[00:16:19] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Stale thumbnails for recently reuploaded image, purging doesn' t help - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16286  +comment (10nospam)
[00:36:32] <Danwe>	hi
[00:37:20] <Danwe>	how is it possible to use a picture in a wikipage without an link to the image: page ?
[00:38:40] <Splarka>	!imagelink | Danwe
[00:38:40] --mwbot--	Danwe: In MW1.14+: you can use the new 'link' parameter [[Image:Foo.png|link=Bar]] | Before that, image linking was intentionally not supported in MediaWiki, so access to the image's description page was always available. If you need image links, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Linked_images> for methods and information.
[00:39:16] <Splarka>	note that 'no link' is pretty much the same as 'linking otherwhere than the description page'
[00:39:57] <Splarka>	what is your specific need? there are a dozen ways to do it of various complication/scaleability
[00:40:29] <Danwe>	i'd like to use a image in a template, more as design icon than an link to something
[00:40:56] <Splarka>	just one image ever? or will this scale to dozens later?
[00:41:06] <Splarka>	(like, each such template getting its own image)
[00:41:26] <Splarka>	er to clarify, each template, not each template usage 
[00:41:49] <Splarka>	if you plan on having few different designs (even if lots of usages) a css background image might be laziest
[00:42:28] <Danwe>	only one image
[00:43:05] <Danwe>	I'd prefer to do that without CSS, quck n dirty ;-)
[00:43:45] <Splarka>	well, css is the quickest and dirtiest
[00:44:01] <Danwe>	whats about imagemap?
[00:44:13] <Splarka>	the other methods are: install an extension like timeline or icon, enable external images, upgrade to 1.14
[00:44:21] <Splarka>	imagemap works, yep
[00:44:36] <Splarka>	er subst/timeline/imagemap, got timeline on the brain
[00:44:52] <Splarka>	do you have imagemap installed already?
[00:48:08] <Danwe>	yes
[00:48:25] <Danwe>	but how can i do an imagemap without link? allready tried but i ve got a error message
[00:48:36] <Danwe>	the syntax is very tricky i think
[00:48:52] <Danwe>	1.14 isnt stable yet. isnt it?
[00:50:01] <MinuteElectron>	no
[00:50:04] <Splarka>	Image:Wiki.png|100px
[00:50:04] <Splarka>	rect 0 0 0 0 [[Image:Wiki.png]]
[00:50:04] <Splarka>	desc none
[00:50:37] <Splarka>	there is still a link reachable in tabbing (in firefox for example) but no clickable link
[00:51:25] <Splarka>	(wrap in <imagemap> of course)
[00:51:30] <Danwe>	ok, i will try that. but the icon extension also looks great
[00:51:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Specify timezones by location, to allow automatic adjustments of timeoffset and daylight saving time (DST ) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=505  (10legoktm.wikipedia)
[00:51:53] <Splarka>	you could just allow external images, though you get no thumbnailing
[00:52:01] <Splarka>	or externalimagesfrom to limit the sources
[00:53:18] <Danwe>	ok, your code works well :-) thank you
[00:53:31] <Splarka>	rar
[00:53:39] <Danwe>	Another question: Is it possible to define another title to an wikilink?
[00:53:58] <Splarka>	[[Foo|Bar]] you mean?
[00:54:04] <Splarka>	<a href="/wiki/Foo">Bar</a>
[00:54:06] <Danwe>	no not text
[00:54:09] <Danwe>	i mean the html title
[00:54:16] <Splarka>	title="" ?
[00:54:22] <Danwe>	a title="" yes
[00:54:32] <Splarka>	[[Foo|<span title="">Bar</span>]] works I think
[00:54:33] <werdnus>	Simetrical: having fun with git rebase :P
[00:55:33] <Danwe>	nice, this works well :-D
[00:56:21] *Splarka 	senses a pattern
[00:57:14] <Splarka>	"How can I do something in mediawiki using wikicode that it wasn't meant to do?" "[naughty wikicode]" "Thanks Splarka!"
[00:59:53] <Splarka>	http://mightygodking.com/images/fantasy/internetculture.jpg
[01:07:12] <FunPika>	this tab is flooded now... O_O
[01:07:47] <FunPika>	over 200 joins/quits (combined number) in such a short period of time from my view of the split
[01:08:10] <Splarka>	so stay off the split-prone servers ^_^
[01:12:52] <kibble>	siebrand, around?
[01:12:59] <kibble>	nope, asleep
[01:14:38] <davidmccabe>	$wgEnotifUseRealName seems like a gratuitous option and I request permission to remove it.
[01:14:50] <davidmccabe>	(And always use real names if present.)
[01:18:37] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r43320 10/branches/group_rights/: Killing this branch to merge with trunk. Coming back in a moment...
[01:19:43] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r43321 10/branches/group_rights/: Recreate group_rights branch, applying changes in a moment.
[01:21:41] <Splarka>	davidmccabe: it is easier to be reverted by brion than to ask permission
[01:22:23] <ashley>	ha
[01:25:44] <davidmccabe>	Seriously, why should that be optional?
[01:25:50] <davidmccabe>	We didn't have enough globals before?
[01:27:58] <davidmccabe>	Why are diff links only shown for impersonal emails?
[01:30:07] <Simetrical>	werdnus, figured out how to use branches?
[01:34:59] <werdnus>	Simetrical: yeah, I'm getting there :)
[01:35:16] <werdnus>	Simetrical: just having fun doing some rebasing
[01:47:03] <davidmccabe>	Will $user->isAnon() ever yield a different result from User::isIP( $user->getName() )?
[01:47:36] <werdnus>	I dunno, but you should always use the former.
[01:47:46] <werdnus>	I think it checks differently though
[01:47:56] <werdnus>	one regexes the name, one checks if uid=0
[01:48:11] <werdnus>	so I suppose the difference would be for some pseudo-users like MediaWiki default, etc
[01:48:42] <davidmccabe>	I didn't realize there were pseudo-users.
[01:48:55] <davidmccabe>	Email notif. uses the later1
[01:49:06] <davidmccabe>	This code is really laughable.
[01:49:27] <_mary_kate_>	i added a feature to enotif once and found it somewhat odd
[01:49:35] <_mary_kate_>	probably should've taken some time to rewrite it
[01:49:48] <davidmccabe>	_mary_kate_: I'm doing that now.
[01:49:58] <davidmccabe>	Don't blame you for skipping it.
[01:56:28] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r43322 10/branches/group_rights/ (17 files in 7 dirs): Commit group_rights changes back in.
[01:57:09] <Candi_2>	I am working on an extension that will make it so certain pages (in a user defined name space) will have a unique tab called "Rate" (already have this much done).  I want it so that when a user clicks the Rate tab they are brought to a page where there is a form which they may use to rate the connected page in various categories (see here for the inspiration: http://www.pvxwiki.com/w/index.php?tit
[01:57:11] <Candi_2>	le=Build:A/E_Moebius_Spiker&action=rate).  I was just about to being making a special page for the rate page, and I am not sure this is the way to do it..   
[01:59:53] <Simetrical>	Special page sounds right.
[02:00:06] <davidmccabe>	You could make a custom action, but a special page is probably a little less weird.
[02:00:22] <werdnus>	Simetrical: I got it working! woo!
[02:01:00] <werdnus>	Simetrical: I ended up killing the group_rights branch on svn, recreating it, checking it out locally, and running git diff svn/group_rights group_rights | git apply; git commit -a; git svn dcommit
[02:01:31] <werdnus>	presumably when I want to update it to trunk, I just use git rebase master
[02:06:25] <davidmccabe>	Where should I refer people who want to hire a MW developer?
[02:07:16] <werdnus>	not to me :)
[02:07:19] <werdnus>	uh
[02:07:22] <werdnus>	there was wikihr.net
[02:08:59] <Candi_2>	Thanks guys, just wanted to make sure I was on the right track! :D 
[02:09:31] <Simetrical>	werdnus, be aware that if you rebase, you shouldn't try to publish.  Stuff will spaz out.
[02:09:40] <Simetrical>	werdnus, because when you rebase, you're really destroying all the old commits and creating totally new ones with new names and contents.
[02:10:14] <Simetrical>	If you want to maintain a branch that you publish publicly, you most likely want to use the branching feature.
[02:10:21] <Simetrical>	I've never done that, though, so I can't say for sure.
[02:11:12] <werdnus>	I need to merge in commits from trunk into my branch.
[02:12:26] <Simetrical>	werdnus, you should be able to use git merge.  You could also use git rebase, but then publishing your branch will be tricky.
[02:12:53] <davidmccabe>	Ooh, I like the way they've done the top tabs on wikia.
[02:13:09] <davidmccabe>	Unconfuzzled the fact that there are two distinct pages, and n actions for whichever page you're on.
[02:13:11] <davidmccabe>	http://psychology.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
[02:42:18] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Changing sortkey of category using DEFAULTSORT changes category add timestamp - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16287 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Categories; (bawolff+wn)
[03:52:03] <Prom_cat>	Hey, is there any easy way to get a webpage in a special page?
[03:55:52] <werdna>	Prom_cat: What are you trying to do?
