[00:19:35] 03(NEW) Enable FlaggedRevs Patrolling Configuration on is. wiktionary - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16476 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (spacebirdy) [00:39:04] 03(NEW) Show/hide deletes on Recent changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16477 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (hippytrail) [01:58:58] How do you make text flash? [02:04:31] you don't... its a bad effect that should die off [02:05:20] but if you must Blink [02:10:32] check user install.php gives: http://b47619.pastebin.com/m4e2e28e2 [02:10:36] any ideas why? [02:12:38] fixed >.> [02:13:02] I need help with the MediaWiki... I installed it today, and everything is going well... But I need to know how I can edit the side navigation bars [02:13:44] Fatal error: Call to a member function numRows() on a non-object in /hosting/brsc/wiki/maintenance/sql.php on line 59 [02:13:53] -.- [02:14:45] any ideas WHY i am getting weird errors? [02:16:34] !sidebar | BigBen[A] [02:16:34] --mwbot-- BigBen[A]: To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see . [02:17:41] Thanks [02:38:07] Hey anyone in here familiar with Semantic Mediawiki? I'd like to inline a date query - doing something like: {{ #show: SomeGuy | ?Date of birth }} but I want to format it as Month Day, Year where it's actually being displayed as Day Month Year. Any pointers? [02:57:59] hey folks, im curious about free hosting for a private mediawiki wiki. does this exist? i know wikia has free hosting, but they dont appear to be private. i like pbwiki ok, but i prefer mediawiki. any help? [04:24:03] what is the title of the mediawiki page that sets the custom edit headers? [04:27:23] *Prodego pokes #mediawiki [04:43:27] 03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582 (10mrzmanwiki) [04:57:34] I know how to embed a full page into another. But, there's a way to embded just a single section of a certain page? [05:19:24] arthurgeek: what do you mean? [05:19:35] just the content? [05:19:53] qsheets: not the whole page. just a section of it [05:20:16] *qsheets tests something [05:24:10] just {{pagename}} dont work? [05:24:24] like template inclusion unless targetpage namespace isnt excluded from inclusions? [05:26:48] agaran: actually, it's {{:pagename}}. And it works. But I do not want to embed the full page [05:27:14] arthurgeek: on the page use the html tag [05:28:40] qsheets: hmm.. It'll not work for me. I'm including it (the full one) on another page. [05:28:46] qsheets: thanks! :) [05:28:47] Prodego: MediaWiki:Editnotice-#-NAME [05:28:51] arthurgeek: aa.. sorry misunderstood, no idea then [05:29:18] arthurgeek: also use for the sections you do [05:29:18] agaran: thanks :) [05:30:02] qsheets: yeah, but this way it'll be the same for all places that page is included, right? [05:30:10] Prodego: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Editnotice-15 all Help_talk pages, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Editnotice-0-Doctor_Who [[Doctor Who]] only [05:30:17] arthurgeek: yup [05:31:23] arthurgeek: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Labeled_Section_Transclusion [05:32:44] Splarka: found it a while ago, but thanks [05:33:20] Splarka: thanks! :) that's it [05:41:01] 03(NEW) link git://example.org/ just like you do for gopher:// example.org/ - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16478 trivial; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (jidanni) [05:48:47] 03(mod) {{FILEPATH:{{PAGENAME}} }} doesn' t work for filenames containing characters that get escaped to HTML entities - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16474 summary; +comment (10herd) [05:54:35] is it a known issue in v1.13.2 that when you try to move a page over an already-existing page it says "The destination page "Object" already exists. Do you want to delete it to make way for the move?" regardless of what the real page name is (it is NOT "Object" in this case... it always says "Object") [06:16:41] FOLLOW UP: Yeah, it was pretty busted in 1.13.2 [06:17:00] 03(mod) Enable FlaggedRevs Patrolling Configuration on is.wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16476 (10Wiki.Melancholie) [06:30:01] 03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582 (10smccandlish) [07:08:26] 03(NEW) [Search] Improper XML coding prevents adding site to searchbar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16479 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Search; (sirmeepsalot) [07:14:49] <_wooz> lo [07:29:29] Good morning [09:08:36] 03(mod) Enable editors to control footnote ordering and to insert wikitex between footnotes . Also declutter article prose. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12796 (10simon) [09:22:58] 03(NEW) Do not hide #mw-commentbox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16480 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (Wiki.Melancholie) [09:30:36] 03(mod) Enable editors to control footnote ordering and to insert wikitex between footnotes . Also declutter article prose. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12796 (10simon) [09:32:02] 03siebrand * r44009 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [09:32:02] * Special:ImageList -> Special:FileList [09:32:02] * Special:NewImages -> Special:NewFiles [09:32:02] * comments with 'image' to 'file' [09:41:10] 03(mod) {{FILEPATH:{{PAGENAME}} }} doesn' t work for filenames containing characters that get escaped to HTML entities - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16474 (10phoenixct) [10:11:23] 03siebrand * r44010 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (259 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-11-28 10:35 CET) [10:12:49] 03siebrand * r44011 10/trunk/extensions/ (18 files in 17 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-11-28 10:35 CET) [10:27:57] 03(NEW) Special:Statistics dosn't tell user what * means - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16481 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (p858snake) [10:49:24] 03(NEW) Occasional PHP fatal errors from API queries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16482 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: API; (matthew.britton) [10:55:57] 03(mod) Occasional PHP fatal errors from API queries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16482 +shell; +comment (10roan.kattouw) [11:10:24] 03(mod) Special:Statistics dosn't tell user what * means - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16481 +comment (10siebrand) [11:12:05] 03(mod) Special:Statistics dosn't tell user what * means - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16481 (10siebrand) [11:24:40] 03(ASSIGNED) Special:Statistics dosn't tell user what * means - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16481 (10siebrand) [11:36:19] 03btongminh * r44012 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiQueryBacklinks.php: Allow easier debugging of this module by distinguishing between the two queries [11:38:34] 03(NEW) Second query of ApiQueryBackLinks filesorts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16483 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: API; (Bryan.TongMinh) [12:19:36] I created a user group (lets name ist xyz). I want to configure the name shown in different languages as the CheckUser extension does it with the message group-checkuser-member. I looked through code and mediawiki.org and found nothing. [12:21:51] you need to define three messages [12:21:52] 'group-checkuser' => 'Check users', [12:21:53] 'group-checkuser-member' => 'Check user' [12:22:00] 'grouppage-checkuser' => '{{ns:project}}:Check user', [12:22:13] just replace checkuser with the canonical name of the group [12:22:51] *Wuzur tests [12:26:12] "$messages['de'] = array(" and then your code (checkuser replaced) seems not to work [12:29:14] well, something is then wrong, obviously [12:32:38] hmm, works now, thanks :) [13:01:14] 03siebrand * r44013 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [13:01:14] (bug 16481) Special:Statistics does not explain what * means [13:01:14] * change asterisk to a tooltip image [13:01:14] * image is a 10px rendition of public domain image http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Bulbgraph.svg by RubySS [13:03:14] 03(FIXED) Special:Statistics does not explain what * means - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16481 summary; +comment (10siebrand) [13:04:48] hi [13:04:56] is here anyone who can help me? [13:05:13] im new in WIKI and i need some help :$ [13:06:45] !ask | Ocsi [13:06:45] --mwbot-- Ocsi: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC. [13:07:44] how can I make new pages? [13:08:29] how can i make new pages? How can I make new menus? [13:08:43] !sidebar | Ocsi [13:08:43] --mwbot-- Ocsi: To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see . [13:09:33] !createpage | Ocsi [13:09:33] --mwbot-- Ocsi: The best way to create a new wiki page is to create a link to the not-yet-existing page on some page that does exist, save it, and then click the new red link and create the page. Alternatively, you can enter the name of the page in the search box and hit go and then create the page. For extensions that help with creating pages, see [13:10:31] Ocsi: third option, if you are a wiki administrator, it to install the extension CreateBox and use that. [13:10:43] Ocsi: MediaWiki could to better by default in this area. [13:10:57] thx [13:14:37] siebrand: it's arguable wether that would be desirable. having no obvious way of creating a new page is of course confusing - but it does force people to get thinking the wiki way, i.e. in terms of *linked* pages [13:15:03] Duesentrieb: it's a huge barrier to entry. [13:15:51] Can I make a link button? I have an image and I want to have that revert to a page [13:15:52] (possibly unacceptably high) [13:16:15] Duesentrieb: see the usability studies that UNESCO did. 0% of the new users could create a page without help. [13:17:07] siebrand: yes i know. [13:17:28] Duesentrieb: 50% would have been low, 0% is absurd. [13:19:58] siebrand: well, do we want people to "create a new page" at all? [13:20:21] i'd say it very much depends on the type of wiki you have [13:20:23] Ocsi: not because it is you, but because I am busy at work :) [13:21:11] Duesentrieb: as it is apparently a very common use case, the base product should have facilities for it (IMO at least0 [13:25:06] 03(mod) Cannot upload files at JAWP for internal error - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16464 +comment (10carkuni) [13:29:48] siebrand: i don't care so much if it's in core or not. i just don't want to have it on wikipedia :)( [13:30:07] Duesentrieb: you do. It's called inputbox [13:30:57] yes, but that's not prominently accessible, and usually targeted to a specific purpose. [13:31:14] there's no "new page" link in the sidebar or on the main page. [14:03:16] 03(mod) Do not hide #mw-commentbox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16480 (10JSchulz_4587) [14:09:08] 03jhsoby * r44014 10/trunk/tools/planet/de/templates/index.nb.html.tmpl: Test did not work. [14:29:39] 03aaron * r44015 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (Article.php ImagePage.php): [14:29:39] *Remove getContent() side-effects [14:29:39] *Fix/set visibility [14:29:39] *Refactor deletion log stuff to helper function [14:29:39] *Add wfDeprecated( __METHOD__ ) to some places [14:29:40] *Various minor cleanup/spacing [14:30:42] ooh [14:30:43] finally [14:30:57] *Nikerabbit dances around like a little gnome [14:40:14] Hi, I just got this error while viewing Special:Statistics http://dpaste.com/94362/ (Version: 1.14alpha (r43591)) [14:46:11] KingTarquin, private wiki presumably? [14:46:22] Reedy, Yes [14:46:22] 03(NEW) User rights log adds extra comma when unneeded - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16484 major; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (dannii.lawson-midlands) [14:46:38] The error is saying it cant find a table coloumn... [14:46:41] so [14:46:50] your database presumably hasnt also been updated [14:47:13] Reedy, I'm almost certain the DB was Updated. [14:47:26] mmm, you had better check again [14:47:58] if it is indeed the case there might be something missing from the db update script.. [14:48:06] but do check for definate [14:54:02] I've just gone to run "php update.php", and its saying that the user in AdminSettings.php isn't a super user, but it is, and I've set them to a super user and given them _most_ privileges to the server. [14:54:39] use in mysql? [14:54:42] *user [14:54:48] stuffs [14:55:00] I've also tried with root as well. [14:55:05] hmm [14:55:13] root mysql user and still the same? :/ [14:55:24] Yep [14:55:33] seems a bit weird [14:56:31] Just a bit. [14:56:42] Is there no way to update the SQL Manually? [14:57:11] you could run all the queries manually i suppose, but probably not reccommended [14:57:50] Hmm [14:58:23] what output do you get from it? [14:58:28] (pastebin it somewhere please) [14:59:00] looks like it should give some debug output [14:59:30] http://dpaste.com/94371/ [14:59:57] Thats saying you dont have an AdminSettings.php [15:00:05] you need to copy the sample and amend accordingly [15:00:44] http://dpaste.com/94373/ [15:00:46] Top left [15:02:30] Hmmm [15:02:50] Looking at the update script, its saying that they aint been set (following the error...) but they quite clearly have. [15:03:24] ive just done cp AdminSettings.sample AdminSettings.php [15:03:27] and updated as required [15:03:29] and it works fine [15:04:14] Nope, still getting the same error. [15:04:26] hmm [15:04:32] permissions on the file? [15:05:07] -rw-rw-r-- 1 webserv webserv 794 Nov 28 10:03 AdminSettings.php [15:06:39] you havent deleted the quotes or anything by accident have you? [15:07:23] Nope, the single quotes are still present. [15:08:03] doesnt like something in the file [15:08:11] pastebin it (removing the password) [15:08:57] http://dpaste.com/94377/ [15:09:48] unless the update script is screwed? :/ [15:10:05] I svn'd about 2 weeks ago. [15:10:29] The only thing I edited/changed was Monobook.php [15:10:31] Thats it. [15:10:34] hmmm [15:10:37] svn up? :/ [15:11:00] Will that keep my changes in Monobook.php? Or will it write over them? [15:11:14] if there has been any changes, it would merge them [15:11:28] only if you've changed some of the