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[00:00:08] hmm [00:00:08] Status (Ransom) column [00:00:09] then we could ORDER BY hs_delta DESC and have an "up and coming articles" page :) [00:00:17] maybe somali pirates hijacked the CSS [00:00:22] werdnum: i was thinking we could just list the per-time-period count in each period rather than a total [00:00:30] so i guess just the delta :) [00:00:39] we can always get totals by adding up the previous entries [00:01:37] That's what I'm doing [00:01:47] but by 'delta' I mean "Number of hits yesterday" - "Number of hits today" [00:02:08] erm, other way around [00:02:12] White_Cat: the border comes from this rule: [00:02:16] .wikitable th, .wikitable td, .prettytable th, .prettytable td { ... } [00:02:29] since it's a td inside a .prettytable or .wikitable, it gets a border [00:02:29] So the "up and coming articles" page would be a page of articles with lots more hits yesterday than today. [00:02:29] you'd need to explicitly remove the border on that cell or set up another rule to do it [00:02:46] uh, again, reverse that. [00:02:47] werdnum: hmm ah i see, you want the derivative :D [00:02:48] *brion always knew that math shit would come in handy [00:02:48] or ... something like that [00:03:05] anyway an idea of how it's changing from yesterday? [00:03:09] do we need to store that or can we calc it fresh? [00:03:36] depends on whether we want to index it. [00:04:11] I was thinking we could CREATE the row with an hs_delta of -(Number of hits yesterday), and increment it per-hit. [00:04:20] well... we want to index it for today's stuff, but do we need to keep it around forever? [00:04:20] erm, INSERT the row. [00:04:20] true. [00:04:38] on the other hand it might be interesting to have historical "these were exciting moments" info [00:05:00] It's only an extra few hundred megabytes, in the scheme of a few hundred million rows, I think [00:05:15] what's a few hundred megs between friends [00:05:24] You don't need derivatives for discrete things like views per day, they're only useful for continuous/instantaneous stuff. Just differences are what we need here. [00:05:49] exactly, Brion :) [00:06:11] remember, of course, that we'd be consolidating old data, too. [00:06:11] oh we could get into all kinds of fun stuff about how hits are discrete while hit rates are continuous :) [00:06:17] yeah [00:06:45] *werdnum throws rocks at brion. [00:06:45] Hit rates aren't continuous unless you smooth them. [00:06:46] well technically speaking the rate varies between 0 and infinity, with no middle ground! [00:07:08] Which would be kind of stupid given that you could achieve the exact same effect by just calculating a delta. :) [00:07:20] depending on how you calculate it ;) [00:07:45] brion: also, I wanted to put in something like Google Trends. You put in a couple of articles names, and it graphs them against each other. [00:07:54] brion how can I override it? [00:08:30] *brion would calculate a smooth rate with a moving window, probably [00:08:30] but... all we need here is big chunks and count the hits within it, probably [00:08:31] werdnum: HOT [00:08:36] brion: it's real simple with the google charts API. [00:08:37] White_Cat: ugly way, put an explicit style="border:none" on each cell [00:08:38] the hardest part is "A UI which accepts more than one article name". [00:08:48] TWO ARTICLES ENTER. ONE GRAPH LEAVES [00:08:49] :O [00:09:01] I need to run up to the store for a few minutes. I haven't got a cosage for my girlfriend's formal this evening. [00:09:05] and I *will* be murdered if I come without one. [00:09:20] *brion looks at terms for google charts [00:09:30] don't get murdered dude [00:09:32] please your woman [00:09:48] http://code.google.com/apis/chart/ [00:09:54] brb :) [00:10:06] 4.2 Google is constantly innovating in order to provide the best possible experience for its users. You acknowledge and agree that the form and nature of the Services which Google provides may change from time to time without prior notice to you. [00:10:11] If you only wanted current trends, you could do a moving average. [00:10:15] Maybe snapshot it regularly for historical purposes. [00:10:38] Then you would only need to maintain one number per article, and it would be a sliding window. [00:10:51] mmm [00:11:12] keeping track of peak rates might be interesting [00:11:12] Instead of "hey, this article is suddenly important now that midnight has passed!" [00:11:39] brion: so, is a comment editing/deletion feature in the works for CodeReview? :) [00:11:43] Skizzerz: