[00:00:30] <werdnum>	hi
[00:01:14] <j4zzcat>	I working on extending cite.php. I have this syntax: <references> <ref name="foo">blah blah</ref> </references> what would be the best way to parse the guts of <references> ? simplexml? regex?
[00:03:00] <brion>	+						extract( $GLOBALS, EXTR_REFS );
[00:03:02] <brion>	wtf?
[00:03:54] <werdnum>	Is that in Configure?
[00:04:04] <AaronSchulz>	yeah
[00:04:29] <werdnum>	I thought I killed that stuff.
[00:04:34] <werdnum>	(ialex's code)
[00:04:40] <brion>	:D
[00:04:49] <brion>	extract is icky
[00:05:00] <brion>	what do we need it fo rthere?
[00:05:00] <werdnum>	where is it?
[00:05:41] <brion>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/44195
[00:06:08] <CIA-8>	03werdna * r44206 10/trunk/extensions/LinkOpenID/ (. LinkOpenID.i18n.php LinkOpenID.php): Add LinkOpenID extension, by Michael Holzt, because he asked nicely.
[00:06:34] <Mazi>	hey all! Is it allowed to use wikipedias "On this day..." feature on your own homepage?
[00:06:53] <yksinaisyyteni>	no, it's patented
[00:07:01] *Charitwo 	bops river
[00:07:10] <Duesentrieb>	days, too. you can't use days either.
[00:07:43] <Mazi>	yksinaisyyteni: really? where can I read more about this?
[00:08:01] *Reedy 	wonders when the new charging scheme is coming in
[00:08:19] <brion>	AaronSchulz: new field on reader_feedback needs to be added?
[00:08:19] <werdnum>	AaronSchulz: I think the reason it's needed is because we're using a require() on the extension file.
[00:08:47] <werdnum>	AaronSchulz: and therefore all of the $wgHooks and so on will be set in local, not global scope.
[00:08:55] <werdnum>	AaronSchulz: and therefore, to counter that, we need to extract them in.
[00:09:14] <brion>	blurf
[00:09:54] <brion>	that's gross
[00:09:54] <werdnum>	I know.
[00:10:31] <werdnum>	other problem is that any settings defined by the extension (like $wgCentralAuthAutoNew et al) won't leave local scope.
[00:11:09] <werdnum>	wow, this no-brand soda water has quotes on the side of it.
[00:11:11] <AaronSchulz>	another issue is that including them sort of enables every random extension for the ext page view
[00:11:15] <brion>	hmmmm yeah that ain't good
[00:11:21] <AaronSchulz>	so I see a googleadsense thingy
[00:11:23] <werdnum>	"Makes me feel refreshed and relaxed, ready for the weekend." -- Bill, loves to entertain.
[00:11:25] <brion>	i think you might just have to have it run those in global scope somehow
[00:11:44] <werdnum>	suggestions welcome :D
[00:12:32] <AaronSchulz>	scan the include file, not by including it, but "greping" them to scrap globals
[00:12:47] <AaronSchulz>	not great, but not as bad as loading everything
[00:12:52] *AaronSchulz 	sighs
[00:13:26] <werdnum>	ew ew ew ew ew ew ew ew ew ew ew ew ew ew ew ew ew ew
[00:13:47] <werdnum>	we may as well do $c = file_get_contents( $ext->getFile() );
[00:14:22] <werdnum>	$c = preg-replace( '/\$(wg\w+)/i', '$GLOBALS[$1]', $c );
[00:14:25] <werdnum>	eval( $c );
[00:14:33] <driva2009>	morning all. I wonder if i could seek help for a second? Does anyone here know about changing interface languages where there are mistakes please?
[00:14:41] <werdnum>	but then extension functions suck too :)
[00:15:43] <driva2009>	On the dutch wikipedia, there are words when you switch to the english and british english interfaces (in the sidebar) which are still in dutch. How do these get changed please?
[00:16:02] <Reedy>	thats more #wikimedia-tech
[00:16:11] <werdnum>	it doesn't matter.
[00:16:36] <werdnum>	driva2009: Could you link me to a page exhibiting this behaviour?
[00:17:27] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Add Revision Diff functionality to API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13209  +comment (10matthew.britton)
[00:17:54] <driva2009>	sure. Go to http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoofdpagina - switch to the english & british english language interface, and look in the left sidebar.
[00:18:32] <driva2009>	you will see 2 words, Etalage and Artikelindex - Etalage is Featured articles, and Artikelindex should be pretty self explanatory.
[00:18:39] <driva2009>	:)
[00:19:55] *driva2009 	om nom noms on an Oatmeal and Raisin cookie 
[00:21:53] <driva2009>	I hate to say this, but on the dutch interface on en.wikipedia, there is the same problem. There are words still in English :(
[00:22:17] <yksinaisyyteni>	probably a local user changed the sidebar and only provided one language
[00:22:35] <j4zzcat>	hooking into the parser, will it accept <tag attrib=value> as opposed to the well-formatted syntax of <tag attrib="value"> 
[00:22:41] <brion>	driva2009: which words? are they local-specific stuff?
[00:22:50] <driva2009>	no
[00:23:08] <brion>	features articles and article index certainly aren't part of the mediawiki standard ui
[00:23:12] <brion>	so they must be local things
[00:23:22] <driva2009>	On the NL interface on English, Featured Content and Contact Wikipedia have not been translated.
[00:23:23] <brion>	in the sidebar? they could be localized locally if someone wants to
[00:23:28] <driva2009>	how?
[00:23:38] <brion>	editing the MediaWiki: pages for them
[00:23:52] <werdnum>	brion: Would you hate me if I created an Configure/extensionsetup.php, which we require() after efConfigureSetup(), or something?
[00:23:58] <driva2009>	Can I do this? Or do I need special permissions?
[00:24:26] <werdnum>	you need to be a local adnomnom
[00:24:33] <driva2009>	bother
[00:24:42] *driva2009 	only admins on Tok Pisin :(
[00:26:47] <brion>	:D
[00:27:07] <brion>	werdnum: if you can find a way to trigger it :D
[00:27:24] <werdnum>	you'd have to put it in the config file.
[00:27:28] <werdnum>	I can't think of any other way to do it.
[00:27:41] <driva2009>	I have an account on Betawiki, but I don't know properly how to use it yet.
[00:27:56] <driva2009>	Otherwise I would localise and submit from there
[00:28:26] <driva2009>	brb - coffee :)
[00:30:30] <AaronSchulz>	brion: so I was thinking about OR in mw search
[00:30:40] <brion>	ooh
[00:30:47] <AaronSchulz>	mysql does it by just having no key characters in front of the query phrases
[00:30:57] <AaronSchulz>	like MATCH( 'cat meow' )
[00:31:06] <AaronSchulz>	currently, MW just adds + if there is nothing there
[00:31:15] <Pinky>	brion: Aaron told me I should ask you, what exactly is wrong with this: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/44048#code-comments ?
[00:31:27] <AaronSchulz>	which makes 'meow cat' become '+meow +cat', which is AND notation
[00:31:56] <AaronSchulz>	brion: I was wondering if there is a nice char to use (obviously no char at all would be confusing) to represent OR as far as the user goes
[00:32:31] <AaronSchulz>	basically it would just get removed but signal MW not to add the + before the term
[00:34:35] <werdnum>	- is already taken
[00:34:39] <werdnum>	+ is already taken
[00:34:40] <werdnum>	maybe ~
[00:35:15] <AaronSchulz>	taken
[00:35:17] <AaronSchulz>	http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/fulltext-boolean.html
[00:35:33] <AaronSchulz>	><* taken too
[00:35:35] <Reedy>	|
[00:36:38] <werdnum>	| would make semantic sense to a programmer
[00:36:43] <Reedy>	yaa
[00:36:43] <werdnum>	not nececelery to a user, though.
[00:36:53] <yksinaisyyteni>	?
[00:36:58] <AaronSchulz>	looks odd, but is rarely used (a good thing)
[00:37:11] <AaronSchulz>	yksinaisyyteni: was that about the spelling or the comment?
[00:37:15] <brion>	AaronSchulz: yeah we might just want to use OR :)
[00:37:16] <Reedy>	why i suggested... but if it becomes implemnted, they can be informed
[00:37:18] <yksinaisyyteni>	use ? as the character
[00:37:23] <AaronSchulz>	lol
[00:37:27] <brion>	so "cat meow" -> "+cat +meow"
[00:37:27] <AaronSchulz>	or that :)
[00:37:32] <brion>	"cat OR meow" -> "cat meow"
[00:37:50] <brion>	i think this is what works right now w/ our lucene backend actually
[00:38:13] <brion>	but lucene's a little funky, and has its own backend parser that's not quite the same as mysql's boolean search parser :)
[00:38:17] <werdnum>	Perhaps we could change 'cat OR meow' to +(cat meow)
[00:38:27] <werdnum>	then you could do stuff like foo AND cat OR meow
[00:38:27] <brion>	yeah, that sounds about right
[00:38:28] <werdnum>	and stuff.
[00:39:09] <brion>	Pinky: sec
[00:39:31] <AaronSchulz>	yksinaisyyteni: hmm, ? actually seems nice though
[00:40:18] <Pinky>	brion: kk
[00:40:25] <driva2009>	<back
[00:41:39] <brion>	Pinky: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/44048#c817
[00:42:51] <CIA-8>	03yaron * r44207 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticDrilldown/specials/SD_CreateFilter.php: Added handling for new 'Has input type' property
[00:43:41] <Mazi>	Can someone help my with this question: Is it allowed to use wikipedias "On this day..." feature on your own homepage?
[00:43:52] <brion>	Mazi: if you can get it sure :)
[00:44:05] <brion>	there's prolly an rss feed somewheres
[00:44:17] <werdnum>	an RSS feed written in template, no doubt,.
[00:44:21] <Mazi>	do you have a link?
[00:44:27] <werdnum>	The sad thing is, that could actually be done :P
[00:44:29] <brion>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Syndication#Externally_hosted_RSS_Feeds_of_Wikipedia_pages
[00:44:36] <Mazi>	has anyone ever integrated this into typo3?
[00:45:06] <werdnum>	http://helgo.net/simon/wikipedia/sa.xml
[00:45:18] <Mazi>	do you think this can be integrated easily into a typo3 environment?
[00:45:24] <werdnum>	it's just RSS
[00:45:37] <werdnum>	I don't know anything about typo3, but any CMS worth its salt supports rsS syndication
[00:45:48] <brion>	hmm
[00:45:55] <werdnum>	RSS*
[00:46:00] <brion>	"Change password" section title with "Change password" link seems a little silly
[00:46:06] <brion>	maybe make the section just say "Password"?
[00:46:14] <werdnum>	AaronSchulz: too many 'e's, not enough 'l's.
[00:46:23] <AaronSchulz>	heh
[00:48:01] <CIA-8>	03yaron * r44208 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticDrilldown/includes/SD_Filter.php: Added handling for new 'input type' feature; removed handling for SMW 0.7
[00:48:08] <Mazi>	thanks for your help
[00:48:50] <CIA-8>	03yaron * r44209 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticDrilldown/README: Added section about Ext Javascript library
[00:51:08] <Pinky>	brion: hmm, the function UsersPager:getGroups() returns the array of groups the user is in, not all available groups, it's basically a copy of the User::loadGroups function
[00:51:39] <Pinky>	there's a hook to change what User::getEffectiveGroups returns, but SpecialListusers.php uses it's own getGroups function and not getEffectiveGroups
[00:52:45] <Pinky>	so that hook can be used to add to the groups that get displayed by the user's name
[00:53:45] <Pinky>	(the hook in r44048)
[00:54:38] <brion>	Pinky: is there some reason the function exists then? sounds like it should just call User::getEffectiveGroups
[00:55:07] <CIA-8>	03yaron * r44210 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticDrilldown/includes/SD_GlobalFunctions.php: 
[00:55:08] <CIA-8>	Added new SD_SP_HAS_INPUT_TYPE property, added support for SMW 1.4, removed all
[00:55:08] <CIA-8>	support for SMW 0.7
[00:57:12] *^demon 	pokes Brion about bug 16451 again :)
[00:57:12] <Pinky>	brion: nfi :P
[00:57:23] <Pinky>	svn blame says it was added by robchurch
[00:57:53] <Pinky>	but I can't see any reason to use it and not just getEffectiveGroups
[01:00:55] <AaronSchulz>	brion: yeah, schema change :)
[01:01:07] <AaronSchulz>	[19:06]	<brion>	AaronSchulz: new field on reader_feedback needs to be added?
[01:04:04] <brion>	whee
[01:05:20] <Pinky>	brion: hmm
[01:05:29] <Pinky>	actually getEffectiveGroups isn't good :P
[01:05:36] <Pinky>	that adds stuff like *, user, etc.
[01:06:10] <werdnum>	array_diff( getEffectiveGroups, getImplicitGroups )
[01:08:25] *werdnum 	brb, taking to his keyboard with a screwdriver
[01:09:50] <Mike_lifeguard>	werdnum: unifybot please? :D
[01:10:31] <CIA-8>	03yaron * r44211 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticDrilldown/specials/SD_BrowseData.php: 
[01:10:31] <CIA-8>	Added handling for 'free text' and 'date range' input types, including the usage
[01:10:31] <CIA-8>	of the Ext Javascript library for a combobox for the former;
[01:17:16] <Pinky>	werdnum: yeah that works well enough :D
[01:18:40] <driva2009>	Are you busy Brion? Got a techie problem which is a bit of a mystery.  I'm logged in to wikipedia english, and I'm currently in NL. When I try to edit a page, I'm getting a clear message in dutch telling me I'm not logged in, and I have not logged out. 
[01:19:08] <brion>	funky
[01:19:14] <brion>	is it saying your username in the corner?
