[00:00:07] <gbruin>	hey all
[00:01:50] <Pathoschild>	Mike||gone: A dupe of which bug?
[00:02:39] <Mike||gone>	I'm looking, hence the '...' :P
[00:02:59] <Mike||gone>	I found https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17016 but that's not quite the same
[00:04:14] <Pathoschild>	Hm, seems to be the same bug.
[00:04:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) option to block people for sending emails to OTRS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15793  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[00:04:54] <Mike||gone>	Pathoschild can do the honours.
[00:06:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Sanitizer rejects identifies valid xhtml attributes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17031  +comment (10brion)
[00:07:25] <MrZ-man>	Mike||gone: that should probably be /from/ sending
[00:08:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Prettify permalinks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16659  (10dlancaster1)
[00:08:15] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) option to block people from sending emails to OTRS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15793  summary; +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[00:12:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Sanitizer rejects identifies valid xhtml attributes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17031  (10gbruin)
[00:14:24] <Simetrical>	AaronSchulz, "Move up user page noindex check" is really not a useful commit message.  Why?  What problem did you observe that made this seem like a good idea, and how does it fix it?  Anyone reading the commit will see *what* you did.  The commit message needs to explain *why*.
[00:15:13] <Simetrical>	90% of your commit messages are like that, and as far as I'm concerned, anyway, it makes it impossible for me to tell whether any of your commits do anything or make any sense.
[00:16:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Page creation notification email is sent when a watched page is deleted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17016  +comment (10pathoschild+wmbugs)
[00:16:54] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Enotif sends incorrect page-created notice on page deletion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17030  +comment (10pathoschild+wmbugs)
[00:22:30] <Aaron|away>	brion: hmm tabindex acting odd on FF :/
[00:32:13] <brion>	:P
[00:36:23] <Aaron|away>	brion: has them in the right order but doesn't get to them until after everything else
[00:38:02] <TimStarling>	leons seems to have his head on the right way
[00:38:34] *brion 	waves at TimStarling 
[00:38:41] <TimStarling>	hi brion
[00:40:07] <TimStarling>	another hot day here today, 37 already at terrey hills
[00:45:36] <brion>	damn
[00:45:37] <brion>	that's hot
[00:51:44] <Simetrical>	How often is the phrase "that's hot" actually used literally?
[00:51:58] <OverlordQ>	i used it today
[00:53:18] <Splarka>	literally as in using one single definition of 'hot' pertaining to temperature?
[00:53:34] <werdnum>	hello TimStarling 
[00:53:41] <werdnum>	TimStarling: I made it to the office!
[00:53:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Prettify permalinks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16659  (10danny.b)
[00:53:47] *werdnum 	is learning how to use a mac.
[00:53:51] <TimStarling>	well done
[00:55:27] <Splarka>	"Wanna buy this stereo?" "Nah, that's hot" "Nuh uh, I didn't steal it."
[00:55:44] <Splarka>	"Which wire can I touch? the red one? "That's hot!" "oh"
[00:55:49] *TimStarling 	checks http://www.rfs.nsw.gov.au/dsp_content.cfm?CAT_ID=683 to make sure he's not going to get burnt down while busy programming
[00:56:30] *Splarka 	thinks those are as literal as something like a place or time being "hot"...
[00:59:04] <HappyDog>	Surely literal is more like "It was the hottest of times, it was the coldest of times..."
[00:59:17] <TimStarling>	I think that's literary
[00:59:55] <HappyDog>	Good point.  It's LITERALLY literary.
[01:00:25] <brion>	i am literally metaphorically sick of misuse of "literally"
[01:01:13] <p858snake>	werdnum: what are you doing at the MW offices?
[01:01:38] <HappyDog>	There are too many people who use 'literally' when they mean 'actually'.
[01:01:46] <HappyDog>	Or just ''!
[01:02:01] <HappyDog>	(or perhaps 'literary', if you're me...)
[01:04:37] <TimStarling>	my year 9 english teacher liked to tell a story about someone using "literally" incorrectly
[01:04:37] <TimStarling>	apparently someone told an assembled group of teachers that positions in a certain field had been "literally decimated"
[01:04:38] <HappyDog>	divided by 10?
[01:04:38] <TimStarling>	which means one in every ten had their heads cut off
[01:04:38] <Subfader>	special pages don't read the page views, are they counted to the total statistic anyway?
[01:04:38] <HappyDog>	literally divided... :-)
[01:04:38] <werdnum>	p858snake: working?
[01:05:03] <Subfader>	logic tells me yes but i need ensurance ;)
[01:05:09] <brion>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimation_(Roman_army) O_O
[01:07:02] <Subfader>	in the past moths i asked the same question 3 times already. nobody seems to know :D
[01:08:15] <Subfader>	i'm calculating the daily page views for my site from Special:Statistics, so i just want to know i it's accurate
[01:08:31] <paran>	I just followed the instructions to set Short_URL like http://server/wiki/. How can I make apache redirect http://server/ to /wiki/ ?
[01:09:17] <brion>	Subfader: it may or may not be accurate, depending on your site, how it's configured, and what you're trying to count
[01:10:22] <Subfader>	e.g. i note down the total page vies number every sunday and divide the diference by 7 so i get the average page views for that week
[01:11:13] <HappyDog>	Brion: Pretty damn harsh!  "each group cast lots ...the soldier on whom the lot fell was executed by his nine comrades".
[01:11:41] <brion>	Subfader: that's probably pretty decent figure for a basic wiki site :)
[01:12:11] <brion>	if you want lots of details you might prefer something fancier like local log analysis or a tool like Google Analytics, though
[01:12:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Autolink URLs in CodeReview SVN commit messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17011  (10brion)
[01:12:57] <Subfader>	nah just care about that to see if interest is growing. google analytics slows down the page load
[01:13:12] <brion>	*nod*
[01:13:24] <Subfader>	i'm proud of my 12 million page view in 2 years :P
[01:14:27] <Aaron|away>	http://bytes.com/groups/css/587691-float-right-goes-next-line *stab*
[01:15:11] <brion>	well
[01:17:13] <Subfader>	and i don't want to install local analytics if the info i need can easily be calculated. IF every page view is counted in the total like special pages
[01:17:20] <Subfader>	and search reults etc
[01:17:39] <brion>	you coul dleft-float the left part
[01:17:49] <brion>	but honestly this is where i usually give up and make it a table ;)
[01:18:17] <Subfader>	it makes no difference for a tendence but would be nice if it's accurate. so nobody knows??
[01:18:57] <Aaron|away>	brion: table makes ugly white background and tis hard to align the button the the right
[01:19:11] <Aaron|away>	hmm, moving a button to the right can not be this hard
[01:19:41] <brion>	 align=right on the td?
[01:19:46] <brion>	borderr can be tweaked out...
[01:19:53] <brion>	heh
[01:20:00] <Aaron|away>	align=right doesn't work
[01:20:14] <brion>	Subfader: special pages, edits, old views etc are not counted iirc
[01:20:22] <Aaron|away>	kind of works with td width at 100%
[01:20:23] <brion>	just plain page views
[01:20:41] <Aaron|away>	but the table has double height, with a line of whitespace
[01:21:02] <brion>	i think table width 100% and then don't need to label width on the cells will do
[01:21:17] <brion>	that whitespace can probably be cleared out, might just be some extra paras or somethign floating around?
[01:21:20] <Subfader>	ok then Special:Statistics is very unclear about it. thanks though
[01:23:05] <Subfader>	i suppose total is just a sum of all single output view counts.
[01:24:48] <p858snake>	does special:statistics still display the little "*" symbols?
[01:28:30] <Aaron|away>	brion: ok, now too much space between 'save' and 'reset'
[01:29:25] <brion>	put them in the same cell?
[01:30:08] <brion>	Subfader: yeah, i believe it bumps the global page view the same time it bumps individual page counts
[01:30:13] <Aaron|away>	feels odd, but works
[01:30:28] <brion>	heh
[01:30:59] <Subfader>	kk just means more page views for me :D
[01:32:27] <CIA-66>	03aaron * r45761 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialPreferences.php: 
[01:32:27] <CIA-66>	* Convert prefsubmit div into a table to fix tab indexing
[01:32:27] <CIA-66>	* Fix XHTML
[01:42:22] <CIA-66>	03aaron * r45762 10/trunk/phase3/includes/LogPage.php: Use new notifyRC2UDP() function in LogPage to avoid duplicated code
[01:46:09] <brion>	ok i gotta skip out for now; i'll peek back in at some point perhaps 
[01:46:11] <brion>	see y'all
[02:03:45] *TimStarling 	discovers ctags
[02:04:13] <TimStarling>	to think I've been using gvim all this time without knowing about it
[02:04:18] *Charitwo 	gives TimStarling a congratulatory cigar
[02:04:50] <TimStarling>	shit, it's awesome
[02:05:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) One sees a page as it appeared BEFORE an edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5311  +comment (10public)
[02:10:49] <p858snake>	^^i've noticed that as well >.>
[02:11:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) One sees a page as it appeared BEFORE an edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5311  +comment (10tstarling)
[02:13:51] <Administrator_>	i wanted to make an extension or hack that would record when a user viewed each page in the wiki - has anyone in here done something like that?
[02:14:25] <Administrator_>	i basically want to just print the date time and $wgUser
[02:20:17] <Splarka>	easiest is to make an off-site tool that serves a 1x1 pixel image
[02:20:27] <Splarka>	and then set the src to include the date/time/page/user
[02:22:27] <Splarka>	if(wgUserName) addOnloadHook(function() {
[02:22:27] <Splarka>	  var bug = document.createElement('img');   bug.setAttribute('src','http://your.server/logger.php?user=' + encodeURIComponent(wgUserName)) + '&page=' + encodeURIComponent(wgPageName)) );   document.body.appendChild(bug);
[02:22:27] <Splarka>	});
[02:22:29] <Splarka>	something like that
[02:23:04] <Splarka>	and write logger.php to echo a 1x1 px gif, and record the parameters and time
[02:23:32] <Splarka>	you could hard-code it as an extension too, that wouldn't rely on JS
[02:27:42] <macjunkie>	i'm trying to get texvc working with mediawiki and i'm getting error about the math directory not beign writeable i've confirmed that wiki/math and wiki/tmp are chmod 777 and owned by apache still seeing same thing enabled debug logging
[02:28:17] <macjunkie>	and it shows  /math/6/f/5 as not being writeable which i don't get 
[02:33:17] <macjunkie>	nm figured it out
[02:36:46] <Administrator_>	splarka: that's a novel idea.  I thought that $wgUsername was not used anymore and replaced by the User:: class - is that true?
