[00:00:09] <TimStarling>	ZWAndo: have you tried the FAQ?
[00:00:15] <TimStarling>	I think I wrote an FAQ entry about that once
[00:01:53] <ZWAndo>	The only mentions of "Sidebar" in the FAQ deal with simple modification of the sidebar (adding a regular interwiki link and such).
[00:02:00] <ZWAndo>	I might have missed it, though
[00:02:17] <TimStarling>	it was probably in the old FAQ
[00:02:52] <TimStarling>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_FAQ#How_do_I_make_interlanguage_links_work.2C_like_they_do_on_Wikipedia.3F
[00:03:04] <ZWAndo>	Ohhhhh
[00:03:06] <ZWAndo>	Wow
[00:03:14] <ZWAndo>	I feel stupid now. :P Thank you very much.
[00:05:46] <werdnum>	hmm, I was thinking of getting a PHP/MySQL reference book, but it's all online anyway.
[00:05:54] <werdnum>	I have a $200 book voucher to spend by the end of the month.
[00:06:50] <ZWAndo>	Wait, this doesn't seem to show how to get the links to display on the sidebar.
[00:07:09] <ZWAndo>	It mentions the sidebar, but I only see the prefix-creation procedure.
[00:07:33] <TimStarling>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_FAQ#I_tried_that_but_it_didn.27t_work
[00:08:07] <werdnum>	Um, doesn't a certain field have to be true in the interwiki table?
[00:09:55] <ZWAndo>	So if the three steps in that first guide are taken, the sidebar information will automatically be generated?
[00:10:39] <ZWAndo>	Er, rather, the section of the sidebar that displays the languages will be auto-genned.
[00:12:55] <TimStarling>	yes
[00:12:56] <RingtailedFox>	when i upgrade mediawiki software, am i able to keep localsettings.php the same?
[00:13:06] <ZWAndo>	Ooh, wow, okay then. Thank ye.
[00:13:13] <TimStarling>	sorry, the "tried that but it didn't work" FAQ only works when you actually try it
[00:13:20] <werdnum>	RingtailedFox: yes.
[00:13:24] <RingtailedFox>	ok
[00:14:13] <werdnum>	includes/parser/Parser.php:                             if( $iw && $this->mOptions->getInterwikiMagic() && $nottalk && $wgContLang->getLanguageName( $iw ) ) {
[00:14:22] <werdnum>	oh I see, that's how it figures it out.
[00:14:27] <werdnum>	If the interwiki prefix is a language code.
[00:14:29] <werdnum>	Interesting.
[00:25:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special: Allpages for namespace 0 sometimes shows project namespace pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16514   +shell; +comment (10lejonel)
[00:34:43] <lch>	if I imported only the most recent version of an article from another Wiki's Export, can I import the previous revisions of that article later, too?
[00:35:52] <TimStarling>	yes
[00:36:08] <TimStarling>	just import all revisions, duplicates are removed
[00:44:31] <the|Navigator>	Is it possible to bulk-create mediawiki accounts?
[00:52:50] <lch>	thanks TimStarling 
[00:53:08] <lch>	I've been asking this question a dozen times before :)
[00:54:23] <lch>	just in case - what happens when the article in question has already been deleted on the wiki that I want to import it into?
[00:58:07] <TimStarling>	nothing special
[00:59:12] <lch>	well, does it stay deleted or is it created anew?
[01:02:26] <TimStarling>	both
[01:02:38] <TimStarling>	same as if you recreated it manually
[01:02:54] <TimStarling>	the deleted revisions stay deleted, and the new revisions are created
[01:03:23] <TimStarling>	you can later undelete the deleted revisions, in which case you could get duplicates in the history
[01:06:49] <lch>	ah, ic
[01:07:04] <lch>	are the revisions applied by timestamp?
[01:07:25] <lch>	if there were revisions on the new wiki that conflicted / were later than revisions on the old wiki
[01:08:23] <TimStarling>	all non-duplicate revisions will be imported
[01:08:25] <lch>	and possibly my last question... what if the article was moved somewhere else on the to-be-imported-on wiki ?
[01:08:35] <TimStarling>	the history will show the revisions ordered by timestamp
[01:08:41] <TimStarling>	regardless of import order
[01:09:18] <TimStarling>	if the article is moved, nothing special happens there either
[01:09:26] <TimStarling>	the import is by title, not by page ID
[01:09:32] <lch>	ok
[02:06:40] <puck>	Using $wgOut->parse($text, false) I'm now sometimes getting strings that look like: UNIQ4d7bba0848bd063e-item-0--QINU  is this cache related stuff?  Or something else bizarre?
[02:10:15] <siebrand>	puck: hmm, I've seen that before. Maybe Nikerabbit can tell you what's wrong there, because I think he fixed such a thing in Translate some months ago...
[02:11:18] <puck>	Okay, I've just added some level 2 headings to the same page, and the headers now have similar UNIQ strings as well.
[02:17:00] <puck>	Found the fix: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extensions_FAQ#.22NaodW....22_or_.22UNIQ....22
[02:18:11] <RingtailedFox>	i'm having a configuration issue.... tables don't render properly
[02:31:50] <RingtailedFox>	no one here?
[02:32:50] <Prodego>	RingtailedFox: they will be
[02:34:30] <RingtailedFox>	ok
[02:36:24] <RingtailedFox>	i find it shocking that no one knows how anything works with the mediawiki software
[02:36:35] <Prodego>	well... yea
[02:36:43] <Prodego>	if you go to #wikimedia-tech
[02:36:50] <Prodego>	they should know, but it isn't really the topic there
[02:38:37] <yksinaisyyteni>	please, don't direct people there for mediawiki help
[02:38:57] <RingtailedFox>	why not?
[02:39:03] <yksinaisyyteni>	because it's off topic
[02:39:40] <RingtailedFox>	i see
[02:55:53] <rss>	Hi, is there an extension or a way to display a alphabetically sorted list including page title and some part of the content?
[02:59:27] <RingtailedFox>	Special:Allpages?
[03:02:31] <rss>	it doesn't show contents, right?
[03:03:57] <rss>	I want like this: http://glossword.biz/demo/index.php/list/Example+dictionary/1.xhtml
[03:14:27] <RingtailedFox>	does tidy need to be at the VERY beginning of LocalSettings.php?
[03:31:02] <CWii>	Does anyone know how to change the links to the user groups in the User List
[03:32:25] <Splarka>	breath tests for Australian politicians?
[03:33:09] <CWii>	What?
[03:33:18] <Splarka>	CWii: unrelated to your question
[03:33:25] <Splarka>	CWii: [[MediaWiki:grouppage-FOO]] IIRC
[03:33:38] <Splarka>	like> 'grouppage-bureaucrat'    => '{{ns:project}}:Bureaucrats',
[03:33:53] <CWii>	Oh okay, And I knew it was unrelated, It was just random :)
[03:34:08] <Splarka>	heh
[03:34:52] <Splarka>	http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7764245.stm "Australia MPs 'face breath tests'"
[03:48:23] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Allow getting parsedContent of Pages via API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16567 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: API; (wf)
[04:01:20] <lfaraone>	Hi, how do I allow script includes in $NAMESPACE?
[04:28:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow getting parsedContent of Pages via API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16567  (10wf)
[04:28:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow getting parsedContent of Pages via API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16567  (10wf)
[04:58:47] <TylerInHiFi>	I'm having an issue with infoboxes and I'm wondering if anyone could give me a hand
[05:01:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special: UnwatchedPages should list unwatched pages in the content namespace(s) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16433  (10nakonwiki)
[05:11:46] <FunnyMan3595>	I've got a MW install that appears to be sending password emails fine, but not EnotifUserTalk messages.  Any suggestions on where to look first?
[05:27:26] <nakon>	did you enable $wgEnotifUserTalk in LocalSettings.php and do you have a valid email address set?
[05:32:34] <FunnyMan3595>	nakon: After investigating a little further, it looks like something broke email completely.  It was working, but isn't anymore.
[05:33:13] <FunnyMan3595>	I would have said that there should have been an EnotifUserTalk before the last email that did go out, but maybe not.
[05:34:32] <aja2>	Sorry to interrupt but I have a quick question. Anyone know why the user function saveSettings doesn't do a commit?
[05:36:01] <TimStarling>	it would increase the query count
[05:36:38] <TimStarling>	sorry
[05:37:01] <TimStarling>	I mean because backend functions don't commit transactions unless absolutely necessary
[05:37:28] <TylerInHiFi>	I'm having some troubles with infoboxes and wondering if somebody could give me a hand
[05:37:46] <TimStarling>	the UI layer is generally responsible for transactions, so that an unexpected abort can rollback the entire UI-level operation, rather than just a part of it
[05:38:03] <FunnyMan3595>	It's definitely sending to a good address, and the UNIX "mail" command works fine.
[05:41:52] <FunnyMan3595>	PHP's mail function also seems to be working.
[05:42:32] <TimStarling>	FunnyMan3595: are you using MySQL?
[05:42:41] <FunnyMan3595>	TimStarling: Yes.
[05:43:27] <TimStarling>	is it user talk notification enabled in the target user's preferences?
[05:43:52] <TimStarling>	did you edit the user talk page as the same user that was receiving the notification?
[05:44:10] <FunnyMan3595>	TimStarling: Yes, and as I told nakon, it looks like it's actually a global MW email issue.  Emailuser isn't working either.
[05:44:19] <FunnyMan3595>	And no.
[05:44:50] <FunnyMan3595>	It's also not falling into the spam folder.
[05:45:15] <TimStarling>	but password emails are definitely working?
[05:45:45] <FunnyMan3595>	No.  I was misinterpreting that.
[05:46:06] <TimStarling>	check PHP's sendmail settings
[05:46:12] <TimStarling>	they usually don't work by default
[05:46:36] <FunnyMan3595>	TimStarling: I ran the example from http://www.w3schools.com/PHP/php_mail.asp (after suitable modifications) and it worked.
[05:48:08] <FunnyMan3595>	$wgSMTP is false, so it should be going through that same function...
[05:48:28] <MistaG>	Hrm I just grabbed the newest version of imagemagick (6.4.4.6) and chmod'ed images/thumb to 777, but for some reason whenever it goes to scale svgs it gives me. "Error creating thumbnail: convert: must specify image size." Google's pretty much giving nothing. Anyone else see anything like this? Is there an older version of imagemagick I'm supposed to be using? 
[05:49:41] <FunnyMan3595>	MistaG: Are other images scaling right?
[05:49:54] <FunnyMan3595>	(e.g. png, jpg, etc.)
[05:50:11] <MistaG>	Let me quickly drop one in and see.
[05:51:06] <FunnyMan3595>	Wouldn't surprise me if SVGs had to be handled specially, since they need to be rendered, not scaled.
