[00:01:17] <Mathieu1>	^demon: the /config file won't move... should i mess with the chmod?
[00:01:34] <^demon>	If you've already installed, you can delete /config entirely.
[00:01:46] <^demon>	Or chmod it, you don't need it either way.
[00:05:46] <Mathieu1>	^demon: it worked! thanks so much!
[00:06:40] <^demon>	No problem.
[00:12:05] <Onteron>	hi, how do you compare a page name with a single quote in it in a parser function?
[00:12:20] <Mathieu1>	^demon: are you also good at sort URLs?
[00:14:10] <^demon>	Having a problem?
[00:17:24] <Splarka>	Onteron: &quot; I believe, or the numeric &#34;
[00:17:44] <Mathieu1>	mediawiki offers different solutions to shorten the wiki urls. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL Is there a method that you recommend?  Perhaps the: wiki/Page title -- no root access x44 x8 -
[00:18:56] <^demon>	i have root access :)
[00:19:25] <CIA-60>	03yaron * r43914 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticResultFormats/Calendar/SRF_Calendar.php: Added handling for latest change to SMWTimeValue in SMW 1.4
[00:20:27] <Splarka>	Onteron: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ExpandTemplates?contexttitle=%22foo%22&input=%7B%7B%23ifeq%3A%7B%7BFULLPAGENAME%7D%7D%7C%26quot%3Bfoo%26quot%3B%7Cyes%7Cno%7D%7D%0D%0A%0D%0A%7B%7B%23ifeq%3A%7B%7BFULLPAGENAMEE%7D%7D%7C%2522foo%2522%7Cyes%7Cno%7D%7D%0D%0A%0D%0A%7B%7BFULLPAGENAME%7D%7D+-+%7B%7BFULLPAGENAMEE%7D%7D%0D%0A%0D%0A&removecomments=1
[00:21:55] <^demon>	Mathieu1: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/wiki/Page_title_--_no_root_access - the method with using .htaccess is easy enough.
[00:22:20] <^demon>	Personally, I like mod_rewrite :)
[00:23:09] <domas>	mod_rewrite sucks
[00:23:17] <domas>	why would you need it, when you can do everything in app
[00:23:19] <domas>	hi!
[00:23:24] <^demon>	hi domas :)
[00:23:40] <Onteron>	thanks, Splarka, I just got it to work by using {{PAGENAMEE}} instead of {{PAGENAME}}
[00:23:42] <werdnum>	hi domas!
[00:24:29] <CIA-60>	03yaron * r43915 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticCalendar/includes/ (SC_GlobalFunctions.php SC_ParserFunctions.php): Simplified date handling
[00:24:34] <werdnum>	sıɥʇ pɐǝɹ ʇ,uɐɔ sɐɯop
[00:24:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Check and delete empty tex images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16440  (10cbm)
[00:26:48] <Mathieu1>	^demon: do you know where the file httpd.conf is located?
[00:26:51] <Simetrical>	וורדנא לא יכול לקרא זאת
[00:26:58] <Splarka>	Onteron: for future reference, Special:ExpandTemplates lets you debug it easier, showing you what the parser sees
[00:27:15] <Simetrical>	Mathieu1, usually /etc or some subdirectory of that, like /etc/httpd, /etc/apache, /etc/apache2, etc.
[00:27:53] <Simetrical>	Mathieu1, you can try the command "whereis httpd.conf" or "find /etc httpd.conf" if you have shell access.  (If you don't, you probably can't edit the file anyway.)
[00:28:47] <Onteron>	thanks for that Splarka that's great!
[00:31:33] <CIA-60>	03yaron * r43916 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticResultFormats/Calendar/SRF_Calendar.php: Simplified date handling
[00:32:28] *werdnum 	wonders why he's listening to Beethoven.
[00:32:58] *^demon 	is listening to greg play trombone :p
[00:33:46] <qsheets>	werdnum: b/c you use Windows
[00:36:39] <Splarka>	beethoven is a gateway drug to Savatage/TransSiberianOrchestra
[00:41:48] <Mike_lifeguard>	Can the api return html for a page?
[00:42:28] <MrZ-man|AAAAA>	action=parse
[00:42:50] <Mike_lifeguard>	thanks
[01:03:43] <Mathieu1>	do you guys know where is the /etc file?
[01:04:51] <^demon>	Mathieu1: You're on Linux? It would be at /etc, in your root
[01:05:02] <^demon>	*root directory, that is.
[01:08:09] <Mathieu1>	^demon: no, I have _db_backups, cgi, images, php_uploads, stats, wiki. No /etc file :( can you tell I'm struggling? :)
[01:09:47] <^demon>	Then you probably can't modify your httpd.conf. Try one of the .htaccess methods then.
[01:09:52] <qsheets>	Mathieu1: you most likely dont have access to the root folder on the server if it is not yours
[01:10:06] <werdnum>	...
[01:10:12] <werdnum>	dude, he's talking about the root directory of his web
[01:10:14] <werdnum>	the document root
[01:10:36] *qsheets 	knows
[01:17:03] <Mathieu1>	fyi if that can help. I'm using SmartFtp and godaddy for the hosting
[01:17:35] <werdnum>	Mathieu1: you want short URLs, right?
[01:17:56] <Mathieu1>	yes
[01:18:20] <Mathieu1>	werdnum: please..
[01:18:27] <werdnum>	Mathieu1: then you want this method
[01:18:29] <werdnum>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/wiki/Page_title_--_no_root_access
[01:19:34] <Mathieu1>	werdnum: thanks. will try this one
[01:27:41] <Mathieu1>	werdnum: so here's what I added to the localsettings.php: $wgScriptPath = '/w'; $wgArticlePath = '/wiki/$1';  $wgUsePathInfo = true; 
[01:27:58] <Mathieu1>	werdnum: should I create the /wiki/ file?
[01:28:02] <werdnum>	no
[01:28:05] <Mathieu1>	ok
[01:28:10] <werdnum>	you need to edit .htaccess as described in the doc
[01:29:42] <CIA-60>	03yaron * r43917 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticResultFormats/Calendar/SRF_Calendar.php: Fix for leading zeros in getMonth() and getDay()
[01:30:06] <Mathieu1>	werdnum: Can't find the .htaccess in my /w folder. Should I create it?
[01:30:11] <werdnum>	yes.
[01:30:18] <werdnum>	but you should create it in the root folder, not /w
[01:30:59] <Mathieu1>	werdnum: I found one there. It says: RewriteEngine on
[01:30:59] <Mathieu1>	RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-f
[01:30:59] <Mathieu1>	RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-d
[01:30:59] <Mathieu1>	RewriteRule ^(.+)$ index.php?title=$1 [L,QSA]
[01:31:29] <Mathieu1>	wednum:  I should just keep editing below that, right?
[01:31:35] <werdnum>	that looks like it's from a previous attempt
[01:31:38] <werdnum>	you should replace that file.
[01:31:50] <CIA-60>	03tparscal * r43918 10/trunk/extensions/ContributionReporting/ (5 files): Restructured the fundraiser statistics code and user interface.
[01:31:51] <Mathieu1>	ok
[01:34:53] <Mathieu1>	werdnum: can I use block-note to create an .htaccess file?
[01:35:05] <werdnum>	what's block-note?
[01:35:30] <Mathieu1>	werdnum: sorry, the windows notepad 
[01:35:40] <werdnum>	Probably not
[01:35:47] <werdnum>	it leaves evil byte-order marks.
[01:35:50] <werdnum>	!notepad
[01:35:50] --mwbot--	The byte-order mark (BOM) is a special character added to files by some text editors, most notably, by Notepad. It is unnecessary and breaks PHP code. You should not use Notepad to edit PHP files. Alternatives for Windows include Notepad++, SciTE, EditPlus, and UltraEdit. 
[01:36:34] <Mathieu1>	is the .httpaccess file a php file?
[01:38:01] <RingtailedFox>	!kwrite
[01:38:01] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "kwrite".
[01:43:08] <CIA-60>	03tparscal * r43919 10/trunk/extensions/ContributionReporting/ContributionReporting.i18n.php: Fixed languages.
[01:45:26] <werdnum>	Mathieu1: no, but I bet a BOM would still break it.
[01:45:52] <Mathieu1>	wednum: I got: /wiki/Main_Page was not found on this server. I'll keep working on it
[01:46:39] <Mathieu1>	wednum: it seems that the url transformation worked but the .htaccess file didn't 
[01:47:07] *Mike_lifeguard 	drools over the skin at http://innovatia.org/~innovati/index.php?title=Main_Page
[01:47:09] *werdnum 	dunno.
[01:47:12] <^demon|away>	Mathieu1: Did you move your wiki installation to /w or /wiki?
[01:47:16] <werdnum>	google for MediaWiki GoDaddy.
[01:47:16] <Mike_lifeguard>	someone should steal that :|
[01:47:37] <werdnum>	Mike_lifeguard: that's not bad.
[01:47:57] <Mike_lifeguard>	they removed copyright stuff, so i dunno how it might be licensed
[01:48:07] <Mathieu1>	^emon: everything is still on /w
[01:48:18] <Mathieu1>	^demon: everything is still on /w
[01:48:20] <^demon>	Mathieu1: Oh ok :)
[01:48:23] <^demon>	Hmm.
[01:48:37] <^demon>	Can you paste the *exact* contents of your .htaccess into a pastebin?
[01:48:58] <Mathieu1>	^demon: I think I messed up the htaccess. what's a pastebin?
[01:49:34] <Mathieu1>	werdnum: I automatically installed mediawiki with godaddy
[01:49:41] <^demon>	Mathieu1: http://rafb.net/paste/ - copy+paste, give us the url when it's up
[01:50:54] <Mathieu1>	Thanks!  http://rafb.net/p/u965s621.html
[01:52:28] <Mathieu1>	here's what I also tried: http://rafb.net/p/h6iFJd12.html 
[01:55:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Install ImportFreeImages (Flickr) extension on Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8854  (10mikelifeguard)
[01:57:24] <^demon>	Mathieu1: This is what I use: http://pastey.net/102702 (replace view and /v with wiki and /w).
[01:58:02] <werdnum>	I love $wgActionPaths
[01:58:05] <werdnum>	they are the sex.
[01:58:49] <RingtailedFox>	werdnum: where do i get support for HTML Tidy and Mediawiki?
[01:59:16] <^demon>	!tidy
[01:59:16] --mwbot--	Wikimedia uses HTML Tidy, which allows mixed html and wikitables inside parser functions and templates. This can often be confusing for people copying templates from Wikimedia projects. For more information about HTML Tidy, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUseTidy>.
[01:59:17] <werdnum>	ask your question here, and we'll see.
[01:59:37] <RingtailedFox>	well, i'm trying to install HTML TIdy and configure MediaWiki to use it, but so far, it ignores TIdy
[01:59:39] <RingtailedFox>	*Tidy
[01:59:54] <^demon>	Does PHP have tidy support enabled? Check your phpinfo();
[02:00:05] <Splarka>	I think RingtailedFox has been !tidy'd like 50 times
[02:00:08] <RingtailedFox>	yeah
[02:00:09] <Mathieu1>	^demon: I copied your text. Can you take a look at this part of my localsetting  http://rafb.net/p/RQBkdO44.html
[02:00:18] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) My editing deletes numbers in links in pages that I am editing, even though I am not touching those links. This has happened recurrently and has messed up many (English) Wikipedia pages. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16453 04CRIT; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (wellman)
[02:01:09] <RingtailedFox>	i know exactly what tidy is.. i'm just having a pickle of a time getting it to work :)
[02:01:22] <^demon>	Mathieu1: Looks fine.
[02:01:43] <^demon>	RingtailedFox: Did you check phpinfo(); to see if PHP has it enabled?
[02:02:06] <Mathieu1>	hum..
[02:02:17] <RingtailedFox>	do i type that into SSH?
[02:02:48] <^demon>	Make a test.php file somewhere and load it in your browser. "<?php phpinfo(); " is all it needs.
[02:02:53] <^demon>	(without quotes, of course)
[02:03:06] <RingtailedFox>	no close > thingy?
[02:03:11] <^demon>	If you want.
[02:03:15] <^demon>	Doesn't matter.
[02:05:05] <Mathieu1>	^demon: should i be able to access the wiki through example.com/w or example.com/wiki ?
