[00:01:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) <references/> fails after Special:Prefixindex - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15819  (10STyx)
[00:33:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create Scandinavian Planet Wikimedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16511  +comment (10brion)
[00:46:50] <Merlissimo>	does the api only accept post requests of type form-urlencoded?
[00:47:12] <Merlissimo>	utf-8 is not working on requests
[00:48:53] <brion-weekend>	afaik it should take urlencoded or multipart, as long as they're encoded correctly
[00:50:11] <Merlissimo>	urlencoded is working, ok then i have to use it, thx
[01:04:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Implement a validation check for ISBN links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2391  (10brion)
[01:40:26] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Errors in centralnotice.js - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16641  +comment (10tfinc)
[01:45:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Errors in centralnotice.js - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16641  (10brion)
[01:54:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Errors in centralnotice.js - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16641  (10tfinc)
[02:22:28] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Errors in centralnotice.js - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16641  +comment (10tfinc)
[02:22:45] <WaRpAtH>	tomaszf: you broke it ?;p
[02:22:56] <tomaszf>	lol
[02:23:01] <werdnum>	Krimpet!
[02:23:14] <tomaszf>	not broken . just noisy for some people ;)
[02:23:16] <Krimpet>	G'evening werdnum
[02:23:17] <werdnum>	Krimpet: by the look on your face, you obviously want to help me test the abuse filter.
[02:23:58] <Krimpet>	I think my three homework assignments I have due tomorrow morning take priority here, sorry :)
[02:24:17] <werdnum>	Tomorrow, then :)
[02:24:42] <Krimpet>	BTW, http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2008-December/097131.html
[02:25:32] <Krimpet>	Hopefully that abuse filter won't be needed soon. :)
[02:26:55] <werdnum>	Krimpet: I hope it's needed :P
[02:27:16] <Krimpet>	I'm encouraging anyone who's been a target of Grawp's threats to report them to his ISP or the local police, along with his phone number, which should expedite investigation massively.
[02:28:08] <werdnum>	I got DDoSed by him, actually.
[02:28:28] <Krimpet>	Might be worth giving Verizon a ring. :)
[02:28:49] <Krimpet>	Tell them it came from the residential DSL account of Ms. L.K. Zack-Hanson, (562) 431-7852.
[02:29:30] <werdnum>	I'm not sure if that's true, though.
[02:29:59] <Krimpet>	werdnum, did it come from 71.96.0.0/11?
[02:30:10] <werdnum>	hold on, I'll take a look in a moment.
[02:30:13] <Simetrical>	/11 is huge.
[02:30:32] <Krimpet>	Simetrical, it is. But if it's the real Grawp, he's using mommy's DSL
[02:30:33] <Simetrical>	Oh, you're saying that it would then be Verizon.
[02:31:01] *Simetrical 	considers what happens if people are wrong and this poor woman is being harassed endlessly for no reason.
[02:31:04] <Simetrical>	Lawsuit!
[02:31:31] <Krimpet>	Simetrical, she wrote OTRS complaining her son Jeremy was innocent...
[02:31:48] <Krimpet>	...and then later that night Grawp vandalized en masse from the same IP address she sent her complaint from. -_-
[02:31:55] <p858snake>	Krimpet: thats the second mailing list letter about it
[02:32:21] <Krimpet>	p858snake, I know, I wrote both :)
[02:32:35] <werdnum>	Krimpet: http://pastebin.ca/1285624 <-- the report I sent on September 17.
[02:33:22] <Krimpet>	werdnum, that's very likely Jeremy.
[02:33:49] <werdnum>	Krimpet: yes, I think so.
[02:33:52] <werdnum>	but I got no response.
[02:34:00] <werdnum>	Does the police department have an email contact?
[02:34:20] <Krimpet>	Yes, I don't think Verizon reads their abuse e-mail -_
[02:35:52] <Krimpet>	er, -_-
[02:35:53] <Krimpet>	werdnum, no, just phone numbers listed on their website
[02:37:37] <werdnum>	http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/cybercrime/reporting.htm
[02:37:50] <WaRpAtH>	O_O
[02:37:56] <WaRpAtH>	jeremy, where???
[02:38:03] <werdnum>	FBI, secret service, or Internet Crime Complaint Center.
[02:38:37] <werdnum>	FBI is suggested for internet harassment.
[02:38:57] <WaRpAtH>	yup 
[02:39:49] <werdnum>	It would, perhaps, be sensible for us to put a number of complaints in one single complaint, submitted together to the FBI
[02:39:56] <WaRpAtH>	after that girl that committed suicide recently due to internet bullying, the FBI will take it seriously 
[02:40:22] <WaRpAtH>	yeah, lets pass it through the OTRS and with mike's approval
[02:40:46] <Krimpet>	That case just involved name-calling, too. Grawp has made bona fide threats of murder.
[02:42:30] <aib>	anyone have a trick to help me turn this into an internal link?
[02:42:36] <werdnum>	Krimpet: http://www.fbi.gov/contact/fo/focities.htm#l
[02:42:49] <aib>	http://grey.colorado.edu/emergent/index.php/Special:AddData/News/{{CURRENTMONTH}}-{{CURRENTDAY}}-{{CURRENTYEAR}}?News[Author]={{CURRENTUSER}}
[02:42:55] <Splarka>	reminds me of when a false political pedophile was hitting the politics wikia (after a press release announcing it), he was posting rather nasty support pages about it, and banners and crap. After spending a week blocking every IP and then range and finally his whole ISP (canadian), he started using proxies
[02:42:56] <WaRpAtH>	well ppl who have been attacked by grawp from any wiki even outside of wikimedia should make a complain I believe
[02:43:25] <werdnum>	aib: You can't make that internal, but you can <span class="plainlinks"> [ link ] </span>
[02:43:35] <Splarka>	So I went back a week and got all the IPs and date ranges, and material he posted, and forwarded them to Angela who forwarded them to the local police (mounties?) cybercrime division
[02:43:39] <Splarka>	the vandalism stopped immediately
[02:44:17] <aib>	that is perfect werdnum thank you
[02:44:38] <WaRpAtH>	Krimpet: didn't he recently join a uni?
[02:45:00] <WaRpAtH>	if so, we need to get that uni's ip on our watchlist to ;)
[02:45:12] <Krimpet>	WaRpAtH, he goes to CSU Long Beach, but supposedly doesn't vandalize from there
[02:46:55] <WaRpAtH>	not yet, he may get a good-hand account from the uni
[02:50:25] <researcher717>	Hi everyone
[02:50:39] <werdnum>	hi
[02:51:44] <researcher717>	Was wondering if anyone could tell me what terms and conditions admins agree to when they become an admin? I'm trying to resolve a dispute.
[02:51:44] <researcher717>	Or point me in the right direction
[02:51:44] <werdnum>	None whatsoever.
[02:51:45] <yksinaisyyteni>	you'd have to ask the admin of your wiki
[02:51:51] <yksinaisyyteni>	mediawiki doesn't enforce that sort of thing
[02:51:52] <researcher717>	Wikipedia I'm talking about
[02:51:57] <yksinaisyyteni>	try #wikipedia
[02:52:10] <werdnum>	researcher717: none.
[02:52:25] <researcher717>	that's true for wikipedia specifically, werdnum?
[02:52:43] <werdnum>	As far as I'm aware.
[02:52:51] <werdnum>	I didn't agree to anything.
[02:53:14] <researcher717>	I see there are no terms on teh site for ordinary users. In fact the disclaimer specifically says that you don't have a contract with them
[02:53:45] <researcher717>	Is there anything approaching terms that isn't quite a legal document? 
[02:53:50] <Krimpet>	No, there's no terms and conditions to agree too whatsoever.
[02:53:54] <Krimpet>	to*
[02:54:33] <researcher717>	So you never click "I agree" .. You just have access when it's bestowed upon you? 
[02:56:00] <Merlissimo>	researcher717 admins have aggreed to the privacy policy only as any normal user
[02:56:11] <VartanSimonian>	MediaWiki is case sensitive, and I haven't heard of any extensions, hacks, or settings (and couldn't find any, either) to make it case-insensitive. Is this even possible or planned?
[02:57:08] <researcher717>	that's http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Privacy_policy Merlissimo? 
[02:58:36] <Merlissimo>	every wiki has its one because of e.g. to national policies
[02:58:49] <WaRpAtH>	but yes, that the general one 
[02:59:56] <werdnum>	02:56 < VartanSimonian> MediaWiki is case sensitive, and I haven't heard of any extensions, hacks, or settings (and couldn't find any, either) to make it case-insensitive. Is this even possible or planned?
[03:00:06] <werdnum>	Not that I'm aware.
[03:00:18] <VartanSimonian>	hmm, okay.
[03:00:49] <Simetrical>	werdnum, it's been something people have pondered for a while
[03:00:52] <Simetrical>	.
[03:00:54] <Simetrical>	No progress being made, though.
[03:01:49] <researcher717>	Reading through the privacy policy. This is a start, thanks
[03:02:06] <VartanSimonian>	is there by any chance at least an extension to make the search case-insensitive, Simetrical?
[03:02:26] <Simetrical>	Yes, that exists somewhere.
[03:02:39] <VartanSimonian>	okay, I'm off to search for it, thanks
[03:02:41] <Simetrical>	researcher717, the privacy policy is what Wikimedia commits to, and checkusers and stuff.  Ordinary admins don't have to agree to it.
[03:02:52] <Simetrical>	They don't have any info that ordinary users don't, anyway.
[03:03:35] <researcher717>	Simetrical, I thought they could access items in the Special:Log like deleted articles?
[03:04:05] <Simetrical>	Oh, yeah, they get a little extra stuff, true.
[03:04:35] <werdnum>	Maybe you should tell us what dispute you're settling.
[03:04:39] <Simetrical>	That would help.
[03:04:47] <Simetrical>	Although this is still for #wikipedia, not here, really.
[03:05:06] <researcher717>	Just some people beating up on an admin for deleting an article.. 
[03:06:23] *werdnum 	yawns.
[03:06:48] <researcher717>	And he's being accused of violating privileges etc.. Wanted to get a background on it 
[03:07:08] <researcher717>	Are there any other documents an admin that applies to admins? 
[03:07:49] <Splarka>	#wikipedia
[03:07:59] <researcher717>	Wanna move this discussion to #wikipedia ok
[03:08:09] <researcher717>	sorry about this
[03:11:21] <VartanSimonian>	strange....
[03:12:04] <VartanSimonian>	When I run maintenance\cleanupCaps.php in command line, I get an access denied mysql error, but I can browse the wiki fine
[03:12:18] <yksinaisyyteni>	you need to create AdminSettings.php
[03:12:45] <VartanSimonian>	ah
[03:12:57] <VartanSimonian>	I ask too many stupid questions, imho. :)
[03:28:37] <CIA-8>	03tstarling * r44599 10/branches/REL1_12/phase3/ (17 files in 4 dirs): Backports from 1.13.
[03:57:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Implement a validation check for ISBN links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2391  (10matthew.flaschen)
[04:09:35] <MZMcBride>	Hmm. Is tparscal one of those freaks who isn't on IRC all the time?
[04:09:55] <yksinaisyyteni>	that's TrevorParscal
[04:09:58] <werdnum>	TrevorParscal_: 
[04:10:05] <MZMcBride>	Ahh.
[04:10:24] <MZMcBride>	I only ever see his commit name, I think.
[04:10:39] <MZMcBride>	Regardless, he appears to be away.
[04:12:22] <Splarka>	could add his irc nick to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developers?_Developers!_Developers!_Developers!
[04:15:23] <MZMcBride>	Heh.
[04:18:10] <Krimpet>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developers?_In my Wikimedia?
[04:18:30] <Splarka>	_More_likely_than_you_think!
[04:23:15] <yksinaisyyteni>	ugh, top posting on mediawiki-l
[04:25:21] <techman224>	Cobi?
[04:32:49] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) linking to specific sections within preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16650 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User preferences; (beesley)
[04:39:45] <Vyznev>	woo
[04:39:56] *Vyznev 	made it into "Top 5 Bug Resolvers"!
[04:40:24] <Vyznev>	not really an earthshattering achievement, but still... :)
[04:40:58] <Dantman>	^_^ If you're so good at solving bugs... want to help me debug why my FastCGI library isn't working? heh
[04:41:32] <werdnum>	Vyznev: While you revel in your glory, want to do some abuse filter testing for me? :)
[04:41:43] <Dantman>	heh
[04:41:51] <Vyznev>	werdnum: oh, sure, why not
[04:41:57] <Vyznev>	what was the address again?
[04:42:07] <Splarka>	Vyznev: while you're reveling in your ego...
[04:42:20] <Vyznev>	hey, werdnum was first :)
[04:42:20] <Splarka>	lesson to bug resolvers: never brag in open channels
[04:42:28] <Splarka>	Dan was first
[04:42:34] <Vyznev>	true
[04:42:50] <Dantman>	Heh... though I'm talking a variant of JS no-one here uses...
[04:43:01] <Vyznev>	but I know zip about fastCGI, so he'll just have to deal with it on his own ;)
[04:43:17] <Dantman>	viva la PHP resistance!!!
[04:43:19] <werdnum>	Vyznev: http://wiki.werdn.us/test/view/Abuse_Filter_testing
[04:43:28] <Dantman>	Heh... really I think it's a TCP issue
[04:43:44] <Dantman>	I get the same problem when building a HTTP Client
[04:45:13] <Vyznev>	werdnum: ok, just signed up as "Ilmari Karonen"
[04:45:37] *werdnum 	<3 that name.
[04:45:58] <werdnum>	Vyznev: promoted.
[04:46:54] <Mathieu1>	hi!
[04:47:05] <Vyznev>	thx, looking at the docs now
[04:47:56] <str4nd>	o hai Vyznev
[04:48:09] <Vyznev>	hi str4nd 
[04:48:54] <morgajel>	I'm working on an extension- suppose I replace the <c>a</c> in <pre>blah blah <c>a</c>blah blah blah</pre> with a <div>foo</div>... is there a way to prevent mediawiki from doing this? </pre><div>foo</div><pre>
[04:48:58] <Mathieu1>	does anyone know how to install imagemagick? I've been trying for 2 days :(
[04:49:21] <morgajel>	it's like it's escaping my div from the <pre> block
[04:49:25] <morgajel>	do not want
[04:49:44] <Vyznev>	morgajel: I don't think HTML allows nesting <div> inside <pre>
[04:50:02] <Vyznev>	why would you want to, anyway?
