[00:00:38] tool server not loading or just my computer being an idoit? [00:01:15] I can't get there by HTTP [00:01:16] trying ssh. [00:02:21] I can get to the login server, and the web server by ssh [00:02:47] yksinaisyyteni: Toolserver httpd down? [00:03:57] nope, just really slow. [00:05:21] werdnum, do you know how to add a folder to path? [00:06:10] export PATH=/folder/:$PATH [00:06:21] thanks [00:07:15] "echo $PATH" returns the same stuff, like i didn't add my folder to path [00:08:50] in the same shell or a different shell? [00:08:56] It has to be the same shell. [00:10:41] *brion pokes werdnum or AaronSchulz [00:10:44] who wants a quickie project? [00:10:50] it's via ssh [00:11:05] brion: i'd accept,but i know next to nothing about mediawiki :P [00:11:10] >:D [00:11:26] brion: mmmmaybe [00:11:29] wassup? [00:12:04] need a slight modification to ContributionReporting extension to make Special:ContributionTotal includable :D [00:12:22] I can do that. [00:12:25] awesome [00:12:27] isn't it like 3 lines of code? [00:12:35] should be pretty easy, but need to add a couple params [00:12:53] need to either be able to pass a start timestamp and fudge factor on the inclusion, or have defaults as config vars [00:13:04] How can I get a minimal install going so I can actually test it? [00:13:10] heh [00:13:14] lemme whip up a schema [00:14:36] oh sweet, I get to say "Yes, I have had a bajillion dollars donated" [00:14:42] pfft whats this i hear about a mininal install, just play live on wikipedia >.> [00:15:11] I'm not allowed to :) [00:15:13] *werdnum are only 17. [00:15:26] brion: so does mediawiki still offically support mixed wiki/html tables? [00:15:28] http://rafb.net/p/HsOoXz19.html <- skip the foreign key constraints for test data :) [00:16:00] p858snake: i think it does, due to popular demand. it may still require that you have HTML Tidy enabled to work right, i forget if that's been resolved [00:16:12] We don't have cascading deletion and foreign keys for mysql. Is this a pg database? [00:16:25] i know you need tidy installed/enabled [00:16:33] p858snake, I remember there were issues about removing it [00:16:34] *p858snake goes to slap the people in the mailing list [00:16:37] innodb supports them i believe [00:16:38] brion: is this supposed to be in a separate database? [00:16:39] at least... sort of [00:16:40] that's why I answered that [00:16:46] it can be in local DB for testing [00:17:01] but then I saw it worked on wikipedia... [00:17:11] i think the default will be to pull from the main db [00:17:28] Platonides: i wanted to remove it, as it's evil :) [00:17:34] but it's widely used so we relented [00:17:35] Platonides: i love how i pointed something out and then it was "Add the missing templates and that will likely clear up." yet the page i pointed out had none >.< [00:17:41] brion: can you give me a few rows for testing? [00:18:02] brion: you need it for phasers and such because otherwise it gets confused =( [00:18:42] ENGINE=InnoDB DEFAULT CHARSET=utf8 [00:18:47] oops, pasted in the wrong window :) [00:19:15] werdnum: i think i can just give you a dump, it's just the public bits. sec [00:19:41] *werdnum waits for a 1 GB file. [00:20:15] brion: The fundraiser doesn't seem to be going all that great, incidentally. We're down to 30k or so a day, and we needed 55k a day. [00:20:26] Presumably there'll be a jump in a few weeks for end-of-year, but even so.. [00:21:32] only a couple megs :) [00:21:52] they'll be putting in new notices soon which should bump interest [00:21:57] p858snake I suspect MediaWiki doesn't know it has Tidy there [00:22:06] brion: man I love the internet. [00:22:12] it's so fast to send this shit across the world. [00:22:18] downloaded, by the way. [00:22:21] whee [00:25:29] brion: where's the code for includable special pages, incidentally? [00:25:35] I've never actually written one before. [00:25:51] :) [00:26:10] check mmmm say SpecialNewpages and some others [00:26:36] i think there's a method to say if it's ok to include or not, and when it's being rendered included there's a return thingy? [00:26:38] er [00:26:41] member variable set [00:27:19] there's a class IncludableSpecialPage, which seems to send the appropriate flags upstream. [00:29:18] $this->includable( true ); [00:29:21] hey that's suspicious yes :D [00:29:23] for any SpecialPage [00:29:43] plop in Teh constructor [00:30:19] Just figuring out how to pass parameters :) [00:30:44] 03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582 (10voyagerfan5761) [00:31:34] whats happening with Bug #13252 - "Resizing of Some GIFs Rendering Poorly; Setting Needs Changing?" ? [00:33:01] 03dale * r44136 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (13 files in 6 dirs): (log message trimmed) [00:33:01] Improved embed handling [00:33:01] * supports [[Stream:stream_name/start_time/end_time]] (for pulling time segment and associative transcripts) [00:33:01] * supports [[Sequence:sequence_name]] (for embedding a given sequence) [00:33:01] * some of image params supported like (width)px and (width)x(height)px [00:33:04] Now includes jquery JSON library to support: [00:33:06] * more secure import of json data [00:33:14] Looks like parameters are passed by subpages. [00:33:25] That's really quite ugly :) [00:36:20] hmm. java's added to path, but batik still says it can't find it [00:37:15] werdnum: yeah it's kinda icky [00:37:29] for this case might be easiest if we just have defaults for the start & fudge params [00:37:31] hmm [00:37:40] an alternativ emight be to register a parser function for this purpose [00:37:45] might be prettier parameters [00:37:56] could do, that's not too awful. [00:38:11] 03dale * r44137 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/mv_embed/mv_embed.js: Opps (IE extra comma failure) ... forgot to test in IE before commit [00:38:12] and that would allow running it through #expr or number formatting [00:38:28] yeah [00:39:02] might need to refactor a lil, but it won't take too long [00:39:06] (Can't contact the database server: Lost connection to MySQL server at 'reading initial communication packet', system error: 111) [00:39:09] ugh [00:39:12] *werdnum stabs. [00:40:08] oh, it's because you're using $wgContributionReportingDBserver = $wgDBserver; et al, but I'm using a LBFactory_Multi [00:40:34] do i have to edit any batik files? [00:40:57] RingtailedFox: context plz. [00:41:49] brion: can I change ContributionReporting to use wfGetDB() instead of accepting $wgContributionReportingDBserver et al. [00:41:57] i mean to get batik to render SVG files.. do i need to edit anything to point it towards java? the java bin folder is in pat, but it still can't find it [00:42:09] or, do i need to add java's path to localsettings.php? [00:42:13] werdnum: mmmm, don't change it, i'm not 100% sure what'll happen :D [00:42:28] but the default should connect to your same regular server? [00:42:34] ah [00:42:38] freakay [00:42:39] brion: not with an LBFactory_Multi [00:42:48] werdnum: are you familiar with apache vhosts? [00:42:49] well... that should work fine if it's set to a value that works [00:43:05] seeing as we use LBFactory_Multi too :) [00:43:08] no, because LBFactory_multi doesn't require you to set a $wgDBserver. [00:43:16] => I haven't :) [00:43:20] *werdnum sets one now. [00:44:00] :) [00:44:14] well you could set $wgContributionReportingDBserver but not $wgDBserver if ya like [00:44:21] meh, may as well. [00:44:27] Some other freaky extensions might do the same thing :) [00:44:36] Jump to: navigation, search [00:44:36] 7831033.17 [00:44:36] Retrieved from "http://10.35.67.232/~andrew/w/index.php?title=Special:ContributionTotal" [00:44:39] cool! [00:45:13] I made $7.8 million. [00:45:50] *werdnum quits. [00:46:09] i feel so close to completing SVG support [00:47:52] RingtailedFox: :) [00:48:01] i just need to get batik to work [00:48:02] that's all [00:48:14] :) [00:48:22] 03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582 (10mrzmanwiki) [00:48:47] i don't know what needs to be done [00:51:51] does anyone here know how to set up batik? [00:58:22] is it possible to have two virtual hosts under the same ip? yet access the separately via the domain name? [00:58:59] like aaa (192.168.1.1/aaacontent) and bbb (192.168.1.1/bbbcontent) [01:01:44] yeah. [01:06:12] brion: done, just committing now :) [01:06:41] Committed r44138 [01:06:47] 03werdna * r44138 10/trunk/extensions/ContributionReporting/ (ContributionReporting.php ContributionTotal_body.php): [01:06:47] Add contributiontotal parser function, which does the same thing as Special:ContributionTotal, except in wikitext, as a transcludable special page. [01:06:47] Callable with {{#contributiontotal:start=X|fudgefactor=Y}} [01:06:52] yay! thx [01:06:53] *brion looks [01:07:01] 03(NEW) Creating portal namespace for et.wikipedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16523 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (klaus.eduard) [01:07:31] *werdnum feels old-school, defining ef() functions. [01:07:44] heh [01:09:02] werdnum: for good measure considerr a trim() around that explode() in the parameter parsing [01:09:33] good point. [01:09:58] *werdnum is usually a major trim nazi. [01:11:08] brion: anything else? [01:11:39] mm looks good to me [01:11:49] tomaszf: wanna try http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/44138 on dev.donate? [01:12:09] *werdnum cracks the whip, sends brion to look at his Configure progress. [01:13:12] 03werdna * r44139 10/trunk/extensions/ContributionReporting/ContributionReporting.php: trim() around parameters for fun and profit extra safety. [01:13:19] There's a cool blue highlight for changed settings now :) [01:13:30] and a link that reads "Changes from default" [01:16:11] tomaszf: {{#contributiontotal|start=20080701000000|fudgefactor=1000000}} should do it [01:17:35] werdnum: i like the background color on customized settings! [01:17:43] :) [01:17:50] It used to be yellow, but I came to my senses. [01:18:05] i don't see the 'changes from default' link [01:18:19] For the list of old versions at the top. [01:18:47] mmm i see a 'changes' link. is that changes from the default or cahgnes from the previous? [01:19:11] no, there should be another link after that... [01:19:15] *werdnum looks blank [01:19:16] OH, sorry. [01:19:21] it's on the 'Full list of versions' [01:19:27] :D [01:19:34] might wanna move that link to the other list too :) [01:19:39] Notice: Undefined index: user_wiki in /Library/WebServer/Documents/trunk/extensions/Configure/Configure.diff.php on line 343 [01:19:39] Notice: Undefined index: user_name in /Library/WebServer/Documents/trunk/extensions/Configure/Configure.diff.php on line 343 [01:19:47] Notice: Undefined index: reason in /Library/WebServer/Documents/trunk/extensions/Configure/Configure.diff.php on line 343 [01:19:50] You're using the files handler, aren't you? [01:20:01] yes for the moment, if it's still the default [01:20:36] I thought I fixed that one. [01:20:40] :( [01:20:43] *werdnum will have another look. [01:21:01] thx [01:21:07] oh no, it's elsewhere :) [01:21:54] Fixed, committing. [01:22:21] 03werdna * r44140 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/Configure.diff.php: Fix some E_NOTICE for r44111. [01:24:00] whee [01:25:01] Only big stuff left on the list is the JS searching and summarising for collapse-boxen. [01:25:10] Other than that, a few lingering bugs and we're ready for you to poke holes in it :) [01:26:12] then you immediately have to poke holes in AbuseFilter too :P [01:28:18] *werdnum pokes all Australians with http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet&id=463?dc=590,476595,1 [01:29:50] 03dale * r44141 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (3 files in 3 dirs): embed syntax adjustments [01:31:33] werdnum: pfft that will do nothing! write to yoru politicians/members of parliment in your local area [01:31:50] already did that. [01:33:54] 03(mod) Special: AddData should catch PHP error when template specified in form is invalid ( not a title) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14314 (10yaron57) [01:35:17] werdnum: http://wiki.efp.org.au/index.php?title=Score_Card which is for the stupid firewall of australia [01:47:43] Is there a way to have a namespace (or anything else with a group of page) either only editable or readable by sysops or bureaucrats or bots etc. ? IE some kind of pages with acl ? I read the namespace page and I didn't find anything that can do this. [01:49:12] *werdnum yawns. [01:49:32] I should really change my working hours from 8-12 and 10-2 to something slightly more sensible. [01:50:08] am, pm respectively? [01:50:39] 0800-1200 and 2200-0200 [01:51:43] *werdnum shrugs. [01:51:48] What kind of schedule is that? [01:51:52] For some reason my productivity goes through the roof at about 10pm. [01:52:06] and sucks from about midday onwards. [01:52:41] Well, so does mine when I get as little sleep as you would with those hours [01:52:59] 2am to 8 or 9 [01:56:28] 6 or 7 hours :) [01:57:20] Anyone here familiar with the MediaWiki::API perl module? [01:57:37] I'm trying to create a new article with it and I'm not sure if I'm using the right method. [02:05:52] deltaray2: $mw->edit( { [02:06:09] with action => 'edit', and createonly ? [02:09:52] theocrite, well, the $rev->{missing} doesn't seem to work for me. I was trying to use if ($rev->{missing}) on a page that doesn't exist and it didn't follow the if. [02:12:34] 03(mod) Special: AddData should catch PHP error when template specified in form is invalid ( not a title) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14314 (10dingl) [02:31:04] Is there anyone out there who can tell me how to "alias" a page name in mediawiki? [02:31:25] Basically a way to list mispellings of a name to point back to the proper page [02:32:00] I've found #REDIRECT[[page]] but that seems a little clumsy... Is there a better, more transparent way in mediawiki? [02:33:22] welcome back, TimStarling [02:33:27] and congratulations to you and Angela. [02:33:30] whats wrong with redirect? [02:33:33] hello, thank you [02:33:49] How were the Whitsundays? [02:34:07] very nice [02:34:17] I hope the weather was better than down here. [02:34:42] yes, we had one rainy morning and that was it [02:34:50] oh, good. [02:35:11] I drove out to the Blue Mountains on Friday, and it was really rainy. [02:35:31] wb TimStarling :D [02:36:14] Sydney's started to fine up for summer, though. [02:36:35] *werdnum teases brion and other Northern Hemispherists. [02:36:51] and i'm wandering home for dinner.... in the freezing cold! it's like 55F brrrr [02:39:10] 55? sounds spoiled, it's 12 here [02:39:11] its your birthday? in that case happy birthday! [02:39:26] skial: whose birthday? [02:39:37] brion's i thought to hear [02:39:51] Brion's gone, why did you think it was Brion's birthday? [02:40:06] 03aaron * r44142 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevision.php: Don't cache $this->mText like that [02:40:36] hello Krimpet [02:41:27] 'evening :) [02:41:38] It's only 13:40 [02:42:02] 03:41 am [02:42:14] 9:40 PM [02:43:01] *Charitwo stabs EDT [02:43:07] like in amsterdam = 03:42 [02:44:11] AaronSchulz: you'll get GMT from CTCP TIME [02:44:20] s/GMT/UTC/; [02:46:45] I'm in UTC+11 now, so it's 1:46pm :) [02:48:02] magadan [02:48:19] no page in en:? [02:48:35] http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magadantijd [02:49:17] http://www.extremetech.com/image_popup/0,,iid=222042&aID=234287&sID=1455,00.asp [02:49:22] wow, I think I know who won that test. [03:00:42] Is there a way to i18n mediawiki, in a way that english users have english menu, spanish users a spanish menu and so on? [03:01:30] Are you talking about page content or interface? [03:01:49] MediaWiki is already internationalised, and users can select a different interface language using their preferences. [03:04:13] Hello [03:04:43] I get this error on the first install page: [03:04:44] Warning: shell_exec() has been disabled for security reasons in /home/remnants/public_html/wiki/config/index.php on line 1874 [03:05:29] file a bug report [03:05:30] 03(NEW) Allow authentication plugins to report error messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16524 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User login/settings; (rlane32) [03:05:40] but it shouldn't affect the wiki, just continue with the install [03:05:54] I can't continue [03:06:09] Full message: [03:06:12] "# PHP 5.2.6 installed # Found database drivers for: MySQL # PHP server API is cgi; using ugly URLs (index.php?title=Page_Title) # Have XML / Latin1-UTF-8 conversion support. # Session save path (/tmp) appears to be valid. # PHP's memory_limit is 48M. # Couldn't find Turck MMCache, eAccelerator, APC or XCache; cannot use these for object caching. Warning: shell_exec() has been disabled for security reasons in /home/rem [03:06:24] theocrite: if you want to internationalize content, looks like brion has conceeded to let int: continue to function (a dirty hack, but widely used on commons and other projects now): https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14404 [03:07:03] Tim! so are you and/or Angela going to share IRC cloaks now? (still weird gmax and kat do) [03:07:09] oceanix: paste it into a pastebin like rafb.net/paste [03:07:32] Splarka: no :) [03:07:36] theocrite: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Multichill/Template_i18n [03:07:52] http://rafb.net/p/taROzv99.html [03:08:03] we do have a shared website though, it's angtim.com [03:08:27] yay photos! \o/ [03:08:47] only one actually [03:10:50] was your tie silver? [03:11:50] it was gold [03:12:26] ooo [03:12:34] Splarka: thanks, I'll read this. [03:13:28] theocrite: this does rely on users being logged in and selecting other languages [03:14:06] if you want to do it for anon users based on their browser headers, there are some extensions appparently: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LanguageSelector [03:16:01] skial: Redirect is ok, but I was hoping for something like a redirect in apache which just took you to the other page, without haveing to click a link. Or am I doing something wrong? [03:16:31] Splarka: I didn't read the 1st link yet, but the second link seems to be focused on template, right ? Cause that's not what I was looking for. I'd be interressed in translating menus (main page, recent changes, "move", "watch", "upload" and so on). [03:16:50] oh, well that is already done as werdnum said [03:17:49] try going to preferences and changing the "language" [03:18:13] Oh, I missed what he said, sorry. Don't hesitate to hl me next time, so I won't make you loose your time :| [03:18:21] *Splarka grins [03:18:22] *werdnum stalks TimStarling on his wedding website. [03:18:38] So, I have this problem and can't continue with the install http://attackbunnypro.co.cc/images/AttackBunnyPicSmall.bmp [03:18:40] theocrite: but again that relies on users logging in to benefit [03:18:41] Gr.. [03:18:43] Wrong link [03:18:48] TimStarling: a *real* gold