[02:05:21] <^demon>	Both.
[02:05:22] <RingtailedFox>	www.mobianlegends.com/phpinfo.php
[02:05:41] <^demon>	Hm says tidy is enabled.
[02:05:51] <p858snake>	anyone here good with $wgRestrictionLevels, i can't seem to get it to work
[02:08:06] <werdnum>	p858snake: what have you tried, and what's not working about it?
[02:09:27] <RingtailedFox>	^demon: what should i do now?
[02:09:43] <Mathieu1>	^demon: Developer 101. Using Dreamweaver, what should I open to create an .htaccess file? php, c#, text, ?
[02:09:48] <^demon>	RingtailedFox: If you've enabled it in php and mw and it doesn't work, dunno :(
[02:10:09] <^demon>	Mathieu1: Just a plaintext document.
[02:11:55] <p858snake>	werdnum: this is my custom group and the lines i've added for the restricted channel (from what i could gather from the manual page and my mailing list enquiry) http://pastebin.ca/1266324 and i created [[MediaWiki:Protect-level-ShiftStaff]]
[02:12:39] <RingtailedFox>	the thing is, ^demon ..  i don't thikn i enabl;ed it in mediawiki... how do i make sure i did properly?
[02:13:22] <^demon>	Check your LocalSettings for $wgUseTidy = true;
[02:13:29] <RingtailedFox>	it's set to true
[02:13:56] <werdnum>	p858snake: $wgRestrictionLevels is an array of rights, not groups
[02:18:28] <Mathieu1>	^demon: The requested URL /wiki/Main_Page was not found on this server.
[02:18:45] <^demon>	Mathieu1: I dunno then :\
[02:18:50] <Mathieu1>	^demon: should I pay a developer to do this?
[02:19:45] <Mathieu1>	anyone available for 15 minutes?
[02:20:05] <^demon>	Mathieu1: I wouldn't pay anyone. I can't figure it out, but maybe someone else here can...
[02:21:04] <Mathieu1>	 I probably went too far and messed up a few files :(
[02:39:19] <CIA-60>	03brion * r43920 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[02:39:20] <CIA-60>	* (bug 5477) Searches for words less than 4 characters now work without
[02:39:20] <CIA-60>	 requiring customization of MySQL server settings
[02:39:20] <CIA-60>	Short words are padded so they now get indexed. Yay!
[02:39:20] <CIA-60>	Adapted part of Werdna's patch, with some additional cleanup:
[02:39:20] <CIA-60>	* Using 'U00' to pad instead of 'SMALL' to reduce false positives (eg search for "small*" could match "Smallville" and "SMALLc")
[02:39:25] <CIA-60>	* Checking server's ft_min_word_len variable to see if we need to do anything. This preserves index compatibility with existing installations which have customized their index length.
[02:42:12] <werdnum>	brion: whee
[02:43:02] <brion>	:D
[02:43:38] <brion>	damn i put the wrong bug number :D
[02:44:00] <werdnum>	teehee
[02:44:15] <werdnum>	brion: so what were we thinking about DCVSes? Too much effort to figure out which ones are worth using? :D
[02:44:17] <CIA-60>	03brion * r43921 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: list right bug number
[02:45:23] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Searches less than 4 characters long don't work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7726  +comment (10brion)
[02:45:34] <brion>	werdnum: any mention of DVCS leads to a git-vs-everything-else flamewar
[02:45:41] <werdnum>	yeah, I noticed that.
[02:45:41] <brion>	it's too painful :D
[02:45:46] <werdnum>	That's what I thought :P
[02:45:58] <brion>	ok i'm gonna head home and get some dinners
[02:46:04] <werdnum>	nighty night, brion.
[02:46:05] <werdnum>	7pm?
[02:46:23] <brion>	yeah i was finihsing that damn bug up :D
[02:46:28] *brion 	wanders off hungry
[02:46:30] *werdnum 	hides.
[02:46:45] <brion>	actually did half the work before i noticed your patch ;)
[02:46:56] <werdnum>	haha
[02:47:08] *brion 	now has a copy of Simple English Wikipedia on his laptop to test search with...
[02:47:11] <werdnum>	It wasn't that much work...
[02:47:12] <brion>	now that's entertainment
[02:47:14] <brion>	:D
[02:47:15] <werdnum>	haha
[02:47:22] <brion>	yeah the core of it's pretty simple, we should have done it years ago
[02:47:26] <werdnum>	"Adolf Hitler was a very bad man."
[02:47:28] <Splarka>	why simple? lots of little words?
[02:47:32] <brion>	bahahahahaha
[02:47:37] <brion>	ok i'm off now
[02:47:41] <werdnum>	{{NPOV}}
[02:51:38] <Mathieu1>	^demon: still here?
[02:53:06] <^demon>	Mathieu1: A bit
[02:53:17] <Mathieu1>	Since I'm using godaddy, what do you think about inserting this into my localsetting.php $wgImageMagickConvertCommand = "/usr/local/bin/convert"; 
[02:53:50] <Mathieu1>	^demon: that's what it says here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/wiki/Page_title_--_GoDaddy_Shared_Linux_Subdomain
[02:54:27] *^demon 	shrugs
[02:55:05] <^demon>	I've never had godaddy for hosting. You can add it. If it works, your thumbnails will show up. If it doesn't, they won't and you'll have to go back to GD.
[02:55:38] <Mathieu1>	hum.. thanks
[03:07:57] <Mathieu1>	heading home. Thanks ^demon and werdnum for your help today
[03:18:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) My editing deletes numbers in links in pages that I am editing, even though I am not touching those links. This has happened recurrently and has messed up many (English) Wikipedia pages. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16453  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[03:18:41] <RingtailedFox>	matheiu1: you should escape from godaddy as soon as possible. they have a horrible buisness record
[03:35:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change favicon on de, fr, pl, nl Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16315  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[03:35:55] <CIA-60>	03tomasz * r43922 10/trunk/extensions/CentralNotice/ (CentralNotice.i18n.php SpecialNoticeTemplate.php): Adding preview all translations support for any template along with cloning functionality. This is one of the last changes before I merge a large cleanup of the code.
[03:40:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) move-subpages should have a collapsed log entry - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14818  (10mikelifeguard)
[03:41:18] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) My editing deletes numbers in links in pages that I am editing, even though I am not touching those links. This has happened recurrently and has messed up many (English) Wikipedia pages. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16453  +comment (10mrzmanwiki)
[03:42:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Moving subpages doesn' t move subpages that have nonexistent parents - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14575  (10mikelifeguard)
[03:45:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Talk pages of subpages are not moved if the top-level page has no talk page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14369  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[03:46:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Option to protect all subpages and talk pages when protecting the page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12908  (10mikelifeguard)
[03:49:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Admin functions for (autoconfirmed) users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14325  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[03:49:07] <p858snake>	say if i'm using a variable in a template such as {{{imagesize|}}} is there anyway to get it to inject a default variable if nothing is entered for it? 
[03:50:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Page move rollback should not leave a redirect - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3185  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[03:53:51] <Splarka>	p858snake: you are already
[03:54:10] <Splarka>	p858snake: {{{imagesize}}} is a variable, {{{imagesize|}}} is that variable with a null default
[03:54:21] <Splarka>	{{{imagesize|foo}}} would show 'foo' as a default
[03:56:36] <Mike_lifeguard>	Can someone remind me how &offset works if you want to link to a particular spot in the log?
[03:58:12] <Splarka>	magick!
[03:58:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Moving a page with subpages to be a subpage of itself causes it to be moved twice - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14817  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[03:59:02] *Mike_lifeguard 	figured it out, kinda
[03:59:11] <Splarka>	UTC timestamp, ISO 8601, with all nonnumbers removed
[03:59:29] <Splarka>	YYYYMMDDHHMMSS
[04:00:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) @ (at-sign) needs to be totally invalid for usernames - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12581  15enhancement->normal; +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[04:02:21] <Mike_lifeguard>	Splarka: thanks
[04:02:31] <Splarka>	mike: gonna keep subtly bumping the severity until that gets done?
[04:03:32] <Mike_lifeguard>	That's not a bug I care about, I just happened to see it.
[04:03:41] <Mike_lifeguard>	(note I'm not CCd)
[04:04:28] <Splarka>	hmm, I wonder if there is some unicode symbol close
[04:04:31] *Splarka 	doesn't care enough to check
[04:04:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New messages bar should appear above page title, for consistency with other message boxes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12681  (10wiki)
[04:05:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) ability to watch "bundles" of sub-pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2308  (10mikelifeguard)
[04:06:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Page move rollback does some odd things - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2621  (10mikelifeguard)
[04:07:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Autoconfirmed on all projects for global usernames - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13521  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[04:09:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "what links here" should list the template, not the pages that use it - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12396  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[04:10:41] <Splarka>	Special:Whatlinkshere/FooBar     [[{{Echo|Foo}}{{Echo|Bar}}]]
[04:10:43] <Splarka>	heh
[04:10:45] <Splarka>	good luck with that
[04:12:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Expand functionality of Special:nuke on meta to all wiki' s within Wikimedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11069  (10mikelifeguard)
[04:14:04] <naught101>	how can I add book sources to special:booksources?
[04:15:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Script sometimes deletes file, but not description and doesn' t log the delete - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13863  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[04:15:35] *^demon 	wishes implode() would not glue empty params in a url...
[04:15:43] <^demon>	*array
[04:17:28] <naught101>	anyone?
[04:19:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Occasional error where a file gets deleted, but the image description doesn't, and the deletion is unlogged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13863  summary (10mikelifeguard)
[04:19:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Log events occassionally not logged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12129  (10mikelifeguard)
[04:20:06] *Mike_lifeguard 	rests after spamming 78% of the developers via bugzilla :D
[04:21:18] <^demon>	Mike_lifeguard: (mod) aren't as fun as (FIXED) ;-)
[04:21:27] <Mike_lifeguard>	True.
[04:21:37] <Mike_lifeguard>	but you may have noticed my track record in doing that
[04:21:41] <Mike_lifeguard>	ie never
[04:23:14] <Splarka>	naught101: checked http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:ISBN ?
[04:23:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New messages bar should appear above page title, for consistency with other message boxes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12681  (10wiki)
[04:23:25] <naught101>	Splarka: yes...
[04:24:29] *Mike_lifeguard 	wants https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/Special:Contributions/Mike.lifeguard
[04:26:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New messages bar should appear above page title, for consistency with other message boxes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12681  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[04:27:19] <Splarka>	Mike: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED&emailassigned_to2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailcc2=1&emaillongdesc2=1&emailtype2=substring&email2=mikelifeguard%40fastmail.fm
[04:27:43] <Mike_lifeguard>	O.o
[04:27:55] <naught101>	I don't understand it...
[04:28:08] *Mike_lifeguard 	saves
[04:29:17] <^demon>	Splarka: That doesn't include bugs his e-mails not on (as reporter, assignee, cc, etc), right?
[04:30:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add username in new messages bar to prevent UI spoofing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12693  (10mikelifeguard)
[04:31:29] <Splarka>	^demon: username == email address, so that should be anything he's assigned, reported, a CCer of, and commented on
[04:31:49] <^demon>	Splarka: Unless you don't add CC to everything you do, as do many people.
[04:31:55] <Splarka>	although probably not simply changed the status of
[04:32:17] <Splarka>	^demon: no, literally the username is the email address...
[04:32:25] <Mike_lifeguard>	Anyone know what the <p style... does in https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9526#c0 ?
[04:32:30] <Splarka>	you don't need to CC a bug to be found as a commentor by your email addy
[04:32:54] <^demon>	true yes.
[04:33:23] <^demon>	I never saw the reason for bug 12693.
[04:33:48] <Splarka>	Mike: it covers the whole page with a click area
[04:34:25] <^demon>	An invisible click area :)
[04:34:44] <Mike_lifeguard>	ok, ok
[04:34:45] <Splarka>	I experimented with that.. the problem is, you can cover almost everything except the logo and active caction
[04:34:53] *Mike_lifeguard 	tests
[04:34:57] <Splarka>	because of the way monobook floats the cactions behind the content, except the active one
[04:35:10] <Splarka>	and there is no good clipping method possible while that is in effect
[04:35:19] <^demon>	Couldn't you bump the z-index and make it on top of everything?