[04:50:45] <morgajel>	Vyznev: trying to create something similar to http://www.e-chords.com/guitartab.asp?idmusica=101620   <-- the chord names
[04:50:53] <morgajel>	hover the mouse over C7
[04:51:32] <Dantman>	Use JS
[04:52:01] <Dantman>	You also probably want to use a div with white-space: pre; rather than a pre tag
[04:52:19] <Vyznev>	or, if you're going to be playing silly CSS games anyway, use a <span> and give it display:block
[04:52:43] <morgajel>	hrm... 
[04:53:00] <Vyznev>	but I'd go with JS, it degrades better
[04:53:01] <morgajel>	Vyznev: actually, I'm doing it with a <table>; I just saw the behavior with the div as well.
[04:53:25] <morgajel>	when you say JS, are you talking about building the content with innerhtml or something nasty like that?
[04:53:42] <Dantman>	JS for the mouseover
[04:53:55] <morgajel>	I plan on it
[04:54:06] <Dantman>	And innerHTML isn't necessary, document.createElement works fine
[04:54:12] <Dantman>	But innerHTML isn't really nasty
[04:54:22] <morgajel>	the problem is how do you create the box that appears/disappears?
[04:54:34] <Dantman>	mouseover event
[04:54:53] <morgajel>	I get that- actually I was gonna use an onclick, but same idea
[04:54:59] <Splarka>	innerHTML has to wait for FF1.5 to die out
[04:55:11] <Vyznev>	Dantman: maybe not nasty, but it is scary, particularly when assigned to
[04:55:12] <Dantman>	Oh?
[04:55:34] <morgajel>	it's been a while since I wrote html... back when DHTML was new and scary
[04:55:45] <Vyznev>	it should really be named .yeahImReallySureIWantThisStringToBeParsedAsHTML
[04:55:50] <morgajel>	so I'm still trying to feel out my limits of what's considered acceptable
[04:56:14] <Splarka>	er, pre 1.5
[04:56:24] <Dantman>	What kind of idjit sends non-html to innerHTML
[04:56:26] <Splarka>	didn't allow innerHTML in XHTML
[04:57:12] <Vyznev>	Dantman: an ordinary common or garden idjit.  they're not an endangered species.
[04:57:18] <Dantman>	FF 3 is already out... people on FF that old deserve a broken site
[04:57:53] <Vyznev>	we had one bug like that in our sortable tables code
[04:57:55] <Splarka>	and with that attitude you shouldn't be working on a project that still supports IE for the Mac
[04:58:02] <Vyznev>	let me dig up the secunia advisory
[04:58:31] <Dantman>	No... it doesn't support IE for mac... it makes sure to degrade
[04:58:47] <morgajel>	Vyznev: see, I was gonna use the plugin to do something like this: http://pastebin.ca/1285693
[04:59:22] <morgajel>	the div tag you see there actually houses a table which lays our the # of chords
[04:59:42] <morgajel>	http://wiki.morgajel.com/index.php/Lucky_Boys_Confusion_-_Mr._Wilmington  <-- click on the G
[04:59:55] <morgajel>	something like that
[05:00:25] <morgajel>	but as you can see, it's throwing in those damn </pre><pre> tags around it
[05:02:36] <Vyznev>	Dantman: ah, here it is: http://secunia.com/advisories/24039/
[05:02:45] <Vyznev>	and here's the fix: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/19688
[05:02:57] <morgajel>	DarkRift: looking at those, does that make more sense with what I'm trying to do?
[05:03:10] <Vyznev>	but it's really a bigger issue with user scripts
[05:03:19] <Vyznev>	since those are not as scarefully checked
[05:03:30] <Vyznev>	*carefully :)
[05:04:38] <Vyznev>	morgajel: try just using <span> instead of <div> there
[05:05:16] <werdnum>	Vyznev: indeed - they are scarefully unchecked.
[05:05:58] <Vyznev>	but it would be much nicer if you could do it all with JS, since the way you're doing it, users with no CSS support will see all the chordlookup() stuff embedded within the text
[05:06:25] <morgajel>	Vyznev: the problem is the <table> tag causes the same issue
[05:08:14] <morgajel>	Vyznev: ideally a simple display none or display inline should be enough without a lot of css voodoo
[05:08:26] <morgajel>	I'm not sure what would be required to get it to work in javascript
[05:10:01] <morgajel>	and due to the tabular nature of the chords (where alignment is critical), it makes sense to keep them in a table
[05:11:25] <Vyznev>	without knowing just what chordlookup() does, I can't give details, but the basic idea would be just have the javascript code called by the mouseover handler create the popup elements
[05:12:21] <Vyznev>	.innerHTML would work for that, or you could build it up node by node with document.createElement and document.createTextNode
[05:12:23] <morgajel>	hold on, lemme post that
[05:13:50] <morgajel>	http://pastebin.ca/1285704
[05:13:58] <morgajel>	that has all 3 functions
[05:14:06] <morgajel>	the chords array is heavily truncated
[05:14:11] <morgajel>	but it's enough to give you an idea
[05:15:04] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add 'oga' and 'ogx' to $wgFileExtensions[] to complement ' ogv' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16651 normal; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (krimpet)
[05:18:10] <morgajel>	ok, wife's saying time for bed
[05:19:01] <morgajel>	Vyznev: I'll catch up with you tomorrow hopefully
[05:19:09] <morgajel>	thanks again for the help
[05:19:22] <morgajel>	and feel free to msg me if you come up with a possible solution
[06:49:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Possibility to link to particular section of [[Special: Preferences]] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16013  +comment (10beesley)
[06:50:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Possibility to link to particular section of [[Special: Preferences]] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16013  (10beesley)
[06:50:51] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) linking to specific sections within preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16650  +comment (10beesley)
[07:01:39] <siebrand>	TimStarling: are you going to release a 1.12 update too, and if so, how much time do I have to get the L10n backports in?
[07:02:35] <TimStarling>	yes, 1.12, 1.13 and 1.6
[07:02:45] <TimStarling>	you have a couple of hours
[07:04:09] <TimStarling>	the changes in 1.6 will be minimal
[07:06:12] <siebrand>	TimStarling: have to bring kids to school and get to work... Need at least 3 hours from now... Can I have those?
[07:06:22] <TimStarling>	yes
[07:06:51] <TimStarling>	I'll wait
[07:07:03] <siebrand>	thanks
[07:09:08] <Ludoza>	Hi there, we are using mediawiki on your local wireless user group. But seeing some links are slow and sometimes some access points go down we would like to mirror your mediawiki, for redundancy.
[07:09:27] <Ludoza>	Can someone maybe just point me in the right direction with a url or phrase I need to google?
[07:09:35] <yksinaisyyteni>	this is not a channel for a wireless user group, it's the channel for the mediawiki software
[07:09:54] <yksinaisyyteni>	if you're trying to contact the owner of a particular wiki, you're in the wrong place
[07:10:38] <Ludoza>	yksinaisyyteni did you read my question? I want to know how to mirror the mediawiki software...
[07:10:59] <TimStarling>	maybe Ludoza is just a bit confused about pronouns
[07:11:44] <Ludoza>	TimStarling I do believe so, all that your needs to be our.
[07:11:55] <yksinaisyyteni>	okay, that makes more sense
[07:12:13] <yksinaisyyteni>	Ludoza: if you want a static mirror, the dumpHTML extension probably does what you want
[07:12:53] <Ludoza>	and if I want the users to be able to edit a page on one mediawiki and let it roll over to the others?
[07:13:05] <yksinaisyyteni>	that's not particularly possible
[07:15:35] <Splarka>	"not particularly possible"
[07:17:06] <TimStarling>	there's a couple of wiki engines that run on top of git
[07:17:10] <TimStarling>	that would probably work
[07:17:23] <TimStarling>	not possible with MediaWiki though
[07:17:38] <TimStarling>	the obvious solution is to not attempt to host things behind a wireless connection
[07:17:54] <TimStarling>	if anyone should know how much wireless sucks, it's a wireless user group
[07:18:10] <Ludoza>	So it will not be possible to run two databases in seperate locations while keeping them in sync?
[07:18:16] <Vyznev>	I suppose one could do something like what Wikimedia does, setting up multiple servers with their own slave MySQL servers
[07:18:26] <TimStarling>	you can't write to a slave server
[07:18:36] <Vyznev>	but that would be like swatting a fly with a sledgehammer
[07:18:37] <TimStarling>	a slave server would just be the same as a regular HTML dump
[07:18:38] <yksinaisyyteni>	Vyznev: but those would be separate wikis, i don't think that's what he wants
[07:18:44] <Vyznev>	and, as Tim notes, it wouldn't even really kill the fly
[07:18:48] <TimStarling>	except that you'd have to run mediawiki on it and it would break because it couldn't write to its caches
[07:20:39] <Ludoza>	So you guys are telling me when I do a edit on wikipedia in deep dark africa it goes to one master database and only after that get copied to the slave databases?
[07:20:50] <TimStarling>	yes
[07:20:59] <CIA-8>	03tstarling * r44600 10/branches/ (13 files in 10 dirs): 
[07:20:59] <CIA-8>	* Fixed a couple of missing lines in 1.12
[07:20:59] <CIA-8>	* Added missing autoloader entry in 1.13
[07:21:00] <CIA-8>	* Prepared the 1.6 branch for release, with a cut-down version of the security fixes
[07:21:00] <CIA-8>	* Rewrote the RELEASE-NOTES entry for all 3 branches
[07:21:20] <TimStarling>	that's why it's so fast and reliable
[07:21:23] <Ludoza>	*grin* that must be one monster master database.
[07:21:49] <TimStarling>	but if you want the p2p experience, you can always access it via tor
[07:21:50] <Ludoza>	or atleast the system it runs ons.
[07:23:29] <Ludoza>	Thanks a lot for the information I think our only option is to dumpHTML it for now and maybe have a look at some of those git wikis
[07:35:07] <_wooz>	lo
[08:16:51] <CIA-8>	03tstarling * r44601 10/branches/REL1_13/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/mv_embed/cortado_iframe.php: Backported r39191 from trunk
[08:36:26] <CIA-8>	03tstarling * r44602 10/trunk/extensions/wikihiero/ (index.php wh_generate.php): Disable index.php and wh_generate.php by default -- potential XSS vulnerabilities.
[08:37:15] <CIA-8>	03siebrand * r44603 10/branches/REL1_12/phase3/maintenance/language/messages.inc: Update messages.inc for r44599 and r44600
[08:39:08] <CIA-8>	03tstarling * r44604 10/branches/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Backport r44602 to 1.12 and 1.13
[08:39:48] <Splarka>	vendor specific CSS on our main.css? more likely than you think
[08:39:52] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Common.css#iPhone_compatibility
[08:40:23] <Splarka>	silly iPhone... "I'm a big browser! Yes I am, I am not gonna read your silly media='handheld'" "okay, here you go, a full size page" "Waaaaah, it is too big!"
[08:41:04] <Krimpet>	We've done an awful lot already to cater to the iPhone... why isn't my BlackBerry getting any love? >_>
[08:41:19] <Splarka>	racism?
[08:41:58] <Krimpet>	Splarka, eh, they're both decidedly black devices. :p
[08:42:06] <Splarka>	does the blackberry respect media="handheld" ?
[08:42:35] *Krimpet 	checks
[08:43:03] <CIA-8>	03siebrand * r44605 10/branches/REL1_13/phase3/maintenance/language/messages.inc: Add 'filetype-bad-ie-mime'
[08:43:58] <Krimpet>	Splarka, any good tests for that?
[08:44:50] <Splarka>	sure, create a page and put in a <style type="text/css" media="handheld"> body {background-color:#ff00ff !important;} </style>
[08:46:02] <Krimpet>	hmm, looks like it doesn't
[08:48:15] <Splarka>	W3: "here, we made these for you, so that we can easily identify you and people can decide how to serve you better." Phones: "You know who else liked marking lower class citizens explicitly."
[08:48:16] <CIA-8>	03tstarling * r44606 10/trunk/extensions/uniwiki/UniwikiSettings.php: Fix classic register_globals inclusion vulnerability found during automated scan.
[08:49:23] <CIA-8>	03tstarling * r44607 10/trunk/extensions/EmergencyDeSysop/EmergencyDeSysop.php: Fix register_globals XSS vulnerability found during automated scan.
[08:54:47] <CIA-8>	03siebrand * r44608 10/branches/REL1_13/phase3/languages/messages/ (56 files): 
[08:54:47] <CIA-8>	Localisation updates from Beatwiki
[08:54:47] <CIA-8>	* Backport compatible localisations to REL1_13
[09:01:48] <CIA-8>	03siebrand * r44609 10/branches/REL1_12/phase3/languages/messages/ (66 files): 
[09:01:48] <CIA-8>	Localisation updates from Betawiki
[09:01:48] <CIA-8>	* Backport compatible localisations to REL1_12
[09:05:53] <CIA-8>	03aaron * r44610 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/CodeRevisionView.php: Re-commit bug 16381 fix
[09:06:06] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Can't add tags to revisions any more - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16381  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[09:07:35] <siebrand>	TimStarling: I'm done. Way ahead of schedule :)
[09:07:42] <CIA-8>	03siebrand * r44611 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (43 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-15-10 09:48 CET)
[09:07:44] <TimStarling>	thanks
[09:19:26] <CIA-8>	03tstarling * r44612 10/branches/REL1_13/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: Release notes wording tweak
[09:24:18] <CIA-8>	03tstarling * r44613 10/tags/REL1_13_3/: Tagging for release 1.13.3
[09:25:15] <CIA-8>	03tstarling * r44614 10/tags/REL1_13_2/REL1_12/: Tagging for release 1.12.2
[09:25:53] <TimStarling>	damn
[09:25:57] <TimStarling>	that's not right
[09:26:02] <CIA-8>	03tstarling * r44615 10/tags/REL1_6_11/: Tagging for release 1.6.11
[09:27:08] <CIA-8>	03tstarling * r44616 10/tags/REL1_12_2/: Tagging for release 1.12.2
[09:28:02] <CIA-8>	03tstarling * r44617 10/tags/REL1_13_2/REL1_12/: Fixed broken remote copy
[09:52:46] <werdnum>	TimStarling: releases look like hard work.
[10:05:29] <TimStarling>	there's plenty to do
[10:05:43] <TimStarling>	and it doesn't help when it takes 15 minutes to upload each tarball
[10:07:09] <domas>	we still support 1.6?
[10:07:38] <TimStarling>	well, I'm releasing one, so yes
[10:07:53] <TimStarling>	we haven't had a security vulnerability in it for a while, that's why there have been no releases since 2007
[10:08:27] <yksinaisyyteni>	i think most of them were API problems that didn't exist in 1.6, too
[10:08:51] <TimStarling>	Angela says 1.6 is the most common MediaWiki version
[10:09:17] <yksinaisyyteni>	MediaWiki LTS
[10:10:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Errors in centralnotice.js - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16641  (10apper)
[10:16:25] <Duesentrieb>	i seem to recall that there was a way to specify styles for a table *column* in mediawiki... i can't find it any more. 
