[00:07:37] <Rabbitbunny>	Is there a way to display the last edited date of a page?
[00:08:59] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words#Technical_metadata
[00:09:22] <Splarka>	{{REVISIONTIMESTAMP}} etc
[01:09:26] <misterchrister>	hello
[01:10:11] <chuck>	err
[01:10:21] <chuck>	misterchrister: why did you do that
[01:10:31] <misterchrister>	Is there any extension that allows a web-based configuration instead of LocalSettings.php?
[01:10:51] <chuck>	!e Configure
[01:10:51] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Configure
[01:10:59] *werdnum 	wrote a lot of it.
[01:11:05] <misterchrister>	Okay
[01:11:10] <chuck>	does anyone have a copy of the topic? :P
[01:11:18] <chuck>	misterchrister seems to have unset it :P
[01:11:24] <misterchrister>	Huh?
[01:11:33] <chuck>	20:03:50 -!- chriskylejones [n=chriskyl@user-11jl6g3.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #mediawiki
[01:11:36] <chuck>	20:04:08 -!- chriskylejones is now known as misterchrister
[01:11:39] <chuck>	20:06:09 -!- Topic unset by misterchrister on #mediawiki
[01:11:55] <misterchrister>	Oh, Im new to the IRC client I'm using
[01:12:01] <misterchrister>	I pressed ir by accident
[01:12:26] <misterchrister>	:-/ sorry
[01:12:46] <chuck>	that's okay =)
[01:13:20] <chuck>	!bug 15102
[01:13:20] --mwbot--	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15102
[01:13:32] <misterchrister>	Now I know the button to use to remove topics :)
[01:17:57] <misterchrister>	Thanks chuck for the response
[01:18:08] <chuck>	you're welcome
[01:18:22] <misterchrister>	are you a channel op?
[01:19:33] <Simetrical>	/chanserv access #mediawiki list says no.
[01:20:08] <Prodego>	Simetrical: use /msg chanserv why #mediawiki chuck 
[01:20:13] <Prodego>	it's nicer :)
[01:20:27] <Prodego>	what! they blocked itg
[01:20:31] <Prodego>	that is a travesty 
[01:20:34] <Prodego>	ok your way it is then
[01:23:35] <chuck>	gltchez: no, i'm not an op :P
[01:28:59] <zelrikriando>	hello
[01:30:58] <zelrikriando>	I have a question
[01:31:38] <Splarka>	we have a big bag of answers, lets see if they match up
[01:32:01] <zelrikriando>	ok
[01:32:25] <zelrikriando>	i need to change this https://127.0.1.1/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page to something ...online
[01:35:57] <Splarka>	someone else would know more, but I'd think you'd have to find your current IP address and use that, as well as configure your http server (apache or such) to serve to the web, and allow port 80 through your firewall (or 8080)
[01:36:32] <zelrikriando>	:o
[01:37:02] <zelrikriando>	let me try something
[01:38:08] <zelrikriando>	hmm
[01:38:20] <zelrikriando>	can you guys see that : https://24.79.83.187/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page
[01:39:24] <Marybelle>	No.
[01:39:25] <gltchez>	One sec
[01:39:28] <gltchez>	I'm checking
[01:39:37] <gltchez>	Nope sorry
[01:39:42] <zelrikriando>	:/
[01:40:10] <zelrikriando>	well I can but I guess it s because it s on my computer
[01:40:55] <gltchez>	Is it a self-hosted server
[01:41:03] <zelrikriando>	yeah
[01:41:17] <gltchez>	Did you forward the ports in your router?
[01:41:32] <zelrikriando>	no
[01:41:36] <d3d>	hi #mediawiki.. i have a question about semantic media wiki.. can someone tell me why http://ced.zooid.org/wiki/Sandbox#Semantic_data_test doens't work.. thanks !
[01:42:33] <zelrikriando>	gltchez, how to do it
[01:42:46] <gltchez>	Depends on your router
[01:42:50] <zelrikriando>	hmm
[01:42:52] <zelrikriando>	hey
[01:42:57] <zelrikriando>	i just have a modem
[01:43:03] <gltchez>	http://portforward.com
[01:45:58] <d3d>	is there a page for smw stuffs ?
