[00:00:20] <noob_alarm>	$(highlight('#comment a:eq(0)','.span-18')); this works
[00:00:31] <brion>	Splarka: this doesn't apply to the edit page
[00:00:37] <brion>	did ya read the commit summary? :)
[00:00:58] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Offender field in Oversight does not understand underscore - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16764 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (jayvdb)
[00:01:01] <Bluegoblin7>	hi all, i need help to set up interlanguage links between two wikis
[00:01:10] <Bluegoblin7>	i was here earlier and just got confused further
[00:01:46] <Bluegoblin7>	its not too simple either - the wikis are part of a farm that uses a single LocalSettings.php file and lots of shared dbs
[00:01:47] <Splarka>	brion: ^how would they get to the edit page?
[00:01:57] <Bluegoblin7>	interwiki, cu etc
[00:02:07] <Splarka>	lets say they clicked a link where the page was deleted in teh interm, or an interwiki/interlang, etc
[00:02:12] <Bluegoblin7>	and only those two can be effected
[00:02:16] <Bluegoblin7>	can anyone help? please?
[00:02:28] <Splarka>	Brion: did you read my question? ^_^
[00:03:00] <Splarka>	(just askin'...)
[00:09:02] <Bluegoblin7>	can anyone help?!?!
[00:09:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Whatlinkshere does not list transcluded template links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16743  +comment (10jerryopennap)
[00:09:18] *Bluegoblin7 	is always ignored when he comes here
[00:09:22] <unpaidbill>	!namespaces
[00:09:22] --mwbot--	For help with understanding and manipulating namespaces, please consult <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Namespace>. See also !extranamespace
[00:09:37] <unpaidbill>	i'd help but i'm more clueless than you are i'm sure. good luck! :D
[00:10:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Offender field in Oversight does not understand underscore - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16764  (10alexfusco5)
[00:10:44] <Bluegoblin7>	unpaidbill: thanks, but its not namepsaces im having the issue with ;)
[00:11:25] <Bluegoblin7>	thanks anyway :D
[00:11:25] <unpaidbill>	yeah i know, i'm having a problem with namespaces :P
[00:11:26] <Bluegoblin7>	ah ok ;)
[00:11:26] <unpaidbill>	i was hoping it would have a nugget of information for me
[00:11:26] <unpaidbill>	it did not!
[00:11:47] <unpaidbill>	like how i move something into a namespace
[00:11:48] <unpaidbill>	:/
[00:11:58] <siebrand>	!ask | Bluegoblin7
[00:11:58] --mwbot--	Bluegoblin7: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[00:12:10] <Reedy>	literally use move and then target NewNamespace:Page
[00:12:23] <Bluegoblin7>	i didnt siebrand... i very much said what i needed help with...
[00:13:48] <Splarka>	<Bluegoblin7> hi all, i need help to set up interlanguage links between two wikis
[00:14:01] <Splarka>	!langlinks
[00:14:01] --mwbot--	Language links are links to translations of the same article on another wiki. For information on how to set up language links, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Interwiki#Interwiki_links_to_other_languages>
[00:14:11] <Splarka>	seen that page yet?
[00:14:18] <Bluegoblin7>	yes i was given it earlier and thats what confused me
[00:14:34] <Bluegoblin7>	wait
[00:14:36] <Bluegoblin7>	no
[00:14:40] <Bluegoblin7>	it was something different...
[00:14:43] <Bluegoblin7>	ill try now
[00:14:51] <Bluegoblin7>	thanks Splarka
[00:14:55] <unpaidbill>	$wgExtraNamespaces[100] = "IT";  and then i move Agdistis to IT:Agdistis but it doesnt go into the namespace.. i'm not even sure this is what i should be doing
[00:15:47] <unpaidbill>	i want to separate things into categories, which i use Category:IT for on the page.. make it look like the Help: section of mediawiki
[00:16:10] <Reedy>	arent you supposed to run a script after adding new namesapces or soemthing?
[00:16:10] <unpaidbill>	hmm i dont know
[00:16:11] <Reedy>	lets see..
[00:16:11] <Splarka>	only if you have pages with possibly conflicting titles
[00:16:11] <Reedy>	!addingnamespaces
[00:16:11] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "addingnamespaces".
[00:16:14] <unpaidbill>	from what i read, you just add that line, move conflicting names, then move them back
[00:16:18] <Reedy>	!addnamespaces
[00:16:18] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "addnamespaces".
[00:16:20] <Reedy>	!addnamespace
[00:16:20] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "addnamespace".
[00:16:22] <Splarka>	like if you have "IT:Foo" and then create "It:" namespace
[00:16:23] <Reedy>	bad bot
[00:16:23] <Splarka>	stop Reedy
[00:16:25] <Splarka>	STOP
[00:16:28] <Splarka>	!botnoob | Reedy
[00:16:28] --mwbot--	Reedy: I don't know everything about everything. I am mostly for lazy experienced users to echo quick answers to very common mediawiki questions. Please don't randomly experiment with me for help. Everything I know is at http://tools.wikimedia.de/~amidaniel/botbrain.html and you can visit #mwbot or privately message me.
[00:16:29] <Reedy>	lol
[00:16:31] <unpaidbill>	i see there are updates you can run
[00:16:38] <Splarka>	don't spam the chan guessing
[00:16:41] <unpaidbill>	but it appears to be only if you have a shitton of existing articles
[00:16:47] <unpaidbill>	err, crapload sorry
[00:17:08] <Reedy>	extranamespace.. typical
[00:17:33] <Bluegoblin7>	Splarka: that gets me halfway there as i know how to do it, but i dont think it would work with my set up
[00:18:08] <Splarka>	blue: you have some shared databases, but you obviously have some separate too, right?
[00:18:34] <unpaidbill>	oh hrm, it is adding it to the namespace correctly, but the Category page is dropping everytyhing in IT: namespace under I instead of the page title
[00:18:39] <Bluegoblin7>	we are running about 25 wikis on a wikifarm, and only 2 need the lang link. The others are on different topics. they run out of one instance of mediawiki. they share the interwiki database
[00:18:56] <Bluegoblin7>	Splarka: each wiki has it's own database yes, but the interwiki one is shared
[00:19:00] <Splarka>	well, you'll need to unshare the interwiki database
[00:19:39] <Splarka>	unless you wanna get hackish...
[00:19:54] <Splarka>	lang links _can_ loop back... but that's lame
[00:19:56] <brion>	Splarka: by clicking a link
[00:20:04] <Bluegoblin7>	ok
[00:20:18] <Splarka>	brion: a red link?
[00:20:23] <brion>	you pretty much have to create a url manually to get to a view URL for a nonexistent page within mediawiki
[00:20:38] <brion>	normally you'll get a redlink which goes to the edit page
[00:20:41] <Bluegoblin7>	so seeing as were using one LocalSettings for the lot, how would i unshare it just for that wiki? and would it also mean that new "global" lang links would have to be added manually to the two interlang wikis?
[00:20:48] <Splarka>	brion: what about the following siutations:
[00:20:53] <Splarka>	* &redlink=1 -> view (so they can't edit, but maybe they wanna view the logs)
[00:20:56] <Splarka>	* interwiki/interlang
[00:20:59] <Splarka>	* external link
[00:21:02] <Splarka>	* cached page
[00:21:08] <brion>	Splarka: 1) that's an action=edit
[00:21:17] <brion>	2) that's a broken-link case
[00:21:20] <brion>	3) that's a broken-link case
[00:21:26] <Splarka>	1a) brion: it 30xs to action=view if they don't have edit permission
[00:21:31] <brion>	4) wtf?
[00:21:47] <Splarka>	4: mirror, offsite, deleted after render but before click
[00:21:47] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) exclamation mark on RC - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16724  +comment (10danny.leinad)
[00:21:48] <brion>	Splarka: what does? i've never seen such a thing
[00:22:15] <brion>	4) again that's a broken link case
[00:22:43] <yksinaisyyteni>	http://wikimediafoundation.org/w/index.php?title=User:Hillgentleman&action=edit&redlink=1 doesn't go to an edit or view source page to me, it redirects to the view page
[00:22:44] <Splarka>	if ( $wgRequest->getBool( 'redlink' ) ) {
[00:22:49] <brion>	so, we consider the possibility that for a tiny portion of broken-link cases (the case where we want 404s!) some people _might_ not see the page
[00:22:51] <Splarka>	$wgOut->redirect( $this->mTitle->getFullUrl() );
[00:22:58] <brion>	we then weigh that against the utility of the 404
[00:23:16] <brion>	and the ability to actually debug and trace down the problem situations (if they actually occur) without worrying about basic functionality being broken
[00:24:23] <Bluegoblin7>	Splarka: would something like http://www.pastie.org/345247 do it?
[00:24:30] <brion>	Splarka: in this situation (redlink when no edit ability) they can't edit anyway
[00:24:36] <brion>	so again, not interfering
[00:24:38] <Splarka>	...
[00:24:42] <Splarka>	<Splarka> * &redlink=1 -> view (so they can't edit, but maybe they wanna view the logs)
[00:24:47] <Splarka>	like to see why and when it was deleted
[00:24:48] <Bluegoblin7>	even though we already have the shared tables defined above?
[00:25:00] <brion>	Splarka: in that case, we can debug it if and when it happens
[00:25:01] <Bluegoblin7>	for all wikis*
[00:25:11] <Splarka>	brion: like say, image deleted from commons...
[00:25:21] <brion>	Splarka: in that case, we can debug it if and when it happens
[00:25:31] <Splarka>	brion: what will this do for image description pages that don't exist, but exist on shared repository?
[00:25:39] <Splarka>	k, just sayin'
[00:25:41] <Bluegoblin7>	Splarka: ^^
[00:25:46] <Splarka>	the same reasons you removed it before still apply
[00:25:50] <brion>	we reverted the original because the mystery bug we could not reproduce struck core editing cases, making it too damaging to leave in place
[00:25:51] <Splarka>	except to things like edit pages
[00:26:01] <Splarka>	but regular views are how many people get to actions
[00:26:06] <brion>	thus we never had time to organize the affected people to debug it and figure out what was actually going on
[00:26:19] <brion>	if this was a real problem
[00:26:23] <brion>	and if it still exists
[00:26:27] <brion>	then, if anyone actually encounters it
[00:26:32] <brion>	then we'll be able to debug it
[00:26:35] <brion>	find out what causes it
[00:26:36] <brion>	and fix it
[00:27:30] *Splarka 	gets his answer to the original question: "no"
[00:27:38] <brion>	well you're wrong :)
[00:27:40] <brion>	but that's ok
[00:27:52] <Splarka>	<Splarka> brion: that doesn't completely fix the issues in https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2585#c9 does it?
[00:28:05] *brion 	repeats everything he said above
[00:28:11] *Splarka 	does too
[00:28:33] <Splarka>	I remember using crappy browsers that wouldn't let you see local 404 messages
[00:28:42] <brion>	then find me an affected client and let's handle it
[00:28:43] <Splarka>	(but that was another life)
[00:29:06] <brion>	or we can sit around and moan
[00:29:32] <brion>	"oh no! someone, somewhere, might have an unreproduceable problem, so let's never attempt to fix it"
[00:30:09] <Splarka>	"but think of the child processes!"
[00:30:16] <brion>	:D
[00:30:34] <Splarka>	so
[00:30:53] <Splarka>	logically, why don't you serve 30x for redirects? [flamebait]
[00:31:18] <brion>	that's a FAQ and you know you can find it :)
[00:31:34] <Splarka>	300 for disambiguation pages...
[00:31:45] <Splarka>	and 402 for squid errors
[00:32:37] <brion>	402 Donation Required
[00:32:42] <Splarka>	to change (or drop) the subject: you never saw what redlink=1 does?
[00:33:09] <brion>	the redirect bit? that seems to be some exciting new thing
[00:33:23] <brion>	it's primarily there to distinguish between in-content clicks and explicit edits for autoblock purposes
[00:33:47] <CIA-8>	03mrzman * r44920 10/trunk/extensions/Oversight/HideRevision_body.php: (bug 16764) Fix case-sensitivity and underscores in username input by creating a user object and getting the name rather than using the input directly.
[00:33:48] <DanielFriesen>	^_^ Wikia has that /feature/..... :/ it annoys the hell out of me
[00:34:09] <buzz_>	brion, how is the 1.14 release coming along? (you wonderful person. insert more praise/encouragement here)
[00:34:28] <DanielFriesen>	^_^ heh, you guys reminded me to violently prod someone till I can get it disabled on the dragonball wiki
[00:34:28] <brion>	buzz_: ask Tim-away :)
[00:34:33] <Splarka>	brion: 10 months ago
[00:34:37] <Splarka>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=31140
[00:34:57] <buzz_>	brion, i thought you were "the man". :)
[00:35:54] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Offender field in Oversight does not understand underscore - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16764  +comment (10mrzmanwiki)
[00:36:19] <Splarka>	(in fact, it predated &redlink=1 when it was a different edit parameter (later split off to redlink))
[00:36:40] <brion>	buzz_: the man knows how to delegate :)
[00:37:03] <Splarka>	"The buck stops here, but only as a plate of medium rare venison"
[00:37:32] <buzz_>	brion, so, then i shall have to wait :)
[00:39:19] <Simetrical>	brion used to be release manager, but delegated it to Tim some time ago.
[00:39:35] <buzz_>	oh
[00:39:44] <buzz_>	but brion was good at it!
[00:39:45] <buzz_>	:D
[00:39:50] <brion>	:)
[00:42:07] <Simetrical>	brion would also be good at writing all new features, but he unfortunately doesn't have 371 hours per day available, yet.
[00:42:22] *Simetrical 	doubts there are 371 hours per day spent on MediaWiki development, actually
[00:42:38] <brion>	my new mac came with "time machine", but i was very disappointed i couldn't get it working
[00:43:10] <buzz_>	i ate a miracle berry tablet earlier. strange experience eating lemon and it tasting sweet, and orange juice tasted awesome.
[00:43:19] <buzz_>	just thought I would share that snippet of info
[00:43:27] <Splarka>	would you live your life at accelerated speed just to keep mediawiki happy?
[00:44:12] <Simetrical>	It would have to be at slower speed, logically.
[00:44:35] <Simetrical>	I would love to be able to spend an unlimited amount of time in a little bubble where everyone else was moving too slowly for me to interact with them.
[00:44:37] <brion>	i'm pretty sure i would spend my time doing something else :)
[00:44:42] <brion>	hehe
[00:45:18] <Simetrical>	It would be like in a computer game, where DRAGONS ARE ABOUT TO EAT THE PRINCESS but you get to just ignore them for a while and rescue everyone's stray cats and stuff and nothing bad happens.
[00:45:30] <Splarka>	accelerated from our point of view
[00:46:12] *Simetrical 	remembers spending a few in-game months in Oblivion doing all the side quests before bothering to do the whole "demons are invading Cyrodil are are about to destroy everything" main quest
[00:46:21] <brion>	:D
[00:46:24] *Simetrical 	got bored at that point and gave up on the game :(
[00:46:29] <brion>	aww
[00:46:32] <Splarka>	http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YearInsideHourOutside
[00:46:51] <Simetrical>	brion, you always have an appropriately sympathetic monosyllable handy.
[00:47:08] <Simetrical>	Do you have a script that greps for emoticons and outputs an appropriate response with a plausible delay?
[00:51:51] <Simetrical>	Splarka, http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TakeYourTime
[00:51:57] <Simetrical>	That's what I'm talking about.
[00:52:00] <Simetrical>	I want that in real life.  :(
[00:54:15] <Simetrical>	It even gives Oblivion as an example!
[00:54:38] <aib>	{{#ifeq: {{{2|}}}|||author={{{2}}},}}
[00:54:54] <Skizzerz>	aib: uh, use #if for that
[00:55:09] <Skizzerz>	{{#if:{{{2|}}}|author={{{2}}},}}
[00:55:47] <aib>	still seems to always be false :/
[00:55:52] <aib>	never prints author=...
[00:56:01] <Skizzerz>	hmm
[00:56:18] <Skizzerz>	and are you passing in a value for {{{2}}}?
