[00:00:16] <Dantman>	^_^ Splarka, do understand that if I were to focus on one project, it would be the payed one, and then MW would get no improvements from me..... I still do contribute something useful every now and then
[00:00:36] *Splarka 	still needs his dose of "<Splarka> I wrote a javascript workaround"
[00:01:00] <Dantman>	Heh... irony
[00:01:00] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Get count(*) of unpatrolled changes in API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16431 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: API; (lars-wikimediabugzilla)
[00:01:25] <Dantman>	This time I'm the one with the JavaScript workaround... writing a new wiki engine in JavaScript ;) heh
[00:01:36] <Splarka>	so you keep saying, yes
[00:01:54] <Splarka>	and now I'm over my quota of "<Dantman> Actually I'm already working on that"
[00:02:47] <Splarka>	so, you often say javascript is pretty much the same in all browsers in regards to anything that doesn't involve mucking about with the dom... right?
[00:03:05] <Splarka>	(that is, it is a perfect language, parsing it is straightforward for client and server alike)
[00:03:16] <Dantman>	For the most part... though don't go to far
[00:03:22] <Splarka>	right
[00:03:22] <Dantman>	Erm no
[00:03:32] <Dantman>	Server/Client are different
[00:03:39] <Splarka>	I don't mean the same
[00:03:43] <Dantman>	Server side you have full access to a huge amount of goodies
[00:03:52] <Dantman>	(function(x) x*x)
[00:03:53] <Splarka>	but I mean, any server with a javascript engine is pretty much the same as any other server, if no dom is involved
[00:04:04] <Splarka>	and any client vs client
[00:04:49] <Dantman>	Really, this is just SpiderMonkey... any server with SpiderMonkey is the same as another
[00:05:13] <Splarka>	mmm.. well maybe you can answer a question...
[00:05:20] <Dantman>	There are other server side languages that claim to be "JavaScript" but really they are another random dialect of ECMAScript
[00:05:54] <Splarka>	I remember using scriptalicious that the straightforward for(foo in bar) function died horribly, due to that library adding all sorts of implicit properties to every object and array... which annoyed me... as for(in) is so easy and lazy, but using third party libraries is asking for heartache..
[00:06:06] <Dantman>	And client-side you have JScript and JavaScript... As long as you stay out of the DOM, most of the stuff standardized by ECMAScript acts the same in both JScript and JavaScript
[00:06:09] <Splarka>	(this is regarding client side by the way)
[00:06:57] <Splarka>	but I noticed that in some cases, FF3 will add implicit properties to objects... breaking for(in) without explicit property checking 
[00:07:01] <Dantman>	You looking for a good way of doing loops in client-size JS?
[00:07:27] <Splarka>	well, a lazy way
[00:07:35] <Splarka>	there are workarounds in almost all cases...
[00:07:36] <Dantman>	Over an array or object?
[00:07:43] <Splarka>	but for example: http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Splarka/ff3rand.js
[00:07:45] <Splarka>	heh
[00:07:51] <Splarka>	over an object with an array of objects
[00:08:34] <Splarka>	this ^ for example breaks in some people's FF3
[00:08:34] <Splarka>	because the 'cats' object has more properties than are being assigned to it
[00:09:07] <Splarka>	I stopped caring when I saw $family and went with a simple for(var i=0;i< .length
[00:09:46] <Splarka>	but I am wondering if you'd consider that part of the DOM, since it sort of mimicks a dom object, or if you'd call that sloppy code (assuming all input creates predictable output)
[00:10:00] <Splarka>	or a real difference in client interpretation not related to the DOM
[00:10:19] <Dantman>	You ever used the forEach function?
[00:10:22] <Dantman>	https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Core_JavaScript_1.5_Reference/Objects/Array/forEach
[00:10:56] <Dantman>	Implemented in JS 1.6, (since before FF2), and you can stick in a bit of code to implement it in browsers that don't have it already
[00:11:39] <Dantman>	There is also filter, reduce, reduceRight, map, every, and some
[00:11:40] <Splarka>	I think that would suffer the same problem
[00:12:05] <Dantman>	all of them loop in a different way... basically they provide a number of the common array functions you'd use in other languages
[00:12:17] <Dantman>	Cept because you have closures, they work much nicer
[00:13:45] <Dantman>	^_^ Though, if you work server side "for( let key in arr ) ..." works, and you also have "for each( let item in arr ) ..."
[00:14:27] <Dantman>	I even have a nice iterator in the Number system for MonkeyScript "for( let n in (2).to(5) ) ..."
[00:15:07] <Dantman>	and of course I've implemented diff, intersect, and unique for Arrays
[00:16:49] <Dantman>	Btw... on the notion of a JS wiki engine... I have some plans, and ideas documented. It's a fair bit off from being able to serve a page yet though. The current goal is to provide an implementation of FastCGI
[00:16:50] <Dantman>	http://svn.nadir-point.com/viewvc/monkeyscript/trunk/libraries/FastCGI.js?view=markup
[00:17:28] <Dantman>	Ignore the comment about the bitwise test... I already have that completely locally
[00:17:40] <Dantman>	My current holdup is name-value pairs
[00:29:49] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Unreachable article on en.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16430  +comment (10paul.copperman)
[00:47:56] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Unreachable article on en.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16430  +comment (10public)
[01:00:24] <Platonides>	"Death to the old parser! Long live the preprocessor!" xDD
[01:06:32] <p858snake>	why not just change the d: interwiki to something like dict: since it points to Wiktionary?
[01:07:28] <Splarka>	wikt: already exists
[01:07:39] <Splarka>	and all the other projects have single-letter tricks
[01:07:52] <Splarka>	issue of jelousy
[01:11:24] <MZMcBride>	Jealousy, too.
[01:11:29] <p858snake>	single letters seen to cause issues which is bad
[01:13:21] <Splarka>	mixing syntax namespaces, aliases, interwiki, linterlang, and regular page titles is bad
[01:50:54] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Interwiki links from a secure page should be to a secure page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16432 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (wikiwodup)
[02:16:56] <Mike_lifeguard>	Does anyone know what the point of Special:UnwatchedPages is?
[02:18:09] <MZMcBride>	Mike_lifeguard: To list unwatched pages.
[02:18:18] <MZMcBride>	It's helpful on smaller wikis.
[02:18:25] <Mike_lifeguard>	is it?
[02:18:26] <Skizzerz>	Mike_lifeguard: lets sysops know what pages are unwatched and as such may not have vandalism reverted to them when added
[02:18:28] <Mike_lifeguard>	I'm from a smaller wiki
[02:18:34] <Mike_lifeguard>	I don't find it useful
[02:18:41] <MZMcBride>	Small.
[02:18:44] <Mike_lifeguard>	in particular because it doesn't list all unwatched pages
[02:18:58] <MZMcBride>	It lists pages in NS:0.
[02:19:11] <MZMcBride>	It's a very en.wiki-specific feature...
[02:19:15] <Mike_lifeguard>	some of them
[02:19:19] <MZMcBride>	And was made long ago.
[02:19:24] <MZMcBride>	Some?
[02:19:27] <MZMcBride>	Surely not.
[02:19:31] <MZMcBride>	How would you even test that...
[02:19:33] <Mike_lifeguard>	I just don't see how that's useful at all.
[02:19:40] <Mike_lifeguard>	By clicking through the whole list
[02:19:43] <Mike_lifeguard>	it's not that hard
[02:20:06] <Skizzerz>	it's not just pages you aren't watching, but pages that NOBODY on the entire wiki are watching
[02:20:10] <Mike_lifeguard>	One has to assume that there are unwatched pages after whatever letter you get to by number 5000
[02:20:23] <Mike_lifeguard>	Skizzerz: I'm being difficult, not stupid.
[02:20:36] <Skizzerz>	there isn't a (next 5000) link?
[02:20:46] <Mike_lifeguard>	there are no results after 5000
[02:20:52] <MZMcBride>	That's a WMF thing.
[02:20:55] <Skizzerz>	also, that doesn't seem like a "small" wiki :)
[02:21:00] <MZMcBride>	Amen.
[02:21:30] <Mike_lifeguard>	I thought it was "a very en.wiki-specific feature" :)
[02:21:50] <Skizzerz>	but yeah, I've never really used it on any of the wikis I'm an admin on, generally because recentchanges is a lot better for detecting vandalism on small-ish wikis
[02:21:59] <Mike_lifeguard>	I agree.
[02:22:05] <Mike_lifeguard>	Which is why I asked.
[02:23:01] <Splarka>	it should at least list all contentnamespaces
[02:23:55] <Mike_lifeguard>	that's probably true
[02:24:08] <werdnum>	A few unwatched pages on enwiki: # "River of Earth" ‎(Watch) # "Woooo!" ‎(Watch) # $100,000 Fortune Hunt ‎(Watch)# 1798 in India ‎(Watch)
[02:24:48] *Splarka 	goes to vandalize those
[02:24:57] <werdnum>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100_Mile_Rule
[02:25:03] <werdnum>	this looks like it's botted.
[02:25:11] <MZMcBride>	River of Earth?