not yet, but i bet it could be done. why, you vandalizing? ;) [00:11:50] nah [00:12:15] but features and fun begin with the same letter, so they must have the same meaning! [00:12:37] :D [00:14:22] 03(mod) Search stopped working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16358 (10dasch_87) [00:17:39] hmm... [00:17:39] ohloh seems to have stopped updating itself [00:33:29] 18:14 < Simetrical> Instead of "hey, this article is suddenly important now that midnight has passed!" [00:33:30] hey. [00:33:30] stop making work for me :P [00:33:42] werdnum, moving average is probably less work. [00:33:42] :D [00:33:52] yeah, but I already wrote the other method :P [00:34:51] and I don't understand why a moving average would be *less* work. [00:34:51] It would seem that you would have to store which hits expire when. [00:34:52] Nope. [00:35:11] mm, we should add a mime index on image :P [00:35:15] One field per page. [00:35:15] Unless you want to keep history. [00:35:24] how, then? :/ [00:36:10] Use a weighted moving average. I think this link is what I mean, at a glance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_average#Exponential_moving_average [00:36:16] Hmm, let's see, maybe I didn't think this through. [00:36:27] I guess it'd be a little more complicated. [00:37:10] The way I was thinking is that every interval, you'd average the current value with the value over that interval, probably weighted heavily toward the current value. [00:37:33] I believe that's how load averages are generally calculated in Unix -- they don't maintain a list of all scheduler events for the past 15 minutes, I'm pretty sure. [00:38:53] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_average#Cumulative_moving_average [00:38:53] That's what you're thinking of. [00:39:10] I don't think so. [00:39:40] That would involve throwing things out regularly. [00:39:44] I'm sure there's a reasonable algorithm that would weight things usefully and only maintain a single field per page. [00:39:52] Maybe two fields, last view and the running average. [00:40:23] and count... [00:40:41] Total count over all time? That's not needed for this, I'm ignoring it. [00:40:44] I think it might be sensible to implement first, and *then*, maybe work on some different ways of determining the averages. [00:41:41] 14(INVALID) Core Javascript (wikibits.js, ajax.js, etc.) should not be loaded from different server - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16379 +comment (10brion) [00:47:43] brion: 18:13 < brion> 4.2 Google is constantly innovating in order to provide the best possible experience for its users. You acknowledge and agree that the form and nature of the Services which Google provides [00:47:43] may change from time to time without prior notice to you. [00:47:47] Is that bad? [00:48:01] only if you're paying money [00:48:01] that seems like a normal condition for a free service [00:48:09] it merely amuses me :) [00:48:10] okie :) [00:48:10] oh, and you're only allowed 50,000 graphs per day... [00:48:29] (*different* graphs) [00:48:37] we're generally leery of shelling out to external services in JS, since that exposes users' sessions to a third party [00:49:00] 'tisn't JS. [00:49:00] it's just an image. [00:49:59] teh graphzorz

[00:50:18] hmmmmm [00:50:31] well that still exposes yer ip, user-agent, etc :D [00:50:38] True. [00:50:46] we could always download it to image servers :) [00:51:58] heh [00:52:13] You think I'm joking, don't you? :) [00:52:14] i always hate that balance between reinventing the wheel and not relying on a third party which might shiv ya ;) [00:53:37] well, it *is* google.. [00:53:37] can't squids cache things/images other than your own backends? (bow chicka wow wow) [00:53:50] I mean, not that they're never going to do anything, but it's not some random dude on the intarwebs. [00:54:42] hmmmm, hypothetically [00:54:42] werdnum: right :) [00:55:10] while we think about this, I think you should watch this to clear your head: http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2008/11/dutch_use_43_million_dominoes_to_shatter_all_dominorelated_records-2.html [00:55:27] so, put the src="" pointing to a squiddy domain, and have squid fetch it directly from google if it doesn't already have it? [00:56:20] ... ask if we needed any more proof of the detrimental affects of legalized marijuana [00:56:22] *Splarka waits for 'effect/affect' nazis [00:56:29] heh, writeAPI probably suffers from the same thing [00:56:42] what, detrimental 'affects' of legalized marijuana? [00:56:58] playing