[02:37:09] <Splarka>	wgUserName is the javascript variable name
[02:37:23] <Splarka>	defined in the top <script>
[02:37:56] <Splarka>	it is defined via:
[02:37:56] <Splarka>	          'wgUserName' => $wgUser->isAnon() ? NULL : $wgUser->getName(),
[02:42:13] <navap>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skinning/Example is for an old version of the skin correct?
[02:43:06] <navap>	Whether it is, or isn't, my real question is, what does fixalpha() do?
[02:43:54] <navap>	Because viewing the wiki in Chrome/Safari makes the left sidebar stretch all the way to the bottom, and I believe it is that piece of javascript that is doing it.
[02:44:02] <CIA-66>	03yaron * r45763 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticResultFormats/SRF_Settings.php: Updated version and authors list
[02:45:40] <navap>	Opera/IE/FF are all fine.
[02:47:20] <antitree>	I'm missing something - the first script is setting the img to have the attributes of username, date, etc but how am I able to collect that from an third party server?
[02:48:22] <Splarka>	the third party server can see the src="" URI request parameters
[02:48:45] <Splarka>	what server side scripting languages are you preferential to? php/pl/cgi/asp/etc?
[02:48:53] <antitree>	ah which I'm collecting and logging
[02:49:04] <antitree>	php
[02:49:15] <Splarka>	well, you could just log the URL yah, but you could parse and log it too, to save space and future calculation
[02:49:36] <antitree>	right
[02:50:32] <antitree>	yea the more i'm thinking it through the more that's a great idea
[02:50:38] <Splarka>	a quick time thingy is just... var d = new Date();
[02:50:46] <Splarka>	and then d.getTime() gives you the epoch time
[02:50:47] <antitree>	but is there anyways I could just give it an absolute path the local server so I didn't have to serve it up
[02:51:08] <antitree>	externally
[02:51:31] <Splarka>	you should be able to src it anyway you want
[02:52:26] <Splarka>	protocol://server/path/script.php  or ://server/path/script.php or /path/script.php or script.php or even ../otherpath/script.php (note that using relative paths in mediawiki for external stuff can behave oddly with short URL schemas)
[02:52:37] <Splarka>	or is that not what you meant?
[02:53:30] <antitree>	yea exactly - I wouldn't want to mess around with relative paths.  Where in media wiki do I need to place that image reference?
[02:54:02] <Splarka>	I mean, you could hack mediawiki to log every visit, but mediawiki is optimized around scaling with cache. With this method you can make a dedicated script or even a dedicated remote machine to do the logging, and if it fails then there is little impact on your wiki or the users if the logging overloads something.
[02:54:13] <Splarka>	oh, in your site JS
[02:54:25] <Splarka>	a page titled [[MediaWiki:Common.js]]
[02:54:34] <Splarka>	hmm, you might wanna also log other info
[02:54:44] <Splarka>	like wgAction (view, edit, history, etc)
[03:00:10] <antitree>	i don't need to log the other actions because they'er already logged - just who is reading the pages
[03:00:22] <Splarka>	right 
[03:00:24] <Splarka>	'reading'
[03:00:27] <antitree>	what do you mean common.js - is that in the includes folder
[03:00:31] <Splarka>	but they might be editing, looking at the history, etc
[03:00:44] <Splarka>	suggest:
[03:00:52] <Splarka>	if(wgUserName && wgAction == 'view') addOnloadHook(function() {
[03:00:56] <Splarka>	heh
[03:01:02] <Splarka>	antitree: not a file...
[03:01:54] <Splarka>	!hs
[03:01:54] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "hs". You might try: !rewriteproblems !subpages 
[03:01:55] <Splarka>	!js
[03:01:55] --mwbot--	To set up custom javascript on a wiki, edit the page called [[MediaWiki:Common.js]] (NOT a file, a page on your wiki, which is included via <script>) as a sysop. If $wgAllowUserJs is true in LocalSettings.php, you may also edit the /monobook.js (assuming your skin is monobook) subpage of your userpage.
[03:01:59] <Splarka>	typwned
[03:03:17] <antitree>	haha hmm ok
[03:12:23] <antitree>	ok - I still don't understand.  where do i find the mediawiki:common.js
[03:12:24] <|X|>	Urgh
[03:12:29] *|X| 	is getting an Empty $wgTitle in OutputPage::parse error
[03:17:15] <Splarka>	antitree: it is deceptively simple but exceedingly esoteric
[03:17:52] <Splarka>	clicking your logo probably goes to a page like index.php/Main_Page, or &title=Main_Page (linked via [[Main Page]]) yah?
[03:18:29] <antitree>	there we are
[03:18:32] <antitree>	thank you
[03:19:30] <Splarka>	the javascript you wanna serve is put into an editable (by sysops) page called [[MediaWiki:Common.js]], simple! but odd for people who have administered any other type of server
[03:21:24] <antitree>	yep - i took the short bus but I got it. 
[03:23:51] <DeoFavente>	i got a question - i know nothing of php so i made an extension for mediawiki in java and a simple client in php, can i make a page for this on the mediawiki site?
[03:26:45] <DeoFavente>	anyone?
[03:33:22] <DeoFavente>	what if i said something like, Mediawiki really stands for: Multi-Enhanced Dedicated Internet Advanced Wide Integrated Knowledge Integrator
[03:35:03] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backronym
[03:35:30] <Pinky>	19:24 <+Pinky> !cyborg mediawiki
[03:35:30] <Pinky>	19:24 <@PinkServ`> Pinky: M.E.D.I.A.W.I.K.I.: Mechanical Electronic Device Intended  for Assassination, Worldwide Infiltration and Kamikaze Investigation
[03:35:35] <Pinky>	I kinda like that one
[03:35:51] <DeoFavente>	nice
[03:37:03] <DeoFavente>	i still have my previous question though
[03:37:52] *|X| 	wants to know what IRC server that was on
[03:37:52] <Splarka>	Deo: start a user subpage maybe
[03:38:01] <DeoFavente>	so it can be written in java?
[03:38:07] <HappyDog>	Create a new page in the extension namespace at MediaWiki.org
[03:38:17] <DeoFavente>	ok cool
[03:38:22] <DeoFavente>	thanks
[03:38:41] <HappyDog>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:Extension#Create_a_new_extension_article
[03:38:46] <Splarka>	well, I mean, user subpages make good sandboxes
[03:39:03] <Splarka>	you could then start writing while you sit here for a month waiting for an answer to your question
[03:39:55] <Splarka>	you might even find someone willing to port it to php for you
[03:40:44] <OverlordQ>	an extension in java? how does that work?
[03:40:57] <DeoFavente>	i made a php client for it
[03:42:01] <DeoFavente>	uses exec() then puts the output onto the special page, the output of the java program is already html
[04:41:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) HTML tags choke templates with parameters, because of a "=" ( regardless of being masked by <nowiki>) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5138  +comment (10droll)
[04:42:50] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) One article listed multiple times on Newpages, Recentchanges and Contributions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1243  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[04:47:32] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Phantom autocreated CentralAuth accounts on some Wikimedia wikis? - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17032 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; ()
[04:53:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Phantom autocreated CentralAuth accounts on some Wikimedia wikis? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17032  (10herd)
[05:07:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) One page fails in .m. that works in the general site - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16999  (10hcatlin)
[05:28:33] <RickZilla>	What's the code for floating the contents box to the right?
[05:29:05] <Prodego>	float:right ?
[05:30:08] <RickZilla>	That must be it...just found it...I thought there was some other code earlier
[05:30:10] <p858snake>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:TOCright&action=edit
[05:31:03] <p858snake>	thats how it is done on en.wikipedia
[05:32:04] <Prodego>	RickZilla: if you want html or css that is different, but since you are in #mediawiki... :)
[05:32:13] <Prodego>	well actually css isn't different
[05:33:11] <RickZilla>	Nope, just the code that actually goes on the page
[05:35:34] <RickZilla>	hmmm...guess I'm not getting it
[05:35:43] <Prodego>	RickZilla: linky?
[05:35:48] <RickZilla>	I try both with the {{ }} and without, and it's not working right
[05:36:08] <RickZilla>	http://www.rickscheibner.net/wiki/index.php?title=2009_PLC_Dufour_conference
[05:37:10] <Prodego>	ah you want to float the TOC
[05:38:00] <RickZilla>	Did I say something different?
[05:38:23] <Prodego>	RickZilla: I probably misunderstood
[05:38:25] <Prodego>	use <div align="right">__TOC__</div>
[05:40:02] <p858snake>	It would probably be easily to create a template that does it (see up ^^) and then used that on the page(/s) since that would allow easy updating and such
[05:40:35] <Prodego>	yep, but the template can just have that
[05:40:51] <Prodego>	p858snake: can you think of any reason to float instead of align? Probably align is better for the TOC
[05:41:38] <p858snake>	isn't align just for text or something
[05:41:49] <RickZilla>	Does MW pick up div tags?
[05:41:59] <RickZilla>	I thought it didn't
[05:42:04] <RickZilla>	I'll try it, though
[05:42:09] <Prodego>	yep, it does, and it will work
[05:42:17] *Prodego 	is positive
[05:42:18] <RickZilla>	k....just anywhere in the template?
[05:42:33] <Prodego>	replace TOCright
[05:42:33] <RickZilla>	I mean...anywhere on the page?
[05:42:47] <Prodego>	(assuming that is where you want the TOC
[05:42:49] <Prodego>	)
[05:42:52] <RickZilla>	ok
[05:44:19] <RickZilla>	Yeah....not really.  It's floating it to the right, but I'd like it to float with the text.  Take a look again.  http://www.rickscheibner.net/wiki/index.php?title=2009_PLC_Dufour_conference
[05:44:48] <RickZilla>	Plus, what happens when somebody edits that text?  I thought there was some code that goes at the very top of the page that takes care of all of that...I might be wrong though
[05:44:51] <Prodego>	ok one second
[05:45:13] <Prodego>	<div style="float:right">__TOC__</div>
[05:45:17] <Prodego>	RickZilla: use that ^^
[05:45:33] <Prodego>	it should have a ; in there, but tidy will fix it
[05:45:42] <Prodego>	<div style="float:right;">__TOC__</div>
[05:45:50] <p858snake>	if its the last thing it dosn't need one
[05:46:06] <RickZilla>	That works...thanks a ton for the help.