[04:08:09] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) API: consider making closure status of wikis more clear with meta=siteinfo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16288 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: API; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[04:24:29] <Splarka>	http://www.fun-with-words.com/images/funny_sign_06.jpg
[04:26:17] <luna6>	hey i'm using a wordpress extension to add wordpress comments into mediawiki..... when people leave comments with certain characters ...quotation marks or apostrophes.....it comes out as weird looking symbols
[04:26:37] <luna6>	like this page
[04:26:38] <luna6>	http://asianmediawiki.com/Takeru_Sato
[04:26:55] <luna6>	would someone have an idea how to fix that?
[04:27:00] <luna6>	UTF issue?
[04:33:08] <luna6>	n/m developer for extension updated a fix on his page :)
[04:38:16] <Prom_cat>	werdna: Imbed a web page inside a special pagre
[04:38:24] <Prom_cat>	Any easy way?
[04:38:38] <Prom_cat>	embed^
[04:39:42] <werdna>	you're writing an extension?
[04:41:13] <Prom_cat>	Yep
[04:41:28] <Prom_cat>	Well, im adapting someone elses
[04:41:57] <werdna>	Xml::element( 'iframe', array( 'src' => 'http://some/url' ) );
[04:47:00] <Prom_cat>	thanks werdna
[05:25:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Compare selected versions should be a link, not a button ( JavaScript) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16165  (10matthew.flaschen)
[05:26:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Compare selected versions should be a link, not a button ( JavaScript) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16165  +comment (10matthew.flaschen)
[05:51:28] <luna6>	hmm...
[05:51:30] <luna6>	Database error
[05:51:30] <luna6>	A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:
[05:51:30] <luna6>	    (SQL query hidden)
[05:51:30] <luna6>	from within function "Parser::replaceLinkHolders". MySQL returned error "1271: Illegal mix of collations for operation ' IN ' (asianmediawiki1.asianmediawiki.dreamhosters.com)".
[05:51:46] <luna6>	anybody familiar with this error?
[05:55:29] <DarkoNeko>	Oo
[05:55:41] <luna6>	?
[06:02:50] <DarkoNeko>	oO
[07:11:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) can't search for numbers (no numerical search) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42  (10nathanlarson3141)
[08:12:49] <Schiz0|SD>	Hey. I have a mysqldump of a MediaWiki database. I believe it's from a slightly older version of media wiki, but I'm not sure. If it is an older verison, it's only about 4-5 months old (if any new versions have been released in that timeframe).
[08:13:05] <Schiz0|SD>	Anyway, would I be able to import the sql into a current version of a mediawiki database?
[08:13:28] <Schiz0|SD>	basically, I'm looking to restore a backup after my HDD crashed, and I think the version of mediawiki has changed between now and since the upgrade.
[08:16:19] <Schiz0|SD>	what would be the best way to go about restoring the backup?
[08:22:07] <chmod007>	Schiz0|SD: I believe the safest way would be: install old version, export xml, install new version, import xml.
[08:22:45] <Schiz0|SD>	ah ok
[08:23:15] <Schiz0|SD>	is there any way to tell WHICH version the old sql files are from? Like, does it store the mediawiki version somewhere in the db?
[08:23:27] <chmod007>	I don’t know
[08:23:44] <Schiz0|SD>	hmm
[08:23:52] <p858snake>	open it in a text file editor and have a look maybe?
[08:24:51] <Schiz0|SD>	I did....it didn't say anything, I just searched the file for "version"
[08:25:50] <chmod007>	unless it's a very old (like pre 1.5) I think the schema has been pretty stable. don’t hold me to that, though.
[08:26:29] <Schiz0|SD>	nah, the HDD crashed like two weeks ago, and the wiki was installed a few months before that. So it can only be, at most, a 4-5 month old version
[08:27:25] <chmod007>	i bet you'll be fine just importing the sql.
[08:27:36] <Schiz0|SD>	alrighty
[08:27:40] *Schiz0|SD 	gives it a try
[08:33:59] <werdna>	so, who wants to play with my sexy MediaWiki function reference?
[09:08:32] <siebrand>	kibble: awake now...
[09:14:33] <werdna>	siebrand: want to have a play with my sexy MediaWiki function reference?
[09:14:35] <werdna>	it's all ajaxy
[09:15:19] <_wooz>	lo
[09:17:09] <siebrand>	werdna: can I use a rubber?
[09:17:23] <siebrand>	(just is case it is contagious)
[09:18:12] <werdna>	hehe
[09:18:21] <werdna>	just waiting for the DNS to propagate :)
[09:18:29] <werdna>	should only be 5 minutes
[09:19:57] *siebrand 	is testing a patch anyway...
[09:22:26] <werdna>	siebrand: http://mwref.werdn.us
[09:25:19] <werdna>	Duesentrieb: around? :)
[09:27:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Compare selected versions should be a link, not a button ( JavaScript) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16165  (10siebrand)
[09:30:00] <siebrand>	werdna: nothing's happening for me? I start typing. Tested gibberish, "wfGet" and "wfLoadEx".
[09:30:39] <werdna>	siebrand: what browser?
[09:31:43] <siebrand>	werdna: FF 2.0.0.17
[09:31:49] <werdna>	hm
[09:31:56] <werdna>	works in FF3.1 for me
[09:31:59] <werdna>	maybe some dodgy JS?
[09:32:01] <werdna>	do you have firebug?
[09:32:13] <siebrand>	werdna: yep
[09:32:20] *VasilievVV 	found a wonderful SQL query at http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/about_cms/44205/
[09:32:21] <werdna>	is it reporting any errors?
[09:33:12] <siebrand>	werdna: nope
[09:33:40] <siebrand>	werdna: nothing in Chrome and IE7 either.
[09:34:05] <siebrand>	werdna: have to reboot. Back soon.
[09:38:36] <p858snake>	werdna: nothing on Fx 3.0.3
[09:42:22] <werdna>	I just deleted the site, I'm bringing it back in a moment :)
[09:49:11] <Daedalus969>	anyone awake?
[09:49:48] <werdna>	!ask | Daedalus969 
[09:49:48] --mwbot--	Daedalus969: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[09:50:54] <Daedalus969>	Alright then, well, I was wondering about conditioned image layering.  I currently have maybe a few ideas of how to do it, but I need to know if they're possible:
[09:52:13] <Daedalus969>	But first, to clarify, this is terms of image mapping.  Now, I already have a mapped image, what I want to do is, if A = B, then I want an image, or a text character to appear  in a specific place over the image
[09:53:08] <Daedalus969>	the first idea of how this might be possible, using the image map system of coordinates to locate where an image or character should be placed, with the size of the image dictated by the rect coordinates
[09:56:28] <Daedalus969>	but as said, I also want this to be conditioned, say, {{#ifexist:page|{{#imagelable:{{#tag:imagemap|rect 1 2[[link]] rect 3 4 [[link]]}}rect 1 3 [[Image:pic.jpg]]}} }}
[09:56:30] <Daedalus969>	ect
[09:56:32] <Daedalus969>	*etc
[09:58:30] <Daedalus969>	of course it would also be nice if someone knew of a way to modify the extension source so that it could also accept images to be in the place of links as specified by the mapped area size
[10:09:29] <Daedalus969>	eh, it's 2am, now is not the time.
[10:09:31] <Daedalus969>	goodnight.
[10:19:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) MediaFunctions extension: Add a function #mediapages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12108  (10siebrand)
[10:55:03] <werdna>	yannf: got a second
[10:55:10] <yannf>	yes
[10:55:14] <werdna>	http://pastebin.ca/1249439
[10:55:18] <werdna>	I was about to send that to wikitech-l
[10:55:34] <werdna>	can you see if anything's worth doing on it before I announce it?
[10:57:31] <yannf>	it is certainly interesting, but I don't code, so I won't be able to help much
[10:58:20] <werdna>	really?
[10:58:23] <werdna>	I thought you did :/
[10:58:30] <werdna>	sorry, then :)
[10:58:43] <yannf>	no, I am an admin, not an dev
[10:58:46] <yannf>	*a
[11:01:24] <yannf>	I can give you a course on Linux admin through ;)
[11:02:01] <werdna>	hehe
[11:03:54] <yannf>	I wrote a big part of that http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LPI_Linux_Certification
[11:04:29] <werdna>	awesome!
[11:09:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Correcting edit summaries (if own, last, & recent) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13937  (10siebrand)
[11:30:54] <siebrand>	werdna: works now in Chrome and IE7. Not in FF2.
[11:31:17] <siebrand>	werdna: typing in FF2 is really slow, so *something* is happening, just no results.
[11:32:12] <siebrand>	werdna: clicking [show function] in IE7 gives a script error.
[11:32:39] <werdna>	yeah, I know about the IE script error.
[11:32:55] <werdna>	I think I know how to fix it, but I haven't bothered yet.
[11:42:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Compare selected versions should be a link, not a button ( JavaScript) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16165  (10matthew.flaschen)
[11:49:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Compare selected versions should be a link, not a button ( JavaScript) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16165  (10siebrand)
[11:56:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) API: consider making closure status of wikis more clear with meta=siteinfo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16288  (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[11:59:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Compare selected versions should be a link, not a button ( JavaScript) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16165  (10matthew.flaschen)
[12:00:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Compare selected versions should be a link, not a button ( JavaScript) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16165  (10matthew.flaschen)
[12:01:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Compare selected versions should be a link, not a button ( JavaScript) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16165  (10matthew.flaschen)
[12:13:09] <werdna>	what's Bryan Tong Minh's irc nick?
