[00:04:25] <Simetrical>	FollowTheMedia, I've heard of the problem before, but I'm not aware of a fix.  #wikimedia-tech is probably a better place to ask.
[00:04:43] <FollowTheMedia>	Thank you very much
[00:07:42] <brion>	werdnum: ok let's look at configure :D
[00:07:50] <werdnum>	yay!
[00:12:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) IRC recent changes feed does not list patrol log entries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16604  +comment (10dungodung)
[00:13:04] <brion>	hmm
[00:13:34] <brion>	werdnum: $wgExemptFromUserRobotsControl is showing up as customized though i haven't touched it yet [just set up db backing for config]
[00:14:30] <brion>	($wgAjaxSearch) "This setting is not available in this version of MediaWiki"
[00:14:34] <brion>	if it's not available don't show it :D
[00:14:44] <werdnum>	oops, holdover from when it was all shown :)
[00:14:57] <brion>	Namespace overrides ($wgExtraNamespaces) This setting has been customised 
[00:15:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) IRC recent changes feed does not list patrol log entries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16604  +comment (10Platonides)
[00:15:39] <brion>	Group rights assignment ($wgGroupPermissions) <- this box is *huge*, it packs in a totally illegible list of every permission key and a description of it for every group
[00:15:56] <werdnum>	So how do you think it should be summarised?
[00:16:05] <werdnum>	(or are you referring to its expanded form)
[00:16:17] <brion>	this is non-expanded!
[00:16:25] <brion>	a clean list of permission keys would probably be ok
[00:16:30] <werdnum>	Okay, so should we just write the permission keys?
[00:16:34] <werdnum>	yeah, can be done.
[00:16:54] <brion>	Local timezone ($wgLocaltimezone) <- showing as customized though i haven't touched it
[00:17:21] <werdnum>	This is weird, half of the settings you mention aren't showing up for me.
[00:17:41] *werdnum 	pokes his config
[00:17:47] <brion>	$wgGroupPermissions['steward']['configure-interwiki'] = true;
[00:17:47] <brion>	$wgGroupPermissions['steward']['configure-all'] = true;
[00:17:55] <brion>	per your earlier instructions while testing some stuff :)
[00:18:13] <werdnum>	yeah, I already did that.
[00:18:52] <werdnum>	I think...
[00:18:57] <werdnum>	or maybe not :D
[00:19:58] <werdnum>	anyway, looks like I need to check out the 'comparing to defaults' stuff.
[00:20:06] <werdnum>	and fix up the group rights summaries.
[00:20:08] <brion>	w/ db backend just a load and save is recording... 19 settings, most of the empty strings or false
[00:20:31] <werdnum>	and remove settings disabled for that version from the view.
[00:20:45] <brion>	some look like things like this: $wgSearchForwardUrl = null;
[00:20:48] <werdnum>	Well, I think anything saved has been detected as different from the default.
[00:20:53] <brion>	where the default is false or null, but if set it's a string or whatever
[00:21:07] <werdnum>	Yeah, there's a function for that which might need updating :)
[00:23:19] <CIA-8>	03werdna * r44371 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/Configure.php: Add some settings which should really be changeable
[00:23:26] <brion>	whee :D
[00:24:15] <Pinky>	hmm, how crazy would it be for configure to have a 'download' parameter for each extension, so you could download extensions to $IP/extensions through configure? :P
[00:24:43] <werdnum>	could be done, but you're right that it would be a bit crazy :P
[00:25:02] <werdnum>	brion: okay, so just a few more minor things :)
[00:25:10] <werdnum>	anything else you notice?
[00:25:27] <brion>	honestly i'm gonna be happy for the moment if we just make it work nice for $wgLogo ;) that alone will save on labor :D
[00:25:43] <Pinky>	hehe
[00:25:54] <werdnum>	it works fine for $wgLogo :)
[00:25:55] <werdnum>	try it!
[00:25:57] <brion>	:D
[00:25:58] <brion>	so lemme test for that specific case...
[00:26:02] <werdnum>	I made it all awesome like you suggested.
[00:26:13] <brion>	awesome
[00:26:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Old news keeps popping up on top of the most resent news-lists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16602  (10djevelunge)
[00:27:17] <brion>	ok couple quick thoughts
[00:27:39] <brion>	1) might be good to make the after-save page be done via a redirect. right now it's outputted directly from the POST
[00:27:43] <brion>	that has a couple implications:
[00:27:57] <brion>	first, if you navigate away, then back, you get the annoying 'do you want to post this again' dailog :)
[00:28:04] <brion>	second, you don't see your updates live yet
[00:28:44] <brion>	2) the magic image name expansion currently isn't discoverable.
[00:28:55] <brion>	the UI just says URL, it doesn't indicate you can type an image name
[00:29:14] <brion>	and the preview doesn't happen until you navigate out of the field, with no indication that you should do so
[00:29:44] <brion>	so it probably needs some text to indicate that it's going to do it... and maybe hit it on a timeout after some typing as well as on the onblur
[00:30:08] <werdnum>	yeah, fair enough on both counts.
[00:31:14] <brion>	the preview itself is working great, works for both wik iimages and urls... might be good to show some visible thing if the image doesn't exist or the url's invalid though
[00:31:39] <werdnum>	What needs to be done in terms of code review? IAlex, Aaron and I have all seen the code, so it's a bit better-tested than, say, GlobalBlocking.
[00:31:45] <werdnum>	okay, can do that.
[00:32:18] <brion>	awesome :)
[00:32:31] <werdnum>	So, just a bunch of minor stuff to work on.
[00:32:38] <brion>	i'll take a quick peek over on general principle :)
[00:32:45] <werdnum>	Yep, fair enough.
[00:32:56] <werdnum>	I can probably have this stuff ready to go by tomorrow morning.
[00:33:09] <brion>	sweet!
[00:33:15] <werdnum>	Then we get to do it all again with AbuseFilter ;)
[00:33:46] <Simetrical>	werdnum, is it safe to install Configure on my wiki?
[00:33:54] <Simetrical>	(a real one, not a dev one)
[00:35:12] <werdnum>	I think so. The code's been looked at in detail by Aaron, IAlex and I, and Brion has had a quick look and understands the general principles.
[00:35:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Old news keeps popping up on top of the most resent news-lists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16602  (10djevelunge)
[00:35:29] <werdnum>	You may have a look, if you feel frisky.
[00:38:24] <werdnum>	brion: so, quick summary: Investigate saving of uncustomised settings, pare down the summary for group permissions, don't show unavailable settings, redirect post-save instead of leaving as a POST, and improve discoverability for the magic image expansion.
[00:38:43] <brion>	sounds good :D
[00:38:56] <werdnum>	Awesome, I'll get to work :P
[00:39:05] <brion>	i'll see if i have any problems with code details or load perf, but if it's reasonably clean for the logo case we're good to start testing soon :D
[00:39:14] <werdnum>	sweet.
[00:39:29] <werdnum>	It's got a filesystem cache, should that be changed to APC?
[00:39:42] <brion>	fs is prolly fine
[00:39:45] <werdnum>	I was reading the other day that RAM hits are 100ns, disk hits are 15ms.
[00:40:11] <brion>	if we're hitting it on every page view it's not gonna be coming from disk, it'll be from the OSs cache :)
[00:40:28] <werdnum>	ah
[00:40:43] <werdnum>	man my handwriting is messy on writing these TODO lists:P
[00:40:47] <Simetrical>	Redirecting post-save and having GET parameters to display the message is kind of awful, really, isn't it?  Then you can forge system messages and trick people.
[00:41:01] <Simetrical>	Of course, leaving it as a POST is kind of a pain too.
[00:41:04] <brion>	yeah i use computers for this stuff ;)
[00:41:08] <brion>	hehe
[00:41:13] <werdnum>	brion: I'm not on my dual 22"s.
[00:41:18] <brion>	awwww
[00:41:27] <werdnum>	We have a cleaner at home on Wednesday mornings, so I go into my parents' office and work on my laptop.
[00:41:39] <brion>	fun
[00:41:41] <werdnum>	which is still 1400x1050, but it feels so tiny.
[00:41:58] <Simetrical>	Hmm, how does one figure out the configuration options for a running Linux kernel?
[00:42:15] <werdnum>	It's somewhere under /proc
[00:42:38] <brion>	my netbook has a 1024x600 screen... now that's compact :D
[00:42:48] <Simetrical>	werdnum, any more details than that?
[00:42:51] <brion>	a little right for real work, but better as a terminal than an iphone!
[00:42:52] *Simetrical 	wants to know what CONFIG_NR_CPUS is
[00:42:53] <brion>	*tight
[00:43:24] <werdnum>	I usually like my code on one screen and the actual page on the other screen.
[00:43:32] <brion>	Simetrical: i think you're supposed to just keep the source tree around ;)
[00:43:35] <werdnum>	a third screen would be nice for IRC, but I'm not gonna get it :)
[00:43:54] <brion>	i can't quite talk myself into investing in a 30" monitor ;)
[00:44:11] <werdnum>	30"
[00:44:13] <werdnum>	mmmmm
[00:44:13] <brion>	dual 20" is really nice, but i finally got fed up with keeping my imac and macbook in sync :(
[00:44:42] <Simetrical>	Ah, Ubuntu puts it in /boot
[00:44:43] <Simetrical>	.
[00:44:44] <brion>	and if i did get a 30" monitor i'd have to upgrade the macbook to one that supports dual-link dvi output ;)
[00:44:52] <werdnum>	Simetrical: http://www.letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=%2Fproc+currently+running+linux+kenel+configuration&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a
[00:44:56] *werdnum 	is an asshole.
[00:45:04] <brion>	:D
[00:45:09] <werdnum>	I love that site so much.
[00:45:32] <Simetrical>	werdnum, I was Googling for several minutes already, kthx.
[00:45:42] <brion>	whoa
[00:45:45] <werdnum>	I swap the inconvenience of running Vista with the convenience of dual 22" widescreens.
[00:45:50] <Simetrical>	werdnum, /proc/config.gz doesn't exist on Ubuntu, apparently.
[00:45:55] <werdnum>	Simetrical: lame.
[00:46:03] <brion>	[local link, not clickable] http://shortstack.local/trunk/index.php?title=Special:Extensions&version=20081210002650 <- gave me a bunch of warnings and exceptions
[00:46:21] <werdnum>	Plus I haven't got my Kubuntu laptop working all properly yet.
[00:46:28] <brion>	multimonitors works on linux... if you have lots of patience ;)
[00:46:29] <werdnum>	brion: yeah, I haven't even looked at Special:Extensions.
[00:46:37] <werdnum>	I should, shouldn't I?
[00:46:45] <brion>	it should either work or be harmless :D
[00:46:50] <brion>	spewing errors is not so good
[00:46:55] <Simetrical>	Gah, my Ubuntu server doesn't have the /boot config files either.
[00:47:00] <brion>	Warning: touch() [function.touch]: Utime failed: Permission denied in /Library/WebServer/Documents/trunk/extensions/AbsenteeLandlord/AbsenteeLandlord.php on line 54
[00:47:02] <brion>	eww?
[00:47:06] <wikibugs>	03(VERIFIED) oldwikisource import from meta and commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13377  (10jayvdb)
[00:47:07] <Simetrical>	brion, multi-head works fine, just . . . you can't move windows in between them.
[00:47:15] <brion>	why's it executing files for extensions i don't use?
[00:47:34] <werdnum>	I don't know how Extensions works, IAlex wrote it, it's a bit scary. It tries to require() the extension files in a function
[00:47:37] <brion>	Simetrical: so xinerama or whatever the current equivalent is?
[00:47:43] <werdnum>	and so it doesn't work properly, as far as I know.
[00:47:55] <brion>	yeah.... let's just kill it for now then
[00:48:03] <werdnum>	We can just not grant the 'extensions' right.
[00:48:05] <Simetrical>	brion, Xinerama is awful when I tried it.  It makes windows stretch across multiple screens.
[00:48:17] <brion>	Simetrical: that's dependent on your window manager
[00:48:37] <brion>	a window manager that understands it will size and place windows appropriately. any modern system should...
[00:48:53] <brion>	back in y2k when it was new i remember having trouble with it too ;)
[00:48:58] <werdnum>	My laptop doesn't suspend properly, gives me access denied when I log in from a locked screen, randomly refuses to boot the window manager, etc, etc.
[00:49:15] <werdnum>	I need to actually get it sorted before I head off to the states.
[00:49:21] <Simetrical>	brion, this was standard GNOME in Ubuntu.
[00:49:43] <werdnum>	or just buy a new one...
[00:50:05] <werdnum>	it's a three-year-old school laptop with a crack in the screen :)
[00:52:37] <brion>	well that's why i use a mac i guess ;)
[00:53:08] <werdnum>	What can PC users do that mac users can't?
[00:53:16] <werdnum>	Stop bragging.
[00:53:19] *werdnum 	hides.
[00:53:36] <brion>	nuh-uh... i am WAY humbler than thou!
[00:53:55] <werdnum>	"In fact, I'm the LEAST competitive, so I WIN!"
[00:54:13] <brion>	:D
[00:54:51] <werdnum>	I think KATE is the one "must-have" for any laptop I use.
[00:55:00] <werdnum>	That program is the sexiest thing ever made.
[00:55:29] <brion>	the programming editor? meh
[00:55:48] *brion 	is old and set in his ways
[00:56:14] <brion>	joe on console, bbedit on mac, and avoid linux or windows GUIs if possible ;)
[00:56:34] <werdnum>	joe?
[00:56:46] <werdnum>	Haven't used that one before.
[00:56:48] <brion>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe%27s_Own_Editor
[00:56:57] <brion>	it has wordstar key bindings by default!
[00:57:05] <brion>	remember wordstar?
[00:57:10] <brion>	no cause you weren't born yet :P
[00:59:16] <hcatlin>	my dad's lawfirm had WordPerfect DOS on their computers.
[00:59:17] <werdnum>	brion: where were you, high school?
[00:59:20] <werdnum>	(when I was born)
[00:59:20] <hcatlin>	i remember that.
[01:00:24] <hcatlin>	the secretaries were all afraid of Word for Windows
[01:00:41] <hcatlin>	MY TEMPLAAAATEEEESSSSS
[01:00:45] <brion>	middle school at least :)
[01:00:56] <brion>	hehehe
[01:01:29] <hcatlin>	i swear, at the time, legal secretaries could have gone on strike and the whole legal profession would have been destroyed
[01:01:42] <hcatlin>	because, no one knew how to work their crazy stuff
[01:01:43] <brion>	oh what a glorius day that would have been
[01:01:47] <hcatlin>	hahahaha
[01:01:50] <hcatlin>	they had the shot!
[01:02:00] <werdnum>	brion: January 199999999999999999991
[01:02:11] <werdnum>	ugh, dead key
[01:02:19] <hcatlin>	whoa, you were born in 1991?
[01:02:20] <brion>	tell that to the long now foundation!
[01:02:21] <hcatlin>	Jaysus
[01:02:32] <hcatlin>	that was a key-of-life.
[01:02:33] <brion>	hcatlin: srsly. damn whippersnappers!
[01:02:38] <hcatlin>	I'M YOUNG!
[01:02:39] <werdnum>	yeah, January 30 1991.
[01:02:42] <hcatlin>	AHHHHHHHHHH
[01:02:53] *werdnum 	is a young'un.
[01:03:06] <hcatlin>	I'm still young, damnit.
[01:03:26] *brion 	just turned 30 :P
[01:03:27] <hcatlin>	Though, I guess I am closer to my 30's than anything else....
[01:03:30] <hcatlin>	26 here.
[01:03:46] <brion>	goddamn whippsersnappers!
[01:03:49] <brion>	get off mah lawn
[01:03:49] <hcatlin>	My favourite QAF episode is one where they have a funeral for someone turning 30.
[01:03:54] <brion>	:D
[01:04:19] <hcatlin>	wait, we took this room OT
[01:04:23] <hcatlin>	wow, this room is never OT
[01:04:26] <hcatlin>	in fact, no one ever talks in here.