[04:35:27] <Splarka>	it would be trivial if you could set the content z-index lower than the column-one, but that would ruin the float
[04:35:41] <Splarka>	you need column one a sibling for the float trick in monobook
[04:35:57] <Splarka>	^demon: z-index is inherited
[04:36:21] <Splarka>	if you have <foo z-index=2> and <bar z-index=1> nothing in bar as a child can cover anything in foo
[04:36:40] <^demon>	Ah yes.
[04:36:49] <^demon>	Hmmm, putting that in my mainpage didn't work...
[04:38:18] <Mike_lifeguard>	didn't really work in the sandbox
[04:38:27] <Mike_lifeguard>	but I imagine variations on the code provided would
[04:39:12] <Splarka>	damn, I had some notes about this from years ago, there are lots of tricks you can do, but none are really an all-over solution
[04:39:26] <Splarka>	you can for example make the content area overflow hidden, but that has bad consequences
[04:40:22] <^demon>	I added * { display: none } to my monobook once...that was annoying.
[04:40:39] <^demon>	Granted, I did it on purpose, but :p
[04:41:20] <Splarka>	noob
[04:41:58] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Monobook.css&diff=227327272&oldid=210732098
[04:42:44] <^demon>	A quick grep says we only use z-index's maxing out at 99. So you could just blacklist any z-index higher than 98 in Sanitizer?
[04:44:32] *Splarka 	shrugs
[04:51:11] <^demon>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Statistics - out of curiosity, what do the asterices after Pages* and Active users(...)* indicate?
[04:51:31] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r43923 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (specialpages/RatingHistory_body.php svggraph/svgGraph.php): Add background color
[04:54:23] <Splarka>		if( $tooltip ) {
[04:54:23] <Splarka>			$text = '<div title="' . wfMsg( $tooltip ) . '">' . $text . '<sup>*</sup></div>';
[04:54:23] <Splarka>		}
[04:54:30] <Splarka>	^demon: means it has a tooltip
[04:55:14] *Splarka 	wonders why 'Active users' on en.wp has a redundant tooltip (or redundant spammy line)
[04:55:45] <^demon>	Probably the latter.
[04:56:26] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Statistics-users-active
[05:01:37] <RingtailedFox>	what is the name of the plugin/extension that colour-codes computer code in MediaWiki pages?
[05:01:40] <RingtailedFox>	you know, like Common.js
[05:04:28] <Splarka>	!geshi
[05:04:28] --mwbot--	there are several extensions for syntax highlighting, see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Syntax_highlighting - the most popular one is at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi
[05:04:37] <RingtailedFox>	thanks
[05:04:41] <RingtailedFox>	let me just see if i installed that
[05:06:28] <RingtailedFox>	hmm. it's installed o.O
[05:10:50] <Splarka>	http://www.tkmaxx.com/important-customer-statement.aspx
[05:11:41] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r43924 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/specialpages/RatingHistory_body.php: darken
[05:12:36] <^demon>	Splarka: Hahah
[05:23:03] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Sigs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16454 minor; normal; Wikimedia: wikibugs; (leujohn1)
[05:30:20] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) "Article" is used where the contents of MediaWiki: Article should be used instead - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16455 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (mikelifeguard)
[05:30:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "Article" is used where the contents of MediaWiki: Article should be used instead - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16455  15enhancement->normal (10mikelifeguard)
[05:35:16] *MZMcBride 	stares at bug 16454.
[05:35:30] <MZMcBride>	There's really no delete function for Bugzilla?
[05:35:42] <Papageno>	How do I use something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Export/Title_of_the_article but also provide a revision ID to get XML of a specific article revision?
[05:36:04] <MZMcBride>	API?
[05:36:40] <Papageno>	I want to request it via http simply by url
[05:37:10] <Splarka>	specific article's top revision, or specific revision?
[05:37:22] <Papageno>	Specific revision. I have the IDs.
[05:37:37] <Splarka>	in index.php you can use action=raw  and oldid=#, no article title or ID is necessary
[05:38:25] <Splarka>	or via the API:
[05:38:25] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&rvprop=content&revids=12345
[05:38:56] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?action=raw&oldid=12345
[05:39:16] <Splarka>	for the raw wikicode... or for the rendered...
[05:39:54] <Papageno>	Ok cool. Thanks. Now, can I get the article in plaintext, with all markup removed? I have a script to convert from the XML to plaintext but the way you provided returns the article in wikipedia markup and not XML (like special:export does)
[05:40:12] <Splarka>	mmm... well
[05:40:21] <Splarka>	the export provides raw wikicode, with XML wrappers
[05:41:02] <Papageno>	Is that like the XML I get from Special:Export?
[05:41:18] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Export/Foobar
[05:41:27] <Splarka>	that is raw wikicode, the XML is just informational
[05:41:38] <Papageno>	Oh good point
[05:41:40] <Splarka>	the article ID, the username and article ID
[05:41:43] <Splarka>	er and username ID
[05:41:49] <Papageno>	Yeah, I didn't notice
[05:41:59] <Splarka>	the life of an article:
[05:42:00] <Splarka>	wikicode -> xml parse tree -> full HTML
[05:42:25] <Splarka>	the wikicode can be gotten plain via action=raw, wrapped in XML via Export or the API (or wrapped in JSON or a half dozen other formats)...
[05:42:56] <Splarka>	the XML parse tree is a bit hard to get, usually Special:ExpandTemplates or action=expandtemplates&generatexml via the API
[05:43:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Access QueryPage-based special pages via API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14869  +comment (10mrzmanwiki)
[05:43:14] <Splarka>	the full html is visible in action=view (visiting a page), action=render, or action=parse in the API
[05:43:33] <Splarka>	but you don't want any of that I think, if you want the plain text of the article it doesn't really exist
[05:43:41] <Splarka>	however, a good rule of thumb...
[05:43:41] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) GIF Issues (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16456 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Images; (innocentkiller)
[05:43:42] <Papageno>	And there's no simple way to get it rendered in plaintext? I'm trying to get the raw word data
[05:43:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Transparant GIF's lose transparancy when resized - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2229  (10innocentkiller)
[05:43:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) rescaling of animated gif increase size - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11822  (10innocentkiller)
[05:43:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Resizing of Some GIFs Rendering Poorly; Setting Needs Changing? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13252  (10innocentkiller)
[05:43:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) GIF scaling limit should be applied to animated GIFs only - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16451  (10innocentkiller)
[05:43:50] <Splarka>	arg
[05:43:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Tracking bug (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2007  (10innocentkiller)
[05:43:59] *Splarka 	whaps demon with a spambat
[05:44:02] <MZMcBride>	>_>
[05:44:11] <MZMcBride>	New tracking bug...
[05:44:24] <Splarka>	Papageno: in the rendered output, all the page's content is in block level elements
[05:44:27] <^demon>	Hey, there's no "disable bugzilla notify" button :-\
[05:44:47] <Splarka>	by default this is <p>, but things like templates often use <ul> <ol> <div> and <table>
[05:45:13] <Splarka>	what you can try, is removing all but first-generation <p> from a page (stripping infoboxes, navboxes, 'other use' boxes, etc)
[05:45:15] <Papageno>	Can I tell it which elements to use? In particular, no elements?
[05:45:19] <Splarka>	and then from those, remove all html
[05:45:49] <Splarka>	hmm
[05:46:00] <Splarka>	well, take for example this:
[05:46:01] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foobar?action=render
[05:46:05] <Splarka>	view the page source
[05:46:50] <Splarka>	you'll find the structure (first generation): <div> <div> <p> <table> <script> <p> <h2> <p> <p> <p> <p> <p> <h2> ...
[05:47:48] <Splarka>	the first two divs are dablinks, not really part of the useful raw text, the first <p> has the overview, then comes the <table> which is the table of contents here, then a <script> for that table, then a <p> with a hidden anchor target, then a header <h2>
[05:47:58] <Splarka>	then you start to get the meat, in sequential <p>
[05:48:17] <Splarka>	if you simply strip all html tags, you'll get a lot of excess stuff like TOC, infobox, disambiguation
[05:48:36] <Splarka>	but if you strip all block level elements outside of the first layer of <p> you usually get the bulk of the raw text of a document
[05:49:05] <Splarka>	this is imprecise but the alternatives are: manual! (ugh), or deal with the raw wikicode
[05:49:21] <naught101>	how can I rename meta:book sources?
[05:49:23] <Splarka>	with the raw code you could strip everything inside of {{}}
[05:51:37] <Papageno>	Hmm... well http://evanjones.ca/software/wikipedia2text.html has a script to convert the XML parse trees to plain text it seems
[05:52:55] <Papageno>	I'm having trouble with API. When I use the url you suggested, it returns an HTML that represents the content of the XML I want (i.e. it marks it up so that the HTML is rendered to show XML nicely with colors and stuff instead of just giving me the XML file)
[05:53:41] <Splarka>	which url exactly? I spammed a few
[05:53:52] <Papageno>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&rvprop=content&revids=136337448
[05:54:32] <Papageno>	Haha that's a funny example. Can you guess what I'm trying to do by now? I'm trying to get some statistics about vandalism and I have a list of revision ids of vandalism acts
[05:55:01] <Papageno>	But the statistics I'm trying to extract have to do with simply the raw words
[05:56:05] <Splarka>	mmm WMF error
[05:56:14] <Splarka>	heh
[05:56:36] <Splarka>	Papageno: well, in that case, I'd say take the finalized HTML and strip out all tags
[05:56:36] <Papageno>	?
[05:56:42] <Papageno>	WMF?
[05:56:45] <Splarka>	either leaving the content or stripping it depending on the tag
[05:56:53] <Splarka>	WMF = wikimedia foundation
[05:57:06] <Splarka>	that last link looked something like this the first time I tried itL en.wikipedia.org/wiki/&amp;
[05:58:07] <Papageno>	Oh wow I got a WMF error now too
[05:58:09] <Papageno>	Urgh
[05:58:25] <Papageno>	Ok works now
[05:58:33] <Splarka>	that last one was intentional, &amp; is blocked
[05:58:34] <Splarka>	heh
[05:59:02] <Splarka>	but anyway, you take the rendered output and remove \<[^>*]\>
[05:59:51] <Splarka>	but before that remov things like \<script[.\n]*?\<\/script\>
[06:00:02] <Splarka>	if you just want the raw wordage
[06:00:43] <Splarka>	unless you want the raw code specifically, which does not take into account the transclusion of wordage
[06:00:48] <Papageno>	Ok I checked the documentation. I can just use &format=xml
[06:01:05] <Splarka>	again, that just formats the wrapping
[06:01:07] <Splarka>	not the wikicode
[06:01:15] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r43925 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/specialpages/ (LikedPages_body.php ProblemPages_body.php): Add newline
[06:02:15] <Splarka>	the XML parse tree in the preprocessor is the only thing even close to that
[06:02:17] <Papageno>	Yeah, but my problem just now (intermediate problem only) was when I was querying I got a fancy html page with a fancy html rendering of what the xml file text looked like
[06:07:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) GIF scaling limit should be applied to animated GIFs only - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16451  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[06:34:50] <CIA-60>	03river * r43926 10/trunk/tools/tsutils/watcherd/watcherd.c: match " SLOW_OK " instead of "/* SLOW_OK */"
[06:44:14] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Allow images in galleries to have their own borders - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16457 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Images; (denelson83)
[07:02:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create approved Egyptian Arab Wikipedia [arz] (August 2008) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15013  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[07:05:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create approved Egyptian Arab Wikipedia [arz] (August 2008) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15013  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[07:11:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create approved Egyptian Arab Wikipedia [arz] (August 2008) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15013  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[07:13:02] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r43927 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/Configure.page.php: Spelling...
[07:21:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create approved Egyptian Arab Wikipedia [arz] (August 2008) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15013  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[08:11:08] <RingtailedFox>	hmm. i have an odd error: Fatal error: Cannot redeclare wfsetupimagemap() (previously declared in /home1/mobianle/public_html/wiki/w/extensions/ImageMap/ImageMap.php:23) in /home1/mobianle/public_html/wiki/w/extensions/ImageMap/ImageMap.php on line 26
[08:58:22] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r43928 10/trunk/extensions/ContributionReporting/ContributionReporting.i18n.php: Update message
[09:42:47] <_wooz>	lo
[10:28:46] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r43929 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (53 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-11-25 10:55 CET)
[10:29:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change favicon on de, fr, pl, nl Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16315  (10derbeth)
[10:31:30] <agaran>	how could i add translation for some custom added group (via $wgGroupPermissions['user_it'] = array())?