[01:50:27] <zelrikriando>	surfboard SB5102
[01:51:40] <zelrikriando>	I cant find it
[01:53:51] <zelrikriando>	http://forum.utorrent.com/viewtopic.php?id=45832 does that mean i dont need portforwarding
[01:55:04] <___aib>	it appears that hooks are not called if you use api.php? for example, ArticleSaveComplete
[01:56:07] <___aib>	oh, i see a whole section for that ^_^
[02:00:05] <zelrikriando>	:(
[02:01:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow assignment and removal of 'import' group by bureaucrats on mediawiki.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17071  (10happy_melon)
[02:01:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Drafts of protected pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17067  +comment (10public)
[02:02:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Date not readable by #time - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17075  (10dasch_87)
[02:02:58] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Bugzilla is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17081 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; (jeluf)
[02:06:40] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Bugzilla is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17081  +comment (10jeluf)
[02:07:03] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) RenameUser triggering SQL error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17082 normal; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (mattbisanz)
[02:07:22] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Drafts extension doesn't handle page moves gracefully - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17083 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Drafts; (public)
[02:07:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make Drafts optional - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17064  +comment (10public)
[02:08:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) b: doesn't work from Wikibooks; neither n: from Wikinews nor q: from Wikiquote (etc. s:, wikt: future c:) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=955  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[02:09:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable FlaggedRevs Patrolling Configuration on is.wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16476  (10spacebirdy)
[02:09:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) If there are no differences between two revisions, then say " No differences". - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14431  (10nickpj)
[02:10:55] <qsheets>	in which file is the thumbnail generator located?
[02:11:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Log summaries are rendered differently to admins when contents have been concealed by RevisionDelete - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17060  +comment (10mrzmanwiki)
[02:11:50] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Cannot configure extensions in sub-subfolders - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17086 major; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Configure; (siebrand)
[02:11:53] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) image/media workflow improvement - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17085 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Images; (wikipedia)
[02:12:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Unable to play .swf files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17079  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[02:15:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Drafts of protected pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17067  (10matthew.britton)
[02:16:45] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) E-mail notifications are sent on every change ( currently a wrong behaviour) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17084 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Email; (mail)
[02:25:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Drafts of protected pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17067  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[03:15:42] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Sharing of drafts between users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17087 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Drafts; (matthew.britton)
[03:16:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Drafts of protected pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17067  (10matthew.britton)
[03:22:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) IRC recent changes feed does not list patrol log entries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16604  (10JSchulz_4587)
[03:22:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Edit form eats heading CRs (leading blank newlines/whitespace) on save/preview - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12130  summary; +comment (10brion)
[03:23:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make Drafts optional - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17064  (10matthew.britton)
[03:23:23] <zelrikriando>	i need help
[03:25:10] *AaronSchulz 	notices brion
[03:25:10] <brion>	what up
[03:25:35] <zelrikriando>	https://24.79.83.187/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page
[03:25:45] <zelrikriando>	i am the only one who can see it so far
[03:25:50] <AaronSchulz>	brion: better be doing code review ;)
[03:29:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) If there are no differences between two revisions, then say " No differences". - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14431  (10matthew.britton)
[03:31:55] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Save drafts facility - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3781  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[03:39:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make Drafts optional - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17064  +comment (10brion)
[03:39:16] <brion>	AaronSchulz: it's a holiday :)
[03:53:08] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Cannot replace site notice - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17088 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (bugzilla.wikimedia)
[03:56:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Cannot replace site notice - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17088  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[04:02:06] <CIA-6>	03aaron * r45918 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ChangesList.php: 
[04:02:06] <CIA-6>	* Added rollback links to changes lists (bug 9305)
[04:02:06] <CIA-6>	* Remove commend code duplication
[04:02:31] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Rollback buttons in Special:Recentchanges and Special: Watchlist and Special:RecentChangesLinked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9305  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[04:04:10] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Site notice dismiss button has layout problem - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17089 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (bugzilla.wikimedia)
[04:07:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Site notice dismiss button has layout problem - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17089  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[04:08:28] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Site notice has layout problem with links in the upper edge. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17090 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (bugzilla.wikimedia)
[04:08:41] <Charitwo>	AaronSchulz: :O
[04:10:02] <gltchez>	OMG
[04:10:09] <gltchez>	Why was he removed?
[04:11:16] <Marybelle>	What?
[04:11:24] <gltchez>	CIA-6: * Remove commend code duplication
[04:11:25] <gltchez>	6:05 PM
[04:11:25] <gltchez>	ChanServ has removed operator privileges to yksinaisyyteni
[04:12:06] <Marybelle>	She likely did it herself.
[04:12:32] <Charitwo>	she?
[04:12:32] <Marybelle>	She's a real mystery at times.
[04:12:44] <Marybelle>	Nevermind.
