[00:52:54] *Marybelle 	checks the Roan trap.
[00:53:04] <werdnum>	morning/afternoon/evening TimStarling 
[00:53:10] <TimStarling>	hi
[00:56:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Import strips angle brackets on some installations - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16554  (10tstarling)
[00:56:57] <werdnum>	TimStarling: how did the meetup go?
[00:57:19] <TimStarling>	fine, have you seen the mailing list thread about it?
[00:57:41] *werdnum 	looks
[01:00:19] <werdnum>	the AGM minutes?
[01:01:47] <TimStarling>	and the video thread
[01:02:53] <werdnum>	Vimeo sounds like a website with intense replays of vim tricks.
[01:04:28] <werdnum>	Who's the person speaking?
[01:05:42] <TimStarling>	I haven't watched it yet
[01:06:02] <TimStarling>	you mean speaking in melbourne?
[01:06:29] <werdnum>	Well, the person who was saying "The winner is X"
[01:08:46] <TimStarling>	probably Stephen in Melbourne, he was chair
[01:09:19] <|X|>	I win!
[01:09:27] <werdnum>	oic.
[01:09:37] <werdnum>	It looks like an extremely formal meeting.
[01:18:18] <sh4man>	how do I change the page links from /wiki/index.php?title=PageName to /wiki/PageName ??
[01:18:41] <MrZ-man|busy>	!shorturl
[01:18:41] --mwbot--	To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL>. There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem
[01:19:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) respect the user's date formatting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9620  (10info)
[01:21:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Import strips angle brackets on some installations - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16554  (10tstarling)
[01:22:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) you can no longer specify date format using the "units" technique - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11853  (10info)
[01:24:54] <p858snake>	werdnum: thats not everyone, they were skyped up in multipul locations (i'm not sure it that shows it as i havn't watched it yet)
[01:25:03] <werdnum>	I know.
[01:28:05] <m5m>	Is this a general mediawiki channel; ie is it safe to ask admin help questions here?
[01:28:45] <werdnum>	sure
[01:29:48] <m5m>	I'm the admin of my school's wiki (elementary school) I accidentally left registration open and a spammer registered.  I can't figure out how to gain access to basic admin tools to remove or block them.  
[01:30:37] <m5m>	the manual speaks of a admin sidebar; this isn't viewable in my setup; I'm guessing there's a step I've missed somewhere, and my main account (admin) doesn't have proper priviledges, perhaps?
[01:30:55] <Mike_lifeguard>	m5m: Use Special:Block to block the user.
[01:31:31] <p858snake>	theres no admin sidebar, on the sidebar you need to find "Special Pages" and it lists everything you need in there
[01:32:17] <m5m>	found it now; thanks for your help!
[01:49:31] <sh4man>	okay second question now that I have short URLs working. Can I make sub URLs or should I use the : separator?
[01:49:46] <Mike_lifeguard>	what is a "sub url"?
[01:49:49] <sh4man>	as in /wiki/Clients/Client1
[01:50:03] <sh4man>	instead of /wiki/ClientClient1 or /wiki/Client:Client1
[01:50:12] <Mike_lifeguard>	you can use slashes in page titles
[01:50:30] <Mike_lifeguard>	whether or not it's a subpage is defined in localsettings
[01:50:44] <sh4man>	okay...finally, is there a macro for a navigation bar?
[01:50:59] <sh4man>	like trac {TitleIndex}
[01:51:31] <sh4man>	then I'm done w/ questions :)
[02:02:20] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Suggestion: Floating Chat toolbar(like facebook) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16982 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (tim987)
[02:04:40] <p858snake>	eww nooo @ bug #16982 (or the one that wikibugs just spewed out >.>)
[02:10:52] <Mike_lifeguard>	heh
[02:10:59] <Mike_lifeguard>	anything "like facebook" is likely to be a bad idea
[02:11:04] <Mike_lifeguard>	well... most things
[02:11:18] <werdnum>	Facebook does a lot of things right.
[02:11:48] <|X|>	Like Gurch's userpage?
[02:12:40] <p858snake>	trust me a chatbar that shows how is on the article = bad
[02:13:04] <werdnum>	sure, but it could be done opt-in.
[02:13:51] <p858snake>	and theres a problem with the chat part since theres no irc-clients built into mediawiki >.>
[02:15:00] <werdnum>	Real-time chat has a lot of advantages over the clumsy talk-page-based system we use now.
[02:15:53] <Marybelle>	Extensions.
[02:16:03] <werdnum>	Mmm
[02:16:56] <p858snake>	and must web based irc clients look ugly as well
[02:17:28] <werdnum>	yeah, facebook's chat is pretty nice.
[02:18:00] <p858snake>	i've only used it once to talk to someone across the room during an exam
[02:18:16] <werdnum>	o_O
[02:18:29] <p858snake>	it was a open book exam
[02:18:35] <Marybelle>	Heh.
[02:18:57] <werdnum>	As opposed to an open facebook exam.
[02:19:28] <p858snake>	i was asking what the page numbers were
[02:19:47] <Marybelle>	I support cheating.
[02:19:48] <p858snake>	and the teacher did say the open book inculded web searches
[02:20:05] <p858snake>	sicne the school was too cheap to buy real text books
[02:20:26] *werdnum 	recalls the photo from his lolcats book, "Facebook, ur doin it wrong"
[02:20:32] <werdnum>	with a photo of a cat with its head stuck in a book.
[03:14:23] <chuck>	Is there some form of "svn blame" but in MediaWiki?
[03:14:26] <chuck>	that would be awesome
[03:15:29] <Mike_lifeguard>	No, but there is an external tool, IIRC
[03:15:45] <Mike_lifeguard>	it's probably linked from the history view on enwiki
[03:30:25] <p858snake>	Yay! the bugzilla weekly emails are working again
[03:37:01] <chuck>	is it possible to access the database from the configuration file? *waits to be flamed*
[03:38:17] <Marybelle>	Hmm?
[03:38:31] <chuck>	anyone know?
[03:54:56] <Marybelle>	chuck: Not really sure what you're asking.
[03:58:07] <chuck>	Marybelle: I need to make database queries from the configuration file
[03:58:21] <Marybelle>	Ewww.
[03:59:10] <Marybelle>	What are you trying to accomplish?
[03:59:37] <chuck>	Marybelle: It's a wiki farm, and we have to get information on the wikis somehow
[04:03:27] <chuck>	Marybelle: any ideas on the best way to do that? :P
[04:03:39] <|X|>	chuck, is this YourWiki?
[04:03:54] <chuck>	|X|: yes
[04:05:21] <p858snake>	chuck: looked at:  ?
[04:05:21] <p858snake>	!man Wiki_Family | chuck
[04:05:21] --mwbot--	chuck: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_Family
[04:05:37] <chuck>	p858snake: that's not my problem
[04:05:53] <chuck>	i *know* how to do mediawiki farming, i need a way to get information on the wikis from the config file
[04:07:54] <GregorR>	Is it possible to have a template include a certain portion only if a certain parameter is set?
[04:08:33] <MrZ-man>	with ParserFunctions yes
[04:08:36] <MrZ-man>	!e ParserFunctions
[04:08:36] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserFunctions
[04:08:47] <Prodego>	chuck: I automated wiki creation done
[04:08:51] <Prodego>	I have seen*
[04:08:54] <Prodego>	so it is possib
[04:08:56] <Prodego>	e
[04:09:10] <MrZ-man>	{{#if:{{param|}} | show if true | }}
[04:09:40] <chuck>	Prodego: well, currently we're using mysql_connect, mysql_query, etc to grab wiki data, which is kind of ugly
[04:09:49] <chuck>	and, it also means we're hitting the same database server for every request
[04:10:08] <GregorR>	MrZ-man: Thanks :)
[05:11:02] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) wikibits.js - flippable tables - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16983 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (mhorvath2161)
[05:24:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Transwiki import does not import some times. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16981  normal->major; +comment (10scream)
[05:25:04] <auzigog>	what version was api.php added?
[05:27:43] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) How to get data from http://www.wiktionary.org/ througn api? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16984 15enhancement; normal; Wiktionary tools: General; (24xinhui)
[05:34:08] <Splarka>	auzigog: somewhere around http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=16442 is when it started
[05:35:24] *Charitwo 	gives Splarka a resourceful roger award
[05:35:24] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) it.wikiversity - Impossible import pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12231  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[05:35:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Import error: "Import failed: Could not open import file" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15000  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[05:35:28] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Failing importe all history with [[Special:Import]] on French Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13807  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[05:35:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Import error: "Import failed: Could not open import file" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15000  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[05:35:34] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Transwiki import does not import some times. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16981  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[05:35:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Import error: "Import failed: Could not open import file" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15000  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[05:36:00] *Splarka 	bites Charitwo
[05:36:18] <Splarka>	auzigog: looks like it was before the 1.8 branch but after the 1.7
[05:36:30] <Charitwo>	rar?
[05:42:33] <auzigog>	Splarka: thanks.
[06:05:47] <tty2>	can someone help, i get the following error when i try to upload an image (and then view a smaller size of it): http://rafb.net/p/TWnYir73.html I tried running the command that is segfaulting directly as the apache user just to see if it was the convert command itself or not, and it didnt segfault. i run another older versionof media wiki on the same box and it doesnt segfault
[06:06:11] <Charitwo>	tty2: that pastey link is broken
[06:07:16] <tty2>	Charitwo: well ive been asking for help on this same thing for 3 days now, it probably expired, lol, ill repost
[06:08:49] <tty2>	Charitwo: http://rafb.net/p/5kE3Xh61.html
[06:09:14] <Charitwo>	headache now
[06:10:08] <FastLizard4>	Is it possible to automatically substitute in a template on images where the upload selected "None selected" in the licensing box?
[06:11:48] <tty2>	Charitwo: why a headache?
[06:12:24] <Charitwo>	i dunno but i have no idea what's going on with that
[06:13:59] <p858snake>	is it just that image or otheres of the same extenstion?
[06:14:29] <FastLizard4>	Just that image.
[06:14:45] <p858snake>	broken image maybe?
[06:14:59] <tty2>	Charitwo: no one has even tried to help yet, so im guessing most people are just as lost
[06:15:16] <tty2>	p858snake: the same image works fine on another mediawiki installation on the same box
[06:15:24] <tty2>	so its gotta be something 1.13 is doing different
[06:18:16] *FastLizard4 	wonders if anyone saw his question
[06:22:28] <FastLizard4>	p858snake: perhaps you know the answer to my question?
[06:22:48] <p858snake>	i know nothing!
[06:23:16] <p858snake>	tty2: can you link us the imge, it would be strange its just happening with that one
[06:25:15] <tty2>	p858snake: i sure can
[06:26:01] <tty2>	p858snake: http://www.cubicpath.com/wiki/index.php/User:Hoath the sagetarius symbol on this page is the working resize (the original uploaded is bigger)
[06:26:31] <tty2>	p858snake: as you can see from this page (running on the same server just different install/version) it isnt working: http://wiki.syncleus.com/index.php/User:Freemo
[06:27:34] <tty2>	p858snake: and as you can also see the image just above it (another gif it tried to resize) it showed the same symptoms
[06:38:29] <tty2>	p858snake: anything?
