[00:01:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) WebRequest input handling cleanup: magic_quotes removal - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11558  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[00:19:52] <RingtailedFox>	hello?
[00:19:57] <RingtailedFox>	anyone home?
[00:19:59] <werdnum>	hi
[00:23:33] <RingtailedFox>	ko
[00:24:09] <RingtailedFox>	werdnum, i got all the pre-requisite files and templates installed on m wiki site, and i have the parser installed AND i have tidy ready to go... but i still have errors with mixed markup
[00:24:40] <werdnum>	I don't know anything about mixed markup except "Use Tidy"
[00:24:41] <werdnum>	:( sorry
[00:24:48] <RingtailedFox>	how do i  use tidy?
[00:24:55] <RingtailedFox>	$wgUseTidy=true;
[00:24:55] <RingtailedFox>	$wgTidyBin='/home1/mobianle/www/wiki/extensions/tidy/tidy';
[00:25:00] <RingtailedFox>	that's what i have in my localsettings.php file
[00:25:06] <werdnum>	That's what I'd have done.
[00:25:19] <RingtailedFox>	put that line in?
[00:25:30] <RingtailedFox>	it's in there... yet, i can't use infoboxes or wikitables with HTML
[00:25:39] <RingtailedFox>	http://wiki.mobianlegends.com/wiki/Sandbox
[00:25:45] <RingtailedFox>	that fails me, but it works in english wikipedia
[00:32:27] <CIA-8>	03werdna * r44266 10/trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
[00:32:27] <CIA-8>	Fix up Configure extension logo setting handling:
[00:32:27] <CIA-8>	* Replace annoying button with an onblur preview and server-side conversion of file names into URLs.
[00:37:04] <chealer>	hi. is it possible to insert a newline in a reference (<ref>), and if so, how?
[00:38:23] <aib>	<br/>
[00:38:39] <aib>	chealer, <br/>
[00:51:04] <brion>	where was i...
[00:51:18] <RingtailedFox>	you were helping me with my markup issues
[00:51:20] <RingtailedFox>	:P
[00:52:57] <brion>	:D
[00:53:27] <RingtailedFox>	you can't help?
[00:57:47] <RingtailedFox>	no?
[01:05:59] <RingtailedFox>	don't want to help?
[01:08:34] <werdnum>	brion: you were looking at Configure, I think.
[01:08:37] <werdnum>	(didn't notice you come back)
[01:08:47] <werdnum>	brion: I fixed up the logo stuff, give it a whirl and tell me if that's what you're after.
[01:10:51] <Pinky>	could someone mark http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/44048 as resolved? it's not a big deal, but it has been resolved per r44213
[01:17:07] <brion>	hmmm
[01:17:14] <brion>	i think magic_quotes is broken in php 5.2.7
[01:18:14] <werdnum>	</3 magic quptes
[01:18:16] <werdnum>	quotes
[01:21:52] <RingtailedFox>	is there another mediawiki software help channel?
[01:23:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) wpEditToken loses trailing slash in php-5.2.7 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16570  (10brion)
[01:23:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Weaken DISPLAYTITLE restictions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12998  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[01:24:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Weaken DISPLAYTITLE restictions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12998  (10JSchulz_4587)
[01:25:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) wpEditToken loses trailing slash in php-5.2.7 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16570  (10brion)
[01:26:31] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Apostrophes in page titles causing page content to disappear - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12749  (10JSchulz_4587)
[01:27:07] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Allow administrators to temporarily disable the account creation limit for an IP addresse - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16574 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User login/settings; (matthew.britton)
[01:29:04] <werdnum>	hey AaronSchulz 
[01:32:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Page saving error MW1.13 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16227  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[01:36:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) File histories should be paged, requires modification of File. php and friends - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12645  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[01:37:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) s:cs: settings - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16277  +comment (10brion)
[01:38:11] <AaronSchulz>	hey
[01:38:19] <RingtailedFox>	hi
[01:39:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Class 'UploadForm' not found - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15184  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[01:41:05] <AaronSchulz>	well, and werdna too
[01:41:09] <werdnum>	brion: are you still looking at Configure, or on something else now?
[01:41:28] <brion>	werdnum: right now i'm hating on php a little
[01:41:38] <brion>	then i'll go home, it's getting late :(
[01:41:39] <werdnum>	brion: ooh, can I do it too?
[01:41:44] <brion>	sure!
[01:42:00] <werdnum>	heh, I'll have to have that..... "Weekend" thing.
[01:42:04] <werdnum>	what are those?
[01:42:43] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) accesskey method undefined - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16372  (10JSchulz_4587)
[01:43:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Contributions from major UK ISPs being assigned to the same two IP addresses - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16569  (10matthew.britton)
[01:46:36] <WaRpAtH>	yeah
[01:55:13] <CIA-8>	03dale * r44267 10/trunk/extensions/OggHandler/OggHandler_body.php: includes support for generating thumbnails from oggz_chopped files (like the segments that come from archive.org or metavid) bug: 15920
[02:02:48] <RingtailedFox>	why does no one like helping me?
[02:02:57] <RingtailedFox>	i've been in here for days trying to get an answer but no one helps me
[02:03:36] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) accesskey method undefined - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16372  +comment (10Art.Kalb)
[02:07:02] <CIA-8>	03aaron * r44268 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.php: Fix doc typos
[02:08:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) accesskey method undefined - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16372  (10JSchulz_4587)
[02:08:59] <AaronSchulz>	RingtailedFox: what is the problem?
[02:09:05] <^demon>	brion: Semi-related to the magic_quotes issue, I posted a patch today about a rewrite for WebRequest where we can do strip-on-demand and save some memory.
[02:09:25] <RingtailedFox>	i have problems parsing HTML tables and mixed html/wiki markup
[02:09:33] <RingtailedFox>	http://wiki.mobianlegends.com/wiki/Sandbox
[02:09:37] <RingtailedFox>	that fails, but works on english wikipedia
[02:10:13] <^demon>	!b 11558 | brion
[02:10:13] --mwbot--	brion: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11558
[02:10:24] <RingtailedFox>	brb
[02:14:15] <AaronSchulz>	RingtailedFox: set $wgUseTidy = true;
[02:15:41] <brion>	^demon: super, will take a look over it when it's not friday night :D
[02:15:45] <brion>	ok guys i'm heading out
[02:16:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Contributions from major UK ISPs being assigned to the same two IP addresses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16569  (10chenzhengwei2002)
[02:16:34] <TimStarling>	anyone know a good US-based VPS host?
[02:16:43] <^demon>	brion: Thanks, have a good one.