[05:46:13] <p858snake>	its only if something its after it, it looks at it as a seperator
[05:46:29] <RickZilla>	I'll lose it again when I upload from OOo, but I've got it working now
[05:46:55] <Prodego>	p858snake: I like to be neat
[05:46:58] <RickZilla>	I really dig that mediwiki extension for OOo...it's been quite useful the last few days
[05:49:14] <p858snake>	Prodego: if you wanted neat you wouldn't be using inline css >.>
[05:53:31] <Prodego>	p858snake: have a better way? could use a template, but it would be the same code
[05:55:09] <p858snake>	css into the Mediawiki: whatever.css file and then its just <div id="name">contents</div>
[05:55:21] <RickZilla>	Right...inline css isn't the best, but it works this way...I hadn't thought to use it...I have seen some code at the top that's not html or css, so I'll need to google that some time when I get a chance
[05:59:09] <Prodego>	p858snake: which is messier as far as keeping stuff in one place goes
[06:00:01] <Splarka>	"that's not html or css"
[06:00:02] <Splarka>	heh
[06:00:11] <Splarka>	{| style="float:right;"
[06:00:15] <Splarka>	||__TOC__
[06:00:18] <Splarka>	semantics
[06:01:24] <Prodego>	ewww, tables
[06:01:49] <p858snake>	no because it produces less code in a page for something your likely going to reuse, and plus you can do put each object on a new line and do nice indentation and such
[06:01:58] <Splarka>	...
[06:02:31] <Splarka>	it was a joke, that is a method without inline html or site-wide css
[06:02:51] <Splarka>	but the end result will be one or the other, no matter how you do it
[06:02:55] <p858snake>	not you Splarka 
[06:03:05] <Splarka>	ahh
[06:03:07] <p858snake>	that was in reply in Prodego about one place
[06:03:13] *Splarka 	floats p858 to the left
[06:03:45] *p858snake 	sets Splarka to "max-height:1px;"
[06:03:53] <Prodego>	the real end of it is that so long as you get the table where you want, who cares how you do it
[06:05:08] <Splarka>	I once checked anb found like 8 separate TocRight type templates on en.wp, most later became redirects to one
[06:05:17] <Splarka>	^and, finger malfunction
[06:07:56] <p858snake>	theres a few (view-edit-history-talk) ect ones on en.wikipedia =( most are hardcoded to namespaces which is a pitty
[06:15:16] <mathieu>	howdy!
[06:18:17] <mathieu>	a user edited an article using a username that is nowhere to be found on the users list or even on the data base ?!? possible hack?
[06:19:27] <mathieu>	MediaWiki considered the edit as vandalism and displayed the IP address
[06:20:37] <p858snake>	was the page imported from somewhere?
[06:20:54] <mathieu>	yes
[06:20:59] <p858snake>	check there
[06:21:04] <mathieu>	ok
[06:21:52] <mathieu>	oh! there he is :)
[06:22:52] <mathieu>	thanks!
[06:25:26] <mathieu>	let's see.. Why is there a connection with the page on my wiki and  the original page on (in that case) Wikipedia? Is that normal?
[06:31:14] <gongoputch>	is there a export-entire-wiki and an import-entir-wiki fintion?
[06:31:22] <gongoputch>	function even
[06:31:48] <p858snake>	gongoputch: you would need to use database dumps for that
[06:32:22] <gongoputch>	I am truly miserable with mysql
[06:32:24] <gongoputch>	:(
[06:49:17] <mathieu>	does anyone know the very first script to access my server through ssh? can't remember what it is
[06:49:54] <yksinaisyyteni>	i don't understand what you're asking
[06:53:14] <mathieu>	sorry :( I'm on Terminal (Mac) and would like to access my server. Should I simply enter the IP address?
[06:53:32] <yksinaisyyteni>	didn't you ask this yesterday?  you probably want "ssh username@hostname"
[06:53:40] <yksinaisyyteni>	(replace 'username' and 'hostname' with the username and hostname..)
[06:53:57] <mathieu>	yep. I'm writing this down now.
[06:54:47] <mathieu>	"ssh IPaddress" works too
[06:57:10] <CIA-66>	03tstarling * r45764 10/trunk/phase3/ (11 files in 6 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[06:57:10] <CIA-66>	For backport to 1.14.
[06:57:11] <CIA-66>	* Made the upgrader work with SQLite
[06:57:11] <CIA-66>	* Implemented missing schema info functionality in DatabaseSqlite
[06:57:11] <CIA-66>	* Merged the SQLite and MySQL schemas into the one file with the help of some replaceVars() hacks.
[06:57:14] <CIA-66>	* Moved all primary key definitions to the field definition, moved all indexes to CREATE INDEX statements, for best SQLite compatibility.
[06:57:17] <CIA-66>	* Made all autoincrement fields primary keys, as required by SQLite.
[06:59:12] <TimStarling>	you'll note that I did not refactor anything
[06:59:25] <TimStarling>	absolutely minimal
[07:25:40] *chalcedony 	smiles
[07:26:31] <chalcedony>	maybe i'm being dumb... how can i copy large parts from one mediawiki page to another? is there a way to move the whole thing to another page name to work on it?
[07:30:26] <p858snake>	copy and paste?
[07:33:18] <chalcedony>	i was hoping there was an easier method
[07:33:29] <chalcedony>	i use vim.. i just make a new name for the file and go on
[07:34:10] <Splarka>	you could export and import it, but that isn't easier than copy/paste unless it is a few hundred K... I find
[07:35:25] <chalcedony>	guess i'll try pasting
[07:35:28] <chalcedony>	its long
[07:44:26] <mathieu>	good night
[08:11:30] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Factbox does not show in SMW 1.4.1 running on MW 1.13.3 - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17023  +comment (10markus)
[09:11:09] <Nikerabbit>	PHP Catchable fatal error:  Object of class RSSFeed could not be converted to string in /var/www/w/includes/normal/UtfNormal.php on line 221
[09:13:02] <Nikerabbit>	I hate crashing browsers
[09:13:19] <Nikerabbit>	can someone check this is not regression in the api?
[09:22:00] <Duesentrieb>	Nikerabbit: where can i see what output formats betwawiki supports? and who would i ask about adding another?
[09:27:35] <Duesentrieb>	hm, 1.14 has been branched, but there'S no RC yet?
[09:33:00] <Nikerabbit>	duesentrieb: output? same as input
[09:33:25] <Duesentrieb>	Nikerabbit: hm?... i meanwhat it can export to. can it write java property files?
[09:33:45] <Nikerabbit>	two way changes would be hard without both
[09:33:46] <Duesentrieb>	oh yes, it seems it can...
[09:34:03] <Nikerabbit>	yes, we already have freecol ysing it
[09:34:11] <Duesentrieb>	yes well, that doesn't tell me where to look :) i found it by grepping though the source now
[09:34:21] <Nikerabbit>	sorry the bus is shaking, cant type fast
[09:34:25] <Duesentrieb>	:P
[09:35:05] <Duesentrieb>	Nikerabbit: excellent. I want to get Commonist on betawiki (see gerard's latest blog post for context)
[09:35:08] <Duesentrieb>	what would i have to do?
[09:35:33] <Nikerabbit>	is it in (some) svn repo?
[09:35:47] <Duesentrieb>	hm... i think so.
[09:37:03] <Nikerabbit>	little configuration and someone to take care of it like committing and communication with upstream
[09:38:45] <Nikerabbit>	and a open source license
[09:38:57] <Duesentrieb>	it'S GPL
[09:39:04] <Nikerabbit>	good
[09:39:06] <Duesentrieb>	i see no repo, but i suppose that can be fixed.
[09:40:03] <Nikerabbit>	it is not mandatory
[09:40:04] <Duesentrieb>	i'll ask the author tonight
[09:40:10] <Duesentrieb>	well, it would sure be nice 
[09:40:31] <Nikerabbit>	but it makes it much easier to handle import and export
[09:41:13] <Duesentrieb>	sure.
[09:41:23] <Duesentrieb>	here's the homepage: http://djini.de/software/commonist/
[09:41:27] <Nikerabbit>	so only thing still missin is the maintainer at betawiki side
[09:42:00] <Duesentrieb>	what would be the maintainer's job?
[09:43:17] <Nikerabbit>	like i said, export and mediate between upstream and betawiki on issues, release notifications etc
[09:44:15] <Nikerabbit>	which usually includes commit permission to upstream repo
[09:44:40] <Nikerabbit>	but the details arent that important
[09:47:46] <Nikerabbit>	have to step off of the bus, brb
[09:47:58] <Duesentrieb>	k.
[09:48:03] <Duesentrieb>	the question is really how much wor it is, and how much you have to run around and get people to do something.
[09:48:36] <Duesentrieb>	if it's just a matter of exporting before making a release, the i can probably get the author to do it himself.
[09:59:36] <Nikerabbit>	it really depends on the product, if it even does releases and so on
[10:00:02] <Duesentrieb>	"every now and then", yes.
[10:01:49] <Nikerabbit>	and easy exporting requires shell access, so i'd like to give it someone i know
[10:05:12] <Nikerabbit>	basically it should not take much time at all
[10:07:04] <Nikerabbit>	heck, you could even make export a cron script if you wanted
[10:19:11] <CIA-66>	03catrope * r45765 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 4 dirs): 
[10:19:11] <CIA-66>	* svn:eol-style native for r45755
[10:19:11] <CIA-66>	* Replace spaces with tabs in ApiFormatJson_json.php, fix some crazy indentation
[10:21:35] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Some categorized pages are (multi) listed as uncategorized - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1444  +comment (10matthew.britton)
[10:26:37] <CIA-66>	03catrope * r45766 10/trunk/phase3/includes/normal/UtfNormal.php: Fix regression from r45749: only UTF-8 normalize strings
[10:28:58] <Duesentrieb>	Nikerabbit: the guy in question is datura - dunno if you know him, but he's quite well known on dewiki, was at wikimania in frankfurt, and used to be toolserver root. 
[10:29:07] <Duesentrieb>	Nikerabbit: i'd vouche for him any time
[10:29:23] <Duesentrieb>	but i have to ask him if he want's to do it at all :)
[10:43:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Thumbnail rendering of SVGs broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8566  summary; +comment (10jasen)
[11:36:49] <Duesentrieb>	http://brightbyte.soup.io/post/11198762/Image
[11:44:54] <navap>	Anyone have any tips on making table creation as easy as possible in MediaWiki?
[11:50:41] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) API: Multiple page histories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17033 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: API; (matthew.britton)
[12:03:30] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) API: Multiple page histories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17033  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[12:23:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Redirecting from eo.wikisource.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17008  15enhancement->major; normal->high (10pa.dohnalek)
[12:23:38] <The_ZoRo>	Is there a way to get mediawiki users linked to Active Directory?
[12:25:28] <odb|fidel>	ui 
[12:25:29] <odb|fidel>	zoro
[12:25:59] <The_ZoRo>	odb|fidel :)
[12:26:07] <The_ZoRo>	sorry, I should have googled before asking
[12:26:22] <odb|fidel>	hehe
[12:26:31] <odb|fidel>	how are you ?
