[00:00:07] brion-meeting, I've re-committed it with a link to all the stuff that I tested this time. [00:00:59] \o/ [00:01:11] /o/ [00:01:11] It's a laptop-enabled meeting, I take it? [00:01:13] \o\ [00:01:20] wifi rocks [00:01:23] Where nobody expects you to pay much attention? [00:01:40] :D [00:05:51] 03aaron * r45589 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.hooks.php: (bug 16914) Autopatrol only the edit made, not previous ones; was using the wrong function [00:05:55] 03(FIXED) All revisions of talk page get patrolled automatically on sighter's/sysop' s edit, instead each explicitly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16914 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [00:18:24] hi brion [00:19:07] how is it even possible that a open source project of mediawiki's calibre has such a dead irc room? [00:19:53] i mean this room is dead [00:19:56] it's 4 in the afternoon on a weekday in california, and late night in europe [00:20:01] maybe people are taking naps [00:20:30] hrm [00:20:30] or doing work [00:20:32] nap sounds good [00:20:59] Here's a question then, is it possible to edit the html/php that surrounds this text? MediaWiki:Nav-login-createaccount [00:21:16] I want to split them into two seperate links. [00:22:51] navap, so do we. :) [00:23:12] I keep on forgetting. [00:24:38] brion: how's the weather down there? prolly better than here :) [00:27:12] heh [00:27:12] not half bad [00:27:12] 53F, overcast [00:27:20] I think there was a mailing list thread or something about it but I can't find it, should the CREDITS file be blanked with each new version? [00:28:17] navap: is that the link in the corner? i think you'd have to change the skin template [00:28:17] Pinky: only if we delete all code each version, surely :) [00:28:17] heh [00:28:33] brion: skin.php calls personal_urls, and I don't know how to edit the list. [00:28:35] *Mike_lifeguard offers a subversiontrout to Pinky [00:29:04] mm that'll have been built by a function in SkinTemplate somewheres [00:29:51] heh [00:30:25] 03pinky * r45590 10/trunk/phase3/CREDITS: Update version number to 1.15 in CREDITS [00:32:24] 03aaron * r45591 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.hooks.php: Fix for r45589: still patrol as before for reviewed edits [00:33:35] brion: it's 21F, windy and snowy here :( [00:34:40] *krimpet wonders if AaronSchulz is nearby - identical weather here too, down to the degree [00:34:44] remind me not to move to ohio :) [00:35:05] i'd take florida again over that ;) [00:35:07] yay for 60-70 degrees all week in San Diego :P [00:35:11] I'm always afraid all fall down [00:35:21] slipped a few times already [00:36:01] you gotta love that thin layer of ice over everything [00:36:28] s/all/i'll [00:36:32] when my fiancee was a young lady in chicago she slipped on the ice and broke her knee [00:36:41] spent a few months stuck inside healing [00:36:51] went outside finally and... slipped and broke the knee again [00:37:23] Ouch [00:39:20] so we like the warm weather :) [00:39:25] well [00:39:29] 53F at least is no ice ;) [00:39:46] 03(mod) Parser functions to determine protection status - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9947 (10cenarium.sysop) [00:40:59] brion: sfo is nice, but a bit often hazy [00:41:44] usually not foggy where i am, just cloudy [00:41:55] I found the code in SkinTemplate.php. What would be the best way to modify it? Should I just edit the file directly? [00:42:28] navap: you could hack it directly or you could create a custom skin which makes a derived class adn overrides the funtion / modifies the array [00:42:35] the latter might be more future-proof but is harder [00:44:23] I just got an idea, I'll just edit the text in MediaWiki:Nav-login-createaccount, down to the word 'Log in'. And in skin.php I'll hard code a second