[10:16:31] <Duesentrieb>	how would you do that?
[10:18:03] <werdnum>	10:08 < TimStarling> Angela says 1.6 is the most common MediaWiki version
[10:18:05] <werdnum>	wow.
[10:18:25] <werdnum>	I guess the 'new features' since then aren't that obvious if you don't know about them.
[10:22:08] <root-80686>	maybe a lot of people sticked with 1.6 because it supports PHP4 
[10:22:33] <root-80686>	I guess most of them since updated their PHP, but didn't thought on updating MW as well
[10:23:04] <Prom_cat>	Hey
[10:23:45] <Prom_cat>	Is thier an easy way to integrat cooliris (piclens) support into the mediawiki new files page?
[10:25:47] <Prom_cat>	If you dont know what cooliris is see http://www.cooliris.com/
[10:26:01] <Prom_cat>	Its basically a virtual image wall.
[10:27:09] <root-80686>	Prom_cat: integrating means getting some kind of flash code into the page?
[10:27:35] <Prom_cat>	no
[10:27:57] <Prom_cat>	see http://developer.cooliris.com/?p=full
[10:28:09] <Prom_cat>	It uses media RSS 
[10:28:26] <Prom_cat>	Cooliris is a browser add-on
[10:31:01] <root-80686>	so you want MW to offer a RSS feed?
[10:34:15] <Prom_cat>	Its a bit more compliacted than that
[10:34:22] <Prom_cat>	Read the developer page.
[10:34:40] <Prom_cat>	Im just looking for a quick easy way i can integrate it into mediawiki.
[10:36:37] <Duesentrieb>	Prom_cat: well, i'm pretty sure you can write an extension to do it. if you'd consider that "simple" very much depends :)
[10:37:03] *Prom_cat 	doesnt write extentions
[10:37:11] *Prom_cat 	gives cookies to people who do :P
[10:37:33] <Prom_cat>	But yeah, I think that would be an awesome extension to have
[10:38:01] *Prom_cat 	looks at werdnum and siebrand
[10:38:09] <werdnum>	what?
[10:38:24] <werdnum>	MediaWiki already has RSS feeds.
[10:38:27] <Prom_cat>	Wanna write the most awesome extension ever?
[10:38:30] <Prom_cat>	no
[10:38:31] <werdnum>	!rss
[10:38:31] --mwbot--	Feed aggregator extensions: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:RSS_Extensions>. Feed generator extensions: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Feed_generator_extensions>.
[10:38:36] <Prom_cat>	its more comple than that
[10:38:47] <werdnum>	Then what is it?
[10:38:52] <Prom_cat>	http://developer.cooliris.com/?p=full
[10:38:55] <Prom_cat>	Cooliris
[10:39:07] <Prom_cat>	Want to intergrate it into the NewFiles page
[10:42:43] <Duesentrieb>	Prom_cat: well, for generating the feed, you'd write either a cusom special page or, perhaps better, an action handler. adding stuff the to html head isn't hard from an extension, even though it may be a bit non-obvious.
[10:42:47] <Duesentrieb>	!extensions
[10:42:47] --mwbot--	MediaWiki has been built so it can easily be customized by adding extensions. This is usually a simple process. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Extensions> for instructions to install extensions, as well as for writing them. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix> for an overview of known extensions.
[10:48:00] <Prom_cat>	Ok, well, that doesnt appear to be the easy way i was looking for ;)
[10:48:24] <Prom_cat>	so im just gonna put that one on hold for now.
[10:48:46] <Prom_cat>	also, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PicLens
[10:48:53] <Prom_cat>	Someone has already done that hard part
[10:48:58] <Prom_cat>	except it doesnt work right.....
[10:49:09] <Prom_cat>	oh yeah and its for the gallery tag
[10:49:15] <Prom_cat>	not the newfiles page.
[12:30:40] <Penggu>	hi all. lost in cryptic mw manual. simple question: can i include in a page an automatic table of links to pages that link to that page, without having to click on "what links here" ?
[12:30:54] <Penggu>	table/list/whatever
[12:31:20] <Penggu>	tryign to automatically relate a hierarchy of pages to each other, at lease (next/prev/up) etc
[12:32:22] <werdnum>	DynamicPageList might help
[12:32:25] <werdnum>	!dpl | Penggu 
[12:32:25] --mwbot--	Penggu: The DynamicPageList (DPL) extension outputs reports based on criteria given in a special tag. For more information, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicPageList> and <http://semeb.com/dpldemo/index.php?title=Dynamic_Page_List>.
[12:38:30] <Duesentrieb>	!hierarchy | Penggu
[12:38:30] --mwbot--	Penggu: I don't know anything about "hierarchy".
[12:38:33] <Duesentrieb>	bah
[12:38:38] <Duesentrieb>	!e Hierarchy | Penggu
[12:38:38] --mwbot--	Penggu: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Hierarchy
[12:38:58] <Duesentrieb>	doing it with DPL would be a bit annyoping
[12:40:16] <Penggu>	ah wow. got dpl working
[12:41:15] <Penggu>	i wonder if there's a $thisPage type thing
[12:42:57] <werdnum>	{{PAGENAME}}
[12:44:35] <Penggu>	excelltent, thanks
[12:44:57] <Penggu>	i should stop asking questions now that im on a roll, and rtfm
[12:45:06] <Penggu>	much appreciated
[12:45:19] *Penggu 	waves
[13:05:42] <werdnum>	that was quick.
[13:05:58] <TimStarling>	did my nickname change?
[13:06:08] <werdnum>	yeah
[13:06:38] <TimStarling>	I'd better disable that feature
[13:07:00] <werdnum>	When does it change?
[13:07:18] <TimStarling>	when I disconnect
[13:07:32] <werdnum>	.. Don't you use X-Chat, and so there's no "disconnection"?
[13:07:47] <TimStarling>	I got a VPS the other day
[13:08:03] <TimStarling>	from some people called RapidXen
[13:08:11] <werdnum>	oh, those people I suggested.
[13:08:16] <TimStarling>	yes
[13:08:25] <werdnum>	Brion's getting one too, but on a different provider.
[13:08:38] <werdnum>	All the cool kids are doing it.
[13:09:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add 'oga' and 'ogx' to $wgFileExtensions[] to complement 'ogv' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16651   +shell (10raimond.spekking)
[13:09:33] <TimStarling>	I guess it was more like a week ago now
[13:09:35] <werdnum>	Did you set up a blog yet?
[13:09:53] <TimStarling>	no, but I've got Angela's 5 websites running on it
[13:10:13] <yksinaisyyteni>	i'm probably going to move my vps to my adsl line at some point
[13:10:17] <werdnum>	Well, that's a start.
[13:10:41] <TimStarling>	plus mail forwarding and IRC proxy
[13:13:49] <TimStarling>	I upgraded the two wordpress instances, wordpress is insecure, it's almost as bad as drupal
[13:14:36] <werdnum>	that reminds me, my rapidxen bill is due tomorrow.
[13:15:15] <TimStarling>	it lets administrators edit PHP files
[13:15:26] <TimStarling>	and it encourages them to set the permissions on those files to 777
[13:15:34] <TimStarling>	so that it can edit them
[13:15:39] <werdnum>	yeah, the skin files.
[13:15:58] <TimStarling>	drupal stores PHP code in the database
[13:16:26] <TimStarling>	so anyone who can read the settings file can run arbitrary scripts
[13:16:34] <TimStarling>	any local user, I mean
[13:16:39] <TimStarling>	in addition to XSS
[13:19:39] <p858snake>	out of all the cms's i tried on opensourcecms there was only one i could use/get used to
[13:24:46] <Ludoza>	TimStarling what other opensource cms would you recommend one look at?
[13:28:06] <TimStarling>	I wouldn't know
[13:28:31] <TimStarling>	you mean other than MediaWiki?
[13:33:59] <akas>	hello, i need help.
[13:34:02] <p858snake>	Ludoza: tbh i quite liked website baker last time i used it
[13:34:25] <p858snake>	try having a look at www.opensourcecms.com/ for demos and such
[13:34:58] <Duesentrieb>	!ask | akas
[13:34:58] --mwbot--	akas: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[13:36:35] <akas>	how can i put database item to generate a new wiki-site (private) in sql ?
[13:36:47] <akas>	sry @mwbot .
[13:38:49] <Duesentrieb>	akas: mwot is a bot, he doesn't care :)
[13:39:13] <Duesentrieb>	akas: but i don't understand your question. what are you trying to do? 
[13:40:30] <akas>	for example i have projects in a database. and i need for eyery project a wiki-site. how can i generate a wiki site with items from the db ?
[13:40:41] <akas>	u speak german duesentrieb ?
[13:41:00] <Duesentrieb>	you mean a wiki *page* i assume
[13:41:05] <akas>	yes :)
[13:41:18] <Duesentrieb>	yes i speak german, but if we switch to german, most other people can help you
[13:41:25] <Duesentrieb>	that's bad in case i just wonder of. as i often do.
[13:42:10] <Duesentrieb>	akas: there are several ways to do this. but the safest and, maybe, simples one is: write a little program in whatever language you like that generates an XML files that can be imported into mediawiki
[13:42:26] <Duesentrieb>	the xml format is pretty simply
[13:42:27] <Duesentrieb>	!export
[13:42:27] --mwbot--	To export pages from a wiki, navigate to Special:Export on the wiki, type in the names of the pages to export, and hit "export". See <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Export> for an example of this form. See also: !import
[13:42:36] <Duesentrieb>	hm... not the link i wanted
[13:42:38] <Duesentrieb>	!import
[13:42:38] --mwbot--	To import pages a few pages, use Special:Import - you can also import pages directly from another wiki (see !importsources). For mass imports, use importDump.php - see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Importing_XML_dumps> for details. NOTE: when using content from another wiki, follow the LICENSE TERMS, especially, attribute source and authors!
[13:43:00] <Duesentrieb>	that's good info for you, but not what i was looking for either
[13:43:01] <Duesentrieb>	!xml
[13:43:01] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "xml". You might try: !domdocument !import !wiki2xml 
[13:43:13] <Duesentrieb>	damn :)
[13:43:56] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Image not displayed in Page namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16652 major; normal; MediaWiki extensions: ProofreadPage; (bertrand.grondin)
[13:45:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Image not displayed in Page namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16652  (10bertrand.grondin)
[13:46:40] <hausgeist>	moin
[13:48:07] <Duesentrieb>	hm, the xml dump example is wonderful.
[13:48:08] <Duesentrieb>	<text>WHYD YOU LOCK PAGE??!!! i was editing that jerk</text>
[13:48:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Image not displayed in Page namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16652  (10bertrand.grondin)
[13:49:13] <Grondin>	Salut ThomasV, pourrais-tu regarder ce bug https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16652
[13:49:45] <werdnum>	salut Grondin 
[13:49:59] <Grondin>	salut werdnum 
[13:50:49] <ThomasV>	Grondin: vérifie si ton webstore fonctionne correctement
[13:56:09] <Grondin>	ThomasV, comment vérifier ?
[13:56:20] <ThomasV>	url ?
[13:56:31] <Grondin>	c'est le wiki de mon PC, 
[13:56:36] <Grondin>	donc non inaccessible
[13:56:41] <Grondin>	dans Special:Version ?
[13:57:17] <ThomasV>	affiche un thumbnail et change l'url pour changer sa taille
[13:57:32] <ThomasV>	si ça marche c'est que webstore est bien installé
[13:58:13] <Grondin>	dans l'index ?
[13:59:22] <ThomasV>	quel index ?
[13:59:49] <Grondin>	Dans l'url [[Image:non image|xxxpx|thumb|text]] ???
[14:00:09] <ThomasV>	non, l'url de l'image
[14:00:22] <ThomasV>	avec thumb dedans
[14:00:25] <Grondin>	ok
[14:00:27] <Grondin>	je teste
[14:01:27] <ThomasV>	je suppose, bien sûr, que tu as configuré un 404 handler 
[14:02:08] <Grondin>	dans apache.conf ?
[14:02:57] <ThomasV>	je ne sais pas
[14:03:12] <Grondin>	ErrorDocument 404 /var/www/wiki/extensions/WebStore/404-handler.php
[14:03:16] <ThomasV>	ça dépend de ton install
[14:03:48] <ThomasV>	et alors, ça marche ?
[14:04:16] <ThomasV>	tu dois pouvoir redimensionner l'image en changeant sa taille dans l'url
[14:04:36] <ThomasV>	si ça marche pas, c'est que webstore n'est pas correctement configuré
[14:05:25] <Grondin>	pour l'url, on ajoute quoi au bout ?
[14:06:07] <ThomasV>	montre moi l'url
[14:06:10] <Grondin>	http://localhost/wiki/images/e/ed/Mariage.djvu déjà cela s'affiche
[14:06:22] <ThomasV>	c'est pazs un thumb
[14:06:22] <Wuzur>	Is it possible to share sites or even namespaces between two wikis running on the same host?
[14:06:47] <ThomasV>	Grondin:  l'url avec 'thumb' dedans
[14:07:01] <Grondin>	je regarde
[14:08:33] <ThomasV>	bonne chance
[14:13:17] <morgajel>	Vyznev: so I saw your comment- thank you; I tweaked it a bit and implemented it, but the only thing I couldn't get working was span.appendChild( chordPopup );  // also removes chordPopup from its previous location
[14:13:45] <morgajel>	the chordpopup doesn't appear next to the one that was clicked
[14:14:56] <Quakeile>	Hi =) How to update from 1.93. to 1.13.2? Step by step or can I go directly from 1.9 to 1.13?
[14:15:32] <Wuzur>	!upgrading | Quakeile 
[14:15:32] --mwbot--	Quakeile: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading
[14:15:44] <Wuzur>	-> directly
[14:16:06] <metheocrite>	Hi everyone.
[14:16:26] <Wuzur>	hi metheocrite
[14:16:33] <morgajel>	Vyznev: http://wiki.morgajel.com/index.php/Lucky_Boys_Confusion_-_Mr._Wilmington (http://wiki.morgajel.com/extensions/chords.js)
[14:17:12] <metheocrite>	Is there a way to automatically include uploaded files in a page ? So that users that are not familiar with mediawiki syntax don't have to edit pages, just upload files ?
[14:18:18] <Quakeile>	ok, thanks a lot Wuzur! :)
[14:35:23] <metheocrite>	Sorry, I got disconnected. If anyone answered my question, can (s)he repeat it please ? :/
[14:35:54] <Wuzur>	repating my question from above: Is it possible to share pages or entire namepaces within different wikis on the same host without keeping a bot running?
