[00:05:24] 03brion * r45266 10/trunk/phase3/includes/parser/ (Parser.php ParserOutput.php): (log message trimmed) [00:05:24] Follow-up to r45174: (bug 16806) Fix regression from r44524 that caused links to [00:05:24] files to not get added to mLinks in ParserOutput, which caused them to not be [00:05:24] included in LinksUpdate::LinksUpdate(), and not added to pagelinks. [00:05:25] Fixes other cases broken by Parser's assumptions failing to hold after change in Title::isAlwaysKnown()'s behavior: [00:05:28] * Links to invalid Special: pages were being recorded, but shouldn't [00:05:30] * Links to valid MediaWiki: pages were no longer recorded [00:06:05] 03(FIXED) Inline links to files are no longer being registered in the link table or image table , or anywhere apparently - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16806 +comment (10brion) [00:06:55] |X|: just remove it from the channel, it's still doing it [00:07:07] <|X|> Edit User:X!/Channels.js, then [00:07:40] if i were an administrator i could do that but i'm not [00:07:52] Splarka: that fix covers that too :) [00:08:16] brion: actually... [00:08:20] *Splarka looks for the bug [00:14:02] brion: the bug wasn't, as you assumed, that negative namespace links were registerable and had to be 'fixed': https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16162 just that they were handled inconsistently. see especially https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16162#c1 [00:14:44] (though of course, they are consistent now, if completely disabled) [00:16:17] Splarka: i'm not sure what you mean by "as you assumed" [00:18:02] brion: you assumed registering special pages in the links table was "wrong", right? [00:18:21] (or that the bug about it that I'd mentioned said it was wrong) [00:18:30] * Links to invalid Special: pages were being recorded, but shouldn't [00:18:39] Splarka: did you read the comments in my commit? [00:19:18] did you read 16162#c1 ? [00:19:43] *Splarka is re-re-rereading your commit comment, and it seems to say Special pages don't deserve links? [00:19:55] read the comments in the code [00:20:27] Question: if they were already recorded, will a maintenance script be needed to clear them out? [00:20:39] http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/parser/ParserOutput.php?r1=45266&r2=45265&pathrev=45266 thar? [00:20:40] Or is that refreshLinks.php thing? [00:21:02] MZMcBride: that is the script that does it [00:21:37] Okay. There's already a bug about running that, so we should be good. [00:21:40] brion: fair enough, close 16162 too then [00:23:19] 03(FIXED) Negative namespace titles handled inconsistently - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16162 +comment (10brion) [00:23:35] Splarka: see my notes there [00:23:35] 03(mod) Inline links to files are no longer being registered in the link table or image table , or anywhere apparently - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16806 (10brion) [00:24:11] who's a good boy! [00:24:31] :D [00:24:38] damn [00:24:55] you might want a new backreference table for all that crap [00:25:00] Special:WhatSpecialsHere [00:25:20] mmm, I love the smell of schema change in the morning [00:26:02] it would be nice though, to have more link and transclusion rows [00:26:23] like, Special:Whatlinkshere/Foo showing [[Bar]] [[Bar|baz]] [[bar]] distinct [00:26:38] oooh [00:26:40] and transclusion table showing {{bar|baz baf}} options [00:26:42] hawt [00:26:46] as well as say, depth [00:27:11] so you'd know if Foo transcluded {{bar}} directly or through {{superbar}} [00:28:00] *Splarka daydreams of it, next year... oh wait, 27 minutes ago UTC... [00:30:49] :D [00:31:47] admit it, 'Templates Used' would be much better as a tree [00:33:27] Splarka, agree, better as a tree [00:33:36] but then you could have the same template several times [00:34:20] possibly it could just show the first appearance [00:34:35] or rather than a branched tree, a flat tree, showing depth [00:46:41] 03brion * r45267 10/trunk/phase3/ (includes/Sanitizer.php maintenance/parserTests.txt): [00:46:41] Partial revert of r45109, r45116 -- removing the forced 'x' prefix from IDs not beginning with letters. [00:46:41] Since we're probably going to change all our section fragments to something [00:46:41] nicer in the next couple weeks, and nothing seems to actually explode based on [00:46:41] what we're doing so far, I'd rather leave them be for now rather than break [00:46:43] existing section links. [00:51:35] 03aaron * r45268 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/CodeRevisionCommitter.php: (bug 16853) Redirect to code rev url with comment fragment and post [00:51:51] whee :D [00:51:52] thx AaronSchulz [00:55:31] 03(FIXED) Regression: CodeReview revision form no longer links to new comment after posting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16853 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [00:55:35] 03rainman * r45269 10/trunk/extensions/InputBox/InputBox.classes.php: [00:55:35] (bug 5552) add a fulltext-only search mode to inputbox [00:55:35] Reuse getSearchForm() for both 'search' and 'fulltext' type, IMO it should also [00:55:35] be used for 'search2' (exact-match only), but since 'search2' is kindof strange [00:55:35] and ignores some params (like 'break') for which I'm not sure if it's bug or [00:55:38] feature, leaving 'search2' as separate function. [00:55:58] 03(FIXED) add a fulltext-only search mode to inputbox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5552 +comment (10rainman) [00:57:44] Hey everybody! Go test http://test.wikipedia.org and try ot break it :D [00:58:05] brion, just go looking for all the drunks ;) [00:58:24] brion: there's nothing to break. I think you reverted almost everything [00:58:27] hehe [00:58:39] *brion is a big meany [00:59:09] *brion diffs RELEASE-NOTES [00:59:16] brion: do you like being a big meanie? [00:59:28] if brion didnt do it, someone else would ;) [01:00:54] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/This_week%27s_updates [01:01:53] 03brion * r45270 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: pulling this from release notes: "Ensure that all HTML id's begin with a letter as required by XHTML standard" as it's not fully in atm ;) [01:02:01] brion: nothing really major [01:02:42] at least not that made it into release-notes ;) [01:02:46] there's some extension updates too [01:03:02] 03rainman * r45271 10/trunk/extensions/InputBox/InputBox.i18n.php: Whoops, forgot to update messages with new type. [01:03:53] brion: http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Blah3.png damn that is freaky [01:04:07] brion: "Wow, our techies are cool! They added log type specific CSS classes 'mw-logline-$logtype' to 'li' elements. That's what our community so wanted and what we were always freaming for" [01:05:10] hey, I made some nice flaggedrevs changes [01:05:24] AaronSchulz: they are not on release-notes :( [01:05:34] marked "deferred" :) [01:09:43] the mediawiki "sortable" class/javascript - does this not work on tables within tables ? ive got a table inside another table. it works on the outer table, but not on the inner [01:09:51] brion: what should I do to a) enable image moving; b) add restrictuser; and when it will be possible? [01:10:09] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/This_week%27s_updates <- added some more stuff [01:10:21] hmm.. actually it could be another problem. [01:10:56] are there cases where it wont work ? if a table contains certain data ? [01:11:01] buzz_: no idea [01:11:05] i suppose it ought to work [01:11:27] VasilievVV: moment [01:11:28] i have 2 tables inside 1 table. it works on one of the inner tables but not the other. maybe my markup is broken (not wiki markup) [01:11:49] VasilievVV: restrictuser should probably wait until after 1.14 branch [01:13:12] restrictuser sounds fancy [01:13:14] what does that [01:13:16] do [01:13:26] brion, should we keep the id's on a elements for the time being, or remove them until we switch the encoding? It makes the validator complain. [01:13:49] brion: 'lots of freaky stuff :D' ? [01:13:59] well that's pretty specific [01:14:01] AaronSchulz: feel free to summarize there :D [01:14:08] brion, http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Ftest.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FUser%3ASimetrical%2FInvalid_ids&charset=(detect+automatically)&doctype=Inline&group=0 [01:14:19] Prodego: restricts user from editing certain articles and namespaces [01:16:48] brion, it was my shoddy html with the sort problem. doh :) [01:17:22] :D [01:17:55] Simetrical: right, same as it always did [01:18:28] as i noted, there's not much point in changing the links twice in two weeks since we're going to move over to the pretty ones once that's fixed up and working properly [01:19:55] brion, ah, you're right. Danny_B had said that Tidy didn't copy over the id if it was invalid. It seems it does for us? [01:20:04] dunno [01:20:16] but it's been like it currently is for a solid week and the world didn't end [01:20:32] Oh, wait, that change is old, I forgot that. [01:20:37] (and the anchors have been the same for years, so why change them?) [01:20:44] Wait, is it? [01:20:46] *Simetrical is confused now [01:20:49] Never mind, it doesn't matter. [01:20:52] :D [01:20:53] Just the validator whining. [01:20:58] right [01:21:05] if that is new, which it may or may no tbe [01:21:46] so which version we're gonna use now? [01:22:03] We're going to try to update Tidy again? [01:22:31] I thought that caused bad breakage last time.. [01:23:16] brion, why aren't we just urlencode()ing the fragment in Title::escapeFragmentForURL? Is there a reason not to do that? [01:23:57] Simetrical: not sure [01:24:12] it's all kind of horrfying :) [01:24:24] i think things get encoded in some other place... or we think they do... or we hope they do... ;) [01:25:38] 03simetrical * r45272 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/generateSitemap.php: [01:25:38] Fix typo in comment [01:25:38] "Compilant" sounds like a cool word. Maybe it should mean "capable of [01:25:38] being compiled". [01:26:01] compilable? [01:26:36] Not half as cool. [01:26:44] Approximately . . . 