[06:39:02] <p858snake>	try resaving as a png >.> or svg would be even better
[06:39:49] <tty2>	p858snake: well im fairly certain it would work then cause other formats like jpeg worked just fine... but that doesnt solve the problem :)
[06:43:32] <tty2>	p858snake: and even odder, if i run that exact command that seg faulted directly it runs just fine
[06:44:08] <werdnum>	tty2: as the web server user?
[06:44:24] <tty2>	werdnum: i believe so, let me check again though to make sure
[06:45:26] <tty2>	werdnum: yup works fine as the apache user
[06:45:33] <tty2>	so its clearly something mediawiki 1.13 is doing wrong
[06:49:23] <tty2>	is there some way i can use something other than image magick to resize it?
[06:54:52] <p858snake>	i believe you can use GD or whatever as well
[06:55:47] <tty2>	alright, i just changed it over to some other resizing mechanism.. no idea which one... works now. but you guys really gotta fix that
[06:55:56] <tty2>	thats one nasty bug to have lingering around your 1.13 release
[06:56:38] <p858snake>	!man Image_Administration | tty2
[06:56:38] --mwbot--	tty2: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Image_Administration
[06:56:54] <p858snake>	i doubt its a bug with mediawiki, no one else has complained about it
[06:57:43] <tty2>	p858snake: the circumstances suggest otherwise.. same box and older version of mediawiki and process the same image just fine. the LocalSettings on both versions are almost identicle as well. and when i run the command that seg faults by hand it doesnt seg fault.
[06:58:02] <tty2>	So over all, it seems fairly convincing, atleast to me, that it is a problem with the newer version of media wiki
[06:58:03] <yksinaisyyteni>	it's very unlikely that mediawiki could make imagemagick segfault
[06:58:09] <yksinaisyyteni>	and even if it could, that would be a bug in imagemagick, not mediawiki
[06:58:25] <tty2>	yksinaisyyteni: its technically ulimit4.sh that is seg faulting
[06:58:29] <yksinaisyyteni>	i wonder if it could be caused by too small stack size... is ulimit.sh used by default?
[06:58:40] <p858snake>	all mediawiki does is upload the image and then pass the filename and parameteres onto the processor
[06:58:54] <tty2>	yksinaisyyteni: not sure about ulimit.sh but this seg fault is line 4 of ulimit4.sh
[06:59:08] <yksinaisyyteni>	tty2: that means the command on line 4, which is probably 'convert', i.e. imagemagick
[06:59:40] <tty2>	yksinaisyyteni: yes its the convert command. but like i said, if i runt he exact same command manually as the apache user it wont seg fault and works just fine
[06:59:57] <yksinaisyyteni>	did you run convert or ulimit4.sh?
[07:00:19] <tty2>	yksinaisyyteni: convert, but i ran it with the same parameters as ulimit4.sh invokes it with ... 
[07:01:01] <yksinaisyyteni>	tty2: it's quite possible the problem is caused by imagemagick running out of stack or heap space
[07:01:09] <werdnum>	You should run ulimit4.sh, not convert
[07:01:12] <yksinaisyyteni>	which is limited by the prior 'ulimit' command in the script
[07:01:22] <yksinaisyyteni>	i'm not sure where those variables come from, though
[07:01:24] <tty2>	werdnum: that requires 4 parameters, and i dont know what those 4 are
[07:01:43] <tty2>	yksinaisyyteni: maybe i can comment out the ulimit command all together?
[07:01:56] <yksinaisyyteni>	you could, but be aware that if you do, imagemagick could use all your memory
[07:01:58] <tty2>	*comment
[07:02:08] <werdnum>	om nomnom
[07:02:19] <yksinaisyyteni>	ah
[07:02:25] <yksinaisyyteni>	tty2: try setting $wgMaxShellTime
[07:02:28] <yksinaisyyteni>	or
[07:02:30] <yksinaisyyteni>	$wgMaxShellMemory
[07:02:42] <tty2>	yksinaisyyteni: any idea for appropriate values?
[07:02:43] <yksinaisyyteni>	look at DefaultSettings.php for the default values
[07:02:47] <tty2>	kk
[07:03:00] <yksinaisyyteni>	tty2: try 10x the current value
[07:03:06] <tty2>	yksinaisyyteni: ulimit also sets a file size limit btw
[07:03:14] <yksinaisyyteni>	that's $wgMaxShellFileSize
[07:04:24] <yksinaisyyteni>	you could also just comment it out initially to see if that's the problem, and fiddle with the values if that fixes it
[07:05:22] <tty2>	yksinaisyyteni: sounds like a plan!
[07:08:38] <tty2>	yksinaisyyteni: that was it, it was the ulimit call
[07:08:47] <tty2>	yksinaisyyteni: told ya it was mediawiki's fault :)
[07:09:01] <yksinaisyyteni>	nope, user error
[07:09:09] <yksinaisyyteni>	mediawiki has no bugs
[07:09:13] <tty2>	yksinaisyyteni: lol
[07:09:37] <tty2>	yksinaisyyteni: those default values should be high enough to not bring about this error though, and if their not it should produce an error that is more informative than a segfault
[07:10:12] <p858snake>	they don't bring this error >.> you are the only one with the issue
[07:10:56] <werdnum>	probably something to do with the image
[07:11:32] <tty2>	p858snake: jsut because a bug is rare doesnt make it any less of a bug :)
[07:12:29] <tty2>	yksinaisyyteni: i cant find $wgMaxShellTime anywhere int he default setting
[07:13:26] <yksinaisyyteni>	tty2: grep MaxShell include/DefaultSettings.php?  i see it here
[07:13:47] <Krimpet>	I'm considering committing a small extension to wiki syntax to make writing readable templates easier... wondering what people think :)
[07:13:55] <tty2>	yksinaisyyteni: there are max shell varibles (memory and file size) but not time
[07:13:58] <p858snake>	werdnum: http://www.cubicpath.com/wiki/images/c/c2/Sagittarius.gif is the said image
[07:14:09] <p858snake>	and it uploaded fine on my local install
[07:14:19] <Krimpet>	__\ would eat up everything up to the next non-whitespace/newline character
[07:14:26] <Krimpet>	(like 'dnl' in m4)
[07:14:37] <yksinaisyyteni>	tty2: what version are you using?
[07:14:38] <Marybelle>	Some sort of public wiki with it installed would be nice. :-)
[07:14:47] <Marybelle>	To see a demo.
[07:14:58] <tty2>	yksinaisyyteni: 1.13
[07:15:10] <tty2>	yksinaisyyteni: what value does your default set for $wgMaxShellTime
[07:15:11] <Krimpet>	That would make it easier to format complicated templates and such where whitespace is significant.
[07:15:20] <tty2>	im thinking this is the problem, that $wgMaxShellTime wasnt set at all
[07:15:26] <Krimpet>	Thoughts?
[07:15:37] <p858snake>	Marybelle: don't you have access to the testing/bug wiki?
[07:15:52] <Marybelle>	Krimpet: Got a demo? 
[07:15:54] <Marybelle>	p858snake: Not to install extensions. ;-)
[07:16:10] <Krimpet>	Marybelle, not much to demonstrate really
[07:16:16] <Krimpet>	It's a one line change
[07:16:23] <tty2>	p858snake: just cause it worked fine on your install though doesnt mean it isnt a mediawiki bug.. just means its hard to get it to trigger the bug :)
[07:16:23] <p858snake>	oh i thought we were still discussing the image issues still >.>
[07:16:27] <yksinaisyyteni>	tty2: in 1.13 it was hardcoded to init_get('max_execution_time')
[07:16:37] <p858snake>	tty2: the fact that i'm using windows is a bug tbh
[07:16:44] <werdnum>	Krimpet: zomg uppercase.
[07:16:47] <tty2>	p858snake: lol yes it is
[07:16:48] <Marybelle>	Krimpet: Honestly, I just don't understand what you're talking about.
[07:16:49] <p858snake>	with a very low ammount of ram
[07:16:55] <Marybelle>	So I figured a visual might help.
[07:16:56] <Krimpet>	Marybelle, one sec.
[07:16:57] <tty2>	yksinaisyyteni: ok, so how do i change the value in 1.13 ?
[07:17:05] <yksinaisyyteni>	you can't
[07:17:52] <Krimpet>	What was that monstrous if template we had on enwiki?
[07:17:54] <tty2>	yksinaisyyteni: well now im back to not knowing how to fix the problem.. the defaults for the file size and memory size is 100 megs, so that should already be plenty high, my only guess is that its the shell execution time that kills it (since commenting out ulimit does fix the problem)
[07:18:16] <Krimpet>	oh, qif
[07:18:17] <Marybelle>	Krimpet: Template:Infobox ? Template:Infobox_Election ?
[07:18:21] <Marybelle>	Haha. qif.
[07:20:10] <Krimpet>	Marybelle, http://pastebin.com/fa046f24
[07:20:34] <Krimpet>	That's an extreme example, but it gives the gist
[07:21:26] <Marybelle>	Hmm. Are thinking about an actual extension or part of core?
[07:21:30] <Krimpet>	Core.
[07:21:35] <Marybelle>	I would ping TimStarling.
[07:21:40] <werdnum>	haha, QIF
[07:21:45] <Marybelle>	He usually has comments about such things.
[07:21:56] <werdnum>	Marybelle: it's about 6pm Monday his time
[07:21:59] <werdnum>	go ahead.
[07:22:04] <tty2>	TimStarling, sounds like a stage name like max powers :)
[07:22:14] <Marybelle>	Heh.
[07:22:28] <Marybelle>	werdnum: Damn Aussie time.
[07:22:44] <Krimpet>	TimStarling, if you're around, what's your thoughts on adding a magic sequence '__\' that would strip all whitespace that follows it?
[07:23:24] <Krimpet>	This is, of course, part of my scheming plan to improve programming in wikitext. ;) But I think it would be really handy for plain ol' templates too.
[07:23:45] <p858snake>	werdnum: so its still daylight!
[07:23:56] <TimStarling>	maybe
[07:24:06] <TimStarling>	but I'd like to see the double braces disappear as well
[07:24:17] <TimStarling>	I don't suppose that's on your roadmap?
[07:24:20] <Marybelle>	What about triple braces?
[07:24:25] <tty2>	well now that i fixed the mediawiki bug with a hack you guys think i should post a bug report or what?
[07:24:42] <Krimpet>	TimStarling, hmm, good point
[07:24:43] <tty2>	it would be nice to get a proper fix, but eh, after 3 days to get this far i give up
[07:24:44] <Marybelle>	tty2: A bug with an attachment would be appreciated. :-)
[07:24:55] <tty2>	Marybelle: what would i attach?
[07:25:08] <Marybelle>	Oh, when you said 'hack' I figured you meant you fixed something.
[07:25:09] <tty2>	my fix is just a hack, shouldnt be made perminant
[07:25:13] <Marybelle>	Gotcha.