[05:52:05] <MistaG>	Bottom line though wikipedia's using svg's all over the place and they're scaling no problem.
[05:52:23] <FunnyMan3595>	MistaG: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/SVG
[05:52:33] <TylerInHiFi>	Can anybody tell me why my infoboxes are giving me this result: www.inhifi.com/wiki/index.php/Test
[05:52:49] <MistaG>	FunnyMan3595: Promising!
[05:52:57] <MistaG>	And yep scaled no problem.
[05:53:06] <MistaG>	Dang vector graphics!
[05:53:42] <FunnyMan3595>	TylerInHiFi: Looks like you're missing the extension that handles {{#if}} stuff.  ParserFunctions, I think...
[05:54:16] <TylerInHiFi>	I think you just made my day
[05:54:20] <FunnyMan3595>	TylerInHiFi: Yup.  http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserFunctions
[05:54:57] <TylerInHiFi>	Thanks guys, big help
[05:55:17] <FunnyMan3595>	TimStarling: Any other brilliant ideas for what stupid mistake I might have made?
[05:56:47] <FunnyMan3595>	I don't doubt that it is one, it's just that there are so many places I could have made it...
[05:57:21] <aja2by2>	Hello again. Still hoping for some suggestions about user.php and why there's no commit as part of saveSettings
[05:57:52] <FunnyMan3595>	aja2by2: Probably because it's not critical that all the updates happen.
[05:58:29] <FunnyMan3595>	aja2by2: Anything that doesn't need to be atomic shouldn't be, because making it atomic takes resources.
[06:02:56] <FunnyMan3595>	TimStarling: You're just ignoring me so that I stick around and answer everybody else's questions, aren't you?  ;)
[06:03:34] <aja2by2>	Makes sense but there are quite a few comments in user.php that tell people to call saveSettings to commit the changes
[06:03:53] *Splarka 	resembles that remark
[06:03:55] <FunnyMan3595>	aja2by2: "commit" as in save.
[06:06:23] <Splarka>	RingtailedFox is starting to answer other people's questions, while waiting for his tidy answer/solution/help
[06:07:18] <RingtailedFox>	hm?
[06:07:20] <FunnyMan3595>	aja2by2: As opposed to the database's "commit" as in transaction.
[06:07:22] <RingtailedFox>	i think it's a configuration issue, becuase i never did get an answer
[06:07:22] <Splarka>	RingtailedFox: people that come here and don't get help often get stuck giving help to others
[06:07:23] <aja2by2>	"the comments are like this:"
[06:07:23] <FunnyMan3595>	It's the curse of competence.
[06:07:23] <RingtailedFox>	well, no one has an answer to my problem, either
[06:07:23] <FunnyMan3595>	Those who have a clue give it to those who don't.
[06:07:23] <aja2by2>	* Call saveSettings() after calling this function to commit
[06:07:24] <aja2by2>		 * this change to the database.
[06:07:24] <Splarka>	because 20 people come in a day and ask "what do I need to parse #if" "why is wgLogo = 'foobar.gif' failing on edit" "can I have per-page read restrictions"
[06:07:37] <aja2by2>	There is a hook at the end of the saveSettings function
[06:07:39] <Splarka>	because apparently FAQs are out of vogue
[06:07:53] <RingtailedFox>	that assumes they WERE in vogue :P
[06:07:55] <FunnyMan3595>	aja2by2: I think you're looking at two different meanings of "commit" and assuming they're the same.
[06:08:08] <TylerInHiFi>	This is the new result: http://www.inhifi.com/wiki/index.php/Test
[06:08:25] <aja2by2>	wfRunHooks( 'UserSaveSettings', array( $this ) );
[06:08:39] <TylerInHiFi>	I installed ParserFunctions and added the line to LocalSettings.php
[06:08:46] <Splarka>	RingtailedFox: I think your solution is to write your own templates from scratch from what works for your needs. You could have finished by now
[06:08:49] <aja2by2>	I guess I should code in a call to commit in a function called by the hook
[06:08:49] <FunnyMan3595>	aja2by2: That comment is using "commit" more or less the way SVN uses it.  Saving a set of changes back to the master copy on the server.
[06:08:49] <RingtailedFox>	i would but the themplates don't work either
[06:08:49] <Splarka>	copying templates from Wikipedia is just hard to do
[06:08:55] <RingtailedFox>	if anyone ever read what i typed, they'd know that
[06:09:02] <FunnyMan3595>	aja2by2: The kind of commit that MySQL uses is completely different, it's a way of ensuring that a set of changes all happen atomically (i.e. all-or-none).
[06:09:11] <aja2by2>	okay now I understand you
[06:09:15] <aja2by2>	it's not necessarily the "database" kind of commit
[06:09:20] <FunnyMan3595>	Right.
[06:09:35] <TylerInHiFi>	anybody?
[06:09:42] <FunnyMan3595>	Splarka: Actually, I'm not anything close to a regular here, I'm just a user who's read a fair amount of the docs and can piece things together.
[06:09:46] <FunnyMan3595>	TylerInHiFi: Looking...
[06:10:27] <Splarka>	FunnyMan3595, " I'm not anything close to a regular here" += " yet"
[06:10:30] <TylerInHiFi>	Also, I used the version of ParserFunctions for the version of MediaWiki that I'm running rather than the default
[06:10:30] <TylerInHiFi>	if that makes a difference
[06:10:30] <TylerInHiFi>	which is 1.13.2
[06:10:31] <FunnyMan3595>	TylerInHiFi: Looks to me like ParserFunctions is working fine now, it's something else failing.
[06:10:31] <Splarka>	*sigh*
[06:10:31] <Splarka>	!tidy | TylerInHiFi
[06:10:31] --mwbot--	TylerInHiFi: Wikimedia uses HTML Tidy, which allows mixed html and wikitables inside parser functions and templates. This can often be confusing for people copying templates from Wikimedia projects. For more information about HTML Tidy, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUseTidy>. Note: RingtailedFox has seen this message a zillion times.
[06:10:31] <Splarka>	oh, bot lagging, fun
[06:10:31] <FunnyMan3595>	Splarka: I take it "tidy" is what's responsible for escaping HTML?
[06:10:31] <aja2by2>	I tried coding in the following in the function that calls $user->saveSettings();
[06:10:31] <Splarka>	it is responsible for not escaping it
[06:10:31] <FunnyMan3595>	More or less the same thing.
[06:10:31] <aja2by2>	$dbw =& wfGetDB( DB_MASTER );
[06:10:31] <aja2by2>	+       $dbw->query('COMMIT');
[06:10:31] <Splarka>	well, as I understand it, and TimStarling could clarify...
[06:10:48] <FunnyMan3595>	Hehe.
[06:10:59] <Splarka>	without htmltidy the Sanitizer.php matches all HTML tags pre-expansion, so all <div> must have a closing </div> in the same template hierarchy
[06:11:13] <Splarka>	but with tidy enabled, it defers that check to tidy which is after expansion
[06:11:22] <FunnyMan3595>	Interesting.
[06:11:32] <Splarka>	so {{div}} foo {{closediv}} can be <div> foo </div>
[06:11:47] <Splarka>	but that is my guess looking at code I don't understand and behavior that changes depending on the weather
[06:12:07] <FunnyMan3595>	Sounds like a reasonable explanation.
[06:12:14] <FunnyMan3595>	It's self-consistent, at any rate.
[06:12:16] <Splarka>	that lets you get away with more tricky stuff, if you have tidy
[06:12:24] <MistaG>	FYI solution is to not use imagemagick. Rsvg is much better.
[06:12:33] <MistaG>	In that it actually works.
[06:13:00] <Splarka>	the problem is, the alternative to html tables, are wikitables, which use pipe characters, which aren't allowed uncovered in parser functions, so if you want a conditional table row it looks like:
[06:13:01] <FunnyMan3595>	MistaG: For SVG, I'd expect so.  Imagemagic is general-purpose, and Rsvg is--to judge by the name--SVG-specific.
[06:13:13] <Splarka>	{{#if:foo|{{!}}- \n{{!}}{{!}}bar }}
[06:13:47] <Splarka>	so wikipedians, who have a working balance of tidy and sanitizer, often take shortcuts by simply using html tables, which become uncopyable for anyone without that harmony
[06:14:00] <FunnyMan3595>	Yeah, see, this is why I didn't copy {{Infobox}} for my wiki, I copied a simpler example from the Dwarf Fortress wiki.
[06:14:04] <Splarka>	it is rather frustrating :/
[06:14:11] <TylerInHiFi>	I think I'm understanding
[06:14:37] <Splarka>	the solution I've always followed is to convert the infoboxes to not rely on Tidy (usually possible as long as the affected objects are tables, and not other html elements)
[06:14:42] <Splarka>	but this is very time consuming
[06:14:53] <FunnyMan3595>	I took one look at {{Infobox}} and decided that it was too complex to deal with.
[06:15:11] <FunnyMan3595>	I don't need a Swiss army chainsaw.
[06:15:12] <Splarka>	<table>{{#if:condition|<tr><td>foo</td></tr>}}<tr...  because several lines of {{!}} and such
[06:15:16] <Splarka>	^becomes
[06:16:02] <TylerInHiFi>	The infobox template that I copied from wikipedia is full of lazy corner-cutting assuming that Tidy will be in use
[06:16:03] <TylerInHiFi>	?
[06:16:16] <Splarka>	that is what it looks like, yes
[06:16:31] <Splarka>	especially with your symptom being lots of escaped table tagness
[06:16:44] <FunnyMan3595>	More like they've taken shortcuts that are available because they've got those.
[06:17:02] <FunnyMan3595>	Because sometimes it's easier to do things by hand.
[06:17:08] <TylerInHiFi>	I think that's what I was trying to say, I'm just having a bit of a retard day today
[06:17:37] <FunnyMan3595>	TylerInHiFi: We said basically the same thing, but I [[Assumed Good Faith]].
[06:17:45] <Splarka>	Tim: pretty please could some bug monday in the future be dedicated to making the tidy-less behavior of HTML on various template depths work the same as with tidy? I am not saying replicate the behavior of tidy, but just have the sanitizer's tag pairing system check post-expansion? or is that not really possible without making it completely separate from the whitelist checkings?
[06:19:21] <FunnyMan3595>	(okay, technically, that should be [[WP:AGF|Assumed Good Faith]], but who's looking?)
[06:19:46] <Splarka>	pedanterasts are looking
[06:20:00] <Splarka>	and they'd say we're on the channel for mediawiki.org, where the link would have to include an interwiki to en.wp
[06:20:01] <FunnyMan3595>	Splarka: "pedants"
[06:20:05] <FunnyMan3595>	:P
[06:20:18] <Splarka>	saing "pedanterasts" is a good way to find them
[06:20:32] *FunnyMan3595 	figured as much.
