[00:00:58] <CIA-58>	03brion * r45470 10/trunk/phase3/includes/parser/Parser.php: 
[00:00:58] <CIA-58>	Reverting r45341 " Use Sanitizer::escapeId() in another place Reduce code duplication some more, and fix section redirect after edit
[00:00:58] <CIA-58>	when $wgEnforceHtmlIds is off."
[00:00:58] <CIA-58>	This produces non-matching stuff like "#_Rock_on_dudes_" for == ''Rock on'' dudes ==.
[00:03:11] <Simetrical>	brion-codereview, what "non-matching stuff"?  I'm not clear what the problem is.  All parser tests pass.
[00:03:54] <Simetrical>	Is it a problem when $wgEnforceHtmlIds is off?
[00:03:57] <Simetrical>	Or on?
[00:04:26] <brion-codereview>	$wgEnforceHtmlIds = true;
[00:04:31] <brion-codereview>	and try the section name i mentioned
[00:04:50] <brion-codereview>	parser tests probably don't catch this since it's not for the stuff that's in the parser
[00:04:55] <Simetrical>	Ah, right.
[00:04:59] <brion-codereview>	it's the editing
[00:05:04] <brion-codereview>	there *should* be test cases for this
[00:05:16] <brion-codereview>	if you can devise a way to test it that'd be awesome :)
[00:06:04] <Simetrical>	Weird.
[00:06:18] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) FlaggedRevs' talk page patrolling behaves irregular - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16913 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[00:06:23] <Murdoc>	Hello, is there a way to restrict non-users from reading contents?
[00:06:42] <Simetrical>	!prevacc | Murdoc 
[00:06:42] --mwbot--	Murdoc: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access
[00:06:48] <Murdoc>	thx
[00:06:51] <Simetrical>	We need a general test suite, not just parser tests.
[00:07:07] <HappyDog>	Simetrical: re CSS files, it might be useful to rationalise the skins so that they return a list of CSS files that they will include, and also any in-line CSS.
[00:07:26] <Simetrical>	HappyDog, why?
[00:07:38] <Simetrical>	brion-codereview, oh, bleh, there's tons of preprocessing that needs to be done for this to be correct.
[00:07:49] <Simetrical>	Should fix it up so that this and formatHeadings() use the same code, probably.
[00:08:11] <HappyDog>	Well, it would help me get my extension working, for a start :-)
[00:08:15] <brion-codereview>	yeah, it's a rat's nest in there :D
[00:08:49] <CIA-58>	03dale * r45471 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/mv_embed/libRemoteMediaSearch/mv_remote_media_search.js: minor missing width bug fix
[00:08:55] <HappyDog>	It would also tidy up the code a bit, I think, and might well prove useful in creating a 'combined' CSS file, as has been discussed on wikitech-l recently.
[00:12:40] <Simetrical>	Why would it tidy up the code?
[00:12:55] <Simetrical>	It would add on an extra function that does nothing but do this.
[00:13:30] <Simetrical>	It wouldn't be useful for combining.  You'd have to adjust all callers in either case.
[00:13:55] <Simetrical>	Combining isn't going to give the combine script a list of URLs, it will give it a list of files and/or raw input.
[00:13:59] <Simetrical>	The independent files probably won't exist.
[00:15:50] <sadena>	Need help adding a wikipedia search box to my homepage
[00:16:08] <sadena>	can anyone point me to a page with the code?
[00:17:09] <Simetrical>	Copy it from somewhere.
[00:17:12] <Simetrical>	Like a Wikipedia page.
[00:17:37] <Simetrical>	Ugh, this code uses all sorts of intermediate values.  Hard to break up.
[00:18:00] <HappyDog>	Simetrical: It would tidy up all the duplicate bits of code that generate @import statements, scattered throughout Skin.php and the individual skin sub-files.  You could have a function in the Skin class that generates the style headers by calling (new functions) Skin::getCommonStyles() and SkinXXX::getSkinStyles() to populate an array of relative file names, and then output using a loop.
[00:18:06] <sadena>	which is why i was hoping there was a widget
[00:19:06] <HappyDog>	This function could later be rewritten to output a single CSS link, which uses the same functions to combine the files into a single file.
[00:19:21] <Simetrical>	HappyDog, you mean have one function to generate all the <style> tags?
[00:19:35] <CIA-58>	03brion * r45472 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialUnwatchedpages.php: 
[00:19:35] <CIA-58>	Reverting r45346 "(bug 16433) Special:UnwatchedPages should list unwatched pages in the content namespace(s)"
[00:19:35] <CIA-58>	I believe the reason for this special page is to help watch for vandalism on pages that no user is watching. Vandalism isn't just something that happens in content namespaces...
[00:19:40] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Special: UnwatchedPages should list unwatched pages in the content namespace(s) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16433  +comment (10brion)
[00:20:19] <HappyDog>	Simetrical: Yup.  From an array (or a couple of arrays) of relative file paths.
[00:24:57] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) All revisions of talk page get patrolled automatically on sighter's/sysop' s edit, instead each explicitly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16914 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[00:30:09] <Simetrical>	HappyDog, doesn't seem remarkably useful in itself.
[00:31:48] <Simetrical>	Except for your extension, maybe.
[00:31:48] <HappyDog>	Perhaps I'm not explaining it well enough?
[00:31:48] <HappyDog>	Or perhaps there are complexities that I don't fully understand?
[00:31:48] <Simetrical>	Perhaps there are applications you haven't explained?  :)  This doesn't seem like something that's inherently very worthwhile.
[00:31:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) All revisions of talk page get patrolled automatically on sighter's/sysop' s edit, instead each explicitly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16914  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[00:37:59] <chuck>	Is there any way to be able to edit files in include/ to suit our setup while still being able to svn up
[00:38:25] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Cannot vote for bugs in product "Wiktionary tools" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16915 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[00:38:48] <Simetrical>	chuck, yes, resolve conflicts manually.
[00:38:54] <Simetrical>	A DVCS might be useful here.
[00:41:16] <CIA-58>	03simetrical * r45473 10/trunk/phase3/includes/parser/Parser.php: 
[00:41:16] <CIA-58>	Reduce code duplication correctly this time
[00:41:16] <CIA-58>	This reverts r45470 and fixes the problems it identified. Things should
[00:41:16] <CIA-58>	now work as they always used to, but with less code duplication, and
[00:41:16] <CIA-58>	with $wgEnforceHtmlIds = false working correctly as well.
[00:42:23] <Simetrical>	Actually, things might not work *exactly* as they used to, but they should work more correctly if anything.
[00:44:39] <HappyDog>	Simetrical: I just think it is something that will help skinning in general (which, let's face it, is not very pretty at the moment) as well as the few extensions that might need this (basically anything that needs to output a page in a different format) and (ideally) implement a chunk of the work required for combining CSS files.
[00:45:19] <HappyDog>	Of course, if it doesn't help with the last of these then it is probably not something worth implementing at this stage, if combined CSS files really are on the horizon...
[00:47:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Cannot vote for bugs in product "Wiktionary tools" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16915  +comment (10p858snake)
[00:48:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "nominornewtalk" should not trigger e-mail notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16429  (10brion)
[00:53:08] <TimStarling>	brion-codereview: can I branch 1.14 once you're done with this review cycle?
[01:03:43] <brion-codereview>	TimStarling: sounds good :)
[01:13:14] <Marybelle>	Release candidate?
[01:13:54] <TimStarling>	branch first, then I have to do some testing
[01:14:02] <TimStarling>	there's a report that postgresql support is broken again
[01:14:26] <TimStarling>	and also there's those installer PHP warnings that I filed last night that I may as well fix
[01:14:59] <TimStarling>	then once the installer is more or less working, I'll do a release candidate
[01:15:56] <Marybelle>	<Simetrical> We need a general test suite, not just parser tests. <-- Indeed.
[01:19:53] <CIA-58>	03brion * r45474 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialEmailuser.php: 
[01:19:53] <CIA-58>	Fix regression in r45351 "(bug 16044) Vague error message in Special:Emailuser"
[01:19:53] <CIA-58>	Non-existent users and anon addresses were showing "noemail" instead of "notarget" message, since only the invalid name case was now being checked.
[01:21:33] <brion-codereview>	i'm going to try and make poor tomaszf patch up some of our testing systems soon >:D
[01:22:04] <Marybelle>	Patch up == create? :-)
[01:22:59] <p858snake>	Code Review Wednesday eh?
[01:24:44] <Marybelle>	Tuesday. :-)
[01:24:44] <Charitwo>	seems to change from week to week !
[01:26:49] <brion-codereview>	last week ran late because a) holiday ;) and b) got sidetracked tracking down a weird error we found in the text storage thing
[01:26:59] <brion-codereview>	was pretty straightforward to fix once we found it, at least :)
[01:27:30] <TimStarling>	utf hyphen 8
[01:27:46] <TimStarling>	btw recompressTracked is up to ptwiki now
[01:27:53] <Daedalus969>	holy crap he talks
[01:28:11] *Daedalus969 	tries to remember his question
[01:28:22] <TimStarling>	the source data is 628GB, and there's only 25GB in the destination cluster so far
[01:29:00] <yksinaisyyteni>	wouldn't it have made sense to wait until we have the thumpers to put text on?  or is it more urgent?
[01:29:18] <TimStarling>	more urgent, cluster13 and cluster14 were down to one server each
[01:29:35] <TimStarling>	they're RAID 0, a single hard drive failure would have brought them down completely
[01:30:16] <TimStarling>	besides, it's only 25GB, we can copy it to a new server without much trouble
[01:30:59] <yksinaisyyteni>	seems a bit wasteful to use a server with 8T of space to store 25G of text
[01:31:10] <yksinaisyyteni>	i guess it'll never have to be upgraded..
[01:32:53] <TimStarling>	using like 10GB a month... should last about 60 years
[01:37:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Default memory limit should be increased - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16084  +comment (10brion)
[01:43:02] <CIA-58>	03brion * r45475 10/trunk/phase3/config/index.php: 
[01:43:02] <CIA-58>	Revert r45361 for now "(bug 16084) Default memory limit should be increased"
[01:43:02] <CIA-58>	The logic is wrong and will fail to raise the limit to the new limit if the server's default is between 20 and 50.
[01:43:02] <CIA-58>	Further, the whole logic is crappy; we should be doing the check at runtime rather than at install time, since the server's settings may change after we install.
[01:43:29] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Default memory limit should be increased - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16084  +comment (10brion)
[01:46:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Upgrade to the ultimate dictionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16906  +comment (10p858snake)
[01:46:42] <Flegma>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_FAQ#Can_I_insert_data.2Ftemplate_data_from_another_wiki_in_realtime_into_my_wiki_page_as_my_wiki_page_displays.3F somebody knows answer???
[01:49:46] <CIA-58>	03brion * r45476 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialWatchlist.php: 
[01:49:46] <CIA-58>	Reverting r45363 "(bug 15320) Show login page if not logged in (for watchlist)"
[01:49:46] <CIA-58>	1) Behavior should be consistent; we don't do this anywhere else.
[01:49:46] <CIA-58>	2) We want to be able to consolidate the login form to a secure location, which this would prevent.
[01:49:46] <CIA-58>	Reverting and resolving WONTFIX.
[01:49:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Show the login page if a cookie expires and a watchlist is requested - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15320  +comment (10brion)
[01:50:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Upgrade to the ultimate dictionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16906  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[01:56:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow the autoconfirmed timer to run from the first edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14737  +comment (10brion)
[01:56:52] <JohnDSmith>	want to install ConfirmAccount extension.  But "Special:RequestAccount" gests Messages file for extensions ConfirmEdit is not defined 
[01:56:52] <JohnDSmith>	 
[01:56:52] <JohnDSmith>	#0 /home/cpsquare/public_html/wiki/extensions/ConfirmAccount/RequestAccount_body.php(197): wfLoadExtensionMessages()
[01:57:23] <JohnDSmith>	Strategies for figuirng out the problem?
[01:58:20] <TimStarling>	install ConfirmEdit as well
[01:58:31] <JohnDSmith>	k
[02:03:11] <shaggyJim>	is this where i can get some mediawiki tech support?
[02:05:01] <yksinaisyyteni>	yes
[02:05:28] <shaggyJim>	ok, i just installed MediaWikie on my Ubuntu server remtely through the terminal
[02:05:43] <shaggyJim>	i used the install pages instructions
[02:05:56] <shaggyJim>	the problem is that my Apache2 wont restart
[02:06:02] <shaggyJim>	the error log says:
[02:06:48] <shaggyJim>	"PHP Warning:  [eAccelerator] This build of "eAccelerator" was compiled for PHP version 5.2.4-2ubuntu5.3. Rebuild it for your PHP version (5.2.4-2ubuntu5.4) $
[02:06:48] <shaggyJim>	PHP Fatal error:  Unable to start eAccelerator module in Unknown on line 0"
[02:07:09] <shaggyJim>	ive been trying to figure this out for hours
[02:07:17] <Simetrical>	It's not MediaWiki-related.
[02:07:23] <TimStarling>	I can answer it
[02:07:56] <shaggyJim>	any help would be greatly appreciated.  could you point me in the right direction then?  apache2 worked fine before this install
[02:08:00] <TimStarling>	you should uninstall the eaccelerator package, install php5-dev, and then install APC (or if you really want, eaccelerator) via pecl
[02:08:29] <Simetrical>	brion-codereview, "2) We want to be able to consolidate the login form to a secure location" <-- what does this mean?
[02:08:31] <TimStarling>	and you should probably file an ubuntu bug report
[02:08:52] <brion-codereview>	Simetrical: SSL logins for an example
[02:08:56] <shaggyJim>	thankyou for your suggestion TimStarling.  im fairly new to Ubuntu terminal.. so unfortunately i dont know what that means
[02:09:20] <Simetrical>	brion-codereview, hmm.  But that prevents potential conveniences like log in and edit in one step, or even a login form on the edit page.
[02:09:22] <brion-codereview>	(eg ensuring that passwords only go over SSL, while optionally returning you to HTTP with your token)
[02:09:37] <Simetrical>	We could just make sure that the form target is HTTPS for that, surely?
[02:09:41] <TimStarling>	shaggyJim: use "query" not "chat" when you want to talk to someone privately
[02:09:46] <brion-codereview>	yep. better than plaintext passwords or insecure forms that you *hope* submit to a secure page
[02:10:11] <Simetrical>	But then why does it matter if we have bunches scattered across different places, if we can just make sure they all submit to the same place?
[02:10:30] <HappyDog>	shaggyjim: eaccelerator must be compiled for the exact same version of PHP that it is running on.  If you upgrade PHP, you need to recompile eaccelerator too.
[02:10:47] <Flegma>	TimStarling, can you answer this please?? http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_FAQ#Can_I_insert_data.2Ftemplate_data_from_another_wiki_in_realtime_into_my_wiki_page_as_my_wiki_page_displays.3F
[02:10:50] <yksinaisyyteni>	i guess he's using ubuntu php, and they forgot to rebuild eaccelerator
[02:11:16] <HappyDog>	yeah - if eacclerator was part of the distro (rather than a local addition)
[02:11:32] <JohnDSmith>	@ 10TimStarling01 Thanks for the help.  That worked!
[02:11:44] <Simetrical>	If it was compiled for  5.2.4-2ubuntu5.3, it sure sounds like it's part of the distro.
[02:12:00] <Simetrical>	I guess he could have compiled by hand for his packaged version of PHP.
[02:12:02] <yksinaisyyteni>	Simetrical: that's what i thought originally, but it's true he could have hand-compiled eaccelerator for a ubuntu php
[02:12:11] <Simetrical>	yksinaisyyteni, beat you by three seconds.
[02:12:20] <yksinaisyyteni>	only because my handsa re cold
[02:12:21] <HappyDog>	"...was compiled for PHP version 5.2.4-2ubuntu5.3. Rebuild it for your PHP version (5.2.4-2ubuntu5.4)"
[02:12:30] <HappyDog>	It might have been compiled locally against a previous version
[02:12:38] <Simetrical>	yksinaisyyteni, I've tried typing with cold hands before.  It doesn't work very well.
[02:12:46] <yksinaisyyteni>	my radiator is broken
[02:14:20] <Simetrical>	{{sofixit}} ;)
[02:14:42] <yksinaisyyteni>	i failed my plumbing roll
[02:14:57] <Simetrical>	yksinaisyyteni, take 20.
[02:17:25] *werdnum 	waves Simetrical and yksinaisyyteni 
[02:17:35] <TimStarling>	it was hand-compiled, by someone else
[02:17:46] <TimStarling>	so I'm telling him by private message how he can recompile it
[02:18:21] <werdnum>	oh, and TimStarling 
[02:19:22] <yksinaisyyteni>	i wonder how much i can get a basic 31-band eq and digital recorder for
[02:19:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add an id to the title of the page (firstHeading) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15427  (10brion)
[02:21:16] <Simetrical>	vim is terrifying.
[02:21:17] <Charitwo>	Is semantic mediawiki used on any WMF wikis ?
[02:21:22] <Simetrical>	Does anyone actually know or use all its commands?