[12:13:35] <VasilievVV>	werdna: Bryan or BryanTM
[12:17:18] <werdna>	so he's not online.
[12:22:28] <estan>	hello. how do i change which article is used as the start page?
[12:22:44] <estan>	(default is Main_Page, but i can't find that in DefaultSettings.php)
[12:24:23] <str4nd>	estan: See MediaWiki:Mainpage on your wiki.
[12:25:20] <estan>	str4nd: ah great. thx.
[12:25:26] <str4nd>	np
[12:32:44] <lenary>	guy,sjust a small question
[12:32:55] <lenary>	does $wgAllowImageMoving work?
[12:34:03] <lenary>	i hear VasilievVV knows something about the topic
[12:35:02] <VasilievVV>	It should
[12:36:03] <lenary>	thanks
[12:37:20] <whiles_>	Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 16777216 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 7680 bytes) in /var/www/wl/includes/CategoryPage.php on line 180
[12:37:48] <werdna>	increase your memory limit
[12:38:01] <werdna>	it needs to be at least 20-30MB
[12:38:05] <whiles_>	how?
[12:38:24] <werdna>	do you have access to your php.ini?
[12:38:37] <whiles_>	yes
[12:39:10] <werdna>	edit memory_limit = 16M
[12:39:15] <werdna>	set it higher
[12:39:28] <whiles_>	ok, thank you werdna!
[12:39:59] <werdna>	you want it to be at least 32M, realistically
[12:40:02] <werdna>	depends on how much RAM you have
[12:43:35] <estan>	hm. how can i edit Special:Userlogin? i've added the OpenID extension and i'd like to add a link to Special:OpenIDLogin there..
[12:44:06] <estan>	i can go to the page while logged in, but i can't edit it.
[12:44:19] <whiles_>	werdna: this is my server memory configuration, http://www.betashare.it/nopaste.php?id=r6d
[12:45:23] <estan>	ah, includes/SpecialUserlogin.php, nevermind.
[12:45:40] <werdna>	whiles_: how many simultaneous requests?
[12:45:42] <estan>	or no, that seems to be deprecated.. hm.
[12:46:10] <estan>	ah, it's in includes/specials..
[13:04:21] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) patrol function assigned to all users, not autoconfirmed users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16289 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (andre)
[13:05:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) patrol function assigned to all users, not autoconfirmed users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16289   +shell (10raimond.spekking)
[13:10:49] <queuetue>	Hi.  I'm a relative newbie, trying to install ParserFunctions.  I've placed the ParserFunctions code in the ParserFunctions directory under extensions, and put require_once("$IP/extensions/ParserFunctions/ParserFunctions.php"); in LocalSettings.php - no errors, but Special:Version does not show any extensions loaded, just "Installed Software" (MW v 1.13.2, PHP 5.2.0-8 on debian etch)
[13:11:04] <_mary_kate_>	queuetue: did you put it at the end of localsettings?
[13:11:16] <queuetue>	_mary_kate_, No, at the beginning.  That matters?
[13:11:34] <werdna>	hey _mary_kate_ 
[13:12:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) FlaggedRevisions extension: API "sighting" of revisions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16278  (10raimond.spekking)
[13:12:11] <queuetue>	_mary_kate_, Thank you.
[13:12:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) s:cs: settings - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16277  -easy  (10raimond.spekking)
[13:15:12] <queuetue>	What is the proper way to display a template paramater if it is present, or nothing if it isn't?  {{#if: {{{X}}} | {{{X}}} }} Displays the value of X if present, or an unprocessed {{{X}}} if not present.
[13:16:15] <werdna>	{{{X|}}}
[13:17:05] <queuetue>	werdna, Thanks.
[13:20:02] <queuetue>	werdna, Do you happen to have a pointer to where that's documented, so I can understand the syntax?
[13:20:19] <werdna>	!man Templates
[13:20:19] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Templates
[13:20:58] <werdna>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template
[13:21:15] <werdna>	In particular: You can also provide default values for parameters, i.e. values that are going to be used if no value is provided for a parameter. For example, {{{reason|all your hard work}}} would result in "all your hard work" if no value was provided for the parameter reason.
[13:23:49] <estan>	hm. what's the correct syntax for marking up a command to be typed (e.g. apt-get install libxml2-dev)?
[13:24:02] <estan>	i'd like it to be a block, not inline.
[13:24:02] <cirwin>	leave a space at the beginning of the line
[13:24:08] <estan>	cirwin: ah thanks.
[13:24:21] <werdna>	or <pre> Command </pre>
[13:25:05] <estan>	ok.
[13:25:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Breton linktrail should cover all Breton characters - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16251  +comment (10siebrand)
[13:28:25] <queuetue>	werdna, I think the technique I was using is too naive for the template I'm trying to build.  If the parameter is present, I want it to return [[Foo:{{{X|}}}]] and if it is absent, I want it to return nothing.  Instead, when absent, it returns a link to Foo: ...
[13:29:36] <cirwin>	queuetue: {{#if:{{{X|}}}|[[Foo:{{{X}}}]]}}
[13:30:06] <queuetue>	Oh, Thank you.  I see now.
[13:33:41] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Creation of namespace 'Portal' at bar.wikipedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16290 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (m-ei)
[13:39:26] <estan>	hm. how can i have spaces in link titles when linking to external URLs?
[13:39:36] <_mary_kate_>	use %20 instead of a space
[13:40:28] <Subfader>	Special don't show page view counts. Are they counted for the total page views on Special:Statistics?
[13:40:31] <estan>	hm. didn't work.. i mean in the name of the link.. not the URL..
[13:40:40] <_mary_kate_>	write a space
[13:40:45] <_mary_kate_>	[http://example.com example dot com]
[13:41:11] <estan>	ah, i was using [http://example.com|foo bar]. thanks.
[13:41:21] <Subfader>	thats for internals
[13:41:32] <Subfader>	using [[|]]
[13:41:44] <estan>	yea. i realized i was doing it wrong. thanks.
[13:43:34] <Danwe>	hi
[13:44:08] <Danwe>	how is it possible to change the background image on my wiki? As you can see here for example, there is an different background image: http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Semantic_MediaWiki
[13:44:59] <estan>	is there a way to remove the horizontal lines under =, ==, and === titles?
[13:45:24] <cirwin>	Danwe and estan edit the css files
[13:45:35] <estan>	cirwin: alright. thanks.
[13:45:35] <werdna>	_mary_kate_: I've got a shell script that forwards ports from my server to my laptop with ssh, but it seems to time out every few hours... how do I stop that?
[13:45:45] <Subfader>	easiest way: replace skins\monobook\headbg.jpg
[13:45:48] <cirwin>	[[Mediawiki:Monobook.css]]
[13:45:51] <werdna>	_mary_kate_: this is the script: ssh -fR 3307:127.0.0.1:3306 -R 7071:127.0.0.1:7070 -R 7022:127.0.0.1:22 andrew@epstone.net tail -f /dev/null
[13:45:54] <cirwin>	or [[Mediawiki:Common.css]]
[13:46:00] <Danwe>	thanks
[13:46:11] <_mary_kate_>	werdna: fix your stateful packet filter / NAT device / firewall
[13:46:30] <werdna>	_mary_kate_: I don't think it's that, because there are packets going across.
[13:46:55] *werdna 	looks at config
[13:46:57] <_mary_kate_>	you said it times out... that usually indicates a period of inactivity
[13:47:12] <werdna>	yeah, but inactivity on the shell
[13:47:17] <werdna>	cause I'm using tail -f /dev/null
[13:47:28] <_mary_kate_>	silly to request a shell if you just want port forwarding
[13:47:46] <werdna>	well how do I not request a shell?
[13:48:05] <_mary_kate_>	perhaps -TN
[13:48:35] <werdna>	     -T      Disable pseudo-tty allocation.
[13:48:43] <werdna>	     -N      Do not execute a remote command.  This is useful for just for-
[13:48:43] <werdna>	             warding ports (protocol version 2 only).
[13:48:45] <werdna>	smartass.
[13:49:08] <werdna>	my router does also have TCP inactivity timeouts :/
[13:49:23] <_mary_kate_>	that seems impossible unless it's also doing NAT or statefull filtering
[13:49:33] <queuetue>	Is there a way to suppress the display of the namespace in page titles and category lists?
[13:49:42] <_mary_kate_>	although i did have an old router that maintained the NAT table even when not doing NAT, that was pretty weak
[13:49:52] <werdna>	_mary_kate_: it's listed under 'connection policy', with 'Stateful Packet Inspection' above.
[13:49:57] <_mary_kate_>	(because if there were >1000 connections, it'd crash)
[13:54:08] *werdna 	disables SPI on TCP
[13:54:08] <werdna>	what could go wrong?
[13:54:08] <werdna>	_mary_kate_: http://mwref.werdn.us/ --> check that out
[13:55:51] <werdnus>	23:50  * werdna disables SPI on TCP
[13:55:54] <werdnus>	23:50 < werdna> what could go wrong?
[13:55:59] <werdnus>	I answered my own question, incidentally.