[10:32:39] <Splarka>	[[MediaWiki:Group-user_it]] [[MediaWiki:Grouppage-user_it]]  I believe
[10:32:53] <Splarka>	and then [[MediaWiki:Group-user_it/xx]] [[MediaWiki:Grouppage-user_it/xx]] per language
[10:33:43] <Splarka>	hmm, and [[MediaWiki:Group-user_it-member]]
[10:33:52] <Splarka>	spaghetti code
[10:34:24] <Splarka>	for example: 'group-user'          => 'Users', 'group-user-member'          => 'User', 'grouppage-user'          => '{{ns:project}}:Users',
[10:34:41] <Splarka>	'group-bureaucrat'    => 'Bureaucrats', 'group-bureaucrat-member'    => 'Bureaucrat','grouppage-bureaucrat'    => '{{ns:project}}:Bureaucrats',
[10:40:14] <agaran>	Splarka: could be that _ in groupname make problem?
[10:41:07] <Splarka>	possibly/probably
[10:41:16] <Splarka>	group names aren't meant to have weird characters
[10:41:19] <Splarka>	try it as a single word
[10:42:06] <Splarka>	(it might be that the underscore makes it impossible for the corresponding page to be found, as the pages can't contain underscores in their titles on the wiki, they have spaces there)
[10:43:40] <agaran>	ok trying to fix
[10:46:03] <Splarka>	although underscore is a valid key, hmm
[10:46:40] <baali>	by any chance, does mediawiki handle self-redirecting pages properly?
[10:47:02] <baali>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptism_of_Jesus is some page which is not loading and is self-redirecting.
[10:47:22] <agaran>	Splarka: even without _ dont work for me:/ probably i have something broken still, but enoidea where
[10:48:04] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r43930 10/trunk/extensions/ (139 files in 112 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-11-25 10:55 CET)
[10:49:38] <agaran>	Splarka: any hints?
[10:51:26] <Splarka>	agaran: well, what are you trying to do exactly?
[10:52:00] <Splarka>	are you trying to translate the group name itself (in code, as the parameter to Special:Log/xxxx), or the group name as it appears in content?
[10:52:20] <agaran>	Splarka: add another group that will have right to edit certain namespace, others could read but not edit, and rights limiting is already working just group name is wrong
[10:53:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "Member of group(s)" in Special:Preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14454  +comment (10siebrand)
[10:54:35] <agaran>	Splarka: for example in userrights it appear as userit not as i like 'it users' or something
[10:55:03] <Splarka>	is the group now called $wgGroupPermissions['userit'] ?
[10:56:01] <agaran>	yes, indeed
[10:56:06] <Splarka>	[[MediaWiki:Group-userit]] => 'it users' [[MediaWiki:Group-userit-member]] => 'it user' [[MediaWiki:Grouppage-userit]] => '{{ns:Project}}:It users'
[10:56:16] <Splarka>	tried that? case sensitive
[10:56:28] <agaran>	no, i think i see problem now :-)
[10:56:45] <Splarka>	k
[10:57:01] <p858snake>	baali: loads fine for me
[10:57:05] <Tha-Fox>	I can't change the main page of the mediawiki. I read the instructions but where is this MediaWiki:Mainpage?
[10:57:28] <Tha-Fox>	I tried localhost/wiki/MediaWiki:Mainpage but it said "you don't have permission"
[10:57:44] <Tha-Fox>	I was logged in as  sysop
[10:58:44] <Splarka>	Tha-Fox: it isn't a file, it is a page on the wiki
[10:59:02] <Splarka>	put MediaWiki:Mainpage in search and hit 'go', or [[MediaWiki:Mainpage]] in edit and hit preview
[10:59:02] <agaran>	Splarka: works fine now, thank you very much
[10:59:05] <Splarka>	np
[11:00:51] <Tha-Fox>	Splarka: when I click "search" it founds nothing
[11:01:01] <Tha-Fox>	in wiki's search
[11:01:15] <Splarka>	click [go]
[11:01:28] <Tha-Fox>	yep. now I got to page where it says "main page"
[11:01:31] <Splarka>	it should say somewhere (if it doesn't exist' "do you want to create this page" or such
[11:01:36] <Tha-Fox>	should I now edit that somehow?
[11:01:50] <Splarka>	hmm
[11:02:08] <Splarka>	it says "main page" in the edit window?
[11:02:17] <Splarka>	and 'Editing MediaWiki:Mainpage' in the page title?
[11:02:21] <Tha-Fox>	hmm
[11:02:29] <Tha-Fox>	this is quite strange :)
[11:02:36] <Splarka>	that's mediawiki for ya
[11:03:02] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Mainpage&action=edit
[11:03:17] <Splarka>	the en.wp main page is defined as 'Main Page', clicking the logo takes you to that title
[11:03:22] <Splarka>	http://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Mainpage&action=edit
[11:03:44] <Splarka>	^another example, french
[11:03:49] <Tha-Fox>	it opened me a page where is "MediaWiki:Mainpage" in the title bar. under that in the text area there is only text: "Main Page". and above the page there is link "create"
[11:03:53] <agaran>	Splarka: so i need HUGE warning for wysiwyg (fceditor) when editing mediawiki namespace.. it append <br> often.. which obviously breaks many things..
[11:04:44] <Splarka>	agaran: what version of mediawiki are you running?
[11:05:07] <agaran>	Splarka: 1.13.2 
[11:05:11] <Tha-Fox>	Splarka: when I clicked "create", I got to that "editing main page" window. Now I'll try to redirect that to authentication-page. thanks a lot! :)
[11:05:29] <Splarka>	hmm, darn, in 1.14 you could create [[MediaWiki:Editnotice-8]] for that
[11:05:49] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r43931 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/Translate.php: wgSpecialPageGroups 'pages' for Translations
[11:05:54] <agaran>	Splarka: how hard would be to upgrade to 1.14?
[11:06:07] <Splarka>	Tha-Fox: you want to be "editing MediaWiki:Mainpage" to repoint the mainpage... hmm..
[11:06:29] <Splarka>	but if you're pointing to an authentication page you probably actually do want Mainpage to point to 'Main page'
[11:06:42] <Tha-Fox>	ok?
[11:06:47] <Splarka>	and have [[Main page]] prominently link to the authentication page (soft redirect)
[11:07:03] <Tha-Fox>	okay, I wasn't aware of that
[11:07:06] <Splarka>	agaran: 1.14 is in development, you'd have to install from svn...
[11:07:13] <Splarka>	!bleedingedge
[11:07:13] --mwbot--	To run trunk see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download_from_SVN (svn address: svn://svn.wikimedia.org/mediawiki/trunk/phase3 ). If slightly less adventurous, see http://tools.wikimedia.de/~vvv/mw-nightly/
[11:07:36] <Splarka>	not advised for any but experienced devs
[11:07:49] <Splarka>	in the mean while... hmm
[11:08:27] <Splarka>	agaran: I am not experienced with fceditor but I assume it is javascript-intensive?
[11:12:44] <agaran>	Splarka: yep
[11:13:10] <Splarka>	k, then just make a JS warning
[11:13:28] <agaran>	Splarka: ok, i will try to upgrade mine home wiki to 1.14 before, now its probably exremally old because it was svn a year ago or something
[11:19:09] <Splarka>	agaran: http://p.defau.lt/?C3N15_B5z9EtqhWLrUeulg
[11:24:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add Pagluluto: namespace to tlwikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16446  (10ryan_james_tamayo_amparo)
[11:25:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add Pagluluto: namespace to tlwikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16446  (10ryan_james_tamayo_amparo)
[11:28:59] <agaran>	Splarka: i think i found bug or a kind of, if some namespace is restricted, it show only first word of name not whole group name (Executing that opeation has been limited to group ...)
[11:29:41] <Splarka>	odd
[11:30:39] <agaran>	i encounter it on polish message so maybe my translation isnt exact
[11:31:26] <agaran>	Splarka: where i should add that code?
[11:33:52] <Splarka>	MediaWiki:Common.js
[11:34:33] <agaran>	is possible that i have it empty?
[11:36:00] <Splarka>	yes
[11:41:13] <agaran>	Splarka: ok, had some problems as rich editor also eats & and produces &amp;, best solution is preference/disable rich edit for namespace, and your warning code is great.
[11:42:24] <Tha-Fox>	Splarka: I can't get the redirect to work. I put 'Special:Userlogin' in MediaWiki:Mainpage after the title. I also tried to put there '#REDIRECT [[Special:Userlogin]]' but no luck.
[11:44:05] <Isakill>	hello
[11:44:19] <Isakill>	I have a question about templates
[11:44:47] <Isakill>	according to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template you create them like any other page
[11:44:57] <Isakill>	what's the format?
[11:45:28] <Isakill>	i've viewed a couple on the wikipedia and don't understand
[11:45:56] <Splarka>	Tha-Fox: right, neither will work as you want, I didn't know you wanted a special: page as your main page
[11:46:17] <Isakill>	mainly I want to create a template like the "template:Adult bio
[11:46:26] <Splarka>	just have something like <span style="font-size:200%;font-weight:bold;">[[Special:Userlogin|LOGIN!]]</span>
[11:46:49] <Tha-Fox>	Splarka: I just want people to go to login page when they come to my wiki
[11:47:25] <Sasa^Stefanovic>	Isakill, did you check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Template
[11:47:27] <Tha-Fox>	after that it's time to restrict viewing and editing for authenticated people only
[11:47:57] <Isakill>	yes.. that's where I eventually found "template:adult bio
[11:48:39] <Isakill>	I've created what that template has in the example on my wiki but all I get is a template loop error
[11:49:13] <Sasa^Stefanovic>	Isakill, is your wili public ? can i get url ?
[11:49:34] <Splarka>	Tha-Fox: well, you can't have MediaWiki:Mainpage point to that login, because Mainpage is used in various situations: for the logo, for bad titles, for returnto after certain actions, etc
[11:49:40] <Isakill>	no.. it's on my network not accesable to the outside
[11:50:36] <Tha-Fox>	Splarka: ok. Maybe I then just restrict the access of non-authenticated users to login and main page
[11:51:30] *Splarka 	nods
[11:51:34] <Splarka>	that's the default whitelist I believe
[11:56:09] <Tha-Fox>	do you mean the whitelist/extension or whitelist in general_
[11:58:49] <Splarka>	I meant $wgWhitelistRead but it appears to be false in defaultsettings
[11:59:02] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgWhitelistRead
[11:59:09] <Splarka>	$wgWhitelistRead = array("Main Page", "Special:Userlogin");   is suggested
[12:01:18] <Tha-Fox>	thanks, that cleared a lot :)
[12:06:56] <Tha-Fox>	oh, it works! you are the (wo)man, Splarka! 
[12:07:07] <Splarka>	!next
[12:07:07] --mwbot--	Another satisfied customer. NEXT!
[12:07:58] <Tha-Fox>	I'll be back, don't worry ;)
[12:08:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Captcha is displayed when user transcludes a template that has an external link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16037  (10N/A)
[12:09:02] *werdnum 	waves
[12:10:01] <Isakill>	I'm reading every help:template page I can find
[12:12:22] <Dr_ST>	hey folks
[12:12:31] <Dr_ST>	just a little *installation* question ...
[12:13:08] <Dr_ST>	i want to add a template to my installation, for the "cite journal" method, as mentioned in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Cite_journal
[12:13:15] <Isakill>	heh
[12:13:28] *Isakill 	is having the same problem
[12:13:39] <Dr_ST>	but i fail to see where i can get the extension for this (i already have installed the Cite extension)
[12:14:04] <Dr_ST>	any idea ? (so far i have not found it out ...)
[12:18:20] <lch>	how can I add a paragraph to an ordered list (#) entry? Do I have to use <br> in the text for that?
[12:18:33] <Isakill>	there's not a lot that confuses me.... this does.  the only other thing that has confounded me like this is installing a geoserver..