[02:21:23] <yksinaisyyteni>	no
[02:21:26] <Simetrical>	Charitwo, no, AFAIK.
[02:21:32] <yksinaisyyteni>	no to both, in fact
[02:21:52] <Charitwo>	who's the main developer for it?
[02:22:03] <yksinaisyyteni>	that guy with the funny name that begins with m
[02:22:12] <TimStarling>	Bram Moo something
[02:22:26] <TimStarling>	Moolenaar
[02:22:46] <TimStarling>	I doubt he knows all the commands in it
[02:23:00] <TimStarling>	he probably has to read his own manual
[02:23:19] <Simetrical>	That's vim.  I'm assuming Charitwo's question was about SMW.
[02:23:28] <yksinaisyyteni>	i thought so too
[02:23:49] <TimStarling>	Markus?
[02:24:17] <yksinaisyyteni>	Markus Krötzsch
[02:25:32] <Charitwo>	well, reason i ask is, there's a bug where it does not recognize February 29th as a valid date
[02:25:41] <Marybelle>	Semantic?
[02:25:45] <Charitwo>	yea
[02:25:47] <Simetrical>	!hesaidsemantic
[02:25:47] --mwbot--	http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/576/hesaidsemanticga2.jpg
[02:25:52] <Marybelle>	There we go. :-)
[02:26:04] <Platonides>	xDD
[02:26:10] <yksinaisyyteni>	does it recognise 23:59:60 as a valid time?
[02:26:44] <Marybelle>	Only on February 30, I imagine...
[02:26:44] <Charitwo>	i dunno, i came across this and wondered http://alicesoft.wikia.com/wiki/Sandbox#SMW_stuff_test
[02:26:56] <Simetrical>	Marybelle, no, that time is only valid on December 31.
[02:27:00] <Simetrical>	Leap seconds!
[02:27:14] <Marybelle>	Leap seconds are silly.
[02:27:29] <Marybelle>	The whole leap concept is rather silly...
[02:27:31] <Charitwo>	maybe it would only recognize it in 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012, etc
[02:27:44] <Charitwo>	but any other non-year year it returns as invalid
[02:27:48] <Charitwo>	non-leap year*
[02:28:24] *Simetrical 	considers whether he should shell out money for the O'Reilly book on vi
[02:28:32] *Simetrical 	thinks that's excessive for a bloody text editor
[02:28:50] <Marybelle>	People still use vi?
[02:28:57] <yksinaisyyteni>	vi is really simple
[02:29:03] <yksinaisyyteni>	it's just vim that has loads of commands
[02:29:05] <Marybelle>	I don't understand the aversion to a UI...
[02:29:22] <yksinaisyyteni>	Marybelle: using one thing doesn't imply an aversion to something else
[02:29:34] <yksinaisyyteni>	but i learn unix on a computer with a GUI, so i didn't have much choice
[02:29:36] <Marybelle>	After a long time it strongly suggests it.
[02:29:36] <werdnum>	command-line IRC is good, but I don't like command-line text editing.
[02:29:43] <TimStarling>	better than having variable-length seconds
[02:29:45] <Simetrical>	Marybelle, if you saw how ridiculously many useful commands it has, you'd begin to understand.
[02:30:01] <Marybelle>	Simetrical: That sounds like an argument for better UI text editors. ;-)
[02:30:04] <yksinaisyyteni>	plus GUIs don't work well over ssh, and at least half my text editor is on remote computers
[02:30:10] <yksinaisyyteni>	so it makes sense to use the same editor locally too
[02:30:13] <Simetrical>	Marybelle, yes, but nobody's come up with them, have they?
[02:30:23] <yksinaisyyteni>	Simetrical: one word: nedit.
[02:30:24] <Simetrical>	TimStarling, why not fixed-length everything?  Who cares if the stupid seasons jump around like crazy, anyway?
[02:30:27] <werdnum>	yksinaisyyteni: X forwarding!
[02:30:29] <Marybelle>	I use BBEdit.
[02:30:31] <yksinaisyyteni>	Simetrical: the only GUI text editor worth using
[02:30:49] <Simetrical>	werdnum, how much of your CPU and network does that use unnecessarily?
[02:31:28] <Simetrical>	Marybelle, does BBEdit have a two-character command for "jump to right before the next semicolon on this line"?
[02:31:35] <Simetrical>	t;
[02:31:43] <CIA-58>	03brion * r45477 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/Sanitizer.php): 
[02:31:43] <CIA-58>	Revert r45387 "Add special case handling of the XHTML character entity "&apos;" to normalizeEntity() and decodeEntity(). This should resolve the remainder of bug 14365.
[02:31:43] <CIA-58>	It might seem cleaner to just add the appropriate entry to $wgHtmlEntityAliases, but this would break decodeEntity() as currently written. Explicitly note this in the comments."
[02:31:44] <CIA-58>	This doesn't make any sense. Is there any reason not to just add apos to $wgHtmlEntities if it's valid XHTML?
[02:31:48] <Marybelle>	No.
[02:32:01] <Marybelle>	But it also doesn't have a "give me a pony" option, but I'm perfectly happy.
[02:32:09] <Marybelle>	I have a mouse.
[02:32:18] <Simetrical>	vim also has ridiculously good syntax highlighting.
[02:32:24] <Simetrical>	It's unreasonable.
[02:32:35] <Simetrical>	It syntax-highlights Apache config files, /etc/fstab, and git commit messages.
[02:32:39] <Simetrical>	Among other things, probably.
[02:32:42] <yksinaisyyteni>	vim also has a *really* annoying bug on debian/ubuntu
[02:32:43] <Simetrical>	All perfectly.
[02:32:51] <TimStarling>	it breaks when you write <<<END in PHP
[02:33:03] <TimStarling>	a fact which I haven't managed to get through to brion yet
[02:33:09] <Simetrical>	TimStarling, but if you write <<<HTML it syntax-highlights as HTML!
[02:33:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Entries in the image table with invalid titles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14365  +comment (10brion)
[02:33:23] <Simetrical>	Maybe the <<<END thing should be reported to the vim people.
[02:33:28] <brion-codereview>	hm?
[02:33:41] <Simetrical>	On the other hand, gedit breaks if you have '?>' inside a string literal.
[02:33:48] <TimStarling>	I have to keep changing it to ENDS so it looks like a string again
[02:33:49] <brion-codereview>	fix the bug in vim then!
[02:34:18] <TimStarling>	brion-codereview: have you ever edited a vim syntax script file?
[02:34:21] <yksinaisyyteni>	Simetrical: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vim/+bug/291373
[02:34:23] <brion-codereview>	hehehe
[02:34:26] <yksinaisyyteni>	Simetrical: ever seen that one?
[02:35:27] <Marybelle>	I think I'm more surprised people still develop this software...
[02:36:11] <yksinaisyyteni>	Marybelle: you know vim has a GUI, right?
[02:36:24] <Marybelle>	Does it? 
[02:36:25] <Simetrical>	TimStarling, is it Turing-complete?
[02:36:44] <Marybelle>	So it does. I was reading about vi.
[02:36:52] <Marybelle>	Well, that makes a bit more sense then.
[02:37:22] <Simetrical>	Marybelle, but people don't use it half the time.
[02:37:23] <Simetrical>	At least.
[02:37:38] <Simetrical>	If you're using a terminal over SSH, you can't use the GUI, so no point getting familiar with it.
[02:37:39] <Marybelle>	No, no. These people like to feel old...
[02:37:48] <TimStarling>	http://tstarling.com/stuff/php.vim
[02:37:58] <yksinaisyyteni>	most people who regularly edit text in a GUI editor don't use the GUI
[02:38:03] <Simetrical>	yksinaisyyteni, I don't normally use ^Z and fg like that.  Interesting, that would come in handy a lot.
[02:38:04] <yksinaisyyteni>	it's just there to make it easier to learn initially
[02:39:13] <TimStarling>	that's half of it...
[02:39:36] <werdnum>	Simetrical: you didn't know about ^Z, fg?
[02:40:22] <yksinaisyyteni>	that bug is really strange, because it only seems to affect a few people, and it only happens on debian
[02:40:35] <TimStarling>	here's the other half: http://tstarling.com/stuff/php-syntax.vim
[02:40:44] <werdnum>	Simetrical: there's also bg instead of fg, which backgrounds it :)
[02:41:15] <TimStarling>	1300 lines of sparsely-commented code in a vim-specific language
[02:41:17] <CIA-58>	03brion * r45478 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/cleanupImages.php: 
[02:41:17] <CIA-58>	Pulling back r45388 "Don't needlessly shy from reuniting lost files with their description pages."
[02:41:17] <CIA-58>	I'm staring at this code and my brain just ain't liking it. :) Can we maybe just make the logic cleaner?
[02:41:50] <TimStarling>	which turns out to depend for its operation on all kinds of subtle inter-pass effects
[02:41:56] <Mike_lifeguard>	ooooo, not reverted -- "pulled back" :P
[02:42:12] <werdnum>	TimStarling: it looks like some franken-basic language.
[02:42:58] <Simetrical>	werdnum, I knew about them, I just never really used them.
[02:43:15] <werdnum>	oic
[02:43:38] <Simetrical>	But then yksinaisyyteni implied that she used them regularly, and I thought "hmm . . . now that I think about it, that seems useful".
[02:43:53] <Simetrical>	Is there any equivalent to kill -STOP in Windows?  It's actually quite useful functionality.
[02:44:51] <werdnum>	is that the same as kill -9?
[02:45:01] <yksinaisyyteni>	no, it's like ^Z
[02:45:06] <TimStarling>	I don't think there is such a thing in windows, no
[02:45:15] <werdnum>	oic
[02:45:18] <werdnum>	that's pretty cool.
[02:45:22] <Simetrical>	-9 is -KILL.
[02:45:33] <yksinaisyyteni>	except ^Z sends SIGTSTP, but they're basically identical
[02:45:35] <Simetrical>	-STOP and -CONT stop and continue processes.
[02:45:44] <Jack_>	Hello, I am a newbie to Media Wiki, and am ahving issues understanding templates. Are there like pre-fabricated templates out there, or do I have to make them myself?
[02:46:05] <Marybelle>	userinit.exe is corrupt. Thank you Vista.
[02:46:06] <Simetrical>	Jack_, there are millions on Wikipedia, but if you try learning from them your brain may liquefy.
[02:46:09] <werdnum>	Is there a key combination for sending SIGKILL?
[02:46:12] <yksinaisyyteni>	^\
[02:46:21] <yksinaisyyteni>	well, that's SIGQUIT... but again, same thing
[02:46:25] <TimStarling>	note that windows was originally a cooperative multitasking OS and so processes couldn't be stopped in it without freezing the system
[02:46:25] <Marybelle>	!templates | Jack_ 
[02:46:25] --mwbot--	Jack_: For more information about templates, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates>. The most common issues with templates copied from Wikipedia can be fixed by installing ParserFunctions <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions> and enabling HTML Tidy <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUseTidy>.
[02:46:42] <Simetrical>	yksinaisyyteni, SIGQUIT can't be intercepted?
[02:47:04] <Jack_>	Thank you for the info. Now you will have one less lamer to bug you.
[02:47:09] <Simetrical>	It doesn't seem to work for me in any event.
[02:47:51] <yksinaisyyteni>	Simetrical: it can, but it's very rare
[02:47:58] <carl-m>	Simetrical: any signal except STOP and KILL can be handled
[02:48:05] <carl-m>	man sigaction
[02:48:07] <Simetrical>	werdnum, actually, I've used ^Z + bg plenty before, but never thought of how useful ^Z + fg might be.
[02:48:11] <yksinaisyyteni>	(and it's usually bad form, since it makes ^\ not work)
[02:48:16] <werdnum>	Simetrical: ah :)
[02:48:20] <werdnum>	I'm the opposite
[02:48:28] <werdnum>	just recently realising how useful ^Z, bg is.
[02:48:41] <yksinaisyyteni>	usually people catch SIGINT (^C) and SIGTERM if they want to do 'confirm close?' or whatever
[02:49:10] <Simetrical>	werdnum, I was using ^Z, bg to mean "let me get on with what I was doing, this is taking longer than I thought", and for that of course you do ^Z followed right away by bg.
[02:49:23] <yksinaisyyteni>	Simetrical: if ^\ doesn't work for you, it's more likely the program disabled cooked mode on the terminal
[02:49:38] <Simetrical>	^Z, fg would be like "let me stop this for a second to check something before continuing", which would mean you do commands in between.
[02:49:41] <Simetrical>	I wasn't thinking of it that way.
[02:49:49] <werdnum>	Simetrical: yeah - it's great.
[02:49:59] <werdnum>	I use it all the time when editing config files and such.
[02:50:01] <Simetrical>	Of course you could switch to another terminal tab.
[02:50:21] <TimStarling>	I use ^Z with bg more often than fg
[02:50:33] <TimStarling>	when I decide that a command could have done with an ampersand
[02:50:57] <werdnum>	Right, I only knew about 'bg' recently, so I've recently started doing that.
[02:51:07] <yksinaisyyteni>	Simetrical: but ^Z preserves your user id, pwd, and other things about the session
[02:52:03] <Simetrical>	yksinaisyyteni, so does Ctrl-T for me, in GNOME Terminal.  Unless I'm logged into a remote host, then I have to log in again.
[02:52:07] <Simetrical>	And cd.
[02:52:16] <Simetrical>	Normally I keep several tabs open per host I access.
[02:52:23] *yksinaisyyteni 	is 95% of the time on a remote host
[02:52:41] <TimStarling>	werdnum: for completeness, you should read this: http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bashref.html#Job-Control
[02:52:46] <Simetrical>	A lot of the time me too, but it's normally one of about two, so I just keep some extra terminal windows open 24/7.
[02:52:58] <werdnum>	TimStarling: thanks :)
[02:53:25] <yksinaisyyteni>	then again, opening a second remote tab in securecrt is much quicker than openssh... i should probably get around to binding a key to do that
[02:55:48] *TimStarling 	reads it too and discovers things he didn't know
[02:55:56] <CIA-58>	03brion * r45479 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Title.php: 
[02:55:56] <CIA-58>	Revert r45389 "Disallow broken Talk:File:x type titles (bug 5280)"
[02:55:56] <CIA-58>	This is doing really weird things, like normalizing 'Talk:Wikipedia:Foo' to 'Wikipedia:Talk:Foo' which then redirects me to 'Talk:Foo' at Wikipedia.
[02:55:56] <CIA-58>	Need to create some test cases for this if it's redone.
[02:56:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Oddly named talk pages cannot be unwatched via Special:Watchlist /edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5280  +comment (10brion)
[02:56:21] <werdnum>	Is there a konsole equivalent of alt-tab, incidentally.
[02:56:36] <Simetrical>	Alt-tab?
[02:56:39] <yksinaisyyteni>	werdnum: in tabbed terminal apps, i usually bind ctrl-left/right to move left/right
[02:57:09] <Simetrical>	GNOME Terminal uses Ctrl-PageUp/Down for switching between tabs, for some idiotic reason.
[02:57:26] <Simetrical>	GNOME needs to standardize on tab-switching behavior.  And it needs to use Ctrl-Tab, while it's at it.  :)
[02:57:37] <werdnum>	Simetrical: yes, ctrl-tab is what I want :)
[02:57:39] <yksinaisyyteni>	gnome terminal is a useless pile of junk
[02:58:03] <Simetrical>	:)
[02:58:06] <Simetrical>	What do you use?
[02:58:22] <yksinaisyyteni>	konsole
[02:58:22] <yksinaisyyteni>	or xterm
[02:58:36] <yksinaisyyteni>	the only problem with konsole is its interface is a bit 'big'
[02:58:41] <yksinaisyyteni>	(large tabs, etc)
[02:59:15] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Special: UnwatchedPages should list unwatched pages in the content namespace(s) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16433  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[02:59:26] <TimStarling>	at least gnome terminal hasn't had any arbitrary shell execution vulnerabilities
[02:59:35] <Simetrical>	What don't you like about GNOME Terminal?
[02:59:51] <yksinaisyyteni>	one day i will finish RTerm, and it will be awesome
[03:00:02] <yksinaisyyteni>	Simetrical: slow, bad emulation (although it's gotten better recently)
[03:00:20] <Simetrical>	How can a shell be slow?
[03:00:21] <yksinaisyyteni>	the last time i tried to use it seriously was around gnome 2.6, back then it couldn't even run ircII
[03:00:31] <TimStarling>	unlike xterm which had one released yesterday
[03:00:32] <Simetrical>	Although it did have a giant memory leak in Hardy.
[03:00:35] <yksinaisyyteni>	Simetrical: it's slow/jerky to updat the screen
[03:00:41] <Simetrical>	What's "emulation" in this context?
[03:00:55] <yksinaisyyteni>	terminal emulation -- a GUI app that pretends to be a VT100 terminal
[03:01:08] <yksinaisyyteni>	(it's not really a terminal, hence emulator)
[03:04:00] <Simetrical>	It's been an informative hour or so, but I'm off to bed.  Good night.