[01:04:36] <hcatlin>	its usually filled with silent masses
[01:04:41] <werdnum>	You missed the major off-topic in #wikimedia-tech last night.
[01:04:49] <hcatlin>	-tech is often OT
[01:04:51] <werdnum>	Simetrical, River, Tim and I had a 2-hour discussion on ethics.
[01:04:56] <hcatlin>	hahaha, nice.
[01:05:04] <hcatlin>	personally, i only come on IRC for the OT discussions.
[01:05:06] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID)  - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16606  (10nakonwiki)
[01:05:16] <hcatlin>	i guess like 1% of it is actually doing useful work
[01:05:28] <hcatlin>	i just randomly message brion and tell him tons of shit
[01:05:37] <werdnum>	I was up until 3:30 discussing this stuff :P
[01:05:41] <hcatlin>	hahaha, nice.
[01:05:43] <werdnum>	good times.
[01:05:44] <brion>	:D
[01:05:47] <hcatlin>	you young'uns don't have opinions that count.
[01:05:54] <werdnum>	I mostly come on IRC to heckle Brion into looking at my work :D
[01:05:58] <hcatlin>	hahah
[01:06:03] <hcatlin>	i want to write a really annoying irc bot that will just say people's names
[01:06:07] <WaRpAtH>	yay brion got younger \o/
[01:06:11] <hcatlin>	which makes their clients bounce
[01:06:23] <hcatlin>	so you could be like /wake mediawiki
[01:06:31] <hcatlin>	and it would say everyone's name and get hteir attention
[01:06:54] <WaRpAtH>	brion: hmm that bug, can you block e-mail ?
[01:06:57] <brion>	WaRpAtH: is that like the big crunch? once i'm past 30 i age backwards until i disappear into an ovum at 60?
[01:07:00] <WaRpAtH>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16606
[01:07:11] <werdnum>	brion: oh yeah, happy birthday for the other day
[01:07:20] <werdnum>	You were very sneaky, not telling us.
[01:07:20] <WaRpAtH>	brion: the case of Benjamin something :D
[01:07:23] <brion>	WaRpAtH: i blocked the user account and will delete it later
[01:07:28] <werdnum>	Cary mentioned it on IRC.
[01:07:31] <hcatlin>	brion: i say 'fu' birthday!
[01:07:45] <WaRpAtH>	\o/
[01:08:01] *brion 	*shakes fist* i will not go calmly into the dying of the light!
[01:08:35] <werdnum>	brion: you're going to send me to the slaughterhouse for JS like this, aren't you?
[01:08:39] <werdnum>	displayid = '<tt>'+idcandidates[0].innerHTML+'</tt>'; // Ew ew ew ew ew ew
[01:08:52] <brion>	i've seen worse
[01:09:35] *atglenn 	points out that it's dark already ( brion )
[01:09:55] <brion>			$script = array(
[01:09:55] <brion>				"<script type=\"$wgJsMimeType\">/*<![CDATA[*/",
[01:09:55] <brion>				"var wgConfigureAdd = {$add};",
[01:10:02] <hcatlin>	werdnum: without a framework, its not so bad.
[01:10:12] <brion>	hmm don't we have a better thingy for this? like automated or semi-automated?
[01:10:22] *brion 	sticks his tongue out at atglenn 
[01:10:31] <WaRpAtH>	O_O
[01:10:34] <atglenn>	:-D
[01:10:44] <werdnum>	brion: I dunno.
[01:10:45] <werdnum>	Do we?
[01:10:50] <WaRpAtH>	brion: did rand sell you a cary voodoo doll yet? :P
[01:11:10] <brion>	o_O
[01:11:25] <werdnum>	O_o
[01:12:03] <brion>	buildArrayInput() is absurdly long, ew ew ew :)
[01:12:33] <brion>	just feels like it's begging for some polymorphism on a clean interface
[01:12:35] <whaever>	hi all i need some help to find instructians that are on the site,I can't seem to find them
[01:12:47] <WaRpAtH>	<randmontoya>	oh yeah...these are quality voodoo dolls.
[01:12:47] <WaRpAtH>	<randmontoya>	fresh hair is used in every doll
[01:12:47] <WaRpAtH>	<randmontoya>	they are selling like mad around the office
[01:12:49] <whaever>	I clicked on the link for setup instructions for this gui http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Image:Navit-Mineque_art.png and got pointed to this site http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki and I can't find the instructions 
[01:12:49] <WaRpAtH>	:p
[01:12:52] <werdnum>	polymorphism? I've forgotten what that is?
[01:13:04] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Request for a rollback button at Special:RecentChangesLinked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13589  +comment (10nakonwiki)
[01:13:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Rollback buttons in Special:Recentchanges and Special:Watchlist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9305  +comment (10nakonwiki)
[01:13:17] <werdnum>	that's where you use the same method on different classes, right?
[01:13:25] <WaRpAtH>	yeah i always wondered if that was possible :(
[01:14:50] *werdnum 	commits.
[01:15:03] <WaRpAtH>	adultery? O_O
[01:15:05] <WaRpAtH>	:p
[01:15:54] <CIA-8>	03werdna * r44372 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (Configure.js Configure.page.php Configure.php): 
[01:15:54] <CIA-8>	Configure extension: Replace listing of right descriptions with listing of right IDs.
[01:15:54] <CIA-8>	Caution: Some javascript in this commit may attract velociraptors.
[01:16:05] *brion 	gets his anti-velociraptor helmet
[01:16:57] <brion>	werdnum: what exactly is the configure-all right meant to do? i find it a little confusing
[01:17:56] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) error page from rollback of first revision has inaccurate title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12771  +comment (10nakonwiki)
[01:18:06] <werdnum>	Um, when IAlex wrote the extension, he figured that you might want two levels of access
[01:18:19] <werdnum>	one for brion and Tim, and one for stewards and maybe bureaucrats.
[01:18:28] <werdnum>	or one for stewards and one for bureaucrats
[01:18:30] <werdnum>	or whatever.
[01:19:01] <werdnum>	and so he implemented two-tiered access - 'configure' means "edit some stuff", and 'configure-all' means "edit some more stuff"
[01:19:26] <werdnum>	If I wanted to spend another week on this project, I'd make that a bit more customisable.
[01:19:29] <brion>	werdnum: maybe use CSS classes instead of <tt> for this...
[01:19:44] <werdnum>	<code>? :)
[01:19:47] <brion>	:D
[01:19:49] <brion>	mebbe
[01:19:51] <werdnum>	I think I added a class to it.
[01:20:21] <werdnum>	<tt class="configure-right-id"></tt>
[01:20:26] <brion>	the main thing i wanna do here is make sure that someone somehow assigning configure-all right doesn't make it possible to access the DB passwords and other random crap :D
[01:21:21] <werdnum>	I think that stuff is in a blacklist of "never editable" for the DB handler, but not for the files handler.
[01:21:42] <werdnum>	Theoretically, somebody setting $wgConfigureEditableSettings = array(); on a files-handler wiki would allow access to DB passwords and stuff.
[01:21:51] <werdnum>	(to people with the configure-all right)
[01:23:23] <brion>	well, set aside the password -- just whatever settings. :) i want to confirm that anything not in $wgConfigureEditableSettings won't ever be editable...
[01:23:58] <werdnum>	I'm pretty sure, but I'll have a look through the code anyway.
[01:24:04] <brion>	thx :D
[01:24:10] <werdnum>	I'll ask ialex, too.
[01:25:59] <werdnum>	morning, Tim.
[01:26:26] <werdnum>	Afternoon, rather.
[01:26:59] <TimStarling>	hello
[01:29:52] <CIA-8>	03werdna * r44373 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/Configure.page.php: Configure extension: Don't show settings which are marked as invalid for this version of MediaWiki.
[01:29:54] <brion>	howdy TimStarling 
[01:31:20] <brion>	werdnum: hmm, the filesystem caching mode doesn't seem to store anything for me
[01:31:31] <brion>	like this should do it right? $wgConfigureFileSystemCache = '/tmp/mw-config-cache';
[01:33:33] <werdnum>	brion: From my Settings.php: $wgConfigureFileSystemCache = "/tmp/mw-configure-settings-$wiki";
[01:33:40] <werdnum>	so yeah, should do the trick.
[01:33:49] <werdnum>	check permissions maybe
[01:34:25] <brion>	drwxrwxrwt  28 root  wheel  952 Dec  9 14:02 /private/tmp
[01:34:33] <brion>	other stuff writes ok :)
[01:35:34] <werdnum>	And /tmp is definitely a symlink to /private/tmp?
[01:36:18] <brion>	ah!
[01:36:26] <brion>	it's cause i didn't set it before the function call
[01:37:18] <brion>	a:1:{s:7:"default";a:1:{s:6:"wgLogo";s:54:"http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bc/Wiki.png";}}
[01:37:19] <brion>	w00t
[01:37:33] <werdnum>	whee
[01:39:34] <brion>	seems to at least basically work :)
[01:39:43] <Simetrical>	I'd totally buy hardware from this company: http://www.tyan.com/
[01:39:59] <brion>	:)
[01:40:04] <Simetrical>	They look super-reliable.
[01:40:45] <werdnum>	brion: well that's good enough, right? Let's deploy it right now!
[01:40:47] *werdnum 	ducks.
[01:40:57] <brion>	:)
[01:41:02] <brion>	we'll poke at it tomorrow :D
[01:41:19] <brion>	TimStarling: we'll try testing Configure for wgLogo-only on some wikis, see how it goes :)
[01:42:18] <TimStarling>	ok
[01:44:02] <Simetrical>	Don't we already have effective local customization of $wgLogo, de facto?
[01:44:54] <CIA-8>	03werdna * r44374 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (3 files): 
[01:44:54] <CIA-8>	Configure extension: Display success through a 302 redirect post-save, instead of showing it on the POST-ed page. This can be used for pranks, but it makes for much
[01:44:54] <CIA-8>	nicer back and forward button usage, as well as allowing the user to see their own changes as they're made (although this might not happen with a file-system
[01:44:54] <CIA-8>	cache).
[01:45:17] <werdnum>	ew, lines got broken.
[01:45:19] <CIA-8>	03dale * r44375 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (14 files in 8 dirs): 
[01:45:19] <CIA-8>	* stream interface updates
[01:45:19] <CIA-8>	* searching by speeches fix
[01:45:19] <CIA-8>	* SRT sample timed text with mv_embed
[01:45:20] <CIA-8>	* stream script include fixes
[01:45:22] <CIA-8>	* style update
[01:45:28] <werdnum>	c-c-c-combo-breaker.
[01:50:46] <brion>	Simetrical: "ask folks to set $wgLogo so you can upload Wiki.png, or else to something else, but you can't do anything until the devs set you up for it"?
[01:50:52] <brion>	not sure i call that effective ;)
[01:51:04] <Simetrical>	Well, not for wikis that newly want to use $wgLogo.
[01:51:09] <Simetrical>	It will be enabled for stewards only?
[01:51:30] <Simetrical>	Currently any sysop can change logos, once that's set up.  Or is the idea that stewards are just the ones who set it up to point to Wiki.png?
[01:51:41] <Simetrical>	That would be sensible.
[01:52:01] <Simetrical>	Configure will probably need more work before it allows stuff like configuring namespaces, right?  You have to run the cleanup scripts.
[01:52:18] <werdnum>	Well, namespaces are configurable, but as you rightly point out, the cleanup scripts need to be run,.
[01:52:36] <werdnum>	I'm not sure how possible or desirable running maintenance scripts from a web interface is.
[01:53:02] <Simetrical>	Depends which one.
[01:53:08] <werdnum>	"Enter the URL to an image, or the name of an image on this wiki (without the namespace). A preview will be displayed when you leave the field."
[01:53:12] <werdnum>	Is that too verbose?
[01:53:35] <Simetrical>	Allowing maintenance scripts from a web interface is necessary for third parties without shell access.
[01:53:41] <Simetrical>	Of course you'd need to make sure they didn't time out.
[01:54:20] <werdnum>	I didn't make any comment on necessity, just desirability and possibility :)
[01:54:34] <werdnum>	We could set up some framework to have them run in the background, but I think that's a project for another time.
[01:55:15] <Simetrical>	Some could probably be run live.
[01:55:30] <Simetrical>	Like not namespaceDupes.php, though.
[01:55:34] <Simetrical>	Unless it echoed stuff regularly enough.
[01:55:57] <werdnum>	The web is not designed for operations that take more than about a minute.
[01:56:03] <werdnum>	It should be done asynchronously.
[01:56:23] <Simetrical>	Designed or not, some people have no other choice.
[01:56:32] <Simetrical>	It can be done cleanly and safely with a little work.
[01:57:10] <werdnum>	I maintain that a pretty asynchronous interface would work wonders.
[01:58:22] <Simetrical>	"Asynchronous" how?
[01:58:40] *brion-away 	nom nom nom dinnertime
[01:58:43] <werdnum>	later brion-away 
[01:59:56] <CIA-8>	03werdna * r44376 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (Configure.i18n.php Configure.page.php): Actually explain how the logo field works.
[02:01:52] *atglenn 	is eating pumkin pie
[02:01:54] <atglenn>	+p
[02:01:59] <atglenn>	it is really good
[02:34:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) (vandalism) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16606  summary (10pathoschild+wmbugs)
[02:43:19] <CIA-8>	03erik * r44377 10/trunk/tools/planet/de/config.ini: -perspektive89, per request
[03:02:44] <Charitwo>	werdna|away: your home page is sad
[03:07:27] <|X|>	Why is {{DISPLAYTITLE:}} no longer wokring on userpages?
[03:08:32] <werdnum>	Charitwo: eh?
[03:08:51] <Charitwo>	vbs2.ebstone
[03:08:57] <Charitwo>	epstone*
[03:09:38] <werdnum>	What about it?
[03:09:44] <werdnum>	and perhaps you mean werdn.us
[03:10:02] <Charitwo>	its full of dead links
[03:10:52] <werdnum>	http://vps.epstone.net/ is an old homepage
[03:11:26] <|X|>	 werdnum, you're almost entirely the opposite of my MBTI type
[03:11:32] <|X|>	I'm ESTJ
[03:22:54] <sprax_>	anyone know a parser hook that shows recent changes?
[03:32:14] <sprax_>	anyone know an extension which will show recent changes on the main page?
[03:34:15] <|X|>	Just use {{Special:Recentchanges}} as a template
[03:35:35] <sprax_>	thanks |X|
[03:35:43] <sprax_>	please pardon my ignorance
[03:39:56] <lucidblue>	hey all, I just installed media wiki...  I've been keeping my own 'docs space', with notes and howtos for linux stuff and what-not, and I want to make it public, I need help understanding the organization of a wiki...
[03:40:05] <lucidblue>	anyone know any good explinations?
[03:40:27] <lucidblue>	I keep thinking of it as a tree structure, and I think that's not helping..
[03:40:34] <lucidblue>	is it supposed to be?
[03:40:53] <werdnum>	Not really, it's mostly flat.
[03:40:56] <Simetrical>	It's normally flat.
[03:41:54] <lucidblue>	so is it just a bunch of scattered articles and you just link to them one at a time if you want to creat a catagory/subcatagory and whatever?
[03:42:30] <lucidblue>	I don't even get how to, for instance, list all articles..
[03:42:55] <sprax_>	|X| I want to pass hideminor=1 to the template. I tried {{Special:Recentchanges|hideminor=1}} but that didn't fly. Any ideas? The MW article on it doesn't describe use as a template.
[03:43:00] <sherrod>	lucidblue: special pages, all pages
[03:43:21] <|X|>	No, that's not possible with those parameters
[03:45:28] <lucidblue>	sherrod, okay, thanks for the help... so is there an easier way to link to internal pages from other pages?  Like have two main links on the first page that have two links "hardware" and "software" or something like that... then links within?
[03:47:17] <sprax_>	|X| Thanks. Looks like I'm going to write my own parser hook... 
[03:47:20] <lucidblue>	okay, I think I'm getting it, I see a Categories "Special page", how do I create one?