[02:25:14] <MZMcBride>	Where'd you get that?
[02:25:20] <MZMcBride>	Actually.
[02:25:24] <werdnum>	http://hollywoodawards.com/finalists/features2002.html
[02:25:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Indicate number of users watching a page for privileged users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10753  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[02:25:26] <werdnum>	yep
[02:25:26] <MZMcBride>	Where'd you get any of those titles?
[02:25:31] <Prodego>	anyone recall how to change the footer?
[02:25:37] <MZMcBride>	The en.wiki list doesn't go to the Rs.
[02:25:43] <MZMcBride>	Or even past the 1s...
[02:25:54] <Prodego>	I want to add a line break after "Content is available under..."
[02:25:58] <MZMcBride>	Or quotation marks.
[02:26:01] <MZMcBride>	s/Or/Oh
[02:26:27] <MZMcBride>	Prodego: Edit the system message and add a <br/>
[02:26:34] <Prodego>	yes the problem is which one
[02:26:43] <MZMcBride>	The appropriate one. Duh. 
[02:26:45] <MZMcBride>	:P
[02:26:58] <Prodego>	why didn't I think of that!
[02:27:01] <Dantman>	!allmesages | Prodego 
[02:27:01] --mwbot--	Prodego: I don't know anything about "allmesages".
[02:27:04] <Dantman>	:/
[02:27:17] <Prodego>	yes the problem is you can't search it
[02:27:18] <Splarka>	Special:Allmessages
[02:27:24] <Splarka>	is it so hard to type 'Special:' ?
[02:27:29] *Dantman 	pokes someone who has access to mwbot's factoids
[02:27:32] <Prodego>	because the Content is available under message is hard coded
[02:27:35] <Prodego>	so it isn't in the message
[02:27:38] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special: UnwatchedPages should list unwatched pages in the content namespace(s), not ns:0 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16433 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (mikelifeguard)
[02:27:41] <Prodego>	so there is nothing to search for but $1
[02:27:48] <Prodego>	which is a bad idea :)
[02:28:00] <WaRpAtH>	that Mike files so many bugs ^_^
[02:28:03] <Splarka>	find the wfMsg call in the code
[02:28:13] <Mike_lifeguard>	WaRpAtH: NO U
[02:28:15] <Prodego>	well I was hoping someone would just know
[02:28:39] <WaRpAtH>	^_^
[02:29:05] <Prodego>	new question: where is the footer created in the code 9_9
[02:29:22] <WaRpAtH>	Splarka: my ajax suggestions isn't working again :(
[02:29:30] <WaRpAtH>	who can i complain too? :(
[02:29:38] <Splarka>	stop breaking it!
[02:29:44] <Skizzerz>	Dantman: what?
[02:29:46] <Splarka>	Prodego: http://google.com/codesearch?num=100&q=package%3Asvn.wikimedia.org%2Fsvnroot%2Fmediawiki%2Ftrunk+file%3Aphase3%2F+footer
[02:30:08] <Splarka>	WaRpAtH: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/skins/common/mwsuggest.js?view=annotate
[02:30:19] <Splarka>	looks like mostly rainman
[02:30:48] <WaRpAtH>	:(
[02:31:09] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Appendix error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16434 normal; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (ipatrol6010)
[02:31:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Regex matching in edit summaries should be more aggressive - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16338  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[02:32:58] <Prodego>	got it, thank you Splarka 
[02:33:06] <Skizzerz>	!allmessages is To view a listing of every system message (MediaWiki namespace) on your wiki, browse to your [[Special:AllMessages]] page
[02:33:06] --mwbot--	Keyword "allmessages" already exists. Use "!allmessages del" to remove it.
[02:33:12] <Skizzerz>	?
[02:33:40] <Prodego>	!allmessages
[02:33:40] --mwbot--	For a list of system messages available in the MediaWiki: namespace, see Special:AllMessages
[02:33:42] <Splarka>	...
[02:33:51] <Dantman>	Oohh.. heh
[02:34:01] <Dantman>	typo, no double s
[02:34:03] <Splarka>	!botnoob
[02:34:03] --mwbot--	I don't know everything about everything. I am mostly for lazy experienced users to echo quick answers to very common mediawiki questions. Please don't randomly experiment with me for help. Everything I know is at http://tools.wikimedia.de/~amidaniel/botbrain.html and you can visit #mwbot or privately message me.
[02:34:22] <Splarka>	just check the damn brain lazy bastards ^_^
[02:35:27] <Krimpet>	!next
[02:35:27] --mwbot--	Another satisfied customer. NEXT!
[02:35:34] <Splarka>	!rar | Krimpet
[02:35:34] --mwbot--	Krimpet: rar
[02:36:09] <Krimpet>	Splarka, naughty. RAR is proprietary. Use bz2 or 7z. :)
[02:36:41] <werdnum>	Krimpet: yes, using proprietary stuff is 'naughty' :)
[02:36:46] <Skizzerz>	OH
[02:36:51] <Skizzerz>	Dantman misspelled it earlier
[02:38:32] <Splarka>	.rar, RAR, and WinRar are... rar ain't
[02:39:54] <werdnum>	RARRR!
[02:42:04] <CharlotteWebb>	eh bzip2 is fail
[02:42:49] <CharlotteWebb>	because "the procedure entry point BZ2_bzCompress@8 could not be located in the dynamic link library bzip2.dll"
[02:42:52] *werdnum 	RARRRRRs at Krimpet 
[02:43:12] *Krimpet 	unzips werdnum.
[02:43:18] <werdnum>	o_O
[02:43:28] <werdnum>	NOW YOU SEE THE VIOLENCE INHERENT IN THE SYSTEM!
[02:43:34] <werdnum>	HELP! HELP! I'M BEING COMPRESSED!
[02:43:36] <Splarka>	bow chicka wow wow, chicka wow wow
[02:43:39] <CharlotteWebb>	he's been decompressed on-the-fly
[02:43:44] <Splarka>	binary peasant
[02:44:15] <CharlotteWebb>	worst pun ever
[02:44:44] <werdnum>	I've used that one before in here.
[02:48:05] <CharlotteWebb>	HOLY SHIT it runs now
[02:48:18] <CharlotteWebb>	but i get another error
[02:48:23] <Charitwo>	well, the language probably isn't needed
[02:48:46] <CharlotteWebb>	(rsvg-convert.exe:1196): Pango-CRITICAL **: pango_win32_font_map_get_font_cache:
[02:48:48] <CharlotteWebb>	 assertion `font_map != NULL' failed
[02:48:49] <CharlotteWebb>	**
[02:48:51] <CharlotteWebb>	Pango:ERROR:pangowin32.c:838:pango_win32_font_finalize: assertion failed: (win32
[02:48:52] <CharlotteWebb>	font->fontmap != NULL)
[02:48:54] <CharlotteWebb>	abnormal program termination
[02:48:55] *CharlotteWebb 	dies
[02:51:20] <Gnuyen>	Hi I'm trying to use mediawiki with svg images, and am getting the error Error creating thumbnail: convert: Must specify image size `/tmp/magick-XXvvoBD4'.
[02:51:33] <Gnuyen>	obviously I'm using imagemagick to render the svgs
[02:53:20] <CharlotteWebb>	imagemagick is easy compared to rsvg
[02:53:55] <CharlotteWebb>	that's exactly what i've been dealing with
[02:57:44] <CharlotteWebb>	you probably need to set your $wgSVGConverters['ImageMagick'] in localsettings.php
[02:59:30] <CharlotteWebb>	to include the height and width parameters in the command line
[03:00:48] <CharlotteWebb>	or wait no that probably means the svg file itself doesn't have dimensions specified and imagemagick doesn't want to guess
[03:22:11] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) New extension to enforce minimum password strength. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16435 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Extensions requests; (mikelifeguard)
[03:22:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Improve security for Special:Userlogin (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9816  (10mikelifeguard)
[03:23:11] <Simetrical>	Mike_lifeguard, we've already got one, just it's kept secret . . .
[03:23:22] <Simetrical>	At least, one does detect weak passwords.
[03:24:09] <Mike_lifeguard>	I knew there was a password cracker...
[03:26:59] <Gnuyen>	hrmm is there any easy workaround?
[03:30:21] <CharlotteWebb>	are they all *supposed to be* the same size?
[03:31:34] <CharlotteWebb>	or are there few enough you can check them by hand
[03:39:18] <MZMcBride>	Simetrical: Eh?
[03:39:33] <MZMcBride>	Simetrical: "just it's kept secret" [citation needed]. :P
[03:39:47] <MZMcBride>	You suggesting I couldn't change my password to "a" ?
[03:40:00] <Simetrical>	MZMcBride, I've never seen the source code.  It's not in trunk.  One time it broke and we all saw the exception thrown because the hook returned null, so I know it's there.
[03:40:12] <Simetrical>	MZMcBride, not if you're a sysop.  Or at least, that would be somehow flagged.
[03:40:17] <Simetrical>	Non-sysops it doesn't care about.
[03:40:21] <Simetrical>	AFAIK.
