[00:04:06] does anyone know if there's an extension that allows unregistered users to watchlist a page and get notified by email if it changes? [00:04:55] i doubt it since they will need a db entry and something that makes them unique in the db (eg: usernumber) [00:05:28] there are third party web sites that let you do that to almost any website [00:05:39] (or, there were in 1997, I assume some are still around, heh) [00:06:09] Angela: isn't that in the core [00:06:22] Prodego: "unregistered" is the key [00:06:38] ah [00:06:41] yes, didn't see that [00:07:06] http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=watch+a+web+page+for+changes but of course the frequency is necessarily low [00:07:32] yes, I was just hoping someone had integrated something like that with mediawiki already [00:08:02] hmm [00:08:06] how would it work though? [00:08:21] I mean, if you can subscribe your email to basically a mailing list... [00:08:30] how do you identify yourself to it later to unsubscribe? [00:08:48] would it, ideally, work completely through the email address? "please click the link emailed to you to confirm this action" ? [00:09:35] Sure. [00:09:42] I guess you could confirm the first time and then it would recognise you the next time you used that address. Though the problem could be that other people then add pages for you [00:10:03] right, since one is 'anonymous'... [00:10:07] Anyone who knows your address can spam you directly anyway. Just make sure there are clear, working "don't ever send me any more e-mail links". [00:10:16] s/ links"/" links/ [00:11:00] hello [00:11:02] it seems overly complicated to securely add/remove pages, and overly abusable to have it insecurely add them [00:11:15] when they could just create a login in 5 seconds... [00:11:40] alternate options might be a non-mediawiki extension that uses the rss (or an IRC) feed [00:11:42] in mediawiki, you can restrict page creation to a certain group. [00:11:58] If that is what you mean [00:11:59] but so many people seem to find it impossible to make a login. Look at the drop in new articles on en.wp since you had to log in to do it [00:12:01] People have a psychological block against signing up to sites. [00:12:13] It makes it seem like they have to be committed. [00:12:26] *Splarka shrugs [00:12:34] so instead.. [00:12:42] i dont ahve a psychological block [00:12:43] they'd have to verify each action via email.. [00:12:49] I do it all the time ^^ [00:13:19] misterchrister: if you're going to jump in an unrelated conversation at least get the topic right: http://toolserver.org/~amidaniel/chanlogs/%23mediawiki/20090106.txt [00:14:01] hmm, something like... [00:15:37] [x] Anonymously watch this page... "This is your first anonymous watchlist action in this browser session. In order to identify yourself, please click the link emailed to you to set a cookie allowing further watchlist management for this email addres" [00:15:37] then you can add/remove pages until your session expires (ip change, browser close, reboot, etc) [00:15:49] I guess that'd be secure, and it would be basically a login without a password (still sounds dumb compared to just logging in, but if you must work around psychological blocks ...) [00:15:53] Why would unregistered users watchlist a page? [00:17:37] For the same reason registered ones do. It would especially be useful where unregistered users ask a question and then never see the answer because they're not notified of it. [00:18:00] hmmm [00:18:02] Good point [00:18:04] another option... [00:18:14] The functionality would be useful. [00:18:19] And not *terribly* hard to write. [00:18:20] [x] notify me of changes to this page at the email address: [ ] [00:18:23] and then in the first email.. [00:18:24] But I'm not aware that anyone's done it. [00:18:25] you get a lin [00:18:30] Can't you make it so unregistered users and watchlist in like the user rights group? [00:18:35] can* [00:18:36] "To recieve further change notification please click this verification link" [00:18:38] misterchrister, no. [00:18:44] that way, they could do one easily, but to get more they need to verify [00:18:47] We have no way of tracking unregistered users. [00:18:50] that would cut down third party spam [00:19:12] but be very painless to do the first time [00:19:23] Unless you want anyone on the same IP address to be able to view your watchlist, and not be able to view it yourself on a different IP address. [00:19:52] the phantom account should be tied to email address, not IP or browser session [00:20:04] right [00:20:10] Splarka, what if they lose the original e-mail without clicking the link, and later decide they want to click the link? [00:20:16] Because if you were on vacation, you couldnt check your watcjlist [00:20:28] You would need a timeout on how long e-mail won't be sent. [00:20:36] Simetrical: then they're dumb! maybe a 30 day reset period? [00:20:55] That might be reasonable in today's "don't ever delete mail" world. [00:20:55] also, if a lot of wikis used this extension, you could spam someone a lot by going to each one [00:21:09] Splarka, if you know their e-mail address, you can spam them a lot anyway. [00:21:13] sure [00:21:18] Sign them up to fifty mailing lists a day. [00:21:19] but mediawiki shouldn't make it too easy [00:21:26] I mean, say WMF did this [00:21:36] they'd lose a lot of credibility in spam filter circles [00:21:44] As long as it's only one e-mail sent per form submission, you can't improve on it much. [00:21:53] *Splarka shrugs [00:22:06] You can already sign people up to every Wikimedia mailing list every day. [00:22:15] Would be very handy to have an extension like this. [00:22:26] Probably multiple times, unless it has timeouts. [00:22:29] can you? I thought the lists at least had some sort of emailconfirm [00:22:36] bah [00:22:47] well anyway, Simetrical, write this extension now ^_^ [00:23:00] Splarka, yes, so spam them with 50 e-mail confirms per day. [00:23:15] right, but you can't sign them up for the actual list... [00:23:22] ahh well [00:23:57] As I said, you can get one spam e-mail sent per form submission. [00:24:26] maybe it would be easier just to take their email address and send them a made up username and password and use the usual email notification features. [00:24:40] heh [00:24:48] yeah [00:24:50] well, how about 'login by email' [00:24:54] yes [00:25:09] awesome [00:25:16] and hide their 'logged in' username (hash of their email addy?) from them [00:25:35] If you had login by e-mail, what would their username be if they edited? [00:25:56] the email address [00:25:56] don't let them edit or perform actions, just use preferences/watchlist [00:26:01] encoded [00:26:09] like emailAT domain DOT com [00:26:12] or, rather, attribute actions to the IP [00:26:17] how do i specify the width of a table column in mw? [00:26:31] css [00:26:32] so that if a cell has a lot of text, it will wrap [00:26:44] well, tables are usually fluid... [00:26:48] Splarka: can i do it in the code for the table somehow? [00:26:52] and will expand to fill the page [00:27:05] Splarka: oh [00:27:30] well, unless you tell it not to [00:27:45] http://flip.dyndns.org/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page [00:27:55] Do you have any css experience k-man? [00:27:59] see the second column? i want to make it less wide [00:28:02] http://www.w3schools.com/css/css_reference.asp [00:28:06] misterchrister: very little unfortunately [00:28:42] if you specify the width of one cell, every cell vertically aligned with it will be the same (being a table and all) [00:28:49] maybe i can just manualy break the line in question [00:29:04] Hey, we have a template called FIXME with a parameter, can we make a page which shows the parameter from all the pages that use that template? [00:29:21] There are 1083 people with commit access to GNOME SVN. Wow. [00:29:44] (Currently it sets a category so we can easily find all the pages, but we'd like a simple page that shows a summary of what needs to be fixed) [00:29:56] Splarka: yeah, thats fine - but i think i solved it by breaking the one line thats too wide [00:29:57] k-man: most browsers will wrap if you specify something like style="width:200px" or em, or % [00:30:09] but some will stretch