[00:02:26] <Splarka>	hmm, what if the int: only populated tables based on parsing the content language?
[00:03:56] <Splarka>	{{#switch:{{int:Lang}}|en=[[Foo]]|fr=[[Bar]]}}... would show [[Bar]] for french, but secretly always parse the contentLang tree for the link table? (double the work in some cases)... 
[00:07:06] <Isakill>	ok. following directions on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_Person
[00:07:25] <Isakill>	it tells me to simply paste in the balnk template into an article
[00:07:46] <Isakill>	and add the information into the fields
[00:07:50] <Isakill>	it's not working
[00:10:55] <Simetrical>	Isakill, this is on the English Wikipedia that you're following the instructions?
[00:10:59] <Simetrical>	If so, try #wikipedia-en.
[00:13:32] <Isakill>	wait... you mean to tell me that programming the wikipedia (which from what I can see is powered by the wikimedia)isn't the same as the wikimedia?
[00:13:44] <Isakill>	er
[00:13:47] <Isakill>	mediawiki
[00:14:04] <Simetrical>	. . . ?
[00:14:12] <Simetrical>	!templates | Isakill 
[00:14:12] --mwbot--	Isakill: For more information about templates, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates>. The most common issues with templates copied from Wikipedia can be fixed by installing ParserFunctions <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions> and enabling HTML Tidy <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUseTidy>.
[00:14:30] <Isakill>	o.O
[00:14:31] <Simetrical>	Templates are site-specific.  Each site can create its own templates.
[00:14:32] <Isakill>	wait
[00:14:44] <Isakill>	not one person said I had to install anything else
[00:15:00] <Simetrical>	Template:Infobox_Person is something that someone on Wikipedia created, it doesn't exist in MediaWiki by default.
[00:15:00] <Simetrical>	No template exists in MediaWiki by default, you need to create them.
[00:16:01] <Isakill>	I read about that.. the creating thing..  but nowhere on any template page I found said anything about installing a parser...   this may be the MOST helpful advice i've recieved
[00:16:28] <Isakill>	nor did anyone mention it this morning
[00:17:28] <Isakill>	thank you.. let me look into and install this parser function
[00:17:35] *Mike||gone 	advocates for including it in core
[00:19:53] <Simetrical>	Isakill, you need to copy the template and all the templates it calls, first, to your wiki.
[00:20:42] <Simetrical>	Then you'll probably also need to install some extensions like ParserFunctions.
[00:34:07] <Isakill>	ok
[00:35:54] <Isakill>	Mike||gone, I agree.. this has been the most confsing project i've ever embarked on in recent times
[00:36:27] <Mike||gone>	Well, Tim said "no" to putting it in core, but I don't recall the reasons.
[00:36:48] <Mike||gone>	but seeing as I'm not brion, it probably doesn't matter what I think.
[00:38:09] <Isakill>	heh
[00:44:57] <Isakill>	sweet.. parser functions installed
[00:54:50] <Isakill>	ok another question.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Birth_date states that by copy/paste this line:
[00:54:59] <Isakill>	{{Birth date|year of birth|month of birth|day of birth|additional parameters}}
[00:55:24] <Isakill>	into a template:BDA will make the template?
[00:58:27] <Isakill>	ACK
[00:58:38] <Isakill>	still with the template loop errors
[01:06:31] <Splarka>	hmm, there should be a way to list a bug as being blocked by another bug, but only while that latter bug remains 'FIXED',sort of a bizzaro blocker
[01:08:47] <Isakill>	devide by zero. there ya go
[01:09:59] <Splarka>	"Unfix this bug to fix this bug"
[01:12:13] <CIA-9>	03werdna * r43960 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (CHANGELOG Configure.page.php Configure.php): 
[01:12:14] <CIA-9>	Configure extension updates:
[01:12:14] <CIA-9>	* Stopped displaying settings which can't be edited in Special:Configure.
[01:12:14] <CIA-9>	These can be viewed at Special:Configure.
[01:12:14] <CIA-9>	* Introduced explicit whitelisting of settings, rather than blacklisting
[01:12:14] <CIA-9>	of other settings.
[01:12:48] <p858snake>	Splarka: reopen ticket and say that this fix breaks X
[01:12:50] <Isakill>	mk
[01:14:00] <Isakill>	I stick around in here i might learn something
[01:14:02] <Splarka>	heh
[01:14:16] <Splarka>	Isakill: I said that several years ago, I still haven't had my original question answered
[01:14:35] *Splarka 	leads Isakill to his small alcove and hands him his robes and bible
[01:14:57] <Isakill>	I've been asking em for 28+ years and still don't recieve answers for most of em
[01:15:03] <Splarka>	welcome brother, meals are at dawn and dusk, prayer services for lost functions are at the bells every hour
[01:15:43] <Isakill>	XD
[01:16:24] <p858snake>	Splarka: this is the new scientogloy 9spelling?) channel?
[01:16:31] <p858snake>	*(spelling?)
[01:17:08] <Isakill>	scientology
[01:17:19] <Isakill>	yeah you had it
[01:19:24] <Splarka>	I dunno, maybe?
[01:19:36] *Splarka 	flies p858snake and Xenu to a volcano and sends off a nuke, and then reads his engrams
[01:24:50] <^demon|away>	Splarka: What was your original question, fwiw?
[01:26:10] <Isakill>	that's a new one on me
[01:26:28] <Isakill>	fwiw?
[01:27:12] <ST47>	'for what it's worth'
[01:27:23] <Splarka>	^demon: long since forgotten
[01:27:26] <Isakill>	ah
[01:51:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Check and delete empty tex images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16440  normal->highest; +comment (10hardy)
[01:53:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Check and delete empty tex images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16440  (10brion)
[01:56:27] <CIA-9>	03tomasz * r43961 10/trunk/extensions/CentralNotice/SpecialNoticeTemplate.php: upping maximum execution time and memory limit
[01:59:25] <Isakill>	you guys seriously have daily builds of the wiki?
[01:59:36] <werdnum>	What do you mean, Isakill?
[02:00:31] <Isakill>	as in the code changes every day.. because of the "download nightly build" link on the mediawiki homepage
[02:00:42] <werdnum>	Sure.
[02:01:03] <werdnum>	We have full-time developers, what do you expect?
[02:01:18] <CIA-9>	03brion * r43962 10/trunk/extensions/CentralNotice/SpecialNoticeText.php: fix sitenotice/lang overrides
[02:01:51] <Isakill>	i'm not used to anything like that
[02:02:16] <Skizzerz>	Isakill: well, you see all of these messages by CIA-9?
[02:02:16] <Isakill>	course where I hang out at they change the code every other day
[02:02:28] <Skizzerz>	Every time CIA-9 says something, the code has changed
[02:02:30] <Isakill>	yup
[02:02:41] <Isakill>	o.O
[02:04:38] <Isakill>	ok if that's the case... how do you guys change versions? after every code change or at the end of the dev day?
[02:05:51] <Splarka>	~biannual halting of commits for a period of review, branching, cleanup, more review, and finalization
[02:05:58] <Skizzerz>	versions (aka branches) are released quarterly-ish as a snapshot of the current state of the trunk. The trunk is in constant development and is denoted by revision numbers (such as r43962, denoting the 43,962nd commit to the code)
[02:06:13] <Skizzerz>	quarterly-biannually :P
[02:06:43] <Splarka>	'quarterly' is corporate jingo for 'whenever we get around to it'
[02:06:57] <Skizzerz>	pretty much
[02:08:20] <Isakill>	heh
[02:10:07] <Splarka>	lesse, 1.11: Septembe 2007, 1.12: March 2008, 1.13: August 2008
[02:10:36] <Splarka>	6 months, 5 months...
[02:10:41] <Splarka>	I think biannual is more accurate ^_^
[02:11:09] <CIA-9>	03demon * r43963 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (AutoLoader.php SpecialPage.php specials/SpecialImport.php): Refactor Special:Import to extend SpecialPage instead of wfSpecialImport() stuff.
[02:12:22] <^demon>	\o/
[02:13:53] <CIA-9>	03brion * r43964 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/Math.php): * (bug 16440) Broken 0-byte math renderings are now deleted and re-rendered when page is re-parsed.
[02:27:45] <Betacommand>	anyone know where the query for [[Special:UncategorizedPages]] is?
[02:28:27] <CIA-9>	03brion * r43965 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Math.php: 
[02:28:27] <CIA-9>	Follow-up to r43964 (bug 16440)
[02:28:27] <CIA-9>	* Purge newly rendered math images from squids, so any old bad versions get purged out
[02:28:27] <CIA-9>	* Don't save entries that were 0-byte files
[02:28:43] <carl-m>	Betacommand: trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialUncategorizedpages.php ? 
[02:30:28] <^demon>	Betacommand: http://pastey.net/102827
[02:31:14] <Betacommand>	thanks all
[02:33:14] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Check and delete empty tex images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16440  +comment (10brion)
[02:37:20] <CIA-9>	03brion * r43966 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Math.php: fix regression from r43965 -- forgot the .png extension from math URLs, which works on my apache install but not on the live upload server :P
[02:55:37] <CIA-9>	03skizzerz * r43967 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES skins/common/wikibits.js): * Added complimentary function for addHandler() called removeHandler() for removing events
[02:57:10] <Pathoschild>	Can the names of sublogs be localized (the "move" part of "Special:Log/move")?
[02:57:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Request: Different "MediaWiki:Spamprotectiontext" for local and global spam-blacklist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12034  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[02:57:57] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Different system messages for local and global title blacklist hits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16461 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: TitleBlacklist; (mikelifeguard)
[03:13:24] <CIA-9>	03werdna * r43969 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/Configure.css: Change font size for config table-of-contents to be a bit bigger. The smaller one feels awkward/off-putting, sez Brion.
[03:27:34] <CIA-9>	03werdna * r43970 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (CHANGELOG Configure.js Configure.php): 
[03:27:34] <CIA-9>	Configure extension updates
[03:27:34] <CIA-9>	* Bump style version.
[03:27:34] <CIA-9>	* Fix javascript bug in previous version.
[03:37:26] <CIA-9>	03aaron * r43971 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (AutoLoader.php SpecialPage.php specials/SpecialResetpass.php): 
[03:37:26] <CIA-9>	Cleanup for r43841:
[03:37:26] <CIA-9>	* Fix odd invocation to use the normal extend method for pages
[03:37:27] <CIA-9>	* Add passwordaudit hooks
[03:37:27] <CIA-9>	* Fix specialpage member variable collision
[03:39:29] <Isakill>	!templates
[03:39:29] --mwbot--	For more information about templates, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates>. The most common issues with templates copied from Wikipedia can be fixed by installing ParserFunctions <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions> and enabling HTML Tidy <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUseTidy>.
[03:40:28] *werdnum 	spanishly inquisits AaronSchulz for being on late.
[03:41:43] <CIA-9>	03aaron * r43972 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialResetpass.php: Opp, add this bit back
[03:42:13] <werdnum>	AaronSchulz: have a Configure setup handy?
[03:42:19] <AaronSchulz>	yeah
[03:43:48] <werdnum>	AaronSchulz: When you have a few secs, could you update and tell me what you think needs interface/usability improvement? :)
[03:44:02] <Isakill>	what exactly DOES template loop mean?
[03:44:47] <AaronSchulz>	still has horizontal scrollbar
[03:45:00] <werdnum>	:/ what resolution?
[03:45:26] <AaronSchulz>	1280x1024
[03:45:27] <chuck>	What would be the best way to include the script.aculo.us and prototype javascript files from an extension?
[03:45:34] <chuck>	Like where would I put the files, mainly
[03:45:39] <werdnum>	hm, maybe it's those size="45" textboxen
[03:45:49] <werdnum>	maybe you were right to pare themdown.
[03:45:56] <werdnum>	It would be nice if they'd expand to fill the available space.
[03:46:16] <werdnum>	Also, thinking of turning that thing on the LHS into tabs.
[03:46:27] <AaronSchulz>	werdnum: when I click the [+] for something, I get the same link under it
[03:47:11] <werdnum>	Yeah, that's subsections.
[03:47:24] <werdnum>	for most of them, the subsection == the supersection.
[03:47:31] <werdnum>	I could add a special case for that, though.
[03:47:34] <AaronSchulz>	:/
[03:47:54] <AaronSchulz>	it isn't so special if it is like all of them :)
[03:48:11] <werdnum>	haha
[03:48:21] <werdnum>	well, I've disabled a lot of settings since that tree layout was designed :)
[03:48:49] <Skizzerz>	Isakill: it's when you try to call the template from that template, e.g. Having {{Test}} on the page Template:Test when it is not enclosed in <noinclude> tags
[03:49:08] <werdnum>	There might be too many sections for a tab layout. Hmm..
[03:50:08] <Pathoschild>	How easily can new JavaScript variables be added to the assignment block at the top of each page (with wgTitle and such)? A variable for the type of log being viewed on Special:Log would be useful.
[03:50:52] <werdnum>	Can be done pretty simply.
[03:51:09] <werdnum>	But couldn't you parse wgTitle or something?
[03:51:36] <Isakill>	what if i'm not trying to call the template from within itself?
[03:51:53] <werdnum>	context plz/
[03:52:17] <werdnum>	AaronSchulz: other than the toc, anything layouty that might need fixing?
[03:52:41] <AaronSchulz>	the horizontal scrollbar
[03:52:53] <werdnum>	That will be fixed by the toc...