[03:48:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) FlaggedRevs blocks/disables Patroller Extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16375  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[03:53:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) API edit "section" parameter really bad handled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16581  04CRIT->04BLOCKER; +comment (10paul.copperman)
[03:59:57] <CIA-8>	03aaron * r44378 10/trunk/phase3/profileinfo.php: Set $wgProfileToDatabase = false
[04:06:27] <CIA-8>	03aaron * r44379 10/trunk/phase3/includes/HTMLFileCache.php: Code style tweaks
[04:10:01] <Mathieu1>	Hi
[04:20:27] <CIA-8>	03yaron * r44380 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/specials/SF_AddData.php: Fixed call of sfEditFormPreloadText hook
[04:22:17] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) rev_deleted should use the history buttons to affect ranges of revisions on the history tab - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16607 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Deleting; (mikelifeguard)
[04:22:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable RevisionDelete on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15644  (10mikelifeguard)
[04:38:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553  +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[04:40:31] <CIA-8>	03aaron * r44381 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Wiki.php: Remove noisy profiling
[04:42:32] <gbruin_>	@lucridblue: the first thing i did when i installed MediaWiki was to copy the help files into mine: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Copying
[04:43:25] <gbruin_>	because having a local copy of how to do almost everything is pretty invaluable
[04:44:43] <jiffe20>	is there a way to display the current branch path so I can go back to any point along it?
[04:46:02] <gbruin_>	@lucridblue: as for your organizational needs, i recommend that you create the articles without worrying about organization. The great thing about a wiki is that its users can contribute in multiple ways, be it by adding information, or by categorizing the existing information, maybe even in ways that you never thought of
[04:46:58] <gbruin_>	as the wiki grows, so will its content, and out of necessesity so will the paths toward discovering that content
[04:47:15] <jbalint>	Hi
[04:47:47] <jbalint>	is there any "standard" way to add a latex package to the formula stuff
[04:50:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable RevisionDelete on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15644  (10str4nd)
[04:54:59] <CIA-8>	03aaron * r44382 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (RawPage.php Wiki.php): Minor RawPage tweaks
[04:56:23] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Provide a new magic word {{USERLANGUAGE}}/{{USERLANG}} - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16608 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[04:59:06] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Provide a new magic word {{USERLANGUAGE}}/{{USERLANG}} - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16608  +comment (10krimpet)
[05:05:15] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Provide a new magic word {{USERLANGUAGE}}/{{USERLANG}} - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16608  +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[05:05:30] <werdnum>	Krimpet: pwned :)
[05:05:33] *werdnum 	</3 PHP
[05:06:14] <Krimpet>	werdnum, am I wrong in saying that's impossible cause of caching?
[05:06:36] <werdnum>	I think it's been dealt with by Brion et al.
[05:06:44] <werdnum>	and no, it's not impossible to cache
[05:06:47] <Krimpet>	hmm.
[05:06:51] <werdnum>	just add $wgLang->getCode() or whatever to the rendering hash.
[05:12:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide a new magic word {{USERLANGUAGE}}/{{USERLANG}} - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16608  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[05:12:55] <werdnum>	oh man, I hate PHP so so so much.
[05:13:07] <CIA-8>	03aaron * r44383 10/trunk/phase3/includes/AutoLoader.php: Reduce profile overhead here
[05:16:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[05:22:14] <rvalles>	Hi
[05:22:32] <rvalles>	I need to move my mediawiki from one server to another... is the procedure documented anywhere?
[05:25:44] <Krimpet>	rvalles: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Moving_a_wiki
[05:27:52] <rvalles>	thanks
[05:28:05] <rvalles>	for some reason, it's hard to find in that wiki (I've tried for a few minutes)
[05:28:41] <Krimpet>	Yeah, searching MW.org can be tough.
[05:28:56] <werdnum>	pheeew.
[05:28:58] *werdnum 	commits.
[05:29:10] <Krimpet>	(And for some reason, Google's rankings for it seem to be surprisingly low...)
[05:29:35] <CIA-8>	03werdna * r44384 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (5 files): (log message trimmed)
[05:29:35] <CIA-8>	Fix up unnecessary display of some settings as 'changed' when they haven't been changed at all.
[05:29:35] <CIA-8>	There were quite a few issues causing this:
[05:29:35] <CIA-8>	* Trimming of settings.
[05:29:36] <CIA-8>	* Some radio buttons would 'jump' to another value when that value had an internal key of '0'.
[05:29:38] <CIA-8>	* isset() returns FALSE for null (STAB STAB STAB). Replaced some with array_key_exists();
[05:29:38] *rvalles 	considers linking to it properly later :)
[05:29:40] <CIA-8>	* Some settings didn't have their empty values set. Added a check against the default to guard against this. If the default and the setting are empty, we use the default as the empty value.
[05:29:44] <rvalles>	(it's a wiki after all)
[05:31:25] *werdnum 	sighs.
[05:31:51] <rvalles>	mediawiki install guide using lighttpd?
[05:32:22] <rvalles>	nevermind
[05:32:25] <rvalles>	that one was easier to find
[05:34:04] <werdnum>	I use lighttpd
[05:34:10] <CIA-8>	03aaron * r44385 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (Article.php parser/ParserCache.php): 
[05:34:10] <CIA-8>	* Don't set ETag if $wgUseETag = false
[05:34:10] <CIA-8>	* Avoid casting page ID as int twice
[05:36:38] *AaronSchulz 	loads 'Pashtun people' with filecache
[05:36:51] <AaronSchulz>	-total	100%	100%	5	1	96.28ms	1472.73	96.28	1472.73
[05:37:09] <AaronSchulz>	wee
[06:02:27] <CIA-8>	03david * r44386 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (4 files): Refactored UserMailer.php. Please let me know if this breaks anything.
[06:21:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[06:26:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[06:27:47] <b4|hraban>	Hi, I am having trouble setting up mediawiki 1.13.2 behind a squid proxy on the localhost
[06:29:16] <b4|hraban>	lighttpd is bound to 127.0.0.1:443and squid is bound to public_ip:443, forwarding all connections to lighttpd. I configured the LocalSettings.php as per the manual but I still get that visitors appear as coming from 127.0.0.1
[06:29:37] <b4|hraban>	(ie $wgUseSquid = true; $wgSquidServers = array('127.0.0.1'); )
[06:30:54] <b4|hraban>	the same goes for :80, actually, but that does not work either.
[06:31:18] <davidmccabe>	Is there an easy way to revert/undo/nuke a revision after other revisions have been committed since then?
[06:31:28] <davidmccabe>	Sorry, wrong channel.
[06:32:09] <MrZ-man|lazin>	davidmccabe: wfInvoke was reverted in r43416, r44386 causes a fatal error on page save
[06:32:31] <MrZ-man|lazin>	Fatal error: Call to undefined function wfInvoke() in C:\xampp\htdocs\w\includes\UserMailer.php on line 270
[06:32:39] <davidmccabe>	Thanks for letting me know, MrZ-man|lazin.
[06:35:57] <CIA-8>	03david * r44387 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/ (LiquidThreads.php LqtBaseView.php): Reverted 42582. Please explain why you need this ugly feature.
[06:40:18] <CIA-8>	03david * r44388 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (4 files): Revert r44386; depends on wfInvoke, also reverted.
[06:48:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide a new magic word {{USERLANGUAGE}}/{{USERLANG}} - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16608  +comment (10herd)
[06:48:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) {{int:X}} respects user-defined interface language, breaking link tables etc. (aka {{USERIFCODE}} strikes back) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14404  (10herd)
[07:01:05] <MZMcBride>	Splarka: I break referential integrity with my user page.
[07:01:13] <MZMcBride>	Does it really matter if other things break it too?
[07:01:16] <Splarka>	you break referential integrity with your face
[07:01:28] <MZMcBride>	That's what she said.
[07:01:29] *Splarka 	shrugs
[07:01:38] <Splarka>	it just does it, and it shouldn't, and it can be fixed
[07:01:48] <Splarka>	parse the page in content language, display it in user language
[07:01:52] <Splarka>	but brion is lazy
[07:02:39] <Splarka>	(parse for referential crap, that is... images/categories/foo/bar/baz/she_said)
[07:03:02] <MZMcBride>	You're referential. 
[07:03:14] <Splarka>	that's what I said
[07:03:26] <Splarka>	hmm, that doesn't work, as the I is already uppercase
[07:03:33] <Splarka>	maybe "that's what I said"
[07:03:57] <Splarka>	http://xkcd.com/436/
[07:05:44] <Dantman>	Splarka, what do you think about this JavaScript? ^_^ http://wiki-tools.pastebin.com/d6350dc80 rotfl...
[07:06:31] <Splarka>	you broke my head parser
[07:06:38] <Dantman>	heh
[07:06:39] <Splarka>	use the right mime type, bah!
[07:06:54] <Dantman>	Uuhh... ;) That's valid JavaScript
[07:07:04] <Dantman>	In fact, that's my 'template.js'
[07:07:54] *Splarka 	blinks
[07:08:09] *Splarka 	clicks the link again to verify
[07:08:15] <Splarka>	http://wiki-tools.pastebin.com/d6350dc80  that one, that you pasted?
[07:08:24] <Dantman>	Yup..
[07:09:09] <Dantman>	That there along with some other JavaScript and a file with some example code end up creating: http://wiki-tools.pastebin.com/dc0a9ae1
[07:09:25] *Splarka 	views it through a proxy
[07:09:28] *Splarka 	sitll sees the same thing
[07:09:37] <Dantman>	Well, that's a html file
[07:10:00] <Splarka>	<html>\n<head>\n	<title>$4 Examples</title>\n\n</head>\n<body>\n	<h2>HTML for examples</h2>\n	<div>\n		<h3>Code</h3>\n		<pre><testCode /></pre>\n	</div>\n	<div>\n		<h3>Output</h3>\n		<testBlock />\n	</div>\n	<h2>Examples</h2>\n</body>\n</html>
[07:10:46] <Dantman>	Basically, I'm making use of JavaScript's E4X to make a bit of a builtin template engine to simplify the generation of example .html files for a browser-side JS framework I'm working on
[07:11:02] <Splarka>	that isn't javascript... and you have "Syntax hilighting: Javascript"...
[07:12:03] <Splarka>	so, if I am not looking at the content of a pastebin, which is, yknow, the usual reason for linking to a pastebin result... then what am I looking at?
[07:12:05] <Dantman>	I just edit the .tpl files with the code examples, template.js contains that template, and running a server side Script I basically generate the end .html files
[07:12:17] <Dantman>	It is JavaScript
[07:12:24] <Dantman>	maybe something a little more complex
[07:12:54] <Dantman>	Here's index.tpl: http://wiki-tools.pastebin.com/d27e6554e
[07:12:56] <Splarka>	what is? your own syntax hilighter just has "4" "for" and "/></" hilighted
[07:13:16] <Dantman>	That's because that syntax highligher is stupid
[07:13:54] <Splarka>	wtf... _that_ is more like javascript, but you have that syntax hilighter on "html"
[07:13:57] *Splarka 	looks at Dan
[07:14:17] <Dantman>	Oh, sorry, I forgot to flip that one
[07:14:26] <Splarka>	dc0a9ae1 is HTML, you have the hilighter on 'javascript', d27e6554e is javascript, you have hilighter on 'html'
[07:14:29] <Dantman>	But I don't know of a single syntax highligher that supports any JavaScript past 1.6
[07:15:39] <Dantman>	d6350dc80 is javascript, dc0a9ae1 is html output, http://wiki-tools.pastebin.com/d68f930d3 is JavaScript
[07:16:48] <Splarka>	sure, I'll buy that but...
[07:16:56] <Splarka>	<Dantman> Splarka, what do you think about this JavaScript? ^_^ http://wiki-tools.pastebin.com/d6350dc80 rotfl... <Dantman> Uuhh... ;) That's valid JavaScript
[07:17:13] <Splarka>	to clarify, you aren't still claiming that, are you?
[07:17:24] <Dantman>	That is template.js
[07:17:42] <Dantman>	That is run through Exec
[07:27:36] <Dantman>	Splarka, http://svn.nadir-point.com/viewvc/fourdollar/trunk/examples/
[07:29:58] *Supaplex 	checks out the faq
[07:32:03] <Supaplex>	where can I find something to convert a wiki into a clickable pdf?  I'd like to publish my sysadmin stuff for disaster recovery purposes (eg, use the pdf while the wiki is unavailable)
[07:57:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) {{int:X}} respects user-defined interface language, breaking link tables etc. (aka {{USERIFCODE}} strikes back) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14404  +comment (10nospam)
[08:04:34] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special:CreateProperty' s Allows value list generation feature is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16609 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic Forms; (mail)
[08:08:20] <_wooz>	lo
[08:09:47] <MZMcBride>	'lo.
[08:15:40] <CIA-8>	03werdna * r44389 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (Configure.js SpecialConfigure.php SpecialExtensions.php): 
[08:15:40] <CIA-8>	Configure extension fixes:
[08:15:40] <CIA-8>	* Fix 'delete this entry' buttons for group permissions.
[08:15:40] <CIA-8>	* Fix redirection to success page even on error.
[08:26:15] <CIA-8>	03werdna * r44390 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/SpecialConfigure.php: Fix up r44384. I now understand what those lines are and what they do.
[08:34:06] <jutuveps>	is there some nice way to create a template which gives automagic links to its sibling pages? (i can state those pages explicitly if needed. the point is avoiding this part :) )
[08:40:53] <Duesentrieb>	jutuveps: depends on how you define "sibling pages"
[08:41:18] <Duesentrieb>	if all you need is access to the current page's name, you can use {{PAGENAME}} resp {{FULLPAGENAME}}
[08:42:26] <jutuveps>	okay. basically i have a hierarchy like this: Parent/Child1, Parent/Child2 etc. it should be possible to provide links within those child pages to sibling pages (other children)
[08:42:47] <jutuveps>	i know [[../Child2|My child page]] does the trick explicitly :)
[08:44:19] <Duesentrieb>	and writing {{subling|Child|My child page}} would be better?
[08:44:27] <Duesentrieb>	it won't get eny shorter than that...
[08:44:37] <Duesentrieb>	err, "sibling"
[08:44:55] <jutuveps>	basically i would like something like {{siblings}}
[08:45:10] <Splarka>	that is possible but nasty pre-setup
[08:45:22] <Duesentrieb>	and it would collect all the existing siblings? not possible, unless they are always the same
[08:45:29] <Splarka>	{{#switch:{{FULLPAGENAME}}
[08:45:41] <Splarka>	|Parent/Child1=[[Parent]] [[Parent/Child2]]
[08:45:51] <Splarka>	|Parent/Child2=[[Parent/Child1]] [[Parent/Child3]]
[08:45:57] <Splarka>	|Parent/Child3=[[Parent/Child2]] [[Parent/Child4]]
[08:46:02] <Duesentrieb>	Splarka: but that's worse than maintaining the list of siblings on page
[08:46:03] <Splarka>	in Template:Siblings
[08:46:08] *Splarka 	shrugs
[08:46:13] <Splarka>	but prettier _in_ the page
[08:46:30] <Duesentrieb>	well... you could do the switch based just bvased on the parent
[08:46:31] <Splarka>	and if they would like {{siblings}} they can have it then ^_^
[08:46:34] <Duesentrieb>	that would be a bit better
[08:46:39] <Splarka>	well, you'd have to do that too
[08:46:44] <Splarka>	if you had multiple "books"
[08:46:45] <Duesentrieb>	you wouldn't need a separate case for each page, just for each parent page
[08:46:57] *Splarka 	shrugs
[08:47:02] <Splarka>	you could even do #ifexist and #expor
[08:47:08] <Splarka>	er #expr
[08:47:10] <Splarka>	to check if a higher page number existed or not
[08:47:23] <Duesentrieb>	if they are numbered, yes
[08:47:30] <Splarka>	if they are only numbered, of course
[08:47:33] <Duesentrieb>	but you can't loop, can you?
[08:47:35] <Splarka>	Book/1 for example
[08:47:39] <Splarka>	why would you need to loop?
[08:47:51] <Duesentrieb>	so i donÄ#t have to write the test 100 times :)
[08:47:58] <Splarka>	you don't
[08:48:01] <jutuveps>	okay. #ifexist sounds something like might fit my case. thanks for the tips :)
[08:48:30] <Duesentrieb>	Splarka: hm... for next/previous, you don't. for listing all siblings, you would.