[03:40:27] <Splarka>	you could poke max
[03:46:43] <CharlotteWebb>	flagged as in reported to the house unwikipedian activities committee
[03:55:29] <the_jaymz>	Would someone please recommend a wysiwyg editor for mediawiki-1.13.2? I've been unsuccessful with setting up FSCeditor.
[03:56:04] <MrZ-man|lazin>	!wysiwyg
[03:56:04] --mwbot--	What You See Is What You Get editors allow you to create articles and see the text formatting without needing to Show Preview. A list of wysiwyg editor extensions may be found at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:WYSIWYG_extensions>. For some discussion, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WYSIWYG_editor>. See also <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Usability>.
[03:56:05] <the_jaymz>	Sorry, FCKeditor.
[03:56:49] <the_jaymz>	Thanks! :-)
[04:15:38] *Dantman 	wonders if anyone has tried to do a WYSIWYM editor for MW instead of a WYSIWYG fail
[04:15:57] *Dantman 	refers to something like WYG, not WikiED
[04:16:44] <Dantman>	WYM*
[04:17:04] <werdnum>	what's WYM? What You Mean?
[04:17:43] <Splarka>	what you Mangle
[04:18:35] <werdnum>	:)
[04:19:01] <Splarka>	imagine a world with a nice wikiwyg on wmf
[04:19:03] <Dantman>	http://www.wymeditor.org/
[04:19:06] <Krimpet>	WYSIWYG was originally WYSIWYGH. I don't know where the H went. :/
[04:19:10] <the_jaymz>	I'm about to try MeanEditor. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MeanEditor
[04:19:42] <Dantman>	Oh heh... guess someone did
[04:19:43] <Splarka>	imagine the poor users who don't convert to it, and the muck of markup they will deal with
[04:20:24] <Splarka>	CharlotteWebb knows of what I speak
[04:20:25] <Prodego>	wikicode is insane
[04:20:28] <Krimpet>	"We plan to propose the patch for integration in the Mediawiki core."
[04:20:35] *Prodego 	using template:TOC as an example again
[04:20:35] *Krimpet 	guffaws...
[04:22:59] *Dantman 	personally doesn't like WYMeditor's layout
[04:23:38] *CharlotteWebb 	proposes a wikotine patch for the real addicts
[04:24:16] <Dantman>	IMHO, every one of the big attempts at giving MW WYSIWY[GM] have failed simply because they tried to integrate an already existing WYSIWY[GM] editor which was designed for HTML or HTML like languages
[04:24:41] <CharlotteWebb>	and if it's anything like pagemill it will be bloatware
[04:24:51] <Prodego>	and also because you just can't do it in javascript
[04:25:01] <Prodego>	it will be too big
[04:25:20] <CharlotteWebb>	a wikitext dom standard would be a good starting point
[04:25:30] <Dantman>	XWT?
[04:25:59] <Dantman>	http://dev.dev.wiki-tools.com/extensions2/TestingGrounds/XWT.php
[04:26:15] <Dantman>	Actually, it's a little screwed up at the moment
[04:26:35] <Dantman>	I was probably working on it without testing before I stopped
[04:27:20] <Dantman>	But I've already said it before
[04:28:40] <CharlotteWebb>	document.getElementsByTagName("ref")[4].getTemplates("cite book")[0].getParameter("isbn"); etc
[04:32:29] <Dantman>	"Dantman finds WikiText far to simple and far to complex at the same time"
[04:37:38] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Don't add block log entry if no settings actually change - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16436 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Blocking; (mikelifeguard)
[04:44:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Set $wgRestrictDisplayTitle to False on Chinese Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16427  (10skjackey.tse)
[04:48:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Set $wgRestrictDisplayTitle to False on Chinese Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16427  normal->15enhancement; normal->high (10skjackey.tse)
[04:56:00] *Dantman 	likes how ECMAScript's labels ({label:value}) don't need quoting, but wishes JavaScript would add some syntax to allow one to evaluate a label
[04:56:51] <Dantman>	Something like ({[labelVar]: value}) or ({(labelVar): value})
[05:31:14] <Splarka>	bah, why is there no 'blocker + enhancement' severity
[05:35:23] <MrZ-man|lazin>	:P
[05:48:32] <Splarka>	this is not a dupe of 2537, very different...
[05:48:59] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Ability to preview vector/re-rendered images in Special: Upload "warning" interstitial. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16437 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Images; (herd)
[05:49:38] <Splarka>	ugh, bugzilla parse 'comment ##'? damn yous
[05:50:30] <Splarka>	(not a dupe because it has nothing to do with the summary, mostly)
[06:22:11] <Prodego>	mm how do you set up the pseudo namespaces?
[06:22:17] <Prodego>	I can't find anything on mediawiki.org
[06:22:24] <Prodego>	(I mean things like WP:)
[06:23:29] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgNamespaceAliases
[06:23:46] <Prodego>	ah ok
[06:23:52] <Splarka>	on en.wp for example:
[06:23:53] <Splarka>	        'WP' => NS_PROJECT,
[06:23:53] <Splarka>	        'WT' => NS_PROJECT_TALK,
[06:23:57] <Prodego>	I saw that but I guess I didn't understand what it was saying
[06:23:58] <Prodego>	thank you
[06:24:04] <Splarka>	rar
[08:19:55] <^rumput_kering^>	hi.what extension i must install so i can use code "<ref></ref> " for my reference? 
[08:22:02] <p858snake>	i think its Cite
[08:22:27] <p858snake>	!cite
[08:22:27] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite
[08:30:08] <^rumput_kering^>	p858snake, thank you :)
[08:31:16] <p858snake>	^rumput_kering^: the pleasure is all mine, knowing that i could help you
[08:52:08] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r43868 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/Configure.settings.i18n.php: fix typo
[09:03:22] <Dantman>	Mmmm.... FastCGI
[09:13:25] <_wooz>	lo
[09:18:01] <Landlordos7>	o hi
[09:25:10] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r43869 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Added bytes changed filter
[09:41:54] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Get count(*) of unpatrolled changes in API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16431  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[09:43:04] <werdnum>	Splarka: maybe we should move collapsible boxes into MediaWiki core.
[09:53:13] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r43870 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (Block.php specials/SpecialBlockip.php): 
[09:53:13] <CIA-60>	* I didn't even notice the extra reblock check; merged this into submit button with hidden input.
[09:53:13] <CIA-60>	* Break long line
[09:53:13] <CIA-60>	* (bug 16436) Don't log if nothing changed
[09:53:27] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Don't add block log entry if no settings actually change - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16436  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[09:55:01] *Splarka 	stares at werdnum
[09:55:13] <Splarka>	well, maybe it a totally non-broken way eh? heh
[09:55:46] <Splarka>	not like sortable tables was, which is a travesty
[09:56:00] <Splarka>	oop brb
[09:59:27] <Splarka>	all this <div id=""> that and <span class=""> that is sorta naughty for JS (although out of core there are few alternatives)
[09:59:33] <Splarka>	but lets look at the choices...
[09:59:52] <yksinaisyyteni>	the other day i was thinking JS would be much nicer if html were more semantic (onoes, i said it)
[10:00:10] <Splarka>	it can be done like the toc, which emits a <script> (unnecessarily) and sticks the code right in the rendered output
[10:00:18] <yksinaisyyteni>	for example, if you could use XML+XSLT, and run the javascript on the XML instead of the generated HTML
[10:00:31] <Splarka>	or it can parse after trying to much about with user-create embedded divs and spans, creating the control content on the fly
[10:00:49] <Splarka>	now, while JS controls are good to have only when JS is working and enabled (like edit buttons), creating too much content this way is boggy
[10:01:55] <Splarka>	JS should enhance, not hinder...
[10:02:25] <Splarka>	hmm
[10:03:25] <Splarka>	also there is the matter of...
[10:03:45] <Splarka>	what to do about printability? some things probably should be expanded even if default hidden without JS enabled..
[10:03:54] <Splarka>	some things probably should never be printed even if usually visible...
[10:04:08] <Splarka>	so you have to basically choose, for a given object...
[10:04:40] <Splarka>	shown or hidden at init when JS is enabled? shown or hidden permanently for non-JS users? shown expanded or hidden on print?
[10:05:08] <Splarka>	(who prints anymore, that should be a crime or something)
[10:06:06] <Splarka>	so, there are like, 3 basic choices...
[10:06:38] <Splarka>	first is to just move the existing code to wikibits.js, although with some more standardizations and css definitions (and variations) for printing ...
[10:07:11] <Splarka>	second is to make a sort of parser-function or xml tag...
[10:08:30] <Splarka>	<hiddencontrol>id=hideable-1\nshowtext=show\nhidetext=hide\ninit=show\nprintable=yes</hiddencontrol><div id="hideable-1"></div>
[10:10:06] <Splarka>	which would then create an <a class="mw-toggle-visibility" onclick="toggleVisiblity('hideable-1')>hide</a> at that location... and a simple appendCSS('body .mw-toggle-visibility {display:inline;}') in wikibits.js (and have it hidden in common/shared.css
[10:10:36] <Splarka>	this is a bit dirty, but would be much faster client-side than the ugly parsing script you need for the first example
[10:11:06] <Splarka>	(though I'm not sure how it would tell the div to be printable... actually..)
