is used on the table of contents, the ToC will display without numbers */ [02:03:11] and the sexy bits under that [02:03:25] <^demon> Krimpet: I had to trade in my cardboard box for a piece of newspaper. Couldn't keep up with the mortgage :( [02:03:26] how do I make the TOC use that nonumtoc class? [02:03:27] werdnum: if they say it's in the tenderloin, STAY OUT ;) [02:03:32] brion: I also need to find a bank account that's not at the Random Bank of Ohio like my current one :) [02:03:37] heh [02:03:44] brion: oh, I heard of this really nice place called 'Hunter's point' [02:03:49] random bank of ohio should at least get you ATM access :) [02:04:01] i think that's one of those "gets you shot" places [02:04:07] AaronSchulz: ok applied [02:04:23] no, I lost my visa card because somebody nabbed the number and used it to buy $800 worth of sporting equipment. [02:04:25] nice [02:04:26] http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RatingHistory&target=O._J._Simpson_sentenced_to_15_years_in_prison [02:04:35] So I cancelled it and they said "Sorry, you're only 15, you can't have another one." [02:04:36] ok, that list query needs tweaking [02:04:42] lch: wrap it in a div with that class [02:04:52] like the friggen comment says [02:04:52] thanks Splarka [02:04:52] <^demon> My bank has supposedly been bought out. However, I've yet to notice any change in services, letters, or change in local banking staff....I'm just assuming it's all ok :) [02:04:56] *Splarka grrrs [02:05:01] (since I needed a co-signer to get it in the first place) [02:05:04] heh [02:05:19] well that's gonna be tricky. [02:05:45] Splarka, so I guess you're saying to put __TOC__ into the div, that's what I was asking [02:05:46] brion: is it raining there yet? [02:06:15] don't think it's raining now... forecast says it will on the weekend tho [02:06:30] rain's a bitch here :( [02:06:32] all cold and stuff [02:06:51] doppler shows green specks coming down, might be here tonight [02:06:57] well, up in the hills anyhow [02:06:58] morning TimStarling [02:07:10] brion: actually I think the trick is "having a US address" :) [02:07:20] morning [02:07:21] heh [02:07:23] morning tim [02:07:26] i'm heading home now :D [02:07:28] catch ya laters [02:07:39] You scared him off. [02:07:48] werdnum: can you get a prepaid card for emergencies? [02:08:07] Splarka: my Australian bank card should work in the states. [02:08:31] I think most places'll give you one at 16 or even younger, accepted almost anywhere regular credit cards are (except for deposits at hotels and the like, they don't trust prepaid) [02:08:56] yes, but US banks want a US address :) [02:10:18] prepaid is not a banking, checking, or credit line... [02:10:31] oh, you mean those prepaid visas [02:10:47] yeah, I could get one of those, but I'd prefer a real bank. [02:10:52] well, some other CC companies issue them too, but Visa is the popular one yes [02:11:16] US banks aren't exactly the most stable institutions right now [02:11:43] hush, don't scare the toursit [02:11:49] If they're FDIC insured, then I'm not too stressed. [02:11:52] er, %tourist [02:12:04] http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/sub/950606397.html [02:12:08] this looks okay [02:13:57] Maid Service? [02:15:15] 03(mod) Main Wikipedia site is unreadable after final rendering on Treo 650 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2090 +comment (10innocentkiller) [02:15:15] 14(DUP) Wikipedia not usable from a Palm T|X - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7217 +comment (10innocentkiller) [02:16:13] !portal [02:16:13] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "portal". [02:16:20] thanks anyway [02:19:08] 03(FIXED) Remove ?title=*** parameter from RC entries url - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11152 +comment (10danny.b) [02:19:11] hey guys, is there a way to require admins to approve new users? [02:20:15] 03(mod) Remove ?title=*** parameter from RC entries url - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11152 (10danny.b) [02:20:17] 03(mod) RC IRC related issues (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16599 (10danny.b) [02:20:34] !e ConfirmAccount | sorwork [02:20:34] --mwbot-- sorwork: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmAccount [02:21:00] many thanks [02:22:44] O.o [02:22:56] *Charitwo blinks [02:37:34] 03(mod) Easy to parse recentchanges feed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14045 (10matthew.britton) [02:37:35] 03(mod) RC IRC related issues (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16599 (10matthew.britton) [02:41:10] 03vyznev * r44520 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/Title.php): [02:41:10] (bug 5506) Make Title::isAlwaysKnown() return true for known special pages and files in foreign repos. [02:41:10] Besides fixing the display of the latter in logs, edit summaries and other places relying on Linker::link(), [02:41:10] the change should allow considerable simplification (not included in this commit) of that function, as [02:41:12] well as of several related functions e.g. in the Parser and Skin classes. To that end, I've also introduced [02:41:14] a new function Title::isKnown() to wrap the common condition "$title->exists() || $title->isAlwaysKnown()", [02:41:16] and have clarified the roles of the three methods. [02:41:18] 03(FIXED) Linker::formatComment() needs to check for image existence in shared repositories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5506 +comment (10nospam) [02:41:47] 14(DUP) Links to Commons Images are redlinks in Log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15437 +comment (10nospam) [02:41:49] 03(mod) Linker::formatComment() needs to check for image existence in shared repositories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5506 +comment (10nospam) [02:42:00] 14(DUP) Commons-hosted pages appear as redlinks after login/logout - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12813 +comment (10nospam) [02:42:02] 03(mod) Linker::formatComment() needs to check for image existence in shared repositories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5506 +comment (10nospam) [02:55:26] 03(NEW) Can't query for property with punctuation (a period) in name - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16622 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (info) [03:16:18] *werdnum waits for CIA-8 [03:18:28] hrm... Does anyone know how wikipedia implements collapsible infoboxes? [03:22:42] Krimpet: Your quit message freaks me out. [03:23:18] "Krimpet has quit IRC"? Sorry, I need to sleep and go to class and all. :) [03:23:27] Krimpet: no, "My hosiery is bunching" [03:23:44] Oh, I forgot I put that there. :p [03:25:19] mVatki: CSS/JS/Templates/HTML [03:25:31] mVatki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Collapsible_tables [03:25:33] Krimpet: What does it even mean? :P [03:25:36] *werdnum are not female. [03:25:41] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NavFrame [03:25:51] yeah, that too [03:26:05] redundant implementations <3 [03:26:11] Volunteers for testing the abuse filter, please go to http://wiki.werdn.us/test/view/Abuse_Filter_testing [03:26:11] Werd: "Panties In a Twist" prolly [03:26:24] *werdnum wonders what he did that made Krimpet get her panties in a twist. [03:26:29] *werdnum has that effect on women. [03:26:59] if one were rude they might say "they get them twisted taking them off for you?" [03:26:59] "hosiery" is pantyhose/stockings. Sometimes you have to fight with them... [03:27:22] I know what hosiery is :) [03:27:29] *werdnum doesn't often fight with Krimpet's hosiery. [03:27:32] Vyznev: someone should make that core, but nicely [03:28:22] It's a quote from some old TV show, anyway. :p [03:29:05] *MZMcBride de-de-de-encodes Splarka. [03:29:29] ow [03:29:55] *Splarka triple-encodes MZM: %25%32%35%25%33%34%25%34%34%25%32%35%25%33%35%25%34%31%25%32%35%25%33%34%25%34%34%25%32%35%25%33%36%25%33%33%25%32%35%25%33%34%25%33%32%25%32%35%25%33%37%25%33%32%25%32%35%25%33%36%25%33%39%25%32%35%25%33%36%25%33%34%25%32%35%25%33%36%25%33%35 [03:30:36] wait, de-de-de-encodes ? so de-decodes? [03:32:41] I'll leave that to your