[08:48:32] <Duesentrieb>	anyway...
[08:48:54] <Splarka>	{{#ifexist:{{BASEPAEGNAME}}/{{#expr:{{BASEPAGENAME}} - 1}}|[[{{BASEPAEGNAME}}/{{#expr:{{BASEPAGENAME}} - 1}}]]}}
[08:48:59] <Splarka>	{{#ifexist:{{BASEPAEGNAME}}/{{#expr:{{BASEPAGENAME}} + 1}}|[[{{BASEPAEGNAME}}/{{#expr:{{BASEPAGENAME}} + 1}}]]}}
[08:49:01] <Splarka>	or some ugly shit
[08:49:07] <Splarka>	er
[08:49:13] <Splarka>	replace with {{SUBPAGENAME}} for second parts
[08:49:13] <Splarka>	meh
[08:49:22] <Splarka>	or use #titleparts for more than one layer of depth
[08:49:34] <Splarka>	but you'd still need page name parts just numbers, or stringFunctions
[08:49:56] <Splarka>	anyway, it would be crude
[08:50:32] <Duesentrieb>	#titleparts? didn't know about that one
[08:51:16] <MZMcBride>	Rude, crude, with attitude.
[08:53:54] <puck>	Is there a MediaWiki dump file available of just the help pages?
[08:54:19] <puck>	oh, just found it\
[09:11:51] <jutuveps>	great. got it work with some #ifexist (it's dynamic enough for me :) )
[09:14:24] <puck>	\part
[09:14:26] <puck>	sigh
[09:29:50] <jutuveps>	is there some simple way to traverse the page hierarchy within a template? (ie. i need to check parent of parent till i find one matching. after that i can check if path exists and construct a link)
[09:30:07] <jutuveps>	BASEPAGENAME is cool but works only for one level :)
[09:30:59] <Splarka>	#titleparts
[09:31:32] <Splarka>	needs the ParserFunctions extension
[09:31:51] <jutuveps>	alright. great :)
[09:32:11] <Splarka>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions#.23titleparts:
[09:45:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide a new magic word {{USERLANGUAGE}}/{{USERLANG}} - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16608  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[09:46:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide a new magic word {{USERLANGUAGE}}/{{USERLANG}} - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16608  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[10:14:19] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Provide a new magic word {{USERLANGUAGE}}/{{USERLANG}} - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16608  +comment (10mormegil)
[10:14:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Variable {{USERIFCODE}} (user interface language code) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2085  +comment (10mormegil)
[10:16:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[10:20:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) {{int:X}} respects user-defined interface language, breaking link tables etc. (aka {{USERIFCODE}} strikes back) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14404  (10mormegil)
[10:32:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Long edit summaries may get truncated in RC->IRC feeds - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4253  summary; +comment (10nospam)
[10:37:58] <w00t>	hmm. silly question, and i doubt i'll get an answer, but is there a difference between how 1.8.x stored images, and how SVN (phase3) stores images?
[10:38:12] <w00t>	I backed them up, and replaced them afterwards, but it seems that they are not showing
[10:39:04] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Variable {{USERIFCODE}} (user interface language code) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2085  +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[10:39:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) {{int:X}} respects user-defined interface language, breaking link tables etc. (aka {{USERIFCODE}} strikes back) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14404  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[10:39:39] <Duesentrieb>	w00t: the way they are stored is compatible, but mediawiki needs to know about each file in the database. just putting the files up isn't enough.
[10:40:03] <werdnum>	w00t: you need the files, and you need the database.
[10:40:05] <Duesentrieb>	w00t: di you have the image *pages* restored? did you restore an sql dump, or from xml?
[10:40:51] <Duesentrieb>	basically, the solution is to run refreshImages.php --missing -- but be sure first that this is what you actually want to do.
[10:41:49] <w00t>	Duesentrieb: I upgraded the database, I didn't start from scratch - the files were the ones that I kept a copy of
[10:42:21] <Duesentrieb>	why did you move them at all, then?
[10:42:39] <Duesentrieb>	if you upgraded the database, the files should just stay in place.
[10:43:45] <Duesentrieb>	w00t: hm... did you use flat or hashed storage before? i.e. are all images directly in one directory?
[10:44:04] <Duesentrieb>	i don't know if flat storage is still suported... and if it is, it might have to be configured differently. 
[10:45:09] <w00t>	they're in a series of different directories (as in, 0, 1, 2, 3)
[10:45:33] <Duesentrieb>	so it's hashed.
[10:45:43] <w00t>	and I moved them because I don't like the idea of dumping new files over the top of the old (leaving potentially unused stuff around), so I extracted to a new directory
[10:45:44] <Duesentrieb>	i see no reason it should work. except... err
[10:45:47] <Duesentrieb>	check file permissions
[10:45:50] <w00t>	hm
[10:45:53] <Duesentrieb>	perhaps apache can't serve them.
[10:45:56] <w00t>	will do
[10:46:31] <w00t>	it looks like the upgrade hasn't solved my issue anyway, hrrm.
[10:48:41] <w00t>	I'm experiencing some kind of odd issue, that whilst wiki pages are served successfully, the wiki requests seem to be suiciding the apache children serving them -- they stick in RUN state chewing as much CPU as they possibly can, until I've no more left to serve, there's not some huge influx of requests or anything, and I can't seem to find what exactly causes it..
[10:58:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Variable {{USERIFCODE}} (user interface language code) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2085  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[11:02:15] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Section edit bug where entire article is overwritten on save - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1181  +comment (10sco_scam)
[11:31:53] <CIA-8>	03ialex * r44391 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/SpecialConfigure.php: 
[11:31:53] <CIA-8>	Fix some PHP erros:
[11:31:53] <CIA-8>	* Undefined constant CONF_SETTINGS_EXTENSIONS
[11:31:53] <CIA-8>	* Missing param 1 for WebConfiguration::getCurrent()
[11:31:53] <CIA-8>	* Lot of undefined offsets
[11:32:52] <werdnum>	ialex: /me hides.
[11:32:58] <ialex>	werdnum: :D
[11:33:06] <w00t>	I really don't know what to do with this now.
[11:33:07] <werdnum>	Brion says it should go live tomorrow.
[11:33:24] <ialex>	werdnum: not redirecting is good for development ;)
[11:33:42] <werdnum>	yeah, I know.
[11:33:46] <werdnum>	but Brion said so :P
[11:33:56] <ialex>	:)
[11:33:58] <werdnum>	there were two things that I wanted to mention...
[11:34:20] <werdnum>	Special:Extensions looks totally broken at the moment, to disable it do we just not assign 'extensions' right?
[11:35:06] <ialex>	werdnum: and also set $wgConfigureOnlyUseVarForExt = true;
[11:35:45] <w00t>	is there a way to disable persistant db connections?
[11:35:59] <werdnum>	ialex: what does that do?
[11:36:42] <ialex>	werdnum: doc says "If this true, extensions will be considered as installed *only* if they are defined in $wgConfigureExtensionsVar, Configure won't check anymore for extensions in the file system."
[11:37:15] <werdnum>	eh?
[11:37:34] <werdnum>	How does the extensions system work?
[11:38:38] <ialex>	werdnum: extensions are defined in Configure.settings-ext.php, and to know if the extension is installed, Configure checks if the main file exists
[11:39:00] <werdnum>	!!
[11:39:00] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "!". You might try: !blankpage !bundels !cms !cooluris !css !exclamation !export !help !iframe !import !install !mwbot !next !op !ops !parserfunctions !test !welcome !wg !wikibugs 
[11:39:09] <werdnum>	that sounds evil.
[11:39:34] <ialex>	unless $wgConfigureOnlyUseVarForExt is true
[11:39:42] <werdnum>	Also, you use require() in function scope to install extensions, which is also evil.
[11:39:48] <werdnum>	It doesn't work, methinks.
[11:40:26] <ialex>	that's why there's extract( $GLOBALS, EXTR_REF );
[11:40:56] <ialex>	but only works for already existing globals
[11:42:47] <CIA-8>	03ialex * r44392 10/trunk/phase3/includes/AutoLoader.php: Fix for r44383: profiling error on unexisting class
[11:43:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Timeline images either generated without text or even not at all. Sometimes also no map areas as well. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16085  (10ta.bu.shi.da.yu)
[11:45:06] <jutuveps_>	is there some easy way to force certain elements (ie. some templates) to appear on each page under certain namespace?
[11:46:00] <werdnum>	ialex: yes, as you say rightly, it only works for existing globals.
[11:46:03] <werdnum>	It kinda sucks :)
[11:46:36] <ialex>	werdnum: extensions globals will be defined later when extracting all settings though
[11:46:46] <werdnum>	yeah but it's still icky
[11:46:54] <werdnum>	and apparently it throws fatals in recent versions.
[11:47:08] *werdnum 	looks.
[11:52:26] <werdnum>	<b>Warning</b>:  touch() [<a href='function.touch'>function.touch</a>]: Utime failed: Permission denied in <b>/var/wiki/extensions/AbsenteeLandlord/AbsenteeLandlord.php</b> on line <b>54</b><br />
[11:52:30] <werdnum>	that's a bit freaky.
[11:52:36] <werdnum>	Why is it trying to touch() things?
[11:55:48] <ialex>	werdnum: when in Special:Extensions?
[11:56:36] <werdnum>	yeah
[11:56:40] *w00t 	sighs.
[11:56:51] <werdnum>	Brion said he got the same errors.
[11:57:20] <werdnum>	w00t: I don't think persistent DB connections are the default.
[11:58:45] <werdnum>	ialex: don't use isset(), use array_key_exists()
[11:59:05] <werdnum>	although I'm unsure if that's a problem in that circumstance.
[11:59:06] <ialex>	werdnum: hmm, dunno why hook are called
[11:59:34] <w00t>	werdnum: yeah, that's still not my problem either.
[11:59:44] <w00t>	this is seriously screwed up.
[12:00:10] <werdnum>	w00t: okay, so backing up a bit, your PHP processes don't exit, and peg CPU.
[12:00:52] <w00t>	werdnum: yes. using mod_php, after wiki requests, the apache children involved with it stop being useful, consume CPU, and do absolutely nothing in strace until restart.
[12:01:05] <werdnum>	that's.. kinda annoying :D
[12:01:11] <w00t>	this of course means that the wiki - and the whole httpd quickly become unusable. :(
[12:01:13] <werdnum>	tried upgrading PHP?
[12:01:15] <w00t>	yes
[12:01:21] <werdnum>	apache?
[12:01:21] <w00t>	and apache, and now mediawiki too
[12:01:37] <werdnum>	tried switching to CGI PHP?
[12:01:43] <w00t>	it's also now got squid proxying in front of it for the whole 1-2 requests/sec that it gets..
[12:01:47] <CIA-8>	03ialex * r44393 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/SpecialExtensions.php: Fix variable name
[12:01:59] <ialex>	werdnum: see if it's fixed now
[12:02:13] <w00t>	it was my understanding that CGI wasn't really supported
[12:03:11] *werdnum 	svn up mediawiki.
[12:03:15] <werdnum>	w00t: for MediaWiki?
[12:03:19] <werdnum>	it's no different.
[12:06:32] <Duesentrieb>	cgi has some minor drawbacks wtf allowing "+" in page titles and crap like that
[12:06:53] <Duesentrieb>	err, wrt, not wtf. but wtf too :)
[12:08:28] <werdnum>	Duesentrieb: WORKSFORME
[12:08:45] <Duesentrieb>	GOODFORYOU
[12:16:59] <lch>	lol @ Duesentrieb 
[12:18:48] <str4nd>	:D
[12:26:14] <werdnum>	ialex: brion said he will turn on Configure just for logos tomorrow :)
[12:30:01] <ialex>	werdnum: just for logos :)
[12:30:22] <ialex>	there're still a lot of things to do...
[12:31:09] *ialex 	inserts a big warning "Internet Explorer forbidden" :D
[12:33:40] <ialex>	werdnum: who will be allowed to change settings? sysops, stewards only, ...?
[12:41:53] <agaran>	:D
[12:47:18] <werdnum>	ialex|away: stewards I think.
[13:29:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change to the special:renameuser functionality - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15698  (10nichalp.wiki)
[13:52:27] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) API list=recentchanges query does not show patrol log entries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16605  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[13:52:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) API edit "section" parameter really bad handled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16581  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[13:53:45] <werdnum>	TimStarling: ugh, it looks like somebody I've previously blocked is showing up at the meetup next week.
[14:04:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Single newlines sometimes create paragraphs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9207  (10mormegil)
[14:11:01] <Johannes1>	hallo
[14:11:11] <Johannes1>	hello
[14:12:00] <Trynemjoel>	hillo
[14:12:50] <Johannes1>	ich habe ein problem mit meiner netzwerk verbindung ... schaffs nciht ne verbindung über dlan (netzwerk über strom) herzustellen ...
[14:13:09] <CIA-8>	03catrope * r44394 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiEditPage.php: 
[14:13:10] <CIA-8>	API: (bug 16581) Fix regression from r44015 ("Various minor cleanup") which
[14:13:10] <CIA-8>	changed Article::replaceSection() to treat $section=null as $section=0 rather
[14:13:10] <CIA-8>	than $section='' as it did before, causing a nasty API edit bug. When changing a
[14:13:10] <CIA-8>	function's behavior, please update the callers, and don't forget the API.
[14:13:16] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) API edit "section" parameter really bad handled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16581  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[14:13:24] <Trynemjoel>	is this #mediawiki.de ?
[14:13:37] <Johannes1>	ja
[14:13:46] <Johannes1>	yes
[14:13:47] <Johannes1>	jo
[14:15:02] <Johannes1>	naja bin weg !!
[14:20:16] <CIA-8>	03siebrand * r44395 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (129 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-12-10 15:10 CET)
[14:25:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) IRC recent changes feed does not list patrol log entries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16604  (10matthew.britton)
[14:28:14] <CIA-8>	03siebrand * r44396 10/trunk/extensions/ (163 files in 122 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-12-10 15:10 CET)
[14:30:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Long edit summaries may get truncated in RC->IRC feeds - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4253  (10matthew.britton)
[14:32:36] <CIA-8>	03harddisk * r44397 10/trunk/tools/alertbot/ (5 files in 2 dirs): refitted alertbot to use MySQL backend. not finished yet =)
[14:35:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Rollback buttons in Special:Recentchanges and Special:Watchlist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9305  +comment (10matthew.britton)
[14:49:37] <micke>	Hi! Im having trubble installing, i get this error message about a missing file in includes/Defines.php on line 188  anybody know what might be the problem
[14:49:52] <RoanKattouw>	micke: What's the complete error message?
[14:50:08] <micke>	Warning: require_once(/www/webvol8/25/ib1rvs82ol8yqhl/xn--trtbiten-9za.se/public_html/w/includes/normal/UtfNormalDefines.php) [function.require-once]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /www/webvol8/25/ib1rvs82ol8yqhl/xn--trtbiten-9za.se/public_html/w/includes/Defines.php on line 188
[14:50:10] <micke>	Fatal error: require_once() [function.require]: Failed opening required '/www/webvol8/25/ib1rvs82ol8yqhl/xn--trtbiten-9za.se/public_html/w/includes/normal/UtfNormalDefines.php' (include_path='.:/usr/local/share/pear') in /www/webvol8/25/ib1rvs82ol8yqhl/xn--trtbiten-9za.se/public_html/w/includes/Defines.php on line 188
[14:50:55] <RoanKattouw>	micke: Check that public_html/w/includes/normal/UtfNormalDefines.php exists
[14:51:39] <micke>	No it, doesn't I just downloade the latest version from mediawiki.org and that folder is not in the tar.gz file
[14:52:04] <RoanKattouw>	It should be
[14:52:21] <micke>	Maybe I should try an older snapshot?