[10:11:21] <Splarka>	((it would probably have to emit a <style> inline with the div ID, ug))
[10:12:18] <Splarka>	the third choice is somewhere in between, kind of like the TOC
[10:13:56] <Splarka>	faster : (all generated clientside) sortable/edit tools/preferences <-> (partially generated) toc/charinsert <-> (pre-generated server  side) old charinsert/not much else
[10:14:05] <Splarka>	er, slower->faster
[10:22:26] <wRAR>	can I rename an uploaded image?
[10:29:47] <Dantman>	wRAR, ^_^ if you are running 1.14 and enable the experimental feature, theoretically, yes...
[10:31:42] <wRAR>	ok :)
[10:43:15] <Guest10167>	Hi guys - very new to mediawiki, having a newbie problem: {{TOCright}} - from what I gather it should float the contents table to the right(?). When I do it, all it does is print: "Template:Right" to the page, as a link to index.php?title=Template:TOCright&action=edit&redlink=1 ...any help greatly appreciated
[10:44:09] <Splarka>	templates are user-created, you have to copy that template from wherever you saw it used
[10:44:32] <Splarka>	probably http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:TOCright
[10:45:44] <Guest10167>	Ahh...cheers Splarka. So, TOCright is an entire template? It will be used instead of my current template?
[10:46:18] <Splarka>	you have a current template?
[10:46:28] <yksinaisyyteni>	Guest10167: a template is a piece of pre-created text you insert into a page
[10:46:40] <yksinaisyyteni>	you type {{Foo}} and it inserts the content of the page [[Template:Foo]] into the page
[10:46:40] <Splarka>	you copy that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:TOCright to your index.php?title=Template:TOCright&action=edit
[10:46:49] <Splarka>	and then your {{TOCright}} placement will work
[10:46:59] <Guest10167>	*nods* Cheers Splarka. :-)
[10:47:59] <Splarka>	(ignore the missing documentation, you can add or remove it later, and it only makes the template page itself look odd)
[10:48:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Indicate number of users watching a page for privileged users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10753  +comment (10waldir)
[10:51:24] <werdnum>	Splarka: do we have 'add class X to element Y' in MediaWiki js?
[10:52:09] <Splarka>	nope, but that's pretty straightforward... obj.className += ' foo'
[10:52:21] <Splarka>	Y.className += ' X'
[10:52:31] <werdnum>	hehe, what about when I want to remove a class? :)
[10:52:35] <werdnum>	do I have to use regexen :<
[10:52:55] <Splarka>	well
[10:53:09] <Splarka>	foo = Y.className.split(' ')
[10:53:26] <Splarka>	for(var i=0;i<foo.length;i++) {
[10:53:45] <Splarka>	  if(foo[i] == 'X') foo[i] = ''
[10:53:46] <Splarka>	}
[10:53:49] <werdnum>	yuck.
[10:53:55] <Splarka>	Y.className = foo.join(' ')
[10:54:20] <Splarka>	it is less dirty than a regex, just a bit longer
[10:54:42] <Splarka>	js needs more array tools, heh
[10:54:50] <Splarka>	(time machine, clue-by-four)
[10:59:18] <yksinaisyyteni>	hmm, i thought google chrome was going to be better than it is
[11:02:44] <Splarka>	chrome is a micrometer-thin surfacing that makes something look like silver, very shiny, resistant to tarnish, but is cheap underneith and easily damaged
[11:02:50] <Splarka>	appropriate name
[11:03:09] <Splarka>	silver is the most reflective element, but chrome is much more resistant to corrosion
[11:20:21] <werdnum>	yksinaisyyteni: I find it reasonably competitive with Firefox, except on one detail - extensibility.
[11:29:14] <Dantman>	^_^ And OS compatibility... for now
[11:30:13] <Dantman>	"Silly google eyes... chrome is for gnome..."
[11:40:26] <uffiole>	hi all
[11:40:48] <uffiole>	is it possible in recentchanges to have each page listed only once?
[11:42:34] <Splarka>	try 'Enhanced Recent Changes' in Special:Preferences
[11:46:05] <uffiole>	Splarka: thx. Is it in default 1.12 installation?
[11:46:22] <uffiole>	sounds like an extension...(?)
[11:48:35] <Splarka>	it is core, it has been around for a while
[11:48:51] <Splarka>	Special:Preferences in the [recent changes] section
[12:01:18] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) \varphi is not always displayed correctly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16438 major; normal; MediaWiki extensions: texvc; (Till.Mossakowski)
[12:05:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:WantedFiles does not look on shared repositories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15688  (10vinhtantran)
[12:10:49] <uffiole>	thats good to know. thx Splarka. 
[12:11:51] <uffiole>	but i guess it is not sufficient for me, I do another Issue Tracker extension with own namespace
[12:13:02] <uffiole>	so best will be to have it's own special page
[12:13:08] <Splarka>	you could add the pages to your watchlist, which only shows the top edit (although you have to add the pages to it, it can't watch pages it doesn't know about(
[12:13:11] <Splarka>	)
[12:13:59] <uffiole>	i see
[12:14:44] <Splarka>	but you can watch pages that haven't been created yet, if you can predict the name
[12:14:47] <uffiole>	but i guess i want the issues to be sortabel by status and type
[12:14:57] <Splarka>	ahh, then you want your own special page, heh
[12:15:30] <uffiole>	:) hmm
[12:15:45] <uffiole>	would be nice to be done with RC
[12:15:59] <uffiole>	would have been nice 
[12:51:06] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r43871 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (6 files): 
[12:51:06] <CIA-60>	Configure extension usability:
[12:51:06] <CIA-60>	* Hide massive stuff like group permissions with a collapse box.
[12:51:06] <CIA-60>	* Use more descriptive columns than 'key' and 'value', individually per-setting.
[12:51:06] <CIA-60>	* Move around some vars, including a 'popular' tab for logo, namespaces, group rights, and other stuff that's actually important.
[12:51:10] <CIA-60>	* Fix up some descriptions.
[13:09:26] <CIA-60>	03ashley * r43872 10/trunk/extensions/SocialProfile/SystemGifts/ (SpecialPopulateAwards.php SystemGiftsClass.php): 
[13:09:26] <CIA-60>	*check for 'awardsmanage' right rather than group membership on Special:PopulateAwards
[13:09:26] <CIA-60>	*follow coding conventions on SystemGiftsClass.php
[13:17:45] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) wikibits.js - Sorting fails if bottom row hasn' t enough columns - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16439 minor; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (paul.copperman)
[13:25:10] <eghjaytee>	I would like to be able to use session data to hide a site notice, kind of like the current site notice on wikipedia, but I can not view its source. Can anyone direct me to a page that talks about using session data for templates or give me any insight on how it is done?
[13:32:46] <mutante>	my wiki cant send out emails, mail system is not configured correctly somehow, where can i tell Mediawiki to use an external mail server of my friend to send out forgotten passwords and notifications
[13:33:12] <mutante>	i see $wgEnableEmail   $wgEmailAuthentication  $wgPasswordSender   , but not something like $smtp_server 
[13:36:34] <mutante>	ok,  $wgSMTP = array(
[13:37:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) wikibits.js - Sorting fails if bottom row hasn't enough columns - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16439  (10paul.copperman)
[13:55:07] <[KrusheR]>	hi
[13:55:14] <[KrusheR]>	has someone tried the FCKeditor for mediawiki?
[14:04:01] <Laaknor>	!ask [KrusheR] 
[14:04:01] --mwbot--	Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[14:04:13] <Laaknor>	and yes, I have tried it
[14:04:33] <[KrusheR]>	i was wondering if someone managed to add a "signature" button to it
[14:05:24] <Laaknor>	hmmm, haven't tried that
[14:05:53] <[KrusheR]>	is that even possible?
[14:08:19] <Laaknor>	everything is possible. Question is if it's easy or hard to do it (a manual on how to do it, or if you have to modify the sourcecode)
[14:11:29] <pingouin>	!die 
[14:11:29] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "die".
[14:11:34] <pingouin>	!god
[14:11:34] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "god". You might try: !answer !wikipedia 
[14:11:44] <pingouin>	damn it
[14:11:53] <Duesentrieb>	!botnoob | pingouin
[14:11:53] --mwbot--	pingouin: I don't know everything about everything. I am mostly for lazy experienced users to echo quick answers to very common mediawiki questions. Please don't randomly experiment with me for help. Everything I know is at http://tools.wikimedia.de/~amidaniel/botbrain.html and you can visit #mwbot or privately message me.
[14:12:31] <pingouin>	lazy bot
[14:13:21] <Laaknor>	indeed
[14:20:25] <Vini175>	hi
[14:20:33] <Vini175>	I nedd some help
[14:20:37] <Vini175>	need*
[14:20:57] <Laaknor>	then please ask your question so that someone can find out if the can help you
[14:21:08] <Laaknor>	they*
[14:22:34] <Vini175>	a bot can edit a user talk and the user be watched?