[01:19:15] <driva2009>	damn straight :)
[01:19:17] <driva2009>	No
[01:19:19] <brion>	ok
[01:19:35] <brion>	probably the global cookie expired but your local session is still active
[01:19:41] <brion>	weird stuff like that happens sometimes
[01:19:45] <driva2009>	When I go to the page I want to edit, it says I'm logged in. Only when I go to edit the page does it say I'm logged out
[01:19:55] <brion>	mm that might be cached
[01:19:58] <Pinky>	the only thing about using getEffectiveGroups, etc. and maybe this is why rob originally created a new function for it, is at that point in the code you only have the user's id, so you have to make a User::newFromId call
[01:20:14] <driva2009>	brion: not cached, haven't been to that page before
[01:20:23] <Pinky>	idk if that takes a significant amount of time or not?
[01:20:29] <driva2009>	I put it in from the address bar
[01:21:46] <driva2009>	This is the message I get when I try to edit:
[01:21:48] <driva2009>	U bent niet aangemeld. Uw IP-adres wordt hierdoor bij elke bewerking opgeslagen en openbaar gemaakt in de bewerkingsgeschiedenis van deze pagina.
[01:22:17] <brion>	driva2009: try Special:Version
[01:22:24] <driva2009>	ok
[01:23:12] <driva2009>	It also says I am not logged in
[01:25:17] <brion>	ok probably just cached and expired at a funny time, but...maybe extra funky ;)
[01:25:24] <brion>	log out and log in and it'll probably clear righ tup...
[01:25:32] <driva2009>	I'm gonna go look at the global cookie I have stored and see if its ok
[01:26:41] <driva2009>	Now thats a pain in the nipples.
[01:26:51] <driva2009>	I have a Global cookie stored:
[01:27:10] <driva2009>	centralauth_LoggedOut
[01:27:21] <driva2009>	Wed 24 Dec 2008 19:40:09 GMT
[01:27:56] <driva2009>	yet I swear on all 9 of my lives I didn't log out...
[01:28:06] <brion>	o_O
[01:28:24] <Pinky>	brion: http://p.defau.lt/?LO_Exi6mbty3ApQqz4a9lQ does that look like an ok patch then?
[01:28:26] <brion>	i assume that's a 30-day logout, so .... november 25?
[01:28:31] <brion>	er 30-day expiration
[01:28:48] <driva2009>	The expiration is 24 Dec 08, Brion
[01:29:06] <driva2009>	The cookie content is: 20081124194009
[01:29:08] <brion>	Pinky: offhand that's prolly ok, assuming nothing's funky :D
[01:29:15] <Pinky>	heh
[01:29:17] <Pinky>	k
[01:29:30] <brion>	ok, so logout on 2008-11-24
[01:29:31] <driva2009>	So that would be 19:40:09, 24th Nov. 08
[01:29:33] <brion>	might you have done that? :D
[01:29:39] <driva2009>	Which has to be wrong
[01:29:56] <driva2009>	How could I have logged out on the 24th of November. I've been logged in up to today :)
[01:30:19] <driva2009>	I've not logged out for over a month!
[01:32:38] <driva2009>	This is good. I also have a cookie called centralauth_User / Content is Iceflow, expires 3rd January 2009 
[01:33:01] <brion>	mysteeeeerious
[01:33:05] <brion>	ok guys i gotta run
[01:33:08] <brion>	catch ya later
[01:33:12] <driva2009>	bbfn
[01:33:38] <driva2009>	Best thing I think I will do what Brion said, and try to do a full log in again
[01:35:53] <driva2009>	Hm. It works - I'll leave it for now and see what happens :)
[01:35:56] <driva2009>	Night all 
[01:37:59] <Pinky>	hoboy
[01:38:37] <CIA-8>	03yaron * r44212 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticDrilldown/specials/SD_BrowseData.php: Added setting of global variables
[01:39:14] <CIA-8>	03pinky * r44213 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
[01:39:14] <CIA-8>	Update on r44048:
[01:39:14] <CIA-8>	Removing SpecialListusersGetGroups hook completely, and changing the
[01:39:14] <CIA-8>	UsersPager::getGroups function to use User::getEffectiveGroups instead
[01:39:15] <CIA-8>	of directly making a DB query itself.
[01:39:17] <CIA-8>	03yaron * r44214 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticDrilldown/includes/SD_GlobalFunctions.php: Type checking for SMW 1.3 and earlier
[01:40:55] <CIA-8>	03yaron * r44215 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticDrilldown/INSTALL: New version: 0.5
[01:43:26] <RingtailedFox>	driva2009: i'm having some formatting issues
[01:50:16] <werdnum>	gah, I managed to lose *one* key.
[01:51:37] <werdnum>	Nope, found it.
[01:58:58] <CIA-8>	03demon * r44216 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/FileRepo.php: Followup to r44204. Hardcoding image because it should (in theory) work always and forever. If you have a wiki acting as repo and you've overridden the canonical name Image: it's your own fault.
[02:02:30] <Alexfusco5>	^demon: the default is now file :p
[02:06:46] <Alexfusco5>	^demon: also there's an error on Line 265 of FileRepo.php
[02:06:50] <^demon>	Alexfusco5: But that breaks b/c. With Image:, that means a wiki older than the change to File can act as a repo (ie: commos right now)
[02:07:04] <Alexfusco5>	Parse error: syntax error, unexpected ';' in /home/yourwiki/htdocs/html/w/includes/filerepo/FileRepo.php on line 265
[02:07:05] <^demon>	Image: will always work, File: only works recently.
[02:07:21] <Alexfusco5>	^demon: how do I change file back to image again?
[02:08:29] <Alexfusco5>	anyone thats paying attention, mw is broken
[02:09:50] <^demon>	Fixed.
[02:10:03] <CIA-8>	03demon * r44217 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/FileRepo.php: Cleanup, syntax errors and such.
[02:10:46] <Alexfusco5>	okay, ^demon how do I rename File back to image?
[02:11:32] <RingtailedFox>	werdnum: now that tidy works, what do i do?
[02:11:41] <^demon>	You have to change NS_IMAGE's value in $wgExtraNamespaces. That gets merged into the canonical list.
[02:12:01] <werdnum>	RingtailedFox: is it activated and everything?
[02:12:10] <RingtailedFox>	yeah, pretty sure
[02:12:15] <RingtailedFox>	how do i check if it's activated?
[02:12:23] <werdnum>	maybe Special:Version
[02:12:52] <^demon>	Special:Version doesn't mention tidy.
[02:12:59] <RingtailedFox>	yeah, not mentioned there
[02:13:06] <^demon>	I wish it would list more enviroment things like that.
[02:13:28] <RingtailedFox>	i don't understand how wikipedia can use mixed wiki/html markup, but i can't
[02:14:20] <Splarka>	TimStarling: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13223 is a dupe of https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9342 ? (which may or may not be a dupe of https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1115 ?)
[02:14:28] *Splarka 	leaves that in the scrollback, since he noticed Tim wasn't here when mentioned yesterday
[02:14:59] <RingtailedFox>	the mailing list was inconclusive in its assistance...
[02:15:11] <werdnum>	Splarka: haven't you used bugzilla before...? :/
[02:15:46] <Splarka>	werdnum: I don't dupe close bugs by da boss
[02:15:55] <RingtailedFox>	http://wiki.mobianlegends.com/wiki/Sandbox
[02:16:04] <Splarka>	you do it *hides behind a table*
[02:17:12] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Allow blank lines between list items - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13223  +comment (10Andrew)
[02:17:13] *werdnum 	rolleyes.
[02:17:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow one blank line in list environments - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9342  +comment (10Andrew)
[02:17:39] <werdnum>	not a dupe of 1115.
[02:17:57] <Splarka>	hmm, right, but possibly it is blocked by 9342?
[02:18:11] <werdnum>	I don't think so.
[02:18:19] <Splarka>	k
[02:18:21] <werdnum>	related, but I don't think there are any dependencies either way.
[02:18:44] <Splarka>	someone should go through and find the most duplicated bugs... and change the summaries to include every possible keyword
[02:19:29] <Splarka>	allow newline blank line extra linefeed between inside next to items lists ordered unordered li to allow block level elements multiline
[02:59:41] <RingtailedFox>	splarka: since i have html tidy working, why does it not work on my wiki site?
[03:00:14] <Splarka>	<table><tr><td>foo</td>{{#if:1|<td>foo</td>}}</tr></table>
[03:00:17] <Splarka>	what does that do?
[03:01:23] <RingtailedFox>	just says "foo foo"
[03:01:51] <Splarka>	disable tidy explicitly, and then try it again?
[03:02:02] <RingtailedFox>	commenting it out
[03:02:35] <RingtailedFox>	wikipedia can mix wiki markup and HTML but i can't and that's frustrating me
[03:03:01] <RingtailedFox>	re-enabling
[03:03:12] <Splarka>	what was the result with $wgUseTidy = false;
[03:03:41] <RingtailedFox>	no difference
[03:04:09] <RingtailedFox>	$wgUseTidy=true;
[03:04:09] <RingtailedFox>	$wgTidyBin = '/root/opt/tidy/bin/tidy';
[03:04:47] <Splarka>	"no difference" did you just view an already-existing page with that content? or action=edit and [save] ?
[03:05:20] <Splarka>	$wgUseTidy = false; and save a page with <table><tr><td>foo</td>{{#if:1|<td>foo</td>}}</tr></table>   still 'foo foo' ?
[03:05:45] <RingtailedFox>	hit save
[03:06:13] <RingtailedFox>	now re-enabling HTML TIdy
[03:07:12] <Splarka>	arr, stop that, keep it disabled, answer the questions
[03:07:28] <RingtailedFox>	i did
[03:07:31] <RingtailedFox>	i did exactly as you said
[03:07:37] <RingtailedFox>	there was NO difference
[03:07:51] <Splarka>	well, that is when we try the NEXT one
[03:08:20] <Splarka>	is tidy disabled?
[03:09:42] <RingtailedFox>	yes
[03:10:12] <Splarka>	try saving a page with this, and leave tidy off after...
[03:10:14] <Splarka>	<table><tr><td><table><tr><td>a</td></table></td></tr></table> <table><tr><td><table><tr><td>b</td></tr></td></tr></table> <table><tr><td><table><tr><td>c</tr></table></td></tr></table> <div><center>d</div>
[03:10:34] <Splarka>	if you really have tidy disabled, that should totally break your page UI
[03:11:41] <Not_registered>	How do I insert blank spaces in lines?
[03:11:59] <Splarka>	vertical or horizontal?
[03:12:50] <Not_registered>	xxxxxxxxxx: bla. Then in the second line yyyy: bla. But since yyyy is shorter than xxxxxxx, lines won't align in two symetric collums
[03:13:24] <Splarka>	you might want <pre> (core) or <poem> (extension)
[03:13:31] <Splarka>	or just tables
[03:13:57] <Not_registered>	k
[03:14:34] <Splarka>	http://p.defau.lt/?M2WE__04FCqzfT_j9TJkTA
[03:14:35] <Splarka>	bah
[03:14:36] <Splarka>	quitter
[03:15:13] <Splarka>	wtf
[03:15:17] <Splarka>	quit
[03:15:29] <Splarka>	unilinky: stop spamming me for starting a line with 'quit', heh
[03:15:45] <Splarka>	quite likely that someone will start a sentence with quit, it isn't impossible anyway
[03:44:19] <not_registered>	found that wikidot uses CSS to format pages. Ran in trouble, I started a list of bulletpoints, but in the second line I used a table
[03:44:47] <not_registered>	and the table doesn't have the same left spacing as the bullet points
[03:46:36] <not_registered>	Started wtih space * space Bla Then the same bullet point should break to a second line, continuing with a table
[03:47:11] <|X|>	Wikidot isn't mediawiki
[03:48:06] <not_registered>	Is there a better place to host my wiki? 
[03:59:27] <not_registered>	whatever
[04:01:02] <Splarka>	wow, how rude of us to not help with non-mediawiki wiki issues
[04:01:13] <werdnum>	yeah, bad Splarka 
[04:02:59] <RingtailedFox>	well, spalarka that thing did break my page UI
[04:03:06] <RingtailedFox>	re-enabling tidy didn't fix it either
[04:04:15] <Splarka>	odd, then it seems tidy does nothing
[04:04:26] <Splarka>	as that horrible mix of table tags works fine on wp
[04:04:39] <Splarka>	dunno!
[04:04:56] <Splarka>	unless you have a lag between enabling/disabling tidy and it actually doing anything
[04:05:18] <Splarka>	or if your host intermittently applies tidy at the frontend or something
[04:28:25] <werdnum>	hi Krimpet
[04:28:31] <werdnum>	< Krimpet> 'evening. :)
[04:41:22] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) The post-installation screen has too many links to MediaWiki.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16555 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Installation; (Emufarmers)
[05:26:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable Abuse Filter on English Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15684  +comment (10achyland)
[06:20:19] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) regression: no column header for category display - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16556 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (info)
[06:44:37] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) date handling regressions in SMW 1.4 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16557 major; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (info)
[07:59:44] <_wooz>	lo
[08:13:05] <werdnum>	hey tomaszf 
[08:14:24] <tomaszf>	werdnum: heya
[08:14:47] <werdnum>	:O you came back.
[08:14:52] <werdnum>	how's stuff in the office?
[09:24:15] <scuffio>	hy guys
[09:24:24] <scuffio>	there is someone here ? 
[09:24:29] <scuffio>	em
[09:24:33] <scuffio>	is there...
[09:25:00] <scuffio>	I need some support from a developer 
[09:25:06] <scuffio>	or something similar
[09:25:12] <scuffio>	:)
[09:25:47] <scuffio>	no one can help me ?
[09:27:22] <scuffio>	I'm trying to run sca fortify on mediawiki 1.13.2
[09:28:10] <p858snake>	!ask | scuffio
[09:28:10] --mwbot--	scuffio: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[09:28:31] <scuffio>	ok
[09:29:13] <Splarka>	!tell | p858snake
[09:29:13] --mwbot--	p858snake: Tell it like it is, man!
[09:29:14] <unilinky>	This factoid does not exist.
[09:29:41] <scuffio>	There is an "open redirect" problem on wikibits.js line 100
[09:30:36] <scuffio>	where wgBreakFrames come from ? 
[09:31:39] <Splarka>	wgBreakFrames is defined as a global JS variable in the skin of every page generated by mediawiki (every page that loads wikibits.js anyway)
[09:32:02] <scuffio>	perfect!
