[00:00:09] <Splarka>	well, is that styled text or an <img> ?
[00:00:18] <Splarka>	heh, if it is an <img> then actually you probably want px
[00:00:29] <Splarka>	and yes, the answer is "trial and error"
[00:00:37] <Splarka>	Welcome to the internet
[00:01:00] *Splarka 	thinks
[00:02:08] <werdnum>	is what styled text or an image?
[00:02:23] <Splarka>	[Delete this entry]
[00:02:30] <werdnum>	it's a button.
[00:02:33] <Splarka>	yes
[00:02:35] <werdnum>	10em seems to be about right.
[00:02:40] <Splarka>	but is it an <input> with text or an image?
[00:02:49] <Splarka>	I can't tell anymore, browsers style them so oddly sometimes
[00:03:11] <chuck>	how would I get a full url if I'm using HTML?
[00:03:26] <Splarka>	(you could also make the <input> 100% width for that column)
[00:03:26] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r43883 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (7 files in 2 dirs): 
[00:03:27] <CIA-60>	Add skeleton for Special:Translations, meant to display all translations for a
[00:03:27] <CIA-60>	message that are present as a page. No page content is being displayed yet, need
[00:03:27] <CIA-60>	some advice on that. Also replaces that Special:Prefixindex toolbar link.
[00:03:33] <Splarka>	HTML?
[00:04:06] <werdnum>	Splarka: text...
[00:04:07] <Splarka>	werd: okay 10em is right then
[00:04:07] <werdnum>	Splarka: Now the 'group' bit is stealing all the space :)
[00:04:10] *Splarka 	grins
[00:04:19] *werdnum 	adds a class, rinses, lathers, repeats.
[00:04:19] <Splarka>	yes, it would
[00:04:24] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Suggestion for Mediawiki: Link Image option - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16443 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Images; (tim987)
[00:04:41] <Splarka>	if you set the widths of all but one, that one will get the extra width
[00:04:43] <werdnum>	Can't I make browsers pretend the content is shown?
[00:04:46] <chuck>	is there some way to get the title object for the current special page?
[00:05:59] <werdnum>	(in scaling the table)
[00:06:01] <Splarka>	werdnum: horizontally but not vertically?
[00:06:01] <werdnum>	chuck: $this->getTitle()
[00:06:01] <werdnum>	yeah :)
[00:06:02] <Splarka>	bit if a pipe dream
[00:06:02] <Splarka>	although there is table-layout: fixed;
[00:06:03] <Splarka>	but... that will make your head hurt
[00:06:04] <werdnum>	Sigh.
[00:06:04] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r43884 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/SpecialTranslations.php: Remove debug code
[00:06:04] <werdnum>	Time machine, clue-by-four.
[00:06:05] <Splarka>	yepyep
[00:06:06] *Splarka 	thinks
[00:06:06] <Splarka>	you want dynamic content to take up horizontal but not vertical space...
[00:06:09] <Splarka>	visibility:hidden; would do both horizontal and vertical...
[00:06:11] <werdnum>	until you click [show details]
[00:06:14] <Splarka>	display:none; does neither...
[00:06:18] <Splarka>	hah
[00:06:42] *Splarka 	suggests for CSS7: visiblity-horizontal:hidden; display-vertical:none;
[00:06:49] <werdnum>	ew
[00:06:57] <Splarka>	well
[00:07:06] <Splarka>	all I can think of, if you're sticking with tables..
[00:07:09] *werdnum 	just gives the 'Group' column a fixed width
[00:07:19] <Splarka>	make the parent table 100%, make these sub-tables 100%, and set all but that one column to a set width
[00:07:41] <Splarka>	and give that column's TDs: overflow: auto;
[00:08:11] <Splarka>	just in case
[00:08:16] <Splarka>	wait, is there a parent table over the whole form?
[00:08:55] <Splarka>	if so, give the columns (all but the one these sub-tables appear in) a set width too, or at least a percentage
[00:10:22] *werdnum 	toys with some %
[00:11:03] <Splarka>	(tables are nice for auto-adjusting their full width for the situation, but with dynamic content this can be bad)
[00:11:31] <werdnum>	okay, set at 15em now
[00:11:35] <werdnum>	looks *much* better.
[00:11:40] <werdnum>	just gonna check out the other types of tables.
[00:12:29] <Splarka>	the only other thing I can think of offhand is to set the width of that table column to a fixed width (a minimum width isn't supported by many browsers yet), and give it overflow:auto;, but then you get scrolling
[00:15:20] <Splarka>	do you have a non-JS fallback?
[00:15:32] <Splarka>	it is easy, and even without horrible on-load content jumping
[00:15:57] <Splarka>	appendCSS('.hiddenDiv {display:none;}')
[00:16:27] <werdnum>	Splarka: yeah, of course.
[00:16:31] <Splarka>	in any JS in the head and then the content is hidden before the page is even loaded
[00:18:31] *Splarka 	gives werdna a cookie <3
[00:20:23] <Splarka>	werd: you post a lot of full-screen screenshots I notice... reminds me of http://www.trueppc.com/gallery2/d/102690-1/desktopiq4.jpg
[00:23:58] <werdnum>	not full-screen
[00:24:24] <werdnum>	it's always alt-printscreen and I can't be fucked to crop :)
[00:25:23] *Splarka 	grins
[00:25:30] <werdnum>	lol, shemale vids?
[00:25:55] <Splarka>	that's from http://www.serboard.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7285&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15
[00:26:14] <Splarka>	and also: http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=2405634&cpp=1
[00:27:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Interwiki search won' t work when cross-project and cross-language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15850  (10kooliamdabest)
[00:28:29] <Splarka>	[Youtube - Delicious Ki...] [Dilate or Shrink Your P...]  those could have alt meanings...
[00:31:13] <werdnum>	heh
[00:31:17] <werdnum>	pupil :P
[00:31:24] <werdnum>	http://www.wikihow.com/Dilate-or-Shrink-Your-Pupils-on-Command
[00:31:36] <werdnum>	this is my favourate one
[00:31:38] <werdnum>	http://royal.pingdom.com/2008/11/14/the-worlds-most-super-designed-data-center-fit-for-a-james-bond-villain/#comment-305066
[00:31:41] <Splarka>	yah, I can do that, I use a flashlight
[00:31:42] <werdnum>	favourite**
[00:32:58] <Splarka>	> If you're putting up pictures of yourself, such as for an online dating profile, edit them to make your pupils larger. 
[00:33:06] <Splarka>	heh
[00:33:46] <werdnum>	that's most of the reason I bookmarked it. It looks hillarious :P
[00:33:49] *werdnum 	brb, toasting croissant.
[00:33:54] <werdnum>	mmmm, ham and cheese croissants.
[00:34:04] <Splarka>	http://www.boingboing.net/2008/08/11/contact-lenses-for-a.html  anime baby
[00:38:09] <Splarka>	heh, is that fog good for the computers?
[00:47:25] <chuck>	How would I add more style stuff for a certain extension
[00:48:19] <werdnum>	Splarka: http://werdn.us/~andrew/Configure-Screenshot3.png
[00:48:22] <werdnum>	what it looks like now
[00:48:30] <werdnum>	I'm not sure whether to make the namespace checkboxes collapsible.
[00:48:37] <werdnum>	They don't take up much space, but they're so busy.
[00:49:32] *Splarka 	clooks
[00:50:42] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Suggestion for Mediawiki: Link Image option - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16443  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[00:51:10] <Splarka>	hmm
[00:51:16] <Splarka>	you could have a <select multiple="multiple">
[00:51:28] <Splarka>	with a modest height (size="")
[00:51:49] <Splarka>	but that is annoying for configuration
[00:52:26] <Splarka>	heh
[00:52:34] <Splarka>	what happens if Media has subpages?
[00:54:12] <Splarka>	Werd: why don't you pair them off in two columns, or use that floaty trick the new advanced search does
[00:54:20] <Splarka>	then they'll be worth hiding, and you can add more info
[00:54:55] <Splarka>	[x] | media | (no talk)  | (no talk) | -1  | pseudo namespace
[00:55:00] <Splarka>	[x] | special | (no talk)  | (no talk) | -1  | pseudo namespace
[00:55:03] <werdnum>	Splarka: what's the floaty trick?
[00:55:22] <Splarka>	[x] | (Main) | [x]  | Talk | 0  | The main content namespace and talkspace
[00:55:47] <Splarka>	[x] | User | [x]  | User_talk | 2/3 | For user space 
[00:55:49] <Splarka>	hmm
[00:55:52] *werdnum 	stabs Splarka 
[00:55:54] <werdnum>	link kthx.
[00:56:01] <Splarka>	yes, working on it
[00:56:05] <Garnol>	Hi i got a problem with the initial user in mediawiki 1.6.8.. It does not seem to be created
[00:56:15] <Splarka>	trying to remember where I saw that floaty trick
[00:56:31] <Splarka>	werdnum: http://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&fulltext=Search&advanced=1&ns0=1&redirs=0
[00:57:31] <Splarka>	werdnum: to see what it's doing: javascript:void(appendCSS('table {border:1px solid red;} table td {border:1px solid blue;}'));
[00:58:17] <Splarka>	that keeps the content/talk pairs lined up but wrap to fill available space
[00:58:52] <werdnum>	interesting.
[01:00:00] <Splarka>	I like a 5 column layout idea though, more vertically
[01:00:21] <Splarka>	checkbox | content | checkbox | talk | #/# description
[01:00:34] <werdnum>	eww
[01:00:36] <Splarka>	heh
[01:00:40] <Splarka>	how about 9 column!
[01:01:03] <werdnum>	http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Beware_of_dev.svg
[01:01:13] <Splarka>	checkbox | name | number | PHP_NAME (NS_IMAGE) | checkbox | name | number | PHP_NAME (NS_IMAGE) | description
[01:01:13] <werdnum>	how did I know that would've been you...
[01:01:22] *Splarka 	hides
[01:05:33] <Garnol>	Hi i got a little problem following your instructions on the Help Page: I need to reset the id of the wiki main admin. I cant find the file where to do so. Can you maybe tell me?
[01:34:23] <ejamie>	question re: categorylinks table.  mysql shows that inserts into this table are not occurring on my local wiki instance, even though they appear to be visible/normal when viewing the article.  thoughts/guidance where I should begin looking?
[01:42:54] <Simetrical>	ejamie, are you sure you're looking at the right database?  What do you mean that they're visible/normal?