imagination. [03:32:52] werdnum: anyway, I just put that on [[meta:bash]] [03:34:43] *nakon pokes werdnum for abuse filter abuse [03:35:00] nakon: okay, will get there. [03:35:15] k :) [03:35:41] done [03:38:05] there isn't a submit button to add new filters [03:38:09] or am I just blind? [03:38:21] There should be, down the bottom. [03:39:27] http://imageftw.com/uploads/20081212/button.png [03:39:51] odd. [03:40:02] moment [03:40:14] <|X|> That's the same error I have [03:40:52] hmm. [03:41:14] *werdnum checks code. [03:43:02] Try now. [03:43:25] works now [03:43:42] <|X|> Nope [03:43:50] shift-refresh? [03:44:18] <|X|> I did [03:44:48] Splarka, Vyznev: sorry, I didn't notice your comments. Is there an extension that governs this or is it in the standard release? [03:45:10] hmm. [03:45:19] oops, Splarka's gone [03:45:27] nv [03:45:32] *nvm [03:51:09] <|X|> werdnum, don't bother looking [03:51:12] <|X|> I was logged out [03:52:14] heh [03:52:19] I'm working on another problem now. [03:52:37] looks like the rules parser is borked, so I'm installing the newer native version. [03:56:10] 03(mod) MIME type detection of "application/x-php" gives false positives on any file with " mVatki: no, it's part of the custom JavaScript used on the English Wikipedia [03:57:14] see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js [03:58:24] I saw that later and copied wikipedia's Common.js and Common.css to my wiki but I still do not see the effects [03:59:11] oh, nevermind [03:59:17] I had to clear the cache first [03:59:39] <|X|> werdnum, it's not refusing my edit [04:01:45] |X|: show me the filter. [04:02:00] <|X|> http://wiki.werdn.us/test/view/Special:AbuseFilter/2 [04:02:01] Vyznev:thanks for pointing out the Common.js file and other links [04:02:40] LIKE isn't regexes [04:02:42] it's glob [04:02:44] you want REGEX [04:02:57] I just made that change. [04:04:35] |X|: try now? [04:04:45] <|X|> Now I'm blocked :) [04:05:10] teehee. [04:05:20] hi all... How can i have custom attributes for an article suppose i have a wiki for devolopers and want to let them tag an article as a TODO and someother as a Feature in 2.0 etc? [04:05:21] maybe I should disable those actions. [04:05:29] I just unblocked you. [04:05:37] <|X|> thanks [04:06:25] one thing... can i put an article in more than one category? [04:06:36] yes. [04:06:44] ok [04:07:30] i actually don't know how to crfeate a category... well? do i just goto cat:name and create? [04:08:36] yeah, well, Category:Name [04:10:05] i tried that but it does not show in special:categories [04:10:17] well, that just creates the category page [04:10:27] if you want it to show up, you have to add an article to the category [04:10:38] ok [04:10:54] (by putting [[Category:Name]] on the article in question) [04:11:08] how do make it list all the articles in category:catname? [04:13:04] well bye meet u guys l8r [04:15:32] view [[Category:Name]] [04:16:14] *Vyznev pokes CIA-8 [04:21:30] okay... wtf in FileRepo.php [04:21:34] line 86: function findFile( $title, $time = false, $flags = 0 ) { [04:21:42] line 139: $file = $this->findFile( $title, $flags ); [04:22:18] need help getting images to display on my mediawiki instead of the text "Error creating thumbnail: The system cannot find the path specified." [04:24:01] 03werdna * r44521 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/Configure.func.php: Remove broken and unnecessary access-control for efConfigureAjax(). It requires configure-all AND extensions-all just to have a row formatted. [04:24:46] Kodos2: have you checked your $wgUploadDirectory ? [04:25:12] 03werdna * r44523 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/SpecialAbuseFilter.php: Fix a fatal... [04:25:12] 03werdna * r44522 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/SpecialAbuseFilter.php: Simplify permissions check [04:26:58] ok, looks like nobody's using the second argument of FileRepo::findFiles() anywhere [04:27:15] which is why no-one's noticed that it's broken [04:36:02] 03vyznev * r44525 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/ (FileRepo.php LocalRepo.php): [04:36:02] Remove parameter from FileRepo::findFiles(), it was fubar and nobody was using [04:36:02] it anyway. (What we really need is some way to pass timestamps to that [04:36:02] function, which probably requires further rethinking of the interface.) [04:40:39] 03vyznev * r44526 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/FileRepo.php: Remove it from the comments too. (Who reads those, anyway?) [04:53:57] 03(NEW) Fix missing