[02:16:49] <AaronSchulz>	brion: bye
[02:16:57] <^demon>	TimStarling: I haven't had any problems with LiquidWeb
[02:17:15] <brion>	i used johncompanies.com on my old server, but since we had problems with them and i moved to sago i'm not sure i'd recommend em ;)
[02:17:20] <RingtailedFox>	it is set to true
[02:17:28] <RingtailedFox>	$wgUseTidy=true;
[02:17:29] <RingtailedFox>	$wgTidyBin='/home1/mobianle/www/wiki/w/extensions/tidy/tidy';
[02:18:03] <TimStarling>	Angela's been pushing me to consolidate her websites (there's about 10 of them), and I wouldn't mind having a blog of my own
[02:18:17] <^demon>	RingtailedFox: Tidy is installed there?
[02:18:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Thumbnails redirect to Main Page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16244  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[02:18:53] <TimStarling>	so I'm looking for a VPS that can do MediaWiki and some other stuff
[02:19:19] <RingtailedFox>	yes
[02:19:34] <^demon>	:-\
[02:19:37] <RingtailedFox>	?
[02:20:06] <AaronSchulz>	RingtailedFox: comment out the $wgTidyBin setting
[02:20:22] <RingtailedFox>	ok
[02:22:39] <werdnum>	TimStarling: I use systeminplace.net, and they've been great, except this minor "security breach" thing.
[02:22:55] <werdnum>	had an ex-employee get in and wipe all the servers.
[02:23:01] <werdnum>	presumably they forgot to deactivate his account.
[02:23:32] <AaronSchulz>	RingtailedFox: what happens?
[02:23:53] <werdnum>	Unlimited bandwidth, too -- so long as it's not too crazy.
[02:23:56] <RingtailedFox>	i dunno. my connections's crewed up
[02:24:10] <RingtailedFox>	i can't access anything in my browser, but amsn and xchat are working o.O
[02:24:19] <AaronSchulz>	also note that $wgTidyBin is a path, not a dir
[02:24:28] <RingtailedFox>	yes
[02:24:36] <RingtailedFox>	tidy (binary app) was locatd in tidy (folder0
[02:24:51] <TimStarling>	werdnum: what sort of hosting do you have there?
[02:26:09] <werdnum>	TimStarling: I'm running a Ubuntu server in their Freenode datacentre, with 256 MB of RAM, 10 GB of disk space.
[02:26:12] <werdnum>	erm
[02:26:13] <werdnum>	Fremont*
[02:26:15] <werdnum>	not Freenode.
[02:29:17] <werdnum>	TimStarling: it's reasonably cheap, US$15/month.
[02:33:02] <Merlissimo>	is it possible to create a new section with wiki syntax without using headings, so that ich can refer to this section in the section parameter of index.php
[02:46:40] <TimStarling>	no
[02:47:08] <werdnum>	You *could*... <div style="display: none;">
[02:47:11] <werdnum>	== Heading ==
[02:47:13] <werdnum>	</div>
[02:47:41] <Merlissimo>	werdnum thx
[02:48:26] <werdnum>	but that's not very elegant...
[02:48:30] <Merlissimo>	works with ==== Head ==== - at higher level the line is stell displayed
[02:49:04] <Merlissimo>	does not need to be elegant ;-)
[02:49:40] <werdnum>	try visibility: hidden;, otherwise I don't know.
[03:13:41] <Splarka>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_activity.cgi?id=14404  heh, lots of people interested in the fate of int: it seems
[03:19:24] <Merlissimo>	where in bugzilla can i report a wrong variable translation?
[03:20:18] <Merlissimo>	(with further work that it has to be corrected in all wp articles)
[03:21:08] <Splarka>	which message/language?
[03:21:18] <Merlissimo>	german 
[03:21:26] <Merlissimo>	{{SUBJECTSPACE}} oder {{HAUPTSEITE}}
[03:21:26] <Merlissimo>	{{SUBJECTPAGENAME}} oder {{HAUPTNAMENSRAUM}}
[03:21:39] <Merlissimo>	it has to be switched
[03:22:23] <Merlissimo>	space = namensraum and pagename = seite would be correct in german
[03:23:10] <Splarka>	ahh, ouch, changing translated variables is a pain, since it breaks all usages thereof in all german content wikis, unless permanent aliases are kept forever X_X
[03:24:17] <Splarka>	(unless it is a very recent change)
[03:24:37] <Merlissimo>	yes, thats why it should corrected soon
[03:25:35] <Splarka>	hmm, it is from beta wiki, from two weeks ago
[03:25:51] <Splarka>	you should probably go there (or pokle siebrand when he wakes up)
[03:25:53] <Merlissimo>	but all usage has the be checked if it is used the way expecting or used as what it is returning
[03:26:46] <Splarka>	'subjectspace' => array( '1', 'HAUPTSEITE', 'SUBJECTSPACE', 'ARTICLESPACE' ), 
[03:26:46] <Splarka>	'subjectpagename' => array( '1', 'HAUPTNAMENSRAUM', 'SUBJECTPAGENAME', 'ARTICLEPAGENAME' ),
[03:27:02] <Merlissimo>	perhaps the translation should be removed from http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilfe:Variablen, so that there is no new usage until it is fixed
[03:27:37] <Merlissimo>	that would be correct
[03:29:01] <Splarka>	hmm, well, that's what I see in MessagesDe.php now
[03:29:10] <Splarka>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesDe.php?view=annotate
[03:29:16] <Splarka>	line 243 and 233
[03:29:52] <Merlissimo>	but in the live dewiki system it is wrong
[03:29:53] <Splarka>	changing that page would be a subject for #wikipedia-de
[03:30:03] <Merlissimo>	you can test at http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spezial:Vorlagen_expandieren
[03:30:38] <Merlissimo>	i will remove the german translation for a while - the page is not protected, so i can do
[03:31:03] *Splarka 	checks somethin
[03:32:29] <Splarka>	ahh yes
[03:32:29] <Splarka>	'subjectpagename' => array( '1', 'HAUPTNAMENSRAUM', 'SUBJECTPAGENAME', 'ARTICLEPAGENAME' ),
[03:32:29] <Splarka>	'subjectspace' => array( '1', 'HAUPTSEITE', 'SUBJECTSPACE', 'ARTICLESPACE' ),
[03:32:32] <Splarka>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesDe.php?annotate=43599
[03:32:42] <Splarka>	that is the revision currently live on Wikimedia
[03:32:57] <Merlissimo>	also {{SUBJECTSPACEE}} oder {{HAUPTSEITE_URL}}
[03:33:05] <Merlissimo>	and {{SUBJECTPAGENAMEE}} oder {{HAUPTNAMENSRAUM_URL}}
[03:33:26] <Splarka>	or, wait, hmm
[03:35:58] *Splarka 	confused, the latest change is live
[03:36:11] <Splarka>	http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spezial:Version  is at r43634
[03:36:58] <Splarka>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesDe.php?revision=43634&content-type=text%2Fplain shows  'subjectspace'          => array( '1', 'HAUPTSEITE', 'SUBJECTSPACE', 'ARTICLESPACE' ),
[03:37:16] <Splarka>	and you said that is correct earlier?