[06:21:13] <FunnyMan3595>	Easier to assume it was a Wikipedia link, since I don't even remember interwiki syntax right now.
[06:23:19] <Splarka>	bah, *looked it up* [[w:en:WP:AGF]]
[06:23:49] <TylerInHiFi>	Well, thanks for the help, I'm going to go try to wrap my head around writing templates now
[06:23:52] <FunnyMan3595>	And then add the replacement text.  Bleh.
[06:25:37] <Splarka>	personally I like links that do what they say, more than look nice inline
[06:25:54] <Splarka>	I don't have time to wait a fraction of a second for the tooltip, or un-F11 for the status bar
[06:26:30] <FunnyMan3595>	Splarka: But the messy one is far harder to interpret.  If you've seen the article before, you'll recognize what the name is referring to.
[06:34:52] <Solarfish>	have just upgraded to 1.13.2, no error messages, but can't browse the site, can anyone help?
[06:51:45] <MZMcBride>	!
[06:53:46] <Charitwo>	hey MZMcBride what was up with that guy blocking you, sounds like a lack of AGF to me tbh
[06:53:54] <Splarka>	%3F
[06:54:08] <MZMcBride>	Heh. Yeah, he apparently didn't realize I was running a script.
[06:54:20] <MZMcBride>	Or something. He's an ancient, ancient admin.
[06:54:26] <Charitwo>	like with MASS protect amirite
[06:54:44] <MZMcBride>	Took me five minutes to finally find his promotion details.
[06:54:50] <MZMcBride>	All of two people voted.
[06:55:06] <Splarka>	omg stalker
[06:55:14] <Charitwo>	if I were you I would have RFC'd him
[06:55:32] <Splarka>	when a police officer walks up to you in the street to yell at you for no reason, you probably ask for his badge number!
[06:55:42] <Splarka>	damn uppity sheeple
[06:55:59] <Charitwo>	splarka, i'd like you see your javascript credentials with a notary signature
[06:56:52] <Splarka>	hmm, I have a notary stamp, from some county in Nevada
[06:56:57] *Splarka 	tries to stamp his monitor
[06:57:26] <Charitwo>	that reminds me of the joke about "shaving your monitor" because it was appearing "fuzzy"
[06:58:47] <MZMcBride>	Over a silly block?
[06:58:59] <MZMcBride>	My block log is pretty long. I don't really care.
[06:59:33] <Splarka>	that's what '''she''' said
[07:00:22] <Charitwo>	well, it was pretty inappropriate tbh.
[07:03:23] *MZMcBride 	shrugs. I think it's the third (fourth?) block like it. I got upset the first time. CBF the others.
[07:04:05] <Splarka>	maybe you need a feature... MediaWiki:Blocknote-MZMcBride
[07:04:12] <Splarka>	could work for IP/ranges too, heh
[07:04:27] <MZMcBride>	I hacked the protection form recently for an admin user talk page...
[07:04:45] <MZMcBride>	But I don't see a real need for me. I get blocked, it gets reversed, I restart the script.
[07:05:34] <Splarka>	the admins need to throw you an intervention for your addiction to deleting pages that you feel don't have a right to exist
[07:06:20] <Charitwo>	[[Deletionist]]
[07:07:16] <Charitwo>	i like deleting not needed things either, its nice to remove clutter that serves no purpose or holds no retention value
[07:09:15] <Splarka>	it is placebic action, it doesn't remove clutter, it isn't any less retained
[07:09:23] <Splarka>	it maybe saves bandwidth....
[07:09:56] <Splarka>	and maybe time, if you're aimlessly looking for something in those namespaces
[07:09:59] <Dantman>	Not really, MW still serves up entire "this page does not exist" pages
[07:10:20] <Splarka>	Dan: but people aren't visiting those pages as much
[07:10:23] <Dantman>	^_^ Which really, is bigger than some stubs
[07:10:23] <Splarka>	especially when they're red links
[07:10:26] <Charitwo>	it's something to do, but some schmuck might say that effort might be better put to MAINSPACE WRITING 
[07:10:42] <Splarka>	I don't click talk pages that are red, unless I wanna say something
[07:10:57] <Splarka>	[[AntiMetaist]]
[07:11:09] <Splarka>	without the non-mainspace trolls, the mainspace bridges would fall
[07:12:36] <Charitwo>	'''Oppose''': Liek u haz lotsa werk in admonz related areaz but u dun rite in teh mainspace so no mop 4 u
[07:18:42] <MZMcSad>	Splarka: Part of a living wiki is deleting pages.
[07:18:57] <MZMcSad>	As important as one thousand User: pages that say "hi" are, they can go.
[07:20:30] <Mathieu1>	hi all
[07:21:32] <Mathieu1>	trying to hide the main page page title... any idea which file i should add this: body.page-Main_Page h1.firstHeading { display:none; } 
[07:21:45] <Mathieu1>	please?
[07:22:57] <Mathieu1>	tried monobook/main.css but it's not working
[07:24:01] <Charitwo>	hai wikibugs 
[07:24:25] <Charitwo>	why doesn't wikibugs have an i:line
[07:24:50] <Charitwo>	well it would help if it was registered, heh
[07:25:36] <Mathieu1>	Does anyone know where to find a file called MediaWiki:Common.css ?
[07:25:53] <Charitwo>	you just type it in the search bar and either edit or create it
[07:26:14] <Splarka>	it isn't a file, it is a page
[07:26:22] <Charitwo>	http://yourdomain.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css , http://yourdomain.com/wiki/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.css , etc
[07:26:40] <MZMcSad>	Naming the directory 'wiki' is usually a bad idea.
[07:27:05] <Charitwo>	how so? 
[07:27:21] *Splarka 	corrects MZM...(again)...
[07:27:24] <Mathieu1>	MZMcSad: I named it /w and shorter my urls toward a virtual /wiki
[07:27:34] <MZMcSad>	Mathieu1: :-)
[07:27:38] <Splarka>	having the same script path and article path is a bad idea, but not as bad as having them both null
[07:28:03] <MZMcSad>	Who's the pedant again?
[07:28:23] <Splarka>	you, which is why I know you want to get it right
[07:28:44] <Splarka>	/wiki is fine for a script path, if you have an article path like /cheeseburger
[07:29:02] <Charitwo>	mmm, burger
[07:29:38] <Mathieu1>	Splarka: should I edit the page :common.css if I want to hide my main page title? doesn't sound right to me but I might be wrong
[07:29:39] *MZMcSad 	uses wiki.domain.com/page_title just to be a rebel.
[07:29:39] <Splarka>	can has?
[07:29:55] <MZMcSad>	Mathieu1: Heh. 
[07:30:05] <Splarka>	!css
[07:30:05] --mwbot--	To change styles for your wiki, go to one of the MediaWiki:xxx.css wiki page and put your custom styles there (sysop/admin rights required). MediaWiki:common.css is for all skins and should be used for content styles. MediaWiki:monobook.css is for the MonoBook skin (default), etc. For more information, see !skins and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skin_configuration>
[07:30:11] <MZMcSad>	MediaWiki:Common.css applies to all pages.
[07:30:18] <Splarka>	bah
[07:30:21] *Splarka 	fix that
[07:31:08] <Splarka>	(MediaWiki:common.css wouldn't work well on wiktionary, heh)
[07:31:16] <Splarka>	!css
[07:31:16] --mwbot--	To change styles for your wiki, go to one of the MediaWiki:xxx.css wiki page (NOT a file) and put your custom styles there (sysop/admin rights required). MediaWiki:Common.css is for all skins and should be used for content styles. MediaWiki:Monobook.css is for the MonoBook skin (default), etc. For more information, see !skins and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skin_configuration>
[07:31:49] *Splarka 	cues pedanterasts to go fix it more, but please do it privately or in mwbot
[07:31:59] *Splarka 	grins at MZM
[07:32:09] <Mathieu1>	umm.. can't find this common.css page in any directories. Is it in the skin folder?
[07:32:28] <Mathieu1>	i might mix up folder and directories
[07:32:33] <MZMcSad>	It's a wiki page.
[07:32:37] <Splarka>	it is not a file
[07:32:47] <Splarka>	you will never find it, unless you scrape the SQL database
[07:33:01] <Splarka>	it is a page, on your wiki, that gets included in all regular pageloads as a CSS sheet
[07:33:08] <Splarka>	(no, that isn't a tautology)
[07:33:15] <Mathieu1>	So is that right to add: body.page-Main_Page h1.firstHeading { display:none; } 
[07:33:21] <Mathieu1>	to the wiki page?
[07:33:42] <Mathieu1>	I'll try that
[07:33:47] <MZMcSad>	If your Main Page is named "Main Page", yes.
[07:34:01] <Splarka>	right, but the page you add it to has to be very exactly named..  [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] (and enabled, but it is by default)
[07:35:44] <Mathieu1>	I added it to: http://en.domain.com/wiki/domain:Common.css and but doesn't work
[07:36:16] <Mathieu1>	i think having a subdomain tough things up a little
[07:36:32] <FunnyMan3595>	Splarka, TimStarling: Bah, I finally managed to track down the problem.  The email forward I was using was silently dropping the message, then abruptly started letting it through, for no apparent reason.  Wandering off to bug them about that.
[07:37:03] <Splarka>	ahh, but you've been here more than 2 hours, so now you're stuck helping others
[07:37:33] <Splarka>	Mathieu1: wrong namespace
[07:37:39] <Splarka>	the namespace is literally MediaWiki:
[07:37:40] <FunnyMan3595>	Nooooooo!  The curse of competence strikes again!
[07:37:51] <Mathieu1>	oh! i thought that was an example
[07:37:52] <Splarka>	no matter your domain
[07:38:09] <Splarka>	well, that would be for a project namespace, but then we'd use Project:...
[07:38:30] <Splarka>	Mathieu1: view a page source, look for a <link> or <style> including MediaWiki:Common.css
[07:39:12] <FunnyMan3595>	Hey, while I'm here...  I tried setting up an alias for the main namespace, but it wasn't working.  Is there some special trick, does that just not work, or did I screw up?
[07:40:52] <Splarka>	what, like this? $wgNamespaceAliases => array('SOMETHING' => NS_MAIN)
[07:40:57] <Splarka>	that sounds weird
[07:41:28] <FunnyMan3595>	Yeah.
[07:41:57] <FunnyMan3595>	I tried using the alias, and it just acted like it didn't exist.
[07:41:57] <Splarka>	does it work for other namespaces?
[07:42:19] <FunnyMan3595>	Yup.
[07:42:36] <Mathieu1>	Splarka: I found it and added the code, I also purged the cache, but doesn't work :(
[07:42:47] <FunnyMan3595>	I seem to attract bizarre behavior like some kind of strangeness magnet.