[14:36:11] <werdnum>	Wuzur: not that I'm aware, but it would be a cool extension.
[14:36:11] <Wuzur>	(I share the user database so the user ids are not the problem)
[14:36:15] *werdnum 	would use it.
[14:36:22] <Wuzur>	metheocrite: There was no answer
[14:36:57] <metheocrite>	Wuzur: thank you  :)
[14:37:32] <Duesentrieb>	metheocrite: it would be kind of hard... the only think that would be possible is to just stick the image to the end of the page, full scale. but that's pretty useles, no?
[14:38:19] <Duesentrieb>	Wuzur: for individual pages, transwiki inclusion aka "scary inclusion" can be used.
[14:38:33] *Wuzur 	looks
[14:38:34] <Duesentrieb>	doeing this for an entire namespace would be much harder. 
[14:38:40] <Duesentrieb>	@search scary
[14:38:40] --mwbot--	Results: [scarytranscluding]
[14:38:48] <Duesentrieb>	!scarytranscluding | Wuzur
[14:38:48] --mwbot--	Wuzur: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual%3A%24wgEnableScaryTranscluding
[14:39:05] <Duesentrieb>	oh boy.
[14:49:04] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED)  Trying to move a page onto an interwiki page produces an inappropriate error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15849  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[14:49:53] *^demon 	kicks CIA-8
[14:49:54] <CIA-8>	ow
[14:50:10] <metheocrite>	Duesentrieb: Yeah I know. I just wanted to make sure wether there was an easy way for a unexperimented user to upload a file by just uploading it. eg : use something like Special:Upload/banners would link in the page wiki/Banner.
[14:50:43] <Duesentrieb>	"link" how?
[14:51:02] <Duesentrieb>	i think there are extensions that try to do somethign like this
[14:51:07] *werdnum 	kicks CIA-8 
[14:51:09] <CIA-8>	ow
[14:51:16] *^demon 	throws sharp objects at scary transcluding.
[14:51:24] *ialex 	eats CIA-8
[14:51:25] *CIA-8 	tastes crunchy
[14:51:47] <^demon>	CIA-8: Crunchy or not, you're still not doing your job well :-\
[14:52:18] <metheocrite>	Duesentrieb: idk, just put the link at the end of the page. It was just a guess, My  imagination is somewhat limited.
[14:52:45] <Duesentrieb>	just a link, without showing the image? that's probably not what people expect.
[14:52:52] <Duesentrieb>	but if you show the image... how big?
[14:57:55] <Platonides>	4 vulnerabilities in a row
[14:58:49] <^demon>	I like the one that's existed since 1.3 :)
[14:59:29] <metheocrite>	Duesentrieb: well I allow documents, not only images. But you're right, I don't know how to handle images.
[14:59:50] <Platonides>	which one?
[15:00:16] <Platonides>	+				$fp = fopen( $tmpfile, 'rb' );
[15:00:16] <Platonides>	+				$chunk = fread( $fp, 256 );
[15:00:29] <Platonides>	Mediawiki is already reading the first 4096 on another place :S
[15:00:34] <^demon>	I haven't read the commits yet.
[15:00:41] <^demon>	* A CSRF vulnerability affecting the Special:Import feature, for all MediaWiki installations since the feature was introduced in 1.3.0. [CVE-2008-5252] <- that one
[15:00:41] <Platonides>	I'm looking at the patch
[15:00:57] <Platonides>	ah, that's really easy
[15:01:05] <Platonides>	Special:Import didn't require a token :P
[15:06:37] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Image not displayed in Page namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16652  +comment (10bertrand.grondin)
[15:19:31] <ecraven>	hello
[15:19:38] <Nikerabbit>	^demon: uhm?
[15:19:52] <ecraven>	is there a way to use &action=raw to actually edit a page? i don't get all the wp* parameters, so i can't really submit such a page, right?
[15:20:18] <Nikerabbit>	"cannot move a title to apple"?
[15:26:36] <Duesentrieb>	ecraven: the web api has an edit mode now. use that.
[15:27:02] <Duesentrieb>	!editapi
[15:27:02] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "editapi".
[15:27:05] <Duesentrieb>	bah
[15:27:06] <Duesentrieb>	!api
[15:27:06] --mwbot--	The MediaWiki API provides direct, high-level access to the data contained in the MediaWiki databases. Client programs should be able to use the API to login, get data, and post changes. Find out more at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API>. For client libraries in various languages, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Client_Code>.
[15:30:29] <Viele-baeren>	hi
[15:30:52] <Viele-baeren>	while installing mediawiki i get the error "Attempting to connect to database server as wikiuser...failed due to authentication errors. Check passwords." what have I done wrong? :S
[15:30:54] <^demon>	Nikerabbit: Hm?
[15:32:07] <Nikerabbit>	^demon: moving to "interwiki link", where interwiki link is not any abstract or concrete place does not sound right to me
[15:32:56] <^demon>	Can you think of a better message?
[15:32:59] <^demon>	brion: Morning.
[15:33:41] <brion-breakfast>	what up
[15:33:53] <^demon>	Trying to find things for bug monday :)
[15:33:53] <Subfader>	i found this great Extension:MultiUpload but it has no "file exists check". i guess it's hardcore to implent?
[15:34:07] <Nikerabbit>	^demon: nope, I don't trust my ear on this
[15:35:01] <^demon>	How about "Cannot move page to external namespace: $1"?
[15:35:38] <ialex>	"external namespace" hmm
[15:35:43] <Nikerabbit>	How about "Interwiki link is not a valid target for move operation" ?
[15:36:31] <^demon>	That works,.
[15:38:08] <Nikerabbit>	maybe something more friendly instead of move operation
[15:39:40] <^demon>	"Interwiki link is not a valid target for page moves?"
[15:41:55] <Nikerabbit>	maybe in singular?
[15:42:19] <ecraven>	Duesentrieb: how can i just get the *content* of a page in wiki format?
[15:42:28] <Duesentrieb>	action=raw
[15:42:57] <ecraven>	no, i mean via api.php
[15:44:19] <Duesentrieb>	don't remember, but i know it's possible
[15:44:55] <^demon>	Nikerabbit: Final version: "Interwiki link is not a valid target for page move."
[15:45:42] <Duesentrieb>	ecraven: rvprop=content, i guess
[15:45:54] <Nikerabbit>	^demon: nothing is final :D
[15:46:12] <Nikerabbit>	^demon: that's ok for me, but I'm not native
[15:46:31] <^demon>	It still feels awkward. But it's better, yes.
[16:12:43] <Nikerabbit>	Duesentrieb: hello, around, did you create languageselector?
[16:13:00] <Duesentrieb>	Nikerabbit: yes. it's broken, i know.
[16:13:05] <Duesentrieb>	fix it if you like :=)
[16:13:27] <Nikerabbit>	Duesentrieb: mm maybe, but I leave it to you :)
[16:13:38] <kraut>	hi
[16:13:45] <Duesentrieb>	its on position 124371 of my todo list.
[16:14:00] <kraut>	how do i setup, that users may only edit or create articles after i activated them?
[16:14:25] <Nikerabbit>	Duesentrieb: but one specific issue: http://translatewiki.net/sandwiki/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page#Please_sort_the_language_list_and_make_it_work_.21
[16:14:49] <Splarka>	kraut: if the accounts in question don't exist yet: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmAccount
[16:15:35] *Duesentrieb 	cries
[16:16:36] <Splarka>	hmm
[16:17:01] <Splarka>	so Angela wants to link to a specific id="" or a name="" _in_ a prefs tab...
[16:17:30] <Nikerabbit>	Duesentrieb: cry a river, save the world! :)
[16:17:40] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: ?
[16:17:43] <Splarka>	I guess the JS will have to getElementsById(hash) (and if false getElementsByTagName(hash)), and then move up the .parentNode tree to see if it is in such a tab, and then make that one visible
[16:17:51] <Splarka>	Nikerabbit: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16013
[16:22:20] <dida>	hi all, i'm using mediawiki 1.9.2 with < 50 entries.
[16:22:54] <dida>	should i upgrade to 1.13.3 or simply install it fresh?
[16:23:51] <Nikerabbit>	it is up to you
[16:23:57] <lch>	upgrading should be painless
[16:24:08] <Nikerabbit>	no reason you should not just do upgrade
[16:24:36] <lch>	you can just export it all, set up the new one and import it again, too, the base LocalSettings.php might have a couple of things that your old one didn't have
[16:25:12] <lch>	but you could just edit the sample from 1.13.2 to have the settings from your old one, too
[16:26:21] <dida>	lch, how to export it?
[16:26:28] <lch>	Special:Export
[16:28:42] <dida>	lch, what should input in the text area?
[16:29:02] <lch>	all the article names in your Wiki
[16:29:25] <lch>	well, upgrading might actually be easier
[16:29:45] <lch>	you should consider writing your LocalSettings.php from scratch again, though
[16:29:52] <dida>	i had a trauma with mediawiki
[16:30:27] <dida>	ok, thanks lch
[16:50:32] <lch>	how would I test something for being a null character in a template with the parserfunctions extension?
[16:51:05] <Splarka>	{{#if:{{{parameter|}}}|not null|null}}
[16:51:30] <Splarka>	the pipe in the parameter name is needed
[16:52:12] <lch>	doesn't work for me
[16:52:21] <lch>	I was trying to test for \0
[16:52:29] <lch>	not empty
[16:53:34] <Splarka>	how is it being assigned to \0? direct user input?
[16:53:54] <lch>	sql extension
[16:54:04] <lch>	I'm querying BIT columns
[16:54:20] <lch>	those are being returned as \0 and \1 it seems
[16:55:21] <Splarka>	hmm
[16:56:00] <Wuzur>	{{#ifeq:{{{parameter|}}|\0|null|not null}} maybe?
[16:57:13] <Splarka>	that's just a string comparison, and you can't use html entities in parser functions
[16:57:29] <Wuzur>	yes and thats the problem...
[16:57:37] <Splarka>	lch: does it return the string \0 or \1? or the character?
[16:58:01] <Splarka>	hmm, you can use a   in the textarea...
[16:58:10] <Splarka>	(although that might get converted to a space)
[16:58:28] <Splarka>	(a chr(1) that is)
[16:58:38] <Splarka>	dunno, make the extension not be stupid ^_^
[16:58:41] <Splarka>	or pokle Tim
[17:00:09] <Simetrical>	lch, null characters should never occur in wikitext, I'm quite certain.
[17:00:22] <lch>	Splarka, it returns the character
[17:00:27] <Simetrical>	If something is inserting them there, I'm fairly sure it shouldn't be.
[17:01:54] <lch>	as I said, unfortunately MySQL returns BIT values as character data and not as ints
[17:02:37] <lch>	and I don't want to write a hundred convert statement
[17:06:38] <lch>	I guess I'll redesign the SQL tables...
[17:07:23] <Nikerabbit>	hi Splarka 
[17:08:09] <Splarka>	rar
[17:29:39] <faceface_>	yo Splarka 
[17:29:54] <faceface_>	is there transaction roll back on the API?
[17:29:58] *faceface_ 	hides 
[17:30:26] <faceface_>	i.e. if I want to go in, and modify a bunch of pages and only 'commit' if everything was sucessfull...
[17:30:48] <Splarka>	only per-request, using the hash thingy
[17:30:55] <faceface_>	OK
[17:31:26] <Splarka>	I don't know if that is even possible...
[17:31:33] <faceface_>	hehe
[17:31:43] <Splarka>	ask Roan to make a 'dummy success' mode maybe
[17:31:45] <faceface_>	its a pretty high level 'database' function (which is why I hid)
[17:32:10] <Splarka>	like &action=edit&foo=bar&etc&testonly=true
[17:32:16] <Splarka>	(but with a better name)
[17:32:33] <Splarka>	then you could have your script submit all parts of the commit before actually committing
[17:32:42] <faceface_>	my idea is 'getTransaction ... do stuff... if no errors... commit'
[17:32:50] <Splarka>	though it wouldn't be perfect... some things you can't test without actually saving
[17:32:50] <faceface_>	I see
[17:33:23] <faceface_>	I suppose you can just set a time stamp, then check if everything is working, or roll back to that time
[17:34:48] <brion>	morrrrning everybody
[17:35:14] <Wuzur>	hi brion
[17:35:19] <Splarka>	hey brion, you're an iPhone <s>fanboy</s> user right?
[17:35:56] *rainman-sr 	gently pokes into the direction of missing rsyncd on srv56
[17:36:35] <brion>	YOU CAN'T STOP OUR LOVE!
[17:36:40] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Common.css#iPhone_compatibility
[17:36:42] *brion 	clings to his iphone
[17:37:18] <Splarka>	he's been kicked around from Talk:Main_Page to WP:VP/T, to that page
[17:38:13] <Splarka>	but is the device's own fault.. "Mommy, I'm a big browser now, I don't need to use media='sippycup'" "Okay dear, I'll serve you a full page" "Arrr, too big mommy, cut it up in portions for me first"
[17:38:21] <brion>	let's stick it in bugzilla to track it. i'll test it and post screenshots
[17:39:03] <Splarka>	do you get that problem he describes?
[17:39:16] <brion>	sounds vaguely familiar. will have to take a look in more detail
[18:05:02] <kraut>	Splarka: that's perfect, thanks a lot
[18:09:42] <RoanKattouw>	faceface_: I guess it would be possible to implement somehow, but you could probably get away with doing one edit at a time and go back and rollback stuff if something fails
[18:09:56] <RoanKattouw>	The time between the edit and the rollback will probably be negligible
[18:10:36] <RoanKattouw>	But it could spam histories and RC, so you don't wanna do that for things that fail often
[18:12:11] <Splarka>	hmm, what about a self-bot rollback?
[18:12:30] <Splarka>	that is, allow people to roll themselves back with &bot=1 to at least not spam recent changes
[18:13:58] <RoanKattouw>	brion-away: Can I get your red/green light on bug 13209? In short, the question is whether it's acceptable to allow a client to pull 50 diffs at once (or even 500 if they have the apihighlimits right)
[18:14:15] *brion 	looks
[18:15:49] <brion>	well considering they can already do the queries one GET at a time...
[18:16:17] <brion>		private function extractRowInfo($row) <- looks bogus
[18:17:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add Revision Diff functionality to API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13209  (10brion)
[18:18:28] *Splarka 	stabs prefs.js a few more times
[18:30:00] *Splarka 	gets it to behave, comments in bugzil
[18:32:28] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Better vCard-Support - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16653 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (dasch_87)
[18:49:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Possibility to link to particular section of [[Special: Preferences]] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16013  (10herd)
[18:49:38] <Splarka>	whew
[18:51:26] <kraut>	is there any good way, to custumize the left toolbar?