with 'Create Account'. [00:44:26] *AaronSchulz watches all the BCS game hype [00:53:49] brion: nothing after 45489 won't be included in mw 1.14? [00:54:56] is that the branch point? [00:56:28] "Branching MediaWiki 1.14 from r45489" [00:56:33] so i suppose yes [01:10:11] You have got to be kidding me. [01:10:28] I try to make an array workalike by implementing ArrayAccess. [01:10:55] hi Tim [01:11:01] Except, oh yes, undocumented restriction. If you implement ArrayAccess, callers can't try to retrieve things from the array by reference. [01:11:10] If they do, it's a fatal error. [01:11:22] Which is impossible to work around in any way in PHP 5. [01:11:24] hi [01:11:40] Since if you try to return something by reference you get a fatal error for being incompatible with the interface. [01:11:51] Why is PHP such a joke language? [01:11:55] ARGH. [01:13:28] TimStarling: heyo [01:14:15] good morning, TimStarling [01:21:49] have you guys ever thought of creating [[Mediawiki:Nstab-mainpage]] which would give the mainpage tab custom text opposed to what is on [[Mediawiki:Nstab-main]] and reduces the need to use If/Ifeq statements which can use page load increases and thus performance issues on larger sites such as wikipedia? [01:22:06] see wikitech-l [01:23:19] TimStarling: whenever you'll have five seconds,i'd appreciate two details about your suggestion for advanced search link. thank you [01:24:06] a) vertical b) monobook [01:24:38] I'm afraid to click it as-is [01:24:45] I'll probably miss and hit the go button [01:26:24] oki,i'll add some. my settings (browser,font,os) show it pretty far enough from buttons,so thanks that you have spot this issue [01:26:55] If another search button is being added, that would be a good chance to remove one of the existing ones. [01:27:02] "Go" and "Search" have almost the same functionality. [01:27:09] "Search" could be removed. [01:27:20] Simetrical: not a button but link [01:27:25] Still. [01:28:03] i partially agree that search can be removed in favor of trasition to link called "advanced search" [01:28:25] brion, TimStarling: what would you think about that? [01:28:59] (advanced or power or however it's called in random langs) [01:29:12] I think it would make more sense than the current UI [01:29:19] cool [01:29:39] where you have to click search with a blank search box to get to the advanced search form [01:30:00] i'll remove it then as well as add the styles and it would be nice if we could squeeze it into 1.14 [01:30:10] but you should ask brion as well [01:30:22] no, it's not going to be in 1.14 [01:30:30] i'll prepare patch and wait with submitting to brion [01:30:47] *Danny_B goes hang himself :-/ [01:31:02] because he missed the 1.14 because of stupid copypaste mistake [01:31:16] i think the whole sidebar search box needs to be whacked and replaced with something that's not so horrid [01:32:54] i'd rather not rush into it though :) [01:32:54] you missed brion's code review, and he probably would have reverted you [01:32:54] and it was the end of the review that was the branch point for 1.14 [01:32:54] yup i it was correct it would get into 1 14 [01:32:54] you didn't miss anything by hours, you missed 1.14 by about a week, which is how long it would take to make brion happy with it [01:32:54] but it was not [01:32:54] oh did i? [01:32:54] i saw you branched from 45489 [01:32:54] nvm [01:32:57] i never knew how branching works [01:34:00] brion: i'd suggest to run Simetrical's+mine version for some time to see the feedback [01:34:34] then we'll see if we're going good way or not [01:34:40] (i believe we do) [01:50:09] *Danny_B is confused now a bit and doesn't know if he can or can not submit such patch [01:53:29] Danny_B, you can, it just won't be in the 1.14 release. [01:53:32] It will be in 1.15. [01:53:50] well yes i understood that point clearly ;-) [01:54:05] and gave up the hanging too ;-) [01:54:16] be interesting to try some a/b testing on this stuff [01:54:28] i'm inclined to leave it for the usability boys/girls once we get the team going :D [01:55:26] the current state is the middle way - it has both [01:58:04] I think I may have suggested getting rid of "search" and moving it to behind an "advanced search" link, maybe a couple of years ago [01:58:23] is there any competitive examination going to be for usability team? or how it will be formed? [01:58:27] on the basis that the only people who click "search" are the people who don't know what "go" does [01:58:47] Danny_B: http://blog.wikimedia.org/2009/01/09/now-hiring-for-wikipedia-usability-initiative/ [01:59:32] istr we originally added the 'go' button as an optimization because search was so slow and shitty :) [01:59:40] "Due