[00:56:43] <Splarka>	Simetrical: yes, not really applicable to mediawiki though, where extroverted time dilation or cryogenic sleep is at least theoretically possible
[00:56:46] <Skizzerz>	because it works for me
[00:56:50] <aib>	i'm trying to figure that out as well. the template is populated by smw
[00:57:07] <Splarka>	(as in, brion puts everyone into liquid nitrogen for a few quiet years of commit review)
[00:57:14] <Skizzerz>	if you're viewing the template page itself, it won't work. It should work, however, if you transclude the template and define that parameter
[00:57:15] <aib>	i use parameters 1..20, and it does retain their order. so even if {{{2}} isn't passed, it still passes 10 as {{{10}}}
[00:57:50] <aib>	so i think that {{{2}}} is always passed, just as empty? i would have to look at code to know that i think
[00:58:01] <Skizzerz>	well, it would have to be non-empty to display
[00:58:25] <aib>	i want no display if empty
[00:58:42] <aib>	sometimes it is non-empty
[01:00:42] <Skizzerz>	then the #if code I gave should work
[01:01:17] <Skizzerz>	could you paste the template code and an example call of it not working on a pastey somewhere (or link to it if the wiki is public)?
[01:02:27] <aib>	skizzers i think your advice was good, thanks
[01:03:09] <aib>	i am refreshing running a refresh script for semantic mediawiki. it is not passing the authors even when author is defined
[01:03:17] <brion>	Simetrical: :D
[01:22:58] <Simetrical>	Splarka, that site is awesome.  I'm still reading it.  And have a dozen tabs open now, and increasing.
[01:24:01] <Splarka>	Simetrical: yes, exact same happened to me
[01:24:07] <Splarka>	and everyone else I ever linked to it
[01:24:16] <Splarka>	there is even a trope about it
[01:24:35] <Splarka>	http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TVTropesWillRuinYourLife
[01:26:01] <Splarka>	http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WMG/TVTropesWiki  " The code of TV Tropes is written to force users to use Tabbed Browsing."
[01:32:20] <MZMcBride>	Simetrical: How do I force a category to do a recount of its members?
[01:32:24] <MZMcBride>	Is there a way?
[01:34:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Generic 403 server error page is confusing for URL with "&amp;" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13125  summary (10brion)
[01:36:08] <aib>	does CodeReview update on its own?? it's not happening on my wiki. maybe i should make a post-commit hook in svn for the svnImport.php script? 
[01:36:43] <brion>	aib: yes, you'll need to set up some sort of post-commit script
[01:36:50] <brion>	you can have it ping the api module on your server
[01:37:25] <aib>	ping the wizza whutta?
[01:37:39] <Simetrical>	MZMcBride, if it has fewer than 200 members, view the category page.  Otherwise, no, not right now.
[01:37:39] <brion>	:) sec
[01:37:51] <MZMcBride>	Simetrical: Hmm. That sucks.
[01:38:00] <Simetrical>	MZMcBride, same as every other counter in the software.
[01:38:04] <Simetrical>	It does suck, yeah.
[01:38:24] <MZMcBride>	Simetrical: Well, we have a category that's reporting 12,000 members when it's actually only about 3,000.
[01:39:10] <MZMcBride>	Is there at least an open bug about this?
[01:39:27] <brion>	aib: something like this: https://wikitech.leuksman.com/view/Svn.wikimedia.org#CodeReview
[01:40:07] <brion>	you can POST to the wiki's api.php with a request that it update to the current revision from SVN
[01:40:51] <brion>	if your SVN and MediaWiki are on the same box, you could run svnImport.php directly instead
[01:43:27] <Simetrical>	MZMcBride, probably.  That seems fairly drastic.
[01:43:39] <Simetrical>	I don't know why counts inevitable suck so much.
[01:43:52] <MZMcBride>	I don't see an open bug currently..
[01:44:28] <aib>	thanks brion!
[01:44:48] <Simetrical>	Splarka, I'm up to 30 tabs.  :(
[01:44:53] <Simetrical>	MZMcBride, pretty sure there is one somewhere.
[01:45:01] <aib>	"wikitech.leuksman.com uses an invalid security certificate."
[01:45:02] <aib>	hacked!
[01:45:06] <Simetrical>	I think we should just have a 1% chance of recounting the category on every category page view.
[01:45:11] <aib>	jp:p
[01:45:14] <MZMcBride>	"16614 subcat count > 0 for cats with no subcats on dewiki"
[01:45:24] <MZMcBride>	Simetrical: /me nods.
[01:45:25] <Splarka>	Simetrical: horrible isn't it
[01:45:32] <Simetrical>	Or 0.001% for Wikipedia, probably, whatever.
[01:45:35] <MZMcBride>	That's the only related bug I can find.
[01:45:47] <MZMcBride>	Simetrical: Though that still kinda sucks.
[01:45:50] <Simetrical>	A sysadmin could run about two lines in eval.php to fix it.
[01:45:58] <Simetrical>	For the given category.
[01:46:03] <Splarka>	MZMcBride: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=category+count&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED
[01:46:06] <Simetrical>	Or we could let people fix it by purging or something.
[01:46:10] <MZMcBride>	Why not Special:Purge?
[01:46:12] <MZMcBride>	Yeah.
[01:46:20] <Splarka>	several dupes/fixeds
[01:46:30] <MZMcBride>	I mean a SELECT COUNT(cl_to) isn't too expensive, right?
[01:47:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) 'cur' link in article history should have 'diff=cur' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8498  (10brion)
[01:47:38] <Splarka>	Simetrical: how about a 1/categorymemberestimate chance of recount? so if the cat has an estimate of 3000, recount ~ every 3000th visit (1:3000)
[01:47:47] <Splarka>	(so big ones get recounted less often)
[01:47:56] <MZMcBride>	Still not seeing an appropriate bug.
[01:48:05] <MZMcBride>	I'll file one and if someone dupes it, oh well.
[01:48:27] <brion>	what do folks think of the URL stability issue on 8498?
[01:48:45] <Splarka>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16614  ?
[01:49:00] <Splarka>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16249  similar?
[01:49:14] <Splarka>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14361 ?
[01:49:54] <MZMcBride>	Similar, but not the same.
[01:51:39] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Need a method to refresh category member counts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16765 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (public)
[01:51:44] <MZMcBride>	^
[01:52:35] *Splarka 	starts the stopwatch
[01:53:50] <Jinx>	Is wikibugs posting these entries based on an RSS feed?
[01:54:06] <Jinx>	or is it more directly linked to the bug db?
[01:54:11] <brion>	Jinx: perl script that scrapes from email
[01:54:15] <Splarka>	brion: didn't it used to be diff=0 once? isn't that bad?
[01:54:25] <Splarka>	(like in 1.5 or something)
[01:54:26] <Jinx>	ah, that's too bad.
[01:54:39] <brion>	Splarka: well prior to 1.5 there was no oldid available for the current version, so probably yeah
[01:55:04] <Jinx>	i'm looking to try to enable my RSS->IRC script to spit out some forum/wiki/bugtracker stuff
[01:55:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) feed=rss: bodies sometimes included, and if so bodies of other pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7902  +comment (10brion)
[01:57:19] <Splarka>	brion: I'd wontfix as a regression, but maybe add (cur) links in the diff itself for each revision
[01:57:28] <Splarka>	like where "previous edit" and "next edit" links are
[01:58:07] <brion>	hmmm
[01:58:08] <Splarka>	(or maybe like << first <prev next> cur>>)
[01:59:07] <Splarka>	or pull a tim and add a special parameter &cur=true that would redirect to newer revisions if available, that could easily be removed for stability sake
[01:59:24] <MZMcBride>	brion: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16629 is this something I can nag Rob about? It's causing us problems on en.wiki.
[01:59:50] <brion>	rob's on vacation this week
[01:59:57] <brion>	gimme a sec, i'll take a peek
[02:00:29] *Splarka 	adds comments to the bug
[02:00:44] <brion>	tx
[02:05:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) 'cur' link in article history should have 'diff=cur' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8498  (10herd)
[02:05:27] <Viper550>	Any way to have MW link with a Wordpress user DB?
[02:07:33] <Splarka>	Viper550: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/AuthPlugin is a good starting point
[02:12:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Multiple search terms are not enforced properly for Chinese - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8445  minor->normal; low->normal; summary (10brion)
[02:30:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Corrupt protections in page_restrictions table - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16629  +comment (10brion)
[02:34:47] <aib>	i added $useCache='skipcache' to getDiff in CodeReview. i also tried butchering the function to force it to svn->getDiff, but i still get 'Failed to load diff'
[02:34:56] <aib>	so I think i have some other error..?
[02:36:25] <brion>	needs memcached i think
[02:36:29] <brion>	going home now...
[02:36:46] <aib>	this might be it: "Using the SVN PECL extension..."
[02:37:20] <Simetrical>	Splarka, up to 58 tabs.
[02:37:30] <Simetrical>	It might have stabilized now, though, if I'm lucky it's starting to decrease.
[02:39:06] <Splarka>	worst part is if your browser crashes
[02:39:14] <aib>	firefox -safe-mode
[02:39:15] <Splarka>	then you have to delve into your history
[02:39:38] <Simetrical>	Splarka, nope, session restore.
[02:39:45] <Splarka>	depends on browser
[02:39:48] <Simetrical>	Aw, man, the picture here brings back memories.  http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GoddamnedBats
[02:40:02] <Simetrical>	"USE POKEMON REPELLANT IN CAVES IF YOU VALUE YOUR SANITY"
[02:40:10] <Simetrical>	Splarka, in non-sucky browsers.
[02:40:15] <Splarka>	hah, I added a picture to that, but not that one
[02:40:51] <Splarka>	(Soulblazer had these really annoying infinite butterflies)
[02:42:44] <Splarka>	http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OneUpSampo
[02:46:42] <Viper550>	Any good dark skins?
[02:52:31] <MZMcBride>	I thought that was racist... 
[02:52:50] <Viper550>	no for mediawiki
[02:53:00] <MZMcBride>	Yes, yes, I realize now.
[02:53:04] <MZMcBride>	I think Wikia may have some?
[02:53:11] <MZMcBride>	!skins
[02:53:11] --mwbot--	Overview: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skins>. Skin usage: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Skins>. Gallery of CSS styles: <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gallery_of_user_styles>. Writing your own: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skinning>
[02:53:16] <Viper550>	I looked
[02:54:42] <MZMcBride>	Try Googling a bit?
[02:55:02] <Splarka>	http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/MediaWiki:Monobook.css?useskin=monobook  maybe
[02:55:24] <MZMcBride>	Yeah, that's the one I was thinking of.
[02:55:38] <Splarka>	they spent years making a dark monobook, there are lots of little fiddly bits (I even did some)
[02:57:05] <Viper550>	http://iidxfreak.com/ making it look like the rest of the site may be a bit hard
[02:57:40] <Splarka>	it is no small thing to go dark
[02:57:47] <Splarka>	and remember, "once you go black, you never go back"
[02:57:51] <MZMcBride>	And once you go ..
[02:57:54] <MZMcBride>	Damn it.
[02:59:04] <djMax>	I'm trying to allow multiple independent template calls to participate in a sort of "sidebar".  Is there any such super-template or extension to do this kind of thing?
[03:17:59] <Simetrical>	Splarka, up to 102.
[03:18:05] <Simetrical>	I've stopped skimming through the Examples now.
[03:18:11] <Simetrical>	But they're still multiplying.
[03:19:48] <Splarka>	you know you're a gonner when you start editing
[03:20:08] *Simetrical 	hasn't yet
[03:20:18] *Simetrical 	has to go to bed, but will resume in the morning . . .
[03:20:27] <Splarka>	favorite so far?
[03:20:37] <Simetrical>	Possibly the Zubat reference.
[03:20:45] <Simetrical>	Although I can't remember, it's been too many.
[03:20:51] <Splarka>	see also http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ptitlexn9xzsjd5fif vs http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ptitleurwof45r56ea
[03:21:02] <Splarka>	"Chehkov's Gun" vs "Chekov's Gun"
[03:43:02] <aib>	how can i get a newline after the last comma here? {{#if:{{{2|}}}|author={{{2}}},}}
[03:43:19] <aib>	i tried putting the closing }} on the next line but it was ignored
[03:43:27] <aib>	also tried {{{Newline}}} but it doesn't get expanded there
[04:00:48] <p858snake>	aib: try <br />
[04:01:10] <aib>	i don't want <br> in the output but i found Template:If and am trying that
[04:16:45] <CIA-8>	03dale * r44921 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (15 files in 9 dirs): 
[04:16:45] <CIA-8>	remote search & insert wizard updates
[04:16:45] <CIA-8>	some js refactoring
[04:25:44] <CIA-8>	03mrzman * r44922 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: (bug 16738) Rename IPBlockList to BlockList
[04:26:16] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Rename Special:IPBlockList - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16738  +comment (10mrzmanwiki)
[04:26:56] <MrZ-man>	MZMcBride: ^^
[04:27:02] <MZMcBride>	<3
[04:29:50] <Splarka>	is there a "pedantic consistency tracking" bug?
[04:30:24] <MZMcBride>	Nyah.
[04:30:36] <Mike_lifeguard>	Did we rename special:blockip yet?
[04:30:58] <MZMcBride>	Yep.
[04:31:04] <Splarka>	Special:FlightDelays
[04:31:06] <MZMcBride>	That change is live.
[04:31:21] <Splarka>	(people trapped in airplanes on the runway have less human rights than people on death row)
[04:32:24] <aiuw>	lol
[04:32:33] <CIA-8>	03skizzerz * r44923 10/trunk/extensions/Maintenance/ (Maintenance.i18n.php Maintenance.php Maintenance_body.php): * adding support for the eval and sql maintenance scripts
[04:32:58] <MrZ-man>	Mike_lifeguard: yes, after MZMcBride bugged siebrand to do it I think
[04:33:07] <MZMcBride>	More pings.
[04:33:32] <Mike_lifeguard>	to what?
[04:33:59] <MrZ-man>	Special:Block
[04:33:59] <MZMcBride>	Special:Block
[04:34:03] <MZMcBride>	Jinx!
[04:34:06] <MZMcBride>	Heh.
[04:34:12] <MZMcBride>	Another ping..
[04:34:19] <Skizzerz>	Special:KillerRabbitOfCaerBannog
[04:38:11] <unpaidbill>	are there any live examples of wikies created with mediawiki i could look at, i would like to see how other people are organizing data in here and what kind of modules they're using
[04:38:35] <unpaidbill>	err, wikis
[04:38:43] <Splarka>	you mean like the 800 on wikimedia, the 3500 on wikia?
[04:38:59] <Skizzerz>	Splarka: you mean 11000 on wikia?
[04:39:15] <Splarka>	I sure hope not, but if so, ick
[04:39:21] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:SiteMatrix
[04:39:29] <unpaidbill>	ah
[04:39:38] <unpaidbill>	cool thanks, that would be what i was hoping for
[04:39:53] <Splarka>	and wikia.com (somewhere is a list)
[04:40:02] <unpaidbill>	i'll look around
[04:40:04] <Skizzerz>	Splarka: * Topic for #wikia is: ... 11000+ wikis and growing ...
[04:40:08] <Skizzerz>	so yeah
[04:40:10] <Splarka>	sigh
[04:40:11] <Skizzerz>	ick?
[04:40:28] <Skizzerz>	90% of them are dead/shouldn't exist
[04:40:29] <Splarka>	yknow that "Wikipedia is a set of encyclopedia's, Wikia is the whole library" quote?
[04:40:38] <Skizzerz>	that's totally false
[04:40:48] <Splarka>	right, I said that in an off hand comment once
[04:40:54] <Splarka>	and then Jimmy used the quote everywhere
[04:41:02] <Skizzerz>	"Wikipedia is a set of encyclopedia's, Wikia is all the graffiti painted on the library walls"
[04:41:04] <Splarka>	really, it is a set of empty books
[04:41:10] <aib>	something like action=raw that does parsing?
[04:41:16] <Splarka>	action=render
[04:41:21] <aib>	neat-o
[04:41:25] <Splarka>	or action=parse in the API
[04:41:48] <MZMcBride>	Splarka: !
[04:41:57] <MZMcBride>	[[Grocer's apostrophe]].
[04:47:31] <Krimpet>	"Fresh" Apple's.
