reason for auto-created SUL accts not to copy user_options from the user's home wiki
[16:56:56] <CharlotteWebb>	i was thinking particularly of the language preference, but others would be good too
[16:57:20] <Simetrical>	I seem to get English on all my SUL accounts.
[16:59:53] <CharlotteWebb>	well let me pick a random site i know i haven't been to before...
[17:00:37] <CIA-59>	03tparscal * r42917 10/branches/CentralNotice-SpecialPage-Integration/SpecialNoticeTranslate.php: Changed to unlisted.
[17:01:06] <CIA-59>	03brion * r42918 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/ (3 files): Display revision and comment timestamps in users local timezone
[17:01:49] <CharlotteWebb>	ok Simetrical http://fi.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Toiminnot:Loki&user=CharlotteWebb i visited the suomi (finnish) wp just now for the first time
[17:01:58] <CharlotteWebb>	and can confirm that it didn't auto-set to english
[17:02:28] <Simetrical>	Hmm, me too.
[17:03:09] <MZMcBride>	There are no global preferences yet.
[17:03:26] <MZMcBride>	And it doesn't pull from the home wiki when creating the account.
[17:03:46] <MZMcBride>	Can wikis have different preferences based on $wg variables?
[17:03:57] <MZMcBride>	They can, right? With things like ENotif?
[17:03:58] <Simetrical>	Yeah, I take it back.
[17:03:59] <CharlotteWebb>	i know. i'm saying that it should do the second until the first can be implimented
[17:04:01] <Simetrical>	I must have manually set things.
[17:04:01] <CIA-59>	03rotem * r42919 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Localization update for he.
[17:04:18] <MZMcBride>	CharlotteWebb: That assumes all wikis use the exact same preferences, though.
[17:04:49] <CharlotteWebb>	hmm anything site-specific should be stored separately, no?
[17:05:06] <MZMcBride>	Should be? Sure. But prefs are a giant blob.
[17:05:14] <MZMcBride>	It's quite ugly.
[17:05:28] <CharlotteWebb>	keyword schema-change
[17:05:35] <CharlotteWebb>	mmph
[17:05:38] <CIA-59>	03jojo * r42920 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.body.php: return decoded JSON as array, not as object
[17:06:00] <CharlotteWebb>	in that case i doubt there's any way to set prefs with the api
[17:06:40] <CharlotteWebb>	or would that probably be a security abyss :/
[17:07:09] <Simetrical>	CharlotteWebb, user_options can include stuff related to custom namespaces, etc.
[17:07:16] <Simetrical>	You'd need to initialize it on a case-by-case basis.
[17:07:24] <CharlotteWebb>	orly
[17:07:24] <Simetrical>	Not just grabbing the whole thing.
[17:08:29] <CharlotteWebb>	hmm. maybe i can rig up something in greasemonkey
[17:08:57] <CharlotteWebb>	to feel around for the preferences link and the language select menu, pick english and save
[17:09:15] <MZMcBride>	The preferences form is made of JS.
[17:09:30] <CharlotteWebb>	if wgUserLanguage is not "en"
[17:09:46] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) File wasn't restored despite log entry, Special: Undelete returns no matches - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16206 normal; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (mikelifeguard)
[17:09:50] <CharlotteWebb>	it is usable without js, i know this
[17:09:55] <CharlotteWebb>	it's just not broken into tabs
[17:10:07] <CharlotteWebb>	arranged vertically instead
[17:10:20] <CIA-59>	03tparscal * r42921 10/branches/CentralNotice-SpecialPage-Integration/SpecialNoticeTranslate.php: Always preview - removed unused code.
[17:10:21] <CharlotteWebb>	with section headings
[17:10:45] <Splarka>	maybe RoanKattouw will make a nice module for the API for updating a single pref with a token and POST... 
[17:10:48] <NICHO>	helo guys and girls
[17:10:49] <CIA-59>	03tparscal * r42922 10/branches/CentralNotice-SpecialPage-Integration/SpecialNoticeTranslate.php: Removed preview button.
[17:10:50] <Simetrical>	CharlotteWebb, you should be able to just type Special:Preferences into the search box, hit enter, and pick from the drop-down menu.
[17:11:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Page wasn't restored despite log entry, Special: Undelete returns no matches - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16206  summary; +comment (10brion)
[17:12:10] <CharlotteWebb>	yeah i but it's tedious to do it for several sites
[17:13:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) edit page broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16205  (10bertrand.grondin)
[17:15:36] <CharlotteWebb>	the other one i look for right away is "add pages I edit to my watchlist"
[17:16:06] <CharlotteWebb>	easier to find it after switching to english, but more tedious as i have to submit twice
[17:16:38] <MZMcBride>	Manipulating JS with JS should be easy, no?
[17:16:57] <Splarka>	roan (if you read this later), since you provide the options in the blob format, why not simply let them be writable/replacable that way, one at a time? like action=setpreference&token=d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e%5C%2B&option=language&value=en&oldvalue=fr
[17:17:55] <Splarka>	very annoying in the UI to have to send _every_ preference
[17:19:16] <CharlotteWebb>	yeah i'm gonna work on a greasemonkey deal for this
[17:19:31] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Page wasn't restored despite log entry, Special: Undelete returns no matches - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16206  +comment (10Platonides)
[17:19:39] <Splarka>	CharlotteWebb: should be pretty straightforward. just lots of opening tabs and closing them after
[17:20:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) edit page broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16205  (10paul.copperman)
[17:20:36] <CharlotteWebb>	na just do it on a per-visit basis if the wgUserLanguage isn't "en"
[17:22:22] <CharlotteWebb>	which will be helpful as i have another script that adds a translate button using these variables
[17:23:22] <CharlotteWebb>	whenever wgUserLanguage != wgContentLanguage
[17:24:21] <CharlotteWebb>	basically it adds the babelfish version in a gigantic iframe
[17:25:05] <Splarka>	CharlotteWebb: http://p.defau.lt/?kHgPVscaadHmEqDl1y7jdg
[17:25:06] <Splarka>	I imagine something like this
[17:25:23] <Splarka>	damn prefs form, the <form> has an ID but no name, the submit button has a name but no ID
[17:26:18] <Splarka>	the ^done would have a green checkmark favicon or something, then you could just scroll through and close off those tabs, heh
[17:27:39] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Protecting against creation protects expiring on the epoch - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16207 normal; normal; MediaWiki: API; (Platonides)
[17:27:52] *Splarka 	sees a missing . in documentgetElementById, but rest of code works
[17:28:18] <Splarka>	(and you could go through and check each <option> by index, but good browsers should support assignment to the value=""
[17:28:30] <bloubs>	I all
[17:29:04] <bloubs>	I have some troubles with a local copy of wikipedia from dump
[17:29:15] <bloubs>	some pages are missing (Portals...)
[17:29:15] <CIA-59>	03tparscal * r42923 10/branches/CentralNotice-SpecialPage-Integration/ (CentralNotice.i18n.php SpecialNoticeTranslate.php): Added a column name. Implimented preview as a static function.
[17:30:20] <Sean_Colombo>	I've noticed that the documentation still has $wgAllowExternalImages, but that doesn't appear to be supported in 1.13.2
[17:30:21] <Sean_Colombo>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgAllowExternalImages
[17:30:35] <Sean_Colombo>	(for instance, now an image URL just shows up as a link)
[17:30:55] <CharlotteWebb>	bloubs, you need a bigger dump if you want the portal namespace
[17:31:29] <CIA-59>	03mkroetzsch * r42924 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/ (3 files in 2 dirs): adjustment for MW 1.14 alpha as found in SVN
[17:32:27] <CharlotteWebb>	probably you have pages-articles.xml.bz2 but you need pages-meta-current.xml.bz2
[17:33:25] <CIA-59>	03mkroetzsch * r42925 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_ParseData.php: Fix bug 16204
[17:33:27] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Fatal Error when moving page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16204  (10markus)
[17:34:58] <bloubs>	Actually I downloaded the pages-meta-history and pages-meta-current
[17:35:12] <bloubs>	I can't figure out where the problem comes from
[17:35:22] <bloubs>	it's the french wikipedia dump
[17:36:17] <bloubs>	any idea ?