with 43 million dominoes for one [00:59:03] brion: I guess I *could* learn to use one of these fancy schmancy OSS graphing frameworks. [01:00:12] :) [01:03:42] so what do you think? Google, CSS + bar graphs, or gnuplot? [01:03:43] try the google ones for now [01:03:47] okie, shall do [01:03:48] if they're awesome enough we'll either decide to use them or be encouraged to make something else awesome ;) [01:04:02] I'll send you some screenshots with my report tomorrow :) [01:06:13] *Splarka ponders saying "You know who else liked screen shots" "Godwin'd!" "No, I meant Elvis" but werdna would yell at him [01:06:34] wha? [01:06:52] (bad jokes) [01:07:51] *werdnum giggles [01:07:51] http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/ [01:18:09] 03(mod) Search stopped working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16358 (10wladston) [01:49:27] 03(mod) HTMLFileCache's $mFileCache is initialized too late - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16388 +comment (10innocentkiller) [01:50:31] is this the place for dumb questions? [01:51:18] yep, except that one [01:51:18] !ask [01:51:18] --mwbot-- Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC. [01:52:24] so, on mediawikis main_page it has the three hub boxes. is there a special formatting command for implementing that into my own? [01:57:00] ...or rather, do you make those 'hubs' with wiki-code, custom css, extensions, etc.? [02:02:38] Hello [02:02:38] hi, currently my mediawiki installation uses uris such as index.php/Main_Page, how do I change that to index.php?Main_Page ? [02:03:02] Not in my pay grade [02:05:31] pheezer: you mean the layout? that is just divs and tables, and css styles, no extensions should be needed [02:07:50] I've tried adding $wgArticlePath = "$wgScriptPath/index.php?$1"; to the LocalSettings.php but then pages don't work on the wiki [02:07:51] are they classes that you can already use in the common.css sheet? [02:10:01] pheezer: Common.css is shipped blank, but there are a few in skins/common/shared.css [02:10:22] just copy what you need from mediawiki.org's (or wherever you see a site layout you like) [02:11:18] ok, thank you [02:11:34] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css [02:11:38] and put it in your [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] [02:13:29] pheezer: and the layout is mostly at : http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Main_page&action=edit and some subtemplates [02:16:57] Can audio captchas be enabled? [02:17:14] if so, how hard is it? [02:21:59] does anyone know a solution to my uri problem? ( I need to change the URIs from index.php/title to index.php?title ) [02:23:15] !shorturl | rand7 [02:23:15] --mwbot-- rand7: To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at . There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem [02:23:46] Geoff_Plourde: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4845 [02:24:57] the problem is IIRC, they don't exist on wikimedia or anywhere in an open source environment (in a suitable non-trivial-to-bypass) method [02:25:00] mwbot: that will not work, I am using a java server, and can not easily make mod rewrite rules, and it will not recognise index.php/title as a php script, but instead index.php as subdirectory, so I need to change the trailing slash to ? [02:27:07] oh I was looking at another page [02:27:08] werdnum: thnx [02:27:46] ok [02:29:25] Geoff_Plourde: more reading... [02:29:25] http://toolserver.org/~amidaniel/chanlogs/%23mediawiki/20080227.txt [02:29:44] http://toolserver.org/~amidaniel/chanlogs/%23mediawiki/20080228.txt [02:29:44] look for 'audio captcha' in browser (ctrl+F) [02:31:26] so even if you can vary the input slightly by changing its frequency, you can still do a brute force attack [02:31:26] etc [02:31:48] more at: http://toolserver.org/~amidaniel/chanlogs/%23mediawiki/20080303.txt [02:32:43] it's very clever, but scary for a captcha designer because it shows you how easily known recordings can be detected even in high noise or distortion [03:05:55] does anyone know how to configure batik? [03:37:51] Woot... JavaScript and dynamic loading of systems... ^_^ gotta love it [04:35:19] Isn't the SiteNotice JavaScript on Wikimedia wikis weird? It has things like "siteNoticeValue = '...';/var" and "msgClose ; = ''if". Is this just some obscure JavaScript syntax I (and IE) don't recognize? [04:37:01] See the last three lines on < http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pathoschild/Sandbox >. [04:40:12] url? [04:40:44] Source