[00:00:51] 03(NEW) Commit Polish translation for Wap Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16680 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: WAP mobile gateway; (danny.leinad) [00:01:08] 03werdna * r44695 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (LogEventsList.php specials/SpecialIpblocklist.php): Fix broken and double escaping in r44657. [00:01:36] brion-codereview: 44657 fixed, anything else you want me to fix up? [00:02:41] thx! looking [00:06:11] 03brion * r44696 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (DefaultSettings.php User.php): [00:06:11] Reverting r44681 "Throw in quick hack $wgRateLimitsExcludedIPs so we don't have to do a live hack every time somebody runs an exciting event where they're going to register a lot of accounts." [00:06:11] r44592 (bug 7492) seems to cover this case with an extension to autopromote settings. Future on-wiki stuff still would be nice... [00:07:15] I thought https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16671 was going to be something very different when I read the summary [00:07:48] Wow, that's pretty sexy. [00:12:08] *werdnum brb [00:15:38] svn up time [00:17:10] <|X|> Yay [00:21:20] 03(mod) Rename the "Image" namespace to "File" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44 (10brion) [00:23:45] 03(mod) Subpages in MediaWiki namespace should be parsed in respective languages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16669 (10krixel) [00:24:16] Error in /home/wikipedia/common/php-1.5/extensions/CategoryWatch/CategoryWatch.php line 138: syntax error, unexpected ')' [00:24:18] grrr [00:25:08] 03brion * r44697 10/trunk/extensions/CategoryWatch/CategoryWatch.php: syntax bork [00:37:38] <^demon> brion-codereview: I saw your hack for rate limit skipping for IPs. What about what I did in r44592, adding Autopromote conditions to IPs/ranges? [00:37:46] <^demon> Could be given 'nolimits' rights via that. [00:38:13] ^demon: right, that hack does what my hack did so i removed my hack [00:38:30] <^demon> (I just came across your reversion now, answered my own question :) [00:38:49] brion-codereview: yay svn up? [00:39:19] Did we break anything? [00:40:26] let's hope not [00:40:38] aww [00:40:42] but breakage is fun. [00:40:58] Do you have time to go over Configure / AbuseFilter / anything now? [00:43:58] Although I guess you've had enough of reviewing stuff for one day.. [00:51:00] holy crap, somebody wants to rent me their houseboat. [00:51:42] Lower mainland? I'm looking for a place... heh [00:52:15] in San Francisco. [00:58:51] heh [00:59:57] $1k/month for the below decks of a houseboat in SOMA. [01:00:05] What if they want to, you know, go for a drive somewhere? :P [01:00:23] if this boat's a-rockin', don't come a-knockin' [01:00:56] You said that just to rock the boat. [01:01:43] *werdnum hides. [01:01:59] *werdnum waits for firefox to unfreeze. [01:02:20] firefox froze over? [01:02:26] :s [01:03:19] There's a nice place in Russian Hill on offer. [01:04:09] $1300 or thereabouts. [01:04:39] 03aaron * r44698 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/CodeRevisionView.php: Fix path search regression [01:04:48] brion: weeee [01:06:08] bahhh [01:11:55] man, being able to check out potential areas with Street View is the shit. [01:13:50] hi Krimpet [01:14:31] 'evening [01:14:49] how goeth it? [01:15:14] Pretty good, got some tests coming up [01:15:38] ah, I got my results for tests today. [01:16:47] *AaronSchulz finished watching Wuthering Heights [01:17:01] AaronSchulz: Did you do so willingly? [01:17:06] yep [01:17:17] <^demon> Interesting. If you specify an offset to MostRevisions higher than the cached number of entries, it tells you the page is disabled. [01:17:59] *werdnum calls AaronSchulz a weirdo. [01:18:39] Hmm, FF is pegging my CPU [01:19:00] 03danny_b * r44699 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialEmailuser.php: * footer separator fix per http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3676#section-4.3 [01:22:00] 14(WFM) Pages briefly show multilingual text while loading - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16631 (10brion) [01:24:53] using MW 1.13.2 close to a fresh install, I am wondering how can I utilize the Linking with images as described