[12:19:35] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r43932 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (specialpages/RatingHistory_body.php svggraph/svgGraph.php): Smoothen line and tweak pixel offset
[12:20:25] <Splarka>	lch: you got few choices...
[12:20:37] <Splarka>	you can either use <ol><li> tags manually...
[12:20:44] <Splarka>	or keep it all in one line like:
[12:20:53] <Splarka>	#<p>very long line</p>
[12:21:13] <Splarka>	with <br> wherever you need linebreak
[12:21:33] <Dr_ST>	Isakill: if you find i solution, that'd be cool, for the moment, i only see i'm missing an extension but i'm unable to find which one
[12:21:43] <lch>	hm
[12:21:46] <lch>	thanks, Splarka 
[12:23:34] <Dr_ST>	Isakill: ha, it seems i found the solution -> http://mwusers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9188
[12:27:09] <werdnum>	Aaron|away: when do you sleep?
[12:27:21] <Isakill>	Dr_ST, not exactly what i'm looking for but thanks for the link
[12:28:49] <Dr_ST>	Isakill: you want a formatted citation, right? i think one must adapt to its needs, i'm using zotero and i'll probably tweak the filed i want to display, but i think i have the general idea now
[12:29:14] <Isakill>	No
[12:29:31] <Isakill>	I'm wanting a Bio infobox
[12:29:49] <Isakill>	this is for a personal geneology database
[12:31:22] <Aaron|away>	werdnum: what is this? The Spanish Inquisition?
[12:31:31] <Isakill>	the only example I can give right off hand is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darrell_Abbott  <--- like the box on the right containing his pic and vital statistics
[12:31:41] <werdnum>	AaronSchulz: dude, it's like 4am :P
[12:31:50] <AaronSchulz>	7:30 AM here
[12:31:54] <werdnum>	Then again, I'm just starting work at 11pm.
[12:31:59] <werdnum>	oh, I thought it was earlier there.
[12:32:26] *werdnum 	got distracted writing a CMS for his website today, and so had to make up the work after his gf left.
[12:36:26] <werdnum>	gonna have to stay up until like 2 or 3
[12:38:40] <agaran>	is there simple way that special:users could display link to manage user rights also if browsing person is sysop ?
[12:38:57] <werdnum>	Perhaps not a sysop :)
[12:39:02] <werdnum>	but yes, it is possible, would need code hacks.
[12:39:15] <agaran>	werdnum: beaucrat would be better?
[12:39:18] <Splarka>	<cliche>or javascript</cliche>
[12:39:19] <werdnum>	yeah
[12:39:23] <werdnum>	bureaucrat.
[12:39:26] *werdnum 	stabs Splarka 
[12:39:33] <Splarka>	beau crat, pretty
[12:39:37] <agaran>	werdnum: average php user could do that ?
[12:39:44] <werdnum>	agaran: possibly
[12:40:00] <Splarka>	you might wanna do it in an extension to prevent upgrade conflicts later
[12:40:14] <werdnum>	they need to do way instain mother who kill thier babby cause these babby cant fright back?
[12:40:41] <werdnum>	it was on the news this mroing a mother in ar who had kill her three kids. they are taking the babby back to new york too lady to rest.
[12:40:56] <werdnum>	my pary are with the father, who lost his chrilden. i am truley sorry for your lots.
[12:40:57] <Splarka>	*parse error
[12:40:59] *werdnum 	hides.
[12:41:43] <Splarka>	agaran: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/SpecialListusersFormatRow
[12:44:02] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Sigs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16454  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[12:46:46] <agaran>	Splarka: i just got org scheme which i shall implement in wiki 20+ user groups.. i will regret that i proposed using wiki here..
[12:48:39] <Splarka>	fun
[12:53:05] *werdnum 	grumbles.
[12:59:21] <Isakill>	the more I read thesse templates the more I think they're useless.....   
[13:00:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Expand functionality of Special:nuke on meta to all wiki' s within Wikimedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11069  (10cbrown1023)
[13:11:14] <werdnum>	Isakill: :)
[13:15:36] <Isakill>	yes sir?
[13:15:55] <Isakill>	currently reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_Person
[13:17:41] *werdnum 	sympathises.
[13:18:13] <Isakill>	thank you... but that unfortunately doesn't clear up how this works
[13:18:21] <Isakill>	looks simple
[13:18:35] <Isakill>	but until I figure it out....
[13:21:51] <Isakill>	I've used the empty template.. but i'm getting nothing but a template loop error
[13:22:57] <Isakill>	too bad it won't just make a table in any wikis you make if you use those in ne instead of having to make the teplate
[13:24:53] <Isakill>	bah
[13:25:01] <Isakill>	i'm out of time.. I gtg to work
[13:25:07] <Isakill>	i'll BBL
[13:26:10] <werdnum>	dammit, no ialex.
[13:32:51] <Splarka>	meh, pl.wp splarka exists, has a firm creation date (not 'now' in the old buggy system)
[13:33:05] <Splarka>	but absolutely no log entry for the creation, and not attached to my global account
[13:33:24] <RingtailedFox>	i need to figure out how wikipedia got stubmanager to work with all the other extensions...it keeps fighting with most other extensions, and it's required for syntax highlighting
[13:47:17] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) BUG: search for "wikipedia:=?UTF-8?Q?=E7=BB=B4=E5=9F=BA?=" on all wikimedia site - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16458 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: wikibugs; (shizhao)
[13:48:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) BUG: search for "wikipedia:=?UTF-8?Q?=E7=BB=B4=E5=9F=BA?=" on all wikimedia site - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16458   +crosswiki (10shizhao)
[13:53:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) BUG: search for "wipipedia:=?UTF-8?Q?=E7=BB=B4=E5=9F=BA?=" on all wikimedia site - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16458  summary; +comment (10shizhao)
[13:59:44] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) BUG: search for "wipipedia:=?UTF-8?Q?=E7=BB=B4=E5=9F=BA?=" on all wikimedia site - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16458  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[14:15:07] <RingtailedFox>	werdnum: what should i do to fix my issue?
[14:15:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) texvc: antialiasing makes superscript z look bad - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15777  +comment (10vgaburici)
[14:15:22] <werdnum>	RingtailedFox: which issue?
[14:16:02] <RingtailedFox>	well, i'm trying to install SyntaxHighlight, which requires Geshi and that requires StubManager, but StubManager conflicts with nearly everything (including ParserFunctions)
[14:16:14] <RingtailedFox>	it keeps saying it can't redeclare functions and so on
[14:17:49] <RingtailedFox>	what should i do?
[14:18:57] <RingtailedFox>	i can wait
[14:22:24] <svenk>	RingtailedFox: I have SyntaxHighlight and Geshi without StubManager
[14:22:32] <svenk>	RingtailedFox: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi#Installation
[14:22:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Talk pages of subpages are not moved if the top-level page has no talk page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14369  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[14:24:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Log events occassionally not logged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12129  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[14:25:03] <RingtailedFox>	oki
[14:25:17] <RingtailedFox>	yeah, the installation confused me
[14:25:37] <RingtailedFox>	(Note: You need both - the mediawiki plugin files and the geshi files from sourceforge to make it work!)
[14:25:53] <RingtailedFox>	that line in particular.
[14:27:20] <svenk>	that means you have to do both steps described there
[14:27:28] <RingtailedFox>	ok
[14:27:39] <RingtailedFox>	since those steps confused me, can you guys walk me through it?
[14:29:10] <svenk>	you only need to execute the commands shown there
[14:29:21] <RingtailedFox>	alright
[14:33:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) texvc: antialiasing makes superscript z look bad - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15777  (10vgaburici)
[14:34:47] <Belegnar>	helo
[14:35:33] <uzbek>	hi everybody
[14:36:12] <uzbek>	i have installed English mediawiki. Can i change the language without re-installing?
[14:36:47] <RingtailedFox>	i doubt you can, uzbek, but i'm not sure
[14:37:13] <RingtailedFox>	having modular language packs taht can be installed and configured like extensions would certainly be nice
[14:37:52] <uzbek>	RingtailedFox, ok, thanx!
[14:38:04] <RingtailedFox>	you're welcome
[14:43:47] <RingtailedFox>	well, installing it worked
[14:44:32] <uzbek>	Can i automatically publish new articles to Main_page?
[14:44:54] <anotherLegend>	Hello
[14:44:57] <RingtailedFox>	sure, thuogh i'm relatively new to mediawiki as well, and i'm not entirely sure how everythign works
[14:44:59] <RingtailedFox>	hiya, anotherlegend
[14:45:17] <uzbek>	i.e. new arlicle names appears in main page
[14:45:18] <anotherLegend>	I got a very quick qustion, How do you change the default 200 pages on one page of a category
[14:45:35] <anotherLegend>	as in.. How do you make one page of the category like 500, so you dont got a link with next page
[14:45:41] <piero>	Hi! Long time I wasnt on this channel! ^^
[14:45:46] <piero>	quick question
[14:46:03] <piero>	which extension allows to put a box on the main page that shows a list of the latest articles?
[14:46:11] *werdnum 	git svn dcommit
[14:46:20] <anotherLegend>	last new or last edited?
[14:46:28] <piero>	last new
[14:46:40] <anotherLegend>	pheew, wait I believe I know that
[14:46:41] <piero>	i guess i would like to look at last edited as well
[14:46:53] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r43933 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/Configure.handler-db.php: Fix DB handler to be engine-independent (i.e. use $dbw->timestamp instead of assuming MW's hacky system applies on all databases)
[14:47:01] <piero>	and i would like to get box that throws a random article everytime
[14:47:18] <piero>	as well ^^
[14:47:51] <piero>	Simetrical should know that
[14:47:53] <piero>	^^
[14:48:11] <anotherLegend>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AutoWatch
[14:48:14] <anotherLegend>	the one I got installed
[14:48:22] <piero>	thx
[14:48:28] <Simetrical>	piero, {{Special:Newpages}} might do it.
[14:48:41] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r43934 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (11 files): (log message trimmed)
[14:48:41] <CIA-60>	Configure extension updates:
[14:48:41] <CIA-60>	* Make the presence of a diff more obvious (it's currently tucked away at Special:ViewConfig) by linking to the diffs for recent changes.
[14:48:41] <CIA-60>	* Introduce DB fields for summary, user name, and user wiki.
[14:48:41] <CIA-60>	* Display links for the user who made each config change, for great accountability (and hence great justice!).
[14:48:46] <CIA-60>	* Fix up some grammar in messages.
[14:48:48] <CIA-60>	Loose ends from this commit:
[14:48:51] <piero>	hehe thx ;)
[14:49:17] <anotherLegend>	does anyone know howto do that category index from 200 listed pages to any other number?
[14:49:42] <p858snake>	if you go to the extension table/matric theres one there for random ages
[14:50:15] <p858snake>	oh you want new pages
[14:53:11] <piero>	Do you know if there's a manual for {{Special:Newpages}}, as this one alone shows too many articles and too many details about it, i only want a list of the 10 last articles and just their names
[14:53:15] *werdnum 	is king of long commit messages.
[14:53:20] <piero>	Simetrical
[14:53:42] <Simetrical>	piero, I don't think it's very configurable, sorry.
[14:54:01] <anotherLegend>	simetrical, you seem like a professional
[14:54:04] <p858snake>	try seeing if {{Special:Newpages|10}} does anything
[14:54:23] <anotherLegend>	Maybe do you know how to let a category show 500 pages, instead of the usual 200 until a next category page appears?
[14:54:25] <Simetrical>	p858snake, that won't work.  {{Special:Newpage/10}} might, possibly.
[14:54:34] <Simetrical>	anotherLegend, I think that's hardcoded in CategoryPage.php.
[14:54:54] <anotherLegend>	okay, thats a clue, Ill go and try find it :D
[14:55:00] <Simetrical>	Hmm, seems not.
[14:55:44] <Simetrical>	!wg CategoryPagingLimit | anotherLegend 
[14:55:44] --mwbot--	anotherLegend: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgCategoryPagingLimit
[14:56:47] <anotherLegend>	:D
[14:56:59] <anotherLegend>	that I did not see when searching, thanks very much
[14:57:34] <werdnum>	Man, I could barely focus at all during the day, but once I started work at 11pm, I got two hours of very solid work done.