[12:26:50] <The_ZoRo>	very good
[12:27:02] <The_ZoRo>	ah, I should prolly join the channel back a qnet, eh?
[12:40:51] <Duesentrieb>	Nikerabbit: you around? i have datura engaged in a chat about betwawiki
[12:47:07] <avar>	w 9
[12:48:43] <Duesentrieb>	hey avar!
[12:49:28] <avar>	hey
[12:49:47] <datura>	moin
[12:52:20] <Duesentrieb>	datura: i just pinged Nikerabbit a few minutes ago, doesn't seem to be around atm. Siebrand is usually online later.
[12:52:27] <datura>	thx
[12:53:10] <odb|fidel>	bye guys
[12:54:08] <RoanKattouw>	Funny how BetaWiki seems to attract so many Europeans
[12:54:21] <cedsib>	hi everyone :)
[12:54:24] <cedsib>	I have a question:
[12:54:47] <cedsib>	where is this user_option stored: "allow email from other users" ?
[12:55:00] <cedsib>	I can't find it in Mediawiki doc
[12:55:03] <RoanKattouw>	cedsib: Do you mean where is it stored or where can I change it?
[12:55:25] <cedsib>	I don't want to change it, I wan to extract users who allowed it to send them an email
[12:55:29] <cedsib>	==> stored
[12:55:30] <RoanKattouw>	You can change it in [[Special:Preferences]], all the way at the bottom on the leftmost tab
[12:55:34] <RoanKattouw>	Ah
[12:55:49] <SixThreeOh>	I have a problem with media wiki being completely retarded, the config page wont let me set a mysql port.
[12:56:32] <cedsib>	RoanKattouw: I guess it is in "user_options" field ? but I'm not able to see a binary field in phpMyAdmin
[12:56:59] <RoanKattouw>	cedsib: Yeah PMA doesn't like blobs, but IIRC there's an option to show them anyway somewhere
[12:57:01] *RoanKattouw 	looks
[12:57:16] <cedsib>	thx :)
[12:57:21] <RoanKattouw>	SixThreeOh: Does specifying the server as "localhost:123" work?
[12:57:38] <SixThreeOh>	I have no idea, it really hould say on the page.
[12:58:34] <RoanKattouw>	SixThreeOh: So try
[12:59:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) API: Multiple page histories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17033  (10matthew.britton)
[13:01:43] <RoanKattouw>	cedsib: Add $cfg['ShowBlob'] = true; to PMA's config.inc.php
[13:02:00] <cedsib>	RoanKattouw: thanks :)
[13:03:51] <SixThreeOh>	RoanKattouw that's not the point, it should really explain how to use the input fields properly.
[13:04:16] <SixThreeOh>	host usually does not mean port
[13:04:32] <SixThreeOh>	a url would include a port, a host is typically just a machine name
[13:04:49] <SixThreeOh>	ie host:service
[13:04:58] <RoanKattouw>	SixThreeOh: I get that. But you probably want to try this instead of waiting until it's documented :)
[13:05:46] <SixThreeOh>	Oh it's on the default port, I was highlighting that so it gets documentaled
[13:06:00] <RoanKattouw>	Ah OK
[13:06:14] <RoanKattouw>	Best file a bug at http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/
[13:06:22] <SixThreeOh>	I'm too lazy
[13:07:20] <SixThreeOh>	does media wiki have any design torwards removing it's system of user management and replacing with another?
[13:08:07] <RoanKattouw>	Like what?
[13:08:37] <RoanKattouw>	Well there's some per-page, per-user block functionality in the pipeline
[13:09:15] <RoanKattouw>	SUL (same user on multiple wikis) was introduced a while ago
[13:09:35] <SixThreeOh>	basically I want to automatically have all the accounts from my existing site copied to the wiki, then created on the wiki on sign up, automatically put into group 1 which is read only, and group 2 has write permissions and would be an admin panel on the eisting site to let admins move people to group 2 group 3 might exist or an admin option to move users to admin rther than just edit
[13:09:48] <SixThreeOh>	I had to do this with punbb which was a nightmare
[13:10:12] <cedsib>	RoanKattouw or anyone else, I don't have access to PMA config. is there another way to know where is option is stored and how to know who checked it ?
[13:10:13] <SixThreeOh>	I don't know why people who make these things that aare freely distributed do such a bad job at authentication integration and abstration
[13:11:20] <RoanKattouw>	SixThreeOh: Yeah, the way apps store user data is often incompatible. MW does allow AuthPlugins to authenticate users from somewhere else than the user table (say, from a phpBB setup)
[13:11:34] <datura>	SixThreeOh: that's because you're too lazy to code so you have to rely on other people's code.
[13:11:56] <RoanKattouw>	So if your existing site happens to be phpBB, check out the MW-phpBB integration thingy
[13:12:11] <RoanKattouw>	Otherwise, write a script that adds stuff to the user table in the database
[13:12:21] <RoanKattouw>	(and the user_groups table for group membership)
[13:12:27] <Duesentrieb>	!auth | SixThreeOh
[13:12:27] --mwbot--	SixThreeOh: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/AuthPlugin
[13:12:57] <RoanKattouw>	cedsib: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=userinfo&uiprop=options
[13:13:16] <RoanKattouw>	Lists all your options, should allow you to figure out its name
[13:13:31] <RoanKattouw>	Then you probably want to do a LIKE on user_options (slow if you have many users)
[13:14:10] <RoanKattouw>	e.g. SELECT user_name FROM user WHERE user_options LIKE '%enableemail=1%'; assuming the option is called enableemail
[13:14:30] <RoanKattouw>	disablemail="0" --> guess that's the one
[13:16:36] <CIA-66>	03ashley * r45767 10/trunk/extensions/SocialProfile/UserProfile/ (3 files): better css fix, per Simetrical's suggestion on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/45730#c1262
[13:21:01] <cedsib>	RoanKattouw: THANKS ! ! ! :)
[13:28:46] <SixThreeOh>	are there any other wikis other than mediawiki?
[13:28:55] <RoanKattouw>	Sure
[13:29:35] <RoanKattouw>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_wiki_software
[13:30:43] <SixThreeOh>	hah I think I'll usewikiwikiweb
[13:33:28] <CIA-66>	03raymond * r45768 10/trunk/extensions/LanguageSelector/LanguageSelector.php: Fixing fatal error caused by a typo
[13:34:25] <SixThreeOh>	http://aberwiki.org/Main_Page what wiki software is this?
[13:35:06] <RoanKattouw>	http://aberwiki.org/Special:Version: MediaWiki with a different skin
[13:35:34] <RoanKattouw>	And a very ill-advised short URL scheme
[13:36:05] <p858snake>	SixThreeOh: as for your orginal question http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wiki_software
[13:36:52] <SixThreeOh>	someone gave me that
[13:37:02] <SixThreeOh>	oh wait that's a bit different
[13:39:37] <SixThreeOh>	ah ok
[13:39:44] <SixThreeOh>	so how do I configure it not it's installed
[13:39:48] <SixThreeOh>	the user table was empty
[13:44:05] <p858snake>	you need ot install mediawiki first.... and it creates the db tables
[13:48:16] <SixThreeOh>	They are created
[13:48:23] <SixThreeOh>	but there's no "sysop" user
[13:48:29] <SixThreeOh>	the user table it just empty
[13:48:41] <RoanKattouw>	SixThreeOh: The installer should've created one
[13:49:05] <p858snake>	were there any issues during the install?
[13:50:11] <SixThreeOh>	yeh it threw a fit over not being able to grant permissions for some reason with root@*
[13:50:24] <SixThreeOh>	after creating the wiki db
[13:51:01] <SixThreeOh>	so I fixed it manually and refreshed
[13:51:19] <SixThreeOh>	I've made my user so how can I just sysop it? is there a user option?
[13:51:28] <p858snake>	delete all the tables and databases and re-run the installer
[13:52:06] <RoanKattouw>	SixThreeOh: Add a row in the user_groups table
[13:52:34] <RoanKattouw>	But making a user yourself probably doesn't work, because you probably set user_password to an invalid value
[13:52:37] <SixThreeOh>	what name?
[13:52:42] <RoanKattouw>	Use maintenance/createAndPromote.php instead
[13:52:44] <p858snake>	because if the db had issues creating the user it will of probably had trouble creating other stuff for the db as well
[13:52:56] <RoanKattouw>	(i.e. run "php maintenance/createAndPromote.php" on the command line
[13:53:37] <SixThreeOh>	to late I just dropped a table;
[13:53:47] <Nikerabbit>	Duesentrieb: hello
[13:54:20] <RoanKattouw>	SixThreeOh: Drop all tables and re-run the installer. If that still doesn't create your user, run "php maintenance/createAndPromote.php username password" on the command line
[13:54:43] <Duesentrieb>	Nikerabbit: hey. i was chatting with datura about getting his baby on betawiki.
[13:55:37] <Nikerabbit>	mommy need new pair of shoes
[13:57:02] <Duesentrieb>	Nikerabbit: what's the deal with betwawiki these days, btw? are you still hosting it out of your own poket?
[13:57:31] <Nikerabbit>	actually siebrand pays the bill
[13:57:53] <SixThreeOh>	odd it did it this time
[13:57:58] <RoanKattouw>	Does that mean siebrand personally, or Wikimedia Nederland?
[13:58:05] <SixThreeOh>	I believe that if the tables already exists, it must no check if they are empty or not
[13:58:27] <SixThreeOh>	In fact I don't think it's that either
[13:58:32] <Nikerabbit>	siebrand personally, I am not aware of that the situation would have changed
[13:58:49] <Duesentrieb>	Nikerabbit: i see. i was wondering why wmf didn't support this. or do you guys prefer to keep it separate?
[14:01:28] <Nikerabbit>	dunno, it is not in my interests to beg money from wmf. it is up to siebrand wether he wants to cover the costs
[14:02:12] <Nikerabbit>	+h
[14:05:37] <RoanKattouw>	OK mailing list lag is just getting too weird: I received the "Thanks, it works now" post *before* the "You need to install ParserFunctions post". That just doesn't make sense anymore
[14:06:40] <jrpac>	hello
[14:07:38] <jrpac>	Does it exit any documentation page on the Internet to explain easily how to create, using a script/bot, an article on a MediaWiki application ?
[14:07:48] <RoanKattouw>	!api | jrpac 
[14:07:48] --mwbot--	jrpac: The MediaWiki API provides direct, high-level access to the data contained in the MediaWiki databases. Client programs should be able to use the API to login, get data, and post changes. Find out more at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API>. For client libraries in various languages, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Client_Code>.