[17:37:57] <brion>	TrevorParscal: i ain't seeing my preview :(
[17:38:16] <TrevorParscal_>	tom has to commit his change to the template page
[17:38:20] <brion>	okays
[17:38:29] <TrevorParscal_>	case the preview is rendered with a static function on that class
[17:38:35] <brion>	aho
[17:39:03] <bloubs>	Is it possible that the dumps are incomplete ?
[17:40:06] <brion>	it's possible! what specifically about them, bloubs ?
[17:40:39] <bloubs>	I don"t have any Portal pages
[17:40:52] <Splarka>	Sean_Colombo: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/DefaultSettings.php?view=annotate  is still there on line 1597 and has been unchanged for 2y4m
[17:40:58] <bloubs>	and the project pages are missing as well
[17:41:54] <brion>	bloubs: did you configure your namespaces locally?
[17:42:06] <bloubs>	no
[17:42:16] <brion>	they may be in your database but not visible to you until you configure the namespaces then
[17:42:19] <bloubs>	I didn't know about that
[17:42:21] <Splarka>	before that it had been unchanged for 5 years 6 months... since the original creation of /phase3, yikes
[17:43:01] <brion>	bloubs: you can see the full list of namespaces on the wiki in the <siteinfo> section at the start of the xml (or check like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Export/Foo if you can't conveniently read out part of the raw xml dump)
[17:43:02] <Splarka>	(er, rather, 3 years as 'true', 2 years as 'false')
[17:43:10] <bloubs>	Actually, when I request for a Portal page that I know it exists, it's not in the DB
[17:43:23] <brion>	bloubs: is it there with namespace 100?
[17:43:44] <brion>	cause if so, it won't show up unless you've configured custom namesapce 100 to be 'Portal'
[17:43:56] <Sean_Colombo>	Splarka: the option still seems to be there, but it doesn't seem that the external images actually work anymore.
[17:44:32] <Sean_Colombo>	Splarka: I have wgAllowExternalImages set to true in my LocalSettings.php and external images show up as a text hyperlink instead of the actual image
[17:45:05] <Sean_Colombo>	Splarka: from previous comments in this room I *think* that was some intentional decision?  I'm not really sure though
[17:45:18] <bloubs>	brion: <namespace key="100">Portail</namespace> and <namespace key="102">Projet</namespace> appear in the xml files I got
[17:45:48] <bloubs>	Do you think I still have something to configure ?
[17:46:19] <Splarka>	Sean_Colombo: I still see maybeMakeExternalImage() in the Parser.php
[17:46:39] <brion>	bloubs: you have to configure the wiki you imported into
[17:48:09] <CharlotteWebb>	$wgExtraNamespaces[100] = "Portal";
[17:48:11] <CharlotteWebb>	$wgExtraNamespaces[101] = "Portal_talk";
[17:49:07] <brion>	mais en français ;)
[17:49:08] <Splarka>	Sean_Colombo: parse() -> internalParse() -> doMagicLinks() -> makeFreeExternalLink() -> maybeMakeExternalImage() -> if ( $this->mOptions->getAllowExternalImages() ...
[17:49:25] <CIA-59>	03grondin * r42926 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.hooks.php: 
[17:49:25] <CIA-59>	Fixing broken code after r42804: Revision::getTimestampFromId
[17:49:25] <CIA-59>	Applying patch proposed by PaulC in bug #16205
[17:49:28] <CharlotteWebb>	hehe
[17:49:38] <Sean_Colombo>	Splarka: Ah... i just did some tests on my wiki
[17:49:40] <bloubs>	actually when I do this request : select * from page where page_namespace=102; I can see the projects
[17:49:46] <bloubs>	wow, they are here !!!
[17:49:57] <Sean_Colombo>	Splarka: it seems that normal image URLs work, but possibly having problems with images that have URL parameters
[17:50:04] <Sean_Colombo>	Splarka: double-checking....
[17:50:04] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) edit page broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16205  +comment (10bertrand.grondin)
[17:50:05] <Splarka>	function getAllowExternalImages()           { return $this->mAllowExternalImages; }  ->  $this->mAllowExternalImages = $wgAllowExternalImages;
[17:50:12] <Splarka>	Sean_Colombo: what is the image link?
[17:50:46] <Splarka>	it must end in... hmm, gif/png/jpeg/jpg
[17:50:52] <Splarka>	per const EXT_IMAGE_REGEX = '/^(http:\/\/|https:\/\/)([^][<>"\\x00-\\x20\\x7F]+)
[17:50:52] <Splarka>			\\/([A-Za-z0-9_.,~%\\-+&;#*?!=()@\\x80-\\xFF]+)\\.((?i)gif|png|jpg|jpeg)$/Sx';
[17:50:53] <Sean_Colombo>	hmm
[17:50:56] <CharlotteWebb>	i thought mais was corn
[17:51:04] <Sean_Colombo>	neatl
[17:51:07] <Sean_Colombo>	hm
[17:51:28] <Sean_Colombo>	Splarka: awesome!
[17:51:33] <Sean_Colombo>	fixed my prob
[17:51:38] <Sean_Colombo>	so, i was linking to a .php
[17:51:53] <Splarka>	so add...
[17:51:54] <Sean_Colombo>	which makes an image.. but I added junk to the query-string which ended in .png and it worked
[17:51:56] <Sean_Colombo>	http://codeaholics.com/progressBar.php?width=500&percent=20&hack=.png
[17:51:59] <Splarka>	.php?pretendthisisa.gif
[17:52:02] <Sean_Colombo>	:)
[17:52:03] <Sean_Colombo>	haha
[17:52:04] <Sean_Colombo>	nice
[17:52:09] <CharlotteWebb>	hehe
[17:52:17] <CIA-59>	03tparscal * r42927 10/branches/CentralNotice-SpecialPage-Integration/SpecialNoticeTranslate.php: Used special preview code.
[17:52:19] <Splarka>	yknow, the structure of this php stuff is almost readable....
[17:52:27] <Splarka>	I almost... NO, arrg, I hate php, must not learn...
[17:52:31] *Splarka 	dips head in water
[17:52:35] <Sean_Colombo>	:D
[17:52:36] <Sean_Colombo>	hahaha
[17:52:37] <CharlotteWebb>	you should make a template for that hack
[17:52:47] <Sean_Colombo>	hmm
[17:52:49] <ashley>	Splarka: php loves you in return, though
[17:52:57] <Sean_Colombo>	CharlotteWebb: for what, wikipedia?
[17:52:58] <Splarka>	yah, loves in the prison sense
[17:53:04] <Sean_Colombo>	xD hehee
[17:53:22] <CharlotteWebb>	just in case you change to a different hack mid-way
[17:53:45] <bloubs>	brion, it's working now
[17:53:51] <bloubs>	thank you so much !!!
[17:53:54] <CharlotteWebb>	woot
[17:54:42] <CharlotteWebb>	if you are brave you could make <img> tag not be rejected by the sanitizer
[17:55:09] <brion>	:D
[17:55:50] <bloubs>	I have some other problems that I will try to solve
[17:55:58] <bloubs>	maybe I'll be back soon
[17:57:42] <Sean_Colombo>	CharlotteWebb: Is there a whitelist for tags that the sanitizer will allow?
[17:58:10] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Fatal Error when moving page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16204  +comment (10dasch_87)
[17:58:28] <Splarka>	Sean: they're defined in Sanitizer.php
[17:58:49] <Splarka>	by type, behavior, and nesting abilities
[18:01:08] <Sean_Colombo>	Splarka: on line 1227 it looks like img is in the whitelist but with certain properties... is there a way to make it so that 'img' is just plain allowed?