[14:58:31] <anotherLegend>	Yup it worked Simetrical, thanks again
[14:59:08] <piero>	hmmm
[14:59:14] <yksinaisyyteni>	Qt is ridiculously easy to use
[14:59:26] <yksinaisyyteni>	this morning i knew no Qt, and now i write a telnet client :)
[15:00:26] <piero>	Simetrical the /10 worked, but still there's too many details... I cant believe there is no extension that does this. create a box with the last 5 or 10 articles titles written!?
[15:00:42] <piero>	i mean i will code it if there isnt
[15:00:46] <piero>	but im surprised
[15:01:33] <Simetrical>	piero, I'm sure there's an extension, but I don't really know anything about extensions.
[15:02:21] <werdnum>	piero: {{Special:Newpages}}?
[15:02:38] <piero>	yeah thats what Simetrical gave me already
[15:02:42] <piero>	it works
[15:02:47] <piero>	but its too detailed
[15:02:57] <piero>	i just want the articles titles
[15:03:04] <piero>	and that gives me everything
[15:03:08] <werdnum>	oic.
[15:03:14] *werdnum 	shrugs.
[15:03:22] <werdnum>	You can easily write your own ParserFunction to do the magick.
[15:03:32] <piero>	i will just make a quick extension, its just a sql query
[15:03:50] <werdnum>	yeah
[15:03:56] <werdnum>	I should sleep, tis 2am.
[15:03:57] <werdnum>	nn all
[15:04:01] <piero>	bb
[15:06:17] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r43935 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/Configure.i18n.php: Update renamed message
[15:10:07] <uzbek>	where can i add a style for a particular table. e.g. i'd like to use 'custom-table' class for my tables and add for it css. Where can i do that?
[15:10:11] <uzbek>	or how?
[15:21:18] <Platonides>	uzbek, MediaWiki:Common.css
[15:26:09] <uzbek>	thanx Platonides
[15:43:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  +comment (10mrzmanwiki)
[15:50:39] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enable FlaggedRevs custom configuration on Hungarian Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15568  +comment (10rhalsell)
[15:59:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable FlaggedRevs custom configuration on Hungarian Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15568  +comment (10samat78)
[16:30:45] <gegemaw>	I am trying to see if it is possible to pull a dynamic list of popular pages (Special:PopularPages) and get them listed on a section on the main page (without having to follow a link [[Special:PopularPages]]
[16:31:32] <yksinaisyyteni>	gegemaw: you can try {{Special:PopularPages}}
[16:31:42] <yksinaisyyteni>	you might need to enable special page transclusion, i don't remember what the default is
[16:35:45] <gegemaw>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Special_page#Transclusion jus assumes special pages can be transcluded and does not give a setting to changer
[16:35:57] <yksinaisyyteni>	it's probably on by default then
[16:36:28] <gegemaw>	yksinaisyyteni: I just tried {{Special:PopularPages/10}} and that did not work
[16:40:33] <gegemaw>	Looks like only Recentchanges, Newpages and Newimages can be transcluded?
[16:46:29] <Simetrical>	gegemaw, any IncludableSpecialPage can.
[16:47:14] <Simetrical>	AllPages and descendants, NewImages and descendants, WantedPages and descendants seem to be the ones in core.
[16:48:10] <CoNfUsO>	Hello i have installed a Wiki and i have only problem. The link string on my site are wiki/index.php/Pagina_principale and on officiale site are wiki/MediaWiki .... whats the problem?
[16:48:42] <CoNfUsO>	how to remove a index.php?
[16:49:30] <gegemaw>	Simetrical: is there a $wgIncludableSpecialPage type of setting that can be expanded then?
[16:49:41] <Simetrical>	No.
[16:49:52] <Simetrical>	You have to hack the source code, and it might not work as intended anyway.
[16:49:58] <Simetrical>	!shorturl | CoNfUsO 
[16:49:58] --mwbot--	CoNfUsO: To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL>. There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem
[16:49:59] <gegemaw>	cool... thanks for looking into it though ;)
[16:52:24] <P0lygl0t>	hi, is there a way to know when I have a message in another mediawiki project?
[16:52:40] <P0lygl0t>	than the one I'm currently working in?
[16:53:27] <Wuzur>	P0lygl0t: You can enable mail, this is the only possibility I can think of
[16:54:27] <P0lygl0t>	Wuzur: thanks, for the moment my mailbox is on another PC though
[16:54:41] <P0lygl0t>	but at least it will mean I won't miss any messages
[16:55:13] <Wuzur>	Or you can have a second inbox at a freemailer and let the mails to that
[16:55:44] <P0lygl0t>	true, but I don't think it's that time critical, as long as I know that I had a message
[16:56:03] <P0lygl0t>	so email is fine, odd that I didn't think of it
[16:56:36] <yksinaisyyteni>	you could use an RSS reader and add the history feed from your talk page
[16:56:38] <P0lygl0t>	Of course, if it had been a possibility that only had to be switched on somewhere, then that would have been even nicer
[16:56:51] <P0lygl0t>	true
[16:57:02] <P0lygl0t>	yksinaisyyteni: smart people in here
[16:57:29] <P0lygl0t>	yksinaisyyteni: your nick makes me wonder where you're from
[16:57:33] <P0lygl0t>	iceland, finland?
[16:57:38] <Wuzur>	:D
[16:57:40] <yksinaisyyteni>	.uk
[16:57:52] <P0lygl0t>	yksinaisyyteni: oh
[16:58:32] *P0lygl0t 	is a bit surprised
[17:59:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Expand functionality of Special:nuke on meta to all wiki' s within Wikimedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11069  (10mikelifeguard)
[18:02:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Talk pages of subpages are not moved if the top-level page has no talk page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14369  (10mikelifeguard)
[18:07:35] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) user native getElementsByClassName - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16459 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (hartman)
[18:15:07] <MichaelXX2>	woah
[18:15:17] <MichaelXX2>	looky at everyone here
[18:20:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change favicon on de, fr, pl, nl Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16315  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[18:20:54] <MZMcBride>	Simetrical: Know of anybody I could harass to resolve https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16335 ?
[18:28:19] <AaronSchulz>	brion: so rumor on the street is that you can bake
[18:28:36] <brion>	i'll DCC you a slice of pie
[18:28:53] <AaronSchulz>	hmm, I think I disabled that feature :p
[18:29:41] *tomaszf 	confirms the rumor of the fabled pie
[19:00:19] <CIA-9>	03aaron * r43939 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.php: Lower READER_FEEDBACK_SIZE
[19:00:34] *ialex 	pokes CIA-9
[19:01:33] <Mathieu1>	hi all!
[19:07:09] <Mathieu1>	Is there a way to put my wiki in private beta, so that only users that I allow can access the wiki?
[19:13:30] <ialex>	Mathieu1: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access
[19:15:43] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) "Article" is used where the contents of MediaWiki: Article should be used instead - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16455  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[19:21:31] <CIA-9>	03vrandezo * r43940 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_QueryProcessor.php: Some notifications for unset variables
[19:22:56] <Mathieu1>	ialex: thank you!
[19:23:20] <ialex>	you're welcome
[19:38:35] <CIA-9>	03brion * r43941 10/trunk/phase3/languages/Language.php: Let's try limiting the language object cache... see if that fixes our problem with centralnotice all-languages preview running out of ram
[19:58:02] <CIA-9>	03tomasz * r43942 10/trunk/extensions/CentralNotice/SpecialNoticeTemplate.php: marking any mediawiki namespace changes for central notice as bots to reduce noise
[20:00:24] <Mike||busy>	tomaszf: That is a good call. Thanks a buch :)
[20:02:01] <^demon>	brion: I followed up on bug 16451, might have found a way to detect if a gif image is animated.
[20:03:13] <brion>	whee
[20:03:23] <Anne>	Hey - any automation test scripts available for download?
[20:04:08] <Mike||busy>	Anne: What kind of "automation test scripts" do you mean?
[20:04:15] <Anne>	java/junit/selenium
[20:04:39] *Mike||busy 	looks around the channel for help
[20:04:49] <Anne>	or anything else you may have available (Mike||busy)
[20:05:20] <Mike||busy>	well, I still don't understand what you want it to do. what /is/ an automation test script? :)
[20:05:33] <Anne>	for qa testing of MediaWiki
[20:05:45] <Mike||busy>	oh, I have no idea then :D
[20:05:49] <Anne>	test scripts that run automatically
[20:05:54] <Anne>	via Selenium or some other tool
[20:05:58] <Anne>	okay - thanks
[20:06:10] <^demon>	Anne: There's no automatic tests, but there are a few.
[20:06:36] <Anne>	manual test cases you mean? 
[20:06:49] <Anne>	^demon^^
[20:07:07] <^demon>	You manually run them, but they'll give you standard output of pass/fail per test.
[20:07:28] <Anne>	okay - do you have a link?
[20:08:10] <^demon>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/tests/
[20:08:24] <Anne>	good deal - thanks a lot!
[20:08:41] <^demon>	Dunno which ones work/dont work at the moment, they don't get updated often.
[20:09:00] <^demon>	So take your results with a grain of salt, but you're welcome :)
[20:09:02] <Anne>	okay - I'll look them over :-)
[20:26:20] <nicolas___>	bonjour j'ai installé wikimedia à l'adresse suivante : http://www.wikitheorie.com
[20:26:40] <nicolas___>	et en fait mon soucis c'est pour que google référence les sous parties du site
[20:27:00] <nicolas___>	car j'ai l'impression qu'il n'a référencé "page aux hasard"
[20:27:09] <nicolas___>	y'a t'il une astuce
[20:27:10] <Norsys>	Hi!
[20:27:12] <nicolas___>	merci
[20:27:13] <nicolas___>	hi
[20:27:17] <Norsys>	Hi nicolas___ 
[20:27:24] <nicolas___>	lol
[20:27:51] <nicolas___>	no one speak french?
[20:28:03] <Norsys>	No :P
[20:28:07] <nicolas___>	if so i'll ask my question in english
[20:28:09] <nicolas___>	ok
[20:28:45] <nicolas___>	i have installed a wikimedia at  http://www.wikitheorie.com
[20:28:59] <nicolas___>	but my pb is on french google
[20:29:16] <nicolas___>	google takes seems to have take only
[20:29:35] <nicolas___>	random article
[20:29:46] <nicolas___>	but i'd like it to take all sub articles
[20:29:58] <nicolas___>	is there something to do?
[20:30:04] <nicolas___>	thank you
[20:30:58] <nicolas___>	i hope it's the good irc channel to that question?
[20:36:10] <sancus>	Hi I've been trying to find a howto on setting up adsense in the mediawiki 1.13.2, monobook.php template. But I'm not having any luck, could anyone help? I would prefer not to use extensions.
[20:39:18] <CIA-9>	03demon * r43943 10/trunk/phase3/tests/MediaWiki_TestCase.php: As brought up in bug 16374, the parserTests seem to only want parsertest_ as the dbprefix. If we're going to do that, lets make the PHPUnit tests consistent and use the same test prefix.
[20:39:38] <S-i-A>	can install wiki in wiki directory, and put the index.php and .htaccess file in root directory?
[20:39:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) parserTests.php always assumes $wgDBprefix is 'parsertest_' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16374  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[20:40:11] <Norsys>	sancus, You can insert your adsense code in monobook.php. What is the problem?
[20:41:33] <S-i-A>	can i that?
[20:42:29] <Norsys>	S-i-A... I think that you can do it... but the best way to know it is trying :)
[20:42:32] <S-i-A>	because in install wiki yet in Wiki/ directory but i will have Wiki in root directory without move the files , just with index.php and .htaccess?
[20:44:54] <S-i-A>	and will before user can write article or edit it, must first be approved from GeneralAdmin.
[20:45:45] <sancus>	Norsys, Trying to get it to NOT appear on edit pages.
[20:48:34] <^demon>	Don't put it directly in Monobook.php, it will get lost next time you upgrade
[20:48:37] <^demon>	!adsense
[20:48:37] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GoogleAdSense
[20:48:56] <Norsys>	sancus, ah, ok. For me, in my wiki, appearing Adsense in edit pages isn't a problem.
[20:50:03] <CoNfUsO>	Im add width to class p-logo and the logo are visible and upon the navigationbox, how to add a px a class generated-sidebar ?
[20:51:37] <^demon>	find the class name of the sidebar in view source?