tie? [03:18:59] http://rafb.net/p/taROzv99.html [03:18:59] theocrite: http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:Group_statistics [03:21:00] I thought .au stood for Australia, not for gold [03:21:23] *werdnum throws rocks at Splarka [03:21:47] Splarka: Ok that was stupid, I totally forgot that you can change languages in preferences. However thanks for the "language selector based on browser prefs for anons users", this will be really useful. We do have visitors from all Europe, so it's valuable for us. [03:21:53] *Splarka catches, hopes they're from the Gold Coast [03:21:59] And thank you werdnum too. [03:23:52] Is brion here [03:25:08] techman224: naw, he's gone home. [03:25:44] never mind [03:27:16] 03(mod) Special: AddData should catch PHP error when template specified in form is invalid ( not a title) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14314 (10yaron57) [03:28:48] 03nad * r44143 10/trunk/extensions/CategoryWatch/CategoryWatch.php: use __CLASS__ in toString [03:29:09] No one had a fix with http://rafb.net/p/taROzv99.html ? [03:34:19] 03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582 (10ashtongj) [04:16:14] Is this a good place to ask questions regarding mixing RTL and LTR pages in one mediawiki project? [04:17:48] Yes. [04:26:07] is there a better way to put escaped large chunks of text in lists? [04:26:10] besides pre [04:26:15] pre seems to break lists [04:26:51] Bullet the list? [04:27:35] I am using * ** *** style lists [04:27:51] so that's bullets right [04:28:05] after I put a pre tag in the list, I can't resume the correct levels of the list [04:29:52] Ohh. [04:31:13] and the pre tagged stuff doesn't indent [04:31:14] could use manual
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    1. [04:31:45] or... you could transclude it with msgnw:, it nowikis everything except lists (for some reason) [04:32:39] that's a cool, word, transclude [04:32:43] heh [04:33:30] 'include' was used for a while [04:33:44] until it became kinda obvious templates moved sideways, backwards, and upside down [04:33:50] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Transclusion [04:39:41] nhuisman_: depending on what types of escape you want, you might find it easier to escape <{|[' to html entities, and/or wrap in , or replace space with   [04:40:28] i'm inserting tidbits of config files [04:40:34] in a list [04:40:39] i'll check out those suggestions [04:43:43] hmm [04:43:50] well you might want syntaxhilight with the "list" parameter [04:43:58] !geshi [04:43:58] --mwbot-- there are several extensions for syntax highlighting, see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Syntax_highlighting - the most popular one is at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi [04:44:17] no need for highlighting, just wanted a grey box [04:44:58] right, but it escapes and line-numbers magically [04:45:03] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi [04:45:29] unfortunately this mediawiki install isn't adminstered by me so no extensions. [04:48:51] *some text {{foo 㲺r [ [04:49:14] I'm trying to build a wiki site with some pages in Hebrew (RTL) and some pages in English (LTR) [04:49:50] Is there a way to define a page in specific lang. and have the data flows (Including the TOC) in the right direction? [04:50:06] (I installed wiki as English because this is the main lang. in use) [04:50:45] (I installed wiki as English because this is the main lang. in use) [04:52:35] well, you might be able to wrap a page in something like
      [04:53:14] and then copy the main.css stuff regarding content to your MediaWiki:Common.css, and reorganize it to only apply to descendants of .rtl-content (for things like TOC, headers, etc) [04:53:19] it wouldn't help with the UI though [04:53:38] er, the rtl.css stuff [04:55:50] Splarka, Thanks! I'll give it a try. regarding the GUI location, I can live with that. [04:56:48] BTW, Is there an easy way to change the default lang. of a Wiki after the installation? or to based it on a user id? [04:57:30] well, you could keep your content language english and set a default user language of something else... but that might be weird [04:58:02] you'd keep content localizations in english, like Special: page names, namespaces, and navigation links in English.. [04:58:19] but most other system messages in the UI would then become translated to the default language [04:59:33] And last question for now (I hope)... I have few different "projects" in this wiki. Should I give each of them a new namespce? [04:59:38] so, say for example you had a content language english, and user language french.. Mainpage would still be Main_Page, but the link to it would be "Accueil" [04:59:59] ^title of the link to it [05:03:07] that last question depends on your needs and preferences, namespaces aren't the best for categorization, better for segregation [05:03:49] 14(DUP) Interwiki links from a secure page should be to a secure page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16432 +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie) [05:03:50] 03(mod) secure.wikimedia.org has interwiki links to insecure sites - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5440 +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie) [05:04:20] I might have different users interest in different project and will need to permit editing on each project to different people [05:38:09] well,t his is lovely [05:38:22] after my templates are working for a while, they are back to showing random tags o.O [05:38:51] izackv: wikipedia does support RTL text [05:39:59] 03(NEW) #REDIRECT at MessagesRu.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16525 trivial; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (i.am.putnik) [05:51:31] http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/health/article5264677.ece [07:03:50] 03(mod) #REDIRECT at MessagesRu.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16525 +comment (10siebrand) [07:05:03] morning [07:06:20] 03(mod) CentralAuth global session not including wikispecies, incubator - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14407 summary (10raimond.spekking) [07:06:37] 03(NEW) Determining whether a user has email confirmed and enabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16526 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: API; (sco_scam) [07:06:43] 03(NEW) list=watchlist/recentchanges lacks a show/hide self option - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16527 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: API; (sco_scam) [07:15:17] greetings! [07:22:49] how can i create my own Channel on freenode !! [07:22:53] how can i create my own Channel on freenode !! [07:23:58] indistylo: joining it? [07:28:45] RingtailedFox: Sorry for missing your answer (hope you are still online) I had few issues with my computer that I had to resolve. [07:29:17] ok [07:29:19] i'm still here [07:29:28] Is there a guide to explain how to work with RTL in details? there are lots of issues to take care of... [07:31:04] I need the TOC to be RTL in some pages while LTR in others. Is that possible? (Without twikking some code files) [07:37:12] hmmm [07:37:43] the table of contents might be tricky...the simplest method would be to install two wikis... [07:37:53] another simple method would be to have two pages of each article, such as: [07:38:06] Document/EN and Document/HE (or whichever language code Hebrew is) [07:38:43] now, i have next to no experience with right-to-left text... [07:51:24] RingtailedFox: Thanks, I'll try to get into the code and fix some quick solution. I do have some ideas in mind :-) [07:51:51] ok [07:56:20] 03(mod) Changing back to #REDIRECT on nl.wikipedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16323 (10sumurai8) [08:04:16] Hi all. I'm lookig for public inquiry sytem for mediawiki, can't found any extension. Any idea? [08:04:50] the others may tell you to make your own, but i don't know how to make extensions, and i don't know mediawiki very well, sorry [08:05:35] i it is the last, i can program, but ... [08:27:56] 03(mod) #REDIRECT at MessagesRu.php - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16525 (10i.am.putnik) [08:29:35] 03(mod) #REDIRECT at MessagesRu.