[01:44:14] <ejamie>	thx simetrical.  well, I mean can add category tags to an article, and after saving they show up in the bottom of the document, in the "Categories" box, like normal categories.  however, i am not seeing in changes in categorylinks table. 
[01:44:33] <ejamie>	...(not seeing any)...
[01:44:38] <Simetrical>	ejamie, does the article show up on the category page?  The category box at the bottom doesn't use categorylinks, IIRC.
[01:44:55] <p858snake>	would this be correct for custom namespace called Staff? http://pastie.org/322259
[01:45:01] <ejamie>	checking..
[01:45:23] <ejamie>	no.  the articles do not get listed under the target category page. 
[01:45:50] <Simetrical>	p858snake, looks fine at a glance.
[01:45:58] <p858snake>	yay \o/
[01:46:04] <Simetrical>	ejamie, then it's not getting updated for some reason.  Any errors given anywhere?
[01:47:25] <ejamie>	not that I can see.  I will backout "managecategories" extension I installed to see if that helps.  
[01:47:47] <p858snake>	also with that group i created is there anyway to get so when i go to protect a page i can select that group as the level of protection?
[01:48:35] <Simetrical>	!wg RestrictionLevels | p858snake 
[01:48:35] --mwbot--	p858snake: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgRestrictionLevels
[01:48:44] <Simetrical>	Note that that setting isn't necessarily really well-supported.
[01:48:54] <Simetrical>	Some things might be hardcoded to assume there are only three levels.
[01:49:16] <Simetrical>	What's the difference between sysops and your staff group in terms of permissions anyway?  I didn't see any really significant ones.
[01:49:23] <Simetrical>	It might be simpler to just make them all sysops.
[01:50:07] <p858snake>	nothing much but they arn't extraclly smart and don't want them playing with blocking people and such
[01:50:29] <Simetrical>	Heh.
[01:50:31] <Garnol>	Hi, how do I "Execute the following SQL statement against the database: " LAMP - using MySQL
[01:51:19] <Simetrical>	Garnol, you can use phpMyAdmin, if you have that.
[01:51:41] <Simetrical>	If you have shell access you can run it from the command line.
[01:51:58] <Garnol>	shell access yes, but phpMyAdmin no
[01:52:09] <Garnol>	i have a MySQL Administratro command line and my linux commandline
[01:53:01] <Garnol>	can i get shell access from these two terminals?
[01:53:14] <Simetrical>	Garnol, what do you mean by "MySQL Administrator command line"?  The one that starts with "mysql>" is the one you want.
[01:53:33] <Simetrical>	You can run the statement "USE wikidb;" (where wikidb is your database name) and then run the statement.
[01:53:48] <Simetrical>	Be absolutely sure you want to run the statement, though, because it may be totally irreversible and wreck your database.
[01:53:55] <Simetrical>	(depending on what it is)
[01:54:22] <Garnol>	its about changing usergroups and sysop id
[01:55:31] <ejamie>	garnol, a good practice is to run statement as SELECT first.  then, when you have the rows you want to update as desired, change from SELECT to UPDATE statement. 
[01:55:43] <Garnol>	ok
[01:55:55] <chuck>	how would I get a list of skins available?
[01:56:02] <Garnol>	thank you
[01:57:52] <Splarka>	chuck: probably Skin::getSkinNames() or Skin::getUsableSkins() depending on your requirements
[01:58:28] *chuck 	will guess it's the usable one
[01:58:29] <CIA-60>	03brion * r43885 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (Import.php OutputPage.php): 
[01:58:29] <CIA-60>	* Add guard exception in OutputPage::parse() for failure case where $wgTitle is null; that causes a fatal error which doesn't show a backtrace if we don't catch it here.
[01:58:29] <CIA-60>	* Temporarily set $wgTitle while doing article creation/edit updates during XML
[01:58:29] <CIA-60>	import. A null $wgTitle as in importDump.php caused a fatal error when special
[01:58:31] <CIA-60>	pages were transcluded if they did any parsing via OutputPage::parse()
[01:59:05] <Splarka>	tsk brion, tis sunday...
[01:59:33] <chuck>	MediaWiki should include EasyTemplate, it's so much nicer for making interfaces for extensions and stuff
[02:25:10] <p858snake>	is there some more documentation or examples on how to use $wgRestrictionLevels, i don't quite get what is shown at [[Manual:$wgRestrictionLevels]]
[02:27:34] <ejamie>	hey simetrical, fyi, I found I had an extension conflict.  disabling the extension 'fixed' the missing inserts into categorylinks table.  thanks for your help.
[02:51:59] <chuck>	how do I do a redirect in an extension
[02:53:01] <Splarka>	301/302, or #REDIRECT ?
[02:53:44] <chuck>	Splarka, well, maybe I can just do an error message. is there a standard way of doing that?
[02:54:35] <Splarka>	well, just wondering, because http redirects are very different from #REDIRECT
[02:54:56] <Splarka>	"how do I perform brain surgery, or launch a rocket to the moon?"
[02:55:41] <Splarka>	there are also <meta> redirects, anchor-rewrite javascript redirects...
[03:16:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow user to specify block settings from CU form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16306  (10mikelifeguard)
[03:43:57] *Splarka 	wastes time designing a synaesthetic nick colorizer based on a 6-char substring of the md5 of the username used as an html color code
[03:44:19] <chuck>	:P
[03:46:25] <Splarka>	<span>[02:18:18] </span><span style="color:#431df5;">&lt;MZMcBride&gt; </span><span>It's helpful on smaller wikis.</span><br>
[03:46:25] <Splarka>	<span>[02:18:25] </span><span style="color:#be3d19;">&lt;Mike_lifeguard&gt; </span><span>is it?</span><br>
[03:46:57] <MZMcBride>	>_>
[03:46:57] <chuck>	Is there any way to get the full name of a language from a language code in mw?
[03:47:24] *chuck 	wishes irssi could do that :P
[03:47:29] <chuck>	(the nick colouring)
[03:47:41] <Splarka>	should be possible
[03:47:51] <qsheets>	chuck: make it!
[03:47:53] <Splarka>	mirc supports md5(), but not html colors...
[03:48:01] <chuck>	there are only 10 colours or so though
[03:48:03] <Splarka>	so the coloring would be very limited
[03:48:07] <Mike_lifeguard>	Splarka: whaddayawant
[03:48:07] <chuck>	yeah
[03:48:23] <Splarka>	Mike: nothing, you and MZM 's nicks made a good contrast for an example though
[03:48:25] <qsheets>	chuck: colorcombs
[03:48:33] <qsheets>	** color combs.
[03:48:39] <Mike_lifeguard>	lucky us
[03:48:40] <Splarka>	you were red against his purple
[03:49:29] *chuck 	might do that if he ever needs to make a public logging site or something
[03:49:51] <Splarka>	just using this to mess around with the mwbot logs, but it might be a useful script in recent changes or history too
[03:50:22] <Splarka>	<chuck> Is there any way to get the full name of a language from a language code in mw?
[03:50:31] <Splarka>	should be a Names:: something or other
[03:50:44] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) SUBST violates GFDL - proposed remedy - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16444 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Database; (jerryopennap)
[03:50:55] <Splarka>	wtf
[03:51:08] <Splarka>	COPY PASTE violates GFDL OMG
[03:51:21] <chuck>	O_O
[03:52:09] <Splarka>	mike/mzm/chuck: http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/3793/sillycolorsmr4.gif
[03:52:34] <MZMcBride>	That's quite the waste of time.
[03:52:44] <Splarka>	yep! <3
[03:52:50] <Splarka>	chuck: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/languages/Names.php?revision=43048&content-type=text%2Fplain
[03:52:57] <Splarka>	but you can only return the name of that language in that language
[03:53:53] <Splarka>	note that $wgLanguageNames can be added to, for the purposes of useable languages/interwikis
[03:54:03] <Splarka>	in which case you might want Language::getLanguageNames() or something
[03:54:52] <chuck>	Splarka, upload that colorizer somewhere :P
[03:55:22] <chuck>	(assuming its an HTML/PHP/Js page)
[03:58:14] <Splarka>	it sucks atm but I can send you the source
[03:59:04] <Splarka>	and it is just html/js
[04:05:06] <chuck>	hum.. why is this breaking monobook...
[04:05:21] <chuck>	there we go
[04:13:02] <werdnum>	ugh21:54 < wikibugs> (NEW) SUBST violates GFDL - proposed remedy - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16444 enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Database; (jerryopennap)
[04:13:05] <werdnum>	sigh
[04:13:31] <Splarka>	OMG you violated GFDL by copypasting that werd!
[04:13:37] *Splarka 	sends you to SCO jail
[04:13:44] <MZMcBride>	What's the Database component? For schema nonsense?
[04:14:25] *werdnum 	shrugs.
[04:14:30] <MZMcBride>	"Back-end database issues: SQL errors, compatibility, etc. "
[04:14:36] <MZMcBride>	Interesting.
[04:14:41] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r43886 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (5 files): 
[04:14:41] <CIA-60>	More Configure usability:
[04:14:41] <CIA-60>	* Stop assuming that people have 1600x1450 screens like me.
[04:14:41] <CIA-60>	* Coloured headers and recolour the collapse boxes, which were a sickly yellow.
[04:14:41] <CIA-60>	* Add a link back to the form after save.
[04:14:42] <CIA-60>	* Make more stuff collapsible.
[04:14:44] <CIA-60>	* Highlight the current section.
[04:39:01] <chuck>	Allrighty, my RequestWiki extension's interface looks as if it's almost done
[04:39:07] <chuck>	(for now, at least)
[05:19:52] <chuck>	does Database::insert automatically sanitise data
[05:22:58] <werdnum>	yes.
[05:25:30] <chuck>	werdnum, really? the ' in the stuff I inserted weren't escaped O_o
[05:27:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:ChangePass: move password change form from Preferences, and add reset/usurp features - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15876  +comment (10public)
[05:28:08] <`James>	I have a bit of a problem with my mediawiki installation, I get the following error when I try and edit any page. from within function "efUpdateCheckUserData". MySQL returned error "1146: Table 'firearms.firearm_cu_changes' doesn't exist (localhost)".
[05:28:30] <chuck>	`James, You need to run the CheckUser SQL patch
[05:28:51] <werdnum>	chuck: example.
[05:28:55] *werdnum 	tickles Krimpet_ 
[05:29:05] <chuck>	|  1 | Charlie Wiki | charlie | It's my wiki! | Me!       | &quot; /&gt;&lt;input type=&quot;text&quot; value=&quot;YOU FAIL! | es       | modern |      0 |       0 
[05:29:12] <chuck>	"It's my wiki!"