[20:52:14] <^demon>	.generated-sidebar portlet { border: 1px; }
[20:52:46] <^demon>	Rather, that's two classes.
[20:52:53] <^demon>	.generated-sidebar and .portlet
[20:54:00] <CoNfUsO>	where style?
[20:54:17] <CoNfUsO>	im have a default stile a monobook
[20:55:10] <CoNfUsO>	i have not found a generated-sidebar
[20:55:37] <^demon>	I dunno, its on my monobook. What version do you have? It might have been added more recently?
[20:55:42] <S-i-A>	any idea? :)
[20:56:34] <CoNfUsO>	last version
[20:56:38] <Norsys>	I would like to upgrade my MediaWiki from 1.6.3 to 1.13.2 version. I've just tried to do it in my local PC. I've downloaded the 1.13.2 version, unpacked it and copies the new file in my current wiki directory. The, I've run update.php by shell. After it, when I open my Wiki homepage, I have this error: Fatal error: Call to undefined function wfProfileIn() in /var/www/includes/Setup.php on line 22
[20:56:46] <CoNfUsO>	im installed today
[20:57:09] <Norsys>	I've googled but I didn't find any solutions. 
[20:57:10] <Norsys>	:|
[20:57:43] <CIA-9>	03siebrand * r43944 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/specials/SpecialMovepage.php): Sub pages get a redirect on move, even when "Leave a redirect behind" is checked. Fixed.
[20:57:54] <Norsys>	no one know what I can do?
[20:59:14] <Mathieu1>	Norsys: do you use godaddy by any chance?
[21:00:01] <CIA-9>	03ialex * r43945 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_GlobalFunctions.php: Added ParserTestTables hook so that parser tests don't break parser tests when this extension is enabled
[21:00:42] <ialex>	-parser tests
[21:00:43] <CIA-9>	03siebrand * r43946 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: Fix RELEASE-NOTES for r43944.
[21:00:48] *ialex 	hides
[21:01:46] <Norsys>	Mathieu1, godaddy.com? No, I'm not using godaddy
[21:03:04] <Mathieu1>	Norsys: here http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading
[21:04:27] <CoNfUsO>	how to modify the generated-sidebar class?
[21:06:08] <siebrand>	!sidebar 
[21:06:08] --mwbot--	To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar>.
[21:06:39] <CoNfUsO>	Thanks siebrand
[21:14:45] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Allow extension folder other than $IP/extensions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16460 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Configure; (siebrand)
[21:25:24] <CIA-9>	03siebrand * r43947 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Remove duplicate $uw using 'unreviewed-watched'
[21:30:35] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Allow extension folder other than $IP/extensions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16460  +comment (10siebrand)
[21:31:28] <Norsys>	Mathieu1, mmh.. perhaps I found a thing that I could wrong. Tomorrow I will retry to do the upgrade and I will tell you the result :)
[21:33:39] <S-i-A>	!  LocalSettings.php
[21:33:55] <S-i-A>	! LocalSettings.php
[21:34:00] <Reedy>	!LocalSettings
[21:34:00] --mwbot--	All configuration is done in LocalSettings.php (near the end of the file). Editing other files means modifying the software. Default settings are not in LocalSettings.php, you can look in DefaultSettings.php. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_MediaWiki>, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:LocalSettings.php>, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Config_script>, and <http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf>
[21:34:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow extension folder other than $IP/extensions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16460  (10brion)
[21:36:56] <Mathieu1>	does anyone know a good freeware to create a .htaccess file?
[21:37:05] <YameteKudasai>	notepad
[21:37:11] <YameteKudasai>	xD
[21:37:16] <YameteKudasai>	hi
[21:37:19] <S-i-A>	anyone can answer me :)'
[21:37:43] <Duesentrieb>	Mathieu1: indeed, what YameteKudasai said: any text editor. 
[21:38:18] <S-i-A>	i 've install wiki yet in Wiki/ directory but i will have Wiki in root directory without move the files , just with index.php and .htaccess?
[21:38:42] <S-i-A>	is that possible?
[21:39:32] <Mathieu1>	Duesentrieb: windows notepad leaves junk in the file
[21:40:35] <Reedy>	notepad++ ?
[21:41:12] <Duesentrieb>	Mathieu1: junk? like what? well, it'll use windows linebreaks, but it'd think apache doesn't care. and if saving as utf-8, it may add a BOM... no idea if apache would choke on that. anyway notepad sucks. so, ok: any *decent* text editor.
[21:41:16] <Duesentrieb>	!bom
[21:41:16] --mwbot--	The byte-order mark (BOM) is a special character added to files by some text editors, most notably, by Notepad. It is unnecessary and breaks PHP code. You should not use Notepad to edit PHP files. Alternatives for Windows include Notepad++, SciTE, EditPlus, and UltraEdit. 
[21:41:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow extension folder other than $IP/extensions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16460  (10alex.emsenhuber)
[21:42:13] <Duesentrieb>	S-i-A: possible, but not recommended.
[21:42:33] <Duesentrieb>	S-i-A: the files should really be in a subdirectory, *especially* if you want to use pretty urls.
[21:42:42] <Duesentrieb>	!shorturls | S-i-A
[21:42:42] --mwbot--	S-i-A: To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL>. There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem
[21:42:51] <Duesentrieb>	!rewriteproblems | S-i-A
[21:42:51] --mwbot--	S-i-A: 1) Try <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/wiki/Page_title_--_no_root_access> as a fail-safe method; 2) Do not put the files into the document root; 3) Do not map the pages into the document root; 4) Use different, non-overlapping paths for real files and virtual pages; 5) Do not set a RewriteBase; 6) Put all rules into the .htaccess file in the document root.
[21:43:11] <S-i-A>	Duesentrieb: aha ok thanks
[21:43:17] <Mathieu1>	Duesentrieb: yeah. BOMs could be an issue
[21:44:22] <S-i-A>	Reedy: go in Format>>UTF-8 without BOM
[21:44:46] *Reedy 	just suggested notepad++
[21:44:51] <Duesentrieb>	http://marc.info/?l=apache-httpd-bugs&m=117248065430005&w=2
[21:45:12] <S-i-A>	Duesentrieb: can approve user before can edit or write page?
[21:45:20] <Duesentrieb>	!access | S-i-A
[21:45:20] --mwbot--	S-i-A: For information on customizing user access, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights>. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access>.
[21:45:28] <Duesentrieb>	!cms | S-i-A
[21:45:28] --mwbot--	S-i-A: Wikis are designed for openness, to be readable and editable by all. If you want a forum, a blog, a web authoring toolkit or corporate content management system, perhaps don't use wiki software. There is a nice overview of free tools available at <http://www.opensourcecms.com/> including the possibility to try each system. For was to restrict access in MediaWiki, see !access.
[21:46:42] <S-i-A>	Duesentrieb: yes i know wiki is designed for oppenes but SPAM person let me set some Option :)
[21:46:53] <Duesentrieb>	!spam | S-i-A
[21:46:53] --mwbot--	S-i-A: For information about combating and handling spam in MediaWiki, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Combating_spam> and <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Anti-spam_Features>.
[21:46:57] *Duesentrieb 	is in bot mode
[21:47:34] <S-i-A>	ok
[21:47:49] <Duesentrieb>	S-i-A: the SpamBlackliste extension combined with the ConfirmEdit extension works pretty well.
[21:49:04] <CIA-9>	03yaron * r43948 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_GlobalFunctions.php: Namespaces are only defined if they haven't already been defined in SMW
[21:50:11] <cirwin>	is this still a bug: http://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Bad_title&action=edit
[21:50:22] <S-i-A>	Duesentrieb: i will register the users self and send him manually the Name and Password. if disable user registration i can't no more in registration proses
[21:51:49] <S-i-A>	and will enable syntaxhighlighting.
[21:53:18] <CIA-9>	03vrandezo * r43950 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/README: fixed link
[21:53:43] <CIA-9>	03vrandezo * r43951 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_DV_Time.php: Fixed a possibly empty value.
[21:59:08] <CIA-9>	03yaron * r43952 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticCompoundQueries/ (5 files): New extension
[22:00:34] <S-i-A>	can i allow the Admin create account?
[22:00:44] <CIA-9>	03ialex * r43953 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/Configure.i18n.php: radio button have mysteriously disappearded :P
[22:01:28] <CIA-9>	03ialex * r43954 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/SpecialViewConfig.php: oops, missing file in last commit
[22:01:37] <Mathieu1>	I have a big  problem programming Short URLs. I think it might be because I have sub domains, what do you think? Here's what's in my localsettings http://rafb.net/p/ezhsKn32.html and here's what's in the root folder of the website http://rafb.net/p/Ka10dx35.html
[22:03:40] <Skizzerz>	hey brion, there's this thread on mwusers saying that mediawiki is segfaulting, and I was wondering what might be the cause of it
[22:03:56] <brion>	Skizzerz: PHP may segfault :)
[22:04:05] <ialex>	xD
[22:04:13] <Skizzerz>	well... yeah
[22:04:14] <Skizzerz>	:P
[22:04:19] <brion>	typical causes: 1) PHP bugs, 2) infinite recursion in PHP code (which is imho a PHP bug that it segfaults instead of exceptioning out)
[22:04:38] <ialex>	P( "PHP segfaults" ) -> 1
[22:05:15] <S-i-A>	how can create groupe user just from this group can edit or remove or Write?
[22:05:31] <ialex>	!man Preventing_access
[22:05:31] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access
[22:06:12] <Skizzerz>	the user in question posted the respective debug log and the last thing on there before it terminated was BitmapHandler::doTransform()... so perhaps it's something that calls that and gets some invalid return? idk
[22:06:14] <Mathieu1>	regarding my Short URLs problem.. it displays: The requested URL /wiki/Main_Page was not found on this server.
[22:13:09] <Mathieu1>	any pro who knows how to fix short URLs in a subdomain website, like. en.example.com?
[22:13:44] <Mathieu1>	Reedy: thanks. i'll use that now
[22:19:31] <Norsys>	Mathieu1, mmh, I don't understand your problem.
[22:22:15] <S-i-A>	can i block user to edit Main_page and menu and about us..etc?
[22:23:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10billclark)
[22:24:06] <Mathieu1>	Norsys: Thank!  So I have a website with several subdomains, like en.example.com, fr.example.com, etc. There's a wiki installed inside each of these subdomains, en.example.com/w and fr.example.com/w  etc.  Do you know where should the .htaccess file be?
[22:26:50] <S-i-A>	any idea?
[22:26:52] <Mathieu1>	Norsys: Here's what I get when I try en.example.com/w : The requested URL /wiki/Main_Page was not found on this server.
[22:28:24] <Reedy>	S-i-A, fully protect them
[22:28:37] <S-i-A>	waht?
[22:28:45] <Mathieu1>	 S-i-A: try this  http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access#Restrict_viewing_of_all_pages
[22:29:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10masem01)
[22:29:53] <Norsys>	Mathieu1, imho the .htaccess must be in every dir of the different wiki
[22:30:04] <S-i-A>	ok thanks Mathieu1 + Reedy 
[22:30:28] <Mathieu1>	S-i-A: wait there might be something more appropriate
[22:30:34] <S-i-A>	can i allow user just edit his Article not from another person?
[22:30:37] <Norsys>	Mathieu1, about your error... can you see the logs of webserver?
[22:31:31] <Mathieu1>	Norsys: I can access everything, in theory. Don't know if I know how to do that...
[22:33:03] <Norsys>	Mathieu1, if you can see the webserver's logs, you know the dir where webserver try to access and then why get the error
[22:33:18] <Mathieu1>	S-i-A: there you go http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access#Restrict_editing_by_a_particular_user
[22:33:22] <Norsys>	probabilly you must setup the Home/Root dir of every wiki
[22:33:40] <Norsys>	Mathieu1, the error is: The requested URL /wiki/Main_Page was not found on this server. Correct?
[22:33:50] <Norsys>	ok... why it going into /wiki dir?
[22:34:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10l8qjvx002)
[22:35:11] <werdnum>	morning all.
[22:35:29] <Mathieu1>	Norsys: yes
[22:36:23] <Norsys>	morning?