[04:51:56] <aib>	the Template:if fix to newlines and whitespace in parser functions isn't robust enough to handle my advanced usage of #if
[04:52:05] <aib>	so i'm still looking for a more robust soln if someone can think of one
[04:56:28] <Splarka>	aib: wikicode is a markup to html, and html does not respect inline newlines, except as tags, or in the case of white-space:nowrap or white-space:pre
[04:57:00] <Splarka>	(except tidy strips newlines out of most elements, so those manual styles don't work)
[04:59:35] <aib>	i would use pre blocks
[04:59:42] <Splarka>	if you want a newline, use <br />, or a block level element (by closing, opening a new one, opening and closing one such as <div></div>, or closing and opening one like </p><p>)
[04:59:49] <aib>	but the issue, i believe, is that white space and newlines are stripped out of parser funs
[04:59:58] <aib>	yes, i've resorted to using <br/>, but it's not really the soln
[05:00:15] <aib>	since i am generating a bibtex file, i have to use lynx -dump to get rid of the <br/>
[05:00:18] <Splarka>	free flowing text is meant to wrap in html
[05:02:06] <aib>	a newline character can exist in a webpage..it's the parser that doesn't allow it
[05:02:44] <aib>	anyway i am happy for the night - i got mediawiki to output bibtex:)
[05:02:50] <aib>	even if it's pseudo-bibtex
[05:05:41] <Splarka>	a newline character can exist in a web page, but is ignored
[05:05:55] <Splarka>	even when the parser does allow them, they do nothing
[05:06:13] <Splarka>	(unless kept by white-space or some tags like pre)
[05:06:35] <aib>	i understand it was designed with humans in mind, and i am generating machine-readable stuffs like files with newlines
[05:07:24] <Splarka>	<span>foo\nbar</span> -> foo bar
[05:07:52] <Splarka>	<span>foo\n           \n               \n        \t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t               \n                            \n                   \n\n\n\n\n           bar</span> -> foo bar
[05:08:02] <aib>	lol..
[05:08:22] <Splarka>	tidy removes them to make the source cleaner, but it doesn't need to
[05:08:58] <aib>	i would give my left lung to be able to use \n and \t in a parser function
[05:09:25] <Splarka>	{{n}} -> <br/>
[05:09:48] <Splarka>	maybe make a parser extension tag that applies after tidy
[05:10:09] <Splarka>	the thing is, even if you do use it, humans won't notice
[05:15:33] <aib>	i believe templates are not expanded at that time
[05:15:38] <aib>	so {{n}} becomes {{n}}
[05:15:44] <aib>	i tries this with {{Newline}} earlier
[05:24:56] <Splarka>	templates are expanded, but not totally as you might think
[05:25:48] <Splarka>	you can have a template/parserfunction/magicword name come from a sub-template/parserfunction/magicword result
[05:26:06] <Splarka>	you can also have parameters and parameter values
[05:26:18] <Splarka>	but you can't have delimiters (pipes and equals signs) come from them
[05:27:05] <Splarka>	{{ {{some template naming the template being called}} | {{some template naming the parameter}} = {{some template giving a parameter value}} }}
[05:34:20] <OverlordQ>	Anybody remember the page offhand that talks about how to fix the problem where the section edit links get bunched up? I know there's magical templates to fix it but can't remember offhand
[05:35:08] <Splarka>	I know it is at the top of VPT...
[05:35:44] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:How_to_fix_bunched-up_edit_links
[05:35:48] <OverlordQ>	tricky WP:BUNCH
[05:36:15] <Splarka>	whew, won by 4 seconds
[05:36:28] <Splarka>	it is a challenge anymore to answer some easy questions before the asker answers themselves
[05:37:05] <Jinx>	when using the RSS feed on the "Recent Changes" page, is there a way to specify how many entries will appear? I tried altering &days=14 etc., but despite the original page showing many more entries, the RSS feed still shows only 2.
[05:37:12] <OverlordQ>	well I found it on VPT :P
[05:37:36] <Splarka>	the RSS doesn't have many options
[05:38:26] <Jinx>	are any set?
[05:39:07] <Jinx>	(if so where?) ... and should &days and &limit have any effect?
[06:42:11] <Splarka>	uhoh: http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=1104358
[06:42:22] *Splarka 	waits for...
[06:42:56] <Splarka>	<aboot_eh> How can I restrict namespaces from public view? Please note that Lives are at stake.
[06:44:16] <HttpErrors>	O.o
[06:45:05] <OverlordQ>	lol
[06:45:33] <OverlordQ>	"How can I keep drug dealers from reading my wiki?"
[06:46:24] <CIA-8>	03dale * r44924 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/ (5 files in 3 dirs): some cross browser video player fixes, stream interface updates
[07:35:30] <Aleenf1>	HELP
[07:36:24] <Splarka>	if you were just in a plane crash, please go to your nearest designated emergency exit
[07:36:30] <Splarka>	note that your nearest exit may be behind you
[07:36:48] <Splarka>	in the event of a water based emergency landing, your seat cushion can be used as a flotation device
[07:37:00] <OverlordQ>	And if you were on fire, the water should put you out.
[07:37:27] <Splarka>	and if you wern't in a plane crash, you don't need help that desperately
[07:37:52] <Splarka>	but, you wouldn't be the first to come online during a plane crash, not even today: http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,24833071-38198,00.html
[07:39:03] <Aleenf1>	i asking for mediawiki help
[07:39:06] <OverlordQ>	glad for him to keep up his '2drinksbehind' persona
[07:39:14] <Aleenf1>	what you guys talking about?
[07:39:38] <OverlordQ>	too bad twitter wasn't on that plane
[07:39:45] <OverlordQ>	I still dont get wtf the big deal about it is
[07:55:36] <chun>	hi all
[07:56:05] <chun>	quick question, how do i add a new language in a mediawiki install?
[07:56:44] <chun>	i mean, like adding http://foo.bar/zh/xxx
[07:58:37] <Splarka>	a new language is a new wiki, which can be a separate install, or the same install with a separate database
[07:58:41] <Splarka>	!farm
[07:58:41] --mwbot--	To run multiple wikis, you can simply install MediaWiki in different folders, with different databases or in one with database prefixes. You can also have multiple wikis using a single installation: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_family> and <http://booleandreams.wordpress.com/2007/06/12/running-multiple-instance-of-mediawiki-on-the-same-server-using-the-same-source-code/>.
[07:59:36] <chun>	ok, i see, so i need to either have a new install, or a separate db
[08:01:23] <Splarka>	and then you can set up interlanguage links twixt them
[08:01:26] <Splarka>	!langlinks
[08:01:26] --mwbot--	Language links are links to translations of the same article on another wiki. For information on how to set up language links, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Interwiki#Interwiki_links_to_other_languages>
[08:04:21] <chun>	ok thx!
[08:31:21] <CIA-8>	03dale * r44925 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (3 files in 3 dirs): hides out of range flash video so that its in-sync with ogg segment requests
[08:38:13] <mib_wctiqo>	Hello. If I change $wgMetaNamespace, what happens with links to pages in that mainspace? Will they be redirected, automatically fixed, or b
[08:38:19] <mib_wctiqo>	broken?*
[08:38:59] <Splarka>	broken, but you could make the old namespace an alias to the new
[08:39:27] <Splarka>	(but be sure to move them before doing that or they'll be unreachable
[08:39:32] <mib_wctiqo>	That sounds like a great idea. I assume there is no way to mass fix the old links?
[08:39:47] <mib_wctiqo>	Move them?
[08:40:07] <CIA-8>	03rotem * r44926 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Localization update.
[08:40:17] <Splarka>	there are some scripts in /maintenance
[08:40:17] <Splarka>	not sure what they all do
[08:42:07] <mib_wctiqo>	Okay so assuming I go the alias route, I change $wgMetaNamespace, then create $wgExtraNamespaces, then $wgNamespaceAliases...
[08:42:18] <mib_wctiqo>	Where exactly does the "move" part come into play?
[08:47:03] <Splarka>	maintenance/moveBatch.php hmm
[08:47:16] <Splarka>	mib_wctiqo: not sure exactly, sometime before creating the alias though, I'd imagine
[08:47:39] <mib_wctiqo>	I think internally the pages are stored with a namespace ID
[08:48:02] <mib_wctiqo>	so changing the variable will make all the pages within the namescape automatically accessible through the new name
[08:48:03] <Splarka>	yep, but if you give them an inaccessable name they can't be reached in the software, not even to move them
[08:48:22] <mib_wctiqo>	It's just the links to them will be broken... 
[08:48:28] <Splarka>	(of course, you can create the new namespace and aliases first, but then you can't reach them except by database manipultation)
[08:49:02] <mib_wctiqo>	why not?
[08:49:06] <Splarka>	((well, in theory, if you do things wrong))
[08:49:13] <bawolff>	[I get confused between #wikimedia-tech and here. forgive me if this is wrong place] On english wikinews, I can't see the edit toolbar. I think this is because there is no div with the id toolbar, which is needed by the javascript.. (however when i'm not logged in, it is there, and toolbar works fine)
[08:49:14] <mib_wctiqo>	I can reach them by their new name?
[08:50:53] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Notification message on page move is wrong - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16766 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Email; (mail)
[08:50:58] <mib_wctiqo>	Let's assume the old namespace was called "OldNs". So for example I had "OldNs:Contact". Now I change the $wg... to "NewNs", so the Contact page will be available under "NewNs:Contact". Then I create a new alias that links "OldNs" to "NewNs". Where am I thinking wrong?
[08:52:34] <mib_wctiqo>	All the links in the pages which go [[OldNs:Contact]] will be redirected to /NewNs:Contact.
[08:53:55] <mib_wctiqo>	Maybe I shall just try it, haha. But I am not sure if I can mess things up horribly by changing the variables, and I'm not in the mood for restoring from backup
[08:54:01] <Splarka>	'so the Contact page will be available under "NewNs:Contact"', I don't think that does that, I think all the OldNs: pages remain at their old names and enter the main namespace (but I could be wrong, the software has changed a lot), there is probably a maintenance script to do this though
[08:54:55] <mib_wctiqo>	"Each namespace has a corresponding namespace index. Within the database, the title is split into namespace index and text title, and this is used for storage in the page.page_namespace and page.page_title columns, among others."
[08:55:03] <mib_wctiqo>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Namespace
[08:55:20] <Splarka>	so try it, see what happens
[08:55:28] <mib_wctiqo>	hhaa uegghhrhgg...
[08:56:56] <Splarka>	the main problem in this regard comes from creating namespaces where there were already pages with a matching title... like say you had a page [[NewNS:Foo]] before creating NewNS namespace or alias
[08:57:21] <Splarka>	(or interwiki, or interlanguage, etc)
[08:57:50] <mib_wctiqo>	mm
[09:05:00] <mib_wctiqo>	I am too scared
[09:05:01] <mib_wctiqo>	hah
[09:32:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) exclamation mark on RC - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16724  (10JSchulz_4587)
[09:49:14] <metheocrite>	Is there a way to translate a menu (something in the left boxes) ? The only extention i found was translate, but it only adds a "translation" tab.
[09:50:57] <Splarka>	you mean like the sidebar? navigation/search/toolbox?
[09:52:25] <metheocrite>	Yes, but mainly for the curstom boxes.
[09:52:46] <alexfill>	hi everyone
[09:53:05] <alexfill>	can anybody help me with http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Calendar_%28Barrylb%29#Adding_a_calendar_event this calendar?
[09:54:03] <metheocrite>	Splarka: I mean for the "MediaWiki:Sidebar" page actually. Sorry if i wasn't clear
[09:54:33] <alexfill>	i am trying to add the calendar to the sidebar
[09:55:50] <Splarka>	metheocrite: the text of links in the sidebar should translate automatically, at least for default items in the navigation link, like **mainpage|mainpage
[09:56:18] <Splarka>	what that does is reference MediaWiki:Mainpage for the link (only translated to content language) and then MediaWiki:Mainpage/xx where xx is the user language for the text
[09:59:13] <Splarka>	(and you can add more, create for example: **something-url|something  and create MediaWiki:Something-url for the link (not translated) and MediaWiki:Something with the text, and then MediaWiki:Something/en english, MediaWiki:Something/fr for french, MediaWiki:Something/de for german, etc
[10:08:08] <metheocrite>	Splarka: you mean generate indexes for each link ? But in this case, the menu will still be in one unstranslated language, right ?
[10:09:24] <Splarka>	you want a completely different menu for some languages?
[10:11:18] <thisisengage>	hello
[10:11:52] <thisisengage>	*cricket*
[10:11:57] <metheocrite>	Yes, I intend to make the wiki accessible to people that don't speak french, especially the menu. First, I'd like to translate everything in English, then later let people translate in other languages. 
[10:12:51] <thisisengage>	is anyone aware of how you can change the default red link that denotes a new article to a different color in mediawiki? ive edited a number of css files and no luck as of yet
[10:13:09] <Splarka>	metheocrite: wait, to clarify... you want different text for each menuitem link, or seriously, a completely different set of links in a different order and even different numbers of links, for each language?
[10:13:19] <alexfill>	can anyone help me with the calendar plugin?
[10:13:21] <alexfill>	please
[10:13:34] <metheocrite>	I know I should probably rather build up a wiki farm with interwiki links, but right now, we reached a size quite important with 2 main languages and 2 other languages. So migrating would require a lot of energy and we lack time and volunteers :/
[10:14:31] <Splarka>	metheocrite: well, it sounds to me like it already does what you want already, but if you want to do the extreme version, then you can add 'Sidebar' to $wgForceUIMsgAsContentMsg
[10:14:35] <Splarka>	(I think)
[10:14:44] <metheocrite>	Splarka: [same links, different names] or [different links, different names] both are acceptable. The pages contain links between languages.
[10:15:16] <Splarka>	thisisengage: check skins/monobook/main.css  for a.new, but don't edit it, edit a PAGE (not a file) on the wiki called MediaWiki:Monobook.css
[10:15:24] <Splarka>	for example, a.new {color:#ff00ff;}
[10:15:34] <metheocrite>	Splarka: thank you very much for the information, i'm gonna check this and try to make it work.
[10:15:43] <Splarka>	metheocrite: "[same links, different names]"  is what it already does
[10:15:51] <Splarka>	say you have...
[10:16:04] <thisisengage>	i edited both main.css under the monobook directory in my ftp, i also went into my wiki and edited MediaWiki:Monobook.css
[10:16:15] <Splarka>	**Project:Somepage|Some page
[10:16:17] <thisisengage>	other link colors have changed successfully, stub, visited, etc
[10:16:19] <thisisengage>	but not new
[10:16:22] <Splarka>	this won't translate
[10:17:09] <Splarka>	but if you change it to **Somepage-url|Somepage and create MediaWiki:Somepage and translate families: MediaWiki:Somepage/xx for each language you translate to, it will do this, with no modification to settings, out of the box
[10:17:25] <Splarka>	thisisengage: it should, try !important maybe, check syntax, clear cache, etc
[10:17:40] <Splarka>	editing the /skins/ files makes upgrading harder (so should be avoided)
[10:18:00] <thisisengage>	agh, so you shouldnt edit the css files within ftp? :(
[10:18:30] <Splarka>	heh, with notepad, ssh, pico, vi, edlin, or anything...
[10:18:44] <Splarka>	most wiki installations have to upgrade sooner or later, and while there is some measure of merging possible, manual merging is never fun
[10:19:05] <Splarka>	and most (if not all) CSS can be edited on the wiki, as CSS cascades nicely (part of the name)
[10:19:19] <Splarka>	(some exceptions are things like IEfixes)
[10:19:50] <metheocrite>	Splarka: errrr. Ok I don't get it, but you seems to be really sure that it's the solution. I'll keep the log and watch this later when i'll have some time and when i'll be less tired. Thanks again. I hope, I won't have to bother you again for this issue.
[10:20:03] <Splarka>	all you have to do is copy your changes to MediaWiki:Monobook.css (for monobook/main.css) and Common.css (for anything in /common/) and then restore the original files from the install or from svn
[10:20:24] <Splarka>	metheocrite: well, maybe give me an example I can show you how to do?
[10:20:42] <Splarka>	like, a real page you link to in the sidebar (not part of the default sidebar) and some names for it?
[10:21:41] <metheocrite>	Splarka: sure http://www.laquadrature.net/wiki/Main_Page and IIRC http://www.laquadrature.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Sidebar isn't protected.
[10:22:11] <thisisengage>	what is important?
[10:22:16] <thisisengage>	err !important
[10:22:22] <metheocrite>	The menu should be in your broswer language, I installed Language Selector.