[18:51:31] <Splarka>	!sidebar
[18:51:31] --mwbot--	To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar>.
[18:51:54] <kraut>	thanks!
[18:52:05] *Splarka 	pokles Tim to pokle Angela to pokle people to testwiki:Special:Preferences to test the slightly-more-hacky prefs.js
[18:55:45] <Nikerabbit>	hi Splarka-da
[18:56:28] <Splarka>	rar, you already greeted me twice, whatcha want ^_^
[18:56:36] *Splarka 	throws javascript at Nike
[18:57:45] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: foood!
[18:58:02] *Splarka 	offers fresh baked cookies and carrot sticks
[18:58:20] *^demon 	has a cookie
[18:58:28] <Splarka>	persistent?
[18:58:49] <^demon>	Depends. Are you going to continue to make cookies?
[18:59:52] <Splarka>	The user Splarka wants to feed you a cookie. Type: Chocolate Chip oatmeal. Content: Chocolate chips and oatmeal. Host: Your stomach. Path: /straight/to/your/thighs! Expires: 6 months at the gym
[19:00:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add Revision Diff functionality to API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13209  (10roan.kattouw)
[19:00:16] <RoanKattouw>	brion: Please see my comment at bug 13209
[19:06:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add Revision Diff functionality to API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13209  (10brion)
[19:11:02] <Splarka>	it'd be really handy to be able to get just the size of the diff, like the number of lines affected, or the byte size
[19:11:23] <Splarka>	MZMcBride knows of what I speak
[19:11:28] <Splarka>	(all the crazy styles in the table can crash your browser, if the diff is too big)
[19:11:31] <RoanKattouw>	Splarka: Byte size is available
[19:11:45] <RoanKattouw>	(of the change that is, not of the diff)
[19:11:53] <Splarka>	not useful
[19:12:04] <Splarka>	it could be +0 bytes changing 10,000 lines
[19:12:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add Revision Diff functionality to API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13209  (10roan.kattouw)
[19:12:17] <RoanKattouw>	Yes
[19:12:45] <Splarka>	but if you're going to be re-adding a diff API feature anyway...
[19:12:46] <RoanKattouw>	To be clear: I'm not opposing diffs in the API, I just wanna get Brion's OK before I implement it
[19:12:55] <Splarka>	right
[19:13:22] <Splarka>	what will it be? an action= or list= or prop=?
[19:13:46] <Quakeile>	Just upgraded from 1.9.3 to 1.13.3 and I get this error message:
[19:13:50] <Quakeile>	Warning: Unknown: failed to open stream: Permission denied in Unknown on line 0
[19:13:50] <Quakeile>	Fatal error: Unknown: Failed opening required '/var/www/web5/web/wiki/index.php' (include_path='.:/usr/share/php:/usr/share/pear') in Unknown on line 0
[19:14:33] <Russianspi>	Hi All. Just wanted to say thanks for a painless upgrade today. I appreciate the security advisory, and the upgrade process was pretty darn easy.  Thanks for all of you who keep this project moving  and updated!
[19:15:52] <Splarka>	Roan: anyway, if you could make an optional prop parameter, with like text|length|lines default, that'd be awesome (just length maybe as in byte/character size of the diff html, since lines would require parsing it a bit)
[19:17:09] <Splarka>	as for intent, I think the anti-vandalism bots would like to use it rather than scraping &oldid&diff in the UI
[19:20:58] <buzz_>	whats the url for the mediawiki class reference ?
[19:21:44] <buzz_>	aah found it
[19:23:27] <Quakeile>	anybody? 'cause I'm clueless =(
[19:26:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Export ignoring input parameters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15667  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[19:28:01] <^demon>	Roan: Bug 1667 - maybe API bug?
[19:28:13] <^demon>	*15667
[19:28:23] <Russianspi>	@Quakeile Did you move your install directory without changing the LocalSettings.php to reflect the move?
[19:30:19] <Quakeile>	Russianspi: I'm sorry. I'm not sure what you mean? I followed the instructions to the letter and running update.php went fine. I've removed some obsolete extensions from Localsettings.php prior to the update, that's all
[19:31:08] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Add 'oga' and 'ogx' to $wgFileExtensions[] to complement 'ogv' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16651  +comment (10brion)
[19:31:24] <Russianspi>	But you're using the same directory on your system (/var/www/web5/web/wiki) that you used before the upgrade, right?
[19:31:32] <Quakeile>	yes
[19:32:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Inconsistent indices on pagelinks, imagelinks, templatelinks tables - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16645  +comment (10brion)
[19:32:31] <Russianspi>	OK.  Thought it was worth a shot. I just came to say "thanks for an easy upgrade" but I thought I'd try and help...
[19:33:29] <Quakeile>	I'm glad for your easy upgrade, I wish mine was too
[19:33:59] <Reedy>	Quakeile, did you reset all file permissions?
[19:34:24] <Quakeile>	Reedy:  hmm... 
[19:34:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add Revision Diff functionality to API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13209  (10matthew.britton)
[19:34:37] <Reedy>	As i got that when doing 1.13.2 to 1.13.3
[19:34:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Some logs don't italicise - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15640  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[19:34:45] <Reedy>	because i ran it as root, not the file owners
[19:35:01] <Reedy>	so chown -R and chgrp -R back to the right user/group sorted it
[19:35:26] <Quakeile>	ill check
[19:35:44] <Reedy>	if you've done a major upgrade like that, i suspect you've replaced most of the files
[19:36:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add Revision Diff functionality to API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13209  (10matthew.britton)
[19:37:21] <Quakeile>	yes I have, I changed the ownership of the filex in the tarball prior to the copy. BUt I ran update.php as anohter user, chown fixed the cake.Thanks a lot Reedy!
[19:38:21] <Reedy>	cool :)
[19:38:45] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Special: Random should ignore subpages in namespaces that allow them - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15827  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[19:38:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Have a Special:Randombook, or similar, that only returns top-level pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13051  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[19:39:31] <Splarka>	heh
[19:40:11] <kraut>	how do i delete a user account?
[19:40:21] <buzz_>	some anyone have an example of constructing an html <select> list with Xml::listDropDown
[19:40:21] <buzz_>	?
[19:40:32] <Reedy>	!deleteuser | kraut
[19:40:32] --mwbot--	kraut: Deleting users is very messy and not recommended, because this breaks referential integrity in the database (they appear in many different tables like users, edit histories, recentchanges, preferences, etc). A safe solution is to block the users, and possibly rename them with <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Renameuser>.  You can also try <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:User_Merge_and_Delete>
[19:40:39] <Splarka>	those sort of things.. "Special:Random that excludes subpages, includes redirects, bites me" should use extensions that simply get a random index and increment until it finds an appropriate title
[19:40:56] <kraut>	thanks
[19:42:03] <Splarka>	buzz_: http://google.com/codesearch?hl=en&num=100&sa=N&filter=0&q=+file:phase3/+package:svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk+xml::listdropdown  ?
[19:43:20] <gurch>	oh it uses email address not real name, that's why it's not pinging me.
[19:43:35] *gurch 	might change that email address :/
[19:43:51] <buzz_>	Splarka, thanks for that
[19:43:52] <Splarka>	heh
[19:44:08] <^demon>	Splarka: I've read so many "it would be nice if..." bugs in the past few days.....
[19:44:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) problem on Persian title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16638  (10brion)
[19:44:24] <^demon>	It would be nice if....people would contribute patches to their ideas :-D
[19:44:31] <gurch>	I always start my feature requests with "it would be nice if"
[19:44:43] <gurch>	because I don't want to sound like I'm "do this, now"
[19:45:05] <faceface_>	hi hiiiiiiii
[19:45:13] <brion>	heh
[19:45:19] <gurch>	^demon: that would require me to understand php and mediawiki :/
[19:45:32] <faceface_>	can I set a tag in the page that changes the edit page header?
[19:46:01] <Splarka>	faceface_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/MediaWiki:Editnotice is maybe what you want
[19:47:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Code Review buttons can be considered "confusing" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16639  +comment (10brion)
[19:47:16] *Reedy 	patches ^demon 
[19:48:09] <faceface_>	Splarka: got one thats documented?
[19:48:47] <faceface_>	wait... me finds the template
[19:48:58] <Splarka>	mmm, not that I know if
[19:49:05] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Editnotice  has some info
[19:49:10] <faceface_>	ty
[19:49:18] <Splarka>	MZMcBride should document it
[19:49:28] <gurch>	this channel is logged, isn't it?
[19:49:32] <faceface_>	Splarka: I was actually looking at the individual notices
[19:49:33] <Splarka>	topic
[19:49:37] <faceface_>	I only just worked it out
[19:49:41] <Splarka>	k
[19:49:46] <buzz_>	Splarka, i still cant work out how the list is contructed for that call. damn the mediawiki api documentation :)
[19:49:49] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) problem on Persian title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16638  +comment (10brion)
[19:49:55] <Splarka>	buzz: or lack of
[19:50:02] <buzz_>	yes
[19:50:09] <faceface_>	buzz_: perl person?
[19:50:21] <faceface_>	I'm finding MediaWiki::API docs quite usefull
[19:50:22] <buzz_>	i mean.. its fine it telling me "$list 	Mixed: Correctly formatted text to be used to generate the options "
[19:50:23] <faceface_>	buzz_: hey
[19:50:31] <faceface_>	you wrote that right?
[19:50:31] <buzz_>	faceface_, oh yeh.. i made that
[19:50:35] <faceface_>	:D
[19:50:42] *^demon 	feels patched
[19:50:42] <buzz_>	my documentation is ok? im amazed :D
[19:50:48] <buzz_>	my code is buggy though hehe
[19:50:58] <faceface_>	buzz_: can you implement transaction rollback ?
[19:51:00] <buzz_>	what does "$list 	Mixed: Correctly formatted text to be used to generate the options " really mean.. how about an example!
[19:51:31] *Reedy 	adds features to ^demon
[19:51:33] <buzz_>	faceface_, certainly that could be something done if i build a higher level module on top which was my plan
[19:51:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Code Review buttons can be considered "confusing" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16639  (10innocentkiller)
[19:51:43] <faceface_>	buzz_: its doing OK so far... the exact relation between method calls and API docs is a little fuzzy...
[19:51:46] <kraut>	just one little question, how do i completly disable, that user without login could modify or create pages?
[19:51:51] <faceface_>	but actually I think the API docs are great
[19:52:03] <buzz_>	faceface_, i wanted a page object model so you can do $page=new page(something). $page->move, $page->text etc
[19:52:04] <Reedy>	!anonymousediting | kraut 
[19:52:04] --mwbot--	kraut: I don't know anything about "anonymousediting".
[19:52:08] <Reedy>	damn
[19:52:11] <Reedy>	!anonedit
[19:52:11] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "anonedit".
[19:52:14] <Reedy>	:(
[19:52:18] <faceface_>	relation between mehtods and queries I should say
[19:52:30] <buzz_>	the the mediawiki::api docs are much better than the mediawiki class api docs
[19:52:38] <buzz_>	i mean the api.php docs
[19:52:40] <faceface_>	yes
[19:52:43] <kraut>	Reedy: is that only possible by an extension?
[19:52:58] <Reedy>	nope
[19:53:00] <Reedy>	LocalSettings.php
[19:53:01] *^demon 	puts bug 13750 in a place in the room where Brion will notice it. Not so obvious as to trip over it, but where it will keep catching the corner of his eye and perhaps gain a bit of attention.
[19:53:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Lift restriction on unregistered page creation in project space - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16642   +shell; +comment (10brion)
[19:53:29] <faceface_>	buzz_: also, the fact that the revisions for a sinlge page are wrapped up in a hash indexed by page id... 
[19:53:35] <faceface_>	its a bit painfull
[19:53:50] <Reedy>	!preventingaccess | kraut
[19:53:50] --mwbot--	kraut: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access
[19:53:52] <faceface_>	$narPageInfo = $narPageInfo->{'query'}{'pages'};
[19:53:54] <Reedy>	better
[19:53:57] <faceface_>	my $narPageId = (keys %$narPageInfo)[0];
[19:54:02] <faceface_>	$narPageInfo = $narPageInfo->{ $narPageId };
[19:54:04] <kraut>	Reedy: thanks!
[19:54:15] <faceface_>	buzz_: you see that?
[19:54:22] <faceface_>	three lines just to get the data
[19:54:49] <faceface_>	I see the problem though...
[19:54:56] <kraut>	Reedy: is that all i need?
[19:54:56] <kraut>	# Anonymous users can't create pages
[19:54:56] <kraut>	$wgGroupPermissions['*']['createpage'] = false;
[19:55:05] <kraut>	also editing is included?
[19:55:47] <^demon>	You'd need to add $wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit'] = false; too
[19:55:50] <buzz_>	faceface_, yeh its not great for that. with a higher level api on top it should be easier
[19:56:06] <faceface_>	yup
[19:56:10] <faceface_>	its very nice though!
[19:56:51] <buzz_>	appreciated. well it was written originally for quite selfish reasons. because we were using another perl module, but it broke with every mediawiki update (it screen scraped)
[19:57:05] <faceface_>	yeah
[19:57:06] <buzz_>	so i thought id hack something together, which turned into that module
[19:57:11] <faceface_>	minter
[19:57:44] <buzz_>	in the time ive spent fighting with this mediawiki call. i could have just written" <select>" etc manually.. 
[19:57:47] <buzz_>	gnnn!
[19:57:56] <buzz_>	i give in
[19:57:57] <kraut>	Reedy: i think i got it, createpage and edit must be restricted
[19:58:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Pages briefly show multilingual text while loading - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16631  +comment (10brion)
[19:59:11] <AaronSchulz>	brion: https://wikitech.leuksman.com/view/Schema_changes#rc_user_text_Index :)
[19:59:27] <wikibugs>	14(WFM)  Version mismatch between Javascript and PHP code for the Collection extension on fr .wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16628  +comment (10brion)
[19:59:49] <mdale>	is there no json output for wikimedia commons search?  ( the normal api appears to be disabled )
[20:00:25] <^demon>	mdale: Why would the api be disabled?
[20:00:59] <mdale>	I have no idea .. but: http://tinyurl.com/6aya6u
[20:01:28] <mdale>	I can ask brion (since he is sitting next to me ;)
[20:02:22] <^demon>	Seeing as I don't have him next to me, I suppose you'll have to ask.