[07:42:49] <Splarka>	Mathieu1: can you link to your wiki?
[07:43:03] <Splarka>	Funny: rubbing yourself with charged coils doesn't help
[07:43:27] <FunnyMan3595>	Splarka: No charged coils, but there is a cat laying on my chest.  Could that do it?
[07:43:32] <Mathieu1>	can't it's in beta and locked :( sorry
[07:43:53] <Mathieu1>	i'll try again
[07:44:26] <Mathieu1>	poor cat :(
[07:44:29] <Splarka>	Mathieu1: 1.13?
[07:44:32] <FunnyMan3595>	Yes, kitty, I love you too, but you're a lousy window.
[07:44:33] <Mathieu1>	yep
[07:44:54] <Splarka>	can you find the <link> in source loading your Common.css ?
[07:45:03] <FunnyMan3595>	Mathieu1: Are you kidding?  She's drinking this up.
[07:45:08] <Splarka>	and paste it here, that is
[07:45:35] <Splarka>	cats cause static electricity, which is magnetism to balloons, which are weird
[07:46:19] <Mathieu1>	Splarka: w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.css
[07:47:13] <Splarka>	with &action=raw &ctype=text/css and other parameters as well? and &amp; of course
[07:47:38] <Splarka>	is that page accessable to your browser? and when you go to it directly (changing &amp; to & if necessary) do you see the stylesheet?
[07:47:38] <Mathieu1>	Splarka: if you put one of those blowing balloon on your cat, s/he may die because of this static electricity. no kidding.
[07:48:07] <Splarka>	most cats are wary to afraid of balloons anyway
[07:48:07] <Mathieu1>	Splarka: w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.css&usemsgcache=yes&action=raw&ctype=text/css&smaxage=18000
[07:48:25] <Mathieu1>	Splarka: w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Monobook.css&usemsgcache=yes&action=raw&ctype=text/css&smaxage=18000
[07:49:35] <Mathieu1>	Splarka: I don't see any of what I added previously. Strange
[07:49:49] <Splarka>	and when you go to w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.css&action=edit
[07:49:53] <Splarka>	are you on the same page you edited before?
[07:50:40] <lch>	I just got an email stating "The MyWiki page MyWiki:Privacy policy has been created on 07:48, 5 December 2008 by WikiSysop", after protecting a page that already existed...
[07:50:58] <Mathieu1>	Splarka: yes and I can see the code I added
[07:51:41] <Splarka>	odd, sounds like cache, or bad path maybe... hmm
[07:51:53] <Splarka>	what is your $wgScriptPath set to?
[07:52:23] <Mathieu1>	it's /w
[07:52:41] <Mathieu1>	should I restart the server just to see?
[07:53:47] <Splarka>	shouldn't matter... sure your browser has been purged? heh
[07:53:59] <Mathieu1>	Splarka: I'll see if there's any change in a minute... meanwhile thank you
[07:54:47] <Mathieu1>	Splarka: didn't change anything
[07:56:03] <Splarka>	very weird, probably something obvious but subtle
[07:56:19] <Mathieu1>	Splarka: I think this subdomain is causing my troubles. My logo doesn't even show up even though it's in the right place
[07:56:34] <Splarka>	try going to /w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.css&usemsgcache=yes&action=raw&ctype=text/css&smaxage=18000 and then try removing one parameter at a time, like smaxage=18000 and then usemsgcache=yes
[07:56:59] <Splarka>	you don't have views and actions on separate subdomains do ya?
[07:57:13] <Splarka>	(what would that be called... action domains?)
[07:57:23] <Mathieu1>	Splarka: I do
[07:57:48] <Mathieu1>	Splarka: So I see the code when I go there: w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.css&usemsgcache=yes&action=raw&ctype=text/css
[07:59:51] <Splarka>	well, you might have to set your scriptpath to a full URL, including domain and protocol
[08:00:09] <Mathieu1>	Splarka: i'll try that
[08:00:12] <Splarka>	wait, you do? odd
[08:00:22] <Mathieu1>	umm..
[08:00:24] <Splarka>	it might be a server-side cache issue then
[08:00:33] <Splarka>	try control-shift-r
[08:00:37] <Mathieu1>	i just restarted my servers
[08:00:43] <Splarka>	or, whatever sends Pragma no-cache 
[08:00:52] <Mathieu1>	YAY!!!
[08:00:58] <Splarka>	you don't wanna have to restart your server every edit though
[08:01:02] <Mathieu1>	that works!
[08:01:49] <Mathieu1>	Splarka: but why didn't that work before even with the ?action=purge
[08:03:35] <Mathieu1>	Splarka: Can I lock the Mediawiki:Common and Mediawiki:Monobook pages so that users don't access it?
[08:04:08] <Splarka>	that namespace isn't editable by default, except by sysops
[08:04:42] <Mathieu1>	Splarka: OK
[08:05:26] <Mathieu1>	Splarka: Well, thanks for your precious help... time to go to sleep here in the fog city.
[08:05:37] <Splarka>	SF?
[08:05:43] <Mathieu1>	yep
[08:05:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Import sources on el.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16551  (10N/A)
[08:05:48] *Charitwo 	fogs Splarka
[08:06:10] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Create a transwiki wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16568 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (crochet.david)
[08:06:15] <Splarka>	you're in mediawiki central, WMF offices (the important ones anyway) are there now ^_^
[08:08:30] <Mathieu1>	Splarka: Do you think it could be possible to visit and potentially do an interview? I manage a tech blog during the day www.atelier-us.com
[08:10:03] <Splarka>	you visit them? no idea, try wikimediafoundation.org for job opportunities
[08:11:03] <Splarka>	oops, unless you mean, like press interview
[08:11:17] <Mathieu1>	Splarka: yes, press interview
[08:11:23] <Splarka>	sorry ^_^
[08:11:42] <Splarka>	http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Staff  I'd contact one of them
[08:11:47] <Mathieu1>	not looking for a job neither :) not yet
[08:12:02] <_wooz>	lo
[08:13:46] <Mathieu1>	Splarka: I might try Brion then. Thanks!
[08:14:20] <Splarka>	he comes here almost daily, you could ask on IRC (during like, norman SF working hours)
[08:14:42] <Splarka>	er, normal, not medieval french
[08:14:54] <Mathieu1>	cool. Would you have his username?
[08:15:20] <Mathieu1>	Splarka: what's medieval french?
[08:15:35] <Mathieu1>	oh. norman! got it :)
[08:15:45] <Splarka>	typojoke
[08:16:00] <Mathieu1>	even better when it's not on purpose
[08:16:02] <Splarka>	his IRC nick is 'brion'
[08:16:14] <Mathieu1>	that's pretty easy to remember
[08:16:33] <Splarka>	except people typo it as brian, brain, brine, broin
[08:16:57] <p858snake>	o.0 i see no point for bug #16568 it would just make it confusing
[08:16:59] <Mathieu1>	that's a pretty unique name though
[08:17:47] <Mathieu1>	Do you guys use twitter? or does mediawiki has a twitter account?
[08:19:26] <Mathieu1>	gosh! can't stay up any longer... gotta go.. g night!
[08:23:13] <Everett>	Can someone point me to the manual page that will allow me as an administrator to receive e-mail every time a page is created or edited?
[08:24:05] <lch>	you don't expect a lot of those, or do you like to be spammed?
[08:24:44] <Splarka>	you might point a third party alert program to watch the recent changes rss feed
[08:24:49] <Everett>	I don't expect a lot at the moment.  I want to easily monitor traffic for the next couple of weeks and then turn it off again.
[08:25:15] <lch>	Splarka's suggestion seems the most reasonable
[08:25:35] <Everett>	I'm actually blind and there is no good RSS reader.  I'm actually creating one at the moment as part of another project.
[08:26:32] <Splarka>	hmm, there are severel extensions related to email notification
[08:27:21] <Everett>	splarka, ok, I thought there might be some built-in behaviour I could activate, but I can look for an extension.
[08:27:23] *Splarka 	checks a few
[08:28:15] <Splarka>	I don't think there is much call to have an email per revision site-wide...
[08:28:52] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Notification_extensions
[08:28:57] <Everett>	Splarka, understandable, unless you're blind and have poor access to RSS reders with notification.
[08:29:22] <Everett>	splarka, perhaps I should work harder on creating an RSS solution :)
[08:29:59] <Splarka>	somewhere I saw an extension (or proposal?) to output recent changes as SMS messages
[08:30:20] <Splarka>	and several exist that output them as IRC feeds
[08:30:51] <Everett>	splarka, that would be interesting, but it's seldom that the blind have access to SMS either (it's not easy being a blind system administrator / developer)
[08:31:24] <Splarka>	oh, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgUsersNotifiedOnAllChanges
[08:31:35] <Everett>	Otherwise I've really found media wiki to be wonderfully accessible for keyboard navigation.  good work
[08:32:24] <Splarka>	the largest gap in mediawiki accessability (or rather, the most vocal) seems to be the state (lack of) a good audio captcha alternative)
[08:33:19] <Everett>	I haven't taken a look at captchas for the site, but recaptcha seems to be the one recommended by most visually impaired developers for other projects.
[08:33:39] <p858snake>	yeah it has a voice readout thingy afaik
[08:34:23] <Splarka>	it looks like $wgUsersNotifiedOnAllChanges does what you want
[08:34:42] *Splarka 	did not expect to see such a core thing, odd
[08:35:02] <Splarka>	IIRC, recaptcha isn't open source
[08:35:55] <Everett>	splarka, that's true, it's a subscription service.  I didn't think of that.
[08:35:59] <Splarka>	so it might work for wikipedia, but not mediawiki
[08:36:24] <Everett>	splarka, however, many developers are moving from auido captcha to question response captchas.
[08:36:48] <Splarka>	well, you know how pornography drives technology (as the saying goes)
[08:37:07] <Everett>	splarka, "what day of the week is it?", or "Is water wet or dry".  However the risk here is causing problems for individuals who are cognatively impaired.
[08:37:08] <Splarka>	artificial intelligence will come about because of spambots peddling porn and viagra
[08:37:42] <Splarka>	hah, on a wiki, people who are cognatively impaired are usually the ones you don't want editing
[08:38:42] <Everett>	splarka, I find that it useful to just understand the userbase and then to ensure that the question is relevantly difficult.
[08:39:25] <Everett>	Ok, thanks for the assistance.  I'll see if the RSS thing does work well enough for my purposes and then will look at the variable you suggested.
[08:39:38] <Splarka>	you mean, on a Star Trek wiki, ask what color uniforms officers wear?