[10:23:51] <metheocrite>	Splarka: for instance, I'd like to display "HADOPI/"graduated answer"" instead of "HADOPI/"Riposte graduée"" for people that have mediawiki set in english in their preferences of that have ACCEPT_LANGUAGE in en in their browser
[10:24:16] <Splarka>	metheocrite: that namespace is always protected
[10:24:24] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Anons w/o edit permissions can' t see multiple uses of references - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16767 04CRIT; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Cite; (dan)
[10:24:59] <metheocrite>	Splarka: Oh yes, of course, I should have guessed. Then do you need me to paste the source somewhere ?
[10:25:08] <alexfill>	i add <?php $this->msgWiki( 'Leftnav' ) ?> </div> to my sidebar but i cannot add content to MediaWiki:Leftnav
[10:25:13] <alexfill>	whats the problem with that?
[10:26:10] <Splarka>	metheocrite: no I can see it, notice this: 
[10:26:15] <Splarka>	http://www.laquadrature.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Sidebar?uselang=fr  vs http://www.laquadrature.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Sidebar?uselang=en
[10:26:35] <Splarka>	thisisengage: a.new {color:#ff00ff !important;} overrides all other CSS that is later, more specific, or even inline
[10:26:58] <thisisengage>	ah ok
[10:27:15] <Splarka>	the only things changing are the 3 under navigation
[10:27:27] <Splarka>	because the link texts refer to messages instead of literal text
[10:28:15] <Splarka>	so per your example, change:
[10:28:15] <Splarka>	* HADOPI/"Riposte gradu�e"
[10:28:33] <Splarka>	to something like:
[10:28:39] <Splarka>	* graduatedanswer
[10:28:59] <Splarka>	then, go and create MediaWiki:Gradudatedanswer with contents > HADOPI/"graduated answer"
[10:29:15] <Splarka>	er, well, actually > "HADOPI/"Riposte graduée"
[10:29:24] <Splarka>	and then create MediaWiki:Gradudatedanswer/en with the english version, etc
[10:31:12] <Splarka>	hmm, but the content language is en...
[10:31:28] <thisisengage>	a, a.external, a.new, a.stub {
[10:31:29] <thisisengage>		color: black ! important;
[10:31:29] <thisisengage>		text-decoration: none ! important;
[10:31:29] <thisisengage>	}
[10:31:30] <thisisengage>	a, a.external, a.new, a.stub {
[10:31:30] <thisisengage>		color: inherit ! important;
[10:31:31] <thisisengage>		text-decoration: inherit ! important;
[10:31:33] <thisisengage>	}
[10:31:36] <Splarka>	arg
[10:31:37] <thisisengage>	in these lines it doesnt use hex
[10:31:40] <Splarka>	don't spam, pastebin
[10:31:41] <thisisengage>	can i input hex?
[10:31:43] <thisisengage>	sorry-
[10:31:57] <thisisengage>	i have never used IRC before
[10:32:03] <Splarka>	yah, just change 'black' to '#000000'
[10:32:15] <Splarka>	or even an rgb() call if you wanted, but hex is easier
[10:32:29] <thisisengage>	do i keep ! important
[10:32:42] <thisisengage>	if im changing to another color
[10:33:18] <Splarka>	why are you doing both of these...
[10:33:34] <Splarka>	I think the second block will cancel the changes made in the first
[10:33:50] <Splarka>	(depending on the parent)
[10:33:58] <Splarka>	what do you want, all links black with no underlines?
[10:34:01] <metheocrite>	Splarka: I created http://www.laquadrature.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Gradudatedanswer/en and http://www.laquadrature.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Gradudatedanswer but in the menu I keep seeing "Graduatedanswer".
[10:34:14] <thisisengage>	oh... im just going through every css file called on in the html and changing the color to the blue link i want for a.new links
[10:34:16] <metheocrite>	Even with ?userlang=en or fr
[10:34:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Anons w/o edit permissions can' t see multiple uses of references - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16767  (10dan)
[10:34:46] <metheocrite>	I feel like i'm being stupid asking dumb questions -_-
[10:35:01] <Splarka>	metheocrite: ahh, well, create both of those in english, I didn't realize your content language was english
[10:35:13] <Splarka>	and then create http://www.laquadrature.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Gradudatedanswer/fr the french version here
[10:35:16] <Splarka>	etc
[10:36:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Corrupt protections in page_restrictions table - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16629  (10roan.kattouw)
[10:37:07] <Splarka>	metheocrite: because you have $wgLanguageCode = 'en'; you should really have everything in english in the root message, and then put the translations into /xx subpages. (or change the language code setting)
[10:38:21] <metheocrite>	Splarka: ah ok. But I created the /fr page and I still have "graduatedanswer" in the menu instead of the translation.
[10:39:00] <Splarka>	you mispelt it
[10:39:12] <Splarka>	or I did
[10:39:24] <Splarka>	do what I say, not what I do ^_^
[10:39:36] <metheocrite>	Ah working now :)
[10:39:55] <metheocrite>	Thank you very much, and sorry I made you lost so much time with me.
[10:40:03] <Splarka>	no prob
[10:40:08] <thisisengage>	does commonPrint.css affect anything on the screen, or is that for if the user prints the page or goes to a print friendly page?
[10:40:49] <Splarka>	metheocrite: hmm, not working for me but sometimes it caches, do you see different now with &uselang?
[10:40:50] <metheocrite>	Splarka: one last thing, can I use submenu in the same page, or do I need to create new pages for all lines ?
[10:41:15] <Splarka>	well, you don't need to create new pages for anything you don't need translated
[10:41:21] <Splarka>	but you do for anything you do
[10:41:56] <Splarka>	also, you don't need to create subpages for the links, since they don't translate (but you can make them translate if you want, per $wgForceUIMsgAsContentMsg... for example, if you had $wgForceUIMsgAsContentMsg for 'mainpage' you'd have a different link to main page for every user language)
[10:42:08] <Splarka>	((confused yet))
[10:42:15] <Splarka>	thisisengage: just printable and actual printing
[10:42:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Anons w/ o edit permissions have problem with references if gallery tag is used. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16767  summary (10dan)
[10:42:45] <thisisengage>	hmmm, checking the actual html source code now for a page showing 'new' links and this is puzzling...... "<a href="/wiki/index.php?title=Marriage&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1""
[10:42:52] <enhydra>	sorry for interrupting, a quick question: have efforts for making Commons pictures available for native use in external wikis ended with something?
[10:43:31] <thisisengage>	what is edit@amp;redlink=1 calling on, that doesnt seem connected to a style sheet
[10:43:38] <Splarka>	thisisengage: should have class="new" too
[10:43:50] <Splarka>	that is just the href, nothing to do with style
[10:44:09] <Splarka>	the redlink=1 paramter means it is a 'redlink' (which is a stupid name, not all missing links are red)
[10:44:14] <thisisengage>	yea it has the class as new, but why would the url have redlink in it if it can be changed
[10:44:15] <Splarka>	^parameter
[10:44:20] <metheocrite>	Splarka: aww, you're right, it doesn't seem to translate anything. And I don't think we're caching anything. But I don't have shell access right now. I'll check later.
[10:44:32] <metheocrite>	Thank you again for your great help.
[10:44:46] <Splarka>	metheocrite: well, try the same on an actual link text, but that there is the theory of how to translate
[10:44:59] <Splarka>	thisisengage: ignore the 'redlink' part, *sigh*
[10:45:09] <Splarka>	Tim-away: I _told_ you redlink was a silly name, but nooooo...
[10:45:16] *Splarka 	glares cutely
[10:45:25] <thisisengage>	silly name indeed
[10:45:33] <Splarka>	thisisengage: lemme overly technical you
[10:46:01] <Splarka>	there are two main ways to get to the action=edit for a missing page.. one is to click [edit] on that page, the other is to click any red link to the page
[10:46:25] <Splarka>	now, sometimes you don't have permission to edit such a page.. protected, banned, wrong namespace, locked DB, insufficient permission...
[10:46:49] <Splarka>	so if the system detects &redlink URI parameter when clicking, it redirects you to a regular view, so you don't feel "yelled at" when you click them innocently
[10:47:10] <Splarka>	if you click [edit] there and are told "omg you can't edit because you suck", then it is your own fault 
[10:47:32] <thisisengage>	well the weird thing.... when i click a new link it automatically changed to blue, as new.visited, so if the new visted color change i made in the css works, why doesnt the regular new?
[10:47:44] <Splarka>	something you're overlooking
[10:48:00] <Splarka>	like an unclosed comment or definition before it, or something more specific or important over-defining it
[10:48:03] <thisisengage>	obviously :(
[10:48:05] <Splarka>	css can be fickle
[10:48:18] <thisisengage>	what is even more fickle is MULTIPLE css files ;)
[10:48:35] <Splarka>	"a.new" can be overrode by a more specific element appearing before it, like "body a.mew
[10:48:41] <Splarka>	a.new" even
[10:49:06] <Splarka>	body a.new {color:red;} a.new {color:green;} -> will be red
[10:49:16] <Splarka>	body a.new {color:red;} a.new {color:green !important;} -> will be green
[10:51:14] <thisisengage>	ill try that
[10:56:11] <thisisengage>	alright, ill mess with that later because its making my head hurt, i have one other question if you could help me please
[10:59:53] <thisisengage>	actually bleh im going to call it a night
[10:59:56] <thisisengage>	thanks for your help sir
[11:12:17] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Lists in image captions are not displayed as lists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16768 major; normal; MediaWiki: Images; (hofmanj)
[11:16:04] <yoyo[RKN]>	after update from 1.6 to 1.13 the toolbar above edit window does not appear anymore in our skin
[11:21:57] <yoyo[RKN]>	somehow mwEditButtons is not defined
[11:30:27] <CIA-8>	03vyznev * r44927 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/parserTests.txt: Fix tests after r44896: s/<a name="([^"]+)"><\/a>/<a name="$1" id="$1"><\/a>/g
[11:40:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wikitext in image captions displayed as plaintext - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16768  normal->high;  +need-parsertest; summary; +comment (10danny.b)
[11:44:24] <yellowParrot>	when transclude Template:Food in my page Pizza, and modify Pizza, the Template:Food in getting changed! Is this how it's supposed to work?
[11:45:10] <yellowParrot>	when I transclude Template:Food in my page Pizza, and then modify Pizza, the Template:Food is getting changed! Is this how it's supposed to work?
[11:51:31] <OverlordQ>	that doesn't really make sense, but no.
[11:56:27] <yellowParrot>	OverloadQ - thanks, that was just an analogy i could think of to quicly summarize my issue - basically, i want to add some structure to similar articles, say 'all us presidents' and want to provide a structure for article editors to fill in for say Bush. Clinton and Obama
[11:58:04] <yellowParrot>	i want to add common sections like 'childhood', 'education', 'personal', 'policies' etc.
[11:58:15] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) 19 parserTests fail if anon editing of NS_MAIN is disabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16769 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Maintenance scripts; (nospam)
[11:59:52] <CIA-8>	03raymond * r44928 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
[11:59:52] <CIA-8>	* (bug 13835) Fix rendering of {{filepath:Wiki.png|nowiki}}
[11:59:52] <CIA-8>	Patch by Olaf Lenz
[12:11:29] <Isb1009>	hello
[12:11:39] <werdnum>	hi!
[12:14:11] <Isb1009>	I was going to add a new functionality to the extension I created [[Extension:Piwik Integration]], so I downloaded the latest trunk of the extension just in case. The thing is that the i18n of the extension isn't working now :S
[12:17:43] <Isb1009>	Since I don't know MW very deeply, I also don't know why the i18n isn't working
[12:19:40] <werdnum>	What changes have you made?
[12:19:54] <werdnum>	And can you be more specific than 'isn't working'?
[12:22:35] <Isb1009>	I haven't made any changes yet because of the problem. The problem is that instead of showing the localized version of the strings on the special page, it shows the system message
[12:24:51] <Isb1009>	Just a note, I'm using MW 1.14 alpha
[12:25:51] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) {{filepath:Wiki. png|nowiki}} renders wrong with the new parser PP - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13835  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[12:31:08] <Isb1009_away>	I'll be here in a few minutes
[12:40:26] <siebrand>	Over 15,000 commits in the MediaWiki Subversion repo in 2008. That's a lot...
[12:40:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) number translation for MessagesArz.php - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16469  +comment (10hossam_kandil)
[12:40:56] <werdnum>	Yeah, about a third of all commits so far.
[12:44:40] <sphenxes01>	I would like to back my mediawiki. what should i backup? is it enough to backup mysql file?
[12:48:24] <asoidhgdsg>	does having lots of comments on a page make it heavier?
[12:50:27] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) number translation for MessagesArz.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16469  +comment (10siebrand)
[13:03:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) {{#language:... }} should support variable language **output** as well as input (CLDR) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16699  +comment (10siebrand)
[13:05:04] <Isb1009>	I'm here again
[13:06:07] <werdnum>	Which extension is the problem with?
[13:07:05] <Isb1009>	Piwik Integration
[13:07:27] <Isb1009>	(trunk/extensions/Piwik/)
[13:07:41] <werdnum>	I don't know anything about that extension. You should mail its maintainer.
[13:08:51] <siebrand>	Isb1009: I found the issue
[13:08:56] <Isb1009>	Well, the thing is I'm its mantainer, but since an update someone else did for 1.14 compatibility the i18n isn't working
[13:09:01] <Isb1009>	thanks, siebrand
[13:09:05] <siebrand>	Isb1009: wfLoadExtensionMessages() is missing; I'll fit it within a few mins
[13:10:55] <Isb1009>	siebrand: just tell me where it goes and I'll add it because I want to add a new functionality
[13:11:16] <siebrand>	Isb1009: best grab the new version from trunk in a minute.
[13:11:59] <Isb1009>	ok
[13:13:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Anons w/ o edit permissions have problem with references if gallery tag is used. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16767  (10dan)
[13:13:41] <CIA-59>	03siebrand * r44930 10/trunk/extensions/Piwik/ (Piwik.php Piwik_specialpage.php): 
[13:13:41] <CIA-59>	* add wfLoadExtensionMessages() to make i18n work
[13:13:41] <CIA-59>	* bump version to RC2
[13:13:41] <CIA-59>	* processed by stylize.php
[13:13:48] <siebrand>	Isb1009: ^^
[13:16:19] <siebrand>	Isb1009: after enhancing, submitting a patch to bugzilla.wikimedia.org would be highly appreciated, of course ;)
[13:18:00] <Isb1009>	thanks, siebrand
[13:18:06] <siebrand>	np
[13:19:01] <Isb1009>	the enhacement will be an option in LocalSettings.php to choose if the SpecialPage is available or not. Using a simple condition would be ok?
[13:23:31] <Isb1009>	siebrand: I can't find Piwik in MediaWiki extensions inside bugzilla
[13:23:47] <siebrand>	Isb1009: your patch is already done?
[13:24:16] <siebrand>	Isb1009: then you might as well dcc it to me, or mail...
[13:24:50] <Isb1009>	I'm still making the patch, but if it works, it'll be ready in less than 10 minutes
[14:23:10] <metheocrite>	I'm experiencing trouble to migrate from 1.9.3 to 1.13.3. According to  http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ#Upgrading , everything more recent than 1.5 should be easy to migrate. Also http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/branches/REL1_13/phase3/UPGRADE?view=markup doesn't mention specificities for mw after 1.8 or 1.9
[14:23:35] <metheocrite>	Still I have a problem with update.php : http://paste.debian.net/24303/
[14:24:52] <CIA-59>	03vyznev * r44931 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/parserTests.inc: (bug 16769) reset $wgNamespaceProtection to default value before running parser tests
[14:25:15] <metheocrite>	If I create the missing table (recentchanges as defined in maintenance/tables.sql), this error disappear, but it fails on another table (links) with is not defined in tables.sql.
[14:25:22] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) 19 parserTests fail if anon editing of NS_MAIN is disabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16769  +comment (10nospam)
[14:25:31] <metheocrite>	Any ideas/clues of what I should do or what I did wrong ?
[14:42:48] <hausgeist>	moin
[14:49:14] <siebrand>	Isb1009: can I use your real name in credits for the Piwik commit, or rather not?