[03:04:23] <werdnum>	night Simetrical 
[03:05:16] <TimStarling>	the best terminal app is putty
[03:05:28] <TimStarling>	makes me want to use windows just to log back into linux
[03:05:31] <yksinaisyyteni>	s/putty/securecrt
[03:05:33] <CIA-58>	03brion * r45480 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/CodeCommentsListView.php: 
[03:05:33] <CIA-58>	Cleanup r45390:
[03:05:33] <CIA-58>	* Use '...' rather than 'ellipsis' message to be consistent with other code in this module
[03:05:33] <CIA-58>	* Remove stray space
[03:05:33] <CIA-58>	* Just use the ellipsis parameter on truncate, rather than trying to duplicate it!
[03:05:34] <CIA-58>	* Move htmlspecialchars() to outside the truncation stuff for general correctness/safety
[03:05:36] <werdnum>	Yeah, putty is pretty cool.
[03:05:47] <werdnum>	TimStarling: I think there's a putty for linux.
[03:06:01] <yksinaisyyteni>	dose putty even do tabs yet?
[03:06:15] <TimStarling>	iirc it only does ssh on linux, it doesn't do local terminals
[03:06:20] <werdnum>	But I don't know if it does a local terminal.
[03:06:22] <werdnum>	Yeah :)
[03:06:30] <werdnum>	You could have a 'localhost'
[03:06:35] <werdnum>	profile, but that seems wasteful/.
[03:07:38] <TimStarling>	probably not tabs, no
[03:08:03] <TimStarling>	the best thing about putty is configurability
[03:09:31] <TimStarling>	so many emulation options, plus things like the ability to turn bidi on and off dynamically
[03:09:53] <werdnum>	bidi?
[03:10:04] <yksinaisyyteni>	bidirectional (RTL)
[03:11:41] <werdnum>	oic
[03:11:41] <yksinaisyyteni>	specifically, using both at the same time - so LTR vim editing Hebrew text, for instance
[03:11:41] <TimStarling>	bidi is nice if you understand the language in question, but it's a pain in the neck otherwise
[03:11:41] <werdnum>	yeah.
[03:23:54] <CIA-58>	03aaron * r45481 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.hooks.php: Add autopatrol of new pages to log
[03:28:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) FlaggedRevs' talk page patrolling behaves irregular - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16913  (10JSchulz_4587)
[03:33:26] <CIA-58>	03brion * r45482 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/ (refreshLinks.inc refreshLinks.php): 
[03:33:26] <CIA-58>	Pull back r45431 for the moment "Updated deleteLinksFromNonexistent function:" etc
[03:33:26] <CIA-58>	There's some funny output with \x08 stuff, and I don't want to fiddle with it just now...
[03:34:39] <werdnum>	whoa, brion's still doing code review?
[03:36:10] <Charitwo>	werdnum: he made a pot of coffee earlier
[03:37:14] <CIA-58>	03brion * r45483 10/trunk/phase3/ (7 files in 4 dirs): 
[03:37:14] <CIA-58>	Revert r45432 "* Added "Advanced search" link to the search form"
[03:37:14] <CIA-58>	+ . '<a href="' . wfMsg ('searchaction') . '" rel="search">' . wfMsg ('powersearch-legend') . '</a></form>';
[03:37:14] <CIA-58>	The crap is this?
[03:37:36] <Charitwo>	:o
[03:37:49] <White_Cat>	werdnum I think he is tracking an infinite loop
[03:38:05] <White_Cat>	and found himself unable to escape
[03:38:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) All revisions of talk page get patrolled automatically on sighter's/sysop' s edit, instead each explicitly - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16914  (10JSchulz_4587)
[03:46:14] <CIA-58>	03brion * r45484 10/trunk/phase3/ (includes/specials/SpecialVersion.php skins/monobook/rtl.css): 
[03:46:14] <CIA-58>	Pulling back r45448 "Enabling support for RTL langauges in Special:Version tables"
[03:46:14] <CIA-58>	Per notes on the rev, the use of inline styles is kind of ugly. This probably should be redone cleaner...
[03:54:30] <Marybelle>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16433
[03:54:33] <Marybelle>	What on Earth?
[03:54:42] <CIA-58>	03brion * r45485 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 4 dirs): 
[03:54:42] <CIA-58>	Revert r45450, r45451 "(bug 2242) Introduce expiry time for temporary passwords."
[03:54:42] <CIA-58>	<b>Notice</b>: Undefined variable: wgNewPasswordExpiry in <b>/Library/WebServer/Documents/trunk/includes/User.php</b> on line <b>2710</b><br />
[03:54:46] <Marybelle>	Why would that be WONTFIXED?
[03:55:17] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Proposal: introduce an expiry time for the temporary password - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2242  +comment (10brion)
[03:59:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) FlaggedRevs' talk page patrolling behaves irregular - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16913  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[04:00:05] <yksinaisyyteni>	for the reason explained in the comment
[04:00:46] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Unnecessary title disambiguation by cleanupImages.php - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16916 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Maintenance scripts; (nospam)
[04:01:18] <CIA-58>	03brion * r45486 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Wiki.php: 
[04:01:18] <CIA-58>	Pull back r45458 "Fix diff= urls with no title (bug 15233)"
[04:01:18] <CIA-58>	This code is illegible; it's not very clear what it's doing or why. Please redo with clearer code; comment if necessary.
[04:01:39] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Output on diff page uses the ?title= parameter instead of the correct title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15233  +comment (10brion)
[04:03:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Unnecessary title disambiguation by cleanupImages.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16916  (10nospam)
[04:05:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) All revisions of talk page get patrolled automatically on sighter's/sysop' s edit, instead each explicitly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16914  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[04:09:44] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special: UnwatchedPages should have greater namespace options - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16917 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (public)
[04:10:42] <Danny_B>	brion-codereview: what exactly you did not like/understand on advanced search link?
[04:11:30] <werdnum>	Danny_B: 1/ You're using wfMsg() for something that isn't localisable.
[04:12:01] <werdnum>	2/ You're using wfMsg directly, should be wfMsgExt( 'powersearch-legend', 'parseinline' )
[04:12:32] <werdnum>	3/ You should be using Xml functions, not writing the HTML yourself.
[04:14:14] <Danny_B>	werdnum: thanks for suggestions
[04:14:24] <Danny_B>	re 3/ i've just extended what already was there. if there was xml:: stuff used there i'd use it
[04:14:49] <Danny_B>	pretty much same applies for 2/
[04:15:47] <Danny_B>	re 1/ i see i've copypasted too much - some skins do not use it that way, but other way (i've copied from from's action attribute)
[04:16:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) FlaggedRevs' talk page patrolling behaves irregular - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16913  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[04:16:04] <werdnum>	It isn't localisable.
[04:16:10] <werdnum>	herefore it shouldn't be a system message.
[04:17:20] <Danny_B>	weird,i've tested it on my localhost and it worked. i'll try to do it better way now
[04:19:36] <Danny_B>	aah, i see how i've created that nonsense, stupid me :-/
[04:19:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) FlaggedRevs' talk page patrolling behaves irregular - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16913  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[04:22:35] <Danny_B>	werdnum: re the 3/ - do i have to rewrite it using xml::... stuff if it'snot used there or not? is it mandatory? and re 2/ why wfmsgext when other strings nearby use wfmsg? i'm a bit confused about that :-/
[04:22:47] <werdnum>	It isn't mandatory, just a suggestion.
[04:23:01] <werdnum>	The second one is basically because we prefer wikitext to HTML for system messages
[04:23:04] <werdnum>	particularly new ones
[04:23:17] <Danny_B>	that's not new but already used one
[04:23:51] <werdnum>	Well it has to be consistent.
[04:24:03] <CIA-58>	03brion * r45487 10/trunk/phase3/includes/parser/Parser.php: 
[04:24:03] <CIA-58>	Pulling r45473 back for now "Reduce code duplication correctly this time"
[04:24:03] <CIA-58>	Let's hold off on further section anchor generation changes until we have decent test cases covering the different ways we we stuff through...
[04:25:05] <Danny_B>	that's exactly what i've thought and why i used wfmsg which is used all around there...
[04:28:13] *Danny_B 	watches the codereview table and sees that today is the big reverting day ;-)
[04:29:05] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Problem with User.php if no cookies present - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16579  +comment (10brion)
[04:31:18] <CIA-58>	03brion * r45488 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Title.php: 
[04:31:19] <CIA-58>	Pull back r45367 "(bug 12458) Protected page titles should show only one protection notice"
[04:31:19] <CIA-58>	This code seems messy and looks wrong; it looks like it won't take various protections into account.
[04:31:36] <yksinaisyyteni>	brion-codereview: are we pullbacking instead of reverting now?
[04:32:08] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Protected page titles should show only one protection notice - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12458  +comment (10brion)
[04:32:29] <Splarka>	/nick brion-synergetic-code-conservation
[04:34:15] <CIA-58>	03brion * r45489 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialImport.php: 
[04:34:15] <CIA-58>	Revert r45340 "(bug 16793) text entered into the log entry should remain when an error is returned"
[04:34:15] <CIA-58>	Incomplete & kinda broken:
[04:34:15] <CIA-58>	This is conflicting between the two forms on the page when transwiki import is available:
[04:34:15] <CIA-58>	1. The transwiki form's comment field isn't filled out at all. Note this is the only one that most Wikipedia admins will see, since upload import is usually disabled...
[04:34:19] <CIA-58>	2. Both forms submit the comment field as 'log-comment' and store it into $this->logcomment, so if it were filled out the same way you'd get the text from whichever one you submitted put into both.
[04:34:22] <CIA-58>	Only the form that actually got submitted and errored out should have its comment field prefilled.
[04:34:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  text entered into the log entry should remain when an error is returned - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16793  (10brion)
[04:35:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Entries in the image table with invalid titles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14365  (10nospam)
[04:36:43] <brion-codereview>	svn up'ing testwiki
[04:37:35] <Danny_B>	seems like i won't make it with my patch today...
[04:38:34] <brion-codereview>	no more patches unless the fix a regression since last week :)
[04:38:50] <brion-codereview>	ok folks, try out test.wikipedia and see if it's happy :D
[04:39:06] <Danny_B>	:'-(
[04:39:36] <Splarka>	plz link to the page of changes that didn't get reverted
[04:40:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Oddly named talk pages cannot be unwatched via Special:Watchlist /edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5280  (10nospam)
[04:40:18] <brion-codereview>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/This_week%27s_updates <- whee
[04:41:03] <Marybelle>	brion-codereview: Image moving for sysops? :-)
[04:41:08] <brion-codereview>	in theory
[04:41:19] <Danny_B>	.-)
[04:41:20] <Danny_B>	brion-codereview: are you ok with adding those feed icons or you'd rather wait until all browsers will render it properly?
[04:43:10] <brion-codereview>	eh let's try it out and see :D
[04:43:16] <brion-codereview>	as lon as it's not actively breaking
[04:43:37] <brion-away>	i'm gonna go away from the computer for a little and check back in :)
[04:43:50] <brion-away>	TimStarling: feel free to scap after an hour or two if nothing seems broken on test
[04:44:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Oddly named talk pages cannot be unwatched via Special:Watchlist /edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5280  (10nospam)
[04:47:44] <Splarka>	weird seeing (prev) instead of (last) in history
[04:48:00] <Splarka>	weird not seeing an image on a diff on a file: page
[04:49:00] <Splarka>	<li id="t-permalink"><a href="/w/index.php?oldid=65691" title="Permanent link to this version of the page">Permanent link</a>   that is "pretty" ?
[04:52:58] <Danny_B>	Splarka: bettern than with title=adjsgfoaufgeqowrgfqozfgeofgaofhqogfoaef  random urlencoded unicode chars
[04:54:44] <Splarka>	unless you wanna know what the link was to without having to click it, or try to figure out what it was to if it gets deleted later
[04:55:58] <Danny_B>	let's see if i didn't screw something up again :-O
[04:56:16] *Splarka 	hides
[04:56:21] <CIA-58>	03danny_b * r45490 10/trunk/phase3/ (7 files in 4 dirs): * Added "Advanced search" link to the search form
[04:56:49] <Splarka>	Danny: well the 'pretty' is still very anti-anglo-centric, stop discriminating against us ^_^
[04:57:32] <Danny_B>	did i say something about "pretty" word?
[04:58:00] <Splarka>	implied!
[05:01:13] <Simetrical>	brion-away, I'm not sure what your commit message means.  Is further work on section anchors blocked on the creation of a regression suite that's not restricted to parserTests?  Because that seems like a pretty tall order.
[05:02:18] <Simetrical>	I tested it on a bunch of stuff and it seemed to work.  Not like it's super-critical if it fails.  On the other hand, it needs to be fixed to go forward with the change to XML id's.
[05:04:24] <Danny_B>	Simetrical: speaking about that, so we do have any provement now that id's can be xml id's and not html? i'd appreciate the link so i can know for future
[05:06:03] <Splarka>	sweet, curid => <meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" />
[05:06:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Entries in the image table with invalid titles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14365  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[05:06:15] <Splarka>	wow, Special:Contributions looks busy now
[05:06:42] <Simetrical>	Danny_B, the validator says so.  Try it on a page like this.  http://www.twcenter.net/wiki/User:Simetrical/Id_test
[05:07:10] <Simetrical>	If it validates, works, and is arguably correct according to the standards, I don't see any point in debating its purity further, since it would really make the ids look a lot nicer.
[05:07:56] <Danny_B>	who wouldn't. i was just checking that we are 100% sure that xml ID type applies
[05:08:11] <Danny_B>	btw what does css validator say on such ids?
[05:08:13] <Splarka>	{{Special:Newpages/username=Splarka}}  sheesh! someone just needs to make a CONSISTENT class or function for special page transclusion
[05:08:23] <Simetrical>	Nothing, it lets them through with no comment.  Check for yourself.
[05:11:41] <Danny_B>	Simetrical: css validator, not xhtml... http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?profile=css2&warning=2&uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.twcenter.net%2F~simetrical%2Ftests%2Funicode_anchor.html
[05:16:57] <Danny_B>	Simetrical: that solution with _ seems nicer than with x
[05:19:23] <Danny_B>	it would be nice if we had some htaccess rule like (.*)#([0-9].*) -> $1#_$2 so when one would write the fragments manually in url wouldn't have to think about the underscore before numbers
[05:20:49] <Danny_B>	Simetrical: how does it treat the characters not defined in Letter?
[05:29:32] <Splarka>	http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,24880190-5001021,00.html   why does Australia hate life on this planet? heh
[05:35:31] <Danny_B>	Simetrical: check the source now - there are some inconsistencies in id creations
[05:36:08] <Danny_B>	i also see always numbering from 2 or 0,2,3,4... always missing 1
[05:40:19] <yksinaisyyteni>	those wacky australians
[05:43:10] <p858snake>	Splarka: because we have stupid people in power?
[05:43:33] <Danny_B>	Simetrical: also mind the [foobar] section - i don't think that stripping the brackets is the best approach
[05:43:36] <p858snake>	although we are working on changing fromt he coal afaik
[06:03:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Entries in the image table with invalid titles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14365  (10nospam)
[06:18:08] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Namespace for Egyptian Arabic wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16918 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (gaghaly)
[06:18:36] <Simetrical>	Danny_B, htaccess rules can't address fragments.  Fragments aren't sent in the HTTP request, they're addressed solely client-side.
[06:20:02] <Simetrical>	Danny_B, IMO, "[foobar]" -> "foobar" is the best approach here.  It looks a *lot* less ugly than the current solution.
[06:20:27] <Simetrical>	Of course it will produce weird results in all-punctuation id's or whatever, but there's not much we can do to make those look meaningful, and I imagine they're comparatively rare anyway.
[06:21:29] <Simetrical>	Brion suggested the approach of just stripping punctuation, and I thought of it independently.  It makes the most sense, since all letter and numeric characters should be allowed.
[06:21:47] <Simetrical>	Of course, it would be even better if we could use HTML5 and just accept any valid Unicode string at all that doesn't contain whitespace.
[06:22:13] <Simetrical>	But XML wants to be annoying about that, so there we have it.
[06:25:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Entries in the image table with invalid titles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14365  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[06:49:35] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Do not show the "review this revision" checkbox on article creation for sighters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16919 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[07:09:33] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) <ref></ref> without <reference/> - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16854  +comment (10pgrawehr)
[07:20:42] <Marybelle>	TimStarling: ^ If you're considering scapping.
[07:34:18] <buzz_>	morning
[07:35:03] <luna6>	ack...whats the syntax to place at the end of a url to get around this problem .... You tried to edit a section that does not exist. Since there is no section , there is no place to save your edit. 
[07:35:25] <luna6>	memory says it is &section=0 but it doesnt seem to work so must be something else
[07:36:35] <TimStarling>	alright
[07:46:11] <wikibugs>	03(VERIFIED) wfDebugLog writes an error in Apache error.log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16689  (10etienne.massip)
[07:48:06] <Splarka>	luna6: you mean section=new to append a new one?
