[00:03:46] 03siebrand * r45108 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (184 files): [00:03:46] Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-12-28 00:53 CET) [00:03:46] * also rebuild all language files, removing 'bugreports' and 'bugreportspage' [00:08:24] okay, this might seem like a stupid question... but my wiki doesn't seem to always show new lines (ie, I hit enter), I have to use
all the time - am I missing some setting or something? [00:08:59] wikicode is a mix of html and a word processor [00:09:21] Trunks9809, single newlines do nothing. Double newlines start a new paragraph. [00:09:22] in html, newlines are generally ignored (barring 
 and white-space:nowrap/pre)
[00:09:38] 	so wikicode works the same way, use two for... what he said
[00:09:38] 	Single newlines only do something if they terminate a list item or similar, or in preformatted text.
[00:09:55] *Splarka 	bops
[00:11:41] 	aha, preformatting works for what I'm looking for - thanks guys :)
[00:13:49] 	03siebrand * r45110 10/trunk/extensions/ (190 files in 176 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-12-28 00:53 CET)
[00:20:07] 	TimStarling: image captions go through the same parser as page text does, right?
[00:49:19] 	03(mod) Request for a Dutch version of labs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16812  (10lolsimon)
[00:49:38] 	{{subst:PageName}} doesn't seem to be working for me. i'm reading Help:Substitution but just not getting the functionality
[00:49:53] 	on my own wiki, with parserfunctions
[00:50:38] 	{{subst:PAGENAME}} (and it is core, no parserfunction extension needed)
[00:50:52] 	
New Title

[00:51:04] 	would that work for changing the page title?
[00:52:06] 	Splarka, could you have a look? http://grey.colorado.edu/emergent/index.php/Test
[00:54:52] 	
[00:54:58] 	it doesn't
[00:55:01] 	what am I looking at? that isn't a pagename subst
[00:55:21] 	it's not??? they are syntactically identical..
[00:56:00] 	Majorly i have some code to hide it, which might give you a tip as to changing it
[00:56:20] 	03simetrical * r45109 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
[00:56:20] 	Prepend x to section ids not starting with [a-z]
[00:56:20] 	This will break any preexisting links to such sections (other than
[00:56:20] 	those generated by the software, of course). There should be no parser
[00:56:20] 	test regressions.
[00:56:27] 	aib, eh
[00:56:27] 	well, you asked about {{subst:PageName}},. not subst:sometemplate
[00:56:27] 	majorly, css to hide: body.page-Main_Page h1.firstHeading { display:none; }
[00:56:38] 	Simetrical: that's stupid solution
[00:56:40] 	aib, i'm thinking of the title
[00:56:45] 	as in 
[00:56:53] <aib>	ahh
[00:56:57] <Simetrical>	Danny_B, why?
[00:57:24] <aib>	splarka, the page contains a template. at any rate, the docs don't show a distinction
[00:57:35] <aib>	BugzillaReports-1 is not a template ,but it contains one
[00:58:11] <Splarka>	well, subst is only one level deep
[00:58:11] <Danny_B>	1) you've created two anchors for the same place
[00:58:19] <Simetrical>	Danny_B, what?
[00:58:56] <Majorly>	aib, doesn't work anyway
[00:58:58] <Splarka>	aib: well, there is no such Template:BugzillaReports-1, so obviously it fails
[00:59:07] <Simetrical>	If you're suggesting that "1" and "x1" will now be given the same id, they won't.
[00:59:13] <Splarka>	expected behavior for subst:somethingthatdoesn'texist
[00:59:34] <aib>	Splarka, the *article* BugzillaReports-1 exists
[00:59:53] <Splarka>	aib: well, you're not referencing that
[00:59:54] <aib>	majorly, you can do it with javascript easily no?
[01:00:02] <Splarka>	you're asking it to subst Template:BugzillaReports-1
[01:00:09] <aib>	ahh, but this doesn't make a clear distinction
[01:00:12] <Majorly>	i'm technically incompetent :-)
[01:00:13] <aib>	"For the discussion of substitution, an "ordinary template" is any page included by {{subst:pagename }} for pages in the template namespace or {{subst:fullpagename }} for pages in other namespaces. It's also possible to substitute variables and parser functions collectively known as "predefined templates"."