code of any page on Meta: < view-source:http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page >. [04:41:00] I see... [04:41:00] var cookieValue = ""; [04:41:00] var msgClose = "dismiss"; [04:41:00] ... what is view-source:? [04:41:34] var siteNoticeID = "2.12"; [04:41:35] yksinaisyyteni: It's used by Chrome; I didn't mean to paste that part. [04:41:36] view-source: is a proprietary mozilla protocol [04:41:52] hm, i don't see siteNoticeID or siteNoticeValue [04:42:01] are you logged in to meta? different for anons [04:42:03] (no cookie stuff) [04:42:20] yes, just checked on secure and it's there [04:43:26] Pathoschild: what do you get with JS disabled? if IE lets you [04:43:27] it looks fine to me also [04:43:27] there's some weird \x in the value, but i assume that's just to escape it [04:43:47] Hmm. It's odd in Chrome, but seems fine in IE and Firefox. [04:43:51] http://p.defau.lt/?Z1rLSgHR0dt76RBxwgweDg [04:44:43] hmm, there is some weird... [04:45:16] http://p.defau.lt/?3YCglkAXvc_ALKtImeupDA that is the post-js-transformy-output [04:46:13] looks okay there though [04:46:13] js-transform? [04:46:13] whatever it is called, the result of the XML after document.write ^_^ [04:46:15] (not typically shown in the view-source) [04:46:23] why are we using document.write ;( [04:46:23] It's probably another weird Chrome error, then. [04:46:48] GOOD question [04:46:48] very fucking good question [04:47:07] but innerHTML is the alternative [04:47:52] (unless someone wants to write an XML parser or include a library for it, or have all the messages designed in js) [04:48:17] it looks wrong in my chrome too [04:48:17] probably a browser bug [04:48:46] http://rafb.net/p/6BZKVG47.html [05:43:46] I am trying to create a wiki for my team. When i am creating a page, after inserting multiple lines, in the view, it showing all the lines combined. I am not seeing any line break icon in the page creation. What the extension that i need to install for getting line break ? [05:44:27] shashi, you just need to either wrap the whole thing in

, or put double line breaks for each new paragraph. [05:46:10] 03(mod) Recursion depth in SMWResultPrinter as configuration parameter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16299 (10for_amby) [05:47:58] or you can place line breaks using
[05:48:28] but double blank lines inbetween paragraphs normally does it [05:48:44] Yes,
solved my problem. Thank you. [06:20:49] 03(mod) Change public domain URL to something other than Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16293 (10nathanlarson3141) [08:06:59] I am trying to upload a Logo in the Main Page. The size of my file is 133*133. I have specified the picture name in LocalSettings.php file. The picture is file is in same directory as LocalSettings.php . After that, if i access the Main page, the page is blank. It is not displaying anything on the browser. But if i remove the $wgLogo line, then all is OK. What i am missing ? [08:07:16] shashi_: you added a syntax error to localsettings [08:07:18] paste the exact line you added [08:07:44] $wgLogo = "hp-logo-black-april08_33.jpg" [08:08:27] <_wooz> lo [08:08:27] specify a full path (starting with '/' or a protocol) and append a semicolon to the line -> ; [08:10:44] Ok, Thanks. i added ";" , Now the main page is displayed on the browser. But the picture is not displayed. [08:11:52] Hello everyone [08:11:53] try $wgLogo = "/hp-logo-black-april08_33.jpg" [08:13:10] I have download the wikipedia dump of 15GB, try to extract, after extraction i can get only 33GB of extracted file and after that error occured. [08:13:29] Can anyone help to get complete dump [08:13:36] Oh! Good, Thank you. [08:14:10] with the semicolon [08:14:10] *Splarka snickers [08:14:18] too many coaches [08:14:19] Splarka: sometimes there are times when you just need to give it to people >.> [08:14:21] p858snake: right, but giving him the wrong info after he just got it working... (you missed the semicolon) [08:14:58] also, the website root at / might not be the right place [08:15:56] does anybody have a suggestion for the best python libraries for parsing/rendering mediawiki, wiki files? I am using mwlib now, but I didn't know if there was something else. [08:16:44] ginovation: check the hash of the compressed file to make sure its not corrupted [08:17:38] p858snake: ya i have done it.no error [08:20:19] p858snake: The downloaded tarball is .tar.7z format. So is there any problem due to archive format. is this the problem of Extraction. [08:23:28] 03(NEW) meta=userinfo&uiprop=rights