[07:48:13] <luna6>	hmm let me try that
[07:48:38] <luna6>	awwww
[07:48:44] <luna6>	thanks again splarka
[07:48:51] <luna6>	that did the trick :)
[07:49:18] <luna6>	weird bug i get on my wiki ...shouldn't really happen
[07:49:58] <Splarka>	hmm?
[07:50:24] <luna6>	certain categories won't let me edit with that weird error 
[07:50:36] <luna6>	section=new does allow me to edit then problem goes away though
[07:51:09] <Splarka>	odd
[07:52:11] <luna6>	yeah ... http://asianmediawiki.com/Category:Hong_Kong_films
[07:52:20] <luna6>	you can take a peek and see what i'm talking about 
[07:52:28] <luna6>	can't edit that page without adding section-new
[08:02:36] <Splarka>	odd^2
[08:03:03] <Splarka>	and odd^odd is still odd!
[08:05:18] <Splarka>	must be your <google> tag
[08:05:57] <kraut>	moin
[08:09:45] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Merging WikiProjects - Simple English to English "Simple:" namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16920 major; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (johnnymrninja)
[08:10:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) uselang hack on Commons: configuration problem for fi/Suomi. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16908  (10lupo.bugzilla)
[08:11:15] <Splarka>	luna6: we've been through this before
[08:12:24] <Splarka>	http://toolserver.org/~amidaniel/chanlogs/%23mediawiki/20081010.txt
[08:12:25] <Splarka>	[07:08:12] <Splarka>	luna6: http://asianmediawiki.com/index.php?title=Category:Action_films&action=history  the page content was <google>WIKI</google>? sounds like a faulty extension, or sommat
[08:12:31] <Splarka>	[07:08:42] <luna6>	ahh that part was deleted splarka I dont use the extension anymore...
[08:13:45] <luna6>	hmm.. i don't use that extension anymore
[08:13:52] <luna6>	i guess maybe why?
[08:14:24] *Splarka 	facepalms
[08:14:32] <Splarka>	yes, we came to that conclusion 2 months ago ^_^
[08:14:46] <Splarka>	the pages using that tag are broken, and that category is one of them
[08:15:14] <luna6>	ok
[08:15:22] <luna6>	sorry now i fully understand :)
[08:15:25] <Splarka>	heh
[08:17:31] <WaRpAtH>	:O
[08:21:16] <wedgeV>	hi, i'm trying to use the api, but always get "unrecognized value for parameter 'action': query" when trying to do a query
[08:34:17] <CIA-58>	03siebrand * r45491 10/trunk/extensions/ (27 files in 26 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2009-01-07 08:15 UTC)
[08:35:57] <CIA-58>	03siebrand * r45492 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (30 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2009-01-07 08:15 UTC)
[08:45:48] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED)  Mouseover explanations for interlanguage links in native languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5231  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[08:48:57] <CIA-58>	03siebrand * r45493 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesArz.php MessagesJa.php MessagesKa.php MessagesMt.php): Localisation updates for core from Betawiki
[08:52:45] <serwou>	hi
[08:53:07] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Interwiki links to other languages doesn' t use the corresponding font - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13867  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[08:53:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) lang and hreflang attributes for interwiki links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4901  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[08:54:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) histlegend message should use live 'cur', 'last' messages instead of duplicating their contents - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16909  +comment (10siebrand)
[08:56:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) histlegend message should use live 'cur', 'last' messages instead of duplicating their contents - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16909  (10siebrand)
[08:56:56] <serwou>	Got an error after restart my MySQL database with mediawiki 1.10.0, got this error : Fatal error: Call to a member function selectRow() on a non-object in ..../User.php on line xxx  I've found a lot of google answers  like restart once more mysql and it works times to times but is it possible to fix this issue once for all?
[08:59:45] <domas>	serwou: your database isn't up? :)
[08:59:51] <serwou>	it is ;)
[09:00:03] <domas>	then innodb isn't up? :)
[09:00:05] <domas>	check error log of mysql
[09:00:14] <serwou>	no error found :-/
[09:01:11] <domas>	and if restarting mysql works
[09:01:16] <domas>	then you have something wrong with your mysql deployment
[09:03:52] <serwou>	It worked after a repair of the DB once. Here is my mysql logs : http://pastebin.com/d465bae60. I have 6 mediawiki databases on this server, everything works fine on this server since several months :-/
[09:06:17] <domas>	you shouldn't need repair on innodb tables (if they are innodb :)
[09:07:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Merging WikiProjects - Simple English to English "Simple:" namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16920  +comment (10siebrand)
[09:08:20] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Merging WikiProjects - Simple English to English "Simple:" namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16920  +comment (10siebrand)
[09:56:21] <timofonic>	Hello
[09:56:58] <timofonic>	Are there a way of doing bullet list to a piece of text (like a piece of source code) instead of a line in a user friendly way?
[09:58:31] <p858snake>	do you have an example of what you mean?
[10:00:54] <timofonic>	p858snake: http://rafb.net/p/uHCfnY74.html
[10:02:14] <timofonic>	p858snake: Do I must use "<br />" or there are a more user friendly method?
[10:02:39] <p858snake>	let me play around for a moment
[10:02:39] <timofonic>	p858snake: (I found about the possibility of "<br />" now)
[10:02:42] <timofonic>	p858snake: OK, thanks
[10:07:04] <p858snake>	i havn't been able to work anything out, but a another user with stronger wikifu senses might come along sooner
[10:07:44] <timofonic>	p858snake: uhm, no problem. Thanks for trying it ;)
[10:12:26] <Duesentrieb>	timofonic: lists for anything but single lines of text are only possible using html syntax.
[10:12:42] <Duesentrieb>	but that *does* work
[10:12:54] <timofonic>	Duesentrieb: Oh, ok :(
[10:13:15] <timofonic>	Duesentrieb: Thanks, I'm using <br>. It's PITA but at least works
[10:13:29] <Duesentrieb>	<li> works better :)
[10:14:09] <timofonic>	Duesentrieb: Thanks :)
[10:15:07] <timofonic>	Duesentrieb: No, <li> makes more bullets and I only want one
[10:16:11] <p858snake>	wrap the whole section in a <li>^^</li>
[10:16:57] <timofonic>	p858snake: Ok
[10:19:24] <timofonic>	p858snake: How to do it? This doesn't work as expected, it mixes all lines into one http://rafb.net/p/IWZYt444.html
[10:20:13] <p858snake>	i have no idea, i've never needed to do this before
[10:20:21] <timofonic>	OK :P
[10:20:29] <timofonic>	Duesentrieb: What do you think? :)
[10:21:14] <Duesentrieb>	either you use wiki-syntax for the list and <br> to wrap your code, or you use <pre> for your code and <li> for all list items.
[10:21:21] <Duesentrieb>	both options are annoying.
[10:21:22] <Duesentrieb>	pick one.
[10:22:05] <timofonic>	Duesentrieb: :(
[10:22:21] <timofonic>	Duesentrieb: Is that going to be fixed in next mediawiki versions? :P
[10:22:34] <Duesentrieb>	no.
[10:23:03] <timofonic>	Duesentrieb: Why :(
[10:23:04] <timofonic>	?
[10:23:07] <Duesentrieb>	there's no syntactically sane way to fix it. you need a clear marker for the end of the list item if it's not a single line
[10:23:16] <Duesentrieb>	so the result wouldn't be better than <li>...</li>
[10:28:25] <timofonic>	Duesentrieb: I see
[10:31:37] <Splarka>	hmm
[10:32:27] <Splarka>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13223
[10:33:21] <Splarka>	^T/im knows more about (having spent the most time writing) the parser than anyone else (currently) and he opened this bug
[10:33:32] <Splarka>	Duesentrieb ^
[10:34:48] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Show interwiki links in edit mode - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15439  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[10:40:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) eml interwiki broken on srv60 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9457   +shell; +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[10:41:13] <timofonic>	unilinky: Even the <br> way is not valid, I get message errors like this... Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /is/htdocs/wp1070818_5M8LT2903L/wiki/extensions/geshi/geshi.php on line 4275
[10:41:18] <timofonic>	oops
[10:41:25] <timofonic>	Duesentrieb: Even the <br> way is not valid, I get message errors like this... Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /is/htdocs/wp1070818_5M8LT2903L/wiki/extensions/geshi/geshi.php on line 4275
[10:42:40] <Ganlron>	Is there an extension for MediaWiki that would make maintaining documentation on IP space simpler?  Network Administrator here is thinking of using ipplan since he finds MediaWiki doesn't work well for documenting IPs
[11:18:21] <Sancus>	Hi can somebody please help, is there something I need to put in the LocalSettings.php to enable the use of {{#if:||}} statements because no matter how I try I just can't seam to get them to work.
[11:20:08] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserFunctions
[11:20:46] <Anonymous21>	Hello.
[11:21:43] <Anonymous21>	How is it possible to change overall skin or layout of wiki site?
[11:24:23] <Sancus>	Thanks Splarka
[11:24:23] <p858snake>	yes, you can customize skins and then you just have to set it as the site default
[11:24:38] <Anonymous21>	ok, but how?
[11:25:16] <p858snake>	you have to manually create the files for it, the most easiest way is to use monobook as a basis and then customize it how you like
[11:25:18] <p858snake>	!skins
[11:25:18] --mwbot--	Overview: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skins>. Skin usage: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Skins>. Gallery of CSS styles: <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gallery_of_user_styles>. Writing your own: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skinning>
[11:25:52] <p858snake>	!m Skinning | Anonymous21
[11:25:52] --mwbot--	Anonymous21: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Skinning
[11:26:04] <p858snake>	bah wrong weink
[11:26:07] <p858snake>	*link
[11:26:17] <p858snake>	!man Skinning | p858snake
[11:26:17] --mwbot--	p858snake: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skinning
[11:26:19] <Anonymous21>	well, is there any software where i can design it ?
[11:26:42] <p858snake>	not really since it uses HTML/CSS/PHP in combintations
[11:26:44] <Anonymous21>	I want to use the skin, and i found the codes: http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Custom_skin/Latest_code
[11:27:30] <Anonymous21>	where I have to put these codes, so i can enable the skin on my wiki site
[11:33:15] <siebrand>	yay
[11:36:44] <Anonymous21>	p85sanke: I'm trying codes on Adobe dreamweaver
[11:47:52] <Saqib>	My templates are not working properly.
[11:48:33] <p858snake>	define not working properly?
[11:49:42] <Saqib>	i try to create Template:Inbox but not showing correctly.http://www.tayyeb.org/mediawiki-1.13.3/index.php?title=Template:Imbox
[11:50:00] <CIA-58>	03raymond * r45494 10/trunk/extensions/RandomInCategory/SpecialRandomincategory.php: Add URL
[11:50:11] <Saqib>	http://newswiki.yourwiki.net/wiki/Template:Imbox, there are big difference 
[11:50:32] <Saqib>	p85sanke: Please check both
[11:51:04] <p858snake>	you need to install paserfunctions
[11:51:06] <p858snake>	!templates
[11:51:06] --mwbot--	For more information about templates, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates>. The most common issues with templates copied from Wikipedia can be fixed by installing ParserFunctions <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions> and enabling HTML Tidy <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUseTidy>.
[11:51:18] <p858snake>	Saqib: ^
[11:51:35] <Netweb>	I am currently running 1.13.2 (r42335) and v1.13.3 is available and have never upgraded. I have numerous mod's in LocalSettings.php and have phpBB Auth Extensioon and Widget Extensions setup. Besides a standard backup first would you say I have an easy upgrade here or is it uninstall extensions upgrade redo extensions etc. Cheers, Stephen
[11:52:23] <Saqib>	p85sanke: thanks
[11:54:36] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) New Special page: Random page in category - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15824  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[11:56:15] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) enhacement of dropdown menu on special pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15776  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[11:56:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) enable namespace inversion (&invert=1) for other special: pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14485  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[11:56:51] <Saqib>	p85sanke: how can i install paserfuctions?
[11:58:45] <p858snake>	no idea
[12:00:56] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) uselang hack on Commons: configuration problem for fi/Suomi. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16908  +comment (10lupo.bugzilla)
[12:14:49] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Deselect a namespace in Special:Contributions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12989  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[12:14:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) enable namespace inversion (&invert=1) for other special: pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14485  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[12:20:44] <CIA-58>	03tstarling * r45495 10/trunk/phase3/includes/GlobalFunctions.php: Test for disable_functions as well as safe_mode before attempting passthru(). For fix of bug 16902 in new-installer branch.
[12:37:36] <siebrand>	TimStarling: nice commit mail. 26mb.
[12:38:09] <siebrand>	Outlook no like.
[12:44:43] <TimStarling>	it's the only way to do it
[12:44:45] <TimStarling>	blame subversion
[12:45:19] <siebrand>	TimStarling: yeah, I know. Still looking for a long enough stick to reach you down under, though.
[12:45:40] <siebrand>	(hmm, was that an ambiguous comment; if so, wasn't meant to be)
[12:47:04] <siebrand>	TimStarling: maybe we can somehow truncate long commit mails?
[12:47:59] <siebrand>	TimStarling: I'm also known for creating the larger diffs :) Would probably help some watchers out there...
[12:50:38] <TimStarling>	here's the other half
[12:50:40] <CIA-58>	03tstarling * r45497 10/branches/new-installer/phase3/ (17 files in 7 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[12:50:40] <CIA-58>	* Made it possible to set $wgLogo to false and have no logo. Made this the default, installer-configurable.
[12:50:40] <CIA-58>	* Introduced $wgDeletedDirectory to replace obsolete $wgFileStore and installer-configurable
[12:50:40] <CIA-58>	* Turned the "environment" page into a "welcome" page. Still needs some work to make it more welcoming.
[12:50:41] <CIA-58>	* Refactored the getLabelled*() from InstallerDBType.php into WebInstaller where it can be useful for the WebInstaller pages
[12:50:44] <CIA-58>	* Implemented pages "Name" and "Options". Finished the MySQL settings form.
[12:50:46] <CIA-58>	* Implemented documentation pages which render files like README as wikitext.
[12:50:55] <TimStarling>	yes, would be nice
[12:51:08] <TimStarling>	or just unsubscribe from mediawiki-cvs and use CodeReview
[12:54:21] <Splarka>	did r45496 kill CIA-58 too?
[12:56:26] <TimStarling>	maybe
[12:58:36] <Simetrical>	siebrand, you could use a client that automatically truncates long mails.
[12:58:38] <Simetrical>	Like Gmail.
[13:02:32] <TimStarling>	gmail isn't a client
[13:03:30] <TimStarling>	it's a mail service which mines your emails for commercially relevant data and uses it to sell advertising
[13:03:50] <TimStarling>	thunderbird is a client
[13:04:15] <Simetrical>	Gmail has a web-based client too.
[13:04:24] <Simetrical>	Although you can use it with other clients if you like.
[13:06:12] <siebrand>	Simetrical: it's not that I have issues with it, I'll survive, but maybe others have. Just trying to be pro-active here :)
[13:07:34] <CIA-58>	03ialex * r45498 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/specials/SpecialUpload.php): 
[13:07:34] <CIA-58>	Special:Upload can now have a custom upload message instead of uploadtext by passing "uploadmsg" parameter in the url.
[13:07:34] <CIA-58>	Message name is MediaWiki:Uploadtext-custom if the page is called with Special:Upload?uploadmsg=custom.
[13:07:34] <CIA-58>	The default message will be used if the custom messages doesn't exist.
[13:07:36] <CIA-58>	This should fix the Commons "uselang" hack on for Special:Upload.
[13:10:43] <CIA-58>	03tstarling * r45499 10/trunk/extensions/Cite/ (Cite.i18n.php Cite_body.php citeParserTests.txt): Reverting r45379 as per comment 5 on bug 16854, i.e. it doesn't work with section editing.
[13:11:20] <siebrand>	TimStarling: reading the new messages in r45497 that looks really nice!
[13:12:29] <siebrand>	TimStarling: will the language used depend on the browser language string?
[13:15:38] <ialex>	siebrand: doesn't seem so
[13:15:50] <ialex>	siebrand: but that would be nice ;)
[13:17:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) FlaggedRevs' talk page patrolling behaves irregular - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16913  (10JSchulz_4587)
[13:18:14] <Simetrical>	Why is Bugzilla unable to implement "vote for this bug" in less than three clicks and two page loads?
[13:18:21] <Simetrical>	Oh, right, because Bugzilla sucks.
[13:19:44] <siebrand>	Simetrical: Why is MediaWiki unable to implement "some feature" in less than three clicks and two page loads?
[13:19:52] <siebrand>	Simetrical: Oh right! :)
[13:21:56] <TimStarling>	apparently NASA is using Bugzilla to track safety-critical issues
[13:22:05] <ialex>	also what I don't like is the big "Votes" link that links to the page describing what votes are instead of the votes list
[13:22:10] <TimStarling>	they're certainly leading the way with technology there, aren't they?
[13:22:56] <ialex>	since I always click on that link to see votes
[13:23:09] <Simetrical>	siebrand, hey, I was the one who committed AJAX watch, don't look at me.