the table if you have a long unwrappable line, like a URL [00:30:30] try a cell with: |style="width:200px"| content [00:30:35] 03ashley * r45428 10/trunk/extensions/regexBlock/ (10 files): (log message trimmed) [00:30:35] regexBlock updates: [00:30:35] *major code updates from wikia codebase (stats are now a part of SpecialRegexBlock.php etc.) [00:30:35] *coding style tweaks [00:30:35] *delete old readme files and update the actual README to point to mediawiki.org [00:30:35] *use normal version param to $wgExtensionCredits instead of svn-date & svn-revision [00:30:37] *add sql schema into svn [00:31:21] puck: not really, but you could extend your existing trick... [00:31:39] you could have it categorize based on a sortkey to at least show the first character of the parameter [00:33:39] {{#if:{{{1|}}}:[[Category:FIXME|{{{1}}}]] for example [00:33:39] or even do further checking against {{{1}}} (or whatever the parameter is) [00:33:39] Yeah, I tried that but that doesn't really help very much. [00:33:39] One of our guys start writing an extension to apply a regex against the database to find them, but we figured there must be an easier way [00:34:00] well [00:34:04] you can see them in the api [00:34:45] 03dale * r45429 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/mv_embed/ (9 files in 6 dirs): [00:34:45] updates to add_external_media wizard [00:34:45] * improved video import from commons [00:34:45] * improved detection of timed url support [00:34:45] * style updates improved tab display [00:34:45] added supportsURLTimeEncoding() to mv_embed for timed url detect [00:34:47] updates mv_playlist.js to support xspf playlists [00:35:14] puck: for example: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=categorymembers&cmsort=sortkey&cmprop=title|sortkey&cmtitle=Category:Physics [00:35:40] you can sort by sortkey, and search the results with a bot/parser [00:39:23] ahhhh [00:39:49] you could go crazy and add something like dpl... [00:40:04] Interesting: http://www.gnome.org/~shaunm/survey/first-picks-permutations.png [00:40:32] GNOME committers who are familiar with multiple DVCSes prefer git to bzr to hg in that order. [00:41:20] Those familiar with git and another DVCS tend to strongly (factor-of-two) prefer git. [00:41:21] hmm, puck: you could also maybe just categorize them via subpage, like {{#if:{{{1|}}}:[[Category:FIXME/{{{1}}}]]}} and check Special:WantedCategories [00:41:31] Except if they're familiar with all three, then git only has a slight lead. [00:41:52] On the other hand it looks different if they *use* multiple DVCSes. [00:41:58] Splarka: that's cute [00:42:09] Splarka's good at cute [00:42:09] . [00:42:20] *Splarka wishes Special:PrefixIndex/Category: worked on red categories [00:42:26] *Splarka grins [00:48:38] 03(NEW) Commons rejects upload file as "bad named" - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16897 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Uploading; (derbeth) [00:49:07] Splarka: I think the api method will do the job. Thanks for your help [00:49:16] rar [00:52:20] hi [00:53:17] 7zip [00:53:18] bz2 [00:53:22] gz [00:53:23] zip [00:54:41] 03(mod) Page always delivered using gzip compression in HTTP - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16230 +comment (10marcin.cieslak) [01:00:01] 14(INVALID) Commons rejects upload file as "bad named" - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16897 +comment (10mikelifeguard) [01:03:01] 03(mod) Commons rejects upload file as "bad named" - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16897 +comment (10conrad.irwin) [01:06:53] 03(mod) Commons rejects upload file as "bad named" - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16897 (10mikelifeguard) [01:06:55] *Mike_lifeguard stabs [01:07:13] Mike_lifeguard: it's not non-descript [01:07:20] it's just heavily abbreviated [01:07:28] y in Russian.ogg [01:10:25] no, it's nondescript [01:10:30] we blocked it for good reason [01:11:02] *cirwin doesn't press it [01:11:07] I hope derberth takes it up on commons though [01:12:13] 03(CLOSED) Commons rejects upload file as "bad named" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16897 +comment (10innocentkiller) [01:13:03] brion: per https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6200 I gots a question [01:13:21] *Mike_lifeguard wonders what the difference between RESOLVED INVALID and CLOSED INVALID is [01:13:54] resolved would imply that the bug is problem has been fixed I suppose [01:14:08] s/bug is/ [01:14:12] brion: compare a block level element with line returns with and without tidy, with and without white-space:pre;, like http://p.defau.lt/?R_rtTf5gsn3VpK_Cjhavow [01:14:47] tidy always strips out the newlines, but it is possible without tidy using white-space:pre; to preserve them in output [01:14:56] is that related to 6200 or a separate bug? [01:14:56] <^demon> Mike_lifeguard: Meh, it was faster to click CLOSED than use the drop down to re-resolve as invalid. [01:15:29] k [01:16:55] Splarka: i think 6200 is about how we handle blockquote and div and stuff? unrelated afaik but test if you like [01:17:03] (tidy of course couldn't predict if an object was attributed white-space inline, in site css, user css, javascript, or even client-side) [01:17:20] the only solution would be for tidy to stop stripping whitespace, but then why even use tidy... [01:17:35] k [01:17:43] brion has memorized 6200 bugs. impressive. [01:18:09] *Splarka swaps out brion's 2gb SD brain chip for a 4gb [01:18:51] 03(mod) Intentional use of multiple DEFAULTSORT blocked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16755 (10bugzilla.wikimedia) [01:19:03] hello hello [01:19:08] *werdnum is leaching off somebody's wireless in DC [01:19:31] stupid hotel wants $15/day for wireless, but there's someplace in range with a free network called 'belkin54g' [01:19:36] *p858snake notifies the police and gets werdnum busted >.> [01:19:37] *werdnum lols @ unconfigured APs [01:20:43] I'd laugh if it was one of the hotels APs they didn't configure :P [01:21:32] possibly [01:21:33] some sympathetic technie plugged a router into the broom closet for you [01:21:47] *brion waves werdnum [01:21:56] *brion steals all werdum's passwords [01:21:59] oh noes! [01:22:10] I think I have a flight from Aspen to SF now :) [01:22:16] whee :) [01:22:25] *p858snake creates a VB GUI to track werdnum >.> [01:22:27] you are in aspen werdnum? [01:22:33] aib: I will be on Wednesday [01:22:35] i will be surpised if anyone gets that jokes <.< [01:22:36] in DC now. [01:22:41] cool, i was there the other day. [01:22:47] awesome! [01:22:53] aspen is pretty cool. [01:23:00] *werdnum hides from the pun policed, lest he be punished. [01:23:07] dude, DC is crazy now. [01:23:14] There is a police officer on every corner. [01:23:19] obamarama [01:23:34] and yet the police can still never solve the crimes? [01:24:04] hard to do when they're on the street [01:24:24] instead of in congress... [01:25:29] well if they have enough on every street their stations should have enough to manage it [01:26:08] It's all because of Obama. [01:26:16] You should see his hotel. [01:27:13] whats happening with image renaming? [01:28:16] werdnum, when in Aspen, i recommend a warm afternoon of snowshoeing [01:28:34] What about skiing? [01:28:48] well yes, if you want to throw yourself down a mountain, i can't stop you:) [01:28:51] <^demon> werdnum: I'm 2 hours south of you :p [01:29:27] ^demon: whee [01:29:35] by what? [01:29:38] 03danny_b * r45430 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialWhatlinkshere.php: * + id for list for easier access [01:29:49] 04(REOPENED) Commons rejects upload file as "bad named" - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16897 +comment (10derbeth) [01:30:03] <^demon> werdnum: Interstate 95 south for 2 hours, you hit Richmond, Va. [01:31:27] oic [01:36:06] <^demon> Why is 16897 still open? It's not a bug in MW.... [01:36:27] becuase it's derbeth [01:37:30] 14(INVALID) Commons rejects upload file as "bad named" - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16897 +comment (10mikelifeguard) [01:39:09] <^demon> Fwiw, I can't find the exact regex that's hitting it... [01:39:32] the first one :) [01:40:19] wtf? someone changed