[01:00:24] <aib>	from Help:Substitution
[01:00:30] <Splarka>	{{Foo}} -> Template:Foo -- {{Template:Foo}} -> Template:Foo
[01:00:43] <Splarka>	fine, don't believe me, good luck with that
[01:00:56] <aib>	i believe you, just saying that I RTFM and it confused me:)
[01:01:06] <Splarka>	subst:User:Foo would be User:Foo
[01:01:10] <Splarka>	User:Foo is the full page name
[01:03:05] <aib>	Majorly you only want to change it once, or many times according to a rule?
[01:03:18] <Majorly>	just once...
[01:03:42] <Danny_B>	Simetrical: forget about 1) ;-) i've been reading badly. sorry about that one. however - why the parser test has different behavior than the wiki has?
[01:03:55] <Simetrical>	Danny_B, in what way?
[01:04:09] <Danny_B>	does the wiki currently prepend x?
[01:05:37] <Simetrical>	Danny_B, now it does, yes.
[01:05:58] <Danny_B>	well then you've broken millions of links
[01:06:18] <Simetrical>	Only section links.
[01:06:22] <Simetrical>	Those are unstable anyway in most cases.
[01:06:30] <aib>	majorly something similar to this in MediaWiki:Common.js: function changeTitle(title) { document.title = title; };if (document.title == "TitleYouDontLike") { changeTitle("new title")};
[01:06:30] <Simetrical>	You'll still get to the right page.
[01:06:49] <Simetrical>	And "millions" strikes me as a fairly dramatic exaggeration.
[01:06:52] <Danny_B>	yes only section links; no i don't agree with them being unstable
[01:07:21] <Danny_B>	besides you made anchor names now nonintuitive
[01:07:25] <Simetrical>	They can be changed at any time.  We don't have any mechanism for section redirects or whatever.  It's not a big deal, at most you'll end up on the wrong part of the page.
[01:07:26] <Simetrical>	. . .
[01:07:44] <Simetrical>	So what do you want, then?  They can't start with letters but they have to be intuitive?
[01:07:58] <Danny_B>	yes, so you've created worse solution than the one which was working correctly
[01:08:13] <Majorly>	aib, no luck
[01:08:18] <Simetrical>	The existing solution was wrong, or at the very least not best practices.
[01:08:38] <Simetrical>	Anchor links are already completely unintuitive for most languages anyway.
[01:08:40] <Danny_B>	as i wrote in maillist - what is the necessity of creating other solution than the current working one?
[01:09:16] <Simetrical>	Because 1) I don't think the existing one was right to begin with, 2) it's not good practice to have <a name=""> without id.
[01:09:35] <Danny_B>	who said that?
[01:09:54] <Danny_B>	anchor links were intuitive - they worked. the only issue was in case of the same headers on the page where you had to append the number
[01:10:41] <Simetrical>	And if you used any non-ASCII characters you were completely screwed.
[01:10:48] <Simetrical>	Slight detail there.
[01:10:53] <Danny_B>	nope
[01:10:54] <Simetrical>	Or any kind of markup.
[01:10:56] <Danny_B>	i was not
[01:11:22] <Danny_B>	it got converted and the anchor worked properly
[01:11:24] <aib>	Majorly it works
[01:11:32] <Simetrical>	It still gets converted and the anchor still works properly.
[01:11:39] <Majorly>	aib, not for me
[01:11:48] <Danny_B>	i could have written foo#ěščřž and i got to the section ěščřž
[01:11:49] <Simetrical>	It's just not intuitive, there's an extra rule if you want to manually construct them.
[01:11:51] <aib>	Majorly, the TitleYouDontLike for the Main Page of my wiki was "Main Page - Emergent" which is "Main Page - YourWikiName"
[01:11:58] <Simetrical>	Danny_B, um, really?  In what browser?
[01:12:00] <aib>	also, you have to refresh to get the new javascript
[01:12:04] <Majorly>	aib, ok
[01:12:06] <Simetrical>	I wasn't aware our .xx thing was actually standard.
[01:12:19] <Danny_B>	firefox
[01:12:39] <Simetrical>	Danny_B, doesn't work for me.
[01:12:45] <aib>	majorly open firefox, go to the page and type in the firefox address bar "javascript:alert(document.title)"
[01:12:47] <Simetrical>	Oh, well, now it doesn't.
[01:12:47] <Simetrical>	Sec.
[01:12:59] <Simetrical>	No, doesn't work for me regardless of whether I prepend "x".