[13:23:24] <CIA-58>	03aaron * r45500 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Wiki.php: Redo simple ?diff check code for setting the right title (bug 15233)
[13:23:29] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Output on diff page uses the ?title= parameter instead of the correct title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15233  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[13:23:30] <Simetrical>	In MediaWiki it's usually one click and one page load, anyway, if there's a link right there.
[13:23:52] <Simetrical>	Unless you need to specify more options or something, or need a new form with more details to put in, but that's not the case here.
[13:24:06] <Simetrical>	It says "Vote for this bug".  When I click on that, there's no excuse for not immediately voting for the bug.
[13:24:10] <p858snake>	i made mah own bug system (with inculded bugs for free ^.^) that only used php+html and mysql >.>
[13:24:54] <Simetrical>	I would consider trying to hack Bugzilla, but a) it's written in Perl, b) it uses CVS, c) when I finally managed to get it checked out I couldn't run the test suite.
[13:24:59] <Kartagis>	hello
[13:25:28] <Kartagis>	why aren't my line breaks shown on the page?
[13:25:43] <ialex>	Kartagis: you need two line breaks
[13:25:46] <p858snake>	all the popular bug trackers seem to need some sort of special language (Eg: bugzilla -> perl) installed on the servers
[13:26:02] <ialex>	Kartagis: or use <br />
[13:26:03] <TimStarling>	we do have our own problems of course
[13:26:06] <Simetrical>	p858snake, perl is not a "special language".
[13:26:17] <Simetrical>	It's installed on every POSIX-compliant system.
[13:26:27] <Duesentrieb>	Kartagis: because line breaks are cosidered harmeful for most things. usually, you start a new prargraph, using *two* line breaks (i.e a blank line)
[13:26:34] <TimStarling>	like the fact that we have a link in the top navigation area that says "log in / create account", and then you have to click again to create an account
[13:26:37] <Simetrical>	mod_perl/CGI/etc. may not be enabled by default, of course.
[13:26:39] <Duesentrieb>	for the rare case that you actually want line breaks, not paragraphs, use <br>
[13:26:42] <TimStarling>	instead of making that two links
[13:26:44] <p858snake>	well what i ment was, lanuages i've never seen on the shared hosting i've used
[13:26:46] <Simetrical>	TimStarling, I've been meaning to make it two links.
[13:26:49] <Simetrical>	I forgot about it.
[13:26:58] <Simetrical>	p858snake, decent shared hosting will allow Perl and Python via CGI.
[13:27:04] <Simetrical>	Cruddy shared hosting . . . won't.
[13:27:41] <Simetrical>	TimStarling, the thing is, they're clearly aware of the problem.  Someone made the effort to have the link jump to the correct place on the page and highlight the checkbox to click.
[13:27:48] <Simetrical>	Rather than just making the link actually work in the first place.
[13:28:24] <Simetrical>	Also, in our case, it used to not be an extra click to create an account.
[13:28:33] <Simetrical>	I tried to change it back that way but Brion reverted me.  :(
[13:32:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Problem with User.php if no cookies present - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16579  (10JSchulz_4587)
[13:34:52] <siebrand>	Simetrical: yeah, Ajax watch was an improvement indeed :)
[13:35:13] <Simetrical>	Of course, I didn't write it, but I committed it, so I get to take half the credit.
[13:35:16] <Simetrical>	Ditto sortable tables.  :)
[13:35:39] <siebrand>	Simetrical: I remember stumbling across it for the first time... Confused the hell out of me...
[13:35:45] <Simetrical>	It did?  :(
[13:35:51] <Simetrical>	It gives a nice informative message.
[13:36:22] <siebrand>	Simetrical: well, I was used to having an additional page load, and all of a sudden something appeared, and was replaced again by 'watching/not watching'.
[13:36:32] <siebrand>	Simetrical: I grew fond of it rapidly, though.
[13:36:51] <Simetrical>	Oh, you were already used to the software by that point.  No problem, then.
[13:37:16] <Simetrical>	Brion reverted the initial version for being too confusing, so I added the message box linking to your watchlist.
[13:39:05] <CIA-58>	03aaron * r45501 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.hooks.php: (bug 16919) Do not show the "review this revision" checkbox on article creation for sighters
[13:39:47] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Do not show the "review this revision" checkbox on article creation for sighters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16919  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[13:51:26] <Simetrical>	My "did you mean" change didn't work properly.  :(
[13:51:46] <Simetrical>	Why not?  Is Wikimedia using the new search engine class?
[13:52:11] <AaronSchulz>	TimStarling: can you run updateAutoPromote on the flaggedrevs wikis?
[13:52:15] <Simetrical>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=waflfe&go=Go
[13:52:23] *Simetrical 	glares at the stubbornly bottom-of-page "Did you mean" link
[13:52:57] <TimStarling>	ok
[13:54:10] <AaronSchulz>	tx
[13:54:51] <TimStarling>	does it check for slave lag?
[13:55:43] <AaronSchulz>	yeah
[13:57:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  impossible to list allpages or prefixindex for pages starting with . or .. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10473  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[13:58:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  impossible to list allpages or prefixindex for pages starting with . or .. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10473  (10roan.kattouw)
[14:00:31] <Simetrical>	Oh, I think I only fixed it if some results are displayed.
[14:00:33] <Simetrical>	Stupid thing.
[14:01:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) site_stats.ss_good_articles and site_stats. ss_total_pages not synchronized with the real count - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10834  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[14:04:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow limited indirection by redirects, up to $wgMaxRedirects levels. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11644  (10roan.kattouw)
[14:05:02] <Simetrical>	Aaargh, why are there two mostly identical classes in SpecialSearch.php that duplicate code and look identical so you can't tell which one you're in?
[14:05:25] <AaronSchulz>	one will get removed soon
[14:05:31] <AaronSchulz>	but yes I know the pain :)
[14:06:26] <Simetrical>	Also, why is enwiki so freaking retarded with their giant ugly messages that no one reads?
[14:06:56] <siebrand>	Simetrical: go spend some time in #wikipedia-en or STFU? :)
[14:07:13] <siebrand>	ow, darn, you are in that channel.
[14:07:15] *siebrand 	hides.
[14:08:05] *Simetrical 	needs to campaign to cut down some of the more obnoxiously long system messages there
[14:08:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Show watched status near "Watch this page" checkbox as well as on top - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14224  summary; +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[14:12:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Access QueryPage-based special pages via API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14869  (10roan.kattouw)
[14:19:37] <Saqib>	!licence
[14:19:37] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "licence".
[14:19:40] <Saqib>	! licence
[14:20:33] <Simetrical>	!botnoob | Saqib 
[14:20:33] --mwbot--	Saqib: I don't know everything about everything. I am mostly for lazy experienced users to echo quick answers to very common mediawiki questions. Please don't randomly experiment with me for help. Everything I know is at http://tools.wikimedia.de/~amidaniel/botbrain.html and you can visit #mwbot or privately message me.
[14:20:42] <Simetrical>	Saqib, do you have a question about licenses?
[14:20:53] <Saqib>	Somebody please recommend me which licence to use, I want to use contents of Wikimedia's project in my Wiki.
[14:21:11] <Simetrical>	Saqib, then use the license "GFDL 1.2 or later".
[14:21:15] <Duesentrieb>	Saqib: then you have to use the GFDL
[14:22:19] <Saqib>	Simetrical: olright
[14:22:58] <CIA-58>	03simetrical * r45502 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialSearch.php: 
[14:22:58] <CIA-58>	Make sure that "did you mean" displays at the top
[14:22:59] <CIA-58>	r45305 only fully worked if some search results were displayed. This
[14:22:59] <CIA-58>	should work even if none are.
[14:23:05] <Saqib>	Can I use photos in Wikimedia's projects on my Wiki?
[14:24:48] <Saqib>	I want to change my Wiki skin, please tell me how.
[14:25:15] <Saqib>	I got code's of my desired skin but I dont know where to put them.
[14:25:16] <Simetrical>	Saqib, all images on Wikimedia projects will have information on their image page about terms of reuse.
[14:25:19] <Simetrical>	!skin | Saqib 
[14:25:19] --mwbot--	Saqib: Overview: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skins>. Skin usage: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Skins>. Gallery of CSS styles: <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gallery_of_user_styles>. Writing your own: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skinning>
[14:28:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Performance optimization for sortable tables - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15402  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[14:29:16] <Saqib>	what about other licence(CC) available with MediaWiki software ?
[14:30:03] <Simetrical>	What about it?
[14:30:33] <Saqib>	For which purpose, we can use this one | Simetrical
[14:30:49] <Simetrical>	You can use it for whatever you want.  I don't know what your question is.
[14:30:54] <Simetrical>	It's not Wikimedia-compatible right now.
[14:31:19] <Danny_B>	Simetrical: well i think the transition should be as consistent as possible
[14:31:44] <Danny_B>	so #_foobar_ seems better to me than stripping
[14:32:00] <Saqib>	ok. If I use this one, can I have permission to use Wikimedia's content on my Wiki?
[14:32:13] <Danny_B>	especialy in case you'd have fooobar and [foobar] sections at once
[14:32:20] <Simetrical>	Saqib, you need to use the GFDL, version 1.2 or later, to incorporate Wikimedia pages into your wiki.
[14:32:34] <Saqib>	Ok. thanks 
[14:32:51] <Simetrical>	Danny_B, I don't think we need to care about transition.  As soon as the anchor is different, it's different, there's no point in trying to make it "less" different.  The only meaningful comparison of anchors is identity.
[14:33:14] <Simetrical>	"foobar" looks cleaner and nicer than "_foobar_".  Similarly "foo_bar" and "foo__bar" for multiple punctuation marks.
[14:33:29] <Wuzur|rhn>	!credit | Saqib
[14:33:29] --mwbot--	Saqib: NOTE: when using content from another wiki, follow the LICENSE TERMS, especially, attribute source and authors! Please read <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Copyright> and <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reusing_Wikipedia_content>.
[14:33:31] <Simetrical>	This way of doing things is basically standard when making things fit in URLs.
[14:34:03] <Simetrical>	You strip everything bad and replace runs of bad characters with "-" or "_", and strip those from beginning and end.
[14:34:04] <Saqib>	Now, I am in Skins folder on my server, please tell me where to put the 3 files of codes?
[14:34:44] <Danny_B>	well unlike the previous system which always created the exact id/name (+ number in case of same headlines) this system produces unpredicable  stuff
[14:34:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wikibits patch #6 - reverse sortable tables - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15403  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[14:34:56] <Simetrical>	It's very predictable.
[14:35:02] <Simetrical>	Much more so than the hex gibberish we had before.
[14:35:08] <CIA-58>	03demon * r45503 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Re-fix bug 2242 - adding expiry time for temporary passwords. Now with proper global declarations in User :)
[14:35:08] <Simetrical>	It's much more readable.
[14:35:14] <Simetrical>	And much easier to type out by hand.
[14:35:37] <Simetrical>	The anchor for "[foobar]" is impossible to type out by hand in the old system.  You'd have to remember the hex codes for "[" and "]".
[14:35:48] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Proposal: introduce an expiry time for the temporary password - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2242  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[14:35:54] <Simetrical>	There's no mileage in adding superfluous underscores, they just make it look uglier.
[14:36:26] <Saqib>	Simetrical: I get the codes of a skin but I dont know where to install them on my server, can you please help me?
[14:37:05] <Danny_B>	are you aware that if i'll have [foobar] and foobar after it that the section named reguralry foobar will not have the id which everybody would except - foobar, but foobar_2?
[14:37:14] <Danny_B>	that's what i dislike on it
[14:37:40] <Danny_B>	that it doesn't weight the ids according to if they were stripped or not
[14:38:10] <Simetrical>	Danny_B, that's not a likely scenario.  Try finding examples on Wikipedia of that and see how long it takes.
[14:38:18] <Danny_B>	if you want to strip it, well then take care about stripped id's have always higher number
[14:38:19] <Simetrical>	Unless you have one handy?
[14:38:24] <Simetrical>	That's even less consistent.
[14:38:51] <Simetrical>	I don't know what your problem is with the system, have you actually observed any faults with it in practice?
[14:38:56] <Simetrical>	Have you tried using it?
[14:38:59] <Saqib>	Simetrical: Are you hearing to me?
[14:39:13] <Danny_B>	yes, i'Ve used your wiki
[14:39:15] <Simetrical>	Saqib, I don't know offhand, ask whoever you got the skin from.
[14:39:28] <Saqib>	http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Custom_skin/Latest_code
[14:39:42] <Danny_B>	an id's look very inconsistent to me
[14:40:27] <Simetrical>	Danny_B, do you have any concrete use-cases in which there would be a reduction in utility for users?
[14:40:31] <Simetrical>	Or is this just aesthetics?
[14:42:11] <Wuzur|rhn>	Saqib: See the headings above the files... It's stated clearly were to put in
[14:42:53] <Saqib>	Simetrical: If I replace main.css(MonoBook) with codes showing in Wikinews Custom code, is it ok?
[14:43:22] <Wuzur|rhn>	Saqib: No. Se what I just wrote
[14:43:27] <Simetrical>	Saqib, I don't know, don't ask me.
[14:44:04] *yummy_coffee 	-> TimStarling
[14:44:15] <Danny_B>	Simetrical: the deal is what i mentioned before - previous anchors were EXACT, these are not. besides writing [[#šěčěš]] produced the correct anchor you did not have to take care about hex codes
[14:44:45] <Danny_B>	these id's are rather some hashes of the headline
[14:45:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) JSON encoding errors for characters outside the BMP - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16798  (10roan.kattouw)
[14:45:14] <Saqib>	<Wuzur|rhn>: Ok. I read what you said before, But I am still confused
[14:45:25] <Saqib>	I try it but not working propoerly
[14:45:32] <Saqib>	                      properly^
[14:45:46] <Simetrical>	Danny_B, typing [[#šěčěš]] still produces the correct anchor.  It always has and always will.
[14:46:27] <Danny_B>	so what was the problem with it then?
[14:46:30] <Simetrical>	Danny_B, the previous anchor encoding was one-to-one.  However, I don't see any significant use-case where this makes a difference.  If you have an *actual case* where the change makes an *actual difference* to *user experience*, please say so.  Otherwise it's aesthetics, and we'll just have to disagree.
[14:46:38] <Simetrical>	The problem is it was ugly and unreadable.
[14:46:59] <Simetrical>	We value pretty titles and id's, as an aesthetic issue.
[14:47:40] <Danny_B>	so on one hand you take care about aesthetic and on the other hand you don't? that doesn't sound so consistent :-/
[14:48:05] <metheocrite>	Hi all.
[14:48:20] <teteur5-87>	hi
[14:48:51] <Simetrical>	Danny_B, no.  I think aesthetics are important, but they're subjective.  If you prefer it a different way from the way Brion and I do, you aren't going to convince me and there's no point in arguing.  Bring it up on Wikitech-l and see if others agree.
[14:49:00] <Danny_B>	Simetrical: suggestion: create a page with grammar or algorithm diagram or whatever to describe how exactly it works
[14:49:07] <Simetrical>	Danny_B, the code is very simple.
[14:49:23] <metheocrite>	Do you know any up2date, still maintained spellcheck extension ? I found this one : http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Spellcheck but I'm reluctant to install it, cause even if it works today, i'm not sure i'll find someone to make it work in a future with another release.
[14:49:59] <Danny_B>	Simetrical: why you pushing me the opinion which ios not mine? there's no fight about the previous version was not the best
[14:50:24] <Wuzur|rhn>	Saqib: Ok. Go to the skin directory, and create a file named WikiNews.php Put the first chunk of code in there. Then create a new directory named wikinews and a file in there main.css Put the second chunk in there. Go to the skins directory again, create a file named WikiNews.deps.php and put the second chunk of code in there. Go to the wikinews directory again, and save the file http://upload.wik
[14:50:25] <Simetrical>	Because you evidently aren't being clear enough in stating your opinions for me to get them correct.
[14:50:26] <Wuzur|rhn>	imedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/Wn-gradient.png as wn-gradient.png in there. At last create a file named spacer.gif in the wikinews directory named spacer.gif which is 1x1px big and black. Go to you LocalSettings.php and add the line "$wgDefaultSkin = wikinews;" without the "" there.
[14:50:38] <Simetrical>	Or else I'm just not understanding them.
[14:51:03] <Wuzur|rhn>	Saqib: The filename which is broken is http://upload.wik 	imedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/Wn-gradient.png
[14:51:03] <metheocrite>	Also I'm afraid that it's the only extension listed in http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix that matches /spell/i :(
[14:51:11] <Wuzur|rhn>	Saqib: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/Wn-gradient.png
[14:51:15] <Simetrical>	You brought up a couple of other aesthetic issues.  I disagreed with them.  There's no point in discussing that further, bring it up on Wikitech-l for broader discussion of opinions.
[14:51:23] <Simetrical>	Here's the algorithm, from Sanitizer.php.  http://pastebin.ca/1302754
[14:51:45] <Simetrical>	$nameStartChar and $nameChar are straight out of the XML standard.
[14:51:52] <proppy>	Hi, is there a way to export all the dependencies (recursivly) of a Templates ?