[03:37:17] <RingtailedFox>	ok. disabling TidyBin did nothing
[03:37:43] <Merlissimo>	space is called "namenraum" in german
[03:38:05] <Splarka>	ahh, <Merlissimo> that would be correct
[03:38:07] <Merlissimo>	so subjectspace = Hauptnamenraum
[03:38:13] <Splarka>	you didn't mean the stuff I pasted, I guess?
[03:38:48] <Splarka>	okay, this is an issue for #wikipedia-de and betawiki I think, hmm
[03:38:50] <Merlissimo>	ups my misstake
[03:39:05] <Splarka>	hang on, lemme find the translator on beta
[03:41:00] <Splarka>	http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=MediaWiki:Sp-translate-data-MagicWords/de&action=history
[03:41:12] <Splarka>	seems it was added by Revolus in the initial creation there
[03:41:49] <RingtailedFox>	brb
[03:43:14] <Merlissimo>	the variables we are talking aboud are not on that page
[03:44:59] <Merlissimo>	ah not when you view the source only in message view ;-)
[03:45:18] <Splarka>	well, that page is where the translation is submitted before being put into the software
[03:46:54] <Splarka>	[02:14:15] <AaronSchulz>	RingtailedFox: set $wgUseTidy = true;
[03:47:00] <Merlissimo>	so only revolus can change this? (Raymond is busy this weekend)
[03:47:00] <Splarka>	hah, a few more times today
[03:47:18] <Splarka>	well, no, he can't change it, any committer can, but he is responsible
[03:48:18] <Splarka>	but changing it immediately (like, in the next few minutes) won't help, as wikimedia sites are only updated to the live version every few days (at most 1~2 weeks)
[03:49:47] <Merlissimo>	if more time expires more people will use it the wrong way
[03:50:15] <Merlissimo>	can Tim help in this case?
[03:50:16] *Splarka 	nods
[03:50:47] <Splarka>	if you can convince him lives are at stake ^_^
[03:50:54] *Splarka 	hides
[03:51:12] <MZMcBride>	Hello world.
[03:51:58] <Merlissimo>	the other variables {{TALKSPACE}} oder {{DISKUSSIONSNAMENSRAUM}} are correct ;-)
[03:52:10] <Merlissimo>	TimStarling can you help?
[03:52:42] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Global transclusion/userpage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16575 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (Chippi_75)
[03:52:52] <MZMcBride>	That's surely a dupe...
[03:53:05] <Splarka>	but if you want to bypass proper translation channels, you'll also have to be convincing that your version of the translation is the correct one (and not just your opinion), and that it was a mistake, and not done on purpose for some obscure reason (like legacy issues, lots of badly naned things stick around because of that)
[03:53:45] <Splarka>	(NEW) Global wiki, everybody learn english
[03:55:35] <Merlissimo>	betawiki is not in sul?
[03:55:52] <MZMcBride>	No.
[03:56:16] <MZMcBride>	Betawiki is not a Wikimedia wiki.
[03:57:02] <Splarka>	blah
[03:57:10] <Splarka>	bring them into the fold already, one of us, one of us
[03:57:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Global transclusion/userpage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16575  (10mikelifeguard)
[03:57:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Reasonably efficient interwiki transclusion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9890  (10mikelifeguard)
[04:02:57] <Merlissimo>	i'll inform rovolus
[04:04:07] <Merlissimo>	i cannot logon beta wiki (ip blocked)
[04:07:58] <Splarka>	#mediawiki-i18n ?
[04:41:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Global transclusion/userpage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16575  (10cirt.wik)
[05:45:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Weaken DISPLAYTITLE restictions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12998  (10N/A)
[06:36:12] <wmr>	how to display to fill the category's page?
[07:00:20] <Daedalus969>	Is it possible to ask if a thread exists?
[07:00:52] <Daedalus969>	I mean, sure, we have {{#ifexist:  but that only works on pages.
[07:15:03] <werdnum>	Daedalus969: what do you mean a 'thread'
[07:15:06] <werdnum>	you mean a section?
[07:15:30] <Daedalus969>	yes
[07:15:56] <Daedalus969>	Since the watching of sections is impossible, I was thinking of a way to figure out if a thread was active or not
[07:16:19] <Daedalus969>	*section
[07:16:25] <werdnum>	You could always check the page ;)
[07:16:44] <Daedalus969>	well, Ya, but with pages like AN/I, watching becomes impossible
[07:17:07] <Daedalus969>	having to sort through the numerous changes made to it every day, it becomes a task in itself
[07:17:29] <werdnum>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:AN/I#Your_section_name
[07:17:29] <werdnum>	:)
[07:17:49] <Daedalus969>	If you mean to insert that into {{#ifexist:
[07:17:55] <Daedalus969>	it doesn't work, tried it already
[07:18:02] <werdnum>	no, of course nopt
[07:18:03] <werdnum>	not*
[07:18:09] <werdnum>	I mean visit that link and see if anything's changed.
[07:18:39] <Daedalus969>	Well, I was hoping to archive recognition at a glance, instead of through actions
[07:19:19] <Daedalus969>	say a templated table, listing the page, the section, and a yes/no depending on whether or not that thread exists on the page currently
[07:19:31] <Daedalus969>	*section(sorry, habit)
[07:19:47] <werdnum>	Somebody could easily write a bot or an external tool to do it.
[07:20:14] <Daedalus969>	Hrm
[07:20:23] <Daedalus969>	I wouldn't see a bot getting approved
[07:20:36] <Daedalus969>	and I don't know php :/
[07:20:48] <werdnum>	You don't need to know PHP to write an external tool.
[07:21:56] <Daedalus969>	Well, I still need to know -some- programming language that isn't wiki parser functions
[07:22:11] <Daedalus969>	and wiki parser functions are all I know in terms of moderate programming
[07:22:54] <Daedalus969>	and even then, I don't think an external tool would archive what I hope to accomplish
[07:23:33] <werdnum>	sure it could.
[07:23:37] <Pathoschild>	"a templated table, listing the page, the section, and a yes/no depending on whether or not that thread exists on the page currently"
[07:23:45] <werdnum>	Just analyse each edit to given pages, and you could break them up by sections.
[07:23:50] <werdnum>	oh no, not that.
[07:23:52] <Pathoschild>	That would be easy to do, with the API which can output a list of sections.
[07:24:07] <Pathoschild>	A section-by-section watchlist would be less easy, but possible.
[07:24:24] <werdnum>	I'm talking generally about the problem of breaking up histories by section.
[07:24:31] <werdnum>	No, a section-by-section watchlist is very difficult.
[07:24:44] <werdnum>	What happens if somebody renames the section>?