[01:13:00] <Danny_B>	it always worked for me
[01:13:19] <Danny_B>	on every wiki
[01:13:24] <Simetrical>	Doesn't work for me, can't help it.
[01:13:26] <Majorly>	aib, got it. Thanks
[01:13:41] <Danny_B>	the you should ask others
[01:13:46] <Majorly>	now I need to remove the header on the page :)
[01:13:56] <Majorly>	or change it at least
[01:14:25] <Simetrical>	At this point I'd be perfectly willing to say to hell with the standards and just put the raw strings in as id's, if that works properly in browsers.
[01:14:43] <aib>	what do you mean the header
[01:14:48] <Simetrical>	This is all a ludicrous amount of brainpower being wasted on a trivial issue that no one should legitimately care about.
[01:15:26] <Danny_B>	the previous solution worked properly. it was valid. it was legal. it was intuitive. so why the hack we have to change it to much worse solution which breaks millions of links and will cause headaches to whoever will want to create the anchor link?
[01:15:43] <Majorly>	the actual title on the page itself
[01:15:56] <Simetrical>	I don't think it was valid or legal, and it *definitely* wasn't best practices.
[01:16:05] <aib>	Simetrical, [[Color of the bikeshed]] :)
[01:16:14] <Danny_B>	it WAS valid
[01:16:25] <Simetrical>	I don't agree and still don't no matter how many times you claim that as undisputed fact.
[01:17:05] <Danny_B>	well, validator is on my side, not on yours ;-)
[01:17:12] <aib>	Majorly, it's a bit more complicated because there is no getElementByClass in javascript
[01:17:15] <Simetrical>	We've been through this and I'm not repeating everything again.
[01:17:32] <Simetrical>	If you have nothing new to add, this is the last line I'm saying here on this.
[01:17:33] <Danny_B>	i agree - idk why you guys were wasting time on finding of other solutions than the one which was used for ages and worked properly and reliably
[01:18:07] <Danny_B>	i'm going to revert your changes because they are massively breaking the functionality
[01:18:19] <Simetrical>	Brion suggested I do it.
[01:18:26] <Simetrical>	They're not "massively breaking" anything.
[01:18:31] <Danny_B>	where, when?
[01:18:33] <aib>	Majorly, I suggest you use the css I posted earlier to hide it, and then use a = Header = at the top of the page
[01:18:35] <Simetrical>	On Wikitech-l.
[01:18:39] <Danny_B>	they are breaking all anchor links
[01:18:53] <Simetrical>	Maybe we should just fix the normalization function the way we'd already
[01:18:53] <Simetrical>	planned to, so that it'll work right the way we'd already planned to?
[01:19:08] <Danny_B>	so far i remember, he was talking about pending discussion
[01:19:18] <Majorly>	aib, but it's possible, because it's done on the English wikipedia main page
[01:19:19] <Simetrical>	So fine, revert it, whatever.
[01:19:50] <aib>	Majorly, I believe I am using the en wp's css to hide it
[01:21:14] <Danny_B>	if you want to prepend the "x" then create some redirection algorithm which will allow people to write the anchors without that
[01:21:39] <Splarka>	aib: (had to get the phone)... to transclude main namespace pages, you do something like {{:foo}} for [[foo]]. This lets the template expansion find the correct page. Guess what you do with subst to disabiguate between [[Template:Foo]] {{subst:foo}} and [[Foo]] ...
[01:21:41] <CIA-59>	03shinjiman * r45111 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): Localisation updates Cantonese, Chinese and Old/Late Time Chinese
[01:21:41] <Simetrical>	I don't think that's even possible.  You'd need an onhashchange event or something.
[01:21:49] <Splarka>	Majorly: they have 1.14
[01:22:01] <Simetrical>	This entire situation is ridiculous, id's should be able to accept arbitrary UTF-8.
[01:22:01] <Majorly>	it's been like that for ages though
[01:22:32] <Simetrical>	As it is, any non-Latin wiki will have complete gibberish for all its ids.