[14:08:26] <p858snake|Sleep>	RoanKattouw: there were probably some things caught in the spam filter
[14:08:51] <RoanKattouw>	p858snake|Sleep: Ah, does that cause it? I've had bugmails delayed for a week once
[14:09:00] <RoanKattouw>	As API maintainer, I don't like that :P
[14:09:22] <p858snake|Sleep>	no idea, but thats what i'm saying and sticking to it
[14:09:51] <p858snake|Sleep>	i usally get emails from bugzilla before the things appear on the pages
[14:10:14] <RoanKattouw>	Me too, usually, but there was a time when mails about API bugs (and only those) were delayed for about 24 hrs
[14:10:23] <RoanKattouw>	And on occasion, even longer
[14:10:29] <RoanKattouw>	Not happening anymore AFAIK
[14:11:06] <p858snake|Sleep>	anyways i'm going to bed
[14:12:01] <Duesentrieb>	RoanKattouw: can you tell me what the plans are for the upload api?
[14:12:25] <RoanKattouw>	Duesentrieb: Ask Bryan, it's his project
[14:12:32] <Duesentrieb>	k
[14:12:44] <RoanKattouw>	He set up the new-upload branch recently containing his upload refactoring
[14:13:32] <RoanKattouw>	Duesentrieb: Any particular interest in uploading?
[14:14:21] <Duesentrieb>	RoanKattouw: it came up in the context of commonist.
[14:14:32] <RoanKattouw>	commonist?
[14:14:42] <Duesentrieb>	a batch upload gui
[14:14:46] <RoanKattouw>	Ah
[14:15:02] <Duesentrieb>	http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Tools/Commonist
[14:15:21] <Duesentrieb>	i'm talking to Nikerabbit about getting it translated via betawiki. was talking to the author earlier
[14:15:34] <Duesentrieb>	one of the things annoying to him is that it can't handle error cases nicely.
[14:15:45] <RoanKattouw>	And that's exactly what the API is for, yeah
[14:16:15] <RoanKattouw>	But back in the day when I took a stab at upload (before I had Bryan to delegate file-related stuff to :) ), error handling in the upload code was horrific
[14:16:42] <RoanKattouw>	Basically, it passed around errors as HTML fragments, and as you probably understand the API doesn't like that much
[14:17:07] <Duesentrieb>	:P
[14:20:39] <CIA-66>	03tstarling * r45769 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 3 dirs): 
[14:20:39] <CIA-66>	* Preserve usertext_timestamp index name for MySQL, prefix it for SQLite. Issues remain on the experimental non-installable DBMSes.
[14:20:39] <CIA-66>	* Clean up some E_STRICT issues
[14:22:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Output LocalSettings.php Variables via API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17027  (10sam)
[14:23:11] <CIA-66>	03ashley * r45770 10/trunk/extensions/ (4 files in 4 dirs): adding some missing right-* messages for extensions
[14:23:38] <datura>	RoanKattouw: you wouldn't like the code parsing the error messages on the client side. it generates regexps from Special:Allmessages ...
[14:24:09] <Duesentrieb>	hehe wow :)
[14:25:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Output LocalSettings.php Variables via API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17027  (10roan.kattouw)
[14:28:09] <RoanKattouw>	datura: I know, screenscraping sucks.
[14:28:53] <Duesentrieb>	RoanKattouw: bot he's screenscraping for strings he then uses for screenscraping -- that takes it to a whole new level :P
[14:28:58] <Duesentrieb>	metascarping!
[14:30:35] <RoanKattouw>	Lol, yeah
[14:30:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Output LocalSettings.php Variables via API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17027  (10sam)
[14:30:58] <RoanKattouw>	He doesn't have to screenscrape Allmessages, though, we've had meta=allmessages for a while now
[14:32:38] <RoanKattouw>	(courtesy of VasilievVV)
[14:38:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Prettify permalinks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16659  +comment (10mrzmanwiki)
[14:45:18] <SixThreeOh>	How can I make all users unable to edit unless they are in a group?
[14:47:55] <Laaknor>	SixThreeOh: $wgGroupPermission['*']['edit'] = false;
[14:48:13] <Laaknor>	and then $wgGroupPermission['editors']['edit'] = true;
[14:48:30] <Laaknor>	that adds a group called editors with permission to edit
[14:52:10] <Duesentrieb>	SixThreeOh: all users are in a group. even anons are in a group.
[14:52:25] <Duesentrieb>	or perhaps you mean a specific group?
[15:03:58] <SixThreeOh>	I mean a group that isn't in ug_group
[15:04:00] <SixThreeOh>	also where can I find these groups and set permissions and stuff?
[15:44:55] <RoanKattouw>	!access | SixThreeOh 
[15:44:55] --mwbot--	SixThreeOh: For information on customizing user access, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights>. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access>.
[16:02:13] <paran>	how can I put the equivalent of <a href="/cgi-bin/foo.pl">foo</a> on a wiki page? Some people use ssh-tunnels to access this wiki, so I like to avoid hard coding the hostname.
[16:03:21] <paran>	a link to a file on the same web-server, but outside of the wiki
[16:04:29] <Jelte>	computer setuser 5 Leyo#Admin
[16:04:30] <Jelte>	computer setuser 5 Mitchazenia#Admin
[16:04:32] <Jelte>	computer setuser 5 Giggy#Admin
[16:04:33] <Jelte>	computer setuser 5 Joku Janne#Admin
[16:04:35] <Jelte>	computer setuser 5 Abigor#Admin
[16:04:36] <Jelte>	computer setuser 0 LudmiBa Pilecka#Not an admin
[16:04:38] <Jelte>	computer setuser 0 Lumijaguaari#Not an admin
[16:04:40] <Jelte>	(sorry, wrong channel)
[16:38:51] <FaiglLadislav>	ahoj .. tady asi nikdo nemluvi cesky, co?
[16:39:16] <FaiglLadislav>	hi .. may I ask you for help?
[16:40:20] <RoanKattouw>	!ask
[16:40:20] --mwbot--	Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[16:43:19] <FaiglLadislav>	I'm installing mediawiki and I stuck at the part "database config" .. i created new mysql database on my website administration and have ooo_rozett_cz .. is it database host or database name? .. 
[16:43:55] <RoanKattouw>	Probably the database name
[16:44:02] <RoanKattouw>	The database host is usually localhost
[16:44:43] <FaiglLadislav>	and DB username is my choice what to write there .. or not?
[16:45:06] <RoanKattouw>	No, your host should tell you your DB username and password
[16:45:17] <CIA-66>	03raymond * r45771 10/trunk/extensions/ (49 files in 47 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages used by WMF from Betawiki
[16:45:58] <FaiglLadislav>	i see
[16:47:33] <FaiglLadislav>	I'm gonna try it
[16:52:34] <FaiglLadislav>	it doesn't work "Attempting to connect to database server as ooo_rozett_cz...failed with error [2002] Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/tmp/mysql.sock' (2)."
[16:53:34] <Mr-Fine>	Hello room
[16:54:00] <Mr-Fine>	I need some help with infobox
[16:55:12] <Mr-Fine>	I've created a infobox but sidebar line of page is cutted, i dont why.
[16:56:08] <Mr-Fine>	!infobox
[16:56:08] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "infobox".
[16:57:22] <Mr-Fine>	hello.................................................................
[16:59:25] <|X|>	Hi RoanKattouw 
[16:59:35] <|X|>	I kinda got the gist of what I'm supposed to do now.
[17:00:03] <|X|>	But SpecialPage.php is crapping out on me now.
[17:04:32] <Mr-Fine>	Prom_cat: Hello sir
[17:04:35] <RoanKattouw>	|X|: Are you touching SpecialPage.php? You shouldn't be...
[17:04:42] <|X|>	RoanKattouw, no
[17:04:47] <|X|>	Fatal error: Call to a member function getFullUrl() on a non-object in /Applications/MAMP/WebFiles/defaultwiki/includes/SpecialPage.php on line 522
[17:05:04] <RoanKattouw>	Looks like some Title object is null
[17:05:51] <RoanKattouw>	Oh crap
[17:06:02] <RoanKattouw>	Does that error happen in the UI or the API?
[17:06:05] <|X|>	When I went to the traceback, I say that $wgTitle was null
[17:06:08] <CIA-66>	03raymond * r45772 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (21 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki
[17:06:13] <|X|>	It happens everywhere on the wiki
[17:06:17] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah that's what I thought
[17:06:24] <|X|>	Oh wait, no
[17:06:31] <RoanKattouw>	$wgTitle is *way* overused, #1 complaint from people who write API edit code xD
[17:06:35] <Mr-Fine>	I need some help with infobox
[17:06:47] <|X|>	Only on the Special:CheckUser page is it broken
[17:06:59] <|X|>	Of course, Special:CheckUser is using the proted over code
[17:07:01] *Mr-Fine 	looking for IRC chatroom of Commons.
[17:07:14] <RoanKattouw>	|X|: Well it shouldn't use $wgTitle, but a $title parameter somewhere
[17:07:36] <|X|>	Something like $wgTitle->new or something?
[17:07:58] <RoanKattouw>	Something that can help debug $wgTitle = null; problems is the following: set $wgTitle = new FakeTitle; on top of MyApiModule::execute()
[17:08:06] <Wuzur|rhn>	Mr-Fine: #wikimedia-commons
[17:08:17] <|X|>	The problem is, I have no idea where the problem lies
[17:08:19] <RoanKattouw>	That'll throw a backtrace along with the error about $wgTitle being null
[17:08:20] <Skizzerz>	$wgTitle should never be used in anything involving the parser
[17:08:21] <brion-busy>	i'm going to be mostly doing non-coding office work today, but if anybody needs something specific feel free to ask -- but it may be a while before i respond :)
[17:08:34] <RoanKattouw>	Skizzerz: Try telling Tim. Good luck
[17:08:35] *Mr-Fine 	having problem with Infoboxes
[17:08:40] <Skizzerz>	:P
[17:08:47] <|X|>	It's probably some sort of wfMsgHtml or wfMsgExt somewhere
[17:08:50] <RoanKattouw>	Skizzerz: And this is SpecialCheckUser.php
[17:09:06] <RoanKattouw>	|X|: The point is, wfMsgHtml and wfMsgExt shouldn't be in the API code path
[17:09:11] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) allow users to set default filters for Special:Recentchanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1592  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[17:09:14] <|X|>	It's not with the API currently
[17:09:21] <Skizzerz>	brion-busy: before you go, do you think it'd be good to expand the redirect page display to show a "map" of redirects that resolve until either the redirect limit is reached or the target page is found?
[17:09:24] <|X|>	It's the Special:CheckUser interface, which I just ported over
[17:09:24] <RoanKattouw>	Anyway, with the FakeTitle thing I mentioned earlier you should get a more helpful error
[17:09:30] <FaiglLadislav>	Attempting to connect to database server as ooo_rozett_cz...failed with error [2002] Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/tmp/mysql.sock' (2).