same lines, you might get a conflict [15:11:48] (aside, its not best practise to change the actual monobook.php anyway) [15:12:58] Right, I've svn up'd and I still get the same error. [15:21:39] I _could_ comment out that isset test... [15:22:19] aye [15:22:31] if the details aint right it wont be able to change stuff [15:23:21] Nope. [15:23:24] No luck. [15:23:27] Now it canny connect. [15:29:19] Where is AdminSettings.php actually required (which file) because I cant see it in update.php [15:29:48] its in the root directory [15:29:57] update.php is in maintenance/update.php [15:50:09] 03aaron * r44016 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevision.php: +public [15:57:56] 03(NEW) Enable FlaggedRevs Patrolling Configuration on ia.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16485 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (prointerlingua) [16:32:58] I'll be in Teaneck, New Jersey. [16:32:59] I have to disconnect now. [16:32:59] I'll see ya later! (If I come back! [16:46:06] 03skizzerz * r44017 10/trunk/extensions/AmazonPlus/ (. AmazonPlus.i18n.php AmazonPlus.js AmazonPlus.php): * committing new extension AmazonPlus [16:54:30] 03(NEW) Automatic numbering system does translate - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16486 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (shushruth) [17:27:10] hello! is there an extention for mediawiki [17:27:28] that had a checkbox so user accept terms of use [17:27:39] when creating an account? [17:46:24] *ialex pokes CIA-6 [17:51:35] 03(NEW) UserManagement: Anonymous Account not create-/delete-/ edit able , but it is visbile in user list - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16487 major; normal; MediaWiki: User login/settings; (sacher) [17:57:45] 03siebrand * r44019 10/trunk/extensions/AmazonPlus/ (AmazonPlus.i18n.php AmazonPlus.js AmazonPlus.php): [17:57:45] * move error class span outside message [17:57:45] * ran stylize.php [17:58:03] 03(mod) UserManagement: Anonymous Account not create-/delete-/ edit able , but it is visbile in user list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16487 (10N/A) [17:58:57] *qsheets pokes ST47 with hot iron [17:59:05] *ST47 pokes back [17:59:07] I'm done noew [17:59:36] kk [17:59:42] 03siebrand * r44020 10/trunk/extensions/AmazonPlus/AmazonPlus.i18n.php: Capitalise language names [18:02:50] 03siebrand * r44021 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/mediawiki-defines.txt: Add support for AmazonPlus to Translate [18:08:09] 03skizzerz * r44022 10/trunk/extensions/AmazonPlus/AmazonPlus.php: * If you're going to move the error class out of the messages, at least do it CORRECTLY [18:09:25] 03siebrand * r44023 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/mediawiki-defines.txt: Fix message ids [18:37:43] 03ialex * r44024 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Article.php: Do the same as r41813, but for non-edit page: Display default extensions messages for language subpages when the page being viewed doesn't exist [18:41:38] 03aaron * r44025 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): (bug 15695) Define 'mw-js-message' to make jsMsg() work in modern skin [18:41:42] 03(FIXED) jsMsg() javascript function in wikibits.js doesn' t work on modern skin - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15695 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [18:41:57] 03(mod) {{FILEPATH:{{PAGENAME}} }} doesn' t work for filenames containing characters that get escaped to HTML entities - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16474 (10herd) [18:42:53] oh modern [18:45:27] *AaronSchulz giggles at r44022 [18:46:29] hmmm, {{filepath:Foo.ext}} works like {{#special:Foo.ext}} and {{#language:foo}}, in that the target must exist at save-time [18:47:03] hi,can anyone tell me what the limits are that a page might hit causing it not to be saved? [18:47:11] whereas a Media: link will create an upload link if it doesn't exist... [18:47:39] and [[Special:Filepath/Foo.ext]] creates a permanent link even if the file is later created or uncreated... [18:48:49] i've got a page with a lot of transclusions that won't save, but it's under the template limits [18:49:55] Onteron: limits like $wgMaxArticleSize and nodecount/expensiveparserfunction are used to keep PHP from timing out or running out of memory [18:50:11] so you may want to lower your template limit until it gives you an error, instead of just failing [18:51:57] thx, ok do it isn't using any expensive parser functions, [18:52:14] do you know how the article size is calculated? [18:54:12] is the total size of all transcluded templates counted even if only parts of them are used? [18:55:31] I think $wgMaxArticleSize is just the max size of a given raw page [18:56:09] although, if the rendered page exceeds that, transclusions are probably halted... [18:56:17] 03(mod) space before/after »/« =?UTF-8?Q?