[14:52:38] <RoanKattouw>	Which version did you download? 1.13.2? That should just work
[14:53:14] <micke>	yes, I followed this link http://download.wikimedia.org/mediawiki/1.13/mediawiki-1.13.2.tar.gz
[14:53:18] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah
[14:53:46] <RoanKattouw>	Please make really, really sure (sorry for going on about this) that there really is no includes/normal/UtfNormalDefines.php
[14:54:29] <RoanKattouw>	Hmm I just downloaded the .tar.gz and it's in there all right
[14:54:53] <RoanKattouw>	If you don't see it, try re-extracting or redownloading it
[14:55:37] <micke>	I just checked, and the folder is there on my computer but i doesnt seem to have been uploaded to the ftp server, infact no subfolders to include, seems to have been uploaded..
[14:55:46] <micke>	I go back and re upload :-)
[15:00:29] <^demon>	Last day of finals \o/
[15:13:54] <micke>	RoanKattouw → Well thats all cleared up then. Thanks for holding my hand :-) It didnt occur to me that there might have been a problem when uploading, sometime you have to have someone tell you what you don't see. Any way, thanks a lot for your patience with my n00byness ;-)
[15:14:21] <RoanKattouw>	No problem
[15:15:02] <RoanKattouw>	Errors with UtfNormalDefines.php are nearly always a result of mis-uploading stuff, since it's the first included file in a subdir of includes/
[15:15:42] <micke>	Well I've learned that the hard way :)
[15:16:27] <RoanKattouw>	micke: Does it work now? If so, I'm surprised you somehow didn't upload includes/normal/ but did upload /languages/messages/
[15:18:17] <micke>	RoanKattouw → It works now since I re-uploaded the whole thing
[15:20:24] <micke>	RoanKattouw → Got to go, I've got alot MediaWiki'n to do!  Thanks again!
[15:22:19] <CIA-8>	03yaron * r44398 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/languages/SF_Language.php: Changed function names to be in line with SMW's
[15:22:53] <CIA-8>	03yaron * r44399 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/languages/SF_Messages.php: Added description message
[15:26:11] <CIA-8>	03yaron * r44400 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/specials/SF_CreateCategory.php: Removed inclusion of 'Form' namespace when using SMW 1.4 or higher
[15:27:58] <CIA-8>	03yaron * r44401 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/specials/SF_CreateProperty.php: Removed handling of SMW 0.7, fixed handling of special properties for SMW 1.4
[15:29:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) IRC recent changes feed does not list patrol log entries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16604  (10dungodung)
[15:30:59] <CIA-8>	03aaron * r44402 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Article.php: Init $parserCache only as needed
[15:31:16] <CIA-8>	03yaron * r44403 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormPrinter.inc: Re-added Li Ding's fix, this time with the bug (hopefully) removed
[15:33:37] <CIA-8>	03yaron * r44404 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_GlobalFunctions.php: 
[15:33:37] <CIA-8>	Added internationalized description message, removed now-unnecessary namespace-checking
[15:33:37] <CIA-8>	for SMW 1.4
[15:39:15] <CIA-8>	03yaron * r44405 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/INSTALL: New version: 1.3.9
[15:48:11] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Blacklisted links may be added as references as long as < references/> isn't on the page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16610 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Spam Blacklist; (mikelifeguard)
[15:56:15] <CIA-8>	03vyznev * r44406 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/RecentChange.php): 
[15:56:15] <CIA-8>	(bug 4253, bug 16586) Don't repeat titles of new pages in URLs in the RC->IRC feed, use the shorter and more useful revision ID instead.
[15:56:15] <CIA-8>	Also simplify URL construction: old code used to call Title::getInternalURL() to build the URLs and then undo most of the work with preg_replace().
[15:56:15] <CIA-8>	(TODO: Maybe consider introducing new global $wgIRCLineURLPrefix to optionally override the $wgInternalServer.$wgScript prefix?)
[16:00:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Long edit summaries may get truncated in RC->IRC feeds - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4253  normal->minor; +comment (10nospam)
[16:01:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  URLs should trigger the blacklist regardless of parser functions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15582  (10djbeetstra)
[16:01:58] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED)  IRC recent changes feed does not provide the revision ID for page creations - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16586  +comment (10nospam)
[16:03:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Blacklisted links may be added as references as long as < references/> isn't on the page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16610  (10djbeetstra)
[16:17:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  URLs should trigger the blacklist regardless of parser functions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15582  +comment (10nospam)
[16:18:27] <ialex|away>	Vyznev: for r44406: Wikimedia uses getInternalUrl hook to modify "$wgScript", so if you use "$wgInternalServer . $wgScript" on IRC notifs, you'll have http://en.wikipedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/... instead of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... for edits done at secure.wikimedia.org
[16:19:07] <Vyznev>	ialex: damn :(
[16:20:45] <Vyznev>	I guess I'll implement that TODO right away, then
[16:20:54] <ialex>	yeah :(
[16:24:43] <Vyznev>	hmm... if I want to be consistent with the existing $wgRC2UDPInterwikiPrefix, the new config global should be named $wgRC2UDPURLPrefix
[16:24:57] <Vyznev>	that looks pretty awful, though :P
[16:28:07] <CIA-8>	03ialex * r44407 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/mv_embed/example_usage/ (3 files): svn:eol-style native
[16:28:44] <CIA-8>	03yaron * r44408 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_Settings.php: Added new $sfg24HourTime global variable
[16:29:50] <Vyznev>	ah, it seems the convention in existing globals is to spell "URL" as "Url".  that does help a bit. :)
[16:31:43] <CIA-8>	03yaron * r44409 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormInputs.inc: 
[16:31:43] <CIA-8>	Patrick Nagel's fixes for handling non-American date format and 24-hour time format
[16:31:43] <CIA-8>	in form inputs
[16:32:53] <CIA-8>	03yaron * r44410 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormPrinter.inc: Added handling of new $sfg24HourTime global variable when generating form output
[16:34:04] <Prom_cat>	Hey how can I make a no-read right?
[16:34:21] <Prom_cat>	SO i can add it to people an no matter what else they have they cant read
[16:36:18] <Vyznev>	not sure you can
[16:36:42] <Vyznev>	maybe by writing an extension
[16:36:49] <Prom_cat>	Ugh
[16:36:56] <Vyznev>	why would you want one, anyway?
[16:37:14] <Prom_cat>	well its not reading i want to stop
[16:37:18] <RoanKattouw>	Prom_cat: That's impossible
[16:37:20] <Prom_cat>	Its a whole bunch of things
[16:37:48] <Prom_cat>	Basically Im trying to cheat and use global permissions as a global blocking mechanism as well
[16:38:05] <RoanKattouw>	MW's permissions system works differently: if you're in multiple groups, you have a right if (at least) one of your groups has it; you only don't have it if none of your groups has it
[16:38:23] <RoanKattouw>	Prom_cat: What are you trying to do then? Allowing some people to read but not others?
[16:38:32] <Splarka>	perhaps you could make an implicit group with all the rights normal users get, and then have that implicit group removed if the user is a member of a certain group, like 'lusers'
[16:39:03] <Splarka>	like in the way autoconfirmed can depend on how many edits you have, and emailconfirmed depends on if you have set an email and verified it, an implicit group dependent on another group should be possible
[16:39:25] <Splarka>	^dependant
[16:39:27] <Prom_cat>	Splarka: I like that idea
[16:39:55] <Prom_cat>	BAsically atm, no extension exists to do global blocking on accounts
[16:40:38] <Prom_cat>	So what I want to do is setup a group that imposes the block like conditions
[16:40:50] <RoanKattouw>	Splarka: Wouldn't that implicit group be re-added all the time?
[16:40:55] <Prom_cat>	so i can assign them globally using Extension:SharedUserRights
[16:41:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553  (10mr.heat)
[16:41:07] <CIA-8>	03ialex * r44411 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/Configure.settings-core.php: Commenting out some entries to avoid some fatal errors
[16:41:07] <RoanKattouw>	!e GlobalBlocking | Prom_cat 
[16:41:07] --mwbot--	Prom_cat: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GlobalBlocking
[16:41:13] <Splarka>	RoanKattouw: I don't believe so, check how the tor block function works
[16:41:18] <RoanKattouw>	No idea if that's what you need, but the name's very similar
[16:41:28] <Prom_cat>	That does IP only
[16:41:37] <Prom_cat>	Im talking about actaull accounts
[16:41:38] <Splarka>	you can have 10 edits and be autoconfirmed, and then switch to a tor IP, and not be autoconfirmed, where 50 edits are required (like on En.wp)
[16:41:49] <RoanKattouw>	Splarka: Really? If you remove someone's autoconfirmed group it won't be readded?
[16:41:50] <Splarka>	it is implicit in that each attempt to use it checks it
[16:41:58] <Splarka>	you don't add or remove implicit groups
[16:42:04] <Splarka>	their existence is quantum
[16:42:11] <RoanKattouw>	Right, they're like imaginary
[16:42:13] <RoanKattouw>	Sort of
[16:42:17] <RoanKattouw>	Not in the DB anyway
[16:42:29] <Splarka>	if you try to edit, and if edit is restricted to autoconfirmed, the state of autoconfirmyness is checked on edit attempt
[16:42:36] <RoanKattouw>	Right
[16:42:50] <Prom_cat>	Ok so i get it
[16:42:52] <Splarka>	in that way, a lame rights-removal hack should work with one
[16:42:53] <RoanKattouw>	So how do you remove someone from an implicit group? By defining membership in a smart way?
[16:43:01] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah
[16:43:03] <Splarka>	some if userCan() check for a right to NOT set an implicit group
[16:43:05] <RoanKattouw>	But that's kind of ugly :P
[16:43:09] <Splarka>	else, set the group
[16:43:11] <Splarka>	no kidding
[16:43:46] <Prom_cat>	Perhaps someone should write an extention for *real* global blocking
[16:43:52] *Prom_cat 	hints
[16:44:00] <Splarka>	by hook or by crook
[16:44:11] *Prom_cat 	looks at werdna
[16:44:21] <RoanKattouw>	Like blocking SUL accounts?
[16:44:27] <RoanKattouw>	Sounds more like a new feature for CentralAuth
[16:44:39] <Prom_cat>	That already exists
[16:44:43] <Prom_cat>	its called locking
[16:44:55] <Prom_cat>	Im talking about for shared user tables on a wiki farm
[16:45:03] <Splarka>	well, that exists, Wikia uses it
[16:45:11] <Prom_cat>	So local sysops can block locally and stewards can block globally
[16:45:19] <Mike||away>	No, it doesn't exist in CA
[16:45:26] <Mike||away>	That's an ugly hack called locking.
[16:45:40] <Splarka>	^well, that exists, Wikia uses it, wikia has a shared user table (mostly)
[16:45:44] <Prom_cat>	hence why i said <Prom_cat> its called locking 
[16:45:45] <Mike||away>	It needs to be done properly.
[16:46:02] <Mike||away>	Totally *not* the same thing. Locking is temporary until blocking can be done properly.
[16:46:24] <Mike||away>	Claims that we don't need blocking since we have locking are incorrect and misleading.
[16:46:42] <Splarka>	who claimed that?
[16:46:47] <Prom_cat>	Mike||away: Are you on drugs?
[16:47:08] <Prom_cat>	Forgive me for asking but no one claimed that
[16:47:15] <Splarka>	I do claim though that all these features for CA need to be backported to the much more friendly SUT (real SUL), like multidomain login, darnit ^_^
[16:47:17] <Mike||away>	Not mind-alterind drugs, no.
[16:47:18] <Prom_cat>	and its 3 am and even i nkow that ;)
[16:47:44] <Prom_cat>	Ok well this doesnt help me
[16:47:54] *Prom_cat 	needs answerz dammit :P
[16:47:59] <Mike||away>	Then I misread you. Sorry.
[16:48:00] <Splarka>	you have a real shared user table, right?
[16:48:06] <Prom_cat>	Yes
[16:48:21] <Splarka>	https://svn.wikia-code.com/wikia/trunk/extensions/GlobalBlocking/
[16:48:30] <Splarka>	I believe that is what Wikia uses for the same setup
[16:48:40] <Prom_cat>	Allows user account blockinb?
[16:48:50] <Prom_cat>	if so
[16:48:50] <Prom_cat>	good
[16:48:52] <Prom_cat>	im happy
[16:48:57] <Splarka>	SUL blocking across ~3000 wikis
[16:49:58] <Splarka>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/GlobalBlocking/
[16:50:06] <Splarka>	huh, they even put it in to the real svn
[16:50:18] <Splarka>	hmmm
[16:50:32] <Splarka>	in which case this might not be the right one
[16:50:44] <RoanKattouw>	Splarka: That's for global IP blocking
[16:51:02] <Splarka>	indeed
[16:51:19] <Splarka>	*sigh*
[16:51:21] <Splarka>	darn you Wikia
[16:51:34] <Prom_cat>	Yes
[16:51:37] <Prom_cat>	I just spotted that
[16:51:42] <Prom_cat>	were already using that.
[16:51:52] <Splarka>	I guess what they use for that is 'Regex Block'
[16:52:09] <Splarka>	https://svn.wikia-code.com/wikia/trunk/extensions/wikia/RegexBlock/
[16:53:12] <Prom_cat>	That looks like it could work
[16:58:00] <faceface>	hihi
[16:58:16] <faceface>	Trying to use MediaWiki::API and bumping into problems moving a page
[16:58:46] <faceface>	is http://pastebin.com/m650774a4
[16:59:01] <faceface>	I upgraded my wiki to try to fix this, now 1.13..
[16:59:19] <faceface>	1.13.2
[17:00:46] <faceface>	guess exobuzz isn't around
[17:03:02] <faceface>	trying to upgrade MediaWiki::API
[17:04:10] <CIA-8>	03vyznev * r44412 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
[17:04:10] <CIA-8>	Seems r44406 would've broken the RC feed on secure.wikimedia org: fix by introducing a new config variable $wgRC2UDPScriptUrl (defaulting to $wgServer . $wgScript if not set).
[17:04:11] <CIA-8>	NOTE: Wikimedia's secure.php needs to be updated to use the new variable. It might be possible to retire the fixupSquidUrl() hack once this is done, though I'm not sure if anything else relies on it.
[17:06:31] <faceface>	same error
[17:06:46] <faceface>	does the move action of the API work?
[17:07:09] <Splarka>	does in 1.14 anyway
[17:07:11] <Splarka>	pokle roan ^_^
[17:07:55] <faceface>	GAH... sorry
[17:08:01] <faceface>	its a setting
[17:08:11] <Splarka>	oop, he got away
[17:08:20] <RoanKattouw_away>	Sorry, will be back in 30 misn
[17:25:19] <CIA-8>	03ialex * r44413 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (CHANGELOG Configure.php): CHANGELOG entry and bump version
[17:30:00] <Lin>	hi there, anyone can help me with:   MySQL returned error "1054: Unknown column 'ipb_enable_autoblock' 
[17:30:01] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Special:CreateProperty' s Allows value list generation feature is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16609  +comment (10yaron57)
[17:30:20] <Lin>	im running version 1.9.0.
[17:34:09] <Vyznev>	Lin: have you run maintenance/update.php?
[17:34:23] <Lin>	Vyznev: no.
[17:34:36] <Vyznev>	try that first
[17:34:48] <brion>	mornin
[17:34:52] <Vyznev>	cd maintenance; php update.php; cd ..
[17:35:16] <Vyznev>	evenin
[17:35:20] <Lin>	Vyznev: =D
[17:35:21] <Lin>	ty
[17:35:48] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) When using $wgCaptchaClass = 'MathCaptcha' Captcha does not appear - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16611 major; normal; MediaWiki extensions: ConfirmEdit; (WP.Wuzur)
[17:39:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable FlaggedRevs custom configuration on he.wikisource - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14648  (10dovijacobs)
[17:44:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Old news keeps popping up on top of the most resent news-lists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16602  +comment (10danny.b)
[17:44:47] <RoanKattouw>	faceface: I'm back. You had an API question?