[14:52:01] <Danny_B>	Simetrical: my opinion is in a nuthsell: well, yes, if it is valid,then let's use unicode stuff, but let's have the id's as consistent with headlines as possible like the previous system was
[14:52:16] <Danny_B>	which currently is not
[14:52:32] <Simetrical>	Danny_B, the current ones are very consistent and simple to construct.
[14:52:35] <Simetrical>	Except, as always, the numbering.
[14:52:51] <Danny_B>	i don't agree with stripping because it gives random weight to similar headlines
[14:52:54] <Simetrical>	The encoding is not close to one-to-one and isn't intended to be.  A one-to-one encoding would be much uglier.
[14:52:56] <Danny_B>	as i described above
[14:53:02] <Simetrical>	Similar headlines are unlikely to occur in practice.
[14:53:04] <Simetrical>	As I noted above.
[14:53:31] <Danny_B>	unlikely?
[14:53:32] <Simetrical>	We are once again going in circles and I once again suggest you take it to Wikitech-l instead of trying to argue it personally with me, because I very much doubt we're going to change each other's mind on this.
[14:53:37] <Danny_B>	ok,i have example
[14:53:48] <Danny_B>	article about regular expressions
[14:53:52] <Danny_B>	headlines like
[14:53:55] <Danny_B>	[a]
[14:53:56] <Danny_B>	(a)
[14:54:02] <Danny_B>	{1}
[14:54:03] <Simetrical>	Marginal possibility.
[14:54:05] <Danny_B>	etc
[14:54:08] <Simetrical>	Not a common case.
[14:54:35] <Danny_B>	i don't care about marginal possibility, the system MUST take care about everything
[14:54:44] <Danny_B>	otherwise it's bad system
[14:54:52] <Simetrical>	It takes care of everything.  There are just tradeoffs involved.
[14:55:09] <Simetrical>	May I once again suggest that you post your suggestions for refinement to Wikitech-l instead of arguing them personally with me?
[14:55:27] <Danny_B>	wikis about math or chemistry or programming may contain many of similar headlines
[14:55:47] <Wuzur|rhn>	!export | proppy
[14:55:47] --mwbot--	proppy: To export pages from a wiki, navigate to Special:Export on the wiki, type in the names of the pages to export, and hit "export". See <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Export> for an example of this form. See also: !import
[14:56:13] <Danny_B>	Simetrical: well as far as i saw in svn you are taking care about the neww id generator,that's why i'm trying to solve it with you
[14:56:24] <Saqib>	let me try, please wait
[14:57:29] <Danny_B>	besides instead of calling it argueing would be more descriptive to call it trying/want to find the best solution
[14:58:11] <proppy>	Wuzur|rhn: I checked include Templates, and it seems to include recursivly all the needed template thanks
[14:58:18] <proppy>	!import | proppy
[14:58:18] --mwbot--	proppy: To import pages a few pages, use Special:Import - you can also import pages directly from another wiki (see !importsources). For mass imports, use importDump.php - see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Importing_XML_dumps> for details. NOTE: when using content from another wiki, follow the LICENSE TERMS, especially, attribute source and authors!
[15:00:48] <Simetrical>	Danny_B, I'm the one writing the code.  That does not mean I get to make decisions by fiat.  If you object to a decision I make, and I disagree with your objection, the proper course of action is to ask other developers' opinions.
[15:01:01] <Simetrical>	Of course it's fine to try working it out with me first, but that's failed, we disagree.
[15:01:05] <Simetrical>	So on to a broader discussion.
[15:01:12] <Simetrical>	And if you don't call what we just did arguing, I don't know what is.
[15:01:19] <proppy>	Wuzur|rhn: I get the following traceback
[15:01:35] <rjwill>	hello all
[15:01:48] <rjwill>	can someone tell me what table contains mediawiki page data
[15:01:59] <rjwill>	my webserver is down and i need to query a few things
[15:02:06] <Saqib>	Wuzur|rhn: can i make 1x1 big black dot in bitmap?
[15:02:20] <Wuzur|rhn>	Saqib: If you save it as .gif, yes
[15:02:21] <rjwill>	page doesnt look right...
[15:02:45] <Saqib>	Wuzur|rhn: ok, let me try
[15:03:16] <teteur5-87>	sobody can speek english
[15:03:19] <teteur5-87>	?
[15:03:30] <Wuzur|rhn>	rjwill: The database you choose, and all tables in it (with the given prefix if you defined one)
[15:03:42] <rjwill>	im in my db
[15:03:45] <Wuzur|rhn>	teteur5-87: Most people here as you see
[15:03:47] <rjwill>	i see a page table
[15:03:55] <rjwill>	i can query for the page title there
[15:04:03] <rjwill>	but i dont know what table has the data
[15:04:19] <Wuzur|rhn>	rjwill: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Database_layout
[15:04:34] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) API list=recentchanges results are completely wrong - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16877  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[15:05:13] <Wuzur|rhn>	rjwill: The current wikitext is in the revisions table
[15:05:29] <rjwill>	thnx
[15:06:37] <Danny_B>	Simetrical: arguing (at least in the way how i always understood that word - maybe lost in translation?) implies to me people shouting on each other speaking dirty words etc. i'd rather prefer the word discussion as i feel it that way. i don't think we are about to kill each other just because of stupid piece of code, are we?
[15:08:22] <Saqib>	Wuzur|rhn: Its working,thanks :)
[15:08:32] <piksi>	regarding mw and licenses: does anyone know if the creative commons licenses are backwards compatible (a work licensed with 2.0 can be relicensed under 2.5 and so on without changing the fundamental stuff) ?
[15:08:35] <Saqib>	Wuzur|rhn: but some errors :(
[15:09:08] <Saqib>	Wuzur|rhn: check it please: http://www.tayyeb.org/mediawiki-1.13.3/index.php?title=Main_Page
[15:09:11] <Wuzur|rhn>	Saqib: $wgDefaultSkin = 'wikinews'; should have been the proper line, sorry
[15:09:30] <Duesentrieb>	Saqib: cc is forward-compatible since 2.5
[15:09:38] <Danny_B>	btw - we take care about unicode fragment identifiers but keep %XX encoded urls - that's also a little bit inconsistent
[15:09:52] <Duesentrieb>	(i think. check though)
[15:09:59] <Wuzur|rhn>	Saqib: But this won't change the display of the skin, it's how this skin looks like
[15:10:25] <Simetrical>	Danny_B, we don't urlencode fragments because IE and Opera refuse to recognize them then.  Otherwise we'd urlencode() both.
[15:10:47] <Simetrical>	It's IE that's inconsistent, not us.  :)
[15:10:57] <Saqib>	yah, i put properly thats why it working but not correctly
[15:10:57] <Saqib>	oh damn.
[15:10:57] <Saqib>	how can  i fix this skin?
[15:11:02] <Simetrical>	It makes no difference to the user in a good browser anyway, like Firefox >= 3.
[15:11:33] <Wuzur|rhn>	Saqib: edit the file wikinews.php in your skins directory according to your needs
[15:12:01] <Danny_B>	Simetrical: now i'll have question about the use case - who will write the url with fragment identifier manually in address bar? urls are mostly being copied
[15:12:08] <Saqib>	where ? in FrontPage  or Dreamweaver?
[15:12:25] <Simetrical>	Danny_B, nobody is likely to write the fragment manually.  The goal is readability.
[15:12:44] <Simetrical>	Gibberish is ugly and annoying, even if practically speaking it doesn't make a huge difference to the user.
[15:12:50] <Simetrical>	This is mostly an aesthetics change, as I said.
[15:13:24] <Simetrical>	It also helps improve comprehensibility of links: if you hover over a link you get nice Unicode characters instead of gibberish, so you know what section you're going to.
[15:13:27] <Wuzur|rhn>	Saqib: Use whatever you like... but Frontpage won't support php and Dreamweaver is (like Frontpage too) a little bit creepy. I'd prefer to use a text editor with syntax highlighting
[15:14:20] <Danny_B>	Simetrical: i won't in cases i described i'll get #foobar in statusbar but it will take me to [foobar] - confusing
[15:14:35] <Danny_B>	user-unpredicable behavior
[15:14:57] <Danny_B>	btw - did you find out why the number 1 is always missing?
[15:14:57] <Simetrical>	That will always be confusing.  We can't write "[" in URLs.
[15:15:26] <Morbus>	g'day. is there a page explaining why /wiki is better than storing all your wiki pages in /? I thought there was, but can't find it, and this guy just setup a new wiki all under /.
[15:15:31] <Simetrical>	The number 1 has always been omitted.  The anchors are generated one by one, not all at once.
[15:15:31] <Danny_B>	Simetrical: well,then (foobar) - same case
[15:15:48] <Morbus>	ah, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_in_site_root_directory
[15:15:49] <Simetrical>	We can't have parentheses in id's, unless we switch to HTML5.
[15:16:03] <Duesentrieb>	!docroot | Morbus
[15:16:03] --mwbot--	Morbus: I don't know anything about "docroot".
[15:16:07] <Duesentrieb>	whut?
[15:16:12] <Duesentrieb>	where did it go?
[15:16:14] <Simetrical>	At the time the first id is generated, anyway, it doesn't know there will be a later conflicting one.
[15:16:32] <proppy>	it seems that http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:Tnavbar is delete from mediawiki.org
[15:16:37] <Saqib>	Is there anybody who can help me fixing a skin.php file?
[15:16:47] <Danny_B>	Simetrical: i didn't say the opposite. i said that if i'll have section (foo) followed by section foo the #foo willo take me to (foo) so it's confusing
[15:17:37] <Simetrical>	And as I said, that's not a common scenario, so I view the fact that "foobar" is prettier than "_foobar_" as more important.
[15:17:39] <Saqib>	Wuzur|rhn: Can you help me :)
[15:18:17] <Wuzur|rhn>	Saqib: Please describe your problem, and maybe I help you if I have nothing to do
[15:18:41] <Danny_B>	pretty versus confusing,hmm, what would people like more... to be confused or to see something nice in place where they don't care about niceness?
[15:18:54] <Saqib>	Wuzur|rhn: I want to fix skin, its broken.
[15:19:31] <Simetrical>	Danny_B, are you still arguing with me after I asked you four different times to take it to Wikitech-l?
[15:19:35] <Wuzur|rhn>	Saqib: What's broken there? The skin works like intented, maybe you want to have it look different?
[15:19:51] <Saqib>	Wuzur|rhn: actually, i dont have something like text editor with syntax highlighter
[15:20:04] <proppy>	Does Infobox is known to works with 1.13 ?
[15:20:23] <Wuzur|rhn>	proppy: It should, when you install that one:
[15:20:31] <Saqib>	Wuzur|rhn: maybe, but i want to change it a little bit
[15:20:37] <Wuzur|rhn>	!e ParserFunctions | proppy
[15:20:37] --mwbot--	proppy: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserFunctions
[15:22:11] <Wuzur|rhn>	Saqib: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_text_editors
[15:22:31] <proppy1>	Wuzur|rhn: sorry I got disconnected what was you saying
[15:22:36] <proppy1>	about -> Does Infobox is known to works with 1.13 ?
[15:22:44] <proppy1>	s/was/were/
[15:22:46] <Wuzur|rhn>	It should, when you install that one: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserFunctions
[15:22:54] <Saqib>	<Wuzur|rhn> proppy: It should, when you install that one:
[15:23:01] <proppy1>	Wuzur|rhn: ok thanks
[15:23:59] <Saqib>	Wuzur|rhn: please check it, I want like this: http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/File:WikinewsSkin-1024.png
[15:24:17] <Danny_B>	wikisource - laws: == 1 == === (1) === === (2) ===  == 2 == === (1) === === (2) ===
[15:24:20] <Saqib>	Wuzur|rhn: If you fix it, i'll be greatful to you
[15:25:46] <Wuzur|rhn>	Saqib: a) you did not properly put in the wn-gradient.png-file and you should use a logo with white colours which is stretched in the width, not height
[15:25:53] <Wuzur|rhn>	!logo | Saqib
[15:25:53] --mwbot--	Saqib: The logo that appears in the top left of each page is determined by $wgLogo in the LocalSettings.php file. To change this you simply change the value of $wgLogo to point to the URL of your own logo. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgLogo> for more information. Be sure $wgLogo is set to an absolute path, starting with "/" (or a protocol "http:"/"https:"). If you are using pretty URLs a relative path will behave oddly.
[15:26:43] <proppy1>	Wuzur|rhn: it worked thanks
[15:27:51] <Saqib>	Wuzur|rhn: Well, regarding logo, let me create it but I have put wn.gradient.png -file properly. as far as i notce
[15:28:03] <Wuzur|rhn>	Saqib: I did. There are some gradients and a cool logo is missing
[15:28:04] <Saqib>	                                                                                                              notice^
[15:28:31] <Wuzur|rhn>	Saqib: Somehow not. Is it in skins/wikinews/wn-gradient.png ?
[15:29:06] <Saqib>	yah
[15:30:49] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED)  Moving a page over a redirect should remove entries from the RC table - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16877  summary; +comment (10mrzmanwiki)
[15:31:25] <Wuzur|rhn>	don't looks like that, some other gradients are missing, you should create them
[15:32:05] <Saqib>	Wuzur|rhn: you notice in my Wiki, some box stretched, some becomes small and not in proper condition as compare to snapshot.
[15:32:38] <Saqib>	but i dont know,which gradients are missing .. :(
[15:32:40] <Saqib>	you know ?
[15:32:59] <Wuzur|rhn>	sorry, it's the first time I looked at the skin
[15:34:19] <Saqib>	Wuzur|rhn: so now?
[15:34:54] <Wuzur|rhn>	play a little bit aroud with that files, learn html and php, sorry
[15:35:19] <Saqib>	oh noo :(
[15:35:22] <timofonic>	Is there a way to start a number list by a negative number? For examply, -1
[15:35:27] <timofonic>	example
[15:35:54] <Saqib>	Wuzur|rhn: wait, i got latest php code for this wiki, let me try 
[15:38:35] <Saqib>	not working . do you have codes looking like this one?
[15:39:31] <proppy1>	Wuzur|rhn: still a pb thought the infobox is not showing on the left like on wikipedia, http://ligamen.org/mediawiki/index.php/Resume:Proppy
[15:39:40] <proppy1>	maybe it is a css issue
[15:40:18] <Wuzur|rhn>	proppy1: Yes, you need to copy [[MediaWiki:Commons.css]] and [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]] to your wiki
[15:41:08] <Saqib>	what about me ?
[15:41:12] <proppy1>	Wuzur|rhn: thanks, should I document this process somewhere ?
[15:41:58] <timofonic>	Anyone knows if there's a way of starting a numbered list by a negative number?
[15:42:23] <timofonic>	-1 0 1 2 3 4 5 6, intead 1 2 3 4 6 7 8
[15:42:31] <Wuzur|rhn>	proppy1: The best way is to use special:export for that one and check, that all revisions are copied, or you have to make a list of all contributors
[15:43:34] <Wuzur|rhn>	proppy1: And kill the spam bot on your wiki...
[15:43:51] <Wuzur|rhn>	!spam | proppy1
[15:43:51] --mwbot--	proppy1: For information about combating and handling spam in MediaWiki, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Combating_spam> and <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Anti-spam_Features>.
[15:44:36] <proppy1>	Wuzur|rhn: yep I just installed FancyCaptcha
[15:44:43] <Wuzur|rhn>	:)
[15:44:51] <Saqib>	Wuzur|rhn: Maybe we are still mising CSS file for this skin. Is it ?
[15:44:59] <timofonic>	!lists
[15:44:59] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "lists". You might try: !list !mailinglists !smw !support 
[15:45:05] <Wuzur|rhn>	Saqib: yes
[15:45:07] <proppy1>	Wuzur|rhn: thanks
[15:45:08] <timofonic>	!numberedlists
[15:45:08] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "numberedlists".
[15:45:10] <timofonic>	:P
[15:45:31] <Wuzur|rhn>	!botnoob | timofonic
[15:45:31] --mwbot--	timofonic: I don't know everything about everything. I am mostly for lazy experienced users to echo quick answers to very common mediawiki questions. Please don't randomly experiment with me for help. Everything I know is at http://tools.wikimedia.de/~amidaniel/botbrain.html and you can visit #mwbot or privately message me.
[15:46:23] <timofonic>	Wuzur|rhn: Anyway, I found everything about numbered lists in Google and unable to find something about starting with negative numbers. It seems the only option is by using html ones
[15:46:42] <Wuzur|away>	html ones should work on mediawiki
[15:48:34] <timofonic>	ok
[16:05:09] <CIA-58>	03siebrand * r45504 10/trunk/extensions/SignDocument/SpecialCreateSignDocument.i18n.php: 
[16:05:09] <CIA-58>	* Tweak 'createsigndoc-address'
[16:05:09] <CIA-58>	* remove some trailing spaces
[16:22:30] <Saqib>	Oh :O I was away
[16:23:53] <Saqib>	anybody know about USER:NOCLIP?
[16:29:09] <Saqib>	anybody here?