[20:02:22] <faceface_>	Splarka: I don't get it ... I created this as a test... http://biodatabase.org/index.php/MediaWiki:Editnotice-0-CoGenT%2B%2B:NAR
[20:02:43] <faceface_>	then I goes here to find it .. http://biodatabase.org/index.php/CoGenT%2B%2B/NAR
[20:02:49] <Splarka>	it is very new
[20:02:52] <faceface_>	and there it isn't
[20:02:53] <faceface_>	oh
[20:02:58] <buzz_>	faceface_, there is another bot called perlwikipedia that has some helper functions. it partially uses my module also
[20:03:03] <buzz_>	faceface_, might be easier for some stuff
[20:03:10] <faceface_>	ty
[20:03:15] <Splarka>	try http://biodatabase.org/index.php/MediaWiki:Editnotice-0 with content "main namespace"
[20:03:21] <ialex>	faceface_: MediaWiki:Editnotice stuff requires 1.14 iirc
[20:03:33] <ST47>	O.o
[20:03:41] <faceface_>	is is 13
[20:04:15] <brion>	mdale: try reducing the variables -- do a straight api text search and confirm that's ok
[20:04:17] <Splarka>	Editnotice might be 1.14+
[20:04:18] <brion>	then try the generators again
[20:04:20] <mdale>	oky
[20:04:46] <AaronSchulz>	brion: any change of running that?
[20:04:47] *Splarka 	got sniped by ialex
[20:04:49] <^demon>	brion: lol @ adding your name as cc to a bug :p
[20:04:53] <faceface_>	its not important... its just I had text in the page saying <!-- Dear person, don't do this, thanks --> and I thought there should be a better way
[20:04:53] <^demon>	And not doing anything else.
[20:05:08] <faceface_>	YES Splarka I ALREADY KNOW THAT MAN!
[20:05:11] <faceface_>	;-)
[20:05:13] <brion>	^demon: ?
[20:05:24] <Splarka>	damn
[20:05:31] <faceface_>	your too slow
[20:05:35] <Splarka>	mdale: that came up before recently, but I forgot the resolution
[20:05:38] <faceface_>	thanks for the advice though
[20:05:44] <Splarka>	was lagging loading stuff
[20:05:45] <mdale>	hmm:http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=search&srsearch=meaning
[20:05:56] <^demon>	brion: bug 13750.
[20:06:03] <guillom>	brion, re: bug 16628 (Version mismatch between Javascript and PHP code for the Collection extension on fr.wikibooks); well, it still doesn't work for me; what additional data would you need?
[20:06:07] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED)  Rion-Antirion Bridge in Hebrew language - the official bridge site link, at the end of the page, in English, is not working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16625  +comment (10brion)
[20:06:30] <brion>	^demon: what's funny about CCing myself on a bug?
[20:06:42] <buzz_>	I have text on some pages saying "DO NOT EDIT BETWEEN AUTO COMMENTS". and then "<!-- BEGIN AUTO" and people edit in between
[20:06:45] <brion>	guillom: browser?
[20:06:46] <buzz_>	noone reads
[20:06:46] <buzz_>	:)
[20:06:55] <guillom>	brion, here or on the bug ?
[20:07:00] <brion>	either :D
[20:07:07] <^demon>	brion: Because I asked for input and got a CC :D
[20:07:07] <guillom>	Firefox 3.0.3
[20:07:18] <brion>	hmmm, i'm firefox 3.0.3 :(
[20:07:40] <^demon>	Back shortly folks.
[20:07:55] <kraut>	!sidebar
[20:07:55] --mwbot--	To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar>.
[20:07:55] <AaronSchulz>	nobody wants to finish the rc user_text index? :(
[20:11:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) MIME type detection of "application/x-php" gives false positives on any file with "<?" in it - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16583  +comment (10brion)
[20:12:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Main Wikipedia site is unreadable after final rendering on Treo 650 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2090  (10brion)
[20:13:11] <wikibugs>	03(CLOSED) problem on Persian title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16638  +comment (10amirali.b)
[20:14:39] <Reedy>	RoanKattouw, list=backlinks, if i dont specify a namespace, it'll do all wont it?
[20:15:46] <Reedy>	*return all
[20:16:46] <Russianspi>	\quit
[20:19:38] <piksi>	is there any news of when the devs think it's time to wrap the current tree into 1.14? :-)
[20:19:48] <Reedy>	Its done quarterly!
[20:19:55] <Reedy>	when was the last one done
[20:20:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Version mismatch between Javascript and PHP code for the Collection extension on fr .wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16628  (10guillom.pom)
[20:21:05] <ialex>	Reedy: 1.13 was released in August ;)
[20:21:19] <Reedy>	ah, makes sense then ;)
[20:21:19] <brion-lunch>	piksi: tim'll be doing an RC soon
[20:21:28] <piksi>	awesome :-)
[20:21:29] <Reedy>	new years present? :P
[20:21:37] <ialex>	:)
[20:22:44] <guillom>	brion-lunch, it seems it was a cache issue ; bon appetit
[20:35:21] <RoanKattouw>	Splarka: Diff will be an rvprop I think
[20:35:36] <Quakeile>	is it possible to link pictures to an article?
[20:36:10] <Splarka>	!imagelink
[20:36:10] --mwbot--	In MW1.14+: you can use the new 'link' parameter [[Image:Foo.png|link=Bar]] | Before that, image linking was intentionally not supported in MediaWiki, so access to the image's description page was always available. If you need image links, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Linked_images> for methods and information.
[20:36:11] <RoanKattouw>	^demon|away: bug 15667 is too vague, can't comment
[20:37:06] <^demon|away>	RoanKattouw: Yeah, trying to get more info from him....just said it *might* be an API bug :)
[20:38:01] <RoanKattouw>	buzz_: Do you know about the docs at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API ?
[20:39:57] <buzz_>	RoanKattouw, yup
[20:40:17] <buzz_>	RoanKattouw, very good.. unlike the mediawiki class docs/api which give me brainache :)
[20:40:20] <RoanKattouw>	Reedy: Yes, if blnamespace is omitted you'll get all backlinks
[20:40:30] <Reedy>	yeah, cheers :)
[20:40:44] <Reedy>	make code reuse a lot easier for awb :)
[20:40:46] <RoanKattouw>	brion, mdale: The API search bug is actually not an API bug but a bug in the new search backend. It intermittently returns null
[20:41:02] <buzz_>	RoanKattouw, i never have a complaint about your docs. only the programmer ones when writing special pages etc
[20:41:02] <buzz_>	:)
[20:41:03] <RoanKattouw>	(which shows up as no results in the UI)
[20:41:05] <kraut>	is the toolbar to edit pages part of a skin or do i need to install an extension for that?
[20:41:58] <RoanKattouw>	buzz_: No problem. Just saying that the docs at MW.org are the most extensive one, api.php and internal comments are quite summary
[20:42:23] <kraut>	!toolbar
[20:42:23] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "toolbar".
[20:42:27] <buzz_>	RoanKattouw, yup thanks. you did a good job :D
[20:42:45] <RoanKattouw>	AaronSchulz: Is propagating the rc_user_text index *finally* gonna happen then?
[20:42:49] <Splarka>	kraut: the bot isn't good for randomly searching for help
[20:43:01] <RoanKattouw>	@search toolbar
[20:43:01] --mwbot--	Results: []
[20:43:03] <Splarka>	http://tools.wikimedia.de/~amidaniel/botbrain.html   everything it knows is right there
[20:43:04] <RoanKattouw>	...
[20:43:18] <Splarka>	it is just for lazy-ass helpers to help with
[20:43:39] <Splarka>	kraut: do you mean the edit toolbar? 
[20:43:42] <kraut>	hmm, don't know where to search for infos
[20:43:45] <kraut>	Splarka: yep
[20:43:48] <kraut>	i think so
[20:44:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Main Wikipedia site is unreadable after final rendering on Treo 650 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2090  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[20:44:46] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Custom_edit_buttons
[20:44:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Inconsistent indices on pagelinks, imagelinks, templatelinks tables - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16645  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[20:45:47] <kraut>	Splarka: thanks
[20:47:23] <kraut>	Splarka: don't want to customize it, i don't have any
[20:47:33] <Quakeile>	aha Splarka, in next version it will be possible to link images then =)
[20:47:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Code Review buttons can be considered "confusing" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16639  +comment (10stwalkerster)
[20:47:39] <Splarka>	oh, kraut enable it in preferences?
[20:47:51] <kraut>	Splarka: where?
[20:47:53] <Splarka>	Quakeile: well, there are many ways to do it hackishly
[20:48:14] <Splarka>	kraut: [[Special:Preferences]] [editing] 
[20:48:28] <Splarka>	[x] Show edit toolbar (JavaScript)
[20:48:38] <Splarka>	if it is checked, check your javascript error console 
[20:49:37] <kraut>	the option is activated
[20:49:40] <kraut>	ok
[20:52:07] <kraut>	Splarka: could it be an skin issue?
[20:52:51] <kraut>	it's a skin issue
[20:52:52] <kraut>	GAH
[20:52:57] <Olipro>	O RLY
[20:53:06] <Splarka>	if you're messing with your skin, yes, heh
[20:53:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add Revision Diff functionality to API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13209  (10roan.kattouw)
[20:53:54] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) iPhone compatibility CSS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16654 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (dudemanfellabra)
[20:58:17] <Splarka>	brion ^  per "<brion> let's stick it in bugzilla to track it. i'll test it and post screenshots"
[20:58:32] <kraut>	fratman skin doesn't support a toolbar as it seems :/
[20:58:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Inconsistent indices on pagelinks, imagelinks, templatelinks tables - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16645  +comment (10b-jorsch)
[21:02:50] <jurtti1>	Hi ya all. I've got a problem with configuring/installing wiki on ssh server. The PHP (which is 4.3.something btw and thats why I tried older version) seems to be in "safe-mode". After filling the form about db etc. the config index.php says that LocalSettings cannot be found from the right line in index.php and LocalSettings.php couldn't be created.
[21:04:26] <jurtti1>	Below that I get the code printed for LocalSettings.php, and when I try to create it by hand and replace it to root nothing seems to work eigher. The root folder doesn't load in browser of anything.
[21:05:34] <jurtti1>	Of course I first thought that this might be because of the old unsupported PHP and the so called safe-mode, that might refer to uni server policy on how programs shouldn't write to server by themselves.
[21:05:58] <Duesentrieb>	!safemode
[21:05:58] --mwbot--	safe_mode is an ill-concieved, broken-by-design setting in PHP that is supposed to make broken scripts safe. It was deprecated in PHP5 and removed in PHP6. MediaWiki can run with safe_mode enabled, but many of the advanced features will not work or need additional configuration (image thumbnailing using ImageMagick, for example). See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Safe_mode for more information.
[21:06:00] <jurtti1>	But is it? Does someone know how it should be done or how could I proceed with this
[21:06:25] <Duesentrieb>	mediawiki should work in safe mode, but not fully.
[21:06:36] <Duesentrieb>	it depends on how strict the restroctions are.
[21:06:46] <Duesentrieb>	also, find out if you perhaps have php5 available as an option
[21:06:56] <Duesentrieb>	in many places, php5 is there, but php4 is the default.
[21:07:14] <Duesentrieb>	as a side note: do not install into the document root.
[21:07:19] <Duesentrieb>	install into a subdirectory.
[21:07:52] <jurtti1>	Duesentrieb:  yep. that's what I did.
[21:09:12] <Duesentrieb>	so what do you mean by "create it by hand and replace it to root"
[21:10:39] <jurtti1>	the script prints to browser on config that i can copy-paste the text meant to be in LocalSettings.php to the forthcoming file by simply creating it by my self
[21:12:30] <jurtti1>	and i tried to make the whole mediawiki folder with subfolders rights fully accessable and open, but it seems that it didn't help eighter.
[21:16:22] <jurtti1>	so what actually happens or should be created during the configuration? the LocalSets should go to the mediawiki folder but what else?
[21:20:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Main Wikipedia site is unreadable after final rendering on Treo 650 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2090  +comment (10roger.stringer)
[21:26:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Main Wikipedia site is unreadable after final rendering on Treo 650 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2090  (10brion)
[21:32:06] <faceface_>	OK, here is a strange one...
[21:32:13] <faceface_>	can I turn off section links within a div?
[21:32:39] <faceface_>	I have some data that I am licenced to use, but not edit. I use that data in a page that is editable... 
[21:32:47] <faceface_>	strange I know...
[21:33:09] <faceface_>	perhaps if I just protect the page containing the included data..
[21:33:11] <Splarka>	convert them to <h#> tags
[21:33:18] <faceface_>	wuts that?
[21:33:32] <sprax_>	Is there a way I can pass an array to a parser hook or does it have to be a pipe separated list of individual parameters?
[21:34:44] <Splarka>	faceface_: 
[21:34:44] <Splarka>	=section= to <h1>section</h1>
[21:34:50] <Splarka>	==section== to <h2>section</h2>
[21:34:52] <Splarka>	etc
[21:34:58] <faceface_>	OIC
[21:35:06] <gurch>	faceface_: you realise people can still edit the whole page?
[21:35:17] <Splarka>	those don't get edit section links like wiki sections
[21:35:36] <faceface_>	gurch: yeah, what happens is that the page of 'no edit' text is transcluded into the page
[21:35:42] <gurch>	oh, right
[21:36:00] <faceface_>	and I put a comment saying 'hey! don't edit here man!' in the text
[21:36:16] <gurch>	if you put __NOEDITSECTION__ on a template does that hide the section links on transclusions too?
[21:36:21] <gurch>	or is mediawiki not that clever
[21:36:23] <faceface_>	yes
[21:36:58] <faceface_>	the __NOEDITSECTION__ is part of what gets transcluded in, and they all fall off
[21:36:58] <faceface_>	http://biodatabase.org/index.php/Ciliate_IES-MDS_database
[21:38:44] <gurch>	ah
[21:39:24] <faceface_>	there it is gone... http://biodatabase.org/index.php/Ciliate_IES-MDS_database
[21:39:54] <faceface_>	kind of messy now I look at it ;-)
[21:40:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Main Wikipedia site is unreadable after final rendering on Treo 650 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2090  (10roger.stringer)
[21:41:12] <faceface_>	protecting the transcluded part doesn't alter the behaviour
[21:43:18] <Splarka>	faceface_: any sections that are <h#>~</h#> instead of ==~== should lack an edit button, assuming you're using the new preprocessor of course
[21:43:48] <faceface_>	I think I'm using the new one
[21:43:54] <faceface_>	I just hate to mix wiki and html
[21:44:08] <faceface_>	but your right, it'll be clearer for the average user I guess
[21:44:09] <gurch>	faceface_: well that's unavoidable for a lot of stuff anyway
[21:44:18] <faceface_>	yeah
[21:44:37] *faceface_ 	ponders
[21:44:43] <faceface_>	I wonder if the'll sue ;-)
[21:44:53] *faceface_ 	infinges
[21:45:05] <faceface_>	also it means changing my code...