[08:39:39] <Splarka>	oops
[08:43:05] <Splarka>	that would be kinda cool, to have a mobile device showing you live recent changes as SMS (assuming an unlimited Text plan, of course)
[09:08:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow getting parsedContent of Pages via API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16567  (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[09:23:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10smccandlish)
[10:58:44] <not_registered>	does mediawiki support selectable themes like bulletin boards?
[10:59:25] <mark>	yes
[11:00:09] <domas>	hah
[11:00:13] <domas>	mark, bored? :)
[11:00:20] <mark>	no
[11:08:56] <aleex>	Hi!
[11:09:41] <aleex>	Is there a method to specify how much subsections you see in the TOC?
[11:59:22] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Allow getting parsedContent of Pages via API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16567  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[12:02:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow getting parsedContent of Pages via API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16567  (10roan.kattouw)
[13:16:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Set $wgRestrictDisplayTitle to False on Chinese Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16427  +comment (10shizhao)
[14:11:31] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Error when entering Special:BrowseData with SMW 1.4 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16229  +comment (10yaron57)
[14:36:34] <^V^>	How do I change the Sysop to show as something else?
[14:37:08] <^V^>	IE. custom ranks?
[14:38:46] <CIA-8>	03aaron * r44250 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialImport.php: XHTML fix
[14:39:08] <Mike_lifeguard>	^V^: You can edit [[MediaWiki:Group-sysop]] and/or [[MediaWiki:Group-sysop-member]]
[14:40:39] <^V^>	thanks
[14:42:39] <^V^>	hmmm
[14:42:52] <^V^>	too bad that didnt update to the forum thingy we are using
[14:42:56] <^V^>	http://www.project-valhalla.org/Special:AWCforum/?action=st%2Fid13%2FThe_Origins%2C_Part_1
[14:43:37] <Mike_lifeguard>	That extension should use the system message then, I guess.
[14:43:58] <aleex>	Is there a method to specify how much subsections you see in the TOC?
[14:44:14] <^V^>	yup:) will have to fiddle around with it
[14:44:32] <aleex>	How?
[14:44:48] <^V^>	aleex, sorry was replying to Mike_lifeguard
[14:45:26] <Mike_lifeguard>	aleex: do you mean the /depth/ shown? or the number of entries/length? (although I don't know of a way to do either)
[14:45:37] <bogdan>	is there any extension which shows a list of articles with similar titles (or content) to the current article?
[14:46:01] <faceface>	gero?
[14:50:02] <ssfel>	I installed wikimedia for the first time and I want to copy some common.js stuff from some other wiki page, but when I copy it it doesn't get syntax highlight and the code doesn't seem to work. yes I restarted by browsers. I think js isn't enabled on a fresh installation or something?
[14:53:57] <RoanKattouw>	Simetrical: Are you around?
[14:59:34] <chuck>	Hi, is there any way to use plain HTML in tag extensions?
[14:59:43] <Splarka>	aleex: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css  see ".toclimit-2 .toclevel-2 {display:none;}" etc
[15:00:58] <Silentjet>	Hello
[15:01:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10catlow)
[15:01:39] <Silentjet>	I read some doc, and i do not find any ask to my question
[15:02:54] <Silentjet>	I have web site based on mediawiki 1.7.1 engine , and i have question:
[15:03:04] <Splarka>	ssfel: syntax hilighting is unrelated to javascript (except that one of the geshi syntax hilighters shows pages in User and MediaWiki namespace that end in .js or .css hilighted when installed), see !geshi
[15:03:52] <Silentjet>	How i can denie any user registration on my wiki-portal.
[15:04:10] <Silentjet>	I want to create wiki-user manualy
[15:04:17] <Splarka>	ssfel: $wgUseSiteJs is default true, and make sure it is in the page called [[MediaWiki:Common.js]]
[15:05:04] <Silentjet>	And if you know, plz tell me what extension can i use to create user :)
[15:05:26] <Splarka>	chuck: you mean so that <sometag> </sometag> can contain literal html like <script> <style> <a href> <img> etc?
[15:06:12] <Splarka>	Silentjet: $wgGroupPermissions['*'    ]['createaccount']    = false;   see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights
[15:06:39] <Splarka>	and to create a user go to [[Special:Userlogin]] and click the create link
[15:07:04] <Silentjet>	Splarka: i'm use this variable, but no effect :(
[15:07:06] <ssfel>	Splarka thank you!
[15:07:42] <chuck>	Splarka, my extension has code for a google search bar inside of it which isn't showing
[15:07:47] <Splarka>	Silentjet: can you create accounts while logged out?
[15:08:19] <Silentjet>	Splarka: yes:(
[15:08:32] <Splarka>	and you put that in LocalSettings.php ?
[15:08:34] <Silentjet>	that is why i ask your help
[15:08:39] <Silentjet>	yes :)
[15:09:02] <Splarka>	chuck: check what the InputBox extension does to do forms?
[15:09:23] <Splarka>	you maybe just need to insert it in a later hook
[15:09:33] <Silentjet>	btw i do not make any modification in DefaultSettings.php, i think this is wrong way
[15:09:46] <Splarka>	yes, that is the wrong way, changes go to Local
[15:10:36] <Splarka>	$wgGroupPermissions['*'    ]['edit']             = false;
[15:10:36] <Silentjet>	mb wiki-engine have any debug ?
[15:10:43] <Splarka>	if you set that can you still edit?
[15:21:21] <Silentjet>	So i have another problem... I want to disable view of any pages for unregistred users. When I disable read for all ($wgGroupPermissions['*']['read']= false;) I can not to view LogIn page...
[15:23:00] <Silentjet>	Can anyone ask me how to enable read for login page by any, but all another pages leave nonreadable
[15:23:10] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgWhitelistRead
[15:23:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable extension VariablesExtension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7865  +comment (10dan.bolser)
[15:29:43] <chuck>	Splarka, InputBox is really complex though >_>
[15:32:48] <Silentjet>	Splarka: tnx. But not working propertly. I set $wgWhitelistRead = true;$wgWhitelistRead = array("Special:Userlogin");) but i can not still read Login Page
[15:33:12] <Silentjet>	s/read/view/
[15:33:18] <Silentjet>	any ideas ?
[15:33:48] <Splarka>	sounds like you're localsettings is being ignored
[15:34:53] <Silentjet>	but option "$wgGroupPermissions['*']['read']=false;" is working, because i can not view pages on wiki :)
[15:36:40] <Silentjet>	mb problem because i use different localization that "en" ?
[15:37:02] <Splarka>	that shouldn't matter, mediawiki is well stress-tested for many languages
[15:37:25] *Splarka 	shrugs
[15:37:34] <Splarka>	what did you do to make ['read']=false; work?
[15:38:27] <Silentjet>	i put "$wgGroupPermissions['*'    ]['read']            = false;"  into LocalSettings.php
[15:39:35] <Silentjet>	and after this line i put 2 another line: "$wgWhitelistRead = true;" and "$wgWhitelistRead = array ("Special:Userlogin");"
[15:40:18] <Splarka>	oh, you only need the latter
[15:40:36] <Splarka>	it is true if it isn't false
[15:40:45] <Silentjet>	yeah, because last line redifine first one
[15:45:03] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Contributions from major UK ISPs being assigned to the same two IP addresses - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16569 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (matthew.britton)
[15:45:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Contributions from major UK ISPs being assigned to the same two IP addresses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16569  15enhancement->major (10matthew.britton)
[15:47:57] <Silentjet>	can i get some debug messages from wiki-engine ?
[15:48:16] <Silentjet>	Or this engine do not have debug subsystem ?
[15:51:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10billclark)
[15:52:08] <Silentjet>	can I use mask in page names, like "Special:*" ?
[15:53:35] <Silentjet>	i think no :)
[15:55:36] <Splarka>	to what end? as a page title or to find such pages?
[15:56:08] <Silentjet>	in $wgWhitelistRead 
[15:56:20] <Silentjet>	to allow any special pages
[15:57:59] <Splarka>	ahh, nope...
[15:58:17] <Splarka>	there aren't that many Special: pages, and you don't want to allow them all anyway
[15:58:49] <Splarka>	for example, if you allowed Special:ExpandTemplates anyone could (possibly) view the contents of another page if they knew the title
[15:59:09] <Splarka>	Special:Search would be bad to allow too
[15:59:30] <Silentjet>	yes, i try to find solve of my problem 
[16:00:36] <Silentjet>	i really do not understand why "$wgWhitelistRead" option not working propertly
[16:05:31] <faceface>	hihi
[16:07:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10billclark)
[16:14:09] <CIA-8>	03rotem * r44251 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Localization update.
[16:28:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10catlow)
[16:31:46] <RoanKattouw>	Simetrical, domas: Either of you guys around for SQL help?
[16:31:57] <domas>	I'm running out soon!
[16:33:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Contributions from major UK ISPs being assigned to the same two IP addresses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16569  (10sexyeuroboy)
[16:35:13] <domas>	RoanKattouw: ?
[16:35:14] <domas>	:)
[16:35:20] <domas>	ok, I _am_ runnint out
[16:36:08] <Mike_lifeguard>	oooo, that's a fun error! :D (16569)
[16:36:26] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah?
[16:36:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Contributions from major UK ISPs being assigned to the same two IP addresses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16569  (10mikelifeguard)
[16:36:51] <RoanKattouw>	Domas if you get this (now or later), I'm trying to figure out why a very simple query filesorts
[16:37:14] <RoanKattouw>	SELECT stuff FROM page, langlinks WHERE ll_from=page_id AND page_namespace=0 ORDER BY page_title
[16:37:25] <RoanKattouw>	IMO this shouldn't filesort, but it does
[16:39:23] <jamesfcarter>	hi! is anyone having problems editing mediawiki pages after upgrading to php-5.2.7? i'm getting "Your edit has been rejected because your client mangled the punctuation characters in the edit token."
[16:40:13] <RoanKattouw>	domas: Never mind, STRAIGHT_JOIN fixes it. Just some more retarded 'optimization' on MySQL's part
[16:40:36] <RoanKattouw>	WTF
[16:40:49] <RoanKattouw>	Combining STRAIGHT_JOIN and DISTINCT un-fixes it :O
[16:41:39] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) date handling regressions in SMW 1.4 - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16557  major->normal; +comment (10markus)
[16:43:15] <xiq>	hrm, i had a wiki which people have started using but i forgot the admin password and it seems i didn't set an email address either. i tried some of the database-editing tricks i found with google but it seems that the email addresses are now encrypted. how do i reset the password or email address?
[16:43:24] <xiq>	s/had/have/
[16:46:24] <Mike_lifeguard>	jamesfcarter: did you urlencode it properly?
[16:46:57] <Mike_lifeguard>	xiq: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Resetting_passwords ?