at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Images_and_other_uploaded_files#Link . is there a localsetting that needs to be set for this to function? I can't seem to duplicate what's at mediawiki.org [01:28:26] where should i be to give feedback on image uploading? #mediawiki-commons seems to be empty [01:33:02] maybe try #wikipedia-commons? [01:33:25] or #wikimedia-commons never remember the right one [01:34:51] Anyone here have experience with creating images as: [[Image:Pic.jpg|link=http://google.com/]], I'm trying to use this syntax in our installation and it will only link to the image page [01:35:55] 03aaron * r44700 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ImagePage.php: Add fragment to nav links to set location [01:36:34] brion: ahhh [01:37:01] much better :) [01:38:12] OverlordQ: thanks it's a ghost town there [01:39:24] 03(NEW) Commit summaries escaped - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16681 major; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CodeReview; (danny.b) [01:40:23] 14(DUP) Commit summaries escaped - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16681 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [01:40:26] 03(mod) UTF-8 in commit message confuses CodeReview - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16640 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [01:44:18] 03(mod) iPhone compatibility CSS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16654 (10brion) [01:44:53] 14(INVALID) iPhone compatibility CSS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16654 (10brion) [01:49:30] I want to add .pdf to my mediawiki uploads allowed files. I did that .. but how do i expose the file?? [01:49:47] {{file:somefile.jpg?}} <-- i am looking for the tag. [01:50:06] i tried "file" and that didnt work. [01:50:13] Same as any image? [01:50:18] [[File:SomeFile.jpg]] [01:50:21] Just like a link [01:53:49] I'm not sure "iPhone compatibility" is something we should be targeting... shouldn't Apple be fixing their browser, if it's broken? We should be aiming for standards compliance. [01:54:03] werdnum - its asking me to create a new page [01:54:23] @cognizance42: check out the Click extension [01:54:50] Krimpet: shh! It's Apple. [01:54:57] 03(NEW) Special:Contributions filtering - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16682 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (danny.b) [01:55:05] Apple can kiss it. ;p [01:55:27] werdnum - so it cant be "File:" [01:55:45] What do you mean? [01:56:55] The iPhone is a proprietary, locked-in platform... we shouldn't be bending over backwards for them, they should be doing the opposite. [01:59:29] @gbruin ok thanks! That looks helpful. :) [02:00:23] *werdnum giggles at Krimpet's imagery. [02:00:31] She wants apple to kiss it and bend over backwards for her. [02:01:18] werdnum, that's what they deserve for the three iPods that broke on me over the years. -_- [02:01:36] 03(VERIFIED) FlaggedRevs #mw-data-after-content overflows quickbar w/ standard classic skin - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16648 +comment (10marcin.cieslak) [02:01:39] And my brother's, and my aunt's... [02:03:49] Right outside of warranty, natch. [02:07:04] Krimpet: what do you think of the G1? [02:07:18] I'm pondering getting Google's hardware-unlocked dev model for my travels next year. [02:08:33] werdnum, kind of meh, I think [02:10:07] No A2DP, no Exchange support thus hindering its usefulness, no 3G, etc. [02:10:34] er, hindering its potential markey share* [02:10:37] market** [02:10:59] Actually, I think the lack of 3G is the biggest killer. [02:11:20] That is a bit of a killer [02:11:21] hmm [02:13:08] I'm not sure I like this whole exclusive-to-one-provider thing all the big-name phones have nowadays, either. [02:13:26] Krimpet: that's why I'll buy the Google Android Dev Phone, which is hardware unlocked :) [02:13:39] werdnum, but it's still limited to GPS networks [02:13:58] You mean GSM networks? [02:14:02] erm, yeah [02:14:13] always confuse the TLAs there [02:14:15] Aren't, like, all networks GSM? [02:14:37] The biggest provider in the USA, Verizon, is CDMA. [02:14:48] And generally understood to be the best in network coverage [02:15:09] Indeed. [02:15:22] weirdos. [02:15:34] Our CDMA network in AU has been disbanded totally. [02:16:27] It's been replaced