27% as cool. [01:26:55] Fake words? :-( [01:27:11] yeah, but at least people are less likely to confuse it with compliant :P [01:27:25] plus its already used within java and other stuffs :P [01:27:47] :D [01:27:54] 03simetrical * r45273 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Title.php: Make sure fragments for Titles are urlencoded [01:27:56] brion, okay, how about that? [01:28:32] *brion looks [01:31:43] so far so good [01:32:08] brion: and till when should image moving wait? [01:32:46] brion, is it enabled on testwiki? [01:32:48] VasilievVV: i'll poke it in a little bit [01:32:50] Simetrical: not yet [01:33:08] brion: thanks [01:37:47] 03siebrand * r45274 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesGsw.php: Bug fix for 'gsw' special page aliases [01:42:51] Simetrical: http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linky_linky_foo [01:43:14] hmm [01:43:28] that toc ain't right [01:43:50] What about it? [01:44:20] Is the third one urlencoded? I'm not sure if Firefox is mangling it for me in view source. [01:44:21] it's not escaping the fragments on the s [01:44:36] (but you can see it is encoding on the manual link in the list) [01:44:57] Yes, I see. [01:45:09] $ wget -qO- http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linky_linky_foo | grep ア [01:45:10] :) [01:45:18] Should be easy to fix. [01:45:52] VasilievVV: any code updates needed before doing a wider test of image moving (limited access)? [01:45:58] if so go ahead and put those back [01:45:58] We never had to worry about this when anchors were only alphanumeric and -_. or whatever. [01:46:17] Actually, is there any problem outputting non-urlencoded stuff in href's? [01:46:46] *AaronSchulz reads WP [01:46:47] depends on what the browser does with it :D [01:46:48] 'During these conversations, Nixon repeatedly demanded to know who in various government organizations was Jewish, saying that Washington and the IRS was "full of Jews" and, when speaking generally of Jewish people, said that "Most Jews are disloyal"[131] and that "you can't trust those bastards".[132]' [01:46:55] in theory i _think_ it is supposed to be ok [01:46:57] hehe [01:48:37] brion: only r45197 itself [01:48:41] And one fix [01:48:49] brion: I'll reboot and reapply them [01:49:14] brion, the urlencoded variant seems not to work in IE 5.5. [01:49:33] The TOC link jumps correctly, but not the one above the TOC. [01:49:58] Same on IE6. [01:50:09] (using ies4linux, of course, as usual) [01:50:29] Of course Firefox treats them both fine. [01:50:46] funky [01:50:50] If the urlencoded anchors aren't going to work on IE6, we need to avoid urlencoding them. [01:50:57] hmmmmm [01:51:06] As for HTTP requests . . . anchors don't get sent in HTTP requests. [01:51:25] Simetrical: they do get sent with HTTP redirects, though [01:51:29] Hmm, right. [01:51:36] if once redirects to a section, say after a section edit [01:51:37] Maybe we could just be sure to special-case that one. [01:51:56] Is there any actual problem with sending them non-urlencoded in HTTP responses? [01:51:59] *Simetrical tests [01:52:05] honestly ie 5.5 is probably not that key at this point.... hmm [01:52:12] Happens in IE6 too. [01:53:39] Well, section redirects seem not to work anyway. :) [01:53:48] They still use the old way of encoding. [01:53:49] *Simetrical fixes [01:54:08] heh [01:57:11] I can't figure out where that's happening, actually. [01:57:25] :( [01:57:29] well no rush [01:57:33] :) [01:57:36] I'm off to bed, anyway. [01:57:42] Wait, hmm. [01:58:10] brion: Nixon is favorite (most amusing) president [01:59:16] teddy roosevelt could kick nixon's ass up one side and down the other [01:59:54] scapping! [02:02:18] 03simetrical * r45275 10/trunk/ (9 files in 8 dirs): s/existant/existent/ [02:02:19] HAPPY NEW YEAR! [02:02:34] Make sure you don't miss my last commit, it's critical !!!! [02:02:35] woo [02:02:40] :P [02:02:58] A sysadmin might be scarred for life by seeing a typo in the comments for live code. :( [02:03:10] aieeee [02:03:15] Good night. [02:03:23] 03vasilievvv * r45276 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 3 dirs): * Put restricted image moving back, with Brion's permission [02:10:26] http://leuksman.com/log/2008/12/31/last-code-update-of-2008/ :D [02:12:47] cool, the week/year number will now work correctly ;-) [02:13:13] i guess i should update the doc... [02:14:02] :D [02:14:21] if you use {{#time:o}} you can get the ISO week year yes :) [02:16:48] w00t [02:17:41] ok folks, i'm gonna be in and out. getting towards party/dinner time (a bit laid-back party at my folks' place :). if something explodes, someone should be able to text me :) [02:18:11] you mean when skynet takes over? [02:18:39] well in that case just let me keep partying [02:20:40] aww... Diff load failed. :( [02:21:02] *Skizzerz votes that at least 10% of system messages need emoticons [02:23:15] " Your user name or IP address has been blocked. :) " [02:23:53] brilliant [03:03:37] *told me [03:03:52] sorry, wrong window [05:00:08] It's next year now! [05:24:22] AaronSchulz: you still about? [05:50:50] 03(mod) View image in several resolutions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2581 +comment (10ragesoss) [07:24:28] hi [07:24:44] is therre a way to force the table of contents not to show... like the opposite of __FORCETOC__ [07:29:03] __NOTOC__ [07:41:14] hi all [07:41:35] i'm using an older version of mediawiki [07:41:51] not more than 100 pages [07:42:15] i'm going to install the latest version and copy paste from the old database [07:42:21] is it possible? [07:42:34] You're better off exporting and importing the pages. [07:42:39] can't find the table that holds the page content [07:42:46] MZMcBride, why? [07:42:56] To preserve edit histories. [07:43:05] And user contributions, etc. [07:43:06] just the content [07:43:08] Special:Export and Special:Import. [07:43:22] Or if you just want to copy and paste the content, edit each page... [07:43:24] and the user contributions is still minimum [07:43:42] Click edit, copy, click edit on new wiki, paste and save, no? [07:43:57] no, my older wiki is hack [07:44:06] and i don't wanna fix it [07:44:16] hacked [07:44:36] so i'm gonna copy paste from the old database (straight to the mysql) [07:44:38] Well, you can't just move the text table. [07:44:46] yea, i know [07:44:52] wanna copy paste it [07:44:57] the last content [07:45:05] So edit each page and copy the content... [07:45:11] but i couldn't find in what table [07:45:24] do u know? [07:45:37] The text table? [07:46:10] can't find the page title [07:46:25] It's not in there.. [07:46:34] on the page table, only the title [07:46:55] couldn't find their content on the text table [07:47:04] In the old_text column. [07:48:17] the old_title column should be the same with in the page table, right? [07:48:58] Oh, you're talking about really old. [07:49:08] yea [07:49:09] MediaWiki 1.4 and earlier. Look in the cur table. [07:49:35] It has the current page text for each page. With cur_title for the page_title. [07:52:05] can't find it [07:52:27] i have in the page_title but there's no in cur_title [07:53:51] yep they're not there [07:55:04] not even one [07:57:38] You don't have a cur table? [07:57:50] You should have a cur table and an old table. [08:01:01] HAPPY NEW YEAR [08:02:46] New Years was sooo last night >.> [08:03:40] Was so 3 minutes [08:04:31] was soo 6hrs and 4 minutes ago ^.^ [08:04:38] no wait moar than that [08:05:15] 18hr and 4 min [08:05:58] Silly timezones [08:26:03] MZMcBride, i have the cur table [08:26:35] but not the title [08:27:20] can see my page title in page table but not in cur table [08:28:41] i don't have old table [08:30:05] If anyone is bored join #freenode-newyears-wolf [08:45:41] Lol [09:40:51] 03(mod) Technical updates to bs.