[18:01:20] <CharlotteWebb>	round about line 1135 has $whitelist = array (
[18:01:29] <Splarka>	dunno php, I sees it there too
[18:01:30] <CharlotteWebb>	my copy may be old
[18:01:40] <Splarka>	you might consider a parser extension tag named <img>
[18:01:50] <Splarka>	then you don't have to hack the sanny
[18:01:55] <Sean_Colombo>	hmm
[18:02:39] <Splarka>	special note: don't make it rely on <img />, but also work with <img></img> (even if that sounds nonsensicle), because #tag can't do self-closing
[18:02:55] <CharlotteWebb>	sounds like a bug
[18:03:01] <Splarka>	of course, output <img/>
[18:03:10] <Splarka>	how so? #tag can't see the future
[18:03:52] <Splarka>	tag names are arbitrary, sometimes based on the html tags they output, sometimes not
[18:04:08] <jftsang>	Hello. I have just set $wgGroupPermissions['*']['createaccount'] = false;, is there a way for an administrator to create new accounts?
[18:04:18] <Splarka>	some extensions relied on self closing for empty, like <references />, some relied on pairs, and #tag doesn't have a magic 8 ball to see all future extensions
[18:04:38] <CharlotteWebb>	jftsang, they will still be able to unless you purposely disable it for them too
[18:04:41] <Splarka>	so it was made simple, it always returned <open[ parameters]>[content]</close>
[18:04:49] <CharlotteWebb>	this came up on the mailing list a few days ago
[18:04:53] <jftsang>	CharlotteWebb: Yes, how do they do this?
[18:05:02] <Splarka>	they go to Special:UserLogin
[18:05:11] <CharlotteWebb>	do you want to disable it or enable it
[18:05:22] <CharlotteWebb>	for admins procreating new accts
[18:05:29] <Sean_Colombo>	jftsang: yes
[18:05:34] <Sean_Colombo>	jftsang: go to...
[18:05:48] <jftsang>	I want to allow administrators to make new accounts
[18:06:00] <Splarka>	they should be allowed
[18:06:03] <Sean_Colombo>	jftsang: go to your wiki and visit the page Special:UserLogin
[18:06:04] <CharlotteWebb>	ok they still will by default
[18:06:05] <Splarka>	it is sometimes hard to figure out how though
[18:06:07] <jftsang>	w/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&type=signup
[18:06:13] <Sean_Colombo>	yeh :)
[18:06:13] <jftsang>	Thanks, got it.
[18:07:10] <CIA-59>	03siebrand * r42928 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.i18n.php: article -> wiki page
[18:08:02] <Sean_Colombo>	i wonder if there are hooks i could add to just make <img> tags work again :-/
[18:08:11] <Sean_Colombo>	to add it to the whitelist somehow
[18:08:20] <Splarka>	check what <pre> does
[18:08:31] <Splarka>	it pretty much outputs what you input, although not exactly
[18:10:07] <Sean_Colombo>	Splarka: i just get the code for the image then :-/
[18:10:32] <Sean_Colombo>	Splarka: meaning, I can see the HTML
[18:10:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SVG image should have link to PNG version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6834  (10alexander_berlin)
[18:10:41] <Splarka>	er, did you just try <pre><img></pre> *facepalm*
[18:10:50] <Sean_Colombo>	lol, no
[18:10:57] <Sean_Colombo>	last section here: http://lyricwiki.org/User:Sean_Colombo/Sandbox/External
[18:11:16] <Sean_Colombo>	<pre><a href='somestuff'><img src='URL_HERE'/></a></pre>
[18:11:33] <Splarka>	*facepalm*
[18:11:35] <Splarka>	no no no
[18:11:40] <Splarka>	I mean, check how mw handles <pre>
[18:11:48] <Splarka>	it doesn't handle it like <div> or <br> or <span>
[18:11:57] <Sean_Colombo>	OH
[18:12:04] *Splarka 	smacks you with clue-by-four
[18:12:34] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Tag_extensions
[18:13:11] <Splarka>	what you'd do is create a parser extension tag named <img>, it could actually be anything, like <seanmagicearlobe>
[18:13:40] <Sean_Colombo>	yeh, i could do that
[18:13:44] <Splarka>	but <img> is intuitive.... then you'd register it as a hook, and then parse it for options, and output a real <img> with the same options
[18:14:00] <Sean_Colombo>	just seems like unnecesary overhead if there is a way to just add it to the whitelist
[18:14:03] <Splarka>	in that way you simply circumvent the sanitizer and not have dirty hacks making upgrade harder
[18:14:17] <Splarka>	you could also add restrictions, like on dimensions
[18:14:18] <Sean_Colombo>	there are a LOT of these image tags around the site at the moment (someone used it in their signature)
[18:14:27] <Splarka>	stab them, repeatedly
[18:14:45] <Sean_Colombo>	lol, i like my users, i do not stab them :)
[18:15:52] <Splarka>	charge people for the opportunity to hunt them
[18:20:54] <Sean_Colombo>	lol
[18:28:56] <Sean_Colombo>	that whitelist in Sanitizer.php for 'img' was just saying that given the 'img' tag, the 'alt' attribute is whitelisted
[18:33:48] <Sean_Colombo>	i think it would be a decent idea to write a hook so that ppl could modify that whitelist if they wanted to.
[18:33:56] <Sean_Colombo>	... i don't know how to do that though :-/
[18:38:03] <ashley>	Sean_Colombo: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgEnableImageWhitelist ;-)
[18:38:10] <ashley>	1.14+ feature though
[18:40:40] <CIA-59>	03mkroetzsch * r42929 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/storage/SMW_SQLStore2.php: fixed typo
[18:40:55] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Fatal Error when moving page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16204  (10markus)
[18:44:36] <CIA-59>	03tomasz * r42930 10/branches/CentralNotice-SpecialPage-Integration/ (SpecialNoticeCentral.php SpecialNoticeTemplate.php): adding inline template preview
[18:53:44] <CIA-59>	03tomasz * r42931 10/branches/CentralNotice-SpecialPage-Integration/SpecialNoticeTemplate.php: removing preview button from template adding
[18:58:45] <Sean_Colombo>	anyone know if it's possible to add custom fields to User Preferences in a graceful way? (ie: extension or settings, even db change, but not code-hack)?
[18:59:10] <Nikerabbit>	not easily
[18:59:27] <CIA-59>	03raymond * r42932 10/trunk/extensions/Drafts/Drafts.hooks.php: Fix for r42891 per patch of Simetrical in bug 16153.
[18:59:32] <Sean_Colombo>	well that's good fun... is it still do-able without a hack?
[19:02:05] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Drafts should use core mechanism for configuring accesskeys - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16153  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[19:03:53] <brion>	Sean_Colombo: there's extensions in preferences
[19:03:57] <brion>	they all kind of suck though :D
[19:04:13] <brion>	but you can store arbitrary settings in the user options
[19:06:38] <Sean_Colombo>	brion: meaning that they'll automatically show up in the GUI?  or just that they'll be in the db?
[19:06:48] <brion>	Sean_Colombo: nothing automatic ;)
[19:06:52] <brion>	well
[19:07:01] <brion>	i think you can add something to some toggle array somewhere... maybe...
[19:07:07] <Sean_Colombo>	hmm
[19:07:07] <brion>	anyway, poke around in SpecialPreferences.php :P
[19:09:03] <Sean_Colombo>	will do
[19:09:05] <Sean_Colombo>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PreferencesExtension that looks promising too
[19:23:49] <CIA-59>	03brion * r42933 10/branches/CentralNotice-SpecialPage-Integration/CentralNotice.php: Cleanup to r42790 -- fix default noticeloader/noticetext paths
[19:25:58] <jftsang>	Hello
[19:26:04] <Dor>	hello
[19:26:09] <Sean_Colombo>	hello
[19:26:15] <Dor>	I'm having problems with my wiki
[19:26:25] <Dor>	dled the latest version
[19:26:57] <jftsang>	My user group has the edit permission, but I'm setting up a new group which does not have the edit permission, and having placed the users in that group, they still have the edit permission because they are members of the users group. How do I fix that?