[01:22:48] <aib>	Splarka, {{:BugzillaReports-1}}
[01:22:48] <Majorly>	I'd also like for the main page to have the "last modified" text removed from it
[01:22:52] <aib>	thank you:)
[01:23:04] <Splarka>	aib: right, so now how would you subst: that
[01:23:47] <Splarka>	Simetrical: setInterval checking document.location.hash? (joke)
[01:24:40] <aib>	yay, {{subst::BugzillaReports-1}}
[01:24:43] <aib>	:p
[01:25:11] <Danny_B>	any non latin wiki have no ids at all, they have only <a name> because it allows to begin with dot which is there as the part of encoded string
[01:26:07] <Danny_B>	i should have said "did not have" - now they do because of that massively invalidating change
[01:28:04] <Splarka>	Majorly:  http://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Pagetitle&diff=42027&oldid=23940  should work even in 1.13, as said before
[01:29:06] <Majorly>	Splarka, I got a different solution already
[01:29:35] <aib>	Majorly, javascript:function hideLastModified(){document.getElementById("lastmod").style.display="none";} hideLastModified()
[01:29:39] <aib>	sigh, beaten!
[01:29:51] <Majorly>	nope
[01:29:53] <Majorly>	that's good
[01:30:05] <Majorly>	I still really need the header hiding though
[01:30:09] <Majorly>	still can't find that one our
[01:30:11] <Majorly>	out&
[01:30:14] <Splarka>	well that's silly
[01:30:23] <Splarka>	body.page-Main_Page #lastmod {display:none;}
[01:30:37] <Majorly>	lol
[01:30:40] <aib>	right:)
[01:30:41] <Majorly>	seems so simple
[01:30:50] <Splarka>	you need javascript for the <title> though
[01:30:54] <Splarka>	or parserfunctions
[01:31:06] <Majorly>	no not for <title>
[01:31:08] <Splarka>	for the header:
[01:31:10] <Majorly>	for the page header
[01:31:13] <Splarka>	body.page-Main_Page .firstHeading {display:none;}
[01:31:31] <Majorly>	ok
[01:31:35] <Splarka>	you might also wanna hide #siteSub and #contentSub
[01:33:10] <Majorly>	body.page-Main_Page #lastmod {display:none;} is css right?
[01:33:13] <Majorly>	it doesn't work
[01:33:14] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mainpage
[01:33:27] <Majorly>	oh nvm
[01:33:35] <Splarka>	yes, MediaWiki:Common.css or Skinname.css
[01:33:37] <mati|mcabber>	I was suggesting that particular CSS-hack an hour ago ;-)
[01:33:44] <Splarka>	it does, but not if you do it wrong ^_^
[01:33:46] <Splarka>	mati|mcabber: goldfish memory
[01:33:56] <mati|mcabber>	hehe
[01:34:04] <Splarka>	you have to repeat it until they do it in less than 3 seconds
[01:34:18] <Splarka>	per the above URL:
[01:34:18] <Splarka>	<h3 id="siteSub">From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</h3>
[01:34:27] <Splarka>	<div id="contentSub">  (Redirected from <a href="/w/index.php?title=Mainpage&redirect=no" title="Mainpage">Mainpage</a>)</div>
[01:34:35] <Splarka>	those appear just below .firstHeadinf
[01:34:38] <aib>	Splarka do you use FireBug?
[01:34:44] <Splarka>	g
[01:34:53] <Splarka>	nope
[01:36:40] <Majorly>	last modified is still there
[01:36:57] <aib>	that is the benefit of my javascript. i was able to test that it works from the address bar:)
[01:37:01] <Splarka>	then you did something wrong, find it and fix it
[01:37:09] <Majorly>	fail
[01:37:23] <Splarka>	aib: so can anyone with a mozilla derivative browser
[01:37:39] <Majorly>	the main page on my wiki isn't Main Page
[01:37:44] <aib>	yes but not so with css. unless you have an extension like WebDeveloper, which allows you to change the css in realtime
[01:37:45] <Splarka>	javascript:void(appendCSS('#lastmod {display:none;}'))
[01:37:51] <Majorly>	I replaced it with the one that is
[01:37:55] <Splarka>	Majorly: there is your problem
[01:37:59] <Majorly>	er
[01:38:03] <Splarka>	view page source, find <body> tag, find page- class object
[01:38:04] <Majorly>	I did replace it
[01:38:17] <Splarka>	you did it wrong then
[01:38:24] <Splarka>	(probably)
[01:38:30] <Majorly>	aha!
[01:38:34] <Majorly>	I was using a colon
[01:38:42] <Majorly>	it's apparently an underscore
[01:38:44] <Majorly>	weird
[01:38:44] <Splarka>	right, no colons in class
[01:38:55] <Splarka>	everything odd gets escaped to underscore
[01:39:13] <Splarka>	(eg, non-alphanumeric ascii)
[01:39:33] <Majorly>	oh. You learn something new every day :)
[01:39:43] <Majorly>	yay!