[07:25:22] <tty2>	Marybelle: i did, just not in a way youd want to add to the main source
[07:25:31] <Krimpet>	Here's the diff I'd like to apply: http://pastebin.com/f24bbd6e7
[07:25:34] <tty2>	it fixes the problem but opens up another potential issue
[07:25:49] <Marybelle>	Yeah, please file a bug if you don't see one filed already.
[07:26:04] <Sasa^Stefanovic>	TimStarling, where i can translate those continents/cities on TimeZone list ?
[07:26:17] <TimStarling>	dunno, I haven't reviewed that code yet
[07:26:20] <Marybelle>	Krimpet: Just out of curiosity, you're sure there aren't legit uses of that in articles or something? :-)
[07:26:23] <tty2>	Marybelle: where do you guys file bugs?
[07:26:30] <Marybelle>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org
[07:26:36] <TimStarling>	if it's not translatable then file a bug report
[07:26:39] <tty2>	Marybelle: thanks
[07:26:43] <Krimpet>	Marybelle, I can't think of any place it'd be used, can you?
[07:26:50] <Sasa^Stefanovic>	tnx
[07:26:53] <tty2>	TimStarling: what do you mean by translatable
[07:27:09] <Krimpet>	underscore-underscore-backslash is a pretty weird combination of characters
[07:27:10] <Marybelle>	Krimpet: Off-hand, not at all. I just know corner cases are a real bitch. ;-)
[07:27:12] <TimStarling>	tty2: I was talking to Sasa^Stefanovic
[07:27:16] <tty2>	oh ok
[07:27:38] <Krimpet>	It's a lot like __OTHERMAGICWORDS__; though __\__ seems too wordy to be useful
[07:28:13] <Krimpet>	So, __\. It's somewhat intuitive too, since \ is used in many programming languages to continue to the next line.
[07:29:38] <TimStarling>	most editors don't know many programming languages, but point taken
[07:29:47] <Marybelle>	And even if it is in article text, it likely won't break anything, right?
[07:30:15] <Marybelle>	The one case I thought of was something like C:\foo\file_name__\meh
[07:30:15] <Krimpet>	It'd just silently disappear, unless wrapped in <nowiki>.
[07:30:27] <Marybelle>	But I doubt that's used anywhere legitimately.
[07:32:02] <Krimpet>	Marybelle, the same could be said for, say, C:\__NOINDEX__.exe :)
[07:32:23] <Marybelle>	Indeed. It's probably not a worry, just thinking out loud.
[07:34:18] <Marybelle>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notch_code Close. :-)
[07:34:37] <Marybelle>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BIFF too.
[07:35:06] <Marybelle>	You gonna screw up ASCII art? :O
[07:36:08] <Krimpet>	Marybelle, it won't screw up anything in <pre></pre>.
[07:36:16] <Marybelle>	Nice. :-)
[07:36:52] <Krimpet>	Oh, hmm, it will.
[07:37:24] <Krimpet>	But, that might be desired in some cases. <pre> text should always be <nowiki>'d anyway, shouldn't it? :)
[07:38:05] <Splarka>	*cough*
[07:38:50] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special:Nuke shows always "1 edit" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16985 minor; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Nuke; (niklas.laxstrom)
[07:39:02] *Marybelle 	gives Splarka a cough drop.
[07:44:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Windows PHP 5.2. 6 precompiled binaries and Postgresql numeric version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16937  (10etienne.massip)
[07:45:46] <CIA-58>	03krimpet * r45671 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/parser/Parser.php):
[07:46:00] <Krimpet>	argh, TortoiseSVN didn't ask me for a comment
[07:46:42] *Krimpet 	needs to get used to these new tools
[07:49:06] <Splarka>	Krimpet: function renderPreTag( $text, $attribs ) {  \n  // Backwards-compatibility hack  \n  $content = StringUtils::delimiterReplace( '<nowiki>', '</nowiki>', '$1', $text, 'i' );
[07:49:32] <Krimpet>	Splarka, ?
[07:50:04] <Splarka>	<nowiki> in <pre> does nothing except get stripped now, AFAIK
[07:50:17] <Krimpet>	Ohh.
[07:51:05] <CIA-58>	03krimpet * r45672 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: 
[07:51:05] <CIA-58>	Comment that should've accompanied r45671 (*shakes fist at TortoiseSVN*):
[07:51:05] <CIA-58>	Added "__\" magic word to eat up all whitespace and newlines to the next non-whitespace character, to facilitate writing readable template code where whitespace is significant.
[07:51:29] <yksinaisyyteni>	__\?  seriously?
[07:52:03] <Krimpet>	yksinaisyyteni, seemed like the only decent compromise between brevity and consistency with current syntax
[07:54:02] <Krimpet>	And it'll make things like {{{else{{{test|}}}|{{{test{{{test|}}}|{{{then|}}}}}}}}} a helluva lot easier to read. :)
[08:00:06] <yksinaisyyteni>	i don't like the new user rights log formatting
[08:00:10] <yksinaisyyteni>	it's much harder to read
[08:02:05] <Marybelle>	Is it live on WMF?
[08:03:53] <yksinaisyyteni>	yes
[08:04:13] <yksinaisyyteni>	https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/meta/wiki/Special:Log/rights
[08:11:34] <CIA-58>	03nikerabbit * r45673 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Article.php: brr, Article::getContent still has "side effects"
[08:15:18] <mooglenorph>	Hello.
[08:15:48] <mooglenorph>	I'd like to run a wiki farm based on wikimedia. Can anyone point me at some good tools which can be used to manage this?
[08:17:57] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Make Timezone settings a global preference for unified accounts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16986 normal; normal; MediaWiki: User preferences; (mail)
[08:17:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Use date_default_timezone_* instead of TZ environment variable if available - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7715  (10mail)
[08:18:59] <p858snake>	bah "Make Timezone settings a global preference for unified accounts" <all user preferneces should be global
[08:20:13] <Splarka>	except the ones that shouldn't be
[08:20:23] <Splarka>	!farm | mooglenorph
[08:20:23] --mwbot--	mooglenorph: To run multiple wikis, you can simply install MediaWiki in different folders, with different databases or in one with database prefixes. You can also have multiple wikis using a single installation: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_family> and <http://booleandreams.wordpress.com/2007/06/12/running-multiple-instance-of-mediawiki-on-the-same-server-using-the-same-source-code/>.
[08:20:52] <mooglenorph>	Splarka, thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for
[08:26:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make Timezone settings a global preference for unified accounts - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16986  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[08:26:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Use date_default_timezone_* instead of TZ environment variable if available - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7715  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[08:26:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Unified login and interface language - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16827  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[08:34:06] <Marybelle>	yksinaisyyteni: What don't you like? The @ links?
[08:34:06] <yksinaisyyteni>	using the full group name and "and"
[08:34:10] <Marybelle>	Ah.
[08:40:00] <p858snake>	that could easily look uber in a table layout >.>
[08:40:35] <Marybelle>	Put all logs in a sortable table might be nice...
[08:47:42] <p858snake>	http://pastebin.ca/1306392 <something like that would look nice
[09:08:03] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Mailing List - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16987 normal; normal; Wikimedia: Mailing lists; (koalascott2)
[09:08:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Recent change unavailable, and other special pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16940  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[09:08:40] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Mailing List - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16987  (10koalascott2)
[09:17:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Rename English Wikipedia's User: namespace to Editor: - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16973  +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[09:29:41] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) How to get data from http://www.wiktionary.org/ througn api? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16984  +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[09:32:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create mailing list for Wikimedia Hrvatske (Croatia) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16369  summary (10public)
[09:33:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create mailing list for Wikimedia Malaysia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16987  summary (10public)
[09:39:13] <Marybelle>	"Mailing List" is not very descriptive. :P
[09:40:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Rename English Wikipedia's User: namespace to Editor: - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16973  +comment (10p858snake)
[09:40:41] <Splarka>	you're not very...
[09:45:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Rename English Wikipedia's User: namespace to Editor: - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16973  +comment (10public)
[09:45:13] <Nikerabbit>	tinyurl?!
[09:59:48] <luna6>	emufarmer
[10:05:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Unlist stale & outdated cashed special pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16463  summary (10bugzilla.wikimedia)
[10:26:10] <Splarka>	cashed?
[10:29:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Windows PHP 5.2. 6 precompiled binaries and Postgresql numeric version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16937  (10etienne.massip)
[10:40:46] <Guest46424>	hello, I want a free wiki without ads . where I can found one?
[10:41:08] <TimStarling>	en.wikipedia.org
[10:41:31] <Guest46424>	:)
[10:41:42] <Guest46424>	I want a personal wiki
[10:41:52] <Guest46424>	not presonal but a wiki about linux 
[10:42:22] <Guest46424>	I had one on wiki but the ads there is really anoying 
[10:42:27] <Guest46424>	*wikia
[10:42:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Windows PHP 5.2. 6 precompiled binaries and Postgresql numeric version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16937  (10etienne.massip)
[10:42:38] <TimStarling>	so you want someone who is loss-leading?
[10:43:08] <TimStarling>	having no ads for a while to get customers, and then they put the ads up in 6 months or so?
[10:43:24] <TimStarling>	not sure there are any of them left...
[10:43:35] <Tubarao>	In other news: Some guy wants a free beer..
[10:43:43] <Guest46424>	:)
[10:44:07] <Guest46424>	I can accept text ads 
[10:44:20] <Guest46424>	but wikia ones , I don't like
[10:44:24] <TimStarling>	you only get 50c per thousand clicks from text ads
[10:45:12] <TimStarling>	it doesn't cover the hosting cost unless the wiki is really popular
[10:45:38] <TimStarling>	not sure if it even covers it then
[10:46:29] <Guest46424>	so there is no solution? no free wiki like wikipedia but one I can manage?
[10:46:33] <Guest46424>	:(
[10:47:10] <TimStarling>	I think any solution would likely be illusory
[10:47:35] <TimStarling>	like loss-leading, or cost minimisation by not bothering to have backups
[10:47:50] <Guest46424>	ok thank , I'll ask another time .
[10:47:57] <TimStarling>	if I were you I'd pay for commercial wiki hosting
[10:47:58] <Guest46424>	may be some one knows better
[10:48:17] <Splarka>	that's how religions start
[10:48:18] <TimStarling>	then at least the provider has a reason to stay around
[10:48:19] <Duesentrieb>	Guest46424: find someone to sponsor it. a university, a linux distribution, someone. otoh, there must be thousands of wikis about linux already...
[10:48:26] <Splarka>	"I don't like reality, lets find some people that think like me"
[10:49:13] <Guest46424>	Duesentrieb: yes but not in Arabic 
[10:49:15] <yksinaisyyteni>	Guest46424: why would someone give you wiki hosting for free?
[10:49:50] <Duesentrieb>	Guest46424: that's very true. but i can imaging some linux distributions would like to sponsort somethign like that. ask the ubuntu guys, they are into internationalization.
[10:50:43] <Guest46424>	I now that the good thing costs 
[10:50:54] *Duesentrieb 	's firefox keeps crashing.