[19:27:00] <Dor>	and I'm having trouble with the search suggestion
[19:27:36] <Dor>	who might help me?
[19:28:01] <Sean_Colombo>	lol... anyone here :)
[19:28:05] <Sean_Colombo>	just ask about the problem
[19:28:18] <Dor>	okay
[19:28:21] <Dor>	basically
[19:28:31] <Dor>	I start typing an article name that I know it exists
[19:28:46] <Dor>	and it just doesn't generate the list of articles that might contain it
[19:29:19] <Sean_Colombo>	where are you typing this?
[19:29:27] <Dor>	in the search form
[19:29:50] <Sean_Colombo>	i don't think the search form has suggestions in it
[19:30:01] <Sean_Colombo>	maybe wikipedia, but not MediaWiki software (as far as i know)
[19:30:06] <Dor>	it does :\
[19:30:10] <Dor>	MediaWiki itself has it
[19:30:17] <Dor>	in mediawiki.org
[19:30:36] <Sean_Colombo>	oh wow, that's cool
[19:30:51] <Dor>	yeah, too bad it doesn't work for me :X
[19:30:52] <Sean_Colombo>	i don't have the default search form anymore... maybe i should put it back :-/
[19:30:56] <Sean_Colombo>	what version are you running?
[19:30:58] <AaronSchulz>	brion: yo
[19:31:41] <Dor>	latest
[19:31:45] <Dor>	1.13.smth
[19:31:55] <Dor>	dled it yesterday from the site
[19:32:30] <MrZ-man>	Dor: that option isn't enabled by default
[19:32:36] <Dor>	how do I enable it?
[19:32:39] <Dor>	ajaz is on
[19:32:42] <Dor>	ajax*
[19:33:54] <Dor>	MrZ-man, ?
[19:34:16] <CIA-59>	03tomasz * r42934 10/branches/CentralNotice-SpecialPage-Integration/SpecialNoticeCentral.php: adding weight options for templates to add
[19:34:22] <MrZ-man>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgEnableMWSuggest
[19:35:21] <brion>	oy AaronSchulz 
[19:35:50] <Dor>	thanks :D
[19:36:10] <brion>	AaronSchulz: you interested in picking up robert's special:search redesign, polishing it and getting that ready for use?
[19:36:34] <AaronSchulz>	the reverted stuff?
[20:07:26] <CIA-59>	03brion * r42935 10/branches/CentralNotice-SpecialPage-Integration/SpecialNoticeText.php: 
[20:07:26] <CIA-59>	Switch from parsing to just doing a parsemag on the message for notice fields...
[20:07:26] <CIA-59>	Remove some old funcs no longer needed
[20:16:55] <CIA-59>	03grondin * r42936 10/trunk/extensions/RecordAdmin/ (SpecialRecordAdmin.18n.php SpecialRecordAdmin.php): Internationalization messages of the extension
[20:41:50] <CIA-59>	03tparscal * r42937 10/branches/CentralNotice-SpecialPage-Integration/ (3 files): Restructured the Template and Translate pages into one.
[20:47:55] <CIA-59>	03siebrand * r42938 10/branches/CentralNotice-SpecialPage-Integration/ (5 files): Update svn props. Add eol-style:native and remove stray execute bits.
[20:51:48] <CIA-59>	03siebrand * r42939 10/branches/CentralNotice-SpecialPage-Integration/CentralNotice.i18n.php: Update messages a bit: Added newlines for new sentences, remove capitalisation
[20:54:56] <CIA-59>	03tparscal * r42940 10/branches/CentralNotice-SpecialPage-Integration/ (SpecialNoticeTemplate.php SpecialNoticeTranslate.php): Changed delete command.
[20:59:14] <CIA-59>	03tparscal * r42941 10/branches/CentralNotice-SpecialPage-Integration/SpecialNoticeTemplate.php: Changed delete command.
[21:03:49] <CIA-59>	03raymond * r42942 10/trunk/extensions/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
[21:03:49] <CIA-59>	Add Tasks to Translate
[21:03:49] <CIA-59>	Update extensionCredits and i18n file
[21:07:03] <CIA-59>	03grondin * r42943 10/trunk/extensions/RecordAdmin/ (3 files): 
[21:07:03] <CIA-59>	*Adding another internationalization messages
[21:07:03] <CIA-59>	*Adding aliases file
[21:07:03] <CIA-59>	*Correcting somes messages in i18n file
[21:18:19] <CIA-59>	03grondin * r42944 10/trunk/extensions/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
[21:18:19] <CIA-59>	*Fixing french message missing
[21:18:19] <CIA-59>	*Adding RecordAdmin extension to Translate Betawiki
[21:18:21] <Nikerabbit>	hi ^demon 
[21:18:31] <^demon>	hi :)
[21:18:33] <^demon>	How are you?
[21:19:53] <chuck>	What's the wikimarkup I should use for PHP code?
[21:20:18] <CIA-59>	03raymond * r42945 10/trunk/extensions/Tasks/Tasks.i18n.php: Removing optional translations
[21:21:15] <^demon>	chuck: To display it? <source language="php"> if you have Geishi installed.
[21:22:05] <Nikerabbit>	^demon: exhausted or something
[21:22:10] <chuck>	:P
[21:22:13] <chuck>	*lang
[21:22:23] <chuck>	^demon: thanks, and is there any way to make a list continue through that?
[21:22:25] <chuck>	like I have this:
[21:22:26] <chuck>	# hi
[21:22:30] <chuck>	<source></source>
[21:22:31] <chuck>	# hi
[21:22:45] <Splarka>	<li>hi</li>
[21:22:57] <Splarka>	<li>hi <source></source></li>
[21:22:59] <Splarka>	<li>hi</li>
[21:23:33] <Splarka>	there is an open bug to allow block level elements and blank lines inside continuing wikilists, but it hasn't gone anywhere in a year or so
[21:23:49] <^demon>	Nikerabbit: Same, last day of work today too, so it was stressful.
[21:26:21] <CIA-59>	03grondin * r42946 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/aliases.txt: Adding RecordAdmin aliases into Translate extension feature
[21:33:52] <CIA-59>	03grondin * r42947 10/trunk/extensions/RecordAdmin/SpecialRecordAdmin.alias.php: syntax error in aliases names
[21:36:52] <tk82>	whats the best way to insert a block of php code into a mediawiki page?
[21:38:31] <RoanKattouw>	!syntaxhighlight | tk82 
[21:38:31] --mwbot--	tk82: there are several extensions for syntax highlighting, see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Syntax_highlighting - the most popular one is at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi
[21:38:44] <RoanKattouw>	tk82: Install that extension, then you can do <source lang="php"> ... </source>
[21:39:20] <RoanKattouw>	Splarka: I'll write a preferences API module after someone rewrites the preference system to make sense
[21:39:36] <Splarka>	you always say that
[21:39:56] <Splarka>	hell with the preferences system, can't you just treat it as a RAM dataset instead of ROM? ^_^
[21:39:57] <RoanKattouw>	For my usual rant about the subject, see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Deficits_of_the_current_preferences_system
[21:40:03] <RoanKattouw>	Possibly
[21:40:45] <Splarka>	(although some sort of type declaration would be.... useful)
[21:40:52] <RoanKattouw>	I guess I could parse the user_options field in the DB (I believe meta=userinfo&uiprop=options does that already), replace a preference and store it
[21:41:03] <RoanKattouw>	But that would require the client to know the name-value pair
[21:41:16] <RoanKattouw>	And validating preferences would be a pain in the ass
[21:41:32] <RoanKattouw>	Or we'd have to piggyback on the preferences form code
[21:41:40] <Splarka>	mmm, sigh
[21:41:46] <RoanKattouw>	For that part anyway
[21:42:03] <Splarka>	it'd sure be handy to be able to, for example, set your userlang to english on 700 wikis automatically
[21:42:08] <RoanKattouw>	So that means load the old prefs, change the one we're supposed to change, then feed that to PreferencesForm and pray it validates all right
[21:42:22] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah, I can see uses for that now that we have CentralAuth
[21:42:38] <RoanKattouw>	In the pre-CentralAuth era, API prefs didn't make much sense
[21:42:56] <Splarka>	well, they did on wikia, and wikis with a shared user db, sorta
[21:43:17] <Splarka>	preferences were, in theory, global, but they cached locally in very annoying ways
[21:43:34] <CIA-59>	03siebrand * r42948 10/trunk/extensions/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
[21:43:34] <CIA-59>	* Remove BROKEN
[21:43:34] <CIA-59>	* Fix aliases localisation, renaming file too
[21:44:07] <Splarka>	hmm
[21:45:34] *Splarka 	gets headache thinking about it again
[21:45:51] <Splarka>	Roan: so what <s>sucker</s> dev is capable and willing to reimagine the prefs system?