[05:29:29] *chuck 	wonders why the user_id field is 0..
[05:29:45] <chuck>	oh, I'm not logged in, I've got to make it so that only logged in users can request a wiki ><
[05:30:24] *Krimpet 	shivs werdnum
[05:31:06] <chuck>	werdnum, all people who have confirmed their email address will get the emailconfirmed group, right? so I can do $wgGroupPermissions['emailconfirmed']['requestwiki'] = true; ?
[05:36:00] <werdnum>	chuck: no.
[05:36:03] <werdnum>	Krimpet: shiv?
[05:36:48] <chuck>	werdnum, do you know why its not escaping the stuff in insert()?
[05:38:38] <SuperGrover>	Hi gang - Newbie question if I may: I'm trying to add some stylesheet information to an image, called via [[Image:Story of Eggs cover.jpg|right|thumb]] - I'd like to add 'style=border:none' ...can't figure out how to add it. Any suggestions appreciated.
[05:40:47] <werdnum>	chuck: Of course it's escaping them...
[05:41:31] <chuck>	Does the mysql client unescape them then or something
[05:41:57] <werdnum>	what needs escaping in that?
[05:42:04] <werdnum>	and yes, of course it does.
[05:42:22] <werdnum>	Only ' and a few other things need escaping.
[05:51:51] <werdnum>	Krimpet: what do you mean 'shiv'?
[05:52:27] <Krimpet>	n. Slang. A knife, razor, or other sharp or pointed implement, especially one used as a weapon. :p
[05:52:52] <p858snake>	SuperGrover: don't have thumb in there, i think that will fix what your trying to do
[05:53:11] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r43887 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (Configure.css Configure.page.php): Minor tweaks
[05:53:37] <werdnum>	Krimpet: you want verb :)
[05:53:56] <SuperGrover>	p858snake: Cheers - will try. :-)
[05:57:01] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r43888 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/Configure.page.php: These can stay
[05:57:45] <werdnum>	Krimpet: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/shiv says "To stab someone with a shiv."
[05:57:50] <werdnum>	I wonder where it's used.
[05:58:17] <Krimpet>	I've heard it in "Homestar Runner." :p
[05:59:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow user to specify block settings from CU form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16306  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[06:02:24] <werdnum>	Krimpet: oh, I see.
[06:02:59] <werdnum>	Have I shown you why I shouldn't really add Wikipedia people to facebook?
[06:03:16] <Krimpet>	Yes
[06:03:33] <werdnum>	:)
[06:04:57] <Splarka>	werdnum: prison term
[06:05:10] <Splarka>	Krimpet: http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Beware_of_dev.svg
[06:06:33] <Krimpet>	Yes, that's a shiv. :)
[06:07:44] <Mike_lifeguard>	Splarka: [http://toolserver.org/~magnus/commonshelper.php Move to Commons] please.
[06:08:05] <Splarka>	haha
[06:08:33] <Splarka>	fine
[06:09:11] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) please add info if accounts are not sul accounts to cu results - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16445 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CheckUser; (spacebirdy)
[06:11:23] <Splarka>	dear lord
[06:11:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) please add info if accounts are not sul accounts to cu results - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16445  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[06:11:33] <Splarka>	commons treats uploaders like criminals
[06:13:57] <p858snake>	Splarka: well we are, just not in that sense >.>
[06:14:40] <Splarka>	hah
[06:15:16] *Charitwo 	trouts Mike_lifeguard
[06:15:24] <Mike_lifeguard>	:O
[06:16:05] <Splarka>	fishy fishy fishy oh
[06:16:08] <Splarka>	http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Beware_of_dev.svg
[06:17:01] <Krimpet>	Free content is all about breaking the law, isn't it? :)
[06:17:06] <Splarka>	well
[06:17:14] <Krimpet>	Copyright law.
[06:17:19] <Splarka>	is funny... how things don't go how you want
[06:17:19] <Mike_lifeguard>	Splarka: http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image:Beware_of_dev.svg&diff=16253994&oldid=16253981
[06:17:35] <Splarka>	heh
[06:18:15] <Splarka>	release to public domain, someone might improve it or simply steal it and take credit for it
[06:18:18] <Splarka>	but meh, whatever
[06:18:40] <Splarka>	GFDL isn't quite right for images, and CC has too many cascading rights that can be tacked on in a certain specific order
[06:18:46] <Splarka>	(or removed, I forget)
[06:18:54] <Splarka>	SA, BY, NC, etc
[06:19:56] <Splarka>	so I like, attribute on upload, PD thereafter
[06:22:10] <werdnum>	I like the BSD license.
[06:22:17] <werdnum>	"Do what you want, just say where you got it"
[06:24:32] <Splarka>	I didn't see that on the upload form, heh
[06:25:46] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) WMF interwiki map needs to be updated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12763  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[06:26:03] <werdnum>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_license
[06:26:11] <werdnum>	mostly a software license.
[07:27:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Manual linking to Special: SearchByProperty difficult due to parameter encoding - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16150  (10mediawiki.bugzilla)
[07:48:29] <esthar>	Is there a way to make any uploaded video automatically have ffmpeg2theora run on it so my users wouldn't have to transcore prior to uploading?
[08:00:23] <werdnum>	yksinaisyyteni: Have you ever developed for KDE?
[08:00:30] <yksinaisyyteni>	only once
[08:00:37] <werdnum>	hm.
[08:00:45] <werdnum>	Know anything about the Solid::StorageAccess class? :)
[08:00:53] <yksinaisyyteni>	no, solid is very new
[08:01:01] <werdnum>	what *is* it?
[08:01:46] <yksinaisyyteni>	http://solid.kde.org/cms/1050
[08:02:25] <werdnum>	Interesting.
[08:02:34] <werdnum>	I'm getting segfaults in Solid::StorageAccess::isAccessible :(
[08:03:40] <yksinaisyyteni>	some day i should write a securecrt clone for kde
[08:03:44] <yksinaisyyteni>	unix could do with a decent ssh client
[08:04:42] <yksinaisyyteni>	could use an existing ssh client library, and embed konsole for terminal emulation
[08:05:02] <werdnum>	What's better about SecureCRT vis-a-vis puTTY
[08:05:28] <yksinaisyyteni>	tabs!
[08:05:35] <yksinaisyyteni>	also, putty is a nasty gtk app ;)
[08:05:43] <werdnum>	heh
[08:05:49] <werdnum>	puTTY has been crashing a bit later.
[08:06:10] <yksinaisyyteni>	also, securecrt has much more configurable terminal/keyboard emulation, especially for non-unix systems
[08:47:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Official Korean name for Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16217  normal->high (10acc611)
[09:14:24] <_wooz>	lo
[09:14:55] <MZMcBride>	'lo.
[09:20:38] <CIA-60>	03mkroetzsch * r43889 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_DV_Time.php: typo
[09:23:20] <CIA-60>	03mkroetzsch * r43890 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_GlobalFunctions.php: version increment
[09:24:55] <yksinaisyyteni>	i wish Qt would support the open source version on MSVC
[09:25:07] <yksinaisyyteni>	who seriously uses mingw on windows...
[09:33:47] <padde>	me
[10:34:18] <JimStar>	hi all...
[10:34:30] <JimStar>	i want to customize the edit toolbar
[10:35:12] <JimStar>	does creating MediaWiki:Common.js/edit.js file is the best way to do this?
[10:35:32] <JimStar>	I also wondered if Common.js/edit.js is a valid file name!
[10:36:46] <Splarka>	note that /edit.js is being included from Common.js
[10:37:05] <Splarka>	you can just put it into the MediaWiki:Common.js if you don't care about a tiny extra bit of JS being served
[10:37:17] <feniks007>	hello, we've set up an internal mediawiki server, that's currently growing. We find it very useful to make use of the 'recent changes' page. We're using several categories, and would like to see the change per category. How can that be achieved?
[10:38:12] <JimStar>	oh... so the slash between Common.js and edit.js mean that Common.js will include edit.js ?
[10:38:27] <JimStar>	is it a sort of naming convention in MW?
[10:41:05] <Splarka>	no...
[10:41:11] <feniks007>	I was thinking we could use namespaces, but that's probably not the best solution.
[10:41:29] <Splarka>	JimStar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js
[10:42:07] <Splarka>	JimStar: if (wgAction == "edit" || wgAction == "submit" || wgPageName == "Special:Upload") { importScript("MediaWiki:Common.js/edit.js") }
[10:42:20] <Splarka>	that specific page is simply a convention by the community at that wiki
[10:42:24] <Splarka>	it is totally arbitrary
[10:42:44] <Splarka>	they are including it when needed (edit/preview/upload)
[10:43:14] <Splarka>	feniks007: on each Category there should be in the "toolbox" a link called "Related Changes", give that a try
[10:43:42] <feniks007>	thanks splarka, I'll have a look at it
[10:43:50] <Splarka>	however, it will not show changes to pages being removed from categories, that isn't really possible (except via full history scan, but that is far from practical)
[10:44:36] <JimStar>	Splarka: so if I create MediaWiki:edit.js and put the customization code in that -will that do?
[10:44:37] <Splarka>	it will just show you changes that do not affect the pages' existence in that category (except to add it)
[10:44:43] <Splarka>	JimStar: no...
[10:45:05] <Splarka>	the only pages loaded are MediaWiki:Common.js and MediaWiki:SKINNAME.js  (where SKINNAME is your skin, usually Monobook)
[10:45:17] <Splarka>	if you want to load more you must importScript() them
[10:45:38] <JimStar>	ok
[10:45:43] <Splarka>	they do /edit.js to keep it all organized, and move it to another script to keep it loading for anyone not editing
[10:45:56] <Splarka>	because en.wp gets a few thousand hits per second, and the vast majority aren't editing
[10:46:14] <Splarka>	just put the mwCustomEditButtons in your Common.js
[10:46:25] <JimStar>	ok
[10:46:29] <Splarka>	simple
[10:46:32] <Splarka>	!next
[10:46:32] --mwbot--	Another satisfied customer. NEXT!
[10:46:42] <Splarka>	(what a silly macro)
[10:46:49] <JimStar>	:)
[10:49:49] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Additional namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16446 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (ryan_james_tamayo_amparo)
[10:53:33] <JimStar>	another problem...
[10:53:51] <JimStar>	i want to put a button in toolbar which takes the user to the image upload page
[10:54:14] <JimStar>	but the mwCustomEditButtons[] array does not have option to specify a URL
[10:55:23] <feniks007>	Splarka: I'm a satisfied customer. Thanks a lot !