[09:32:25] <Splarka>	go to any aricle on wikipedia for example, and view the source
[09:32:30] <Splarka>	^article
[09:33:06] <scuffio>	on sca fortify i've this message: The file wikibits.js passes unvalidated data to an HTTP redirect function on line 103. Allowing unvalidated input to control the URL used in a redirect can aid phishing attacks.
[09:33:24] <scuffio>	it can be a securty problem  ?
[09:34:03] <padde>	Manual:Preventing_access emphasizes that mediawiki hasn't been designed to restrict access etc. - but does that mean there is a chance somebody could get access to content when $wgWhitelistRead = array( "Main Page", "Special:Userlogin" ); and $wgGroupPermissions['*']['read'] = false; are being used?
[09:34:34] <TimStarling>	it's a bit silly really
[09:34:46] <TimStarling>	MediaWiki has had access restrictions since like 1.3
[09:34:54] <TimStarling>	we've probably had time to test them by now
[09:35:37] <TimStarling>	the main problem is XSS
[09:35:51] <TimStarling>	just like any web app
[09:36:07] <padde>	hmm
[09:36:29] <scuffio>	yes,  i've 39 xss issues
[09:36:38] <padde>	but when nobody has write rights to anywhere, there shouldn't be any XSS problems, I think
[09:37:05] <TimStarling>	no, there are XSS vulnerabilities that don't require editing
[09:37:23] <TimStarling>	a registered user just has to click a malicious link and it's all over
[09:37:59] <scuffio>	it's call stroed xss
[09:38:04] <scuffio>	stored xss
[09:39:21] <scuffio>	padde is an answer for my question 
[09:39:24] <scuffio>	?
[09:39:32] <padde>	my concern mainly focusses on sensitive data that's in that wiki... it shouldn't be possible for anyone to access anything within that wiki except the Main page and the Login page obviously. all the rest is for registered users only...
[09:40:05] <TimStarling>	say if you're a registered user
[09:40:12] <padde>	scuffio: umm no, nothing to do with your question
[09:40:21] <TimStarling>	and I send you an email that says "click here and check out the dancing monkeys"
[09:40:28] *Splarka 	points out breaking frames is probably a security bonus, in the rare case of a browser configured to send XSS between frames, eg "capability.policy.default.XMLHttpRequest.open", "allAccess"
[09:40:43] <TimStarling>	you click on it, you see dancing monkeys, I get your session and steal all your wiki pages
[09:41:16] <padde>	TimStarling: ok, I get it
[09:41:36] <Splarka>	can banned users without edit permissions submit the POST to clear a page cache?
[09:41:44] <TimStarling>	restricting by IP would provide some protection
[09:41:56] <TimStarling>	against casual attacks
[09:41:57] <Splarka>	^or
[09:42:13] <CIA-8>	03siebrand * r44218 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (28 files): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-12-04 10:28 CET)
[09:42:16] <TimStarling>	but to prevent concerted attacks, the intranet terminals would have to have no access to the internet
[09:42:28] <scuffio>	Splarka: ok, so it can be sospicius and no exploiable ?
[09:43:10] <Splarka>	I think a frame-breaking bit of JS isn't exploitable
[09:43:46] *Splarka 	tries to imagine an exploit helped by removal of parent frames
[09:43:57] <scuffio>	but as you tell before, in the rare case...
[09:44:15] <padde>	TimStarling: IE is forbidden and NoScript extension is enabled on nearly all workstations... that should give some more security in this aspect
[09:44:17] <Splarka>	hmm, if you generated an iframe inside a mediawiki page that was called by an iframe, top it... no.. you'd still need to execute JS in the mediawiki... hmm
[09:44:23] <Splarka>	I just can't think of any
[09:44:38] <TimStarling>	padde: yes
[09:44:50] <TimStarling>	unless NoScript is configured to allow javascript on the intranet wiki
[09:45:02] <TimStarling>	which users might be tempted to do
[09:45:18] <TimStarling>	on the belief that the intranet is trusted
[09:46:00] <scuffio>	mmm
[09:46:26] <padde>	hm... it seems i still don't completely understand XSS.. I thought that NoScript would help in this case, when configured to not allow JavaScript on the attacker's website (the one with the dancing monkeys)
[09:47:15] <TimStarling>	no, the attacker's website just has an invisible iframe that loads the intranet wiki
[09:47:17] <TimStarling>	no JS
[09:47:31] <CIA-8>	03siebrand * r44219 10/trunk/extensions/ (144 files in 114 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-12-04 10:28 CET)
[09:47:40] <TimStarling>	the iframe would trigger the XSS attack in the wiki, injecting JS into its output
[09:47:57] <TimStarling>	and that JS would have access to the wiki's session
[09:48:16] <Splarka>	heh, that recent "There is a new XSS vulnerability, in every browser, it does not require JS, and there is no way to stop it"  *click story*, ahh, flash *has no flash, laughs*
[09:48:45] <padde>	TimStarling: ooh, ok. well then it doesn't help at all, because the users need Javascript to be enabled in the wiki :(
[09:50:22] <TimStarling>	if I were you, I'd use MediaWiki, but make sure to keep up to date with security releases
[09:50:28] <TimStarling>	it's as good as any web app
[09:51:26] <padde>	TimStarling: sure, that's high priority here... subscribed to all the release announcement lists/feeds, upgrade usually on the release day...
[09:51:41] <TimStarling>	whitelist read will protect you against casual attackers
[09:51:49] <Splarka>	it has lots of paranoid oversight, but that is also a bit of a logical failing of open sourcyness (sometimes people assume it is too secure)
[09:52:02] <Splarka>	"oh, a hundred people saw this code, it must be good"
[09:52:58] <padde>	Splarka: i thought about just that today... in open source everybody trusts that anybody else actually DID some checking... but sometimes perhaps only the bad guys (tm) did that....
[09:53:18] <JimStar>	hi all
[09:53:18] <TimStarling>	I don't think anyone in the IT industry protects against concerted attacks
[09:53:46] <Splarka>	it was nice of Grawp to vandalize a test wiki with a huuuuuuuuge bug using in_array in user rights letting him get any userright at all, rather than wait for the change to go live
[09:53:50] <JimStar>	background: url(ne.gif) no-repeat top right; 
[09:54:06] <padde>	only by taking the whole system offline, like they do with nuclear plants in states with reasonable governments ;)
[09:54:22] <TimStarling>	right, military and government do, in some cases
[09:54:30] <padde>	(offline as in having a separate network)
[09:54:47] <JimStar>	I am trying to make use of an image in CSS
[09:54:48] <JimStar>	like
[09:54:50] <JimStar>	background: url(ne.gif) no-repeat top right;
[09:55:00] <JimStar>	i have uploaded the image
[09:55:06] <JimStar>	but its not appearing
[09:55:14] <TimStarling>	but if a security specialist was given a salary for 6 months plus $20,000 for expenses to hack your system, do you think they'd have any trouble?
[09:55:38] <Splarka>	JimStar: use the full URL
[09:55:50] <Splarka>	it is unlikely your upload folder is the same as your stylepath
[09:56:18] <Splarka>	(unless you FTP'd it (or such) to the stylepath to the same folder as the CSS file in question)
[09:56:21] <TimStarling>	they could pose as the A/C repairman and install a covert camera to capture passwords
[09:56:32] <padde>	TimStarling: probably not. and in any case there would be easier ways to get to the data than through the net from outside... for example by walking into the office, wearing a uniform and carrying a clipboard ;)
[09:57:00] <padde>	because people in uniforms carrying a clipboard are allowed to do about anything, nearly anywhere ;)
[09:57:20] <TimStarling>	or find a gullible employee, call them on the phone, pose as IT support, and ask for their password
[09:57:25] <Splarka>	padde: that's like walking around a school with a cup of coffee
[09:58:10] <padde>	Splarka: heh, good one ;) but not those paper cups, must be a real cup, should look a bit old already ;)
[09:58:27] <padde>	Splarka: and don't forget the slippers
[09:58:31] <Splarka>	with a slogan is good, like an einstein or wilde quote
[09:58:33] <JimStar>	Thanks Splarka
[09:59:27] <padde>	TimStarling: that wouldn't help here... company too small, and all the users who have access to the important systems know all IT guys (there are only three ;) )
[10:00:30] <p858snake>	kidnap and tourture someone for their password >.>
[10:00:47] <p858snake>	not that i've done that or anything <.<
[10:02:50] <Splarka>	[[Category:Wikipedia administrators in GITMO]]
[10:03:00] <padde>	there are endless possibilities with social engineering ;)
[10:03:54] <TimStarling>	or if you're not the social sort, you've probably got an office door lock that can be picked in a few minutes
[10:04:03] <TimStarling>	what's your alarm response time?
[10:04:37] <padde>	TimStarling: heh, there is no alarm ;)
[10:04:50] <TimStarling>	easy then, they've got until morning to bug the place
[10:07:10] <TimStarling>	I worked in a place with a back to base alarm, PIR
[10:07:18] <padde>	i should open a company that offers those security checks.. it would be so much fun ;)
[10:07:24] <TimStarling>	you could defeat it by just unplugging it from the phone line within 30 seconds
[10:07:56] <padde>	heh, just like in the movies. rip it out of the wall - done ;)
[10:08:04] <p858snake>	TimStarling: but did the phone cable come out of the box or was there a socket inside the box for the systems brain?
[10:08:23] <Splarka>	are you proponenting (or whatever the verb is for 'being a proponent of') then, an ideology of Security through Abstrusivity?
[10:08:31] <TimStarling>	the phone cable came out of the alarm box and plugged into a wall socket
[10:08:36] <werdnum>	09:53 < Splarka> it was nice of Grawp to vandalize a test wiki with a huuuuuuuuge bug using in_array in user rights letting him get any userright at all, rather than wait for the change to go live
[10:08:41] <werdnum>	That bug had been there for years.
[10:08:44] <Splarka>	"be secure enough so that those that want it won't go through the trouble of getting it"
[10:09:18] <Splarka>	werd: right, but no one else had an associative array index of zero in their rights assignments?
[10:09:26] <Splarka>	(or whatever the php terms are)
[10:09:38] <TimStarling>	promoting?
[10:09:49] <Splarka>	not exactly...
[10:10:05] <Splarka>	more like, demoting everything else logically
[10:10:24] <Splarka>	sort of an applied Occam's shaving
[10:10:37] <Splarka>	ahh, 'advocate' is what I want
[10:11:03] <TimStarling>	  Proponent \Pro*po"nent\, a. [L. proponens, p. pr.]
[10:11:03] <TimStarling>	     Making proposals; proposing.
[10:11:13] <werdnum>	ugh, I've been writing the ugliest interface known to man.
[10:11:14] <Splarka>	right, but you aren't really proposing
[10:11:22] <werdnum>	I've been writing an interface for modifying $wgRateLimits.
[10:11:35] <werdnum>	It's... slightly ugly :)
[10:11:44] <domas>	hello
[10:11:49] <TimStarling>	yes, security is about deterrence
[10:12:00] <Splarka>	in that, it is a logical conclusion that security isn't perfect, you don't need to convince anyone
[10:12:23] <werdnum>	hi domas
[10:12:29] <Splarka>	mmm, security through semantics
[10:12:49] <werdnum>	HE SAID SEMANTIC!
[10:12:50] <werdnum>	GET HIM!
[10:12:54] <TimStarling>	that said, if the deterrence is good enough to make the cost of breaching it more than the benefit, then it's pretty much perfect
[10:12:56] <Splarka>	doh
[10:13:27] <Splarka>	ahh, but that assumes you fully calculate the potential benefit of all potential breachers!
[10:13:50] <Splarka>	one man's pile of old bill stubs is another man's new Camero
[10:14:17] <TimStarling>	like the security on board the MV Sirius Star at the moment
[10:14:28] <TimStarling>	the military can take that ship back any time they want
[10:14:37] <padde>	yeah, that's another problem... most people don't have any idea how much their data could be worth to some other people
[10:14:40] <TimStarling>	as long as they don't mind the cost of a dozen lives and a whole lot of oil in the sea
[10:15:01] <Splarka>	man them with ninja
[10:15:27] <TimStarling>	not security guards who jump out at the first sign of pirates?
[10:15:27] <Splarka>	or you mean, the hijackers' security?
[10:15:31] <TimStarling>	yes I did
[10:15:35] <Splarka>	ahh, k
[10:17:20] <werdnum>	that's what he was getting at - the cost of breaching the hijackers' security is so high that it's effective.
[10:17:29] <werdnum>	it's US$100m worth of crude oil.
[10:17:52] <werdnum>	It'd almost be worth paying the $15m ransom to get the ship back, except that it sets a precedent and doesn't guarantee getting everything back.
[10:18:07] <TimStarling>	it's a bit late for precedents
[10:18:26] <werdnum>	What do you mean?
[10:18:31] <TimStarling>	they've been doing this for years, and the owners have been consistently paying
[10:18:44] <TimStarling>	they're hijacking ships with equipment paid for with ransom money
[10:18:57] <werdnum>	Ah.
[10:19:13] <Splarka>	hey, it's a living
[10:19:25] <werdnum>	Well, that's another thing - it finances the hijackings themselves.
[10:19:34] <werdnum>	Just one ransom payment gets them quite a bit of money.
[10:19:58] <TimStarling>	the hijackings stopped for two years while the ICU was in power
[10:20:00] <werdnum>	I'm sure US$15m will cover their costs.
[10:20:10] *werdnum 	googles ICU
[10:20:16] <TimStarling>	but they were considered "islamist" so an international coalition removed them
[10:20:39] <TimStarling>	it's very much like the cold war, isn't it?
[10:20:43] <Splarka>	ahh, so it is all Israel's fault
[10:20:45] <werdnum>	It isn't IBM localisation, intensive care unit, etc.
[10:20:50] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Template with parameters can't be used in form fields - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16558 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic Forms; (for_amby)
[10:20:51] <werdnum>	islamic courts union.
[10:21:47] <werdnum>	10:20 < TimStarling> it's very much like the cold war, isn't it?
[10:21:55] <werdnum>	McCarthyism, or something else?