[21:46:15] <RoanKattouw>	Well I think I have some good ideas (there are probably a few in my MW.org rant), but I don't have time
[21:46:32] <Bryan>	I might if somebody fixes my upload code for me
[21:46:40] <Splarka>	abstracting the validation functions (and ideally the type delcarations) to multiple function usability (UI, extension, prefs, maintenence scripts)...
[21:47:16] <Splarka>	and adding nice hooks to easily declare more such validation functions and default values via extension...
[21:47:33] <Splarka>	and possibly not storing _every_ pref, just the changed ones
[21:49:17] <brion>	where, where was i
[21:49:28] <brion>	AaronSchulz: yeah, the search redo that i reverted :D
[21:53:42] <RoanKattouw>	Splarka: You've got the right ideas there
[21:58:40] <Dantman>	hmmm, interesting, PHP supports SSH... and for includes as well
[21:59:25] <CIA-59>	03grondin * r42949 10/trunk/extensions/RecordAdmin/SpecialRecordAdmin.php: Fixed broken link to alias file
[21:59:57] <Nikerabbit>	hi Dantman
[22:00:11] <Dantman>	yo!... I think...
[22:02:26] <Nikerabbit>	Dantman: mmmah?
[22:03:00] <RoanKattouw>	Bryan: What needs to be fixed about it? More specifically, who (or what kind of dev) would be able/qualified to fix it?
[22:03:38] <CIA-59>	03siebrand * r42950 10/trunk/extensions/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 
[22:03:38] <CIA-59>	* rename SpecialRecordAdmin* to RecordAdmin*, update paths
[22:03:38] <CIA-59>	* make the Records category configurable in MediaWiki:Recordadmin-category instead of in LocalSettings.php
[22:03:38] <CIA-59>	* update some messages
[22:03:38] <CIA-59>	* remove trailing spaces
[22:03:39] <CIA-59>	* update Translate config file
[22:04:23] <Bryan>	I am not entirely convinced that the model I am currently using provides a future proof base for extension
[22:05:12] <CIA-59>	03siebrand * r42951 10/trunk/extensions/RecordAdmin/RecordAdmin.18n.php: Fix syntax error
[22:05:24] <Bryan>	somebody needs to look over it and think whether this is something that can be used for all the upload features we want to create the next couple years
[22:05:28] <Dantman>	Nikerabbit: ^_^ I usually don't like random greetings on IRC, nor do I respond... so "I think..."
[22:05:43] <^demon>	Bryan: I now have free time :)
[22:05:45] <Bryan>	such as multiple uploads, customizable upload forms, upload extensions
[22:05:47] <^demon>	I can play with it.
[22:05:55] <Bryan>	would be nice
[22:06:17] <Bryan>	the code is basically working, but we need to determine how future proof it is
[22:06:43] <^demon>	iirc, not very much thus far.
[22:06:55] <Nikerabbit>	Dantman: mm am I random?
[22:06:57] <^demon>	It needs to be more abstracted than it is right now (ui elements were still in core stuff)
[22:07:28] <Dantman>	Nikerabbit: ^_^ In this context you're random unless you had some external reason to say hi... ie: A question you wanted to ask
[22:07:32] <CIA-59>	03btongminh * r42952 10/trunk/extensions/CodeBrowse/ (5 files): 
[22:07:32] <CIA-59>	* Add some quick i18n (please improve)
[22:07:32] <CIA-59>	* Parse wikitext to html
[22:08:20] <CIA-59>	03tparscal * r42953 10/branches/CentralNotice-SpecialPage-Integration/ (CentralNotice.i18n.php SpecialNoticeTemplate.php): Improved UI.
[22:08:46] <^demon>	Bryan: The cURL hardcoding in UploadFromUrl has to go though...would like to send those through Http::get().
[22:09:31] <Bryan>	Http::Get needs to be more flexible then I guess
[22:09:53] <^demon>	Yes :)
[22:09:59] <Bryan>	Special:Upload is here: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14925
[22:10:01] <^demon>	Granted, you can pass curlopts to it now.
[22:10:47] <Dantman>	SF isn't compat with latest SMW, so I can't work on making it use the Parser properly..... So I'm comparing different ideas for handling remote or special types of config on a scalable system.
[22:12:16] <Dantman>	I already theorized NFS in the past...
[22:12:28] <Dantman>	Other people have tried memcached and sql
[22:12:55] <Dantman>	I've also thought of S3 buckets, and ssh
[22:13:33] <Dantman>	Any other ideas for protocols or systems for accessing remote files or storage which in some way could be used to store config?
[22:15:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10richard)
[22:15:04] <CIA-59>	03siebrand * r42954 10/trunk/extensions/RecordAdmin/ (RecordAdmin.18n.php RecordAdmin.i18n.php): Fix incorrect rename. Forgot an 'i'.
[22:15:14] <Dantman>	T_T Noooooooo, dead discussion... fail!
[22:15:15] <Platonides>	for storing config memcached seems the best way
[22:15:41] <MattJohnston>	Platonides: Does memcached choose random keys to delete when it fills up?
[22:15:56] <MattJohnston>	So you'd randomly lose config values?
[22:15:58] <CIA-59>	03tparscal * r42955 10/branches/CentralNotice-SpecialPage-Integration/SpecialNoticeTemplate.php: Fixed message not set display bug.
[22:16:09] <Dantman>	MattJhonston: Memcached would be combined with something like SQL
[22:16:20] <Bryan>	somebody knows when to use ucfirst and when $wgContLang->ucfirst ?
[22:16:30] <Bryan>	siebrand or Nikerabbit perhaps?
[22:16:35] <Dantman>	Basically you would use a slow reliable method of storage (ie: SQL) and then front it with Memcached to speed it up
[22:16:48] <Dantman>	That's the theory of that kind of storage
[22:17:08] <Dantman>	I've always been of the preference of storing config in files though
[22:17:29] <Dantman>	Which was why my original plans included NFS config
[22:17:31] <Platonides>	what does mediawiki when it stores information on memcached? 
[22:17:31] <Platonides>	just hope it won't be deleted before the expiry time?
[22:18:10] <Dantman>	Doesn't care
[22:18:18] <Nikerabbit>	Bryan: ucfirst if it is some code "strings" that is never shown to the user
[22:18:30] <Dantman>	It just populates it, and refills it whenever it's not cached
[22:19:08] <Bryan>	ok thanks
[22:19:14] <Dantman>	Hmmm... there is also SimpleDB to think about
[22:19:14] <Bryan>	I guess Special:Upload is plain wrong then
[22:19:30] <Nikerabbit>	Bryan: if it contains natural language, then it is trickier
[22:19:43] <Nikerabbit>	or something shown to the user
[22:20:03] <Platonides>	Dantman, I think some things aren't really saved anywhere else
[22:20:08] <Platonides>	like captcha counts
[22:20:27] <MattJohnston>	Dantman: If you're storing config in SQL, where do you store connection info for the SQL config server or memcached?
[22:20:29] <Platonides>	(userlogin attempts to trigger captcha)
[22:20:29] <Dantman>	There is also a message que on Amazon, so it could be possible to use normal files and send a message when config has changed
[22:20:50] <Dantman>	MattJohnston: I should probably have mentioned it... but this isn't 100% config
[22:21:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable subpages on French Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16189   +shell (10Platonides)
[22:21:11] <Dantman>	The plan was for a wiki hosting company type scenario...