[10:51:32] <Guest46424>	I think we should bay to host our wiki , hopping the other guys agree :)
[10:52:04] <Nikerabbit>	Duesentrieb: though their means to do it are as bad as always
[10:52:17] <Guest46424>	it still fresh and free hosting seemed like a good idea 
[10:52:42] <Duesentrieb>	Guest46424: $15/month or so should get you something decent. look for something that gives you shell (ssh) access.
[10:53:17] <TimStarling>	a wiki in arabic eh?
[10:53:33] <TimStarling>	I'll do it for free if you give me $15 baksheeh per month ;)
[10:53:43] <Duesentrieb>	:P
[10:53:49] <Guest46424>	other thing I forget to say , that I'm not expert in wiki system or in servers
[10:53:53] <Guest46424>	:)
[10:53:57] <Simetrical>	"Did you mean: baksheesh"
[10:54:10] <TimStarling>	yeah, that
[10:54:52] <Duesentrieb>	Guest46424: few people are before they need to run a wiki :)
[10:55:45] <TimStarling>	speaking of arabic, did you see my idea on foundation-l for a devocalising language variant?
[10:56:12] <TimStarling>	should just be a matter of mapping those half dozen characters to an empty string
[10:57:44] <Guest46424>	ok I'll pass this suggestion to the management 
[10:57:44] <Guest46424>	ubuntu hosting will not work because it's about all distrobutions
[10:57:44] <Guest46424>	the problem that they are too afraid of security 
[10:57:44] <Guest46424>	we have wiki but they don't allow every one to edit 
[10:57:46] <Guest46424>	just 14 people
[10:58:04] <Nikerabbit>	if somebody only fixed those variants to not mess up with interface language selection
[10:58:31] <TimStarling>	is there a bug number?
[10:59:17] <Guest46424>	TimStarling: no I didn't
[10:59:41] <yksinaisyyteni>	heh, australians: http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,24899216-952,00.html
[10:59:45] <Nikerabbit>	TimStarling: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10837
[11:00:13] <Guest46424>	is wiki system less secure than forums ?
[11:00:53] <Nikerabbit>	also breaks ?uselang it seems
[11:01:47] <Nikerabbit>	hm, nope another error
[11:03:09] <p858snake>	Guest46424: Forums and Wiki's are completely differnt things
[11:04:20] <TimStarling>	seems like it's broken by design
[11:04:23] <Guest46424>	I know ,but the thing I don't know why are they worried about wiki security that much that they don't allow editing 
[11:04:58] <Nikerabbit>	looks like that the language converter has gained new bugs
[11:05:07] <Guest46424>	TimStarling: what did you mean by "devocalising"
[11:05:19] <TimStarling>	zhengzhu always intended variant links to alter the interface, he introduced the user interface language concept solely to introduce that feature
[11:05:21] <Guest46424>	I couldn't find it in dictionary
[11:06:07] <Nikerabbit>	when browsing zhwiki in english, the variants tabs don't seem to work for me... weird
[11:07:03] <Nikerabbit>	have to go before I get more confused again... :)
[11:07:27] <TimStarling>	Guest46424: the idea is to automatically remove harakat from arabic text
[11:07:41] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Setup Rollback and Patroller, two user groups at zh. wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16988 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (jwongwiki)
[11:07:55] <TimStarling>	that way, editors can add them without annoying too many people
[11:07:59] <Guest46424>	TimStarling: yeah that would be nice
[11:08:07] <TimStarling>	then we can have a link to a version with the harakat in
[11:09:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Setup Rollback and Patroller, two user groups at zh.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16988   +shell (10alex.emsenhuber)
[11:15:45] <kraut>	moin
[11:39:26] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Setting off links to pages without content - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16989 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (emaster)
[11:51:50] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Bugs in the BoxRec encyclopaedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16990 normal; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (emaster)
[12:02:56] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Bugs in the BoxRec encyclopaedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16990  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[12:11:16] <stemdA>	before posting to bugzilla question here (I searched for double last 5 minutes):
[12:11:33] <stemdA>	broken Special:UncategorizedPages when REDIRECT is translated?
[12:11:45] <stemdA>	(via betawiki)
[12:12:15] <stemdA>	if somebody knows that bug is already posted, please say so, thanks
[12:22:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Bugs in the BoxRec encyclopaedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16990  (10emaster)
[12:58:13] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) right justify figures in right column in Special: Statistics - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16991 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (bugzilla.wikimedia)
[12:59:08] <timofonic>	Hello
[12:59:38] <timofonic>	Anyone knows how to maker a bigger epsilin symbol by using the texvc mediadiki math?
[13:00:38] <timofonic>	 \epsilon is quite small here
[13:02:30] <timofonic>	I did think there are \bigepsilon but no :/
[13:11:44] <lch>	timofonic, maybe \varepsilon
[13:11:49] <lch>	if that's what you meant
[13:12:56] <lch>	or \Epsilon
[13:13:15] <timofonic>	lch: http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/8065/formulitasxm0.png
[13:13:42] <lch>	I don't see epsilons there
[13:14:06] <timofonic>	lch: uhm?
[13:14:28] <lch>	do you mean \in ?
[13:14:44] <timofonic>	lch: uhm
[13:21:23] <timofonic>	lch: Yes, thanks :)
[14:11:32] <CIA-58>	03catrope * r45674 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
[14:11:32] <CIA-58>	API: (bug 16798) Fix for PHP bug 46944 (PHP's JSON formatter encodes certain
[14:11:32] <CIA-58>	UTF8 characters incorrectly) by falling back to our own formatter if PHP's is
[14:11:32] <CIA-58>	broken. Also fix up our own JSON formatter which also messed up these
[14:11:32] <CIA-58>	characters, albeit in a different way. Slightly modified patch by Brad Jorsch.
[14:12:05] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) JSON encoding errors for characters outside the BMP - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16798  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[14:20:48] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special:UncategorizedPages bug on hr Wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16992 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (stem)
[14:24:03] <Von>	How do you set vertical width on an image?
[14:25:23] <Duesentrieb>	"vertical width" is called "height" 
[14:25:43] <Von>	yes... how do u set it
[14:25:54] <Duesentrieb>	height=?
[14:26:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Windows PHP 5.2. 6 precompiled binaries and Postgresql numeric version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16937  (10etienne.massip)
[14:26:38] <Duesentrieb>	iirc, it wasn't always possible, but has been added a few releases ago
[14:27:43] <CIA-58>	03catrope * r45675 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/api/ApiQueryInfo.php): API: (bug 16629) "edit=:move=" in page.page_restrictions was interpreted incorrectly. Also moved up the code checking for legacy protections to right after the code checking for 'new' protections.
[14:27:51] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Corrupt protections in page_restrictions table - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16629  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[14:28:06] <^demon>	:-\
[14:28:09] <Von>	Right... but how do u set it? Instead of, for example, 20px, which gives 20px wide.... this would be 20px high
[14:28:19] <^demon>	That's twice he's release-notes conflicted me :)
[14:28:38] <RoanKattouw>	Von: If you use [[Image:Foo|20px]] that means that *both* width and height are restricted to 20px
[14:28:43] <Von>	height= doesn't do it
[14:28:59] <CIA-58>	03demon * r45676 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/specials/SpecialUpload.php): 
[14:28:59] <CIA-58>	(bug 16968) Don't throw useless warnings on Special:Upload. We don't warn the
[14:28:59] <CIA-58>	user about spaces/underscores anywhere else, why bother with it here? And if
[14:28:59] <CIA-58>	$wgCapitalLinks is enabled, we should silently deal with it, rather than make
[14:28:59] <CIA-58>	the user think they've done something wrong.
[14:29:03] <Von>	yeah, but I need to specify height (this is 1.14)
[14:29:12] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Special: Upload gives tedious warning about changing spaces to underscores in file names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16968  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[14:29:13] <RoanKattouw>	So the image will be scaled down so the longest one is 20px and the shortest one is less than 20 px (or equal if the image is square)
[14:29:27] <RoanKattouw>	Does [[Image:foo|height=20px]] work?
[14:29:30] *RoanKattouw 	has no idea
[14:29:34] <Von>	nope
[14:29:40] <RoanKattouw>	^demon: Sorry :P
[14:29:46] <RoanKattouw>	At least I'm being productive again
[14:29:59] <^demon>	:)
[14:33:54] <Simetrical>	Doesn't [[Image:foo|10000x20px]] work?
[14:34:16] <Simetrical>	Or maybe [[Image:foo|x20px]], I can't remember if that was ever done (it was proposed at some point).
[14:34:52] <Von>	Yes! That's it, Simetrical. The first example. Thank you!
[14:35:26] <lch>	I think I always used [[Image:foo|10000x20px]] too, though I find it a nuisance as well
[14:41:09] <Von>	Suppose a way to force image transparency?
[14:46:43] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) ParserFunctions should document ctype requirement - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10063  summary; +comment (10innocentkiller)
[14:59:23] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[15:00:51] <Nikerabbit>	hi Simetrical
[15:31:25] <Betacommand>	can someone tell me what mediawiki error is being thrown on http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Whanganui_National_Park&oldid=250725911
[15:31:54] <Simetrical>	Ooh, exotic.
[15:32:04] <Simetrical>	It's an #expr error, it looks like.
[15:32:06] <RoanKattouw>	Betacommand: You mean the Expression error: Unexpected < operator stuff?
[15:32:11] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah, probably #expr
[15:32:50] <Betacommand>	RoanKattouw: do you know what MW namespace message that is?
[15:33:25] <Simetrical>	pfunc_expr_unexpected_operator
[15:33:29] <RoanKattouw>	Betacommand: Grep ParserFunctions's i18n file
[15:33:31] <RoanKattouw>	Ah
[15:34:23] <Simetrical>	The problem is somewhere in here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_Protected_area&action=edit
[15:34:24] <Simetrical>	Have fun!
[15:34:44] <Simetrical>	Actually, that doesn't use #expr directly, it must be a subtemplate.
[15:38:23] <RoanKattouw>	Simetrical: Would you happen to have a copy of the REL_1_14 branch checked out?
[15:38:34] <Simetrical>	No.
[15:38:41] <Simetrical>	Well, maybe.
[15:38:43] <RoanKattouw>	Meh. Thought so
[15:38:53] <Simetrical>	Actually, I probably do, but I don't know how branches work in git-svn.
[15:39:00] <RoanKattouw>	...
[15:39:04] <Simetrical>	At least, svn branches.
[15:39:08] <Simetrical>	I know how git branches work.
[15:39:41] <Nikerabbit>	RoanKattouw: svn switch?
[15:39:52] <RoanKattouw>	Nikerabbit: What does that do?
[15:40:07] <Nikerabbit>	switches between branches?
[15:40:24] <RoanKattouw>	Actually I just wanna backport a rev to REL1_14 but I'm too lazy to check out the branch
[15:40:29] <RoanKattouw>	I'll do it when I get back then
[15:40:43] <Nikerabbit>	well, isn't that for you then
[15:40:49] <Nikerabbit>	iti is faster than svn co
[15:41:12] <RoanKattouw>	And how would that work with TortoiseSVN?