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16525 (10i.am.putnik) [09:47:07] how can I hide red links and display only the links to the existing pages? [09:50:45] you could unstyle them in css... [09:51:47] Splarka: I know, but I don't want the links to exist. [09:52:38] in MediaWiki:Monobook.css -> a.new {color:black; text-decoration:none; cursor:text; } would do quite well [09:53:42] people still click on them, even like that... :-/ [09:53:55] Red links are kinda the point of a wiki :) [09:54:12] or, a major part of the point of a wiki. [09:54:38] where are red links constructed? Linker? Title? [09:55:00] (or, where are links sorted into 'exists/special/interwiki' vs 'valid title but missing' [09:55:37] well, both Linker and Parser. [09:55:42] it seems that in Parser.php, which uses a function makeBrokenLinkObj in Linker [09:56:12] Best bet would be js, I presume. [09:56:23] or find the nearest hook and exploit it in an extension [09:56:36] just try not to hack the parser, that is Can of Worms city [09:56:52] http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/cheese-moe/All%20stuff/successtofail.jpg <-- it would be this [09:57:05] I'll try to hack in Linker :-) [09:57:17] just as bad, upgrade hard! [09:58:12] to make an extension I'd have to learn how to make extensions, and I suspect that takes more time than hacking around a couple of lines. [09:59:06] you could use the alternate method of showing redlinks [10:00:29] *Splarka tries it and checks the class [10:01:03] damn, just a CSS change [10:01:39] bogdan: do you have 1.13++ or older? [10:01:48] Splarka: latest version. [10:04:42] !the_missing_pie [10:04:42] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "the_missing_pie". [10:04:48] teeehee [10:05:05] !the_body_in_the_trunk_of_my_car [10:05:05] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "the_body_in_the_trunk_of_my_car". [10:05:59] huh, there is a hook for it [10:06:02] bogdan: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/BrokenLink [10:06:48] hey Duesentrieb_ [10:06:59] Splarka: I did the hacking in the source code: $s = "{$prefix}{$text}{$inside}{$trail}"; [10:07:03] I modified that. [10:07:05] *werdnum stabs Splarka [10:07:10] Warning Warning: This hook has been removed in 1.14, use LinkBegin or LinkEnd in that version! [10:07:29] *Splarka re-stabs werdnum [10:07:30] Splarka: latest version. [10:07:35] which can mean 1.13 or 1.14 [10:07:39] linking to that page covers ALL bases [10:07:49] *Splarka gives werdna the fail pie [10:08:02] !the_whereabouts_of_splarka's_brain [10:08:02] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "the_whereabouts_of_splarka's_brain". [10:08:19] http://www.icanhashamburger.com/ -- OMG, fail! [10:08:21] bogdan: do you have 1.13 or 1.14? [10:08:28] <_wooz> lo [10:09:24] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/LinkBegin "Warning - v1.14.0 has not been released yet. This feature may be modified or removed before final release." and wouldn't even work for someone with 1.13, unlike BrokenLink would [10:09:40] 1.13 [10:09:59] !werdna's_brain [10:09:59] --mwbot-- Yes, werdna is a fucking idiot [10:10:05] :O [10:10:11] !werdna's_brain del [10:10:11] --mwbot-- Successfully removed keyword: werdna's_brain [10:10:29] Now, now. [10:10:34] hey, you stabbed [10:10:43] knives and stones may break your bones [10:11:05] (also, I'd already deleted that alias before you did) [10:11:36] alias? [10:11:42] !botbrain [10:11:42] --mwbot-- http://toolserver.org/~amidaniel/botbrain.html [10:11:44] @dump [10:11:44] --mwbot-- A dump is now available at http://tools.wikimedia.de/~amidaniel/botbrain.html [10:11:47] !mwbot_doesn't_know_anything_about_whether_an_alias_exists_or_not_before_deleting_it del [10:11:47] --mwbot-- Successfully removed keyword: mwbot_doesn't_know_anything_about_whether_an_alias_exists_or_not_before_deleting_it [10:12:41] !nosuchmacro del [10:12:41] --mwbot-- Successfully removed keyword: nosuchmacro [10:12:44] etc [10:12:46] i've installed the latest and greatest mediawiki, but i don't have all the edit buttons that wikipedia has, for example the one for tables. how can i enable more buttons site-wide? [10:13:17] There aren't editbuttons for tables in MediaWiki. [10:13:17] !editbuttons [10:13:17] --mwbot-- See , also have a look at [10:13:59] hamburglar. [10:13:59] 03(NEW) Install extension "Quiz" on sv.wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16528 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (max.sonnelid) [10:14:06] werd: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/60/Button_insert_table.png [10:14:23] he said 'wikipedia' [10:14:46] it is a sucky button but it does insert an example table [10:14:59] well, there aren't on Wikipedia. [10:15:03] stiang: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js/edit.js [10:15:03] people just add them somewhere. [10:15:28] except there are when they do add them [10:16:24] stiang: be sure to add that to your Common.js and not an /edit.js subpage, unless you load it explicitly as en.wp does [10:19:54] Splarka: thanks, that worked. [10:21:36] is it kosher to refer to the wikimedia.org images or should i copy them to a local folder? [10:22:14] for the edit buttons, i mean [10:23:07] hotlinking is bad [10:23:26] (not that they'll ever notice or care, but karma does come back to you) [10:24:53] i'll download them, then [10:31:31] http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/6950/internet2a6e230duw1.jpg [10:31:32] does mediawiki have a breadcrumbs feature? [10:40:31] one less (set of) dns lookup(s) too, plus other benefits [10:42:12] mfoniso: http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Amediawiki.org+breadcrumbs [10:43:12] i haven't found any on the web - explicitly looking for one - but does anyone know of a lua script for url rewriting, for mediawiki to run it in lighttpd? [10:43:28] (pardon the bad grammar) [10:46:47] Splarka: thanks, I found that and I just finished setting it up [10:49:20] how do I tell what version of mediawiki is installed [10:50:18] go to Special:Version [10:51:07] 03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582 (10smccandlish) [10:51:40] Splarka: thanks [10:53:49] 03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582 (10smccandlish) [11:03:00] The breadcrumbs extension doesn't seem to work properly. Instead of showing breadcrumbs, it shows the title of the current page. Does anyone have it installed and working properly? [11:19:52] 03daniel * r44144 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/importImages.inc.php: fixed successive extension stripping [11:22:36] huh. CIA noteced my commit, but svn never returned for me. [11:22:39] great. [11:25:09] When I apply a block to a range, eg 127.0.0.1/18, I get a link to a talk page (this is on en.wikinews.org). If I put a message on that page will every IP in the block range see it? [11:25:19] no [11:25:36] pity [11:25:42] you could link to that talk page in the block message [11:25:52] good idea! thanks [11:26:34] note that most anon viewers don't care about blocks, if the view-to-edit ratios are to be believed [11:33:11] Ugh. I blocked an annoying /18 this morning and discovered the pain-in-the ass that was trolling is more likely in a /16 or /17 [11:37:18] binary math is fun [11:40:35] hola [11:40:37] n Akira [11:40:45] n DarkCo0oL [11:40:50] Alguien habla espa�ol? [11:41:15] hola? [11:52:35] Splarka: I manage with IPv4 as I can remember all my powers of two up to 1024. :P [11:55:44] hola alguien habla espa�ol [11:58:08] Hello [12:16:05] 03(mod) #REDIRECT at MessagesRu.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16525 +comment (10innocentkiller) [12:33:01] Hmm, how would we describe $wgExtraNamespaces in a configuration page? [12:33:09] I used 'Namespace Overrides', but Brion doesn't like that. [12:34:09] 03(mod) list=watchlist/recentchanges lacks a show/hide self option - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16527 (10innocentkiller) [12:34:30] *werdnum attacks ^demon [12:34:53] *^demon gets attacked [12:34:58] *^demon dies, briefly. [12:35:06] ^demon: how would you describe the $wgExtraNamespaces variable? [12:35:23] hey ialex|away [12:35:27] oh, he's away. [12:35:50] <^demon> An array of extra namespaces that a user can define. Format being $id => $name. [12:36:09] But it's not just extra namespaces./ [12:36:25] 03(mod) list=watchlist/recentchanges lacks a show/hide self option - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16527 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [12:36:30] <^demon> Howso? [12:36:56] You can set $wgExtraNamespaces[NS_TALK] = 'Discussion' [12:37:02] and it overrides the canonical name. [12:37:04] <^demon> True. [12:37:16] <^demon> But that's not typical :) [12:37:26] I think it's important enough to be considered in the name [12:37:34] I originally had 'Namespace overrides', but Brion didn't like that. [12:38:31] <^demon> A lot of $wg vars names suck :p [12:38:38] hehe [12:38:55] I'm just trying to think of a more sensible name so I can cross it off my todo and put in this big commit :P [12:38:59] 'Custom[ize[d]] namespaces' [12:39:14] possibly. [12:39:16] werdnum: which big commit? [12:39:27] ialex: This is my commit message so far: [12:40:03] Configure extension updates: * Fix some register_globals stuff. * Fix recaching per-request. * Move timestamp from the keys of a data array to an element in the values. It's *probably* okay as a unique index, but I guess I shouldn't be lazy. * Ignore metadata when getting settings (file handler). * Kill a random unused message. * Hack around the problem of duplicate files with the same timestamp by fudging forward a second. [12:40:05] <^demon> Why can't Roan be on IRC when he's doing BZ updates :) [12:41:03] ialex: Was I right in killing getDefaultsForWiki() [12:41:11] It didn't seem to work as it's supposed to :) [12:41:26] werdnum: worked for me :) [12:41:32] okie [12:41:36] let me see if I can correct it [12:41:48] ialex: I think you're doing the wrong thing in it. [12:42:03] You seem to be trying to get the settings for that wiki AFTER, not BEFORE Configure updates it. [12:42:34] A possible explanation is that you're assuming that $wgConf->settings doesn't include the settings modified by the Configure extension (it does). [12:43:31] werdnum: there's a "$this->settings = $this->mOldSettings;" at the top of the function tough [12:43:40] eww. [12:43:55] All of this messing around scares the hell out of me. [12:44:15] (the whole "Replacing the contents of variables, and then changing them back") [12:44:28] yeah, I know [12:46:43] Okay, so just to run through what it's supposed to do: [12:46:55] 1. Restore $this->settings to its state before Configure started pulling shit from the DB [12:47:24] 2. For any settings prefixed with '+' (i.e. settings which need it), temporarily change