[04:18:16] <Splarka>	[Co, Ey, E, S/he, Sie, Xe, Ve Ze, Teh, Zie, En, Thon, Shey, 'E, Squee, Quee] likely did it [coself, emself, eirself, him/herself, xemself, verself, zemself, hirself, temself, zirself, hetself, enself, thonself, shemself, h'self, squirself, queersself]
[04:18:45] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Cannot replace site notice - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17088  +comment (10az1568)
[04:19:31] <Marybelle>	Queersself? I think you made that one up.
[04:20:28] <Splarka>	s/{{fact}}/<ref>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_neutral_pronouns#Neologisms</ref>/
[04:20:36] <Splarka>	though most in that list have {{fact}}, heh
[04:21:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) If there are no differences between two revisions, then say " No differences". - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14431  (10nickpj)
[04:24:02] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gender-neutral_pronoun&diff=256373200&oldid=254937301&diffonly=true  heh
[04:27:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Site notice dismiss button has layout problem - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17089  (10az1568)
[04:44:59] <gltchez>	What are we talking about?
[04:46:23] <Marybelle>	Splarka: Fixed.
[04:46:40] <Marybelle>	And, for bonus points, I fixed the hack separator that the table was using.
[04:52:12] <Splarka>	you're fixed? do I need to use a GNP on you now?
[04:57:20] <werdnum>	I'd like to have a Gross National Product used on me.
[04:57:47] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand
[05:03:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Site notice has layout problem with links in the upper edge. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17090  +comment (10public)
[05:03:54] <Marybelle>	Purodha is who again?
[05:10:43] <Betacommand>	can I get someone to commit the patches on  https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16854
[05:14:10] <werdnum>	I don't know. Can you?
[05:19:56] <Marybelle>	Ass.
[05:20:42] *werdnum 	hides.
[05:23:29] <Betacommand>	werdnum: I cannot
[05:24:27] <werdnum>	Let me have a look.
[05:24:51] <PseudoOne>	Is the siprop=dbrepllag provided by the API seconds? ms, etc? I wasn't sure how my wiki would return a lag of -1 (but this may be because there are no slaves)
[05:25:48] <werdnum>	Betacommand: Looks like you haven't put up your changes to Cite...
[05:25:57] <werdnum>	oh yes you have
[05:26:10] <Betacommand>	werdnum: those are not my patches
[05:26:20] <Betacommand>	I just want that bug fixed :)
[05:26:47] <werdnum>	oic
[05:26:58] <werdnum>	I'd have to test to be sure, but it looks like it might be okay.
[05:27:13] <werdnum>	I don't know anything about the Cite code, and I don't know if that's all you need to do to add parser options.
[05:56:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make Drafts optional - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17064  (10public)
[07:26:07] <PseudoOne>	hey guys .. I don't know if there's anything wrong, but I'm trying to run 'api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&rvlimit=5&rvuser=PseudoOne' on api.php, the only thing returned is <api />. Is there something else that needs to be included in the request?
[07:29:19] <metheocrite>	Hi.
[07:29:35] <metheocrite>	Is there a way to mark multiple revisions as patrolled ?
[07:31:21] <metheocrite>	I have a diff in Special:Recent_changes that states "(25 changes)" (with the Enhanced recent changes in the prefs)
[08:08:12] <Splarka>	eeeeeeeenteresting
[08:08:45] <Splarka>	if someone reverts themself to the status a page was at before they started editing, you can't roll them back, obviously
[08:08:50] <Splarka>	since rollback aborts if there is no change
[08:09:00] <Splarka>	but if you use &bot=1, their edits are still marked as bot
[08:09:04] <werdnum>	whee
[08:09:10] <Splarka>	http://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:J.delanoy&action=history
[08:09:16] <Splarka>	http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges
[08:10:11] <Splarka>	vs http://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&hidebots=0
[08:30:31] <Marybelle>	!defaultsettings
[08:30:31] --mwbot--	For the current version of DefaultSettings.php, see: <http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/DefaultSettings.php?view=markup>.
[08:30:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Site notice has layout problem with links in the upper edge. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17090  (10bugzilla.wikimedia)
[08:42:26] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Block log entry truncated - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17091 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (bugzilla.wikimedia)
[08:46:31] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Block log entry truncated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17091  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[08:46:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Comments may be cut off on page moves and page protections - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16921  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[08:53:22] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Type:date should support ISO output format - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17075  major->15enhancement; normal->high; summary; +comment (10markus)
[08:54:41] <kraut>	moin
[08:55:37] <GrizlY>	Hellow everyone ) 
[08:55:37] <GrizlY>	Maybe someone try to get categories from wiki db? whitout using categoretree?