[14:22:51] <Waldir>	i think he means "warned"
[14:22:55] <Waldir>	with the orange bar
[14:23:09] <Vini175>	yes
[14:24:09] <Waldir>	(i don't know the answer, btw)
[14:24:23] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Check and delete empty tex images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16440 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (cbm)
[14:24:36] <Betacommand>	Vini175: if the bot marks it as minor
[14:24:38] <Betacommand>	no
[14:24:50] <Betacommand>	if its not minor they get the orange bar
[14:25:00] <Vini175>	ok... thanks
[14:25:55] <carl-m>	is the keyword for shell access in bugzilla "shell" or "!shell" ? 
[14:28:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Check and delete empty tex images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16440   +shell (10cbm)
[14:28:35] <Duesentrieb>	carl-m: shell. bugzilla will tell you when you use an invalid keyword, by the way
[14:28:54] <carl-m>	thanks. I realized too late there is a link to a list of all keywords
[14:29:29] <carl-m>	next someone will tell me that  "shell" is redundant on a site request
[14:50:24] <Garnol>	Hi People i got a problem installing mediawiki
[14:50:33] <Garnol>	This is what it says:       Warning: dl() [function.dl]: Dynamically loaded extensions aren't enabled in /var/www/mediawiki/install-utils.inc on line 19
[14:50:35] <Garnol>	      Could not load MySQL driver! Please compile php --with-mysql or install the mysql.so module. 
[14:52:02] <Dantman>	Then the mysql driver isn't installed...
[14:52:34] <Garnol>	mysql seems to be working on my system
[14:52:43] <Garnol>	is a additional driver requiered?
[14:52:48] <Dantman>	mysql is not the same as the mysql driver
[14:52:48] <Garnol>	how is it called?
[14:53:00] <Dantman>	You have access to the php.ini?
[14:53:10] <Garnol>	yes i think so
[14:53:29] <Garnol>	yep, du to it being my local system running the mysql
[14:53:34] <Dantman>	Then make sure that there is an "extension=mysql.so" line in it
[14:54:34] <Garnol>	added the line, but it didnt work
[14:54:45] <Dantman>	Restart your webserver yet?
[14:54:57] <Garnol>	oh, whats the command for this?
[14:55:11] <Dantman>	That depends on what webserver you are using
[14:55:40] <Garnol>	apache2 it is called i think (im running linux)
[14:55:56] <Dantman>	sudo apache2ctl restart
[14:56:03] <Garnol>	thanks
[14:58:00] <Garnol>	huh, "chould not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain ..."
[14:58:58] <Garnol>	eventhrough it seems so work
[14:59:02] <Garnol>	thank you very much
[15:02:17] <eghjaytee>	is there an extension in use right now to hide and show the sitenotice on wikipedia? Does it store preferences in a cookie?
[15:03:34] <Norsys>	Hi
[15:09:47] <Garnol>	what DB username do i have to enter? -- i can not set it with wikidb or something like this?!
[15:16:04] <Platonides>	Garnol, you can create one when intalling mediawiki if using the root account option
[15:18:52] <Garnol>	im in the config menu now, but somehow it does not allow me to create a db username. Do i have to use a certain one?
[15:19:06] <Dantman>	!e Dismissable  DismissableSiteNotice/
[15:19:06] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Dismissable
[15:19:09] <Dantman>	agh
[15:19:20] <Dantman>	!e DismissableSiteNotice | eghjaytee
[15:19:20] --mwbot--	eghjaytee: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DismissableSiteNotice
[15:19:29] <Dantman>	Damn laptop keyboard
[15:19:44] <Garnol>	?
[15:20:15] <Platonides>	mediawiki intallation page?
[15:21:36] <skial>	how do i sul myself?
[15:23:15] <Garnol>	platonides i am on the installation page, but i cant create a DB username. Maybe it hast not the permission to write to the media daabase?
[15:23:31] <Platonides>	do you have root access to the db?
[15:24:20] <Garnol>	the db is on my local host, but in ubuntu you have to use sudo to have root access to system files
[15:24:21] <techman224>	Is Aaron here
[15:24:42] <Garnol>	i could change the permissions by chmod command
[15:24:43] <techman224>	Garnol, do sudo bash
[15:24:51] <techman224>	to get a root prompt
[15:26:59] <Garnol>	i need to change the permission of the db file so that the installation can change it
[15:27:16] <Platonides>	Garnol, check the use root account option
[15:27:29] <Platonides>	and provide there the mysql root password
[15:27:38] <Platonides>	(not the same as the linux root)
[15:27:48] <Platonides>	it may be blank, or some ubuntu default
[15:27:59] <Garnol>	i just started my mediawiki
[15:28:08] <Garnol>	where can i check that option?
[15:30:36] <eghjaytee>	Dantman: thank you
[15:35:20] <Garnol>	platonides it still does not work
[15:35:51] <Garnol>	platonides what do you mean by use root accoutn option?
[15:36:38] <Garnol>	oh this one, after 50 times it worked xD
[15:44:41] <lch>	is there some way to check the ForeignAPIRepo stuff for problems?
[15:44:55] <lch>	because nothing is being displayed for me anymore
[15:45:48] <lch>	i'd like a little more verbosity as to what the problem is
[15:46:05] <lch>	or something to test the issue
[15:50:16] <techman224>	HAs antone here deleloped flagged revs
[15:50:24] <techman224>	anyone here?
[15:50:32] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r43873 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/Configure.settings.i18n.php: article -> page
[15:50:45] <techman224>	let me try that again
[15:51:07] <techman224>	Has anyone here developed Flaggedrevs
[15:54:19] <techman224>	andrew___, you here?
[16:17:09] <JosefAssad>	hullo
[16:18:19] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r43874 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
[16:18:19] <CIA-60>	* Remove project+main search to reduce clutter
[16:18:19] <CIA-60>	* Tweak search messages
[16:19:51] <JosefAssad>	Is this the right place to describe a problem I have with an extension and see if anyone knows what to do about it?
[16:20:04] <techman224>	JosefAssad, yes
[16:20:08] <JosefAssad>	cool
[16:20:25] <JosefAssad>	Let me fetch MW and extension versions...
[16:20:46] <techman224>	anyone here can help me with flaggedrevs
[16:20:49] <techman224>	?
[16:21:43] <JosefAssad>	Mediawiki 1.13.2 , PHP 5.2.5 , MySQL 4.1.22. I'm trying to install the TinyMCE extension (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TinyMCE_MW) and have followed the installation instructions to the letter.
[16:22:21] <JosefAssad>	I get a blank page when I enable it. Enabling display_errors in LocalSettings.php , I get the following:
[16:23:02] <JosefAssad>	(wait for it...) :)
[16:23:14] <JosefAssad>	Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in /home/sancair/public_html/wikineering/extensions/TinyMCE_MW.php on line 239
[16:23:23] <JosefAssad>	said line is as follows: 
[16:23:37] <JosefAssad>	                        while (preg_match("|<($tag.*?)>(.*?)</$tag>|is", $tinymcetext, $a)) {
[16:24:15] <Charitwo>	JosefAssad: consider pastebins
[16:24:40] <JosefAssad>	Charitwo: of course you're right; it's been a while since I error reported. Apologies all
[16:25:55] <JosefAssad>	I am pretty sure I'm soing something very silly, but I'm no php or MediaWiki guru. Does anyone have any ideas?
[16:33:29] <JosefAssad>	meh, I think I got it
[16:37:26] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r43875 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (CHANGELOG Configure.js Configure.php): 
[16:37:26] <CIA-60>	Tweaks for r43871:
[16:37:26] <CIA-60>	* Added CHANGELOG entry, bumped version and $wgConfigureStyleVersion
[16:37:26] <CIA-60>	* Insert "[show details]" and "[Hide details]" before "Setting details hidden" and "Setting details can be hidden" so that the link appears inside the box and not below
[16:40:36] <guaka>	hey, I'm dealing with a weird issue, whenever there is a + in the URL MediaWiki's output is nil, I'm using 1.13.2, and nginx
[16:58:06] <Platonides>	guaka, look at the error log
[16:58:15] <Platonides>	it's probably related to your rewrite rules
[16:59:46] <guaka>	hey, I figured it out already, it was a hack I added in LocalSettings to be able to generate sitemaps
[17:00:17] <guaka>	..in combination with a hack to have multiple sites running on one install
[17:10:37] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r43876 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/Configure.i18n.php: Update message 'configure-view'
[17:20:35] <kynlem>	How can I have several columns of output like on Wikipedia index page?
[17:32:37] <JosefAssad>	does anyone have experience with MediaWiki+FCKEditor? I'm considering installing it, but I was wondering if it will break/break on existing pages which were written using MediaWiki's regular input box...