the global back to its original state. [12:48:26] 3. Retrieve the settings as they would have been extracted without Configure's updates. [12:48:32] 4. Put $this->settings back to how it was before. [12:49:38] 5. Put the globals back to how they were before. [12:50:16] 6. For all the settings, take the customised version from $this->settings (if applicable) or the default from $this->getDefaults(); [12:50:46] Is that right? [12:52:46] yeah [12:54:08] hmm [12:54:20] It *sounds* okay, but it's so hacky and ugly :-( [12:54:25] I can't think of many better ways, though. [12:57:05] ialex: aha, got it. [12:57:19] oh wait, no. [12:57:20] never mind. [12:57:25] :( [12:57:46] werdnum: what was it? [12:58:03] I thought you were grabbing from $GLOBALS, but you're not, you're grabbing from $globalDefaults. [12:58:06] misread your assignments. [12:58:50] hmm, why the hell diff=default is taking so long :( [13:00:21] *werdnum shrugs. [13:00:58] 03werdna * r44145 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (5 files): (log message trimmed) [13:00:58] Configure extension updates: [13:00:58] * Fix some register_globals stuff. [13:00:58] * Fix recaching per-request. [13:00:58] * Move timestamp from the keys of a data array to an element in the values. It's *probably* okay as a unique index, but I guess I shouldn't be lazy. [13:01:01] * Ignore metadata when getting settings (file handler). [13:01:03] * Kill a random unused message. [13:03:24] ialex: > file_put_contents( '/tmp/getDefaultsForWiki', print_r( $wgConf->getDefaultsForWiki( 'wiki_andrew' ), true ) ) [13:03:27] > file_put_contents( '/tmp/getDefaults', print_r( $wgConf->getDefaults( ), true ) ) [13:03:42] andrew@werdna:/var/wiki$ diff -u /tmp/getDefaults /tmp/getDefaultsForWiki [13:03:45] hey, what? [13:03:48] there's no difference :/ [13:03:54] nothing? :) [13:04:00] *werdnum wtfs [13:04:05] there was seriously a bug! [13:04:33] werdnum: if you don't use $wgConf->settings, this is normal, otherwise not [13:04:47] hm. [13:04:58] Which rev did I disable getDefaultsForWiki in? [13:05:22] [[Special:Code/MediaWiki/author/werdna]] :P [13:05:38] *werdnum lazy. [13:05:44] sec [13:05:52] 44107 [13:06:17] and 44108 [13:06:40] mmhmm [13:07:45] 03(NEW) fix IE bug in mwsuggest. js os_eventKeydown where keycode is undefined - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16529 major; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (mick) [13:12:21] hey wtf [13:12:28] somebody made the sort order go back the wrong way again. [13:12:37] oh, I know why it did that. [13:12:48] my fault :) [13:13:41] hehe :) [13:14:49] 03werdna * r44146 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (3 files): Put timestamp back in the keys for getArchiveVersions again. I forgot that we were using that to sort on. [13:15:57] Okay, that definitely re-broke my setup. [13:18:14] ialex: see http://wiki.werdn.us/andrew/scripts/index.php?title=Special:ViewConfig&version=20081202131148&diff=20081201123404 [13:18:25] ialex: All I changed was the subtitle [13:18:35] ialex: but the stuff gets marked as removed because of removeDefaults [13:18:47] The action you have requested is limited to users in the group: Sysops. [13:18:53] *ialex cries [13:18:55] :-/ [13:19:12] I'd give you the group rights, but the convenient configuration interface seems broken :P [13:19:23] but dunno why I restricted ViewConfig to sysop since it can be public [13:19:27] :) [13:19:59] $wgGroupPermissions['*']['viewconfig'] = true; [13:20:01] refresh [13:20:34] just created "IAlex" account [13:20:37] :) [13:20:56] "0:0:0:FFFF:85:3:158:76" IPv6 <3 [13:20:59] hehehe [13:21:14] You're now a sysop/bureaucrat. [13:21:29] have a look. [13:22:15] ialex: can you see what happened, though? [13:22:26] It removed defaults [13:22:38] yeah, except those aren't defaults it removed. [13:22:40] they were just the settings. [13:24:03] ialex: but if I change getDefaultsForWiki() to getDefaults(), it works. [13:24:30] werdnum: which non-default were removed in that diff? [13:25:29] ialex: web servers that return ::ffff:a.b.c.d for IPv4 addresses are pretty fail [13:25:38] > var_dump( $wgConf->getDefaults() == $wgConf->getDefaultsForWiki( 'wiki_andrew' ) ); [13:25:42] bool(true) [13:25:45] yksinaisyyteni: my server :( [13:25:51] must be lighttpd. [13:26:13] ialex: $wgSitename, $wgLogo, $wgGroupPermissions. [13:28:33] ialex: I didn't touch those settings, but they were detected as changed back to the default. [13:29:08] werdnum: did you chage $wgConf->getDefaultsForWiki back to $wgConf->getDefaults in the last minutes? [13:29:21] ialex: don't think so. [13:29:55] svn diff extensions gives only the undoing of r44107-8 [13:29:55] "The configuration could not be saved" [13:30:01] Why not? [13:30:08] dunno :) [13:31:18] 3 times now [13:33:02] ialex: try now [13:33:05] should give some debugging output [13:33:57] Note that under Default Values, $wgLogo is set [13:37:09] all settings matched defaults [13:37:42] that was a dummy edit [13:38:20] Yes, but note that wgLogo was set to the logo which is in Configure, not the logo which is in my Settings file. [13:38:31] (there is no logo in my settings file) [13:41:40] Notice: Array to string conversion in /var/wiki/extensions/Configure/Configure.diff.php on line 346
      [13:42:26] if (defined($settings['default'][$key])) [13:42:50] How the fuck would that be an array-to-string conversion? [13:43:44] defined O_o [13:43:57] they're not constants! [13:43:58] oh, duh [13:44:00] stupid me. [13:44:02] should be isset [13:44:12] might be yeah :P [13:44:59] 03werdna * r44147 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/Configure.diff.php: defined-->isset. Too much Perl. [13:45:05] :D [13:45:17] Although I think 'too much perl' is an oxymoron. [13:45:19] <3 perl. [13:55:57] ialex: http://werdn.us/~andrew/defaults-diff.txt [13:56:12] that's the differences between the result of getDefaults and getDefaultsForWiki respectively. [13:56:56] defaults1 is getDefaults? [13:57:03] yeah\ [13:59:24] this is strange ... [14:00:06] I know, it's making me wtf. [14:00:20] confuses the hell out of me. [14:01:05] I'm going to step through getDefaultsForWiki and see if what I get is what I expect [14:11:48] ialex: I'm a bit confused. It *looks* like mOldSettings is being corrupted somehow. [14:11:57] ooooh, I know... [14:12:05] reference [14:12:13] I know exactly what the problem is. [14:12:20] \o/ [14:12:26] *werdnum dances the "I got it" dance. [14:12:39] We re-call initialise to reload without caching whenever you're loading Special:Configure, right? [14:13:15] Now, when we call initialise, we populate $this->mOldSettings with the settings that were in place when we call it. [14:13:16] *ialex remembers to already had fixed that [14:13:23] To guard against this problem, we use this check: [14:13:36] if( !count( $this->mOldSettings ) ) [14:13:36] $this->mOldSettings = $this->settings; [14:13:36] else [14:13:36] $this->settings = $this->mOldSettings; [14:13:39] BUT [14:13:46] what if I haven't defined any settings at all? [14:13:51] hehe [14:14:01] then the count will be zero, and the first branch will ALWAYS be called. [14:14:41] *werdnum fixes with two half-lines of code. [14:14:48] :D [14:18:11] *werdnum commits. [14:18:40] 03werdna * r44148 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (Configure.obj.php Configure.page.php): [14:18:40] Fix getDefaultsForWiki. [14:18:40] Was broken due to a very insidious bug of using count() to check if an array had been set. Changed to using NULLs instead. [14:18:40] I'm glad my reports of errors were not, as they seemed to be, hallucinatory consequences of the hour. [14:20:03] Do you like my highlighting of changes? [14:20:16] Brion's idea. [14:22:32] 1:22am [14:22:40] good night :D [14:22:45] I guess I will probably do some UI stuff tomorrow. [14:22:48] and yes [14:23:07] either the $wgRateLimits stuff, the JS search, or the summaries for collapse-boxes. [14:23:21] and to procrastinate I will probably not show 'expand' if there is more than one section [14:23:21] \o/ [14:23:34] because I won't feel like doing any of that big stuff, so I will knock out the small stuff :P [14:23:43] werdnum: I put $wgAutopromote on the list :) [14:23:53] I noticed. [14:23:57] Bastard, giving me more work :P [14:24:12] hehe :) [14:24:33] How old are you, by the way? [14:24:44] *werdnum is figuring out if he should buy you a beer or a chocolate when in Suisse. [14:28:38] werdnum: 20 [14:28:51] old enough for a beer, then :P [14:28:57] en Suisse, at least. [14:29:04] *ialex doesn't drink beer [14:29:12] *werdnum neither. [14:29:18] *werdnum will think of something. [14:29:25] O_o [14:31:04] whee, I poked a hole in my firewall for SSH [14:31:17] now, I don't have to go to California and back to connect to my laptop from 2 km away. [14:31:42] (previously, I had the source and destination computers running SSH tunnels to a common server in California) [14:36:05] 14(INVALID) Add a new source language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16399 +comment (10innocentkiller) [15:44:17] Hi, I'm looking for public inquiry sytem for mediawiki, can't found any extension. Any idea? [15:44:34] i don't even know what that is. [15:45:43] 03raymond * r44149 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialIpblocklist.php: Move show/hide links into the searchForm and thereby into the fieldset for consistency with other special page with show/hide links [15:48:38] 03(mod) External link icons are not displayed for RTL in Monobook - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16502 (10gangleri) [15:48:39] 03(mod) RTL/bidirectional issues (tracking) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745 (10gangleri) [15:53:01] 03raymond * r44150 10/trunk/extensions/LookupUser/LookupUser.i18n.php: CamelCase consistency tweak: Special:Emailuser -> Special:EmailUser [15:56:35] hi everybody [15:58:48] I have mediawiki installed locally. I want to rename the folder that contains all the files, but if I do so I get an error when I try to access the wiki.. is there a way to fix that please? [16:02:18] AzizLight: change the references from the old name to the new name in LocalSettings.php [16:04:19] if by refererence to the old name you mean $wgScriptPath then I tried to change that and I was still getting redirected to /[oldname]/index.php/Main_Page ... [16:16:10] I'm just reading stuff in meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki and it says their: "# From April 2006 Wikimedia sites were using the continuous development version, it is called using the Subversion, which are using the version 1.14alpha (r43634)." Isn't that dangerous, having the svn-version going public on all sites? [16:16:32] jouhle_, it only goes live after (brief) review. [16:16:57] If something breaks, it's usually easy to figure out what and fix it right away, because you only have a week's worth of commits or whatever to check through. [16:19:04] okay. so furthermore commiters are having more responsibility because if nobody reviews commits constantly all wikimedia-sites may go down ^^. Is it like every week that somebody installs the current svn version or how does it work? or is their some document having infos about the process? i'm really curious ... [16:21:13] jouhle_, no commit goes live without review. The latest version goes live when a reviewer (generally Tim or Brion) takes the time to review all recent commits, briefly test them, and revert any that look bad. [16:21:29] The exact timeframe varies, sometimes a few days between updates and sometimes a few weeks. [16:23:49] thx :) [16:29:09] 03(NEW) Edit summaries containing multiple autocomments are broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16530 minor; normal; MediaWiki: History/Diffs; (paul.copperman) [16:53:23] Hi, is there a way to hide navigation panel (left column) in MediaWiki 1.4.7 for "presentation mode"? [16:55:53] matveev, 1.4.7 is completely obsolete and likely has multiple known unpatched security vulnerabilities. You should really, really upgrade. There's no such function I know of in any version of MediaWiki, anyway. [16:56:49] Is there a way to add chinese characters to spamregex? [16:57:04] isolationx, you should be able to just type them in. [16:57:56] so it's unicode? [17:21:48] How can I create a two collums texto block with that silver grey background ? [17:22:27] hello [17:23:06] does anyone know how to control the logout time when i am editing a page? [17:26:10] 03ialex * r44151 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (5 files): [17:26:10] * Per aaron: more efficiency for some requests: [17:26:10] ** added $options to WebConfiguration::listArchiveVersions() and WebConfiguration::getArchiveVersions() that allow to restrict queries for one wiki and limit the number of results [17:26:11] ** introduced WebConfiguration::versionExists() to check if a specific version exists rather than loading all versions and checking if it's in the list [17:26:13] * Might fix problem for settings merging: added array_unique() in WebConfiguration::mergeArrays() for "simple" arrays [17:33:08] Simetrical: thanks! Vulnerabilities are not critical --- this is a wiki on *intra*net. [17:43:38] 03(NEW) Generic Edit Page: Bad Request when using the category suggestion box - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16531 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Uniwiki; (minuteelectron) [17:46:58] 03(NEW) Toolbar: PHP notices on attachment page (MediaWiki 1.13+) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16532 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Uniwiki; (minuteelectron) [17:48:15] 03(NEW) Toolbar: User is not informed that an upload is overwriting an existing file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16533 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Uniwiki; (minuteelectron) [17:49:18] 03(NEW) Toolbar: User is not returned to the upload page after logging in - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16534 trivial; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Uniwiki; (minuteelectron) [17:50:10] 03(NEW) Toolbar: Once an image is uploaded no text appears in the edit box - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16535 minor; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Uniwiki; (minuteelectron) [17:51:19] 03(NEW) Toolbar: No text on attachment pop-up after submit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16536 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Uniwiki; (minuteelectron) [17:52:32] i hope wikibugs is getting overtime, MinuteElectron [17:54:36] :) [17:55:57] 03(NEW) Toolbar: "undefined" appears inside the math and nowiki tags, when no text is selected - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16537 trivial; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Uniwiki; (minuteelectron) [17:57:10] 03(NEW) Layouts: HTTP redirect loop on existing pages in the main namespace. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16538 major; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Uniwiki; (minuteelectron) [17:58:49] 03(NEW) Layouts: Optional sections are not included when generic edit page is not installed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16539 minor; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Uniwiki; (minuteelectron) [17:59:48] 03(NEW) Layouts: Title locking does not work at all - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16540 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Uniwiki; (minuteelectron) [18:02:27] 03vyznev * r44152 10/trunk/extensions/ImageMap/ImageMap_body.php: avoid spamming logs with "PHP Strict Standards: Non-static method DOMDocument::loadXML() should not be called statically" with E_NOTICE and E_STRICT enabled [18:05:11] Howdy, is there a way I can make my mediawiki install password protected so only user can view it? [18:07:42] 03(mod) Rename the "Image" namespace to "File" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44 (10nospam) [18:08:53] Lucias_O`Neil: you mean no anonymous access? read about $wgGroupPermissions [18:09:37] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights [18:10:28] Yeah that's what I'm looking for, thanks. [18:10:35] you know better pointer to information [18:22:05] 14(DUP) parserTests.php always assumes $wgDBprefix is 'parsertest_' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16374 +comment (10nospam) [18:22:07] 03(mod) Parser tests broken by r40209 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15892 +comment (10nospam) [18:24:10] {{PAGENAME}} gives HTML equivalents for things like apostrophes, how can I get them as real apostrophes? [18:26:05] 03ialex * r44153 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (Configure.handler-files.php Configure.pager-files.php): now that files handler also has user and reason, use them in ConfigurationPagerFiles :) [18:30:41] anyone know what variable in Defaultsettings.php controls the auto logout idle time? [18:31:15] $wgCookieExpiration? (default: 30 days) [18:33:08] ialex: i was looking at that, but when i am editing, it logs me out within 30 minutes of idle, so when i go to save a page after i have been writing for some time, i lose my page and have to use the back button, so this variable you suggested needs to be made higher? [18:33:44] qbwdp: might be the session expiration, which is a PHP setting [18:33:59] ialex: ah nice, let me look at that then, thank you [18:51:28] 03maikmerten * r44154 10/trunk/cortado/src/com/fluendo/player/DurationScanner.java: [18:51:28] de-moronize some of my code. Small question for interested readers: [18:51:28] Why is it a good idea to read byte[] arrays from an InputStream, stuff them into [18:51:28] a ByteArrayOuputStream, turning that into one byte[] array, creating a [18:51:28] ByteArrayInputStream, reading byte[] arrays from it and finally write those into [18:51:31] the Ogg demuxer? [18:51:33] No idea? Good, because that was freaking retarded. [18:55:42] 03ialex * r44155 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/Configure.diff.php: Fix some errors [18:55:43] lawl at that commit summary [19:01:25] :D [19:03:01] the problem are not byte[] arrays and InputStream, the problem is using java ^-^ [19:03:38] hahah [19:03:50] brion, we should start a competition of the years best commit summary ;) [19:05:41] {{PAGENAME}} gives HTML equivalents for things like apostrophes, how can I get them as real apostrophes? [19:05:44] I moved a mediawiki to a new server, and now my images are not displaying. I'm not sure why, but the seem to be pointing to an incorrect directory. Any help? [19:06:02] define "moved", what did you move? [19:06:40] Reedy: The whole website directory & Database. I've done this once before...and I upgraded, I'm sure, [19:07:06] right permission on the images/upload directory? [19:07:15] have you got the directory set properly in local settings [19:07:20] !moving mediawiki [19:07:20] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Moving_a_wiki [19:07:40] Ich: http://www.utexas.edu/learn/html/spchar.html [19:08:04] iCh: ’ or ’ [19:08:27] *ewanchic looking [19:09:48] reedy: Looking at the website, I'm positive all that is on track, but I could be wrong. Getting back to permissions.... [19:10:07] probably something simple overloooked :) [19:10:28] everything is permissioned to www-data:www-data. I have an images directory, which also has the thumbs, archive, and... [19:10:32] *ewanchic is looking some more [19:10:45] and temp [19:11:18] ewanchic, thanks, but it seems that you didn't understand my question [19:11:30] I'll write a custom parser function [19:11:48] however, When I open up a source file from a formatted page, I get something like... /images/4/47/Windows_Server_2003_Standard_Edition_Setup_012.png But, the images itself is not being displayed....becuase it's not there I take it. [19:12:04] Ich: ok [19:12:36] dont the upload permissions need to be different IIRC? [19:12:45] file permissions for the upload dir [19:12:55] *ewanchic is checking [19:13:28] drwxr-xr-x 2 www-data www-data 4096 2008-05-29 11:41 archive [19:13:28] drwxr-xr-x 2 www-data www-data 4096 2008-05-29 11:41 temp [19:13:28] drwxr-xr-x 14 www-data www-data 4096 2008-07-01 14:42 thumb [19:15:46] 03ialex * r44156 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (CHANGELOG Configure.php): CHANGELOG entry and bump version [19:22:36] 03ialex * r44157 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/mv_embed/jquery/plugins/ (jquery.json-1.3.js jquery.json-1.3.min.js): svn:eol-style native [19:31:07] Reedy: Well, kinda odd, but It's working all of a sudden. I seem to remember this happening before. I set $wgEnableUploads = true; Which I needed to do anyway, and then $wgHashedUploadDirectory = true; and then $wgHashedUploadDirectory = false; And now they show up. I set $wgEnableUploads = false; but it did not hide the images. Looking at the html source, it's pointing correctly again. [19:31:40] Reedy: I've got a second website with the same issue. I'll test it on that as well. [19:36:19] Reedy: hmm, well in that example the $wgHashedUploadDirectory = false; was commented out. So that doesn't really apply. I uncommented it and it worked. [19:40:36] Thanks [19:51:10] is there a maintenance script to force reparsing of an article? [19:59:05] 03brion * r44158 10/civicrm/trunk/sites/all/bin/public_reporting/triggers.sql: add charset on the temporary variable; we think this was the culprit in data corruption of names (default server charset was latin-1) [19:59:06] lch: one? action=purge as a url params. for all, just touch your LocalSettings.php [19:59:20] no, I meant several [19:59:43] so touch the settings file. that purges all caches. [20:00:00] hm, okay, but does this reparse articles, too? [20:00:13] some had parsing errors before and I need them to add to their categories [20:01:00] yes. [20:01:04] it purges *all* caches [20:01:45] ah [20:01:58] so that stuff is done with jobs, then, I see [20:02:24] I found maintenance/purgeList.php and used that on my links [20:05:54] hallo zusammen [20:06:38] kann mir jemand verraten wie ich einen unangemeldeten User die Rechte zum editieren einer Seite gebe? [20:07:43] Can anyone of you telling me how to give a default visitor edit privileges? [20:09:03] The Infobar above the content (Edit, Versions, etc.) won't be viewed for anonymous [20:18:45] !access | mv-- [20:18:45] --mwbot-- mv--: For information on customizing user access, see . For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see . [20:19:15] I've read this doku... :-( [20:19:31] 03(NEW) list=logevents doesn't give block expiry time - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16541 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: API; (matthew.britton) [20:22:49] 03(mod) block options not shown in Special:Log/gblblock - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16252 summary (10mikelifeguard) [20:23:24] 03(mod) please add "Prevent account creation" to global block - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15273 (10mikelifeguard) [20:24:01] 03(mod) please add "Prevent account creation" to global block - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15273 (10mikelifeguard) [20:25:40] 03(mod) Improve filtering and search in Special:Log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12984 (10mikelifeguard) [20:26:37] 03(mod) The way to search blocked usernames in block log should be clearer - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1697 +comment (10mikelifeguard) [20:28:51] 03(mod) Allow whitelisted external hyperlinks in edit summary/block log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14892 +comment (10mikelifeguard) [20:29:55] 03(mod) Restore the global CheckUser log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13789 +comment (10mikelifeguard) [20:30:11] Duesentrieb: since my templates are acting up again, should i try pointing mediawiki to my host's HTML tidy installation? [20:30:17] HTML Tidy came with PHP [20:30:56] you should be using tidy, yes... but i don't know if internal or external is better [20:31:08] ok [20:31:47] the only line i have regarding tidy is this: $wgUseTidy=true; [20:39:25] isn't anyone else than me in need of a way better implementation of the cite-extension used also on wikipedia? [20:39:55] piksi: No, Wikibooks wants stuff done to that extension too. [20:40:02] What are you needing? [20:41:59] Mike_lifeguard: well, i noticed that when there are lots of references and long references, they clog up the actual article. that's why imo it would be vastly better to allow only short refs in the article text and define the actual content in the section in the *end* of teh article [20:42:18] Mike_lifeguard: and also... i would so much love bibtex referencing format (import/export/data structure) [20:42:18] Sure, we'd like that. [20:42:33] *Mike_lifeguard mehs at the second suggestion :) [20:42:43] what's wrong with that? :-) [20:43:14] It's just not something we need, I think. [20:43:21] maybe it is something you need [20:43:27] I have some grand plans for the cite extenstion, if I'm lucky, I'll get around to it sometime in the next few years [20:43:38] We like having very flexible refs (ie show me what I type) [20:44:12] Mike_lifeguard: yeah i kind of understand that. and actually i already figured out a way to modify it to allow bibtex-type refs [20:44:14] I'd love to use the ref system for notes, footnotes, and endnotes (which may be elsewhere) [20:44:31] I wonder how much of this is in bugzilla... [20:44:59] *MrZ-man still needs to get around to reviwing changes to his cite script on enwiki [20:45:45] Cacycle got tired of waiting for me to make it compatible with wikEd and did it himself [20:46:23] i would be awesomely happy with just seeing my first suggestion implemented [20:46:49] and i have a hunch that code-wise it wouldn't be all that hard to implement [20:47:01] i might even be able to hack it together myself being the lousy php coder that i am [21:02:52] 03mrzman * r44159 10/trunk/extensions/uniwiki/CreatePage/ (CreatePage.i18n.php CreatePage_body.php): [21:02:52] Code cleanup: [21:02:52] *Use Xml functions instead of hardcoded HTML [21:02:52] *Fix XHTML errors [21:02:52] *Don't use JavaScript where PHP will do [21:02:54] *Check for invalid titles on submit [21:02:56] *Put the form into a fieldset [21:07:12] if i want to add anything from the common.css file where do I put it? [21:12:35] pheezer: [[Common.css[[ [21:13:13] pheezer: oops: [[Mediawiki:Common.css]] [21:21:01] 03(NEW) Live Preview functionality for "Show changes" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16542 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (AlexSm) [21:28:08] anomie: what's exactly achieved with ".blur()" on your ajaxpreview button? [21:28:30] how come my logo only shows up when the login page is loaded? [21:29:05] AlexSm - I had a complaint that someone would hit "space" to try scrolling down the page, and it would instead re-preview [21:29:46] ah, ok, thank you [22:00:05] !logo | pheezer [22:00:05] --mwbot-- pheezer: The logo that appears in the top left of each page is determined by $wgLogo in the LocalSettings.php file. To change this you simply change the value of $wgLogo to point to the URL of your own logo. See for more information. Be sure $wgLogo is set to an absolute path, starting with "/" (or a protocol "http:"/"https:"). If you are using pretty URLs a relative path will behave oddly. [22:00:29] pheezer: note the bit about the *absolute* path [22:16:41] 03(NEW) bad blacklist regexp - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16543 04BLOCKER; normal; MediaWiki: Blocking; (wikimedia.org) [22:19:02] 14(INVALID) bad blacklist regexp - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16543 +comment (10mikelifeguard) [22:20:00] trigger finger [22:22:18] enwikibooks blacklisted /.