[22:21:21] <Dantman>	Multiple nodes of servers for stability
[22:21:44] <Dantman>	Primary backend config is just stored in normal files and synced around when changed
[22:22:20] <Dantman>	The remote config is for config options which customers need to be able to edit, cause those need to have near-instant effect
[22:22:34] <Dantman>	They can't wait for the next sync
[22:22:58] <Platonides>	Dantman, the wikis already need to connect to db
[22:23:05] <Platonides>	why not store that config also there?
[22:23:21] <Dantman>	What do you mean?
[22:26:46] <MrAlgebra>	does anyone here use x10hosting? I'm having some install problems
[22:27:35] <MrAlgebra>	I've extracted the latest version to the public_html folder
[22:27:55] <MrAlgebra>	and I can browse to the main page that asks me to configure
[22:28:08] <MrAlgebra>	and the link takes me to the right page
[22:28:13] <MrAlgebra>	however it does not show up
[22:28:18] <MrAlgebra>	just a blank page
[22:28:26] <Platonides>	look at the error log
[22:28:45] <Platonides>	are you using php 5?
[22:28:48] <MrAlgebra>	yes
[22:29:01] <MrAlgebra>	have tried the same page on FF, chrome, opera, and IE
[22:29:03] <MrAlgebra>	no luck
[22:29:04] <Platonides>	try using the filename ending in .php5 instead of .php
[22:29:08] <MrAlgebra>	ok
[22:29:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Default parameter is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16184  15enhancement->normal (10ran.arigur)
[22:30:47] <MrAlgebra>	nope that didnt work
[22:31:17] <MrAlgebra>	 home/user/wiki/config/index.php5 you mean?
[22:31:39] <Platonides>	it'd be that file
[22:31:46] <Platonides>	but your web path is probably different
[22:31:46] <MrAlgebra>	yeah, same problem
[22:32:16] <MrAlgebra>	does it work for you? njunkie.exofire.net/wiki/config
[22:33:14] <RoanKattouw>	MrAlgebra: With blank pages, if it doesn't work, it doesn't work. They're not browser-dependent
[22:33:56] <MrAlgebra>	its not an empty file, is it a server issue?
[22:35:14] <RoanKattouw>	Yes
[22:35:21] <MrAlgebra>	ok
[22:35:26] <RoanKattouw>	PHP is throwing some kind of error, but it's configured not to show you
[22:35:39] <RoanKattouw>	So you should try turning on error reporting (if your host will let you)
[22:35:40] <RoanKattouw>	!errors
[22:35:40] --mwbot--	To see PHP errors, add this to the very top of LocalSettings.php: error_reporting(E_ALL); ini_set("display_errors", 1);  Fatal PHP errors usually go to Apache's error log - also check the error_log setting in php.ini (or use phpinfo). For more details in wiki error reports, set $wgShowExceptionDetails = true; $wgShowSQLErrors = true; For full debug output, set $wgDebugLogFile to some path you like.
[22:35:45] <MrAlgebra>	its hardened php, does that make a difference?
[22:35:57] <RoanKattouw>	Dunno
[22:36:07] <MrAlgebra>	ok thanks
[22:38:35] <MrAlgebra>	hmm I've searched the entire folder, don't see the localsettings.php file. Is it a server file or a mediawiki file?
[22:38:51] <chuck>	MrAlgebra: Have you configured your wiki yet? O_o
[22:38:52] *werdnus 	waves
[22:39:11] <RoanKattouw>	No, he hasn't
[22:39:31] <RoanKattouw>	MrAlgebra: It's not there because you haven't configured the wiki yet. Once the config is done, you need to move it from the config/ dir to the wiki root
[22:39:51] *werdnus 	jumps out and scares brion 
[22:40:35] <MrAlgebra>	I can't configure the wiki because the configure/index.php file is either broken or x10hosting is broken
[22:40:51] <RoanKattouw>	Oh wit
[22:41:02] <RoanKattouw>	You can't turn on error reporting pre-config *facepalm*
[22:41:22] <RoanKattouw>	Do you have the latest version (1.13.2)? If not, upgrade.
[22:41:52] <MrAlgebra>	yes I have the latest version
[22:42:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) $wgCapitalLinks should be a per-namespace setting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13750  +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[22:44:59] <MrAlgebra>	hahaha, facepalm myself. apache has been offline for the past two hours....
[22:45:14] <MrAlgebra>	that's probably why
[22:45:48] <MrAlgebra>	well thanks for the help, I'll just wait until it comes back
[22:47:39] <CIA-59>	03siebrand * r42956 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Add missing messages for [right|action]-move-userpages
[22:48:57] <CIA-59>	03grondin * r42957 10/trunk/extensions/RecordAdmin/RecordAdmin.php: Fixing broken link to i18n file
[22:49:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) rsvg error when generating thumbnail "no fonts found" - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16185  (10le.korrigan)
[22:49:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SVG rasterisation on Wikimedia sites (tracking) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8901  (10le.korrigan)
[22:52:05] <CIA-59>	03btongminh * r42958 10/trunk/extensions/CodeBrowse/SpecialCodeBrowse.php: Load messages for CodeReview as well.
[22:54:59] <mammut->	ive added this line to my conf file but users can still be added 
[22:55:01] <mammut->	$wgWhitelistAccount = array ( "user" => 0, "sysop" => 0, "developer" => 0 );
[22:55:11] <mammut->	ive restarted apache
[22:55:27] <mammut->	not sure what need to be done for the changes to take effect
[22:55:28] <Bryan>	you will need to set $wgGroupPermissions['*']['createaccount'] = false;
[22:55:35] <Bryan>	and also for user, sysop and developer
[22:55:56] <Duesentrieb>	uh? $wgWhitelistAccount? what does that do?
[22:56:03] <Duesentrieb>	!wg WhitelistAccount
[22:56:03] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgWhitelistAccount
[22:56:22] <Duesentrieb>	"This feature was deprecated (or possibly removed completely) in version 1.5.0."
[22:56:27] <Duesentrieb>	bwahaha! 1.5!
[22:56:37] <mammut->	im running 1.2 
[22:56:43] <Dantman>	 Perhaps I'll store dynamic config in Amazon SDB and use memcached to store an object
[22:56:51] <Duesentrieb>	mammut-: o_O
[22:57:15] <mammut->	im one of those guys that run older versions that have passed the test of time
[22:57:18] <Duesentrieb>	mammut-: 1.2? wow, you should call some archaologists or something. you must be the only one left.
[22:57:22] <mammut->	instead of new features I dont need
[22:57:52] <CIA-59>	03siebrand * r42959 10/trunk/extensions/RecordAdmin/ (RecordAdmin.i18n.php RecordAdmin.php RecordAdmin_body.php): 
[22:57:52] <CIA-59>	* split of special page class
[22:57:52] <CIA-59>	* more i18n
[22:57:52] <CIA-59>	* fix some messages
[22:57:52] <CIA-59>	* remove unused globals
[22:57:54] <CIA-59>	* add access right for special page, assign rights to sysops
[22:57:57] <Duesentrieb>	mammut-: you also keep the old security bugs, because you no longer get updates :)
[22:58:14] <Duesentrieb>	and no extensions, and no support.
[22:58:32] <Dantman>	^_^ Which is precisely the reason that software developers drop support for old versions of software
[22:59:19] <Dantman>	Features aren't the only reason we make new versions of things
[23:00:32] <Duesentrieb>	well, always going with the cutting edge isn't so great either
[23:00:57] <Bryan>	in general the latest bleeding edge software is stable enough to run a top 10 website ...
[23:01:57] <Duesentrieb>	the lastest ubuntu update broke GLX, suspend-to-ram, and a couple of other things. and I had to fix alsa manually.