[17:47:23] <faceface>	RoanKattouw: no its sorted now
[17:47:30] <faceface>	me being dumb as usual ;-)
[17:47:49] <RoanKattouw>	brion: FYI, do *not* scap to any rev between r44015 and r44394, those revs have a major regression in API edit causing page content to be duplicated on every API edit. I'll mark r44015 as resolved on CodeReview. And good evening ;)
[17:50:41] <RoanKattouw>	brion: Oops, I seem to have hit a parsing bug in CodeReview, see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/44015#c853
[17:50:54] <RoanKattouw>	Just typed [[bugzilla:12345|bug 12345]] there
[17:51:08] <faceface>	I'm looking at somethign that seems slightly buggy
[17:51:16] <RoanKattouw>	faceface: API?
[17:51:27] <faceface>	this page http://biodatabase.org/index.php/Ciliate_IES-MDS_database calls a template, that calls a subpage of {{PAGENAME}}
[17:51:33] <faceface>	RoanKattouw: no, templates
[17:51:49] <faceface>	for some reason the included page comes through 'raw'
[17:52:02] <faceface>	the test I made doesn't repat the problem
[17:52:13] <faceface>	http://biodatabase.org/index.php/TEST
[17:52:14] <RoanKattouw>	faceface: What if you purge that page?
[17:52:42] <faceface>	how do I do that?
[17:53:00] <faceface>	?purge=true?
[17:53:07] <RoanKattouw>	action=purge
[17:53:56] <faceface>	what links here shows the old template
[17:59:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Rollback buttons in Special:Recentchanges and Special: Watchlist and Special:RecentChangesLinked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9305  summary; +comment (10nakonwiki)
[18:01:22] *brion-codereview 	slips on his code review shades
[18:01:25] <brion-codereview>	awwwww yeahhhhh
[18:02:47] <w00t>	I'm still in the dark about these lockup problems.. I tried stracing apache while making a few requests, but apart from being a huge chunk of output, the binary blobs here and there also made it quite hard to read - summary: no progress. :-/
[18:04:16] <Charitwo>	It seems that you've been living two lives. One life, you're Brion Vibber, chief technical officer for a respectable non-profit organization. You have a social security number, pay your taxes, and you... help your landlady carry out her garbage. The other life is lived in computers, where you go by the hacker alias "Neo" and are guilty of virtually every computer crime we have a law for. One...
[18:04:18] <Charitwo>	...of these lives has a future, and one of them does not. 
[18:04:47] *brion-codereview 	wants to talk to his cyberlawyer...
[18:04:57] <atglenn>	"No Future for You!" 
[18:05:03] *w00t 	scratches his head and wonders
[18:05:07] <brion-codereview>	I CAN HAZ FUTURES?
[18:06:21] <Vyznev>	they're remnants from the image screwup back in september, I believe
[18:06:31] <Vyznev>	ah, wrong channel :/
[18:06:32] <w00t>	there isn't any kind of error condition that would result in some kind of looping, right..? logging or something maybe?
[18:06:59] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) "noprint" class for Modern skin - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16612 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Modern skin; (fryedpeach)
[18:07:01] <brion-codereview>	werdna|away: if you see this later... configure w/ db connection seems to interfere with the primary DB connection. it's connecting me with regular user instead of admin user eg when i run parser tests, so maint stuff fails
[18:07:15] <Simetrical>	brion-codereview, could you comment again on this bug?  There seems to be no clean technical solution other than just removing the text-transform from MonoBook.  https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553
[18:07:55] <brion-codereview>	Simetrical: if it's not review of new code in the last couple weeks, then no
[18:08:04] <Simetrical>	brion-codereview, okay, later then.
[18:08:09] <brion-codereview>	:)
[18:13:44] <brion-codereview>	Vyznev: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/44412#c854
[18:14:12] <w00t>	anyone..?
[18:16:46] <brion-codereview>	Vyznev: if you don't have time to fix that up in a little bit, i'll just pull those RC/UDP changes for now
[18:18:03] <Vyznev>	I could just revert it back to the getInternalURL()/preg_replace() hack
[18:18:22] <Vyznev>	sec...
[18:19:12] <brion-codereview>	tx
[18:37:14] *FollowTheMedia 	is washing dishes
[18:38:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "noprint" class for Modern skin - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16612  (10danny.b)
[18:38:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CSS (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12788  (10danny.b)
[18:41:42] <CIA-8>	03vyznev * r44414 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): revert r44412 and part of r44406: keep the improved new page URLs, but use the old getInternalURL()/preg_replace() hack to generate them
[18:42:06] <brion-codereview>	tx
[18:49:29] <CIA-8>	03brion * r44415 10/trunk/phase3/includes/RecentChange.php: add debug lines for UDP output so it can be more easily tested offline
[18:51:13] *w00t 	tries again
[18:52:03] <w00t>	so, my mediawiki installation is still killing apache children, they stop doing anything strace-wise, but still consume tonnes of CPU.. continues until httpd is restarted, ultimately leading to a deadlock
[18:52:19] <w00t>	i know that mediawiki is the problem, because other PHP apps don't cause the same phenomena regardless of requests
[18:52:37] <w00t>	i've tried googling on this, i've tried replacing and upgrading pretty much everything, and i'm still encountering the same problem
[18:52:50] <w00t>	has anyone got ideas of stuff I can look at? because i'm really out of them now
[18:54:17] <Vyznev>	w00t: have you already tried setting $wgDebugLogFile and seeing how far it gets before it locks up?
[18:55:01] <w00t>	Vyznev: that's the frustrating thing.. pages are delivered successfully, but after that, the child isn't released for future requests
[18:55:03] <Dantman>	^_^ "Just because something is the cause of the 'issue', does not mean that it's the cause of the 'problem'."
[18:55:09] <w00t>	and i'm not certain it is _always_ locking up
[18:55:23] <LaptopBrain>	hi w00t
[18:55:39] <w00t>	hi hi, i've just been asking the fine folks here about our problems :p
[18:55:40] <LaptopBrain>	hi everyone. im here about the problem w00t's been telling you about. extra pair of eyes and all that
[18:56:05] <Vyznev>	and you get "Request ended normally" in the log?
[18:56:14] <w00t>	Dantman: I'm aware of this, which is why I am asking here rather than just replacing mediawiki
[18:56:30] <Dantman>	Heh... that was just a bit of philosophical
[18:56:40] <w00t>	Vyznev: the requests seem to be logged normally, yes, nothing helpful in error logs either
[18:56:55] <w00t>	Dantman: yeah, just sayin' :)
[18:57:38] <Dantman>	ie: Say using MediaWiki causes an issue with Apache... Just cause MediaWiki causes an issue with it, doesn't mean that it's MediaWiki's fault and not Apache being shitty ( ;) Which we all know it is anyways)
[18:57:47] <Dantman>	heh
[18:59:00] <Dantman>	personally I use nginx on my own wikis
[18:59:49] <Dantman>	;) And /god/ make sure that all of the fcgi-php and nginx instances stay alive
[18:59:54] <Dantman>	makes*
[19:00:01] <w00t>	Dantman: I'm more than willing to swap and change stuff around, but, when it works for a lot of other people (wikimedia included), I don't think that apache on it's own is the core of the problem
[19:00:07] <LaptopBrain>	isnt nginx just a reverse proxy?
[19:00:38] <LaptopBrain>	w00t, we cant really change httpds
[19:00:44] <Dantman>	It's a lightweight webserver... but yes, it's speciality is reverse proxying
[19:00:50] <w00t>	not easily, no.. we'd have a hell of a lot of config to rewrite
[19:01:05] <Dantman>	Heh... I don't like Apache config
[19:01:14] <LaptopBrain>	as we're not just a site with a wiki on it, svn dav needs to work, as does vbulletin and viewvc, plus the rest of our php... and not slowly :p
[19:01:32] <yksinaisyyteni>	w00t: have you tried attaching a debugger to the stuck httpd and seeing what it's doing?
[19:01:35] <w00t>	I was meaning, if it can be demonstrated that this _is_ the problem, then it may have to become possible
[19:01:48] <Dantman>	;) You do know that it's possible to reverse proxy your existing apache
[19:01:55] <yksinaisyyteni>	(the problem is most likely inside PHP, assuming you use mod_php)
[19:02:02] <w00t>	yksinaisyyteni: I have tried strace, which showed that it was doing nothing at all, essentially
[19:02:04] <LaptopBrain>	i just wonder why it only just started happening. it sounds more like some wiki table has filled and is querying slowly.
[19:02:09] <yksinaisyyteni>	w00t: strace only shows system calls
[19:02:12] <LaptopBrain>	hmm, w00t see pm
[19:02:16] <yksinaisyyteni>	w00t: most likely it's stuck inside user code, which a debugger can examine
[19:02:27] <w00t>	yes, xdebug was my next likely step
[19:02:32] <yksinaisyyteni>	i was thinking more like gdb
[19:02:41] <w00t>	I really don't want to have to do that
[19:02:47] <w00t>	this site recieves a lot of hits/sec
[19:02:48] <yksinaisyyteni>	why?  it only takes 10 seconds
[19:02:56] <yksinaisyyteni>	and your httpd is stuck anyway, so it's not going to break it any more
[19:03:07] <LaptopBrain>	yksinaisyyteni: yeah i was thinking something that mediawiki does triggers Something Bad (tm) in mod_php5
[19:03:10] <Dantman>	technically using FastCGI is little different than reverse-proxying http
[19:03:14] <w00t>	it's not stuck currently, because i've pissed off the wiki
[19:03:28] <w00t>	it means that we have an operational site, just without a wiki right now :P
[19:03:29] <yksinaisyyteni>	w00t: if you can't reproduce the problem you can't solve it
[19:03:32] <yksinaisyyteni>	w00t: set up a test environment
[19:03:44] <LaptopBrain>	we can only duplicate it here, on the live site, atm
[19:03:51] <LaptopBrain>	a test environment wont have the same issue
[19:04:02] <LaptopBrain>	and if the test environment runs on the same httpd, it will cripple the live environment with it anyway. :p
[19:05:48] <Vyznev>	well... try to make the test environment more and more exactly like the live site until you can reproduce it
[19:06:21] <w00t>	okay, so long story short is that nobody has any ideas of specific stuff to check?
[19:06:27] <w00t>	good-o, thanks.
[19:06:38] <Vyznev>	if you find that your test environment does _everything_ the live site does exactly the same way and still doesn't fail, you can just deploy the test system live :)
[19:06:41] <yksinaisyyteni>	it could be anything, it's impossible to say without more details
[19:06:47] <Vyznev>	no, sorry :(
[19:07:21] <LaptopBrain>	no the only way for us to do that is to clone the entire disk of our live environment
[19:07:30] <RoanKattouw>	Well I'd say let gdb attach to the locked up httpd process and see if you can get a useful backtrace
[19:07:38] <RoanKattouw>	But yksinaisyyteni already suggested that
[19:08:00] <LaptopBrain>	RoanKattouw: that we could do, just so long as httpd and php can be buit with -O0 -g
[19:08:31] <CIA-8>	03dale * r44416 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/ (8 files in 6 dirs): 
[19:08:31] <CIA-8>	* updates to stream interface
[19:08:31] <CIA-8>	* style updates
[19:08:31] <CIA-8>	* improved time text support
[19:08:31] <CIA-8>	** inline timed text jumping for remote embeds
[19:08:31] <CIA-8>	** improved language SRT selection example
[19:08:34] <RoanKattouw>	That's what I meant by "useful", yes. I don't know how much debug info there is in the standard httpd binary. I'm guessing it's not enoug
[19:08:36] <RoanKattouw>	h
[19:08:58] <CIA-8>	03brion * r44417 10/trunk/tools/planet/sr/config.ini: removing feedburner feed per milos's request -- some sort of spam prob :(
[19:09:07] <Vyznev>	LaptopBrain: _could_ you clone the entire disk?  that would certainly give you a good test environment.
[19:09:13] <LaptopBrain>	RoanKattouw: not enough, ive tried it without
[19:09:19] <LaptopBrain>	a page full of ????? is about all you get.
[19:09:23] <RoanKattouw>	Right
[19:09:26] <RoanKattouw>	I expected that
[19:09:49] <LaptopBrain>	Vyznev: no. im not made of money, and i doubt my provider wants to go to the datacentre and do that, or have a free pc that matches its spec (its pretty old now), nor do i want the downtime
[19:09:50] <CIA-8>	03dale * r44418 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/mv_embed/example_usage/sample_timed_text.php: updated sample page
[19:09:52] <RoanKattouw>	So set up a test env with an Apache that does have debugging symbols
[19:10:10] <RoanKattouw>	(if you can)
[19:10:42] <RoanKattouw>	Or just compile Apache with -O0 -g and let it run on the same config, that should be good enough
[19:29:44] <CIA-8>	03yaron * r44419 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormInputs.inc: Fixed bug in setting of values - is this code even used?
[19:35:34] <CIA-8>	03yaron * r44420 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormInputs.inc: Added initialization of AM/PM variable
[19:41:34] <CIA-8>	03brion * r44421 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ChangesList.php: 
[19:41:34] <CIA-8>	Revert r44119 "Remove extract() comment"
[19:41:34] <CIA-8>	extract() is pretty much the devil and shouldn't ever be used for safe, legible
[19:41:34] <CIA-8>	code because it makes it much more difficult to analyse the code -- you have to
[19:41:35] <CIA-8>	run around trying to track down the source of local variables and there's
[19:41:35] <CIA-8>	generally a lot of pain.
[19:41:39] <CIA-8>	Removing the FIXME comment isn't a substitute for fixing it. ;)
[19:42:08] <RoanKattouw>	brion-codereview: I agree about extract(), unfortunately Yuri didn't. I intend to remove the extract() crap from some API modules some daty
[19:42:54] <brion-codereview>	:D
[19:43:53] <RoanKattouw>	The main reason why I dislike it is that in order to make it safe, you need to do $param1 = $param2 = ... = $paramN = null; before the extract(); call
[19:45:15] <Vyznev>	still, there are better and worse alternatives to extract()
[19:45:36] <RoanKattouw>	Well $params = $this->extractRequestParams(); is one of the better ones
[19:45:50] <Vyznev>	for example, the one suggested in RecentChange.php seems one of the worse ones to me
[19:46:08] <Vyznev>	 // FIXME: Would be good to replace these 2 extract() calls with something more explicit
[19:46:11] <Vyznev>	 // e.g. list ($rc_type, $rc_id) = array_values ($this->mAttribs); [or something like that]
[19:46:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Old news keeps popping up on top of the most resent news-lists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16602  (10djevelunge)
[19:47:08] <RoanKattouw>	Hmm an alternative (no judgment on it) would be $rc_type = array_pop($this->mAttribs); $rc_id = array_pop($this->mAttribs);
[19:47:20] <RoanKattouw>	Or just make $this->mAttribs an associative array
[19:47:52] <Vyznev>	RoanKattouw: that's kind of the point: $this->mAttribs _is_ an associative array
[19:48:00] <RoanKattouw>	...
[19:48:03] <RoanKattouw>	Right.
[19:48:21] <RoanKattouw>	So $rc_id = $this->mAttribs['id']; or whatever the index is would work? That's *way* cleaner
[19:48:24] <Nikerabbit>	if we are treating it as a black bag.. why can't we just use $foo->rc_id, and a local variable if space is really in short?
[19:48:52] <brion-codereview>	$this->mAttribs['blah'] should be fine honestly :)
[19:48:56] <Vyznev>	Nikerabbit: that would probably be the cleanest solution, yes
[19:49:14] <Nikerabbit>	$foo->mAttribs['baa']; is too verbose when shorter alternative is available
[19:49:20] <brion-codereview>	preferably make mAttribs not suck as a name tho
[19:49:32] <brion-codereview>	or hell, just pass the attribs straight in as member vars
[19:49:35] <brion-codereview>	$this->cur_id
[19:49:49] <Nikerabbit>	that is done already, unless I'm mistaken
[19:49:56] <brion-codereview>	then wtf? :P
[19:50:18] <Nikerabbit>	perhaps I am... you never know
[19:51:16] <brion-codereview>	hmmmm
[19:51:27] <brion-codereview>	show/hide links on Special:Ipblocklist don't work properly
[19:51:33] <brion-codereview>	rather, 'hide' links work but 'show' links don't :)
[19:58:51] <brion-codereview>	found it
[20:00:56] <yoyo[RKN]>	how can I setup my mediawiki search box to make suggestions if I enter a search string (mediawiki 1.6.8)
[20:01:14] <twordley>	i just installed mediawiki for the first time on centos 5.2.  I go to the mainpage and there are no tabs or graphics just text.  Do i have to change something in the LocalSettings.php to enable the normal wiki look? 