[21:45:31] <faceface_>	Splarka: will TOC still work?
[21:45:33] *faceface_ 	tries
[21:45:44] <Splarka>	yes
[21:45:50] <Splarka>	TimStarling: automated T-# transcluded section edit links are nice and all, but would it be feasable to have them not show if the user doesn't have permission to edit the target page? (and maybe conversly, show if the user does have permission to edit the target page but not the page they're viewing, where the others are removed)
[21:46:08] <faceface_>	yes
[21:46:20] <Splarka>	or, in the style of &redlink=1, maybe an extra URI parameter to redirect to view: &transsection=1, or such
[21:46:27] <Splarka>	(that would be happier with cache)
[21:46:45] <faceface_>	hmm... well they are in a div
[21:46:49] <faceface_>	so we could hack the style
[21:47:12] <faceface_>	but looking at that page there are a few hedings that are informational only
[21:48:05] <faceface_>	Also... I get the feeling that the user expectes only to be able to edit the section on which he clicks... not all higher level sections immediately below too...
[21:48:32] <faceface_>	i.e. <h3>~</h3> ... <h3>~</h3> ... <h1>~</h1> ...
[21:48:48] <faceface_>	clicking the second 'edit' in that page gives you 6 .'s
[21:48:57] <faceface_>	you see what I mean?
[21:49:26] <Splarka>	that's too grandfathered in to change
[21:49:27] <faceface_>	I'll granfather your grandfather!
[21:51:11] <Merlissimo>	is there already a bug reported that ip edits in namesspaces with review disabled causes unreviewed marks on watchlist?
[21:51:48] *Splarka 	fails to parse that sentence, pings AaronSchulz
[21:52:05] <Brutha>	what is the best way to get a Google Subscribed link button ( http://www.google.com/coop/subscribedlinks/ ) for a mediawiki project?
[21:52:31] <faceface_>	Brutha: using an extension
[21:53:07] <faceface_>	that does sound cool
[21:53:32] <faceface_>	Brutha: not seen an extension exactly for that, but there are google extensions, so perhaps you can hack something
[21:54:02] <Merlissimo>	on my watchlist on dewikik ip-edits are marked with an red symbol although flagged versions are disabled in WP-Namespace
[21:54:25] <faceface_>	Brutha: is there a demo somewhere?
[21:54:54] <Brutha>	http://www.google.com/coop/subscribedlinks/ describes a bit how it works but I haven't seen a better describtion
[21:55:14] <Splarka>	hmmmmmm, the software could redirecr to view if attempting to edit with "&section=T-#" on page you don't have permission, without extra URI parameters, I guess
[21:55:16] <faceface_>	just looking for results from one that is running
[21:55:50] <faceface_>	Brutha: it looks like you just need to put that HTML in an extension, and drop it in your page.
[21:56:03] <faceface_>	I rewrote teh google search extension, its very easy
[21:56:32] <faceface_>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Google_extensions
[21:56:38] <ialex>	AaronSchulz: in r44634, why did you rename SvgHandler::getLongDesc() to SvgHandler::getLongDescscription()?
[21:56:57] <faceface_>	Brutha: here is my code... note the lameity! http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:Google
[21:57:00] <AaronSchulz>	there is no overloading
[21:57:24] <AaronSchulz>	the old one just calls the new one anyway
[21:57:37] <ialex>	AaronSchulz: that function won't be called anymore
[21:57:42] <faceface_>	Get this into the MW SVN?
[21:58:31] <Brutha>	thx
[21:58:36] <faceface_>	nb
[22:00:57] <Splarka>	hmm, all that would be needed is...
[22:01:22] <ialex>	AaronSchulz: before r44634: "SVG file, nominally 617 × 316 pixels, file size: 6 KB", after "617 × 316 pixel, file size: 6 KB, MIME type: image/svg+xml"
[22:02:14] <CIA-8>	03aaron * r44635 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/LocalFile.php: use ImagePage, break line
[22:04:04] <Splarka>	if ( $wgRequest->getBool( 'redlink' ) || preg_match(/^T\-/, $section )) {   (or whatever the hell the PHP version of .test() is, eh)
[22:05:02] <ialex>	AaronSchulz: calling self::getLongDescription() from MediaHandler::getLongDesc() will call MediaHandler::getLongDescription() even if you are in SvgHandler
[22:07:19] <ialex>	Splarka: preg_match( '/^T\-/', $section )
[22:08:00] <Splarka>	ialex: so would that do what I think it do?
[22:08:33] <Splarka>	treat section=T- the same as redlink=1 for the purposes of not showing view source if user has no permission to edit the parent of a transcluded section?
[22:08:44] <ialex>	Splarka: yes
[22:09:44] <Splarka>	do you think that is a good idea? clicking a red link is clasically (to anyone who has ever edited) an 'edit this', but I guess many people might click them that have never edited (hence justification of redlink=1), however a T- section is explicitly an 'edit' link
[22:13:02] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Create Scandinavian Planet Wikimedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16511  +comment (10rhalsell)
[22:22:34] <CIA-8>	03aaron * r44636 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (filerepo/File.php media/Generic.php media/SVG.php): Add getGeneralShortDesc() and the like to avoid E_STRICT instead
[22:22:35] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Set $wgBlockAllowsUTEdit = true for Meta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16621  +comment (10rhalsell)
[22:22:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create Scandinavian Planet Wikimedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16511  +comment (10cbrown1023)
[22:27:03] <CIA-8>	03raymond * r44637 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Add a descriptive message for rows/cols of Special:Preferences#Editing
[22:36:35] *werdnum 	returns, vertical, conscious and potentially rational.
[22:40:06] <werdnum>	brion: http://www.lifehacker.com.au/tips/2008/12/16/wikipedia_officially_launches_mobile_version-2.html <-- didn't we launch that ages ago?
[22:40:57] <gurch>	werdnum: yeah but did you *officially* launch it?
[22:41:16] <gurch>	werdnum: was there a cocktail party with guest speakers
[22:45:27] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Install RandomRootPage on Wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16655 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (mikelifeguard)
[22:45:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Have a Special:Randombook, or similar, that only returns top-level pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13051  (10mikelifeguard)
[22:45:43] <brion>	yeah that's kinda old :D
[22:46:39] <faceface_>	Splarka: don't make it red
[22:46:47] <faceface_>	grey would be better no?
[22:47:25] <Splarka>	what?
[22:47:31] <Splarka>	no, not talking about making it red
[22:47:38] <werdnum>	I apparently support child pornography.
[22:47:48] <faceface_>	werdnum: I knew it!
[22:47:48] <werdnum>	Amazing, I never knew.
[22:47:50] <Splarka>	werdnum: you and everyone under 18 with a cellphone
[22:48:09] <brion>	damn whippersnappers with your cell cameras
[22:48:13] <werdnum>	Splarka: no, apparently opposing mandatory internet filtering is "advocating child pornography"
[22:48:23] *werdnum 	slaps politicians roundly in the face.
[22:48:27] <faceface_>	I'm morrally outraged
[22:48:27] <Mathieu1>	Hi!
[22:48:33] <brion>	THINK OF THE CHILDREN
[22:48:45] <Splarka>	we are, that's the problem
[22:48:50] <Subfader>	a user reports that when he tries to edit a page the browser (any) starts a download of index.php. i told him it may be his PC. then he told me he tried on all machines in the flat which are connected by a router thingy. could that be the reason?
[22:49:20] <Splarka>	uncheck "[x] use external editor" in preferences
[22:49:30] <werdnum>	Subfader: check he hasn't enabled "use external editor" in his preferences?
[22:49:31] *|X| 	slaps Splarka 
[22:49:34] <Simetrical>	Does that preference exist for any purpose other than causing this problem?
[22:49:35] <faceface_>	bleah... its too cluttered http://biodatabase.org/index.php/ROSPath
[22:49:41] <werdnum>	We should seriously remove that preference.
[22:49:56] <Simetrical>	werdnum, does anyone use it?
[22:49:59] <Simetrical>	Does it do anything useful?
[22:50:11] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) cleanupTitles, cleanupImages fail on Wikimedia sites - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16656 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Maintenance scripts; (brion)
[22:50:15] <Simetrical>	Does it do anything that couldn't be replicated with some JS or whatever for the hardcore minority who actually care?
[22:50:19] <Splarka>	|X|: so choose a less stupid nickname
[22:50:22] <Subfader>	ahhh wtf :D
[22:50:29] <Splarka>	might as well nick yourself 'bluescreen' and hang out in ##windows
[22:50:48] <brion>	Simetrical: a gadget could do it, but you'd still end up with people turning on the gadget by mistake i suspect ;)
[22:50:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Set $wgBlockAllowsUTEdit = true for Meta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16621  (10mikelifeguard)
[22:51:03] <brion>	there was some suggestion to have it add a new "edit externally" tab instead of using the regular edit tab
[22:51:04] <Simetrical>	brion, so make them manually enter it in monobook.js or something.
[22:51:13] <Simetrical>	brion, hopefully only as an option.
[22:51:21] *AaronSchulz 	pokes brion about teh schema
[22:51:24] <brion>	well right, only if you click the damn thing on
[22:51:37] <brion>	AaronSchulz: wot
[22:52:01] <werdnum>	brion: we could add a big honking message, "Warning: Will break editing if you don't have an external tool for editing!"
[22:52:02] <Splarka>	some people still get it randomly without having apparently selected it, but prefs corruption is a constant phantom bug (it probably is a bug in prefs form submission?)
[22:52:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Set wikibugs to be able to join multiple channels - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10760  +comment (10brion)
[22:52:17] <Subfader>	hmh will remove that option if he reports that it's unticked.
[22:52:26] <Simetrical>	werdnum, UI design 101: nobody reads big messages.
[22:52:33] <Simetrical>	Or small messages.
[22:52:36] <Simetrical>	Or any messages at all.
[22:52:39] <Splarka>	heh
[22:52:42] <Simetrical>	They just click random stuff like untrained monkeys.
[22:52:46] <brion>	werdnum: people don't read
[22:52:49] <Splarka>	remember the bug on the main page, that it was always external?
[22:52:52] <Simetrical>	Or at least, that's what good UI should assume.
[22:52:55] <brion>	Splarka: they check it by mistake
[22:53:01] <Splarka>	because the raw action was getting cached... 
[22:53:13] <brion>	people sometimes get *different* "the page just downloads" errors which are related to bad caching of compressed page renderings
[22:53:16] <Splarka>	brion: I've seen people swear up and down that they were getting the wrong user's prefs, heh
[22:53:28] <ST47>	It's not always random, Simetrical, if you make one bigger and hot pink with a picture of a cupcake on it, I'm going for that button ;)
[22:53:47] <Splarka>	and then I once saw such an error myself, but that was a known bug, because the 'cached' external edit link was given to the other users who visited later
[22:53:53] <Splarka>	(and not related to prefs)
[22:54:24] <Simetrical>	ST47, people also read things like "Click here for a picture of dancing bears", just not things like "Clicking 'OK' will cause your computer's self-destruct sequence to trigger and level all buildings within seven miles of your present location".
[22:55:08] <ST47>	They just want to test to see if their computer is really capable of generating a powerful enough explosion
[22:55:17] <Mathieu1>	does any one know about imagemagick? I've been trying to install it but failed :( Any genius around?
[22:55:25] <werdnum>	Mathieu1: what OS?
[22:55:32] <ST47>	We could harness this as a weapon. Think of how much money the discoverer's estate would mkae
[22:55:34] <Mathieu1>	Unix
[22:55:40] <werdnum>	Mathieu1: what type of unix?
[22:56:34] <faceface_>	windows
[22:57:37] <Mathieu1>	Werdnum: Linux, with Red Hat
[22:57:53] <Simetrical>	Then the answer to "what OS?" is "Red Hat", for future reference.
[22:57:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Set $wgBlockAllowsUTEdit = true for Meta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16621  (10brion)
[22:58:17] <Mathieu1>	Werdnum: I've trying "yum register imagemagick" but no luck
[22:58:19] <Simetrical>	faceface, Windows has a POSIX-compliant subsystem!
[22:58:35] <Mathieu1>	Simetrical: thanks!
[22:58:53] <werdnum>	Mathieu1: what exactly is the problem when you type 'yum install imagemagick'?
[22:59:01] <Simetrical>	Mathieu1, my "man yum" doesn't have "register" anywhere in it.
[22:59:09] <Simetrical>	Try "yum install imagemagick".
[22:59:12] <werdnum>	Simetrical: you have a yum man?
[22:59:17] <Simetrical>	. . . ?
[22:59:22] <Simetrical>	Is that a slang term or something?
[22:59:32] *werdnum 	adds a 'my' to 'yum'
[22:59:37] <Mathieu1>	werdnum: sorry I meant install
[23:00:14] <Mathieu1>	Werdnum: No package imagemagick available
[23:00:43] <werdnum>	http://wiki.movabletype.org/Installation_of_ImageMagick
[23:01:24] <Simetrical>	Mathieu1, what version of RHEL?
[23:01:34] <werdnum>	Simetrical: ImageMagick
[23:01:38] <Mathieu1>	Werdnum: Thanks! you gave me http://www.imagemagick.org/script/binary-releases.php last time but couldn't figure out how to install
[23:01:56] <Simetrical>	Mathieu1, cat /etc/redhat-release
[23:02:05] <Simetrical>	werdnum, ?
[23:02:22] <werdnum>	Simetrical: has to be capitalised.
[23:03:07] <Mathieu1>	do you guys know what an RPM based system is?
[23:03:19] <Simetrical>	werdnum, yeah, that's what I'd say next.
[23:03:39] <Simetrical>	Mathieu1, does "yum install ImageMagick" work?
[23:05:27] <Mathieu1>	Simetrical: not yet, I'm doing the movabletype way. that seems to work so far
[23:06:54] <werdnum>	Simetrical: MovableType has a listing which suggests installing a bunch of dependencies first.
[23:07:25] <Simetrical>	Isn't that what package managers are supposed to do automatically?
[23:07:32] <Simetrical>	I'm pretty sure yum install ImageMagick worked for me.
[23:08:07] <RingtailedFox>	who needs help with rpm?
[23:08:12] *werdnum 	shrugs.
[23:08:39] *AaronSchulz 	pokes brion about teh schema again, rc_user_text
[23:09:07] <Mathieu1>	werdnum: do you realize that I spent 4 days looking for a way to install ImageMagick? I went back and forth with Sean_colombo and another one... and it only took me 3 minutes with the link you just gave me ?!?
[23:09:43] <werdnum>	Mathieu1: :)
[23:09:45] <Mathieu1>	why can't life be THAT easy?
[23:09:50] <brion>	AaronSchulz: can you drop me an email describing it w/ a reference and a description of what needs to be done?