the product to Wikimedia :D [01:40:24] 03(mod) Commons rejects upload file as "bad named" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16897 +comment (10p858snake) [01:40:52] Mike_lifeguard: ya, made common sense [01:41:04] but it's closed :) [01:41:15] well it wasn't when i had it opened [01:41:54] <^demon> You had to change it after Mike, or you wouldve gotten a midair collision :p [01:42:08] i must of clicked just after or something [01:43:14] *shrug* [01:43:35] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#Failed_upload_of_File:Ru-.D1.83.ogg [01:44:17] 03(mod) Commons rejects upload file as "bad named" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16897 (10conrad.irwin) [01:47:51] <^demon> Wow, what a flood. [01:49:17] anyways what is happening with the image renaming system? [01:52:02] brion: so I've been working on the new installer... [01:52:34] I noticed that the old installer labels GFDL 1.2 as "wikipedia compatible", and offers GFDL 1.3 as an option [01:53:02] it seems to me that 1.2 won't be wikipedia compatible for very long, and maybe a better wikipedia-compatible license would be "1.2 or later" [01:53:50] That won't be fully Wikipedia-compatible, will it? If the plan goes through, CC-BY-SA 3.0 would be the best Wikipedia-compatible license. [01:54:02] GFDL for new wikis should likely be discouraged. [01:54:06] it always should have been marked as "1.2 or later", since that what all our texts used [01:54:16] it might have said "1.2" as a shortcut [01:54:32] $conf->RightsText = "GNU Free Documentation License 1.2"; [01:54:34] Well, 1.2 alone would have been able to take content from Wikipedia, which is all most wikis would care about. [01:54:42] So in that sense it would be Wikipedia-compatible. [01:54:47] $conf->RightsUrl = "http://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/fdl-1.2.txt"; [01:54:51] no "or later" [01:55:03] Ugh, why doesn't the FSF build "or later" in by default like CC does? [01:55:13] It causes so many headaches and so much confusion as-is. [01:55:27] I guess they think people would be scared of letting them relicense their content arbitrarily. [01:56:09] how does an "or later" clause work? is it automatically licensed under the latest, or can the copyer choose which licence? [01:56:34] cirwin, it's simultaneously licensed under the given version and each later version. [01:56:44] The copier can distribute it under any or all of them. [01:56:50] ok [01:56:52] "Each version of the License is given a distinguishing version number. If the Document specifies that a particular numbered version of this License "or any later version" applies to it, you have the option of following the terms and conditions either of that specified version or of any later version that has been published (not as a draft) by the Free Software Foundation." [01:57:22] "If the Document does not specify a version number of this License, you may choose any version ever published (not as a draft) by the Free Software Foundation." [01:57:46] Wait, so just "GPL" is a license? [01:57:49] That's news to me. [01:58:02] that's what the L stands for [01:58:21] are you saying GFDL isn't? [01:58:30] because that's what that L stands for as well [01:58:30] No, I mean I thought you had to specify the version. [01:58:43] Since "GPL" doesn't refer to any specific license text. [01:58:49] Maybe it implies latest if you don't specify a version. [01:58:51] But rather to a collection of related licenses. [01:58:57] well, there you have it, although I'm talking about the GFDL, I'd have to check for the GPL [01:59:00] werdnum, Tim's quote says it implies all versions ever published. [01:59:04] Simetrical: GPL includes "or later" in default language. CC only started that in version 2, after much bitching from 1.0 early adopters [01:59:20] brion, what do you mean by default language here? [01:59:35] Simetrical: the standard boilerplate everyone copies in :) [01:59:36] If you say "GPL 2", it can't be used under GPL 3. You have to say "GPL 2 or later". [01:59:37] the future versions clause of the GPL is the same [01:59:46] "If the Program does not specify a