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13451 (10demicx) [09:41:49] Can you use magic words in page names? [09:50:38] 03(NEW) Suggestion: Basic blog included in next mediawiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16855 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Templates; (tim987) [10:42:42] 03siebrand * r45277 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [10:42:42] Follow up on r45276: [10:42:42] * missing 'action-' message [10:42:42] * add messages to messages.inc [10:44:41] 03(mod) Data corruption apparently related to recompressTracked. php on wikis with $wgLegacyEncoding set - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16841 +comment (10marco) [10:52:27] Joeyaa: afaik you can't [10:53:10] Awh [11:08:17] 03(mod) Text overflows image/table following #mw-revisiontag - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16811 (10marcin.cieslak) [11:10:24] 03(mod) Automatic script conversion in Sanskrit language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9802 +comment (10mahitgar) [11:14:11] 03(mod) Text overflows image/table following #mw-revisiontag - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16811 (10marcin.cieslak) [11:14:13] 03(mod) Text overflows image/table following #mw-revisiontag - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16811 (10marcin.cieslak) [11:16:38] 03(mod) Text overflows image/table following #mw-revisiontag - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16811 (10marcin.cieslak) [11:24:40] 03(mod) MediaWiki:Revision-info should accept wikimarkup - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16026 (10happy_melon) [12:13:50] Hello Everybody! [12:14:24] I want to install MediaWiki on my server, anybody help me Please? [12:15:03] what problem do you have? [12:15:05] !install [12:15:05] --mwbot-- Installing MediaWiki takes between 10 and 30 minutes, and involves uploading/copying files and running the installer script to configure the software. Full instructions can be found in the INSTALL file supplied in the distribution archive. An installation manual can also be found at . See also: !download [12:16:24] Platonides: Actually I dont have good internet speed So if are feeling free, Can you please install MediaWiki on my server? [12:18:52] Wahab, you don't need to create the database [12:18:58] you just need to have mysql installed [12:20:47] ok, let me start [12:20:59] I am on my Control panel. [12:21:10] Please tell, where to begin? [12:21:40] read the instruction file, it explains everything [12:21:58] Control panel?? [12:22:15] what do you have installed and what are you going to install? [12:24:06] I have nothing installed yet, becuase I dont know what to do :) [12:24:38] which OS? [12:24:50] Theere was a user over #yourwiki, who installed software before on my server, but my server expired that everything I lost :( [12:24:58] Linux [12:25:26] do you have access to console? [12:25:51] console what? [12:26:02] open a console [12:26:15] a shell [12:26:37] you mean by Control panel, or mySQL database or file manager? [12:26:46] Sorry, I'm not getting you [12:27:32] what control panel? [12:27:43] are you accessing by web or directly to the desktop? [12:28:20] by web ofcourse, [12:28:37] By the way, I'm using Windows Vista but my hosting in based on Linux [12:28:45] ok [12:28:51] do you have access via ssh? [12:29:02] ssh what? [12:30:23] do you have phpmyadmin or cpanel on your sever? [12:30:23] look at your provider if it says you can access using ssh [12:30:37] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ssh [12:30:45] how do you upload the files? [12:31:19] 03(NEW) Add 'suppressredirect' group permission for sysops on de. wp - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16856 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (raimond.spekking) [12:31:31] File manager or FTP [12:32:22] maybe SSh, but I cant find anything like that on server's Control panel [12:33:52] download http://download.wikimedia.org/mediawiki/1.13/mediawiki-1.13.3.tar.gz and upload the files in that archive to your site [12:35:14] Platonides: in which directory? [12:35:36] in the directory on which you want the wiki [12:35:38] Are you sure, we dont need to create database on MySQL? [12:35:41] which kind of urls do you want? [12:35:54] /index.php/Main_Page or /wiki/Main_Page? [12:36:23] wiki/Main_Page [12:36:46] place mediawiki files on a 'w' folder [12:37:42] Plat: do you have your own Wiki site? [12:37:58] or you ever install MediaWiki software or any private server? [12:38:48] yes, I have installed MediaWiki before [12:42:09] ok, nice [12:42:32] do you have good internet speed ? [12:42:44] I am getting 3 Kb/second [12:42:51] I'm on GPRS actually [12:45:08] well, I have better than GPRS :) [12:45:35] so, can you install it? [12:45:50] on my server please, I'll very thanksful to you [12:47:30] I suppose I could try [12:47:32] Platonides: Waiting for you reply [12:47:43] but you shouldn't be trusting random people on the internet [12:48:15] I try to believe those who like to help others :) [12:48:24] Just I knew this and nothing [12:49:02] second, nobody can't hack my server because there is a way to get new password [12:51:21] as you see [12:51:21] Platonides: Please dont my waste, just tell If you can do this for me ? I can just request to you and nothing... [12:51:21] after all, it's your server [12:51:34] yah, soo [12:55:51] Platonied: ? [12:56:00] yes? [12:57:10] So, what you say? [12:57:58] Are you ready to help me in this? [12:58:02] By the way, Are you Spanish? [12:59:54] yes [13:00:16] you are seems to be very very busy with something else [13:00:24] Am I right? [13:00:49] so, will you setup MediaWiki on my server? [13:00:59] yes [13:01:04] how much it take time? [13:02:11] Installing MediaWiki takes between 10 and 30 minutes, [13:03:35] Well, I just waiting for my friend over another room to get online and install the software on my server, I realised you are too busy and not right person for me :) [13:03:36] Well, no problem. Thanks for having great time and for your little little help [13:03:36] Bye and takecare [13:03:56] bye [13:15:44] 03raymond * r45278 10/trunk/phase3/includes/FileDeleteForm.php: [13:15:44] Fix PHP fatal error in /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.5/includes/FileDeleteForm.php line 116: [13:15:44] Regression from r45159 [13:18:46] 03(NEW) Request to switch over logo for sanskrit language wikipedia localisation - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16857 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Language setup; (mahitgar) [13:19:10] 03(mod) Request to switch over logo for sanskrit language wikipedia localisation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16857 +shell (10sam) [13:24:24] 03(mod) Request to switch over logo for sanskrit language wikipedia localisation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16857 (10sam) [13:30:15] 03raymond * r45279 10/trunk/extensions/InputBox/InputBox.classes.php: Add a space between input field and button. Looks smarter :) [13:36:04] Platonide: I'm still awaiting for him :( [13:36:31] 03raymond * r45280 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialUndelete.php: [13:36:31] * Add spaces between buttons, looks smarter [13:36:31] * Use Xml::fieldset function [13:39:27] Is there anybody else who can help in setup MediaWiki software on my own server please ? [13:43:09] just follow the installation guide, its really not that different from just uploading files [13:43:59] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Installation [13:43:59] what about mySQL dabatase, & configurations ? [13:46:01] yes, you need to create a new, empty mysql database for the install [13:46:19] Trunk: First I have almost study Installation page over MediaWiki website but not getting them properly, second problem is that I have no good internet speed because I'm using GPRS. [13:46:39] So, If you are feeling free, Is it possible for you to setup it on my server :)? [13:46:56] I'm not forcing you but its a request and nothing.. [13:47:26] are you going to be the admin for the wiki? [13:47:56] yah, offcourse [13:48:43] I want to be admin, founder, sysop and everything else :) [13:49:10] theres not much point someone else installing and configuring it then... you need to learn this if you wanna run the wiki on your own server [13:49:31] otherwise, when it comes around to upgrading, you'll just be back in here trying to get someone else to upgrade it for you [13:50:01] well, maybe I can able to understand it with time :) [13:50:32] but now, I really looking for somebody since many hours to setup it :( [13:50:48] the easiest way to understand it is to do it [13:51:38] honestly, I'm no mw expert, the only reason I've actually learned how to set it up and config or mod it is by doing it, breaking it and redoing it [13:52:00] yeh. best way to learn [13:52:07] yeah, Ok but now are you ready to help me. Just install it and leave [13:52:09] i learn most stuff from breaking it and then fixing ;-) [13:52:26] I'm not asking for maintain it or make layouts or templates for it [13:52:51] i think you should try it yourself [13:52:54] no, what I'm trying to tell you is that in order to become a good admin for it, you need to overcome these obstaces for yourself [13:52:54] follow the instructions [13:53:22] if someone else comes along and does it, you learn nothing, and become depentant on other people to fix it when it breaks [13:53:49] buzz_: the main problem is that files are upto 30 MB and my internet speed is very poor and I knew it will take too much time to upload files [13:54:21] be patient then [13:54:39] if you are installing on a remote server, you can probably pull the files in remotely [13:54:41] depending on your hosting [13:54:45] Well, I am not alone to work on this Wiki. I have a collegue but now on holidays. He better know about MediaWiki then me :) [13:54:56] Yo folks, I keep getting this error when I'm trying to upload files : The upload directory (public) is not writable by the webserver. [13:55:02] i uploaded a 700mb website on a 28.8kb modem once [13:55:04] took