[10:57:58] <Splarka>	JimStar: it can be done but is rather complex
[10:58:19] <Splarka>	but it's been considered and rejected because users editing don't want to be taken to another page, some browsers would lose their changes
[10:59:17] <JimStar>	hmm... yeah thats right
[10:59:50] <JimStar>	is there any extention which enables upload of images directly from edit page?
[11:00:48] <Splarka>	Wikia has one IIRC
[11:01:13] <JimStar>	is it publicly available?
[11:02:23] *Splarka 	sighs, digs
[11:04:11] <Splarka>	https://svn.wikia-code.com/wikia/trunk/extensions/wikia/
[11:04:13] <Splarka>	somewhere in there
[11:04:39] <Splarka>	probably /SpecialMiniUpload or /WikiaMiniUpload or /WikiaSpecialUploadInfo or /WikiaUpload or some combination
[11:05:00] <JimStar>	hmm
[11:05:05] <JimStar>	thanks very much!
[11:06:29] <Splarka>	rar
[11:08:47] <Belegnar>	hello
[11:11:39] <Belegnar>	please help me with following question:
[11:11:39] <Belegnar>	there are three skins for site pages. how can i set different skins for different pages?
[11:11:53] <theocrite>	hi
[11:12:03] <pingouin>	hi
[11:13:19] <theocrite>	I there a way to upload non images files without changing $wgFileExtensions in DefaultSettings.php, so that uploaded file isn't treated as an image ?
[11:14:07] <theocrite>	IIRC, uploaded file (eg .pdf) is listed as Image:file.pdf and this confuses users without wiki skills.
[11:16:57] <Splarka>	"isn't treated as an image" has different meanings
[11:17:41] <Splarka>	if you mean "is accessable in the Image: namespace despite not being an image" then that is a long-standing issue being resolved for 1.14
[11:17:54] <JimStar>	I also have a question related with skins
[11:17:56] <Splarka>	the reason it was called Image: instead of File:, is because it only ever had images originally
[11:18:21] <JimStar>	Now I am trying to create a user specific CSS
[11:18:26] <Splarka>	in 1.14 it is being renamed to 'File:' in a special way that will let all existing references and usages of 'Image:' continue to work
[11:18:44] <JimStar>	I have set wgAllowUserJs and wgAllowUserCss
[11:19:01] <Splarka>	JimStar: go to [[Special:Mypage/monobook.css]]
[11:19:29] <Splarka>	that will take you to your personal css (if your skin is monobook) (note that because it isn't the start of a page title after the namespace, that it is lower case here)
[11:20:03] <Splarka>	MediaWiki:Monobook.css is uppercase because the first letter of a page title is uppercase, but User:JimStar/monobook.js gets that at J
[11:20:10] <JimStar>	what is Special:Mypage?.... is it like Special:JimStar
[11:20:26] <Splarka>	no, Special:Mypage redirects you to your user page and subpages thereof
[11:20:34] <JimStar>	ohh!
[11:20:34] <Splarka>	because we don't know your on-wiki name, 
[11:20:42] <Splarka>	and it isn't worth guessing or asking
[11:21:14] <JimStar>	indeed
[11:21:47] <JimStar>	well... now again a stupid question... but i am learning
[11:22:04] <theocrite>	Splarka: thank you for your answer. I have 1.14 IIRC. So I can use File: or Image: for all files or i have to choose which files will be handeled as File: and witch ones will be in the Image: namespace ?
[11:22:41] <JimStar>	Mypage/monobook.css .... does it mean that monobook.css will be INCLUDED from Mypage (the way you said in case of JS)?
[11:23:04] <Splarka>	no, if you go to [[Special:Mypage/monobook.css]] you will be taken to the page that will be included
[11:23:15] <Splarka>	just go there and see
[11:23:20] <theocrite>	In other words, is File:file.pdf the same as Image:file.pdf ? 
[11:23:28] <JimStar>	ok
[11:23:31] <Splarka>	theocrite: "I have 1.14 IIRC" is very vauge
[11:23:35] <Splarka>	which revision?
[11:24:00] <Splarka>	it hasn't been officially released yet so you must be running a trunk copy?
[11:25:11] <Splarka>	theocrite: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44
[11:25:41] <Splarka>	this feature request has been pending since 2002
[11:26:01] <Splarka>	and it was changed about 7 days ago
[11:26:13] <theocrite>	Hm, I'm trying to find out, but the answer will very certainly be no. It's a prod server with  100K+ hits/day. So I'm pretty sure a stable tar.gz was installed.
[11:26:44] <theocrite>	Ok so I'll stick with the Image: way to hande files.
[11:26:53] <theocrite>	Thank you both for your answers
[11:26:57] <Splarka>	go tp Special:Version to see
[11:27:07] <Splarka>	^to
[11:28:06] <Belegnar>	Splarka: may you help me with skins?
[11:29:16] <Splarka>	maybe, whats broke?
[11:31:08] <JimStar>	i created a CSS on Mypage/monobook.css  ... but its not showing its effect...
[11:31:08] <Belegnar>	there are 3 skins on my site
[11:31:09] <Belegnar>	i need page(1..10) display with skin1, page(11..22) with skin2, etc
[11:31:09] <Belegnar>	how can i do this?
[11:31:41] <Splarka>	yikes, I don't think that is possible
[11:31:53] <Belegnar>	ok, thx
[11:31:55] <Splarka>	unless you make an extension I suppose
[11:32:00] <Splarka>	what you can do is per-page CSS
[11:32:10] <Splarka>	know how to use CSS?
[11:32:19] <Splarka>	JimStar: Mypage/monobook.css is not the right page
[11:32:21] <Belegnar>	o! i can read manual; somewhere?
[11:32:37] <JimStar>	Splarka: no?
[11:32:50] <Splarka>	Belegnar: not really any manual, it assumes you know how to use css and classes
[11:32:56] <JimStar>	Mypage:Monobook.css
[11:33:07] <JimStar>	with a capital M
[11:33:09] <Splarka>	Belegnar: every page has a specific class="", which you can style the contents of in sitewide css
[11:33:12] <Splarka>	JimStar: no... 
[11:33:14] <Splarka>	the page is [[Special:Mypage/monobook.css]]
[11:33:33] <Splarka>	okay, paste this into 'search' and click [go]:   Special:Mypage/monobook.css
[11:33:39] <Splarka>	it will take you to the correct page
[11:33:47] <Splarka>	unless you have a very old version of mediawiki
[11:34:22] <Belegnar>	i see... but how i link different css's to the diff pages? rewrite <link></link> someway?
[11:34:48] <Splarka>	Belegnar: well you could do that with an extension...
[11:34:55] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
[11:34:58] <JimStar>	well... Special:Mypage/monobook.css takes me to User:Mypage/monobook.css
[11:34:59] <Splarka>	<body class="mediawiki ltr ns-0 ns-subject page-Main_Page skin-monobook">
[11:35:16] <Splarka>	that class  page-Main_Page is the key to the per-page stlye method
[11:35:30] <Splarka>	you go to MediaWiki:Monobook.css (or whatever your default skin is called):
[11:35:42] <Splarka>	body.page-Main_Page {style here}
[11:36:11] <Splarka>	then that style only applies to that page, however... it only facilitates minor changes, like basic color changes
[11:36:40] <Splarka>	if you still need to change the skin shown, then you've got some work to do
[11:36:52] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks  first step, find the hook you need
[11:37:30] <Splarka>	then learn how to write an extension: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Extensions
[11:38:45] <Belegnar>	thx a lot
[11:38:45] *Belegnar 	went to smoke manual
[11:39:15] <JimStar>	it worked!
[11:39:28] *JimStar 	salutes Splarka
[11:39:58] <Splarka>	rar
[11:44:12] <tim>	Hi - on some pages from mediawiki are on the right side such small boxes with different links - mostly out of the context of the side
[11:44:42] <tim>	can somebody give me just a keyword what I should look for if I want to create some of this boxes? 
[11:45:44] <JimStar>	u mean left side?
[11:45:46] <Splarka>	!sidebar
[11:45:46] --mwbot--	To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar>.
[11:45:58] <Splarka>	however, you might be referring to the 'toolbox' which can't easily be edited
[11:46:39] <tim>	no on the right - just a sec I look for an example gae
[11:46:44] <tim>	-gae +page
[11:46:48] <JimStar>	Splarka: a related problem is how to bring search box on top of all navigation boxes
[11:46:51] <Splarka>	ahh, in the pages?
[11:47:01] <Splarka>	Jim: see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar
[11:47:07] <Splarka>	tim: those are 'Infoboxes'
[11:47:20] <Splarka>	those are all user created
[11:47:42] <tim>	ah so there is just a syntax for creating them? like for tables ?
[11:47:44] <Splarka>	there isn't anything in them related to MediaWiki really, except the method for displaying them
[11:48:00] <Splarka>	well, they use template syntax (but template syntax can be used for any markup)
[11:48:11] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox
[11:48:38] <tim>	but would it be possible that all articles from a specific category get the same infobox?
[11:52:08] <tim>	thank you Splarka I start reading about it
[11:52:12] <Splarka>	k
[11:54:52] <JimStar>	why does MW not support transparency in GIF images?
[11:55:15] <JimStar>	i know it support SVG transparency
[11:55:30] <JimStar>	but does it support PNG transparency?
[11:55:31] <yksinaisyyteni>	MW doesn't know/care about transparency... are you talking about thumbnails?
[11:55:43] <JimStar>	not really...
[11:56:17] <JimStar>	if u embed a GIF image with transparency in a page -its transparent parts become white
[11:58:07] <Splarka>	even at full resolution?
[11:58:40] <JimStar>	Splarka: i never tried full res
[11:58:55] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) block to force reading of user talk page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16447 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Blocking; (andreengels)
[11:59:06] <JimStar>	but it surely takes away transparency from GIFs
[12:00:34] <Splarka>	well, it can't from full resolution because it doesn't touch them at all
[12:00:45] <Splarka>	but if you mean it does when you change the size, then you _are_ talking about thumbnails
[12:02:08] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r43891 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/SpecialTranslations.php: Comment in some code that was disabled for debugging
[12:02:12] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r43892 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/SpecialTranslations.php: Fix syntax error
[12:03:14] <JimStar>	hmm... i will check it out
[12:24:11] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r43893 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (SpecialTranslations.php TranslateUtils.php): Add page contents in Special:Translations. Make TranslateUtils::getContents public
[12:37:05] <uzbek>	hi everybody!
