[00:01:34] 23:59 < CIA-59> * Break lines so this code looks like a marginally better brand of a dog's breakfast [00:01:37] :-/ [00:01:45] *werdnum wonders which side of the bed Aaron|away got out of today. [00:02:10] probably the "brion reverted half my commits" side ;) [00:09:42] 03aaron * r44994 10/trunk/phase3/includes/LogEventsList.php: Whitespace/line breaks to keep this decent looking [00:10:52] werdnum: Always the left, since it is against the wall [00:19:48] 03(FIXED) Image (from Commons) not shown when comparing revisions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16736 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [00:20:58] 03(mod) exclamation mark on RC - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16724 (10JSchulz_4587) [00:24:26] 00:02 < brion> probably the "brion reverted half my commits" side ;) [00:24:27] *werdnum giggles. [00:25:36] 03(NEW) Extraneous Character - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16778 normal; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (gaarmyvet) [00:27:10] brion: You finished code review by like 2 or 3 - what happened? [00:27:16] Did people stop committing or something? [00:27:21] 03aaron * r44995 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/specialpages/RatingHistory_body.php: Use $days, the *actual* interval, not the max range, for deciding date formatting [00:28:38] :) [00:28:43] *brion-away wnaders off [00:29:19] umm, why are editfields (textareas) suddenly {font-family:monospace;} in common/shared.css? [00:30:08] I don't think that's a good thing: it prevents me from distinguishing en dashes from em dashes in edit mode. [00:30:16] :p [00:32:03] I think that was done because only 1 browser didn't use fixed-width fonts in textareas [00:32:48] heh [00:32:54] sigh [00:33:02] yknow, I argued against that, and was ignored [00:33:05] same for 404 [00:33:11] *werdnum hehs back at Aaron|away [00:33:19] "your complaints have nothing to do with real people, Splarka" [00:33:34] I think MZMcBride was the one pushing for that [00:33:45] werdnum: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/quips.cgi?action=show [00:33:50] [SethIlys] Hmm... I'm getting 500 errors. [FennecFoxen] SethIlys- that's a lot of errors. [00:33:54] classic [00:39:02] "because only 1 browser didn't use fixed-width fonts in textareas" is a bad reason—especially now that we have editnotice functionality [00:40:38] Nihiltres: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1941 [00:41:05] AaronSchulz: We all love our bugzilla quips. [00:41:14] MrZ-man|not_here: I pushed for resolving the bug. [00:41:29] Didn't really care if it was WONTFIX or RESOLVED, though Splarka lost, again! [00:41:40] I "lost"? [00:41:44] I was right, people complained [00:41:51] I get to say "told you so" [00:42:32] One person complained due to dash concerns. Protip: use — and – [00:42:40] *so far* [00:42:56] pro-protip: html entities don't magically transform on cut-paste [00:43:13] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Castle_Neuschwanstein.jpg [00:43:22] *AaronSchulz wows at his favorite simcity landmark [00:43:23] [08:51:46] Firefox has a proportional font for textareas. [00:43:24] [08:51:53] MZM: it'd be better as a gadget [00:43:26] http://toolserver.org/~amidaniel/chanlogs/%23mediawiki/20081213.txt [00:43:30] <^demon> Splarka: same could be said of some historical figures too. Galileo comes to mind [00:43:43] Galileo wasn't cutpasteable? [00:44:13] AaronSchulz: too much simcity! [00:44:20] <^demon> no, about being right but losing :) [00:44:26] ^demon: he stood almost alone against an overwhelming tide of indifference and sameitude. I am more akin to him than MZM in this situation [00:44:28] Splarka: But they do magically transform on page rendering. [00:44:35] ahh, I see ^demon [00:44:48] ^demon: pro-tip: his middle finger is preserved, flipping off the church forever [00:45:16] Protip: girl, you crazy. [00:45:29] — and – suck :p [00:45:35] lol dashes. [00:45:41] I love people who complain about dashes. [00:45:44] Nihiltres: comment on bug [00:45:48] It warms my heart. [00:46:02] yeah, I will [00:46:33] <^demon> werdnum: dont you get it? without using x-type of dash, mediawiki is doomed forever [00:46:54] It's true. [00:46:57] Brion told me so. [00:47:46] <^demon> Hyphen and double-hyphen. only dashes I want or need. N and M dashes be damned. [00:48:21] :O [00:48:25] You bite your tongue, sir! [00:49:08] 03(mod) Add new setting option switch whether case-sensitive or case-insensitive upload file extension name checking . - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12992 +patch (10Platonides) [00:52:04] except that i get multiple copies of old_text, this gives me the titles, text of all pages in a category: SELECT count(*),page_title, old_text FROM page RIGHT JOIN (SELECT cl_from FROM categorylinks WHERE cl_to = 'Papers') AS c_p ON page_id = cl_from LEFT JOIN (revision, text) ON page_id = rev_page AND rev_text_id = old_id limit 10; [00:52:53] 14(DUP) Extension checking should not ignore spaces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16512 +comment (10Platonides) [00:52:55] 03(mod) Special:Upload isn' t normalizing spaces in file extension correctly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16772 (10Platonides) [00:58:48] 03(mod) Add new setting option switch whether case-sensitive or case-insensitive upload file extension name checking . - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12992 +comment (10brion) [01:00:01] brion: Don't we already lowercase extensions on-upload? [01:00:04] oh, he went [01:00:07] 4:57pm [01:20:40] 03(mod) CSS tweak for Safari - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1941 +comment (10wiki.nihiltres) [01:21:10] oh look, I commented on a bug :p [01:26:15] Nihiltres: if you want anything to ever come of that you might want to reopen it, it took more than 3 years to get that change made :P [01:26:40] heh [01:27:32] I'm thinking more of just opening a new bug with the ideal situation specified: set in preferences [01:28:10] but I had to get the "RAWR NIHILTRES IS ANNOYED NOW, TREMBLE IN FEAR" out of my system [01:34:16] Nihiltres: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Textarea_font_change [01:35:29] *Splarka rubs MZMcBride's face in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Textarea_font_change [01:35:36] "you eat like this" [01:35:45] though its odd its just being noticed now, that should have been in the last update I think [01:36:22] maybe someone forgot to update wgStyleVersion [01:36:52] what revision was it? the scap today was 44982 to 44698 [01:37:59] 44528 [01:38:16] FROM 44698, sorry [01:38:34] hmm, MrZ: I think there was a disussion about bumping style version unnecessarily [01:38:43] discussion, too [01:39:03] though it was increased in r44531 [01:44:21] Hello! [01:45:23] Happy Holidays! [01:46:09] Lapper! [01:46:11] How are you! [01:48:52] hi Martinp23 o/ [01:50:51] hey [01:50:57] Hey! [01:51:14] ohgod. [01:51:15] !ops [01:51:15] --mwbot-- Help, ops! Ashar, brion, Charitwo, Cometstyles, domas, Eloquence, Fire, flyingparchment, Hashar, JeLuF, jeronim, jwales, MinuteElectron, Splarka, VasilievVV, Werdna [01:51:20] Cross channel troll [01:51:32] ST47 [01:51:35] yes [01:51:36] How are you? [01:52:01] lol [01:52:10] Warpath! [01:52:13] Happy Holidays! [01:52:15] yes? [01:52:19] same to you :) [01:52:25] What are your Christmas plans [01:52:34] someone rang? [01:52:40] You have ops? [01:52:42] banning you :) [01:52:43] Wow. [01:52:59] I didn't know anyone had ops here [01:52:59] ok, good move. [01:53:00] I_RULE [citation needed] [01:53:13] he is gone :P [01:53:45] meh mediawiki crat, i had to had ops here ;p [01:54:47] 03(mod) exclamation mark on RC - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16724 (10JSchulz_4587) [01:54:51] 03(mod) exclamation mark on RC - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16724 (10danny.leinad) [01:55:36] O.o [01:55:58] Was one of those wikibugs links an https link and the other an http link? [02:11:14] WaRpAtH, I'm a MediaWiki crat and don't have ops here. The people with ops here seem to be fairly random. [02:11:34] Splarka has ops here too . . . [02:11:42] yeah O_O [02:11:49] mostly wikians have ops here O_O [02:13:06] u can always ask uncle brion ^_^ [02:13:42] *Simetrical shrugs [02:13:52] Maybe if it seems like it would be useful. [02:13:59] Probably better to have too few ops than too many. [02:16:05] 03(mod) exclamation mark on RC - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16724 (10danny.leinad) [02:23:39] 03(mod) CSS tweak