[03:53:01] <werdnum>	(assuming I move it from the side)
[03:54:11] <AaronSchulz>	hmm, flaggedrevs config looks ok now at least
[03:54:32] <AaronSchulz>	though all the array values are duplicated and broken
[03:54:41] <Mike||busy>	werdnum: log doesn't have the type -- it's always log
[03:54:51] <Pathoschild>	werdnum: Unfortunately not; wgPageName and wgTitle both stop at 'Log'; presumably the slash-delimited parameter isn't considered part of the title.
[03:55:12] <Mike||busy>	and you can't check href, since that's language-dependent
[03:55:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10smccandlish)
[03:55:21] <werdnum>	ew.
[03:55:23] <Mike||busy>	(well, you can if you're looking for lots of work :) )
[03:55:33] <werdnum>	AaronSchulz: FlaggedRevs config with Configure extension?
[03:56:17] <Pathoschild>	The alternative is to check if the first select in the DOM has a value of 'move' at the selected index, which is pretty fragile. :)
[03:56:34] <AaronSchulz>	yes
[03:56:35] <Pathoschild>	(And is only accurate so long as the user doesn't change the select.)
[03:57:04] <Mike||busy>	that'd also be nice for the script for the user rights log on meta
[03:57:10] <werdnum>	Pathoschild: you could parse the URL :)
[03:57:11] *werdnum 	ducks.
[03:57:31] <AaronSchulz>	http://localhost/MW_trunk/index.php/Special:Extensions
[03:57:37] <AaronSchulz>	'No old version of the configuration available. '
[03:57:47] <AaronSchulz>	hehe, funny cuz there are 2 :)
[03:58:05] <Mike||busy>	werdnum: but, then he'd have to check for how many translations? it varies by language
[03:58:07] <AaronSchulz>	00:00, 1 January 1970 by : View, Edit: MediaWiki, Extensions
[03:58:07] <werdnum>	I haven't tested anything with Special:Extensions yet :)
[03:58:21] <AaronSchulz>	hmm, I didn't know that was 2 minutes ago
[03:58:28] <werdnum>	but that is a good point, I'll look at it.
[03:58:57] *Pathoschild 	should put together another add-a-bunch-of-selectors patch...
[04:00:59] <AaronSchulz>	werdnum: the key/value/delete things tend to overflow
[04:01:25] <AaronSchulz>	well, the long ones
[04:01:29] <werdnum>	AaronSchulz: hmm, it would be nice if we could resize textboxes to fill the boxen.
[04:01:36] <p858snake>	hmm trying to $wgRestrictionLevels to work with a custom group i made, i manage to get everything to display without any sort of errors and the size of the box on the Page protect page increased by one line but nothing is there
[04:11:16] *werdnum 	commits smore.
[04:11:21] <Splarka>	smores? yum
[04:11:27] <werdnum>	weird american.
[04:11:33] <CIA-9>	03werdna * r43973 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (6 files): 
[04:11:33] <CIA-9>	Configure extension updates:
[04:11:33] <CIA-9>	* Move some stuff around.
[04:11:33] <CIA-9>	* Add some &nbsp;s here and there.
[04:11:33] <CIA-9>	* Fix massive screen taking-over by paring down size of textboxen found in tables.
[04:11:34] <CIA-9>	* Redo some setting names.
[04:12:21] <Splarka>	3werdna * r43977 10/trunk/extensions/Snacks/ (chocolate.php marshmallow.php grahamcrackers.php): smores!
[04:12:45] <werdnum>	whoa, I didn't read the person who wrote that, andthought it was me.
[04:13:26] <Mike||busy>	wtf?
[04:13:34] <Isakill>	lol
[04:14:32] <Charitwo>	did you intentionally skip 4-6?
[04:21:06] <Splarka>	I just picked a future number
[04:22:31] <domas>	=)
[04:22:39] <domas>	Splarka: you bastard
[04:23:15] <Splarka>	3domas * r43978 10/trunk/users/domas/stomach/ (SwedishBeer.php): purging low alcohol swedish beer, lets get some good stuff
[04:24:27] <techman224>	Does anyone know what's qulifys as a content page
[04:24:40] <techman224>	like when I have 9 articles
[04:25:07] <techman224>	but only 3 are reconiged by the software?
[04:25:08] <Splarka>	non-zero, non-redirect, has a link, and is in a content namespace 
[04:25:11] <chuck>	anyone know what needs to be done to make a skin compatible with the new notation for Sidebar messages (* SEARCH, etc) as well as some extensions like the google adsense one?
[04:25:29] <chuck>	unfortunately, daddio is a really nice skin, but it doesn't support adsense or * SEARCH, etc =<
[04:25:44] <techman224>	Splarka, an external link or wiki link
[04:25:51] <Splarka>	internal I believe
[04:25:55] <Splarka>	see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgContentNamespaces
[04:27:26] <techman224>	splarka, internal is right
[04:41:50] *werdnum 	invades again
[04:44:07] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special page slash parameters unpreditable and obfuscated to javascript - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16462 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (herd)
[04:45:17] <Splarka>	annoying since each Special: page has the slash as a hack...
[04:45:25] <Splarka>	maybe a standardization of slashies ^_^
[04:45:37] <Splarka>	one problem... [[Special:ListUsers/rollbacker/s]]  that is two separate parameters
[04:45:50] <Splarka>	[[Special:Prefixindex/MediaWiki:Common.js/edit]] is one...
[04:55:05] <Charitwo>	no shirt, no shoes, no service
[04:55:39] <Splarka>	not my fault, services was lagged
[04:55:50] *Splarka 	stabs it
[05:39:43] <Mathieu1>	hi!
[05:45:36] <Mathieu1>	I'd like to add/create several users to my wiki at once. Is there a way to do that if I have the right data (names, emails, etc)?
[05:46:14] <domas>	'at once' - write code
[05:46:15] <domas>	:)
[05:47:01] <Mathieu1>	domas: thanks! do you know a url on the mediawiki website where I can learn how to do that?
[05:47:49] <werdnum>	I wrote a mini script to do it once, but I lost it
[05:48:03] <werdnum>	The general gist is
[05:48:19] <werdnum>	<?php require( '/path/to/mediawiki/maintenance/commandLine.inc' );
[05:48:26] <werdnum>	## To create a user
[05:48:35] <werdnum>	$u = User::newFromName( $user );
[05:48:39] <werdnum>	$u->setPassword( 'password' );
[05:48:44] <werdnum>	$u->insert();
[05:49:11] <Mathieu1>	umm... looks good
[05:50:26] <werdnum>	erm, instead of insert, addToDatabase()
[05:51:20] <werdnum>	hi davidmccabe 
[05:51:27] <davidmccabe>	howdy.
[05:51:31] <Mathieu1>	werdnum: by the way, don't know if you remember but I was the one trying to make my URLs shorter (for 2 days)... well, i figured out I couldn't because of my subdomain and my shared-hosting with godaddy
[05:51:40] <werdnum>	yeah, godaddy sux
[05:52:03] <Mathieu1>	I need to get what they call a virtual dedicated server
[05:52:03] <p858snake>	Mathieu1: Extension:ImportUsers
[05:52:14] <Mathieu1>	 :( $$$
[05:52:23] <werdnum>	dude, it's like $10/month from some providers.
[05:52:26] <p858snake>	or go to a decent host
[05:53:00] <p858snake>	godaddy dosn't allow .htaccess to rewrite addresses?
[05:53:05] <Mathieu1>	they asked for nearly $100... I'll get in touch with laughingsquid
[05:53:20] <Mathieu1>	p858snake: they do but it's a pain
[05:54:22] <Mathieu1>	do you guys know anyone at laughingsquid, beside scott beale?
[05:54:40] <Mathieu1>	p858snake: thanks for the link
[05:55:11] <Dantman>	bluehost is only $7/mo, and I could swear it should be possible to get MW running there
[05:55:25] <Dantman>	But VPS is the best way to go. Linode or Amazon
[05:56:08] <Mathieu1>	gosh! such a pain to switch to another one.. pfff thanks Dantman
[05:56:52] <p858snake>	i can recommend http://minthost.com for shared and possibly dedicated hosting
[05:57:34] <p858snake>	nope not dedicated servers
[05:57:53] <werdnum>	Dantman: Amazon is spensive.
[05:57:57] <werdnum>	$80/month or something
[05:58:19] <Dantman>	For how much use?
[05:58:20] <Mathieu1>	oh crap! google adsense can't pay for that! lol
[05:58:43] <werdnum>	Dantman: that's the cheapest server for a month
[05:58:43] <Dantman>	Don't misunderstand AWS
[05:59:18] <werdnum>	10 (U.S. cents per hour) = 73.0484398 U.S. dollars per month
[05:59:56] <Dantman>	Ok
[06:00:14] <werdnum>	linode looks pretty good from a RAM perspective
[06:00:21] <werdnum>	I use a tiny place called SystemInPlace
[06:00:30] <Mathieu1>	ihttp://minthost.com is not in US$, can't do the math at this time of the day
[06:00:53] <werdnum>	and I pay $15/mo for 256 MB RAM, 10 GB HDD, unlimited bandwidth in Fremont.
[06:00:55] <p858snake>	http://www.google.com.au/search?q=%C2%A33+to+USD&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a <google does it for you >.>
[06:01:08] <Dantman>	:/ And they're using a stupid flash app so I can't calc
[06:01:51] <Mathieu1>	i should probably stay with godaddy sux until i have a bigger user base and can afford to be picky
[06:02:06] <werdnum>	Mathieu1: how much are you paying for godaddy?
[06:02:23] <p858snake>	so you want to stay with a sucky webhost that your paying for but can't do what you want?
[06:02:35] <sherrod>	umm, just get dreamhost?
[06:03:48] <Mathieu1>	i probably paid about $80 for another 11 months, reasonable
[06:04:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10mrzmanwiki)
[06:05:02] <Mathieu1>	well, i'd like to move to another host because i want my wiki to be on a subdomain and not a share-hosted server
[06:05:14] <sherrod>	So you want a dedicated server for your wiki?
[06:05:34] <Mathieu1>	i guess that's what I need in order to run the wiki on my subdomain
[06:06:22] <sherrod>	well, no, you can have the wiki on a sub.domain.com [like that] and be on shared hosting
[06:07:08] <Dantman>	However if you want MW to work decently a VPS is best
[06:07:09] <Mathieu1>	but not with godaddy sux, they don't work that way :( the .sub is in the root and that goes like this sub.domain.com and also sub.domain.com
[06:07:32] <sherrod>	wow
[06:07:35] <Mathieu1>	that created a redirection problem, very confusing
[06:07:56] <Mathieu1>	sorry, i meant and also like domain.com/sub
[06:08:09] <sherrod>	Well, you could get like a linode... that would give you a lot of control, your subdomain preferences, etc... but it will cost more
[06:08:25] <Dantman>	Only round $20/mo
[06:08:41] <Dantman>	The kind of money it takes to buy a coffee a day
[06:08:51] <sherrod>	I dont drink coffee
[06:08:53] <Dantman>	^_^ Actually, that's probably more expensive
[06:08:58] <sherrod>	heh, which is why all those damn 'save money tips!" never work for me
[06:08:58] <Dantman>	;) Then pay for webhosting
[06:09:13] <Mathieu1>	that's about what I could pay, but for this price they usually don't give many databases neither bandwith or diskspace
[06:09:15] <Dantman>	I don't drink coffee either... where do you think I put that?
[06:09:27] <Dantman>	Erm...
[06:09:43] <Dantman>	http://www.linode.com
[06:09:46] <sherrod>	Mathieu1: are you in a position of needing a lot of diskspace and bw?
[06:09:59] <Dantman>	Smallest package has 12gb of storage, and 200gb of bandwidth
[06:10:12] <Dantman>	More than enough for quite awhile
[06:10:29] <sherrod>	Yeah, I would think that would be plenty
[06:10:32] <Dantman>	And it's a VPS, so as for databases... you run the databases, and the webservers
[06:10:40] <sherrod>	Esp if you're on a crappy shared godaddy situation right now
[06:11:20] <Dantman>	For all they care, you could run your own IRC server (however IRC servers are a little heavy, it normally takes one of the larger packages to run an IRC server)
[06:11:27] <sherrod>	Just make sure to monitor your usage and not use too many resources. If you get too big, linode will ask you to move away or buy more.
[06:11:35] <Mathieu1>	today they gd sux gives me 25 databases +  Bandwidth Allotment: 1,500,000 MB  + Disk Space Allotment: 150,000 MB, and that runs on Linux which is a bit less expensive
[06:11:58] <Mathieu1>	you guys are typing too quickly :)
[06:12:11] <sherrod>	Mathieu1: did you install the mediawiki software yourself with godaddy? Or did they provide it for you? 
[06:12:41] <Mathieu1>	sherrod: they provided it, which is nice because they also update it when needed
[06:12:59] <sherrod>	ooooooh k
[06:13:07] <Dantman>	VPS gives you unlimited databases... you can keep them as up to date as you want, and you aren't limited to their panel
[06:13:22] <sherrod>	Mathieu1: are you good with linux?
[06:13:44] <Dantman>	Updating mw is a brease... backup db, svn switch, svn up, php maintenance/update.php
[06:13:49] <Mathieu1>	sherrod: not at all, never tried
[06:13:56] <sherrod>	Mathieu1: ok, i see
[06:14:43] <Mathieu1>	where do i learn about VPS
[06:14:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Ability to preview vector/re-rendered images in Special:Upload "warning" interstitial. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16437  (10herd)
[06:15:08] <Mathieu1>	wikipedia i guess
[06:15:21] <sherrod>	Mathieu1: if you get a VPS,  you will need to learn linux in order to setup your wiki instance 
[06:17:08] <Mathieu1>	sherrod: i already installed mw a few times by downloading the package and following the instructions. It worked until i decided to try gd sux. Is there a difference with the VPS?