[10:22:45] <TimStarling>	during the cold war, the CIA financed or incited numerous invasions and coups in order to remove left-leaning governments
[10:23:06] <TimStarling>	and russia supported the same governments
[10:23:07] <werdnum>	Oh, like Bay of Pigs?
[10:23:21] <werdnum>	even though that didn't really work.
[10:23:24] <TimStarling>	yes
[10:23:31] <TimStarling>	there were plenty that worked just fine
[10:24:16] <TimStarling>	anyway, I mean that it's a proxy war of ideologies
[10:24:48] <TimStarling>	which is very much what the cold war was about
[10:24:50] <werdnum>	It's a bit different, because the US does ally itself with Sharia countries when it's convenient.
[10:24:57] <werdnum>	c.f. Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, et al.
[10:25:41] <TimStarling>	you know why those two countries are allies, right?
[10:26:05] <werdnum>	Saudi Arabia because it's got a quarter of the world's oil.
[10:26:21] <werdnum>	Pakistan because... it's adjacent to Afghanistan and has/had a receptive government?
[10:26:23] <TimStarling>	because they have (or in pakistan's case had) leaders who came to power by US-supported coups
[10:26:32] <Splarka>	so, what is the general mood in Aus about recent US political events? "Cool, maybe we'll see some progress with the environment, and less police actions being called wars" "Meh, whatever" "Bad! The US needs an asshole to make the rest of the world keep in line (and us look good)" "What events? We're beind the great E-Barrier Reef!"
[10:26:40] <werdnum>	really?
[10:26:42] <werdnum>	I didn't know that?
[10:28:23] <werdnum>	erm, minus the question mark.
[10:28:45] <werdnum>	Splarka: I think even in Australia there was considerable excitement about the result.
[10:29:06] <TimStarling>	well, I probably have to check my facts about coups
[10:29:30] <TimStarling>	but did both have a US-supported leadership
[10:29:50] <TimStarling>	to the dismay of anti-american elements within those countries
[10:29:58] <Splarka>	(or even Canadian politics, things are going nuts up there, Bloc Q formed a coalition with the leftists because the conservatives pissed them off so much)
[10:30:07] <werdnum>	I know I spent a day that should have been spent studying Chemistry mostly in front of the TV watching results.
[10:30:38] <werdnum>	Yeah, I've picked up a bit of that Canadian stuff because I have a close politically-inclined friend in Kingston.
[10:30:56] <werdnum>	The rhetoric is a bit breathtaking.
[10:31:08] <Splarka>	heh, mine's in Vancouver, so I also get updates on 2010 winter olympics, and The Rheostatics
[10:31:24] <werdnum>	Harper wants to portray Dion as somebody who is pissed off that he 'lost' the election, and is trying to steal power in something remniscient of a coup.
[10:31:36] <Splarka>	in the PM's speech yesterday, he slammed the lefties in French (for the Quebecois), and slammed the frogs in english
[10:31:53] <Splarka>	(or the day before, depending where you are)
[10:31:57] <werdnum>	Of course, this is a bit silly, because the entire point of a parliamentary system is that the executive serves at the behest of the lower house.
[10:32:11] <werdnum>	and, of course, he only got 36% of the popular vote.
[10:32:27] <Splarka>	right, our two party system misses out on fun things like that
[10:33:02] <werdnum>	Well, a non-preferential system inevitably disadvantages anything other than a two-party system.
[10:33:47] <Splarka>	although, an interesting comment this week about Obama's appointments... "he's gone past a 'Team of Rivals' and now has, basically, a Coalition Government".. he has members of every Presidental cabinent back to friggen Carter on board
[10:33:51] <werdnum>	um, disadvantages 'some candidates in' anything other than...
[10:35:02] <Splarka>	but hopefully it will be harder for the CIA to undermine existing governments, unless they really really want to
[10:35:23] <Splarka>	(current applicable methods seem to be: invade and execute them, or embargo them until they die of old age)
[10:36:47] <scuffio>	on index.php line 737 there's a variable $local that is execute dynamically. On fortify is valuted as "code injection". As before, is this a sucurity problem ? 
[10:37:46] <werdnum>	There isn't a line 737 of index.php
[10:38:18] <scuffio>	no ? 
[10:38:30] <scuffio>	which version are you talking about  ? 
[10:38:32] *Splarka 	WPs AU's PPs
[10:38:39] <werdnum>	scuffio: trunk.
[10:38:49] <werdnum>	but there have only ever been about 100 lines.
[10:39:50] <scuffio>	I'm analysing mediawiki ver 1.13.2
[10:40:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Fatal Error in Special:AllMessages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16497  +comment (10siebrand)
[10:40:11] <Splarka>	hmm, ALP 43.4%, LPA+NPA 42.1% [LPA 36.6%, NPA 5.5%], but even so, the greens take 8% so you have no majority either?
[10:40:46] <giudf>	In the source that I have index.php is composed by 2000 and more lines so also the version that I've got has that line
[10:40:52] <werdnum>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/tags/REL1_13_2/phase3/index.php?view=markup
[10:41:00] <werdnum>	that ain't 737 lines.
[10:42:04] <werdnum>	perhaps you're thinking of a different index.php
[10:42:11] <scuffio>	we are talking about two different files
[10:42:34] <scuffio>	the index file is in the config folder
[10:42:36] <giudf>	there are 2 index.php
[10:42:44] <giudf>	ok you understood
[10:42:54] <TimStarling>	we call them index.php and config/index.php
[10:43:03] <werdnum>	ah, that one.
[10:43:19] <scuffio>	ok sorry
[10:43:25] <scuffio>	I'm new with this prj
[10:43:32] <werdnum>					htmlspecialchars( $local ) .
[10:43:37] <werdnum>	is that the line you're talking about?
[10:43:43] <scuffio>	no 
[10:43:48] <scuffio>	just a moment
[10:43:50] <werdnum>	oh, eval( $local );
[10:43:54] <scuffio>	$ok = eval( $local );
[10:44:02] <scuffio>	line 737
[10:44:07] <werdnum>	Yes, I can see what you mean
[10:44:17] <werdnum>	That comes from reading a file on your server, and replacing some variables into it.
[10:44:21] <scuffio>	fortify says: The file index.php interprets unvalidated user input as source code on line 737. Interpreting user-controlled instructions at run-time can allow attackers to execute malicious code.
[10:44:29] <werdnum>	No, it doesn't do that.
[10:44:53] <werdnum>	1. It's the install script. It is not accessible to ordinary users.
[10:45:25] <werdnum>	2. It does *not* interpret "unvalidated user input". It interprets an internally-generated configuration file.
[10:45:38] <agaran>	werdnum: fortify knows *better* :D
[10:45:42] <TimStarling>	a configuration file which is going to be executed anyway
[10:45:52] <TimStarling>	the eval() just does it a bit earlier
[10:45:54] <werdnum>	Yes, I was about to say :P
[10:46:10] <TimStarling>	so it's not anything special
[10:47:50] <scuffio>	I understand, so mainly it's not a problem because users cannot access to it, it's just an installation routine isn't it ?
[10:48:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) number translation for MessagesArz.php - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16469  +comment (10siebrand)
[10:48:20] <werdnum>	Right,.
[10:48:35] <werdnum>	It presents a security risk until you first set it up.
[10:49:37] <TimStarling>	it is bad, nonetheless, whether it's executed via eval() or by writing it out and doing a require()
[10:49:46] <TimStarling>	but it's a necessary evil in most cases
[10:49:57] <TimStarling>	because we have to store the database password
[10:50:13] <TimStarling>	and putting it in a PHP file is the best way to do that while avoiding public disclosure
[10:50:29] <werdnum>	Yeah, I found that out when writing the files handler for Configure.
[10:50:43] <TimStarling>	webservers are generally pretty good at avoiding source disclosure
[10:50:57] <werdnum>	We did store settings serialised, but then the config was publicly readable by going to /serialized/conf-now.ser
[10:57:52] <werdnum>	sigh, I got a reply from Stephen Conroy about internet filtering.
[10:57:56] <werdnum>	Canned response.
[10:58:21] <werdnum>	http://wiki.werdn.us/andrew/view/Conroy_Response
[10:58:54] <JimStar>	hi again!... I want to have a textbox on my wiki page and want to give it an "id"
[10:59:11] <JimStar>	so that i can access the box in a javascript function
[10:59:27] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Automatic numbering system does translate - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16486  +comment (10siebrand)
[10:59:38] <Splarka>	what do you want it to do? if you need it for JS stuff, create it with JS
[11:00:30] <JimStar>	well... i want to provide users a search facility... but my wiki is not in English langauge -so i want to use a bit of javascript from Google
[11:00:51] <JimStar>	this JS will transliterate the English text entered by the user
[11:01:00] <giudf>	In the file mediawiki....maintenence/namespace2sql.php fortify tells me that the line 13 is not saftley because "The function mysql_escape_string() cannot be used safely.  It should not be used, In this case the dangerous function you are using is mysql_escape_string() in namespace2sql.php at line 13." why?.
[11:01:14] <Splarka>	var text = document.createElement('textarea'); text.id = 'some_ID'; someobject.appendChild(text), etc
[11:01:23] <werdnum>	giudf: that's only unsafe if you use that maintenance script.
[11:02:23] <werdnum>	maintenance scripts only work from the command line.
[11:02:37] <werdnum>	and if somebody has shell access to your server, there are a lot more problems than SQL injection.
[11:03:09] <JimStar>	i want this textbox to appear only on the main page of my wiki
[11:03:27] <JimStar>	so which JS file should i use to create the box?
[11:03:28] <werdnum>	if (wgTitle == 'Main Page') { ... }
[11:03:56] <giudf>	Can a user have a chance to access to the command line in order to exploit this vulnerability?
[11:04:23] <werdnum>	If we allowed arbitrary shell command execution, SQL injection would be the last of your problems.
[11:04:35] <werdnum>	We can't use mysql_escape_real there because we don't have a connection.
[11:04:40] <werdnum>	That's why we use mysql_escape_string
[11:06:33] <giudf>	Ok so it's not a problem also at the line 14 when fortify says the same thing
[11:06:39] <werdnum>	nope
[11:06:51] <werdnum>	in general, anything under maintenance/ can be ignored, for the same reason.
[11:07:20] <JimStar>	werdnum: where exactly do i need to put this > if (wgTitle == 'Main Page') { ... }
[11:07:28] <JimStar>	i mean in which file?
[11:07:28] <werdnum>	MediaWiki:Common.js
[11:07:31] <JimStar>	ok
[11:07:33] <werdnum>	it's a PAGE on the wiki.
[11:10:51] *werdnum 	grumbles.
[11:10:54] <werdnum>	Firebug is being useless.
[11:12:37] <scuffio>	Line 1874 in config/index.php calls shell_exec() with a command built from untrusted data. This call can cause the program to execute malicious commands on behalf of an attacker.
[11:13:14] <werdnum>	Remember, that's the install script.
[11:13:38] <scuffio>	so, only the administrator can menage it ? 
[11:13:51] <werdnum>	yeah, that file will be deleted later anyway
[11:17:49] <giudf>	I don't understand the answer at the 1st scuffio question when he was asking about a possible open redirect in the javascript file wikibits.js line 103 how can you be sure that it's safe ?!?
[11:18:23] <werdnum>	giudf: what are you talking about
[11:18:25] <werdnum>	hi ialex 
[11:18:37] <werdnum>	just putting the finishing touches on an interface for $wgRateLimits
[11:18:42] <werdnum>	it takes forever :(
[11:19:00] <ialex>	hello werdnum
[11:19:02] <ialex>	hehe :)
[11:19:06] <giudf>	ok I'll be more detailed :
[11:19:56] <giudf>	forify says "The file wikibits.js passes unvalidated data to an HTTP redirect function on line 103. Allowing unvalidated input to control the URL used in a redirect can aid phishing attacks." 
[11:20:24] <Splarka>	it isn't "unvalidated"
[11:21:04] <Splarka>	wgBreakFrames is defined in the first <script> (excluding some IEfixes), and the next script loaded is wikibits.js
[11:21:27] <Splarka>	and all it does is break from the current frame if it is so instructed, by setting the activating window to the top frame
[11:21:40] <werdnum>	Maybe you shouldn't run the entire of MediaWiki through some automated client.
[11:22:01] <werdnum>	This is the software that runs the #6 website in the world, and we have never had a security issue exploited by a malicious attacker.
[11:22:04] <Splarka>	it is a simple if(), you can't re-run it, all user-input JS is afterwards
[11:22:17] <Splarka>	and even if you could, you could write your own identical function and put it anywhere anyways!
[11:23:27] <Splarka>	werdnum: some might argue that, from possible examples of stealing a sysop password set to the same as their username, heh
[11:23:40] <werdnum>	MediaWiki contains 4000 lines of JS, and over 540k lines of PHP
[11:23:50] <p858snake>	giudf: you probably don't have $wgBreakFrames turned on in your localsettings so its getting told its unvalidated
[11:23:56] <Splarka>	(password re-try captcha and basic password obscurity restrictions now in place)
[11:24:23] <werdnum>	there will be LOTS of random warnings thrown up by fortify, and if you honestly want them to be dealt with, you shouldn't put developers on the spot on IRC.
[11:24:34] <yksinaisyyteni>	giudf: it seems like you don't understand the tool you're using
[11:24:36] <werdnum>	You should post a list of warnings somewhere, and it might be useful to somebody trawling for vulnerabilities.
[11:24:46] <werdnum>	I think our QA is better than your tool.
[11:24:46] <Splarka>	p858snake: wgBreakFrames JS var shoulda always appear even if false or undefined in 
[11:24:57] <yksinaisyyteni>	giudf: automated security scanners are not a substitute for manual review, they're intended as a starting point for manual review
[11:24:59] <Splarka>	          'wgBreakFrames' => $wgBreakFrames,
[11:25:20] <Splarka>	the line isn't excluded if it is false, just set to 'false'
[11:25:33] <Splarka>	if it is in, heh
[11:26:40] <padde>	i'm so irritated by the red-coloured links in my blog that I had to change the theme now... mediawiki's "red link = page doesn't exist" association is carved into my brain already ;)
[11:26:40] <giudf>	for e.g how that variable is set on wikipedia ?