=20=C2=BBguillemets=C2=AB=20conve?= =?UTF-8?Q?rted=20to=20=26nbsp?=; - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12752 (10N/A) [18:56:17] (it can be confoozing) [18:56:44] the thing is it renders fine if only showing a preview, but won't save [18:57:08] then it is too big, split it up ^_^ [18:57:28] the page itself isn't very big, [18:58:28] yeah i'll guess i'll have too split it, but i was wondering if there was some other optimizing I could do [18:59:18] view the page source on preview [18:59:33] look for a comment "NewPP limit report" [18:59:44] yeah those numbers are well under [19:00:02] odd [19:01:15] argument size is at about 500k, other two about 100k [19:01:24] 03aaron * r44026 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedRevs.hooks.php FlaggedRevs.php): (bug 16169) Modern skin did not have article review link in toolbox for article feedback [19:01:46] 03(FIXED) Modern skin does not have article review link in toolbox for flagged revisions article feedback - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16169 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [19:05:59] 03(mod) space before/after »/« =?UTF-8?Q?=20=C2=BBguillemets=C2=AB=20conve?= =?UTF-8?Q?rted=20to=20=26nbsp?=; - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12752 (10brion) [19:07:52] How do I get a box around my syntax highlighting? [19:08:08] Ok thanks Splarka, I'm asking too much of it really; sometime i'll play around to see if I can get it to work [19:17:17] 03yaron * r44027 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/ (INSTALL includes/SF_GlobalFunctions.php): New version: 1.3.7 [19:18:00] KingTarquin: the thing is, Geshi doesn't put borders around the syntax hilighting, and it even seems to remove it on purpose (at least in the case of numbered lines), the dotted border seen on wikimedia's is just the

[19:19:36] 	03aaron * r44028 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.hooks.php: Minor code tweaks
[19:19:39] 	.foo {} produces: .foo {}
[19:19:46] 	and that gets the  border
[19:19:51] 	.foo {} produces: .foo {}
[19:19:54] 	that gets no border...
[19:21:21] 	however, installations of geshi outside of wmf seem to do things differently, using a bunch of  instead of spans... I am not sure if it is a different version or different settings/configuration/installation
[19:22:48] 	there is also no single class for geshi objects, see https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11274
[19:25:24] 	hi all. Can anyone tell me if I can exclude a custom namespace from the recent changes page?
[19:31:57] 	03(mod) The / tag around GeSHi-highlighted code does not have a class "source" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11274  summary; +comment (10herd)
[19:32:22] 	AaronSchulz: ping
[19:33:16] 	AaronSchulz: for r43971, the class PasswordReset is already used by PasswordReset extension
[19:33:30] 	AaronSchulz: and I'm pretty sure that it causes https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16472
[19:35:14] 	oh
[19:35:37] 	now that you're here, Splarka, I believe I figured out how to get my end date,
[19:36:17] 	currently I'm waiting on our admin to install the variables extension, plus well, I need some help from him involving trig
[19:36:29] 	I came up with idea during dinner last night...  hehe
[19:36:36] 	Does anyone know if I can exclude a custom namespace from the recent changes page?
[19:37:39] 	Meridiuz: by default?
[19:38:04] 	yeah, I created a custom namespace which is only visible and editable for a special usergroup
[19:38:28] 	the other users can't/shouldn't be able to see the pages, but the edits with parts of the text still show up on the Recent Changes page
[19:38:36] 	per-namespace viewing restrictions are not supported, because mediawiki was absolutely not designed for that
[19:38:56] 	because there are over a dozen possible ways to circumvent such restrictions
[19:39:16] 	also for normal pages?
[19:39:18] 	s/per-namespace/non-global/ ... we don't support per-page, per-category, etc. restrictions either
[19:39:22] 	it's either all or nothing
[19:39:38] 	what you COULD do, however, is set up a private wiki for such content, and share the user table
[19:39:40] 	Skizzerz: per-namespace is by far the most common intermediary
[19:39:44] 	no need to be overly pedantic
[19:39:47] 	:)
[19:39:57] 	!cms | Meridiuz
[19:39:57] --mwbot--	Meridiuz: Wikis are designed for openness, to be readable and editable by all. If you want a forum, a blog, a web authoring toolkit or corporate content management system, perhaps don't use wiki software. There is a nice overview of free tools available at  including the possibility to try each system. For was to restrict access in MediaWiki, see !access.