version number of the GNU General Public License, you may choose any version ever published by the Free Software Foundation." [01:59:48] if you go out of your way you can say "GPL v2 only" but it's kind of weird and rare [01:59:51] If you say "CC-BY-SA 3", it can be used under any later version automatically. [01:59:59] brion, like . . . the Linux kernel? [02:00:04] (AFAIK) [02:00:13] yes, one program among thousands/millions is such an example :) [02:00:13] *Simetrical is seriously misinformed if that's wrong [02:00:30] A moderately important program. :) [02:00:58] *Simetrical thinks "Eyes" is the best panel gadget in GNOME . . . they follow me! [02:02:29] uses a webcam [02:03:08] the thing about cc-by-sa is that you wouldn't be able to take text from wikipedia and put it on the wiki in question [02:03:15] ?? [02:03:24] not without putting a special case license on it [02:03:29] (the 'eyes' panel uses a webcam?) [02:03:30] TimStarling, after the license switch? Why not? [02:03:36] werdnum, what? [02:03:48] with GFDL 1.2 [02:04:41] 02:00 * Simetrical thinks "Eyes" is the best panel gadget in GNOME . . . they follow me! [02:04:45] how does that work? [02:05:04] Or does it just follow your mouse? [02:05:06] TimStarling, if Wikipedia is dual-licensed, third parties can ignore the GFDL part and just use CC-BY-SA. Yes? Why would special-casing be needed? [02:05:11] werdnum, right, just my mouse cursor. [02:05:14] But it's cute. [02:05:22] oic [02:05:26] it's not dual-licensed [02:05:30] yet [02:06:14] TimStarling, well, when it is, you won't be able to copy just anything under the GFDL, right? Isn't the idea that some pages might be CC-BY-SA only, if they use stuff from a CC-BY-SA source? [02:07:52] So when it is dual-licensed, under the last plan I saw, CC-BY-SA would be compatible both ways, GFDL compatible only one way (and not the one the wiki owner would want). [02:07:52] yes [02:07:52] item 2... there's a distributable javascript version of the CC license selector, that may or may not be replacing the partner interface that we use [02:07:52] depending on which wiki page on the CC wiki you believe [02:07:52] it might be convenient to switch to it [02:07:52] I could use an svn external reference [02:08:02] any objection? [02:08:04] Are we allowed to be principled and not provide the non-free CC options as default choices? :) [02:08:23] Simetrical: only if your principles are 'annoy users' [02:09:03] I gather it's fairly well configurable [02:09:46] yksinaisyyteni, if necessary. ;) [02:09:51] Most users won't know the difference anyway. [02:10:03] see links under "sample usage": http://wiki.creativecommons.org/JsWidget [02:10:03] They'll just pick something. [02:10:38] 03valhallasw * r45431 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/ (refreshLinks.inc refreshLinks.php): (log message trimmed) [02:10:38] Updated deleteLinksFromNonexistent function: [02:10:38] - refreshLinks.inc: [02:10:38] * New algorithm, conform Brions description in bug #16112; instead of one big delete, it is split up in blocks of (by default) 100 incorrect page_ids to remove. [02:10:40] * Added function parameters [02:10:42] - refreshLinks.php [02:10:44] * New command-line parameter to set the number of page_ids to clean per batch. [02:11:18] I wouldn't mind having an "other" option where you pick your own $wgRightsText [02:12:54] That would be sensible. [02:13:07] Many people have their own licenses. [02:13:32] 03(mod) Special:Wanted* - purge link tables - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16112 (10valhallasw) [02:13:48] Good night. [02:13:53] corporate wikis will probably want to say "copyright the company, all content is confidential" [02:14:06] 03(mod) Opening a Wikipedia article results in attempt to download gzipped version - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7098 +comment (10marcin.cieslak) [02:14:07] Simetrical: dude, it's like 9.15 [02:15:01] werdnum, I go to bed early. [02:15:03] brion: there was a question for you in there somewhere [02:15:08] And get up at 7. [02:15:39] un-teenaged. [02:15:52] wait, you're like 22, right? [02:15:57] un-young-person-like. [02:16:06] 