[22:36:28] <Norsys>	Tue Nov 25 23:38:02 CET 2008
[22:36:29] <Norsys>	:)
[22:37:17] <Mathieu1>	Norsys: it's going into the /wiki dir because I'd like my urls to show as .com/wiki/Main_Page
[22:37:47] <Norsys>	ok.. but what happen if you open .com/wiki/ only?
[22:37:56] <Mathieu1>	there's no such file
[22:38:22] <S-i-A>	Mathieu1: that is not wht i mean, i mean user can write page end edit his page no more.
[22:38:42] <Norsys>	are you sure? It means that in /wiki dir there isn't index.php
[22:39:08] <Mathieu1>	no, really. this file doesn't exist. it says not to create it. "Do not create this virtual directory and it should not exist in the web root folder!"
[22:40:07] <S-i-A>	hwo can add user to groupe ?
[22:40:47] <Mathieu1>	S-i-A: are you french?
[22:41:00] <S-i-A>	no
[22:41:17] <Mathieu1>	where is "groupe" coming from? Spain?
[22:42:16] <S-i-A>	ok how can add user to some group or create group?
[22:42:23] <Norsys>	lol
[22:42:32] <Mathieu1>	Norsys: should i create this /wiki folder?
[22:42:55] <S-i-A>	any idea?
[22:43:13] <S-i-A>	how can create group and add user to this group?
[22:43:29] <Norsys>	Mathieu1, sorry but I don't understand your last phrase. Every wiki must have its index.php page and if your URLs contains /wiki... imho /wiki dir must exist
[22:46:16] <Mathieu1>	S-i-A: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights_management
[22:52:18] <Mathieu1>	Norsys: I know and that makes sense. I do have a index.php file in my root dir and also one iin every /w folders (en/w/index.php, and fr/w/index.php, etc.) I'm follow those steps http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/wiki/Page_title_--_no_root_access
[22:52:57] <S-i-A>	Mathieu1: that is not what i mean thanks
[22:53:46] <CIA-9>	03yaron * r43955 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_GlobalFunctions.php: Oops - fixed silly bug
[22:54:23] <Norsys>	Mathieu1, sorry but now I must go out. I will here again tomorrow. We will speak about it tomorrow.. do you agree?
[22:54:36] <S-i-A>	for example user= Test and i will add this Test user to some groupe. my question is how can i create group like Authors adn add Test to this Group Authors
[22:55:02] <Mathieu1>	no problem. I'll bug  werdnum in the mean time
[22:55:27] <Mathieu1>	Norsys: thanks for your time
[22:56:52] <CIA-9>	03yaron * r43956 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticCompoundQueries/ (SCQ_QueryProcessor.php SCQ_Settings.php): Small fixes
[22:57:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10smccandlish)
[22:57:34] <werdnum>	Mathieu1: eeee!
[22:58:00] <Mathieu1>	werdnum: here I am again, with the same problem :(
[22:58:53] <Mathieu1>	perseverance is key
[22:59:45] <theocrite>	Hi
[22:59:57] <Mathieu1>	hi!
[23:00:01] <Norsys>	ok Mathieu1, see you
[23:00:10] <Mathieu1>	ciao!
[23:00:32] <theocrite>	Does anyone know why my wiki/api.php doesn't list 'edit' and other actions ?
[23:01:00] <S-i-A>	yet have create this groupe '$wgGroupPermissions['mygroup' ]['edit'] = true;'
[23:01:04] <S-i-A>	mygroup
[23:01:05] <Mathieu1>	 Here's what's in my localsettings http://rafb.net/p/ezhsKn32.html and here's what's in the root folder of the website http://rafb.net/p/Ka10dx35.html   nothing weird so far, right?
[23:01:24] <S-i-A>	and now i will add Testuser to mygroup?
[23:01:36] <S-i-A>	and idea how can add that?
[23:01:39] <Mathieu1>	and here's what I get: "The requested URL /wiki/Main_Page was not found on this server."
[23:02:25] <Mathieu1>	I haven't created the /wiki dir because it says not to do so.
[23:03:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10mrzmanwiki)
[23:04:55] <Mathieu1>	any clue how to solve this? perhaps an Alias ?
[23:05:34] <Duesentrieb>	Mathieu1: using an alias instead of rewrite rules is possible. but if rewriting has no effect, it seems likely that an alias wouldn't have either.
[23:06:02] <Duesentrieb>	Mathieu1: what exactly do you mean by "this code is located in /"? what is the file called, exactly? and which directory is it in?
[23:07:26] <theocrite>	Nevermind I found why it didn't work.
[23:07:32] <theocrite>	( 1.12 )
[23:09:27] <Mathieu1>	Duesentrieb: That might help.  http://twitpic.com/o1ko
[23:10:23] <Duesentrieb>	Mathieu1: if / is the document root for the domain in question, then it looks ok.
[23:10:35] <Mathieu1>	it is.
[23:10:45] <Duesentrieb>	then i have no clue
[23:11:25] <Mathieu1>	lol
[23:11:30] <Mathieu1>	argh!
[23:12:29] <S-i-A>	I want a group such as MyGroup create and allow this group to write and edit.
[23:12:29] <S-i-A>	then used a new example Markus MyGroup to add so he can write and edit, otherwise Makus among user and nothing can write or edit.
[23:12:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add magic word __NONEWSECTIONLINK__ - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16335   +easy (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[23:12:49] <S-i-A>	that is my question, ^^
[23:14:01] <Mathieu1>	Duesentrieb: a file named /en/w/index.php should load as http://en.domain.com/w/index.php, right?
[23:14:17] <Duesentrieb>	huh? no.
[23:14:50] <Duesentrieb>	if youset up subdomains for each of those directories. but then these directories should themselves not be located in a web.accessible directory
[23:15:11] <Duesentrieb>	if the same dir is accessible from different fomains with different pathes, confusion is inevitable. especially if you use rewriting.
[23:15:12] <Mathieu1>	because that's how they are right now. http://twitpic.com/o1ko
[23:15:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) user native getElementsByClassName - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16459  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[23:15:27] <Mathieu1>	oh god!
[23:16:31] <Duesentrieb>	set up each domain separately. or set the all up to point to the same dir. but don't try to mix
[23:16:38] <Duesentrieb>	!wikifamily
[23:16:38] --mwbot--	To run multiple wikis, you can simply install MediaWiki in different folders, with different databases or in one with database prefixes. You can also have multiple wikis using a single installation: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_family> and <http://booleandreams.wordpress.com/2007/06/12/running-multiple-instance-of-mediawiki-on-the-same-server-using-the-same-source-code/>.
[23:16:53] <CIA-9>	03brion * r43957 10/trunk/extensions/CentralNotice/SpecialNoticeText.php: 
[23:16:53] <CIA-9>	Horrible hack for {{int:}} usage in CentralNotice so it's using the proper language.
[23:16:53] <CIA-9>	We should really fix core {{int:}}, but I don't want to break things just yet...
[23:17:32] <S-i-A>	how can add User to Group?
[23:17:41] <Mathieu1>	that's how goddady did it. I first created subdomains and then installed the wikis automatically in each subdomain... no wonder everything is messed-up
[23:19:09] <Mathieu1>	now I figured I can access by en.domain.com/w and also via www.domain.com/en/w/  ?!?
[23:20:05] <Duesentrieb>	i suppose so.
[23:20:12] <Duesentrieb>	the setup looks confusing
[23:20:18] <S-i-A>	i create new group MyGroup ad have 3 registered user, i will add this registered user to MyGroup? how can i do that ?
[23:20:34] <Mathieu1>	it was actually easy to do :)
[23:20:34] <Duesentrieb>	!groups | S-i-A
[23:20:34] --mwbot--	S-i-A: For information on customizing user access, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights >. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access >.
[23:21:33] <S-i-A>	Duesentrieb: i have this link, add Rgestred user to MyGroup?
[23:22:25] <Duesentrieb>	S-i-A: Special:Userrights
[23:24:16] <S-i-A>	Duesentrieb: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:UserRights
[23:24:22] <S-i-A>	nothing in this page
[23:24:49] <Duesentrieb>	S-i-A: read again. 
[23:25:08] <Duesentrieb>	"You do not have permission to do that, for the following reason: Your account does not have permission to assign user rights."
[23:25:16] <Duesentrieb>	perhaps you should try that page on *your* wiki
[23:25:54] <S-i-A>	Duesentrieb: what have that to do with my question?
[23:26:08] <Duesentrieb>	S-i-A: that is the page you use to add users to groups.
[23:26:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Talk pages of subpages are not moved if the top-level page has no talk page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14369  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[23:26:26] <S-i-A>	i asked about ""how can i add regestrird user to MyGroup. how? how?""
[23:26:27] <Duesentrieb>	that was your question, no?+
[23:26:34] <CIA-9>	03tomasz * r43958 10/trunk/extensions/CentralNotice/SpecialNoticeTemplate.php: Pull a revision instead of a wfMsg in order to preserve inc: tags
[23:26:35] <Duesentrieb>	err.
[23:26:38] <Duesentrieb>	by using that page?
[23:26:47] <S-i-A>	what?
[23:27:00] <S-i-A>	""how can i add regestrird user to MyGroup. how? how?""
[23:27:07] <sancus>	Sorry about this again but does anyone know what part of the css I need to edit in order to move the top part of the page down - the part with all the the tabs along the top because I would like to add a banner there if I could
[23:27:41] <Duesentrieb>	S-i-A: go to Special:UserRights on your wiki. that's how you add users to groups. That's all there is to it.
[23:27:52] <CIA-9>	03brion * r43959 10/trunk/extensions/CentralNotice/SpecialNoticeText.php: actually restore the right language *durrr*
[23:34:45] <lenary>	hi, i have a problem
[23:34:54] <lenary>	i have mediawiki installed
[23:34:56] <lenary>	and working fine
[23:35:06] <lenary>	well, up until you try and edit anything
[23:35:12] <lenary>	which you need a login to do
[23:35:51] <lenary>	basically, it says you don't have permission, and logs you out
[23:36:03] <lenary>	"Sorry! We could not process your edit due to a loss of session data. Please try again. If it still does not work, try logging out and logging back in." is the error
[23:36:08] <lenary>	anyone know how to solve it?
[23:36:34] <lenary>	this is with remember me checked
[23:36:54] <lenary>	w/o it, it logs you off before you get to the next page
[23:37:07] <Duesentrieb>	!session
[23:37:07] --mwbot--	make sure session.save_path is set correctly in your php.ini. Verify that it exists, is readable and writable to PHP, and check that session data is actually being written there. On a server farm, make sure it's a shared directory, accessible from all servers.
[23:37:30] <lenary>	ok, cool
[23:37:49] <lenary>	what about in lighttpd?
[23:38:17] <Duesentrieb>	what about it?
[23:38:25] <cirwin>	lenary: php.ini is nowt to do with lighttpd
[23:38:26] <lenary>	it's on linux
[23:38:31] <Duesentrieb>	so?
[23:38:42] <lenary>	you still have php.ini?
[23:38:47] *lenary 	is too tired
[23:38:47] <Duesentrieb>	yes
[23:38:48] <lenary>	oh well
[23:39:08] <lenary>	cirwin: where shall we put the session save pat?
[23:39:11] <lenary>	**path?
[23:39:17] <lenary>	s/we/you/
[23:39:18] <cirwin>	it works for all the other sites
[23:39:21] <lenary>	lol
[23:39:23] <cirwin>	so shouldn't need changing
[23:39:33] <cirwin>	unless you're running php as a different user for some reason?
[23:39:40] <lenary>	i don't know
[23:39:45] <cirwin>	I doubt it
[23:39:48] <lenary>	it is through lighttpd last i recalled
[23:40:05] <cirwin>	nah, all the same
[23:40:30] <lenary>	ok, any other ideas?
[23:42:35] <lenary>	thanks for the help Duesentrieb 
[23:48:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) {{int:X}} respects user-defined interface language, breaking link tables etc. (aka {{USERIFCODE}} strikes back) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14404  (10brion)
[23:51:28] <Mathieu1>	Thanks for your time Duesentrieb
[23:58:16] <Splarka>	"Maybe what we want is some way to mark a page or a part of a page as being in a
[23:58:17] <Splarka>	different language"/me wonders what {{formatnum}} and  {{formatnum|r}} would do 
[23:58:33] <Splarka>	bah, damn bugzilla <pre>