[12:37:50] <uzbek>	i'd like to install REDIRECT extension so that #REDIRECT[[article_name]] worked, where can i find the extension? thanx!
[12:42:38] <werdnum>	uzbek: redirects already exist
[12:42:45] <werdnum>	try #redirect [[article name]]
[12:42:49] <werdnum>	note the space.
[12:43:51] <uzbek>	werdnum, thanx!
[12:44:05] <werdnum>	Splarka: I got bored and decided to write a CMS for my website.
[12:44:07] <werdnum>	This is bad :)
[12:49:11] <Splarka>	werdnum: well, I got bored writing my synaesthesia thingy and wrote a color sanitizer as a 2 hour side project
[12:49:37] <Splarka>	at first I tried taking averages, darkening, lightening..
[12:49:39] <Splarka>	http://p.defau.lt/?kxU9lItW7Jhho_HggwlJ_Q
[12:50:20] <Splarka>	now it takes two html colors, converts to 3 digits, finds the absolute value of each pair of differences, and if the differences aren't enough, it rotates the color by adding or subtracting 50% in each channel
[12:50:54] <Splarka>	top _that_ uslessness
[12:57:56] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) WMF interwiki map needs to be updated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12763  +comment (10cbrown1023)
[13:33:46] <lch>	is there some problem with using URLs as template parameters?
[13:34:14] <lch>	I use a template which is supposed to take an URL as first and only parameter and display it, but the Wiki ignores that
[13:37:42] <Splarka>	the equals sign is the delimiter between the template parameter name and value
[13:37:57] <Splarka>	if your url parameter contains one, that is probably your problem
[13:38:11] <Splarka>	solution: have another equals sooner
[13:38:19] <Splarka>	{{foo|1=http://...}}
[13:38:59] <lch>	ah, thank you
[14:29:57] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r43894 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/SpecialTranslations.php: Add css
[14:47:34] <firedealer>	Ok, what's different between #mediawiki and #wikimedia?
[14:48:37] <Platonides>	mediawiki is the software
[14:48:39] <Splarka>	one is full of cunning runts and one is...
[14:48:42] <lch>	lol
[14:48:44] <Platonides>	wikimedia the foundation
[14:49:21] <firedealer>	@Platonides Thanks!  Now, I understand better.
[14:49:30] <Platonides>	:)
[14:52:59] <CIA-60>	03yaron * r43895 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticCalendar/includes/SC_GlobalFunctions.php: Added handling for SMW 1.4
[14:53:17] <CIA-60>	03yaron * r43896 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticCalendar/INSTALL: New version: 0.2.9
[15:16:28] <[KrusheR]>	hi
[15:16:41] <[KrusheR]>	is there a way to not to cache the mediawiki:sitenotice?
[15:46:57] <gerardfarras>	Hi! I'm trying to configure LDAP_Authentication extension in our MediaWiki installation but... I don't know how to configure it: Can anybody help me?
[15:49:48] <gerardfarras>	When I try to login using a correct username, I get this debug message: 
[15:49:48] <gerardfarras>	Entering validDomain
[15:49:48] <gerardfarras>	User is using a valid domain.
[15:49:48] <gerardfarras>	Setting domain as: ARRELS
[15:49:48] <gerardfarras>	Entering getCanonicalName
[15:49:49] <gerardfarras>	Username isn't empty.
[15:49:51] <gerardfarras>	Munged username: Usuari
[15:49:53] <gerardfarras>	Entering userExists
[15:49:55] <gerardfarras>	Entering authenticate
[15:49:57] <gerardfarras>	Entering Connect
[15:49:59] <gerardfarras>	Using TLS or not using encryption.
[15:50:01] <gerardfarras>	Using servers:  ldap://192.168.0.1 ldap://serverarrels
[15:50:03] <gerardfarras>	Connected successfullyEntering getSearchString<br />Doing an anonymous bind<br />Entering getUserDN<br />Created a regular filter: (=Usuari)<br />Entering getBaseDN<br />basedn is 'CN=Users,DC=arrels'<br />Using base: 'CN=Users,DC=arrels'<br />Couldn't find an entry<br />userdn is: <br />User DN is blank<br />Entering allowPasswordChange<br />Entering modifyUITemplate<br />Allowing the local domain, adding it to the list.<br />
[15:50:45] <gerardfarras>	(gurps, sorry for paste this text :-( )
[15:55:08] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r43897 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (SpecialTranslations.php Translate.i18n.php): better handling of inclusion of Special:Translations, the page name must now passed like this: {{Special:Translate/MediaWiki:Mainpage}}
[16:01:30] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r43898 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/SpecialTranslations.php: oops, forgot to remove this line
[16:01:37] <CIA-60>	03mkroetzsch * r43899 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_QueryProcessor.php: getText() -> getWikiValue() (Bug)
[16:11:12] <[KrusheR]>	is there a way to not to cache the mediawiki:sitenotice?
[16:11:49] <[KrusheR]>	i use an extension for it to be random, but it seems it keeps cached or something
[16:23:46] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r43900 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/SpecialTranslations.php: 
[16:23:46] <CIA-60>	two more things:
[16:23:46] <CIA-60>	* svn:eol-style native
[16:23:46] <CIA-60>	* Allow passing $par also when not including the page
[16:26:10] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add {{DEFAULTSORT}} constant. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16448 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Templates; (bugzilla.wikimedia)
[16:44:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special: UnwatchedPages should list unwatched pages in the content namespace(s), not ns:0 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16433  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[16:52:22] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Improve inline data editing with textual dialects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9536  (10xiaochaz)
[16:58:13] <Primus>	Hey does anyone know of a way to add a bookmark feature to mediawiki, allowing a user to click a link on a page and it adds it to their personal talk page, or other personal favorite page
[17:19:32] <brion>	morning!
[17:20:40] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r43901 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (CHANGELOG Configure.css Configure.php): 
[17:20:40] <CIA-60>	* CHANGELOG entry, bump version and $wgConfigureStyleVersion
[17:20:40] <CIA-60>	* removed horrible right padding from fieldsets in Special:Configure, this caused the page to have a horizontal scrollbar in all cases
[17:20:46] <ialex>	hello brion!
[17:21:20] <brion>	heyyy
[17:25:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create approved wikis (August 2008) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15013  high->highest; +comment (10gaghaly)
[17:51:42] <wikibugs>	  - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16263  +comment (10brion)
[17:53:23] *ialex 	stabs wikibugs
[17:55:19] <brion>	O_O
[17:55:21] <brion>	why stabbbssss
[17:56:05] <ialex>	because it missed the bug's summary
[17:56:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create approved Egyptian Arab Wikipedia [arz] (August 2008) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15013  summary (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[17:59:41] <nshaw>	I am trying to create a dynamic link for the Pdf Export plugin, that will the change the orientation variable to landscape, can someone help me?
[18:01:45] <nshaw>	The dynamic link will be placed on the page that we want to export to PDF
[18:02:13] <nshaw>	I have tried to pass the variables through the url but with no luck
[18:24:41] <skial>	hoe dat plaatje linksboven op elke pagina?
[18:26:38] <skial>	what's the name of the image on the top left corner of ervery page? we're having a party in 3 days and would like to change is for some days
[18:27:52] <skial>	something with 500.000
[18:28:21] <ialex>	!wg Logo | skial
[18:28:21] --mwbot--	skial: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgLogo
[18:31:32] <AhmadSherif>	hi all, why disambiguation pages appear in Special:ShortPages? I mean, are they considered normal pages?
[18:32:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special: UnwatchedPages should list unwatched pages in the content namespace(s) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16433  summary; +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[18:47:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add Pagluluto: namespace to tlwikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16446   +shell; summary (10roan.kattouw)
[18:47:39] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Show disambiguations page as such in search results - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16449 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Search; (le.korrigan)
[18:50:00] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) API: Add a recursive mode to list=categorymembers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16442  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[18:57:20] <CIA-60>	03brion * r43902 10/trunk/tools/video-subtitles/titles/PSA-Web.nl.srt: Updates from wiki.
[19:04:49] <CIA-60>	03brion * r43903 10/trunk/tools/video-subtitles/titles/PSA-Web.dsb.srt: dsb from wiki
[19:04:50] <skial>	eyetracking video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cjn5VUdysw8 - is there someone working on this kinda stuff?
[19:09:27] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Add Pagluluto: namespace to tlwikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16446  +comment (10brion)
[19:10:03] <Mike||busy>	skial: eye tracking is awesome stuff, eh?
[19:11:38] <brion>	http://www-tc.pbs.org/wgbh/cultureshock/flashpoints/theater/images/clockwork_big.jpg
[19:12:04] <Mike||busy>	eep
[19:25:46] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Enable FlaggedRevs custom configuration on Hungarian Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15568  (10rhalsell)
[19:26:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable FlaggedRevs custom configuration on Hungarian Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15568  (10rhalsell)
[19:34:54] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Enable FlaggedRevs Patrolling Configuration on dewiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13969  +comment (10rhalsell)
[19:34:56] <ChrisAnder>	Hello everyone
[19:35:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create approved Egyptian Arab Wikipedia [arz] (August 2008) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15013  (10rhalsell)
[19:36:20] <ChrisAnder>	I installed wikimedia on a subdomain, directly without creating a /wiki file for it. How can I transfer everything into a /wiki file properly?
[19:36:35] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Create approved Egyptian Arab Wikipedia [arz] (August 2008) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15013  +comment (10rhalsell)
[19:37:43] <ChrisAnder>	anyone?
[19:39:44] <Danwe>	hi
[19:40:50] <Danwe>	i have a problem with templates and their parameters: When I use the default Parameter {{{1}}} in my template and in the template call there is a break at the end of the text, I also got that break in the template output... Is there a way to trim breaks?
[19:41:07] <Danwe>	breaks at the end of a string
[19:42:46] <Dantman|Work>	If you have parser functions installed you can use a little hack... {{#if:1|{{{1}}}}}
[19:46:12] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r43904 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (CHANGELOG Configure.ext.php Configure.php): For siebrand: Added $wgConfigureExtDir to allow to change the extensions base directory
[19:46:16] <Danwe>	thanks!