[15:41:16] *RoanKattouw 	hides
[15:42:21] <RoanKattouw>	Oh wait I do have the CLI client as well, of course
[15:42:28] <RoanKattouw>	I'll check out svn switch then
[15:43:00] <Simetrical>	Hmm, I don't see REL1_14 in git branch -r.
[15:43:32] <Simetrical>	I can checkout REL1_13, though (9.428s real).
[15:44:14] <RoanKattouw>	Nikerabbit: svn switch looks scary; will modify my repo and since I don't want to lose my local changes, I'd have to checkout trunk and then switch to 1_14, which is pointless
[15:45:35] <Simetrical>	RoanKattouw, this is why you should use a DVCS like git.  :)
[15:45:44] <Simetrical>	Although I don't know why it didn't pick up REL1_14.
[15:45:47] *Simetrical 	frowns
[15:46:21] <Nikerabbit>	RoanKattouw: uh? it handles local changes as does svn up, ircc
[15:50:56] <CIA-58>	03yaron * r45677 10/trunk/extensions/ExternalData/ (. ED_ParserFunctions.php ED_Settings.php README): New extension
[16:01:10] <RoanKattouw>	Nikerabbit: Sure it does, unless of course your local changes conflict with the delta between trunk and REL1_14, in which case I'm afraid switching to 1.14 and back again won't leave them intact
[16:03:08] <Simetrical>	RoanKattouw, it will cause conflicts that you'll have to resolve manually, as always.
[16:03:22] <Simetrical>	You can always save an svn diff beforehand if you're afraid of losing changes.
[16:03:28] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah
[16:03:40] <RoanKattouw>	But I guess I'll just do it the 'easy' way
[16:03:49] <RoanKattouw>	Or poke Tim to do it for me :P
[16:07:07] <mike_jh>	What is the beet way to work out what version of MediaWiki I'm running?
[16:07:56] <Wuzur|rhn>	[[Special:Version]]
[16:07:56] <mike_jh>	Cheers
[16:39:16] <CIA-58>	03catrope * r45678 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/api/ApiQueryDeletedrevs.php): 
[16:39:16] <CIA-58>	API: (bug 16858) Revamped list=deletedrevs to make listing deleted contributions
[16:39:16] <CIA-58>	and all deleted pages possible. This reintroduces drnamespace (removed earlier
[16:39:16] <CIA-58>	because of performance concerns, now implemented efficiently) and introduces
[16:39:16] <CIA-58>	druser, drexcludeuser, drfrom, drcontinue and drunique
[16:39:30] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) API: Deleted contributions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16858  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[16:47:17] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) {{REVISIONTIMESTAMP}} does not function as documented - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15980  +comment (10b-jorsch)
[16:49:24] <asdfqwer>	hey guys. I just updated my installation from 1.13.2 to 1.13.3. since then every page (except static content like images) need's 80 seconds to load... I used the patch file to update my installation. the patching went flawlessly. the databse update script too. Does somebody have an idea? BTW, I'm using PHP 5.1.2 & MySql 5.0.26.
[16:59:19] <Mr-Fine>	Hello room :)
[17:02:14] <Mr-Fine>	I don't access to root server, but I wanna use Short URL.
[17:02:19] <Mr-Fine>	have^
[17:03:31] <Wuzur|rhn>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/wiki/Page_title_--_no_root_access
[17:08:04] <asdfqwer>	I could track it down to $mediaWiki->initialize() on line 93 @index.php, which takes 22 seconds.
[17:08:42] <RoanKattouw>	asdfqwer: That's probably not specific enough; initialize() does a lot of things
[17:08:45] <Mr-Fine>	Wazur: Sorry, I was just away
[17:08:50] <Mr-Fine>	Let me try it :)
[17:09:25] <asdfqwer>	RoanKattouw: Okay, I search deeper... ;-)
[17:11:46] <Mr-Fine>	Wazur: In step 3: there are two choices, which one is better ?
[17:12:19] <RoanKattouw>	Mr-Fine: Alias is usually better than RewriteRule
[17:12:24] <RoanKattouw>	(less error-prone, anyway)
[17:13:34] <Marybelle>	RoanKattouw: Hey. :-)  Thanks for fixing 16629. I had a question if another bug fell under the API or not...
[17:14:10] <Marybelle>	Do you think https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16816 is an API-only thing?
[17:16:26] <Mr-Fine>	I cant see any .htaccess in my web root directory
[17:16:34] <Marybelle>	Create it.
[17:16:47] <RoanKattouw>	Marybelle: 16629 = JSON misencoding right?
[17:16:49] <Mr-Fine>	I tried to create nothing not appearing
[17:16:59] <CIA-58>	03raymond * r45679 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialStatistics.php: Bug 16991: Fix regression: Add class for right justify figures again. Class is defined in shared.css already.
[17:17:04] <Mr-Fine>	I tried to create it but nothing \ appearing
[17:17:16] <Marybelle>	RoanKattouw: Corrupt page_restrictions in table.
[17:17:23] <RoanKattouw>	Oh right
[17:17:26] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) right justify figures in right column in Special:Statistics - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16991  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[17:17:33] <Marybelle>	RoanKattouw: 16816 is about marking actions as bot as an admin.
[17:17:52] <RoanKattouw>	Anyway, 16816 should be in the UI as well, for consistency with rollback
[17:18:05] <Marybelle>	Hmm, okay.
[17:18:17] <Marybelle>	Consistency? In MediaWiki? :O
[17:18:23] <Mr-Fine>	oh sorry it was hidden :)
[17:18:44] <RoanKattouw>	Marybelle: I know :D but I try to at least pretend to be consistent when introducing new stuff
[17:18:56] <RoanKattouw>	asdfqwer: No need for a private chat, just use the channel
[17:19:04] *Marybelle 	wonders who he can bug to resolve that bug...
[17:19:13] <asdfqwer>	RoanKattouw: Sorry, I just pressed the wrong button...
[17:19:26] <RoanKattouw>	Marybelle: Well, for the API part, me. As for the UI part...
[17:19:43] <RoanKattouw>	Oh wait, I can't even fix this in the API until it's fixed in the backend
[17:19:52] <Dferg>	 Hi! do you think https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16975 will be difficult to fix?
[17:19:52] <RoanKattouw>	I'd take it if I weren't as busy catching up to API backlog
[17:20:03] <piksi>	are all the things mentioned in mediawiki roadmap-page going to be finished until 1.14 is released or will it be put out earlier?
[17:20:03] <Marybelle>	All right. I'll poke about. :-)
[17:20:08] <Marybelle>	Thanks for taking a look.
[17:20:24] <Mr-Fine>	I've done it but not working
[17:20:25] <piksi>	i haven't found a roadmap with release schedules :-/
[17:20:32] <RoanKattouw>	Dferg: It's easy, it's just waiting for someone to get around to it. There aren't many people with shell access
[17:20:55] <RoanKattouw>	piksi: That's because there aren't any. We try to do a release every quarter
[17:21:03] <Dferg>	RoanKattouw thanks 
[17:21:25] <Mr-Fine>	Roan: Links are not working
[17:21:33] <RoanKattouw>	piksi: 1.14 has been branched already, should be released soon
[17:21:40] <RoanKattouw>	Mr-Fine: Not working how?
[17:21:57] <piksi>	RoanKattouw: i'm happy to help either financially or with debugging
[17:21:59] <Mr-Fine>	It is showning Internal Server error on Wiki site
[17:22:04] <Marybelle>	piksi: Nowadays, releases are done about twice a year.
[17:22:10] <RoanKattouw>	Mr-Fine: Link?
[17:22:20] <Marybelle>	piksi: You're usually better off running the SVN version if you want faster releases.
[17:22:31] <RoanKattouw>	piksi: For release-related stuff, contact Tim Starling. For codereview-related stuff, contact Brion Vibber
[17:22:34] <Marybelle>	Using whichever version Wikimedia is using is pretty stable.
[17:22:41] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Make *.wap.wikipedia.org URLs redirect to *.mobile.wikipedia. org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16692  +comment (10rhalsell)
[17:22:50] <Marybelle>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_roadmap <-- Outdated but it exists...
[17:23:03] <RoanKattouw>	[edit] 1.14 (December? 2008)
[17:23:04] <Marybelle>	Same with http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Version_lifecycle
[17:23:05] <RoanKattouw>	*ahem*
[17:23:15] <piksi>	yep, i've read both
[17:23:38] <Marybelle>	Yes, we really should update those. But only a few people can and they're busy. :P
[17:23:39] <piksi>	Marybelle: i've understood that extensions might stop working with svn versions as many extensions are only designed to work with the "full releases" 
[17:23:52] <Marybelle>	piksi: Hmm, that shouldn't be.
[17:24:06] <Marybelle>	Well, it just depends.
[17:24:21] <Marybelle>	"Major" extensions will always work with the updated versions of MediaWiki.
[17:24:25] <Marybelle>	ParserFunctions, etc.
[17:24:37] <Marybelle>	(A.k.a. things installed on Wikimedia.)
[17:24:42] <piksi>	yeah
[17:24:50] <Marybelle>	For other smaller extensions, it may break, certainly.
[17:26:02] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED)  Enable FlaggedRevs custom configuration on Portuguese Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16365  +comment (10rhalsell)
[17:28:18] <Mr-Fine>	Wazur: you there?
[17:29:06] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Create mailing list for Wikimedia Hrvatske (Croatia) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16369  (10cbass)
[17:29:23] <Wuzur|rhn>	i'm here
[17:29:25] <Mr-Fine>	Regarding Short URL without root access: I just did it but not working.
[17:29:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create mailing list for Wikimedia Malaysia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16987  (10cbass)
[17:29:41] *Marybelle 	things Cary got his note.
[17:29:45] <Marybelle>	s/things/thinks
[17:29:48] <Marybelle>	I keep doing that...
[17:29:59] <Wuzur|rhn>	Mr-Fine: Sorry, I never tried that method
[17:30:41] <Mr-Fine>	Anybody else?
[17:34:11] <Mr-Fine>	Yahoooo
[17:34:14] <Mr-Fine>	Its working
[17:34:18] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Enable FlaggedRevs custom configuration on he.wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14648  +comment (10rhalsell)
[17:34:32] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Scripts that wait for lagged database servers should ignore those out of rotation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16993 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Database; (brion)
[17:34:56] <Mr-Fine>	Wazur:
[17:35:58] <Wuzur|rhn>	If you write me with u I get pinged ;)
[17:37:59] <Mr-Fine>	Working fine now, thanks
[17:45:43] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enable FlaggedRevs custom configuration on he.wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14648  +comment (10rhalsell)
[17:47:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) API: Deleted contributions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16858  (10matthew.britton)
[17:48:14] <Marybelle>	brion: Updates for http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_roadmap and http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Version_lifecycle  ? :-)
[17:49:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make www.$1.wiki(media|pedia...).org redirect to $1.wiki( media|pedia...).org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1698  (10brion)
[17:50:58] <brion>	Marybelle: they'll need to be updated soon, yes :)
[17:51:39] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Normalize *.org portal page URLs to www.*.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16994 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: DNS; (brion)
[17:52:49] <Marybelle>	Wikiversity. :-(
[17:53:37] <brion>	what about it?