[11:27:14] <Splarka>	http://google.com/codesearch?num=100&q=package%3Asvn.wikimedia.org%2Fsvnroot%2Fmediawiki%2Ftrunk+file%3Aphase3%2F+wgbreakframes
[11:27:28] <Splarka>	there, there, and there
[11:27:31] <giudf>	tnx I'm going to read
[11:29:00] <CIA-8>	03siebrand * r44220 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesPt.php MessagesPt_br.php): Add file namespaces for pt and pt-br to each other per request by 555.
[11:29:07] <giudf>	so if I understand correctly that variable for default is always turned off isn't it ?
[11:30:06] <scuffio>	it'a silly question 
[11:30:16] <scuffio>	it's oblivius 
[11:30:29] <CIA-8>	03ialex * r44221 10/trunk/extensions/ (3 files in 2 dirs): svn:eol-style native
[11:31:07] <werdnum>	ialex: i'm going to commit it, but the tables are jumpy when you click show/hide.
[11:31:23] <ialex>	werdnum: we'll see :)
[11:31:50] <werdnum>	oh wait, I haven't added the code to load from request
[11:31:51] <werdnum>	whoops
[11:31:52] <werdnum>	:)
[11:32:06] *werdnum 	facepalm
[11:32:11] <Splarka>	jumpy tables? he related to little bobby tables?
[11:32:19] *werdnum 	slaps Splarka 
[11:32:30] <Splarka>	ow
[11:33:23] <ialex>	werdnum: might be better :D
[11:34:24] <_JayT_>	ne1 alive?
[11:34:52] <agaran>	2bee||!2bee
[11:35:21] <_JayT_>	hey im trying to migrate a mediawiki instance to another box
[11:35:24] <_JayT_>	having some trouble
[11:35:43] <_JayT_>	can ne1 help???
[11:36:15] <agaran>	Splarka: point for you :-)
[11:36:46] <werdnum>	!backup | _JayT_ 
[11:36:46] --mwbot--	_JayT_: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki
[11:36:56] <ialex>	and http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Moving_a_wiki
[11:37:00] <werdnum>	_JayT_: just a minor point, AOL-speak is likely to get you laughed at in here.
[11:37:23] <agaran>	werdnum: aol mean america offline?
[11:38:02] <_JayT_>	werdnum: dude im oblivious to that. I don't even know what aol speak is....
[11:38:41] <_JayT_>	werdnum: you talking about me saying ne1?
[11:38:44] <yksinaisyyteni>	_JayT_: saying "ne1" instead of using proper words
[11:39:17] <yksinaisyyteni>	in most decent channels it'd probably get you banned, but i think we're a bit too luvvy-duvvy for that in here
[11:39:34] <_JayT_>	yksinaisyyteni: alrighty then. 
[11:39:58] *Splarka 	snorts
[11:40:19] *Splarka 	offers river some fresh baked oatmeal cookies (mind the ones with onion)
[11:40:26] <_JayT_>	werdnum: yeah, im using both those resources
[11:42:07] <_JayT_>	here is the error i see in my apache log:
[11:42:09] <_JayT_>	PHP Fatal error:  require_once() [<a href='function.require'>function.require</a>]: Failed opening required 'includes/Utf8Case.php'
[11:42:24] <CIA-8>	03siebrand * r44222 10/trunk/extensions/LinkOpenID/ (LinkOpenID.i18n.php LinkOpenID.php): 
[11:42:24] <CIA-8>	* update extension credits
[11:42:24] <CIA-8>	* fix typo in message
[11:42:24] <CIA-8>	* update whitespace and indentation
[11:48:58] <_JayT_>	i think LocalSettings.php is where my problem is
[11:49:42] <werdnum>	_JayT_: different versions?
[11:49:48] <werdnum>	bad install on one end?
[11:49:48] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Remove hardcoded limit from Special:Whatlinkshere - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16559 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (lgarczewski)
[11:49:57] <_JayT_>	the one end is fine
[11:50:06] <_JayT_>	i tar up the pages and dump the dump
[11:50:09] <_JayT_>	sorry
[11:50:14] <_JayT_>	dump the db
[11:50:24] <_JayT_>	import the dump on the new server
[11:50:38] <_JayT_>	copy the tar'd pages over too
[11:50:43] <ialex>	_JayT_: can you paste your LocalSettings.php http://rafb.net/paste/ *after removing password*?
[11:51:20] *MrZ-man 	waves
[11:51:27] <ialex>	hello MrZ-man
[11:52:12] <_JayT_>	ialex: not at the moment....
[11:54:43] <_JayT_>	what is $wgScriptPath ?
[11:54:47] *werdnum 	~/dcommit.sh
[11:54:57] <_JayT_>	in layman's terms?
[11:55:17] *MrZ-man 	passes out from lack of sleep
[11:56:04] <ialex>	!wg ScriptPath | _JayT_
[11:56:04] --mwbot--	_JayT_: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgScriptPath
[11:56:57] <CIA-8>	03werdna * r44223 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (4 files): 
[11:56:57] <CIA-8>	Add a sexy new UI for $wgRateLimits.
[11:56:57] <CIA-8>	Still has weird jumpy tables, which have their width set to 100% with CSS. Still need to investigate that, but it's not a blocker.
[11:57:19] <werdnum>	ialex: wanna give it a whirl?
[11:57:38] *ialex 	svn ups
[12:01:32] <ialex>	werdnum: a <br /> between "Allowed actions" and "Reset period" would be nice ;)
[12:01:55] <werdnum>	fiiiiine :)
[12:02:09] <ialex>	"Useless type: configure-biglist configure-rate-limits-action " <- hmm?
[12:02:10] <werdnum>	done in working copy
[12:02:11] <domas>	OMG
[12:02:13] <domas>	DID YOU SEE
[12:02:17] <werdnum>	oh, Style Version.
[12:02:19] <domas>	THAT GUY IS RUNNING MEDIAWIKI ON 5.1
[12:02:20] <werdnum>	need to bump that
[12:02:23] <werdnum>	just shift-refresh.
[12:02:24] <domas>	SEE IT YOURSELF
[12:02:44] <ialex>	domas: remove your caps lock :)
[12:02:56] <werdnum>	domas: mysql 5.1 or PHP 5.1?
[12:03:01] <domas>	ialex: I AM NOT USING IT
[12:03:01] <ialex>	mysql
[12:03:12] <domas>	ialex: THANKS FOR REMINDING ABOUT CAPS LOCK. NOW IT IS MUCH EASIER TO TYPE
[12:03:42] *ialex 	slaps domas :P
[12:03:55] *MrZ-man 	should get breakfast soon
[12:04:01] *werdnum 	throws rocks at domas 
[12:04:03] <werdnum>	MrZ-man: go to bed
[12:04:07] <werdnum>	ialex: did you shift refresh?
[12:04:14] <MrZ-man>	I have class in 3 hours
[12:04:30] <MrZ-man>	its 7 AM here
[12:04:36] *domas 	catches rocks, throws back
[12:04:54] <giudf>	I noticed that some php files in the mediawiki has got the "inc" extension instead that "php" what does it mean ?
[12:05:03] <ialex>	werdnum: better :)
[12:06:57] <ialex>	werdnum: you need also to update Configure.diff.php :)
[12:06:58] <scuffio>	just a google search id...
[12:07:08] <werdnum>	ialex: yeah, I thought of that.
[12:07:09] *werdnum 	grumbles.
[12:07:23] <ialex>	and Configure.api.php :)
[12:07:59] <werdnum>	ialex: can't we just use YAML?
[12:08:26] <ialex>	YAML?
[12:09:06] <werdnum>	oh, you haven't seen it before?
[12:09:11] <werdnum>	Let me demonstrate...
[12:09:36] <ialex>	no :(
[12:12:04] <werdnum>	ialex: http://werdn.us/page/pastebin?id=12
[12:12:28] <rss>	hi, are there utilities for console which convert HTML tags into wiki markup?
[12:13:10] <JimStar>	I want to include a JS from Google in my page
[12:13:19] <JimStar>	<script type="text/javascript" src="http://www.google.com/jsapi"></script>
[12:13:26] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special:Random should pick from ContentNamespaces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16560 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (lgarczewski)
[12:13:28] <werdnum>	which page?
[12:13:33] <JimStar>	main page
[12:16:17] <werdnum>	brb shower.
[12:16:23] <werdnum>	ialex: what do I have to do with API?
[12:16:41] <ialex>	Spyc::YAMLDump( $arr );
[12:16:55] <werdnum>	http://www.geekologie.com/2008/11/good_idea_man_submits_drawing.php
[12:18:54] <JimStar>	any help for me?!
[12:19:46] <ialex>	werdnum: I'll do the API
[12:23:56] <CIA-8>	03ialex * r44224 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/Configure.page.php: Avoid fatal errors if $current[$name] is not set
[12:28:48] <CIA-8>	03siebrand * r44225 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesSw.php: Localisation updates from Betawiki. Namespaces and special page aliases
[12:29:11] <not_registered>	right. That's why it was confusing me. Wikidot emulates wiki syntax with CSS syntax, just found that I can do row/col span there, meh
[12:29:29] <not_registered>	*Can't
[12:37:26] <mrglinux>	hi can I download mediawiki without donate because in this location I can not pay for society problem 
[12:37:47] <not_registered>	mrglinux: troll
[12:39:10] <not_registered>	ekkkk!!!! Wikihost isn't good, default template is bad and they have banners on bottom, top and right side
[12:39:40] <werdnum>	ialex: <3
[12:39:46] <not_registered>	plus, captcha to confirm every and each save
[12:39:56] <werdnum>	ialex: unfortunately, we can't rely on Spyc existing :(
[12:40:05] <not_registered>	regardless of loggin in or not
[12:42:21] <ialex>	werdnum: will be away for some hours
[12:42:24] <werdnum>	okay
[12:42:26] <werdnum>	that's cool.
[12:42:29] <werdnum>	I might have an early night
[12:42:31] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Make links to nonexisting sections being easy distinguishable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16561 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (derbeth)
[12:42:31] <werdnum>	before 1am :)
[12:42:33] <ialex>	werdnum: will see that when I come back
[12:42:40] <ialex>	werdnum: 'night
[12:42:43] <werdnum>	nn
[12:43:01] <not_registered>	mrglinux: resay what you said, that sentence is alien language
[12:43:39] <mrglinux>	not_registered: sorry
[12:43:43] <mrglinux>	ok
[12:45:37] <mrglinux>	im limited in Internet because for my country . so I can't payment from internet and I don't have paypal account and ... so I need media wiki and in the part download .. I have to paye at less 1 $ but I don't have payment feature 
[12:46:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) number translation for MessagesArz.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16469  (10gaghaly)
[12:46:40] <werdnum>	You should be able to download MediaWiki for free.
[12:46:55] <werdnum>	If you can't, it's not our fault :)
[12:47:13] <not_registered>	is mediawiki available as a torrent?
[12:47:33] <domas>	haha-funny
[12:48:04] <mrglinux>	http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate/Now/en?utm_source=2008_meter_1c&utm_medium=sitenotice&utm_campaign=fundraiser2008  I got this
[12:48:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) number translation for MessagesArz.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16469  (10siebrand)
[12:49:17] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Make links to self-redirects being easy distinguishable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16562 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (derbeth)
[12:49:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make links to nonexisting sections being easy distinguishable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16561  (10derbeth)
[12:50:21] <not_registered>	wikihost sux
[12:50:25] <giudf>	 Line 579 of Database.php invokes a SQL query built using unvalidated input.  This call could allow an attacker to modify the statement's meaning or to execute arbitrary SQL commands, I noticed that the parameters are safe, because is passed in function addQuotes, the question is there is a way for an attacker to exploit ?
[12:50:41] <Splarka>	mrglinux: it is free, http://download.wikimedia.org/mediawiki
[12:50:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make links to nonexisting sections being easy distinguishable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16561  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[12:51:24] <Splarka>	the fundraiser is more for Wikimedia projects in general, of which mediawiki is but one (and a free one)
[12:52:11] <mrglinux>	thanks
[12:52:24] <Splarka>	http://download.wikimedia.org/mediawiki/1.13/mediawiki-1.13.2.tar.gz
[12:53:19] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Why not clicking icons in "Login successful" jump to main page of project - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16563 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (3tx38k)
[12:54:39] *werdnum 	eats domas 
[12:54:41] <werdnum>	nom nom nom
[12:55:04] *p858snake 	nom nom nom's on werdnum's brain
[12:55:08] <werdnum>	ow!
[12:55:10] <werdnum>	I need that!
[12:55:12] *werdnum 	takes back.
[12:55:18] <not_registered>	great, somebody hosted a copy of "wikies for dummies" book in google
[12:55:45] *p858snake 	replaces werdnum's brain with senator conroys instead >.>
[12:56:02] <scuffio>	I don't know if addQuest remove the problem from the grow 
[12:57:09] <scuffio>	are we assuming that is sure for mediawiki ? 
[13:00:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make links to nonexisting sections being easy distinguishable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16561  (10derbeth)
[13:02:11] *^demon 	removes one of werdnum's extra feet and begins munching
[13:03:00] <werdnum>	eeep
[13:04:43] <not_registered>	hmmm... I'm sticking with wikidot
[13:19:47] <CIA-8>	03werdna * r44226 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (Configure.diff.php Configure.page.php): 
[13:19:47] <CIA-8>	Configure extension diffs:
[13:19:47] <CIA-8>	* Implement specific behaviour for $wgRateLimits.
[13:19:47] <CIA-8>	* Fix up $wgGroupPermissions by sorting, so we don't show false changes.
[13:19:47] <CIA-8>	* Only show 'true' permissions, so we don't show false changes (having false is the same as being unset, so let's treat it as unset)
[13:21:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make links to nonexisting sections being easy distinguishable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16561  +comment (10abxabx)
[13:22:03] <^demon>	There needs to be a way to search for "Enhancement requests that aren't necessarily a *bad* idea (so we didn't WONTFIX), but nobody cares enough (except the requestor) to implement it"
[13:22:10] <CIA-8>	03werdna * r44227 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/Configure.php: Bump style
[13:24:20] <siebrand>	^demon: feature & WONTFIX? :)
[13:27:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make links to nonexisting sections being easy distinguishable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16561  (10innocentkiller)
[13:28:30] <^demon>	Am I crazy in thinking that bug is a bad idea and not worth it?