[16:48:50] <jamesfcarter>	Mike_lifeguard: not quite sure what you mean. i edit an existing page, add the word "test" and hit save. there aren't any non-ascii characters on the page, so there doesn't seem to be anything to mangle. the only thing i've changed is upgrading from php-5.2.6 to php-5.2.7 (built in exactly the same way i built it before).
[16:49:49] <Mike_lifeguard>	the trailing +\ on the edit token is to stop misconfigured proxies from editing. So, perhaps that is the problem.
[16:50:08] <Mike_lifeguard>	but... maybe check php
[16:50:32] <Mike_lifeguard>	I don't know what version of PHP MediaWiki requires...
[16:51:06] <Mike_lifeguard>	hmm, says "PHP version 5.0 or later (5.1.x recommended, for api.php to work)"
[16:51:50] <^demon>	I think there's question as to whether it even works on 5.0 anymore, or if 5.1 is the bare minimum these days.
[16:52:27] <jamesfcarter>	i think it must be some incompatibiity introduced in 5.2.7 and that's the only thing i've changed. unfortunately i need to upgrade because of security issues...
[16:52:47] <jamesfcarter>	anyone else using php-5.2.7?
[16:53:18] <^demon>	I just noticed it was out since you said that :)
[16:53:32] <RoanKattouw>	domas: I ran into some extremely weird MySQL behavior, where I can get a query to achieve nice performance (no filesort), but adding DISTINCT seems to introduce a filesort
[16:54:12] <RoanKattouw>	domas: Please look at http://rafb.net/p/91G7t753.html if and when you have time
[16:54:36] <RoanKattouw>	domas: MySQL version is 5.0.45-community-nt
[16:56:10] <xiq>	Mike_lifeguard: ah sorry, it was PEBKAC... the user_email field is just a blob and phpmyadmin wasnt showing it. i set it with the mysql client and emailed myself the password.
[17:02:55] <jamesfcarter>	Mike_lifeguard: this edit token seems to be intact: <input type='hidden' value="a5bb2480c740141ee0306e238ece53f9+\" name="wpEditToken" /> 
[17:03:09] <Mike_lifeguard>	yes
[17:10:23] <jamesfcarter>	further investigation reveals php-5.2.7 stripping the \ from the edit token. time to submit a bug?
[17:10:50] <CIA-8>	03aaron * r44252 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialSearch.php: Keep form only for "file:" searches
[17:16:04] <CIA-8>	03dale * r44253 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/maintenance/ (mv_oneTime_fixes.php transcode_to_flv.php): maintenance scripts update
[17:21:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10billclark)
[17:21:29] <|REM|>	what's a good way to create and manage groups and group access in mediawiki?
[17:23:04] <Splarka>	!userrights
[17:23:04] --mwbot--	For information on customizing user access, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights >. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access >.
[17:24:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10billclark)
[17:25:22] <Mike||busy>	jamesfcarter: dunno. is that a bug with MediaWiki, or a bug with PHP 5.2.7? :D
[17:25:36] <CIA-8>	03demon * r44254 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
[17:25:36] <CIA-8>	Cleanup to wfGetNull():
[17:25:36] <CIA-8>	* Add override in case /dev/null isn't accessible (bug 11009)
[17:25:36] <CIA-8>	* Use wfGetNull() in ProxyTools rather than hardcoding it
[17:26:29] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) open_basedir breaks use of external tidy - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11009  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[17:28:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Contributions from major UK ISPs being assigned to the same two IP addresses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16569  (10brion)
[17:30:20] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) wpEditToken loses trailing slash in php-5.2.7 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16570 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (james)
[17:30:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) wpEditToken loses trailing slash in php-5.2.7 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16570  (10james)
[17:34:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Contributions from major UK ISPs being assigned to the same two IP addresses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16569  (10matthew.britton)
[17:34:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Contributions from major UK ISPs being assigned to the same two IP addresses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16569  +comment (10duncan.hill1)
[17:35:27] <Simetrical>	<RoanKattouw> SELECT stuff FROM page, langlinks WHERE ll_from=page_id AND page_namespace=0 ORDER BY page_title <-- It has to pick between scanning more rows (select from page first, drop out pages with no langlinks entries) or filesorting (select from langlinks first).  MySQL will often stupidly choose to filesort a huge result set instead of scanning some more rows.  DISTINCT can cause performance problems, what are the columns you're sele
[17:35:27] <Simetrical>	cting?  It can cause filesorting because MySQL needs to sort the rows to find which ones are distinct . . . how does it know whether any given row matches another in the result set if not by sorting it first?  O(n^2) scanning of the results for each row?
[17:36:35] <CIA-8>	03mkroetzsch * r44255 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/ (SMW_QueryProcessor.php storage/SMW_Description.php): Fixed bug 16556 (problems with setting printout label for ?Category printouts)
[17:36:36] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) regression: no column header for category display - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16556  (10markus)
[17:37:00] <Simetrical>	Of course it doesn't logically have to sort the *whole* result set for DISTINCT, but it doesn't have to do it for ORDER BY ... LIMIT either, hypothetically.  I'm guessing it does anyway.
[17:37:16] <Simetrical>	(s/DISTINCT/DISTINCT ... LIMIT/ in last line)
[17:37:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Contributions from major UK ISPs being assigned to the same two IP addresses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16569  (10matthew.britton)
[17:37:59] <^demon>	Is there a generic show/hide function somewhere in the common javascripts?
[17:38:56] <Splarka>	just the TOC
[17:39:13] <Splarka>	although werdna was grumbling about the lack when having to create his own
[17:40:43] <^demon>	Something in wikibits would be nice :)
[17:43:47] <MZMcBride>	There's an open bug about that.
[17:44:50] <Splarka>	wikibloats.js
[17:44:59] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) After upgrading to SMW and installing the SPARQL endpoint, SMW_refreshData.php doesn't work anymore - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15117  +comment (10markus)
[17:45:03] <Splarka>	something nice and small, or maybe a nice extension
[17:49:38] <^demon>	http://www.pastey.net/103728 - see, simple :)
[17:51:49] <Splarka>	ugh, no, bad
[17:52:22] <mheld>	hey y'all
[17:52:31] <^demon>	Splarka: Why?
[17:52:32] <Splarka>	you want to use style.display (like everything but the geoloc announcements use)
[17:52:56] <mheld>	i've asked this before, but I've forgotten: how would I be able to link a mediawiki article to a local document... whenever I reloaded the mediawiki article, it would read the document
[17:52:56] <mheld>	?
[17:53:25] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Include
[17:53:54] <mheld>	beautiful
[17:53:55] <mheld>	thanks
[17:54:11] <Splarka>	also ^demon: that doesn't actually help much with things like dynamic nav, since the javascript (onclick or href="javascript:") has to be manually inserted
[17:54:35] <Splarka>	also also, you probably would want to make the TOC show/hide a wrapper for that, if you were gonna commit that to wikibits
[17:55:44] <^demon>	Hmmm.
[17:55:56] <^demon>	A method to insert [ Show ] [ Hide ] into a page would be nice.
[17:56:05] <^demon>	And then showHide() could update those appropriately.
[17:57:03] <Splarka>	sigh, it is hacky in any way
[17:57:18] <Splarka>	it should probably be an extension, that can include non-printable configuration automatically
[17:57:41] <Splarka>	like, some things should be hidden/collapsed initially only to JS users, and shown to all, like big lists pertinent to an article
[17:57:58] <Splarka>	and some might only be useful expandable to JS users, hidden from print and non-JS view
[17:58:11] <Splarka>	and some should probably never be printed, like expandable nav boxes
[17:59:03] <Splarka>	the situation as is is actually about the best, projects can do what they want in pure JS/CSS/Templates on-site and adjust rules/usages as needed
[18:01:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Import sources on el.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16551  (10N/A)
[18:01:29] <^demon>	You'd control default show/hide in CSS. showHide() would only be for toggling and would only work for JS users anyway.
[18:01:51] <Splarka>	ahh, not that simple
[18:02:31] <Splarka>	<div style="display:block;" class="collapse-in-js-by-default noprint">
[18:02:57] <Splarka>	or maybe <div style="display:hidden;" class="expand-in-js-by-default print">
[18:03:05] <Splarka>	it gets confusing and annoying fast
[18:07:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10smccandlish)
[18:12:10] <CIA-8>	03mkroetzsch * r44256 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/storage/SMW_Description.php: Extended and cleaned up documentation
[18:16:15] <CIA-8>	03aaron * r44257 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (SearchEngine.php SearchMySQL.php): Use boolean searching with '?' char
[18:17:15] <CIA-8>	03mkroetzsch * r44258 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/INSTALL: use $IP in include path as suggested by Bug 16520.
[18:18:32] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) documentation issue: wrong path given in install instructions - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16520  +comment (10markus)
[18:29:09] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Transfer some Features from DPL to <ask> - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13151  +comment (10markus)
[18:30:47] <Nikerabbit>	hi Splarka
[18:33:02] <Splarka>	rar
[18:33:29] <RickP>	Hello. Would someone explain (or point me in the right direction) how to get $wgOut->addHTML to add content to the end of the file (rather than the beginning). Thank you
[18:33:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Support for displaying in-links of multi-valued properties in Special: Browse - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15279  summary; +comment (10markus)
[18:34:24] <Nikerabbit>	"file"?
[18:34:25] <Nikerabbit>	page?
[18:34:34] <RickP>	page
[18:35:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Display of conversion values in multi-valued properties confusing - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15214  summary (10markus)
[18:35:35] <Nikerabbit>	you have to call it in correct place in the page rendering
[18:38:52] <mheld>	hey
[18:39:10] <mheld>	I'm using the Import extension
[18:39:29] <mheld>	and it doesn't update the page unless I "edit" the article
[18:39:33] <RickP>	OK - trying to find information on the rendering order. thanks.
[18:40:03] <mheld>	is there anything you can think of that would allow me to not have to edit the page so that it updates the include
[18:40:20] <mheld>	s/import/include
[18:40:22] <mheld>	above
[18:44:36] <^demon>	Splarka: I got it working all sexy and easy-to-use except one minor part.