days [13:55:05] :) [13:55:23] but I'm using GPRS not on a modem [13:55:28] But, the directory __is__writable by the webserver.. I've changed permissions, ownership, and security policies and still no dice :/ [13:55:40] It disconnecting after every 1/2 hours [13:55:41] well gprs should be faster then my old modem [13:55:52] anyway. i dont think anyone is going to do this for you [13:55:57] what are the permissions you have set, Shiboopy? [13:56:06] a+w [13:56:14] Trunk: Pardon [13:56:31] Shiboopy, check it has the a+x also [13:56:39] the directory [13:56:42] Trunk:I'm waiting for you favourable responce [13:56:47] Why would execution matter? [13:57:26] I'll give it a shot [13:57:39] (doubt it though.. Mediawiki uses is_writable doesn't it?) [13:57:40] my upload directory has been set to read, write & execute, and it works fine [13:57:52] I'm on Ubuntu 8.10, for reference [13:58:36] That is, if the execution bit is not set on a directory but the read bit is, you can see what files are in the directory but cannot execute any of the files or even change into that directory. [13:58:37] Shiboopy, Buzz_, Trunk: Anybody from you ? [13:59:07] could affect it [13:59:12] Well, that's obvious [13:59:19] But still, no dice with that, regardless [13:59:32] but if the script cant change into the folder, it probably cant write there. you see. but it was worth a try [13:59:45] no. Doing this yourself will help your development as a web admin, Wahab [13:59:48] OK. Let me start my self. Please tell me where to begin ??? [14:00:00] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Installation [14:00:03] start there [14:00:12] Hmm, well.. I wonder what user Ubuntu runs apache as [14:00:17] actually start here http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Installation_guide [14:00:23] I tried to chown to apache, but they don't have an apache user on this [14:00:32] Shiboopy, www-data [14:00:44] Aha [14:00:59] sudo chown -R www-data public [14:01:01] :D [14:01:24] Websites are still not open, :( Soo low speed I'm getting [14:01:39] quit irc and free up some bandwidth [14:01:40] :) [14:02:09] hehe, so how I'll be in contact with you?? [14:02:17] you wont be. [14:02:19] Well, the www-data still didn't get it to work :P [14:02:33] Shiboopy, the problem is something else then. check the path is correct [14:02:41] check the parent fodlers are readable [14:02:43] Ok, Windows open.. Install Software? [14:02:53] In the LocalSettings, buzz? [14:02:56] Shiboopy, su to the www-data user and make sure you can see it [14:03:23] I'm going to downloading 1.13 version [14:03:25] (if you are root on this machine) [14:03:37] I'll get root ;D [14:03:44] But in ubuntu, you use sudo. [14:04:04] Bingo [14:04:13] sudo chown -R www-data /etc/www/ [14:04:15] Sorted. [14:04:42] probably a parent folder coulnt be read. i wouldnt store the website in ./etc but anyway.. your choice :) [14:04:43] Downloading in progress. by the way. anybody know about Bluegoblin7 aka Jack? [14:04:55] buzz_: I meant /var/ [14:04:56] xD [14:05:09] Shiboopy, actually you can use su on ubuntu. its down to choice. sudo is default though [14:05:11] :-) [14:05:23] Shiboopy, ok better :) [14:05:31] There's a default root passwords on ubuntu for root? [14:05:37] no.. but you can add one [14:05:39] Whenever I've su'd in the past, there's a password for root [14:05:45] Even on a base ubuntu install [14:06:30] root login is just disabled by default [14:07:09] buzz_: I am reading Installation guide, Third line saying that [Point your browser to the config directory (e.g., http://localhost/mediawiki/config/index.php). ] What is means? [14:08:31] Wahab, it means what it says. point your browser at the location you installed mediawiki. but I suggest you get your friend who will be running this with you to help [14:09:01] Wahab: you might have an easier time using "apt-get install mediawiki" or getting a preconfigured software appliance, for example: http://www.turnkeylinux.org/appliances/mediawiki [14:09:12] But he is on long holidays , I'm not in contact with him at the moment [14:11:35] You are all damn. [14:11:59] Well, anyway [14:12:10] Partial thanks for the help [14:12:22] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Installing_MediaWiki, This page already saying that MediaWiki can be difficult to install for the average computer user who does not have experience with Apache, PHP and MySQL. [14:12:47] but you peoples can't understand my situation [14:12:58] Thansk for your little help and byee. [14:13:40] If still somebody wants to help. I will appreciate his contributions for Wiki project, I am going to run... [14:13:49] See y'all [14:31:42] How much space do we required to install MediaWiki software [14:34:27] 50 [14:35:15] just 50 MB? [14:35:26] I'm talking about Version 1.13. [14:35:28] Are you sure/ [14:36:24] maybe 100 if you're lucky [14:36:36] hehehe [14:36:40] 200 if you actually want to do something [14:37:05] well, everbody install it to do something, not to suck it [14:37:26] sure [14:38:16] Well, I am looking for somebody to install MediaWiki on my own server.If you are feeling free. Can you do it for me Please/ [14:38:55] i suggest you ask your host for ssh access then you will be able to do it from your gprs connection [14:39:47] they are closed. It is 20:00 over here [14:39:52] ok [14:40:40] So, do you have good internet speed at the moment ? [14:40:43] ialex: any luck fixing the bugs in Configure we spoke about yesterday? [14:41:02] Wahab: i'm sorry but i can't help you [14:41:36] why nobody wants to help me? whats the problem with you all. [14:44:18] bye [14:46:46] 03ialex * r45281 10/trunk/phase3/includes/User.php: Fix for r45238: remove interwiki right from User::$mCoreRights [14:49:04] 03yaron * r45282 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticGoogleMaps/SGM_Utils.inc: New file for SGMUtils class [14:49:49] 03yaron * r45283 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticGoogleMaps/SemanticGoogleMaps.i18n.php: Improved extension description [14:51:42] 03yaron * r45284 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticGoogleMaps/SemanticGoogleMaps.php: [14:51:42] New version, 0.5: SGMUtils class moved to its own file, autoloading added, setup [14:51:42] somewhat simplified [14:52:31] 03ialex * r45285 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/Configure.page.php: ARGH! forgot to remove debugging code :( [14:53:04] alonswartz: as I said yesterday, dunno where to apply that fix [14:53:54] ialex: no, im talking about the radio buttons and changes not taking effect in CategoryTree [14:54:12] alonswartz: oh, already fixed in trunk [14:55:06] ialex: any chances of making trunk compatible with 1.13.x ? or backporting the changes? [14:55:47] can't you make changes to the 1_13 branch instead of trunk ? [14:56:11] any self respecting version control system should be able to do that ;) [15:14:52] at the risk of sounding ignorant, can someone explain the CharInsert extension? [15:25:02] alonswartz, it basically allows you to add some JavaScript to allow people to easily insert letters that they can't type on their keyboards. [15:25:49] Simetrical: yeah, i read the description, but i can't figure out how to get it to work [15:26:12] alonswartz, look at [[MediaWiki:Edittools]] (IIRC that's the right page) on enwiki or someplace to get an idea. [15:26:54] Simetrical: i looked at that page, and i still don't get where the Javascript comes into play... [15:27:57] alonswartz, look at the page source for the edit pages on Wikipedia. [15:28:26] You'll see the stuff is replaced by JavaScript links allowing the characters to actually be inserted. [15:30:06] Simetrical: sorry, damn wireless got disconnected... my last message was: "i looked at that page, and i still don't get where the Javascript comes into play..." [15:31:11] [090101 10:27:56] alonswartz, look at the page source for the edit pages on Wikipedia. [15:31:11] [090101 10:28:25] You'll see the stuff is replaced by JavaScript links allowing the characters to actually be inserted. [15:33:35] Simetrical: I see that, but I still dont understand the use case. If a user wants to use a character from that page in an article he is editing, how does he do it... ? [15:35:17] Simetrical: what is meant to happen when a user clicks on a character? [15:36:18] alonswartz_, the character is inserted at the cursor's current position in the edit box. [15:36:35] is only meant to be used in MediaWiki messages that appear on the edit page. [15:36:43] Like [[MediaWiki:Edittools]]. [15:37:26] ahhhh, ok - now i get it. [15:38:06] how can i replicate that on a different wiki ? [15:39:51] 03rotem * r45286 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Localization update. [15:41:01] 03rotem * r45287 10/trunk/extensions/InputBox/InputBox.i18n.php: Localization update for he. [15:52:06] 03raymond * r45288 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [15:52:06] * Add a new message 'movepage-moved-noredirect' for page moves with suppressed redirects [15:52:07] * Tweak 'movepage-moved' a bit (rename of message seems unnecessary) [15:53:42] 03aaron * r45289 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/img/ (1.png 2.png 3.png): [15:53:42] Trim excess edges. Makes icons harder to center. [15:53:42] Regression from r31817 [15:59:20] 03aaron * r45290 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedRevs.php