[13:28:36] <Splarka>	how about a keyword: pet
[13:29:13] <^demon>	I have pet bugs.
[13:29:40] <CIA-8>	03werdna * r44228 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/Configure.js: Don't show [+] for sections with only one subsection, it looks stupid.
[13:30:20] <Sasa^Stefanovic>	werdnum, is there any demo page of configure extension ?
[13:31:50] <werdnum>	Sasa^Stefanovic: I have it set up on a wiki, if you'd like me to give you the requisite rights.
[13:32:21] <werdnum>	or you can try look but don't touch mode :P
[13:32:31] <werdnum>	http://werdn.us/test/view/Special:ViewConfig
[13:32:48] <^demon>	404.
[13:33:13] <Sasa^Stefanovic>	404 - Not Found
[13:33:14] <Sasa^Stefanovic>	:)
[13:33:44] <werdnum>	sorry, should be http://wiki.werdn.us/test/view/Special:ViewConfig
[13:34:06] <CIA-8>	03werdna * r44229 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/Configure.page.php: Kill debugging code, commented out.
[13:34:09] <Sasa^Stefanovic>	loading :)
[13:36:44] <Sasa^Stefanovic>	nice
[13:37:05] <Sasa^Stefanovic>	but menu is somehow ugly on ff 2 runing on fedora
[13:37:33] <werdnum>	what's wrong with it specifically?
[13:37:48] <Sasa^Stefanovic>	wait
[13:37:51] <^demon>	note to self: function != fuction
[13:37:58] <Sasa^Stefanovic>	http://i36.tinypic.com/2lcmkqe.jpg
[13:38:05] <Sasa^Stefanovic>	^demon, :)
[13:38:31] <^demon>	My "n" key has been acting up.
[13:38:41] <Sasa^Stefanovic>	werdnum, as you see, text background color, or whatever, is over text above
[13:38:46] <Sasa^Stefanovic>	or menu item above
[13:39:03] <Sasa^Stefanovic>	hint: make skins for configure extensions :PP
[13:39:08] <Sasa^Stefanovic>	-s
[13:39:33] <werdnum>	hmm, it shouldn't be showing all those settings.
[13:39:52] <Sasa^Stefanovic>	i was thinking about tabs, like on Special:Preferences, but that would be much tabs and subtabs
[13:39:59] <werdnum>	there would be way too many
[13:40:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make links to nonexisting sections being easy distinguishable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16561  (10abxabx)
[13:40:55] <Splarka>	less padding, more margin, heh
[13:41:39] <Sasa^Stefanovic>	werdnum, http://i34.tinypic.com/2qx2v6d.jpg
[13:41:47] <Sasa^Stefanovic>	another "bug"
[13:42:32] <werdnum>	ew, something's wrong with Special:ViewConfig
[13:45:22] <p858snake>	Sasa^Stefanovic> another "bug" <atleast its not a bug in a bugtracker *pushes folder from view*
[13:46:55] <CIA-8>	03werdna * r44230 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (Configure.i18n.php Configure.page.php SpecialViewConfig.php): Fix wgRateLimits display in read-only mode.
[13:47:55] <Sasa^Stefanovic>	p858snake, that's why i put "" on bug, because it's not "real" bug
[13:50:35] *Sasa^Stefanovic 	off
[13:59:42] <rss>	how to upload content en masse through CSV?
[14:00:11] <werdnum>	write yourself a script.
[14:00:33] <rss>	aren't there already scripts which do that?
[14:00:46] <mrglinux>	does mediawiki has upload file ability ?
[14:02:37] <werdnum>	!upload | mrglinux 
[14:02:37] --mwbot--	mrglinux: File uploads are disabled per default, set $wgEnableUploads=true to enable it. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads> for configuration details, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Managing_files> and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images> for using uploaded images and other files.
[14:04:38] <mrglinux>	I set $wgLogo="images/logo.png"; but I see that first image again
[14:06:04] <Splarka>	!logo
[14:06:04] --mwbot--	The logo that appears in the top left of each page is determined by $wgLogo in the LocalSettings.php file. To change this you simply change the value of $wgLogo to point to the URL of your own logo. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgLogo> for more information. Be sure $wgLogo is set to an absolute path, starting with "/" (or a protocol "http:"/"https:"). If you are using pretty URLs a relative path will behave oddly.
[14:06:12] <Splarka>	^bit about relative path
[14:07:31] <mrglinux>	ok
[14:11:01] <lch>	how do I link to http://en.wikisource.org/ with interwiki links?
[14:12:08] <Splarka>	if it is on your own wiki, however you want 
[14:12:08] <str4nd>	[[s:Main page]]
[14:12:14] <Splarka>	if it is on an existing wiki, check the interwiki map
[14:12:25] <Splarka>	^if it is on wikimedya, what str said
[14:12:29] <str4nd>	yes
[14:12:34] <Splarka>	s/y/i
[14:14:42] <lch>	Wikisource:en:WHATEVER
[14:15:41] <lch>	"Wikisource:en:The Art of War (Sun)" in my case
[14:15:52] <lch>	just Wikisource doesn't work on that
[14:17:15] <str4nd>	lch, How about "Wikisource:The art of War (Sun)"?
[14:18:13] <lch>	as I said, it has been moved from Wikisource to en.wikisource
[14:34:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add Revision Diff functionality to API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13209  (10roan.kattouw)
[14:39:34] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) In bugzilla, add component 'tests' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15967  +comment (10siebrand)
[14:42:43] <CIA-8>	03catrope * r44231 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/api/ApiQueryUsers.php): API: Recommit r44182 (Added usprop=canemail to list=users) and rename canemail to emailable
[14:43:00] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Determining whether a user has email confirmed and enabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16526  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[14:46:08] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add Support for X-XRDS-Location meta header to LinkOpenID - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16564 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (wikimedia-bugreports)
[14:46:17] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Add a component for rev_deleted or deletion generally - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16544  +comment (10siebrand)
[14:49:57] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Add Support for X-XRDS-Location meta header to LinkOpenID - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16564  (10wikimedia-bugreports)
[14:53:34] <bebraw>	does someone know if relative links are supposed to work with mediawiki+fckeditor (wikia version)?
[14:59:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add Revision Diff functionality to API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13209  (10AlexSm)
[15:03:32] <mrglinux>	how to rtl or ltr in edit mode ?
[15:04:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add Revision Diff functionality to API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13209  (10roan.kattouw)
[15:05:47] <bebraw>	mrglinux, rtl, ltr?
[15:06:55] <mrglinux>	bebraw ye installed my mediawiki in fa language and it's rtl but if I want to type english I need rtl but editor is rtl . also I changed lang but editor was rtl 
[15:08:17] <Splarka>	there are some bidi js gadgets
[15:10:13] <Splarka>	http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-BiDiEditing.js
[15:10:16] <Splarka>	http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-BiDiEditing2.js
[15:23:12] <bebraw>	are there other graphical editors, besides fckeditor, available for mediawiki?
[15:30:25] <hippietrail>	how do i use the api to fetch data into a variable by setting a script elements src?
[15:30:50] <hippietrail>	i can't spot it in the api help
[15:32:25] <Splarka>	heh
[15:32:35] <Splarka>	apparently nobody thought of it until I started doing it all over the place
[15:32:58] <Splarka>	format=json&callback=someFunctionName
[15:33:18] <Splarka>	importScriptURI(wgScriptPath + '/api.php?stuff')
[15:33:36] <Splarka>	and then:
[15:33:47] <Splarka>	function someFunctionName(obj) {
[15:33:59] <Splarka>	and obj has all your data, if you can get it!, mwhahaha, sucker
[15:34:16] <Splarka>	hippietrail: if you give me an example of data you want I can give you a simple script outline to get it
[15:35:08] <hippietrail>	yes "callback". hard to search for when you can't remember its name (-: thanks i just found it by remembering it must be json-specific!
[15:37:02] <Splarka>	hippietrail: one spelunkophagia... you lose your certs with callback
[15:37:44] <Splarka>	you are limited to the 'low' limits, 50 parameters (not 500), 500 results (not 5000), no priv info like your user info, or tokens
[15:37:55] <hippietrail>	sorry its late i don unnerstand everythin
[15:38:07] <Splarka>	okay
[15:38:13] <Splarka>	imagine if callback worked while you were logged in
[15:38:35] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=info&titles=Foo&intoken=edit
[15:38:50] <Splarka>	imagine if you could visit a random website, and they could load this in a <script> for your browser
[15:39:07] <hippietrail>	ah so my code has a function that expects an object and when i load the mwjson the loaded code immediately calls said function right?
[15:39:09] <Splarka>	they would then, on their remote website but in your browser, have your edit token 
[15:39:39] <Splarka>	they could construct a <form> with an action pointing to en.wp, and .click() the submit button, making _you_ edit wikipedia as _you_
[15:39:52] <Splarka>	this is why all callback calls are treated as anonymous
[15:40:01] <hippietrail>	hmm nasty i almost understand
[15:40:10] <Splarka>	well
[15:40:17] <Splarka>	okay, you know how cross-site ajax is very bad(TM) ?
[15:40:23] <hippietrail>	why a callback and not just a name to assign the object to?
[15:40:42] <hippietrail>	yes in general
[15:40:50] <Splarka>	json callback circumvents it trivially!
[15:41:10] <Splarka>	but without a callback function wrapper, adding a json to an src is just an error
[15:41:37] <Splarka>	hippietrail: as for a function...
[15:41:55] <Splarka>	with a callback you can halt script execution by simply putting the rest of your script into the callback function
[15:42:15] <Splarka>	if it assigned data to a variable, you'd have to periodically check it with a setInterval or something
[15:42:46] <hippietrail>	ah. or an event?
[15:43:08] <hippietrail>	yeah im way too tired to process the technical reasons at 2.30am plus jetlag tho
[15:44:31] <Splarka>	heh
[15:45:08] <Splarka>	anyway, I like to call the functions SomethingRelatedToTheScriptCB and name the parameter (obj)
[15:45:32] <Splarka>	and then... if(!obj['query'] || !obj['query']['pages'] ) return    (or error)
[15:45:40] <Splarka>	depending on expected result
[15:46:07] <hippietrail>	when in your code do you call the callback?
[15:46:25] <Splarka>	you can even check for obj['query']['query-continue'] (or whatever it is for the query type) and re-call the next API call in the callback
[15:46:29] <Splarka>	ahh, you don't, the json does
[15:46:31] <hippietrail>	i played with this about a year ago bur forget it all coz it never went beyond playing
[15:46:34] <Splarka>	you define it wherever you want
[15:46:39] <Splarka>	and then the json uses it
[15:47:01] <Splarka>	in serialized browsers, the json <script> is after the current <script> in the head
[15:47:04] <hippietrail>	so importing the json executes it?
[15:47:16] <Splarka>	so the json's script isn't called until the rest of the script calling it is at least loaded
[15:47:24] <Splarka>	right
[15:47:50] <Splarka>	so you can happily load a dozen importScriptURI() with a dozen callback functions (or the same), and let them load at their leisure, parallel, serialized, whatever
[15:48:08] <Splarka>	the callback function is like the onreadystate handler
[15:48:20] <Splarka>	tricky eh?
[15:48:22] <hippietrail>	hmm ill have to work out how to make that work for what i need when im not so tired
[15:49:25] <hippietrail>	i guess i imagined a "give me the object for this api url" scenario
[15:50:01] <hippietrail>	and then again n number of times depending on what stuff i get from that object and so on
[15:50:27] *Splarka 	nods
[15:50:36] <Splarka>	you can name different functions for different tasks
[15:50:47] <Splarka>	or use the same function and query-continue, calling itself recursively
[15:50:50] <hippietrail>	but importing it doesnt run it right away but when all preceding js is completed right?
[15:51:02] <Splarka>	well
[15:51:14] <Splarka>	it also has the pesky delay from actually fetching it from the website, too
[15:51:18] <Splarka>	but it is cached a bit
[15:51:24] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/User:Splarka
[15:51:53] <CIA-8>	03catrope * r44232 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 2 dirs): API: (bug 16515) Added pst and onlypst parameters to action=parse, which do a pre-save transform on the input
[15:51:56] <hippietrail>	actually i have to call repeatedly an unpredicable number of times passing back info i get from processing previous calls
[15:52:01] <Splarka>	check out contribsrange, contribsmulti, galleryimagelist, togglegallery, sysopdectector...
[15:52:44] <Splarka>	contribsrange will call itself up to 200 times (and more if you let it go wild)
[15:53:07] <Splarka>	oh, the most complex one... dabfinder
[15:53:21] <Splarka>	it makes a call, and that return call makes a different type of call to another function
[15:53:23] <hippietrail>	basically i'll be querying article names with a prefix, building that prefix with permutations of a pattern
[15:53:36] <Splarka>	right, easily doable
[15:53:52] <Splarka>	you can also use &requestid which I had roan put in ^_^
[15:53:55] <Splarka>	here is why...