[18:46:51] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED)  Display of conversion values in multi-valued properties confusing - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15214  +comment (10markus)
[18:47:05] <CIA-8>	03mkroetzsch * r44259 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_DV_NAry.php: modified display to fix Bug 15214
[18:48:59] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) EXIF to Semantic Data - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13652  +comment (10markus)
[18:52:23] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Image Tagging - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14374  +comment (10markus)
[18:52:30] <mheld>	there we go
[18:52:31] <mheld>	HTMLets
[18:53:30] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Special:Browse should translate object page and category names - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13309  +comment (10markus)
[19:01:15] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Support parameters to control details of query printouts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16571 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (markus)
[19:01:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) More options for link= in inline queries - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15431  +comment (10markus)
[19:02:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Support parameters to control details of query printouts - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16571  (10markus)
[19:02:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Queries for parts of values of many-valued properties - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15454  (10markus)
[19:02:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Support parameters to control details of query printouts - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16571  (10markus)
[19:02:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) enhancement: adjust number of Property values displayed - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14506  (10markus)
[19:02:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Support parameters to control details of query printouts - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16571  (10markus)
[19:03:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) enhancement: adjust number of Property values displayed - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14506  (10markus)
[19:03:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Support parameters to control details of query printouts - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16571  (10markus)
[19:03:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Options for #show parser - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15222  (10markus)
[19:03:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Support parameters to control details of query printouts - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16571  (10markus)
[19:04:07] <RickP>	Is there any information available on the page rendering sequence as it relates to $wgout->addhtml? Looking but not finding it. Thanks.
[19:04:39] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) enhancement: adjust number of Property values displayed - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14506  (10markus)
[19:05:30] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) After upgrading to SMW and installing the SPARQL endpoint, SMW_refreshData.php doesn't work anymore - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15117  +comment (10cariaso)
[19:06:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Value for Configuring Number Output - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13317  (10markus)
[19:08:10] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) article metadata in </ask> - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10824  +comment (10markus)
[19:18:49] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Support number ranges in Semantic MediaWiki - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15302  +comment (10markus)
[19:25:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) n-ary data in queries to templates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14464  +comment (10markus)
[19:25:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) service links don't work for many-valued properties - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14426  (10markus)
[19:25:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Support parameters to control details of query printouts - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16571  (10markus)
[19:25:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Queries for parts of values of many-valued properties - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15454  (10markus)
[19:25:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Support parameters to control details of query printouts - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16571  (10markus)
[19:30:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Use of #ask+template in parser fucntions/annotations - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13336  (10markus)
[19:30:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Support parameters to control details of query printouts - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16571  (10markus)
[19:30:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Display subproperties using * operator in queries - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12822  +comment (10markus)
[19:30:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Support parameters to control details of query printouts - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16571  (10markus)
[19:30:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Use of #ask+template in parser fucntions/annotations - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13336  (10markus)
[19:30:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Support parameters to control details of query printouts - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16571  (10markus)
[19:40:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable extension VariablesExtension - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7865  +comment (10mxn)
[20:05:39] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED)  Contributions from major UK ISPs being assigned to the same two IP addresses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16569  +comment (10mark)
[20:22:57] <CIA-8>	03demon * r44260 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/ForeignAPIRepo.php: Bow out more gracefully if we can't write to the file. We've already got the foreign thumb URL on hand, so just use that.
[20:27:44] <CIA-8>	03ialex * r44261 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (CHANGELOG Configure.php SpecialViewConfig.php): 
[20:27:44] <CIA-8>	* Fixed E_NOTICE introduced in r44230
[20:27:44] <CIA-8>	* Readd messages without link if the current wiki isn't in the version but the user can see foreign wikis, otherwise there will only be "(otherwiki)"
[20:39:59] <caldo_de_cana>	hello
[20:41:01] <caldo_de_cana>	I'm trying to edit monobook.php to show a message on the wiki. but I only want that message to be shown when people are viewing articles (not editing or anything else). what variable must I check in the php to if() the message?
[20:44:07] <RoanKattouw>	Simetrical: Ah I guess that explains. I'm doing a DISTINCT on page_namespace, page_title, page_id , the latter probably causes the filesort
[20:44:30] <RoanKattouw>	Which is kind of ironic since page_id is unique for a given (page_namespace, page_title)
[20:51:26] <RoanKattouw>	Simetrical: WTF, even doing a SELECT DISTINCT page_title FROM ... ORDER BY page_title manages to filesort while the non-DISTINCT variant doesn't
[20:52:06] <RoanKattouw>	OTOH, does filesorting an already perfectly sorted result set (albeit with duplicates) take significant time?
[20:53:16] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Search via API fails intermittently - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16572 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Search; (russblau)
[20:56:17] <Simetrical>	RoanKattouw, probably, yes, if the result set is large.  It will have to do disk access.  If the set is small enough for an in-memory table, maybe not.
[20:56:20] <Simetrical>	I have to go now.
[21:06:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Search via API fails intermittently - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16572  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[21:09:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Contributions from major UK ISPs being assigned to the same two IP addresses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16569  (10brion)
[21:15:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Search via API fails intermittently - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16572  +comment (10rainman)
[21:17:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) wpEditToken loses trailing slash in php-5.2.7 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16570  (10brion)
[21:21:13] <luna6>	im using mediawiki 1.13, I've had a few users mention that the rss/atom feed stopped working on dec. 3...where can i look to even check for problems?
[21:25:50] <CIA-8>	03purodha * r44262 10/trunk/extensions/CentralNotice/CentralNotice.i18n.php: typo in message text.
[21:28:22] <CIA-8>	03brion * r44263 10/trunk/extensions/SiteMatrix/SiteMatrix.php: if we're gonna hardcode defaults for wikimedia, let's use the non-NFS path :D
[21:39:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Contributions from major UK ISPs being assigned to the same two IP addresses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16569  +comment (10johannes.aquila)
[21:43:23] <RingtailedFox>	how do i tell if wikimedia is using html tidy:?
[21:44:00] <brion>	RingtailedFox: you trust us when we tell you it is :)
[21:44:36] <CIA-8>	03ialex * r44264 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (4 files): Added $wgNullFile
[21:44:55] <RingtailedFox>	well, the mediawiki manual on stealing data from wikipedia says to use HTML Tidy
[21:45:18] <RingtailedFox>	particularly if i have mixed wiki/html markup. yet, when i try the mixed wiki/html markup, it returns errors all over
[21:45:24] <RingtailedFox>	which makes me think it's not working
[21:46:42] <Reedy>	brion, ^ for 16569, surely it'd be simpler just listing them in the sensitive ip's?
[21:47:28] <brion>	Reedy: is that the list of "please don't block these unless you're sure" that some folk on some sites maintain manually?
[21:47:50] <brion>	i'd assume such people would have already updated their lists for such things
[21:48:03] <brion>	RingtailedFox: did you mean mediawiki?
[21:48:14] <Reedy>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Blocking_IP_addresses#Sensitive_IP_addresses
[21:48:15] <brion>	check if you've enabled $wgUseTidy...
[21:48:16] <Reedy>	hmm
[21:48:23] <RingtailedFox>	yes
[21:48:28] <RingtailedFox>	i meant on mediawiki software
[21:48:28] <Reedy>	doesnt really fit under those 2 criteria tho..
[21:50:37] <RingtailedFox>	brion: http://wiki.mobianlegends.com/wiki/Sandbox
[21:50:47] <RingtailedFox>	edit that code, put it on english wikipedia's sandbox and it works perfectly
[21:51:15] <brion>	RingtailedFox: check if you've enabled $wgUseTidy in LocalSettings.php (and confirm you have tidy, of course :)
[21:51:44] <RingtailedFox>	i do
[21:52:30] <RingtailedFox>	$wgUseTidy=true;
[21:52:30] <RingtailedFox>	$wgTidyBin = '/root/opt/tidy/bin/tidy';
[21:52:51] <RingtailedFox>	should i eliminate the spaces?
[21:53:09] <domas>	no
[21:53:35] <RingtailedFox>	should i add spaces to the one up top? or are they fine?
[21:56:15] <RingtailedFox>	so, if tidy's enabled, why is it not working?
[22:07:14] <RingtailedFox>	hello?
[22:08:28] <Laaknor>	hello!
[22:08:47] <RingtailedFox>	laaknor, are you good with HTML Tidy issues?
[22:09:03] <RingtailedFox>	becuase, i cannot get mixed html/wiki markup to workout on my website. it works on wikipedia, though
[22:09:49] <RingtailedFox>	welcomeback, domas
[22:09:57] <Laaknor>	never worked with it, so no
[22:10:01] <RingtailedFox>	ok
[22:10:07] <Laaknor>	at least not in mediawiki
[22:10:10] <RingtailedFox>	hmm
[22:10:25] <domas>	hi!
[22:10:36] <ialex>	hey domas
[22:11:33] <MZMcBride>	Somebody suggested blacklisting the string "~~~~" in the articlespace.
[22:11:39] <MZMcBride>	Is that a bad idea?
[22:11:52] <Charitwo>	never seen a use for timestamps there
[22:12:41] <MZMcBride>	Four tildes is a signature, even more pointless.
[22:13:02] <brion>	MZMcBride: that's a bad idea because it's pointless to ban it
[22:13:16] <MZMcBride>	Eh?
[22:13:21] <brion>	and because most wikis probably put lots of general discussion in their namespace 0 
[22:13:26] <brion>	like.... all of mine?
[22:13:33] <MZMcBride>	We get quite a few people doing it each day...
[22:13:43] <brion>	who are "we"
[22:13:46] <MZMcBride>	Especially with the edit buttons so easily clickable.
[22:13:50] <MZMcBride>	en.wiki.
[22:13:51] <brion>	and why do "we" get so angry about it
[22:14:02] <brion>	when "we" would just have to clean up whatever different mistake people made instead
[22:14:15] <MZMcBride>	Because people accidentally click the edit toolbar button, press save, and then there's a user signature in the middle of a paragraph. ;-)
[22:14:36] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) \epsilon renders as \varepsilon - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16573 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (szotten)
[22:14:48] <brion>	or some other thing that they happened to push
[22:14:51] <brion>	let's ban italics
[22:14:53] <brion>	and images
[22:14:55] <brion>	and bold
[22:14:58] <brion>	and horizontal rules
[22:15:00] <brion>	and links
[22:15:01] <brion>	ban them all!
[22:15:02] <brion>	fuckers
[22:15:18] *MZMcBride 	grumbles. Will you be helping clean up the current mess? :P
[22:15:25] <aib>	is this a mediawiki error? 'This file contains HTML or script code that may be erroneously interpreted by a web browser."
[22:15:30] <brion>	click the revert button when you see something broken
[22:15:48] <MZMcBride>	Some of this has lasted for weeks.
[22:16:14] <aib>	that error is like 'no duh it's a script...'
[22:16:38] <domas>	running srv47 in learning mode
[22:16:39] <werdnum>	hello all
[22:16:46] <MZMcBride>	brion: I was thinking if SpamRegex were enabled, en.wiki specifically could just configure it. Because we really have no use for signatures in NS:0.