[08:55:37] <GrizlY>	I have a little trouble with it
[08:55:37] <GrizlY>	If i dosn't mistake, it is connect between namespace and categories? How I can easy select categories of 1 level in wiki? 
[08:55:37] <GrizlY>	Sorry for my English )
[08:56:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Hiding log entries with RevisionDelete does not automatically hide the corresponding page history entry - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17053  (10happy_melon)
[08:57:14] <CIA-6>	03siebrand * r45919 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/mediawiki-defines.txt: optional for 'sign-emailto'
[09:07:24] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Autoblock expiry time versus admin selected block expiry time. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17092 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Blocking; (bugzilla.wikimedia)
[09:18:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Site notice has layout problem with links in the upper edge. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17090  (10p858snake)
[09:20:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Site notice has layout problem with links in the upper edge. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17090  +comment (10p858snake)
[09:33:42] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Block log messages need date and time of expiry separated. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17093 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (bugzilla.wikimedia)
[09:34:12] <metheocrite>	Sorry to ask again, but is there a way to mark multiple revisions as patrolled ?
[09:40:50] <Laaknor>	metheocrite: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8697
[09:42:47] <Guenthi>	Hi! Is there any tool which synchronizes several MediaWiki installations with separate namespaces together into one MediaWiki installation?
[09:42:49] <metheocrite>	Oh thank you Laaknor 
[09:43:24] <Laaknor>	Guenthi: you might do something with special:export
[09:43:45] <Laaknor>	and then importing it later
[09:45:35] <Guenthi>	laaknor: we have several installations with documentation for customers. customers have access to it. But it's difficult to search for information across all thos installations.
[09:46:38] <Laaknor>	you want diffrent wikis, but synchronize them every night or something like that?
[09:46:46] <Guenthi>	of course we could consolidate it in one installation and then give special user rights with something like Extension:Simple_Security
[09:47:32] <Guenthi>	laaknor: yes, something like that. I'm still searching for ideas.
[09:48:48] <Laaknor>	you could do a dump every night, search and replace namespaces in the dumpfile, and reimport it to a second wiki
[09:50:42] <Guenthi>	ok, thank you.
[09:55:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Comments may be cut off on page moves and page protections - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16921  (10bugzilla.wikimedia)
[09:55:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Sanitizer rejects valid xhtml attributes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17031  summary (10gbruin)
[10:05:10] <CIA-6>	03siebrand * r45920 10/trunk/extensions/SignDocument/SpecialSignDocument.i18n.php: Remove optional messages that are the same as the fallback message
[10:28:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Sysop and bureaucrat rights not effective after adding user via UserLoadFromSession hook . - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17077  +comment (10puhelin09)
[10:55:12] <guillom>	Splarka, can I use testwiki to check how some image metadata are rendered, or is there a better place for that?
[11:08:04] *Splarka 	wonders why he gives off such a sense of authority
[11:08:17] *Splarka 	should buy a security guard uniform and armored truck and hang around banks
[11:11:00] <Splarka>	guillom: is it specifically for wikimedia images or personal experimentation? generally test.wp is for the active developers to use to try new versions of wikimedia before general scap under the unique setup WMF uses, and for the community to try potential extensions and settings such as flaggedrevs and drafts against same
[11:11:16] <Splarka>	(at least, that's what I've heard)
[11:16:51] <guillom>	Splarka, the images will be ultimately uploaded to Commons ; I guess I can also upload them to Commons and delete the test revisions
[11:17:20] <Splarka>	hmm
[11:17:32] <Splarka>	well, if possible, just upload the metadata attached to some small image or such
[11:18:04] <Splarka>	the size of the image shouldn't matter, and as images are stored indefinitely, repeatedly uploading a 20 meg, file just to check the meta is kinda silly when a 32x32 thumbnail would work just as fine
[11:18:38] <guillom>	heh, didn't think of that; thanks
[11:18:41] <Splarka>	(even though there can be tens to hundreds of kilos of metafluff)
[11:24:52] <p858snake>	so whats happening with bug #15842
[11:24:54] <p858snake>	?
[11:41:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Tracking category for __NOINDEX__ - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16979  +comment (10ameliorate)
[11:42:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Sanitizer rejects valid xhtml attributes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17031   +need-review (10gbruin)
[11:43:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Sysop and bureaucrat rights not effective after adding user via UserLoadFromSession hook . - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17077  (10puhelin09)
[11:46:08] <Marybelle>	p858snake: Regarding https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17090#c4
[11:46:26] <Marybelle>	Part B, you can either have the text properly centered or you can push it down a bit.