[14:52:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) number translation for MessagesArz.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16469  +comment (10emoce)
[14:58:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) number translation for MessagesArz.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16469  (10siebrand)
[14:59:07] <CIA-59>	03siebrand * r44932 10/trunk/extensions/Piwik/ (Piwik.php Piwik_specialpage.php README): 
[14:59:07] <CIA-59>	* Users can set which usergroups can see the special page using $wgGroupPermissions['usergroup']['viewpiwik'] = true;
[14:59:07] <CIA-59>	* bumped version
[14:59:07] <CIA-59>	Patch by Isb1009
[15:03:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) number translation for MessagesArz.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16469  (10emoce)
[15:05:05] <Isb1009>	siebrand: yes, you can use my real name
[15:09:06] <CIA-59>	03ialex * r44933 10/trunk/extensions/Maintenance/Maintenance.i18n.php: Use PLURAL in maintenance-sql-res since it accepts it
[15:17:53] <siebrand>	Isb1009: too late, see r44932
[15:20:56] <Isb1009>	siebrand: I see, but doesn't matter
[15:32:22] <milhouse>	Howdy y'all!
[15:33:16] <milhouse>	I have a quick PHP/MediaWiki question.  We are getting an occasional problem with MediaWiki where it generates a "No input file specified" error
[15:33:41] <milhouse>	I've traced it to a problem between IIS 6.0 and the PHP engine.
[15:34:02] <milhouse>	Has anyone come across this issue before?
[15:34:52] <milhouse>	I think PHP is configured right because MediaWiki is working right most of the time.
[15:35:54] <milhouse>	Obviously I've tried Googling the issue, but the results are generally related to initial configuration.
[15:38:59] <milhouse>	I guess not then?
[15:48:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Make it so when an attempt is made to save an edit with a blacklisted site the source is shown - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16757  (10alejrb)
[15:48:36] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Added tag-cloud for Subcats in Header - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16770 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic Drilldown; (mediawiki)
[15:51:57] <CIA-59>	03yaron * r44934 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_Utils.inc: New utility class
[15:53:09] <CIA-59>	03yaron * r44935 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_LinkUtils.inc: New utility class for linking to pages and forms
[15:54:53] <CIA-59>	03yaron * r44936 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_GlobalFunctions.php: Removed all global functions, which have now been moved into other classes
[15:56:20] <CIA-59>	03yaron * r44937 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/specials/SF_CreateCategory.php: Global functions have been moved into other classes
[15:56:42] <CIA-59>	03siebrand * r44938 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (52 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-12-23 16:47 CET)
[15:56:57] <Isb1009>	bye!
[15:57:21] <CIA-59>	03yaron * r44939 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/specials/SF_AddData.php: Global functions have been moved to other classes
[15:58:08] <CIA-59>	03yaron * r44940 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/specials/SF_AddPage.php: Global functions have been moved to other classes
[16:03:28] <CIA-59>	03yaron * r44941 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/specials/SF_CreateTemplate.php: 
[16:03:28] <CIA-59>	Global functions have been moved to other classes (including one moved to this
[16:03:28] <CIA-59>	one), handling of property names simplified
[16:05:26] <CIA-59>	03yaron * r44942 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/specials/ (4 files): Global functions moved to other classes
[16:07:32] <CIA-59>	03yaron * r44943 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_TemplateField.inc: 'semantic_field_call' field replaced with simplified 'semantic_property' field
[16:12:06] <siebrand>	wee, big commit :)
[16:12:29] <CIA-59>	03siebrand * r44944 10/trunk/extensions/ (232 files in 188 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-12-23 16:47 CET)
[16:12:54] <CIA-59>	03yaron * r44945 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_ParserFunctions.php: Turned into a class, SFParserFunctions
[16:14:45] <CIA-59>	03yaron * r44946 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormInputs.inc: 
[16:14:45] <CIA-59>	Global functions moved to other classes, fixed single-quote handling for
[16:14:45] <CIA-59>	autocompletion values
[16:17:38] <CIA-59>	03yaron * r44947 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormEditTab.php: 
[16:17:38] <CIA-59>	Turned into a class, 'SFFormEditTab', and added 'displayForm' method, formerly
[16:17:38] <CIA-59>	a global function
[16:20:50] <CIA-59>	03yaron * r44948 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormUtils.inc: Added getMonthNames() method, formerly a global function
[16:22:15] <CIA-59>	03yaron * r44949 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormPrinter.inc: 
[16:22:15] <CIA-59>	Added 'year' input type and 'values from category' and 'values from concept'
[16:22:15] <CIA-59>	field parameters; fixed handling of field names with spaces in them
[16:23:20] <mvatki>	I'm trying to figure out while thumbnailing with imagemagick isn't working on my wiki. What are some reasons why the passthru function is 'unable to fork'?
[16:23:46] <mvatki>	*while=>why
[16:26:57] <CIA-59>	03ialex * r44950 10/trunk/extensions/Maintenance/Maintenance_body.php: 
[16:26:57] <CIA-59>	* Use $this->getTitle() rather than Title::makeTitle() to get a title object for the local page
[16:26:57] <CIA-59>	* Use the Linker to make links
[16:26:57] <CIA-59>	* Swicthed some input generation to use methods from the Xml class
[16:26:58] <CIA-59>	* Fixed XHTML error
[16:26:58] <CIA-59>	* Fixed PHP fatal error in changePassword script
[16:27:01] <CIA-59>	* Spacing tweaks
[16:28:02] <CIA-59>	03yaron * r44951 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormPrinter.inc: Fixed typos
[16:30:05] <CIA-59>	03yaron * r44952 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/ (3 files): Global functions moved to other classes
[16:32:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) number translation for MessagesArz.php - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16469  +comment (10bassiouny.ahmed)
[16:33:50] <CIA-59>	03yaron * r44953 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/INSTALL: New version: 1.4
[16:36:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) number translation for MessagesArz.php - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16469  (10bassiouny.ahmed)
[16:51:17] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) BiDi interfearence between subcategory names, paranthesises and counters - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16771 trivial; normal; MediaWiki: Categories; (gangleri)
[16:51:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RTL/bidirectional issues (tracking) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745  (10gangleri)
[16:54:29] <Nikerabbit>	wth is null string and why should such term be exposed in error message?
[16:55:37] <CIA-59>	03yaron * r44954 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormClasses.inc: Added 'year' to suggested input types for Date fields
[16:57:30] <CIA-59>	03yaron * r44955 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/languages/SF_LanguageDe.php: Typo fix for 'alternate form' property
[17:02:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) External link icons are not displayed for RTL in Monobook - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16502   +patch; +comment (10siebrand)
[17:04:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) External link icons are not displayed for RTL in Monobook - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16502  +comment (10brion)
[17:05:26] <siebrand>	brion-codereview: that's not code review! :)
[17:05:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) External link icons are not displayed for RTL in Monobook - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16502  (10brion)
[17:05:44] <brion-codereview>	cf also bug 3956
[17:06:16] <brion-codereview>	hmm
[17:06:27] <brion-codereview>	should the "powered by mediawiki" icon point to Special:Version instead of www.mediawiki.org?
[17:09:45] <buzz_>	brion-codereview, is there a reason the special pages have a different footer than normal pages? and if so, could it be an option. i would like the same footer around my site. and not a minimal one on special pages
[17:09:45] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) error when uploading soundfiles with a space in them - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2665  +comment (10brion)
[17:10:15] <brion-codereview>	buzz_: non-content pages don't show some of the extra stuff in the footer that's not relevant
[17:10:19] <brion-codereview>	like "last updated at bla bla"
[17:11:18] <buzz_>	but ti doesnt show the copyright system message
[17:11:24] <buzz_>	which could be relevent.. it is on my site
[17:12:57] <buzz_>	i use that to also display some extra information too, without editing the skin
[17:13:00] <brion-codereview>	anybody want to poke this issue? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:VPT#Image_does_not_display.2C_rather_attempts_to_download
[17:13:26] <brion-codereview>	upload filename normalization seems to not quite handle things correctly with spaces in extension
[17:13:48] <brion-codereview>	(force the dest filename to end in ". jpg" when uploading)
[17:14:15] <buzz_>	erm, the problem is surely hte web server sending non jpeg mime type
[17:14:19] <buzz_>	looks like it
[17:14:27] <buzz_>	and thats because the file isnt named correctly
[17:14:35] <brion-codereview>	buzz_: that's because the file extension is "._jpg" which is unrecognized by the server :)
[17:14:46] <buzz_>	exactly
[17:14:48] <CIA-59>	03ialex * r44956 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/diff/DifferenceEngine.php): 
[17:14:48] <CIA-59>	* Like r44911 but for MediaWiki:Difference message: switching from raw HTML to wiki text
[17:14:48] <CIA-59>	* Whitespaces tweaks
[17:14:49] <buzz_>	and why shoul dit be
[17:14:51] <brion-codereview>	but that shouldn't have been allowed by the uploader
[17:14:54] <brion-codereview>	because it's a bug? :)
[17:14:57] <buzz_>	oh i see
[17:15:05] <buzz_>	the file shouldnt have been allowed
[17:15:28] <buzz_>	i thought you were referring to the web servers behaviour as the bug sorry :)
[17:17:09] <PsiPro>	Can anyone direct me to docs for adding a user-setting to mediawiki?
[17:17:13] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special:Upload isn' t normalizing spaces in file extension correctly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16772 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Uploading; (brion)
[17:26:01] <Simetrical>	Xorg is using 1.4 GB of resident memory.  That seems wrong, somehow.
[17:26:21] <Simetrical>	Probably related to how I have about a million tabs open from Splarka's bloody website that he had to give me.
[17:26:35] <PsiPro>	Could do it
[17:26:53] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) "Appeal from Jimmy" notice text overflows box with large fonts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16773 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralNotice; (brion)
[17:27:58] <brion-codereview>	heh
[17:28:10] <brion-codereview>	PsiPro: not sure there's any good docs per se :P
[17:28:44] <PsiPro>	Well I've been messing with mw long enough to know that.... :)
[17:28:47] <brion-codereview>	poke around at extensions... mebbe check Gadgets for a fun one, it adds a whole prefs tab
[17:29:15] <PsiPro>	kk thanks
[17:30:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) After the spam blacklist blocks an edit, show the edit form akin to edit conflicts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16757  summary; +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[17:31:00] *Simetrical 	closes Firefox and watches his memory usage drop by >2 GB RAM and a few hundred MB swap
[17:35:18] <CIA-59>	03brion * r44957 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/ForeignAPIFile.php: Show icon instead of exploding for a remote API file we don't have a local handler class for...
[17:35:27] <brion-codereview>	why does an update to digital camera raw compatibility for iphoto require i reboot my mac? crazy apple :P
[17:35:58] <Pinky>	I never update iphoto or imovie :P
[17:37:35] <PsiPro>	*hmm must find an extension that adds a user option...
[17:53:48] <CIA-59>	03yaron * r44958 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/specials/SF_AddPage.php: Fixed typo
[17:58:36] <CIA-59>	03brion * r44959 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ImagePage.php: Cleanup for r44700 -- work on a clone of $wgTitle instead of modifying the fragment on the global object, which interferes with some other generated links outside the pager.
[17:58:47] *brion-codereview 	gets more coffee!
[18:08:46] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) feed=rss: bodies sometimes included, and if so bodies of other pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7902  (10jidanni)
[18:08:58] <CIA-59>	03brion * r44960 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (5 files): 
[18:08:58] <CIA-59>	Revert r44702, r44703, r44704 (wfInvoke and UserMailer refactor based on it) and r44715, r44721 (cleanup thereof)
[18:08:58] <CIA-59>	As Tim notes, the weird callback setup in $wgHooks isn't really something we
[18:08:58] <CIA-59>	want to replicate or ever rely on ever again, as PHP's native callback syntax
[18:08:58] <CIA-59>	already handles things fine and is more consistent (and used extensively in the
[18:09:01] <CIA-59>	rest of MediaWiki).
[18:09:03] <CIA-59>	May be other remaining issues with the refactor on top of bugs already discovered, but if it's going to be refactored to use callbacks it should be done using regular callbacks.
[18:25:14] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Save CodeReview diffs to database instead of transitory cache - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16774 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CodeReview; (brion)
[18:27:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Upload isn' t normalizing spaces in file extension correctly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16772  (10herd)
[18:27:59] <Splarka>	bah, why does <wikibugs> add a space to random parts of the summary... 
[18:28:11] <MZMcBride>	Bad regex?
[18:28:29] <brion-codereview>	Splarka: is it random, or is that where bugzilla breaks it in the mail?
[18:29:12] <Splarka>	well, you see there the apostrophe^
[18:29:27] <Splarka>	and this bug: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16129  spaces after the second colon
[18:29:44] <MZMcBride>	"Anons w/ o edit .." from earlier.
[18:29:46] <Splarka>	not enough info to tell if it is random
[18:29:51] <MZMcBride>	It added a space after the /
[18:30:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Upload isn' t normalizing spaces in file extension correctly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16772  (10brion)
[18:30:53] <PowerPyx>	Hi
[18:31:29] <Nikerabbit>	ho ho
[18:32:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Upload isn' t normalizing spaces in file extension correctly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16772  +comment (10charlottethewebb)
[18:32:34] <brion-codereview>	Subject: [Bug 16772] Special:Upload isn'
[18:32:34] <brion-codereview>	 t normalizing spaces in file extension correctly
[18:32:44] <Splarka>	step 1: want br*on's attenion but don't want to "bug" him. step 2: complain offhandedly about some small stylistic anomoly in the wikibugs module. step 3: get br*on's attenion!
[18:32:45] <brion-codereview>	yep, bugzilla is breaking it there in the mail
[18:32:59] *Splarka 	pats self on back
[18:33:31] <Nikerabbit>	4: Profit!
[18:33:32] <PowerPyx>	after upgrading from 1.11.1 to 1.13.3 registered users can't login anymore. IE says Error 500. FF delievers white empty page - any help apriciated (and if possible preferred in german ^^)
[18:33:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Upload isn' t normalizing spaces in file extension correctly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16772  (10herd)
[18:35:31] <siebrand>	brion-codereview: do you have an ETA on finishing code review? (like with in 2, 4, 8 hours). I'll do a last minute l10n update.
[18:36:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Anons w/ o edit permissions have problem with references if gallery tag is used. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16767  +comment (10nakonwiki)
[18:37:57] <brion-codereview>	siebrand: will take most of the day i suppose :)
[18:38:18] <Nikerabbit>	mmm
[18:38:27] <Nikerabbit>	which time zone and when does the sun set? :D
[18:38:42] <brion-codereview>	PowerPyx: enable PHP's error display or error logging, and then check the error messages
[18:38:48] <siebrand>	brion-codereview: yeah. If the increase of commits keeps on happening like it did last year, you'll not be able to review a week's commits in a day soon, I guess. If it is at all possible even at the moment.
[18:39:26] <brion-codereview>	siebrand: that's why we've got CodeReview ext. ;) it's already a lot easier with this in, and it'll be easier to formally split up the review load
[18:39:26] <siebrand>	brion-codereview: I checked earlier today: there will have been 16k commits in 2008 by the end of next week.
[18:39:29] <Splarka>	if it goes up 33% every year...
[18:39:34] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Special:BookSources link to Angus&Robertson broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16102  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[18:39:36] <brion-codereview>	will want to make a few more workflow improvements on it i think
[18:39:37] <Splarka>	well, 50%
[18:39:54] <Splarka>	22,000 in 2009
[18:40:03] <brion-codereview>	most stuff's already had at least a few eyeballs on it before i get to it and i can see that fact now, it helps a lot!
[18:40:06] <siebrand>	Splarka: nice prediction. :)
[18:40:16] <Splarka>	34k in 2010...
[18:40:49] <Nikerabbit>	Profit in 2011
[18:40:50] <siebrand>	Splarka: that is, if there is not going to be a MediaWiki recession :)
[18:40:52] <PowerPyx>	brion-codereview: thank you - i will check that asap.
[18:41:08] <brion-codereview>	PowerPyx: if you have some authentication extension in, check that too -- it may need updating
[18:41:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Upload isn' t normalizing spaces in file extension correctly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16772  (10charlottethewebb)
[18:42:00] <Splarka>	Nikerabbit: 501c!
[18:42:31] <PowerPyx>	brion-codereview: no auth ext installed, pure mediawiki but with fckeditor (updated) and a modified skin. new user registration works btw fine
[18:42:36] <MZMcBride>	Heh.
[18:42:41] <MZMcBride>	Bug comments.