[23:01:58] <Dantman>	Mhmm... that's why you use the latest stable... there is a reason why it's called 'stable'
[23:01:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10billclark)
[23:01:59] <Duesentrieb>	Dantman: it very much depends who calls it that, and on what grounds :)
[23:02:00] *gewt 	likes mediawuku
[23:02:00] <werdnus>	brion: Letter sent.
[23:02:15] <WikiStar>	hey wiki fans, hows it going...
[23:02:34] <mammut->	ah , I thought it was stable
[23:02:40] <gewt>	31<gewt>30 _svnup
[23:03:20] <gewt>	18<gewtwiki> Updated to revision 42959.
[23:03:21] <WikiStar>	I'm playing with the wgGroupPermissions and wgWhitelist and have a few questions
[23:03:21] <werdnus>	well, ask away
[23:03:21] <WikiStar>	can I setup groups for different users or am I stuck with the default?
[23:03:21] <werdnus>	yes, you can set up groups
[23:03:22] <WikiStar>	can I use a wildcard * in the whitelistread aray?
[23:03:25] <Duesentrieb>	no.
[23:03:35] *Dantman 	is debating on whether to store config in SDB using wiki name as item, and attributes as configs, or store uid item names and put them together with wiki, configname, and value attributes
[23:03:35] <werdnus>	no.
[23:03:35] <Duesentrieb>	!access | WikiStar
[23:03:35] --mwbot--	WikiStar: For information on customizing user access, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights>. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access>.
[23:03:44] <Duesentrieb>	!groups | WikiStar
[23:03:44] --mwbot--	WikiStar: For information on customizing user access, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights >. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access >.
[23:04:00] <Duesentrieb>	huh, that's an alias?
[23:04:00] *werdnus 	slaps Duesentrieb with a trout
[23:04:00] <Charitwo>	they're both the same
[23:04:00] <Duesentrieb>	bah
[23:04:07] <Duesentrieb>	Charitwo: oh, really?
[23:04:21] <WikiStar>	lol cool !commands for common problems... nice
[23:04:22] <WikiStar>	thanks guys
[23:04:34] <Duesentrieb>	!next
[23:04:34] --mwbot--	Another satisfied customer. NEXT!
[23:04:38] <Duesentrieb>	:P
[23:04:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Increase Commons file size upload limit to 40MB - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12595  +comment (10public)
[23:05:58] *WikiStar 	buries his face in access and group permissions.... I think I'll have an other question though...
[23:07:07] <gewt>	is it possible to modify the "Article nto fohnd" page?
[23:07:08] <mammut->	Bryan a top 10 website probably has 3 fulltime admins patching the stuff up every day just because of the bleeding edge requirements you mean ?
[23:07:33] <gewt>	!commands
[23:07:33] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "commands".
[23:07:37] <Bryan>	no they let just us do the work
[23:08:00] <gewt>	am i lagging?
[23:08:00] <Bryan>	with few exceptions almost all code is the same as in svn
[23:08:18] <WikiStar>	uh !groups are the same links as !access?
[23:08:35] <MattJohnston>	gewt: Yes, go to Special:Allmessages on your wiki
[23:09:17] <gewt>	Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 20971520 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 1740801 bytes) in /var/www/main/w/includes/OutputPage.php on line 943
[23:09:20] <gewt>	0.O
[23:09:37] <Splarka>	hah
[23:09:44] <Splarka>	MediaWiki:Noarticletext is probably what you want, and MediaWiki:Newarticletext
[23:09:46] <Splarka>	and increase your php memory limits
[23:10:19] <gewt>	how do i increase the php memory limit...
[23:10:25] <gewt>	i have like 5 php.ini's
[23:10:26] <Duesentrieb>	@search memory
[23:10:26] --mwbot--	Results: []
[23:10:32] <Duesentrieb>	gewt: find the right one :)
[23:10:59] <WikiStar>	If I do this $wgWhitelistRead = array ("MyNameSpace:"); does that mean all the subpages are viewable?
[23:10:59] <Duesentrieb>	gewt: or better, do it locally, in LocalSettings.php
[23:10:59] <Duesentrieb>	ini_set...something
[23:11:03] <Duesentrieb>	WikiStar: no.
[23:11:13] <Dantman>	;) Default LocalSettings.php has a line you can uncomment and tweak
[23:11:13] <Duesentrieb>	WikiStar: use the Lockdown extension for stuff like that,.
[23:11:21] <brion>	werdnus: woo
[23:12:40] <WikiStar>	well I've used the built in wgGroupPermissions to lock out anonymous except for the home and login pages. We just wanted to allow another subset of pages as viewable (not editable) by anonymous
[23:13:05] <werdnus>	brion: I figured out how to put two JPEGs into a djvu :P
[23:13:23] <brion>	oooh
[23:13:47] <gewt>	!memory
[23:13:47] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "memory".
[23:13:57] <gewt>	@search ini
[23:13:57] --mwbot--	Results: [errors, imagemagic, images, mwhelp, passthru, protect, session, shell, thumb]
[23:14:16] <gewt>	!shell
[23:14:16] --mwbot--	Shell access (that is, SSH access, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSH) is highly recommended if you want to run MediaWiki. You can install without it, and basic operation will work, but even creating backups or upgrading will be painful without it. Some more involved maintenance tasks may even be impossible. MediaWiki is not designed for minimal environments.
[23:14:24] <gewt>	er
[23:14:47] <Splarka>	gewt: you can join #mwbot if you wanna play with it...
[23:14:53] <gewt>	k
[23:15:09] <Splarka>	or just vist http://toolserver.org/%7Eamidaniel/botbrain.html
[23:15:10] <Splarka>	that is everything it knows
[23:15:43] <Splarka>	I wish everything I knew fit in 70k
[23:16:34] <techman224>	brion: does the "autoconfirmed" right gives you "skipcaptcha"
[23:16:57] <werdnus>	autoconfirmed right or autoconfirmed group?
[23:16:57] <werdnus>	they are different things.
[23:16:58] <techman224>	the right
[23:16:59] <werdnus>	well the RIGHT doesn't.
[23:17:05] <Dantman>	ini_set( 'memory_limit', '##M' );
[23:17:08] <werdnus>	the right ONLY gives you the right to edit protected pages.
[23:17:13] <Dantman>	gewt: 6
[23:17:14] <werdnus>	semi-protected**
[23:17:16] <Dantman>	^*
[23:17:28] <techman224>	Well, I'm tring to give out a point
[23:18:04] <werdnus>	give out a point?
[23:18:15] <techman224>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Global_rollback
[23:18:22] <techman224>	look at the bottom
[23:20:44] <werdnus>	I've left a note there.
[23:20:48] <werdnus>	As a developer, I can confirm that techman224 is correct. While the autoconfirmed group has the skipcaptcha right, the autoconfirmed right only gives the ability to edit semi-protected pages. If you want global rollback people to be able to skip captchas, you should give them the skipcaptcha right. Werdna 23:20, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
[23:23:28] <techman224>	werdnus: Thanks
[23:25:08] <Dantman>	Aagggh... what is worthy of being worked on...?
[23:26:47] <techman224>	Dantman: Look at bugzilla
[23:27:00] <techman224>	there's a few bugs that need fixing
[23:27:18] <Dantman>	Agh... I'm not a bugzilla person... I normally do extensions, or rather features
[23:27:33] <CIA-59>	03siebrand * r42960 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (33 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-11-01 00:21 CET)
[23:27:40] <werdnus>	MZMcBride: are you around?
[23:27:46] <Dantman>	I've got a few dozen projects, but I can't figure out what I should get back to work on
[23:28:02] <MrZ-man>	Dantman: I'd like a special page, that just does whatever I want to to, something like [[Special:Magic]]
[23:28:27] <siebrand>	MrZ-man: extension Translate has a special page Magic :)
[23:28:28] <MrZ-man>	and maybe a pony
[23:29:22] <WikiStar>	the only way to get a whitelist type of functionality for a name space (or with wildcards) is to use an extension?  is LockDown going to be the appropriate thing?
[23:29:24] <werdnus>	so who did the new 'did you mean?' stuff?