[17:54:14] <Marybelle>	Is it included in bug 16994?
[17:54:23] <Marybelle>	(Couldn't tell if the list was supposed to be all-inclusive or not.)
[17:56:05] <Marybelle>	Personally I'd like it if mediawiki.org removed the www.
[17:58:05] <VasilievVV>	brion: when will 1.14 be released?
[17:58:29] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) srv78, srv118 missing upload5 mount - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16995 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (brion)
[17:59:03] <brion>	VasilievVV: soon :)
[17:59:13] <brion>	within the next week or two presumably, depending how the RC goes
[18:01:53] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Rename English Wikipedia's User: namespace to Editor: - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16973  +comment (10matthew.britton)
[18:01:55] <Mr-Fines>	anybody who wanna help me in Main page layouting?
[18:06:39] <Marybelle>	lolgurch.
[18:07:04] *MrZ-man 	waves
[18:07:28] *Marybelle 	waves. MrZ-man: Would you like to be a savior to the MediaWiki community? :O
[18:07:45] <MrZ-man>	you don't want me to rewrite the parser do you?
[18:07:48] <Dantman|Work>	Rewriting MW in JavaScript?
[18:08:37] <Marybelle>	MrZ-man: Even simpler. :-)  https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16816
[18:09:36] <MrZ-man>	so then, s/MediaWiki community/adminbot community?
[18:11:01] <Marybelle>	Mebbe.
[18:12:53] <RoanKattouw>	brion-meeting: Do you have a copy of REL1_14 handy? If so, could you backport r45674, r45675 for me? Saves me the trouble of checking out REL1_14 myself xD
[18:13:31] <Mr-Fines>	Is it possible to use IRC chatrooms over web browser?
[18:13:47] <RoanKattouw>	Mr-Fines: ChatZilla extension for Firefox
[18:14:03] <RoanKattouw>	There are also web-based clients, yes, but I don't have any handy
[18:14:19] <Marybelle>	There's a MediaWiki extension somewhere.
[18:14:36] <Mr-Fines>	what about IE?
[18:14:45] <Marybelle>	IE is the Devil's browser.
[18:15:27] <krimpet>	Marybelle, I think the devil uses MSN Explorer.
[18:15:49] <Marybelle>	Or AOL for Mac. /me shudders.
[18:16:03] <MrZ-man>	I don't think there's anything built specifically for IE
[18:16:04] <Mr-Fines>	http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews_talk:Internet_Relay_Chat
[18:16:08] <Mr-Fines>	please check this
[18:16:16] <Mr-Fines>	how is it possible something like that?
[18:17:07] <krimpet>	Mr-Fines, many networks, including Freenode, have a Java gateway.
[18:17:31] <krimpet>	s/gateway/client/
[18:17:33] <Mr-Fines>	do i need any extention to use this on my wiki?
[18:17:42] <MrZ-man>	does Mibbit work on IE?
[18:17:47] <Mr-Fines>	yah
[18:17:51] <Mr-Fines>	but alot of ads
[18:18:02] <krimpet>	Erm, no; you'd link people to the freenode Java client.
[18:18:17] <krimpet>	IRC isn't really integrated with the web.
[18:18:24] <Mr-Fines>	oh
[18:18:42] <Mr-Fines>	how can i link?
[18:18:58] <MrZ-man>	there's http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:IRC_Chat - not sure how well it works
[18:19:48] <brion-meeting>	RoanKattouw: nope
[18:20:13] <RoanKattouw>	brion-meeting: Meh. I'll do it myself then
[18:20:54] <lch>	Ads on Mibbit? First that I heard about it
[18:24:00] <CIA-58>	03nikerabbit * r45680 10/trunk/extensions/Nuke/SpecialNuke_body.php: * Code cleanup
[18:26:29] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Special: MergeAccount does not prompt for a captcha after an incorrect password is entered - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11354  +comment (10happy_melon)
[18:32:58] <eghjaytee>	we are done her7
[18:34:58] <Mr-Fine>	I'm using Modern skin, Is it possible to displat Page Title in bold? However I've set all headings to normal
[18:35:09] <Marybelle>	Edit your CSS.
[18:35:30] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Wiki for Wikimedia UK - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16996 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (mediawiki)
[18:35:49] <Marybelle>	#firstHeading { font-weight:normal; }
[18:36:31] <Mr-Fines>	I'm using Modern skin, Is it possible to displat Page Title in bold? However I've set all headings to normal
[18:36:50] <Mr-Fines>	I was DC
[18:36:55] <Mr-Fines>	What I missed?
[18:36:57] <Mr-Fines>	I'm using Modern skin, Is it possible to displat Page Title in bold? However I've set all headings to normal
[18:37:09] <faceface>	buzz_: 
[18:37:40] <Marybelle>	Mr-Fines: #firstHeading { font-weight:normal; }
[18:39:03] <Mr-Fines>	Marybelle: please see PM
[18:39:05] <faceface>	buzz_: I'm getting weird errors 
[18:39:11] *Marybelle 	is away.
[18:40:31] <Mr-Fines>	I'm using Modern skin, In default, all headings are set to bold
[18:40:41] <Mr-Fines>	but I have set all to normal
[18:40:52] <faceface>	buzz_: my $articles = $mw->list( { action => 'query', list => ' allpages', } ); print $articles, "\n"; exit;
[18:40:53] <Mr-Fines>	but just I want to displace Page title on header in bold
[18:40:56] <faceface>	it just prints 0
[18:41:07] <faceface>	login seems to work fine
[18:41:22] <faceface>	but I think I lost some XML parsers somewhere along the line
[18:41:27] <RoanKattouw>	faceface: You don't have to login to use allpages
[18:41:51] <faceface>	RoanKattouw: hi. I'm logging in anyway, but it shouln't cause it to break
[18:42:02] <faceface>	I think its actually a perl config issue on my box
[18:43:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wikitext in image captions displayed as plaintext - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16768  (10danny.b)
[18:45:28] <faceface>	RoanKattouw: buzz_ here is my script: http://pastebin.com/d4523db6e
[18:45:39] <RoanKattouw>	{ lgname => '', lgpassword => '' } will probably fail
[18:45:47] <RoanKattouw>	(unless you just stripped stuff there)
[18:46:05] <faceface>	RoanKattouw: yeah, for pasting
[18:47:40] <faceface>	I don't understand why it just returns 0 with no error
[18:48:12] <RoanKattouw>	faceface: Does the MediaWiki::API documentation say anything about that?
[18:48:36] <faceface>	just looking at the API page that I set to script to point at... looks fine
[18:49:01] <RoanKattouw>	What happens when you skip the login call?
[18:49:17] <faceface>	adding "?action=query&list=allpages" shows me the results
[18:49:25] <faceface>	RoanKattouw: using the module I don't know how
[18:49:54] <RoanKattouw>	faceface: Well you can do queries without logging in, surely?
[18:50:17] <faceface>	OK, I see. I'll comment out the login command.
[18:50:19] <RoanKattouw>	Comment out lines 14 and 15?
[18:50:36] <faceface>	yup - I didn't realise I already had the mw object
[18:51:19] <faceface>	same outcome
[18:51:23] <faceface>	print $results -> 0
[18:52:03] <RoanKattouw>	$results doesn't seem to be defined in your code; $articles is
[18:52:27] <faceface>	sorry, my mistake. my script just outputs a 0
[18:52:33] <faceface>	its the value of $articles
[18:53:07] <faceface>	I just forced a reinstall of the module using cpan, and 'all tests successfull'
[18:53:32] <faceface>	I'm really sorry RoanKattouw, I have to go
[18:53:37] <faceface>	(just got a call)
[18:53:43] <faceface>	thanks very much for your help
[18:54:09] <CIA-58>	03raymond * r45681 10/branches/REL1_14/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialStatistics.php: Backport r45679: Bug 16991: Fix regression: Add class for right justify figures again. Class is defined in shared.css already.
[18:55:49] <RoanKattouw>	Raymond_: Would you mind backporting r45674, r45675 for me as well? Saves me the trouble of checking out the REL1_14 branch...
[18:56:27] <Raymond_>	RoanKattouw: sure
[18:56:32] <RoanKattouw>	Thanks
[19:05:01] <MrZ-man>	Marybelle: it seems to already mark log entries as bot, at least through the normal interface
[19:05:13] <MrZ-man>	haven't tested throught the API yet
[19:06:45] <CIA-58>	03raymond * r45682 10/branches/REL1_14/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
[19:06:45] <CIA-58>	Backport r45674:
[19:06:45] <CIA-58>	API: (bug 16798) Fix for PHP bug 46944 (PHP's JSON formatter encodes certain
[19:06:45] <CIA-58>	UTF8 characters incorrectly) by falling back to our own formatter if PHP's is
[19:06:45] <CIA-58>	broken. Also fix up our own JSON formatter which also messed up these
[19:06:46] <CIA-58>	characters, albeit in a different way. Slightly modified patch by Brad Jorsch.
[19:06:50] <CIA-58>	Committed per request of catrope
[19:07:39] <MrZ-man>	the "b" doesn't show up in normal RC, but they're still filtered out
[19:08:02] <RoanKattouw>	Check list=recentchanges
[19:08:20] <RoanKattouw>	With rcprop=flags (don't know if that's set by default)
[19:09:13] <MrZ-man>	yeah, it shows up there
[19:09:18] <MrZ-man>	and in enhanced RC
[19:09:28] <RoanKattouw>	OK, so that means it's in the DB
[19:09:33] <RoanKattouw>	(the flag I mean(
[19:10:30] <MrZ-man>	normal RC filters them out if hidebots is set, it just doesn't show the flag
[19:10:54] <CIA-58>	03raymond * r45683 10/branches/REL1_14/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/api/ApiQueryInfo.php): 
[19:10:54] <CIA-58>	Backport r45675:
[19:10:54] <CIA-58>	API: (bug 16629) "edit=:move=" in page.page_restrictions was interpreted incorrectly. Also moved up the code checking for legacy protections to right after the code checking for 'new' protections.
[19:10:54] <CIA-58>	Committed per request of catrope
[19:11:02] <RoanKattouw>	Thanks Raymond_ 
[19:11:19] <Raymond_>	:)
[19:13:16] <Rob_Laibach>	does anyone know how to create that right hand sidebar located here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economics
[19:15:03] <MrZ-man>	Marybelle: API action=delete seems to set the bot flag in RC for flagged bots
[19:16:18] <MrZ-man>	http://pastebin.com/m2c16fd95
[19:18:52] <MrZ-man>	though I don't know if there is a way for logged actions done by a bot to /not/ be flagged, that could be a bug
[19:27:57] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Should be possible to mark actions (delete, protect, etc.) as bot - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16816  +comment (10mrzmanwiki)
[19:31:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Recent change unavailable, and other special pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16940  (10antoinedelarue)
[19:52:00] <CIA-58>	03raymond * r45684 10/trunk/phase3/includes/LogEventsList.php: Add a linebreak per http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/45052#c1221
[20:00:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Impossible to find a valid bugzilla name - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16970  +comment (10chris_europole)
[20:03:14] <CIA-58>	03ialex * r45685 10/trunk/extensions/ExternalData/ (ED_ParserFunctions.php ED_Settings.php README): svn:eol-style native
[20:05:04] <Rob_Laibach>	how do you get thos right hand sidebars
[20:11:49] <Dantman|Work>	Use a rtl language?