[19:49:02] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r43905 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.php: Use $dir to include Version.php instead of $IP so that it also works if the extension isn't in $IP/extensions
[19:51:18] <Mathieu1>	good morning
[20:12:32] <CIA-60>	03nikerabbit * r43906 10/trunk/extensions/WikimediaMessages/WikimediaGrammarForms.php: * Added grammar forms of wikiquote in Finnish
[20:17:38] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) installation error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16450 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (jamestjackson)
[20:26:06] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Enable FlaggedRevs custom configuration on Hungarian Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15568  +comment (10rhalsell)
[20:27:11] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enable FlaggedRevs Patrolling Configuration on dewiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13969  +comment (10rhalsell)
[20:27:38] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) GIF scaling limit should be applied to animated GIFs only - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16451 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Images; (brion)
[20:27:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) installation error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16450  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[20:28:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Captcha is displayed when user transcludes a template that has an external link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16037  (10brion)
[20:30:39] <wikibugs>	06(LATER)  Captcha is displayed when user transcludes a template that has an external link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16037  +comment (10brion)
[20:31:15] <brion>	we headin' for food
[20:33:46] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enable FlaggedRevs on Ukrainian Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15335  +comment (10rhalsell)
[20:34:40] <Steren>	Hi, I submitted a patch to semantic MW, it has been added into SMW 1.4. It provides random sort for queries. Unfortunately there is no documentation on the SMW website for this. As I can't create an account on the wiki, I can't add this documentation.
[20:35:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Captcha is displayed when user transcludes a template that has an external link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16037  (10mikelifeguard)
[20:35:08] *Mike||busy 	got beaten :)
[20:37:16] <Dantman|Work>	Steren: Post a message to the mailing list. Most MW devs don't deal with SMW, and other than me most SMW devs stay out of #mediawiki
[20:37:27] <Dantman|Work>	Though we do have #semanticmediawiki for support
[20:37:49] <Steren>	Dantman|Work: ok ok, thanks
[20:51:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Enable FlaggedRevs custom configuration on Portuguese Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16365  +comment (10rhalsell)
[20:58:48] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r43907 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (README Translate.php TranslateEditAddons.php): 
[20:58:48] <CIA-60>	* add parameter $makelink to dobox() to allow creating a link
[20:58:48] <CIA-60>	* add edit link to fallback messages
[21:02:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Check and delete empty tex images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16440  +comment (10rich)
[21:03:00] <a2cypher>	I have a quick question..  for some reason, one of the wikis that I manage inserts something like this [[[[:Template:Ns:user]]:Peter|Peter]] 21:09, 24 November 2008 (UTC) whenever a user tries to insert their signature with ~~~~   When it should just be a linked username with the date.  Any idea what's wrong?
[21:06:23] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Activation of FlaggedRevs in French Wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15346  +comment (10rhalsell)
[21:06:32] <uffiole>	pls how do i typically redirect in extension code? 
[21:06:58] <uffiole>	i see wgOut->redirect($url) but it does not seem to work
[21:07:20] <brion-lunch>	uffiole: define doesn't work
[21:07:24] <brion-lunch>	and "extension code"
[21:09:21] <uffiole>	brion: ehm sorry?
[21:09:30] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r43908 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/TranslateEditAddons.php: Add action=edit. This should be possible with link(), but I have no idea how...
[21:09:46] <brion>	uffiole: well, it's used throughout MediaWiki, so i'm pretty sure it works :)
[21:09:53] <brion>	so to diagnose a problem we need to know your context
[21:10:03] <brion>	there are many kinds of extensions
[21:10:35] <a2cypher>	hrm..  it would seem that the problem exists in a lot of places.  I'm getting in various places, "[[Template:NS:Project]]" for instance, and it shows up as a red link when I view it.
[21:11:35] <brion>	a2cypher: offhand it sounds like you've got a broken parser, or broken language file/magic words
[21:13:34] <uffiole>	i just do  $wgOut->redirect( $url ) inside a SpecialPage derived extension class method
[21:14:47] <brion>	uffiole: what $wgOut->redirect() does is it sets a redirection target variable. when the final output is performed, a Location HTTP header is output with this URL if it's set.
[21:15:05] <brion>	so as long as you're not overriding the output and aborting early, this will generally work fine
[21:15:28] <a2cypher>	brion: do you know which file is responsible for that? 
[21:16:29] <uffiole>	alright got it now. thx brion, it works
[21:19:23] <brion>	uffiole: yay :D
[21:19:35] <brion>	a2cypher: not sure where the target problem is necessarily :(
[21:19:48] <a2cypher>	ls
[21:19:53] <a2cypher>	whoops.. not the terminal he he he 
[21:19:55] <brion>	check the localization files, see if you made any changes to Parser, see if there's any extensions that might be interfering...
[21:20:05] <a2cypher>	there are no localization files
[21:20:17] <a2cypher>	just a README in the wiki/locale dir
[21:22:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Enable FlaggedRevs custom configuration on Portuguese Wikisource - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16365  (10lugusto)
[21:23:34] <brion>	a2cypher: there is no wiki/locale dir in MediaWiki
[21:23:55] <a2cypher>	umm..  there is in all the wikis I run
[21:23:59] <a2cypher>	wiki/ being the root of the wiki
[21:24:09] <a2cypher>	so locale/ being in the root of the mediawiki install
[21:26:59] <brion>	hrmmmm... seems to be for some script that mediawiki itself doesn't use. i'll remove it, it shouldn't be in core
[21:27:04] <brion>	a2cypher: look in languages/
[21:27:11] <a2cypher>	I'm in there now.. 
[21:27:14] <a2cypher>	nothing looks out of place
[21:27:41] <a2cypher>	it seems to be only the :Template name space that is affected
[21:27:47] <werdnum>	mornin' brion.
[21:30:11] <brion>	mornin werdnum 
[21:30:27] <AzaTht>	erm...
[21:30:39] <brion>	a2cypher: {{ns:*}} etc are internal parser functions ("magic words")
[21:30:45] <brion>	not actually templates, though they act much like them
[21:30:47] <AzaTht>	it's no freaking morning, learn your place on the earth!
[21:31:03] <werdnum>	it's 8:30 :)
[21:31:11] <werdnum>	I woke up EARLY today :P
[21:31:11] <a2cypher>	hrm.  is that what they are called in the mediawiki documentation? 
[21:31:18] <lch>	if I imported an article with only the most recent revision, can I export and import the previous revisions of that article later, too?
[21:31:42] <AzaTht>	a2cypher: MW doc is RTSL
[21:31:48] <brion>	:D
[21:31:54] <a2cypher>	RTSL ? 
[21:32:14] <lch>	UTSL presumable
[21:32:20] <AzaTht>	yea
[21:32:29] <lch>	Use the source, Luke
[21:32:31] <AzaTht>	got they mixed up ツ
[21:32:34] <werdnum>	sauce
[21:32:42] <AzaTht>	RTFM|UTSL
[21:32:48] <AzaTht>	→RTSL
[21:33:02] <CIA-60>	03brion * r43909 10/trunk/phase3/locale/: Drop 'locale' directory, not actually used by MediaWiki and it confuses people.
[21:33:15] <ialex>	\o/
[21:33:23] <a2cypher>	ah... read the F* source luke..  gotcha
[21:33:58] <brion>	werdnum: re "Repurposing $wgDisableCounters to disable incrementing, but not
[21:33:59] <brion>	display of counters."
[21:34:26] <brion>	we don't want to show counter data where it doesn't exist... so we may still want to distinguish between a) "we have counter data" vs "no counter data" and b) "update counters this way" and "update counters that way"
[21:35:29] <werdnum>	brion: I don't show counter data unless it exists.
[21:36:01] <werdnum>	The check was changed from if ($wgDisableCounters) to if( $this->mCounter > 0 ) or something similar.
[21:36:04] <curvin>	Hello wikified people! I'm having problems with math on mediawiki (I'm running the latest release). When I try to put an equation into a <math></math> block I get Failed to parse (Uknown error). However, if I put specific characters (a 2 or an "a", but not 2a together) inside the block, it works. If I test texvc from the command line it works just fine, no permission issues. The images...
[21:36:06] <curvin>	...directory has been temp changed to 777 to also ensure no permission issues. Any thoughts?
[21:36:22] <werdnum>	uʍop-ǝpısdn sı ʇxǝʇ sıɥʇ
[21:36:42] <AzaTht>	werdnum: it isn't
[21:37:21] <AzaTht>	it's just a combination of some UTF-8 chars
[21:37:49] <AzaTht>	that just seems to look like upside down text
[21:37:51] <qsheets>	AzaTht: it's upside down and backwards
[21:38:05] <werdnum>	AzaTht: :)
[21:39:38] <werdnum>	brion: is that the right way to do it?
[21:39:58] <brion-meeting>	back in a few
[21:41:48] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enable FlaggedRevs custom configuration on Hungarian Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15568  +comment (10rhalsell)
[21:59:39] <a2cypher>	has anybody here ever used the scripts in the maintenance directory?  I'm trying to run parserTests.php but it says it's missing the table parsertest_tasks and I have no idea where the sql that creates that table is.
[22:00:22] <werdnum>	a2cypher: you probably don't need to run parserTests.php unless you're a developer.
[22:00:49] <a2cypher>	well my parser appears to be borked and nobody seems to be able to help, so I wanted to see if it was failing any of the parser tests.
[22:01:12] <a2cypher>	only response was for me to dig through the source.
[22:02:04] <a2cypher>	Do you have any ideas why a bunch of stuff isnt being replaced, like  :Template:Ns:User and :Template:Ns:Project etc.. 
[22:02:07] <werdnum>	What's borked about it?
[22:02:16] <werdnum>	What version are you using?
[22:02:35] <a2cypher>	I think it'
[22:02:56] <a2cypher>	s quite old, but I dont want to update it unless I have to for now.  
[22:03:07] <a2cypher>	where is the version number?
[22:03:11] <werdnum>	what version, specifically?
[22:03:13] <werdnum>	Special:Version
[22:03:53] <Mathieu1>	hi everyone
[22:04:05] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED)  - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16263  +comment (10rhalsell)
[22:04:21] <a2cypher>	version 1.12.0
[22:04:56] <werdnum>	Hmm
[22:04:58] <werdnum>	that's not too old
[22:04:59] <Mathieu1>	Could someone help with shorten URLs?
[22:05:05] <werdnum>	!shorturl | Mathieu1 
[22:05:05] --mwbot--	Mathieu1: To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL>. There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem
[22:05:37] <Mathieu1>	this nwbot is awsome
[22:05:57] <werdnum>	a2cypher: Just peeking at the source for a moment...
[22:06:03] <a2cypher>	could an extension break anything ?
[22:06:08] <Simetrical>	a2cypher, yes.
[22:06:13] <Simetrical>	Extensions can break everything.
[22:06:19] <Mathieu1>	Now could someone help me with the transfer of files into a new directory without crashing everything?