by a 3G network. [02:16:29] Verizon and Sprint are CDMA, AT&T ne� Cingular and T-Mobile are GSM [02:16:42] werdnum, um, CDMA is 3G. :) [02:16:50] Krimpet: no, that's WCDMA :P [02:17:02] EV-DO, that is [02:17:04] and anyway, it has fallback to GSM. [02:17:38] werdnum, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution-Data_Optimized [02:17:58] I know what EV-DO is, and it's been disbanded :) [02:18:04] we use only WCDMA now, AFAIK [02:20:03] I suppose EV-DO might not work under coolibah trees and next to billabongs. But it works pretty well here. ;) [02:21:43] (I used to have T-Mobile years ago, and their coverage was horrible.) [02:23:34] It just happens that 3G works better than EV-DO [02:23:42] and it's totally covered in Australia. [02:23:54] 98% of Australia's population has 3G coverage. [02:24:45] werdnum, you're confusing things. 3G is an adjective; EV-DO is a 3G technology, as are UMTS, etc. [02:25:05] Sorry, by 3G I meant W-CDMA :) [02:26:01] Krimpet: So, 3.6 MB/s HSDPA is available for most of AU [02:26:03] EV-DO probably died out there because it's not GSM-compatible, which a lot of countries seem to prefer [02:26:18] Yes, Australia doesn't use CDMA at all. [02:26:42] like, plain non-GSM-compatible CDMA [02:28:09] Krimpet: So I wonder if I should take one of my ad respondents on their offer of the below-decks of a houseboat. [02:28:12] It really depends on what a country adopted first, is all. [02:28:19] werdnum, o_O? [02:29:03] Krimpet: "We have a rather unique place which we would rent to you for $1,000 a month, utilities included. It is a below-deck, completely furnished one-bedroom apartment on a houseboat in SF's Soma/South Beach/Mission Bay area. This is one of 20 houseboats here in SF." [02:40:44] How am I supposed to tell if my changes break anything when a clean checkout fails multiple tests already? [02:40:55] Is this generally a temporary problem? [02:45:13] davidmccabe: just make sure you don't break anything *more* [02:45:44] gurch: What if I break something that's already broken though? [02:45:53] davidmccabe: the parser tests always partially fail iirc [02:49:45] hey gurch [02:49:59] Vonderful. [02:50:42] davidmccabe: you'd have to ask a dev but I think some of them are "things that it would be nice if they worked, but don't" [02:51:19] ah. [02:51:32] davidmccabe: yes, gurch is correct. [02:51:39] You just don't want any regressions. [02:51:45] Make sure you don't cause any new tests to fail. [03:01:34] davidmccabe, brion doesn't let us remove the tests that have failed since they were created. [03:01:49] So the parser tests are combination regression testing and todo list. [03:01:55] Nobody runs them very often anyway. [03:02:07] Well, I got a patch rejected for breaking one of them, apparently. [03:02:15] I just assumed they were a joke and never tried them. [03:02:37] davidmccabe, you should run parserTests.php --record on a fresh checkout, then parserTests.php --compare to tell if you broke anything new. [03:02:46] Yeah, sometimes people actually run them for some reason. [03:03:15] Then someone will complain about them. [03:03:22] lolwut? [03:03:32] I could put them in my 'update' and 'dcommit' scripts. [03:03:35] If someone breaks something. [03:03:56] werdnum, they only matter if you changed something related to parsing anyway. [03:04:09] Which is rare. [03:04:13] We don't have real regression tests. [03:04:28] I suppose I should have been careful when changing wfRunHooks. [03:04:47] That's a fairly important function, yeah. [03:04:51] (I am factoring out wfInvoke() to invoke our fancy flexible function descriptors.) [03:08:44] in that case, IIRC it didn't cause a test to fail, it caused a fatal error, causing the script to fail [03:09:07] So in that sense the test failed. [03:09:10] :) [03:10:32] if i have a list of information like xyz: some description, abc: some other description etc. [03:10:41] how do i make a lost of that - i don't really want bullets [03:13:25] 03(mod) SVGZ (gzipped SVG) support - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4947 (10x00000000) [03:15:58] 03dale * r44701 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (19 files in 7 dirs): updates to remote media search [03:19:34] oh mv [03:19:42] oops, i mean never mind, i worked out a way [04:15:36] is there a setting that has