for Safari - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1941 +comment (10michael) [02:23:54] 04(REOPENED) CSS tweak for Safari - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1941 (10michael) [02:25:45] Simetrical: I asked Fire to make some ops on one of his rare visits, and he opped me too [02:25:53] (I srsly didn't ask) [02:26:03] very random [02:38:17] !email [02:38:17] --mwbot-- For more information about MediaWiki e-mail extensions, see . [02:38:20] Worth a try [02:39:06] I don't have a working mail server, I just have my MX record pointing towards Google Apps [02:39:12] How then do I setup a working email system? [02:57:32] I have a small publicly accessible wiki. I want to limit account creation to people with confirmed emails. Turning off account creation is $wgGroupPermissions['*']['createaccount'] = false; in localsettings.php. So far, so good. I tried to follow an example for limiting edits to users with confirmed emails, but that doesn't work, since the user doesn't exist yet. (Doh!) How can I do this? The LDAP extension is wa-a-ay more complic [03:00:14] quixot1: you might want http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmAccount or something similar [03:00:51] Splarka: Bleh. People fear change. [03:00:56] I'm off to try it now. I *think* that's one of the pages I checked. [03:00:57] Especially Wikipedians. [03:01:43] MZMcBride: that is the argument of the defense of this commit, not the opposition [03:01:49] dynamic fonts in textareas _are_ change [03:01:59] Nonsense. [03:02:11] Monospace font helps with table layouts and certain template layouts. [03:02:13] but you're of the group wanting to pull them back to the dark ages of forced monospace, not browser selection [03:02:38] you are being conservative in this [03:02:42] No, I'm in favor of cross-browser consistency with the option to override. [03:02:47] Safari is being liberal [03:02:55] cross-browser homogenization! [03:03:05] Wouldn't it be equally easy to make a gadget that reverses this change? [03:03:18] For those who want non-monospace fonts? [03:03:23] Yes, it would. [03:03:26] *MZMcBride goes to bug battle. [03:03:28] it would be equally easy to instigate this change via gadget, or even a js button [03:03:32] have fun [03:03:44] take some Starship Trooper troops with you (the movie, not the novel) [03:07:21] I did look at the Confirm Account extension. Does it mean the sysop has to manually add each user? Or will the link in the confirmation email be enough? If the latter, then that's exactly what I'm looking for. [03:08:19] well, the problem is, the 'confirmaccount' right can't be assigned to users without accounts, so there isn't really an easy way to do what you want in core [03:08:40] but there are several reg/auth extensions, check the categories of that extension for similar [03:12:33] 03(mod) CSS tweak for Safari - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1941 +comment (10public) [03:13:31] Okay. rights not being assigned to users who aren't users makes sense. :) I saw the huge list of reg/auth extensions and got kind of intimidated. Any nice simple ones there you might recommend to start with? [03:15:38] I think I'm winning Bugzilla. Or losing it. One of the two. [03:18:48] 03(FIXED) CSS tweak for Safari - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1941 +comment (10locke.cole.wiki) [03:19:48] hello [03:19:57] can someone help me? [03:20:41] Heh. Locke Cole. [03:20:51] !ask | blue1 [03:20:51] --mwbot-- blue1: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC. [03:21:35] im having trouble installing wikitex [03:22:00] ive consulted the instructions on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WikiTex/Documentation [03:22:22] but i done understand where and how to run the shell script given [03:28:26] I think I've decided to try ConfirmAccount. At least, I downloaded it. We'll see how I go. :-D [04:00:39] Is there an easy way to add a refferer field to the signup form without actually modifying it directly, IE an extension? [04:11:25] Prom_cat: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/UserCreateForm [04:12:01] (see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:UserCreateForm_extensions for examples) [04:22:13] More questions: To setup the ConfirmAccount extension, one of the steps is to "run a SQL query" with ConfirmAccount.SQL. How do I do that? And how do I change $wgDBprefix to "what is appropriate"? Do they mean the name of my own wiki database? Or something else? I need a couple of examples! [06:22:19] "I had a nightmare once that the MediaWiki namespace ate my cat." [06:28:06] Schrodinger: ? [06:28:15] (umlauts optional) [06:31:57] 03(mod) After the spam blacklist blocks an edit, show the edit form akin to edit conflicts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16757 +need-review; +comment (10mikelifeguard) [07:17:35] I get this a problem error after running "Last login: Tue Dec 23 19:05:13 on ttys002 [07:17:35] Alex-MacBook-2:~ alex$ ssh trainer@192.168.0.229 [07:17:35] trainer@192.168.0.229's password: [07:17:35] Linux golden-retrierer 2.6.24-19-server #1 SMP Wed Aug 20 23:54:28 UTC 2008 i686 [07:17:35] The programs included with the Ubuntu system are free software; [07:17:36] the exact distribution terms for each program are described in the [07:17:38] individual files in /usr/share/doc/*/copyright. [07:17:40] Ubuntu comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by [07:17:42] applicable law. [07:17:44] To access official Ubuntu documentation, please visit: [07:17:46] http://help.ubuntu.com/ [07:17:48] Last login: Tue Dec 23 18:36:22 2008 from 192.168.0.176 [07:17:50] trainer@golden-retrierer:~$ sudo gunzip /var/www/store.zip [07:17:52] [sudo] password for trainer: [07:17:54] gzip: /var/www/store.zip: unknown suffix -- ignored [07:17:56] trainer@golden-retrierer:~$ ls [07:17:58] fruit-basket ventrilo_srv-2.3.1-Linux-i386.tar [07:18:00] trainer@golden-retrierer:~$ cd /var/www/ [07:18:02] trainer@golden-retrierer:/var/www$ ls [07:18:04] index.html mediawiki-1.13.2.tar.gz store.zip wiki [07:18:08] trainer@golden-retrierer:/var/www$ sudo apt-get install unzip [07:18:10] Reading package lists... Done [07:18:12] Building dependency tree [07:18:14] Reading state information... Done [07:18:16] Suggested packages: [07:18:18] zip [07:18:20] The following NEW packages will be installed: [07:18:22] unzip [07:18:24] 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 7 not upgraded. [07:18:26] Need to get 154kB of archives. [07:18:28] After this operation, 348kB of additional disk space will be used. [07:18:30] Get:1 http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/main unzip 5.52-10ubuntu2 [154kB] [07:18:33] Fetched 154kB in 7s (21.0kB/s) [07:18:34] Selecting previously deselected package unzip. [07:18:38] (Reading database ... 29033 files and directories currently installed.) [07:18:40] Unpacking unzip (from .../unzip_5.52-10ubuntu2_i386.deb) ... [07:18:42] Setting up unzip (5.52-10ubuntu2) ... [07:18:44] trainer@golden-retrierer:/var/www$ unzip store.zip [07:18:46] Archive: store.zip [07:18:48] creating: store/ [07:18:50] inflating: store/.DS_Store [07:18:52] creating: __MACOSX/ [07:18:54] creating: __MACOSX/store/ [07:18:56] inflating: __MACOSX/store/._.DS_Store [07:18:58] creating: store/catalog/ [07:19:00] inflating: store/catalog/.htaccess [07:19:02] creating: __MACOSX/store/catalog/ [07:19:04] inflating: __MACOSX/store/catalog/._.htaccess [07:19:08] inflating: store/catalog/account.php [07:19:10] inflating: __MACOSX/store/catalog/._account.php [07:19:14] inflating: store/catalog/account_edit.php [07:19:16] inflating: __MACOSX/store/catalog/._account_edit.php [07:19:18] inflating: store/catalog/account_history.php [07:19:20] inflating: __MACOSX/store/catalog/._account_history.php [07:19:22] inflating: store/catalog/account_history_info.php [07:19:24] inflating: __MACOSX/store/catalog/._account_history_info.php [07:19:26] inflating: store/catalog/account_newsletters.php [07:19:28] inflating: __MACOSX/store/catalog/._account_newsletters.php [07:19:30] inflating: store/catalog/account_notifications.php [07:19:32] inflating: __MACOSX/store/catalog/._account_notifications.php [07:19:33] !op [07:19:33] --mwbot-- Help, ops! Ashar, brion, Charitwo, Cometstyles, domas, Eloquence, Fire, flyingparchment, Hashar, JeLuF, jeronim, jwales, MinuteElectron, Splarka, VasilievVV, Werdna [07:19:34] inflating: store/catalog/account_password.php [07:19:38] inflating: __MACOSX/store/catalog/._account_password.php [07:19:40] inflating: store/catalog/address_book.php [07:19:42] inflating: __MACOSX/store/catalog/._address_book.php [07:19:44] inflating: store/catalog/address_book_process.php [07:19:46] inflating: __MACOSX/store/catalog/._address_book_process.php [07:19:48] creating: store/catalog/admin/ [07:19:50] inflating: store/catalog/admin/.htaccess [07:19:52] creating: __MACOSX/store/catalog/admin/ [07:19:54] inflating: __MACOSX/store/catalog/admin/._.htaccess [07:19:56] inflating: store/catalog/admin/administrators.php [07:19:58] inflating: __MACOSX/store/catalog/admin/._administrators.php [07:20:00] inflating: store/catalog/admin/backup.php [07:20:02] inflating: __MACOSX/store/catalog/admin/._backup.php [07:20:04] creating: store/catalog/admin/backups/ [07:20:06] inflating: store/catalog/admin/backups/.htaccess [07:20:08] creating: __MACOSX/store/catalog/admin/backups/ [07:20:10] inflating: __MACOSX/store/catalog/admin/backups/._.htaccess [07:20:14] inflating: __MACOSX/store/catalog/admin/._backups [07:20:16] inflating: store/catalog/admin/banner_manager.php [07:20:18] inflating: __MACOSX/store/catalog/admin/._banner_manager.php [07:20:19] !op [07:20:19] --mwbot-- Help, ops! Ashar, brion, Charitwo, Cometstyles, domas, Eloquence, Fire, flyingparchment, Hashar, JeLuF, jeronim, jwales, MinuteElectron, Splarka, VasilievVV, Werdna [07:20:20] inflating: store/catalog/admin/banner_statistics.php [07:20:22] inflating: __MACOSX/store/catalog/admin/._banner_statistics.php [07:20:24] inflating: store/catalog/admin/cache.php [07:20:26] inflating: __MACOSX/store/catalog/admin/._cache.php [07:20:28] inflating: store/catalog/admin/categories.php [07:20:30] inflating: __MACOSX/store/catalog/admin/._categories.php [07:20:32] inflating: store/catalog/admin/configuration.php [07:20:34] inflating: __MACOSX/store/catalog/admin/._configuration.php [07:20:36] inflating: store/catalog/admin/countries.php [07:20:38] inflating: __MACOSX/store/catalog/admin/._countries.php [07:20:40] inflating: store/catalog/admin/currencies.php [07:20:44] inflating: __MACOSX/store/catalog/admin/._currencies.php [07:20:46] inflating: store/catalog/admin/customers.php [07:20:48] inflating: __MACOSX/store/catalog/admin/._customers.php [07:20:50] inflating: store/catalog/admin/define_language.php [07:20:52] inflating: __MACOSX/store/catalog/admin/._define_language.php [07:20:54] creating: store/catalog/admin/ext/ [07:20:56] creating: store/catalog/admin/ext/modules/ [07:20:58] creating: store/catalog/admin/ext/modules/payment/ [07:21:00] creating: store/catalog/admin/ext/modules/payment/sofortueberweisung/ [07:21:01] *|X| slaps Asterisky [07:21:02] inflating: store/catalog/admin/ext/modules/payment/sofortueberweisung/autoinstaller.gif [07:21:04] creating: __MACOSX/store/catalog/admin/ext/ [07:21:08] creating: __MACOSX/store/catalog/admin/ext/modules/ [07:21:10] creating: __MACOSX/store/catalog/admin/ext/modules/payment/ [07:21:14] creating: __MACOSX/store/catalog/admin/ext/modules/payment/sofortueberweisung/ [07:21:16] inflating: __MACOSX/store/catalog/admin/ext/modules/payment/sofortueberweisung/._autoinstaller.gif [07:21:18] inflating: store/catalog/admin/ext/modules/payment/sofortueberweisung/install.php [07:21:20] inflating: __MACOSX/store/catalog/admin/ext/modules/payment/sofortueberweisung/._install.php [07:21:22] inflating: __MACOSX/store/catalog/admin/ext/modules/payment/._sofortueberweisung [07:21:24] inflating: __MACOSX/store/catalog/admin/ext/modules/._payment [07:21:26] inflating: __MACOSX/store/catalog/admin/ext/._modules [07:21:28] inflating: __MACOSX/store/catalog/admin/._ext [07:21:30] inflating: store/catalog/admin/file_manager.php [07:21:32] inflating: __MACOSX/store/catalog/admin/._file_manager.php [07:21:34] inflating: store/catalog/admin/geo_zones.php [07:21:36] inflating: __MACOSX/store/catalog/admin/._geo_zones.php [07:21:38] creating: store/catalog/admin/images/ [07:21:40] jeronim: /mode +m [07:21:40] inflating: store/catalog/admin/images/ani_send_email.gif [07:21:42] creating: __MACOSX/store/catalog/admin/images/ [07:21:44] inflating: __MACOSX/store/catalog/admin/images/._ani_send_email.gif [07:21:46] inflating: store/catalog/admin/images/cal_close_small.gif [07:21:58] <|X|> A quiet would probably do too. [07:22:02] Thank you, Tim. :-) [07:22:10] I suppose that was unintentional? [07:22:25] Asterisky, next time please read the topic first ;-) don't paste text to the channel, use http://rafb.net/paste/ [07:22:42] jeronim: You too. :-) [07:23:22] my IRC client doesn't have a quiet button [07:23:59] <|X|> So just /move +q manually [07:24:19] Heh. [07:24:21] <|X|> Did you at least have to type in the hostname? [07:24:23] he's spamming me blank lines by private message [07:24:33] so I'm happy to leave it as a ban for now [07:24:39] <|X|> Ok :) [07:24:57] i'mn surpised the freenode server didn't automatically kill him for flooding [07:24:59] btw: the +z lets you see his otherwise quieted messages while you're opped [07:25:09] -n [07:25:20] (that confused werd at least twice, heh) [07:25:29] You're a +z. [07:25:41] *Splarka sets mode +z [07:26:03] Take every +z! [07:26:12] that is some impressive pastitutde though [07:26:46] *MZMcBride wonders how one would pronounce 'pastitutde' ... [07:28:08] http://192.20.225.55/tts/speech/7bf2c15968132117b0dbd21d38a0812a.wav [07:28:59] -utde is an unusual suffix. [07:29:14] we've talked about this yknow [07:29:21] *MZMcBride grins. [07:29:32] You're the one who busted out the .wav on me. [07:29:33] yk- is an unusual prefix too [07:30:42] MZM:... after you 'started' it [07:30:46] puzz: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/yk [07:30:57] hello [07:31:06] Splarka: <3 [07:31:42] mzm: http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5917/grammartimegi7.jpg [07:31:44] i hane new install and and have a problem [07:31:58] Haha. [07:32:05] Parse error: parse error, unexpected T_STATIC, expecting T_OLD_FUNCTION or T_FUNCTION or T_VAR or '}' in /mounted-storage/home69a/sub005/sc14717-HKKO/wiki.macfiles/includes/AutoLoader.php on line 10 [07:32:20] Splarka: What did you use to create that text-to-speech link? [07:32:52] what i need to do? [07:32:52] what i need to do? [07:33:40] ronens: Read http://mwusers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=29828 ? [07:33:54] IckyShuffle: http://www.research.att.com/~ttsweb/tts/demo.php#top [07:37:05] Splarka: That's really cool. I am a long time Mac user and that's much better than Apple's Text To Speech, even the new voice Alex for OS X Leopard. http://192.20.225.55/tts/speech/131d89acc6dead6dffe0b134e72cffb1.wav [07:40:50] IckyShuffle: yah, now they just need to open source some of it [07:41:05] heh [07:41:26] IckyShuffle: I like constructing sentences out of merriam webster's online .wav library, sounds like a mad robot [07:41:37] Splarka: That would be great to be able to call it. You can do that from Mac OS X but OS X Server is a little expensive! [07:41:58] Splarka: Ha! Fun with speech! [07:42:59] http://cougar.eb.com/sound/a/aspart01.wav [07:43:47] almost every word follows a predictable pattern like that (or you can navigate through the m-w.com website which is a mess now)... /w/wxxxxx01.wav, zero padded, so car is /c/car00001.wav [07:46:50] Where are current blocks stored for users? [07:46:55] ipblocks is only for anons, right? [07:47:29] you're stored for users [07:47:53] I don't believe that's true. [07:48:44] well, I guess that makes you a pessimist and me an opportunist [07:48:58] *Splarka leaves a crumb for you ^ [07:48:59] Splarka: Well done! I'll have to start sending all my friends customized messages! [07:49:04] haha [07:49:13] almost as fun as Tom Baker Sings [07:49:24] god, I'd kill to get that program from BT [07:49:49] (they digitized Tom Baker.. but only for a brief promotion) [07:50:28] Ha! Oh man... I gotta check that out but for now... I'm gonna hit it! Ciao. Thanks for the awesome entertainment!!!! HAve a nice Xmas eve and XMas [07:50:30] Oh, it is in ipblocks. [07:50:32] How annoying. [07:51:56] *Splarka feeds off of MZM's annoyance [07:52:16] Eww. It's also stored in ipb_address. [07:52:24] haha, oddly and inaccurately named due to legacy! hah! [07:52:44] Stonehenge is not a henge! [07:58:26] *MZMcBride stabs Splarka. [07:58:49] if you strike me down I shall become more powerful.. ow [07:59:07] MZM: how goes that search for space extension project? [07:59:20] *Splarka obfuscates the question a bit for your enjoyment [07:59:41] Heh. [07:59:58] VasilievVV: Ping? [08:04:38] dungodung|sleep: Ping? [08:04:40] dungodung|sleep: [08:04:42] Oop. [08:06:13] Splarka: The goal is to find \._foo$ on all wikis? [08:06:34] only in NS-6 and