[17:09:36] <FaiglLadislav>	don't you know where is the problem?
[17:09:50] <RoanKattouw>	FaiglLadislav: Ask your host for the right database settings
[17:09:57] <RoanKattouw>	(hostname, username, password)
[17:09:58] <|X|>	RoanKattouw, it didn't do a thing
[17:10:18] <RoanKattouw>	|X|: Oh oops not in the API execute() method then, but in err...
[17:10:20] <RoanKattouw>	Wait a minute
[17:10:29] <FaiglLadislav>	RoanKattouw: I know them .. but it still writes this
[17:10:31] <RoanKattouw>	Are you saying you get crap about $wgTitle being null in the UI?!?
[17:10:38] <|X|>	something like that
[17:10:41] <Skizzerz>	uh...
[17:10:43] <|X|>	Is there a way to find the traceback?
[17:10:50] <Skizzerz>	that shouldn't be happening >_>
[17:11:05] <RoanKattouw>	FaiglLadislav: I'm sorry, but that error is caused by bad settings. Ask your host for support
[17:11:19] <RoanKattouw>	|X|: Yes, by setting $wgTitle = new FakeTitle; in the right place
[17:11:27] *RoanKattouw 	ponders on what that right place is
[17:12:45] <SixThreeOh>	How can I apply permissions in wiki?
[17:12:52] <RoanKattouw>	!access | SixThreeOh 
[17:12:52] --mwbot--	SixThreeOh: For information on customizing user access, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights>. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access>.
[17:13:26] <|X|>	Maybe CheckUser should just be rewritten from scratch
[17:13:36] <RoanKattouw>	That sounds like a very good idea
[17:13:49] <|X|>	That's going to be my project tonight
[17:14:10] <RoanKattouw>	Good luck; I really appreciate you doing this, and I'm sure Aaron does too
[17:14:19] <|X|>	I have 1 midterm tomorrow, that I know everything on, and I have 15 minutes left in the midterm I'm in right now
[17:14:21] *Mr-Fine 	having problem with Infoboxes
[17:14:29] <RoanKattouw>	Looks like there's a lot of crappy code in CU
[17:14:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Newpages won't honor &hidepatrolled= 1 for logged out users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16377  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[17:14:36] <RoanKattouw>	|X|: You're in a midterm right now?
[17:14:37] <|X|>	RoanKattouw, yes.
[17:14:46] <RoanKattouw>	Mr-Fine: #wikimedia-commons ?
[17:14:53] <|X|>	I've finished.
[17:14:56] <RoanKattouw>	|X|: And you're already done, or?
[17:15:01] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah I thought so
[17:15:23] <Mr-Fine>	I'm talking about problems with INFOBOX'S
[17:15:25] <|X|>	CheckUser really needs a rewrite. It needs moar Xml:: too. 
[17:16:22] <Mr-Fine>	Mike: Hi :)
[17:16:52] <|X|>	Mr-Fine, you might want to try #wikipedia-en-help
[17:17:11] <RoanKattouw>	|X|: Does it use wfElement or raw HTML?
[17:17:27] <|X|>	It uses a mix of both
[17:17:32] <Skizzerz>	>_>
[17:17:34] <RoanKattouw>	Hmm
[17:17:40] <Skizzerz>	raw HTML ftw
[17:17:42] <Skizzerz>	:P
[17:17:48] <|X|>	It uses Xml:: for stuff like <input>, but it uses raw html for <fieldset>
[17:18:04] <RoanKattouw>	OK that's just weird
[17:18:25] <CIA-66>	03nikerabbit * r45773 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (_autoload.php groups/Commonist.php): * Support code for a new group
[17:18:29] *|X| 	wonders who was the bad developer who made that
[17:19:01] <|X|>	Oh, it was Tim.
[17:19:03] <RoanKattouw>	I seem to recall CheckUser is Aaron's brainchild, although it might be Rob's. I'll check
[17:19:05] <RoanKattouw>	Ah
[17:19:06] <SixThreeOh>	can I create my own group?
[17:19:10] <|X|>	Tim and Aaron
[17:19:19] <|X|>	Whoops, sorry Tim :)
[17:19:25] <SixThreeOh>	well more specifically, what will make it's permissions override user
[17:19:36] <RoanKattouw>	SixThreeOh: Sure you can. But you can't override permissions, just add them
[17:19:50] <SixThreeOh>	I want a group that overrides user
[17:19:55] <RoanKattouw>	i.e. if I'm in groups 'user' and 'mygroup' I can edit pages if EITHER 'user' or 'mygroup' can edit pages
[17:20:04] <SixThreeOh>	user and guest is readonly, that's fine
[17:20:09] <SixThreeOh>	ah so I can just set user to false
[17:20:15] <SixThreeOh>	how do I define a new group?
[17:20:15] <Skizzerz>	yes
[17:20:21] <Skizzerz>	$wgGroupPermissions
[17:20:22] <RoanKattouw>	So all you can do is assign 'user' a basic set of permissions and expand on them in other groups
[17:20:23] <SixThreeOh>	does it just need to be in the db and that's it?
[17:20:31] <RoanKattouw>	$wgGroupPermissions['mygroup']['permissions'] = true;
[17:20:33] <Skizzerz>	there is no db for group permissions ;)
[17:20:39] <SixThreeOh>	ug_group
[17:20:44] <SixThreeOh>	or something
[17:20:49] <SixThreeOh>	nope but for member ship
[17:20:49] <RoanKattouw>	Oops $wgGroupPermissions['mygroup']['edit'] = true; for instance
[17:20:57] <RoanKattouw>	SixThreeOh: Special:Userrights
[17:21:05] <SixThreeOh>	so if I put someone the member of a random group name it'll automatically check against the permissions?
[17:21:13] <Terp4e>	Anyone help me out with a new wiki install?  When I CHMOD localsettings.php to 600 it doesn't load the site
[17:21:20] <SixThreeOh>	i'm using $wg
[17:21:23] <RoanKattouw>	It's a UI for adding users to groups, and it automatically recognizes a new group if you add it in $wgGroupPermissions
[17:21:35] <SixThreeOh>	ah ok
[17:21:42] <RoanKattouw>	Terp4e: LocalSettings.php needs to be readable by the web server
[17:21:45] <RoanKattouw>	Try 660
[17:21:54] <Terp4e>	Ok, thanks
[17:22:01] <SixThreeOh>	one other thing, what's writeapi?
[17:22:09] <RoanKattouw>	!api
[17:22:09] --mwbot--	The MediaWiki API provides direct, high-level access to the data contained in the MediaWiki databases. Client programs should be able to use the API to login, get data, and post changes. Find out more at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API>. For client libraries in various languages, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Client_Code>.
[17:22:19] <SixThreeOh>	I see
[17:22:23] <Mr-Fine>	Anybody good with Infobox templates, I've tried in #Wikipedia
[17:22:23] <RoanKattouw>	The edit/move/protect/etc. part of that ---^
[17:23:11] <Terp4e>	660 doesn't work either, it only works if it's readable by public
[17:23:22] <Terp4e>	Which obviously isn't ideal
[17:23:47] <RoanKattouw>	Terp4e: Well it just means that people who have access to the same server can read your DB password
[17:23:58] <RoanKattouw>	So it all depends on who has access to your server
[17:24:31] <SixThreeOh>	chown -R apache:apache * (make sure you're in the right dir)
[17:25:04] <SixThreeOh>	if not apache then httpd or something
[17:25:43] <SixThreeOh>	If it's your own unshared server most people are happy with 755
[17:26:17] <RoanKattouw>	SixThreeOh: He might not have permission to do that. chgrp -R apache * may work though
[17:26:39] <SixThreeOh>	yeh I'd hate no to have root
[17:26:45] <SixThreeOh>	if I didn't have root I'd quit my job
[17:28:11] <Terp4e>	Why would it not work with 600? That's what it says in the installation instructions
[17:28:32] <RoanKattouw>	Terp4e: That assumes the LocalSettings.php file is owned by the apache user
[17:28:37] <RoanKattouw>	(which it arguably should be)
[17:28:58] <I-MOD>	hey all
[17:29:09] <Terp4e>	Ah ok
[17:29:56] <I-MOD>	I'm looking for a variable that contains the current numbering of the location I'm at (like it shows on the table of contents).  Does such a variable exist?  my searches have turned up nothing so far
[17:30:33] <RoanKattouw>	I-MOD: Exactly where do you want to use this? In a parser hook?
[17:30:50] <I-MOD>	on the wiki page itself
[17:30:59] <I-MOD>	i'm throwing it into a template
[17:32:01] <RoanKattouw>	I-MOD: You mean to e.g. make a link like edit this section?
[17:32:06] <RoanKattouw>	Hm
[17:32:09] <RoanKattouw>	!magicwords
[17:32:09] --mwbot--	For more information about creating magic words and their inner workings, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Magic_words>. For a list of magic words, please see <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words>.
[17:32:50] <I-MOD>	no, i just need the numbers 1.1.1 (or whatever it might be for where the code is).  I didn't see it on that page, but I'll check again
[17:33:15] <RoanKattouw>	Doesn't seem to be there
[17:33:23] <CIA-66>	03aaron * r45774 10/trunk/phase3/includes/diff/DifferenceEngine.php: Use getRawUserText function, since this is just there to trigger index usage for patrol link query
[17:33:38] <SixThreeOh>	in media wiki is that a function to create user? I want to override the session auth function/hook to just create the user if it doesn't exist
[17:33:59] <I-MOD>	hmmm
[17:34:05] <RoanKattouw>	SixThreeOh: Look in the source of maintenance/createAndPromote.php
[17:34:17] <RoanKattouw>	It does something very similar to what you wanna do IIRC
[17:34:59] <I-MOD>	i may just have to hack up the parser a tad
[17:35:29] <RoanKattouw>	Do so at your own peril, and don't ask me for help when you're lost ;)
[17:35:34] <I-MOD>	heh
[17:35:41] <I-MOD>	i haven't even looked at the code yet
[17:35:58] <RoanKattouw>	In my time in MW I learned to stay the hell away from the parser
[17:36:35] <RoanKattouw>	and let the people who actually understand how it works (something that deserves credit in its own right) fiddle with it
[17:37:08] <I-MOD>	i'm decent at hacking code, so it shouldn't be that much of an issue, i might submit a patch if the modification is clean enough
[17:37:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Import strips angle brackets on some installations - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16554   +upstream; +comment (10brion)
[17:37:25] <I-MOD>	unfortunately, it's nearly time for class
[17:37:48] <RoanKattouw>	I-MOD: You're encouraged to submit a patch, yes: http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org
[17:38:23] *Mr-Fine 	having problems with Template:Infobox
[17:38:30] <RoanKattouw>	...