[22:06:21] <a2cypher>	hrm  
[22:06:21] <Simetrical>	Try disabling them all and seeing if the problem persists.
[22:06:48] <a2cypher>	The strange thing is that I havent changed anything and the problem was just reported to me the other day after being up for a long time.
[22:08:13] <a2cypher>	if I just tar an extension in the extensions dir, will that effectively "deactivate" it? Or is there an easier way?
[22:08:17] <Mathieu1>	they are on en.exemple.com, and they need to go into en.exemple.com/wiki/
[22:08:53] <werdnum>	Mathieu1: just cp source/dir dest/dir
[22:08:57] <werdnum>	erm
[22:09:03] <werdnum>	cp source/dir/* dest/dir
[22:09:11] <werdnum>	or even better, mv source/dir temp
[22:09:16] <werdnum>	mkdir source/dir
[22:09:20] <werdnum>	mv source/dir dest/dir
[22:09:21] <werdnum>	:)
[22:09:36] <Simetrical>	werdnum, * is bad here, it will miss dot files.
[22:09:52] <werdnum>	Simetrical: yes, that's why I suggested the second alternative :)
[22:09:57] <Simetrical>	Your second attempt is even worse, you never did anything with temp.  :)
[22:09:59] <Mathieu1>	I SO need a CTO :)
[22:10:08] <werdnum>	oh yeah
[22:10:12] <werdnum>	I mean mv temp dest/dir :)
[22:10:17] *werdnum 	hides.
[22:10:27] <werdnum>	I was up until 2 last night, because I decided to write a CMS for my website.
[22:10:30] <werdnum>	Bad move.
[22:10:53] <Mathieu1>	Is anyone located in San Francisco?
[22:11:20] <a2cypher>	disabling extensions didnt help. =(
[22:11:28] <werdnum>	hey hey tomaszf 
[22:12:25] <Charitwo>	caretdemon
[22:12:42] <a2cypher>	so; werdnum, any idea where I can get the .sql for the tables I need to run parserTests.php ?
[22:12:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable FlaggedRevs Patrolling Configuration on dewiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13969  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[22:12:59] <Simetrical>	a2cypher, you don't need to run parserTests.php in any event.  It won't tell you anything useful.
[22:13:06] <werdnum>	a2cypher: I think you're going down the wrong path, but it's probably somewhere under maintenance/
[22:13:20] <Simetrical>	a2cypher, what isn't being parsed, exactly?
[22:13:49] <a2cypher>	well, for one, when a user tries to do a signature with ~~~~ it shows up as: [[Template:Ns:user:Peter|Peter]] 21:09, 24 November 2008 (UTC) 
[22:14:06] <Simetrical>	Anything else?
[22:14:14] <a2cypher>	and in the edit page, where it should link to the Copyrights page for details, it shows up as:  (see [[Template:Ns:project:Copyrights]] for details).
[22:14:17] <Simetrical>	And is that true for all users, or just some?
[22:14:24] <Simetrical>	Hmm.
[22:14:27] <a2cypher>	all, I'm pretty sure.
[22:14:30] <CIA-60>	03demon * r43910 10/trunk/extensions/wikihiero/wikihiero.i18n.php: Make "hieroglyph" plural. I doubt people are using this to only display 1 hieroglyph :)
[22:14:53] <Simetrical>	{{ns:foo}} is supposed to be a parser function, isn't it?
[22:15:00] <Simetrical>	It seems to be broken for you.
[22:15:12] <Simetrical>	I don't know how it could be, I'd assume it would be hardcoded.
[22:15:33] <werdnum>	Simetrical: He's not typing {{ns:user}}, though.
[22:15:49] <Simetrical>	Are you really sure you've disabled all extensions?  Try disabling all extensions and then newly saving "~~~~" into a page.  It might not fix stuff retroactively to disable extensions.
[22:15:50] <werdnum>	He's typing [[User:Peter]], and it's showing up as [[Template:ns:user:Peter|Peter]]
[22:15:55] <Mathieu1>	werdnum: is there another room where we can chat, to avoid putting too much noise here?
[22:16:08] <werdnum>	Mathieu1: about something in particular?
[22:16:12] <Simetrical>	werdnum, no, he's typing ~~~~, which translates to something containing something like [[{{subst:ns:user}}:Peter|Peter]].
[22:16:28] <werdnum>	oic
[22:16:35] <a2cypher>	this is the wikisource for what ~~~~ turns into:  [[[[:Template:Ns:user]]:Peter|Peter]] 21:09, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
[22:16:49] <Simetrical>	werdnum, 'signature'      => '[[{{ns:user}}:$1|$2]]', # do not translate or duplicate this message to other languages
[22:16:57] <werdnum>	Simetrical: smartass.
[22:17:25] <Simetrical>	a2cypher, something is breaking the {{ns:}} parser function.  The only thing I can think of is an extension.
[22:17:52] <Simetrical>	a2cypher, make absolutely sure *all* extensions are disabled, *then* try saving ~~~~ into a page, and see if it works.
[22:17:52] <Mathieu1>	about this file redirection, and also some security issues
[22:17:58] <a2cypher>	I disabled all of the extensions installe,d and it didnt seem to do anything
[22:18:06] <a2cypher>	I'll try again.. 
[22:18:06] <a2cypher>	hold
[22:18:22] <a2cypher>	to disable an extension, I just have to comment it out in LocalSettings.php, correct?
[22:18:30] <werdnum>	yeah.
[22:18:36] <werdnum>	and make sure nothing's listed at Special:Version
[22:21:08] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) create portal: namespace for dv.wikipedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16403  +comment (10rhalsell)
[22:22:57] <a2cypher>	all extensions disabled and the problem is still ther.
[22:24:22] <RingtailedFox>	how do i tell if the built-in version of HTML tidy is sufficient for my wiki installation?
[22:28:57] <werdnum>	RingtailedFox: wait for something to break. If it breaks, you know it's not :)
[22:29:09] <RingtailedFox>	i have a ton of broken things then
[22:29:20] <RingtailedFox>	where do i get tidy?
[22:29:55] <werdnum>	depends on your distribution
[22:30:17] <RingtailedFox>	i don't have root access
[22:30:24] <RingtailedFox>	so, i can't use an RPM :)
[22:30:34] <RingtailedFox>	and i don't know the distro version since it returns "linux-generic"
[22:30:45] <Mathieu1>	I'm gonna try to setup the short URLs. How long do you think that should take me?
[22:31:59] <werdnum>	RingtailedFox: damn. Try installing from sauce.
[22:32:07] <werdnum>	Mathieu1: dunno, not too long.
[22:36:57] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Create new namespace aliases on en.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16452 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (happy_melon)
[22:39:17] <RingtailedFox>	ok. i managed to compile... now i'm going to put it in /extensions
[22:42:08] <CIA-60>	03tparscal * r43911 10/trunk/extensions/ContributionReporting/FundraiserStatistics_body.php: Fixed statistics reporting.
[22:47:45] <curvin>	Does mediawiki hate me?  I can get single characters to show up in TeX, but as soon as I add a second character to the equation I get an error: Failed to parse (unknown error)
[22:48:09] <curvin>	Something like 2 works, but if I put 2a in between <math></math I get that error
[22:48:23] <curvin>	*</math>
[22:49:45] <a2cypher>	I think I've tracked the problem down to the cache..  Any ideas how I can clear it? 
[22:51:52] <Simetrical>	a2cypher, even for new edits?  Try pastebinning LocalSettings.php (without database login info).
[22:52:23] <Mathieu1>	Will older and longer URLs still work if I choose to shorten them using the http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL method
[22:53:58] <brion>	a2cypher: you can update $wgCacheEpoch
[22:54:11] <brion>	that should invalidate older cache entries
[22:55:44] <RingtailedFox>	owch :P
[22:55:45] <a2cypher>	http://pastebin.com/maebccaa
[22:58:44] <brion>	a2cypher: add:
[22:58:45] <brion>	# When you make changes to this configuration file, this will make
[22:58:46] <brion>	# sure that cached pages are cleared.
[22:58:46] <brion>	$wgCacheEpoch = max( $wgCacheEpoch, gmdate( 'YmdHis', @filemtime( __FILE__ ) ) );
[22:59:44] <curvin>	LaTeX users, anyone using Gentoo?  Did your LaTeX recently break after upgrading your system?
[23:01:39] <RingtailedFox>	can anyne here help me configure mediawiki to use HTML Tidy?
[23:01:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:ChangePass: move password change form from Preferences, and add reset/usurp features - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15876  (10mrzmanwiki)
[23:02:12] <a2cypher>	yeargh..  brion, the epoch thing doesnt seem to have changed anything
[23:03:36] <brion>	:(
[23:04:11] <a2cypher>	this is so bizarre..  I'm not sure how the heck this could have just "happened".
[23:04:29] <a2cypher>	would there be any adverse effects if I just deleted everything in the objectcache table? 
[23:05:55] <brion>	nah that'd be fine
[23:10:37] <RingtailedFox>	hmm
[23:10:48] <RingtailedFox>	i need some help
[23:11:59] <a2cypher>	I've tracked it down to this line of code in GlobalFunctions.php 
[23:12:18] <a2cypher>	echo $key.' = '.$string."<br/>\n";
[23:12:18] <a2cypher>	$string = $wgMessageCache->transform( $string, !$forContent );
[23:12:18] <a2cypher>	echo $key.' = '.$string."<br/>\n";
[23:12:53] <a2cypher>	the echos return this: signature = [[{{ns:user}}:Peter|Peter]]
[23:12:53] <a2cypher>	 signature = [[[[:Template:Ns:user]]:Peter|Peter]]
[23:13:00] <Simetrical>	Yes, there's some problem with the transformation.
[23:13:09] <Simetrical>	The question is why.
[23:13:15] <Simetrical>	Did you ever pastebin your LocalSettings.php?
[23:13:18] <a2cypher>	yes
[23:13:25] <Simetrical>	I missed it.
[23:13:27] <a2cypher>	http://pastebin.com/maebccaa
[23:13:43] <a2cypher>	I added the line from brion to expire the cache
[23:13:53] <RingtailedFox>	brion: can you help me ou?
[23:13:54] <RingtailedFox>	*out?
[23:14:29] <Simetrical>	a2cypher, which lines did you comment out to disable extensions?
[23:14:49] <Simetrical>	There are a lot there that look flaky (I don't recognize them as officially maintained).
[23:15:04] <Mathieu1>	Any pages on mediawiki's website where I can learn in details how to transfer my wiki into a exemple.com/wiki folder?