only where there is media associated [08:06:54] That would generally mean querying the image table, not page. [08:07:03] my LocalSettings.php file to be destroyed :-/ [08:07:06] well, I guess there won't be _that_ many pages without media [08:07:27] -> http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Foo_bar._gif except here is one more, heh [08:07:42] but yes MZM, that what you said [08:07:58] since they are no longer creatable they should be found and then... well, I dunno [08:08:05] put yellow stars on their sleeves I guess [08:08:15] Ouch. [08:08:54] whare i find a new file? [08:08:54] or wait for image moving to be enabled everywhere [08:09:12] File:Do_not_move,_this_is_an_example_of_a_bad_MIME_filetype._gif [08:09:13] ronens: it is shipped mostly empty, all the default settings are in DefaultSettings.php [08:09:20] Cute, that. [08:09:24] MZM: funny story, see recent changes [08:09:35] 10x [08:09:52] I uploaded a file as a test, someone... fixed it... but I couldn't move it back! [08:10:16] the file mover was smarter than the file uploader for spacey extensions [08:12:09] *MZMcBride queries en.wiki. Let's be real, it's the only wiki I care about. [08:12:17] Finished already. [08:13:00] Maximum letters in a file extension? [08:13:40] .flibblegibbits [08:13:46] .djvu maybe? hmm [08:13:55] One file on en.wiki. Heh. [08:14:57] Body_MindSoul._jpg [08:15:16] publically: gif, jpg, jpeg, png, xcf, pdf, mid, ogg, ogv, svg, djvu [08:15:47] on the private wikis: ppt, doc, xls, eps, zip, odf, odp, ods, odt, wmv, dv, avi, mov, mp3, aif, aiff, ppd, indd, inx, psd, ai [08:16:02] they get all the toys [08:16:53] My regex was \._[A-Za-z]{3,5}$ [08:17:29] \._[A-Za-z0-9]{2,5}$ [08:18:59] Still only one result for en.wiki. [08:19:17] commons? [08:20:01] Are you really curious? :P [08:20:09] sadistically, a bit [08:22:46] Commons is slow....... [08:23:09] well there's probably a crapton more files [08:23:36] that's the metric unit there, not the imperial one [08:23:52] metric craptonne [08:24:00] crapton, shitton, fuckton? [08:24:30] 1.07 English craptons, 2.518 US Short tons, 1.259 US Long tons [08:24:35] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Check_Wikipedia may be of interest (large parge) to be people who like stats and shit. [08:25:49] allo allo mediawiki [08:26:03] WP:PEDANT WP:NOLIFE and WP:LOSER should redirect there, mzm [08:26:10] *Splarka hides [08:26:14] haha [08:26:16] oh you [08:26:34] no crazy css questions this evening ;) [08:26:47] this: that was in response to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Check_Wikipedia may be of interest (large parge) to be people who like stats and shit. [08:27:00] :O [08:27:10] i do have a question though on the gnu doc [08:27:29] is yours sick? [08:27:47] if you export pages from wikipedia for your own wiki, is it legal to place ads on your wiki [08:27:55] Yes. [08:27:58] yep, GFDL [08:28:08] attribute and backlink and worship Jimmy [08:28:13] you just have to have your wiki be gfdl as well [08:28:15] other than that, free monies [08:28:19] Nope. [08:28:25] you don't need a wiki [08:28:29] but the material is GFDL [08:29:00] :P :-/ :-) [08:29:04] if you have it editable and displayable (distributable) after editiableness is editablenessified, it stays in GFDL and needs attributes [08:29:26] (that's like garlic and crosses to MZM) [08:29:30] just wanted to make sure, im doing a city based wiki and have copied a good chunk of articles from wikipedia to my wiki that i know people will never write and im doing ads now with local companies, wanted to make sure i was staying legal [08:29:37] Heh. [08:29:55] thisisengage: Perhaps ask a lawyer? ;-) :P [08:30:06] im too poor for a lawyer :) [08:30:09] IANANAL [08:30:14] splarka is my lawyer [08:30:23] sounds like a question for Ask Slashdot then ;) [08:30:26] (I am not a nasty anal lawyer) [08:30:39] Anal in what sense? [08:30:42] hahaha [08:30:54] in the only sense [08:31:10] where dya think freud got the term? [08:31:13] splarka do you work for wikipedia, or just have a man crush on jimmy, i see you here nightly [08:31:22] Haha. [08:31:25] hello [08:31:37] I have no life and came here for an answer to a question like 3 years ago [08:31:44] now I've forgot the question (no answer) [08:31:48] Splarka: everything has a limit :o [08:31:50] though you were a good help the other night, so believe me, im not complaining! [08:32:04] Not complaining, just being a dick? [08:32:08] now this is like the best interactive MMORPG ever [08:32:12] no, im too nice to be a dick [08:32:27] Splarka: Your query angers the Commons... [08:33:00] you get bonuses (temporary promotions), real threats of death (dev stabs)... progress (editcountitis), flamewars (grammar nazi quests) [08:33:16] Haha. [08:33:16] questions and bugs are the main objectives though [08:33:22] Grammar Nazi is deprecated. [08:33:26] Grammar pedophile is preferred. [08:33:33] Or so I'm told. [08:33:47] yes, M.C. Grammar is the new hotness [08:34:14] Nikerabbit: oop, which limit? [08:34:15] Can't touch this? [08:34:21] that's what she said :/ [08:34:32] Heh. [08:34:34] Splarka: which is translated and what is not [08:34:35] critical zinger [08:34:37] *Splarka levels up [08:35:02] Nikerabbit: wow, dawn-sequitur [08:35:13] (that's like a non-sequitur but a day later) [08:35:33] Nikerabbit: Infinity has a limit? [08:35:35] :E [08:35:38] MZMcBride: yes [08:36:02] hmm, at least they're not based in the US [08:36:03] once you don't find trousers that fit you, you are too infinite [08:36:07] the car makers here are suffering badly [08:36:35] Car jokes. >_> [08:37:10] (spelt differently, but yah) [08:37:39] *MZMcBride NP: "All I Want for Christmas Is You" by Mariah Carey from Merry Christmas [08:37:45] *MZMcBride dances with Splarka. [08:37:46] wow that query finally finished :D [08:38:00] OverlordQ: Which? [08:38:53] and they call the windbag Mariah [08:38:54] oh i was bored so I ran that regex against commons too :P [08:38:58] MZM: ever seen Paint Your Wagon? [08:39:04] Nope. [08:39:10] OverlordQ: Bah! [08:39:12] where "Mariah" came from [08:39:18] ps, 8 :P [08:39:37] My query was for all titles. [08:39:38] Clint Eastwood and Lee Marvin in a musical... [08:39:41] 'cause I'm lazy. [08:40:00] and they're all ._jpg too [08:40:09] same uploader? [08:40:17] ooh, and a ._pdf [08:40:32] nope, all diff [08:40:39] When will image moving go live... [08:40:41] how i can reinstall mediawiki? [08:54:54] ronens: just download the last stable version, install it in a new folder. [08:55:02] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ#Upgrading [09:09:57] 04(REOPENED) CSS tweak for Safari - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1941 +comment (10michael) [09:16:30] det kunde ju vara kul :-) [09:16:51] *BjornH sorry, wrong channel. [09:47:17] Appeal to emotion... [09:57:50] Can you transfer a wikipedia article to your wiki? [09:58:23] Yes. [09:58:41] as long as you follow the terms of the license [09:58:59] You can even ignore this if you want.. ;-) [09:59:01] s/this/those [09:59:01] How do you do it though? Can you do {{}}? [09:59:17] Heh. No. Special:Export / Special:Impor† [09:59:32] Thanks [10:00:56] Impordagger? [10:04:23] Anyway to do it without the redlinks? [10:04:40] Not really. [10:04:44] import them too [10:04:56] delinkify them [10:04:58] Splarka: It's late. :-( [10:05:08] Prefix them with wikipedia: [10:05:19] ...? [10:05:33] [[Foo]] becomes [[wikipedia:Foo]]... [10:05:34] !interwiki [10:05:34] --mwbot-- Interwiki links are links between wikis. For instance, on Wikibooks, [[w:Article name]] or [[Wikipedia:Article name]] will link to a Wikipedia article. To set up interwiki links, see and . For easy configuration, use [10:05:38] ^ thingy [10:05:55] oh, shit, it is late [10:06:05] So :P [10:06:51] But there is like 50 million links? Anyway to use a tag [10:10:43] ? [10:56:03] hi [10:56:17] there are a way for list a category in other page? [10:59:10] 03(FIXED) CSS tweak for Safari - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1941 +comment (10locke.cole.wiki) [11:15:48] anyone? [11:49:48] 03dale * r44996 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/ (5 files in 4 dirs): external media wizard path fixes, fixes to metavid clips import [12:27:31] *werdnum waves [12:31:51] 03(FIXED) Search engine hangs for certain keywords - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16706 +comment (10rainman) [12:46:18] hi, im a novice media wiki developer. jst I ve installed da 1.13.3 version. only default monobook skin works nice. bt rest of da skin shows broken. [12:47:05] if i