[15:54:11] <hippietrail>	basically i want to be able to get a list of article names that match a limited kind of pattern
[15:54:16] <Splarka>	I was running a bunch of parallel queries based on some objects in the html and was getting pissed off trying to match them up after
[15:54:34] <hippietrail>	asynch blues yeah
[15:54:51] <Splarka>	what I had to do was finally eval('function funcname' + i + () { function someotherfunc(obj,i)})
[15:54:56] <hippietrail>	i grok the prob already this time
[15:55:12] <Splarka>	that is, define a wrapper function for every query, and then pass the request ID to that wrapped function as a parameter
[15:55:31] <Splarka>	but with &requestid I can match them up easily
[15:55:50] <Splarka>	er, missed some quotes in there but you get the idea
[15:55:59] <CIA-8>	03catrope * r44233 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ (ApiQueryLogEvents.php ApiQueryWatchlist.php): Revert part of r44232, accidentally committed too much
[15:56:05] <hippietrail>	think so
[15:56:06] <Splarka>	hah
[15:56:08] <Splarka>	silly cat
[15:56:23] <Splarka>	the API is being "improved" as we speak
[15:56:50] <Splarka>	anyway, I've done lots of the dirty work, but now the API callback processing is pretty easy
[15:56:51] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) API: Add option for action=parse to do preSaveTransform - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16515  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[15:57:17] <hippietrail>	i want to do stuff like getting all the article titles that match "r[eé]sum[eé]"
[15:58:12] <hippietrail>	so i see. roans always been really responsive when ive asked him for stuff
[15:59:38] <CIA-8>	03catrope * r44234 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/api/ApiQueryLogEvents.php): API: (bug 16541) Adding block expiry timestamp to list=logevents output (calculated from the block's timestamp and its duration)
[15:59:54] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) list=logevents doesn't give block expiry time - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16541  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[15:59:57] <hippietrail>	so first i do list=allpages&apprefix=r
[16:00:35] <hippietrail>	if that succeeds i then do list=allpages&apprefix=re and list=allpages&apprefix=ré
[16:00:36] <hippietrail>	etc
[16:01:04] <Splarka>	why not just start with the full prefix?
[16:01:19] <hippietrail>	because they are combinatorial
[16:01:21] <Splarka>	(you must have a reason, but that sounds inefficient and a bit taxing on the poor servers)
[16:01:34] <Splarka>	ah (what? no, I don't wanna know)
[16:01:41] <hippietrail>	the pattern could be [ab][bc][cd][ef][gh][ij]
[16:02:15] <hippietrail>	so you only look for longer prefixes when you know the shorter prefixes are there
[16:02:52] <hippietrail>	at least thats what i do with my code that uses a local dump file
[16:04:35] <hippietrail>	i want to use it to find all accent variations of the current article title
[16:04:57] <hippietrail>	isnt there a way to do batch api requests?
[16:06:16] <Splarka>	sure, batch them! but you should probably be doing this on the toolserver I think
[16:06:56] <Splarka>	in fact...
[16:07:32] <hippietrail>	well in fact i have a firefox extension which returns similar json for similar queries by looking up a local dump file
[16:07:54] <Splarka>	hmm, so you want, for example...
[16:08:05] <Splarka>	all matches to r.sum. on en.wikt?
[16:08:16] <hippietrail>	at the moment i do it perl but it would be nice to automate as an editor tool
[16:08:45] <Splarka>	http://toolserver.org/~nikola/grep.php?pattern=%5Er.%7B1%2C4%7Dsum.%7B1%2C4%7D%24&lang=en&wiki=wiktionary&ns=0&redirects=on
[16:09:02] <hippietrail>	not all matches. the . in that case would only match variants of e such as e é ë è ê
[16:09:43] *Splarka 	adjusts
[16:09:56] <Splarka>	damn
[16:10:47] *Splarka 	tries ascii
[16:10:48] <hippietrail>	my code actually builds a regex with all the variants of each letter that has variants but it doesnt do full patters such as nesting, repeating, etc
[16:11:25] <Splarka>	well, anyway, you can regexly grep titles of any language/project/namespace with that tool
[16:11:35] <Splarka>	no stress on the live servers
[16:11:50] <Splarka>	just takes some work with unicode/high bit ascii
[16:12:08] <hippietrail>	hmm ^r[eé]sum[eé]$ only returns "resume"
[16:12:13] <Splarka>	indeed
[16:12:17] <Splarka>	the encoding isn't perfect
[16:12:36] <Splarka>	you probably need to use php unicode characters, whatever they are, maybe \u0000 or something
[16:12:43] <hippietrail>	so i can find all accent variants except those which use accents
[16:12:44] <Splarka>	http://toolserver.org/~nikola/grep.php?pattern=%5Er.%7B1%2C2%7Dsum.%7B1%2C2%7D%24&lang=en&wiki=wiktionary&ns=0&redirects=on
[16:12:55] <Splarka>	this finds all 1-2 bit characters
[16:12:58] <Splarka>	pessimistic much?
[16:13:03] <Splarka>	er, 1-2 byte
[16:13:49] <Splarka>	hmm
[16:14:09] <hippietrail>	handy concept if i can get around the brokenness
[16:14:22] <Splarka>	...
[16:14:25] <Splarka>	pessimistic always
[16:14:34] <hippietrail>	might have to encode byte y byte rather than by wide char
[16:14:53] *Splarka 	smacks hippie a bit until he gets a job, cuts his hair, stops smoking dope
[16:15:03] <Splarka>	ah, \x
[16:15:33] <hippietrail>	but is it possible to do a batch query of two or more allpages?
[16:15:59] <Splarka>	that's an insane way to do it
[16:16:00] <hippietrail>	i havent started smoking dope yet and i start work on sunday and hands of the hair d-:
[16:16:08] <Splarka>	you really want to allpages all pages starting with r?
[16:16:16] <hippietrail>	with a limit of 1
[16:16:32] <Splarka>	hmm
[16:16:46] <hippietrail>	ony way i see for checking that titles with a given prefix exist
[16:17:15] <hippietrail>	limit of 0 could potentially work but 0 is banned and nobody else would probably ever want it anyway (-:
[16:18:03] <Splarka>	do what now?
[16:18:19] <hippietrail>	but it would be nice to check for half a dozen prefixen in a single query
[16:18:59] <hippietrail>	with a limit of 0 you would receive instead of a list just a yes or no
[16:19:34] <hippietrail>	or prefix with limit 0 might give you a count of how many prefixes there are
[16:21:18] <hippietrail>	eventually want to get it to work with all cjk unihan variants too
[16:21:44] <hippietrail>	after that maybe even looking up kanji by romaji input
[16:21:55] <Splarka>	hmm
[16:28:08] <Splarka>	damn, I can't get it happy with unicode
[16:29:14] <Splarka>	hippietrail: http://toolserver.org/~nikola/grep.php?pattern=%5Er%28e%7C%C3%A9%29sum%28e%7C%C3%A9%29%24&lang=en&wiki=wiktionary&ns=0&redirects=on
[16:29:43] <Splarka>	that works at least, but sigh
[16:31:38] <hippietrail>	yeah its in its 8 bit character mind
[16:33:42] <Splarka>	well, ask the author to fix it up and make a json version
[16:34:04] <RingtailedFox>	sory about last night... was constantly being pulled away when i was trying to configure tidy
[16:37:23] <hippietrail>	probably a php limitation but not sure. i forget how utf8 savvy php is. perl can do it but perl is perl
[16:58:42] <CIA-8>	03ialex * r44235 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (Configure.api.php Configure.page.php): 
[16:58:42] <CIA-8>	* Support rate-limits in API
[16:58:42] <CIA-8>	* Whitespaces fixes
[17:00:23] <CIA-8>	03ialex * r44236 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/Configure.api.php: oops :)
[17:08:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) {{int:X}} respects user-defined interface language, breaking link tables etc. (aka {{USERIFCODE}} strikes back) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14404  (10mikelifeguard)
[17:09:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow global renaming of global users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14862  (10mikelifeguard)
[17:13:55] <CIA-8>	03siebrand * r44237 10/trunk/extensions/LinkOpenID/ (LinkOpenID.i18n.php LinkOpenID.php): (bug 16564) Add Support for X-XRDS-Location meta header
[17:14:58] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Add Support for X-XRDS-Location meta header to LinkOpenID - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16564  +comment (10siebrand)
[17:17:31] <CIA-8>	03siebrand * r44238 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/mediawiki-defines.txt: 
[17:17:31] <CIA-8>	* Add support for LinkOpenID
[17:17:31] <CIA-8>	* Fix sorting for Cldr
[17:24:32] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) SQL returns additional hit? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16565 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Categories; (D.U.Thibault)
[17:24:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Pages can be deleted more than once without recreating or restoring them - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13526  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[17:25:28] <CIA-8>	03ialex * r44239 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (CHANGELOG Configure.php): CHANGELOG entry and bump version
[17:26:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SQL returns additional hit? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16565  +comment (10D.U.Thibault)
[17:28:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Colour-coding of items in page histories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5491  +comment (10johan.uhle)
[17:28:47] <Lastwebpage>	what could be a reason that some sites are blank, but only for logged in users?
[17:30:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Colour-coding of items in page histories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5491  +comment (10johan.uhle)
[17:30:18] <Mazi>	hi all! short question: does mediawiki check if a username is unique or is it possible to have several users called "TestUser"? 
[17:30:38] <ialex>	username is unique
[17:30:47] <Mazi>	thanks for your quick answer!
[17:38:26] <ssfel>	I have a really stupid question. just installed mediawiki for the first time and I need to login as sysop but I get rejected. Where should I go to login with sysop privileges? is there a special page like /sysop or something for that?
[17:38:35] <ssfel>	again sorry for the retarded question but I couldn't find the answer
[17:38:47] <Mike_lifeguard>	No, the normal login page
[17:39:02] <Mike_lifeguard>	Do you know that the account was created by the installer correctly?
[17:39:26] <Mike_lifeguard>	[[Special:ListUsers]] lists users and what groups they're in
[17:39:35] <ssfel>	yes I saved it, the username, the password 
[17:39:40] <ssfel>	okay thanks. I'll look into it
[17:39:58] <Mike_lifeguard>	there should be a user with sysop and bureaucrat rights called 'Sysop' or 'Admin' I think?
[17:40:54] <domas>	crucially: wwikea? :)
[17:40:55] <domas>	wikea
[17:41:05] <crucially>	?
[17:41:08] <Mike_lifeguard>	If not, I think there is a maintenance script you can run to fix that... CreateAndPromote.php I think?
[17:45:32] <ialex>	Mike_lifeguard: first letter is lowercase, as in all maintenance scripts ;)
[17:46:12] <Mike_lifeguard>	close enough :)
[17:46:17] <Mike_lifeguard>	closer than i expected :D
[17:49:35] <aton`>	hi
[17:49:45] <aton`>	is it possible to make a table cell colspan=2 ?
[17:50:49] <Wuzur|rhn>	| colspan="2" | content
[17:53:42] <aton`>	thanks
[18:09:57] <Mike_lifeguard>	ssfel: Did you figure everything out ok?
[18:13:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Error message on double-protected MediaWiki namespace pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13187  (10AlexSm)
[18:14:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) {{int:X}} respects user-defined interface language, breaking link tables etc. (aka {{USERIFCODE}} strikes back) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14404  (10chrisipk)
[18:24:08] <CIA-8>	03demon * r44240 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/FileRepo.php: Same as before, hardcoding Image: is safer.
[18:38:29] <bluud>	Hello, i promise I already tried to look for this in google for quiet some time..
[18:39:04] <bluud>	I have a wiki (mediawiki) for personal use, i want to share a specific area of that wiki with a friend.. so that he can only see and edit that area.. is this possible?
[18:39:37] <bluud>	for example.. area2:whatever can be see/edited by me and a friend, and the rest only by me.. i would really apreciate any help on this. tks
[18:52:34] <luna6>	bluud you could do this with group policies
[18:53:03] <luna6>	administrator / sysop edits all pages only....and the page you want your friend to edit....give him a group etc
[18:56:57] <HardDisk_WP>	Splarka, ping
[18:57:55] <bluud>	luna6, tks , i'll do some research on that then.
[18:59:10] <^demon>	We got a hot music program for Mike's iMac.
[18:59:48] <^demon>	Wow, wrong window. Everyone completely discard that.
[19:01:35] <Splarka>	HardDisk_WP: rar
[19:02:04] *^demon 	rar's Splarka.
[19:02:08] <Splarka>	quite surprising to be yelled at by a bot for simply typing in the channel
[19:02:19] <Splarka>	^ like that
[19:02:54] <HardDisk_WP>	Strange.
[19:03:08] <Splarka>	<unilinky> Error: You are not my owner.
[19:03:13] <Splarka>	heh
[19:03:47] <HardDisk_WP>	Uh
[19:04:15] <HardDisk_WP>	Actually, what you describe should't be possible in any way
[19:04:25] <Splarka>	start a sentence with quit
[19:04:59] <marco>	quitter test
[19:05:07] <marco>	Splarka, you're right
[19:05:16] <Splarka>	I usually am
[19:05:27] *Splarka 	hides
[19:05:33] <marco>	1228417499 :: #mediawiki :: marco :: core_ext::quit auth fail :: quitter test
[19:05:44] <marco>	for hell, this hook isn't flagged C
[19:05:53] <Splarka>	I didn't even notice unilinky was here, how long has it been in this chan?
[19:05:55] <Splarka>	[[Foo]]
[19:06:03] <Splarka>	does it do anything here?
[19:06:09] <marco>	Splarka, ages, nearly since its beginning
[19:06:19] <marco>	yeah, primary filling the seen-database
[19:06:23] <marco>	seen test
[19:06:44] <marco>	hm, unilinky doesnt react on that, as it is supposed
[19:07:05] <marco>	<unilinky> Class: core_ext Hook: quit RegExp: quit Flags: QO
[19:07:06] <Splarka>	well, that's annoying to have common keyphrase triggers in open chan anyway, heh
[19:07:13] *Splarka 	gives the bot a cookie for ignoring
[19:07:18] <marco>	yeah, i'll look into it
[19:07:31] <marco>	i think i'll have that shit fixed till sunday
[19:07:41] <marco>	but won't fix it today, I write exam tomorrow
[19:07:43] *Splarka 	shrugs
[19:07:46] <marco>	thanks for the bug report!
[19:07:49] <Splarka>	as long as I can start a sentence
[19:08:00] <marco>	^^
[19:08:01] <Splarka>	hmm, it triggered on a command meant for mwbot the other day
[19:08:40] <Splarka>	!tell | test
[19:08:40] --mwbot--	test: I don't know anything about "tell".
[19:08:40] <unilinky>	This factoid does not exist.
[19:09:08] <Splarka>	(or maybe it just happens to be a command both bots had briefly)
[19:09:22] <marco>	?
[19:09:24] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) $wgUseCategoryBrowser = true create trailing '>' and add an unwanted category - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1622  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[19:09:41] <Splarka>	is !tell a unilinky thinky?