*[A-Z ]{10,}/? that's hilarious [22:23:25] o_O [22:23:26] hi [22:23:37] yksinaisyyteni: ten consecutive uppercase chars at the end?... [22:24:33] Duesentrieb: it apparently is not case sensitive [22:24:44] ugh! [22:24:46] bwahaha [22:31:08] 03(mod) Create XML category dumps - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16176 +comment (10Keisial) [22:40:06] AaronSchulz: Ping? [22:44:16] yksinaisyyteni: enwikiquote :) [22:44:23] and they've fixed it now [22:44:45] would have been sooner but buddy wouldn't tell me what wiki he was talking about :\ [22:46:01] 03brion * r44160 10/trunk/extensions/ContributionReporting/ContributionReporting.php: [22:46:01] * use firstcall init to set function hook [22:46:01] * fix timestamp format on parser function [22:47:14] 03(mod) Enable RevisionDelete on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15644 summary; +comment (10public) [22:47:15] 03(mod) Special: RevisionDelete should have clearer logs for individual revisions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15814 (10public) [22:47:36] brion: I forgot that civicrm != MediaWiki :) [22:47:50] o_O [22:48:05] brion: (and therefore uses a different timestamp format...) [22:48:45] :) [22:49:52] 03(mod) Special: RevisionDelete should have clearer logs for individual revisions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15814 (10mikelifeguard) [22:49:55] 03(mod) Enable RevisionDelete on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15644 (10janhelgewolf) [22:50:17] 03(mod) Enable RevisionDelete on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15644 (10mikelifeguard) [22:52:53] http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Bubsy+3D&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq= [22:52:59] brion: lol, google vandalism [22:53:35] AaronSchulz: where? [22:54:18] 03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582 (10alexfusco5) [22:54:55] lol, the article still has other funny stuff too [22:55:07] 'Bubsy actively speaks throughout the game based on various actions performed by the player however there is thankfully an option to turn Bubsy's voice off during mediocre gameplay.' [22:55:43] AaronSchulz: I think the obvious question on all of our lips is "Why the fuck were you searching google for Bubsy 3D?" [22:58:41] tsk tsk [23:01:36] *werdnum ran out of other stuff to do, has to work on the tasks he's been dreading for Configure extension. [23:01:51] AaronSchulz: oh, I know how to procrastinate... what's this register_globals issue you spotted? [23:02:32] I commented in code review [23:02:34] 03tomasz * r44161 10/trunk/extensions/ContributionReporting/ContributionReporting.php: rounding amount to match other meters [23:02:36] My understanding is that register_globals means you should never use a config var before explicitly giving it a value. [23:03:03] just check the 'use this extension' box for something, put the var in the url, and go to sp:extensions [23:04:12] AaronSchulz: how'd you like to do some enhancements to mw's mysql search backend? [23:04:50] lemme check [23:04:59] you mean the +space thingy? [23:06:51] hmmm i'm not sure what the +space thingy is :D [23:06:56] but maybe that too [23:07:16] any bugs fixed are good bugs ;) [23:07:27] :D [23:07:32] lemme pull up my notes and write em up on wiki [23:07:33] well [23:07:48] as long as it doesnt break something else bringing in other regressions ;) [23:08:21] brion: the padding to allow searching short terms [23:08:23] o_0 24 API bugs [23:08:41] yeah there's some related things, some easy some harder [23:09:27] do the added quips on bugzilla get checked frequently? :P [23:12:46] lol [23:12:49] Graphics: 2/10 [23:12:50] Bubsy's world looks like it was built out of old milk cartons by a group of first graders from a country that had never seen milk cartons before. [23:13:23] *werdnum giggles. [23:13:32] http://www.seanbaby.com/nes/egm17.htm [23:14:14] heh [23:14:16] AaronSchulz: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Search_issues [23:14:39] scathing complains?...this will be good [23:15:17] :D [23:15:33] brion: incidentally, do you want me to finish that hitcountery stuff? [23:15:42] oooh yeah [23:16:12] How exactly is that supposed to fit in with my project schedule :P [23:16:24] hm :) [23:17:48] werdnum: maybe configure could ping irc on change [23:17:50] true. let's stick with the other stuff then and i'll move that project around [23:19:18] AaronSchulz: Maybe, or maybe we could just have it publish a log entry. [23:19:31] *gasp* you crazy kids and your logging [23:19:38] hehe [23:19:46] I spent forever getting Configure's logging up to scratch! [23:20:03] It didn't even log which *user* did which change before I got to it :P [23:20:23] oh, the user doesn't matter XD [23:21:02] anything that does? [23:24:44] 03(WONTFIX) Improve behavior of rollback if diff to last sighted version is from several authors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16467 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [23:26:18] brion: is padding really cleaner than config tweaks? [23:27:35] AaronSchulz: padding works without any human intervention whatsoever [23:27:42] config tweaks require: [23:27:49] a) the person installing the wiki to find out he has to do it [23:27:56] b) the person installing the wiki figuring out how to do it [23:28:03] c) the person installing the wiki to actually be able to do it at all [23:28:17] for instance he may be on a shared server and have no ability to change server configuration [23:29:01] well, it's certainly easier [23:29:23] well it's easier for us to stand by while end-users kittens are being murdered :) [23:29:57] stopwords and minimum lengths for words to be indexed are basically stupid idiotic crap that mysql really shouldn't do, and we have to jump through hoops to make it not hurt our users [23:35:26] AaronSchulz: Any status update on: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15814 ? :-) [23:39:16] I'm waiting till a schema change can be done [23:41:59] brion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Custer%27s_Revenge [23:42:06] wow that may be worse than *ET* [23:44:09] heh [23:44:11] ah, 8-bit porn [23:44:23] what is best chmod for images/ 777 or 755 ? [23:44:40] there is no "best", it depends entirely on your environment [23:44:46] and it's called a 'mode', not a 'chmod'... [23:44:48] brion: I wasn't gonna click that link, but now I'm curious :D [23:45:37] The focused media attention caused the game to sell approximately 80,000 copies, twice as many copies as Mystique's other X-rated games, Bachelor Party and Beat 'Em & Eat 'Em. [23:45:46] yksinaisyyteni: i allowed the user to upload images, and will know what is risk in that? [23:46:23] S-i-A: it depends on wether you are on a shared server, wether you run mod_php or suphp, and some more things. [23:46:26] there's no somple answer. [23:47:10] Duesentrieb: oh thanks, ok i set it to 777 :) [23:47:28] S-i-A: that'll work, but it's dagerous on a shared host. [23:47:35] "ok thanks, i don't want to bother understanding, i'll just guess" [23:48:18] Duesentrieb: how can i secure that? [23:48:26] Samak Sundaravej's resignation from the Premiership after the Constitutional Court found him guilty of hosting a cooking show while acting as Prime Minister [23:48:35] High crimes and misdemeanours - hosting a cooking show. [23:48:40] I can see how that might warrant impeachmend. [23:48:42] It hasn't been since slackware in '94 since I been near a *nix flavoured boxen, so I hope yall dont mind me being rusty..... [23:48:43] S-i-A: by using 755. which is possible if you use suphp. [23:48:44] impeachment* [23:48:59] S-i-A: if you use modphp on a shared host, you are screwed. [23:49:08] well, there are ways, but... [23:49:42] Duesentrieb: how can i know, if the my host use modphp or suphp? [23:50:01] I'm having a lot of fun with NetBSD, and am having trouble getting mediawiki loaded up via PKGSRC..... I suppose I could roll my own and just download the *.tar.gz but I wanted to understand why the pkgsrc isint working because I found a page that seems to ahve everything but hte tgz file.... hrm...... do you think I'm just making things too difficult? [23:50:32] S-i-A: ask. or look at what phpinfo tells you. actually, i think even Specia:lVersion will tell you. [23:50:42] Generally, we don't support distribution packages. [23:50:51] You should speak to your distribution maintainer. [23:51:06] I'll take taht as yes I am :) Good point I shoulda thought of that on my way in. [23:51:19] BehindSchedule: yes. it's a wqebapp. tehre's nothign to compile. untar and run. [23:51:30] im not very technical, so this will sound pretty stupid.....but Im wondering where can i instal Media Wiki. I need to install it on a server...if I have a hosting account, is that considered a server? [23:51:49] DiegoMalingo: the hosting account is on a server. [23:52:07] DiegoMalingo: if that comes with mysql and php5, it can run mediawiki. most do. [23:52:08] Thank you Duese..... I read that twice but you would think it should have stuck by now..... [23:52:41] Duesentrieb: Special:lVersion not found! [23:52:46] alright I'mma go do the pre-reqs the 'ol fashioned way cause my distribution guys havn't included MediaWiki yet. [23:52:54] S-i-A: try without typo. [23:53:01] ok [23:53:43] ah ok, sweet. Any idea what kind of specs I need with my hosting account...size, transfer speeds, etc.? or where I can find that? All the FAQs seem to be more about instalation/and running the program [23:53:49] Duesentrieb: PHP 5.2.6 (cgi) [23:54:58] S-i-A: so it doesn't use modphp. not sure if it would tell you if it's suphp or plain cgi. but who uses plain cgi? [23:55:07] just try 755 and upload an image. [23:55:13] if it works, you are in luck. [23:56:16] Duesentrieb: change the chmod yet and uploda worked fine :) 'drwxr-xr-x 4 chawg chawg 4096 Dec 2 21:58 images' [23:56:35] thanks for this info again [23:57:19] anyone know a (somewhat) standard command line method of transferring a file from http? [23:57:44] BehindSchedule: wget, curl [23:57:50] Thanks again [23:57:57] or use ncftp [23:58:08] wget is 'older school', curl is 'teh standard of nowadays' [23:58:58] Struck out on all three NetBSD 4.0.1 [23:59:39] is wget from inside FTP maybe? [23:59:49] nope