[17:33:30] <JosefAssad>	kynlem: I'd suggest you review mediawiki markup for tables first, then sift through the wiki markup source of the wikipedia page
[17:34:33] <kynlem>	Thanks
[17:35:32] <JosefAssad>	kynlem: it's really mostly tables and styling
[17:47:25] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r43877 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/specialpages/RatingHistory_body.php: Add missing @fclose( $fp );
[18:19:27] <YameteKudasai>	hi
[18:22:42] <YameteKudasai>	I've just upgraded MW 1.10.1 to 1.13.2 and, when I tried to upload an image, a prefix with my username was added
[18:23:15] <YameteKudasai>	username--image.ext
[18:23:38] <YameteKudasai>	How can I avoid that?
[18:37:17] <YameteKudasai>	does anyone know it?
[18:37:46] <ialex>	it shouldn't do that
[18:39:27] <YameteKudasai>	hum...
[18:47:05] <HardDisk_WP>	hi
[18:47:35] <HardDisk_WP>	in LogEventsList::logLine, how can I access the unique DB key of the log line?
[18:59:21] <HardDisk_WP>	ialex, if I modify an existing hook (add a parameter, in this case the hook is LogLine), is there anything I have to do?
[18:59:35] <ialex>	HardDisk_WP: update docs/hooks.txt
[18:59:57] <ialex>	(and mw.org too would be nice)
[19:00:19] <HardDisk_WP>	ialex, okay, and what about extensions using the hook? have they to be updated?
[19:00:37] <ialex>	HardDisk_WP: if you add a new param, no
[19:00:53] <HardDisk_WP>	okay :)
[19:01:08] <ialex>	but always put the new param at the end
[19:02:38] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r43878 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (CHANGELOG writePHP.inc): 
[19:02:38] <CIA-60>	Fatal error: Call to undefined method ConfigurationSettings::getNotEditableSettings() in extensions/Configure/writePHP.inc on line 200
[19:02:39] <CIA-60>	(seems that aaron forgot to update it in r43565)
[19:02:53] <HardDisk_WP>	ialex, 'course^^
[19:03:19] <HardDisk_WP>	ialex, does an extension just containing a hello-world-special page exist?
[19:03:44] <ialex>	HardDisk_WP: sure, one sec
[19:04:17] <ialex>	HardDisk_WP: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/examples/FourFileTemplate/
[19:04:44] <HardDisk_WP>	thanks!
[19:08:03] <HardDisk_WP>	ialex, last question: how do I make an extension contain both a special page and a hook using LogLine?
[19:08:30] <ialex>	HardDisk_WP: put the hook either in the main file or in a new file
[19:08:55] <HardDisk_WP>	okay, and the function is in main level and not in a class, correct?
[19:10:53] <ialex>	you can do both (I would recommand a new file if it's in a class)
[19:20:40] <HardDisk_WP>	ialex, uh... if the extension is called EditLog and the special page defined by $wgSpecialPages['EditLog'] = 'EditLog';, why is the SP title then &lt;editlog&gt; ?
[19:21:28] <ialex>	HardDisk_WP: you need to define a editlog message
[19:21:37] <ialex>	(page name in lowercase)
[19:22:58] <HardDisk_WP>	ialex, ok thanks...works!
[19:23:20] <HardDisk_WP>	ialex, yet another question: which wg-array is supposed to load files that contain hooks?
[19:23:50] <ialex>	no one
[19:24:03] <ialex>	$wgAutoloadClasses if it's in a class
[19:24:10] <HardDisk_WP>	ah, so simply require() it in EditLog.php?
[19:24:16] <ialex>	yeah
[19:39:22] <techman224>	Does anyone know flaggedrevs?
[19:39:34] <techman224>	I need help with the autopromote stuff
[19:40:46] <techman224>	I want to know what...
[19:40:56] <techman224>	$wgFlaggedRevsAutopromote['spacing']
[19:40:58] <techman224>	and
[19:41:07] <techman224>	$wgFlaggedRevsAutopromote['benchmarks'] are
[19:41:13] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) [feature requests] "Protection conflicts" like " edit conflicts" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16441 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page protection; (af)
[19:41:55] <HardDisk_WP>	ialex, uh... http://pastebin.com/m39d30ed3 => every page has "ficken!!" in it, but Special:Log doesnt do anything...can I debug hook handling?
[19:44:11] <HardDisk_WP>	what did I miss?
[19:47:04] <ialex>	HardDisk_WP: what should it do?
[19:47:40] <ialex>	Warning: Missing argument 8 for attachEditLogLink() in /Library/WebServer/Documents/misc/conf/conf.php on line 607 <- I suppose it's the new param
[19:47:43] <HardDisk_WP>	ialex, simply *do* something, but I have found the error...LogLine hook is only called for unknown log entries -.-.-.-
[19:48:07] <HardDisk_WP>			} else if( self::typeAction($row,array('delete','suppress'),'delete') && $wgUser->isAllowed( 'delete' ) ) {
[19:48:33] <ialex>	yeah
[19:48:34] <HardDisk_WP>	this is true on deletion log entries, and so the else { wfRunHooks... is never called, argh
[19:49:18] <HardDisk_WP>	ialex, do you think I can modify the wfRunHook so that it's called for every log entry instead only for unknown ones?
[19:49:31] <ialex>	no idea
[20:09:58] <HardDisk_WP>	ialex, http://pastebin.com/m1324af61 => http://localhost/mediawiki/index.php?title=Special:EditLog&target=14 doesn't output Dump: 14, only Dump:
[20:12:07] <ialex>	HardDisk_WP: hmm, works for me
[20:12:23] <HardDisk_WP>	strange o_O
[20:12:55] <HardDisk_WP>	ialex, can I somehow debug wgrequest?^^
[20:14:00] <ialex>	http://pastebin.com/md06705
[20:14:48] <ialex>	this is var_dump( $wgRequest ); in SpecialEditLog::execute()
[20:15:09] <HardDisk_WP>	uaah
[20:15:20] <HardDisk_WP>	it's not *param*, but *target*
[20:16:29] <ialex>	$wgRequest->getText('param'); <- param, not target
[20:16:42] <HardDisk_WP>	yeah^^
[20:59:18] <Yamikuronue>	Hello
[21:03:51] <Yamikuronue>	Ok, well, I'm trying to install mediawiki on my personal server, and it tells me "Environment checked. You can install MediaWiki.", and lets me enter in some config details, but there's no button to click to continue? Just a form with no submit button. Does anyone know how to fix that or get around it so I can install?
[21:05:37] <ialex>	isn't there an "Install MediaWiki" button at the bottom?
[21:06:21] <Yamikuronue>	Nope. A list to select language and then nothing.
[21:07:24] <ialex>	O_o
[21:08:23] <Yamikuronue>	Yeah, my thoughts exactly. 
[21:08:25] <chuck>	How do I make it so that links to images get changed into <img> tags?
[21:08:45] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r43879 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
[21:08:45] <CIA-60>	* Fix userlist time range query
[21:08:45] <CIA-60>	* Remove IE cruft
[21:08:45] <CIA-60>	* Other random fixes
[21:08:45] <CIA-60>	* Add 3 month interval
[21:08:45] <CIA-60>	* Remove redundant styling
[21:10:02] <Yamikuronue>	It does tell me "Couldn't find Turck MMCache, eAccelerator, APC or XCache; cannot use these for object caching." and "GNU diff3 not found.", but I figured if that would stop me from installing it would give me an error, not just...remove the button?
[21:10:39] <Duesentrieb>	Yamikuronue: look at the html source.
[21:10:44] <Duesentrieb>	does it end with </html>?
[21:10:55] <ialex>	might be a PHP error...
[21:10:59] <Yamikuronue>	nope. Just <option value="dk" >dk - Dansk (deprecated:da)</option>, then nothing
[21:11:00] <Duesentrieb>	if not, it's truncated fro some reason. possibly by a fatal php error.
[21:11:20] <Duesentrieb>	Yamikuronue: so it breaks for some reason. fatal php errors should be logged somewhere
[21:11:27] <Duesentrieb>	ask your host about it
[21:11:34] <chuck>	anyone know the config variable I'm talking about?
[21:11:53] <Yamikuronue>	the last thing in my php log involves a test script I was playing with on october 25th 
[21:12:02] <Yamikuronue>	well, in php_error.log
[21:12:53] <Duesentrieb>	then perhaps it's logged elsewhere?
[21:12:54] <Yamikuronue>	apache has some errors: [Sun Nov 23 15:44:50 2008] [error] [client 65.190.245.88] client denied by server configuration: C:/Program Files/Apache Software Foundation, referer: <my ip>/wiki/
[21:13:08] <Duesentrieb>	!externalimages | chuck
[21:13:08] --mwbot--	chuck: To allow images from elsewhere to be included in your wiki, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgAllowExternalImages>. To limit this to some specific sources, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgAllowExternalImagesFrom>.
[21:13:09] <Yamikuronue>	and then [Sun Nov 23 15:58:59 2008] [error] [client 85.190.0.3] Attempt to serve directory: E:/wamp/www/  
[21:13:28] <Yamikuronue>	the heck does that mean?
[21:13:45] <Duesentrieb>	don't know, but doesn't look like php errors
[21:13:51] <Yamikuronue>	right. 