[19:09:44] <marco>	yes
[19:09:51] <Splarka>	ahh, splains it
[19:10:01] <marco>	it's got factoids
[19:10:20] <marco>	should i disable 'em for here?
[19:10:39] <^demon>	Whoo old bug.
[19:10:48] <Splarka>	I think there's a way to disable commands for mwbot, but I forget
[19:10:48] <marco>	^demon, ?
[19:10:56] <marco>	Splarka, np, i'll disable it
[19:11:07] <Splarka>	marco: you should have amidaniel have mwbot ignore all the commands that unilinky has dibs on
[19:11:17] <Splarka>	then you don't get stereo
[19:11:31] <marco>	what are them?
[19:11:47] <marco>	unilinky just knows !tell, !cowsay and the [[xx]]
[19:11:53] <Splarka>	and quit ^_^
[19:12:05] <marco>	partting
[19:12:07] <marco>	hm
[19:12:17] <marco>	part has same command definition and flags as quit
[19:12:25] <marco>	so why does it react on quit, then?!
[19:12:28] <Splarka>	!tell
[19:12:28] --mwbot--	
[19:12:28] <unilinky>	This factoid does not exist.
[19:12:31] <^demon>	marco: Not this, bugzilla.
[19:12:39] <Splarka>	okay, you just define a null keyword
[19:12:43] <Splarka>	!cosway is
[19:12:43] --mwbot--	Successfully added keyword: cosway
[19:12:48] <Splarka>	er
[19:12:51] <marco>	DONT DO IT
[19:12:53] <marco>	NO
[19:12:55] <Splarka>	k
[19:13:05] <marco>	please, run it in query first
[19:13:11] <Splarka>	why does it exist if it isn't to be used?
[19:13:28] <Splarka>	anyway, mwbot should ignore those two now
[19:13:38] <marco>	it actually is for another channel, but I accidentally switched it on for all
[19:13:44] <Splarka>	heh
[19:13:51] <Splarka>	beans
[19:14:07] <marco>	Splarka, try it in query, simply /msg unilinky cowsay test
[19:14:40] <Splarka>	heh
[19:14:58] <Splarka>	nice
[19:15:54] <Splarka>	brb
[19:24:48] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) wgUseCategoryBrowser mode (Category browser) generates invalid XHTML nesting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12408  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[19:27:00] <jamesba_>	hi, anyone know how to delete all pages made by a particular user? I have access to the SQL database, but not much knowledge of SQL
[19:28:05] <jamesba_>	sorry to just barge in with a question, but I have an attack of the spambots ;)
[19:30:54] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Nuke
[19:37:06] <MrHappy>	Hi, I have a question about Special:RecentChanges&feed=atom, can you change the config to only show the past 24hrs
[19:43:00] <MinuteElectron>	ialex: When you have a moment could we talk in PM?
[19:43:12] <ialex>	MinuteElectron: now if you want
[19:43:17] <MinuteElectron>	thanks
[20:04:01] <shervinafshar>	Hi...I've read the Upload config manual and have done all the needed changes, but still while trying to upload an error message appears that says "the upload directory (public) is not writable by the webserver". The "images" directory is 755. But I'm in doubt about the ownership. Any idea?
[20:27:19] <RingtailedFox>	well, i have tidy enabled and i still get "dirty" HTML
[20:32:24] <Astemd>	question: is it possible to make link of mms:// URL?
[20:33:25] <Astemd>	http:// works, but mms:// not
[20:36:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add Revision Diff functionality to API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13209  (10matthew.britton)
[20:36:59] <ialex>	!wg UrlProtocols | Astemd
[20:36:59] --mwbot--	Astemd: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUrlProtocols
[20:37:27] <RingtailedFox>	http://wiki.mobianlegends.com/wiki/Sandbox doesn't work, but if the code is copied to english wikipedia, it works nicely
[20:37:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add Revision Diff functionality to API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13209  (10matthew.britton)
[20:38:47] <Astemd>	ialex: thanks, will file a bug
[20:42:14] <TheBeast>	is there a way of setting up mediawiki accounts with a temporary password?
[20:42:40] <TheBeast>	lets say they log in using their username and password 123 but then they get prompted to change it during their very first login
[20:59:25] <RingtailedFox>	why do tables fail to work?
[21:12:03] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) mms protocol as URL on hr wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16566 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (stem)
[21:13:15] <Astemd>	ialex: bug filed :-)
[21:14:03] <ialex>	Astemd: if it's specific to Wikimedia wikis, add the "shell" keyword
[21:14:04] <ialex>	;)
[21:14:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) mms protocol as URL on hr wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16566   +shell (10sam)
[21:15:02] <Astemd>	hehe
[21:15:06] *Reedy 	was bored :P
[21:15:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) mms protocol as URL on hr wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16566  (10sam)
[21:15:28] <Astemd>	faaaaaaaaaaast ;-)
[21:16:33] <RingtailedFox>	reedy: if you want, you could help me with a tidy issue i was trying to fix last night
[21:16:51] <Reedy>	i've not done anything with html tidy before
[21:16:51] <Reedy>	but sure
[21:17:10] <RingtailedFox>	ok
[21:17:23] <RingtailedFox>	http://wiki.mobianlegends.com/wiki/Sandbox
[21:17:28] <RingtailedFox>	see how all the tables look broken?
[21:17:34] <RingtailedFox>	copy them into english wikipedia, and they work perfeclty
[21:17:38] <RingtailedFox>	perfectly, i mean
[21:17:40] <RingtailedFox>	why is this?
[21:17:49] <sherrod>	hi guys
[21:19:41] <RingtailedFox>	hi
[21:20:58] <Reedy>	that cant be a html tidy issue
[21:21:02] <sherrod>	Is anyone here using the SocialProfile extension?
[21:21:20] <RingtailedFox>	what could it be?
[21:21:30] <Reedy>	hang on
[21:26:49] <RingtailedFox>	reedy: no clue on why my tables are wonky?
[21:26:59] <Reedy>	nothing obvious at least
[21:28:46] <puck>	I have a MediaWiki extension where I'm using templates in it, on 1.11.99 it works fine, but on a 1.12.0 the templates aren't rendered, so the template name (lie {{AddressbookListHeader}}) is appearing in the page.
[21:28:55] <puck>	Any suggestions on likely causes?
[21:29:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Why not clicking icons in "Login successful" jump to main page of project - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16563  -schema-change ; +comment (10soxred93)
[21:32:36] *ialex 	pokes CIA-8
[21:33:46] *Reedy 	kills CIA-8
[21:33:47] *CIA-8 	dies
[21:33:50] <Reedy>	its alive
[21:33:53] <Reedy>	but not reporting then
[21:33:58] <puck>	Ahh, I've just been told in RL that the parser engine has completely changed.  Damn.
[21:34:40] <Reedy>	that'd sound feasiable ;)
[21:48:51] <puck>	Is there a function I can call in my extensions to parse a text string as Wiki text and expand any templates contained in that string?
[21:49:48] <xb>	Can someone instruct me on the best way to upload/convert the contents of a spreadsheet to semantic mediawiki
[21:50:36] <Reedy>	puck, the api can do it, so i suspect so
[21:52:51] <ialex>	puck: $wgOut->parse( $wikiText );
[21:53:05] <puck>	ialex:  awesome, thank you
[21:53:07] *puck 	tries
[21:55:11] <puck>	Nope, didn't work.  Off to a meeting, back in a bit
[22:24:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Install extension "Quiz" on sv.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16528  +comment (10jobjorn)
[22:32:32] <CWii>	What's the extenstion that makes useraccount creations show up in a log?
[22:32:39] <CWii>	Can't seem to find it :P
[22:33:14] <Mike_lifeguard>	newuserlog?
[22:33:34] <CWii>	Yeah lol
[22:33:43] <Mike_lifeguard>	but that functionality is in core as of 1.14, I guess
[22:34:01] <CWii>	Ehh, I need it for 1.13
[22:36:15] <CWii>	Well I found it :P
[22:38:14] <werdnum>	 mooooorning all
[22:41:45] <RingtailedFox>	hiya, werdnum
[22:42:02] <werdnum>	morning RingtailedFox 
[22:42:11] <RingtailedFox>	i'm free from distractions tonight so i'll be able to work on HTML Tidy this time.
[22:42:52] <RingtailedFox>	see, when i copy the code from http://wiki.mobianlegends.com/wiki/Sandbox into wikipedia, it works...
[22:43:08] <RingtailedFox>	my software version is 1.13.2
[22:43:33] <werdnum>	I don't know much about Tidy, except what the manual tells me
[22:43:56] <facefaceface>	hi, trying to use MediaWiki::API (perl), anyone familiar?
[22:44:05] <werdnum>	no, sorry
[22:44:14] <facefaceface>	in the docs it says 'move >1.12'
[22:44:25] <facefaceface>	I'm running 1.12.0... so I guess I can't move
[22:44:32] <facefaceface>	action => 'move' that is
[22:44:55] <facefaceface>	I wonder how quickly I can upgrade...
[22:45:47] <Reedy>	doesnt take too long
[22:47:15] <facefaceface>	assuming I can get on the server...
[22:48:00] <Reedy>	heh
[22:48:28] <facefaceface>	its my own fault
[23:02:42] <Prodego>	is there anything separate required to mix HTML and wikicode
[23:02:43] <werdnum>	morning Tim
[23:02:48] <TimStarling>	morning
[23:02:51] <Prodego>	is there anything separate required to mix HTML and wikicode?
[23:02:51] <TimStarling>	did I miss brion?
[23:02:58] <werdnum>	he hasn't been on at all.
[23:03:05] *Prodego 	waves to tim
[23:03:07] <facefaceface>	Prodego: just looking at html2wiki actually
[23:03:09] <TimStarling>	ok
[23:03:09] <werdnum>	I was just reading backscroll looking to see if he'd been around.
[23:03:12] <facefaceface>	(perl module)
[23:03:42] <Prodego>	facefaceface: I am actually talking about something like {|<tr></tr>|}
[23:04:05] <facefaceface>	Prodego: I dont' think its a problem, but I'm not expert
[23:04:13] <Prodego>	it should work
[23:04:30] <facefaceface>	looks neat
[23:04:41] <facefaceface>	is there a wiki bot to try it out on?
[23:04:41] <Prodego>	the question is do you need to set anything / could you do it in MW 1.13.2
[23:05:02] <facefaceface>	Prodego: try
[23:05:26] <Prodego>	you can pretty safely bet I wouldn't be here if I hadn't tried and it hadn't worked :)
[23:05:50] <facefaceface>	Prodego: I'v just come from #ubuntu
[23:05:53] <facefaceface>	;-)
[23:08:08] <facefaceface>	MediaWiki::API is causing me pain "Odd number of elements in hash assignment at /usr/share/perl5/HTTP/Message.pm line 162"
[23:08:45] <facefaceface>	now trying to put a page (gave up on move until I can upgrade the server)
[23:09:37] <facefaceface>	what version of the API allows you to put? action => 'edit',
[23:09:53] <Reedy>	writeapi?
[23:10:11] <Reedy>	needs to be enabled, some svn ver > last release IIRC
[23:11:11] <facefaceface>	doh
[23:11:13] <facefaceface>	your right
[23:11:19] <facefaceface>	and I can't get on the server...
[23:11:27] <facefaceface>	gah... I must have been testing this elsewhere
[23:11:51] <facefaceface>	Reedy: can I check the config somehow? (withoug looking at LocalSettings.php)
[23:11:59] <Reedy>	errm
[23:12:16] <Reedy>	(it wont be enabled i wouldnt have thought
[23:12:17] <Reedy>	)
[23:12:29] <facefaceface>	Reedy: yeah, but I remember enabling it somewhere
[23:12:37] <Reedy>	i dont think you can
[23:12:39] <facefaceface>	prolly on the server at work
[23:12:51] <Reedy>	atually
[23:12:56] <Reedy>	facefaceface, view source of a page
[23:12:56] <Reedy>			var wgEnableAPI = true;
[23:12:57] <Reedy>			var wgEnableWriteAPI = true;
[23:13:01] <facefaceface>	Reedy: at work its a local server, I'm trying to do it on a hosting server
[23:13:14] <facefaceface>	ohhh... clever
[23:13:50] <facefaceface>	var wgEnableAPI = true;
[23:13:51] <facefaceface>	var wgEnableWriteAPI = false;
[23:13:56] <facefaceface>	heh
[23:14:15] <facefaceface>	thanks for help Reedy, i'll just have to wait for the admin to get back to me with a login
[23:14:18] <Reedy>	heh
[23:14:19] <Reedy>	nnp
[23:14:22] <facefaceface>	hrm that reminds meee...
[23:16:05] <werdnum>	Hmm, no Aaron either.
[23:16:23] <werdnum>	Surely these Americans have had their fair share of holidays recently, so it must be something else.
[23:20:36] <Charitwo>	werdnum: it's finals season in america 
[23:20:56] <facefaceface>	heh
[23:21:04] <facefaceface>	funny how IRC goes down for htat
[23:21:05] <facefaceface>	that
[23:21:08] <facefaceface>	night
[23:21:15] <werdnum>	oh, and Aaron is at school
[23:21:24] <werdnum>	that makes sense :)
[23:40:49] <puck>	hmmm...  $wgOut->parse( $wikiText ); doesn't seem to expand templates.
[23:44:24] <TimStarling>	yes it does
[23:45:54] <puck>	doh, I still had a return from my original version of the code.
[23:46:11] <the|Navigator>	I just set up a mediawiki, and am trying to access it from browsers on remote machines.  Fx3 is fine, but using IE6, the wgLogo is not there, it blinks then disappears.  Ideas?
[23:50:58] <ZWAndo>	How do you get links to the other language versions of articles to be displayed in the sidebar? I've looked all throughout the MediaWiki manual and I can't find anything other than how to set up prefixes.
[23:51:58] <puck>	If my template has html in it, can I tell $wgOut->parse to leave it alone?  Much like "noparse" => false?
[23:53:42] <werdnum>	What exactly are you trying to do?
[23:56:05] <puck>	Ah, it turned out my template had a newline in the wrong place.