[13:56:06] <werdnus>	Apparently that wasn't "Turn TCP SPI on/off", it was "Turn TCP on/off"
[13:56:22] <werdnus>	A rather pedantic distinction, I think you'll agree
[13:58:24] <Simetrical>	What might cause Firefox *and* Epiphany to hang on startup and produce no output?  But the problem goes away on reboot?  Some process stopping them from using the Gecko libraries, in some mysterious fashion?
[13:58:26] <werdnus>	_mary_kate_: check out http://mwref.werdn.us
[14:01:05] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Typo in SMW_SpecialSearchByProperty.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16291 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (david)
[14:06:38] *Simetrical 	gives up and restarts, dammit
[14:13:32] <werdnus>	ialex: want to be a guinea pig? :)
[14:14:05] <pingouin>	i need a "upper letter" like in XXe century, but i i do **[[XX<sup>e</sup> century]] it 'kill' the linkable of [[ ]] 
[14:14:06] <ialex>	werdnus: for what?
[14:14:11] <pingouin>	how can i do that ?
[14:14:14] <VasilievVV>	Does MediaWiki exclude disambigs from article count?
[14:14:21] <werdnus>	ialex: http://mwref.werdn.us --> tell me what you think
[14:14:44] <ialex>	pingouin: [[XXe century|XX<sup>e</sup> century]]
[14:14:55] <ialex>	VasilievVV: no
[14:15:15] <VasilievVV>	Why?
[14:15:37] <werdnus>	because we never did in the past, and people don't like their article counts going down
[14:16:24] <pingouin>	ialex: nice, many thanks
[14:17:20] <ialex>	werdnus: 1) link to file/line would be nice, 2) it should also handle classes
[14:17:41] <werdnus>	ialex: what do you mean it should also handle classes?
[14:18:22] <ialex>	werdnus: if you type "Article", you should also have the Article class in the results
[14:18:37] <werdnus>	ialex: try typing Article::
[14:18:51] <ialex>	ohhhh :)
[14:19:29] <werdnus>	maybe I should highlight the matching parts, and allow prefix-based searching for classes.
[14:20:05] <VasilievVV>	werdnus: and what would happen if I rewrite it?
[14:20:12] <ialex>	"function ArticleCounter::ArticleCounter()" <- where is that class?
[14:20:33] <DarkoNeko>	well, when I type static function Sanitizer::hackDocType() {
[14:20:38] <DarkoNeko>	aaah dmanit
[14:20:52] <ialex>	answer: maintenance/updateArticleCount.inc.php
[14:20:52] <DarkoNeko>	when I search for wguser, it return me things that got nothign to do with it Oo
[14:20:55] <ialex>	:)
[14:21:03] <werdnus>	hey Simetrical 
[14:21:46] <werdnus>	ialex: I dunno, but I'm currently doing it by find ~/mediawiki -name '*.php' | xargs cat | ./parse_classes.pl
[14:21:48] <pingouin>	ialex: how do youo call this syntax ? i want to find it in the doc to read about 
[14:22:08] <ialex>	DarkoNeko: it's for functions
[14:22:15] <Simetrical>	Wow, my computer takes like five minutes to boot.
[14:22:20] <DarkoNeko>	hmm
[14:22:25] <Simetrical>	 09:22:25 up 6 min,  2 users,  load average: 2.83, 3.56, 1.73
[14:22:29] <pingouin>	Simetrical: under windows ? ;)
[14:22:29] <Simetrical>	up 6 min :(
[14:22:35] <Simetrical>	pingouin, no, Hardy.
[14:22:55] <Simetrical>	From power button to working desktop.
[14:22:55] <DarkoNeko>	Simetrical > I just put it in lseep mode to gain time nowsadays :o
[14:22:59] <Simetrical>	Maybe more like four minutes.
[14:23:04] <DarkoNeko>	Simetrical > what os ?
[14:23:13] <Simetrical>	DarkoNeko, Ubuntu Hardy Heron.
[14:23:21] <pingouin>	!pipe
[14:23:21] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "pipe". You might try: !parser 
[14:23:22] <Simetrical>	DarkoNeko, I always leave it on for IRC and cron and stuff, so I like never boot anyway.  :)
[14:23:27] <pingouin>	!|
[14:23:27] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "|". You might try: !imagelink 
[14:23:35] <DarkoNeko>	ah, it's linux, so it's normal if it takles forever to boot ^^
[14:23:39] <pingouin>	!<sup>
[14:23:39] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "<sup>".
[14:23:48] <ialex>	pingouin: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Links -> "Piped link"
[14:23:55] <pingouin>	ah
[14:23:58] <pingouin>	nice
[14:26:08] <Simetrical>	It's also amazing how my panels get randomly rearranged whenever I boot.
[14:26:40] <DarkoNeko>	^^;
[14:27:15] <Prom_cat|Sleepz>	Hey, if i want to change the output of an IRC RC bot what mediawiki file do i change?
[14:27:55] <DarkoNeko>	uh, what ?
[14:28:02] <DarkoNeko>	change your bot
[14:28:27] <Prom_cat|Sleepz>	no
[14:28:32] <Prom_cat|Sleepz>	not the bot
[14:28:40] <Prom_cat|Sleepz>	the bot is a simple UDP to irc bot
[14:28:59] <ialex>	includes/Recentchange.php
[14:29:03] <Prom_cat|Sleepz>	k
[14:31:01] <werdnus>	Simetrical: have you had a play with my sexy toy yet? :)
[14:31:14] <Simetrical>	werdnus, what?
[14:31:22] <werdnus>	http://mwref.werdn.us/
[14:31:24] <DarkoNeko>	he asked if you played with his now sex toy
[14:32:15] <pingouin>	Simetrical: old computer ?
[14:34:25] <Simetrical>	pingouin, 2.6 GHz dual-core AMD 5000+, 4 GB RAM (3 usable, 32-bit OS), 7200 RPM SATA disks with serial read rates of about 50 MB/s.
[14:34:39] <pingouin>	wahou ;)
[14:34:40] <pingouin>	nice
[14:35:15] <pingouin>	on my old p4 2g ram, debian, booting takes...less than 20'' 
[14:35:30] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r43323 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Article.php: Cleanup for r43315 (per aaron's comment): remove extra set of parenthesis
[14:35:34] <Simetrical>	From pushing the power button to a desktop with idle CPU and disks?
[14:35:53] <pingouin>	it dont suspend it 
[14:36:03] <pingouin>	from pushing button, to the prompt
[14:36:03] <Simetrical>	What?
[14:36:09] <werdnus>	Simetrical: what did you think of my toy? :)
[14:36:11] <Simetrical>	To the prompt doesn't count.
[14:36:17] <Simetrical>	werdnus, maybe I'll use it sometime, I dunno.
[14:36:35] <pingouin>	bah, startx, then ion3 launch, you can add 5'' if you want ;)
[14:36:47] <werdnus>	Simetrical: I thought it might be more fun than sauce-grepping.
[14:37:01] *Simetrical 	greps werdnus with tabasco sauce
[14:37:25] <werdnus>	nom nom nom
[14:37:35] <queuetue>	Is there a way to suppress the display of the namespace prefix in page titles and/or category lists?
[14:38:03] <Simetrical>	queuetue, no, that would be completely confusing.  The namespace is part of the title.
[14:38:17] <Simetrical>	I mean, if you wanted to hack the code, it would probably be a one-line change.
[14:38:38] <werdnus>	but it wouldn't be done.
[14:38:49] <queuetue>	Simetrical, I'll agree wrt page titles, but with category listings, there's a lot of redundant info.
[14:39:16] <werdnus>	"You can copy the title from the heading" is a core principle of MediaWiki's usability.
[14:40:25] <estan>	"Leading spaces are another way to preserve formatting. However, it will make the whole page fail to render properly in some browsers, such as IE7, thus making the page unreadable." <- is this true? how come? :/
[14:40:48] <Simetrical>	werdnus, that's a little strong.
[14:40:56] <Simetrical>	It's a principle we currently follow, more like.
[14:41:03] <Simetrical>	estan, no, that's complete BS.
[14:41:07] <Simetrical>	estan, where did you find it?
[14:41:27] <Simetrical>	werdnus, I think I'm going to try using my computer as an alarm clock.  Just putting appropriate "beep" commands in cron.
[14:41:28] <Simetrical>	:D
[14:41:46] <werdnus>	Simetrical: I wanted to do that, but my computer is too noisy when *idle*
[14:41:56] <estan>	Simetrical: okay, good. i found it here; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_edit#No_or_limited_formatting.E2.80.94showing_exactly_what_is_being_typed
[14:42:01] <Simetrical>	I have a noisy fan or something right now.
[14:42:07] *Simetrical 	needs to poke around and shut it up, maybe
[14:43:20] *werdnus 	should go to bed soon.
[14:43:25] <Simetrical>	werdnus, do you have IE7 handy by any chance to test this claim?
[14:43:30] <werdnus>	yeah
[14:43:38] <werdnus>	as obscene as that was.
[14:44:09] *Simetrical 	is trying to find who added that
[14:44:42] <_mary_kate_>	Simetrical: it looks fine in my IE7 ... obviously
[14:44:48] <_mary_kate_>	i think someone would've noticed a bug that serious ;)
[14:44:57] <werdnus>	Yeah, it looks fine for me.
[14:44:59] <Simetrical>	It's just a <pre> with a background and border anyway.