[07:24:53] <Daedalus969>	In theory, I'm basically creating a section watchlist, but it only displays whether a section exists or not, not whether there has been a change, or not
[07:24:56] <Pathoschild>	Then you have a new section.
[07:25:01] <werdnum>	That's stupid.
[07:25:08] <Daedalus969>	and my goal was to transclude this, from a template, into a wikipage
[07:25:53] <Daedalus969>	Okay,
[07:26:19] <Daedalus969>	sections are basically assigned a number, but that number is dynam..   nevermind
[07:26:57] <Pathoschild>	A really easy way for a script to watch for new comments is to read a page for dates in each section, then display a list of all/watched sections with their last signature date, possibly highlighting changes since a given date (which could be button click, like MediaWiki's "Mark all pages visited").
[07:27:37] <Splarka>	"read a page for dates in each section"... most sections don't have dates, like in the main namespace
[07:28:10] <Daedalus969>	The implementation for this was targetted at talk page discussions
[07:28:38] <Pathoschild>	Yes, it would be aimed at following discussions on heavily-edited pages.
[07:29:17] <Splarka>	would it be possible to simply have #ifsection, or #ifexist check sections? like {{#ifexist:Foo#Bar|[[Foo#Bar]]|[[Foo]]}}, many uses, but possibly 'expensive' (or needing schema change)
[07:29:31] <Splarka>	(thread hijack, omg)
[07:30:15] <Daedalus969>	*Heavily edited pages
[07:30:24] <Daedalus969>	sorry about that discrepency
[07:33:51] <Daedalus969>	Oh, and Splarka, unless that is directed towards Tim, I tried to see if #ifexist checked sections, and it did not
[07:34:31] <Splarka>	obviously it doesn't yes
[07:35:31] *Splarka 	puts "internationalizatioN NonrepresentationaL PsychopathologicaL HandcraftsmanshiP HyperventilatioN NeurotoxicologY ElectrosurgerY QuestionnairE QuarterstafF FreewheeleD SubjugateD JukeboxeS JigsaweD DyeweeD DuckeD EmbeD" on a Super Scrabble board in a spiral, runs out of vowels to reach the middle
[07:37:12] <Daedalus969>	Just wanted to clarify, sorry
[08:07:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Weaken DISPLAYTITLE restictions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12998  (10skjackey.tse)
[08:18:24] <werdnum>	!phpsucks
[08:18:24] --mwbot--	http://www.tnx.nl/php.html
[08:49:26] <Splarka>	werdnum: I'll give you a dollar if you talk brion into contracting you for your next project to deprecate htmlTidy (or remove the requirements of it in the sense of it creating a different parser, it can still have function for general tag cleanup, but the parser tricks that require it make sucky dependencies) 
[08:50:09] <werdnum>	ew, you want me to willingly touch the parser?
[08:50:16] <werdnum>	My next job is the Abuse Filter, anyway.
[08:50:39] *Splarka 	holds up a dollar temptingly
[09:06:19] <phuzion>	Is there a way to make a link that creates a new page?
[09:06:45] <phuzion>	Just like "New Topic" or "New Thread' does on just about every forum ever made
[09:10:10] <Splarka>	sort of
[09:10:31] <Splarka>	[[Foo]] will link to index.php?title=Foo&action=edit but after it is created it just exists
[09:10:51] <phuzion>	Yeah, I want to be able to have an input for the page title on the edit for the page, too
[09:11:07] <Splarka>	{{fullurl:Foo|action=edit}} will link to the edit page all the time
[09:11:08] <phuzion>	Like, you know how when you make a new thread on a forum, you also set the thread title on the same page?
[09:11:22] <Splarka>	{{fullurl:Foo|action=edit&section=new}} will link to a new blank section edit, but only appended to the end of the page
[09:11:28] <Splarka>	ahh
[09:11:44] <Splarka>	you want InputBox then
[09:11:53] <phuzion>	?
[09:12:23] <phuzion>	Extension:Inputbox?
[09:12:30] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:InputBox
[09:12:43] <Splarka>	> type=create
[09:13:08] <Dantman>	Noooo
[09:13:15] <Dantman>	!e CreatePage
[09:13:15] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CreatePage
[09:13:47] <Dantman>	Inputbox is evil... obsolete...... and just, bleh
[09:14:26] <Splarka>	you claim most of mediawiki is
[09:14:29] <phuzion>	yeah, and CreatePage is nonexistant
[09:14:29] <Dantman>	^_^ Actually, I think it caused me some PHP errors after an update, so I removed it from my own hosting
[09:14:40] <Dantman>	Ack, wrong name
[09:14:44] <werdnum>	Dantman: that's because it changed from inputbox to InputBox.
[09:14:45] <Splarka>	InputBox works, it is used on all wikimedia sites, and it is trusted
[09:14:45] <Dantman>	!e CreateBox
[09:14:45] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CreateBox
[09:14:58] <Splarka>	(or almost all)
[09:15:05] <werdnum>	I think Trevor or Ariel did a bit of work on it.
[09:15:24] <Dantman>	^_^ Ya, I thought that was "inputbox" to "Inputbox", I got that wrong and didn't have a good reason to hunt down the real issue
[09:18:18] <phuzion>	So, what are the pros and cons of each extension?
[09:18:24] <phuzion>	I want something that is DEAD FUCKING SIMPLE to use
[09:18:47] <phuzion>	because I'm dealing with people aged from 19 to 50+, and this is in a corporate world
[09:19:11] <phuzion>	where unless it's PUT TAB A INTO SLOT B simple, they call my ass and go "how can i create paeg dur"
[09:19:59] <Splarka>	InputBox is used by millions, even if they don't know it
[09:20:14] <Splarka>	type in the box, push the button
[09:22:05] <phuzion>	Splarka, thanks, I'm installing it now
[09:24:02] <phuzion>	Splarka, thanks.  That's awesome
[10:31:40] <_wooz>	lo
[10:53:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Contributions from major UK ISPs being assigned to the same two IP addresses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16569  (10duncan.hill1)
[11:53:43] <Nikerabbit>	http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=FreeCol:Model.unit.shipSunkByBombardment/en&oldid=711574 who broke what?
[11:55:41] <Nikerabbit>	shit, demon's not here
[11:58:50] <Splarka>	Nikerabbit: rar, (also, see scrollback a few hours ago for talk about apparently badly-translated magicword (variable) in MessagesDe)
[12:07:42] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: saw it, why?
[12:08:48] <Splarka>	wondering your opinion, is it worth an immediate commit (from you or sie), and then pokling tim/bri to scap up MessagesDe?