[17:38:36] <RoanKattouw>	What problems>
[17:39:18] <Mr-Fine>	I've created Template Infobox but sidebar line on the page is cutting
[17:39:43] <RoanKattouw>	Link?
[17:39:54] <Mr-Fine>	see PM
[17:42:15] <CIA-66>	03werdna * r45775 10/trunk/extensions/Preview/ (. Preview.php): Quickie extension to preview wikitext. Still needs to be able to specify a title, but I couldn't be bothered. No localisation or credits or anything, because it's only supposed to be used for development and testing.
[17:42:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Import strips angle brackets on some installations ( libxml2 entity bug) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16554  summary (10brion)
[17:44:07] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) New logo for Wikibooks projects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17034 normal; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (mikelifeguard)
[17:45:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Sanitizer rejects identifies valid xhtml attributes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17031  (10brion)
[17:47:48] <danweh>	My wiki always shows the same IP (10.0.10.15) of anonymous users. Why? How does mediawiki determine the IP? The wiki runs on FreeBSD and PHP uses the "OpenBasedir" restriction and "register_globals=off". I cannot change that. Where do I have to look to fix the problem?
[17:48:02] <I-MOD>	RoanKattouw, looks like a request for this functionality already exists: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1605
[17:48:26] <CIA-66>	03aaron * r45776 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Revision.php: Avoid extra parent id query on rev creation; only needs to be done if the current value is null, not 0
[17:48:29] <RoanKattouw>	I-MOD: Good searching. You'd be surprised how many people file duplicates
[17:48:45] <I-MOD>	someone already filed a duplicate
[17:48:58] <I-MOD>	but it looks like there was no implementation provided...just a request
[17:49:19] <RoanKattouw>	 	 Opened: 2005-02-28 12:38  looks comforting
[17:49:31] <CIA-66>	03mkroetzsch * r45777 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/storage/SMW_SQLStore2_Queries.php: 
[17:49:31] <CIA-66>	avoid repeated queries when using many ?Category:Someting printouts (even if chached, these requests have an effect on overall performance, since they
[17:49:31] <CIA-66>	are done for every result in a query)
[17:49:37] <gongoputch>	is there a way to take the apache http authorization as the user name in mediawiki? I want to auth the whole site (more than just /mediawiki) AND avoid double logins
[17:49:46] <RoanKattouw>	!authplugin | gongoputch 
[17:49:46] --mwbot--	gongoputch: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/AuthPlugin
[17:49:47] <I-MOD>	last edit was in 09-2008, though
[17:49:55] <gongoputch>	awsome!
[17:50:51] <Inez>	Hello
[17:52:48] <Mr-Fine>	In Template Infobox, why we use  orcer=addcategory ?
[17:53:00] <Mr-Fine>	!orcer
[17:53:00] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "orcer".
[17:53:12] <Mr-Fine>	!suppresserrors
[17:53:12] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "suppresserrors".
[17:53:35] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) New page's patrol button should always be visible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15936  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[17:53:40] <CIA-66>	03aaron * r45778 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (Article.php Revision.php Title.php): (Bug 15936) New page's patrol button should always be visible
[17:53:48] <Mr-Fine>	what is orcer and suppresserrors, mostly used in Template Infoboxes?
[17:54:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  OTRS sends follow-up notification mails to all queue agents instead of only to ticket owner - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8662   +shell; summary; +comment (10brion)
[17:55:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New logo for Wikibooks projects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17034  +comment (10Abigor)
[17:58:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) {{SECTION}} variable to return number of section within a page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1605  +comment (10nyphbl8d)
[18:05:05] <Mr-Fine>	I wanna put a list of article created date wise, but how?
[18:06:03] <Mr-Fine>	How is it possible to put a list of articles created on January 15 in Category January 15?
[18:07:10] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Check PHP file_uploads settings in Special:Upload - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17035 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Uploading; (brion)
[18:12:08] <Mr-Fine>	In Wikinews: when I start a new article or page, it automatically appears under ARTICLES IN DEVELOPMENT page, but I dont guess how because I dont put any category like Develop or something like in page....
[18:14:36] <Anarhist>	gallery creates images with the width of 120px, thumb creates 180px, is there a way to force one or the other to use the same?
[18:15:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New logo for Wikibooks projects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17034  +comment (10str4nd)
[18:15:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Show/hide bots/own edits from Recentchanges via preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7039  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[18:17:07] <Mr-Fine>	hello.. anybody is here ??
[18:17:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add show/hide to Preferences for option on Special:NewPages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16957  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[18:17:23] <werdnum>	Mr-Fine: plenty, just let us know what your problem is.
[18:18:09] <Anarhist>	!gallery
[18:18:09] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "gallery". You might try: !skins 
[18:18:10] <Prodego>	Mr-Fine: hi
[18:18:14] <Anarhist>	!thumb
[18:18:14] --mwbot--	For information on configuring thumbnailing on MediaWiki, please refer to <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Image_Administration#Image_thumbnailing>.
[18:18:25] <Prodego>	same as werdnum though
[18:18:39] <|X|>	!ask Mr-Fine 
[18:18:39] --mwbot--	Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[18:18:57] <Prodego>	werdnum: could you get abuse filter to add a space after the parameters if you add one from the drop down list?
[18:19:16] <Prodego>	"PARAM " not "PARAM"
[18:19:20] <Mr-Fine>	In Wikinews: when I start a new article or page, it automatically appears under ARTICLES IN DEVELOPMENT page, but I dont guess how because I dont put any category like Develop or something like in page....
[18:20:00] <Mr-Fine>	Now i guess it is possible with putting namespace=Main under dynamicpagelist, am i right ? :O
[18:20:29] <Mr-Fine>	but I still dont know what is the purpose for suppresserrors=true 
[18:21:24] <Prodego>	Mr-Fine: that might be a better question for #wikinews-en
[18:21:37] <Prodego>	I don't really understand wikinews personally :P
[18:21:43] <Mr-Fine>	o
[18:23:56] <CIA-66>	03werdna * r45779 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/parser_native/makefile.config.example: Re-add accidentally deleted file.
[18:24:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Inconsistent placement of patrol links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5776  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[18:29:45] <werdnum>	werdnum: Can do that
[18:29:50] <werdnum>	I'm working on the abuse filter now.
[18:30:32] *|X| 	is not reviewing code. /me is writing it.
[18:31:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Make newpage patrolling available to autoconfirmed users on jawp - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13055  (10rhalsell)
[18:34:17] <SixThreeOh>	so what would happen if i googles for something that brought up mediawiki sites and tried addressing scripts from maintenance on them?
[18:35:35] <werdnum>	Wouldn't work.
[18:36:32] <SixThreeOh>	does commandline.inc do anything to detect that?
[18:38:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow everybody to view patrolled pages on eswiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16703   +shell; +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[18:43:05] <CIA-66>	03aaron * r45780 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Title.php: Redid r45389 "Disallow broken Talk:File:x type titles (bug 5280)"
[18:46:15] <werdnum>	SixThreeOh: should do.
[18:46:24] <werdnum>	I imagine that's where it's done.
[18:47:27] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) No easy way to patrol newly created redirects properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14353  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[18:53:21] <PDF_Format>	hurray!
[18:53:22] <PDF_Format>	is anyone here? 
[18:53:39] <Prodego>	yea
[18:53:45] <Prodego>	need something?
[18:55:17] <CIA-66>	03aaron * r45781 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialNewpages.php: Add &redirect=no to newpages links (bug 14353)
[18:57:23] <PDF_Format>	yes
[18:57:24] <PDF_Format>	hi
[18:57:30] <PDF_Format>	i just installed a mediawiki wiki
[18:57:39] <PDF_Format>	and i'm wondering why pages i create dont' have the 'contents" box
[18:57:49] <PDF_Format>	is that something i have to define somewhere? 
[18:57:50] <cirwin>	they don't have enough headings
[18:57:57] <PDF_Format>	how many are needed? 
[18:58:08] <cirwin>	you can force it by putting __TOC__ on the page where you want it
[18:58:12] <cirwin>	not sure
[18:58:45] <PDF_Format>	lemme test that out
[19:00:14] <PDF_Format>	brilliant, thanks!
[19:00:17] <PDF_Format>	WIKIS AWAY!
[19:00:40] <cirwin>	yay!
[19:02:30] <PDF_Format>	oh, i had another question
[19:02:41] <cirwin>	fire away
[19:02:43] <PDF_Format>	but this might not be specirically mediawiki related.
[19:03:10] <PDF_Format>	i think i have to modify my .htaccess or something, because when i do "mydomain.com/Special:Whatever" i don't get the special page
[19:03:27] <PDF_Format>	i have to do "mydomain.com/index.php?=etc.etc.etc.etc"
[19:03:37] <cirwin>	there's a page about it on mediawiki.org
[19:03:43] <PDF_Format>	looking now!
[19:03:49] <PDF_Format>	what should i look under.. what's that called? 
[19:03:51] <CIA-66>	03raymond * r45782 10/trunk/extensions/ (30 files in 20 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki
[19:04:14] <cirwin>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL
[19:04:35] <PDF_Format>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/sub_directory/wiki/Page_Title_--_.htaccess
[19:04:37] <PDF_Format>	this looks like it
[19:04:39] <PDF_Format>	ioh
[19:04:39] <PDF_Format>	aaha
[19:04:48] <CIA-66>	03werdna * r45783 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/ (4 files): 
[19:04:48] <CIA-66>	Fix up AbuseFilter syntax checking:
[19:04:48] <CIA-66>	* Display result below the field, rather than at the top of the page.
[19:04:48] <CIA-66>	* Clear the result when the field is changed, not after some arbitrary time period.
[19:04:51] *werdnum 	commits s'more.
[19:24:37] <werdnum>	tomaszf: Wanna take a ten-second squizz at an interface? :)
[19:25:08] <werdnum>	http://voltaire.local/wiki/index.php?title=Special:AbuseFilter/new
[19:25:13] <tomaszf>	werdnum: i'd love to if the website wasn't breaking
[19:25:22] <werdnum>	oh, you're working on that too
[19:25:26] <tomaszf>	perm denied
[19:25:28] <werdnum>	okie, I'll bug somebody later :)
[19:26:44] <tomaszf>	i registered an account and will play with it a bit later
[19:27:44] *werdnum 	just gave out the perms to everyone anyway
[19:29:41] <Prodego>	werdnum: did you ever answer my request about adding a space in the abuse filter templates?
[19:29:55] <Prodego>	I forgot all about asking... 
[19:30:36] <werdnum>	I already did it.