to the nature of this grant, we are only able to consider local candidates at this time." Aww :p [01:59:41] TimStarling: i barely remember we had this talk because i had the idea for this link in my head for about two years and using it via javascript on my client's wikis [01:59:55] sorry krimpet, we're putting folks in a room and making them work :) [02:00:42] so i don't even need to read the blogpost as i see [02:01:05] brion, oh, I know - I was thinking of it in terms of "not being able to relocate there" [02:01:15] *krimpet needs to go on co-op this summer [02:01:15] :D [02:01:36] wee [02:02:36] *Danny_B was strongly interested in usability/accesibility area but is handicapped by living overseas [02:03:28] *krimpet is stuck in this one-horse town for college... maybe that horse needs some software designed? >_> [02:07:03] What do they mean when they say "If a group (bureaucrat in this case) can remove any group. Bureaucrat can't add any groups."? [02:07:30] I'm looking on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights_management [02:08:31] navap: that would set it so bureacrats can remove any right [02:08:40] but it doesn't give them rights to add any [02:09:09] Doesn't the Beureaucrat have all rights already? [02:09:29] using crat is a bad example [02:09:41] imagine it is a group with no rights except the ones given by that line [02:09:46] that is what they mean [02:09:51] So basically it's saying if you specify to add groups, it doesn't mean they also get remove group rights? [02:10:02] yes [02:10:12] and if you give remove rights, it doesn't mean you can add [02:10:18] I can't be the only one that finds that line hard to understand lol [02:10:31] yea, easiest way is to mess around with it :) [02:10:33] It makes perfect sense now, but the phrasing is a little off. [02:10:40] if you can come up with a clearer way to say it though [02:10:44] it *is* a wiki :) [02:11:00] hm right you are. [02:11:15] for some reason the only people who write documentation on mediawiki.org are non-native speakers [02:13:04] that's a bit shame :-/ [02:14:05] is there not enough native speakers or is it jsut the job nobody wants to do? [02:15:52] I don't know [02:16:00] Well I'm fixing that page up a little, in the third example there is a third line, "$wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['userrights'] = true;". What is it for? [02:16:06] Hi [02:16:27] navap: depends on the version [02:16:40] 1.11 [02:16:50] I'm trying to move a wiki. I followed the directions here http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Moving_a_wiki but now all I get is a blank page at the new location. [02:17:04] in 1.11 it would let sysops access the userrights interface, but only modify the groups in addgroups or removegroups [02:17:39] So if they didn't have access to that interface, how would they do it? [02:18:02] they couldn't [02:18:08] but that changes in 1.12 [02:18:12] it is a mess :) [02:18:15] Oh boy [02:18:15] did 1.11 even have $wgAddGroups? [02:20:03] i think it's newer... [02:20:40] brion: quick question... [02:20:57] I want to convert all the bundled text file documentation like README and RELEASE-NOTES to wikitext [02:21:23] the new installer can parse it and convert to HTML for the user, easily enough [02:21:35] and it should still be readable in a text editor [02:21:36] any objection? [02:22:07] Prodego: So I should add the $wgGroupPermisssions line to the other two examples as well to be accurate? [02:22:22] navap: the examples should be correct as they are [02:22:26] don't change them :) [02:22:38] 1.12 needs it to be false, 1.11 needs it to be true [02:22:52] TimStarling: sounds good [02:23:07] I thought you said you can't do anything if you don't have the userrights interface? [02:23:21] So what would be the point in giving someone add or remove group rights if they don't also have the interface. [02:24:58] navap: you can't, in MW 1.11 [02:24:58] in MW 1.12 it works the other way around [02:24:58] for maximum confusion [02:24:58] in 1.12 if you have access to the interface, you have total access [02:25:00] Yes, but I'm editing the examples for 1.11 [02:25:01] As far as I know, $wgGroupPermissions['foo']['userrights'] = true; has always given 'foo' the right to add and remove