[21:14:07] <ialex>	Yamikuronue: isn't there something like "PHP fatal error:"?
[21:15:03] <Yamikuronue>	Not in the apache log, it has a number of cryptic messages, and the php log has nothing this whole past month
[21:17:11] <Yamikuronue>	php is set to track errors, both apache and php are higher version than required... *frowns at it*\
[21:18:08] <Skizzerz>	Yamikuronue: is apache allowed to access those directories you are mentioning?
[21:19:20] <Yamikuronue>	Should be. I'm running it in windows and didn't specify for it not to; it's all under the proper directory to be served to the web.
[21:19:39] <Skizzerz>	I meant like E:/wamp/www/ and the like
[21:20:34] <Yamikuronue>	E:/wamp/www is the root directory for the webspace, the wiki's in a subfolder of that. 
[21:20:52] <Skizzerz>	hmm...
[21:20:55] <Skizzerz>	idk then
[21:21:27] *Yamikuronue 	frowns at the list of errors
[21:22:02] <Yamikuronue>	[Sun Nov 23 10:47:31 2008] [warn] (OS 121)The semaphore timeout period has expired.  : winnt_accept: Asynchronous AcceptEx failed.  [Sun Nov 23 11:03:40 2008] [error] [client 61.185.130.40] File does not exist: E:/wamp/www/manager  [Sun Nov 23 07:49:37 2008] [error] [client 60.172.222.17] script 'E:/wamp/www/proxyip.php' not found or unable to stat  
[21:22:10] <Yamikuronue>	Am I supposed to put some of the files elsewhere?
[21:23:09] <Yamikuronue>	From what I understnad, I unzipped the folder to a subfolder of my webspace, created the proper database in mysql, then navigated to it and... that's where I ran into the no-button problem. 
[21:24:33] <Duesentrieb>	Yamikuronue: yes, that should work. and the errors above don't sound like they are related to mediawiki. 
[21:24:44] <Duesentrieb>	i have no idea what proxyip.php would be.
[21:25:07] <Yamikuronue>	Me neither. 
[21:25:14] <Duesentrieb>	the client ips vary
[21:25:24] <Yamikuronue>	Ah.
[21:25:28] <Duesentrieb>	i guess you are just seeing random requests/scans from the web
[21:25:47] <Yamikuronue>	probably. Ok, right, I should only worry about the ones from my own IP
[21:26:09] <Yamikuronue>	which are just the "client denied by server configuration"
[21:28:17] <Yamikuronue>	aha! google tells me that's a common problem with apache 2.2 using various forum, et cetera software.. *looks for solution*
[21:31:14] <Yamikuronue>	...well that error stopped, but there's still no button. Fun.
[21:43:36] <Yamikuronue>	Hmm. Well, I'll go work on some other stuff and hope an idea occurs to me. Thanks for the help.
[21:55:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Users can login with global account and create an account in a wiki even if IP is blocked from account creations - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11148  (10spacebirdy)
[22:04:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add Hooks to SpecialImport and SpecialExport - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11539  +comment (10rv1971)
[22:05:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Import should have a hook - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11537  (10rv1971)
[22:13:33] <DarkriftX>	how do i change a users password (or reset it)
[22:14:59] <MrZ-man>	!passwordreset
[22:14:59] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Password_Reset
[22:15:09] <MrZ-man>	or
[22:15:11] <MrZ-man>	!passwordsql
[22:15:11] --mwbot--	UPDATE user SET user_password=MD5(CONCAT(user_id, '-', MD5('password'))) WHERE user_name='John Smith';  This will reset the password for the user with user_name 'John Smith' to 'password'. 
[22:15:20] <Rappy>	hi
[22:15:42] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r43880 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (specialpages/RatingHistory_body.php svggraph/svgGraph.php): Pretty up graphs for imagemagick
[22:17:53] <Rappy>	anyone here?
[22:18:00] <Skizzerz>	!ask | Rappy
[22:18:00] --mwbot--	Rappy: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[22:18:36] <Rappy>	well forgive common curtisies, I said "hi" and no one responded.
[22:19:39] <Rappy>	Is there a template made that will repeat a given character or phrase a number of times? If so, can I be pointed to it?
[22:22:10] <DarkriftX>	anyone know the best way for me to generate a md5 hash of a word? lol
[22:22:24] <DarkriftX>	im going to edit the pw in the database but not sure where a good place to generate one is
[22:22:43] <Reedy>	DarkRift, that update query does it
[22:22:50] <Reedy>	using the MD5() function of MySQL
[22:22:52] <DarkriftX>	nvm
[22:23:03] <DarkriftX>	im using phpmyadmin and have no idea how
[22:23:07] <DarkriftX>	so i generated one
[22:23:38] <Reedy>	if you used a query editior, it'd let you do SELECT MD5('password')
[22:24:38] <DarkriftX>	if i paste that line above into the query editor it would work?
[22:25:01] <DarkriftX>	well, after editing it
[22:25:08] <Reedy>	yeah
[22:25:11] <Reedy>	thats the idea
[22:25:21] <DarkriftX>	ok
[22:27:51] <DarkriftX>	hrmmmm, #1146 - Table 'droidwiki.user' doesn't exist 
[22:28:10] <Reedy>	have you got a table prefix?
[22:28:30] <DarkriftX>	dw_
[22:28:52] <Reedy>	change user to dw_user in the update query
[22:29:04] <DarkriftX>	k, thx :)
[22:40:24] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r43881 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/specialpages/RatingHistory_body.php: font tweaks
[22:41:04] <DarkriftX>	thx for the help Reedy and whoever else helped
[22:41:10] <Reedy>	:)
[22:41:11] <Reedy>	np
[22:45:50] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r43882 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/specialpages/RatingHistory_body.php: tweak offsets
[23:03:30] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) API: Add a recursive mode to list=categorymembers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16442 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: API; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[23:06:26] <Rappy>	how can I get {{padleft:}} to NOT treat a star as a wiki bullet? adding <nowiki> tags around it causes the template to fail.
[23:06:33] <Rappy>	{{padright:<nowiki>*</nowiki>|8|*}} <-- results in ONE star, the original <nowiki>'d one
[23:07:07] <werdnum>	I don't know what padleft does :)
[23:07:42] <Rappy>	{{padleft:5|4|0}} will pad the left side of 5 with 4 0's
[23:08:09] <Rappy>	problem is, when using *'s it treats them as bullets
[23:08:28] <werdnum>	I don't understand.. presumably you mean "Up to 4 0s"
[23:09:05] <werdnum>	as you may as well type 00005 if it's exactly four zeroes.
[23:09:42] <Rappy>	sorry, makes it the length of the 2nd param
[23:09:44] <Rappy>	{{padleft:7|3|0}} = 007
[23:10:09] <Rappy>	{{padleft:bcd|6|a}} = aaabcd
[23:10:24] <werdnum>	yeah, so "up to three zeroes"
[23:10:42] <werdnum>	anyway, presumably the problem is that the <nowiki> is being treated as longer than that.
[23:10:59] <werdnum>	Perhaps you can add 8+9 to the number '8', and it will work properly.
[23:11:17] <werdnum>	try {{padright:<nowiki>*</nowiki>|25|*}}
[23:11:31] <ghee22>	hello, I'm having an issue with <noinclude>
[23:12:11] <Rappy>	leaves me with ONE star, the first <nowiki>'d one
[23:13:31] <Rappy>	without the <nowiki> it results in 25 square bullets
[23:13:51] <lch>	I need to troubleshoot the ForeignFileRepo stuff
[23:14:04] <lch>	my Wiki can't use it anymore, from yesterday to today
[23:14:16] <lch>	how can I test and find out what the problem is?
[23:15:27] <Rappy>	which is odd, because it seems padleft/right starts off on new line (adding a <br /> before the padding?)
[23:16:16] <lch>	rappy, are you trying to pad with stars, too?
[23:16:43] <lch>	{{padright:*|8|<nowiki>*</nowiki>}}
[23:16:48] <lch>	hmm
[23:16:55] <lch>	that's probably going to make trouble, too
[23:17:10] <lch>	look into the ExpandAfter extension, maybe it helps
[23:17:26] <lch>	I'd assume that it calculates the nowiki tags towards the pad size
[23:20:10] <Rappy>	werdnum alrady thought of that by trying it with a param of 25
[23:20:23] <Rappy>	which also didn't work
[23:21:27] <Rappy>	and yes I am padding with *'s ideally I want this as a template showcasing 10 stars based on input of the template... the input one color, the rest another color... problem is, it bullets them instead
[23:22:35] <Rappy>	'''<font color="#FF6600">{{padright:a|8|a}}</font><font color="#BBB">{{padleft:a|{{#expr:10-8}}|a}}</font>''' <--- works fine as a's
[23:22:46] <Rappy>	but fubar's with *'s
[23:24:09] <Reedy>	whats the html code for it?
[23:24:17] <Reedy>	tried that instead?
[23:24:57] <Rappy>	no I haven't
[23:25:50] <werdnum>	Rappy: Also, try a template for the stars, and use that.