[19:30:41] <Prodego>	cool, thanks
[19:30:55] <Prodego>	the only other thing was perhaps instead of one big dropdown
[19:31:05] <Prodego>	do one for each category
[19:31:32] <werdnum>	Sounds like it would take up quite a bit of space.
[19:31:34] <Prodego>	Operators, functions, variables
[19:31:41] <Prodego>	well some would have to be combined
[19:31:52] <CIA-66>	03werdna * r45784 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/AbuseFilter.i18n.php: Kill condition limit display on the main AbuseFilter page, as it doesn't work at the moment.
[19:32:27] <Prodego>	if you got really fancy you could make it so that you could /switch/ between what the drop down displays on a separate dropdown
[19:33:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Sanitizer rejects identifies valid xhtml attributes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17031  (10gbruin)
[19:35:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Sanitizer rejects identifies valid xhtml attributes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17031  (10gbruin)
[20:25:05] <gongoputch>	how do i add a page to a catagory?
[20:25:19] <cirwin>	put [[Category:Category name]] on the page
[20:25:27] <gongoputch>	nice, thanks
[20:25:31] <cirwin>	np
[20:28:01] *I-MOD 	starts hacking away at the parser to add {{SECTIONNUM}} and possibly {{SECTION}}
[20:29:50] <^demon>	brion: For bug 17035 (checking file_uploads status before allowing uploads), wouldn't it be pretty straighforward to just check it along with $wgEnableUploads? Then we can use the same error message to end-users (that uploads are disabled)
[20:40:24] <werdnum>	^demon: Br!on's a little busy at the moment
[20:40:36] <werdnum>	Just put it on the bug.
[20:41:01] <^demon>	Didn't see an -away or such, thought he'd be active. I'll leave a note there thanks :)
[20:43:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Check PHP file_uploads settings in Special:Upload - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17035  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[20:43:21] <MrZ-man>	^demon: some server buggage, see -tech
[20:46:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Remove .hiddenStructure from CSS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17009  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[20:51:58] <wikibugs>	14(DUP)  Page creation notification email is sent when a watched page is deleted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17016  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[20:51:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  The Wikimedia Commons notification system report says a page has been created while in fact it was deleted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15646  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[20:52:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Page creation notification email is sent when a watched page is deleted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15646  summary; +comment (10innocentkiller)
[20:53:39] <^demon>	I wonder what is the most-duped bug ever :p
[20:56:44] <CIA-66>	03mej * r45785 10/trunk/extensions/uniwiki/CustomToolbar/CustomToolbar.i18n.php: fixed issue with i18n message that was causing a js error
[20:57:15] <buzz_>	i have a php coding question. I have a two special pages that share code, or at least I want them to, so I built the "shared" stuff into a new class. however some of the shared functions use $this->getTitle which is part of SpecialPage and not my new class. is it bad coding to stick the title in a global so the shared class functions can use it? its not that easy to pass the title as a parameter as it would require a lot of changes to the shared
[20:57:15] <buzz_>	 code
[20:57:50] <CIA-66>	03mej * r45786 10/trunk/extensions/uniwiki/Layouts/Layouts.php: fixed bugzilla bug #16538 with redirection loop when trying to edit existing pages
[20:58:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Suggestion: Floating Chat toolbar(like facebook) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16982  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[21:00:03] <buzz_>	i guess i could pass some stuff to my class when creating it and then have it store a copy right ?
[21:07:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New logo for Wikibooks projects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17034  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[21:08:48] <cirwin>	buzz_: that sounds sensible
[21:09:10] <cirwin>	are you using the i18n support that's provided - as it sounds like that'd do what you want also
[21:09:45] <buzz_>	cirwin, i skipped all internationalisation.. but then again noone else will ever want this extension in their language
[21:09:48] <buzz_>	its rather bespoke
[21:09:58] <buzz_>	it's
[21:10:07] <cirwin>	ok
[21:10:29] <cirwin>	well passing parameters to classes in their constructors is a normal thing to do
[21:10:31] <buzz_>	cirwin, http://www.exotica.org.uk/wiki/Special:HVSC
[21:11:00] <buzz_>	cirwin, thanks :)
[21:11:34] <cirwin>	ooh, looks neat
[21:11:43] <buzz_>	commodore 64 music search :)
[21:15:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New logo for Wikibooks projects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17034  (10mikelifeguard)
[21:15:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) {{SECTION}} variable to return number of section within a page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1605  (10nyphbl8d)
[21:24:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) {{SECTION}} variable to return number of section within a page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1605  (10nyphbl8d)
[21:25:47] <Dantman|Work>	Bah... I can't believe how stupid some projects can be... http://www.digitaljunkies.ca/dompdf/
[21:26:15] <Dantman|Work>	They actually used "Renderer" as a class name when their project was meant to be incluable like a library
[21:26:40] <cirwin>	the advantage of having namespaces :p
[21:27:56] *^demon 	sacrifices small animals to hurry php 5.3
[21:29:33] <Splarka>	Bizarro Francis of Assisi?
[21:49:51] <Nikerabbit>	^demon: keep your hands off of me
[21:55:00] <buzz_>	cirwin, and the escape character for a namespace separator. what a great choice!
[21:55:52] <cirwin>	buzz_: don't worry about it, php will never get a better reputation :p
[21:56:13] <buzz_>	cirwin, :)
[21:57:42] <buzz_>	so.. whats happening with the 1.14 branch i saw the other day on svn ?
[21:57:48] <buzz_>	give us a rc! :)
[21:58:03] <^demon>	When Tim decides it's stable :)
[21:59:39] <buzz_>	(please .. sweetheart)
[21:59:39] <buzz_>	ive got "1" bug on my perl module i want to close, and I cant till 1.14 comes out :)
[21:59:39] <^demon>	Then go fix some of the 3k-ish bugs in MediaWiki ;-)
[21:59:45] <^demon>	Time for sugar break
[22:00:01] <buzz_>	^demon|away, you really want my code in medawiki? brave :-)
[22:00:27] <Splarka>	maybe he means that you should concentrate on the fixes that involve removing code
[22:00:32] <buzz_>	hehe
[22:00:55] <buzz_>	if there was a bug which I noticed on my site, i probably would fix it, but its hard to find time for all this stuff.
[22:01:06] <buzz_>	and chatting on irc requires time too ;-)
[22:05:32] <^demon|away>	Oh crap, I have to be in class in 25 minutes.
[22:05:33] <^demon|away>	Time to run.
[22:06:27] <CIA-66>	03werdna * r45787 10/branches/change-tagging/: Create change-tagging branch, for some work on tagging specific recent-changes items as suspicious for various reasons (and maybe some other tags).
[22:08:49] <CIA-66>	03tango * r45788 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/Title.php): Page moves should not be minor edits
[22:13:25] <Chymera>	hi people, is it easy to theme my mediawiki installation? are there free themes on the net?
[22:14:23] <Duesentrieb_>	!skin | Chymera
[22:14:23] --mwbot--	Chymera: Overview: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skins>. Skin usage: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Skins>. Gallery of CSS styles: <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gallery_of_user_styles>. Writing your own: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skinning>
[22:16:37] <Chymera>	10x, sry for not reading the man, but I'm currently trying to decide what engine to use
[22:17:35] <tebn>	hi
[22:20:45] <tebn>	can someone take my question?
[22:30:24] <Tango42>	Go ahead and ask, if anyone knows the answer they'll speak up
[22:31:22] <Tango42>	(Didn't the topic used to say to just ask like it does in #wikimedia-tech?)
[22:32:32] <cirwin>	should do
[22:32:49] <cirwin>	though maybe that should be given in big bold letters to anyone who signs onto any IRC channel :)
[22:33:23] <Tango42>	maybe, but until such time as it is, does someone want to change the channel topic? (I never did learn how to do that...)
[22:35:52] <richarddavis>	I want to add some booksources (online book stores and libraries) to my new installation but cannot find where to add these in the source code. I had this working in a previous version but not in the latest release. Can some one point me to where to edit the book sources list? 
[22:48:52] <Tango42>	I don't think it's done in the source code. Try [[Project:Book sources]]. I'm not really sure how that feature works, though.
[23:00:24] <richarddavis>	where is that?
[23:04:12] <Tango42>	go to that page on your wiki
[23:04:59] <Tango42>	I think you make a list of sources there
[23:05:13] <Tango42>	look at the same page on Wikipedia or somewhere for an example
[23:26:00] <Melos>	http://it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=21379837  too strange 19 21 22 px are ok 20px not. why?
[23:29:28] <Splarka>	belgium
[23:30:16] <Splarka>	Pragma: no-cache doesn't fix it...
[23:30:36] <Splarka>	http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_Belgium_(civil).svg?action=purge  and _then_ Pragma: no-cache does
[23:30:41] <Splarka>	Melos: reload, should work now
[23:31:14] <Splarka>	trick: purge the image description page and then shift+ctrl+reload (or whatever+F5 in IE) to hard purge it
[23:31:24] <Splarka>	er, hard purge the thumbnail browser-side that is
[23:34:35] <Melos>	Splarka: now it works :)
[23:35:25] <Splarka>	that forces a re-render
[23:41:28] <cirwin>	how would I get the deletion log of a page into the [[Mediawiki:Deletedtext]] ?
[23:42:54] <CIA-66>	03werdna * r45789 10/branches/change-tagging/phase3/ (8 files in 3 dirs): 
[23:42:54] <CIA-66>	Create tag tables, and show tags on Recent changes, related changes, new pages, watchlist and contributions.
[23:42:54] <CIA-66>	Still to go:
[23:42:54] <CIA-66>	History and logs, and some way of actually adding the tags.
[23:43:48] <Splarka>	cirwin: have to edit the php
[23:43:56] <cirwin>	aww
[23:50:02] <Splarka>	cirwin: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=40723
[23:50:26] <cirwin>	hmm
[23:50:33] <Splarka>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/Article.php?r1=40723&r2=40722&pathrev=40723  specifically
[23:50:50] <cirwin>	how hard would it be to make Special:Log embeddable like Special:RecentChanges?
[23:51:52] <Splarka>	hard to convince them of the need
[23:52:30] <cirwin>	well, it would allow for much greater flexibility - and it wouldn't need to be hardcoded into Article.php, could just be part of the default message
[23:53:08] *cirwin 	personally thinks it would be more useful than embedding recent changes, but hey
[23:54:10] <Splarka>	lots of things would be useful, DPL would be useful
[23:54:17] <Splarka>	but is it _worth_ it
[23:54:36] <Splarka>	it is a nontrivial strain on the systems, and the coders
[23:57:46] <CIA-66>	03dale * r45790 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/ (20 files in 6 dirs): 
[23:57:46] <CIA-66>	* bug fixes in the add_media_wizard
[23:57:46] <CIA-66>	* source image reorganization