all usergroups. [02:25:05] And still does. [02:25:13] Was that really not true at some point? [02:25:28] Simetrical: no that is correct [02:25:35] So then what are you saying? [02:25:44] in 1.11 if the you have userrights [02:25:55] AND addgroups and removegroups are NOT defined [02:25:58] you get full access [02:26:16] if they are are defined AND you have have userrights, you don't get full access [02:26:22] Oh, right. [02:26:31] The original one was my scheme, and Werdna changed the semantics in a later release. [02:26:32] Ugh. [02:26:35] in 1.12, $wgGroupPermissions['foo']['userrights'] = true; ALWAYS is full access [02:26:39] Or maybe it was me. [02:26:41] I can't remember. [02:26:44] it is a mess [02:27:01] it was a mess, you mean? [02:27:03] It was because of the check for SpecialPage access being restricted to one right. [02:27:14] I had to change that so it was overridable by particular pages. [02:27:37] Why did we change the meaning of a config variable once it had already been released . . . ? [02:27:38] TimStarling: I don't even know how it works in 1.13 [02:28:00] 1.12 seems to be the same as 1.11, judging by DefaultSettings. [02:28:02] Simetrical: it created quite a security issue [02:28:04] http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/branches/REL1_12/phase3/includes/DefaultSettings.php?view=markup [02:28:14] if it works the way that page says [02:28:22] Or maybe the comment is just wrong? [02:28:27] that could be [02:28:31] I think I remember it changing tho [02:28:35] Yeah, nobody ever updated the comment. [02:29:14] it could be only one of the svn versions of 1.11 was that way [02:29:29] Let's see. [02:30:31] userCanExecute() was only added in 1.12. [02:30:33] So you're right. [02:30:37] http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/branches/REL1_11/phase3/includes/SpecialUserrights.php?revision=25546&view=markup [02:30:41] http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/branches/REL1_12/phase3/includes/SpecialUserrights.php?view=markup [02:30:47] Oh well. [02:30:48] :) [02:30:50] Done now. [02:31:42] It's noted in the RELEASE-NOTES, but not in a "OMG READ THIS OR YOUR WIKI WILL BECOME INSECURE" way. http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/branches/REL1_12/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES?view=markup [02:31:45] *Simetrical goes to bed [02:32:18] 04(REOPENED) Export/Import break HTML-style tags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16554 +comment (10innocentkiller) [02:35:35] hi, I have a slightly older version of mediawiki. (I'm upgrading now/soon) all the pages are protected currently, but the discussion page is filled with spam. the wiki is inaccessible and gives the error "wiki_objectcache is full.." the problem is that the wiki_text table is full of revisions containing mostly spam. is there a good way to remove this spam? [02:36:41] I assume it's safe to DELETE all rows in the cache table, but there still isn't enough free space for it to function properly and I need to backup the DB before upgrading [02:37:22] deleting things out of the wikiDB itself isn't recommended [02:37:26] tends to break things [02:37:45] objectcache is an exception [02:38:07] you can truncate it without any problems [02:38:09] is that actually part of the DB itself? [02:38:11] <^demon|away> I truncate my objectcache all the time, very helpful when you've got stuck items in the cache :) [02:38:24] Prodego: yes [02:38:30] hmm well I lose then [02:38:42] that was what I was trying to differentiate from :) [02:38:53] as for the spam: tables shouldn't really get full [02:39:00] is this a shared web host? [02:39:12] what version of mysql? [02:39:13] I'm limited to 1GB space [02:39:29] right, so it's probably a quota for the whole database [02:40:14] MySQL 3.23.49 unfortunately.. which now that I think about it, I don't think it is compatible with the latest mediawiki.. [02:41:50] # [02:41:50] # Show MySQL runtime information [02:41:50] # Show MySQL system variables Documentation [02:41:50] sorry [02:41:50] mmm, does /maintenance/deleteArchivedRevisions.php actually save much space? [02:41:50] the wiki_text table takes up about 95% of the database and most of that is 2MB rows with spam [02:41:50] what version of