[20:14:37] <Rob_Laibach>	what?
[20:14:53] <Rob_Laibach>	i'm talking about the small sidebar tables on a wiki page
[20:15:17] <Rob_Laibach>	if you search for economics on wikipedia...you see them there
[20:15:46] <Dantman|Work>	Oh infoboxes
[20:16:07] <Dantman|Work>	Anything inside an article is just a simple styled table with float: right;
[20:16:48] <Rob_Laibach>	ohhh
[20:17:23] <Rob_Laibach>	so do i need an extension to do this?
[20:18:14] <Dantman|Work>	No...
[20:18:20] <Duesentrieb>	Rob_Laibach: no, but they are more useful with the ParserFunctions extension installed.
[20:18:23] <Dantman|Work>	I just said it was a simple styled table
[20:18:33] <Duesentrieb>	because that way, you can make parts of the infoboxes optional
[20:19:09] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Warn user, when he edits another person a user page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16997 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (church.of.emacs.ml)
[20:19:10] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Addition of WP: "short" namespace to the Simple English Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16998 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (bluegoblin)
[20:20:10] <Rob_Laibach>	i'm not sure if i'm getting this
[20:20:37] <Rob_Laibach>	see...i want to create that right sidebar...like the one located on economics (found on wikipedia)
[20:20:42] <Rob_Laibach>	now..to do this..
[20:20:52] <RoanKattouw>	Rob_Laibach: Edit [[Economics]] and see which template they use
[20:20:53] <Rob_Laibach>	i first have to install the parser function extention
[20:20:54] <RoanKattouw>	!templates
[20:20:54] --mwbot--	For more information about templates, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates>. The most common issues with templates copied from Wikipedia can be fixed by installing ParserFunctions <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions> and enabling HTML Tidy <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUseTidy>.
[20:20:57] <Danny_B>	is it possible to create either {{#foo:}} or <foo> which will output outside the generated page content?
[20:21:04] <RoanKattouw>	!parserfunctions
[20:21:04] --mwbot--	"Parser functions" are a way to extend the wiki syntax. ParserFunctions is an extension that provides the basic set of parser functions (you have to install it separately!).  For help using parser functions, please see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words#Parser_functions>. For details about the extension, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserFunctions>.
[20:21:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Warn user, when he edits another person's user page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16997  summary; +comment (10church.of.emacs.ml)
[20:21:44] <Duesentrieb>	Danny_B: yes, it's doable, but how depends on where you want to put the content.
[20:22:06] <Danny_B>	cool,half way passed ;-)
[20:22:19] <Danny_B>	Duesentrieb: need to add class(es) to h1
[20:22:24] <Duesentrieb>	Danny_B: basically, you store the information in the outputpage object somewhere, and then fetch it and use it in a hook function that is called later
[20:22:38] <Duesentrieb>	to h1? the page title?
[20:22:43] <Danny_B>	yep
[20:22:51] <Duesentrieb>	i don't think there's a hook that lets you do that.
[20:23:09] <Danny_B>	or mabye class to body wrapper
[20:23:15] <Duesentrieb>	but then, maybe there is. it depends on the skin. skins are not so easy to hook into, sadly.
[20:23:40] <Duesentrieb>	as soon as you are messing with the html structure that is generated by the skin, things get tricky
[20:23:53] <Duesentrieb>	because the skins are written to be fast, not to be customizable
[20:25:58] <Danny_B>	how about if i didn't want to add class(name) to some element but some html somewhere, is that easier doable?
[20:32:43] <luna6>	hello I've just added a new extension, but don't want to go through thousands of pages to add the same call for the extension on article pages...
[20:32:50] <luna6>	is there any easier method to automate this?
[20:33:55] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Warn user, when he edits another person's user page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16997  +comment (10paul.copperman)
[20:33:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Warning on editing other user's userpage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5865  +comment (10paul.copperman)
[20:35:54] <Duesentrieb>	luna6: no.
[20:36:09] <luna6>	ouch
[20:36:30] <luna6>	I have a feeling im going to get carpel tunnel syndrome in the near future
[20:37:23] <RoanKattouw>	luna6: Which extension?
[20:37:40] <luna6>	jskitratings
[20:37:52] <luna6>	extension to add ratings for an article page
[20:38:02] <Rob_Laibach>	Duesentrieb: I need to install the infobox function right?
[20:38:50] <Danny_B>	luna6: use pywikibot
[20:39:46] <luna6>	danny_b could you recommend a page where I can read up on using pywikibot
[20:41:32] <Duesentrieb>	Rob_Laibach: huh? no. ParserFunctions. as i said.
[20:42:42] <Rob_Laibach>	ok i did
[20:42:52] <Rob_Laibach>	added the require once to local settings and all
[20:43:07] <Rob_Laibach>	i looked at the edit pag eof economics
[20:44:33] <Rob_Laibach>	sorry
[20:44:36] <Rob_Laibach>	the view source
[20:46:37] <CIA-58>	03aaron * r45686 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/specialpages/RatingHistory_body.php: Tweak dir and error handling
[20:46:53] <Rob_Laibach>	well the view souce of the 'economics sidebar'
[20:47:06] <Danny_B>	luna6: you can /join #pywikipediabot and they'll be happy to assist you with your needs
[20:47:25] <Danny_B>	i don't use it, i just know it exists and is widely used
[20:47:44] <Rob_Laibach>	and saw this shit that looks close to css...well the top anyway
[20:47:57] <Rob_Laibach>	do i have to create a database or something?
[20:48:04] <Rob_Laibach>	sorry to bug you..but it's just so confusing
[20:48:09] <luna6>	ah thanks danny_b
[20:51:45] <DCC>	Is there a way for me to allow users to make edits / add new pages, but not actually have those edits/pages viewable until they've been reviewed patrolled by sysops or official reviewers?
[20:53:50] <pschloss>	I'm getting a "Failed to parse (Cannot write to or create math temp directory): 2+2" error when I try embedding a formula using a mac.  Any ideas?
[20:54:14] <Danny_B>	DCC: soemthing like viewunpatrolled right?
[20:54:35] <NicDumZ>	pschloss, where?
[20:55:19] <DCC>	like that, except I don't want people who go to the wiki to even see the changes until they have been patrolled and approved
[20:55:25] <pschloss>	NicDumZ, sorry, i have my own wiki i've set up.  everything is out of /Library/WebServer/w/
[20:55:50] <NicDumZ>	pschloss, just making sure it was a local server, and not a Wikimedia problem
[20:56:14] <pschloss>	Nic, I'm pretty sure I have everythign installed right, but somethings obviously wrong
[20:57:03] <NicDumZ>	pschloss, what about the last section of http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual_talk:Math ?
[20:58:09] <NicDumZ>	pschloss, more precisely http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Troubleshooting_math_errors#.22Failed_to_parse_.28Can.27t_write_to_or_create_math_output_directory.29.22 make sure your image directory is writeable by apache
[20:59:22] <pschloss>	Nic, dumb question, how do i change the permission to be writeable by apache?
[21:01:08] <NicDumZ>	chmod +777 ?
[21:02:35] <NicDumZ>	pschloss, http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2963 seems to be a nice guide for MacOS X
[21:05:02] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) One page fails in .m. that works in the general site - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16999 major; normal; Wikipedia Mobile: server; (hcatlin)
[21:05:06] <ilyak_>	Hi *!
[21:05:37] <ilyak_>	How would I make my pywikipedia bot crawl all my mediawiki replacing foo to bar?
[21:05:50] <pschloss>	Nic, thanks, do you know what the group name would be to make it readable by apache?  _www?
[21:05:57] <ilyak_>	python replace.py foo bar results in usage dumping
[21:06:18] <ilyak_>	how to make it actually do things? Do I need mandatory -xml or -page or -cat?
[21:07:57] <Simetrical>	ilyak_, isn't there a #pywikipediabot?
[21:08:02] <ilyak_>	Oh, is there?
[21:08:04] <ilyak_>	Sorry
[21:08:08] <Simetrical>	I don't know.
[21:09:37] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Log for CentralNotice - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16978  +comment (10tfinc)
[21:09:43] <Nikerabbit>	hello Simetrical
[21:11:20] <Simetrical>	pschloss, chmod 777 will make it readable and writable to everyone.  If you want only Apache, you need 775 or 755 or something, and you need to change the group/owner.  To see which owner is needed, try something like: ps u `pgrep 'apache|httpd'` | awk '{print $1}' | sort -u | grep -v 'root\|USER'
[21:11:28] <Simetrical>	(there's probably an easier way to do that)
[21:16:30] <Firejack>	Hello! Big stuck and hope someone can help. My search skills are letting me down. Had some problems with a spam bot so rollback the changes. Now I need someway to delete the page history as there is some nasty stuff remaining. how do i delete it?
[21:16:42] <Firejack>	bit*
[21:17:56] <Duesentrieb>	usually you don't.
[21:18:15] <Duesentrieb>	a history exists to document the history, nasty or not
[21:18:30] <Duesentrieb>	but look at the Nuke and the Oversight extensions
[21:18:52] <Firejack>	i normally don't. but this i really want this gone. horrible language :(
[21:19:01] <Firejack>	where do i look for those?
[21:19:44] <Simetrical>	!nuke
[21:19:44] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "nuke".
[21:19:46] <Simetrical>	!oversight
[21:19:46] --mwbot--	Oversighting removes revisions from access by normal users and sysops. More information is available here: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Oversight>.
[21:20:25] <Firejack>	thanks a lot. i'll go take a look
[21:20:55] <pschloss>	thanks all, i guess the group was wheel
[21:22:02] <Simetrical>	Um.
[21:22:51] <Simetrical>	The group of your webserver shouldn't be wheel.
[21:22:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add 'suppressredirect' group permission for sysops on de.wp - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16856  +comment (10church.of.emacs.ml)
[21:26:10] <Firejack>	another question. in order to prevent spam in the future. i've set my wiki group permissions so you have to be a registered user to edit. is there anyway to approve/deny who registers?
[21:31:49] <Duesentrieb>	!spam | Firejack
[21:31:49] --mwbot--	Firejack: For information about combating and handling spam in MediaWiki, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Combating_spam> and <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Anti-spam_Features>.
[21:31:53] <Duesentrieb>	!access | Firejack
[21:31:53] --mwbot--	Firejack: For information on customizing user access, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights>. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access>.