[12:09:06] <Splarka>	(if it is the proper translation that is)
[12:09:29] <Splarka>	since it is swapping variables' translations, the longer it goes uncorrected the harder it is to go back and fix, etc
[12:19:33] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: may be or may not be, the regular cycle should take only few days, if wmf is scapped soon enough and not next year next time
[12:19:56] <Nikerabbit>	shortcircuiting it means *much* extra effort, especially to get it live on wmf
[12:20:45] <Nikerabbit>	btw the comments at Special:Code acts weird, when replying, it shows the reply both under the message you are replying to, and at the bottom of the page
[12:22:17] <Merlissimo>	ChrisPK has changed it a few hour ago after my request ;-)
[12:27:36] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: and considering the resources we have... it is not worth it unless someone else is volunteering to push it forward after we commit
[12:27:58] *Splarka 	nods
[12:48:33] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) cortado should provide API close to html5 <video> element - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16519  +comment (10maikmerten)
[12:53:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Contributions from major UK ISPs being assigned to the same two IP addresses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16569  (10duncan.hill1)
[12:57:28] <Allard>	hi
[12:58:44] <Allard>	Is mediawiki package free to download?
[12:58:52] <Allard>	Or do I have to buy a license?
[12:59:21] <buzz_>	Welcome to MediaWiki.org
[12:59:21] <buzz_>	MediaWiki is a free software wiki package originally written for Wikipedia. It is now used by several other projects of the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation and by many other wikis, including this website, the home of MediaWiki. 
[12:59:40] <buzz_>	with a download link. so.. 
[13:00:40] <Allard>	owhe
[13:00:46] <Allard>	how do i install?
[13:00:50] <Merlissimo>	downloads costs depends on you provider if you do not have a flatrate ;-)
[13:00:52] <Allard>	need mysql?
[13:01:26] <buzz_>	did oyu click download ? if you do, you will see links to documentation etc
[13:01:34] <Allard>	kk
[13:02:11] <buzz_>	sorry but i just get the feeling, you are asking here before even looking at the package. which is the wrong order
[13:02:50] <buzz_>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Installation
[13:05:01] <lch>	can I put a magic word into a page so that it doesn't show up in search results?
[13:07:45] <buzz_>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Lockdown/hiding_pages ?
[13:08:03] <buzz_>	might be out of date though
[13:08:28] <lch>	patches are bad
[13:08:51] <Splarka>	there is __NOINDEX__ but that only blocks it from external searches (IIRC)
[13:09:08] <lch>	yeah, I guess so
[13:09:14] <buzz_>	well it might be the only way to do it with a patch.
[13:09:29] <lch>	ok thanks for the info
[13:09:30] <buzz_>	so bad or not, you might have to do that
[13:09:55] <buzz_>	or opena  bug report for a feature request, (attaching some code if you make a change)
[13:09:58] <buzz_>	you never know. might get in
[13:12:37] <lch>	I guess there are more important things, just wanted to know if this is already possible
[13:13:21] <lch>	there's one bug report that I wanted to write for a while, but I don't run the newest MediaWiki, so I don't know if the behaviour is already fixed...
[13:13:50] <Duesentrieb>	lch: test on wikipedia?
[13:14:32] <lch>	TimStarling added an option to enable "move without redirects" on a Wiki, and it works well, but only for the page you're moving, subpages and Talk pages still place redirects - anybody knows if this is an issue in 1.14 too?
[13:15:05] <sprax_>	strange, disconnected there if anyone replied I didnt see
[13:15:16] <lch>	I don't know if I should start moving things on Wikipedia just to test...
[13:15:47] <lch>	and I'd doubt that the option is active there, too
[13:43:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Remove hardcoded limit from Special:Whatlinkshere - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16559   +need-review +patch (10danny.b)
[13:47:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Why not clicking icons in "Login successful" jump to main page of project - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16563  +comment (10danny.b)
[13:57:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Contributions from major UK ISPs being assigned to the same two IP addresses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16569  (10matthew.britton)
[14:05:36] <Donald-teh-Duck>	hi :) I am trying to render svg graphics in mediawiki 1.13.2-1. $wgSVGConverters= "rsvg"; But it returns only this: Error creating thumbnail: /srv/http/mediawiki/bin/ulimit4.sh: line 4: r: command not found <- why is it only using the first letter? o_O
[14:08:17] <Reedy>	!svg
[14:08:17] --mwbot--	For more information regarding SVGs in MediaWiki, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/SVG>.
[14:08:24] <Reedy>	(for my laziness)
[14:08:46] <Platonides>	Donald-teh-Duck, a bug on ulimit4.sh ?
[14:09:42] <Reedy>	is it rsvg for you? or rsvg-convert
[14:13:09] <Donald-teh-Duck>	Reedy: whereis rsvg returns rsvg: /usr/bin/rsvg
[14:16:06] <Reedy>	hmm
[14:16:14] <Reedy>	so that'd be in your path.
[14:18:01] <Donald-teh-Duck>	I didn't modify my ulimit4.sh but the bug seems to be there
[14:18:15] <Reedy>	presumably latest version?
[14:19:05] <Donald-teh-Duck>	what do you mean? I am running mediawiki version 1.13.2-1 and the file is from there.
[14:22:08] <Platonides>	you're not running the official mediawiki
[14:22:25] <Platonides>	it has been modified by your distribution
[14:22:55] <Platonides>	do you ?
[14:23:02] <Donald-teh-Duck>	hmm you think so? archlinux tries to ship its packages as unmodified as possible afaik
[14:23:13] <Donald-teh-Duck>	but i'll go download the official one and compare the files
[14:23:25] <Platonides>	mediawiki ulimit4.sh is http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/bin/ulimit4.sh?revision=21537&view=markup
[14:23:59] <Platonides>	a bit hard to be wrong :/
[14:24:57] <Donald-teh-Duck>	thank you. well thats equal to my ulimit4.sh.
[14:26:37] <Donald-teh-Duck>	so what do I do now?
[14:27:07] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) A problem in the combination DPL 1.7.4 and MW1. 13 using Chinese interface - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16576 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: DynamicPageList; (roc.no1)
[14:27:20] <Donald-teh-Duck>	this also happens when I enter inkscape - just with the i letter.
[14:30:54] <Reedy_>	almost like its truncating the filename
[14:31:05] <Reedy_>	try one of the array ways as above...
[14:31:10] <Reedy_>	(on the link)
[14:31:13] <Reedy_>	it might help
[14:34:05] <Donald-teh-Duck>	now it returns a completely different picture o_O
[14:34:06] <Donald-teh-Duck>	but no error message
[14:34:22] <Donald-teh-Duck>	hm I guess I'll save myself the trouble and use pngs :)
[14:34:25] <Reedy_>	lol
[14:34:41] <Donald-teh-Duck>	thanks for your help :)
[14:41:32] <p858snake>	and that my friends is what you call a netspilt >.>
[14:51:21] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[14:58:02] <Celt>	what is charset on this channel ?