[23:15:11] <Simetrical>	!shorturl | Mathieu1 
[23:15:11] --mwbot--	Mathieu1: To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL>. There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem
[23:15:24] <a2cypher>	I commented out all of the extensions
[23:15:38] <Mathieu1>	mwbot: no thank you, later :)
[23:15:59] <Simetrical>	a2cypher, sure you got all of them?  What line did you start with?  You have some as high up as line 122.
[23:16:24] <a2cypher>	lines 122,123,124, 130, 147,148,  199, 201, 203, 204, 206, 207, 215, 220-228, 231 
[23:16:41] <a2cypher>	I got em all because Special:Version didnt list any extensions 
[23:17:08] <RingtailedFox>	a2cypher, can you assist me when you're done with mathieu1 and simetrical?
[23:17:21] <Simetrical>	RingtailedFox, just ask your question.  If someone knows the answer they'll say it.
[23:17:25] <Simetrical>	People don't take turns here.
[23:17:48] <brion>	RingtailedFox: what's up?
[23:17:53] <brion>	it helps to ask the question yes :)
[23:18:05] <Simetrical>	a2cypher, poorly-written extensions might not register themselves with Special:Version correctly, but okay.  It's just that it's all too common to think you've checked the most obvious thing, and be wrong.
[23:18:28] <Simetrical>	brion, do you know of any way that {{ns:user}} could ever be interpreted as {{Template:ns:user}} (in 1.12)?  That's what a2cypher is seeing.
[23:18:59] <brion>	Simetrical: well basically something is broken :)
[23:19:05] <a2cypher>	where is $wgParser set ? 
[23:19:10] <brion>	i did recommend checking for broken extensions or modified language files
[23:19:11] <Simetrical>	brion, yes, that's evident.  :)
[23:19:17] <Simetrical>	a2cypher, somewhere during initialization.
[23:19:38] <Simetrical>	WebStart.php or something.
[23:19:48] <Simetrical>	brion, he says he tried disabling all extensions.
[23:20:02] <Simetrical>	a2cypher, I suppose your wiki isn't public?
[23:20:22] <a2cypher>	ltc.umanitoba.ca/wiki
[23:20:33] <a2cypher>	I cant give you a login though
[23:20:44] <Simetrical>	a2cypher, when did this start, by the way?
[23:20:52] <brion>	:(
[23:20:54] <Simetrical>	"This page has been accessed Template:PLURAL:42,213."
[23:21:02] <Simetrical>	*All* of your built-in parser functions are broken, it looks like.
[23:21:02] <a2cypher>	it was reported to me just the other day..  but it could have been here for a while if nobody noticed it.
[23:21:21] <a2cypher>	right.
[23:21:26] <a2cypher>	I've noticed it in a few places
[23:22:23] <Simetrical>	The only possibility I can think of is a broken extension.  Something messing with $wgParser->mFunctionHooks directly, for instance.
[23:22:36] <a2cypher>	well, I'll try disabling them again
[23:23:04] <Simetrical>	What does var_dump() of $wgParser->mFunctionHooks look like?
[23:23:47] <Splarka>	mmm, worth trying hashed PFs? {{#language:fr}} {{#special:Userlogin}}
[23:23:50] *Simetrical 	is guessing here
[23:23:58] <Simetrical>	Splarka, do those exist in 1.12?
[23:24:05] <Simetrical>	{{#special:}} probably does.
[23:24:07] <Splarka>	{{#language does}}
[23:24:10] <Splarka>	since 1.7
[23:24:37] <a2cypher>	where can I stick the var_dump that wgParser is defined? 
[23:24:37] <RingtailedFox>	well, i want to get mediawiki to use html tidy becuase i have coding issues
[23:24:39] <Splarka>	#tag was new in 1.12
[23:24:40] <RingtailedFox>	yet, i cannot get it to work
[23:25:00] <RingtailedFox>	i put the compiled binary in the extensions folder, added an entry into localsettings.php, but that doesn't do it
[23:25:06] <Simetrical>	a2cypher, well, try where you were putting echoes before.
[23:26:33] <a2cypher>	array(0) { } 
[23:26:33] <a2cypher>	also, I know no extensions are being called because i moved the extensions dir someplace else
[23:26:33] <a2cypher>	just to make sure
[23:28:07] <Simetrical>	So there are no parser functions set at all.
[23:29:25] <a2cypher>	apparently.   Are there supposed to be?
[23:29:25] <a2cypher>	or is that only for extensions?
[23:30:13] <Splarka>	a parser function is basically a self-aggrandized magic word (any that take a parameter), and several exist in core
[23:30:23] <a2cypher>	ok.
[23:30:35] <a2cypher>	so thats the problem then.   Where are they assigned? 
[23:30:48] <Simetrical>	a2cypher, in CoreParserFunctions.php.
[23:31:04] <Splarka>	many magic words moonlight as parser functions...
[23:31:12] <Simetrical>	a2cypher, they should be lazy-initialized when the parser is first used.
[23:31:20] <Splarka>	{{NUMBEROFEDITS}} -> {{NUMBEROFEDITS:R}}
[23:31:40] <CIA-60>	03brion * r43912 10/trunk/tools/video-subtitles/titles/ (PSA-Web.hsb.srt PSA-Web.zh-hans.srt PSA-Web.zh.srt): update hsb, zh (traditional), add zh (simplified)
[23:31:54] *RingtailedFox 	waits patiently
[23:32:30] <Simetrical>	RingtailedFox, I've never used Tidy, so I can't help you.
[23:32:37] <RingtailedFox>	ok
[23:32:38] <CIA-60>	03brion * r43913 10/trunk/tools/video-subtitles/titles/ (PSA-Web.zh-hant.srt PSA-Web.zh.srt): rename zh to zh-hant (as per the donation pages)
[23:33:34] *Splarka 	leaves a plate of milk and cookies out for santa dev, next to https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16437
[23:33:35] <a2cypher>	wfMsgGetKey() does something like that when its first called, which is called from wfMsgExt() which is called from Parser.php
[23:33:35] <a2cypher>	is that what I'm looking for you think?
[23:33:44] <a2cypher>	It checks to see if wgMessagecache has been set
[23:33:50] <a2cypher>	and if not, it initializes it.
[23:34:23] <Simetrical>	wgMessageCache shouldn't be relevant.
[23:34:36] <Simetrical>	The problem is that the CoreParserFunctions should have registered themselves with $wgParser.
[23:34:43] <Simetrical>	Either they haven't, or they did but were overwritten.
[23:34:48] <a2cypher>	ok
[23:35:16] <a2cypher>	Parser.php calls CoreParserFunctions::intFunction ($this)  is that the registering you're refering to? 
[23:35:19] <muinator>	hey folks !
[23:35:26] <muinator>	one little question
[23:35:33] <muinator>	my embedded pics
[23:35:37] <muinator>	are not shown
[23:35:50] <Simetrical>	a2cypher, it should be CoreParserFunctions::register that does the registration.
[23:35:52] <muinator>	when you go the the site
[23:36:00] <muinator>	anyone with a idea?
[23:36:02] <Simetrical>	It calls $parser->setFunctionHook a whole bunch of times.
[23:38:03] <a2cypher>	there is no CoreParserFunctions::register 
[23:38:05] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Enable FlaggedRevs custom configuration on Hungarian Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15568  +comment (10gtisza)
[23:38:17] <Simetrical>	a2cypher, hmm.
[23:38:22] <Simetrical>	There is in trunk.
[23:38:28] <a2cypher>	Various core parser functions, registered in Parser::firstCallInit()
[23:38:34] <Simetrical>	Let's see.
[23:38:50] <a2cypher>	first comment of CoreParserFunctions.php
[23:39:00] <Simetrical>	Yeah, was changed since then, apparently.
[23:39:35] <a2cypher>	and in firstCallinit, it only calls "CoreParserFunctions::intFunction ($this ) 
[23:39:35] <a2cypher>	hrm...
[23:39:35] <a2cypher>	how bizarre
[23:39:36] <Simetrical>	Oh, okay, they were hardcoded in Parser::firstCallInit() then.
[23:39:49] <Simetrical>	a2cypher, firstCallInit() should look like this.  http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/branches/REL1_12/phase3/includes/Parser.php?revision=32998&view=markup
[23:39:50] <Simetrical>	In 1.12.
[23:39:51] <a2cypher>	when I look in another wiki install, I see them all hardcoded in firstCallinit
[23:41:11] <a2cypher>	I wonder if I just copy paste those registrations, if it will work
[23:42:25] <Simetrical>	a2cypher, maybe you have a 1.13 version of Parser.php but a 1.12 version of CoreParserFunctions.php somehow?  It might be a good idea to recopy all files.
[23:42:30] <Simetrical>	(after backing up)
[23:43:40] <a2cypher>	yah, maybe I'll have to do that.
[23:44:00] <a2cypher>	it's really strange, maybe the problems been there a long time but nobody has noticed
[23:44:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Check and delete empty tex images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16440  (10cbm)
[23:46:19] <a2cypher>	how do I get an older verison on sourceforge? 
[23:48:57] <Simetrical>	. . . sourceforge?
[23:48:59] <Simetrical>	srsly?
[23:49:08] <p858snake|2>	A2:  <for stables
[23:49:16] <p858snake|2>	http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=34373&package_id=93103
[23:49:20] <^demon>	brion: I was reading your bug on big animated gifs. Came across http://getid3.sourceforge.net/, which is rather cool. Returns ID3 tags + all other kinds of metadata on a bunch of media formats (audio+video+image)
[23:51:53] <brion>	neat :D
[23:53:24] <^demon>	And zip/tar/iso?
[23:53:27] <^demon>	random.
[23:55:02] <Mathieu1>	still haven't been able to fiure out how to transfer my wiki from example.com to example.com/wiki. Dont know what "mv source/dir dest/dir" is :( Is there a simple and efficient way to do it?
[23:55:58] <^demon>	Mathieu1: Move it from /public_html/ (or wherever you put your web documents) to /public_html/whatever.
[23:56:24] <^demon>	If you want the urls to be like wikipedia's, move it to /public_html/w and then read this:
[23:56:25] <^demon>	!shorturl
[23:56:25] --mwbot--	To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL>. There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem
[23:57:39] <Mathieu1>	^demon: should I move everything in the /wiki/ folder that I just created? that's it? nothing else to configure in the localsetting.php file?
[23:58:30] <^demon>	And change $wgScriptPath in your localsettings to whatever the new subdirectory is.
[23:58:36] <^demon>	(/whatever)