set some other skin as default after that same problem [12:47:55] here s the link http://fedora.computer.net.bd/wiki/index.php/ [12:49:42] apocalyptic: What skin is that? [12:50:05] its fedora skin 4m fedora wiki [12:50:19] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ [12:50:35] then there is something wrong with that skin [12:53:51] 03(NEW) Dead math image URL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16779 trivial; normal; MediaWiki extensions: DumpHTML; (emmanuel) [12:54:36] Wuzur , i ve changed da default skin to ¨chick¨, same problem [12:55:42] No, this is how chick looks like [12:58:01] Wuzur, ok, thn can u help me out da prob wd fedora skin? atleast if u can sugest me? [12:58:32] sorry, did you install that skin correctly? [13:03:16] 03(NEW) Other Input for arraymaps - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16780 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic Forms; (dasch_87) [13:05:54] Wuzur, u meant upload? i ve uploaded the theme to my /wiki/skin directory, dn 4m preference i changed it [13:06:21] hmm, were did you dowload it from? [13:06:36] Wuzur, anythng else i hve to do to install the theme? [13:07:05] 4m fedora git [13:08:04] http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=fedora-web.git;a=tree;f=fedoraproject.org/mediawiki;h=5af1424a7f0e5ed2a5fa455c4de622b167dd1157;hb=HEAD [13:08:06] not that I can think of [13:08:18] hi ialex [13:09:00] hello werdnum [13:09:18] Wuzur, dere hs da debs.php, .php and fedora folder [13:19:22] 03(NEW) API and UI limits are inconsistent - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16781 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: API; (matthew.britton) [13:20:53] 03(mod) Number of active users is 100,000 off at en.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16775 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [13:30:25] 03ialex * r44997 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.hooks.php: For compatibility with PHP 5.3, removing reference to $action since it's passed "by value", resulting in E_WARNING. [13:34:35] ialex: reference from? [13:34:53] Nikerabbit: in function definition [13:35:35] ialex: reference to something is a different thingie? [13:35:43] function userCanMove( $title, $user, &$action, &$result ) -> function userCanMove( $title, $user, $action, &$result ) [13:36:28] (for userCan hook) [13:37:01] mm [13:37:46] since the hook is called with "wfRunHooks( 'userCan', array( &$this, &$user, $action, &$result ) )", PHP 5.3 won't accept $action to be a reference [13:43:34] 03(mod) exclamation mark on RC - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16724 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [13:44:38] weird beast [13:47:43] 03(mod) CSS tweak for Safari - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1941 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [13:50:04] moin [13:53:14] hi [13:53:28] what's the sql prefix for mediawiki's tables? wk_ ? [13:53:54] person who installs can decide it [13:55:25] 03(mod) API and UI limits are inconsistent - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16781 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [13:55:27] 03siebrand * r44998 10/trunk/extensions/SecurePasswords/ (SecurePasswords.i18n.php SecurePasswords.php): Support plural in 'securepasswords-minlength'. [13:56:06] Nikerabbit: what's the default? [13:56:31] ycy: mw_ or nothing I guess [13:56:41] ycy: default is ''. [14:00:56] 04(REOPENED) CSS tweak for Safari - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1941 +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [14:26:25] hey Simetrical [14:26:41] Simetrical: I'm in NYC on either the 31st or the 1st/2nd [14:26:58] And *probably* again later in the year (April/May) [14:31:38] We should meet up for pizza or something. [14:32:24] Indeed. [14:32:43] What's worth seeing in NYC, incidentally:? [14:33:05] You think locals ever look at the tourist attractions? [14:33:16] I don't think I've ever been to the Statue of Liberty. [14:33:41] Last time I saw Empire State, Statue (on a ferry ride round the island), MNH, central park, times square, ground zero, those bus rides around, most of the big stores, blah blah blah. [14:33:42] The Empire State Building once or twice. Plus this past semester I went to school across the street from it two days a week. [14:33:54] I'm after something less touristy now that I've seen most of the touristy stuff. [14:34:35] Well, the non-touristy stuff is mostly like "the grocery store on the corner I forgot to go to this morning to get soda, make a mental note to go later today". [14:34:38] Like anywhere. [14:34:56] *werdnum giggles. [14:35:16] We visited the (East village?) last time, and that was nice. [14:35:18] *Simetrical really did just remember that he forgot that [14:35:19] Some good pizza. [14:36:26] does wfMsgHTML() process plural? If not, what is needed to have it processed? [14:37:18] (need to make some changes to messages used in extensions/Tasks/Tasks.php, lines 1398, and 1365) [14:37:48] return wfMsgReplaceArgs( htmlspecialchars( wfMsgGetKey( $key, true ) ), $args ); [14:38:20] function wfMsgGetKey( $key, $useDB, $langCode = false, $transform = true ) { [14:38:29] $transform determines whether PLURAL is done. [14:38:35] So yes, PLURAL is done with wfMsgHTML [14:38:47] *siebrand hugs werdnum. [14:40:24] Why do I have a $wgProxyKey on my mediawiki installs (1.12.0 and 1.9.3) ? If I understand correctly this page : http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgSecretKey it's not supposed to be use since 1.4, right ? [14:41:10] I think $wgProxyKey is a fallback for $wgSecretKey [14:42:14] metheocrite, 1.12 > 1.4 [14:42:46] Platonides: He understands that. [14:42:53] metheocrite: We kept it in the config to be safe. [14:43:11] Don't worry about it :) [14:43:35] werdnum, I wasn't too sure the way he formulated it :P [14:44:07] werdnum: it doesn't help if the plural is transformed it it has no valid input for it [14:44:36] hmm, this is true. [14:44:41] I forgot about that. [14:44:59] Does replaceArgs do the PLURAL and such? [14:45:06] werdnum: Nikerabbit kind of disagrees. [14:45:13] ow, too late :) [14:45:20] it only does str_replace for the variables, ircc [14:45:25] damn. [14:45:49] is that a bug in wfMsgHTML, or just a 'not supported'? [14:45:54] so, no luck, just something that seems to work (returns always the plural case for English) [14:46:26] siebrand: it is a technical limitation we can't fix easily [14:46:55] siebrand: but you can actuallt make it wfMsg if it doesn't take anything except the number as an parameter [14:48:12] "werdnum metheocrite: We kept it in the config to be safe." <= Ok, but why on a default installation is it still named $wgProxyKey and not $wgSecretKey ? [14:48:25] Not that it really matters, it's just out of curiosity. [14:49:17] Nikerabbit, why? [14:49:50] Er, wait. [14:49:53] *Simetrical got confused there [14:49:58] I know, those suck [14:50:03] *Simetrical still wants to know why, but for a different reason [14:50:16] If you do wfMsg(), that allows arbitrary HTML, yes? That's not good. [14:50:33] My only concern is this : I'm upgrading 3 differents wiki installs in the same one (a farm with a shared LocalSettings.php that calls curstom LocalSettings*.php). Should I just keep the $wgProxyKey and copy it in every curstom LocalSetting*.php ? [14:50:35] wfMsgHtml and wfMsgWikiHtml should only be used for few rare cases if at all [14:50:50] but wfMsgHtml is often used for shortand for wfMsg + htmlspecialchars [14:51:07] which it happens to be when no params are passed [14:52:12] 03siebrand * r44999 10/trunk/extensions/Tasks/ (Tasks.i18n.php Tasks.php): Add plural for 'tasks_see_your_assignments', and 'tasks_my_assignments'. Thanks to Werdna, Nikerabbit and IAlex for the help. [14:52:41] so who will make r45000? [14:53:38] 03ialex * r45000 10/trunk/extensions/BreadCrumbs/BreadCrumbsFunctions.php: Same as r44997, fix compatibility with PHP 5.3 [14:53:48] ha! :) [14:53:51] ialex apparently :P [14:53:52] bah! [14:54:12] *siebrand applauds ialex. [14:54:31] yay [14:57:04] siebrand: You should have updated the languages directory with the latest BetaWiki translations to get r45000 XD [14:57:40] FunPika: last commit of l10n was < 24 hours ago. I try not to do them too often. [14:58:35] FunPika: however, we will divide EUR 1000 over all translators that make more than 500 new translations in the MediaWiki namespace on Betawiki in the last week of 2008. I hope that will get us closer to the 2008 MediaWiki localisation goals than we are