flaggedrevs.css): [15:59:20] *Tweak for bug 16811 [15:59:20] *Image size now 16px [15:59:38] 03(FIXED) Text overflows image/table following #mw-revisiontag - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16811 major->normal; +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [16:02:51] alonswartz: yeah, but that would mean I need to put trunk revision 44430 in the 1_13 brach, but I don't think that's the point of branches... [16:06:12] ialex: " A set of files under version control may be branched or forked at a point in time so that, from that time forward, two copies of those files may be developed at different speeds or in different ways independently of the other." [16:08:22] ialex: i've never use SVN, but im sure that its supported (otherwise what is the point of branches) [16:08:34] alonswartz: I know it's supported [16:08:58] alonswartz, we don't do feature backports to branches, generally. [16:09:06] Mainly security fixes. [16:09:11] Sometimes non-invasive bug fixes. [16:09:25] I don't think anyone will mind too much if someone backports fixes for an extension they personally maintain. [16:09:33] But it's not what we usually do. [16:10:14] Simetrical: i agree, generally you don't backport features, but bugfixes should be maintained, especially for the stable version (IMO) [16:11:04] Usually we don't bother, we develop on trunk. [16:11:10] forget stable, i meant current [16:11:11] Wikipedia uses trunk, after all. [16:11:18] 1.14 should be current soon enough. [16:11:31] Or you could be daring and use trunk, of course. [16:12:12] Simetrical: thats a cop-out ;) there is a reason for versioning... [16:12:37] Yeah, to be nice to third parties, but our niceness to third parties is usually kind of limited. [16:12:44] Most developers operate primarily for Wikipedia's benefit. [16:12:59] So we can't be bothered to spend time backporting lots of fixes when it won't benefit the wikis we actually care about. [16:13:14] Well, and if developers do stuff for other wikis' sake too, usually they run those wikis off trunk. [16:13:18] in theory, we release a new major version every 3 months anyway [16:13:25] but that seems not to happen so much recently [16:13:27] yksinaisyyteni, that was true a year or two ago. [16:13:31] Seems to have slipped. [16:13:43] I notice we're still pretending it's true in the release notes, though, talking about quarterly releases. [16:14:13] really need some dedicated release engineering people to make that workable [16:14:28] (that'd also make it possible to backport some important bug fixes..) [16:14:30] yksinaisyyteni, well, that's supposed to be Tim now, right? [16:14:39] Unless by "dedicated" you mean they really have to do nothing else. [16:14:45] But we did fine when our release team was Brion. [16:15:00] well, it's a policy thing i suppose, but when someone takes the trouble to track down a bug, report it, and provide a patch to fix an extension that is meant to be used on the current version - i would think it would be implemented... it should be simple enough to do as well... [16:15:07] Until he got overworked and pushed back 1.12 like three months. [16:15:24] alonswartz, usually we implement it on trunk, so it will be available in the next version. [16:15:47] There's no point in applying *one* bug fix to the branch. [16:15:53] We're not going to make a new release for one bug fix. [16:15:59] Then again, I guess that extensions don't get released anyway. [16:16:01] *Simetrical shrugs [16:16:09] I doubt anyone would mind if ialex applied the fix to the branch. [16:16:21] But Configure in 1.13 completely sucks anyway, doesn't it? It saw massive cleanup in 1.14. [16:17:57] well, thats just my 2 cents... [16:18:43] MediaWiki is unconventional in this regard. [16:21:52] Simetrical: regressing a little, how would i implement CharInsert in a freshly installed mediawiki ? [16:22:20] alonswartz, I don't know, TBH. I've never done it. [16:22:39] Simetrical: I mean, how do i get the charaters to display in the edit window? [16:26:32] Simetrical: solved, the piece of the puzzle I was missing is that MediaWiki is a namespace. [16:27:32] so creating MediaWiki:Edittools in my wiki automatically its contents to the editpage... simple :) [16:31:13] Yep. [16:31:24] Yes [16:35:04] Wiki12pedian, it's best if you ask in the channel rather than PMing people. [16:35:13] More people can help you that way. [16:35:41] yeah. let me try once again [16:36:05] Anybody can help in setup MediaWiki software on private website? [16:40:08] Simetrical: tim's job only seems to be actually making releases [16:40:25] Simetrical: i mean someone who has the time to examine all commits, revert as needed (what brion does), and decide what needs to be backported and do it [16:53:17] Wahab1: are you intentionally annoying or did you have to work at it? [16:53:28] aww, just missed him [16:53:29] haha [16:53:30] lmfao [16:53:35] randomly pm's me [16:53:38] who else got pm'd? [16:53:39] lol [16:54:06] *theocrite was [16:54:26] me [16:54:50] quite a few people then... [16:55:00] he doesn't actually want help though - he wants someone to install and configure mw on his server for him [16:55:05] Wahab1: post your problem her, is many person her to help you yet [16:55:43] he's left [16:58:21] 03rotem * r45291 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Localization update. [17:00:53] !install [17:00:53] --mwbot-- Installing MediaWiki takes between 10 and 30 minutes, and involves uploading/copying files and running the installer script to configure the software. Full instructions can be found in the INSTALL file supplied in the distribution archive. An installation manual can also be found at . See also: !download [17:01:57] i just finished taking the Gadgets extension for a spin, and it rocks! [17:02:12] sorry - i had to tell someone ;) [17:10:18] *siebrand applauds alonswartz. [17:10:28] lol [17:27:32] Could anyone help with css. I'd like to get same type template as in wikipedia, but want change bottom-screen background from white to some image.. I'd tried to change background to "Mediawiki:monobook.css", but now headbg.jpg wont work anymore.? [17:33:44] Could anyone help with css. I'd like to get same type template as in wikipedia, but want change bottom-screen background from white to some image.. I'd tried to change background to "Mediawiki:monobook.css", but now headbg.jpg wont work anymore.? [17:35:35] Ege, what did you change? [17:37:16] I created custom css in Mediawiki:monobook.css and following: http://rafb.net/p/6D657H73.html [17:41:37] yksinaisyyteni, that would require someone to care, though. [17:41:39] :) [17:42:14] Hello, i've been playing around with a webserver i have made using mediawiki, but would like to add the extensions found on wikitree.org, but am having trouble! [17:42:22] wikitree.org? [17:42:35] yes, it's a family tree site [17:42:56] You'll want to ask them questions if you're having trouble with their extensions, not us. [17:43:13] Ege, headbg.jpg wouldn't work because its the default background for the body tag - since you've set your own custom background for body tag, mw will use that instead [17:43:18] require_once '../httpdocs-hidden/wikitree_db_init.php'; [17:43:22] That doesn't look promising. [17:43:31] well i don't think it's their extension i think it's my lack of understanding [17:43:41] that is the line i think that is causing problems [17:44:01] Giant blocks of commented-out code, no link to version tracking. [17:44:02] ok. => [17:44:06] This looks like a site-specific extension. [17:44:15] Are you sure it's meant to be usable on other sites? [17:44:35] what are you trying to change, Ege? [17:44:42] "MediaWiki: 1.5.6" o_O [17:44:44] well no, but i thought that was the idea on viewable extensions [17:45:27] "Below you can find up-to-date, automatically retrieved, code of all WikiTree extensions. If you are a developer, please submit your patches or updated extensions to Vacilando, who can upload them to the server. " [17:45:47] That implies to me that they intend for you to use the source code to submit fixes, not to run on your own site. [17:45:50] exactly, i really like the generated tree images for example: http://www.wikitree.org/index.php?title=Maureen_Elizabeth_O%27Neil [17:46:22] oh, okay then do you know of a similar extension which could generate svg trees? [17:46:30] Not offhand. Look on mediawiki.org. [17:46:32] I'll give up.. :) http://egehost.jouluserver.com/index.php i keep that background, thats it. :) [17:46:56] okay, thanks. have a good 2009! [17:47:12] You too. [17:47:36] 03(mod) MediaWiki:Tagline should parse wikimarkup - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16851 summary; +comment (10matthew.britton) [17:48:29] ah one more question, assuming i forget about having nicely generated tree and make my own. where would the best place to host my wiki, at the moment i was thinking of buying an old laptop and using turnkey linux mediawiki version [17:49:09] You can get a webhost for $4 a month or so. [17:49:19] Alternatively, you could try some managed wiki farm like wikia.com. [17:49:46] You aren't likely to be able to run a website from a laptop that you just plug into your Internet connection. [17:50:08] you mean it will be too slow? [17:50:24] It's probably prohibited by your ISP's terms of service. [17:50:37] It's also likely to be relatively unreliable/slow. [17:50:55] And