[06:17:45] <sherrod>	Mathieu1: not too much of a differnce. If you're comfortable configuring and installing mw and the required databases, you should be fine.
[06:17:56] <Mathieu1>	then no problem
[06:18:09] <sherrod>	do you know how to ssh?
[06:18:26] <sherrod>	and like, move around with a command line?
[06:19:44] <Mathieu1>	sherrod: I didn't know what a wiki was two months ago and now I have one running, or almost. I guess I can learn how to ssh too?
[06:20:04] <sherrod>	sure
[06:20:14] <sherrod>	that is fun and easy
[06:20:21] <Mathieu1>	You guys write code all day. Do you dream in 1 and 0 ?
[06:20:38] <Mathieu1>	binary dreams
[06:20:40] <domas>	nah, just in { and }
[06:20:45] <domas>	and //
[06:20:46] <Mathieu1>	lol
[06:20:56] <sherrod>	I don't write code. I use the code they write 
[06:21:08] <sherrod>	so, uhh, thanks :]
[06:23:26] <Mathieu1>	the reason why I'd like to install mw on a sub.domain.com is because I'll have several sub.domains (en, fr, sp, it, etc). Should I try to simply go with a wiki family?
[06:24:11] <Mathieu1>	I'm afraid to use the same database and same source code for all the wikis
[06:24:39] <domas>	we use multiple databases and same source code
[06:24:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10p858snake)
[06:25:34] <Mathieu1>	what if someone search an article in the en.wiki.com, could that probably pop up a result from the fr.wiki.com too?
[06:26:08] <Mathieu1>	domas: hey is that possible?
[06:27:03] <domas>	no
[06:27:07] <domas>	only if you make it so
[06:31:01] <Mathieu1>	how is wikipedia working with its sub.domains? do you guys know? a wiki for each language?
[06:31:03] <agaran>	domas: can't multiple wikis use single database just with different table names prefix?
[06:31:25] <domas>	agaran: they can
[06:31:37] <domas>	Mathieu1: [08:24] 	domas	we use multiple databases and same source code
[06:31:44] <Mathieu1>	agaran: wow, that becomes complicated for the average guy that I am
[06:32:33] <Mathieu1>	where did Schroeder go? bye!
[06:32:44] <sherrod>	Mathieu1: what kind of wiki are you setting up?
[06:32:50] <werdnum>	domas: wow, EC2 is pretty cool
[06:32:58] <werdnum>	domas: you can get a box with 15 GB RAM
[06:33:07] <werdnum>	you could store most of enwp database in memory
[06:33:14] <werdnum>	wheee, 10,000 fold speed increase :P
[06:33:18] <domas>	werdnum: I advocated in quite a few situations, don't use it myself
[06:33:22] <Mathieu1>	sherrod: a multi-languages wiki, nothing complicated
[06:34:00] <domas>	werdnum: I told people to use EC2 instead of building out expensive lab setups in our datacenter at mysql
[06:34:09] <domas>	for certain depts
[06:34:12] <werdnum>	domas: If anybody ever wants to do stats on DB dumps, EC2 looks up to the job.
[06:34:23] <domas>	ye
[06:34:29] <domas>	especially if you can distribute the task
[06:34:30] <werdnum>	Imagine doing stats on the entire enwp database loaded into RAM.
[06:34:44] <domas>	we run 32-gig instances nowadays ;-)
[06:34:56] <werdnum>	whee
[06:34:57] <domas>	anyway, enwiki doesn't fit into RAM, if you look at all crossindexing
[06:35:07] <werdnum>	indexing, yeah maybe not :P
[06:35:11] <werdnum>	you could distribute though
[06:35:29] <werdnum>	and load only relevant tables.
[06:35:30] <domas>	did you see "Overlay Weaver" ? :)
[06:35:35] <werdnum>	no?
[06:36:13] <sherrod>	we looked at EC2 but it was too expensive
[06:36:13] <domas>	I feel like upgrading xchat
[06:36:22] <domas>	sherrod: EC2 is good for temporary load spikes
[06:36:29] <domas>	not for permanent hosting
[06:36:37] <Mathieu1>	I feel like I'm traveling in another country... I see words and sentences that I don't understand... feels exotic to me
[06:36:45] <sherrod>	domas: so, people use it for like "overflow" sort of?
[06:36:46] <werdnum>	too expensive for permanent.
[06:36:54] <agaran>	hmm, nbd exported tmpfs from bunch fo 4G pc' and raid5 over that?;D
[06:37:06] <agaran>	nbd == network block device of course
[06:37:57] <domas>	brb
[06:38:39] <Splarka>	Mathieu1: note that you can share the user database/table across the wikis, or use SUL... the SUL is more of a patch to make older installations pretend they always had a shared user table
[06:38:49] <Splarka>	but SUL does have more features...
[06:39:10] <Mathieu1>	Splarka: thanks!
[06:39:26] <Splarka>	it is like... a cast for a broken leg, that also as a jetski in it
[06:39:54] <sherrod>	wow that is an incredible simile 
[06:40:00] <Mathieu1>	alright, who's gonna have the last word about a reliable, easy to set-up, not too crazy expensive, and fun hosted server company?
[06:40:04] <Splarka>	it lets you log in to multiple domains (not just subdomains) for example
[06:40:20] <p858snake>	Mathieu1: minthost
[06:40:49] <sherrod>	Mathieu1: I've had good results with linode, but if the wiki gets big/popular, you will want to move.
[06:41:28] <Mathieu1>	p858snake: you, you work for them, right? or they pay you to put their name on forums...  just kidding, I'll seriously look into it
[06:42:43] <Mathieu1>	sherrod: the wiki is already popular even though it's not public yet :( I should consider a long relationship with whoever I end up with with the hosting
[06:43:20] <sherrod>	if it crashes the VPS, linode will be pissed
[06:43:30] <Mathieu1>	sherrod: can't afford to move
[06:43:47] <Mathieu1>	sherrod: umm, don't want that
[06:43:54] <sherrod>	so... you're running a website that is quite popular, but don't have any money?
[06:44:19] <Mathieu1>	you know the trends in silicon valley, come up with a business plan later that's
[06:44:36] <Mathieu1>	i can't put add on the wiki, that sux
[06:44:58] <Mathieu1>	i can't do partnership neither
[06:45:30] <sherrod>	Can you charge for memberships? If it is popular, then it will hit a point where you can't afford it by yourself anymore.
[06:46:17] <Dantman>	^_^ Smart people track IP's so they know who to drain blood money from...
[06:46:25] <Mathieu1>	no membership, I want everyone to access the knowledge for free
[06:46:45] <Mathieu1>	when I can't afford it, that's when I sell it :)
[06:46:54] <sherrod>	oh boy
[06:47:00] <Dantman>	And that's my allotment of random phrases for the day
[06:47:14] <sherrod>	Dantman: that wasn't random... that was sage advice :]
[06:47:19] <Dantman>	Heh
[06:47:23] <Mathieu1>	i agree
[06:47:25] <Dantman>	Ohwait... I had one from earlier
[06:47:29] <sherrod>	hehe
[06:47:38] <Dantman>	"Pizza... truly the food of the world"
[06:47:41] <Splarka>	[[Special:Random]] => [[Sage]]
[06:47:44] <sherrod>	heh
[06:47:46] <Daedalus969>	Is there a way to prevent linebreaks being transcluded in templates?
[06:48:04] <Splarka>	<noinclude> them
[06:48:14] <Splarka>	or <!-- --> to eat linebreaks in output but keep the code readable
[06:48:24] <Splarka>	{{#if:foo|bar}}<!--
[06:48:27] <Splarka>	-->{{#if:foo|bar}}<!--
[06:48:28] <Daedalus969>	well, currently I have the code includeonly'd
[06:48:31] <Splarka>	etc
[06:48:50] <Splarka>	are the linebreaks in the template or in the template call as parameters?
[06:49:08] <Daedalus969>	let me start from the top,
[06:50:09] <Daedalus969>	I have a map template, this template works with an image.  When a certain page exists, a flag appears on a certain part of the map.  To make things easier to read and find, I stuffed the css into a template
[06:51:00] <Daedalus969>	to use the template, it's: {{Flag|pagelink|flagcolor|left position|top position}}
[06:51:59] <Daedalus969>	however,
[06:51:59] <Splarka>	where is the whitespace prob?
[06:52:27] <Daedalus969>	when this template is used, even if I put them one after the other, it still creates a line break
[06:53:05] <Daedalus969>	the result is a huge amount of whitespace below the map
[06:53:34] <Daedalus969>	I've only managed to fix it by substituting all the templates, and deleting any line breaks.
[06:53:46] <Daedalus969>	which equates to about 153kb of code
[06:54:01] <Daedalus969>	and well.. it's hard to find what you're looking for
[06:54:57] <Splarka>	is it in a <table> and/or {| wikitable |} at all?
[06:55:13] <Daedalus969>	no
[06:55:56] <Mathieu1>	good night all. it's 2255 here in SF.
[06:56:04] <Daedalus969>	wrong button
[06:56:09] <Daedalus969>	as I was saying,
[06:56:20] <Daedalus969>	would you like me to link you to the template?
[06:56:23] <Splarka>	k
[06:56:36] <Daedalus969>	sorry, but for clarification, is that a yes?
[06:57:33] <Splarka>	yeah
[06:57:39] <Daedalus969>	alright,
[07:12:41] <p858snake>	<Mathieu1> p858snake: you, you work for them, right? or they pay you to put their name on forums...  just kidding, I'll seriously look into it <no, but the owner is in another irc channel that i'm in
[07:12:53] <p858snake>	oh, hes gone
[07:24:43] <sherrod>	hi guys
[07:24:54] <sherrod>	I have a question about the FramedVideo extension
[07:25:11] <sherrod>	does anyone know if there is a way to embed videos from myspace?
[07:25:17] <sherrod>	It's not listed there, but I am wondering if there is a workaround
[07:25:21] <_wooz>	lo
[07:46:18] <Morder>	how can i disable user creation/anon editing of mediawiki or where can i find the information for that?
[07:47:55] <agaran>	Morder: $wgGroupPermissions['*'    ]['createaccount']   = false; $wgGroupPermissions['*'    ]['edit']            = false;
[07:48:08] <agaran>	Morder: and few others if you like to limit createpage/createtalkpage for anonusers too
[07:48:40] <Morder>	i see, cool - i'm interested in limiting all editing of anon users :)
[07:49:16] <agaran>	Could anyone tell me if some extension which allow to automate page-move requests exist? ie, i dont like that ordinary user can move pages between namespaces so simplest way is to limit all movements, but that require some tool which aid to automate movement requests
[07:50:06] <agaran>	does something like that exist, please excuse my poor english
[07:50:32] <Morder>	wish i knew anything to help you after you helped me...
[07:51:54] <agaran>	no problem, i will find my solution someday i think
[07:52:37] <p858snake>	tried checking [[Extension_Matrix]] (slightly outdated afaik) or [[Category:Extensions]]?
[07:53:50] <agaran>	p858snake: trying, tried search and didnt found anything, maybe bad query :-)
[07:57:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10catlow)
[08:05:18] <Daedalus969>	Does anyone know of a way, or an extension, to cause an image to move from one location to another as time passes?
[08:06:02] <Daedalus969>	Say, an object starts at point A, then after 3 days, it reaches point B
[08:06:24] <Daedalus969>	both points can be defined in the function/template
[08:07:47] <Daedalus969>	currently my brainstorm is using  a sine function to create a line of movement, and have pixels added or subtracted based on the direction of movement, which of course would be defined by another param
[08:08:05] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words
[08:08:28] <Splarka>	but it will be broken-ish by cache
[08:08:33] <Splarka>	the finest gradient is 1 hour
[08:08:47] <Splarka>	see {{CURRENTHOUR}}, you can for example...
[08:09:02] <Splarka>	{{#switch:{{CURRENTHOUR}}|0=foo|1=bar|2=baz ...
[08:09:07] <Daedalus969>	right, but what I'm still having trouble with is the basic idea of movement
[08:09:21] <Splarka>	well, when you say "image to move"...
[08:09:35] <Splarka>	you mean in an absolute position object, inside a relative position object?
[08:09:50] <Splarka>	are you tracking satellite orbits on an imagemap? heh
[08:10:01] <Daedalus969>	sort of,
[08:10:14] <Daedalus969>	we actually already have something like that
[08:10:43] <Splarka>	<div style="position:absolute;top:{{top|...}}px;left:{{left|...}}px">[[image...]]</div>
[08:10:50] <Daedalus969>	what we need is, the specified start location, and end location for our chosen icon to start from, and travel to, over a period of days
[08:10:53] <Splarka>	or some template calls.. that do the {{#switch}}
[08:11:16] <Splarka>	hmm, or #expr in that case
[08:11:21] <Splarka>	or rather both
[08:11:38] <Splarka>	see also #time 
[08:11:45] <Daedalus969>	I believe my current idea is something like..