[14:45:08] *werdnus 	wrote a Special:Preview page to test these things out
[14:45:36] <CIA-60>	03nojhan * r43324 10/trunk/tools/planet/fr/config.ini: + blog GdGourou
[14:45:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable template inclusion from Commons (transclusion => interwiki templates, etc.) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4547  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[14:46:35] <Simetrical>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:How_to_edit_a_page&diff=154582412&oldid=154560499
[14:46:37] <werdnus>	Simetrical: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:How_to_edit_a_page&diff=250657255&oldid=249687180
[14:47:02] <werdnus>	Simetrical: I'll poke him.
[14:47:40] <werdnus>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Petedavo#Wikipedia:How_to_edit_a_page
[14:48:16] <Simetrical>	Aggressive, aren't you?
[14:48:31] *Simetrical 	is, of course, a paragon of diplomacy at all times
[14:48:36] <werdnus>	That was decently-worded.
[14:48:57] <Simetrical>	Well, yes, comparatively.  :)
[14:48:59] <werdnus>	Or are you talking about the edit summary? :P
[14:49:05] <Simetrical>	Both.
[14:49:16] <werdnus>	Well, it is important to follow up
[14:49:17] *Simetrical 	has been making a personal effort to be more diplomatic lately
[14:49:41] <werdnus>	We can't have people spreading misinformation.
[14:49:49] <werdnus>	teehee, it's like Rob all over again.
[14:50:11] <_mary_kate_>	apparently eb1911 has an article on PAYMENT OF MEMBERS
[14:50:15] <_mary_kate_>	that sounds curious
[14:50:23] <Simetrical>	beep -f 12000 = slightly painful.
[14:51:24] <Simetrical>	beep -f 19000 = inaudible.
[14:51:28] *Simetrical 	could turn his computer into a dog whistle!
[14:51:40] <Simetrical>	werdnus, thankfully, I was never as undiplomatic as Rob.
[14:51:54] <pingouin>	how can i get something bigger than <big>exemple</big> ? without using <hx>  </hx> ?
[14:52:07] <estan>	i have a svn co http://foo command in a <pre> that is don't want to be turned into a link.
[14:52:09] <cirwin>	<big><big>example</big></big> :p
[14:52:16] <estan>	can i turn off that behavior for a single URL?
[14:52:23] <estan>	s/is/i/
[14:52:24] <cirwin>	<big style="font-size: 1000%">example<//big>
[14:52:40] <cirwin>	estan: <nowiki>http://...M</nowiki>
[14:53:07] <werdnus>	Simetrical: hehe
[14:53:17] <Simetrical>	for FREQ in $(seq 100 100 19000); do beep -f $FREQ; done
[14:53:20] <Simetrical>	Computers are awesome.
[14:53:25] <estan>	cirwin: ah right. just found that thanks.
[14:53:27] <werdnus>	Simetrical: but Rob was always making a personal effort, and every now and then he'd come out and hand out a million compliments.
[14:53:37] <_mary_kate_>	Simetrical: beeping was much easier on the C64
[14:53:43] <pingouin>	ok, thanks cirwin 
[14:53:56] <Simetrical>	werdnus, if you have beep installed, try running that command line.  It's great.
[14:54:06] <Simetrical>	Now, what's the best frequency for an alarm clock?
[14:54:32] <cirwin>	Simetrical: start low
[14:54:43] <cirwin>	and gently increase the frequency until you can stand it no longeR?
[14:55:27] <werdnus>	Simetrical: whoa!
[14:56:52] *Simetrical 	is probably going to get family members coming over pretty soon to make him shut up his computer
[14:56:57] <DarkoNeko>	rather than a frequency, a tune/song would be better :o
[14:57:51] <werdnus>	Simetrical: that's really cool.
[14:57:59] *Simetrical 	needs to write a shell script that plays his favorite computer game's theme song
[15:00:14] *Simetrical 	thinks this would make a good alarm clock: beep -f700 -l500 -r10 -D200 -n -f800 -l500 -r10 -D200 -n -f900 -l500 -r10 -D200 -n -f1000 -l500 -r10 -D200
[15:00:30] *Simetrical 	hates having to make sure his alarm clock is correct every day
[15:00:40] <werdnus>	Simetrical: my headphones are on the other computer, excuse me for not copying that out
[15:00:55] <Simetrical>	werdnus, this is using the built-in speaker, shouldn't be going to your headphones.
[15:00:57] <Simetrical>	My speaker is off.
[15:01:12] <werdnus>	Simetrical: too late for that kind of thing.
[15:01:17] <werdnus>	people asleep
[15:01:20] <Simetrical>	:(
[15:01:35] <Simetrical>	You tried the command line from before, though?
[15:02:29] *VasilievVV 	could not hear beep -f 19000 also
[15:02:37] <Simetrical>	VasilievVV, ask your dog?
[15:02:46] *Simetrical 	will have to lure over a cat to see if it reacts to beep -f 19000
[15:03:02] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Empty pages after a move - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16292 normal; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (yann)
[15:03:10] <VasilievVV>	Simetrical: I have no pets around :(
[15:04:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Empty pages after a move - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16292  (10yann)
[15:08:42] <Higdur>	does anyone know if Extension:STSGMassMailer is functioning properly or if there is another similar addon that is?
[15:11:58] <Simetrical>	Higdur, you usually won't be able to find much help in this channel with unofficial extensions.  You'd be best off asking the author.
[15:12:18] <werdnus>	01:01 < Simetrical> You tried the command line from before, though?
[15:12:24] <werdnus>	yes
[15:12:27] <Simetrical>	:)
[15:12:28] <werdnus>	but I have to go to bed.
[15:12:51] <werdnus>	I've already got myself into trouble for opping in the early morning :/
[15:13:25] <Higdur>	Simetrical: yeah, I know, just checked if anyone had tried it :)
[15:13:55] <werdnus>	night Simetrical 
[15:14:40] <Higdur>	we're going to have a monthly newsletter for all users of the wiki I'm creating, so I'll need some way to keep an updated list of addresses
[15:17:02] *CharlotteWebb 	slaps werdnus with a large trout
[15:17:15] <CharlotteWebb>	i don't suppose you could be any more (or less) vague about this :p
[15:17:17] <CharlotteWebb>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29#Edit_notices_for_deletion_pages
[15:27:21] <yannf>	http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16292 this is a problem: it breaks how bots work
[15:27:59] <yannf>	so either pywikipediabot has to be updated urgently, or redirects should be created by default
[15:29:50] <Simetrical>	Do you know what commit caused it?
[15:32:17] <TheBonsai>	hi. is there a web-api to do easy searches? the search-specialpage seems to be for interactive use only, i'd need to get an easy parsable output. 
[15:32:37] <Simetrical>	TheBonsai, you might try the API.
[15:33:17] <Duesentrieb>	!api
[15:33:17] --mwbot--	The MediaWiki API provides direct, high-level access to the data contained in the MediaWiki databases. Client programs should be able to use the API to login, get data, and post changes. Find out more at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API>. For client libraries in various languages, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Client_Code>.
[15:33:32] <Duesentrieb>	TheBonsai: opensearch is supported via the general web api interface.
[15:33:56] <Simetrical>	Not with machine-parseable results.
[15:34:32] <ialex>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Query_-_Lists#search_.2F_sr
[15:34:44] <TheBonsai>	mh, the "search client" isn't on the same host. but let's see what the API provides HTTP-wise
[15:35:25] <yannf>	Simetrical, no, i don't know
[15:35:47] <yannf>	it is recent through
[15:36:16] <TheBonsai>	ialex: i think that's it!
[15:36:17] <TheBonsai>	thanks
[16:00:47] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r43325 10/trunk/extensions/UserMerge/ (UserMerge.php UserMerge_body.php): 
[16:00:47] <CIA-60>	* Removed useless extension function to define a new log, do it while including the file
[16:00:47] <CIA-60>	* Removed some PHP4-ism
[16:00:47] <CIA-60>	* Whitespaces tweaks
[16:01:44] <lady_6thofAu>	hi, do u have any idea where i can get the multilang extension from?
[16:14:52] <Duesentrieb>	!e Multilang | lady_6thofAu: 
[16:14:52] --mwbot--	lady_6thofAu:: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Multilang
[16:15:14] <lady_6thofAu>	the download site seems dead
[16:16:53] <Duesentrieb>	oh?
[16:17:22] <Duesentrieb>	wait, i think there's a semi-official one...
[16:17:36] <lady_6thofAu>	:)
[16:18:55] <Duesentrieb>	lady_6thofAu: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:ExtensionDistributor/Multilang
[16:19:12] <Duesentrieb>	lady_6thofAu: note that that is not exactly the same extension. iirc the syntax differs a bit. but it basically does the same thing
[16:19:19] <lady_6thofAu>	thnx :)
[16:19:29] <Duesentrieb>	i though this one was documented too, but i can't find it.
[16:25:18] <muzy>	hello I've a question
[16:25:34] <muzy>	how can i set a skin for the whole wiki ?
[16:26:48] <chuck>	muzy, $wgDefaultSkin
[16:27:03] <muzy>	in the inex.php ?