would take extra work, like you'd have to set up your own DNS server. [17:51:09] you home connection is asymmetric [17:51:17] That's the "slow" part, yeah. [17:51:18] uploads are very slow [17:51:19] yeah turnkey will setup a lamp server on install, but no dns [17:51:31] i'm on fibre at home? [17:51:45] Doesn't matter, they give you much less upload bandwidth than download. [17:51:52] Partly to discourage you from using it as a server. [17:52:02] You really can't spare $4/month? [17:52:13] Because that would almost certainly be easier, unless you really want root access. [17:52:23] In which case the cheapest deal is probably $20 or $30/month. [17:52:31] well, i've been looking and they all have restrictions, ie root access on mediawiki email support [17:52:39] you can get a crummy vps for $5 a mont [17:52:40] 03(mod) Suggestion: Basic blog included in next mediawiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16855 (10matthew.britton) [17:52:47] *month [17:53:19] try here [17:53:20] nearlyfreespeech.net [17:53:32] Really? [17:53:32] or here [17:53:34] prgmr.com [17:53:35] Interesting. [17:53:53] James_, if you get a VPS, it's root access, you can do whatever you want. [17:54:28] as long as it's legal :P [17:54:29] brilliant, however i wouldn't know howto setup an email server [17:54:33] :P [17:56:04] James_: i can recommend slicehost, best hosting i've ever used [17:56:23] nearlyfreespeech.net looks really interesting! [17:56:25] or if you are looking for cheap, a2hosting is quiet good... [17:56:55] James_: i have mediawiki running fine there [17:57:24] James_: btw - you are using turnkey mediawiki ? [17:57:43] where is that a2hosting or nearlyfreespeech? [17:58:54] alonswartz: yes, at the moment - trying some things out, it seems really good. certainly easy to set up! [17:59:31] Simetrical: why would James_ have to setup his own dns server? he could just use a free dns services (like everydns.net) and point it to his IP [18:00:00] James_: thanks ;) I am currently working on a new version which should be out very soon! lots of improvements [18:00:01] James_: nearlyfreespeech [18:00:10] ahh.. infact my router - Tomato firmware, supports services such as those [18:00:30] alonswartz: your turnkey linux? [18:00:41] one of the developers [18:01:37] alonswartz: wow, brilliant, what improvements? i've got it installed as a virtual server running on my laptop at the moment. and if it runs well on that with dedicated hardware it would be very quick [18:02:43] James_: yep, thats the whole point of appliances, they are very lightweight and built from the ground up specifically for the application (in this scenario - mediawiki) [18:03:02] alonswartz: my plan originally was to buy an old laptop of ebay - broken screen or something. installing turnkey and using that as a server. the only thing is i'd have no email support [18:03:44] James_: what do you mean? you mean hosting of your email@MYDOMAIN.com ? [18:04:31] alonswartz: i mean, so when someone registers on my wiki they get sent an email [18:04:56] that would work [18:05:01] it should work - the appliances have an MTA [18:05:03] but most email servers would discard [18:05:06] ie. postfix [18:05:24] 99.999999% of email from dynamic ips is spam [18:05:41] from infected windoze boxes [18:06:06] so yahoo, google, ect just throws away [18:06:09] really, so you're saying possible, or not possible? [18:06:19] not the best solution [18:06:47] we're saying possible, but not possible [18:06:57] my domain is going to be from oneandone.co.uk i think £2 for a year for a .co.uk [18:07:02] technically, possible. if its a good idea or not depends on circumstance [18:07:38] i wouldn't host a site from home unless you've got fiber to your door [18:07:50] in which case, get a static ip and your off [18:08:07] alonswartz: those connections cost hundreds of dollars a month [18:08:25] i've got fibre, and a static ip, 20mb download, 5mb upload [18:08:46] you mean GB ? [18:09:17] TB? [18:09:45] PB :P [18:09:52] yeah all of the above :P [18:09:58] lol ;) [18:10:00] 1 of each [18:11:16] changing the topic a little: does anyone use the universal edit button ? [18:11:32] yeah [18:11:45] think its worth installing that extension [18:11:57] what is that? [18:12:09] according to google it doesn't seem too popular [18:12:21] that's because it isn't a standard feature yet [18:12:39] it is part of 1.14 [18:12:44] where could i find an example? [18:12:49] which is not out yet [18:12:57] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:UniversalEditButton [18:13:02] James_: you'd need to install an addon for firefox in order to use it [18:13:18] Skizzerz: its only for firefox, right? [18:13:25] as far as I know, yes [18:13:41] testing it now... [18:13:42] it might take off, though [18:13:54] one never knows... [18:15:07] 03siebrand * r45292 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/Configure.settings.i18n.php: Fix typos [18:16:21] oops. had to restart firefox to install the extension, and my irc client is a firefox extension... [18:16:30] what did i miss.. [18:16:42] same here [18:17:44] nothing [18:17:57] i don't see an edit button, or anything different? [18:18:05] thats quiet stupid... it just adds a little green box at the top with a pencil, clicking it is the same as clicking edit, its just further away... whats the point ?? [18:18:25] ITS WEB 2.0 LOL [18:18:46] talk about pointless... [18:19:05] i must be missing something... [18:19:29] if gets built into firefox [18:19:39] it might be sorta usefull [18:19:57] i can't even see that? [18:20:45] James___: it appears next to the rss feed icon [18:20:53] navigate to wikipedia and have a look [18:21:06] i see it now, i was looking in the body of the website [18:21:41] IMHO, pointless... at least the RSS icon is useful [18:22:41] i don't know, it's okay. but i certainly wouldn't mind if it came in or not. not really worth adding an extension on firefox of your mediawiki for [18:25:27] just tested the MW extension and it works as expected, i personally don't get it, but Skizzerz seems to think its important so i'll include it in the appliance ;) [18:25:29] could this be useful? or if forwarding not what is needed? https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/services/email.php [18:26:12] alonswartz: it might take off with 1.14, so might as well... [18:26:50] ... [18:28:11] i'd add it, are you talking about turnkey? [18:28:27] yep [18:28:28] James___: btw - are you signed up to get updates when we release a new version of the mediawiki appliance (email, rss, mailing list) ? [18:28:53] nope, when will this update be out, days or weeks? [18:29:11] days [18:29:25] we are releasing updates to *all* appliances [18:30:01] ahh [18:35:06] what do you guys think of Semantic MediaWiki ? [18:36:13] Hello everybody! [18:36:22] Anybody remember me? [18:36:41] !ask | walkie [18:36:41] --mwbot-- walkie: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC. [18:36:44] !ask | Wahab|Waiting [18:36:44] --mwbot-- Wahab|Waiting: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC. [18:37:23] Ok I got [18:38:11] alonswartz: it has its own channel: #semanticmediawiki [18:38:32] alonswartz, I wasn't aware that there were free DNS setups. My major experience in systems administration is with a) a $300/month dedicated server, and b) Wikipedia. So I don't know much about the cut-rate options. [18:39:22] alonswartz: I think the general consensus is that it is (a) very nice, (b) does a lot of things, (c) is 'heavy' in high traffic setups. [18:40:19] alonswartz: I have seen requests to make it a bit more modular, so that particular functionality can be en/disabled. Maybe that is even possible, but I cannot speak from personal experience. [18:40:25] <|X|> !hesaidsemantic [18:40:25] --mwbot-- http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/576/hesaidsemanticga2.jpg [18:40:49] *siebrand runs. [18:40:54] siebrand: ok, thanks for the info. [18:48:38] I'm looking for somebody to install MediaWiki on my private server on belahf of me becuase I dont have good internet speed and second, I dont know about that [18:50:55] <|X|> If you don't know how to run it, then it's probably not a good thing to be hosting a wiki, Wahab|Waiting [18:51:56] anyone know a good source for information/input on wiki hosting options? [18:51:59] Well, I manage many wiki sites on Wikifarm but now I want to setup on on my own hosting server [18:54:54] <|X|> It's a whole different thing to be a wiki administrator, and to be a server administrator. [18:55:58] I wouldn't bother |X|, I've already tried to explain all this... [18:58:48] hey Trucks, |x|, is there a solid wiki-managment message board around? or a busy room that you know about? [18:59:29] can't say I've heard of one, I'd be interested in finding one myself though [19:01:25] can I get thoughts about bug 16854 [19:01:25] I'm trying to get a hosted personal wiki up and running, any ideas on where I can find resources? [19:07:10] 03(mod) without - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16854 +easy (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [19:17:37] gohmifune: if you search for mediawiki hosting you will find many companies who will set up a mediawiki for you and host it [19:18:15] "one click" installs [19:18:53] i am just looking into nearlyfreespeech hosting, however they will not install the mediawiki software for you [19:19:00] no [19:19:25] Is it possible to include an article (A) in another article(B) such that A can be edited with one click from B? [19:20:24] I know how to include an article in another: {{:Article B}} -- but then if you want to edit article B, you have to click "edit" on A, then notice that B is included via template, then paste the name of B into the go box, then edit it -- that's a lot of clicks. [19:20:47] should be able to just use {{Article B}} [19:21:03] Trunks9809, that assumes Article B is in the Template namespace, right? [19:21:07] no [19:21:19] *novalis_ tries it [19:21:31] I think it works without that too, but I can't say I've tried it [19:21:56] actually, yes I have =/ [19:21:58] No, that seems to be an attempt to do Template:Article B. [19:22:14] do {{Main:Article B}} [19:22:25] I can't find a company that does mediawiki hosting on a small scale. [19:22:26] I'll try and find the page I did it on [19:22:49] That does Template:Main:Article B [19:22:52] gohmifune, Dreamhost. [19:23:05] really? =/ [19:23:38] Trunks9809, for me, on my mediawiki -- I might not be using an up-to-date version [19:23:57] 1.5.1 [19:24:44] novalis_: try {{:Article B}} [19:24:59] Betacommand, that does not give me a way to edit Article B with one click from Article A. [19:25:08] then just use section editng [19:25:15] no, it does the same for me when I try transcluding an article in the main namespace [19:25:25] Betacommand, can you unpack that a bit? [19:25:32] novalis_: use section editing [19:25:46] what do you mean unpack? [19:25:52] Betacommand, explain further. [19:26:15] articles have sections [19:26:39] smaller than dreamhost, actually. Literally, just the wiki, maybe three users at most, only text. Dreamhost was overkill [19:26:50] my context is: I organize my recipes on Mediawiki, and sometimes a dish involves multiple independent components. For instance, I might use chicken stock in matzoh ball soup and in sunchoke puree soup. When I am looking at a recipe for sunchoke puree soup, I want to see all of the ingredients needed, so I can easily go shopping. But if I see a mistake in my chicken stock recipe while I'm looking at the sunchoke puree soup recip [19:26:50] e, I want to be able to just click "edit" next to the chicken stock portion and ahve it make that edit on the main chicken stock page. [19:27:38] novalis_: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Robinson_(television_presenter)#Books that section [19:27:45] novalis_: use Semantif MediaWiki? (no I didn't say it :P_ [19:27:55] their is an edit button on the right [19:28:32] that is section editing [19:28:55] if you transclude that same article that same edit button is also transcluded [19:30:08] Betacommand, I don't think that's actually the case, unfortunately [19:30:29] Betacommand, at least not where there is only a single section in the article (whether or not I start the article with ==section== [19:31:03] give me one moment to look something else up [19:32:40] novalis_: create something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Tnavbar it will work [19:39:10] Betacommand, that seems to be a lot like what I want -- now to figure out how to use it. Thanks! [19:45:16] Skizzerz: i got fckeditor working very nicely in mediawiki... [19:45:21] cool [19:45:49] atleast locally - its lightning fast... [19:46:30] 03(WONTFIX) Updating searchindex locks up database - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16664 +comment (10sean) [19:47:37] its really nice! i wish this was around when i started securityforest 6 years ago - I got lots of requests for a wysiwyg editor [19:53:06] 03pinky * r45293 10/trunk/extensions/GlobalUserrights/GlobalUserrights.php: Remove useless extension global and bump version [19:57:05] ialex: just to be sure, there is no chance you will be fixing the bugs in Configure for the 1.13? Its a real pity as I can't enable it by default then. It will have to wait for the release of MW 1.14... [19:59:35] Skizzerz: regarding $wgUseTidy, is there anyway I can test to see that it is configured and working correctly? [20:00:13] copy the Infobox template from wikipedia and see if it works? :P [20:00:23] I don't really know [20:00:39] k, i'll give it shot [20:18:43] how would i make my wiki viewable only to those signed up and moniter, ie vito who is allowed to sign up without the email functions of my wiki enabled? [20:22:48] Betacommand, I thought I understood what I needed to do, so I clicked "view source" on Template:Documentation, and copied the contents of the textarea into my mediawiki install into a page called Template:Component. But it shows up as garbage when I view the template page or try to use the template -- the template substitutions aren't substituting, so I've got lots of {{ and }} all over the place. Any ideas? [20:27:23] novalis_: it sounds like there are some other templates used in Template:Documentation [20:27:40] Prodego, so if I don't have those, the whole template will fail to render correctly? [20:27:47] yep [20:28:19] it also uses parserfunctions [20:28:22] do you have those installed? [20:28:46] James_ one second [20:29:12] Prodego, I don't know if I have parserfunctions installed. [20:29:19] James_: $wgGroupPermissions['*' ]['read'] = false [20:29:28] that would require an account to read the wiki [20:29:45] Oh, that requires a too-high version of mediawiki. Let me see if I can upgrade. [20:29:51] ... but first, a backup of everything! [20:30:23] Prodego: i've that, i'm going to have the main page readable then the rest not readable [20:31:03] James_: you know how to do it then? [20:32:17] well, not exactly. i a user to click register, then for me to have to accept their registration before they gain access [20:32:44] James_: you /want/ to do that or you are doing that [20:33:04] Prodego: i would like to do that [20:33:45] James_: ok, you will want this: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmAccount [20:34:03] users will then request accounts, and you can approve them [20:34:54] but, i need a working email system. my host does not support mediawiki email [20:35:09] other than that it sounds perfect! [20:36:57] my host will be nearlyfreespeech.net [20:41:51] Prodego: i thought about using the Special:UserRights? [20:42:26] You can do that as well [20:42:46] Allow accounts to be created, and require a 'user' right to read and edit [20:42:59] without email you might have to do that [20:43:23] Prodego: so a user would register, and by default would not have read rights, i would then log on and grant them access? [20:43:34] basically yes [20:43:38] it might be confusing for them [20:43:40] that extension adds a lot of cool things, like the ability to see the requestees IP and any other accounts created from it [20:43:50] but it does require email [20:44:28] Prodego: yes, a shame. the host i'm using is really cheap and it would be alot more money a month to have the email working [20:46:36] Skizzerz: i have template infobox working with and without UseTidy... [20:46:37] the host I use is pretty cheap, and you get quite a bit for it: unlimited diskspace, unlimited bandwidth, email, etc [20:46:46] hmm... [20:47:21] Skizzerz: i testing with Infobox OS which used Infobox ... [20:47:53] well... then I suppose it doesn't matter very much [20:48:10] Trunks9809: who is your host? [20:48:20] hosting24.com [20:48:30] its about $5 a month [20:48:42] Skizzerz: so should we have it on by default? is it in use on wikipedia ? [20:48:46] yes [20:48:52] (for the latter) [20:48:54] Trunks9809: okay, thanks. i'll check it out. just going to grab something to eat [20:49:03] Prodego: thanks for your help [20:49:10] as for whether you should have it on by default, that's up to you [20:49:12] no problem [20:49:42] Skizzerz: can you maybe shed some light on the pros/cons so i can make an informed decision ? [20:49:57] !tidy [20:49:57] --mwbot-- HTML Tidy is an extermal application that cleans up HTML for XHTML compliance (try for example:
). Older versions of mediawiki also required Tidy for distributed, transcluded, or conditional HTML, or mixed HTML and wikitables, but newer versions allow it without Tidy. See [20:50:55] Skizzerz: could it 'hurt' having it enabled? [20:51:02] no [20:51:22] it could increase pageload times by a few microseconds [20:51:44] so the only reason its not on by default is because of the Tidy dependency? [20:52:02] probably [20:52:23] well, in that case i'll turn it on and include the dep - thanks ;) [20:52:35] to be honest, I'm not entirely sure how that all works... I know it can spawn an external Tidy process but it has an internal Tidy as well... [20:52:58] really? [20:53:51] yeah [20:54:35] but as I said, I don't know how it all works [20:55:37] on second thought, seeing as the template copy worked, and i can't see any change using UseTidy, i think we will go with the default for now - can't go wrong with that... [21:23:59] 03(mod) without - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16854 (10b-jorsch) [21:24:18] 03(mod) without - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16854 +patch (10b-jorsch) [21:29:35] okay, so i've made it so users have to be manually added to the group vitoed to view or edit my wiki, so a user registers then has to get confirmed, however i can login as a unconfirmed registered user, but i can't log out i get permission errors. here are the relevent lines from