[16:35:35] <Saqib>	Reedy: Hello
[16:40:57] <CIA-58>	03raymond * r45505 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/ (SpecialAllpages.php SpecialPrefixindex.php): 
[16:40:57] <CIA-58>	Remove horizontal line bettwen input form and output.
[16:40:57] <CIA-58>	Looks odd to me since we have the nice fieldsets.
[16:42:38] <Saqib>	is it possible to add logo in modern skin ?
[16:44:23] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) The tab on the main page should read "main page", not "article" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14267  +comment (10ipatrol6010)
[16:46:05] <Saqib>	is it possible to add logo in modern skin ?
[16:48:28] <proberts>	hey guys, I'm trying to edit the sidebar, I've gone to http://localhost/wiki/index.php/MediaWiki:Sidebar and made changes and nothing shows up
[16:48:43] <Saqib>	MediaWiki: Is it possible to add logo in default Modern skin?
[16:48:45] <proberts>	I've also done ?action=purge and I'm still not having any luck
[16:48:57] <proberts>	any reason why the changes would not be showing up?
[16:49:45] <Saqib>	proberts: 
[16:49:58] <proberts>	I've googled the crap out of it too :)
[16:50:02] <proberts>	and nothing is working
[16:50:16] <Saqib>	proberts: can I've your Wiki Url?
[16:54:47] <AaronSchulz>	mmm
[16:55:42] <Saqib>	proberts: what you wanna remove or change in Sidebar?
[16:56:55] <proberts>	change
[16:57:26] <proberts>	Saqib: not sure why its not working
[16:58:10] <Saqib>	proberts: are you sysop?
[16:58:37] <proberts>	Saqib: administrator...
[16:58:48] <Saqib>	proberts: tell me what you want to change ?
[16:59:19] <proberts>	Saqib: I just want to add links
[16:59:22] <proberts>	Saqib: anything really
[16:59:43] <Saqib>	tell me which links and where?
[17:00:08] <str4nd>	!sidebar
[17:00:08] --mwbot--	To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar>.
[17:00:09] <Reedy>	proberts, what format are you doing it in?
[17:00:22] <Reedy>	yeah, right syntax?
[17:00:34] <proberts>	Reedy: what do you mean format?
[17:00:39] <CIA-58>	03aaron * r45506 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.class.php: Allow talk page autopatrolling with $wgUseRCPatrol (bug 16913)
[17:00:41] <Reedy>	syntax
[17:00:46] <Reedy>	** Special:Allpages|Our Pages
[17:00:53] <Reedy>	not ** [[Special:Allpages|Our Pages]]
[17:00:56] <proberts>	more like...
[17:01:07] <proberts>	* NEW LINKS
[17:01:15] <proberts>	** Links under new links
[17:01:54] <proberts>	* Testing
[17:01:54] <proberts>	** [http://www.yahoo.com link title]
[17:01:59] <proberts>	and it doesn't show up
[17:02:07] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) FlaggedRevs' talk page patrolling behaves irregular - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16913  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[17:02:12] <Reedy>	look at what the bot posted above
[17:02:16] <Reedy>	Its got special syntax
[17:02:51] <proberts>	trying
[17:02:55] <Saqib>	Dantman: Are you Dimay?
[17:02:56] <proberts>	looks like it might timeout
[17:04:46] <Saqib>	Reedy: How is it possible to delelte toolbox from Sidebar?
[17:05:21] <Reedy>	not a clue, does the page the bot linked to before not help?
[17:05:57] <proberts>	Reedy: the talk page bug?
[17:06:07] <Reedy>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar
[17:06:32] <Dantman>	Saqib, no
[17:07:13] <proberts>	ah hah
[17:07:18] *proberts 	is a retard
[17:07:36] <proberts>	I didn't notice the href pipe
[17:07:50] <Reedy>	lol
[17:08:01] <proberts>	its like looking in Perl for a missing '
[17:09:57] <Reedy>	:)
[17:10:17] <proberts>	isn't there a way to view all entries as well?
[17:11:24] <proberts>	nm
[17:28:25] <CIA-58>	03siebrand * r45507 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesZh_hans.php: Fix duplicate entry for special pages RecentChanges and RecentChangesLinked by removing for RecentChangesLinked.
[17:39:39] <OrEvA_>	I used to use vlc 0.8.6a as my multimedia player on my Ubuntu Hardy Box. Then I decided to update it from the source code. I am a newbie in Linux so thought it will be updated when I would compile it from source code. After I compiled it from source code, whenever I start vlc from Applications>Sound & Video>VLC media player nothing would start but when I try to open any music file or video file in vlc I can only hear the audio but I cannot see where the
[17:39:40] <OrEvA_>	 player is?When I type vlc in the terminal I get the following output:"http://paste.ubuntu.com/101758/".I dont know what to to get the GUI back!!Plz anyone help me
[17:40:59] <Wuzur|rhn>	OrEvA_: Please see the topic of this channel?
[17:41:38] <OrEvA_>	!topic
[17:41:38] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "topic". You might try: !#mediawiki 
[17:42:06] <OrEvA_>	!#mediawiki
[17:42:06] --mwbot--	read the topic of this channel
[17:42:21] <Wuzur|rhn>	OrEvA_: It's about MediaWiki not VLC, Linux or Software support in general
[17:42:37] <Wuzur|rhn>	you might want to go tu #ubuntu oder #vlc
[17:52:44] <awaynomie>	What's the best way to detect if we're doing an edit preview, from inside a ParserBeforeTidy handler?
[18:05:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special pages: Allow using templates / adding interwiki links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13489   +bugday; +comment (10brion)
[18:05:59] <CIA-58>	03ialex * r45508 10/trunk/extensions/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
[18:05:59] <CIA-58>	* Use SpecialPage_initList to add the new special pages instead of using an extension function
[18:05:59] <CIA-58>	* Put hooks in a class, moved in an new file and autoload it
[18:05:59] <CIA-58>	* Added support for special page aliases and add it to Translate
[18:06:25] <Danny_B>	how expensive would be to have special:<whatever> pages which list pages (deadend, short, long, ...) to have watched pages in bold such as recentchanges do?
[18:07:57] <brion>	in theory not too expensive; add a left join to watchlist table
[18:10:57] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Comments may be cut off on page moves and page protections - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16921 normal; normal; MediaWiki: History/Diffs; (church.of.emacs.ml)
[18:13:16] <Charitwo>	hey Tim
[18:14:22] <awaynomie>	What's the best way to detect if we're doing an edit preview, from inside a ParserBeforeTidy handler?
[18:16:41] <Danny_B>	ok, i'll file it as a request
[18:19:02] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Have listing special pages show watched pages in bold - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16922 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (danny.b)
[18:21:08] <CIA-58>	03rotem * r45509 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Localization update for he.
[18:26:11] <Saqib>	Hello 
[18:30:54] <CIA-58>	03ialex * r45510 10/trunk/extensions/OpenID/ (OpenID.hooks.php OpenID.setup.php): 
[18:30:54] <CIA-58>	* Allow schema update to be applied by running update.php
[18:30:54] <CIA-58>	* Removed trailing whitespaces
[18:32:29] <Saqib>	Ialex: Hi
[18:32:39] <ialex>	hello Saqib
[18:33:31] <Saqib>	You know about User:Noclip?
[18:34:03] <ialex>	no
[18:34:46] <proppy1>	Hi, is this forbidden to add <a> in Templates  ?
[18:34:59] <proppy1>	it seems it doesn't get parsed as html content
[18:35:06] <proppy1>	like <li> or <span> does
[18:35:12] <ialex>	proppy1: it's forbidden in wikitext
[18:35:13] <Saqib>	Ialex: My templates are not working properly.
[18:35:13] <proppy1>	see http://ligamen.org/mediawiki/index.php/Template:Resume/skill
[18:35:43] <proppy1>	ialex: I'm trying to add rel="tag" to a link
[18:36:06] <proppy1>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Microformats#MediaWiki_issues seems to tell it is a known issue
[18:36:25] <ialex>	!html | proppy1
[18:36:25] --mwbot--	For allowing any and all HTML, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgRawHtml>. This is of course VERY DANGEROUS. Safer options include <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:HTMLets>, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:RawMsg> and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SecureHTML>.
[18:36:51] *ialex 	stabs mwbot, did your syntax change?
[18:36:57] <proppy1>	ialex: thanks
[18:37:34] <Wuzur|rhn>	ialex: Today afternoon it worked...
[18:37:52] <ialex>	Wuzur|rhn: what worked?
[18:38:07] <Wuzur|rhn>	The syntax you gave mwbot
[18:38:26] <Saqib>	MediaWiki: My templates are not working properly. Somebody please help
[18:39:16] <ialex>	Wuzur|rhn: it seems to work, but dunno why that one not
[18:40:22] <proppy1>	ialex: it seems that http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ExtendAnchorTags address my needs
[18:41:29] <krunk-|work>	morning
[18:41:39] <proppy1>	ah but it doesn't seems to work within template
[18:41:41] <proppy1>	testgin
[18:42:37] <ialex>	proppy1: try {{#tag:xa|href=...|tag=...|content}}
[18:45:22] <Saqib1>	What are Manual:Configuration settings?
[18:46:43] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) New parameter value diff=review for the URL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16923 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (church.of.emacs.ml)
[18:47:27] <Saqib1>	What are Manual:Configuration settings and how can I use them?
[18:48:24] <proppy1>	ialex: it doesn't seems to help
[18:48:25] <proppy1>	http://ligamen.org/mediawiki/index.php/Template:Resume/skill
[18:48:49] <Wuzur|rhn>	!config | Saqib1
[18:48:49] --mwbot--	Saqib1: All configuration is done in LocalSettings.php (near the end of the file). Editing other files means modifying the software. Default settings are not in LocalSettings.php, you can look in DefaultSettings.php. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_MediaWiki>, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:LocalSettings.php>, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Config_script>, and <http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf>
[18:49:36] <CIA-58>	03mkroetzsch * r45511 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_DV_String.php: More robust hack to prevent hyperlinking in Type:Code properties
[18:50:19] <ialex>	proppy1: do you run your wiki behind a proxy?
[18:51:52] <proppy1>	ialex: yep why ?
[18:52:45] <ialex>	proppy1: http://ligamen.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&hideliu=1&hideminor=0
[18:53:38] <proppy1>	ialex: yes it does clutter the history
[18:56:01] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Deleting and restoring versions will result in entry on OldReviewedPages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16924 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (pbirken)
[18:58:38] <proppy1>	ialex: ahah but then with raw html you got no substitution
[18:59:11] <proppy1>	in templates
[19:06:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Deleting and restoring versions will result in entry on OldReviewedPages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16924  (10paul.copperman)
[19:16:57] <krunk-|work>	getting a "is not a recommended format" when uploading a pdf via the uploads page.The reference manual indicates this should not be the case
[19:17:00] <krunk-|work>	the default is:  $wgFileExtensions = array('png', 'gif', 'jpg', 'jpeg', 'doc', 'xls', 'mpp', 'pdf', 'zip');
[19:19:37] <CIA-58>	03raymond * r45512 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 4 dirs): 
[19:19:37] <CIA-58>	* Extend language::getLanguageName to return localized language names if available
[19:19:38] <CIA-58>	* Therefore added a hook to catch them from an extension (successfully tested with the cldr extension (see next commit))
[19:19:38] <CIA-58>	* Add a title tag to the interlanguage box entries. Only added when the title differ from the shwon text.
[19:19:39] <CIA-58>	No change of behaviour until an extension is enabled.
[19:22:17] <CIA-58>	03raymond * r45513 10/trunk/extensions/cldr/LanguageNames.php: Add a hook/function for calls from core.
[19:25:13] <Saqib>	Is there any website, from where we can get codes for MediaWiki skins?
[19:25:32] <Saqib>	or any simple way to design skins?
[19:25:38] <Reedy>	!skins
[19:25:38] --mwbot--	Overview: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skins>. Skin usage: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Skins>. Gallery of CSS styles: <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gallery_of_user_styles>. Writing your own: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skinning>
[19:26:17] <Saqib>	Reedy: Anoyther?
[19:26:55] <Saqib>	Reedy: Any external website?
[19:27:38] <Reedy>	the gallery?
[19:28:41] <Saqib>	yeah Reedy, I'm talking about Skins gallery
[19:28:51] <Reedy>	asked google?
[19:29:17] <Saqib>	You know about Wikinews skin created by User:Noclip?
[19:29:23] <Reedy>	nope
[19:30:21] <Saqib>	I can see the codes but a .css file is still mising, Is there nybody who can help me in fixing that skin please?
[19:30:40] <Saqib>	                                                               anybody^
[19:32:20] <Saqib>	Reedy: How's it possible to remove toolbox?
[19:32:29] <Reedy>	not a clue
[19:32:48] <Saqib>	what clue :O
[19:33:04] <Saqib>	you mean by you are not a Joker? :D
[19:33:52] <Saqib>	I'm talking about toolbox from Navigation bar.
[19:34:48] <Saqib>	!sidebar
[19:34:48] --mwbot--	To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar>.
[19:34:53] <Saqib>	!side-bar
[19:34:53] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "side-bar".
[19:34:56] <Saqib>	!s
[19:34:56] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "s". You might try: !! !adminsettings !answer !centralauth !copyright !csshideheader !csv2wp !displaytitle !dpl !feature !feeds !hosting !ldap !passthru !rewriteproblems !smtp !suggest !threads !webrequest !wiki2xml 
[19:34:56] <krunk-|work>	I'm attempting to set up latex for mediawiki. all the deps are installed and I've put the path to the binaries in my envvars for apache (sourced in apachectl)
[19:34:56] <Saqib>	!
[19:35:02] <Saqib>	damn
[19:35:16] <krunk-|work>	yet I still get => "sh: latex: command not found"
[19:35:26] <krunk-|work>	in my apache logs when rendering the mediawiki page
[19:42:22] <krunk-|work>	do I need to set the path with putenv in the localsettings.php or something?
[19:46:27] <PseudoOne>	hey. headbg.jpg of the monobook skin doesn't fit the color of my wiki.  Can I remove this in monobook.css so that the background-color value will fill up the entire page?
[19:51:51] <CIA-58>	03valhallasw * r45514 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/ (refreshLinks.inc refreshLinks.php): 
[19:51:51] <CIA-58>	Recommit of r45431 with these changes:
[19:51:51] <CIA-58>	* Removed backspace characters in output
[19:51:51] <CIA-58>	* Small code update
[19:51:51] <CIA-58>	* Removed 'disabled' comment from refreshLinks.php
[19:58:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) <ref></ref> without <reference/> - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16854  (10b-jorsch)
[19:58:55] <Danny_B>	what's valhallasw's nick here on irc?
[19:59:42] <ialex>	should be the same
[20:00:07] <ialex>	Danny_B: he's on #wikimedia-tech but not here
[20:02:21] <svip>	A nice feature would being able to reply to a summary on the page in question's talk page, when viewing a diff.
[20:02:41] <svip>	You know, next to the undo and rollback buttons (for sysops), there should be a "respond to this edit" thingie.
[20:09:30] <Saqib>	hello friends
[20:15:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow limited indirection by redirects, up to $wgMaxRedirects levels. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11644  (10brion)
[20:15:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) The tab on the main page should read "main page", not "article" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14267  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[20:16:27] <Saqib>	where's everybody?
[20:18:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) histlegend message should use live 'cur', 'last' messages instead of duplicating their contents - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16909  (10brion)
[20:19:10] <Saqib>	If is there anybody, who is expert in making skins, PM me. I can pay for this
[20:20:31] <CIA-58>	03ialex * r45515 10/trunk/phase3/languages/Language.php: Fix for r45512: cache the result of LanguageGetLocalizedLanguageNames hook so that it's only run once
[20:20:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Problem with User.php if no cookies present - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16579  (10brion)
[20:20:55] <Saqib>	IALEX: ARE you still there?
[20:21:06] <ialex>	Saqib: yes
[20:21:23] <Saqib>	can you help me making some little changes in a skin? Please
[20:22:02] <ialex>	better to ask somebody else ;)
[20:22:34] <Saqib>	well, i hope you can see , nobody else here is living
[20:23:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) The tab on the main page should read "main page", not "article" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14267  (10matthew.britton)
[20:23:34] <Saqib>	who is wikibugs?
[20:24:19] <Raymond_>	Saqib: a bot who annouce changes in bugzilla
[20:25:13] <Saqib>	oh
[20:25:35] <Saqib>	whats the purpose for these announcement?
[20:26:01] <ialex>	tracking bugzilla changes
[20:26:13] <ialex>	directly in this chan
[20:26:42] <ialex>	so that bugs are WONTFIXed faster! :P
[20:27:04] <Raymond_>	or DUPEd :)
[20:27:16] <ialex>	that one too, yeah ;)
[20:27:45] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Diffs silently fail when $wgExternalDiffEngine is set to ' wikidiff2' but extension is not installed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16925 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: History/Diffs; (brion)
[20:28:17] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Cannot vote for bugs in product "Wiktionary tools" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16915  +comment (10brion)
[20:32:00] <photofroggy>	hey, is it possible to have text in a section title that doesn't show up in the table of contents for the page?