[11:46:30] <Marybelle>	You can't have both.
[11:54:28] <p858snake>	i think you mean a, B was talking about shifting the whole box a pixel or two down so the two borders don't hit
[12:06:04] <Dack>	I need help, I have to start develop a new feature in a mediawiki. I'm a total begginer, I got basic skills in PHP but I got skills and experience in OO Programing..... so, is there any special IDE (special for begginers?)..? I need to add a checkButton in a corner of each page only visible for wiki-admins with special feature to enable the reading log of this page by every user.. 
[12:06:42] <Marybelle>	p858snake: Yeah.
[12:07:19] <Marybelle>	Part B I could fix really quickly, but I'm going to sleep.
[12:07:39] <Marybelle>	I promise that the version you're seeing now is much better than the previous versions, at least. ;-)
[12:07:58] <Marybelle>	At least we got rid of the padding:0 120px; :-)
[12:09:24] <p858snake>	well you can still have the text on the top line in center but it won't be true center
[12:09:51] <p858snake>	unless you have a div ontop of the one below it with the hide button 
[12:11:30] <Marybelle>	I wanted true center.
[12:13:19] <p858snake>	well it would be, if you have two divs exactly ontop of each other, you have the ad in the top one centered and then you have hide in the one below it in the second div
[12:13:35] <p858snake>	but i believe people hate absolutely postioned divs
[12:13:54] <Marybelle>	Indeed.
[12:18:22] <zocky>	people hat all kinds of stuff
[12:18:37] <zocky>	that's why you see idiots constructing tables out of floated divs
[12:18:42] <zocky>	because "tables are evil"
[12:19:02] <p858snake>	but absoulate tables play up with differnt screen res'es
[12:19:24] <Splarka>	chat, ghat, hate, hath, hats, khat, phat, shat, that, what?
[12:20:05] <p858snake>	*absoulate divs
[12:20:42] <zocky>	depends how you do it
[12:21:00] <Marybelle>	Hatable.
[12:21:23] <zocky>	if you put an absolute div inside a relative div, and make it cover the relative div completely, then it behaves exactly the same as the relative div around it
[12:23:12] <zocky>	<div style="position:relative"><div style="position:absolute;top:0;left:0;width:100%;height:100%">A</div><div style="position:absolute;top:0;left:0;width:100%;height:100%">B</div></div>
[12:23:47] <zocky>	^ that produces a B on top of an A, and the whole thing behaves exactly the same as if you just put an A directly into the outer div
[12:24:32] <zocky>	if the outer div has dimensions, of course, otherwise browsers won't concur
[12:28:06] <greenshoe>	I'm looking for a way to do a chart, but maybe I shouldn't be searching for "chart".  What I really want to do is show partition layouts, like one would see in gparted, or in a utility like partition magic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:GParted.png
[12:28:37] <greenshoe>	this way, I can write an article and discuss/compare/contrast different partitioning schemes without having to include pictures.
[12:28:41] <greenshoe>	ideas?
[12:33:48] <Dack>	I need help, I have to start develop a new feature in a mediawiki. I'm a total begginer, I got basic skills in PHP but I got skills and experience in OO Programing..... so, is there any special IDE (special for begginers?)..? I need to add a checkButton in a corner of each page only visible for wiki-admins with special feature to enable the reading log of this page by every user.. 
[12:36:33] <p858snake>	reading log?
[12:38:03] <greenshoe>	I'm thinking maybe I could hack at timeline to make it do what I want...
[12:43:28] <p858snake>	greenshoe: you can esily do that with a wiki table!
[12:44:00] <p858snake>	its just cells with borders and some background-color in them
[13:14:02] <CIA-6>	03catrope * r45921 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/updaters.inc: Fix up r45897: indexInfo() returns an array of objects rather than an object
[13:15:58] <Dack>	Sorry, I've been fixing an urgent matter....... 
[13:16:17] <Dack>	yes I'd like to log the readings
[13:17:02] <Dack>	to store in the DB the page/user/date/ of each reading
[13:17:31] <Dack>	something like a hitcounter for each page/user
[13:20:30] <QaDeS>	hiyas
[13:23:11] <yannf>	i have a pb with webstore
[13:23:18] <yannf>	http://www.wikilivres.info/w/images/thumb/d/dc/Platon_-_Œuvres_complètes_-_Tome_VIII,_2.djvu/page3-644px-Platon_-_Œuvres_complètes_-_Tome_VIII,_2.djvu.jpg
[13:23:33] <yannf>	webstore_temp_open: Erreur d'ouverture du fichier temporaire
[13:23:46] <yannf>	error opening temporary file
[13:36:38] <yannf>	hello? can anyone help please?