[16:27:05] <muzy>	*index
[16:27:10] <chuck>	If you want to force that skin for all the users and disable the ability for them to change it in preferences, see $wgAllowUserSkin
[16:27:15] <chuck>	muzy, No, LocalSettings.php
[16:27:29] <muzy>	okay
[16:27:57] <muzy>	i wonder because i set up a theme and ask some other "how this looks" and they say it's the same before ^^
[16:29:23] <ialex>	chuck: $wgAllowUserSkin will be only in 1.14 ;)
[16:30:09] <chuck>	ialex, I know, I added it myself ;-)
[16:30:19] <ialex>	chuck: i know ;)
[16:30:23] <muzy>	yes chuck
[16:30:28] <muzy>	i search for this
[16:30:39] <muzy>	can i add this manualy ?
[16:30:49] <ialex>	!wg AllowUserSkin
[16:30:49] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgAllowUserSkin
[16:30:56] <chuck>	muzy, I would just use SVN trunk code if you're not already
[16:31:38] <muzy>	mhhm i will delete skins i don't want to show :D
[16:31:45] <muzy>	thats maybe a good way too :D
[16:31:57] <ialex>	heh
[16:32:01] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r43326 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/CodeRevisionListView.php: Query tweaks
[16:32:12] <chuck>	muzy, haha xD
[16:32:30] <chuck>	I think there's a configuration variable to hide skins that users can't use
[16:32:41] <muzy>	maybe 
[16:32:42] <muzy>	...
[16:32:55] <muzy>	but i can't php ^^
[16:33:14] <chuck>	!wg SkipSkin
[16:33:14] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgSkipSkin
[16:33:19] <chuck>	!wg SkipSkin | muzy
[16:33:19] --mwbot--	muzy: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgSkipSkin
[16:33:43] <muzy>	ty, you made my day (:
[17:13:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Breton linktrail should cover all Breton characters - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16251  (10spectre)
[17:15:07] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Breton linktrail should cover all Breton characters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16251  (10siebrand)
[17:44:42] <^demon>	Nikerabbit: Ping
[17:50:08] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r43327 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ChangesList.php: Add some CSS classes for easier styling
[18:07:41] <Nikerabbit>	demon:!!
[18:08:56] <CIA-60>	03huji * r43328 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFa.php: Localisation updates: Better translations for "import" and "export"
[18:18:17] <CharlotteWebb>	are we ever going to add some way to edit svg files on-site
[18:21:58] <CIA-60>	03vasilievvv * r43329 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 3 dirs): 
[18:21:58] <CIA-60>	* Add class "disambiguationpage" to body tag
[18:21:58] <CIA-60>	* Split off MediaWiki:Disambiguationspage parsing to
[18:21:58] <CIA-60>	 wfGetDisambiguationTemplates()
[18:24:03] <CIA-60>	03vasilievvv * r43330 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Skin.php: Forgot to commit Skin.php part
[18:26:55] <ialex>	VasilievVV: seems that the line return "{$numeric} {$type} {$name}{$disambig}"; have a bad identation
[18:33:03] <VasilievVV>	ialex|away: it could. I haven't checked that file for identation
[18:33:33] <VasilievVV>	Yes, it has
[18:42:49] <isdfjsdf>	hi
[18:43:06] <isdfjsdf>	what is the extension for {{PAGENAME}} magic word?
[18:43:50] <DarkoNeko>	it should be there in the vanilla version
[18:43:55] <DarkoNeko>	I mean, the basic version
[18:44:45] <isdfjsdf>	i have got 1.12.0
[18:45:19] <isdfjsdf>	OK
[18:46:35] <isdfjsdf>	thanks
[19:37:07] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r43331 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (CHANGELOG Configure.php Configure.settings-core.php): Fixed type of $wgPasswordAttemptThrottle
[19:49:27] <pingouin>	can i put a file directly on the serveur in the /images/ folder (in a sub dir i create ?) to allow users to download files from this location with a link a the wiki pages ?
[19:52:04] <ialex>	pingouin: use Special:Upload
[19:53:51] <pingouin>	!Upload
[19:53:51] --mwbot--	File uploads are disabled per default, set $wgEnableUploads=true to enable it. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads> for configuration details, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Managing_files> and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images> for using uploaded images and other files.
[19:54:11] <pingouin>	!Special:Upload 
[19:54:11] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "special:upload".
[20:29:00] <DarkriftX>	anyone know how i can add custom links to the navigation?
[20:29:08] <DarkriftX>	or do i have to edit the template
[20:29:21] <Dantman>	!sidebar | Darkriftx
[20:29:21] --mwbot--	Darkriftx: To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar>.
[20:29:34] <DarkriftX>	nice
[20:29:41] <DarkriftX>	how come i couldnt find that anywhere lol
[20:30:34] <Atluxity>	you should take a deeper look in the MediaWiki-namespace, lots of cool stuff there
[20:31:08] *Dantman 	teaches a parrot to squak "RTFM, RTFM!" and debates where he should let it loose...
[20:37:34] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Need AM or PM in time zone information in preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5649  (10johan.uhle)
[20:39:27] <DarkoNeko>	Dantman, try ##php ? :)
[20:40:12] <Dantman>	^_^ php... right now I'm doubting the /facts/ inside that manual... I don't trust half the things it says...
[20:41:40] <Dantman>	Actually, I have the sneaking suspicion that microtime(true); returns milliseconds, not microseconds like it says. :/ or at least there is something in my way of getting a proper profile comparison
[20:41:58] <DarkoNeko>	you got on the most people channel #debian, #c, #perl ... :)
[20:42:05] <DarkoNeko>	yeah, it's milliseconds
[20:42:22] <DarkoNeko>	the name is micro, but the page saysmilli
[20:42:25] <Dantman>	Ahah... I thought so
[20:42:31] <Dantman>	No, I remember the page saying micro
[20:42:37] <DarkoNeko>	:o
[20:42:51] <Dantman>	"microtime() returns the current Unix timestamp with microseconds."
[20:42:52] <DarkoNeko>	..actually, I'm begginign to have a doubt... ? :o
[20:42:57] <esthar>	Is there a way to run ffmpeg2theora on all uploaded videos so I don't have to ask my users to transcode to Theora/Vorbis first?
[20:42:58] <Dantman>	^_^
[20:43:02] <DarkoNeko>	I'm too lazy to try
[20:43:29] <DarkoNeko>	estharrun it on your upload folder? :o
[20:43:32] <Dantman>	microtime() seams to be closest to my IntervalNow()
[20:43:53] <Dantman>	For me IntervalNow() returns milliseconds, and UIntervalNow() returns microseconds.
[20:45:16] <Dantman>	Hmmm... nowait... that's IntervalNow to microtime()*1000
[20:45:23] <Dantman>	Maybe it is microseconds
[20:46:44] <Dantman>	^_^ Anyone interested in my initial benchmark?
[20:48:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Compare selected versions should be a link, not a button ( JavaScript) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16165  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[21:16:34] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r43332 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ChangesList.php: Use existing function
[21:26:27] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r43333 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ChangesList.php: self revert r43332 due to a PHP Strict Standards error
[21:32:49] <ialex>	Raymond__: move EnhancedChangesList::maybeWatchedLink() to ChangesList ;)
[21:33:11] <Raymond__>	ialex: yeah :) thanks
[21:40:51] <werdnus>	hey MrZ-men
[21:41:26] *MrZ-man|lazin 	waves
[21:42:01] <werdnus>	when does Brion usually come around?
[21:42:13] <MrZ-man|lazin>	on a Sunday? he might not
[21:42:38] <Sadr>	is there an easy way to list the pages within category on any given page the same way you can use {{subpages}}?
[21:42:48] <Sadr>	e.g. [[List:Programming]]
[21:43:11] <werdnus>	MrZ-man|lazin: heh, I told him I was starting work on Monday. Clearly he thought I meant SF time :)
[21:45:12] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r43334 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ChangesList.php: Use existing function. Now without PHP error. Thanks to Ialex.
[21:45:14] <ialex>	werdnus: you work for the Wikimedia Foundation? O_o
[21:45:37] <werdnus>	not really, just some contracting.
[21:46:05] <Duesentrieb>	!dpl | Sadr
[21:46:05] --mwbot--	Sadr: The DynamicPageList (DPL) extension outputs reports based on criteria given in a special tag. For more information, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicPageList> and <http://semeb.com/dpldemo/index.php?title=Dynamic_Page_List>.
[21:47:36] <Sadr>	thanks mate, I'll check that out
[21:50:30] <MrZ-man|lazin>	ialex: no, Brion hired him as a butler
[21:50:33] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r43335 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/ (CodePathRevListView.php CodeRevisionListView.php): Move path stuff up to allow combining author/path filters
[21:54:49] <Dantman>	http://nadir-seen-fire.com/blog/js-php-benchmark <-- ^_^ interesting bit I wrote, anyone interested?
[21:55:07] <werdnus>	Dantman: only if you check out http://mwref.werdn.us
[21:55:24] <Dantman>	already did when it came in the mailing list
[21:55:32] <Dantman>	Could use a bit of improvement
[21:56:08] <werdnus>	like what?
[21:56:32] <Dantman>	The format of the information doesn't look all that helpful
[21:56:42] <Dantman>	At least from an initial look
[21:57:06] <werdnus>	what would you prefer?
[21:58:24] <Dantman>	well, it looks like a plain extract from the code... Something that actually parses the information would be a bit more helpful... and what about the doc comments?