[08:12:15] <Splarka>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions
[08:13:10] <Daedalus969>	well, without going through the code, but, the concept,
[08:13:20] <Daedalus969>	left=x, top=y
[08:14:04] <Daedalus969>	given the start location in x and y, a line is created using a sine function in the direction of x2 and y2
[08:15:09] <Daedalus969>	although the line won't exist in a tangible sense, it will be there in of the sine equation, calculating the changes in pixels in order for the icon to appear to travel along a line
[08:15:29] <Splarka>	.. I don't think #expr supports trig
[08:15:36] <Daedalus969>	it actually does
[08:15:55] <Daedalus969>	it's in help:calculations
[08:16:11] <Daedalus969>	there's a link at the bottom of the help page for parser functions
[08:16:26] <Splarka>	sheesh
[08:16:35] <Splarka>	well, then do that
[08:16:38] <Daedalus969>	but anyway
[08:16:48] <Splarka>	use #time, calculate the seconds from your start date to end date...
[08:17:01] <Splarka>	use a #switch to find out of the current time is outside or inside those two points
[08:17:09] <Splarka>	if before, put the icon at the start, if after put it at the end...
[08:17:26] <Splarka>	if in the middle, calculate the X/Y...
[08:17:49] <Splarka>	and have this template inside the div style="" tag, and return ...top:{{}};left:{{}}...
[08:19:01] <Daedalus969>	I was thinking something along the lines of,
[08:19:59] <Daedalus969>	when xO(x for the object that's moving) and yO are equal to or greater than x2 and y2, then it would replace the equation with x2 and y2
[08:21:48] <Daedalus969>	hopefully when our admin is feeling better(he's sick atm), I can contact him in regards to the math
[08:22:11] <Daedalus969>	once I have the equation for calculating the path, maybe I can try and formulate the code
[08:22:26] <Daedalus969>	I have a basic idea in my mind, but that's about it
[08:23:35] <Daedalus969>	%C10 test
[08:23:37] <Daedalus969>	drat
[08:23:44] <Daedalus969>	I have no idea how to do colors on chatzilla
[08:23:59] <Splarka>	don
[08:24:10] <Splarka>	't abuse colors, oops
[08:24:25] <agaran>	i wonder when mw syntax will support symbolic algebra solving or calculating complex polynomials.. we then don't need any matlab like thingies..everything will be on mw
[08:24:36] <Splarka>	...
[08:24:39] <Daedalus969>	it's not about abuse.  I was thinking of other applications for them
[08:24:50] <Splarka>	agaran: tim will stab you if you say that too loudly
[08:24:56] <Daedalus969>	[[Extension:Variable]]
[08:25:00] <Splarka>	http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Beware_of_dev.svg
[08:25:07] <Daedalus969>	there may be an s in there
[08:25:27] <Splarka>	he wrote the ParserFunctions extension and hates all the crap that keeps getting requested of it
[08:25:48] <agaran>	Splarka: :D i wont repeat then
[08:26:08] <agaran>	Splarka: but that would be an serious improvement on functionality
[08:26:38] <Splarka>	a serious perversion of intended use
[08:26:40] <Daedalus969>	Aga,
[08:26:42] <Daedalus969>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:VariablesExtension
[08:27:25] <agaran>	Splarka: too, am quiet now about such features.
[08:27:57] <agaran>	Daedalus969: i don't like to be stabbed
[08:28:15] <Splarka>	heh
[08:28:18] <Daedalus969>	I'm confused,
[08:28:25] <Splarka>	well, he doesn't care about VariablesExtension because it isn't on Wikimedia
[08:28:32] <Splarka>	people can suggest all the parser functions they want
[08:28:36] <Daedalus969>	is this concerning WP, or your own wiki?
[08:28:57] <Splarka>	hmm
[08:29:04] <Daedalus969>	cuz if it's your own wiki....  why not just install the extension?
[08:29:49] <sherrod>	Is there a way to prevent the table of contents from showing up?
[08:29:52] <agaran>	Daedalus969: on my personal wiki i can do any hacks i like as its mostly availablefrom home lan or vpn..
[08:29:59] <sherrod>	Or making it collapsed by default on a certain article?
[08:30:49] <agaran>	but for company wiki i need to find some extensions without success
[08:30:50] <Splarka>	sherrod: __NOTOC__ on a page
[08:31:36] <sherrod>	Splarka: thanks! that is exactly that I needed.
[08:32:00] <Daedalus969>	so this is concerning wikipedia, or do you just want http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:VariablesExtension to be integrated into WM?
[08:32:58] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Unlist stale cashed special pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16463 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (bugzilla.wikimedia)
[08:34:33] <Splarka>	Daedalus969, how about something like this
[08:34:47] <Splarka>	{{#ifexpr:{{#time:U}} > 1227169223 OR {{#time:U}} < 1228033223|
[08:34:48] <Splarka>	top:{{#expr:sin((1228033223 - {{#time:U}}) / 864000 * 2 * pi)}};left:{{#expr:cos((1228033223 - {{#time:U}}) / 864000 * 2 * pi)}}
[08:34:48] <Splarka>	|out of bounds}}
[08:35:21] <Splarka>	two dates, 10 days apart, and the fraction of your current location in that 10 day span, and the sine and cosine coordinates of that fraction
[08:36:00] <Splarka>	and an error if outside that date (that can be changed to a second #ifexpr returning the first coordinates and last coordinates depending on which way)
[08:36:45] <Splarka>	I don't know what your formula requirements are, but I think you can adapt from that?
[08:37:43] <Splarka>	so for example, that's november 20th and 30th...
[08:37:55] *Daedalus969 	isn't that good at math >.>
[08:37:59] <Splarka>	{{#expr:((1228033223 - {{#time:U}}) / 864000)}} returns 0.39881018518519 which means we're at .39 left until Nov 30th
[08:38:09] <Splarka>	(I convert to radians for the trig though)
[08:38:13] <Splarka>	heh, okay, well show that to your admin
[08:38:31] <Daedalus969>	send it to me at Daedalus969 at gmail.com
[08:38:31] <Splarka>	b/ahl
[08:38:38] <Daedalus969>	I think your post cut
[08:38:38] <Splarka>	blah, even, that's too much work
[08:38:49] <Splarka>	nah, was annoyed! heh
[08:39:01] <Splarka>	unless your chatzilla is wonky
[08:39:02] <Daedalus969>	no, i mean the code post
[08:39:11] <Splarka>	which part?
[08:39:23] <Daedalus969>	just after the bugzilla report
[08:39:37] <Splarka>	looks fine in the log
[08:39:41] <Splarka>	here, bookmark this then: http://toolserver.org/~amidaniel/chanlogs/%23mediawiki/20081126.txt
[08:39:53] <Splarka>	that is our conversation
[08:40:10] <Daedalus969>	oh
[08:40:14] <Daedalus969>	guess it didn't cut
[08:40:43] <Splarka>	hmm
[08:40:52] *Splarka 	ponders making a clock face in parserfunctions
[08:41:16] <Daedalus969>	that's possible..  but, is it possible in real time?
[08:41:21] <Daedalus969>	or will you have to refresh the page?
[08:41:24] <Splarka>	if you action=purge a lot
[08:41:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10s.r.e.turner)
[08:41:50] <agaran>	Splarka: :D maybe something like pressure gauge displaying how much users are admins or stub/article ratio;)
[08:41:59] <Daedalus969>	ha
[08:42:03] <Daedalus969>	that would be cool
[08:42:34] <Splarka>	...weirdoes
[08:42:37] <Daedalus969>	hrm
[08:42:46] <Splarka>	a fuel gauge, heh
[08:43:17] <agaran>	not really i rather mean old fashioned brass pressure gauge, like in old steam based rail..
[08:43:38] <agaran>	or at least nixie tube display.. not led/oled/lcd one ;D
[08:43:57] <Daedalus969>	alright,
[08:44:06] <Daedalus969>	the admin thing, I don't see happening,
[08:44:15] <Daedalus969>	but the stub/article ratio would be nice
[08:44:18] <Splarka>	http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/SoupsMan/Farkish/PUNCH.jpg
[08:44:42] <Daedalus969>	such as....
[08:44:53] <Daedalus969>	is there a way to find out how many stubs there are?
[08:45:22] <Daedalus969>	sure, there's a call for total articles, but what about total stubs?
[08:45:30] <Splarka>	there might be a magic word or something on Statistics
[08:45:39] <Splarka>	really, I've never cared about 'stub' classification
[08:45:56] <Splarka>	to me it is like seeing a fountain 'whites only', small articles are articles too
[08:45:58] <Daedalus969>	I could see this as a switch
[08:46:06] <Daedalus969>	10-0-10
[08:46:10] <agaran>	Splarka: you mean that you like to punch me?:)
[08:46:14] <Daedalus969>	left is red, right is green
[08:46:20] <Splarka>	agaran: sometimes!
[08:46:23] <Splarka>	heh
[08:46:33] <Daedalus969>	needle position is calculated by ...
[08:46:49] <agaran>	Splarka: fortunatelly even ipv6 dont let to transfer matter..yet
[08:47:19] <agaran>	Splarka: but i try to talk less here if i annoy much
[08:48:36] <Daedalus969>	a complicated switch
[08:48:46] <Daedalus969>	if articles are greater than stubs,
[08:49:09] <Daedalus969>	divide articles by stubs, and if the end result is in a certain range, the image for the needle at a certain position is displayed
[08:49:24] <Daedalus969>	same for vise-versa
[08:49:33] <Splarka>	well
[08:50:00] <Splarka>	you'd have a gauge at zero, and have a logarithmic scale either direction for 90 degrees
[08:50:31] <Splarka>	all stubs ------------- balanced ------------- all articles   in a 180 degree curve
[08:50:40] <Daedalus969>	right, 10-0-10
[08:50:43] <Splarka>	red to yellow to green
[08:50:54] <Daedalus969>	or that
[08:50:55] <Splarka>	well... 1/0 ------ 1/1 -------- 0/1
[08:51:05] <Splarka>	or sommat
[08:51:10] <Daedalus969>	ya
[08:51:18] <Splarka>	but adjusted for drama
[08:51:24] <Splarka>	so even a tiny imbalance causes it to swing
[08:51:30] <Daedalus969>	pffft
[08:51:40] <Daedalus969>	|drama=yes
[08:51:48] <Splarka>	but 10 stubs to 10000 articles and 100 stubs to 10000 articles isn't much difference
[08:52:04] <Daedalus969>	divide it again
[08:52:08] <Daedalus969>	by a constant value
[08:52:40] <Splarka>	... what a silly conversation
[08:52:49] <agaran>	log(stub/pages) ?
[08:52:56] <Daedalus969>	what else is there to talk about?
[08:52:58] <Splarka>	especially since it would take a lot of mini <div>s to make the pixels for a needle
[08:53:15] <Daedalus969>	but would we really need all that?
[08:53:24] <Daedalus969>	why not say...
[08:53:35] <agaran>	isn't possible to just scale images?
[08:53:52] <Splarka>	sure, but the needle on a nice arc pressure gauge points..
[08:53:54] <Splarka>	you can't scale an angle
[08:54:00] <Daedalus969>	Sp,
[08:54:08] <Daedalus969>	why not just use 20 needles?
[08:54:13] <Splarka>	imprecise!@
[08:54:16] <Daedalus969>	21* needles
[08:54:24] <Splarka>	defeats the whole purpose of finding a reason to use trig in parserfunctions
[08:54:31] <Splarka>	you could just do algebra and switch images
[08:54:49] <Daedalus969>	we want rotatable images!
[08:55:02] <Daedalus969>	n.n
[08:55:04] <agaran>	hmm, weird idea, genreating svg?
[08:55:30] <Daedalus969>	generating an svg
[08:55:37] <Daedalus969>	hrm
[08:55:45] <agaran>	#my_element { -webkit-transform: rotate(90deg);
[08:55:49] <Splarka>	currently you must upload one to render it
[08:55:50] <agaran>	or such trick in css?
[08:56:06] <Splarka>	but I'm working on a way to hook the svg renderer with non-uploaded content
[08:56:08] <Splarka>	which would be awesome
[08:56:10] <agaran>	-moz-transform: rotate(90deg) and that for mozilla/safari
[08:56:17] <Splarka>	(well, working on a way to convince brion to allow it)
[08:56:30] <Splarka>	imagine sending svg xml to the API and getting back an image!
[08:56:54] <Splarka>	-webkit I think is proprietary ^_^
[08:57:07] <agaran>	Splarka: but -moz-transform: rather not
[08:57:14] <Daedalus969>	of course,
[08:57:26] <Daedalus969>	we could skip all of that if we were given the ability to rotate images
[08:57:44] <Daedalus969>	and not just by 1s or 10s, but by 10ths and 100ths
[08:57:55] <Daedalus969>	maybe..
[08:57:57] <Daedalus969>	>.>
[08:58:11] <Splarka>	10 digit decimal precision
[08:58:25] <Splarka>	or, 64 bit floating point math! yah, that's the ticket
[08:58:46] <agaran>	Splarka: forgot about complex numbers and quaternions?
[08:59:01] <Splarka>	sheesh, for a pressure gauge it should be enough
[08:59:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10catlow)
[08:59:16] <Splarka>	... that bug will never die
[08:59:30] <Daedalus969>	what bug?
[08:59:39] <Daedalus969>	the bug just displayed,
[08:59:41] <Splarka>	4582
[08:59:42] <Daedalus969>	or a bug in the bot?
[08:59:50] <agaran>	Splarka: immortal bug?
[08:59:51] <Splarka>	"learn UTC!"