[20:01:30] <ialex>	yoyo[RKN]: requires MW 1.13+
[20:01:39] <yoyo[RKN]>	oh
[20:01:51] <CIA-8>	03brion * r44422 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialIpblocklist.php: Fix regression in Special:Ipblocklist caused by r43047 -- options arrays in show/hide links broken by being merged in the wrong order when moved from wfArrayMerge() to "+" operator.
[20:16:38] <c0oLc0lD>	Nabend
[20:28:40] <c0oLc0lD>	Irgendwer da?
[20:33:01] <Wuzur>	c0oLc0lD: klar
[20:33:36] <c0oLc0lD>	Hm, kannst du mir vielleicht bei wat helfen? Hab ein kleines Problem beim Konfigurieren einer eigenen Wiki
[20:33:53] <Wuzur>	wenn du deine Frage stellen würdest, ja ;)
[20:35:08] <c0oLc0lD>	Naja, ich hab keine Ahnung von PHP, ich hatte einfach zusammen mit nem Kollegen die Idee, eine Wiki zu erstellen. Hab diese dann geladen, entpackt und auf einen Server gepackt. Als ich sied darauf dann installieren wollte, musste ich ja diese ganzen Daten da angeben
[20:35:17] <c0oLc0lD>	Unter anderem auch bei Database config
[20:35:32] <c0oLc0lD>	Und egal was ich da angab, der wollte nicht installieren
[20:35:47] <c0oLc0lD>	Ich hab dann irgendwo gelesen, man muss vorher einen Account vorkonfigurieren
[20:35:52] <Wuzur>	c0oLc0lD: Hast du denn eine Datenbank installiert?
[20:36:00] <c0oLc0lD>	Ja, ist soweit alles vorhanden
[20:36:29] <Wuzur>	Hast du phpmyadmin drauf (kein Muss, macht die Sache aber leichter)
[20:36:47] <c0oLc0lD>	Wenn mans manuell installieren muss, dann wohl nicht ^^
[20:37:10] <apollolux>	hi, i have one quick question. i modified LocalSettings.php to have the following:
[20:37:14] <Wuzur>	c0oLc0lD: Probier an die Domain /phpmyadmin/ zu hängen
[20:37:15] <apollolux>	$wgScriptPath       = "/mediawiki";
[20:37:16] <apollolux>	$wgArticlePath      = "/ccfw/$1";
[20:37:17] <apollolux>	$wgScriptExtension  = ".php";
[20:37:19] <apollolux>	$wgUsePathInfo      = true;
[20:37:53] <c0oLc0lD>	Also die Wiki soll praktisch in den "Ordner", ja?
[20:37:56] <apollolux>	but the edit/talk/login/etc links use $wgScriptPath in their urls instead of $wgArticlePath
[20:38:32] <apollolux>	.htaccess is edited properly too to use the simple mod_rewrite method
[20:38:34] <Wuzur>	c0oLc0lD: ich versteh dich grade nicht, aber auf jeden Fall müsstest du in der Datenbank einen Benutzer mit entsprechenden Rechten anlegen
[20:38:45] <c0oLc0lD>	Jo, ok
[20:38:58] <Wuzur>	apollolux: It's the normal behavior
[20:39:52] <apollolux>	so it'll always show the actual file location in those links instead of my rewritten version?
[20:40:12] <Wuzur>	jep, it's the same as it is in Wikipedia
[20:40:40] <apollolux>	thanks very much!
[20:41:00] <apollolux>	bye.
[20:41:03] <Wuzur>	k
[20:41:27] <Vyznev>	oh, he left already :/
[20:41:32] <Vyznev>	I was going to mention $wgActionPaths
[20:41:47] *Vyznev 	shrugs
[20:50:26] <nakon>	second link was 404'd
[20:51:48] <c0oLc0lD>	Hm, hatte ich schon alles aufm Server merke ich gerade XD
[20:52:02] <c0oLc0lD>	Sollte vielleicht vorher mal ausf�hrlicher den Server durchschauen
[21:27:05] <fface>	hi, {{BASEPAGENAME}} {{SUBPAGENAME}} seem broken
[21:27:11] <fface>	http://biodatabase.org/index.php?title=Ciliate_IES-MDS_database/NAR&action=edit
[21:27:20] <fface>	bleah, drop the edit part
[21:27:36] <fface>	http://biodatabase.org/index.php/Ciliate_IES-MDS_database/NAR
[21:28:12] <fface>	the {{SUBPAGENAME}} for example returns the full page name
[21:28:31] <fface>	should I log a bug, or did I just do something wrong?
[21:28:44] <fface>	or is the documentaion wrong?
[21:29:08] <fface>	or can you not hear me without a registered nick?
[21:29:33] <Danjo>	In MediaWiki page history can I give a different name then the log in id for the User who modified the page? 
[21:29:38] <fface>	or is my internet connection so crawlingly slow... (sorry bout that)
[21:29:43] <Danjo>	Thanks
[21:29:57] <fface>	Danjo: why do you want to do that?
[21:30:12] <fface>	Danjo: you can hack it using the backend...
[21:30:18] <yksinaisyyteni>	fface: it looks like you haven't enabled subpages in that namespace
[21:30:18] <Danjo>	I am authenticating the user against an external db and the user name is the email id
[21:30:24] <Danjo>	I want to use their Alias instead
[21:30:32] <fface>	yksinaisyyteni: oh...
[21:30:46] <fface>	yksinaisyyteni: its the main namespace...
[21:31:00] <fface>	are they only in Talk by default or something like that?
[21:31:10] <yksinaisyyteni>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgNamespacesWithSubpages
[21:31:26] <fface>	ty yksinaisyyteni 
[21:32:02] <fface>	yksinaisyyteni: if I enable that, what happens to pages with / in their name?
[21:32:14] <yksinaisyyteni>	they become subpages
[21:32:15] <fface>	I guess they get squashed?
[21:32:21] <Danjo>	Any particular file I should look? I am able to modify the $user object after log in but it immediately logs me out. 
[21:32:24] <fface>	oh, cool
[21:32:37] <fface>	Danjo: I don't know
[21:41:07] <fface>	yksinaisyyteni: lets see if they get squashed...
[21:41:36] <yksinaisyyteni>	i don't know what "squashed" means.  enabling it does nothing to existing pages
[21:41:41] <fface>	Cool :D
[21:41:44] <yksinaisyyteni>	it just means that having / in a page title means it's a subpage
[21:42:21] <fface>	yksinaisyyteni: if you have a page called "blerg:hi", and you define a namespace called "blerg", the old "blerg:hi" page dissapears
[21:42:31] <yksinaisyyteni>	subpages don't work like that
[21:42:36] <fface>	I was wondering if that would happen
[21:42:41] <fface>	(something similar)
[21:42:42] <CIA-8>	03dale * r44423 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/ (5 files in 4 dirs): 
[21:42:42] <CIA-8>	IE, Safari javascript fixes.
[21:42:42] <CIA-8>	sample page updates
[21:42:47] <fface>	yeah, I see its just 'working' :-)
[21:43:15] <fface>	by 'squashed' I meant 'temporarily clobbered'
[21:43:34] <Splarka>	enabling subpages in a namespace does 4 things:
[21:43:34] <fface>	you heard of clobbering?
[21:43:53] <Splarka>	1. [[/foo]] links work differently (relatively, for subpages)
[21:43:53] *fface 	sits comfortably
[21:44:02] <Splarka>	2. {{SUBPAGENAME}} / {{BASEPAGENAME}} start working as expected
[21:44:13] <fface>	check
[21:44:16] <Splarka>	3. breadcrumbs in the contentSub start appearing, if parent pages exist
[21:44:25] <fface>	yup
[21:44:32] <Splarka>	so if you're on [[Foo/bar/baz]] and [[Foo]] exists, that is linked, but not /bar unless it too exists
[21:44:46] <fface>	nice
[21:44:55] <Splarka>	4. RFC gets started, ArbCom gets involved, and it gets reverted (en.wp only)
[21:45:01] <fface>	only one question... why the heck are they turned off by default?
[21:45:04] <Splarka>	and baby jesus cries
[21:45:08] <fface>	ing?
[21:45:17] <fface>	WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[21:45:30] <Splarka>	because they aren't desired in main namespace in Wikipedia
[21:45:46] <fface>	oh, the big P
[21:46:00] *fface 	sucks in a huge breath for ranting with
[21:46:03] <Splarka>	and so it trickles down to a de-facto default (or rather, it was a feature that came later that was deemed best kept in certain 'other' namespaces or something)
[21:46:07] <Splarka>	wait, before you do.. heh
[21:46:11] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) API allows protection configuration that GUI does not allow, then fails to set them - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16613 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: API; (EN.WP.ST47)
[21:46:14] <Splarka>	mediawiki.org has another problem
[21:46:30] <fface>	why doesn't MW branch for WP?
[21:46:34] <Splarka>	it has subpaging in main, but _not_ in template, which is annoying
[21:46:45] <Splarka>	it does, it is called phase3 ^_^
[21:46:53] <fface>	so many nice features for MW are 'undesirable' for WP because WP is frickin massive
[21:47:21] <fface>	you mean trunk or something?
[21:47:41] <Splarka>	the releases are branched off of the development version, so to speak
[21:48:04] <Splarka>	but it does branch (well, deviate) itself in settings anyway, it has miser mode for example, which isn't default
[21:48:47] <yksinaisyyteni>	fface: mediawiki was written soley for use on wikipedia
[21:48:48] <Splarka>	it just happens that certain defaults that existed before they became optional, such as subpaging, are the de-factor because most individual mediawiki users use it on wikimedia, or something, that's my theory anyway
[21:48:56] <yksinaisyyteni>	fface: if there would be any branch, it would be a non-WP one, not the other way around
[21:49:29] <Splarka>	and some settings, that Wikipedia changed (or never wanted) later, like external images, that used to be default on in a new install, later became default off
[21:50:04] <fface>	yksinaisyyteni: don't bother me with perverted details!
[21:50:46] <fface>	I mean its a great case study in scaleability of MW, but 'the majority' of MW users are not to interested in that 
[21:51:05] <fface>	anyway, every community needs malcontents I guess... so ... Grrr!
[21:53:13] <Duesentrieb>	mediawiki really isn't such a great choice for a small wiki. i wonder why people use it.
[21:53:27] <Duesentrieb>	i mean, they don't use a bulldozer to mow their lawn, do they?
[21:53:29] <Splarka>	to come here and whine about it, masochists
[21:53:48] <fface>	wine wine wine
[21:54:15] <fface>	why do people even choose to use this great robust scalable familiar project? moan moan moan
[21:55:25] <fface>	so how come supaging changes the transclusion behaviour?
[21:55:35] <fface>	that wasn't on your list of 4 things that would happen!
[21:55:48] <domas>	mediawiki sucks!
[21:56:37] <Splarka>	<Splarka> 1. [[/foo]] links work differently (relatively, for subpages)
[21:56:45] <Splarka>	that'd be 1a. if you mean {{/foo}} type stuff
[21:57:06] <fface>	oh ... can I xclude a subpage into its basepage?
[21:57:17] <fface>	by x I mean trans
[21:57:24] <Splarka>	if you want to, but best not to ever use relative paths ever, since they change behavior
[21:57:28] <Duesentrieb>	you can transclude any page anywhere.
[21:57:33] <fface>	by all that I mean, can I transclude a subpage into its basepage?
[21:57:36] <Duesentrieb>	but that's the shortcut synatx for subpages, yea
[21:57:38] <Splarka>	{{{{FULLPAGENAME}}\doc}}
[21:57:43] <Splarka>	er /doc
[21:57:57] <fface>	ahhh... right
[21:58:08] <fface>	I am using {{PAGENAME}}/Foo
[21:58:13] <Splarka>	right, use FULL
[21:58:18] <fface>	hrm... that should work
[21:58:18] <Splarka>	just in case it is in another namespace
[21:58:23] <fface>	how come?
[21:58:25] <Splarka>	...
[21:58:27] <fface>	snot
[21:58:29] <Splarka>	because it won't work in other namespaces
[21:58:38] <Splarka>	{{PAGENAME}} in User:Foo will see 'Foo'
[21:58:46] <Splarka>	{{FULLPAGENAME}} will be 'User:Foo'
[21:58:50] <fface>	sure
[21:58:55] <fface>	but I only want it in main 
[21:59:18] <Splarka>	well, you're probably gonna make a template, like..
[21:59:27] <Splarka>	{{foo}} with contents {{{{FULLPAGENAME}}/foo}}
[21:59:36] <Splarka>	what happens if you use it in another namespace? OMG think of the children
[21:59:45] <Splarka>	no need to make it more broken than it is
[21:59:52] <Splarka>	except to save 4 bytes of db space
[22:00:08] <fface>	I see... there is no harm using full right? but I want to work out why its failing in main with {{PAGENAME}} at the moment
[22:00:24] <Splarka>	"because you touch yourself"
[22:00:29] <Splarka>	says the magic 8 ball
[22:00:30] <Dantman|Work>	^_^ Actually, that extra template probably takes up more than that 4byte saving
[22:00:43] *fface 	weeps at the truth
[22:00:51] <Splarka>	cue pedant, right on time
[22:01:05] <Splarka>	Dan: not if the template will exist anyway, and the only difference is adding FULL or not
[22:01:16] <Splarka>	(assuming it isn't a standalone revision to create it)
[22:01:29] <Splarka>	((in which case it is a few extra bytes, but I am trying to understand their reluctance to do it RIGHT))
[22:01:30] <fface>	it works fine in my test case
[22:01:36] <fface>	sigh
[22:02:18] <fface>	Splarka: just trying to work out why its failing
[22:02:38] <fface>	and yes, I am a 'they'
[22:03:18] <Splarka>	paste your code so that we might derise it
[22:03:30] <fface>	heheh
[22:03:45] <Splarka>	(pastebin if more than one line)
[22:04:02] <fface>	here is the test working as expected... http://biodatabase.org/index.php/TEST
[22:05:56] <fface>	D'oh
[22:06:05] <fface>	missing / in </noinclude>
[22:06:20] <fface>	in the page I was trying to xclude
[22:06:51] <fface>	here is code (workign) http://biodatabase.org/index.php/Ciliate_IES-MDS_database
[22:07:06] <fface>	feel free to deride ;-)
[22:07:18] <CIA-8>	03brion * r44424 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/FileRepo.php: 
[22:07:18] <CIA-8>	Follow-up to r44216/r44217 "Followup to r44204. Hardcoding image because it
[22:07:18] <CIA-8>	should (in theory) work always and forever. If you have a wiki acting as repo
[22:07:18] <CIA-8>	and you've overridden the canonical name Image: it's your own fault."
[22:07:18] <CIA-8>	It was noted that the existing code could fail for unusual article path settings including a suffix if only the 'articleUrl' was available. Pretty corner case, and probably breaks a lot of other things, but who knows. :)
[22:07:21] <CIA-8>	Went ahead and refactored this a bit to handle the case and feel a little cleaner to me...
[22:07:23] <CIA-8>	Dropped the private getDescBaseUrl() method since this seems a little easier to handle directly in getDescriptionUrl() now.
[22:12:45] <Dantman|Work>	Ahh... it's the stupid name again... Splarka, time to talk about more checkboxes? ;)
[22:15:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) API allows protection configuration that GUI does not allow, then fails to set them - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16613  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[22:16:34] <Splarka>	the devil is in the checkboxes
[22:17:36] <Splarka>	<input type="checkbox" id="morecheckboxen" name="morecheckboxen" /><label for="morecheckboxen">I can has checkboxen?</label>
[22:18:36] <RoanKattouw>	brion-codereview: Got a question for ya. It appears that trying to cascade-protect a page with edit=sysop and move=all (i.e. no move restrictions) isn't possible, because Article::updateRestrictions() requires *all* protection levels to be 'sysop' or 'protect' so people can't cheat and protect pages while they aren't allowed to. I agree that edit=sysop should be checked, but move=sysop (and...