returns duplicate results - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16398 trivial; normal; MediaWiki: API; (matthew.britton) [08:59:51] 03(mod) meta=userinfo&uiprop=rights returns duplicate results - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16398 (10public) [09:15:21] Hello [09:16:02] Has anyone ever used the new ImageBeforeProduceHTML hook ? [09:27:53] Hi guys, at Commons someone is playing around with automatic translation. It works, but wont this screw up caching? Or can mediawiki handle this [09:27:54] what is automatic translation? [09:28:51] yksinaisyyteni : See for example http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:No_permission_since&action=edit [09:29:03] typically crazy features like content depending on {{int:}} will be screwed up by caching, rather than screw up caching [09:30:42] He wants the GFDL template changed. That one is used in 1,336,375 pages..... [09:31:32] so if the last user was french, and the next english, the english user will see french, assuming the english user doesn't have [x]Disable page caching [09:31:33] parser cache is per-language, iirc [09:31:33] (last user to edit, purge, or whatever) [09:32:16] ((doesn't affect anons since &uselang typically gives them a different URI for the squids to cache)) [09:32:34] (((Eh?))) [09:32:35] ((((((parenthesiseeees)))))) [09:32:47] See for example http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:GFDL/autotranslated&uselang=fr [09:32:57] function() [09:33:40] with &uselang=fr that is a different URL, so the (squid level anyway, dunno about backend) cache treats it differently than without the uselang [09:34:04] I'm trying to understand why ImageBeforeProduceHTML hook doesn't seem to work with my mw1.13.2 . I should be called from |makeImageLink2| but I can't figure out how parser invoke this function. With debug added in parse I can't see no call, but image are rendered, so if there's a image rendering guru it would be helpful :) [09:35:11] Splarka : Yeah, and as a logged in user? I can change my language as a logged in user and that seems to work. [09:36:26] try it (make sure cache isn't disabled in your prefs), what happens? [09:37:05] can you get the wrong message to show if you purge the page in english and change your lang to french? [09:38:09] *MZMcBride doesn't speak French. [09:38:13] mmm, last time I bugged someone about this, the only negative consequences we could work out are more abstract things... like for example... [09:38:24] {{#ifeq:{{int:Yourlang}}|English|[[Category:English]]|[[Category:French]]}} [09:38:32] which category will the page appear in? depends on who last purged/edited it [09:38:33] and other fun stuff [09:39:58] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:No_permission_since works for en & fr (but not nl, but that's probably something else) [09:42:33] anyway, per your question "It works, but wont this screw up caching?" it won't anymore than translation of the UI does [09:43:31] It sure makes it easier for the users. [09:44:32] but it will screw things up in secondary ways [09:45:24] Splarka : Any idea how to get around this hack http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/MediaWiki:Lang/ ? [09:46:05] yah, Stephen Colbert has the right idea [09:46:05] "SPEAK ENGLISH" [09:46:20] you can't translate everything [09:47:29] A lot of users don't speak English. [09:47:56] hmm [09:47:56] well you could probably stick it into MW namespace [09:49:23] No i have to create a subpage at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/MediaWiki:Lang/ for every language [09:49:29] *now [09:49:38] god, imagine translating everything... italian html! [09:49:42] why? [09:50:38] you have a message you want to appear in the user's selected language, or with uselang, _if_ it has been translated, right? [09:50:42] and english if not [09:50:42] Splarka : The code for auto translation is now {{No permission since/{{#ifexist:Template:No permission since/{{int:Lang}}|{{int:Lang}}|en}}|day={{{day}}}|month={{{month}}}|year={{{year|}}}}} [09:51:05] yes/no? [09:51:33] When i set my language to the nl, the template tries if Mediawiki:Lang/nl ({{int:Lang}}) exists. [09:51:58] ... [09:51:58] Yup, that's the plan. I didnt create this btw, just debugging it :P [09:51:58] You have a message you want to appear in the user's selected language, or with uselang, _if_ it has been translated, and english if not, yes? [09:51:58] okay... [09:52:48] *Splarka gets out the mw cheat book [09:52:58] Auto translation is only available in the mediawiki