[18:43:16] <Splarka>	well, if Charlotte ever was on IRC we wouldn't need to use bugzilla for IM
[18:43:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Upload isn' t normalizing spaces in file extension correctly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16772  (10brion)
[18:43:29] *Splarka 	friends Charl over BZ
[18:43:31] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: nouu
[18:43:49] <brion-codereview>	heheheh
[18:43:58] <brion-codereview>	i like this idea of turning bugzilla into a social networking site
[18:44:20] *brion-codereview 	sends Splarka a Virtual Beer
[18:44:28] <brion-codereview>	"Allow this Bugzilla application to access your profile info? [Yes/No]"
[18:44:34] *Splarka 	sets it +needs-lime
[18:45:23] <Splarka>	damn, I'm sure there's a bug to make image extensions case-insensitive
[18:45:48] <Splarka>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12992  mayb
[18:45:51] <brion-codereview>	well i think there's one to just not use the damn extensions on the visible name
[18:46:02] <PowerPyx>	hu? bugzilla as a social networking site? so to say that you can post your personal bugs ^^ ?
[18:46:23] <brion-codereview>	can i file bugs about other peoples' personalities?
[18:46:33] <Splarka>	ahh right, caseless
[18:46:35] <MZMcBride>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4421 <-- Visible name extension...
[18:46:37] <Splarka>	heh
[18:46:49] <Splarka>	yah, that'd be awesome
[18:46:58] *brion-codereview 	greets tomaszf with https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16773
[18:47:38] <MZMcBride>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12992 <-- Case sensitive / insensitive file extensions. :-)
[18:47:49] <MZMcBride>	Oh. Beaten. Damn.
[18:47:51] <tomaszf>	hey brion
[18:48:03] <brion-codereview>	how was ice skatin'
[18:48:15] <tomaszf>	have you seen the contribution page today ?
[18:48:37] <brion-codereview>	http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Special:FundraiserStatistics
[18:48:39] <brion-codereview>	that's some hot shit!
[18:48:42] <tomaszf>	:)
[18:49:05] <MZMcBride>	:X
[18:49:17] <tomaszf>	an amazing response to jimmy's message
[18:49:25] *tomaszf 	went right past our best days and doubled them
[18:49:27] <brion-codereview>	i think we can pay your salary now tomaszf 
[18:49:29] <tomaszf>	and then kept going
[18:49:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Upload isn' t normalizing spaces in file extension correctly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16772  (10herd)
[18:49:32] <mdale>	wow that's great :)
[18:49:34] <tomaszf>	mwhahah!
[18:49:50] <MZMcBride>	It's a "we're about to die" message...
[18:50:18] <Splarka>	From those about to Block, we salute you
[18:50:26] <brion-codereview>	next let's try the "donate or we kill this puppy" banner
[18:51:18] <tomaszf>	the server kiddies .. think of the server kiddies 
[18:51:44] <brion-codereview>	the poor indonesian children we exploit to manually stitch together all those page requests?
[18:52:08] <mdale>	hehe
[18:52:37] <Splarka>	http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/2/25/Whack_a_mao.gif  "Can you punch the dictator? click here"
[18:52:56] <brion-codereview>	mwahaha
[18:53:50] <mdale>	hmm I think per-user caches stick around a long time for the banner?.. my banner is still "Wikipedia is there when you need it — now it needs you."
[18:54:08] <mdale>	it does not update until i do a action=purge request
[18:54:11] <brion-codereview>	mdale: it's only in 50% i think, so you'll see other messages still
[18:54:19] <mdale>	oh ic
[18:54:35] <brion-codereview>	the .js file should only cache for 5 minutes client-side
[18:54:40] <brion-codereview>	we hope :D
[18:55:10] <brion-codereview>	(but the .js contains multiple banner variants, which are randomly selected at display time based on a weighted list)
[18:55:12] <simonrvn>	wow @ Special:FundraiserStatistics, that's amazing. good luck with that people. i hope that keeps up.
[18:55:14] <tomaszf>	indeed. its set to 50%
[18:55:25] <tomaszf>	the meters are at 10%
[18:55:32] <tomaszf>	and the quotes at 5%
[18:55:32] <Splarka>	and it sure slows down page loads in high traffic
[18:55:55] <brion-codereview>	Splarka: shouldn't slow down much; it's a static file that's heavily cached just like images
[18:56:01] <Splarka>	(cue Simetrical talking about deserialization)
[18:56:19] <Splarka>	brion: does when my damn browser is 'waiting for upload.wikimedia.org
[18:56:25] <brion-codereview>	:(
[18:56:38] <Splarka>	even with JS disabled, since it is a script src="" ^_^
[18:56:44] <brion-codereview>	hmmm
[18:56:50] <Splarka>	but I am not complaining, I haven't donated
[18:56:50] <brion-codereview>	with JS disabled the browser shouldn't bother fetching it, surely
[18:56:54] <brion-codereview>	:)
[18:56:57] <Splarka>	well, depends on the browser
[18:57:03] <brion-codereview>	well, a non-buggy browser ;)
[18:57:05] <Splarka>	some preload all css/js even if js is disabled
[18:57:12] <Splarka>	IT'S A FEATURE
[18:57:17] <Splarka>	in case you enable js later
[18:57:20] <tomaszf>	hahaha
[18:57:21] <simonrvn>	"feature"
[18:57:30] <tomaszf>	thats funky
[18:57:30] <Splarka>	like the silly firfox feature of pre-dnsing all the links on a page
[18:57:41] <Splarka>	however
[18:57:50] <Splarka>	you could simply obfuscate it by making it instead of an src...
[18:57:58] <Splarka>	<script>importScriptURI()</script>
[18:58:08] <Splarka>	^ lame
[18:58:26] <brion-codereview>	hehe
[18:59:34] <Splarka>	try it in FF3, see if it does it. disable JS and hit a <script src="">, or disable styles and try a css <link>?
[18:59:47] <PowerPyx>	brion-codereview: ok got the prob -- 1.11.1 the specialpages are directly in the includes folder, with 1.13.1 they moved to a subfolder. and now my fault was that i didn't delete the old folder before uploading the new .. i think i will get that fixed :) thanks for the ideas
[19:00:41] <brion-codereview>	:D
[19:03:03] *Splarka 	wonders if text/plain images currently servable on wikimedia are more injection-vulnerable to crap auto-detect content browsers than image MIMEs
[19:03:34] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Number of active users is 100,000 off at en.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16775 minor; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (public)
[19:03:42] <gravyz>	how can I get the namespace id from $editpage ? I'm working on a hook
[19:04:02] <brion-codereview>	Splarka: insofar as something might pass our filters, yes. but that's why we got the filters ;)
[19:04:52] <OverlordQ>	MZMcBride: did you filter to last 30 days?
[19:05:01] <MZMcBride>	OverlordQ: It's the recentchanges table.
[19:05:11] <Skizzerz>	brion-codereview: btw, I'm sorta curious... how many edits is that SimpleAntiSpam extension I wrote stopping? :)
[19:05:14] <OverlordQ>	oh oops :D
[19:05:19] <MZMcBride>	SELECT MIN(rc_timestamp) FROM recentchanges LIMIT 1; == 20081123185801 currently.
[19:05:19] <uberfuzzy>	is there way to use parameters with scary transcluded templates at all? i kinda remember someone telling me how, i dont remember what it was
[19:05:21] <brion-codereview>	Skizzerz: no idea offhand
[19:05:45] <Skizzerz>	so more than 0? :D
[19:06:08] <Splarka>	uberfuzzy: possibly only on subst.. IIRC
[19:06:56] <gravyz>	basically I'm trying to make a hook based off of http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/EditPage::showEditForm:fields but I only want it to modify the page if it's within a certain namespace
[19:06:59] <Splarka>	(most things didn't work, last time I tried anyway, except with subst)
[19:08:29] <brion-codereview>	Skizzerz: is that the one with the extra hidden field? if so it stops more than one might imagine ;) many spambots are dumb...
[19:08:40] <Skizzerz>	yeah, it's that one
[19:09:19] <Skizzerz>	one time I had the idea of a reverse captcha... have a captcha on the page but instruct users to leave it blank
[19:10:09] <OverlordQ>	MZMcBride: how about filtering out bots, anonymous users, etc?
[19:10:53] <OverlordQ>	o wait nm
[19:10:57] <OverlordQ>	filtered out addys
[19:10:59] *OverlordQ 	can't read today
[19:13:32] <Splarka>	gravyz, I think you can just call $wgTitle as global and use $wgTitle->getNamespace()
[19:15:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Number of active users is 100,000 off at en.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16775  +comment (10overlordq)
[19:15:27] <Splarka>	Skizzerz: long ago on Wikia (or even wikicities) there were spam bots bypassing the spam blacklist by the simple expident of not posting any URLs at all (now a common occurence,but new at the time), an Angela hypothesized that these were bots for blog comments misconfigured for wikis, so I told Jason that maybe he should add an empty hidden <input> for a URL field and reject any edits that filled it out
[19:15:44] <Skizzerz>	yeah, I know
[19:16:03] <Splarka>	's that where you got the idea? heh
[19:16:04] <Skizzerz>	I reverse-engineered that extension ;)
[19:16:15] <Skizzerz>	and used a different hook
[19:16:19] <Splarka>	right, so it was _my_ idea
[19:16:23] *Splarka 	sticks out tongue
[19:16:32] <Splarka>	I'm more clever than I thought
[19:16:55] <Skizzerz>	ok, I'll add you to the authors key in $wgExtensionCredits ;)
[19:17:04] <Splarka>	nah, I like being mysterious
[19:17:13] <Skizzerz>	suit yourself
[19:17:24] <Splarka>	I would but I can't tie the sleeves at the back
[19:20:23] <Splarka>	...if no one laughs at my joke I'm going to feed a cute puppy to a cuter puppy :(
[19:21:32] *Pinky 	fake laughs
[19:21:58] *Splarka 	lets puppy go
[19:22:30] *Rappy 	watches the cute puppy get devoured by the ugly puppy around the corner.
[19:22:32] *Rappy 	gasps.
[19:23:30] <MZMcBride>	OverlordQ: If the file is de-duped...
[19:24:49] <MZMcBride>	You think we have 100,000 new accounts that are setting the count off...
[19:25:14] <gravyz>	well, figured out that problem, but for a different one, is it possible to modify another page when saving a page? For example, I'm trying to make a knowledge base namespace. I have an extension that allows you to click "add a knowledgebase article" and it finds the current highest number in the KB list and adds one to get a new one, but when it saves I want it to put a link to it on a different page
[19:26:35] <gravyz>	http://pastebin.com/d23382c5e that's my code so far
[19:26:42] <gravyz>	well, modification of a current extension
[19:31:22] <CIA-59>	03brion * r44961 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Wiki.php: 
[19:31:22] <CIA-59>	Revert r44798 "short-circuit update call"
[19:31:22] <CIA-59>	Article::viewUpdates() may do things other than update counters (for instance,
[19:31:22] <CIA-59>	it updates the user-talk and watchlist for last-viewed status, and might do
[19:31:22] <CIA-59>	other things in the future). Let it centralize its own checks for what things
[19:31:25] <CIA-59>	are enabled. Since you won't necessarily know them all over in Wiki.png, they
[19:31:27] <CIA-59>	may get out of sync and lead to bugs if you try to replicate the check.
[19:32:17] <simonrvn>	are there issues with MW i should be aware of, running it as php-cgi?
[19:32:26] <simonrvn>	or proxied?
[19:34:16] <Dantman|Work>	symlinks perhaps
[19:34:37] <Dantman|Work>	php5.2.4 had an annoying bug for php-cgi if you were using symlinks for files
[19:35:34] <simonrvn>	no, just dirs
[19:37:53] <OverlordQ>	MZMcBride: yea
[19:37:55] <simonrvn>	i keep getting 403 errors from eith apache or lighttpd, and i have no idea why, though i'm starting to suspect the 'badbehavior' extension...
[19:38:38] <CIA-59>	03rotem * r44962 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Localization update.
[19:38:52] <OverlordQ>	MZMcBride: http://toolserver.org/~overlordq/stats.txt
[19:39:14] <CIA-59>	03brion * r44963 10/trunk/phase3/ (includes/OutputPage.php includes/Wiki.php index.php): 
[19:39:14] <CIA-59>	Revert r44801 "Tweaks from profiling"
[19:39:14] <CIA-59>	Mostly seems to be formatting tweaks, loss of useful debug log output, and mysterious unexplained changes.
[19:39:14] <CIA-59>	If some of these tweaks actually are based on profiling data, please provide details, such as "rearranging this call reduces service time from 80ms to 50ms for client cache hits on my machine" or whatever.
[19:39:34] *Simetrical 	has been meaning to talk to Aaron sometime about meaningful commit messages
[19:39:41] *Simetrical 	can't ever figure out what his commits are supposed to actually do
[19:40:06] *simonrvn 	wanders of to try something else
[19:41:24] <simonrvn>	off
[19:45:12] <Michaeltje>	guy's how can it fix that Warning: require(lib/init.php) [function.require]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /iscsi/home/alleslinux/domains/fedora-linux.nl/public_html/tavi/lib/main.php on line 74 ? 
[19:46:09] <OverlordQ>	that seems . . . entirely unrelated to mediawiki O_o
[19:46:10] <CIA-59>	03brion * r44964 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Interwiki.php: 
[19:46:10] <CIA-59>	Revert r44804 "Store negative [interwiki] results in cache"
[19:46:10] <CIA-59>	Caching negative results for a long period would be extremely annoying when adding a new prefix and discovering it doesn't work. Negative cache needs to either be much, much shorter or have a clear easy way to purge it.
[19:47:33] <simonrvn>	indeed, it is badbehavior [sic] erm, misbehaving.
[19:49:06] <Michaeltje>	OverlordQ,  can it be something with authorization?
[19:49:26] <OverlordQ>	Michaeltje: that error messages seems entirely unrelated to mediawiki, so I can't help you there.
[19:54:26] <simonrvn>	it checks UA strings, and IPs, and does some other stuff; since it's being proxied from lighty, the extension thinks it's fake, so denies it.
[19:54:35] *simonrvn 	sighs
[19:56:59] <CIA-59>	03brion * r44965 10/trunk/phase3/includes/WebRequest.php: 
[19:56:59] <CIA-59>	Revert r44817 "Delay $wgContLang unstubbing"
[19:56:59] <CIA-59>	Maintainability alert -- creates duplicate code which could become out of sync!
[20:03:11] *Splarka 	has decided the code no longer has 'revisions', just 'reversions', except they're also reviews.. so... reviewrsions?
[20:13:28] <Simetrical>	Splarka, thank you for wasting six hours of my time that I should have spent being productive, by the way.
[20:13:33] <Simetrical>	I hope you're pleased with yourself.  >:(
[20:15:16] *Splarka 	would be but is stuck opening tabs
[20:15:22] <Splarka>	(keeps pulling me back in
[20:15:42] <Simetrical>	Splarka, Firefox was using more than 2 GB of memory at one point.
[20:15:53] <Simetrical>	I had so many tabs open I was swapping.
[20:16:36] <OverlordQ>	Yea, I gotta restart FF like every few hours
[20:16:55] <Simetrical>	Maybe Chrome would be better.
[20:17:29] <Splarka>	TheVoiceless leads to TheSpeechless to HeWhoMustNotBeHeard to TheQuietOne to HeroicMime
[20:18:07] <Splarka>	damn, this wiki engine sucks, camelcase sucks, half the markup code is the opposite of mediawiki
[20:26:49] <CIA-59>	03ialex * r44966 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/CodeReview.i18n.php: Fix spelling error in code-field-user message: Commentor -> Commentator
[20:27:51] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Logo for Wikipedia Masry - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16776 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (gaghaly)
[20:28:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Logo for Wikipedia Masry - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16776   +shell (10alex.emsenhuber)
[20:39:16] <CIA-59>	03siebrand * r44967 10/trunk/extensions/GoogleMaps/GoogleMaps.php: Add FIXME. Should be updated to current code standards.
[20:45:11] <CIA-59>	03aaron * r44968 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/specialpages/RatingHistory_body.php: Use file_put_contents()
[20:49:36] <Simetrical>	Ugh, Google calls its new capability to put your favorite result on top "SearchWiki"?
[20:49:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) UTF-8 in commit message confuses CodeReview - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16640  (10JSchulz_4587)
[20:49:57] <Simetrical>	That's as bad as calling their Google Code CMS a "wiki".