[01:39:55] <Splarka>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/Sanitizer.php?view=co&content-type=text%2Fplain
[01:40:03] <Splarka>	static function escapeClass( $class ) {
[01:40:26] <Splarka>	rtrim(preg_replace(array('/(^[0-9\\-])|[\\x00-\\x20!"#$%&\'()*+,.\\/:;<=>?@[\\]^`{|}~]|\\xC2\\xA0/','/_+/'),'_',$class ), '_');
[01:40:29] <Splarka>	that thingy ^
[01:40:38] <Splarka>	easier to just view page source though
[01:41:25] <Majorly>	works! :) If only I'd known colons weren't allowed...
[01:43:24] <CIA-59>	03soxred93 * r45112 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialInterwiki.php: Use wikitable class for Interwiki table
[01:43:29] <Splarka>	!:
[01:43:29] --mwbot--	To escape the usual function of [[Image:]] links, [[Category:]] links, [[en:Interlanguage]] links, and create an inline simple link, prefix a colon. [[:Image:Wiki.png]], [[:Category:Cats]], [[:en:Foobar]]. A colon can also be used to transclude an article in the main namespace, eg {{:Main_Page}} or {{subst::Main_Page}}. Note: Colons in per-page css classes are escaped to underscores: [[User:Foo]]'s class is "page-User_Foo".
[01:43:34] <Splarka>	colon blow
[01:43:40] <Majorly>	i am somewhat amazed i managed to set this project up relatively painlessly
[01:43:50] <Charitwo>	!!
[01:43:50] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "!". You might try: !blankpage !bundels !cms !cooluris !exclamation !export !help !iframe !import !install !mwbot !next !op !ops !parserfunctions !semantic !test !welcome !wg !wikibugs 
[01:44:06] <Splarka>	!!
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[01:44:07] *|X| 	slaps mwbot
[01:44:24] <Charitwo>	wow that was quick
[01:44:34] <Splarka>	!thatiswhatshesaid
[01:44:34] --mwbot--	
[01:46:25] <_sj_>	I wouldn't be so proud of that
[01:47:20] <_sj_>	!import wikiais
[01:47:20] --mwbot--	To import pages a few pages, use Special:Import - you can also import pages directly from another wiki (see !importsources). For mass imports, use importDump.php - see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Importing_XML_dumps> for details. NOTE: when using content from another wiki, follow the LICENSE TERMS, especially, attribute source and authors!
[01:47:29] <_sj_>	!LICENSE
[01:47:29] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "license". You might try: !copyright !credit !import 
[01:47:36] <_sj_>	!TERMS
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[01:47:41] <_sj_>	!author
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[01:47:55] <_sj_>	that one should simply say "I can't tell you.
[01:48:18] <_sj_>	!ikiwiki
[01:48:18] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "ikiwiki". You might try: !wiki 
[01:48:24] <_sj_>	!splarka
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[01:48:38] <yksinaisyyteni>	why is my screen full of bot spam?
[01:48:43] *|X| 	slaps mwbot2 
[01:48:46] <_sj_>	!super colon blow
[01:48:46] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "super".
[01:48:46] <Splarka>	okay, stop that
[01:48:53] <Splarka>	#mwbot _sj_
[01:49:18] <mati|mcabber>	Splarka, is that an mwbot feature?
[01:49:25] <_sj_>	yks, imagine how the bot feels
[01:49:43] <Splarka>	mati|mcabber: which what?
[01:49:53] <mati|mcabber>	"#mwbot _sj_"
[01:50:14] <Splarka>	no, it is a channel and the user who should be going there
[01:50:44] <Splarka>	all mwbot actions start with ! or @ I believe
[01:53:40] <mati|mcabber>	ah, ok
[02:05:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) On huwikinews cl_timestamp updated unexpectedly, causing trouble with Intersection - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16813  +comment (10danny.b)
[02:05:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Old news keeps popping up on top of the most resent news-lists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16602  (10danny.b)
[02:10:39] <CIA-59>	03soxred93 * r45113 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: Forgot to add RELEASE-NOTES
[02:58:24] <CIA-59>	03soxred93 * r45114 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Quick hack to allow disallowing local editing of the interwiki table.