tag in Special:LockDB - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16623 trivial; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (nakonwiki) [04:54:50] didn't expect to find that one, gotta love how someone can get sidetracked so easily in mediawiki [04:55:00] heh [04:57:33] hello again Krimpet [04:57:56] hello again. :) [04:58:34] *werdnum hurls abuse at rewrite rules. [04:58:48] 03(NEW) Requesting hooks for start and end of the sections - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16624 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (filop) [04:59:13] 03(mod) Install SpamRegex for en.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13811 high->normal; +comment (10bretthillebrand) [05:02:39] 03skizzerz * r44527 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/specials/SpecialLockdb.php): * (bug 16623) Add missing

tag in Special:LockDB -- patch by Nakon [05:02:56] 03(FIXED) Fix missing

tag in Special:LockDB - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16623 +comment (10skizzerz) [05:03:41] do people actually use LockDB anymore? [05:03:48] nfi [05:03:50] :) [05:04:30] I can still see maybe two cases where it could potentially be useful [05:06:47] I guess if you had people who should be able to lock the wiki but not access config files [05:42:41] how sane is it to have the $wgPrefix_image table in $wgSharedDB ? [05:43:00] people still use $wgSharedDB? [05:43:52] heh. last time i looked for help - via google - i saw list posts suggesting people should use that instead of CentralAuth, so yeh. [05:45:38] werdnum: its used for shared user tables [05:46:54] is it going to break anything if i do that? i mean, i run 3 wikis, and they're on the same network, and i've already set up shared files for them.... [05:47:18] MrZ-man: I know what it's used for. [05:48:44] or is there a better way? my goal here is to have the files and file descriptions shared across those wikis. [05:50:05] *werdnum dunnos, has a look around. [05:50:24] i could run that rebuildImages.php script, but that always leaves the descriptions with "127.0.0.1 localhost" as having "uploaded" the file [05:50:37] You could use an FSRepo, maybe? [05:51:13] that's what i thought i did, TBH, but it still won't do anything like the manual describes. [05:51:54] ah no, just "ForeignFileRepos [05:51:56] " [05:52:27] $wgLocalFileRepos = array( 'class' => 'FSRepo', 'url' => '/some/url', 'directory' => '/some/directory' ); [05:52:32] that should do it. [05:52:49] 'k. thank you :) [05:53:11] maybe :) [05:53:25] i'll implement it, then let you know [06:01:00] 14(INVALID) Can't query for property with punctuation (a period) in name - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16622 +comment (10info) [06:04:57] domas! <3 [06:05:32] hi everyone! [06:07:42] i keep hitting php mem limit... *sigh* [06:08:33] Does anyone know why my thumbnail are not being displayed.. got this message: Error creating thumbnail: sh: /usr/bin/convert: No such file or directory [06:08:52] Because you don't have imagemagick installed. [06:09:10] hi [06:09:12] thanks! wednum [06:12:01] werdnum: dum question, but should I install it on the wiki or on my computer? [06:13:00] on the wiki. [06:13:54] on the computer of your wiki [06:13:55] ;-) [06:15:38] hi, few users have posted garbage into my website. I've have banned the IP address. Is there a way to delete all the modifications they made? [06:22:18] !spam [06:22:18] --mwbot-- For information about combating and handling spam in MediaWiki, see and . [06:24:25] thanks [06:26:10] werdnum: well, i commented out the foreignfilerepos bit, and left the localfilerepos, and not only did it not "exhaust