[19:40:14] 	although, there are ways to do it
[19:40:16] 	!lockdown
[19:40:16] --mwbot--	Lockdown is an extension for preventing read or write access by namespace and limiting access to special pages. For more information, see < http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Lockdown >. For general information on preventing access to your wiki, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access >.
[19:40:17] 	Meridiuz: if you want, you use http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/SpecialRecentChangesQuery to restrict this :)
[19:40:18] 	yeah, I know about that
[19:40:29] 	+ can
[19:40:29] 	thanks ialex :)
[19:40:31] 	can include phpbb in Wiki? like her debianforum.de
[19:40:40] 	Meridiuz: check out the Lockdown extension too
[19:40:47] 	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Security_issues_with_authorization_extensions  <-- read this too
[19:40:47] 	I did
[19:40:54] 	but I thought the Lockdown was too much restriction
[19:41:19] 	all I needed was a section to add a little more info which can't be read by players but can be used by moderators to keep track on the players
[19:42:38] 	The most secure way to do that would be to create an extension
[19:42:54] 	no.. the most secure way to do that would be to set up a second wiki for the moderators
[19:43:35] 	yeah...you could be right
[19:43:36] 	you can use the same installation even, just set different config (limit read, account creation, edit)
[19:43:42] 	I didn't know I could use the same userbase
[19:43:51] 	standby for another mwbot spam
[19:43:53] 	!farm
[19:43:53] --mwbot--	To run multiple wikis, you can simply install MediaWiki in different folders, with different databases or in one with database prefixes. You can also have multiple wikis using a single installation:  and .
[19:43:59] 	and they can interlink with the other wiki 
[19:44:17] 	be wary of cross-wiki rights leaks, I've seen it happen before
[19:44:32] 	that is, be sure to test that only moderators (sysops?) and not regular users have access to the other wiki
[19:44:45] 	right
[19:44:47] 	(only applies to wikis sharing user databases(
[19:45:43] 	well, if it's going to be a completely separate wiki, could make a separate user database
[19:45:50] 	there are only like 10 mods anyway
[19:46:10] 	Splarka: the most secure way would be to mail the information to all the moderaters
[19:46:21] 	mail??
[19:46:23] 	mail can fall astray
[19:46:38] 	Prodego: even the wikimedia foundation trusts secure wikis, when they are secure
[19:46:42] 	dudes, I need some balance between security and functionality here
[19:47:18] 	if it's fully secured, but not functional then it's as useless as a non-secure version
[19:47:20] 	Prodego: http://arbcom.en.wikipedia.org/ is probably full of fun checkuser data
[19:48:04] 	thanks for your help guys!
[19:58:30] 	can include another page and in main page ? for.example have blog in /blog and will have blog front page in Main Page. is that possible?
[19:59:18] 	!colon
[19:59:18] --mwbot--	To escape the usual function of [[Image:]] links, [[Category:]] links, [[en:Interlanguage]] links, and create an inline simple link, prefix a colon. [[:Image:Wiki.png]], [[:Category:Cats]], [[:en:Foobar]]. A colon can also be used to transclude an article in the main namespace, eg {{:Main_Page}}.
[19:59:57] 	Splarka: is that for me Boss ? :)
[20:00:15] 	the last sentence is
[20:00:38] 	ok any manual page or how to?
[20:01:12] 	see various pages for Template help, everything is the same
[20:01:23] 	except that you must specify the namespace if it isn't in Template: namespace
[20:01:40] 	{{foo}} == {{Template:foo}}  gets [[Template:Foo]]
[20:01:46] 	{{User:Foo}}  gets [[User:Foo]]
[20:01:52] 	{{:Foo}}  gets [[Foo]]
[20:03:15] 	Splarka: i have forum with phpbb in /forum and the wiki in /wiki will dispaly the phpbb frontpage in /wiki Main Page text like her debianforum.de
[20:03:50] 	oh, you want to transclude from another _wiki_?
[20:04:03] 	(or even, from a non wiki?)