[08:59:54] <Splarka>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582
[08:59:59] <Splarka>	cockroach
[09:02:10] <Daedalus969>	nuke it with bill gates
[09:03:51] <Daedalus969>	hrm
[09:03:54] <Daedalus969>	getting tired
[09:12:39] <Daedalus969>	well
[09:12:41] <Daedalus969>	night
[09:12:51] <agaran>	night Daedalus969 (here is 10am)
[09:25:51] <riz_>	Hello. I'm following this document http://www.steverumberg.com/wiki/index.php?title=WikiHelp_-_Method_Two for duplicate my wiki but I get an error
[09:26:08] <riz_>	Warning: require_once(./includes/Defines.php) [function.require-once]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /usr/share/mediawiki/includes/WebStart.php on line 73
[09:26:22] <riz_>	Could someone please help me?
[09:26:49] <Laaknor>	does the file exists and does the webserver have read-access to the file?
[09:27:07] <Laaknor>	ls -la /usr/share/mediawiki/includes/WebStart.php
[09:27:19] <riz_>	Laaknor yes because my first wiki works fine.
[09:29:14] <riz_>	Laaknor it's in /usr/share/mediawiki/includes/Defines.php
[09:31:18] <Duesentrieb>	riz_: most likely, the working directory of the seconds wiki isn't what it should be. or rather... for /usr/share/mediawiki/includes/Defines.php to work the CWP would have to be /usr/share/mediawiki - which it's usually not going to be, when this is invoked from the web.
[09:31:24] <Duesentrieb>	no idea how it's set up for the first wiki
[09:31:53] <Duesentrieb>	anyway... having mediawiki installed outside the documentroot is not standard procedure, and thus not really supported.
[09:32:02] <Duesentrieb>	so... complain to whoever put it there :)
[09:32:07] <yksinaisyyteni>	but wikimedia does that ;)
[09:32:19] <riz_>	Duesentrieb I'm using debian packages
[09:32:38] <Duesentrieb>	riz_: complain to the package maintainer then.
[09:33:07] <Duesentrieb>	yksinaisyyteni: i'm not going to give supprot to wikimedia site admins anyway :P
[09:34:02] <werdnum>	We're clever enough to do it.
[09:34:11] <werdnum>	Or rather, YOU're clever enough.
[09:34:32] <yksinaisyyteni>	all it does is <? chdir("/path/to/real/mediawiki"); include("index.php"); ?>
[09:34:44] <yksinaisyyteni>	no idea why everyone else comes up with all these overcomplicated ways of doing it
[09:36:20] <DarkriftX>	how do i edit the rights of a group?
[09:36:35] <DarkriftX>	eg i want it so only "users" can edit the wiki (getting lots of spam)
[09:37:41] <Laaknor>	DarkriftX: $wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit'] = false;
[09:37:46] <Laaknor>	$wgGroupPermissions['user']['edit'] = true;
[09:37:50] <Laaknor>	in LocalSettings.php
[09:38:01] <DarkriftX>	ahh, thats what i needed
[09:38:05] <DarkriftX>	thought i could do it from the wiki itself
[09:38:27] <Splarka>	sure, start blocking all /16 ranges with [x] block anonymous users only
[09:38:33] <Splarka>	^sarcasm
[09:39:25] <Laaknor>	I believe that my way is a lot easier than 64k blocks
[09:39:41] <Laaknor>	;)
[09:40:26] <werdnum>	Laaknor: ahem, 66k.
[09:40:45] <yksinaisyyteni>	66k?
[09:40:54] <Splarka>	65536, but several blocks are unassigned and several are reserved
[09:41:00] <werdnum>	65, 535
[09:41:05] <yksinaisyyteni>	65535 = 64k
[09:41:11] <werdnum>	is not.
[09:41:12] <DarkriftX>	Laaknor: i need to add those? i dont see them in there currently
[09:41:21] <Laaknor>	DarkriftX: yes
[09:41:23] <Splarka>	0-65535 = 65536
[09:41:24] <DarkriftX>	thx
[09:41:29] <Splarka>	http://xkcd.com/195/
[09:41:31] <yksinaisyyteni>	werdnum: 1024*64
[09:41:44] <Splarka>	2^16 = 65536
[09:41:44] <werdnum>	yksinaisyyteni: yeah, but we're not measuring data, we're counting
[09:41:53] <yksinaisyyteni>	werdnum: you don't count in base 2?
[09:41:55] <werdnum>	k, when not talking about data, means "thousand"
[09:41:59] <Laaknor>	you can exclude RFC1918 IP-ranges, but that's just more work; easier just blocking them too
[09:42:18] <werdnum>	yksinaisyyteni: When you buy a home and they tell you it costs 100k, do you give them $102, 400?
[09:43:12] <Laaknor>	with taxes, it's probably more like $110000 here in Norway, so, I'd probably give that
[09:43:12] <Splarka>	class action lawsuits have succeeded against RAM and Harddrive sellers for advertising in k but measuring in *1000
[09:43:29] <Splarka>	(more confusing they often measure in 1024*1000 megabytes)
[09:43:48] <Splarka>	(= megabytes)
[09:44:28] <werdnum>	Laaknor: :P
[09:44:35] <werdnum>	they advertise with-taxes for most stuff in AU
[09:44:40] <werdnum>	property being an exception, I think.
[09:44:45] <Splarka>	the US is annoying that way
[09:44:58] <Splarka>	prices should *include* tax dammit
[09:45:41] <werdnum>	and wtf is this 8.25% tax crap?
[09:45:47] <werdnum>	Srsly gaiz... 10%
[09:46:00] <Splarka>	at least we have no federal sales tax, yet
[09:46:01] <yksinaisyyteni>	Splarka: but in the US, you don't pay sales tax on interstate purchased as purchase time
[09:46:06] <yksinaisyyteni>	so including sales tax would be confusing
[09:46:12] <Splarka>	but we have state and municipal levels
[09:46:33] <Splarka>	yksinaisyyteni: actually, there is no legal exemption from interstate sales tax, but there is just no way to enforce it, so it is ignored
[09:46:39] <werdnum>	whee
[09:46:46] <Splarka>	there are some laws, like out of state car purchases
[09:46:57] <yksinaisyyteni>	Splarka: i was under the impression it's meant to be paid in your end of year taxes
[09:47:24] <Splarka>	something like that, but businesses write it off and personal property isn't checked
[09:47:33] <Splarka>	(or something, meh)
[09:47:57] <yksinaisyyteni>	they're going to reduce VAT by 2.5% here in a week... i should've waited till then instead of spending 300 quid yesterday ;)
[09:48:16] <Splarka>	werd: federal income tax, state income tax (some), state sales tax (some), city-level sales tax (some), property tax... you'll love the US
[09:48:39] <werdnum>	sigh.
[09:48:44] <Splarka>	Alaska is the only state with no sales or income tax, some cities (collections of huts) have a sales tax though
[09:48:48] <werdnum>	yksinaisyyteni: oh, you say 'quid'. How cute.
[09:48:55] *werdnum 	ducks.
[09:48:58] <Splarka>	guilders! guineas!
[09:49:01] <wiki_rookie>	hi al
[09:49:02] <wiki_rookie>	l
[09:49:05] <yksinaisyyteni>	werdnum: my compose key doesn't work in windows
[09:49:13] <werdnum>	yksinaisyyteni: why are you in windows?
[09:49:22] <yksinaisyyteni>	werdnum: securecrt
[09:52:31] <yksinaisyyteni>	(also, VS, as i'm writing my own ssh client)
[09:55:10] <wiki_rookie>	hi, do you know any kind of support documentation wich i could as a training during formation ?
[10:02:08] <Norsys>	Hi
[10:04:48] <Laaknor>	hello
[10:22:29] <werdnum>	yksinaisyyteni: you use Visual Studio?
[10:44:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable FlaggedRevs custom configuration on Russian Wikiquote - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14863  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[10:46:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable FlaggedRevs custom configuration on Russian Wikiquote - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14863  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[11:06:35] <S-i-A>	how can block Mygroup to edit special pages like Main_Page, About us?
[11:09:43] <S-i-A>	but however can create new page
[11:12:44] <werdnum>	!access | S-i-A 
[11:12:44] --mwbot--	S-i-A: For information on customizing user access, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights>. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access>.
[11:17:51] <S-i-A>	werdnum: if giv me this answer from wiki self, that is not support, i have this link and i dont understand "How allow MyGroup to create page but not edit existed page like Main_page, Aboutus..etc" ?
[11:18:45] <werdnum>	I don't know what you mean by "if giv me this answer from wiki self, that is not support", but it sounds a bit demanding, so I'm going to ignore it.
[11:18:54] <werdnum>	If you want people to be able to create pages, you should give them the 'create' right.
[11:19:06] <werdnum>	If you don't want people to be able to edit pages, you should remove the 'edit' right.
[11:19:42] <S-i-A>	werdum create or createpage?
[11:19:59] <werdnum>	Let me check.
[11:21:08] <werdnum>	'createpage'.
[11:22:02] <S-i-A>	but i do that, Mygroupe can't create new page?
[11:22:35] <werdnum>	What exactly have you done?
[11:24:10] <S-i-A>	werdnum: http://paste.debian.net/22272/
[11:25:27] <werdnum>	S-i-A: just looking.
[11:26:05] <S-i-A>	what :)
[11:26:40] <werdnum>	S-i-A: The code says you can say that a group can edit but not create, but you can't do the opposite.
[11:26:44] <werdnum>	You need to be able to edit to create.
[11:27:28] <S-i-A>	but if able Edit werdnum, MyGroupe can edit the Main_page and about us pages to
[11:27:35] <werdnum>	protect them.
[11:27:55] <werdnum>	If you're logged in as an admin, you can protect those pages from editing using the [protect] tab at the top.
[11:28:15] <S-i-A>	protect tab
[11:28:18] <S-i-A>	ok
[11:29:57] <S-i-A>	werdnum: thnk u very much
[11:30:00] <S-i-A>	:)
[11:33:45] <S-i-A>	can i disable IP by History?
[11:33:58] <werdnum>	I can't parse that question. Can you rephrase it?
[11:34:51] <S-i-A>	ok by Hostory display the last edit with IP the user, i will just hide the ip
[11:35:23] <S-i-A>	Hostory=History 
[11:36:45] <werdnum>	You don't want IP addresses in the page history?
[11:37:16] <S-i-A>	yes 
[11:37:27] <werdnum>	I don't think MediaWiki supports that.
[11:37:38] <werdnum>	You have to attribute anonymous edits *somehow*
[11:37:51] <S-i-A>	ok but can i disable History?
[11:43:03] <werdnum>	you should be able to.
[11:43:07] <werdnum>	there's a config var for it.
[11:43:17] <werdnum>	!wg DisabledActions | S-i-A 
[11:43:17] --mwbot--	S-i-A: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgDisabledActions
[11:43:34] <werdnum>	$wgDisabledActions[] = 'history';
[11:43:51] <werdnum>	If you're not interested in history, though, maybe you should find another CMS...
[11:45:39] <S-i-A>	werdnum: thannks
[11:46:16] <S-i-A>	werdum i will disable it just for * . not for all. thanks
[11:46:21] <S-i-A>	u r the best
[11:56:21] <werdnum>	I know.
[11:56:30] <yksinaisyyteni>	werdnum: yes
[11:56:47] <werdnum>	yksinaisyyteni: ew.
[11:56:53] <werdnum>	too bloaty for me
[11:56:58] <yksinaisyyteni>	it's better than anything available on unix for large program development
[11:59:34] <werdnum>	yksinaisyyteni: kate :)
[12:00:54] <ialex>	werdnum: so no opposition to have a empty by default $wgConfigureEditableSettings?
[12:01:04] <yksinaisyyteni>	although i can't use the Qt VS integration with the open source qt, which is lame ;(
[12:01:06] <werdnum>	ialex: oh, you *are* here.
[12:01:13] <werdnum>	No, not really.
[12:01:17] <ialex>	werdnum: :)
[12:01:25] <werdnum>	except it's really ugly with all those settins.
[12:01:27] <werdnum>	settings*
[12:01:47] <werdnum>	ialex: Horizontal screen res seems to be at a premium. Can we move the toc somewhere else?
[12:02:27] <werdnum>	ialex: btw, where do you live? I'm travelling next year, and if I'm nearby, I owe you a beer for helping me out with this stuff :)
[12:02:51] <ialex>	werdnum: Switzerland
[12:03:24] <werdnum>	hmm, I always thought you were Russian.
[12:03:24] <werdnum>	:P
[12:03:30] <werdnum>	maybe I'm confusing you with Victor
[12:04:01] <Splarka>	werd: remember to design it while keeping in mind that Jimmy might want this useable on an iPhone-size device to show off mediawiki/wikipedia
[12:04:11] <werdnum>	hahaha
[12:04:12] <Splarka>	horizontal screen res indeed
[12:04:14] <werdnum>	thanks Splarka :P
[12:04:16] <ialex>	why does about everybody think I'm russian? :D
[12:04:24] <werdnum>	ialex: I dunno, it's the name maybe?
[12:04:25] <werdnum>	:)
[12:04:43] <ialex>	werdnum: is "alex" that russian? :)
[12:05:11] *werdnum 	shrugs.
[12:05:39] <werdnum>	ialex: I think I will be going through Swisse, I have to go from Roma to London by surface.
[12:08:44] *werdnum 	stalks ialex.
[12:08:50] <werdnum>	ialex: What do you think about the toc?
[12:09:12] <ialex>	werdnum: this is the big problem :)
[12:09:20] <werdnum>	Also, how can I put editing user/reason in handler-files
[12:09:40] <werdnum>	(for that, I was thinking of treating it as "just another setting" and filtering it out.