now. [14:58:58] Secretly I hope that 20 users will be able to make more than 500 new translations in that week. [14:59:20] :D [14:59:32] siebrand: how many untranslated there was for fi? [15:00:02] Nikerabbit: thousands, mainly in 'all extensions'. [15:00:13] siebrand: mmm, let's see how the new guy perfoms [15:03:06] Nikerabbit: fi Suomi 100.00% 100.00% 99.81% 43.17% [15:03:38] Nikerabbit: the last group is 6000 messages, so Finnish is ~3500 short. [15:05:55] awww [15:05:58] 03nikerabbit * r45002 10/trunk/phase3/languages/Language.php: * No need to use is_null here [15:05:58] that is lotsa of stuff [15:09:08] Nikerabbit: about a work week of translating... [15:18:07] 03nikerabbit * r45003 10/trunk/extensions/Tasks/Tasks.php: * formatNum [15:54:06] hey, can anyone here tell me if mediawiki can handle blocking CIDR /15 ranges and lower? [15:54:38] is there a config setting I can turn on or is it not possible because it can't be handled [15:56:38] anyone? [15:59:44] Alexfusco5, it could be done [16:00:02] but you would need to patch it [16:00:13] the reason it is not possible is that it could do a lot of harm [16:00:34] Platonides: then can a config setting possibly be added? [16:00:43] (by you perhaps?) [16:01:02] 03(mod) API and UI limits are inconsistent - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16781 (10matthew.britton) [16:01:02] perhaps [16:01:10] but not by me [16:01:14] I don't have commit access [16:01:26] hrm [16:05:28] 03(mod) CSS tweak for Safari - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1941 (10michael) [16:10:29] 03(mod) CSS tweak for Safari - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1941 +comment (10evula) [16:21:29] is there a chart extension on mediawiki? [16:24:01] 03(mod) API and UI limits are inconsistent - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16781 (10roan.kattouw) [16:25:47] 03(NEW) Refer to Project:Babel in Babel-autocreate-reason - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16782 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Babel; (Eugene.Zelenko) [16:28:21] I have problem regarding Categorization using Templates. [16:31:57] I have previously introduced a category through a Template. Later remove that categorization by editing the template. But the Category is reflected in all articles but one. [16:32:10] It seem to get struck with one article remaining.. [16:36:47] how's the job queue? [16:36:57] 03(NEW) MediaWiki:Cannotdelete should include a log extract - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16783 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Deleting; (happy_melon) [16:37:37] It is Zero :) [16:37:59] 03(mod) MediaWiki:Cannotdelete should include a log extract - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16783 (10happy_melon) [16:38:00] 03(mod) Clean up the rendering of messages displayed at the top of the edit window - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16175 (10happy_melon) [16:39:08] I mean several categories are existing like that which one or more articles being categorized. The funny part is that category do not show up in the Article Page themselves. [16:40:14] there's something odd [16:41:26] 03(mod) MediaWiki:Cannotdelete should include a log extract - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16783 +comment (10mikelifeguard) [16:43:13] Platonied, is the DB damaged by anyway ? [16:46:08] seems inconsistent [16:46:20] so wat should I do ? [16:46:29] some script on maintenance folder should be able to fix it [16:46:43] or you could purge all those pages [16:47:21] I will try purging and get Back . Thanks a Lot for your Help :) [16:49:45] no problem [16:56:35] Purging has no effect.. [16:56:44] It just clears the local cashe, doesn't it ? [16:56:49] *cache [17:02:27] Platonides, I tried clearing Cache. No Effect. [17:02:41] I hope the only way is to run the Maintanence scripts. [17:03:01] Any Idea, which script should be used to remove Database Inconsistancy ? [17:10:53] vInOdH, I'm not sure about it [17:14:01] But it is due to DB inconsistency, right ? [17:23:46] 03(mod) CSS tweak for Safari - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1941 (10michael) [17:46:28] 03(mod) CSS tweak for Safari - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1941 +comment (10Gerard.meijssen) [17:56:47] TimStarling, could you comment here? https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1941 [18:03:33] Simetrical: at least someone should say we don't care about wikipedia (in a that sense) :E [18:04:32] "was consensus gained on Wikipedia to “fix” this bug in the first place?" [18:07:07] Nikerabbit, someone has to say that every time. [18:07:14] They can change it back with one or two lines in Common.css. [18:07:28] They don't actually care what the software default is at all. [18:09:45] "my copy of Opera is using a different monospace font now." [18:09:52] What kind of broken default CSS would cause that? [18:11:28] Simetrical: are you still talking about the same thing? [18:12:08] Yes? [18:12:54] I don't understand what is the need to fiddle with defaults in this case [18:16:42] Nikerabbit, nor do I. [18:16:56] "Consistency across browsers" is not desirable per se. [18:19:04] it could be awesome gadget for some to specifically allow proportional text [18:24:04] 03(mod) "Appeal from Jimmy" notice text overflows box with large fonts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16773 +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [18:28:40] Simetrical: ooh you too [18:29:24] Me too what? [18:29:40] Simetrical: have it fugly [18:29:54] xdpyinfo | grep resolution resolution: 96x96 dots per inch [18:30:10] mm, how comes my machine has forgotten the real dpi I've told it [18:35:00] resolution: 94x95 dots per inch [18:35:00] resolution: 81x81 dots per inch [18:35:19] *awaynomie sees text overflowing in some direction on pretty much every one of those banners. [18:35:46] As I pointed out on the bug, it seems to be due to unnecessary CSS rules, at least in this case. [18:36:03] It restricts the container to 500px but breaks lines explicitly anyway . . . [18:36:16] is this now life ? [18:36:33] Of course, one might ask why pixel-based sizes are being used at all, given IE's atrocious treatment of them. [18:36:37] GerardM, is what now live? [18:37:02] this change for Safari ? [18:37:22] IT BROKE THE SUPPORT FOR THE LN.WIKIPEDIA [18:37:46] How can we get this reverted ? [18:38:04] GerardM: why do you think so? [18:38:28] Because I am looking at something that USED to work and now no longer works as it should [18:39:02] let's see [18:39:37] Wikimedia sites updated to r44990 [18:40:15] it was changed in r44528. [18:41:05] tough luck [18:41:09] ? [18:41:19] neither tim or brion has commented on it [18:41:41] Right probably because they did not expect this result [18:49:54] 03(mod) CSS tweak for Safari - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1941 (10Gerard.meijssen) [18:50:54] Do I need to do more to raise this ? [18:56:05] GerardM, I'll revert it, but Tim or Brion still needs to sync the revert for it to do anything. [18:56:15] Thank you [18:56:48] Now does this mean that there may be a solution for these other browsers ? [18:57:47] GerardM, you mean, maybe other browsers would work if they used proportional fonts? I don't know, try it. [18:58:01] Add textarea { font-family: sans-serif; } to MediaWiki:Common.css. [19:03:56] is there a way to add an identifier to a numbered list, so that if i do something like: # first item, then
 hi 