[21:32:01] <Duesentrieb>	@search account
[21:32:01] --mwbot--	Results: [centralauth, renameuser, userapproval]
[21:32:11] <Duesentrieb>	!userapproval | Firejack
[21:32:11] --mwbot--	Firejack: To require approval before accounts can edit, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmAccount>. Alternatively, remove edit rights from all users, and create a new user group like "approved" with edit rights; a bureaucrat can then assign users to the "approved" group to allow them to edit. For more information about the alternative, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/He
[21:35:20] <Firejack>	awesome thanks. that looks just like what i was looking for. i'll go give it a try :)
[21:45:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add 'suppressredirect' group permission for sysops on de.wp - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16856  (10paul.copperman)
[21:45:51] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special:RevisionDelete does not check for database lock. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17000 major; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (stevend811)
[21:47:17] <FunPika>	Patch attached to 17000
[21:48:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:RevisionDelete does not check for database lock. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17000  major->normal;  +patch (10raimond.spekking)
[21:50:30] <Prodego>	that seems pretty major to me
[21:51:34] <FunPika>	same here
[21:53:04] <Rob_Laibach>	whats the name of the file to edit css?
[21:53:15] <FunPika>	mediawiki:common.css
[21:53:17] <Prodego>	Rob_Laibach: depends
[21:53:39] <Rob_Laibach>	ok on the default skin css
[21:53:50] <Rob_Laibach>	it's in the common folder
[21:53:52] <Rob_Laibach>	common.css?
[21:54:04] <FunPika>	you should edit the appropriate mediawiki: page
[21:54:31] <Rob_Laibach>	yea but i'm actually copying the code for a right hand sidebar
[21:54:36] <Rob_Laibach>	and i noticed under a <div tag
[21:54:39] <Rob_Laibach>	class=navbar
[21:54:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Recent change unavailable, and other special pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16940  (10brion)
[21:54:55] <Rob_Laibach>	that leads to the wiki css doesn't it?
[21:55:01] <FunPika>	yes....
[21:55:11] <FunPika>	but it can be edited in the mediawiki interface
[21:55:21] <Rob_Laibach>	how
[21:55:31] <Jim2342345>	hi all...
[21:55:34] <FunPika>	goto MediaWiki:Common.css
[21:55:37] <FunPika>	and edit that
[21:55:42] <FunPika>	or MediaWiki:Skinname.csss
[21:55:49] <FunPika>	*MediaWiki:Skinname.css
[21:56:09] <Jim2342345>	i want to stylize my user name when it appears in the Recent Changes... how is it done?
[21:57:33] <Prodego>	Jim2342345: hmm, that isn't really possible
[21:57:50] <Jim2342345>	but i hv seen i guess
[21:58:04] <Jim2342345>	or may be thats only possible in signatures
[22:05:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Recent change unavailable, and other special pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16940  (10antoinedelarue)
[22:06:10] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Allow Inputbox to accept templates as well as pages for its parameters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17001 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Inputbox; (FT2.wiki)
[22:07:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Allow Inputbox to accept templates as well as pages for its parameters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17001  +comment (10FT2.wiki)
[22:10:49] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Allow parameter "edit summary" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17002 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Inputbox; (FT2.wiki)
[22:11:04] <Marybelle>	MrZ-man: The point is for admins to be able to do without being in the bot group (like &bot=1 on Special:Contributions).
[22:11:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow parameter "edit summary" in an Inputbox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17002  summary (10FT2.wiki)
[22:11:54] <Marybelle>	MrZ-man: Something like a new markbotaction right.
[22:12:19] <Dantman|Work>	Jim2342345, personal css
[22:12:21] <MrZ-man>	how would that work? they'd have to add &bot=1 to every action=delete URL
[22:17:29] <Jim2342345>	what should I change in the personal CSS?
[22:26:17] <Danny_B>	anybody familiar with $wgActionPaths? the manual seems to be way so vague. i wonder if i can set "localized" action names so eg. /wiki/editovat/<pagename> (edit) /wiki/sledovat/<pagename> (watch) etc...
[22:28:32] <Marybelle>	MrZ-man: Yeah, or use the API. I was thinking this would be more of an API-only thing.
[22:28:44] <Marybelle>	Similar to how 'move without redirect' started.
[22:28:53] <Marybelle>	If somebody wants to build it into the interface later, fine.
[22:29:19] <MrZ-man>	well, reopen the bug and clarify it :P
[22:29:47] <Marybelle>	Bah, you closed it?
[22:29:56] *Marybelle 	stabs.
[22:35:50] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Should be possible to mark actions (delete, protect, etc.) as bot - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16816  +comment (10public)
[22:35:55] <Marybelle>	MrZ-man: ^
[22:36:10] <Charitwo>	:D
[22:41:45] <what>	does anyone have any advice on removing a large number of articles from a mediawiki database? Basically I'm trying to eliminate articles that do not contain certain keywords
[22:44:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Should be possible to mark actions (delete, protect, etc.) as bot - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16816  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[22:46:44] <RoanKattouw>	Danny_B: Well the idea is that /wiki/MyPage/edit is rewritten to /w/index.php?title=MyPage&action=edit (internally by MW, of course, not by Apache)
[22:47:13] <RoanKattouw>	So you can't localize the action names with this
[22:47:19] <RoanKattouw>	(you could with an extension of course)
[22:47:51] <RoanKattouw>	Danny_B: Oops, that should be /wiki/edit/PageName , sorry
[22:48:06] <Danny_B>	i thought about putting some transform table to localsettings?
[22:48:26] <RoanKattouw>	Oh wait it doesn't even do what I said fully
[22:48:50] <RoanKattouw>	All it does is *link* to /whateveraction/pagename , but it doesn't actually *handle* those links, you need Apache to do that
[22:49:02] <RoanKattouw>	So basically, you need Apache to rewrite incoming links, MW only rewrites outgoing links
[22:49:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Recent change unavailable, and other special pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16940  (10siebrand)
[22:51:46] <RoanKattouw>	Argh, Revision::getText() and friends suck. You can't really tell the difference between an empty rev and a rev whose text you can't view, returns an empty string in both cases
[22:52:22] <CIA-58>	03charlie * r45687 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/RecentChange.php): 
[22:52:22] <CIA-58>	Fix a problem with a protected class method that brought up an error, and also
[22:52:22] <CIA-58>	fixed a typo in the release notes.
[22:54:37] <chuck>	I just had to fix a bug with RecentChange.php where a method was protected, yet it was being called from LogPage, I hope that's okay
[22:54:42] <chuck>	I changed it to public
[23:02:40] <Danny_B>	RoanKattouw: right. so how can i rewrite them to "localized" forms.putting the number of rewrite rules in htaccess for incoming way is pretty easy
[23:03:42] <RoanKattouw>	Danny_B: There is a hook you can use to add actions. Using that, you could easily add action=bearbeiten and in its handler just call the action=edit handler
[23:04:27] <RoanKattouw>	Danny_B: The $wgActionPaths manual page even mentiones a generic RewriteRule that rewrites /action/whatever to index.php?action=whatever
[23:06:46] <Danny_B>	RoanKattouw: rewrite rules are not prob. ;-) i just didn't get how to set mw to eg. the edit tab would link to /wiki/bearbeiten/<pagename>
[23:07:17] <RoanKattouw>	Well for outgoing links I don't how how to do it
[23:07:49] <RoanKattouw>	My suggestion only handles incoming /bearbeiten/ links, but outgoing links will still have /edit/
[23:07:54] <RoanKattouw>	I don't know whether that's changeable
[23:11:11] <RoanKattouw>	Oh wait of course, this is much simpler than I though
[23:11:13] <RoanKattouw>	t
[23:11:34] <RoanKattouw>	$wgActionPaths['edit'] = '/wiki/bearbeiten/$1'; will do
[23:15:17] <Danny_B>	will try
[23:17:03] *RoanKattouw 	should really get some sleep
[23:18:18] <Danny_B>	weird. i really wonder what am i doing wrong.simple adding of this line to localsettings crashes the wiki.
[23:19:01] <Danny_B>	i get empty page
[23:20:27] <Danny_B>	ah, it seems like server cache sending me still the old content. i tried another link and it works. thanks RoanKattouw and gn
[23:41:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add Revision Diff functionality to API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13209  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[23:41:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add Revision Diff functionality to API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13209   +need-review (10roan.kattouw)
[23:41:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add Revision Diff functionality to API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13209  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[23:43:19] <RoanKattouw>	brion: Could you please review the patch on bug 13209 (add diff functionality to API) for performance? At the very least, I'd like your opinion on the performance considerations mentioned in comment #20
[23:43:36] <brion>	lemme peek
[23:44:29] <brion>	"** this means at most 150/1500 diffs are generated in one request" wtf?
[23:44:43] <RoanKattouw>	Too much? :P
[23:44:56] <Prodego>	brion: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17000
[23:45:09] <RoanKattouw>	(If you read on, you'll see a third of those are highly likely to be in cache)
[23:46:47] <brion>	i can't think of any situation in which i think it would be good to be able to ask for 1500 diffs at once
[23:46:48] <brion>	or 500 :)
[23:46:58] <brion>	i'm still not really sure why multiple at once is desirable
[23:47:01] <brion>	and pretty sure it's not
[23:47:57] <MrZ-man>	there's a limit on the length of API output, isn't there?
[23:48:11] <RoanKattouw>	MrZ-man: No, that's still in a patch on a bug somewhere
[23:48:21] <MrZ-man>	ah, I though that got implmented at some time
[23:48:25] <RoanKattouw>	But the patch is huge and out of date, so applying it takes a lot of time
[23:48:53] <RoanKattouw>	brion: IIRC, it was for rollback popups so people can see what they're rolling back before they do
[23:49:04] <RoanKattouw>	Wanted to request a couple of diffs in advance to reduce load time
[23:49:21] <RoanKattouw>	But, of course, if you say it ain't happening, it ain't happening
[23:50:26] <brion>	yeah i really wouldn't want that. we have enough trouble with the diffs in the RSS feeds, especially on third-party sites with no diff speed-up plugin
[23:51:10] <RoanKattouw>	Alright then, I'll close the bug. Waste of all the work I put in it, though :( but life's a bitch :P
[23:51:17] <brion>	sorry :(
[23:54:11] <brion>	RoanKattouw: commented w/ a couple notes
[23:54:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add Revision Diff functionality to API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13209  (10brion)
[23:56:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add Revision Diff functionality to API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13209  (10roan.kattouw)
[23:58:20] <CIA-58>	03demon * r45688 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialUpload.php: 
[23:58:20] <CIA-58>	Remove this ucfirst() crap. $filtered is already a DB key, so it should've been
[23:58:20] <CIA-58>	normalized at Title construction anyway (and if it wasn't, that's Title's
[23:58:20] <CIA-58>	fault). Fwiw: we're throwing a dismissable error every time $wgCapitalLinks is
[23:58:20] <CIA-58>	enabled and a lowercase name is submitted. Why bother? We handle this silently
[23:58:22] <CIA-58>	everywhere else...