[12:09:50] <werdnum>	ialex: we could do tabs, but I think there are too many :/
[12:10:05] <ialex>	some __meta stuff
[12:11:00] <werdnum>	okay, same idea as me, except I wanted to put it just as 'user_name', 'user_wiki', 'reason' and trust it won't conflict because settings start with wg
[12:11:43] <lch>	does somebody have the "Ajax Show Editors" extension active on a Wiki somewhere?
[12:11:56] <ialex>	werdnum: i would put it in place of a wiki name
[12:12:25] <ialex>	since there're all wikis in each file
[12:12:34] <ialex>	horrible, I know :)
[12:12:42] <werdnum>	mmmm
[12:12:51] <werdnum>	we could have '__info' as a wiki name
[12:12:54] <werdnum>	and have settings under that.
[12:13:11] <werdnum>	also, we should move default location for conf.ser files
[12:13:17] <werdnum>	Brion said in his email:
[12:13:35] <werdnum>	Complete configuration data can be accessed via the web by pulling
[12:13:35] <werdnum>	serialized/conf-now.ser. This is a little worrying:
[12:13:36] <werdnum>	...s:8:"wgDBname";s:9:"shortwiki";s:12:"wgDBpassword";s:7:"...
[12:13:45] <ialex>	there's a lot of warnings about everywhere
[12:14:11] <werdnum>	Maybe we should have no default location and force user to find somewhere safe? :)
[12:16:07] <ialex>	werdnum: btw, now the ten versions show at the top of Special:Configure are the ten oldest and not newest :(
[12:16:14] <ialex>	+n
[12:16:16] <werdnum>	oh, oops.
[12:16:31] <werdnum>	let me fix that :)
[12:16:35] <ialex>	since you reversed the arrays :)
[12:16:58] <ialex>	if you need, first cut, then reverse :P
[12:18:33] <werdnum>	no, doing it the other way
[12:18:36] <werdnum>	reversing, then cutting.
[12:18:40] <werdnum>	;)
[12:19:12] <werdnum>	also, wtf? now the toc has scrollbars.
[12:19:17] <werdnum>	I must have done that...
[12:19:35] <agaran>	if i create some custom right, and assign it to few groups, is possible to add descriptive text which will be used in Mediawiki:Userrights?
[12:19:45] <werdnum>	hmm, only in Chrome.
[12:19:57] <werdnum>	agaran: you mean a custom group?
[12:20:42] <ialex>	MediaWiki:Group-<group>, MediaWiki:Group-<group>-member, MediaWiki:Grouppage-<group> iirc
[12:20:54] <agaran>	werdnum: not group, userright custom
[12:21:03] <werdnum>	agaran: then why MediaWiki:Userrights?
[12:21:07] <agaran>	$wgNamespaceProtection[NS_IT] = array ( 'editit'); 
[12:21:08] <Splarka>	agaran: rights don't appear in Userrights
[12:21:14] <Splarka>	only groups
[12:21:16] <werdnum>	Assuming you mean Special:Userrights, it *still* won't appear there.
[12:21:21] <werdnum>	Do you mean Special:ListGroupRights?
[12:21:25] <agaran>	it appear if it $wgGroupPermissions['userit']['editit'] = true;
[12:21:26] <werdnum>	If so, right-<right>
[12:21:35] <werdnum>	agaran: yeah, but the userit is a group.
[12:21:47] <werdnum>	you want group-<group< group-<group>-member, etc.
[12:22:09] <agaran>	werdnum: ok, thank you, found what i need, it was MW:right-editit
[12:22:10] *Splarka 	waits for bug "Special:UserRights should be UserGroups"...
[12:22:20] <agaran>	Splarka: :P
[12:22:24] <werdnum>	Splarka: I already changed that in a branch.
[12:22:36] <werdnum>	but it doesn't look like that branch will evar be reviewed.
[12:22:39] <Splarka>	agaran: that will only show in Special:ListGroupRights
[12:22:42] <werdnum>	because of this Special:Configure stuff.
[12:22:46] <Splarka>	heh
[12:22:58] *werdnum 	sighs.
[12:22:59] <agaran>	Splarka: ok, maybe i mistranslated page name
[12:23:01] <werdnum>	It was such a good system.
[12:23:15] <werdnum>	agaran: group-<group>, group-<group>-member
[12:23:24] <Splarka>	so stop being such a whore and stand by your morals, do it for free and you can choose your time
[12:23:30] *Splarka 	hides
[12:24:03] <agaran>	Splarka: i use polish wiki, and when asking here am translating page titles back to en.. for obvious reasons..
[12:24:17] <Splarka>	ahh k
[12:24:22] <werdnum>	Splarka: It's not a matter of how *I* spend my time, it's a matter of how *Brion* spends his time.
[12:24:32] <werdnum>	review time.
[12:24:37] <werdnum>	and it's a 2,000 line patch.
[12:24:45] <Splarka>	right, but you could be spending the time you're paid to work on this configure extension...
[12:24:52] <Splarka>	instead bugging him to review your branches
[12:25:09] <Splarka>	agaran: you can view any Special: page source and check wgCanonicalSpecialPageName for the default title
[12:28:26] *werdnum 	throws rocks at Splarka 
[12:28:41] <werdnum>	I have an overseas trip to finance :)
[12:29:39] <agaran>	Splarka: it might be faster, and even less error prone
[12:29:40] *Splarka 	watches them splash into the ocean harmlessly somewhere near Hawaii
[12:29:49] <werdnum>	Splarka: where *do* you live?
[12:30:16] <Splarka>	heh, a few hours inland from San Francisco
[12:30:26] <werdnum>	whee
[12:30:34] <Splarka>	no, you can't visit me, too far from airports
[12:30:41] <Splarka>	I know you want to
[12:30:41] <agaran>	:D
[12:30:44] <werdnum>	haha
[12:32:38] *Splarka 	senses a "but it is {{num}}am there!" statement hovering on werd's tongue
[12:32:53] <werdnum>	yeah, when *do* you sleep?
[12:34:11] <Splarka>	whenever (insomnia sucks)
[12:34:50] <agaran>	or there is cluster which use single identity on network and cluster of borg never sleeps..
[12:35:55] <werdnum>	Splarka: check out my new website - http://werdn.us
[12:35:56] <werdnum>	whee
[12:36:24] <Splarka>	how empty
[12:36:28] <Splarka>	needs flash ads
[12:36:37] *ialex 	stabs Splarka
[12:37:03] <agaran>	and flashing js banners, scrolling upside down, and popups..flashing divs..
[12:37:21] <werdnum>	heh
[12:37:26] <werdnum>	Do you like the design?
[12:37:52] <ialex>	werdnum: all links result in 404, except the self link :P
[12:37:57] <agaran>	imo yes, and web 2.0 compatibile with round corners *evilgrin*
[12:38:00] <Splarka>	I get a horizontal scroll bar when my window is only 100px wide:(
[12:38:26] <werdnum>	ialex: works fine for me.
[12:38:35] <werdnum>	which link/URL?
[12:39:00] <Splarka>	link color is too close to text, links can be underlined you know.. it isn't web 0.1 to do so
[12:39:07] <werdnum>	yes it is!
[12:39:23] <ialex>	werdnum: login and pastebin
[12:39:36] <ialex>	werdnum: anyway, have to go now
[12:39:42] <ialex>	bye!
[12:39:51] <Splarka>	is okay, I fix.. with poorman's greasemonkey: javascript:void(h = document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0]);void(s = document.createElement('style'));void(s.setAttribute('type','text/css'));void(s.appendChild(document.createTextNode('a {text-decoration:underline !important;}')));void(h.appendChild(s));
[12:40:12] <Splarka>	ahh, nice
[12:40:39] <werdnum>	Splarka: :P
[12:40:49] <Splarka>	no stab?
[12:40:50] <Splarka>	darn
[12:40:53] *Splarka 	puts the gauze away
[12:42:35] <agaran>	lucene is best search engine that is avaiable for mediawiki?
[12:51:32] <Duesentrieb>	agaran: probably, yes.
[12:51:52] <Duesentrieb>	agaran: especially with the customizations of lucene that are used by wikipedia. 
[12:52:02] <Duesentrieb>	i have no idea where to find them or how to set them up though :)
[12:53:37] <agaran>	Duesentrieb: so i will wait if i really need such engine, maybe we can live without it so far, java sounds more ram needed.. \
[12:54:11] <Duesentrieb>	more ram, more setup, more maintenance, etc
[12:55:18] <agaran>	true, and i dont know java at all, so another disadvantage for me
[12:59:19] <agaran>	could somebody point me how (or where to read) fetch data enclosed in some <tag></tag> if that tag is handled by some hook inside that hook?
[12:59:53] <agaran>	or maybe i read some mw sources..
[13:31:09] <ZilverenLepel>	I'm looking for people with knowledge of SQL
[13:36:23] <Laaknor>	you'd probably not find them when you part the channel
[13:36:29] <lch>	:]
[14:07:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) user native getElementsByClassName - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16459  (10hartman)
[14:08:44] <lch>	is there a HTML equivalent for colon, like &nbsp; and &quot; ?
[14:11:19] <yksinaisyyteni>	&#x3A;
[14:20:23] <Norsys>	No one can help me with this error? 
[14:20:25] <Norsys>	Fatal error: Call to undefined function wfProfileIn() in /var/www/includes/Setup.php on line 22
[14:20:49] <Norsys>	after upgrade from 1.6.3 to 1.13.2 I have this error :|
[14:42:38] <agaran>	anyone use Lockdown extension?
[14:55:57] <Duesentrieb>	agaran: please ask a concrete question
[15:13:27] <lch>	yksinaisyyteni, thx
[15:13:58] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Cannot upload files at JAWP for internal error - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16464 major; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (aotakexxx)
[15:43:28] <Touny>	Hello
[15:44:18] <Touny>	I need an overview about wich file uses or includes wich file of the mediawiki (only for mainfiles) ... is there anything like that?
[15:45:15] <Touny>	i tried to do it myself with Manual:Code, but there are many files, wich aren't mentioned
[15:46:28] <btrimmer>	hello all, i'd like to download the mediawiki help:contents as a zip file to be included into a local install of mediawiki. Can someone help me with this? I read on the http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Contents page to ask here. Thanks.
[15:47:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10cyp)
[15:52:09] <Touny>	for example: where are userrights defined?
[15:58:23] <Duesentrieb>	Touny: in the configuration
[15:58:36] <Duesentrieb>	!config | Touny
[15:58:36] --mwbot--	Touny: All configuration is done in LocalSettings.php (near the end of the file). Editing other files means modifying the software. Default settings are not in LocalSettings.php, you can look in DefaultSettings.php. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_MediaWiki>, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:LocalSettings.php>, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Config_script>, and <http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf>
[15:58:52] <Duesentrieb>	!documentation | Touny
[15:58:52] --mwbot--	Touny: An overview of available documentation about MediaWiki can be found at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developer_hub>
[15:59:20] <Touny>	okay thanks
[16:04:56] <S-i-A>	can i disable Special pages for unregistered user with $wgDisabledActions?
[16:08:14] <Duesentrieb>	S-i-A: no.
[16:08:24] <Duesentrieb>	special pages are not actions.
[16:08:33] <Duesentrieb>	but some special pages require users to have a specific right
[16:08:34] <S-i-A>	Duesentrieb: ok thanks
[16:08:50] <Duesentrieb>	they will not be available if you revoke that right from unregistered users. although...
[16:09:07] <Duesentrieb>	well, i think only the special pages that are restricted by default do check any right.
[16:09:19] <Duesentrieb>	Lockdown can be used to prevent access to special pages...
[16:09:59] <S-i-A>	ok and thanks
[16:10:21] <S-i-A>	and can create menu or new link in menu?
[16:10:30] <BigBob85>	hey
[16:10:38] <Duesentrieb>	S-i-A: menu where? on the left?
[16:10:41] <BigBob85>	How can I tell what wiki version I have?
[16:10:42] <Duesentrieb>	!sidebar | S-i-A
[16:10:42] --mwbot--	S-i-A: To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar>.
[16:10:47] <Duesentrieb>	BigBob85: Special:Version
[16:11:15] <BigBob85>	Duesentrieb, i dont follow. Just got FTP access to our wiki, wondering if it needs upgrading.
[16:11:28] <Duesentrieb>	BigBob85: it's a wiki page.
[16:11:32] <Duesentrieb>	just visit it.
[16:11:41] <BigBob85>	also, helps to know what version it is to go edit some settings  listed on media wiki site.
[16:12:08] <Duesentrieb>	yes. so, visit your version page :)
[16:12:16] <BigBob85>	I get ya :D
[16:12:29] <BigBob85>	it says, 1.11.0 so I guess thats time for an uprade.
[16:12:39] <Duesentrieb>	yes
[16:12:41] <Duesentrieb>	!upgrade
[16:12:41] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading
[16:15:41] <BigBob85>	Im going to have to upgrade when I got more time to backup database and such.
[16:15:58] <S-i-A>	Duesentrieb: yes the sidebar link and thanks
[16:16:05] <BigBob85>	Where do I put a setting to prevennt annonymous editing.
[16:16:16] <BigBob85>	the setting is apparently, $wgWhitelistEdit = true;
[16:16:34] <BigBob85>	and I set that in /confiig/index.php
[16:17:04] <BigBob85>	ah, /localSettings.php
[16:18:52] <Platonides>	BigBob85, set permission ['*']['read']=false;
[16:19:35] <BigBob85>	how?