[20:04:30] 	Splarka: i have wiki and forum installed
[20:04:51] 	just will have the forum fraontpage in wiki frontpage
[20:05:10] 	well, then you'll need some weird extension to include arbitrary html in a wiki page I think
[20:05:24] 	unless the forum outputs RSS (several RSS extensions)
[20:05:59] 	the debianforum.de is my goal
[20:06:45] 	if not then move i the wiki to root directory :)
[20:08:47] 	S-i-A, that site uses a different software
[20:08:56] 	MoinMoin Wiki != MediaWiki
[20:09:38] 	i think he just means he wants a site like that
[20:09:42] 	lch: moin moin wiki ??
[20:09:49] 	is that software?
[20:09:53] 	yes
[20:10:07] 	also, what Splarka told you is probably not what you meant
[20:10:24] 	yksinaisyyteni: yes i will create like that 
[20:10:26] 	onoes splarka!  wrong again!
[20:10:43] 	yes, shame on me answering what he asked and not what he meant
[20:11:01] 	Splarka: no i thank u very much
[20:11:02] 	yeah, you took it literally :>
[20:11:02] 	03(NEW) "Failed to parse" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16488 trivial; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (rividh)
[20:12:00] 	in short, you probably should aim lower
[20:12:34] 	try to have both a functional forum and wiki up first, and maybe a blog, too
[20:12:41] 	03(mod)  $"Failed to parse" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16488  summary (10pathoschild+wmbugs)
[20:12:48] then you can think about interweaving them
[20:17:19] can i move wiki to root directory without move all files and folder from wiki?
[20:21:52] S-i-A, you could use a redirect page
[20:22:12] it is not advised to use a wiki installation in the root directory
[20:22:26] though it's technically possible
[20:22:51] lch: ok thanks
[20:28:22] 03(mod) space before/after »/« =?UTF-8?Q?=20=C2=BBguillemets=C2=AB=20conve?= =?UTF-8?Q?rted=20to=20=26nbsp?=; - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12752  (10N/A)
[20:36:20] 03(NEW) Add "diff to last sighted version" to recent changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16489 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (pbirken)
[20:55:11] the DB and user is correct but by install wiki said isn't correct!!
[20:55:40] 03(mod) Bug in PasswordReset extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16472  (10alex.emsenhuber)
[20:56:49] any idea why?
[20:57:17] with same user and pass worked fine in phpmyadmin
[20:58:53] solved
[20:59:13] i change the host form localhost to localhost:/tmp/mysql5.sock and installed :)
[21:00:44] 03(NEW) Interwiki Template Transclusion Problems - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16490 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Templates; (charlie)
[21:03:17] what is best chmod for LocalSettings.php is 644 or 664 or 666 ?
[21:04:25] depends on your server
[21:07:30] "the most restrictive that still works"
[21:09:25] Duesentrieb: 664 is standard :)
[21:09:49] S-i-A: let all users read you db password? yea, why not.
[21:09:50] ugh.
[21:10:22] on a box using mod_php, there may nto be a way around this.
[21:10:31] that'S why mod_php is bad for a shared host
[21:10:35] *Duesentrieb 	glares at his host
[21:11:45] Duesentrieb: and what is the default?
[21:11:52] im her to know :)
[21:12:21] 400 would be ideal, i suppose.
[21:12:25] if that works.
[21:12:34] you have to chmod before and after each edit, though
[21:12:44] ok i do 
[21:12:55] 400 is good if php runs under your user id.
[21:13:09] 640 is good if php runs under a different id, but in the same group.
[21:13:35] 644 is the only choice of it runs under a completly different user
[21:14:33] Duesentrieb: that is wiki iam just sysop but is person of another content edit and write articles
[21:15:44] also i change it 400 and look what happen :)
[21:24:04] Hello people
[21:24:36] I was wondering if someone could point me toward websites that have fancy front-pages on mediawiki.  I'm looking for inspiration.
[21:25:49] @search styles
[21:25:49] --mwbot--	Results: [css, op, ops, skins]
[21:25:56] hm...
[21:25:58]!skins
[21:25:58] --mwbot--	Overview: . Skin usage: . Gallery of CSS styles: . Writing your own: [21:26:12] ravster: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gallery_of_user_styles
[21:27:12] Duesentrieb: that is perfect!  Thank you.
[21:32:26] 03daniel * r44029 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/importImages.php: support more greedy params
[22:02:47] hi Duesentrieb_
[22:02:58] hi Nikerabbit.
[22:03:13] whatare you doing in the first week of february?
[22:03:41] Duesentrieb_: studying perhaps?
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