to be enabled to allow users to use user js/css pages? [04:16:13] Random832: Yes. [04:16:24] what is it? [04:16:26] !defaultsettings [04:16:26] --mwbot-- For the current version of DefaultSettings.php, see: . [04:16:39] $wgAllowUserJs = false; [04:16:45] $wgAllowUserCss = false; [04:16:48] Those two are defaults. [04:16:53] why does it say there's a security risk? [04:16:54] Reverse them in LocalSettings.php. [04:17:06] that's going to give me a harder time convincing the admin to let me have my user css [04:17:10] Yes, security risk and extra load according to the comments. [04:17:20] what security risk? people can only edit their own [04:17:28] Admins can edit others'. [04:17:40] Random832: people can trick users into editing their own [04:17:42] Transclusion can allow anyone to edit it theoretically... [04:17:51] people can convince you to edit others' too [04:17:52] Random832: or security issues in mediawiki could allow that to happen [04:17:57] (Does transclusion even work?) [04:18:08] "hey, I wrote a cool script, add this to your js" [04:18:17] no, but ImportScript exists [04:18:20] I don't think so. Templates don't. [04:18:35] they are listed as being included, but they aren't really included [04:18:48] hello [04:18:49] which... probably shouldn't happen, now that I think about it :) [04:18:52] screw it, i'll just use greasemonkey [04:19:06] is it easy to put an existing wiki into an svn repository [04:19:06] without messing up stuff [04:22:27] stiv2k: what does that even mean? [04:22:55] Random832, i have an svn repository where my website lies, and i have an existing mediawiki that is outside of that repo [04:23:27] Random832, so i want to know if I can commit my wiki into the svn repository without messing it up [04:23:35] mediawiki is a software package. it uses a database. I guess you could use version control to keep track of the mediawiki scripts and your settings files [04:24:04] stiv2k: Have you seen http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code ? [04:24:18] MZMcMuffin, nope [04:24:36] MZMcMuffin: what's that? [04:24:42] *Random832 has only seen svnweb [04:24:44] is that new? [04:24:52] 03(NEW) Transcluded templates in user css/js shouldn't be listed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16683 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (mikelifeguard) [04:24:55] 03(mod) Transcluded templates in user css/js shouldn't be listed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16683 15enhancement->normal (10mikelifeguard) [04:25:01] Sorta new. It's what Wikimedia uses now to do code review. [04:25:37] 03(mod) Transcluded templates in user css/js shouldn't be listed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16683 +comment (10random832) [04:25:48] mike: and links, categories, images, etc [04:25:50] does svnweb still work? [04:26:01] *MZMcMuffin has no idea. [04:26:10] because i don't see a directory tree [04:26:42] Try to be more like a tree, it knows just when to bend. And it knows when you should take a stand, helping strangers, helping friends. [04:26:55] MZMcMuffin, hmm [04:27:18] MZMcMuffin, thats not really what i was talking about [04:27:26] stiv2k: Okay. [04:30:41] im talking about putting my existing mediawiki installation into an svn repository.... i dont really know how else to describe it [04:31:29] you mean the php files? [04:33:26] Mike_lifeguard: you should change the title of that bug to something like "User CSS/JS should be parsed as it is rendered, with all wikicode ignored (treated as source/pre)" or such, or you'll just keep getting "Also links" "Also images" comments [04:34:05] (the problem being, it parses the page for the pages' tables as if it wern't escaped, since of course it isn't except on view) [04:34:20] *MZMcMuffin parses Splarka. [04:34:22] 03(mod) User CSS/JS should be parsed as it is rendered, with all wikicode ignored (treated as source/pre) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16683 summary; +comment (10mikelifeguard) [04:34:57] *Splarka backlinks to MZM, puts him in namespace -2 [04:35:40] Media? [04:36:56] <|X|> MZMcMuffin, /nick MCMcMedia [04:37:35] MZM. [04:37:40] MC? [04:37:44] *MZMcMuffin still got pinged. :-( [04:37:47] master of ceremonies? [04:38:00] <|X|> *facpalm* [04:38:10] how? MCM? [04:38:20] Facpalm? [04:38:21] [x] don't have