[16:19:42] <Platonides>	it's explained at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgWhitelistEdit
[16:19:53] <Platonides>	"To emulate the old effect of setting:
[16:19:53] <Platonides>	   $wgWhitelistEdit = true;
[16:19:53] <Platonides>	set:
[16:19:53] <Platonides>	   $wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit'] = false;
[16:20:32] <Duesentrieb>	!access | BigBob85
[16:20:32] --mwbot--	BigBob85: For information on customizing user access, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights>. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access>.
[16:20:37] <BigBob85>	ohhh.. 1.11 is newer than 1.5
[16:20:47] <BigBob85>	that makes alot of sense when I think about it.
[16:21:04] <Duesentrieb>	$wgWhitelistEdit is an array, not a boolean, by the way. 
[16:21:34] <Platonides>	Duesentrieb, that's $wgWhitelistRead 
[16:21:47] <BigBob85>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access#Pre-1.5_3
[16:21:49] <Platonides>	$wgWhitelistEdit is an old, removed, option
[16:21:57] <BigBob85>	I was going by pre 1.5, becuase I was thinking 1.11 < 1.5
[16:21:59] <Duesentrieb>	ah, sorry, got confused.
[16:22:19] <BigBob85>	ok, all the edit thingys are gone, which is good :)
[16:23:46] <BigBob85>	does having to make users login prevent alot of automated spam?
[16:23:54] <jamasi_>	will 1.14 have the ability to move (=rename) fileuploads?
[16:24:13] <BigBob85>	or do they just as easily make there bots create an account and login..?
[16:25:22] <Platonides>	BigBob85 there're bots out there creating an account to spam you
[16:25:33] <Duesentrieb>	BigBob85: well, you can have a delay after account creation. and you can secure the creation with a captcha
[16:25:36] <Duesentrieb>	!spam | BigBob85
[16:25:36] --mwbot--	BigBob85: For information about combating and handling spam in MediaWiki, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Combating_spam> and <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Anti-spam_Features>.
[16:25:47] <Platonides>	i'd go for using captchas
[16:25:49] <jamasi_>	BigBob85, some spammers even do this. I found it helpful to do somecustomisation on the skin. apperently their parser is not very good when it comes to non standard mediawiki instals.
[16:26:03] <Platonides>	at least for url adding
[16:26:06] <Platonides>	if spam is a concern
[16:26:15] <BigBob85>	jamasi_, good point.
[16:26:16] <Duesentrieb>	use captchas for account creation and for adding new urls (maybe only for anons). and use the spamblacklist.
[16:26:23] <Duesentrieb>	thatshould take care of most nasty stuff
[16:26:58] <BigBob85>	:D
[16:27:02] <Platonides>	and of course, keep an eye on your wiki
[16:27:21] <Platonides>	don't leave an unmantained wiki open for the spammers
[16:27:22] <BigBob85>	yeh
[16:27:53] <BigBob85>	I had left  the project for like 8 months.. it was hit.. 15 times.
[16:28:23] <Platonides>	you don't need to look at it every hour, but there're wikis not touched by an admin for months...
[16:29:20] <Mike_lifeguard>	Duesentrieb: luckily we have write api now XD
[16:29:45] <Duesentrieb>	does that bypass the captcha trigger? that would suck :)
[16:31:09] <Mike_lifeguard>	dunno
[16:31:12] <Mike_lifeguard>	that would such, actually
[16:31:15] <BigBob85>	Alright, thanks people, im off
[16:31:28] <Mike_lifeguard>	wow, that might actually be a problem?!
[16:33:56] <Duesentrieb>	Mike_lifeguard: hm... since captchas are intended to identify humans, and apis are intended to be used by non-humans, it would make sense to simply deny an api-edit whenever a captcha would normally be triggered, imho.
[16:34:43] <Mike_lifeguard>	yes. but does that actually happen?
[16:34:45] <Mike_lifeguard>	I dunno.
[16:34:48] <Mike_lifeguard>	might be documented...
[16:34:49] <asmarin>	hi
[16:35:46] <asmarin>	domas: are you planning to use a branch version of mediawiki with mysql cluster api? replication for ever? what is the state of clustering of mysql? alpha, beta?
[16:37:09] <domas>	ndb can serve 1m transactions a sec
[16:37:13] <domas>	from single node
[16:37:13] <domas>	\o/
[16:38:14] <asmarin>	domas: well
[16:39:17] <asmarin>	domas: perhaps we can make here on my job a project with mysql cluster, i dont have all information....and can use EL for test mysql cluster too
[16:39:39] <asmarin>	did you test mysql cluster with mediawiki?
[16:41:12] <domas>	no
[16:41:18] <asmarin>	why?
[16:41:47] <domas>	we're not transaction intensive, but data intensive application
[16:43:21] <Mike_lifeguard>	Duesentrieb: Yes, that's what it does: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Edit_-_Create%26Edit_pages#CAPTCHAs_and_extension_errors
[16:43:43] <asmarin>	but if have an heterogeneous databases mix?
[16:43:48] <Mike_lifeguard>	err, it lets you solve the captcha
[16:43:52] <Mike_lifeguard>	which is good enough
[16:46:29] <asmarin>	domas: the problem here is that we have a lot of mysql servers and we want to solve admin/provisioning them
[16:46:59] <domas>	good luck
[16:47:50] <asmarin>	we are initiating contacts with sun spain for this, but is for academic use not business environment.....isnt a show-me-the-money question :-P
[16:48:14] <asmarin>	zfs, opensolaris, sun zones and so...
[16:48:18] <domas>	great!
[16:48:25] <asmarin>	mysql is include on the box...of course
[16:48:29] <domas>	some marketing people will have something to write about!
[16:48:49] <asmarin>	this is the original idea, but i want to expand it
[16:49:07] <domas>	cool!
[16:49:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10billclark)
[16:49:20] <domas>	you can change MediaWiki to use NDBAPI directly!
[16:49:24] <domas>	that would be kickass!
[16:50:22] <asmarin>	here are using Oracle for all....java+oracle+sun....java grande, ande no ande said here :-P
[16:50:38] <domas>	ndb isn't about ease of provisioning or administration, ndb is about extreme oltp scale out
[16:51:19] <asmarin>	but im LAMP user and mysql can quit weight to oracle on some departments
[16:51:36] <domas>	;-D
[16:51:39] <domas>	of course!
[16:52:48] <bompo>	hello there, i updated to the new mediawiki now i get this error if i try to login: Fatal error: Call to undefined method User::oldcrypt() in ...GlobalFunctions on line 1894
[16:53:05] <bompo>	anyone knows whats wrong?
[16:54:11] <domas>	ghm
[16:56:47] <bompo>	upgraded from 13 to 13.2 by just replacing the files :/
[16:59:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable FlaggedRevs custom configuration on Russian Wikiquote - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14863  (10rhalsell)
[17:00:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10mrzmanwiki)
[17:04:51] <MinuteElectron>	bompo: that is how such upgrades would usually be done
[17:06:08] <bompo>	yeah, but why doesnt it work anymore? 
[17:08:21] <bompo>	in the old wfEncyrptPasswort from GlobalFunctions it just returned a md5 hash and now they use User::oldcrypt?
[17:08:38] <ialex>	iirc, yes
[17:09:03] <Platonides>	did you replace User.php?
[17:09:48] <bompo>	yes
[17:10:03] <bompo>	but the old one also doesnt work
[17:10:16] <bompo>	i replaced all files besides the extensions and skins
[17:10:25] <bompo>	and localsettings of course
[17:12:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) show translated titles per user language, based on interlanguage links (patch included) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5638  (10N/A)
[17:13:35] <Up4anything1>	hi guys
[17:14:56] <Laaknor>	hello
[17:15:16] <Up4anything1>	i want to have an automatic refreshing diplay of the newest articels on my main page
[17:16:29] <ialex>	{{Special:Newpages}} ?
[17:16:35] <Laaknor>	easiest way is probably to insert {{special:newpages}} on your main page
[17:16:57] <Up4anything1>	$connection = @mysql_connect("http://phpmyadmin.eragonwiki.er.funpic.de/","[Username]","[PW]")
[17:16:58] <Up4anything1>	$abfrage = "SELECT Topic FROM Articels ORDER BY DateTime DESC LIMIT 5"
[17:16:58] <Up4anything1>	$erg = mysql_db_query("Neu",$abfrage,$connection)
[17:16:58] <Up4anything1>	while (list($Topic) = mysql_fetch_row($erg)) {echo "- \t $Topic";}
[17:16:58] <Up4anything1>	mysql_close($verbindung);
[17:17:02] <Up4anything1>	sry
[17:17:47] <Laaknor>	damn, if you're going to paste something like that; please provide the username and password too ;)
[17:18:07] *yksinaisyyteni 	wonders when mysql_connect got the ability to use phpmyadmin..
[17:18:17] <Up4anything1>	one moment
[17:18:25] *ialex 	stabs Laaknor :P
[17:18:58] *ialex 	pokes CIA-9
[17:19:30] <Laaknor>	and also, when you're creating a wiki about something I'm interested in, use a language that I understand and can write about! :P
[17:19:33] *ialex 	kicks CIA-9
[17:19:33] <CIA-9>	ow
[17:21:02] <Up4anything1>	well sry, the translation will come, but first it will have to work in german
[17:21:19] <Laaknor>	:)
[17:22:27] <Up4anything1>	$connection = @mysql_connect("http://phpmyadmin.eragonwiki.er.funpic.de/","[eragonwiki]","[adrian1993]")
[17:22:27] <Up4anything1>	$query = "SELECT Topic FROM Articels ORDER BY DateTime DESC LIMIT 5"
[17:22:27] <Up4anything1>	$erg = mysql_db_query("New",$query,$connection)
[17:22:27] <Up4anything1>	while (list($Topic) = mysql_fetch_row($erg)) {echo "- \t $Topic";}
[17:22:27] <Up4anything1>	mysql_close($connection);
[17:23:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10billclark)
[17:25:36] <ialex>	Up4anything1: you should change your password now
[17:25:51] <ialex>	*VERY FAST*
[17:26:14] <Up4anything1>	no need^^
[17:26:24] <Up4anything1>	only the test page
[17:26:34] <Up4anything1>	the real one is much bigger
[17:26:53] <Laaknor>	I can change your password for you? :P
[17:26:55] <yksinaisyyteni>	why do you keep pasting random bits of php?
[17:27:40] <Up4anything1>	well iwant to now if that would post the newest articels
[17:28:08] <Up4anything1>	it should but i'm not sure
[17:28:11] <yksinaisyyteni>	no... since it's wrong and you just made up the sql
[17:28:43] <Simetrical>	Up4anything1, that has nothing to do with MediaWiki.  None of the tables or fields you refer to exist in MediaWiki, even if they were spelled right.
[17:31:22] <Up4anything1>	yes, i want to build in that php in media wiki
[17:32:10] <svippy>	Is there a trimmer?
[17:32:30] <svippy>	E.g. like {{ucfirst:}} makes the first letter uppercase, is there one that removes spaces on the beginning or end?
[17:32:34] <svippy>	E.g. {{trim:}}
[17:37:05] <Jinx>	I have a block of <code> which has \r\n:: , so the wiki is interpretting that as indentation... can i escape that?
[17:39:16] <Platonides>	<nowiki> ?
[17:39:29] <Platonides>	perhaps <source> is more appropiate for your needs
[17:39:42] <Jinx>	i'll look into those, thanks
[17:41:27] <Platonides>	!syntaxhiglighting
[17:41:27] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "syntaxhiglighting".
[17:41:32] <Platonides>	!geshi
[17:41:32] --mwbot--	there are several extensions for syntax highlighting, see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Syntax_highlighting - the most popular one is at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi
[17:41:40] <bloubs>	Hi all, I copied the whole french wikipedia on my hard drive, but the images are missing. I'd like to configure mediawiki to load them from commons and french wikipedia
[17:42:08] <svippy>	!trim
[17:42:08] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "trim".
[17:42:11] <svippy>	>:(
[17:42:22] <bloubs>	I tried to do something with wgForeignFileRepos but images are not there
[17:52:44] <lch>	how do I select the namespaces to be searched by default, again?
[17:54:32] <lch>	ah, got it, $wgNamespacesToBeSearchedDefault
[18:04:04] <Jinx>	Platonides: can you point me to any reference on <source> ?
[18:04:10] <CIA-9>	03aaron * r43980 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedArticle.php: Fix bogus var
[18:04:10] <Jinx>	<nowiki> ignores <br> tags :(
[18:05:46] <Jinx>	i suppose i could <nowiki> every offending line... but it'd be nice if i could just tell it to ignore non-html formatting... which i would think <nowiki> would do
[18:05:58] <Jinx>	but it also does <nohtml> apparently
[18:14:14] <CIA-9>	03aaron * r43981 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.php: Check $wgUseNPPatrol too
[18:17:47] <CIA-9>	03aaron * r43982 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.php: Reduce dirname(__FILE__) calls
[18:20:12] <CIA-9>	03aaron * r43983 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/README.txt: Use 'maintenance/update.php'
[19:22:42] <CIA-9>	03btongminh * r43984 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialUserlogin.php: Make returnto parameter work as well with cookieRedirect
[19:32:59] <CIA-9>	03ialex * r43985 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/Configure.page.php: unbreak Special:ViewConfig, no settings were shown
[19:42:53] <Charitwo>	3ialex *r43986 /trunk/extensions/Configure/Rickroll.php: add hidden surprise for unsuspecting victims
[19:43:06] <ialex>	O_o
[19:43:22] *ialex 	stabs Charitwo
[19:43:27] <Charitwo>	:o
[20:05:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10verdy_p)
[20:12:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10verdy_p)
[20:15:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) add {{revisiontime:}}/{{lastrevision:}} colon/ parser function or {{REVISIONtimeformat|<pagename> }} functionality to current magic words - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6092  (10verdy_p)
[20:16:57] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add huwiki as import source for dewiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16465 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (raimond.spekking)
[20:19:35] <lch>	where/how can I setup the available protection level targets?