[03:14:56] <CIA-59>	03mrzman * r45115 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): cleanup to r45102 per Nikerabbit on CodeReview
[03:31:35] <CIA-59>	03simetrical * r45116 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 3 dirs): 
[03:31:35] <CIA-59>	Polish up r45109 (changes to header id generation)
[03:31:35] <CIA-59>	1) Make sure internal links are using the new encoding scheme and still
[03:31:35] <CIA-59>	work (this also reduces code duplication)
[03:31:35] <CIA-59>	2) Make sure no id can start with a nonletter, not just header id's
[03:31:36] <CIA-59>	No parser test regressions.
[04:19:29] <Majorly>	is Localsettings.php publicly accessible??
[04:20:37] <Charitwo>	No
[04:20:42] <Charitwo>	and for good reason
[04:21:41] <Majorly>	well yes
[04:21:52] <Majorly>	but on my chmod it won't let me change it
[04:22:32] <Charitwo>	make sure you have write access to your file server
[04:23:16] <Majorly>	I can change it, but my wiki just gets an error if I do
[04:24:45] <Majorly>	Fatal error: require_once() [function.require]: Failed opening required '/home/a9287129/public_html/LocalSettings.php' (include_path='.:/usr/lib/php:/usr/local/lib/php') in /home/a9287129/public_html/includes/WebStart.php on line 97
[04:25:54] <Charitwo>	sounds like you have a booboo in your file
[04:25:59] <Charitwo>	check line 97
[04:26:50] <Majorly>	require_once( "$IP/LocalSettings.php" );
[04:27:23] <Majorly>	how would anyone see the file?
[04:28:07] <Charitwo>	they wouldn't, that error is mainly for the people that maintain and update the files to fix
[04:28:15] <Charitwo>	i.e. you :)
[04:28:36] <Majorly>	so it's not possible to see the local settings file?
[04:29:35] <Majorly>	it only works if I set the chmod to 704
[04:29:40] <Charitwo>	unless you have access to the fileserver, no
[04:29:41] <Majorly>	which means everyone can read it
[04:30:16] <Charitwo>	you should have a copy on your box to modify, then upload as needed when you make changes for things like extensions and configuration
[04:30:44] <Majorly>	oh...
[04:32:18] <BentFrank>	Using mysqldump to back up my wiki, I run it as -u wikiuser (with password).  It says wikiuser can't use LOCK TABLES (a default in mysqldump).  I'm sure no one else is using the wiki.  Is it ok to turn off LOCK TABLES as run mysqldump as wikiuser?  Or should I just dump it as root?  I try to use root only as much as necessary.
[04:43:45] <BentFrank>	I'm using a version of backup.sh from this page: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Flominator/Backup_MW
[04:48:49] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) <noinclude> edits in templates should not be submitted to the job queue - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9293  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[04:50:23] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Image files have wrong file Rights - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13105  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[04:57:32] <BentFrank>	Well I ran it as root and nothing exploded.  I looked into the dump with emacs.  There's lots of lines that look like C comments, like /*!40000 ALTER TABLE `rw_watchlist` DISABLE KEYS */;.  Are those comments or commands?
[04:58:07] <Charitwo>	looks like an sql query
[05:01:50] <BentFrank>	Ah, I looked it up.  Code in those /*'s is from extensions to my MySQL and will be executed, but will be ignored by other mysql installatoins.
[05:07:02] <teteur5-87>	slt
[05:07:26] <teteur5-87>	il ya kelk1
[05:10:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Performance optimization for sortable tables - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15402  (10mhorvath2161)
[05:13:20] <teteur5-87>	help for wiki
[05:13:34] <Charitwo>	!ask | teteur5-87 
[05:13:34] --mwbot--	teteur5-87: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[05:14:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Image upload does not appear in the upload log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6481  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[05:14:23] <teteur5-87>	i have question for skins
[05:16:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) ifexist function uses pagelinks table in lieu of better options - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12019  (10c.stafford)
[05:16:08] <Charitwo>	then ask your question about skins
[05:16:58] <teteur5-87>	first i can speak french ?
[05:18:53] <Charitwo>	not sure if there are any french speaking users in her
[05:18:55] <Charitwo>	e
[05:19:44] <teteur5-87>	i try explaine in english
[05:21:17] <teteur5-87>	i like change skin of mediawiki and i don't find a toturial in french to explain the step to change skin
[05:22:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Performance optimization for sortable tables - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15402  (10mhorvath2161)
[05:23:56] <teteur5-87>	no bady have a idia?