loose hilight regex [04:38:31] Splarka: It's a common mistake by people. [04:38:34] *|X| slaps Splarka [04:38:35] So I cover it. [04:38:57] [x] don't pay attention to stupid people [04:38:57] MQMcBride [04:39:06] *|X| spals Splarka [04:39:09] That's the "McBride" pinging. [04:39:11] <|X|> ARGHHHHH [04:39:28] <|X|> Don't pay attention to stupid people, including yourself [04:39:39] [x] don't have a nick shaped like a very common ascii representation of a checkbox [04:39:47] Okay, I'm working to enable image uploading to my media wiki, it is version 1.6.5 [04:39:51] [x] pings him? [04:40:04] NomadOfNorad: Did you get stuck? [04:40:12] MZM: yes, and he gets uppity if we DARE to mention it in relation to, oh, say, user options [04:40:28] I'm wading through the instructions at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Configuring_file_uploads [04:40:51] Options: [x] ban him from the channel; [x] quiet him; [x] profit? [04:41:31] I'm just wondering: do I NEED to enable $wgGroupPermissions['autoconfirmed']['upload'] = true; on the site, if I've added the line $wgGroupPermissions['uploadaccess']['upload'] = true; ? [04:41:42] hmm, seems freenode treats {} as distinct (some treat {} as uppercase []) [04:42:17] NomadOfNorad: I don't believe so. [04:42:18] X: you should usurp {x}, 167 weeks unused [04:42:31] then we can ping you more annoying ways [04:42:32] Though you'll want to give autoconfirmed status to uploadaccess then. [04:42:49] I do want to allow the replacement of revised pictures... but the instructions above don't seem to tie that to the new uploadaccess class [04:43:38] What exactly does autoconfirmed do, anyway? [04:43:57] It's a threshold. [04:43:58] I don't want just any old users to be able to add pictures to my site... [04:44:02] ah [04:44:29] Depending on configuration, it allows people to not be able to do certain actions based on, for example, length of time since registration. [04:44:36] Or number of edits. [04:44:43] It's good for things like page protection sometimes. [04:44:52] Or blocking uploads by brand new users, for example. [04:45:07] Mike_lifeguard, yes, the php files [04:45:33] 03(mod) Refactor upload code to split backend and interface - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14925 (10tstarling) [04:48:04] MCMcMedia: http://test.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=links&titles=User:Splarka [04:48:56] That doesn't ping. [04:49:07] :O [04:49:09] What'd you do? [04:49:43] http://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Splarka&curid=12373&diff=66522&oldid=66383&diffonly=1 [04:49:54] Without &diffonly that page is a PITA. [04:49:57] bug in [[Image:|link=]] [04:50:04] *Splarka grins [04:56:10] I'm assuming I'm correct to add $wgFileExtensions = array('png', 'gif', 'jpg', 'jpeg', 'doc', 'xls', 'mpp', 'pdf', 'zip'); [04:56:10] to the LocalSettings.php file like all these other things [04:56:31] (As apposed to a different .php file) [04:57:18] NomadOfNorad: Yes. All configuration happens in LocalSettings.php [04:57:25] Thankee [04:58:05] Should I add MP3 and OGG to that? [04:58:19] dunno - do you need to allow upload of those file types? [04:58:27] *NomadOfNorad shrugs. [04:58:36] If you want people to be able to upload mp3 and ogg you should add those. [05:00:34] Guess I'm trying to cover all my bases... [05:02:03] ogg IS the usual extension for the open-source sound format, right? [05:03:16] Sort of. [05:03:23] I think the proper format is actually [[.oga]]. [05:03:49] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theora [05:03:54] Dunno. [05:04:37] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorbis Ahh, here we go. [05:05:03] MZMcMuffin: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16651 [05:05:40] Yeah, yeah. [05:05:42] But this isn't for Wikimedia. ;-) [05:06:06] I think the proper format is actually [[.oga]]. [05:06:21] Hey, I said that! [05:06:25] pedantics [05:06:32] That page should redirect. [05:06:46] Fixed. [05:06:52] hey, you should outline a framework for an extension called "Pedantic MediaWiki" [05:07:07] Heh. [05:07:40] that breaks on any sort of failure in spelling, capitalization, whitespace.. well, more so than the native code [05:08:13] Haha. [05:08:14] TimStarling: http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/111811 :) [05:31:19] http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en-us&q=wfInvoke+site%3Asvn.wikimedia.org&btnG=Search [05:31:26] We really ought to let google spider that site. [05:32:27] well, not http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/USERINFO/ :) [05:32:54] I'm getting No standard web pages containing all your search terms were found. when I follow that google link [05:35:37] http://google.com/codesearch?num=100&q=package:svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk+file:phase3/+wfInvoke ? [05:36:06] What's that /USERINFO page about? [05:37:12] NomadOfNorad: info about users? [05:38:14] That much is obvious, but... wiki users? Webforum users? [05:38:23] +is it [05:39:16] NomadOfNorad: committers. [05:39:43] as in theose that have committed to the cause? :D [06:04:44] What's an MPP file? [06:04:51] umm, about notification emails - i've set $wgUsersNotifiedOnAllChanges to my Wiki user. now another person *moved* a page "OldName" to "NewName". I got a notification email with the topic "... page OldName has been created...". I think this should be "... page NewName has been created..." - known issue? [06:07:09] I did a wiki search, and the only software-file-ish thing I can find for MPP is Microsfot Project Plan file format... [06:07:32] So I gues there isn't really a reason for me to have those being uploaded to my wiki, right? [06:12:19] Gee, I do hope I didn't scare wolog off... :-| [06:19:12] How would I know if my installation of PHP has GD library installed on it? [06:34:02] morning folks [06:34:11] mornin [06:37:17] it seems like I need to bulk-delete a couple of spambot users from my wiki.. what'd be the best way to do this? [06:38:17] I'm interested in deleting some users from my wiki, too [06:40:23] I use MergeUser and Renameuserextensions [06:41:43] !deleteuser [06:41:43] --mwbot-- Deleting users is very messy and not recommended, because this breaks referential integrity in the database (they appear in many different tables like users, edit histories, recentchanges, preferences, etc). A safe solution is to block the users, and possibly rename them with . You can also try [06:44:05] Does this "messiness" exist if they never, ever posted or editted anything? [06:45:22] If I block the users, do their names still show up on Special:Listusers ? [06:46:47] Basically, I just want them to dsiappear from the list of users seen from User list under Special pages [06:47:14] er... disappear, that is [06:47:52] Just rename them. [06:52:08] Hmmmm.... under Extension:Renameuser I see: [06:52:12] This extension requires MediaWiki version 1.11.0 or greater. Due to the nature of this extension, and its use in production on Wikimedia web sites, it is often updated, and can become incompatible with old versions of the software with little advance warning. [06:52:34] I'm using Mediawiki 1.6.5 [06:52:50] AaronSchulz: http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=5506 [06:53:03] FF isn't *that* much more secure than IE, it's just that the hackers concentrate on the browser with the biggest market share [06:53:23] I'm assuming there's no such restriction on Extension:User Merge and Delete tho, since I see no such warning there... [06:53:26] if FF becomes that browser, then we'll start to see zero-day exploits for it too [06:53:27] yeah, being less used helps [06:53:37] *AaronSchulz is on 3.0.4 [06:53:49] *gbruin is on 3.0.5 ;-) [06:53:53] NomadOfNorad: 1.6.5 was released when? [06:54:34] Probably 2006.... I haven't updated since I origainally installed it back then [06:55:06] 03(NEW) Put .fr-diff-patrollink into .diff-ntitle - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16684 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (Wiki.Melancholie) [06:55:09] "I'm a Mac" "And I'm a PC *sneeze*" "What's wrong?" "Oh, I have a virus" "Oh, that's too bad. You know Mac's never get viruses" "Yah, because nobody fucking cares" [06:55:09] you're aware that there's been numerous security fixes and things like that? [06:55:18] hehe [06:55:22] Would going to a newer version break things in my LocalSettings.php ? [06:55:30] Splarka, heh [06:55:50] security through unpopularity [06:56:00] Splarka: I do have a mac virus on a floppy [06:56:15] tell that to the "I'm a Mac" commercials [06:56:18] wow... just try to infect one with it now heh [06:56:23] hehe [06:56:26] OS9.x as well [06:56:29] no floppies [06:56:39] well, 3.5" [06:56:43] JSharp: because all mac users constantly have hard ons [06:56:54] Can you read old Mac floppies on one of those USB floppy drives connected to a Mac? [06:56:55] not the floppy floppies [07:00:38] 03david * r44702 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Hooks.php: Factored wfInvoke out of wfRunHooks. This time without breakage. (I think.) [07:02:09] anyway, thanks for the pointers :) [07:05:54] 03david * r44703 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Hooks.php: wfInvoke documentation fix [07:06:15] Hmmmm.... according to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Upgrade I need PHP 5.x to use MediaWiki 1.13, and I only have PHP 4.4.7.... [07:08:28] 03david * r44704 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (4 files): UserMailer bigtime refactor. Please test. [07:09:27] TimStarling: :) [07:09:36] I love that summary [07:18:12] 03aaron * r44705 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (Article.php diff/DifferenceEngine.php): Use more thorough Title->userCan('patrol') [07:21:52] Will mediawiki 1.6 work with PHP 4.4.7 (even tho the Update page states that 5.0 is recommended)? [07:22:41] why not just upgrade all to the newest version in the interest of safety, performance and features? [07:22:51] (It is my webspace provider that is responsible for/controlls what version of PHP is instanned here...) [07:22:57] aah [07:23:15] instanned = installed [07:24:14] bug 'em that you need the upgrade performed due to urgent security concerns [07:24:43] any web host that still doesn't offer php5 doesn't deserve to exist [07:24:50] :D [07:24:55] are you sure they don't allow it using .php5 or something? [07:25:26] I'm not a Linux-head... :D [07:26:22] <_wooz> lo [07:26:36] morning alles [07:28:13] mornin [07:28:16] things don't conveniently stop existing at your withdrawl of approval, sadly [07:28:34] (unless you're a young boy in a twilight zone ep) [07:29:02] river: plz send IE and Safari to the cornfields, with php4-- [07:29:15] heh! [07:30:04] So what does it mean "...using .php5 or something" anyway? [07:30:49] by naming your file .php5 instead of .php, you might be able to use php5 [07:30:50] Would that mean I could manually put in place a folder containng PHP5 and then point Mediawiki to it? [07:31:04] ah, I see, said the blind man... [07:31:05] mediawiki includes an index.php5 in case that's required [07:32:09] So, having an index.php5 in there would let mediawiki limp along with having php 4.x on my server site? [07:32:29] no [07:32:39] some web hosts offer both php4 and php5 [07:32:49] and you select php5 by naming the file .php5 instead of .php [07:33:37] 03(mod) Subpages in MediaWiki namespace should be parsed in respective languages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16669 (10niklas.laxstrom) [07:35:04] Would this work if the provider doesn't list any reference to having php 5 at my server information page? [07:36:16] try it... upload a file called test.php5 and write this in it: [07:36:27] then visit test.php5 in your browser and see what php version it's using [07:39:28] Does this need to be placed somewhere in particular? Or just in my usual public_html folder? [07:39:44] anywhere should work [07:41:40] PHP Version 5.2.4 [07:42:00] then you can use mediawiki 1.13 [07:42:13] but when the manual tells you to visit index.php, visit index.php5 instead [07:43:00] 03tstarling * r44706 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/FiveUpgrade.inc: [07:43:00] Is this needed? Probably not, but it doesn't hurt. The connection is only used [07:43:00] for reading, so the commitMasterChanges() is technically unnecessary but [07:43:00] harmless. Without closeAll(), the connection will be held open until the script [07:43:01] terminates, but that's probably pretty soon in this case. [07:44:48] But simply renamiing LocalSettings.php to LocalSettings.php5 would suffice? [07:45:00] no, don't touch localsettings [07:45:06] just visit index.php5 instead of index.php [07:45:30] Is there a way to stop a user from editing thier preferences? [07:47:10] How does this relate to the users visiting my wiki, tho? Would I have to somehow, internally, cause the website to direct all users to index.php5 instad? [07:47:41]