[21:58:41] <werdnus>	haven't got the comments parsed in yet.
[21:59:15] <werdnus>	My brain is trained to read a line of source code, so it seems a bit silly to present it any other way.
[22:00:04] <werdnus>	Of course, you are welcome to use the backend any way you like -- it happens to pass the information back parsed, but the software ignores it and prints out the declaration line.
[22:00:42] <chuck>	Dantman, heh, yeah I'm looking at some SSJS stuff also
[22:02:06] <chuck>	werdnus, what about variables?
[22:02:30] <werdnus>	chuck: what about variables?
[22:02:47] <chuck>	werdnus, you should add them to your reference
[22:03:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) patrol function assigned to all users, not autoconfirmed users, on nlwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16289  summary (10roan.kattouw)
[22:03:17] <werdnus>	I could, but typically you shouldn't access variables from outside.
[22:03:43] <Dantman>	I'm working on a system definition facility, and a javascript fastcgi handler.
[22:04:58] <chuck>	Dantman, tell me if you release anything, i'll give it a try :P
[22:05:05] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Empty pages after a move - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16292  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[22:05:07] <chuck>	what servers are you using now to play with SSJS?
[22:05:20] <Dantman>	chuck: Just pay attention to the jslibs project
[22:05:36] <Dantman>	I'm communicating with the developer and the community
[22:06:05] <Dantman>	I'm just doing things locally right now
[22:06:24] <Dantman>	FastCGI isn't quite working unless you're using one of the ugly wrappers
[22:07:03] <emil`_>	Hey. My mediawiki (REL1_13) is acting strange from time to time. All of the sudden it breaks all the pages. It seems like it does not parse the wiki-pages properly, since it is leaving text like: {{SIT{{AME{{.}}}}}}. Anybody knows what is causing this?
[22:07:56] <emil`_>	It has acted like this before too, but it got back to normal without no fixing from me.
[22:25:43] <estan>	anyone using the OpenID extension who has gotten this error when trying to associate an OpenID with an existing wiki user upon the first login; MySQL returned error "1048: Column 'user_real_name' cannot be null (localhost)"
[22:33:16] <[KrusheR]>	hi
[22:34:19] <[KrusheR]>	could someone lend me a hand setting up a custom namespace?
[22:34:38] <[KrusheR]>	it's seems not to be handling the talk pages correctly
[22:34:43] <eddan>	Hi, where do I go about editing the menu items that's displayed under Views and Toolbox?
[22:34:54] <eddan>	Oh, and Personal Tools :)
[22:35:48] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r43336 10/branches/ (group_rights/ on_wiki_configuration/): Move group_rights branch to a more descriptive name.
[22:37:03] <[KrusheR]>	mediawiki thinks the talk page are in the main namespace... 
[22:37:38] <MrZ-man|lazin>	[KrusheR]: did you create a custom talk namespace for it?
[22:37:47] <[KrusheR]>	yes, i did this:
[22:37:55] <[KrusheR]>	$wgExtraNamespaces[NS_PIRIODICO] = "Piriódico";
[22:37:55] <[KrusheR]>	$wgExtraNamespaces[NS_PIRIODICO_TALK] = "Piriódico discusión";
[22:38:01] <[KrusheR]>	among other lines, of course
[22:38:02] <estan>	anyone using lighttpd and URL rewriting who has rules for rewriting edit links? (e.g. http://libxml2wiki.dose.se/w/index.php?title=The_libxml2_Library&action=edit --> http://libxml2wiki.dose.se/The_libxml2_Library&action=edit)
[22:38:25] <Simetrical>	estan, that rule would be completely broken.  You'd want ?action=edit at the end there, not &action=edit.
[22:38:35] <estan>	Simetrical: yea sorry typo.
[22:39:08] <estan>	just regular links to articles are rewritten for me, i got that from an example in the documentation.. but i'd like as much as possible to be prettyfied, including edit links.
[22:39:21] <MrZ-man|lazin>	[KrusheR]: did you define() NS_PIRIODICO_TALK?
[22:39:25] <Duesentrieb>	estan: use action pathes
[22:39:33] <Duesentrieb>	!wg ActionPath
[22:39:33] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgActionPath
[22:39:42] <[KrusheR]>	yes, they are defined as constants
[22:39:46] <Duesentrieb>	no, bad link
[22:39:56] <Duesentrieb>	where did it go?
[22:40:05] <werdnus>	hey Simetrical 
[22:40:24] <Duesentrieb>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/$wgActionPaths
[22:40:27] <Duesentrieb>	estan: ---^
[22:40:50] <estan>	Duesentrieb: ah thanks a bunch.
[22:40:51] <Duesentrieb>	estan: that will give you http://libxml2wiki.dose.se/edit/The_libxml2_Library
[22:40:52] *estan 	tries.
[22:40:56] *Simetrical 	can never figure out, when people say "hey" to him, if they're testing for a response or just randomly pinging him
[22:41:03] *Simetrical 	supposes he should respond to be on the safe side
[22:41:04] <estan>	Duesentrieb: alright. that's pretty enough ;)
[22:41:25] <[KrusheR]>	MrZ-man|lazin any idea?
[22:41:27] <werdnus>	Simetrical: I don't ping contentlessly :)
[22:41:28] <MrZ-man|lazin>	[KrusheR]: I think you need an underscore instead of a space in "Piriódico discusión"
[22:41:34] <[KrusheR]>	let's see
[22:41:47] *werdnus 	are friendly
[22:42:15] <[KrusheR]>	yeah it works!!!
[22:42:19] <[KrusheR]>	thank you very much, MrZ-man|lazin
[22:43:38] *Simetrical 	has to write his blasted statement of purpose for his grad school application, argh
[22:43:51] <Simetrical>	"I am applying to graduate school because I want to learn more math."
[22:44:05] *Simetrical 	repeats that 50 times to get up to 500 words
[22:44:23] <werdnus>	I had more fun when they asked me why I wanted a scholarship.
[22:44:40] <werdnus>	"Ummm, because I get $5k a year. Why do you bloody think?"
[22:44:44] <Simetrical>	"Because money is useful.
[22:44:44] <Simetrical>	"
[22:44:55] *Simetrical 	got asked that in a scholarship interview and totally bombed it
[22:45:53] <MrZ-man|lazin>	I remember having to interview with a committee to get a scholarship, I couldn't think of much to say, so I changed the subject
[22:46:04] <MrZ-man|lazin>	they were all older guys, so I talked about baseball
[22:46:07] <Simetrical>	Did you get it?
[22:46:09] <MrZ-man|lazin>	yes
[22:46:13] *Simetrical 	lols
[22:46:57] <Simetrical>	Why in God's name is writing an essay an important part of application to graduate school in mathematics?  This isn't English, for crying out loud.
[22:48:23] *Simetrical 	is reading statementofpurpose.com
[22:49:14] <werdnus>	MrZ-man|lazin: hahaha
[22:55:13] <werdnus>	Simetrical: what time is Brion usually on?
[22:55:20] <Simetrical>	werdnus, not on Sundays?
[22:55:40] <Simetrical>	9-5 or so M-F PST, I'd assume.
[22:56:28] <werdnus>	he seems to sign on on Sundays occasionally
[22:56:29] <Simetrical>	Is it just me, or do 43329 and 43330 add a parse to every page view?
[22:56:31] <werdnus>	late evening
[22:56:41] *werdnus 	looks
[22:57:46] <Simetrical>	Not to mention spamming body classes and not following the mw- convention.
[22:57:51] <werdnus>	it does
[22:58:22] <werdnus>	I marked 'fixme'
[22:59:03] <Simetrical>	Glory-stealer >:(
[22:59:12] *Simetrical 	marked the one that actually added the parse to every page :)
[23:00:13] <werdnus>	VasilievVV: see above
[23:00:59] <VasilievVV>	Simetrical: ahem, is that too bad?
[23:01:12] <Simetrical>	VasilievVV, um, yes, an extra parse on every page view isn't really acceptable.
[23:01:21] <VasilievVV>	I see
[23:01:21] <Simetrical>	Parses can take worst-case ten seconds or more.
[23:01:22] <VasilievVV>	How can I cache it?
[23:01:25] <werdnus>	It adds at least a few hundred ms
[23:01:27] <werdnus>	VasilievVV: it's already cached
[23:01:28] <Simetrical>	Use the parser cache.
[23:01:41] <werdnus>	VasilievVV: have a look at how categories are done.
[23:01:46] <werdnus>	it'll be stored in the same object.
[23:02:06] <VasilievVV>	werdnus: so if I pass same text to Parser::parse, it would check cache?
[23:02:24] <werdnus>	no
[23:06:00] *Simetrical 	hates sans serif fonts that don't distinguish I and l clearly
[23:07:45] <werdnus>	Simetrical: Serif fonts piss me off in general.
[23:07:58] <Simetrical>	Serif fonts are fine, especially for print.
[23:08:08] <Simetrical>	Although I have my default browser font set to sans.
[23:10:59] <werdnus>	I use two types of fonts: sans and monospace.
[23:11:22] <Simetrical>	What about when you need Gothic?!
[23:11:31] <werdnus>	I don't.
[23:13:28] <VasilievVV>	werdnus: and don't forget Windings, or how's it called :)
[23:13:44] <werdnus>	Wingdings :)
[23:16:05] <Simetrical>	Wingdings is obsoleted by Unicode.