[05:24:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Performance optimization for sortable tables - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15402  (10mhorvath2161)
[05:25:17] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX)  Change position of link to last flagged revisions on RC and watchlist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16801  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[05:29:16] <teteur5-87>	heeeeeeeeeeelp
[05:29:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Text overflows image/table following #mw-revisiontag - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16811  (10JSchulz_4587)
[05:32:03] <freephile>	teteur5-87: vous voulez quoi exactement?  je parle francais un peu 
[05:32:29] <teteur5-87>	merci dieu : )
[05:33:12] <teteur5-87>	je m'explique j'ai installe media wiki et je veu changer les skin je suis un perdu
[05:33:37] <teteur5-87>	je trouvr pas un toturial en francais 
[05:33:51] <teteur5-87>	tu peux m'aider stp
[05:34:36] <freephile>	il y a un LocalSettings.php, avec quelques choix pour la "peau"
[05:35:27] <teteur5-87>	tu parle de variable la ou deja affecter monobook?
[05:37:00] <teteur5-87>	noter que je suis novice avec mediawiki: )
[05:38:00] <freephile>	variable $wgDefaultSkin
[05:39:51] <teteur5-87>	oui je vois mais je procede pour changer ce skin
[05:40:59] <freephile>	d'accord.  en ce cas, il faut copier le monobook, and demarrer de la
[05:41:19] <freephile>	http://freephile.com/wiki/index.php/MediaWiki/Theming#How_to_make_your_own_skin en anglais... but peut etre utile
[05:43:21] <teteur5-87>	merci c tres gentil
[05:45:15] <freephile>	de rien
[05:55:37] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Remove capitalisation and plural from user rights in the log etc. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16817 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (mikelifeguard)
[05:55:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Performance optimization for sortable tables - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15402  (10mhorvath2161)
[05:55:56] <Charitwo>	thanks for the CC mike
[05:56:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Require active confirmation when Re-blocking a user - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16814  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[05:57:25] <Charitwo>	he's not here :o
[05:58:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Should be possible to mark actions (delete, protect, etc.) as bot - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16816  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[05:58:28] <PseudoOne>	O_o
[06:00:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Should be possible to mark actions (delete, protect, etc.) as bot - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16816  +comment (10charitwo)
[06:00:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Request for a Dutch version of labs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16812  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[06:58:26] <vInOdH>	How to Fix Inconsistancies in Wiki DB ?
[07:24:16] <PseudoOne>	:)
[08:00:23] <Joeyaa>	!edit
[08:00:23] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "edit". You might try: !! !bom !captcha !charinsert !checkuser !cms !config !editbuttons !editing !exclamation !protect !sandbox !sidebar !sitenotice !syntax !undo !userapproval !wiki !wikipedia !wysiwyg 
[08:02:08] <Splarka>	!botnoob | Joeyaa
[08:02:08] --mwbot--	Joeyaa: I don't know everything about everything. I am mostly for lazy experienced users to echo quick answers to very common mediawiki questions. Please don't randomly experiment with me for help. Everything I know is at http://tools.wikimedia.de/~amidaniel/botbrain.html and you can visit #mwbot or privately message me.
[08:02:37] <Joeyaa>	Splarka, who made the bot?
[08:02:49] <Charitwo>	!mwbot
[08:02:49] --mwbot--	Hi! I'm mwbot, a bot that was quickly whipped up by Daniel Cannon (AmiDaniel) to help out around #mediawiki. Some quick help is at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mwbot, you can find all my source code at http://amidaniel.com/viewvc/trunk/MWBot/?root=svn
[08:02:59] <Joeyaa>	We were thinking of getting one
[08:03:47] <Joeyaa>	Thanks...
[08:04:41] <Charitwo>	Who is "We", Joeyaa 
[08:04:50] <Joeyaa>	Our channel?
[08:05:06] <Charitwo>	what channel
[08:05:12] <Joeyaa>	##english
[08:05:17] <Charitwo>	I see
[08:05:34] <Joeyaa>	We have a wiki :)
[08:06:01] <Joeyaa>	And it's not Wikia 
[08:07:50] <Marybelle>	!!