, then # second item [19:04:06] the second item will show as 2. instead of 1. [19:04:33] i tried.. #:id #:second #second #two #2 with no luck [19:07:25] I think I might have just committed more changes than I meant to. [19:07:29] *Simetrical waits to see. [19:07:36] Blast. [19:07:53] 03simetrical * r45004 10/trunk/phase3/includes/OutputPage.php: [19:07:53] Revert "(bug 16707) Add "rel='next'" link to login page to return to last page" [19:07:53] This reverts commit 22524e7e3a432df722438400581d2d56ea566dc2. [19:08:23] *Simetrical reverts r45004 [19:09:08] 03simetrical * r45005 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES skins/common/shared.css): (log message trimmed) [19:09:08] Revert r44528 "(bug 1941) Add textarea { font-family: monospace; } to shared.css for Safari" [19:09:08] Demonstrable regression for Lingala, per [19:09:08] , and [19:09:08] plausibly for some other poorly-supported scripts as well. Also [19:09:12] harmed some other things: [19:09:14] * Can make it hard to work with multiple scripts generally, since [19:09:19] 03simetrical * r45006 10/trunk/phase3/includes/OutputPage.php: Revert revert I accidentally committed [19:10:04] Maybe I shouldn't have done that. Oh well. [19:10:22] 03(mod) CSS tweak for Safari - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1941 (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [19:17:54] :o [19:17:58] Simetrical: what are you using? [19:18:04] looks like git-svn or something [19:18:05] Nikerabbit, git svn. [19:18:11] :D [19:18:21] The alarming thing is that git svn dcommit will commit all local changes. [19:18:31] Even ones you made days ago and thought you had already reverted locally. [19:18:33] Without warning. :) [19:18:46] *Simetrical will see if git svn dcommit HEAD works in the future [19:19:34] :O [19:23:45] I wonder what the point of graduation honors from your college is if you're applying to graduate school. By the time you get them, you're either accepted or denied anyway. [19:24:06] And if you get a graduate degree, nobody is likely to care much about your undergraduate record anyway. [19:24:33] mmm? [19:24:48] I don't know if you even have the same system. [19:25:01] we probably don't :D [19:25:18] or if we do everything has sligly different name or something [19:25:36] You probably have undergraduate and graduate degrees. [19:29:47] I think so [19:35:16] 03rotem * r45007 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/mediawiki-defines.txt: Some more optional messages for Semantic MediaWiki. [20:04:08] 03(mod) CSS tweak for Safari - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1941 (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [20:06:50] 03(mod) Interwiki link "rs:" to point to Serbian Wikimedia chapter website - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16725 +comment (10dungodung) [20:22:04] 03(mod) Making arbitrary rows of sortable tables sticky - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16754 +comment (10dungodung) [20:51:13] hmm [20:51:19] how would I use "=" in templates [20:51:25] that is passing it as a value [20:51:55] {{templatename|somerandomtext=moretext}} doesn't work well [20:52:19] White_Cat, {{templatename|1=...=...}} [20:52:30] heh [20:52:35] I just tried that :D [20:52:41] great minds think alike [21:49:07] 03(mod) "Appeal from Jimmy" notice text overflows box with large fonts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16773 (10tfinc) [21:52:20] 03(WONTFIX) CSS tweak for Safari - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1941 +comment (10brion) [21:56:30] 03(mod) CSS tweak for Safari - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1941 (10michael) [21:58:44] 03(NEW) test.wikipedia.org should pull skin/style/ javascript files from NFS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16784 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (brion) [21:59:49] Merry Christmas good people. [22:00:22] 03(mod) CSS tweak for Safari - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1941 +comment (10brion) [22:00:29] With the risk of being stoned to death... Is it normal for Semantic Mediawiki to be as fragile and useful as a glass hammer? [22:00:43] Every 2-3 tweaks to a article and it locks up the server and I have to reboot it. [22:00:53] !Semantic [22:00:53] --mwbot-- hesaidsemantic [22:01:25] Oberoten, not many SMW people here, usually. Rebooting the server sure shouldn't help any problem it could possibly cause, though. [22:01:35] Hmmm... [22:01:42] ... bad network driver then? [22:01:51] If you really have to reboot the server, my guess is either 1) you don't really have to reboot the server, or 2) it's not SMW's fault (in that order). [22:01:53] I did the rehaul and installed the semantics at the same time. [22:01:58] What symptoms require reboot? [22:02:35] Complete loss of contact with the wiki that runs the Semantics... BUT, I also run a second Wiki for another project and it seems unafected. [22:02:53] (( on same server. )) [22:03:18] As far as I can tell there seems to be some ... confusion for the poor SQL server or something? [22:03:22] What error message do you get when you try to access it? [22:03:26] Exact error message, if possible. [22:03:37] People so often don't save exact error messages, it's terrible. [22:03:38] It just times out, if I try again I get the old 500 [22:04:02] !500 [22:04:02] --mwbot-- the HTTP error code for an internal server error. It is rarely triggered by mediawiki itself and is more commonly a result of a faulty PHP setup or invalid or illegal options in htaccess. See Apache's error log for details. [22:04:03] Is there any way I can try to provoke an actual helpful error message? [22:04:09] ^^ [22:04:15] You need to check your web server's error log. [22:04:23] Ah. I shall go check that and be right back. :) [22:04:26] Many thanks. :) [22:05:47] ... it is NOT a good sign when your error log is reaching some 300 Mb is it? [22:06:12] Perfectly normal if you don't prune it. [22:06:17] Or rotate it, etc. [22:07:12] Pruning time has begun. [22:07:21] Although it still seems a little excessive. [22:07:40] Hi [22:07:45] I get 30 req/s and only a few hundred K in my error log per week (although that's lighttpd, not Apache). [22:08:44] Can anyone here help me set up clean URLs on my mediawiki installation? I've tried lots of guides but nothing seems to work. I am on hostgator shared hosting and the mediawiki installation is on an addon domain on my hostgator account. [22:11:54] 03(mod) "Appeal from Jimmy" notice text overflows box with large fonts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16773 (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [22:11:55] !shorturl | DaveC [22:11:55] --mwbot-- DaveC: To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at . There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem [22:14:10] Yeah I followed the instructions there, didn't work [22:14:23] Tried the instructions on a few other sites as well [22:14:31] Couple questions [22:14:41] when it tells me to edit .htaccess [22:14:49] If I'm on a shared account with addon domains [22:15:10] do they want me to edit .htaccess in the public_html folder [22:15:17] or in the folder for the addon domain itself [22:15:18] Simetrical : ... meeeeeh. ... I am an idiot? I missed a FEW little things. [22:15:20] Like... [22:15:25] ... the proper path to the Tidy command. [22:15:25] 03(mod) "Appeal from Jimmy" notice text overflows box with large fonts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16773 (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [22:15:59] It'd probably have borked no matter what entries I worked with... it is just that I have worked a LOT with the Semantic wiki. [22:16:33] DaveC, it should be in the web root for the domain. [22:16:48] Assuming you don't want your wiki in a subdirectory or something. [22:17:02] well [22:17:23] Its an addon domain. So I ahve the root folder for the domain that I signed up with [22:17:24] and then [22:17:27] I have folders inside that [22:17:31] that are for other domains [22:17:44] would I do it for the root of the domain I signed up with, or for the root of the other addon domains [22:17:53] well addon domain [22:18:11] DaveC, the web root for the domain you're working with. This is the folder that appears right after the first / following your domain name. [22:18:25] And your domain name means your full domain name, everything in http://*/. [22:19:19] Okay [22:19:39] 03(mod) Making arbitrary rows of sortable tables sticky - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16754 (10rene.kijewski) [22:20:08] also, when guides tell me to edit LocalSettings.php, do they mean the one in the mediawiki root folder, or the one in the config folder [22:20:41] DaveC, what one in the config folder? There shouldn't be one there, you're supposed to have moved it when you installed MediaWiki. [22:21:07] Oh okay, I probably just copied it and didnt delete the one in the config [22:21:10] Thanks [22:23:38] Simetrical: How hard would it be to get something like https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2315 be to implement? [22:23:48] (Ignore the grammar.) [22:29:26] Ah... now it looks like it works. [22:29:30] Lets see if I can break it. [22:30:16] ... yes I could. [22:30:22] Hmmm... [22:31:08] [Wed Dec 24 23:30:30 2008] [error] [client 84.244.189.99] PHP Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in C:\\WWW\\wiki\\includes\\db\\Database.php on line 579 [22:31:18] ... should I increase this or? [22:31:51] I also get this error which seems to be related to the lockups. : [Wed Dec 24 23:30:16 2008] [error] [client 92.48.203.122] PHP Notice: Undefined variable: wgSkipSkin in C:\\WWW\\wiki\\includes\\Setup.php on line 183 [22:32:34] Php setting error you think? [22:37:11] Hi, I can't create the page "sniggerer" on Wiktionary ""The title "sniggerer" has been banned from creation. It matches the following blacklist entry: .