mediawiki? [02:43:46] 1.5.8 [02:44:10] I think O_O is the appropriate term here [02:44:40] o_O [02:44:44] that's a Virusboy trademark tim [02:45:03] well, congratulations for deciding to upgrade [02:45:39] the person before me never bothered with upgrading because it was working.. [02:45:43] wait [02:45:49] did someone say 'no u' [02:45:53] or a variant thereof? [02:46:05] fifoxez: you're missing out on a LOT of features :) [02:47:08] one of my problems I'm seeing is that the latest version of mediawiki doesn't support MySQL 3 [02:47:25] nothing supports MySQL 3 anymore [02:47:26] mySQL 3 O_O [02:47:39] I may be able to migrate this DB to a new server, but I'll have to ask about that [02:48:12] If 1.13.3 is the latest version, why are there example in the manual for 1.4 and 1.5? [02:48:36] wow.. [02:48:47] I'm confusing myself now. [02:48:57] O_O [02:49:15] there he is [02:49:15] O_O© pliz [02:49:16] any kinks to pages for editing the php for media wiki [02:49:20] fifoxez: there are a number of scripts to delete old revisions in 1.5, but from my review of them right now, they seem to be buggy and won't free any space [02:49:21] kinda lost [02:49:27] I got the blank page to finally go away (I had to change the $wgScriptExtension to .php5). But now I've hit another snag. I can log into the wiki but as soon as I go to another page I'm logged back out. Any ideas? [02:49:40] <^demon> djds4rce: What do you mean "editing the PHP?" What are you trying to do? [02:50:24] Demon:want to edit the page contents i mean all the links and all in the index page [02:50:31] fifoxez: how many spam pages are there, roughly? [02:51:30] <^demon> djds4rce: I'm not sure I follow. To edit page contents you click the "Edit" button at the top of the page. Do you mean customize the interface text (labels and such)? [02:51:39] ya [02:52:15] not the page contetns but the menus and all want to add new things and remove old 1ns [02:52:32] <^demon> Ah. Check out "Special:Allmessages" on your wiki. When you find the text you want to change (Ctrl+F is your best friend here), edit the particular "MediaWiki:Something" in question. [02:54:05] <^demon> Check out http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ#How_do_I_change_the_interface_text.3F for some more information. [02:54:07] TimStarling: spam pages are always in a discussion page and many of them have a length(old_text) > 1000000 [02:54:25] is it practical to delete them individually or is there too many? [02:54:30] thank u :) [02:54:35] <^demon> no problem. [02:55:35] TimStarling: if I had to guess, about 2000. my query is taking too long [02:56:54] if I were you, I'd delete them directly in the database [02:57:02] page, revision and text rows [02:59:17] Does anyone know why I wouldn't be able to stay logged into my wiki? [02:59:59] 03(mod) Create is_ff3 in wikibits.js - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16125 +comment (10innocentkiller) [03:00:01] TimStarling: okay, I can delete enough rows to free up some space, then I will be able to backup and upgrade [03:00:25] err demon i guess i din figure out wht i need all want to do is remove those menus navigation all tht pls help and have a look at the page http://daya310.freehostia.com/mediawiki-1.9.0/index.php?title=Main_Page [03:00:55] Special:RecentChanges on wuu.wikipedia redirects to Special:RecentChangeLinked. Could you fix this problem? [03:00:57] fifoxez: you'll just have to be very careful not to delete useful content [03:02:45] <^demon> !sidebar | djds4rce [03:02:45] --mwbot-- djds4rce: To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see . [03:03:09] ya thnx [03:04:09] <^demon> No problem. [03:04:25] <^demon> Why on earth does that manual page advocate hacking Monobook.php? [03:04:30] <^demon> :-\ [03:05:20] hacking=creating some thing new ;) [03:06:10] <^demon> hacking = more of a mess come upgrade time. [03:06:32] ^demon: maybe the person who wrote it is a frustrated developer with no svn access looking for an outlet [03:06:55] <^demon> Could be. [03:12:00] 03(NEW) Special:RecentChanges on wuu. wikipedia redirects to Special:RecentChangedLinked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16944 04CRIT; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (kwj2772) [03:12:32] oh not that