memory" (i have it set to 64M), but it actually fetched the description and image. [06:27:11] domas: do you know if I should simply upload the Imagemagick to the extension file like I would do for a regular extension? [06:29:32] werdnum: thank very much [06:29:37] erm, thank you* [06:30:01] Mathieu1: which OS? [06:32:24] domas: windows :( [06:33:37] domas: seems like this imagemagick needs a bit more attention to set it up than a regular easy-to-install extension, right? [06:33:43] right [06:33:48] or not right [06:33:54] depends on aptitude [06:36:26] domas: when you asked about the OS, was it for the server or my computer? [06:36:47] the server runs on Linux [06:36:48] server [06:36:53] which distro? [06:37:08] werdnum: you have no idea how long i've wanted to do this [06:38:13] don't know what a distro is. :( I know about the bistro, though. [06:39:41] domas: I'm uploading the files that I downloaded from imagemagick.org to my /w/extension file... [06:40:11] I keep mixing up files and folders! sorry about that [06:41:00] which flavour of linux [06:42:25] does it say in my C panel? [06:42:44] you have to install 'imagemagick' package into your OS [06:42:46] server OS [06:42:48] linux that is :) [06:44:29] domas: so am I right to first upload the package into my extension folder? [06:44:59] God.. I feel like I'm back to kindergarden [06:45:29] I'm willing to give it a shot for an hour or two though [06:48:40] Mathieu1: no, you just install it. [06:48:54] What distribution are you running? [06:51:22] hrm, how would one go about merging 2 accounts? one's my old one i started on wikipedia.en, and the new one that's global. merging them into the new one. would be one less account for everyone to watch ;) :P. [06:54:31] werdnum: Red Hat, Fedora Core, Apache 2 [06:55:39] http://www.imagemagick.org/script/binary-releases.php [06:56:55] thank you! I was on the website and couldn't find this [06:58:24] Mathieu1: 'yum install imagemagick' ? [06:59:42] domas: not really, but I have to [07:12:27] MZMcBride: you there, test my abuse filter. [07:12:58] You finished Configure? :P [07:13:06] no, I'm waiting for it to go live. [07:13:18] it could conceivably go live in the next month or two :P [07:17:14] mmm, that is interesting if you read 'live' as a verb instead of adjective there [07:17:56] *Splarka might be too sleep-deprived to not find it funny [07:18:13] Is installing Imagemagick from source easier than to actually downloading it to my pc? God I'm struggling tonight [07:23:22] Mathieu1: did you try domas's suggestion? [07:25:30] Vyznev: can't figure out what that means to yum install imagemagick :( [07:25:51] Mathieu1: it's a shell command [07:26:20] ho! [07:27:53] Vyznev: do you know where I should enter the command? [07:28:50] at a terminal, like xterm... [07:29:05] or via ssh [07:31:03] you should run it on the server you want to install ImageMagick to [07:31:13] probably you need to be root [07:31:16] or use sudo [07:32:40] alright.. I'm in the shell command black box.. I'll try [07:33:21] should I include the ' ' on both sides? [07:33:24] no [07:33:52] i hope the thing doesn't explode... let's see [07:49:38] can't log in, my root password is no longer working :( oh well... almost midnight on a Friday night, focusing in front of a shell command screen! what the hell happens to me... [07:49:42] good night all [07:54:27] Heh. [08:13:16] how does one link to a user page? [08:13:23] [[User:mynick]] isn't working [08:13:50] that is how you link. what doesn't work? [08:14:04] hm [08:14:12] 03(mod) Set $wgRestrictDisplayTitle to False on Chinese Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16427 (10skjackey.tse) [08:14:18] I get this: User:Antitab [08:14:22] on the page [08:14:27] when I do [[User:Antitab]] [08:14:37] as a link with red text? [08:14:38] oh [08:14:40] no [08:14:43] it's just regular text [08:14:47] no link [08:14:58] is it bold? [08:15:13] yeah [08:15:15] if you write a link on a page to itself, it'll appears as bold text instead of a link [08:15:21] oh, durr [08:19:31] yksinaisyyteni: did you figure out what was wrong with the