[23:29:35] <Duesentrieb>	WikiStar: yes and yes.
[23:29:37] <werdnus>	!secrets | WikiStar 
[23:29:37] --mwbot--	WikiStar: MediaWiki was not designed with read-restrictions in mind, and may not provide air-tight protection against unauthorized access. We will not be held responsible should private information, such as a password or bank details, be leaked, leading to loss of funds or one's job.
[23:29:52] <MZMcBride>	werdnus: Yes.
[23:29:58] <MZMcBride>	What did I do? >_>
[23:30:01] <WikiStar>	I understand...
[23:30:12] <MrZ-man>	werdnus: rainman I believe
[23:30:24] <Dantman>	XWT, WikiCode, WikiVid, ScriptCommons, BoxStyles and iBox, RawFile and better raw support in extensions, SwarmIntegration, PatternFilters, SubText, and so on...
[23:30:25] <WikiStar>	it science documentation, boring and stale...
[23:30:45] <MrZ-man>	see [Wikitech-l] en.wiki migrated to new search backend
[23:30:50] <WikiStar>	they just want anonymous to see the documentation tree but not the rest of the wiki...
[23:31:31] <WikiStar>	maybe a feature request, allowing a wild cards on the white list....
[23:31:34] <WikiStar>	on to lock down
[23:32:08] <Dantman>	WikiStar: The whitelist wasn't designed for that purpose
[23:32:40] <Dantman>	The read whitelist was made to still enable anon users to access pages like Login, Version, or the Main page
[23:32:59] <Duesentrieb>	Dantman: yea, but what would keep us from allowing patterns?
[23:33:01] <WikiStar>	yep and thats what I'm using it for
[23:33:18] <Duesentrieb>	WikiStar: use lockdown, i wrote it for this.
[23:33:33] <WikiStar>	except I want to add a documentation tree, so I think I'm going to just manage a huge whitelist tree rather than hacking up my wiki with an extension
[23:33:50] <WikiStar>	Duesentrieb: I know I'm looking at it...
[23:34:19] <WikiStar>	another problem is redhat enterprise linux...
[23:34:29] <WikiStar>	so I don't think there is a lockdown for my mw version...
[23:34:30] <WikiStar>	:)
[23:34:52] <techman224>	extensions don't have OS requiments
[23:34:57] <Duesentrieb>	it has been around for a while (since 1.10 i think), but was broken in 1.12.
[23:35:00] <techman224>	there run by mediawiki
[23:35:16] <Duesentrieb>	WikiStar: but linuxx bundles of mediawiki tend to suck terribly.
[23:35:37] <techman224>	My wiki runs off ubuntu server
[23:35:38] <Duesentrieb>	WikiStar: not only are they usually outdated, they screw with file placement and configuration, and mess stuff up.
[23:35:41] <techman224>	it runs well
[23:35:47] <WikiStar>	nope but I have a php/mysql restriction, which limites which wiki I can install
[23:36:00] <Duesentrieb>	huh?
[23:36:05] *WikiStar 	cough
[23:36:06] <CIA-59>	03siebrand * r42961 10/trunk/extensions/ (83 files in 76 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-11-01 00:21 CET)
[23:36:08] <WikiStar>	1.6.10
[23:36:14] *WikiStar 	cough
[23:36:17] <Duesentrieb>	hahaha! fail.
[23:36:19] <WikiStar>	lol
[23:36:37] <Duesentrieb>	well, we did have a guy with 1.2 earlier
[23:36:41] <WikiStar>	The owners of the wiki are thinking of upgrading to fedora core, so we run a real mw
[23:36:44] <Duesentrieb>	you don't see *that* often.
[23:36:57] <Dantman>	WikiStar: ^_^ if you're on MW that old, you're not going to get any pattern whitelists ever
[23:37:04] <CIA-59>	03brion * r42962 10/branches/CentralNotice-SpecialPage-Integration/ (5 files): 
[23:37:04] <CIA-59>	Reorg some of the loading bits...
[23:37:04] <CIA-59>	* No longer using Special:NoticeLoader
[23:37:05] <CIA-59>	* Allowing static file generation of local notices
[23:37:05] <CIA-59>	* renamed some config vars
[23:37:59] <Splarka>	geez, this central notice thing better be the most coolest thing ever
[23:38:25] <Dantman>	Hmmm... perhaps I'll continue with my XWT experiment
[23:38:25] <Splarka>	like, instead of a paypal button, it sends strippers to your place, and you stuff donations into their clothing
[23:38:50] <WikiStar>	lol
[23:39:29] <WikiStar>	Dantman: I know I know its old... I get to chuckle every time you guys ask what version... and I say 1.6.10
[23:39:43] <CIA-59>	03huji * r42963 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFa.php: Localisation updates: Avoiding Arabic-style pluralization
[23:40:27] <WikiStar>	I think the best answer for me now is, manage a big whitelist and wait for the upgrade, then hope you guys have a wildcard whitelist later...
[23:40:32] <WikiStar>	thanks again guys
[23:42:32] <Dantman>	WTF... XWT is more broken then the last time I looked at it
[23:43:53] <Dantman>	Agh crap... T_T I feel to compelled to do something in JS instead of PHP
[23:45:44] <siebrand>	Dantman: you said you were trying to decide what to work on. Consider 13639 or 14164. They are both assigned to you.
[23:47:01] <Dantman>	^_^ long list
[23:47:17] <Dantman>	heh, the former is quite big...
[23:47:19] <Dantman>	Though
[23:47:41] <Dantman>	Perhaps it'll be easier now that I don't have the massive fail called Windoze causing me problems with dealing with SVN
[23:48:01] <Dantman>	:/ Trying to get svnmerge to work was horrid
[23:49:13] <Dantman>	Agh... there is something wrong with my head
[23:51:22] <Dantman>	Crap... now I really wish I had WiFi
[23:52:42] <Splarka>	Dan: http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/illuminated/991e/
[23:54:26] <Dantman>	Heh...
[23:54:44] <Dantman>	^_^ My issue isn't the strength, nor opening the laptop
[23:54:59] <Splarka>	so, sprint cutting off cogent has been a soap opera today unfolding in pings
[23:54:59] <Dantman>	In fact, I have my laptop open so much that it really doesn't matter
[23:55:52] <Dantman>	T_T The internet in this house just sucks badly enough... we have WiFi but the hardware is so crappy I can't connect to it
[23:56:12] *gewt 	hands Dantman a linksys WRT310N
[23:56:15] <gewt>	it has wireless N!
[23:56:18] <Splarka>	cogent has 100% availability and 30ms pings clear across the board to the other 11 tier 1, and sprint meanwhile is losing Intermap at 80% availability, Verizon at 93%, AT&T at 96%
[23:56:34] <Splarka>	just desserts eh
[23:56:48] <Dantman>	gewt: Wireless N doesn't matter
[23:56:51] <Splarka>	meanwhile, Qwest just found out that IHR had amnesia!
[23:56:59] <Dantman>	My laptop only supports b and g anyways
[23:57:12] <Splarka>	and XO's long lost twin SBC came back 
[23:57:13] <Dantman>	Wireless N is just another bleading edge thing
[23:57:23] <Dantman>	It's not worth buying yet
[23:57:32] <gewt>	Dantman, my router supports it
[23:57:36] <gewt>	WRT310N
[23:57:45] <Dantman>	gewt: But does your network card?
[23:58:05] <gewt>	only my iPod touch supprots wifi
[23:58:09] <gewt>	and tis nto wireless N
[23:58:16] <Dantman>	Standard network cards don't, you need to shell out another $60 or so to get it to work
[23:58:17] <gewt>	idk about my DS lite
[23:58:26] <gewt>	hm
[23:59:00] <Dantman>	And if you are running linux you're likely going to have more issues getting a new N driver to work than a tried and tested b/g
[23:59:17] <gewt>	:<
[23:59:38] <Dantman>	But I doubt that your DS is using N, it's probably using G
[23:59:52] <Dantman>	Perhaps B, but G is more common as I see