[23:16:13] <chuck>	wingdings!
[23:16:26] *chuck 	thinks that monobook's body { font-family } should be changed to Wingdings for the next release
[23:16:34] <Simetrical>	Nobody should use it except to giggle about how typing "NYC" shows a star of David, sheet of paper looking like a building, and plane or something like that.
[23:16:45] <Simetrical>	chuck, {{sofixit}}
[23:16:48] <Charitwo>	rar
[23:17:14] <chuck>	Simetrical, ;-)
[23:17:29] <chuck>	I don't think brion would be happy
[23:17:52] <Simetrical>	lies
[23:17:58] <Splarka>	L
[23:18:17] <werdnus>	Simetrical: that's Q33NY
[23:18:37] <Kan8eDie>	Hello everyone, I am new to MW, so I was wondering whether anyone could advise.  I have written a patch and intend to do a bit bit more work on cite.php.  There does not seem to be anyone directly responsible for the extension anymore (the author disclaims management and suggested Brion). I am not sure exactly what MW protocol is for these things, since it does not directly address any single bug.  I left a message on Brion's talk page, but it should b
[23:18:53] <Pinky>	Simetrical: NYC is a Jewish star, a skull and cross bones, and then a thumbs up
[23:18:59] <Pinky>	get your conspiracies straight
[23:19:18] <chuck>	:D
[23:19:29] <Pinky>	:P
[23:19:31] <Dantman>	Splarka: ^_^ I know you hate JavaScript, but you might find this interesting; http://nadir-seen-fire.com/blog/js-php-benchmark
[23:19:36] <werdnus>	Kan8eDie: Is it on bugzilla?
[23:19:40] <Splarka>	Kan8eDie: bugzil
[23:19:41] <chuck>	Kan8eDie, Just send it to the regular patches email address then, I'm sure whoever originally developed the extension will be fine if someone else makes a patch.
[23:19:54] <werdnus>	no, put it on bugzilla.
[23:19:59] <werdnus>	Even if it's not a bug, put it on bugzilla.
[23:20:09] <werdnus>	and then harangue brion until he commits it for you.
[23:20:21] <chuck>	is there no patches email address?
[23:20:23] <Splarka>	someone wanting to commit with only CGIIRC access? eep
[23:20:51] <Splarka>	http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/8168/dingsuj5.gif <- Wingdings FTW
[23:21:18] <werdnus>	Simetrical: so I tried to git svn dcommit, but it wants to commit four really random things.
[23:21:21] <Simetrical>	chuck, patches are posted to Bugzilla.
[23:21:39] <Simetrical>	werdnus, it will commit all the commits that are present locally but not upstream.
[23:21:58] <werdnus>	there's only one listed in git log
[23:22:00] <Simetrical>	At least by default.
[23:22:23] <Simetrical>	What else does it want to commit?
[23:22:42] <Simetrical>	It's worked for me.
[23:23:01] <Simetrical>	"Demonstrate a rounded personality."  But I don't have one.
[23:23:07] <werdnus>	Committing to svn+ssh://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/phase3 ...
[23:23:08] <Splarka>	Error: syntax errorSource File: http://nadir-seen-fire.com/blog/js-php-benchmarkLine: 210Source Code:<p>if ...
[23:23:10] <werdnus>	oh, that's it.
[23:23:18] <VasilievVV>	werdnus: about disambigs... I'll fix they tomorrow evening, because it's 2 am
[23:23:18] <werdnus>	Splarka: look over my js
[23:23:30] <werdnus>	http://mwref.werdn.us/mwref.js
[23:23:33] <Splarka>	where?
[23:23:38] *Splarka 	look
[23:23:47] <Splarka>	bad mime type?
[23:24:04] *werdnus 	mehs.
[23:24:09] <Splarka>	ahh
[23:24:09] <Splarka>	Content-Type:	application/javascript
[23:24:13] <Splarka>	asking me to download
[23:24:15] *Splarka 	does a view-source
[23:24:44] <Splarka>	can't you use the existing routines in ajax.js ?
[23:25:16] <werdnus>	It's not for MediaWiki?
[23:25:21] <werdnus>	see http://mwref.werdn.us
[23:25:55] <Splarka>	oh, then why do I care!
[23:26:04] *Splarka 	looks
[23:26:25] <Skwerl>	Is there a channel for wiki code questions in particular?
[23:27:32] <werdnus>	no
[23:28:42] <Splarka>	werd: what does it do? I type, it ajaxes to someting, nothing happens
[23:28:46] *Splarka 	looks at der code
[23:31:56] <Splarka>	werdnus: you wondering why it is doing nothing?
[23:32:18] <werdnus>	Splarka: no, just wanting you to have a look and see if I've done anything stupid.
[23:32:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Include a radio button on the installation screen allowing the wiki' s contents to be licensed from the get-go as public domain - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15125  +comment (10nsk)
[23:32:34] <Splarka>	hmm, oh, well, can you tell me why it isn't doing anything?
[23:32:38] <Splarka>	or, how to get it to do something?
[23:32:40] <werdnus>	What browser?
[23:32:46] <werdnus>	You type into the box.
[23:32:58] <Splarka>	I type 'Foo', nothing happens, no errors
[23:33:14] <Splarka>	Mozilla
[23:33:17] <Splarka>	ajax does its thing, returns http://mwref.werdn.us/mw-function-search.php?input=Foo
[23:33:22] <Splarka>	nothing happens
[23:33:39] <Splarka>	hmm, well, you could put the handler into the doSearch()
[23:33:47] <Splarka>	that saves having a global pollution
[23:34:32] <Splarka>	xmlHTTP.onreadystatechange = function() {
[23:34:36] <Splarka>	stuff here
[23:34:38] <Splarka>	}
[23:34:50] <werdnus>	but it's ridiculously long.
[23:34:59] <Splarka>	yah, bit more indenting, heh
[23:35:18] <werdnus>	plus, what's to pollute?
[23:35:32] *Splarka 	shrugs
[23:35:37] <Splarka>	probably nothing there
[23:35:38] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Change public domain URL to something other than Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16293 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Installation; (nsk)
[23:35:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Include a radio button on the installation screen allowing the wiki' s contents to be licensed from the get-go as public domain - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15125  (10nsk)
[23:35:45] <Splarka>	I think of wikis though, when programming
[23:35:56] <Splarka>	lots to pollute with zillions of potential sibling scripts
[23:36:09] <Splarka>	wtfbbq 16293
[23:36:17] <Splarka>	ahh
[23:36:40] <Splarka>	hmm
[23:36:43] <Splarka>	well, as for the addhandler
[23:36:56] <Splarka>	you might just do the wiki-way, add a <script> at the end of your document to start it
[23:37:07] <Splarka>	that works faster, basically an onDomReady
[23:37:20] <werdnus>	is that better for some reason?
[23:37:38] <Splarka>	removes _addHandler at least
[23:37:54] *Splarka 	shrugs
[23:37:58] <Simetrical>	<script>s at the bottom also don't block the loading of other page elements so badly.
[23:38:01] <Splarka>	looks all kosher but I didn't test it
[23:38:07] <Simetrical>	http://www.twcenter.net/~simetrical/script_serialized.html
[23:38:21] <Splarka>	javascript and XML is dirty anyway
[23:38:28] <Splarka>	Simetrical is a serial killer
[23:39:18] <Simetrical>	werdnus, look at the source code of my script_serialized.html.  It's 100% valid HTML 5.
[23:39:20] *Simetrical 	<3 HTML 5
[23:40:44] <werdnus>	Splarka: oh one other thing -- how do I cancel an XMLHTTPRequest?
[23:40:45] <Splarka>	oh yah, well it isn't HTML 72XP!
[23:40:58] <Splarka>	werdnus: post-send?
[23:41:10] <werdnus>	yeah
[23:41:24] <Splarka>	hmmm, never had to do that before
[23:41:26] <VasilievVV>	Simetrical: is lagging on script_serialized a valid behavior?
[23:41:41] *Splarka 	checks for the abort command
[23:42:36] <Splarka>	I think it is object.abort() but I might misremember
[23:44:33] <Splarka>	hmm, it might not work except on a readystatechange update
[23:45:58] <Splarka>	werdnus: ahh okay, it looks like you can just overwrite the old request
[23:46:08] <Splarka>	except in mozilla...
[23:46:35] <Splarka>	hmm
[23:46:42] <Simetrical>	VasilievVV, what do you mean "valid"?  Like all current browsers do it.  It's not required or prohibited by any standard I know of.
[23:47:09] <Splarka>	werdnus: http://www.quirksmode.org/blog/archives/2005/09/xmlhttp_notes_a_1.html  good explanation in the IE/Moz quirks
[23:52:40] <werdnus>	thanks.
[23:54:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Include a radio button on the installation screen allowing the wiki' s contents to be licensed from the get-go as public domain - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15125  (10nsk)
[23:55:49] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Update to cite.php refs: ids fixed, footnotes, globbed links - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16294 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Cite; (ncw33)
[23:57:48] <Kan8eDie>	As you can see, I just got round to filling the not-bug report.
[23:59:05] <Kan8eDie>	Does this look useful/likely to get applied (with suitable testing etc.)?
[23:59:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change public domain URL to something other than Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16293  (10nsk)