native parsery thing? :) [08:19:37] no [08:21:03] bah... whoever came up with the idea that checking for a non-zero page_id is a good way to determine if a page exists? :( [08:21:13] I mean, sure, it makes sense [08:21:19] unless it's a special page [08:21:26] or a Commons image [08:21:38] or a system message with a default value [08:22:03] or... well, that's probably it [08:22:21] for now, until someone comes up with another funny page type [08:23:17] *Vyznev is thinking about rewriting LinkCache to handle links to shared files too [08:24:07] the only problem is, the current interface returns an article ID for any found page [08:24:29] heh, do like the namespaces does [08:24:39] and there are a bazillion bits of code who use it, and who knows what they all do with those IDs [08:24:53] -3 for special page, -2 for shared image, -1 for default system mmessage [08:25:05] *Splarka hides [08:25:24] yeah, I thought about that [08:26:22] but I'm worried I'll never be able to fix every bit of code that assumes the return value is a valid key to the page table [08:26:44] can anyone tell me why that text is there around my pic? http://wiki.command-q.org/index.php?title=User:Antitab [08:27:34] antitab: yeah, the template only wants an image name [08:28:14] it's producing output that says [[Image:[[Image:Tab.jpg|200px]]|225px]] [08:29:20] ah [08:30:11] er, if I change it to |image= [[Tab.jpg|200px]] [08:30:14] I get no image at all [08:30:43] antitab: make it just "|image = Tab.jpg" [08:30:47] k [08:31:16] oh tight [08:31:18] thanks [08:35:51] Vyznev: Looking for a trivial bug fix? :-) [08:36:01] I can tempt you with one that's been lying around since 2005... [08:37:12] It even has a fun bug ID. [08:37:20] MZMcBride: shoot [08:37:26] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1941 [08:37:34] It's a one-line change to a CSS file. [08:39:12] might be better if someone who actually has Safari could do, though [08:39:16] *it [08:40:46] Well, at least with the current version of Safari, adding the line works. [08:45:08] good thing safari doesn't change in 3 years...? [08:47:47] Yeah, most modern browsers explode if font-family is applied to their textareas. [08:49:13] MZMcBride: ok, here you go [08:49:31] 03vyznev * r44528 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES skins/common/shared.css): (bug 1941) Add textarea { font-family: monospace; } to shared.css for Safari [08:49:44] w00t. [08:49:47] Thanks. :-) [08:50:17] you'd think people who like safari for its differentness would like proportionalness and crap [08:51:17] "hello, I'm a Mac" "And I'm a PC, and I have proportional fonts in my textareas" "oh, cool, can I do that too?" "Um... sure, but ... isn't that part of your eliteness?" "Hey, I can look down on PC users while typing proportional text" "sure..." [08:51:37] er have/don't have [08:51:39] bah [08:51:46] Firefox has a proportional font for textareas. [08:51:53] MZM: it'd be better as a gadget [08:52:09] What we'd _really_ need is the ability to multiple fonts inside the textarea [08:52:10] Eh? [08:52:28] but since we don't, monospaced is the safe default [08:52:31] even if it's ugly [08:52:37] 'Eh?' = 'Oh, I understand what you mean completely' ? [08:52:45] *Splarka wonders what is ambiguous about gadgetry [08:52:48] The opposite. [08:52:54] Why would it ever need to be a gadget? [08:53:02] Opera uses proportional fonts as well. [08:53:11] Splarka: We could, and probably should, have a gadget to make it _proportional_ [08:53:13] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1941#c1 [08:53:38] *Splarka notes the first, and only comment, on the bug, that was conveniently ignored by ya both [08:53:47] Vyznev: *cough*... [08:53:53] Consistency, damn it. [08:53:58] sure [08:54:03] consistency like link underlines [08:54:16] which can be forced on, forced off.. or.. here is the thing... FUCKING BROWSER DEFAULT [08:54:24] wow, let users choose, how odd [08:54:31] If ol' what's his name wants a proportional font, he can set it in his CSS. [08:54:40] Or it can be a gadget. [08:54:52] you miss the point [08:54:56] But the argument