namespace, so this is an easy way to make use of that. [09:53:21] yes but a silly way... [09:53:47] Yep, it's a hack [09:55:14] the correct way to do this is to put the messages into the MediaWiki: namespace [09:55:23] compare: http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thingy http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thingy?uselang=fr http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thingy?uselang=es [09:56:32] only [[MediaWiki:Thingy/es]] and [[MediaWiki:Thingy]] exist [09:56:32] this prevents overabuse of #ifexist and crap like that [09:56:36] (it also pollutes message cache, so should be used sparingly) [09:57:04] I don't think we want to put all templates in mediawiki namespace. [09:57:22] .... you're going to translate all templates into all languages? [09:58:07] Nah, only a small subset. I myself will probably translate some templates to dutch. [09:59:06] well, then you're stuck with that hack, or an extension that does it for you [09:59:34] but you really really should try to do one thing to not annoy or break anyone/anything... [09:59:51] and have nothing but plain text be changed based on the results of int: [09:59:51] certainly have no categories in the translated subpages [10:00:08] but also try not to have images, links, external links.... (interwikis are okay) [10:00:41] because their registered existence in various tables will depend on who saw the page last [10:00:50] Some user from he wikipedia started this. I'm probably going to optimize it to only have the translated text in the subpages, nothing else [10:00:50] that's good [10:01:10] Otherwise when we change the layout of an template we have to change like 20 language versions :( [10:02:30] right, but try to resist even wikilinking any of the words if possible ^_^ [10:02:48] remember, ist das fragile! [10:03:32] hrmf. i'm trying to move a wiki of mine (currently at http://libxml2.dose.se) to a web hotel instead of my own server, but when i try to visit http://foo.com/w/index.php, i get redirected to http://www.foo.com/w/index.php, which doesn't exist.. anyone know what might have gone wrong? [10:06:54] Could anyone know how images are rendered by Parser ? I'm trying to figure out why new ImageBeforeProduceHTML hook doesn't work as expected on my mw1.13.2 ... [10:07:11] what happens is i get 301 Moved Permanently response, but i can't understand why :/ [10:07:28] Splarka : Thanks for your help. Would be nice to have interface stats for Commons now ;-) [10:07:51] the files seems to have correct permissions and all, could it be something with the web hotel's Apache configuration that messes it up.. if so, what would result in a 301 like that? [10:07:51] Multichil: too bad user prefs aren't on toolserver [10:17:56] 04(REOPENED) Draft tab does not disappear after sighting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14561 +comment (10tim) [10:30:37] 03(FIXED) Draft tab does not disappear after sighting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14561 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [10:31:14] How to get wikitext dump [10:31:24] How can i download the total dump of wikipedia in wikitext format [10:33:28] okay, i solved my problem by turning off page caching and then turning it back on ($wgCachePages). [10:33:29] (for anyone with a weird 301 Moved Permanently problem after moving a wiki to another host ^^) [10:45:59] Is there any help for setting up mediawiki? I'm talking about something that would help configure 'sane' settings for permissions. And user management.... [10:53:53] 03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582 +comment (10catlow) [10:54:19] Is there a way to control user logins? [10:54:27] manage users? make them confirm their e-mail addresses? [10:56:31] !access | quentusrex [10:56:31] --mwbot-- quentusrex: For information on customizing user access, see . For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see . [10:56:36] hm... the bot seems sleepy.. [10:56:52] there we go [10:58:18] Duesentrieb, I'm looking for something that will restrict reading of any page other than the home page to 'confirmed' users. [10:58:44] I want to be able to have users confirm their e-mail, then also wait for admin to confirm the users. [10:58:44] follow the links, read the pages [10:59:20] I read the pages... I'm asking is there a simple way to do this other than manually editing config files? [10:59:59] no. [10:59:59] !config [10:59:59] --mwbot-- All configuration is done in LocalSettings.php (near the end of the file). Editing other files