[13:38:48] <CIA-6>	03shinjiman * r45922 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): Localisation updates Cantonese, Chinese and Old/Late Time Chinese
[13:47:56] <I-MOD>	i have no idea what might cause that error, but i'm kind of new to wiki troubleshooting
[13:50:18] <CIA-6>	03catrope * r45923 10/trunk/phase3/includes/UploadBase.php: Fix typo
[13:56:36] <yannf>	'DJVU::GUTF8String DJVU::ByteStream::Stdio::init(const DJVU::GURL&, const char*)'
[13:56:52] <yannf>	that's what I got in /var/log/apache2/error.log
[13:57:01] <CIA-6>	03jojo * r45924 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/ (5 files): changed visible occurances of "collection" with "book". Special:Collection has been renamed to Special:Book.
[14:01:19] <greenshoe>	p858snake: thanks!  I'll try that later.  :-)  
[14:21:41] <Mr-Fine>	Hello Room
[14:22:07] <Mr-Fine>	OBAMA took oath?
[14:23:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Sysop and bureaucrat rights not effective after adding user via UserLoadFromSession hook . - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17077  (10puhelin09)
[14:23:27] <I-MOD>	Mr-Fine, at noon iirc
[14:26:40] <yannf>	Erreur lors de la création de la miniature : ddjvu: Cannot render image
[14:26:41] <yannf>	ppmtojpeg: EOF / read error reading magic number
[14:26:55] <yannf>	how do I know what's the problem?
[14:27:03] <yannf>	http://wikilivres.info/w/index.php?title=Image:Self_Restraint_vs_Self_Indulgence.djvu&page=2
[14:27:37] <RoanKattouw>	Mr-Fine: It's still morning in the US. I don't know when his inauguration is scheduled though
[14:27:39] *RoanKattouw 	finds out
[14:28:26] <I-MOD>	i thought it was 1200 eastern time, but i could be wrong
[14:29:31] <RoanKattouw>	I-MOD: Yeah, just found it. He'll be sworn in at 11:30 ET and do his speech at 12
[14:29:31] <Mr-Fine>	I heard around 12 Noon
[14:30:15] <Mr-Fine>	right president for todays world :)
[14:31:03] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah he was my pick too. But then I'm European, so that doesn't say much :P
[14:33:16] <Mr-Fine>	RoanKattouw: I'm working on a news website wiki, you've any idea or suggestion?
[14:33:41] <RoanKattouw>	Mr-Fine: Look at wikinews for ideas? :P
[14:33:59] <Mr-Fine>	yeah
[14:34:09] <I-MOD>	i went with the libertarians for this election...
[14:35:27] <Mr-Fine>	I'm using Modern skin, and I wanna remove Main Page title, how's it possible?
[14:36:12] <yannf>	Erreur lors de la création de la miniature : ddjvu: Cannot render image
[14:36:15] <yannf>	ppmtojpeg: EOF / read error reading magic number
[14:36:17] <yannf>	how do I know what's the problem?
[14:36:20] <yannf>	http://wikilivres.info/w/index.php?title=Image:Self_Restraint_vs_Self_Indulgence.djvu&page=2
[14:36:37] <Mr-Fine>	second, How can I remove or hide Toolbox from modern skin? I've removed it before using php file but it affecting my wiki...
[14:36:39] <RoanKattouw>	Mr-Fine: I believe Wikipedia/Wikinews do that using CSS
[14:36:48] <RoanKattouw>	Mr-Fine: I suggest CSS for both
[14:36:58] <Mr-Fine>	yannf: Please stop!
[14:37:06] <yannf>	Mr-Fine, ??
[14:37:15] <yannf>	stop what?
[14:37:22] <Mr-Fine>	yannf: Dont repeat yourself..
[14:37:28] <RoanKattouw>	yannf: It's not appreciated if you repeat your question *too* often. You're not crossing the line (yet) IMO though
[14:37:41] <RoanKattouw>	But don't repeat it every 5 mins, that annoys people
[14:37:54] <yannf>	well, nobody answers... :(
[14:37:59] <RoanKattouw>	Mr-Fine: Both the box and the title should have some unique ID: <div id="foo">...</div>
[14:38:02] <Mr-Fine>	yannf: You'll be offcourse KICKED out. Beleive me :D
[14:38:23] <RoanKattouw>	yannf: Remember that it's early morning in the US right now, and that it's Inauguration Day (a national holiday)
[14:38:35] <yannf>	I've asked help twice, not even one answer
[14:38:35] <^demon>	It's not a national holiday. We're just treating it like one.