[20:50:21] <Pinky>	it's a buzz word :P
[20:51:00] <Splarka>	convergent etymoloution
[20:51:17] <Splarka>	since mediawiki is turning into a CMS and private webspace editor
[20:51:47] <Nikerabbit>	hui hai hei ja rommia putelli
[20:52:19] <Splarka>	check the logs for people asking for help on private installs that no one but them will ever use (either local or on the web but locked down), or who want namespace/per-page read restrictions
[20:52:31] <rainman-sr>	aye Splarka 
[20:52:52] <Splarka>	everything in a wiki is editable, including the definition of 'wiki' ^_^
[20:54:35] <Simetrical>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Splarka&action=edit
[20:56:32] <CIA-59>	03brion * r44969 10/trunk/phase3/ (docs/hooks.txt includes/RecentChange.php): 
[20:56:33] <CIA-59>	Revert r44867 "Improve markpatrolled hook"
[20:56:33] <CIA-59>	Incompatible change to existing hook (changing types of parameters passed)
[20:56:33] <CIA-59>	03aaron * r44970 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Wiki.php: Add FileCache exit back from r44801
[20:56:41] <Splarka>	that tickles
[20:57:02] <brion-codereview>	whee :)
[20:57:04] <HardDisk_WP>	Splarka, mediawiki always is/was a cms
[20:58:12] <Splarka>	HardDisk_WP: not the type they want though, also see !cms
[20:58:23] <HardDisk_WP>	!cms
[20:58:23] --mwbot--	Wikis are designed for openness, to be readable and editable by all. If you want a forum, a blog, a web authoring toolkit or corporate content management system, perhaps don't use wiki software. There is a nice overview of free tools available at <http://www.opensourcecms.com/> including the possibility to try each system. For was to restrict access in MediaWiki, see !access.
[20:58:39] <HardDisk_WP>	There's a typo, was misses an y
[20:59:06] <Splarka>	{{sofix... well you know
[21:01:12] <Skizzerz>	{{fixed}}
[21:01:33] <CIA-59>	03simetrical * r44971 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/ (CodeReview.i18n.php CodeRevision.php codereview.sql): (log message trimmed)
[21:01:33] <CIA-59>	Change "commentator" to "commenter"
[21:01:33] <CIA-59>	A commentator is someone who professionally comments on things,
[21:01:33] <CIA-59>	generally public affairs or news items. That's certainly not correct.
[21:01:35] <CIA-59>	Between "commentor" (the previous spelling) and "commenter", the latter
[21:01:37] <CIA-59>	seems to be preferable: the AHD has neither, but Webster's has
[21:01:39] <CIA-59>	"commenter" and not "commentor", and "commenter" is the clear winner in
[21:02:14] *Simetrical 	grammar-nazis ialex 
[21:02:44] <brion-codereview>	'<span class="sortarrow">'+ '<img src="' ?
[21:02:45] <Splarka>	Simetrical: http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5917/grammartimegi7.jpg
[21:02:49] <brion-codereview>	why not just put the class on the <img>?
[21:03:01] <ialex>	Simetrical: well Wiktionary says for commenter: "   1. (obsolete) a commentator" :)
[21:03:18] <Simetrical>	ialex, yes, but that doesn't imply the converse?
[21:03:36] <Simetrical>	brion-codereview, because this is code I copy-pasted from some dodgy third-party website without reviewing it much?
[21:03:46] <brion-codereview>	:D
[21:03:47] <Simetrical>	ialex, s/\?/./
[21:05:48] <CIA-59>	03aaron * r44972 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Wiki.php: (Bug 16677) Media: view URLs should HTTP-redirect to canonical File: namespace
[21:05:50] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Media: view URLs should HTTP-redirect to canonical File: namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16677  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[21:07:25] <Splarka>	Simetrical: well, sometimes such silliness makes sense, for example, that class if defined in skins as ".sortarrow img" could be used in wikicode where it couldn't otherwise as "img.sortarrow"
[21:07:55] <Splarka>	(for some things, like a.new, this is a good thing, since you don't want users easily faking new links, but for others sometimes such classes are handy...)
[21:08:03] <Simetrical>	Not in this case.
[21:08:33] <Splarka>	so fix it ^_^
[21:09:04] <Simetrical>	WTF, starcraft.wikia.com has Wikipedia-style footnotes for everything.
[21:09:08] <Simetrical>	http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Zeratul#cite_note-4
[21:09:18] <Simetrical>	"StarCraft. Vivendi Games. Mission: Into the Flames (in English). 1998."
[21:09:35] <Simetrical>	Giving the same game, publisher, and date for every single reference, oddly enough.
[21:10:15] <Splarka>	that is probably a trope.. maybe with a clever name, like EmpatheticEmulation
[21:10:44] <Splarka>	like the way some pacific islanders got addicted to military airplanes dropping food off, and built fake airplanes and fake runway strips to try to lure more back after the wars ended
[21:10:56] <CIA-59>	03brion * r44973 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: Follow-up to r44881 -- add note to RELEASE-NOTES about removed/replaced hook
[21:11:05] <Simetrical>	CargoCult?
[21:11:07] <Splarka>	they're trying to emulate wikipedia, and lure more citations, but all they have are references to thte game itself
[21:11:17] <Splarka>	heh
[21:11:28] <Simetrical>	The citations themselves are reasonable, to weed out fancruft speculation.
[21:11:36] <Simetrical>	The format is silly, though.
[21:12:01] <Simetrical>	Give a wikilink to the mission page.
[21:12:56] <CIA-59>	03aaron * r44974 10/trunk/phase3/includes/parser/CoreParserFunctions.php: (Bug 16678) localurl/fullurl for Media: titles should return the File: title's path
[21:13:06] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) localurl/fullurl for Media: titles should return the File: title's path - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16678  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[21:13:30] *Splarka 	gives aaron a cookie, but eats it himself since aaron ain't here
[21:14:50] <Stinosss31>	Good evening! :)
[21:18:14] <Stinosss31>	No one active :o?
[21:18:58] <Cirt>	hello
[21:19:03] <Cirt>	quick question
[21:19:15] <Cirt>	>	what is the MediaWiki page to edit the stuff that shows up at the bottom of a user's contribs ?
[21:19:44] <CIA-59>	03brion * r44975 10/trunk/phase3/includes/EditPage.php: 
[21:19:44] <CIA-59>	Revert r44893 "Tweaks from profiling"
[21:19:44] <CIA-59>	It's unclear what, if anything, has any serious performance effect here.
[21:19:44] <CIA-59>	Seems to be trivial code formatting changes, some of which are nice (breaking long lines), others which aren't (creating long lines from nicely broken ones).
[21:21:06] <OverlordQ>	Cirt: [[MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-footer]] and [[MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-footer-anon]]
[21:21:18] <Cirt>	ooh
[21:21:20] <Cirt>	thank you!!!!
[21:24:18] <Stinosss31>	Someone who can help me with my sidebar? :)
[21:25:30] <Stinosss31>	?
[21:25:35] <Splarka>	!ask
[21:25:35] --mwbot--	Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[21:26:14] <Stinosss31>	OKeee
[21:27:31] <Stinosss31>	Uhm, ive changed the language of my mediawiki to Dutch. When I change the contents om my sidebar (such as Mainpage, Portal,..) they dont change. this is because I have changed the language of my mediawiki. 
[21:27:50] <Stinosss31>	Where can i find the file to edit the contents of my dutch sidebar?
[21:27:55] <PsiPro>	Its in your system messages
[21:28:07] <Splarka>	!sidebar
[21:28:07] --mwbot--	To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar>.
[21:28:24] <Splarka>	that will show you how to make the text in the sidebar translate
[21:28:50] <PsiPro>	Dose anyone know an extensions that adds a new user prefrence?
[21:29:05] <Stinosss31>	Yes, the contents of my sidebar are translated. But the problem is to change them. 
[21:30:32] <CIA-59>	03brion * r44976 10/trunk/phase3/includes/GlobalFunctions.php: 
[21:30:32] <CIA-59>	Revert r44918 "Remove unused functions"
[21:30:32] <CIA-59>	We keep these things for backwards compatibility, as they may be in use by extensions even if not in core code.
[21:30:54] <CIA-59>	03aaron * r44977 10/trunk/phase3/includes/OutputPage.php: (bug 16707) Add "rel='next'" link to login page to return to last page
[21:31:01] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Add "rel='next'" link to login page to return to last page. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16707  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[21:33:26] <Splarka>	Stinosss31: you may need to edit MediaWiki:Sidebar/nl then or something
[21:33:43] <Splarka>	(that message isn't translated usually, but if you switched content lang...)
[21:35:42] <Stinosss31>	The standard contetns of the sidebar are translated. Mainpage to hoofdpagina...and so on...
[21:36:07] <Stinosss31>	The problem is to change the dutch sidebar...damn :(
[21:36:08] <ialex>	Splarka: MediaWiki:Sidebar is used as content
[21:36:50] <Stinosss31>	Maybe some dutch people here for a privat talk? My English isnt so good :P.
[21:38:16] <Splarka>	ialex: yep, but I've seen crazy cases, one even recently
[21:38:37] <Splarka>	on meta, brion added 'mainpage' to $wgForceUIMsgAsContentMsg
[21:38:53] <Splarka>	but the other languages were not getting linked to in those user languages
[21:39:32] <Splarka>	until I started randomly action=purge on MediaWiki:Sidebar/xx  (no, really, I tried Mainpage/xx and several other tricks, but only purging Sidebar/xx made that language's mainpage translate, it made no sense)
[21:40:18] <Splarka>	Stinosss31: you want the dutch sidebar translations distinct from the english one? all the stuff you need should be on the above linked page
[21:40:39] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) "Appeal from Jimmy" notice text overflows box with large fonts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16773  +comment (10tfinc)
[21:42:35] <Stinosss31>	Splarka: The standard sidebar is English, so ive changed it to dutch. So far so good. But the problem is to edit/remove/add things to the sidebar. I dont know how to do that. 
[21:42:49] <Splarka>	ahh, you edit MediaWiki:Sidebar
[21:42:55] <CIA-59>	03aaron * r44978 10/trunk/phase3/includes/GlobalFunctions.php: At least disable old xml function loading per r44839. An easy ~9-10ms.
[21:43:44] <Stinosss31>	When i change things there they dont show up in my sidebar. Because its linked tot the English mediawiki language.
[21:44:27] <Splarka>	I'd suggest you could try MediaWiki:Sidebar/nl except ialex will tell me I'm wrong
[21:45:29] <Stinosss31>	Ive tried but i get the English page with the english sidebar content. Thats not what i want :P. I want the ducht sidebard-content. 
[21:45:31] <ialex>	Splarka: sure, and if content language is nl, the MediaWiki:Sidebar/nl will never be used, even if sidebar in $wgForceUIMsgAsContentMsg
[21:45:44] <ialex>	s/the/then
[21:46:49] <Splarka>	so ialex will now solve your problems, Stinosss31
[21:46:58] <Stinosss31>	Haha ;)
[21:47:58] <CIA-59>	03skizzerz * r44979 10/trunk/extensions/SecurePasswords/ (SecurePasswords.i18n.php SecurePasswords.php): 
[21:47:58] <CIA-59>	* remove maximum password length restriction
[21:47:58] <CIA-59>	* hack to replace the default "invalid password" message with something more descriptive
[21:47:59] <CIA-59>	* move the listing of special characters to a global variable
[21:49:35] <ialex>	Stinosss31: the problem is that links are not translated?
[21:50:56] <CIA-59>	03brion * r44980 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Wiki.php: 
[21:50:56] <CIA-59>	Revert r44970 "Add FileCache exit back from r44801"
[21:50:56] <CIA-59>	Forcing an exit from the middle of an initialization function seems like pretty poor practice.
[21:51:39] <Stinosss31>	ialex: Everthing is translated to dutch, the whole content of the sidebar. The problem is that I dont know how to edit the translated sidebar.
[21:52:31] <ialex>	Stinosss31: so you want to change links or displayed text?
[21:53:59] <Stinosss31>	ialex: Thats richt. Just 4 sure: http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/howto/en/images/d/d8/Mediawiki.sidebar-screenshot.png    Everything over there is translated. But now i wanna change that links.
[21:55:34] <ialex>	Stinosss31: you have to change other message, so if you have a line like **message-url|message, the you have to change MediaWiki:Message-url to change the link and MediaWiki:Message to change the displayed text
[21:55:51] <ialex>	the --> then ;)
[21:57:45] <CIA-59>	03brion * r44981 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Wiki.php: (log message trimmed)
[21:57:45] <CIA-59>	Pull back r44972 for now "(Bug 16677) Media: view URLs should HTTP-redirect to canonical File: namespace"
[21:57:45] <CIA-59>	r44972 isn't quite behaving transparently; non-view URLs are also being redirected to the raw view page, so for instance an ?action=edit or diff or whatever gets lost.
[21:57:45] <CIA-59>	See for example:
[21:57:45] <CIA-59>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Wiki.png?action=edit
[21:57:49] <CIA-59>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media:Wiki.png?action=edit
[21:57:51] <CIA-59>	these both currently behave just like:
[21:58:03] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Media: view URLs should HTTP-redirect to canonical File: namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16677  +comment (10brion)
[21:59:12] <Stinosss31>	ialex: Hmm, thats not clear for me how to do that.. 
[21:59:58] <Splarka>	brion: is that another (separate) bug? most namespace aliases are not transparently redirected -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project:Foo?action=edit  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:Foo?action=edit
[22:00:11] <brion-codereview>	Splarka: no, that's not a bug.
[22:00:17] <brion-codereview>	no need to do a URL redirect there
[22:00:21] <brion-codereview>	since they're not cached
[22:00:28] <Splarka>	right, so he was just overzealous ^_^
[22:00:29] <brion-codereview>	only needed for view URLs
[22:03:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wikimedia dumps do not contain any information about the ( flagged) article status - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16546  normal->lowest (10JSchulz_4587)
[22:04:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Media: view URLs should HTTP-redirect to canonical File: namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16677  (10JSchulz_4587)
[22:04:39] <CIA-59>	03brion * r44982 10/trunk/phase3/includes/GlobalFunctions.php: Revert r44978 -- breaks back-compat
[22:09:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) rename process problem on pl.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16721  (10JSchulz_4587)
[22:12:06] <Simetrical>	brion, while you're reverting, r44977 seems wrong.  Those surely aren't correct semantics for rel="next".
[22:12:23] <Simetrical>	"Refers to the next document in a linear sequence of documents. User agents may choose to preload the "next" document, to reduce the perceived load time."
[22:12:33] <Simetrical>	This isn't a linear sequence of documents, exactly . . .
[22:12:39] <Simetrical>	I guess it is the "next document", though.
[22:12:40] <CIA-59>	03siebrand * r44983 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (8 files): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-12-23 23:09 CET)
[22:12:43] *Simetrical 	refrains from reverting
[22:14:36] <brion>	Simetrical: linear from point A to point B :)
[22:14:40] <brion>	it seems at least semi-legit ot me
[22:19:58] <CIA-59>	03siebrand * r44984 10/trunk/extensions/ (77 files in 71 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-12-23 23:09 CET)
[22:21:36] <vegtabill>	i have a newb question regarding sessions in mediawiki: basically, how do i access the session object and add/retrieve data to/from it? if i could just be pointed in a direction, that would be great. tia
[22:22:24] <ialex>	use $_SESSION
[22:23:23] <vegtabill>	well, that's what i thought, but i'm getting "undefined variable"
[22:23:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) rename process problem on pl.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16721  (10danny.leinad)
[22:24:04] <ialex>	vegtabill: then call wfSetupSession(); just before using it
[22:30:30] <Oberoten>	Hola. :) 
[22:30:50] <Oberoten>	Is there any way to hide text/variables on a page? 
[22:31:12] <Oberoten>	I am using SemanticMediaWiki and would like to hide the properties I add?
[22:31:22] <Splarka>	!hesaidsemantic
[22:31:22] --mwbot--	http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/576/hesaidsemanticga2.jpg
[22:32:06] <Oberoten>	... that bad?
[22:33:17] <Oberoten>	... I shall just crawl back under my rock again?
[22:33:26] <Splarka>	well, there aren't many people who use it...