is a rather crappy one. [08:55:03] if you want proportional fonts in your textareas, you can use such a browser [08:55:04] if not, not [08:55:09] Most editing is not actually just article text. [08:55:10] or set it in the browser, it isn't hard [08:55:15] Infoboxes, navboxes, etc. are all inside articles. [08:55:30] chances are, if you like proportional fonts on one website, you like it on other websites too [08:55:39] you shouldn't force it [08:55:43] 03(FIXED) CSS tweak for Safari - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1941 +comment (10nospam) [08:55:45] The user can still choose. [08:55:55] But MediaWiki will be more consistent cross-browser. [08:56:02] And that's a good thing, in my mind. [08:56:10] well, get rid of PNG logos then [08:56:15] if you want consistency, no alpha transparency [08:56:29] 03(mod) CSS tweak for Safari - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1941 (10nospam) [08:57:03] Splarka: Yes, that's what we should do. [08:57:06] Ban PNGs. [08:57:24] Because if you try to be consistent in one area... [08:57:25] well, that is your crazy logic.. forcing people to have monospaced textareas is like 1996 logic [08:57:41] rather than letting them choose through their browser, or userContent.css, or preferences [08:57:53] Splarka: I'm not sure that makes sense. [08:57:56] choose lazily that is, rather than having to override it at every mediawiki they visit from now on [08:58:00] They can still choose. Nobody is forcing anything, really. [08:58:24] In one case, there's an unclear choice between two options, and we're picking their default for them, instead of their browser doing so. [08:58:26] Just setting it to ensure that it looks relatively the same cross-browser. Which is our goal in most of the standard interface. [08:58:42] uh... that css doesn't just affect safari [08:58:49] In the other case, there's one small part of one large thing that doesn't work properly, so you throw the whole thing out the window. [08:58:51] it's going to fuck over every user who changed their font preferences [08:58:55] If people want to override the standard, they're free to, using userContent.css or preferences.. [08:59:02] just to fit the preferences of the guy who filed the bug? [08:59:24] yksinaisyyteni: Fuck over? [08:59:25] *Splarka nods [08:59:39] Depends on where you set it, I guess. But things like user skin subpages will take precedence, no? [08:59:57] okay, so you just create /monobook.css on every wiki you ever edit, that has 1.14.1+ [09:00:02] why would i set my browser preferences in mediawiki? [09:00:12] (poor anon viewers though, haha) [09:00:23] Don't browser preferences override site-specific preferences? [09:00:24] user CSS in browsers that support it will also take precedence [09:00:27] Isn't that like the entire point? [09:00:30] "I am anonymous and have no voice but I must scream" [09:00:34] default font choice may or may not [09:00:44] MZMcBride: no, because then every site you viewed in firefox would use times new roman as its font [09:01:02] *Splarka wonders how many users don't have monospace unicode, but do have proportional unicode [09:02:27] *MZMcBride shrugs. The bug was open for four years. [09:02:35] that doesn't make it more valid [09:03:00] I didn't say it did. But this seems like bikeshed nonsense again. [09:03:20] You could've resolved it WONTFIX or whatever, but nobody did... [09:03:24] oh, right. there's a time limit after which you can't object to a bug [09:04:08] of course you can object to it, and I'm not going to complain if you revert the change [09:04:30] hey, _I_ like all links to be underlined. I always go to prefs first thing and select 'always' underline. I even force it on column-one where they've forced it off, but I am not going to open a bug and claim it should be a default condition in shared.css, "for the sake of consistency" [09:04:37] but there is some value in actually doing something about it rather than just letting it sit for another four years [09:04:55] Indeed. [09:04:57] yes. but that thing that should have been done was closing it as wontfix ;) [09:05:04]