[14:38:36] <^demon>	Hehe
[14:38:45] <RoanKattouw>	Mr-Fine: Look up that ID, then hide it by putting #foo { display: none; } in your CSS
[14:38:49] <RoanKattouw>	(where foo is the ID)
[14:39:16] <RoanKattouw>	^demon: I was under the impression that it was an official holiday as in that people get the day off
[14:39:25] <Mr-Fine>	are you sure?
[14:39:36] <^demon>	Nope, if businesses/schools close that's their own decision.
[14:39:55] <^demon>	Yesterday was Martin Luther King day, which is a federal holiday, actually.
[14:40:13] <^demon>	My university stayed open :-\
[14:40:22] <RoanKattouw>	According to enwiki, today's also a Federal Holiday
[14:40:28] <Mr-Fine>	RoanKattouw: I've hide history tap using #ca-history { display: none !important; } in css file
[14:40:56] <RoanKattouw>	Mr-Fine: Yeah (oh, forgot the !imporant part, whatever)
[14:41:02] <RoanKattouw>	This is pretty much the same idea
[14:41:12] <Mr-Fine>	where can I find unique id of toolbox and title=Main Page?
[14:41:17] <RoanKattouw>	^demon: Constitutionally, there are no "national holidays" in the United States because Congress only has authority to create holidays for federal institutions (including federally owned properties) and employees, and for the District of Columbia. Instead, there are federal holidays, state holidays, city holidays, and so on.
[14:41:47] <RoanKattouw>	^demon: Most countries define national holidays (like Christmas) on which people cannot be legally required to work
[14:42:11] <Mr-Fine>	RoanKattouw: Please dont go deep :)
[14:43:57] <^demon>	I'm too used to localities pretty much following the federal schedule (which is more or less how it happens)...I suppose this is an instance of deviation from the federal holidays.
[14:44:31] <RoanKattouw>	Well according to WP Inaug. Day is only observed in the DC area to reduce congestion
[14:44:46] <Mr-Fine>	RoanKattouw: Please stop yourself 
[14:45:09] <^demon>	I was in DC Saturday/Sunday, but fled the city like it was on fire :p
[14:45:24] <^demon>	They're shutting down all inbound highways today...it's crazy.
[14:45:26] <RoanKattouw>	Mr-Fine: ?
[14:45:34] <Mr-Fine>	Dont go in deep..
[14:46:13] *Mr-Fine 	realise, we are here to discuss over MediaWiki not General.......
[14:46:38] <RoanKattouw>	Mr-Fine: Sorry, missed your question. To find that ID, look through the HTML. You'll see your box or title wrapped in a <div id="something">...</div> tag
[14:46:48] <^demon>	If this channel only ever discussed Mediawiki, we'd all have been kicked at some point hehe.
[14:46:58] <RoanKattouw>	If you use Firefox, select it and use Selection sourec
[14:47:16] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah. We've even discussed speed limits in various countries at some point
[14:47:28] <Mr-Fine>	^demon: I noticed everybody is busy in Real lifes... that's why you are still here :)
[14:47:33] <RoanKattouw>	And the aesthetics of yellow traffic signs
[14:48:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) E-mail notifications are sent on every change ( currently a wrong behaviour) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17084  15enhancement->04CRIT; normal->high; +comment (10mail)
[14:49:02] <^demon>	RoanKattouw: I prefer the green ones ;-)
[14:49:30] <Mr-Fine>	RoanKattouw: I thnk id for Toolbox is toolbox, what you say both?
[14:49:40] <RoanKattouw>	Lemme see
[14:49:48] <^demon>	Don't know. Don't have MW open in any windows.
[14:50:05] <RoanKattouw>	Mr-Fine: I think it's p-tb
[14:50:15] <RoanKattouw>	But I could be wrong, lemme dig a little deeper
[14:50:42] <Mr-Fine>	ok..I am waiting :)
[14:51:01] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's p-tb
[14:51:51] <Mr-Fine>	#-tb { display: none !important; }
[14:51:57] <RoanKattouw>	p-rb
[14:51:58] <Mr-Fine>	Is it ok for hiding toolbox?