[22:33:38] <Splarka>	it is sort of a black sheep
[22:33:46] <vegtabill>	that is hysterical
[22:34:03] <Splarka>	there is an IRC channel for it somewhere...
[22:34:26] <Splarka>	#semanticmediawiki
[22:34:32] <vegtabill>	Oberoten: are you just trying to get the properties to not show on the rendered page?
[22:34:49] <Oberoten>	Yeah, exactly. 
[22:35:07] <vegtabill>	try [[propertyname::value| ]]
[22:35:15] <vegtabill>	note the space after the |
[22:35:18] <Oberoten>	They are input like links [[SemanticStat::Over900]]
[22:35:25] <Oberoten>	Ah... tried without the space. :) 
[22:35:32] <vegtabill>	try that
[22:36:04] <Oberoten>	Ah that worked a charm. :) 
[22:36:06] <Oberoten>	Many thanks. :)
[22:36:17] <vegtabill>	np
[22:36:24] <Oberoten>	*wanders off to fix it in the pages too*
[22:38:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) After the spam blacklist blocks an edit, show the edit form akin to edit conflicts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16757  (10nakonwiki)
[22:39:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) After the spam blacklist blocks an edit, show the edit form akin to edit conflicts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16757   +patch; +comment (10nakonwiki)
[22:43:48] <CIA-59>	03aaron * r44985 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedArticle.php: Fix missing tabs on talk page
[22:48:59] <CIA-59>	03aaron * r44986 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Wiki.php: Skip redirect checks for NS_MEDIAWIKI
[22:50:06] <Simetrical>	Why isn't aaron on IRC?
[22:50:57] <Nikerabbit>	boring
[22:52:39] *rainman-sr 	fires up the joke-telling bot
[22:54:03] <Splarka>	I just flew in from Boston, and boy are my logs tired. Take my feature, please! Is that a cue-ball in your pocket or are you just happy to see the bad image list?
[22:54:43] *brion 	moves Splarka to WP:BJADN
[22:55:20] <Reedy>	var wgAction = "submitlogin";
[22:55:26] <Reedy>	im presuming the text isnt localised?
[22:55:34] <Reedy>	(in that case, at least)
[22:55:35] <Splarka>	sweet *holds a limbo contest with the others in limbo*
[22:55:57] <Splarka>	Reedy: there is such a thing as too-much-localization, thankfully
[22:56:07] <Reedy>	heh, what i was thinking :)
[22:56:28] *Pinky 	whispers "localizing special:version"
[22:56:37] <Pinky>	and then runs :P
[22:57:18] <Splarka>	Nikerabbit: what is the consensus on beta about localizing actions, general URI parameters and values, slash switches, etc?
[22:57:46] <Simetrical>	Localize "index.php"!
[22:57:56] <Splarka>	localize the domains...
[22:58:03] <Splarka>	localize the protocols...
[22:58:08] <Splarka>	cccp://
[22:58:16] <Pinky>	localize the code...
[22:58:19] <Simetrical>	.יש
[22:58:37] <Simetrical>	Localize the comments!
[22:58:47] <Simetrical>	Tim once complained that something he was given to review had its comments in Italian.
[23:00:02] <Dantman|Work>	hmm... Wikifish?
[23:00:21] <Splarka>	<tableau mod�le="bord-couleur:bleu;">
[23:01:05] <CIA-59>	03mrzman * r44987 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/specials/SpecialUpload.php): (bug 16772) Special:Upload now correctly rejects files with spaces in the file extension (e.g. Foo. jpg) by normalizing the title before checking the extension.
[23:02:12] <Simetrical>	Splarka, we need to support Devanagari numerals for RGB notation!
[23:02:42] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Special:Upload isn' t normalizing spaces in file extension correctly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16772  +comment (10mrzmanwiki)
[23:03:01] *brion 	looks
[23:03:22] <Dantman|Work>	Hmmm..... "rgb(Two-Hundred and Fifty-Five, Two-Hundred and Fifty-Five, Two-Hundred and Fifty-Five);"
[23:03:49] <Splarka>	style="color:rgb(XVII,IX,...) what is roman for zero ^_^
[23:04:12] <brion>	 			return self::MIN_LENGHT_PARTNAME;
[23:04:21] <brion>	hmmmm
[23:04:23] <brion>	that's old code
[23:04:25] <brion>	but it amuses me
[23:06:16] <Dantman|Work>	O should work
[23:06:18] <Splarka>	how about a fragment in <title> to show 404s now, so one can close the tabs without bothering to switch to them, for example, like Page missing - $1 - {{SITENAME}} (why? well, I don't know about you, but I guess titles often, it is faster than checking by search or prefixindex, and I can try a few variants in case and spelling for example)
[23:06:29] <Simetrical>	Splarka, they probably didn't think it was a number.  You'd have to write NIHIL or something as an ex post facto fix-up.
[23:06:44] <Splarka>	yah, damn romans, never had to do without
[23:06:48] <Simetrical>	Like CSS3 for Hebrew list numbering, it just uses the word אפס for 0.
[23:07:09] <Dantman|Work>	ZERO
[23:07:10] <Simetrical>	(meaning "zero" . . . which in turn is a modern meaning, originally it just meant "nothing")
[23:07:36] <Dantman|Work>	IIIIIV
[23:07:46] <Splarka>	5 points
[23:07:54] <Splarka>	well, zero points, but thread over
[23:08:00] <Simetrical>	Splarka, the problem with prefixing stuff like that is that then you won't be able to tell apart different 404s easily in your tabs.
[23:08:19] <Splarka>	Simetrical: maybe a very short fragment ... ?
[23:08:32] <Simetrical>	Dantman|Work, of course, most of the time Romans didn't use that kind of subtractive notation . . . IIII was more common than IV.
[23:08:33] <Splarka>	heh, like !$1 ... 
[23:08:42] <Simetrical>	And is still used on watches, for some strange reason.
[23:08:50] <Simetrical>	Splarka, "404 - ..."?
[23:08:58] <Simetrical>	That would be confusing.
[23:09:00] <Simetrical>	With [[404]].
[23:09:03] <Splarka>	hmm, then you'd get more status codes...
[23:09:04] <Dantman|Work>	Heh, ya
[23:09:08] <Splarka>	<404>
[23:09:10] <Splarka>	not a valid page title
[23:09:31] <Splarka>	[] or [[]] is too much like wikilinking, {} too much like template markup
[23:09:35] <Dantman|Work>	Add it as another $# and let people customize it?
[23:09:41] <Splarka>	|404| might look like 14041
[23:09:42] *Simetrical 	catfights with Aaron at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/44986
[23:09:59] <Splarka>	well, sure, but there should be a default
[23:10:29] <Dantman|Work>	IAMNOHERE - $1 - {{SITENAME}}
[23:10:46] <Splarka>	it could also be handy for redirects, or various status codes
[23:10:59] <Dantman|Work>	Hmmm...
[23:11:02] <brion>	MZMcBride: $filtered gets used again later in the function
[23:11:05] <Dantman|Work>	IAMNOWHERE, IAMOVERTHERE
[23:11:12] <Splarka>	and various actions...
[23:11:14] <brion>	er
[23:11:17] <brion>	whoever it was
[23:11:29] <brion>	dang autocomplete :D
[23:11:57] <Splarka>	purged - $1, diffing - $1,
[23:12:38] <CIA-59>	03brion * r44988 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialUpload.php: MIN_LENGHT_PARTNAME -> MIN_LENGTH_PARTNAME
[23:12:40] <Dantman|Work>	spamming - $1
[23:13:26] <Skizzerz>	KIDSEXCHANGE - $1
[23:13:41] <brion>	...
[23:13:46] <Skizzerz>	what, it's a daycare
[23:13:51] <Skizzerz>	:P
[23:13:56] *brion 	backs away slowly
[23:13:58] <Splarka>	what sadistic person created english: heiGHT, lenGTH
[23:14:18] <Simetrical>	Splarka, people who pronounced "gh" as IPA /x/.
[23:14:31] <Splarka>	well, that sugh
[23:15:00] <Dantman|Work>	Splarka, ^_^ surely not the ones who created left and right which have no letters in common
[23:15:19] <Splarka>	brion: sex changes for transgendered persons have a higher rate of over success and overall life happiness when started earlier, even for kids yes
[23:15:22] <Dantman|Work>	((That has always annoyed me))
[23:15:36] <Splarka>	but Skizzerz meant "kids exchange", yknow, a pedophilia swingers club
[23:15:40] <Skizzerz>	:P
[23:16:08] <Skizzerz>	just google image search "Kids Exchange" and you'll see
[23:16:18] <Splarka>	Dantman|Work: one old plural of cow was 'kine', no letters in common...
[23:16:29] <Dantman|Work>	rotfl
[23:18:01] <Dantman|Work>	How many was a sextuplet again?
[23:18:02] <Splarka>	brion: T*m once said (misquote probably) "I believe brion has decided to replace documentation with humor".
[23:18:18] <Simetrical>	Splarka, they made up plurals before they learned how to write, you know.
[23:18:23] <Splarka>	the recent US elections seem to have been decided on The Daily Show, David Letterman, and the like
[23:18:26] <MZMcBride>	Okay. So here's my idea.
[23:18:53] <Simetrical>	Tim once changed the text of a throw new MWException("noooooooo!") on the basis that it wasn't informative enough.  :(
[23:18:56] <MZMcBride>	We need a help page on MW.org that explains what the 'active users' stat means.
[23:18:58] <MZMcBride>	And then that gets linked to be default, or something.
[23:19:09] <Simetrical>	What *does* it mean?
[23:19:13] <Splarka>	I believe our society is moving to a komoidocracy
[23:19:27] <CIA-59>	03brion * r44989 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialUpload.php: Follow-up to r44987 -- use the Title-filtered version for the rest of our filename processing just to be sure everything's cool. :)
[23:19:38] *brion 	throw new MWException("yessssssss!!!!!");
[23:19:46] <Splarka>	error: success
[23:20:04] <MZMcBride>	Am I allowed to do that? Do we do that elsewhere?
[23:20:07] <Splarka>	grep /build fire/
[23:20:09] <Splarka>	no matches found.
[23:20:15] <MZMcBride>	(Link to a Help: page on MW.org from core...)
[23:20:40] <Skizzerz>	Microsoft Windows Error: Nothing is wrong, there must be a bug.
[23:20:40] <aib>	title and text of all pages in category Papers..almost: select page_title, old_text from page inner join (categorylinks, text) on page_id = cl_from and old_id = page_id and cl_to = "Papers"
[23:21:07] <aib>	how come the current text goes in old_text? that through me for a loop ferreal:)
[23:21:17] <Splarka>	MZM: do that for 'good' pages, I believe there are currently _three_ inconsistent bits of code that check
[23:21:18] <MZMcBride>	Perhaps I should genericize the name.. Help:Site_statistics ?
[23:21:30] <brion>	MZMcBride: ideally it should be explained in a very short bit of text under where it says "active users"
[23:21:38] <brion>	very very short
[23:21:40] <brion>	like
[23:21:43] <Splarka>	that's what she said
[23:21:47] <MZMcBride>	brion: The problem is that it's not a short check. ;-)
[23:21:59] <brion>	*that*'s what she said!
[23:22:04] <Splarka>	hey, you link with job queueing
[23:22:31] <MZMcBride>	It's users who appear in recentchanges who aren't registering an account and aren't a bot. 
[23:22:39] <brion>	well
[23:22:51] <brion>	"Users who have edited in the last X days and aren't a bot."
[23:22:53] <azaghal_>	good evening
[23:22:57] <Splarka>	does registering an account negate them from recent changes?
[23:23:05] <Splarka>	or users who are doing more than just registering an account?
[23:23:11] <MZMcBride>	Splarka: It negates them from the stat.
[23:23:15] <Dantman|Work>	People who are not lazy or automated?
[23:23:31] <azaghal_>	I look for the German IRC from Mediawiki, can someone help me ?
[23:23:32] <MZMcBride>	Account creations go in RC, but the stat ignores them.
[23:23:35] <brion>	MZMcBride: anyone who's registered an account in the last month?
[23:23:42] <brion>	or anyone who did *nothing but* registering an account?
[23:23:57] <Splarka>	'non-bots who are not newbies'
[23:24:08] <MZMcBride>	Non-bots who have <i>edited</i>?
[23:24:15] <MZMcBride>	But it's more than just editing. :P
[23:24:25] <Splarka>	ahh, so it is 'active users'
[23:24:28] <MZMcBride>	Bah. See? Confusion and complexity!
[23:24:39] <Splarka>	so under active users put a footnote "active users means 'active users'"
[23:24:41] <azaghal_>	#mediawiki_de
[23:24:51] <MZMcBride>	Splarka: How helpful.
[23:24:58] <Splarka>	that's not what she said
[23:25:11] <Skizzerz>	Splarka: also, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Aaron_Schulz/Fun_stuff#Code_documentation
[23:25:23] <Skizzerz>	I knew it was somewhere :P
[23:25:57] <Splarka>	Skiz: hah, yes
[23:25:58] <Dantman|Work>	nooo... my vitamins ran away!
[23:30:22] <Splarka>	hmm MZM: are the status a running count (increment/decrement) or periodically recounted in full from the rc table?
[23:30:39] <MZMcBride>	I have no idea?
[23:30:57] *MZMcBride 	speaks English and some Spanish. I don't speak that Devil language known as PHP.
[23:31:30] <Skizzerz>	s/PHP/Perl/
[23:34:49] <CIA-59>	03brion * r44990 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Setup.php: Revert r44814 "code style tweaks" -- removal of class_exists check breaks actual maint scripts
[23:35:28] *Reedy 	wonders if anyone has bought brion a cluestick for hitting bad developers with for christmas
[23:35:41] <FoeNyx>	the revert stick ?
[23:35:58] <werdnum>	23:18 < Splarka> brion: T*m once said (misquote probably) "I believe brion has decided to replace documentation with humor".
[23:36:02] <werdnum>	That's a quip on bugzilla.
[23:36:16] <Splarka>	werd: right, Skizzerz linked to it too
[23:36:35] <Splarka>	Reedy: he has a clue-by-four handy most times
[23:36:48] <Reedy>	true.. he doesnt seem to use it much...
[23:36:52] <Reedy>	Wondered if it was broken
[23:37:23] <Reedy>	who reviews additions to the quip list?
[23:40:10] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Upgrade Bugzilla to 3.2 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16777 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; (sam)
[23:40:50] <aib>	how do i get article text given a page_id? i tried a join on page_id = old_id with strange results
[23:41:02] <aib>	i used to know how to do this :/
[23:41:05] <werdnum>	Reedy: bugzilla admins.
[23:41:13] <Reedy>	lol
[23:41:18] <Reedy>	does it get done frequently?
[23:41:20] <Splarka>	should be a quip: <brion> give me a time machine and a clue-by-four and i can fix this problem for you
[23:41:40] <Reedy>	haha
[23:41:45] <aib>	ahh, page_latest??
[23:41:51] <Splarka>	(from http://toolserver.org/~amidaniel/chanlogs/%23mediawiki/20080212.txt )
[23:42:29] <Reedy>	Splarka, add it :P
[23:43:08] <Splarka>	not a bugzadm
[23:43:30] <Reedy>	put it in the review queue
[23:45:54] <Splarka>	lazy
[23:47:21] <CIA-59>	03aaron * r44991 10/trunk/phase3/includes/CategoryPage.php: Fix fucked up indentation
[23:47:23] <aib>	do i need to join on page, revision and text now to get current article text? i'm reading tables.sql but it's not crystal clear
[23:49:15] <brion>	aib: you need to get a Revision object and call getText() on it
[23:49:24] <aib>	i am at the mysql command line
[23:49:35] <brion>	actual text might not be in the text table at all, it may just be a reference to another table or server in an alternate compression format
[23:49:51] <aib>	trying to get title, text for all pages in a category
[23:49:55] <CIA-59>	03aaron * r44992 10/trunk/phase3/includes/XmlFunctions.php: Add wfDeprecated(__FUNCTION__) to all this garbage
[23:50:04] <werdnum>	'garbage'? :O
[23:50:37] <aib>	i had a php version but it was too SLLLOOWWWWW
[23:59:33] <CIA-59>	03aaron * r44993 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ChangesList.php: 
[23:59:33] <CIA-59>	* Don't rebuild the character size html twice
[23:59:33] <CIA-59>	* Break lines so this code looks like a marginally better brand of a dog's breakfast