[22:17:06] <MZMcBride>	And then perhaps we'll ban italics and bold. That may require consensus, though. ;-)
[22:18:06] <RingtailedFox>	i can come back later
[22:18:12] <brion>	MZMcBride: a flat ban is stupid since, sooner or later, you will have a quite legitimate use that's going to break
[22:18:14] <brion>	like
[22:18:14] <brion>	oh
[22:18:16] <brion>	i don't know
[22:18:24] <brion>	any reference to how mediawiki uses signatures ;)
[22:18:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) \epsilon renders as \varepsilon - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16573  (10raimond.spekking)
[22:18:42] <MZMcBride>	An article on that?
[22:18:51] <brion>	meanwhile a learning spam filter which can give warnings would be useful for catching stuff
[22:18:54] <MZMcBride>	Surely we've gone very wrong elsewhere if we have that issue...
[22:19:12] <aib>	can anyone explain this? I added the file type to $wgFileExtensions. "This file contains HTML or script code that may be erroneously interpreted by a web browser"
[22:19:15] <werdnum>	brion: my todo list for Configure is getting really short :)
[22:19:16] <MZMcBride>	Yes, a filter would be nice.
[22:19:34] <aib>	why is something scanning the contents of the files i upload to mediawiki?
[22:19:43] <werdnum>	brion: do you want to take a squizz?
[22:19:50] <MZMcBride>	brion: Or even a confirmation button for certain thing: "Do you really mean to insert a signature in this article? Press yes."
[22:20:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) {{int:X}} respects user-defined interface language, breaking link tables etc. (aka {{USERIFCODE}} strikes back) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14404  (10Platonides)
[22:20:59] <ialex>	hello werdnum
[22:22:27] <aib>	how do I disable this message and force it to upload the file? ;This file contains HTML or script code that may be erroneously interpreted by a web browser.'
[22:22:29] <Nikerabbit>	hello ialex
[22:22:37] <ialex>	hello Nikerabbit
[22:23:17] <aib>	the file contains c++ and i don't care what a browser does with ity
[22:23:23] <werdnum>	hi ialex 
[22:23:45] <MZMcBride>	Hmm. Virgin is doing some strangeness...
[22:24:22] <aib>	the silence is wonderful, it means i get to try and hack on mediawiki myself, always fun!
[22:24:26] <aib>	not.
[22:25:32] <MZMcBride>	Did you enable virus scanning or something?
[22:25:48] <werdnum>	no, it's not virus scanning.
[22:25:52] <werdnum>	There's a configuration option
[22:26:03] <werdnum>	and please be patient - most of us are volunteers.
[22:26:11] <werdnum>	sarcasm won't get you very far.
[22:27:14] <werdnum>	Your question is also answered in the FAQ - see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ#How_can_I_allow_uploading_of_HTML_files.3F
[22:27:32] <aib>	this isn't an HTML file
[22:27:39] <aib>	it's a .proj file that contains something very similar to C++
[22:27:41] <MZMcBride>	What are you trying to upload?
[22:27:46] <MZMcBride>	Ahh.
[22:28:20] <aib>	i found some others with the issue in other contexts but never a fix
[22:28:23] <aib>	sorry for my sarcasm:)
[22:30:14] <CIA-8>	03ialex * r44265 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (Configure.js Configure.php): Fix one more JS issue in IE, but there are many more *sigh*
[22:30:28] <brion>	aib: i think it's a generic message that means "not sure what this file type is"
[22:30:35] <brion>	ignore it, change it, or tweak around your settings
[22:31:26] <aib>	i found it, not mediawiki's fault but semantic forms: if( $this->detectScript ( $tmpfile, $mime, $extension ) ) { return new WikiErrorMsg( 'uploadscripted' ) }
[22:31:28] <aib>	thanks
[22:31:33] <werdnum>	brion: the system message is 'uploadscripted', which is returned if SpecialUpload::detectScript() is true.
[22:31:54] <Joe_CoT>	is there a way to disallow anonymous page edits, but allow anonymous discussion page edits?
[22:32:03] <MZMcBride>	I think so.
[22:32:04] <werdnum>	yes, I think so.
[22:32:08] <aib>	although it points to detectscript doing something really stupid since this is definitely not dangerous html
[22:32:10] <MZMcBride>	!userrights
[22:32:10] --mwbot--	For information on customizing user access, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights >. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access >.
[22:32:15] <aib>	i suppose c++ can be mistaken for javascript 
[22:32:22] <MZMcBride>	Joe_CoT: Peek at the first link. ^
[22:32:31] <MZMcBride>	There are two separate rights, I believe.
[22:32:31] <AaronSchulz>	brion: sooo how are LQs going?
[22:32:37] <werdnum>	aib: Have a look at what detectScript does, in SPecialUpload.php
[22:32:52] <werdnum>	it just looks for JS-like constructs.
[22:32:57] <ialex>	MZMcBride: for page creation, not page edit
[22:33:10] <aib>	gotcha
[22:33:11] <brion>	?
[22:33:20] <MZMcBride>	ialex: Ahh, there's a variable then, I think..
[22:33:32] <ialex>	MZMcBride: you need to use a hook
[22:33:37] <MZMcBride>	Perhaps hack something with ProtectedNamespaces (or whatever that variable is..)?
[22:33:39] <Joe_CoT>	ialex, MZMcBride exactly, i looked there already. I wanted to see if there was an equivalent "edittalk" or something
[22:33:58] <ialex>	MZMcBride: yeah, $wgNamespaceProtection can also be used :)
[22:34:04] <werdnum>	Nah, you can try wgNamespaceProtection
[22:34:07] <MZMcBride>	Yeah, that's it. :-)
[22:34:08] <AaronSchulz>	brion: liquidthreads
[22:34:10] <werdnum>	yeah, what ialex and MZMcBride said :)
[22:34:43] <brion>	beats me, aa
[22:35:19] <ialex>	$wgNamespaceProtection[NS_MAIN] = $wgNamespaceProtection[NS_USER] = ... = array( 'editcontent' );
[22:35:40] <ialex>	$wgGroupPermissions['user']['editcontent'] = true;
[22:35:54] <Joe_CoT>	awesome, thanks!
[22:35:56] <werdnum>	brion: also, do you have time to look at Configure again? :)
[22:36:06] <brion>	werdnum: shortly
[22:36:11] <werdnum>	okay, awesome :)
[22:36:18] <ialex>	Joe_CoT: don't forget to complete the "..."
[22:36:21] <ialex>	;)
[22:36:45] <Joe_CoT>	ialex, don't think i understand
[22:38:59] <ialex>	Joe_CoT: http://rafb.net/p/KIP0Jb32.html
[22:40:08] <Joe_CoT>	i see. So if i only wanted them to be able to edit that single namespace, i'd actually have to add a special permission to the /rest/ of the namespaces, except talk, and give that permission to the other groups
[22:40:34] <ialex>	Joe_CoT: yes
[22:40:39] <AaronSchulz>	brion: hmm, was wondering if I should look at it
[22:40:54] <AaronSchulz>	at any rate, will you get to look at the search ui soon?
[22:42:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Contributions from major UK ISPs being assigned to the same two IP addresses - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16569  (10matthew.britton)
[22:45:20] <Joe_CoT>	lol. ialex, MZMcBride, that worked. I told my coworker, and he apparently wanted to do that on our wiki ages ago, but couldn't figure out how :D
[22:45:35] <MZMcBride>	Nice. :-)
[22:45:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Contributions from major UK ISPs being assigned to the same two IP addresses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16569  (10matthew.britton)
[22:57:22] <brion>	werdnum: ok looking at configure :D
[22:57:41] <werdnum>	brion: cool :)
[22:59:14] <ialex>	\o/
[23:00:24] <brion>	werdnum: i've got no $wgLogo :(
[23:00:42] <werdnum>	brion: give yourself the 'configure-all' right.
[23:00:58] <werdnum>	brion: need to fix that, thanks for the reminder :)
[23:02:56] <RingtailedFox>	i need to figure out how to force mediawiki to use html tidy
[23:03:11] <RingtailedFox>	i'm sick of being unable to use mixed wiki/html markup
[23:03:32] <ialex>	werdnum: if you want settings to not be restricted, remove them from $editRestricted in Configure.settings-core.php
[23:03:46] <werdnum>	ialex: okay thanks :)
[23:03:52] <brion>	the 'convert file name to url' button seems a little awkward to me
[23:04:02] <brion>	1) it gave me a thumbnail for Wiki.png -- http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/bc/Wiki.png/113px-Wiki.png
[23:04:30] <brion>	2) it's active even when the field is empty or already a URL, which can be confusing (it whines at me like it's my fault for clicking it :)
[23:04:43] <brion>	3) if i assum ei can hit enter... i can't. :) that saves the whole form
[23:04:49] <werdnum>	What did you enter to get the thumbnail for Wiki.png?
[23:04:56] <brion>	Wiki.png
[23:05:04] <brion>	(i'm using enwiki & commons as foreign api repos)
[23:05:07] <werdnum>	well isn't that what you wanted? :/
[23:05:17] <brion>	no, i want the original image not a thumbnail that's the wrong size
[23:05:38] <werdnum>	I thought the thumbnailing was a feature, not a bug :)
[23:05:46] <brion>	nope it's a bug :D
[23:05:52] <werdnum>	130px is the correct size for a logo, no?
[23:06:04] <brion>	135x155 for wikipedia's logo
[23:06:09] <brion>	there is some flexibility to that
[23:06:13] <brion>	some are a few pixels either way
[23:06:27] <brion>	any thumbnailing will turn the quality to shit and make the file size much bigger
[23:06:38] <werdnum>	okay, I'll get rid of thumbnailing.
[23:06:47] <brion>	as well as just not being the size you wanted :)
[23:07:15] <werdnum>	and also... make it not do anything if the field is empty or has a / in it?
[23:07:35] <brion>	might be nice if it just interprets a non-URL/non-path as an image name without making the user click a button...
[23:08:19] <brion>	(and a link to the image page too, now that would rock :)
[23:08:49] <werdnum>	Well, a link to the image page could only be done with a button, unless you want to refresh every time :)
[23:09:24] <brion>	?
[23:09:44] <MrZ-man>	werdnum: it should also implement RFC 2324 for the WMF office
[23:09:50] <werdnum>	??
[23:10:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Contributions from major UK ISPs being assigned to the same two IP addresses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16569  (10mikelifeguard)
[23:10:11] <werdnum>	brion: A link to the image page could only be done with a refresh or with the js button..?
[23:11:05] <brion>	or a link that you change dynamically? :)
[23:11:51] <werdnum>	oh, so like an onblur event or something
[23:11:54] <werdnum>	could be done.
[23:13:10] <werdnum>	Okay, so make wgLogo better, including having it interpret image names *and* URLs, and having an auto-preview onblur.
[23:13:16] <werdnum>	Can do, what else?
[23:13:18] <brion>	ok, gonna try out the db handler...
[23:41:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Contributions from major UK ISPs being assigned to the same two IP addresses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16569  (10stwalkerster)