[20:32:30] <photofroggy>	say, I have "== lol wot foo ==" and the table of contents just shows it as "wot foo"
[20:33:50] <Saqib>	photo: I did'nt get you, what you want to explain?
[20:34:26] <photofroggy>	Saqib, you know how you can have headings in a wiki page?
[20:34:29] <Saqib>	well, as far I know, section title doesnt hide in table of contents
[20:34:36] <photofroggy>	Saqib, and they show up in the contents box
[20:34:46] <CIA-58>	03valhallasw * r45516 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/refreshLinks.php: 
[20:34:46] <CIA-58>	* Added batch-size parameter to optionsWithArgs
[20:34:46] <CIA-58>	* Added --batch-size example syntax
[20:34:51] <CIA-58>	03raymond * r45517 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/specials/SpecialMovepage.php): 
[20:34:51] <CIA-58>	* (bug 16921) Add a maxlength for the reason field of the page move form
[20:34:51] <CIA-58>	Changed from 'textarea' to 'text' because 'textarea' does not support maxlength.
[20:34:51] <CIA-58>	Makes it consistent with all other reason fields.
[20:34:52] <photofroggy>	I want to be able to hide specific parts of the title
[20:35:03] <Saqib>	ofcourse use ==HEADING==
[20:35:09] <ialex>	Raymond_: \o/
[20:35:19] <photofroggy>	Saqib, I know that
[20:35:39] <Saqib>	not possible, but maybe IALEX or Raymond can help you in this.
[20:35:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) All revisions of talk page get patrolled automatically on sighter's/sysop' s edit, instead each explicitly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16914  (10JSchulz_4587)
[20:36:03] <Saqib>	IALEX, RAYMOND: what say?
[20:36:23] <ialex>	Saqib: i don't think this is possible
[20:36:48] <Saqib>	yeah
[20:37:10] <ialex>	not by default at least
[20:37:24] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Comments may be cut off on page moves and page protections - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16921  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[20:37:24] <ialex>	dunno if a hacky extension exists for that ;)
[20:37:35] <Saqib>	photo: hands up :D
[20:39:36] <Saqib>	IALEX: Why my templates are not working? I 've tries with parser function
[20:40:40] <photofroggy>	could this be useful, ialex? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConditionalShow
[20:41:07] <ialex>	photofroggy: don't think so
[20:41:31] <photofroggy>	hm
[20:41:35] <Saqib>	photo: this extention is useless. 
[20:41:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) missing tooltip of images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16912  15enhancement->minor (10WIKImaniac)
[20:43:05] <photofroggy>	bah, there aren't any extensions that involve the contents box
[20:45:09] <Saqib>	yeah, because its not possible 
[20:46:12] <AaronSchulz>	brion: can you review flaggedrevs?
[20:47:19] <photofroggy>	well, thanks
[20:47:20] <photofroggy>	bye
[20:47:41] <Saqib>	yap
[20:48:05] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) The move reason field should be one line only - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13627  +comment (10matthew.britton)
[20:49:50] <Mike_lifeguard>	\o/
[20:49:59] <Saqib>	anybody know about USER:PETER?
[20:50:05] <Saqib>	aka PEDRO
[20:50:07] <AaronSchulz>	brion: to sync of course :)
[21:09:32] <CIA-58>	03aaron * r45518 10/trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): (bug 16923) New parameter value diff=review for the URL
[21:09:33] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) New parameter value diff=review for the URL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16923  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[21:10:38] <CIA-58>	03aaron * r45519 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.hooks.php: Type safety
[21:11:43] <CIA-58>	03btongminh * r45520 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/ (CodeRepoListView.php CodeReview.i18n.php SpecialCode.php): Add a subtitle for easy navigation
[21:12:18] <CIA-58>	03aaron * r45521 10/trunk/phase3/StartProfiler.php: Revert - didn't mean to commit this!
[21:16:34] <Androyd>	Hi, is possible to define a structure always equal for the page? (example: all the page contains: description, place, time, etc... and no more!)
[21:16:36] <Androyd>	And then, is possible make search for the specific components? (example: i want search all the events that are in New York -> place=New York)
[21:16:37] <Androyd>	Sorry for my english!!
[21:16:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) All revisions of talk page get patrolled automatically on sighter's/sysop' s edit, instead each explicitly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16914  (10JSchulz_4587)
[21:21:25] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Allow limited indirection by redirects, up to $wgMaxRedirects levels. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11644  +comment (10skizzerz)
[21:26:13] <CIA-58>	03ialex * r45522 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (CHANGELOG Configure.php Configure.settings-ext.php): Added support for OpenID extension
[21:28:40] <Androyd>	 /msg nickserv help
[21:29:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Comments may be cut off on page moves and page protections - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16921  (10church.of.emacs.ml)
[21:30:57] <CIA-58>	03siebrand * r45523 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/Configure.settings-ext.php: Add $wgGoogleAdSenseAnonOnly to Configure.settings-ext.php
[21:33:48] <Danny_B>	whose idea was to call the parameter in presentational way ("redlink") instead of semantical (eg. "nonexistant")?
[21:34:11] <Platonides>	svn blame
[21:34:15] <CIA-58>	03ialex * r45524 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/CHANGELOG: Added CHANGELOG entry for last siebrand's commit :)
[21:34:45] <brion>	bleh, ok that's enough working sick for now. i'm taking a nap before i make myself sicker
[21:36:36] <CIA-58>	03aaron * r45525 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.hooks.php: Remove needless ampersand from function argument
[21:40:14] <Androyd>	Hi, is possible to define a structure always equal for the page? (example: all the page contains: description, place, time, etc... and no more!)
[21:40:16] <Androyd>	And then, is possible make search for the specific components? (example: i want search all the events that are in New York -> place=New York)
[21:48:56] <Merlissimo>	how it it possible to get a list of all words used as namespace from the api?
[21:50:28] <Laaknor>	Merlissimo: api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=namespaces
[21:50:43] <Merlissimo>	but that are not all
[21:50:53] <Laaknor>	that's all that are on that wiki
[21:51:09] <Merlissimo>	on the wiki e.g. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/P:QSM works
[21:51:30] <Merlissimo>	but P is not listed on http://de.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=namespaces|namespacealiases
[21:51:50] <Laaknor>	you can do api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=namespaces|namespacealiases to list the aliases too
[21:52:06] <Laaknor>	but shortcuts are not neccesarily a namespace
[21:52:27] <Laaknor>	they might be counted as an article
[21:55:30] <Merlissimo>	thx Laaknor, yes you are right {{namespace}} returns 0
[21:55:52] <Laaknor>	anytime ;)
[21:56:31] <CIA-58>	03aaron * r45526 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.class.php: (bug 16924) Deleting and restoring versions will result in entry on OldReviewedPages
[21:56:35] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Deleting and restoring versions will result in entry on OldReviewedPages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16924  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[21:58:25] <CIA-58>	03siebrand * r45527 10/trunk/extensions/NewUserMessage/ (NewUserMessage.class.php NewUserMessage.php): Add user's real name as second template parameter. Based on suggestion by anonymous on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:NewUserMessage
[21:59:09] <eghjaytee>	Is there a way to get statistics on user edit? Like an extension or other script?
[22:00:51] <ialex>	eghjaytee: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Contribution_Scores
[22:01:15] <ialex>	maybe not that one
[22:01:34] <eghjaytee>	hrm
[22:02:23] <Prodego>	eghjaytee: there are a number of open source edit counters
[22:02:58] <eghjaytee>	Prodego: is there a page where they are listed?
[22:03:33] <Prodego>	eghjaytee: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:KATE#MediaWiki_features_and_extensions
[22:03:40] <Prodego>	note they are designed for enwiki
[22:03:52] <Prodego>	but a lot of them have open code, so it would be relatively easy
[22:04:05] <CIA-58>	03siebrand * r45528 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (CHANGELOG Configure.settings-ext.php): Add support for NewUserMessage extension
[22:05:45] <Splarka>	Danny_B: it was originally &editredlink -> http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=31140
[22:06:03] <Charitwo>	hey Splarka 
[22:06:03] <Splarka>	it was changed to a separate parameter per http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=31291
[22:06:29] <Splarka>	rar
[22:07:11] <RickZilla>	I'm getting a weird error, I've tried uninstalling MW, reinstalling, backing up db, reinstalling db, etc...and nothing seems to work....It won't let me delete a page, I keep getting an error that says "A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:
[22:07:13] <RickZilla>	    (SQL query hidden)
[22:07:14] <RickZilla>	from within function "Article::doDeleteArticle". MySQL returned error "1054: Unknown column 'ar_page_id' in 'field list' (h41mysql75.secureserver.net)".
[22:07:43] <Splarka>	Danny_B: the conversation started IIRC here: 
[22:07:45] <Splarka>	http://toolserver.org/~amidaniel/chanlogs/%23mediawiki/20080221.txt
[22:07:49] <Splarka>	[05:24:29] <TimStarling>	today I will commit a fix for red links that tell you you're blocked
[22:07:49] <Splarka>	[05:24:59] <Charitwo>	before they try to edit a page?
[22:07:49] <Splarka>	[05:25:31] <TimStarling>	a lot of readers don't know what a red link means
[22:08:05] <ialex>	RickZilla; did you run mainteance/update.php?
[22:08:28] <RickZilla>	ialex:  I haven't, I'll go try that
[22:08:51] <blakkino>	Androyd, hi
[22:09:40] <ialex>	ar_page_id was added in 1.11
[22:10:49] <RickZilla>	ialex:  Hmmm...I upgraded from 1.11 to 1.13, actually, and I'm using the latest php and MySQL versions....where is the update script located?
[22:11:39] <Prodego>	update.php
[22:11:44] <Simetrical>	!upgrade | RickZilla 
[22:11:44] --mwbot--	RickZilla: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading
[22:13:49] <RickZilla>	ialex:  Should I be able to run that script directly?  Or do I need to open up a command line?  I'm unfamiliar with command lines
[22:14:02] <ialex>	RickZilla: command line
[22:14:26] <RickZilla>	dang...can somebody talk me through that?
[22:14:42] <Androyd>	Hi, is it possible to define a structure which is always equal for each page?
[22:15:49] <[KrusheR]>	hi
[22:16:01] <[KrusheR]>	does anyone know when is 1.14 due?
[22:16:56] <CIA-58>	03aaron * r45529 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/ApiCodeUpdate.php: Remove unused var
[22:17:52] <Reedy>	Anytime soon
[22:17:56] <Reedy>	i suspect
[22:18:22] <RickZilla>	Can somebody talk me through an update script from a command line?  Thanks in advance for your help...hopefully it will just take a few minutes
[22:18:23] <ialex>	2011 :P
[22:20:06] <Reedy>	RickZilla, surely php /path/to/script.php ?
[22:20:24] <RickZilla>	Not working for me...says the file isn't there, and I've double checked spelling, etc
[22:20:36] <Reedy>	tab to autocomplete?
[22:20:40] <RickZilla>	Somebody on here said I have to run it from command line
[22:20:59] <Prodego>	yes update.php needs to be run from the command line
[22:21:08] <Androyd>	Hi, is it possible to define a structure which is always equal for each page and then make a specific query?
[22:21:20] <RickZilla>	Can somebody talk me through that?  Shouldn't take but a few minutes
[22:21:26] <Prodego>	$ php update.php --aconf ../AdminSettings.php basically
[22:21:41] <RickZilla>	Prodego:  I have no idea what to do with that
[22:21:56] <Prodego>	where are you running mediawiki?
[22:22:06] <RickZilla>	The url?  Or the host?
[22:22:24] <Prodego>	an external server?
[22:22:29] <RickZilla>	Yes
[22:22:39] <Prodego>	ok so do you SSH in to that server?
[22:22:39] <CIA-58>	03siebrand * r45530 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (CHANGELOG Configure.settings-ext.php): Add support for ReplaceText extension
[22:22:54] <RickZilla>	I'm not sure how to do that
[22:23:02] <Prodego>	how have you been connecting to the server?
[22:23:07] <RickZilla>	via ftp
[22:23:40] <Prodego>	who is the host
[22:23:45] <RickZilla>	godaddy
[22:24:37] <Reedy>	Marybelle, go #autowikibrowser ;)
[22:25:02] <CIA-58>	03ialex * r45531 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/CHANGELOG: Group entries
[22:25:23] <Prodego>	RickZilla: so 
[22:25:31] <Prodego>	you connect via ftp...
[22:25:37] <Prodego>	how did you run the installation scipts
[22:25:41] <Prodego>	script*
[22:26:14] <RickZilla>	didn't run it...I installed mediawiki directly, and connected to the db from within the LocalSettings.php file
[22:26:57] <CIA-58>	03siebrand * r45532 10/trunk/extensions/ReplaceText/README: Bump version requirement
[22:27:54] <Prodego>	RickZilla: well I am not exactly qualified to help you... umm, what sort of hosting plan have you got
[22:28:16] <RickZilla>	Prodego:  Linux server
[22:28:38] <RickZilla>	And it was running fine before, I've had it up and going for about a year now
[22:28:56] <Prodego>	shared I assume?
[22:29:20] <RickZilla>	yes
[22:29:48] <RickZilla>	...it just seems like I should be able to run the update.php file directly...I do that all the time when I upgrade Wordpress
[22:30:17] <Marybelle>	What's your issue?
[22:30:22] <Splarka>	ialex: hey, is there a reason logged in users need both $siteargs['ts'] = $wgUser->mTouched;  and $siteargs['smaxage'] = '0';  on gen=css ?
[22:30:33] <Prodego>	RickZilla: if you can't access the command line
[22:30:35] <Prodego>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading_to_1.13#Alternative_1:_phpShell
[22:30:45] <ialex>	Splarka: no idea
[22:31:09] <Splarka>	ialex: it seems breaky and uncachable, the &ts should be sufficient...
[22:31:48] <RickZilla>	Thanks Prodego, I'll take a look...Hopefully godaddy isn't beginning to suck for me, like it has for a few others
[22:35:06] <Simetrical>	RickZilla, there's an option for updating without shell access.
[22:35:20] <Marybelle>	Re-run config.php.
[22:35:23] <Marybelle>	That's what I used to do.
[22:35:35] <Simetrical>	Yeah, basically.  http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading#Alternative_2:_Re-run_the_installer
[22:35:42] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Namespace Request for pl.wikisource.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16926 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (rith1)
[22:35:59] <Splarka>	ialex: I guess it is needed to prevent preferences contamination of two people saving preferences with the same timestamp, ahh well
[22:36:56] <mike1412>	hello
[22:37:17] <RickZilla>	Marybelle:  Thanks, ran the script ok, but I'm still getting the error when I try to delete a page...really frustrating at this point
[22:37:27] <Marybelle>	Which error?
[22:38:04] <RickZilla>	Marybelle:  1054: Unknown column 'ar_page_id' in 'field list' (h41mysql75.secureserver.net)
[22:38:10] <RickZilla>	As of right now, I can't delete any pages
[22:38:20] <Marybelle>	ar_page_id...
[22:38:24] <Marybelle>	Isn't that FlaggedRevs?
[22:38:29] <Marybelle>	Or is that the archive table?
[22:38:30] <mike1412>	i need help for sam braodcaster is this the right channel??
[22:38:37] <Marybelle>	mike1412: Not at all.
[22:38:57] <Simetrical>	Archive table.
[22:39:08] <Simetrical>	RickZilla, are you sure the upgrade worked?
[22:39:17] <RickZilla>	Simetrical:  Nope
[22:39:24] <Simetrical>	Well, then.
[22:39:28] <Simetrical>	Try again and see what it outputs.
[22:39:31] <RickZilla>	I ran the config folder, and that ran through ok
[22:39:41] <Simetrical>	What did it output?
[22:39:48] <RickZilla>	Simetrical:  That's the thing, i don't know how to run the upgrade script
[22:40:01] <Simetrical>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading#Alternative_2:_Re-run_the_installer
[22:40:03] <Simetrical>	Do that.
[22:43:30] <mike1412>	whats about me?
[22:54:40] <chuck>	When is the 1.14 released slated for?
[22:55:42] <ialex>	two months ago :P
[23:01:08] <Marybelle>	chuck: A release candidate should be out either today or tomorrow.
[23:02:32] <chuck>	Marybelle: okay
[23:08:57] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) add support for firefogg - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16927 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Uploading; (dale)
[23:09:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) add support for firefogg - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16927  (10dale)
[23:10:48] <mdale>	the patch for firefogg is ready.. but won't work super well until we add in uploading to the API.. since the upload request happens asynchronously given how firefogg works... 
[23:11:16] <mdale>	(right now I just have javascript parse the html output )  == ugly 
[23:12:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) add support for firefogg - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16927   +need-review +patch (10raimond.spekking)
[23:14:17] <mdale>	should i just commit that into proper .. or wait until I have time to do a new version with the upload API? 
[23:23:09] <Danny_B>	i'd wait for api
[23:23:38] <mdale>	yea.. is anyone working on that? should I work on that? 
[23:24:44] <mdale>	I will ping the api list