[08:07:50] --mwbot--	A red exclamation point (<span class="unpatrolled">!</span>) in recent changes or on your watchlist is due to either the enabling of patrolled editing <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Patrolled_edits> or the Flagged Revisions extension <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:FlaggedRevs>
[08:08:42] <Splarka>	ha
[08:09:01] <Charitwo>	!patrol
[08:09:01] --mwbot--	It's a feature, not a bug :)
[08:09:27] <|X|>	!patrol
[08:09:27] --mwbot--	It's a feature, not a bug :)
[08:09:41] <Splarka>	#mwbot
[08:10:10] <Marybelle>	#mediawiki-scripts
[08:11:22] <Dantman>	[feature, bug] = [bug, feature];
[08:12:40] <Splarka>	ascii venn: (feature ( most software ) bug )
[08:37:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wikibits patch #6 - reverse sortable tables - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15403  (10mhorvath2161)
[08:56:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Multiple rows created in pagelinks table for a redirect page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7304  +comment (10avir)
[09:03:36] <unpaidbill>	is there any random image addon that will let me display images i havent uploaded/added to the mediawiki database
[09:03:54] <Marybelle>	Hmm, sorta?
[09:04:01] <unpaidbill>	basically i want to create a subdirectory.. 'randomimages' and have it grab a random image from there
[09:04:13] <Marybelle>	You could probably write a JS thing.
[09:04:15] <unpaidbill>	i guess i could write it myself
[09:04:16] <unpaidbill>	yeah
[09:04:24] <Marybelle>	Or use APIForeignRepo to pull images from Wikimedia Commons.
[09:04:30] <Marybelle>	That's probably easier.
[09:04:32] <unpaidbill>	i see randomimage addon, but it requires you to actually add the image to the database
[09:05:01] <unpaidbill>	i guess i'll just make the extension myself
[09:05:11] <unpaidbill>	i suppose i should learn how to make one anyway..
[09:05:18] <Marybelle>	Right. But if you integrate a foreign repo, you can link like you normally would but it will just pull the images from the other database...
[09:05:29] <unpaidbill>	well there is no database
[09:05:42] <unpaidbill>	basically i have a ton of images in a directory
[09:05:49] <Marybelle>	Oh, ahh.
[09:06:06] <unpaidbill>	calvin and hobbes comics.  i am going to make it display a daily comic in my administrator wiki
[09:06:13] <unpaidbill>	reminds me of the good old days!
[09:06:29] <Marybelle>	:-)
[09:07:24] <unpaidbill>	i just started using mediawiki last week
[09:07:30] <unpaidbill>	i have to say, i cant believe how long i went without it
[09:07:38] <unpaidbill>	such a perfect tool for doing server documentation
[09:07:51] <Marybelle>	Had you used other wikis previously?
[09:07:55] <unpaidbill>	nope
[09:08:13] <unpaidbill>	the only exposure i had was to wikipedia, but i only searched that, never got into the contributer side of it
[09:08:21] <unpaidbill>	it took me about 10 minutes to fall in love
[09:08:27] <Marybelle>	:-)
[09:09:51] <Charitwo>	Marybelle new irc nick is disturbing
[09:09:52] <unpaidbill>	the only thing i wish mediawiki had was a slightly more refined authentication and permissions system, but it isnt designed for that i suppose.  not allowing anonymous users to view articles is good enough anyway
[09:10:02] <Marybelle>	Charitwo: You're disturbing. 
[09:10:13] <Charitwo>	no u
[09:10:23] <unpaidbill>	marybelle == big fat furry who dresses as a cow?
[09:10:26] <unpaidbill>	that's hot?
[09:10:30] <Marybelle>	:O
[09:10:50] <unpaidbill>	oh mzmcbride
[09:10:54] <Marybelle>	unpaidbill: Yeah, because it's built mostly for Wikimedia, the view permissions are pretty much all or nothing.
[09:11:00] <unpaidbill>	i've seen you around here before
[09:11:18] <Marybelle>	Too many ways for data to leak.
[09:11:24] <unpaidbill>	you arent darl mcbride are you
[09:11:49] <Marybelle>	Nope. :-)
[09:11:53] <unpaidbill>	whew. i hate sco.
[09:11:59] <unpaidbill>	had to admin that shit for 5 years
[09:12:02] <unpaidbill>	very dark time.
[09:15:23] <Nikerabbit>	morning
[09:15:33] <unpaidbill>	good evening.
[09:19:04] <Joeyaa>	Good night
[09:20:56] <Joeyaa>	GRR, http://rafb.net/p/YTs5R083.html
[09:22:57] <Joeyaa>	Silly errors
[09:37:12] <Joeyaa>	Something is messed with import