[23:10:18] <AaronSchulz>	k
[23:10:29] <Simetrical>	Mathieu1, it is if you know enough.
[23:10:40] <Simetrical>	Then you hopefully graduate to problems that are hard for real.  :)
[23:12:13] <Mathieu1>	Simetrical: what about this? Error creating thumbnail: sh: /usr/bin/convert: No such file or directory
[23:12:45] <Simetrical>	Sounds like you need to create a directory for thumbnails.
[23:12:52] <Simetrical>	Have you read the page on mediawiki.org?
[23:12:56] <Simetrical>	!thumbnail
[23:12:56] --mwbot--	For information on configuring thumbnailing on MediaWiki, please refer to <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Image_Administration#Image_thumbnailing>.
[23:20:17] <kraut>	my i copy the help-pages into my wiki and place on the bottom a reference, where it come from?
[23:20:31] <werdnum>	brion: I've been trying to figure out how best to integrate Configure with our current SiteConfiguration system at WMF (I was going to write a patch against CommonSettings.php to save you the effort). There are a few sticking points: 1/ We usually export our settings before caches etc are set up, and I'm not sure if you want to move our entire wgConf system out to a hook in Setup.php; 2/ I can't put *just* the Configure stuff in a hook in Setup.php, b
[23:20:38] *werdnum 	writes a longer message.
[23:22:36] <kraut>	ah, public domain
[23:22:37] <kraut>	nice!
[23:25:02] <Mathieu1>	Simetrical: if /en is my subdomain and /w my wiki directory, where would /usr/bin/convert be placed? In /en or /w ?
[23:25:14] <Simetrical>	Mathieu1, in /usr/bin, where it is now.
[23:25:40] <RingtailedFox>	symlinks?
[23:25:41] <Mathieu1>	Simetrical: don't see /usr/bin, I thought I had to create it
[23:25:56] <Simetrical>	Mathieu1, /usr/bin exists on all Unix systems that are not outright pathological.
[23:26:04] <yksinaisyyteni>	his crappy web host is probably chrooting his ftp connection to his $HOME
[23:26:21] <Simetrical>	yksinaisyyteni, he installed imagemagick, so I'm assuming he's root here.
[23:26:37] <Mathieu1>	indeed i am
[23:26:56] <yksinaisyyteni>	are you sure he installed it?
[23:26:59] <Mathieu1>	there a /w/bin but not a /usr/bin :(
[23:27:03] <Simetrical>	yksinaisyyteni, it's giving errors, so presumably yes.
[23:27:10] <yksinaisyyteni>	< Mathieu1> Simetrical: what about this? Error creating thumbnail: sh: /usr/bin/convert: No such file or directory
[23:27:11] <Simetrical>	Mathieu1, /usr/bin is relative to filesystem root, not web root.
[23:27:22] <yksinaisyyteni>	i don't think that's convert giving that error, i think that's sh giving an error that convert doesn't exist
[23:27:23] <Simetrical>	Hmm.
[23:27:40] <Simetrical>	And then MediaWiki is outputting "Error creating thumbnail".
[23:27:43] <Simetrical>	Yeah, seems likely.
[23:27:44] <yksinaisyyteni>	yes
[23:27:51] <Simetrical>	Mathieu1, could you do "yum install ImageMagick", please?
[23:27:59] <Mathieu1>	my pleasure
[23:28:30] <Mathieu1>	oh no!
[23:28:30] <Mathieu1>	Parsing package install arguments
[23:28:30] <Mathieu1>	No package imagemagick available.
[23:28:30] <Mathieu1>	Nothing to do
[23:29:42] <RingtailedFox>	what about apt-get?
[23:29:44] <Simetrical>	Mathieu1, ImageMagick, not imagemagick.
[23:29:47] <Simetrical>	Case-sensitive.
[23:30:19] <yksinaisyyteni>	RingtailedFox: it's unlikely he has both yum *and* apt-get
[23:30:41] <Mathieu1>	better :) Package ImageMagick - 6.3.2.9-3.fc7.i386 is already installed.
[23:30:42] *RingtailedFox 	nods
[23:30:58] <Simetrical>	yksinaisyyteni, my old server did!
[23:31:02] <RingtailedFox>	mathieu1: type "which ImageMagick"
[23:31:05] <Reedy>	which imagemagick should tell you where its installed..
[23:31:06] <RingtailedFox>	that should tell you where it is
[23:31:07] <Simetrical>	It was RHEL but using APT for some God-forsaken reason.
[23:31:18] <yksinaisyyteni>	Simetrical: in the past there were some repos that used apt-rpm, but i understand they decided it sucked and stopped using it ;)
[23:31:23] <yksinaisyyteni>	Reedy: there's no 'imagemagick' command, afaik
[23:31:28] <Simetrical>	"convert"
[23:31:29] <Reedy>	true
[23:31:31] <Reedy>	lol
[23:31:33] <yksinaisyyteni>	Reedy: imagemagick commands are 'convert', 'display', etc
[23:31:36] <Simetrical>	"which convert"
[23:31:42] <yksinaisyyteni>	Mathieu1: you are running yum on the same machine the web server is running on, right?
[23:32:02] <Mathieu1>	yksinaisyyteni: yep
[23:32:34] <Mathieu1>	the "which ImageMagick" gives me:
[23:32:34] <Mathieu1>	/usr/bin/which: no ImageMagick in (/usr/kerberos/sbin:/usr/kerberos/bin:/usr/local/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/home/mathieuramage/bin)
[23:32:44] <Mathieu1>	oh! here goes my name :)
[23:32:50] <CIA-8>	03aaron * r44638 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (4 files): NS_IMAGE -> NS_FILE
[23:32:59] <RingtailedFox>	find -iname ImageMagick ?
[23:33:07] <yksinaisyyteni>	no, there's no file/program called imagemagick
[23:33:15] <yksinaisyyteni>	Mathieu1: "which convert" (without the quotes)
[23:33:33] <RingtailedFox>	or, maybe it is installed, but he does not have appropriate user privelages/access to locate it?
[23:33:43] <Mathieu1>	/usr/bin/convert
[23:33:57] <sprax_>	Is it possible to include SVG in an article and have it rendered or does it need to be an Image:?
[23:34:08] <yksinaisyyteni>	since this is fedora, it could be selinux getting in the way (although i would have expected a permissions error instead there)
[23:34:20] <werdnum>	sprax_: needs to be an image, at this stage
[23:34:21] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Central notice field names cannot contain national characters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16320  +comment (10tfinc)
[23:34:53] <Simetrical>	He said it's RHEL, not Fedora?
[23:35:02] <Mathieu1>	RingtailedFox: I use root privileges
[23:35:02] <sprax_>	werdnum thanks
[23:35:06] <RingtailedFox>	ok
[23:35:12] <RingtailedFox>	that's a non-issue, then
[23:35:35] <yksinaisyyteni>	his web server isn't running as root..
[23:35:39] <Simetrical>	Mathieu1, what does "getenforce" output?
[23:35:42] <yksinaisyyteni>	and it's the web server that can't find convert
[23:35:56] <werdnum>	yksinaisyyteni: he can't find it with 'which', either.
[23:36:19] <yksinaisyyteni>	werdnum: he can now
[23:36:20] <Simetrical>	werdnum,  <Mathieu1> /usr/bin/convert
[23:36:33] <Mathieu1>	Simetrical: is that a command?
[23:36:43] <Simetrical>	Mathieu1, "getenforce" is, yes.
[23:37:04] <Mathieu1>	Simetrical: bash: getenforce: command not found
[23:37:06] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Special: NoticeTemplate does not work if the content language is not English - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16321  +comment (10tfinc)
[23:37:16] <Simetrical>	No SELinux installed . . . ?
[23:37:24] <Simetrical>	Mathieu1, "cat /etc/*-release"
[23:37:47] *werdnum 	suggests some other commands.
[23:37:49] <CIA-8>	03brion * r44639 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES maintenance/FiveUpgrade.inc): (log message trimmed)
[23:37:49] <CIA-8>	* (bug 16656) cleanupTitles and friends should now work in load-balanced DB environments when $wgDBserver isn't set.
[23:37:49] <CIA-8>	Lots of cleanup scripts are based on the FiveUpgrade class created for the 1.5
[23:37:49] <CIA-8>	schema upgrade -- this provides a utility class designed around pulling data
[23:37:52] <CIA-8>	from a second, unbuffered connection, processing it, and stuffing it into a
[23:37:52] <Mathieu1>	Fedora release 7 (Moonshine)
[23:37:54] <CIA-8>	master connection.
[23:37:56] <CIA-8>	Originally, both connections were created by manually instantiating the Database
[23:37:57] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) cleanupTitles, cleanupImages fail on Wikimedia sites - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16656  +comment (10brion)
[23:38:27] <werdnum>	hooray!
[23:39:09] *Simetrical 	is pretty sure Fedora 7 is obsolete, but never mind 
[23:39:25] <Mathieu1>	Simetrical: hmmm
[23:41:29] <Mathieu1>	Simetrical: should I update to Fedora 8 (if there's one)?
[23:41:38] <Simetrical>	I think they just released Fedora 10.
[23:41:40] <Simetrical>	Or are about to.
[23:41:58] <Reedy>	tis out
[23:42:07] <yksinaisyyteni>	that won't fix the problem, though
[23:42:10] <yksinaisyyteni>	although it would be a good idea ;)
[23:42:11] <Reedy>	aye
[23:42:42] <Mathieu1>	Simetrical: what the hell? how can they keep me on Fedora 7 if the 10 has been released... godaddy sux
[23:42:46] <werdnum>	Mathieu1: ls -la /usr/bin/convert?
[23:42:54] <Simetrical>	Mathieu1, maybe you didn't ask to upgrade?
[23:43:03] <Simetrical>	werdnum, -a?
[23:43:09] *werdnum 	shrugs
[23:43:15] <werdnum>	I always use -a for no particular reason
[23:43:16] <Simetrical>	Mathieu1, the real question is why you're on Fedora and not RHEL or CentOS.
[23:43:20] <Simetrical>	werdnum, me too!
[23:43:22] <Mathieu1>	werdnum: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4900 Apr  5  2007 /usr/bin/convert
[23:43:32] <werdnum>	hmm, that looks okay
[23:43:38] <Simetrical>	But it's traditional to point out redundancies in people's shell commands.
[23:43:52] <Mathieu1>	Simetrical: I just ordered this new server about a month ago
[23:43:52] <Simetrical>	Like whining about using cat foo | bar instead of bar < foo.
[23:43:53] <yksinaisyyteni>	UUO-a
[23:43:58] <Simetrical>	Mathieu1, that's odd.
[23:44:15] <Simetrical>	It's not like Fedora 10 costs money.
[23:44:35] <werdnum>	Simetrical: UUOC :)
[23:44:37] <yksinaisyyteni>	Simetrical: but it does: admin cost to update their auto-install server, test it with their infrastructure and support it
[23:45:18] <Mathieu1>	Simetrical: and they kiss my butt and with there "oh Let us help you with anything you need". How about giving my something that's not obsolete, godaddy sux?
[23:45:29] <Simetrical>	Yeah, GoDaddy probably isn't a great webhost.
[23:45:44] <werdnum>	UUOProbably
[23:45:48] <Mathieu1>	Simetrical: I don't know about RHEL :(
[23:45:58] <Simetrical>	yksinaisyyteni, depends on whether this is managed hosting or just a dedicated server with "We'll help you with any software problems, for $200/hour".
[23:47:21] <Mathieu1>	Simetrical: they actuall call me and ask me if I need any help :)
[23:47:29] <Mathieu1>	Simetrical: once a week
[23:47:30] <Simetrical>	Sounds expensive.
[23:47:46] <Mathieu1>	no. $29/month
[23:47:55] <Simetrical>	For a VPS, I guess?
[23:47:59] <Simetrical>	Probably not very good specs.
[23:47:59] <Mathieu1>	yep
[23:48:16] <Mathieu1>	i know... looking forward to be sponsored by MWF
[23:48:31] <Mathieu1>	;-)
[23:48:40] <werdnum>	sponsored by WMF? :/
[23:50:01] <Splarka>	http://www.acronymfinder.com/MWF.html
[23:50:11] <stiv2k>	hello I am having an issue
[23:50:19] <stiv2k>	I had to change the path on my server where the wiki is located
[23:50:25] <stiv2k>	but it seems to have broken now
[23:50:36] <stiv2k>	because a bunch of components seem to still be looking at the old path
[23:51:24] <Mathieu1>	stiv2k: You're not using ImageMagick with Fedora 7 by any chance?
[23:51:35] <Mathieu1>	stiv2k: nevermind
[23:51:40] <CIA-8>	03aaron * r44640 10/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix bug where new image uploads would be reviewed but had "changes needing review" tag
[23:51:42] <stiv2k>	Mathieu1, the server is fedora 6
[23:52:41] <Simetrical>	Good grief.
[23:52:45] <Mathieu1>	stiv2k: Simetrical see? I'm not that obsolete with my fedora 7
[23:53:10] <stiv2k>	aha
[23:53:13] *Simetrical 	waits for someone to come in with an original 1991 build of Linux
[23:54:24] <stiv2k>	its all in LocalSettings.php
[23:54:30] <stiv2k>	fixed my own problem
[23:55:35] <Mathieu1>	stiv2k: you can go ahead and try mine now
[23:56:05] <stiv2k>	Mathieu1, heh, if it were up to me i would upgrade immediately to fedora 10 but apparently the server's OS is dictated by the hosting company or some shit
[23:56:06] <Mathieu1>	gosh! how desperate I am
[23:56:22] <stiv2k>	Mathieu1, sorry, im not really a mediawiki connessuier
[23:56:24] <Simetrical>	Fedora isn't a server OS to begin with.
[23:56:32] <stiv2k>	Simetrical, oh yeah, centOS
[23:56:41] <Simetrical>	Or RHEL.
[23:56:44] <Simetrical>	Or Ubuntu Server, whatever.
[23:56:59] <werdnum>	Mathieu1: Well, you know that /usr/bin/convert exists, right?
[23:57:24] <Mathieu1>	"connaisseur" -- comes from the verb "connaitre"
[23:57:52] <VartanSimonian>	Simetrical: I have a friend with 0.01
[23:57:53] <stiv2k>	Mathieu1, i was close :p
[23:57:58] <Mathieu1>	werdnum: yeah, I just need to locate it now..
[23:58:09] <Simetrical>	VartanSimonian, it's surely still available publicly somewhere?
[23:58:13] <VartanSimonian>	it is
[23:58:24] <VartanSimonian>	one sec, I saved the link somewhere
[23:58:36] <VartanSimonian>	aha - I believe it is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/Historic/