[22:18:37] <RoanKattouw>	...customrestrictiontype=sysop FTM) shouldn't be required. Would you be open to loosening that requirement so the software only checks for edit=sysop and leaves the rest alone?
[22:19:28] <Dantman|Work>	For me, I prefer: <input type="checkbox" id="morecheckboxen" bind:persistent="checkbox-canhaz" label="I can has checkboxen?" /> ^_^
[22:20:03] <Splarka>	well, I unchecked it either way, none for you, make a lolcat about it
[22:21:00] <brion-codereview>	RoanKattouw: if anyone can move the page, it's.... well.... kinda lame since it may as well be editable (it can be replaced trivially?) or wtf? don't understand the use case here
[22:21:38] <RoanKattouw>	brion-codereview: Well the point is that people without protect rights shouldn't be able to protect a page by including it in a cascade-protected page. But moving the page doesn't affect that
[22:22:11] <RoanKattouw>	Of course when edit is restricted but move isn't you can move the page elsewhere and create a new page with the same title, but it won't be the same page for the purposes of cascading protection
[22:22:20] <RoanKattouw>	('cause the protection moves along with the page)
[22:22:21] <Splarka>	where is "protect all subpages" *hides*
[22:22:25] <brion-codereview>	RoanKattouw: this sounds like it would take some time to wrap my mind around. if it hasn't changed in the last three weeks, we'll talk later since it's not part of code review
[22:22:31] <RoanKattouw>	Right
[22:22:52] <RoanKattouw>	In that case I'll just commit my suggestion tomorrow so you're forced to look at it
[22:22:53] *RoanKattouw 	hides
[22:22:55] <RoanKattouw>	:)
[22:23:17] <Splarka>	I liked the idea of having a textarea on the protect form for raw PHP
[22:23:31] <RoanKattouw>	I agree that the use case is doubtful, but some guy filed an API bug report citing that use case
[22:23:33] <Splarka>	let the fsckers put in their own rules
[22:24:02] <RoanKattouw>	The bug being that the API reports a page was cascade-protected while it really wasn't because it doesn't meet the criteria (which doesn't really have much to do with my request)
[22:24:15] <Dantman|Work>	Hmmm... Splarka, that's a tempting feature to put in my own engine... ^_^ Want to remind me of that one sometime in the future? heh
[22:24:19] <Splarka>	if it is sunday and the user doesn't end in 'Y' and is a sysop and has more than 20 edits but less than 15, let them add external URLs but not move it or any subpages unless they move it to user namespace
[22:24:29] *Splarka 	stabs Dan
[22:24:59] <RoanKattouw>	Splarka: Interesting feature. I look forward to reading a bug report complaining that it doesn't work in some obscure case ;)
[22:25:31] <Dantman|Work>	Well... sandboxed JS is much more secure than raw PHP. So I can implement it in a JS based engine easier than it would be in a php one
[22:26:58] <Splarka>	php is lazy
[22:27:09] <Splarka>	simply eval it on attempt to modify a page
[22:27:21] <Splarka>	and it will illustrate to the whiners just how hard it is to implement their requests
[22:27:47] <Splarka>	"*whine* I want separate expiration dates for move and edit protection" "I want one expiration date for your life" "wut?"
[22:28:10] <RoanKattouw>	Splarka: The former is actually possible with the API
[22:28:29] <Splarka>	death to the UI! API forever!
[22:30:04] *Dantman|Work 	drools over the fact that he can open up a terminal type `monkeyscript -i` and right away be dropped into a js console
[22:31:26] <Duesentrieb>	yay, an interactive script interpreter! why didn't anyone think of this before?
[22:31:31] <Duesentrieb>	oh, wait.
[22:31:46] <CIA-8>	03brion * r44425 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialImport.php: 
[22:31:46] <CIA-8>	Follow-up to r44245, r44250 (comment field on Special:Import)
[22:31:47] <CIA-8>	Label now clickable for comment field on the transwiki form as well as the upload form; gave them both distinctive IDs.
[22:31:51] <Splarka>	eval(document.getElementsByTagName('textarea')[0].value)
[22:32:31] <Dantman|Work>	Actually, there's more to it than just the interpreter.... actually it's a repl implemented inside js itself (extensible to)
[22:32:52] <Dantman|Work>	Access to the SDF is available right away
[22:33:05] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Add log comment field when importing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12728  +comment (10brion)
[22:35:56] <werdnum>	good morning, all.
[22:39:56] <CIA-8>	03catrope * r44426 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
[22:39:56] <CIA-8>	* API: (bug 16613) action=protect doesn't say when &cascade is set but cascading protection wasn't allowed
[22:39:56] <CIA-8>	* Changed Article::updateRestrictions()'s $cascade parameter to a reference which is set to false if cascading protection isn't allowed
[22:39:56] <CIA-8>	* Used this in ApiProtect
[22:39:57] <werdnum>	18:07 #mediawiki: < brion-codereview> werdna|away: if you see this later... configure w/ db connection seems to interfere with the primary DB connection. it's connecting me with regular user instead of admin user eg when i run parser tests, so maint stuff fails
[22:39:57] <CIA-8>	* Expand help message for &cascade a bit
[22:40:01] <werdnum>	ugh, lame.
[22:40:03] *werdnum 	looks.
[22:41:22] <brion-codereview>	++
[22:41:26] <CIA-8>	03brion * r44427 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Import.php: 
[22:41:26] <CIA-8>	Attempting to import a title that came out as an interwiki would sort of half-work somewhere then explode when trying to save the null revision with the import info:
[22:41:26] <CIA-8>	Fatal error: Call to a member function insertOn() on a non-object in /Library/WebServer/Documents/trunk/includes/specials/SpecialImport.php on line 305
[22:41:26] <CIA-8>	Now such titles are skipped. You can probably force import of the page by forcing the target namespace...
[22:41:29] <CIA-8>	Better long-term solution might include title renormalization, adapation of remote namespace names (eg Wikipedia -> Project), etc.
[22:44:19] <brion-codereview>	"If the open_basedir PHP option is turned on, this prevents the execution of the
[22:44:19] <brion-codereview>	external program because /dev is not usually included in the open_basedir
[22:44:19] <brion-codereview>	paths." wtf?
[22:44:55] <brion-codereview>	ok i'm not sure i get this
[22:45:09] <brion-codereview>	does anyone ever actually create a copy of /dev/null in a different location for this purpose?
[22:45:25] <werdnum>	I'm assuming the reason for that is that it opens a DB connection during LocalSettings.php, and $wgDBuser is overridden *after* LocalSettings.php, but before Setup.php.
[22:45:42] <brion-codereview>	perhaps...
[22:45:48] <brion-codereview>	the connection's then left open and gets reused
[22:45:54] <brion-codereview>	yick :)
[22:46:01] <werdnum>	If a DB connection is opened, then it reuses the connection, regardless of if the username, password match.
[22:46:43] <werdnum>	I really wonder whether we shouldn't be doing Configure stuff (for the DB handler, at least) in Setup.php, after caches are set up?
[22:47:16] <werdnum>	Of course, the fun part is that the files handler lets you set DB and memcached settings, so that would have to be done before DB and memcached.
[22:50:24] <brion-codereview>	complicated eh ;)
[22:50:28] <werdnum>	We could also just not use the load balancers and such, but I think that would mean that all Configure queries would go to the same server, which would kinda suck.
[22:51:04] <brion-codereview>	my personal recommendation would be that all low-level DB and cache settings should not be done through configure... mebbe
[22:51:10] <brion-codereview>	then it's probably at least semi-safe :D
[22:51:22] *werdnum 	grumbles that LocalSettings.php is for CONFIGURATION, not running sneaky DB queries every now 'n then.
[22:51:58] <werdnum>	I think we'd need to add a hook in Setup.php at the correct spot.
[22:53:50] <werdnum>	I'm thinking we want to do the extraction after cache setup, but before creating stub objects and loading sessions.
[22:54:40] <werdnum>	That reminds me, the Configure extension replaces $wgConf... How are we going to actually integrate it with our setup?
[22:55:07] <werdnum>	It *does* suck in all of the settings on $wgConf, but I think our caching etc complicates stuff.
[22:58:41] <CIA-8>	03brion * r44428 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[22:58:42] <CIA-8>	Revert r44254 "Cleanup to wfGetNull(): * Add override in case /dev/null isn't accessible (bug 11009)"
[22:58:42] <CIA-8>	Doesn't seem like a proper fix here... At best, this'll be dumping random crap to some random file unless the user has a local copy of the /dev/null device file, which seems.... wrong. :)
[22:58:42] <CIA-8>	For anything generating command lines, it probably won't make any difference (assuming exec() is enabled at all!) since open_basedir won't be searching through the command line (I think).
[22:58:44] <CIA-8>	Assuming the core use case actually happens (open_basedir is set, but
[22:58:46] <CIA-8>	proc_open() is available to run tidy), a more correct fix is probably to go
[22:58:48] <CIA-8>	ahead and read in stderr and toss the results, or maybe better pass it through
[22:58:52] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) open_basedir breaks use of external tidy - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11009  +comment (10brion)
[23:05:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Newpages won't honor &hidepatrolled= 1 for logged out users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16377  (10EN.WP.ST47)
[23:05:53] <ST47>	Is bug 16377 supposed to be a 'feature'?
[23:06:05] <ST47>	Because it looks like it is in the code, but doesn't make any sense
[23:06:58] <CIA-8>	03brion * r44429 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (SearchEngine.php SearchMySQL.php): 
[23:06:58] <CIA-8>	Revert r44257 "Use boolean searching with '?' char"
[23:06:58] <CIA-8>	Let's avoid making up our own syntax that nobody will know or think to try...
[23:06:59] <CIA-8>	Lucene, Google, Yahoo!, and Windows Live search all understand "red OR lion" but see nothing special in "?red ?lion". If we're going to add it, let's make the OR thing work. :)
[23:07:20] <RoanKattouw>	ST47: Well there is this notion that non-patrollers shouldn't be able to see which revisions are patrolled and which aren't
[23:07:26] <RoanKattouw>	It's enforced all over the place
[23:07:38] <Splarka>	and yet they can see the patrol log
[23:07:46] <ST47>	Really. That's the first I've seen of it - so why is the patrol log visible?
[23:07:47] <ST47>	;)
[23:08:55] <werdnum>	teehee
[23:09:11] <RoanKattouw>	Hmm
[23:09:13] <RoanKattouw>	Lol
[23:09:17] <ST47>	Thanks WRT 16613, by the way.
[23:09:30] <RoanKattouw>	No problem
[23:09:34] <ST47>	I feel like an idiot for trying to do that in the first place, but heh
[23:10:19] <werdnum>	brion-codereview: I *think* I have a fix for that issue, basically I added a new hook and we defer using that hook if you use the DB handler.
[23:10:22] <werdnum>	just committing now.
[23:10:51] <brion-codereview>	whee
[23:12:26] <werdnum>	andrew@gcentral_router:~/wm-svn-working$ ~/dcommit.sh
[23:12:27] <werdnum>	whee
[23:15:38] <CIA-8>	03brion * r44430 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (4 files): 
[23:15:39] <CIA-8>	Revert r44264 - "Added $wgNullFile"
[23:15:39] <CIA-8>	Feature reverted. :)
[23:16:04] <CIA-8>	03werdna * r44431 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
[23:16:04] <CIA-8>	Configure extension: With DB handler, defer wfConfigureSetup() to a new hook, SetupAfterCache, which, as the name implies, is executed in Setup.php, after caches are initialised.
[23:16:05] <CIA-8>	This avoids some weird issues with Configure and maintenance scripts.
[23:16:20] <werdnum>	brion-codereview: See above.
[23:19:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Fatal Flagged revs error causes 500 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16589   +need-review +patch (10EN.WP.ST47)
[23:21:41] <CIA-8>	03brion * r44432 10/trunk/phase3/ (7 files in 3 dirs): 
[23:21:41] <CIA-8>	Revert r44271 "(bug 12998) Weaken DISPLAYTITLE restictions (patch by 'rememberthedot@gmail.com')"
[23:21:41] <CIA-8>	Behavior seems a bit hard to predict, as far as what's going to go in the header and what in the browser window etc. Pulling it back for further testing and discussion.
[23:21:46] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Weaken DISPLAYTITLE restictions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12998  +comment (10brion)
[23:23:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "Forbidden" trying to view some old versions of images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16553  (10EN.WP.ST47)
[23:24:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CoreParserFunctions error causes 500 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16589  summary (10JSchulz_4587)
[23:27:38] <CIA-8>	03aaron * r44433 10/trunk/phase3/includes/parser/CoreParserFunctions.php: (bug 16589) CoreParserFunctions error causes 500
[23:28:25] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) CoreParserFunctions error causes 500 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16589  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[23:29:57] <CIA-8>	03brion * r44434 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Skin.php: 
[23:29:57] <CIA-8>	Revert r44292 "Assign by ref to make sure cache fields carry over"
[23:29:57] <CIA-8>	This isn't PHP 4; the object's fields are changed on the object itself just
[23:29:57] <CIA-8>	fine. Unless people are changing the global variable $wgTitle to something
[23:29:58] <CIA-8>	different this should be fine. If there is a problem that this fixes, that's
[23:29:59] <CIA-8>	probably a problem itself and should be fixed in a cleaner way :D
[23:39:15] <CIA-8>	03brion * r44435 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Skin.php: 
[23:39:15] <CIA-8>	Revert part of r44296 "*Skip autoloading of skin, always does inefficient strtolower() stuff and fails (returns false) anyway" and r44302 "Tweak r44296: use autoloader if it is set there".
[23:39:16] <CIA-8>	Unless there's some really huge overriding reason to do this, there's no point
[23:39:16] <CIA-8>	poking around in the autoloader's guts to try to outsmart it. Just let it take a
[23:39:17] <CIA-8>	few nanoseconds to check its array and don't add yourself a dependency on its
[23:39:19] <CIA-8>	implementation details.
[23:39:21] <CIA-8>	If there *is* some really huge overriding reason to complicate the code, please provide some data supporting it.
[23:49:15] <Simetrical>	!upload
[23:49:15] --mwbot--	File uploads are disabled per default, set $wgEnableUploads=true to enable it. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads> for configuration details, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Managing_files> and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images> for using uploaded images and other files.
[23:49:31] <Sparkie>	Righto, i was wondering if its possible to get like the wikipedia layout like css/html?
[23:51:29] <Sparkie>	anyone?
[23:52:57] <werdnum>	hey Laptop_Brain 
[23:53:18] <werdnum>	ugh, I just lost the game.
[23:55:26] <Splarka>	Sparkie: in what? another MediaWiki install?
[23:55:45] <Sparkie>	no i just want like the raw html and css layout of wikipedia
[23:56:15] <Splarka>	it is rather integrated into the skin, but almost all the style is css
[23:56:26] <Sparkie>	where can i get it
[23:56:28] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page?useskin=myskin
[23:56:37] <Splarka>	this is what Wikipedia looks like with no skin style
[23:56:53] <Sparkie>	yea i want the skin files
[23:56:58] <Sparkie>	with html 
[23:57:13] <Splarka>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/skins/
[23:57:31] <Sparkie>	ty kind sir
[23:57:39] <Splarka>	Monobook.php and all the crap in monobook/ there
[23:57:48] <Sparkie>	cheers mate
[23:57:51] <Splarka>	you'll have to remove lots of php though, heh
[23:57:54] <Splarka>	enjoy
[23:58:05] <Splarka>	mostly monobook/main.css
[23:58:14] <werdnum>	I thought Splarka == Sparkie at first.
[23:59:22] <Splarka>	werdnum: I hate two users with the same length nick and similar lettering talking
[23:59:35] <Splarka>	and I knew as soon as I saw the nick me talking to them would be trouble
[23:59:40] *Splarka 	grins
[23:59:47] <eikrapS>	:)