[14:58:54] <Wuzur>	Celt: I'd say that charset as the users in it have actived, mainly utf-8
[15:01:03] <Nikerabbit>	nobody has ever complained about using utf-8 here
[15:01:48] <Celt>	sorry  on  my  very bad eglish.. who speack Russian ? 
[15:03:10] <Mufka>	Is there a talk page that discusses changes such as talk page footers for en?
[15:03:47] <p858snake>	Village pump would probably be your best bet
[15:03:52] <Nikerabbit>	Mufka: like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Anontalkpagetext ?
[15:04:25] <Celt>	По русски кто-нибудь говорит ?
[15:04:45] <Mufka>	Nikerabbit: I think that's it.  thanks.
[15:05:19] <Nikerabbit>	I can read some russian, but not write it
[15:07:21] <Celt>	Nikerabbit: i'm too , but Enlish bad wrte(grammar errors) :(
[15:08:35] <Celt>	integration mediawiki on e_107 .... Who try it ?
[15:10:24] <Celt>	intefration  registration  page ...  Or bridge  on user registration 
[15:20:37] <Celt>	VasilievVV: hi ) speak russian  ? 
[15:21:25] <VasilievVV>	Celt: yeah
[15:22:35] <Celt>	VasilievVV: )) не  пробовал  вики с e_107 интгрировать или невидал  ли где нибудь готовое решение этому
[15:22:46] <VasilievVV>	e_107?
[15:22:53] <VasilievVV>	Не слышал про такое
[15:23:03] <Celt>	VasilievVV: да  e107.org
[15:23:24] <VasilievVV>	Нет :(
[15:23:35] <Celt>	VasilievVV:  потомок нюка как и хупс
[15:25:13] <Celt>	VasilievVV: плохо  ((  просто  я сделал интеграцию  но  только  юзверей  а как с правами быть хз
[15:25:53] <VasilievVV>	Celt: с правами в какую сторону? Из MW в e107 или обратно?
[15:26:42] <Celt>	VasilievVV: из e107 в mw
[15:30:16] <Celt>	VasilievVV:  полный  набор у меня e107+smf(мост официальный) +(galery2+lightbox)+ mw(немогу права ей из e107 передать )
[15:32:41] <VasilievVV>	Celt: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/UserGetRights
[15:45:43] <Celt>	VasilievVV: спасибо ) а насчёт  имени страниц от /  незнаешь как сделать ?
[15:46:50] <VasilievVV>	В смысле от /?
[15:49:19] <Celt>	VasilievVV:  ну что выглядило примерно так  http://blabla.bla/wiki/страница а не /index.php/страница
[15:49:34] <VasilievVV>	!shorturl | Celt
[15:49:34] --mwbot--	Celt: To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL>. There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem
[15:54:20] <Celt>	VasilievVV: спасибо )
[16:06:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) cortado should provide API close to html5 <video> element - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16519  (10maikmerten)
[16:31:47] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) References are not shown to Anons when they don' t have edit permissions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11224  +comment (10jhcwilson)
[16:52:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Contributions from major UK ISPs being assigned to the same two IP addresses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16569  (10N/A)
[16:54:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Contributions from major UK ISPs being assigned to the same two IP addresses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16569  (10majorly.wiki)
[17:08:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Contributions from major UK ISPs being assigned to the same two IP addresses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16569  (10matthew.britton)
[17:12:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Contributions from major UK ISPs being assigned to the same two IP addresses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16569  (10N/A)
[17:12:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Contributions from major UK ISPs being assigned to the same two IP addresses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16569  (10matthew.britton)
[17:13:41] <sprax_>	is there a template to force the TOC to generate?
[17:13:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) cortado should provide API close to html5 <video> element - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16519  (10j)
[17:22:32] <rakekniven>	i have no chance to enable math support on my mediawiki installation. How can I disable math button in edit toolbar?
[17:36:12] <RoanKattouw>	sprax_: __TOC__
[17:51:24] <miniBill>	on all wikimedia sites
[17:51:34] <miniBill>	there is that "banner" for fundraising
[17:51:40] <miniBill>	how can I add one to my wiki?
[17:53:30] <RoanKattouw>	!sitenotice
[17:53:30] --mwbot--	Sitenotice is a wiki-wide message that appears at the top of the page for all users. It is editable by users in the sysop usergroup at [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]]. See also: !anonnotice
[17:53:58] <miniBill>	ty
[17:54:05] <miniBill>	!anonnotice
[17:54:05] --mwbot--	Anonnotice is a wiki-wide message viewable by all logged out users at the top of every page. Similar to sitenotice, if anonnotice exists only logged out users will see anonnotice and only logged in users will see Sitenotice, they will not see each other. Anonnotice is editable by sysops at [[MediaWiki:Anonnotice]]. See also: !sitenotice
[17:57:16] <sprax_>	RoanKattouw thanks much
[17:57:37] <sprax_>	How can I add the show / hide to my tables?
[17:57:51] <sprax_>	Specifically my custom templates
[17:58:15] <RoanKattouw>	Look at how Wikipedia templates do it
[17:58:24] <RoanKattouw>	You might have to copy some CSS or JS to make it work
[17:59:42] <sprax_>	thank you
[18:00:36] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Weaken DISPLAYTITLE restictions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12998  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[18:04:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Install extension "Quiz" on sv.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16528  (10jsdo1980)
[18:11:30] <miniBill>	{{#ifexist is not working on my wiki
[18:11:36] <miniBill>	it just returns 0
[18:11:42] <miniBill>	even for pages in the main namespace
[18:11:49] <RoanKattouw>	miniBill: Example of usage?
[18:12:20] <miniBill>	{{#ifexist: {{FULLPAGENAME}} | 1 | 0 }}{{#ifexist: Bar | 1 | 0 }}{{#ifexist: Nope | 1 | 0 }}
[18:12:25] <miniBill>	the result is 0 0 0
[18:12:31] <miniBill>	and the page named Bar exists
[18:12:48] <RickP>	Show/Hide Tables (Collapsible), here is a link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Collapsible_tables
[18:13:16] <RoanKattouw>	miniBill: Lose the space between : and the pagename
[18:13:30] <RoanKattouw>	You're probably checking for [[ Nope]] instead of [[Nope]]
[18:13:44] <miniBill>	still 0 0 0
[18:13:47] <RoanKattouw>	sprax_: See what RickP said just now about show/hide
[18:14:03] <RoanKattouw>	miniBill: And the space between the name and | too, I guess
[18:14:10] <miniBill>	still 0 0 0
[18:14:14] <miniBill>	{{#ifexist:{{FULLPAGENAME}}| 1 | 0 }}{{#ifexist:Bar| 1 | 0 }}{{#ifexist:Nope| 1 | 0 }}
[18:14:35] <RoanKattouw>	[[Bar]] and [[Nope]] exist then?