my localsettings.php http://dpaste.com/104377/ [21:31:49] James_: $wgWhitelistRead[] = "Special:Userlogout"; [21:39:07] okay, so now i've still got permission errors with: http://dpaste.com/104380/ [21:47:44] sorry, i was being stupid. [21:47:55] ialex: thanks for your splendid help! [22:13:30] hi, in mediawiki if im on a page called Modules/foobar, is there a variable that i can use that somehow contains the value 'Modules/foobar'? [22:14:32] {{PAGENAME}}, I think, Laptop_Brain [22:14:48] hmm, how do you mean, Laptop_Brain? [22:15:01] a variable within the page, or on another page? [22:15:40] Trunks9809: well, my wiki contains docs for 3 major versions of a piece of software. [22:15:45] theres 1.0, 1.1 and 1.2 [22:16:00] im arranging the docs into 1.0/pagename, 1.1/pagename etc [22:16:13] so i want to have a switcher at the top of each page: 1.0 | 1.1 | 1.2 [22:16:29] and yeah i know categories can do this, but i want that to just be able to switch between the different versions of that one particular page [22:16:42] hmm [22:16:50] Laptop_Brain: i'd suggest to arrange it the pther way around: foo/1.0, foo/1.1, etc [22:16:50] what im thinking is use the page name macro to build the links at the top, based on the current pages name [22:16:59] that doesnt read properly. [22:17:04] makes more sense, and makes it easy to set up a navigation template to do what you want. [22:17:07] why would you arrange it that way? [22:17:08] You want {{SUBPAGENAME}}, I think. [22:17:34] well, the {{PAGENAME}} magic word give the full pagename, ie namepsace:title [22:17:46] Laptop_Brain: because the "main thing" in my mind is the topic/feature, the version differences are minor. [22:17:52] or, like novalis_ says, {{SUBPAGENAME}} only give the title [22:18:45] so if you used pagename on modules:foobar, you'd get modules:foobar on the page, whereas, if you used subpagename, you'd only get foobar [22:19:23] Trunks9809: theres {{FULLPAGENAME}} and {{NAMESPACENAME}} [22:19:27] where can I edit Common.css [22:19:35] (or was it just {{NAMESPACE}}?) [22:19:40] hmm [22:19:45] subpagename contains too much. [22:19:47] so you could set up a template that made links to 1.0:{{SUBPAGENAME}} etc [22:19:47] mib_ndlp9k: it's a wiki page. MediaWiki:common.css [22:19:50] mib_ndlp9k, MediaWiki:Common.css [22:19:54] are there some string operators? [22:19:56] e.g. substr, etc? [22:20:07] if there are i can chop it at the slash [22:20:18] parserfunctions does afaik [22:20:20] Laptop_Brain: not per default, but there's an extension called StringFunctions or some such [22:20:21] !parserfunctions [22:20:21] --mwbot-- "Parser functions" are a way to extend the wiki syntax. ParserFunctions is an extension that provides the basic set of parser functions (you have to install it separately!). For help using parser functions, please see . For details about the extension, see . [22:20:28] oh yeah, string functions [22:20:29] duh [22:20:39] ParserFunctions has some, StringFunctions has some more iirc [22:20:55] so i should go to host/index.php/Main_Page/MediaWiki:Common.css? [22:21:06] hmm, why not set up Module as a custom namespace, Laptop_Brain? [22:21:08] mib_ndlp9k, without the main_page/ [22:21:25] ok [22:21:27] thanks a lot [22:22:03] Laptop_Brain, Trunks9809: oh, i assumed "Module:" *was* a custom namespace. [22:22:07] it should be [22:22:13] !namespaces [22:22:13] --mwbot-- For help with understanding and manipulating namespaces, please consult . See also !extranamespace [22:22:20] yeah, thats what I thought too, Duesentrieb [22:22:51] but from what Laptop_Brain said, he needs a function to cut off the 'Module/foobar' string off at the / [22:23:10] Laptop_Brain, I would highly recommend not using string functions if you can possibly avoid it. Take a few minutes to learn enough of the template syntax that you can at least cargo cult what you need. It will probably end up taking you less time in the long run. [22:23:45] hello [22:30:03] 03(NEW) API: Deleted contributions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16858 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: API; (matthew.britton) [22:32:04] 03pinky * r45294 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialAllpages.php: Change tabs -> spaces [22:32:26] thanks everyone, i got it working using {{subpagename}} and stringfunctions. http://wiki.inspircd.org/Modules/1.2/globops ... i even managed to make it auto categorise them too, it takes about 4 lines of text in {{Module}} template to define that entire page [22:32:35] *Laptop_Brain is proud of that [22:32:36] :) [22:33:07] novalis_: im a programmer, i see things in terms of string functions and operations anyway :p [22:33:18] uh? [22:33:20] (also gives me an unhealthy aversion for rtfm) [22:33:31] Laptop_Brain develops an ircd. [22:33:36] *werdnum blames Brain. [22:33:45] spaces? [22:33:48] OHSHI- ITS WERDNA [22:35:00] Laptop_Brain: now all we need is Lauren. [22:35:02] *werdnum hieds. [22:36:36] oh dear [22:38:04] Laptop_Brain: btw, {{SUBPAGENAME}} has specific behavior that differs in namespaces with subpaging enabled (versus those without) [22:38:20] see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgNamespacesWithSubpages [22:39:46] *Laptop_Brain looks [22:40:05] Laptop_Brain: in a namespace with subpaging enabled, say [[Foo/bar]], you'd get {{BASEPAGENAME}} -- {{SUBPAGENAME}} as Foo -- Bar [22:40:22] without, you'd get Foo/bar -- Foo/bar [22:40:33] note that subpaging only delimits at the slash [22:40:46] ah ha. [22:41:00] if you want colon delimiting you'll need either the string functions (a nasty overhead).. or namespaces [22:41:23] 03(mod) Add variable to show the topmost level in the tree of subpages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12872 (10sam) [22:41:25] string functions are evil. [22:41:27] Srsly. [22:42:02] for example... Foo:bar would be {{PAGENAME}} or {{FULLPAGENAME}} => Foo:bar and {{NAMESPACE}} => (nothing) if there was no such "Foo:" namespace [22:42:33] but if there was, you'd get {{PAGENAME}} -> "Bar", {{FULLPAGENAME}} => "Foo:Bar", and {{NAMESPACE}} => "Foo" [22:43:02] namespaces generally aren't used for content categorization, but some projects do it [22:43:40] i get "Cannot create tmp directory" on my mainpage when I tried to install wikitex, does anyone know how to fix/ [22:44:00] it does kinda screw up categorizing though, since everything is in the namespace, they all begin with the same letter [22:44:16] you can fix that with sortkeys [22:44:25] [[Category:Foo|{{SUBPAGENAME}}]] [22:44:47] yeah, I was about to say that :P [22:44:50] (or {{PAGENAME}}) [22:45:20] Laptop_Brain: note also there is a non-stringfunction parserFunction in the Parser Functions extension for parsing slashy titles... #titleparts [22:45:23] I have it set up as a template, actually [22:46:22] this does what {{BASEPAGENAME}} and {{SUBPAGENAME}} do with finer grainularity, and it doesn't even need subpaging explicitly enabled (subpaging adds more features, like up-link breadcrumbs, and relative linking ... [[/foo]] etc) [22:47:01] Question for the crowds: What is one feature in content side of MediaWiki you all enjoy such as etc? [22:48:34] You should ask users that, not developers. [22:48:41] (which is what you tend to find here) [22:48:59] {{loop|Developers!|8}} [23:00:27] 03(mod) without - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16854 (10Phoenixoverride) [23:03:02] Pinky, I guess you meant "change spaces -> tabs"? [23:03:53] yeah :) [23:04:19] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/45294#c1115 [23:04:30] 03ashley * r45295 10/trunk/extensions/ImportFreeImages/ (3 files): [23:04:30] ImportFreeImages: [23:04:30] *split up the loader and body into their separate files for better performance [23:04:30] *renamed messages from importfreeimages_* to importfreeimages-* as per coding conventions [23:04:30] *removed svn-date and svn-revision params from $wgExtensionCredits, using version param rather [23:04:31] *set special page group [23:04:33] *some random coding style tweaks [23:14:11] 03siebrand * r45296 10/trunk/extensions/ImportFreeImages/ (ImportFreeImages.body.php ImportFreeImages.i18n.php): [23:14:11] Partial revert of r45295 (renamed messages from importfreeimages_* to importfreeimages-* as per coding conventions). [23:14:11] Makes no sense to rename these messages now. For newly introduced extensions it may make sense. This messed up page naming in http://translatewiki.net, and did not lead to any advantages from a code perspective. [23:19:04] 03aaron * r45297 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [23:19:04] * Remove unused $fulltext stuff and friends [23:19:04] * Fix case typo causing undefined variable error [23:22:08] 03aaron * r45298 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevision.php: Remove more unused functions [23:29:44] 03aaron * r45299 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Article.php: User more thorough mTitle->userCan checks for autopatrolling [23:40:41] 03siebrand * r45300 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (52 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2009-01-01 23:26 UTC) [23:44:41] 03aaron * r45301 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.class.php: Remove unused var [23:45:48] 03siebrand * r45302 10/trunk/extensions/ (112 files in 102 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2009-01-01 23:26 UTC)