means modifying the software. Default settings are not in LocalSettings.php, you can look in DefaultSettings.php. See , , , and [11:00:00] man is tht thing slow today [11:00:00] *Duesentrieb kicks mwbot [11:00:29] ok... [11:00:32] quentusrex: mediawiki is not made for read-restrictions. it's a wiki. [11:00:38] !cms [11:00:38] --mwbot-- Wikis are designed for openness, to be readable and editable by all. If you want a forum, a blog, a web authoring toolkit or corporate content management system, perhaps don't use wiki software. There is a nice overview of free tools available at including the possibility to try each system. For was to restrict access in MediaWiki, see !access. [11:01:09] :) [11:01:09] thanks... [11:03:47] 03siebrand * r43754 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Update 'undelete-show-file-confirm' to allow time and date to be used separately. [11:04:08] Duesentrieb, I think i'm looking for a private wiki. to organize information, rather than to publish the info. [11:04:55] mediawiki can be made to work for that, but other wiki engines are probably better suited. [11:05:06] don't try to mow your lawn with a tank. [11:05:07] :) [11:05:30] do you have an example wiki that might be more suited? [11:06:16] i don't know really.probably something lightweight with permissions and nodb requirement. depends on how many users you want to have, or if this is really a personal desktop thing, etc [11:06:35] !engines [11:06:35] --mwbot-- For a comparison of wiki software, see and [11:06:49] It's for a family website. so mysql db is available... [11:07:03] but it's designed only for the family to use. [11:08:27] as i said: mw *can* be used for that. look around and play with other alternatives. [11:08:48] *i* would use mw, because i can simply hack it to do waht i want. [11:09:06] if you don't like to edit config files, don't try to do this with mw. [11:10:08] 03siebrand * r43755 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFi.php: Fix incorrect setting for namespace alias for NS_IMAGE_TALK from r43687 [11:10:08] I don't mind editing configs. I do it for everything else... It's just getting really old.... and I'm starting to be very glad for guis... They seem to save a lot of time... [11:14:11] Have you considered a free hosting service... such as Wikispaces or YourWiki ? [11:20:19] hrmf. i'm going insane; anyone had this problem http://dose.se/prob.txt ? [11:21:07] ì've tried all variants from http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/wiki/Page_title_--_no_root_access including the suggestions on the discussion page, but they all have the same symptom in one way or another :/ [11:22:14] for some reason the index.php from MediaWiki sends a 301 Permanently Moved, i can't see why.. [11:23:39] 03siebrand * r43756 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFi.php: Remove accidentally added BOM [11:29:13] is DefaultSettings.php automatically created? [11:29:31] no, it's part of the software like the other php files [11:29:36] that's why you shouldn't edit it [11:32:43] quentusrex: Basically when you download mediawiki Defaultsettings.php will already be made, but you dont edit it, Instead make all changes in LocalSettings.php [11:32:45] soz, bold [11:33:48] quentusrex: Localsettings.php is made when you run the installer, after the installer you can manually set parameters as required [11:34:07] Prom_cat, I'm basically trying to figure out how to lock down the wiki [11:34:49] easy [11:34:50] I want something where users can sign up for accounts, but until confirmed they can't do anything at all. [11:34:54] $wgGroupPermissions['*']['read'] = false; [11:34:58] that works [11:34:58] that will stop anon users reading the wiki [11:35:45] and anything else? [11:35:45] you can make a right that you can add to users to allow them to read the wiki eg $wgGroupPermissions['confirmed']['read'] = false; [11:35:54] or you can install confirmaccount extension [11:35:58] $wgGroupPermissions['*']['read'] = true; [11:35:58] ^ [11:36:01] dammit [11:36:24] doyou have a link to the confirmed account extension? [11:36:24] ill get it right in a sec [11:36:35] (The extention is the better way to go) [11:38:17] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmAccount [11:39:09] Now ill fix my pasting errors :P [11:41:36] You want to set $wgGroupPermissions['*']['read'] = false; [11:42:42] And tehn just follow the instructions on the extension [11:44:59] ConfirmAccount extension requires $wgEnableEmail set to true [11:44:59] but it is set to true... [11:45:10]