[18:15:07] <miniBill>	only Bar
[18:16:30] <miniBill>	(btw #if is working correctly)
[18:16:44] <RoanKattouw>	Weird
[18:17:02] <RoanKattouw>	Are you sure there aren't too many (say 100) {{#ifexist:}}s before those on the same page?
[18:17:25] <miniBill>	only this 3 ones
[18:17:38] <RickP>	Simple collaspible table structure: {| class="wikitable collapsible"  !  |-  |  |}  (just need to put style/conent are different lines
[18:18:11] <RoanKattouw>	miniBill: Maybe through template transclusions?
[18:18:17] <miniBill>	http://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php?title=User:MiniBill/Sandbox
[18:18:23] <miniBill>	no templates used
[18:18:37] <miniBill>	or at least
[18:18:38] <RickP>	style/content on different lines (typooooos)
[18:18:46] <miniBill>	no templates using ifexist
[18:19:12] <miniBill>	even with no templates at all
[18:19:15] <miniBill>	still 0 0 0
[18:23:25] <miniBill>	any idea?
[18:25:03] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) MediaWiki:Revision-info should accept wikimarkup - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16026  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[18:27:32] <miniBill>	:(
[18:34:09] <RickP>	@minibill does just {{#ifexist:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|1|0|}} work?
[18:35:16] <miniBill>	no
[18:35:33] <miniBill>	http://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php/User:MiniBill/Sandbox
[18:37:52] <miniBill>	:((((((((((((((((((((((((
[18:46:32] <RickP>	@minibill...copied your code to my machine...works fine ?????
[18:47:06] <miniBill>	which version of the extension have you got?
[18:48:00] <facefaceface>	hi
[18:48:14] <facefaceface>	whats the recommended method of 'importing' images after MW upgrade?
[18:48:25] <RickP>	1.1.1
[18:48:38] <facefaceface>	I figure I can just copy across the images directory, but is that advisable?
[18:49:41] <facefaceface>	I can't find anything dealing with this in the docs
[18:49:51] <facefaceface>	for example: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading_MediaWiki 
[18:49:53] <facefaceface>	no joy
[18:50:18] <facefaceface>	it says nothing about images, which I find surprising (other than that you should back them up
[18:50:38] <Skizzerz>	facefaceface: did you dump/restore the old db?
[18:50:56] <facefaceface>	Skizzerz, no I just 'installed on top of' the DB
[18:51:11] <facefaceface>	passed the old DB to the forms for the installer
[18:51:18] <Skizzerz>	then you should be fine
[18:51:30] <facefaceface>	fine copying over the image dir you mean?
[18:51:44] <Skizzerz>	yes... it shouldn't have been overwritten to begin with though
[18:51:52] <facefaceface>	Skizzerz, it wasn't 
[18:51:57] <facefaceface>	its just in the wrong place now
[18:52:00] <Skizzerz>	ah
[18:52:05] <Skizzerz>	then yeah, just copy the images dir
[18:52:17] <facefaceface>	thanks again - that info should be in the man
[18:53:17] <Skizzerz>	well... generally you upload the new version's files on top of the old version's files, so the directory structure doesn't change/get moved (obviously backing up the old files first just in case)
[18:54:35] <facefaceface>	yeah, I don't like to do that because I hacked LocalSettings so much... recently I have taken to defining 'AdditionalSettings.php' and just including that 
[18:54:50] <facefaceface>	(this is an old setup where I didn't adopt that convention yet)
[19:00:39] <RoanKattouw>	facefaceface: LocalSettings isn't touched by upgrades
[19:01:07] <facefaceface>	RoanKattouw, oh yeah... it just waits to be copied into the right place...
[19:01:18] <facefaceface>	somehow I still don't like the idea of overwriting all my old files
[19:01:25] <facefaceface>	but if it work it works
[19:01:34] <facefaceface>	I like the new special pages 
[19:03:35] <facefaceface>	btw, I noticed a nice 'completion' ajax thingy on MW, how is that done? where to read about the extension and its config?
[19:04:21] <facefaceface>	I seem to remember there is a 'default behaviour' which is really bad
[19:04:36] <facefaceface>	has that been updated to the behaviour seen on MW?
[19:04:58] <facefaceface>	something like $wgUseAjaxSearchTermThingy...
[19:05:03] <facefaceface>	its all in the CSS right?
[19:06:33] <facefaceface>	hmm... perhaps I was deranged
[19:07:54] <rakekniven>	Which is the preferred way to modify/expand edit toolbar? I use mw 1.13.2
[19:08:52] <rakekniven>	I found http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js/edit.js Thats a wikipedia page. Is that recommended by mediawiki as well?
[19:13:25] <facefaceface>	rakekniven, I think so... not sure
[19:13:40] <facefaceface>	rakekniven, have you looked at any extensions? they should have related info
[19:17:56] <miniBill>	http://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php/Special:Version
[19:17:57] <miniBill>	:(
[19:18:05] <miniBill>	parserfunctions is 1.1.1
[19:19:10] <facefaceface>	miniBill, is that a quesion?
[19:19:13] <facefaceface>	question
[19:19:52] <miniBill>	I've got the #ifexist function not woklring
[19:20:00] <miniBill>	http://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php/User:MiniBill/Sandbox
[19:20:04] <miniBill>	return always 0
[19:22:02] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) When a blocked user tries to rollback a page, two copies of the block notice are displayed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16577 trivial; normal; MediaWiki: Blocking; (matthew.britton)
[19:25:24] <rakekniven>	facefaceface: Never thought of using an extension for this. Tried things and it works. Only thing is i don't know how to hide/remove buttons. Would like to hear other thoughts before starting to do crazy modifications.
[19:25:54] <facefaceface>	rakekniven, yeah, I figure extensions may have some discussion
[19:26:10] <facefaceface>	rakekniven, afaik its a common thing to do, but I don't know the 'default' way to do it
[19:26:16] <facefaceface>	miniBill, I'm stumped
[19:26:21] <facefaceface>	log a bug
[19:26:28] <facefaceface>	try putting a space there....
[19:26:31] <facefaceface>	try iwthout the #
[19:27:00] <facefaceface>	rakekniven, nobody uses those buttons anyway ;-)
[19:30:21] <facefaceface>	rakekniven, don't see anyting popping up from the manual
[19:30:44] <facefaceface>	can anyone see the favicon here? http://metadatabase.org/
[19:30:54] <facefaceface>	I'm hitting refresh and I think its set correctly
[19:31:19] <rakekniven>	What should it look like?
[19:31:28] <facefaceface>	rakekniven, kinda like a rainbow
[19:31:37] <rakekniven>	no
[19:31:47] <facefaceface>	rakekniven, what can you see?