again [03:12:35] TimStarling: ^^^^ [03:14:24] Somebody should fix wikibugs. [03:17:59] hahaha [03:18:18] does the changhes show up later on if i don purge the dbase??? [03:18:41] the changes i made has not yet been seen [03:23:54] Ug. I can't find a solution. Anyone know why I'm unable to stay logged into my wiki? [03:24:34] for hw long can u stay max??? [03:25:19] ? [03:25:30] I log in. It says log in successful. I navigate to a page and it tells me I need to log in. [03:25:50] Staying logged in requires accepting cookies. [03:25:56] Try a different browser? [03:26:06] Or, alternately, sometimes pages don't re-cache correctly. [03:26:13] So it appears that you're logged out, when you're really not. [03:26:17] So try editing a page. [03:26:22] I've tried different browsers and different computers. [03:26:46] Have you tried editing? [03:27:28] Editing is turned off for people who aren't logged in. [03:27:58] I just moved the wiki to a new server. [03:28:44] must be a wiki bug also cant say [03:28:54] y not try re instaling wiki [03:30:44] I don't want to lose my content. [03:32:26] errr [03:32:31] link to wiki pls [03:32:47] http://www.thealexandrian.net/ptolus-wiki/index.php5?title=Main_Page [03:43:15] *sigh* I'll mess with it more in the morning. G'night everyone and thanks for looking at my problem. [03:47:32] i know theres a few people have come in here about this.... [03:49:10] 03(mod) Recent change unavailable, and other special pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16940 +comment (10mrzmanwiki) [03:49:12] 14(DUP) Special:RecentChanges on wuu.wikipedia redirects to Special: RecentChangedLinked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16944 +comment (10mrzmanwiki) [03:52:17] where is the mono book.php file found??? [03:52:31] err found it [03:53:44] 03tstarling * r45592 10/trunk/phase3/includes/db/ (Database.php DatabaseSqlite.php): [03:53:44] * In selectField(), use reset($row) instead of $row[0] for compatibility with SQLite [03:53:44] * Non-broken (no-op) implementation of DatabaseSqlite::deadlockLoop(). Fixes bug 16123: total breakage of Special:Import on SQLite. [04:23:25] 03(FIXED) Importing fails when using SQLite - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16123 +comment (10tstarling) [04:24:10] TimStarling: regarding the HISTORY fil [04:24:12] file [04:24:25] "* Added $wgAllowUserSkin to let the wiki's owner disable user selectable skins on the wiki. If it's set to true, then the skin used will *always* be $wgDefaultSkin." [04:24:28] isn't that backwards [04:25:05] I didn't write it [04:25:41] well you put it in there, so I just figured I would ask you [04:29:04] 03(NEW) Namespace corrections at Sanskrit language wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16945 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Language setup; (mahitgar) [04:34:25] TimStarling: is charlie on the MW svn cmelbye? do you know? [04:34:31] (he wrote that originally) [04:35:48] <|X|> I believe so [04:36:06] |X|: charlie on IRC then? [04:36:12] <|X|> Yes [04:36:25] <|X|> No, chuck [04:36:45] I'll check [04:36:58] <|X|> [23:35] * [chuck] (n=charlie@yourwiki/staff/charlie): Charles Melbye [04:37:08] ok :) [04:43:41] 03(mod) UserManagement: Anonymous Account not create-/delete-/ edit able , but it is visbile in user list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16487 +comment (10tstarling) [04:43:41] 03(mod) PostgreSQL/pgsql support (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384 (10tstarling) [04:44:28] 03charlie * r45593 10/trunk/phase3/ (HISTORY RELEASE-NOTES): [04:44:28] Updated the incorrect wording in HISTORY (Thanks, Prodego), and fixed a few [04:44:28] typos in RELEASE-NOTES. [04:54:27] 03(mod) Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553 (10Wiki.Melancholie) [05:02:32] 03(mod) Windows PHP 5.2. 