[23:25:54] <Reedy>	Or that
[23:25:57] <Reedy>	yeah
[23:26:02] <Reedy>	Why there is {{!}}
[23:26:27] <Rappy>	there isn't a template already to give me a star, is there?
[23:26:28] <Reedy>	*it's why
[23:26:33] <Reedy>	create one
[23:26:37] <Rappy>	=p
[23:26:38] <Reedy>	Template:*
[23:26:42] <Reedy>	Contents: *
[23:29:05] <Splarka>	Rappy: do you have the ParserFunctions extension? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Loop
[23:33:00] <Rappy>	ty Splarka
[23:33:25] <Rappy>	I didn't have that on the wiki I was editing, but I added it and it works just like I wanted to...
[23:33:27] <Rappy>	{{loop|4|<nowiki>*</nowiki>}}
[23:33:45] *Splarka 	nods
[23:33:49] <Rappy>	Reedy - {{*}} didn't work in that instance.
[23:33:51] <Splarka>	there is a bug in parser functions and magic words
[23:33:59] <Rappy>	I am finding this out
[23:34:22] <Splarka>	if it starts with a first-character formatting character like space, ;:#*, that gets treated as occuring after a newline
[23:34:40] <Splarka>	{{PAGENAME}} on [[*foo]] for example
[23:35:12] <Splarka>	Rappy: if you need to loop in two dimensions, there is also: http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Tile
[23:35:18] <ghee22>	does <noinclude></noinclude> work for anyone
[23:37:48] <Pinky>	]/w 32
[23:38:13] <Splarka>	<Reedy> Why there is {{!}}  <-- parserfunctions use a pipe as a hard-delimiter (excepting covered ones, that is, pipes inside [[]] and {{}} and {{{}}}) for their options, so no uncovered pipes are allowed. Any instances where a pipe is needed (like literally, or in an external URL) in a parser function need to be escaped to the HTML entity
[23:38:29] <Splarka>	however, wikitables use bare unescaped pipes for formatting, and the entity won't work, but a transclusion will
[23:39:08] <Splarka>	hindsight is [[Perfect vision|20/20]]
[23:39:20] <Splarka>	ghee22: what is your noinclude prob?
[23:39:48] <ghee22>	Splarka:  it doesn't block the text in b/t on templates or on pages that use templates
[23:40:53] <Splarka>	hmm
[23:41:01] <Rappy>	Splarka - no, one dimension is perfectly fine... '''<font size="6" color="#FF6600">{{loop|{{{1|0}}}|<nowiki>*</nowiki>}}</font><font size="6" color="#BBB">{{loop|{{#expr:10-{{{1|0}}}}}|<nowiki>*</nowiki>}}</font>'''
[23:41:11] <Splarka>	it should block them on the pages that use the templates, unless you've <nowiki>'d them or html commented them out
[23:41:11] <Rappy>	works like a charm
[23:41:23] <Splarka>	goodgood
[23:41:44] <ghee22>	splarka:  i have not <nowiki>'d them.  Let me try putting it at the top of the template, before any other code is in
[23:42:23] <Splarka>	ghee22: try a simple version, create Template:Foo with contents  <noinclude>No include</noinclude> Always include <includeonly>include Only</includeonly>
[23:42:30] <Splarka>	and put {{foo}} on another page
[23:43:42] <Rappy>	thanks again Splarka (if only I had that answer an hour ago =p)
[23:44:11] <ghee22>	Splarka:  trying...
[23:44:42] <werdnum>	Splarka: I'm using border-bottom on two adjacent table cells. How do I get rid of the little 2px gap between the two borders?
[23:44:46] <Splarka>	hmm, methinks that en.wp {{Loop}} could be simpler
[23:44:57] <ghee22>	Splarka:  Ok it works!  I see what i did, i had an unclosed tag
[23:45:22] <ghee22>	separate question, is there a way to hide text in a page? (like a comment)
[23:45:27] <Splarka>	werdnum, hmm, depends on if it is padding, cellpadding, or margin
[23:45:28] <Reedy>	<!-- -->
[23:45:32] <ghee22>	Splarka:  thank u
[23:45:40] <Splarka>	ghee22: no prob
[23:45:55] <Reedy>	ghee22, ^ html comment
[23:45:59] <Splarka>	werdnum: is it a default <table> and/or {| in a mediawiki?
[23:46:04] <werdnum>	Splarka: never mind, found it.
[23:46:08] <Splarka>	heh k
[23:46:12] <Splarka>	which was it?
[23:46:12] <werdnum>	it's a default <table> in an extension.
[23:46:23] <werdnum>	looks like the trick was border-spacing: 0;
[23:46:31] <ghee22>	Reedy, like this <!-- hides>
[23:46:34] <Splarka>	k
[23:46:46] <Reedy>	<!-- hidden text -->
[23:49:23] <werdnum>	Splarka: how wide should I made a collapse placeholder div
[23:49:25] <lch>	so, back to my question then, how can I troubleshoot that ForeignFileRepo doesn't work for me anymore?
[23:49:41] <lch>	any way for me to check what the issue is?
[23:49:57] <werdnum>	I put it at 100ex, but I think that's too wide for some screens.
[23:50:00] <Splarka>	werd: for the control, the header, the parent, or the dynamic content?
[23:50:10] <werdnum>	Splarka: the header.
[23:50:28] <Splarka>	can't you leave it the natural width? divs expand to fill their situation
[23:50:42] <Splarka>	(and setting 100% in some cases as you say can make it too wide)
[23:51:52] <Splarka>	... tables and divs, are you creating both collapsible tables and navframe divs in an extension?
[23:52:01] <ghee22>	Reedy:  thanks!
[23:52:05] <Reedy>	np
[23:52:09] <werdnum>	Splarka: see http://werdn.us/~andrew/Configure-Screenshot2.png
[23:52:22] <Splarka>	oh, you're mimicking it, I see
[23:52:25] <werdnum>	and yes, I'm using two divs, not a table where the header is shown.
[23:52:28] <Splarka>	so _that_ is why you wanted it core, heh
[23:52:33] <werdnum>	:)
[23:52:48] *Splarka 	clicks, waits
[23:53:17] <Splarka>	hmm
[23:53:27] <chuck>	Are there docs for {{fullurl}} anywhere?
[23:53:34] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words
[23:54:14] <Splarka>	werd: so the blue-header boxes are tables, the group name and the nav div are in separate adjacent cells (and delete this entry in a third)...
[23:54:16] <werdnum>	Splarka: incidentally, do you like the layout?
[23:54:23] <werdnum>	yeah
[23:54:27] <Splarka>	the yellow color is a bit sickening but otherwise yah
[23:54:28] <werdnum>	the yellow stuff is a div
[23:54:35] <Splarka>	where is the second div?
[23:54:38] <werdnum>	and there's a hidden diff underneath it
[23:54:43] <Splarka>	okay
[23:54:49] <chuck>	Splarka, Is there any way to just get a URL that has ?step=second onto the current URL?
[23:54:50] <werdnum>	so if you click [show details], it pops out
[23:55:09] <Splarka>	chuck: {{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|step=second}}
[23:55:16] <chuck>	thanks
[23:55:33] <Splarka>	werd: I'd say specify no width, but give it margin:0 .5em; or such
[23:55:47] <Splarka>	hmm
[23:55:57] <Splarka>	if you wern't in a table cell I'd say put both divs in their own div
[23:56:03] <Splarka>	but a table cell does that pretty much already
[23:56:05] <werdnum>	fine, I set the colour of the box to #ccd
[23:56:08] <Splarka>	heh
[23:56:18] <werdnum>	Actually, I think I may have set the min-width of the table
[23:56:25] *chuck 	stabby the external URL image
[23:56:44] <Splarka>	chuck: external image URLs' must end with an image extension
[23:56:58] <Splarka>	.jpg .gif .png etc (the regex is in the parser somewhere)
[23:57:00] <Splarka>	you can game it...
[23:57:07] <Splarka>	{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|step=second&cheat=.jpg}}
[23:57:08] <werdnum>	Splarka: when I set no width, the table grows and shrinks, which is hideous.
[23:57:08] <chuck>	no, i mean the little square with the arrow thing.
[23:57:12] <Splarka>	ahh
[23:57:21] <Splarka>	chuck <div class="plainlinks">
[23:57:26] <chuck>	yeah
[23:57:33] <Splarka>	werdnum: set the table width 100%
[23:58:11] <Splarka>	heh...
[23:58:15] <Splarka>	you could also, um... cheat
[23:58:23] <werdnum>	Splarka: now the 'Delete' column takes some of the width.
[23:58:29] <Splarka>	have the toggle set the td height, and have overflow:hidden;
[23:58:30] <Splarka>	hmmm
[23:58:40] <Splarka>	set the delete column width explicitly
[23:58:57] <Splarka>	(and probably all the other columns)
[23:58:57] <Splarka>	and use em; so it scales
[23:59:06] <Splarka>	...this is why tables suck
[23:59:41] <werdnum>	how wide is that button in em?
[23:59:53] <werdnum>	is the answer "trial and error"?