*NIGGER.*"" - but that regex isn't on our [[Mediawiki:Titleblacklist]] - where should I look for the regex to fix it? [22:37:43] The global title blacklist. [22:37:52] [[m:Titleblacklist]]. [22:38:02] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Title_blacklist [22:38:16] urgh [22:38:17] That's a rather dump regex/ [22:38:21] dumb, even [22:38:28] Oh! [22:38:31] I can fix it. [22:38:34] fix it. [22:38:50] Marybelle: that'd be great thanks [22:39:00] I have adminship there now. [22:39:01] *ST47 cheers for Marybelle [22:39:14] cirwin: Try now? :-) [22:39:27] I switched it to look for word boundaries. [22:39:28] I feel sorry for anyone called Janus - no usernames for them.. [22:39:30] That should do it. [22:39:30] thanks [22:39:57] No problem. [22:40:04] no - presumably a cache issue [22:40:16] I'll leave it a bit and try again [22:41:06] Marybelle: so what if someone wanted to make [[Nigger]]? [22:41:23] it should be allowed... [22:41:23] It's already been made? [22:41:29] not everywhere [22:41:32] On every wiki that exists? [22:41:40] Some of these regexes are a bit broad. [22:41:41] there are a few hundred wiktionaries that won't have it yet [22:41:43] yes... [22:41:44] Or Template:Nigger [22:41:50] and they really shouldn't be on the global scale [22:41:51] or User:Sandbox/Nigger [22:42:04] Take it up on Meta. [22:42:12] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Title_blacklist [22:45:55] 03(mod) "Appeal from Jimmy" notice text overflows box with large fonts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16773 (10tfinc) [22:54:35] Oh ... I see... [22:54:48] ... that is actually INTERESTING. [22:57:42] I see a LOT of connections trying to add pages without having a user (I am REAL glad non-users can't add pages? ) [22:59:55] Eh... anyone have any advice on how to avoid this aside from the basic dissalowing non-users to add pages? [23:00:45] Marybelle, very unlikely to happen. [23:01:06] Simetrical: I'd be quite a nice feature, though.. [23:01:27] Not really in-scope for core MediaWiki. (And I don't think it would be *that* useful.) [23:01:44] Enumerating tables is nice. [23:02:21] I mean, things like Excel include enumeration by default. How else can one grasp scope? [23:02:58] We don't really provide anything like it, though. It's not the sort of thing we provide special syntax for. [23:03:10] We have ordered lists, but that's just HTML
    , we don't actually handle the numbering. [23:04:02] We have all sorts of goofy special syntax. [23:04:06] ; for example. [23:04:12] I think this would be a bit more useful. ;-) [23:04:14] That just exposes the HTML
    element. [23:04:31] We have lots of goofy syntax that exposes HTML in a friendlier fashion. [23:04:44] We don't have much of any that tracks state extensively in the parser for things not supported natively in HTML. [23:04:50] 03siebrand * r45008 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (23 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-12-25 00:00 CET) [23:04:59] HTML is lame, though. :P [23:05:11] No reason to not expand upon its capabilities with better features. [23:05:21] for numbered lists when there can be unknowns etc 1. 2. 3. ?., x. etc i use the ;1.:definition format but then wrap it in a
    which makes it look more like a table [23:05:59] useful for competition results and other simple 2 column data stuff [23:06:05] and easier than table markup [23:06:36] Table markup is pretty easy. [23:07:03] but it is more complicated and slower to edit than ;blah:something [23:07:09] 03(NEW) Switch in bicubic image scaling for client-side thumbnailing in Internet Explorer - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16785 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Images; (brion) [23:07:10] 03(mod) Internet Explorer (IE) issues on Windows (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=640 (10brion) [23:09:08] 03(mod) Making arbitrary rows of sortable tables sticky - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16754 (10dungodung) [23:14:17] 03siebrand * r45009 10/trunk/extensions/ (138 files in 131 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-12-25 00:00 CET) [23:14:25] 03(mod) Wikibits patch #3 - realign sorting icon - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15400 +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [23:14:27] 03(mod) Install PdfHandler extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11215 +comment (10brion) [23:24:49] 03(mod) Wikibits patch #3 - realign sorting icon - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15400 (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [23:26:38] 03(WONTFIX) Wikibits patch #5 - performance optimizations - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15402 +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [23:27:44] ok for the record... why does guessTypesForExtension() return a single item? :) [23:27:46] bah [23:29:33] haha 1941, I called it [23:29:38] *Splarka collects his prize [23:29:54] ? [23:31:22] [08:53:11] Splarka: We could, and probably should, have a gadget to make it _proportional_ [23:31:22] [08:53:13] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1941#c1 [23:31:22] [08:53:38] *Splarka notes the first, and only comment, on the bug, that was conveniently ignored by ya both [23:32:05] it looks like I was the first one, other than the first comment on the bug 3 years ago, to point out it was a stupid change [23:32:19] but MZM and Vyz railroaded it anyway [23:32:31] brion: don't mind me, just gloating [23:32:34] You're Schnargel? [23:32:42] Bah. [23:32:52] Gah, w3.org is down. [23:33:02] Simetrical: "other than the first comment on the bug 3 years ago" [23:33:14] Simetrical, not for me [23:33:37] *brion huggles Splarka [23:33:49] yay! early christmas present [23:34:01] *Splarka is behuggled [23:34:52] CSS should have had an 'undo', but hard to do with cascading [23:35:54] 03(mod) "Appeal from Jimmy" notice text overflows box with large fonts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16773 (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [23:35:56] Yeah, doesn't really make sense. [23:36:00] well, that is your crazy logic.. forcing people to have monospaced textareas is like 1996 logic [23:36:09] 03(mod) Layouts: HTTP redirect loop on existing pages in the main namespace. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16538 +comment (10titi) [23:36:24] (MZM and I argued over this for a while at http://toolserver.org/~amidaniel/chanlogs/%23mediawiki/20081213.txt ) [23:37:35] brion: now I just have to wait to be proven right about the 404s... heh... *hides* (or at least, must-revalidate) [23:38:46] :) [23:39:03] must-revalidate is unrelated to the 404s, except that you happened to notice it for the first time while looking at 404s :) [23:39:59] yes yes [23:40:17] the combination is annoying though [23:43:48] I hate checking my grades. [23:44:02] There's always this 30 seconds of worry while I click through all the stupid forms. [23:44:21] Why don't they send them in an e-mail as soon as they're all in or something, so when I hit ] in Gmail I just suddenly see them all with no buildup? [23:45:50] not being in school anymore saves the worry of checking for one's grades [23:46:11] instead one worries whether the payroll company decided to take out extra taxes from your paycheck right before an automated bill pay ;) [23:46:37] Why do browsers do stuff like give textareas a font other than the default monospace font for the browser? [23:46:44] Or default sans font. [23:46:45] Whatever. [23:47:06] I don't see why you'd want to give any element a font other than one of the fallback categories, if you're writing a browser stylesheet. [23:47:13] Since you can set what the fallback resolves to, after all. [23:49:36] Simetrical: is this the Safari users complaining that monospace hurts their eyes? [23:50:15] 03(mod) Install PdfHandler extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11215 (10brion) [23:53:39] cirwin, related. [23:53:40] Simetrical: because you're Apple and you want your form controls to match the OS [23:54:00] brion, so the form controls are a different font from the normal text, then, I guess? [23:54:03] That would be a legitimate reason. [23:55:52] that's the rumor [23:56:06] brion: ? [23:57:01] what up