6 precompiled binaries and Postgresql numeric version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16937 +comment (10tstarling) [05:15:58] hello ,how to get all the external links in a wiki [05:17:23] 03(mod) Wikitext in image captions displayed as plaintext - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16768 major->minor; high->normal; +comment (10tstarling) [05:20:35] 03(mod) DifferenceEngine grinds on pathological case - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14867 major->normal; +comment (10tstarling) [05:23:10] 03(mod) After Installation MySQL was blocked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12070 (10tstarling) [05:34:02] 03(mod) Import strips angle brackets on some installations - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16554 04CRIT->normal; summary; +comment (10tstarling) [05:34:59] (SemanticMediaWiki) hmmm, any idea why, if I have an {{#ask}} that uses + in its initial params that the More Results link breaks? and/or how to fix it? it works on semantic-mediawiki.org of course (wiki converting + to _ in link, but using the search form manually works) [05:37:35] 03(mod) Invalid UTF-8 in percent-encoded links cause page rendering error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11143 04CRIT->minor; highest->normal; +comment (10tstarling) [05:39:12] 03(mod) Deleting of pages with high number of revisions makes server cry - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11402 04CRIT->normal; high->normal (10tstarling) [05:41:46] I thought everybody just ignored those settings. [05:43:28] only if they find setting up too upsetting in the setting they are up to [05:49:42] hello [05:52:55] Hello. [05:55:04] I'm reviewing major and higher bugs for any that are release blockers [05:55:38] TimStarling: If you're around, some clarification of the "official" position on character-counting parser functions on the mailing list would be nice. [05:55:44] That written, of course, before you said that :/ [05:58:07] character counting that he wants, it's a substring function [05:58:40] Parse error. [05:59:06] $s = "it's not" . $s; [06:00:23] oh, right. [06:00:25] the "it's not" must have been eaten by a cosmic ray [06:02:30] Yeah, I was wondering how they'd manage to do what they're after with just a character counter [06:02:46] but maybe there's some awful hack you can do. [06:03:16] What *is* the general position on StringFunctions. [06:04:54] 'WONTFIX' -> 'REOPEN' -> 'WONTFIX' -> 'REOPEN' -> 'WONTFIX' -> 'REOPEN' -> 'WONTFIX' -> 'REOPEN' -> 'WONTFIX' -> 'REOPEN' -> 'WONTFIX' -> 'REOPEN' -> 'WONTFIX' -> 'REOPEN' -> 'LATER' [06:04:54] my position is that it would be the end of the world as we know it [06:04:54] 03(mod) Recent change unavailable, and other special pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16940 +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie) [06:04:54] When that's not really true. [06:04:54] I can't tell if you're joking or not - I suspect not. [06:04:54] Meanwhile, we don't get the functionality. [06:04:54] like templates [06:04:54] Which sucks. [06:04:59] A lot of templates would become simpler. [06:05:08] It brings a massive amount of power to templates -- power which was never intended for a *markup* language. [06:05:09] the question is what will the post-StringFunctions world be like? [06:05:17] Marybelle: but that would be offset by all the evil new templates people come up with [06:05:37] yksinaisyyteni: Sure. [06:05:45] I think we should embed lua [06:05:48] but brion doesn't like it [06:05:59] What does Brion think of StringFunctions? [06:06:07] But there are three options: do nothing, create something like Lua, or implement something like StringFunctions. [06:06:14] And we've been stuck with the first option for years. [06:06:16] Which sucks. [06:06:20] he keeps finding technical reasons to dismiss it [06:06:22] werdnum: you know brion. "it sucks and it's full of evil :) :) :)" [06:06:24] No matter how evil the templates are or would be. [06:06:29] 'stuck with' for some is 'perfectly content with' [06:06:47] Splarka: Shall I show you my 500-line #switch? [06:06:54] Because page titles are unparseable? [06:06:57] TLDNR [06:07:12] sure they are, as #titleparts [06:07:19] adopt a slash-delimited naming system [06:07:29] clarification: brion keeps finding technical reasons to dismiss StringFunctions [06:07:31] bwagaga [06:07:44] *Marybelle stabs Splarka. [06:07:49] Tim: it wouldn't be so bad, I had fun learning mIRC code [06:07:50] and wants the whole lua language to be ported to PHP [06:07:57] werdnum: They've been merged into core several times. [06:08:06] Each time they're reverted for technical reasons, as Tim said. [06:08:09]