[19:32:32] <rakekniven>	wait a secon
[19:33:56] <rakekniven>	http://www.rakekniven.de/images/gallery4/index.php?twg_album=diverses%2Fscreenshots&twg_show=tmp.jpeg
[19:34:01] <facefaceface>	this is the path http://metadatabase.org/favicon.ico
[19:34:22] <facefaceface>	ty
[19:34:31] <facefaceface>	rakekniven, I think it should appear now
[19:34:58] <facefaceface>	but cashing is an issue
[19:35:12] <rakekniven>	yes, better now :-)
[19:35:19] <facefaceface>	cool!
[19:35:20] <facefaceface>	ty
[19:35:54] <facefaceface>	alles gut baby
[19:43:19] <miniBill>	How do I edit the text
[19:43:31] <miniBill>	displayed by Extension:CentralNotice
[19:43:31] <miniBill>	?
[19:43:35] <RoanKattouw>	miniBill: Of what?
[19:43:48] <RoanKattouw>	Probably a [[MediaWiki:something]] page
[19:44:34] <miniBill>	RoanKattouw: I can't find out which page
[19:45:34] <Mike_lifeguard>	miniBill: Special:CentralNotice - though I find the whole thing a bit un-user-friendly
[19:45:55] <shahont>	I've recently installed the Auth_phpBB extension (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PHPBB/Users_Integration).  I'm trying to find a way to grant a user sysop/bureaucrat rights, as well, if they are in a particular phpBB group.  Is this possible?
[19:46:21] <miniBill>	http://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php/Special:CentralNotice
[19:46:24] <miniBill>	:(
[19:46:40] <miniBill>	http://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php/Special:Version
[19:46:44] <miniBill>	it's installed though
[19:46:45] <miniBill>	:|
[19:48:57] <Mike_lifeguard>	hmmm, dunno
[19:49:10] <Mike_lifeguard>	are you sure you installed it properly?
[19:49:18] <miniBill>	yes
[19:49:21] <miniBill>	its working
[19:49:24] <miniBill>	the fact is
[19:49:27] <miniBill>	im a sysop
[19:49:30] <RoanKattouw>	Is your version the most recent one?
[19:49:31] <miniBill>	not the wiki owner
[19:49:38] <Mike_lifeguard>	yes, sysop is all you need
[19:49:57] <miniBill>	dunno which version :(
[19:50:07] <RoanKattouw>	Special:Version should sy
[19:50:09] <RoanKattouw>	say
[19:50:45] <Mike_lifeguard>	I think it is probably written specifically for us... I see our project names hardcoded
[19:51:27] <rindolf>	Hi all.
[19:51:51] <rindolf>	Can anyone refer me to the auto-completion plugin that used to be used on wikia.com to complete links?
[19:52:02] <rindolf>	Using AJAX, etc.?
[19:52:40] <miniBill>	RoanKattouw: it doesn't
[19:54:51] <Mike_lifeguard>	Your MediaWiki is 1.11.2, but it doesn't say what version of CentralNotice
[19:55:00] <miniBill>	exactly :(
[20:02:27] <GrapeJelly>	hello
[20:06:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Weaken DISPLAYTITLE restictions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12998  (10N/A)
[20:09:54] <sprax_>	how do I tell what version I have installed?
[20:12:01] <sprax_>	nm found it in release-notes
[21:17:10] <CIA-8>	03ialex * r44275 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/Article.php): (bug 16577) When a blocked user tries to rollback a page, the block message is now only displayed once
[21:17:24] <ialex>	\o/ CIA-8 works
[21:17:29] <ialex>	:)
[21:17:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) When a blocked user tries to rollback a page, two copies of the block notice are displayed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16577  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[21:19:24] <Nikerabbit>	hi ialex
[21:19:38] <ialex>	hello Nikerabbit
[21:36:10] <tgraupmann>	I'm using mediawiki to upload an image, but I get the error: Could not find file "C:\WINDOWS\Temp\php3D3.tmp".  what does it mean?
[21:52:43] <|Acidic32|>	hi how do i change the menu ?
[21:52:51] <|Acidic32|>	to allow for diffrent sections etc
[21:53:27] <ialex>	!sidebar | |Acidic32|
[21:53:27] --mwbot--	|Acidic32|: To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar>.
[21:57:13] <|Acidic32|>	its not workin
[21:57:54] <dD0T>	Hi guys. I was wondering if there's a program which can create a tree of link connections between articles in a mediawiki and create some nice visual for it. Thanks!
[21:57:54] <|Acidic32|>	ahh nvm
[22:12:36] <|Acidic32|>	!html
[22:12:36] --mwbot--	For allowing any and all HTML, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgRawHtml>. This is of course VERY DANGEROUS. Safer options include <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:HTMLets>, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:RawMsg> and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SecureHTML>.
[22:14:06] <Nikerabbit>	dD0T: why do you think it is a tree?
[22:15:30] <dD0T>	Nikerabbit: I don't think it is a tree. I have kind of limited vocabulary when speaking english and I thought tree would describe it in an understandable way. It would of course be more like a map or whatever you could call it....
[22:16:19] <|Acidic32|>	mmm how can i use tables in wiki?
[22:16:21] <|Acidic32|>	!tables
[22:16:21] --mwbot--	For help on creating tables in wikitext, see <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Table> and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Tables>
[22:18:48] <|Acidic32|>	how do i enable tables toolbar button?
[22:20:43] <|Acidic32|>	so many people no one speaking
[22:22:39] <|Acidic32|>	!toc
[22:22:39] --mwbot--	TOC stands for "table of contents". A TOC is shown on every wiki page that is long enough to need one. One can force wiki to show TOC on a page by adding __TOC__ to the wikicode; also, one can prevent a TOC to be shown on a page by adding __NOTOC__ to the page code.
[22:28:25] <|Acidic32|>	!url
[22:28:25] --mwbot--	To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL>. There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem
[22:31:05] <Daedalus969>	does anyone know where the fundraiser banner can be found?
[22:38:34] <jeromegamez>	greetings! is it possible to link the mediawiki users to the linux system users?
[22:39:37] <jeromegamez>	with ldap?
[22:57:22] <j4zzcat>	hello all
[22:57:57] <j4zzcat>	is there a way to cache some data during the edit-preview cycle, and then use it during the save ?
[23:04:24] <RingtailedFox>	i'm having formatting issues with my wiki
[23:04:45] <RingtailedFox>	http://wiki.mobianlegends.com/wiki/Template:NavboxYears
[23:18:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Contributions from major UK ISPs being assigned to the same two IP addresses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16569  (10chaz)
[23:52:08] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) mediawiki 1.13.2 under php 5.2.7 doesn' t allow to save articles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16578 04CRIT; normal; MediaWiki: Documentation; (alex)
[23:57:36] <luna6>	would someone know how to fix this rss error "XML Parsing Error: XML or text declaration not at start of entity" for mediawiki 1.13?