21 in nine days. [02:16:14] wow, your birthday is close to mine [02:16:22] *Simetrical birthday paradoxes werdnum [02:16:38] my sister turns 21 in 7... :o [02:16:43] I turn 18 on the 30th [02:16:44] I used to stay up all hours, but I was tired all the time, and the sleep doctor I went to told me I had to get up the same time every day. [02:16:55] werdnum, my sister turns 19 on the 31st. [02:17:10] thank god.. being under 18 is hell when you're trying to set things up to live by yourself. [02:17:23] it'll all be over soon :) [02:17:25] That's thank God for you turning 18? [02:17:29] yeah [02:17:34] not your sister being my age. [02:17:37] hey all, got a question about home grown parser functions...if someone can help me out [02:17:52] werdnum, and you won't be able to drink for a few more years anyway if you're moving to the USA :p [02:17:57] brion: it'll all be *starting* soon. [02:18:04] krimpet: meh, drinking isn't a big deal. [02:18:09] i've got debugging (echo) turned on in a parser function that i wrote. when i execute the pf on its own, it runs once [02:18:30] however, when i include the pf in a template and then call it, i see it outputting my echo debug multiple times [02:18:34] item 3: the default for $wgLogo is ugly [02:18:41] I hacked monobook so that it can be blank [02:18:45] i looked on mediawiki.org, but couldn't figure anything out...anyone got any ideas? [02:18:48] and made that the default [02:18:53] werdnum: well you might have held off your trip for a couple weeks and simplified your life ;) [02:18:54] It isn't to me really either, other than as an adulthood milestone kinda thing. [02:19:31] why would you move somewhere you coudln't drink? [02:19:36] what a horrible thought [02:20:06] brion: yeah, probably - I thought I could save on airfares by staying after my family holiday, but return to AU is half the cost of living in SF for a month. [02:20:13] yow! [02:20:39] Estimating SF for a month as $2k, and an airfare as $1k. [02:21:29] ok i'm gonna head home and get some dinner :) [02:21:30] stay cool folks [02:24:57] Looked on bugzilla...couldn't find anything that seemed to match the behavior i'm seeing [02:25:24] duke33: why is it a problem? [02:26:14] Maybe the parser function is being called a few times? [02:28:02] well, it just seemed odd to me that i called the pf once, but it outputted my debug statement multiple times, over and over [02:28:25] preview or save? [02:29:58] what version of MediaWiki? [02:31:43] 1.11 [02:31:48] what extensions? [02:31:49] and it was on a saved page [02:32:07] 1.11 is old [02:32:17] it did things like that [02:32:33] sorry, it's 1.12 [02:32:35] my bad [02:32:36] http://tmbw.net/wiki/Special:Version [02:33:03] you mean it was on a page view? [02:33:18] what, with cache disabled or something? [02:33:38] yes...i was just dumping some stuff out via "echo" so that i can debug. and i viewed the page [02:33:50] When you echo, include wfBacktrace() [02:33:59] then we might have a better idea of what's going on. [02:34:18] might make things too easy though [02:34:40] but I guess I do have better things to do than play support guessing games [02:35:18] TimStarling: I'm thinking of a version between 1.1 and 1.14... [02:35:32] is it 1.13.2 [02:35:36] sorry...let me try that [02:35:42] 1.6.8 [02:36:03] TimStarling: it's higher. [02:36:04] heh... sounds like a fun game... I'm thinking of an error code from 1 to 10, and a programming language from C to Javascript alphabetically [02:36:31] Prodego: lower. [02:36:53] *Splarka bites werd for beating him [02:36:55] 1.11.1 :) [02:36:59] lower. [02:37:24] 1.10? [02:37:33] Higher. [02:39:32] clean: [02:40:21] rm -f $(shell ls -1 template.*js*) [02:40:21] *TimStarling wonders what would happen if there was a file called 'template.js ..' [02:40:21] *pow* [02:40:22] well, I guess that would need a -r [02:40:40] ah, but what about 'template.js *' [02:40:44] double shell expansion? [02:42:05] http://p.defau.lt/?ES4ZFIx0xFuvLZHu3LFsTg [02:42:07] had to try it [02:42:42] :-D [02:42:43] *TimStarling hates shellscript [02:43:11] yeah, shell scripting sux. [02:43:21]