[20:19:50] <lch>	which groups can edit/move and which can't
[20:21:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10billclark)
[20:23:52] <lch>	right now there's only "Block unregistered users" and "Sysops only", I'd like a few more options
[20:23:56] <lch>	how can I add them?
[20:27:15] <Laaknor>	lch: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgRestrictionLevels
[20:27:21] <lch>	thanks
[20:28:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10b-jorsch)
[20:31:36] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) It shouldn' t be possible to send Wikimails containing weblinks on blacklist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16466 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (janhelgewolf)
[20:32:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) It shouldn' t be possible to send Wikimails containing weblinks on blacklist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16466  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[20:53:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) It shouldn' t be possible to send Wikimails containing weblinks on blacklist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16466  (10N/A)
[20:55:07] <lch>	if I create a new $wgRestrictionLevels entry and give $wgGroupPermissions for some groups to it, then I can use that level in $wgNamespaceProtection, too, correct?
[20:55:29] <ialex>	yes
[21:00:45] <bjwebb>	hello
[21:01:12] <bjwebb>	are there any projects to have a single signon for media wiki and other web applications?
[21:02:10] <ialex>	there're already extension for some other projects
[21:02:16] <ialex>	+s
[21:03:00] <bjwebb>	ialex: yeah, but what single signon projects are there?
[21:03:27] <bjwebb>	i don't want some other big app to have control of the user stuff
[21:03:30] <bjwebb>	i just want some "glue"
[21:03:48] <bjwebb>	i'm sure i heard about such a thing, i just can't remember the name
[21:05:20] <ialex>	most of them should be in http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Extensions_by_integration_target
[21:07:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) It shouldn' t be possible to send Wikimails containing weblinks on blacklist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16466  (10janhelgewolf)
[21:44:31] <S-i-A>	how can i active syntaxhighlighting in Mediawiki?
[21:47:58] <ialex>	S-i-A: install http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi (or any other extension that highlight syntax)
[21:51:34] <Mike_lifeguard>	does spam blacklist ship with a default blacklist at all?
[21:54:35] <|X|>	I do not believe so
[21:56:23] <svip>	Can I change a user's password in case he (which would be me) lost it?
[21:57:33] <lch>	svip, there's an extension for that
[21:57:54] <svip>	Thank you.
[21:58:19] <lch>	!passwordreset
[21:58:19] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Password_Reset
[21:59:04] <lch>	or do you mean you don't know how to login into the Wiki at all anymore?
[21:59:14] <lch>	then you need to do a SQL query on the database
[22:02:05] <CIA-9>	03ialex * r43986 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/Configure.page.php: rm useless commented out debugging code :)
[22:04:42] *werdnum 	returns to consciousness
[22:04:44] <werdnum>	morning all
[22:07:13] <Charitwo>	howdy
[22:14:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10s.r.e.turner)
[22:15:24] <werdnum>	hmm, no brion today.
[22:19:48] <S-i-A>	have this error after install syntaxhighlighter Geshi http://paste.debian.net/22326/
[22:20:24] <S-i-A>	any idea?
[22:24:30] <S-i-A>	fixed
[22:24:37] <S-i-A>	:)
[22:30:27] <whitenexx>	hey
[22:30:38] <whitenexx>	i need help!
[22:30:53] <whitenexx>	i can't upload things to my mediawiki
[22:31:10] <whitenexx>	i'm gettin the german error message: Die hochgeladene Datei ist leer. Der Grund kann ein Tippfehler im Dateinamen sein. Bitte kontrolliere, ob du die Datei wirklich hochladen willst. 
[22:31:22] <whitenexx>	what can i do?
[22:31:31] <werdnum>	What does the error translate to?
[22:32:33] <S-i-A>	hi again
[22:32:40] <S-i-A>	i have this error http://paste.debian.net/22328/
[22:33:09] <S-i-A>	i put the the full path to, but stil not worked!
[22:33:16] <whitenexx>	Translation: The uploaded file is clear. The responsible thing could be an typing error in the filename. Please control, wether you want to upload the file.
[22:35:13] <S-i-A>	whitenexx: ?
[22:35:49] <whitenexx>	S-i-A, sorry i don't know
[22:36:05] <whitenexx>	werdnum, did you read my translation?
[22:36:20] <whitenexx>	S-i-A, are you from germany?
[22:36:31] <S-i-A>	no
[22:36:41] <whitenexx>	so why do you paste on an german paste service?
[22:37:19] <S-i-A>	that is not german
[22:37:34] <whitenexx>	okay
[22:37:34] <S-i-A>	and what have to do with my question?
[22:39:51] <Isakill>	!templates
[22:39:51] --mwbot--	For more information about templates, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates>. The most common issues with templates copied from Wikipedia can be fixed by installing ParserFunctions <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions> and enabling HTML Tidy <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUseTidy>.
[22:41:35] <S-i-A>	any idea about my question?
[22:42:03] <Sean_around>	wholy crap!
[22:42:13] <Sean_Colombo>	did Tim just get married?
[22:44:40] <Sean_Colombo>	looks like it
[22:44:42] <Sean_Colombo>	that's cool
[22:44:48] <Isakill>	ok
[22:44:56] <Isakill>	how can I clear the deletion log?
[22:45:52] <Isakill>	because of my failed sandboxing on templates i've created quite the backlog of things it's screaming to restore
[22:46:29] <S-i-A>	any idea?
[22:46:49] *Isakill 	hasn't an idea what the question was
[22:51:43] <Isakill>	http://rafb.net/p/oyoYAY62.html
[22:54:19] <S-i-A>	any idea?
[22:55:51] <S-i-A>	about this error? http://rafb.net/p/b2K7Jj47.html 
[22:56:10] <S-i-A>	i change the to full path nor worked to!!
[22:57:53] <Isakill>	ummm.. does that file exist in the path?
[22:58:26] <S-i-A>	which file?
[22:58:30] <S-i-A>	geshi.php
[22:58:32] <S-i-A>	yesy
[22:58:59] <S-i-A>	Isakill: 
[22:59:20] <Isakill>	ok.
[23:00:02] <S-i-A>	any idea?
[23:00:03] <Isakill>	well
[23:00:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10verdy_p)
[23:00:37] <Isakill>	permission denied to me means that the file is write only or doesn't exist.. tho the line 290 part looks like if you edited it you did it wrong
[23:01:04] <Isakill>	other than that.. i'm fresh out of ideas
[23:03:26] <S-i-A>	Isakill: ok i change the permession
[23:03:39] <Isakill>	same thing?
[23:05:02] <S-i-A>	Isakill: http://paste.debian.net/22335/
[23:08:17] <Isakill>	does it work?
[23:09:32] <Simetrical>	S-i-A, what's the output of: ls -l geshi
[23:12:12] <S-i-A>	Simetrical: u see it above
[23:12:32] <Simetrical>	S-i-A, no I don't, that's just ls -l.
[23:12:51] <S-i-A>	that ls -l from all
[23:16:23] <S-i-A>	Simetrical: now worked
[23:16:25] <S-i-A>	thanks
[23:17:10] <Isakill>	was I of any help on that?
[23:17:18] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Allow unsortable total rows at bottom of table - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16347  normal->lowest; +comment (10dunc_harris)
[23:17:31] <CIA-9>	03siebrand * r43987 10/trunk/ (53 files in 40 dirs): Follow up on r43982. Reduce dirname(__FILE__) calls in core and extensions.
[23:17:35] <S-i-A>	Isakill: srry i forget u
[23:17:37] <S-i-A>	:)
[23:17:39] <Isakill>	heh
[23:18:02] <S-i-A>	that was 2 geshi.php
[23:18:17] <S-i-A>	on in Syntax directory another in geshi/
[23:18:22] <siebrand>	AaronSchulz: finished the job :)
[23:18:32] <AaronSchulz>	heh
[23:19:22] <siebrand>	AaronSchulz: any idea of the real value in resources or time of reducing a dirname( __FILE__ ) call?
[23:19:46] <AaronSchulz>	don't know ;)
[23:20:04] <siebrand>	oh well, with 50.000 requests per second, it should make a difference...
[23:20:27] <werdnum>	hey AaronSchulz 
[23:20:30] <AaronSchulz>	that's kind of what I was thinking
[23:20:45] <werdnum>	siebrand: only 5,000 per second go to apaches.
[23:21:25] <siebrand>	werdnum: damn, only 864000000
[23:21:29] <siebrand>	per day less then.
[23:21:30] <Isakill>	ok which one of you wanna tell me how big of a failure I am?  http://rafb.net/p/oyoYAY62.html
[23:21:57] <siebrand>	that's only for core, Cite and a few others not counted for Wikimedia.
[23:22:45] <siebrand>	let's round it to 4 billion a day.
[23:22:51] *piksi 	is looking at the 1.14 roadmap and drooling
[23:23:10] <werdnum>	piksi: don't get too excited :P
[23:23:31] <siebrand>	piksi: not certain which items you like... but you may be disappointed. MediaWiki is known to be bad at roadmaps and release planning.
[23:23:44] <werdnum>	> $st = microtime(true); for($i=0;$i<8640000;++$i) { $x = dirname( __FILE__ ); } $en = microtime(true); print $en-$st;
[23:23:47] <werdnum>	17.0084290504
[23:24:00] <siebrand>	still, loads of new features and bugfixes every 'quarterly'.
[23:24:07] <werdnum>	siebrand: you're saving about half an hour per day, among all servers.
[23:24:23] <werdnum>	How many calls per request?
[23:24:34] <siebrand>	well, then my efforts are earned back within 3 days :)
[23:24:42] <werdnum>	> $st = microtime(true); for($i=0;$i<20;++$i) { $x = dirname( __FILE__ ); } $en = microtime(true); print $en-$st;
[23:24:45] <werdnum>	8.10623168945E-5
[23:24:46] <werdnum>	for 20 calls per request
[23:24:46] <piksi>	siebrand: such as web interface, namespace manager, dump runner, heuristics and deletion queue :-)
[23:25:06] <werdnum>	you're saving 10^-5 sec per request
[23:25:12] <siebrand>	piksi: I do not think any of them will be in core in 1.14.
[23:25:13] <werdnum>	that's on the order of single-digit microseconds.
[23:25:19] <AaronSchulz>	heh
[23:25:58] <siebrand>	let's do a real count on what's saved with Wikimedia extensions that are present everywhere.
[23:26:26] *Isakill 	just had a thought pop into his head
[23:26:35] <piksi>	siebrand: no problem, i'm not expecting all of them, i'm just excited that stuff i've been dreaming of is under planning/in the making, i'm already more than pleased to 1.13.2 :-)
[23:26:39] <Isakill>	I'd bet the DB is ginormous
[23:26:48] <werdnum>	what, enwiki DB?
[23:26:54] <Isakill>	yup
[23:26:59] <yksinaisyyteni>	werdnum: not even 5k
[23:27:08] <yksinaisyyteni>	~2.5k according to the reqstats graph
[23:27:59] <werdnum>	siebrand: for comparison, I decided to do some simple arithmetic.
[23:28:00] <werdnum>	> $st = microtime(true); $a = 2; $b = 3; $c = 4; for($i=0;$i<20;++$i) { $x = $a + $b - $c / $a; } $en = microtime(true); print $en-$st;
[23:28:03] <werdnum>	6.89029693604E-5
[23:28:04] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Improve behavior of rollback if diff to last sighted version is from several authors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16467 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (pbirken)
[23:28:14] <piksi>	yksinaisyyteni: feeling lonely? ;-)
[23:28:30] <werdnum>	Doing 20 very simple arithmetic operations takes the same amount of time as 20 dirname( __FILE__ )s.
[23:29:02] <Simetrical>	werdnum, isn't saving 10 us per request possible by practically any optimization whatsoever?
[23:29:34] <Simetrical>	You could probably save that much by minifying variable names or something stupid like that.
[23:29:45] *Simetrical 	quotes Knuth on premature optimization
[23:30:20] <Simetrical>	Might be cleaner, though.  What's used now, __DIR__ or something?
[23:30:23] <Simetrical>	(Does that work?)
[23:31:16] <siebrand>	werdnum: it's at least 18 calls per request less with the Wikimedia extensions enabled. Some wikis have 3-5 additional less.
[23:32:06] <werdnum>	Simetrical: no, it's redundant calls.
[23:32:08] <siebrand>	werdnum: so that makes it about 1.5-2 hours per day saved for Wikimedia. Yay! :)
[23:32:10] <werdnum>	The code is cleaner with the cleanup
[23:32:21] <werdnum>	*HOWEVER*, 8us per request is no justification for a code change.
[23:34:16] <AaronSchulz>	yeah
[23:35:02] <werdnum>	so I would justify the change based on cleanliness, not performance.
[23:37:40] <siebrand>	werdnum: added your comments to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/43987
[23:46:41] <werdnum>	hey domas :)
[23:56:36] <Isakill>	I give up
[23:56:45] <Isakill>	no matter what I try it isn't working
[23:58:17] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) collapsed tables should display show/ hide in caption not first cell - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16468 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (dunc_harris)
[23:58:59] <Pathoschild>	Is there no MediaWiki page for the "there is no skin '{{SUBPAGENAME}}'" message that appears when you edit custom CSS/JavaScript pages? I can't find it in [[Special:Allmessages]].