[14:52:00] <RoanKattouw>	p-tb sorry
[14:52:03] <RoanKattouw>	(mind the 
[14:52:05] <RoanKattouw>	p
[14:52:07] <RoanKattouw>	)
[14:52:11] <Mr-Fine>	oh, i missed
[14:52:23] <Mr-Fine>	dont be too fast
[14:52:46] <Mr-Fine>	#p-tb { display: none !important; }  Now?
[14:53:32] <Mr-Fine>	why !important is neccessary to use?
[14:55:03] <RoanKattouw>	I don't know
[14:55:40] <RoanKattouw>	For hiding the main page title, try .title-Main_Page h1.firstHeading { display: none !important; }
[14:55:58] <RoanKattouw>	(Assuming your main page is called [[Main_Page]] and not something else)
[14:56:40] <Mr-Fine>	yeah, that was not worked
[14:56:51] <qq[IrcCity]>	hello!   is there some MediaWiki site on 1.15?    I need a simple test before reporting a bug.
[14:57:36] <Mr-Fine>	!siteusingmediawiki
[14:57:36] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "siteusingmediawiki".
[14:57:50] <RoanKattouw>	qq[IrcCity]: Wikipedia is on a relatively recent revision of SVN HEAD
[14:58:05] <RoanKattouw>	qq[IrcCity]: See [[Special:Version]] to see which rev they're running
[14:58:20] <RoanKattouw>	(SVN HEAD = 1.15alpha)
[14:59:29] <Mr-Fine>	not worked
[14:59:43] <RoanKattouw>	Link?
[15:01:24] <RoanKattouw>	Gah, my mistake: title-Main_Page should be page-Main_Page
[15:03:17] <Mr-Fine>	you can still check it :D
[15:04:24] <qq[IrcCity]>	RoanKattouw, Enlglish Wikipedia is 1.14alpha (r45489), also Metawiki and Mediawikiwiki.
[15:04:41] <Mr-Fine>	are you sure about . before page-Main_Page ?
[15:04:46] <RoanKattouw>	Mr-Fine: Yes.
[15:04:59] <RoanKattouw>	qq[IrcCity]: I guess 1.15alpha hasn't officially started yet, since 1.14 hasn't been released yet
[15:05:01] <Mr-Fine>	then why its not working if everything is olright
[15:05:13] <RoanKattouw>	Anyway, r45489 is a pretty recent revision IIRC
[15:05:15] <Mr-Fine>	Roan is right
[15:05:27] <RoanKattouw>	05:34, 7 January 2009
[15:05:38] <RoanKattouw>	Hmm, not as recent as I thought
[15:05:49] <RoanKattouw>	Mr-Fine: I don't know, lemme check
[15:05:54] <Mr-Fine>	hehehe
[15:06:44] <RoanKattouw>	Mr-Fine: Argh, try h1#firstHeading
[15:07:06] <Mr-Fine>	You cannot still fix this then how could you fix it my Wiki? becuase I've replaced Title Page with Site Name and put Title page on Text area... Its too comlicated there :D
[15:07:25] <Mr-Fine>	i thnk you are still not sure but let me try
[15:07:35] <RoanKattouw>	Mr-Fine: Surely the main page has a *name* :P
[15:07:44] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah, I'm not that good at CSS stuff, I'm doing the best I can
[15:07:54] <Mr-Fine>	hhmm I see
[15:08:00] <Mr-Fine>	keep doing. No problem
[15:08:31] <Mr-Fine>	anybody here with good knowledge off CSS?
[15:09:41] <Mr-Fine>	MrHappy: Mr-Fine here :D
[15:10:04] <Mr-Fine>	Roan: Its worked, thanks :)
[15:10:28] <MrHappy>	Hi Mr-Fine, good to see another Mr Man using MediaWiki
[15:11:05] <RoanKattouw>	Mr-Fine: Good.
[15:11:08] <Mr-Fine>	MrHappy: here are alot Mr Man using same software
[15:11:55] <Mr-Fine>	MrHappy: Are you new to MediaWiki ?
[15:12:07] *Mr-Fine 	would like to help you :)
[15:14:57] <MrHappy>	MediaWiki is running fine at the moment, no questions at the moment, just lurking.
[15:15:24] <Mr-Fine>	ok,
[15:15:32] <Mr-Fine>	you wanna share your wiki?
[15:15:39] <MrHappy>	found out about the protect tab last week, someone was asking how to protect pages from users in the company where I work.
[15:15:44] <Mr-Fine>	I mean if I can take a look at your Wiki/
[15:15:58] <MrHappy>	internal company wiki. no public access.
[15:16:03] <Mr-Fine>	ops
[15:16:34] <MrHappy>	runs on a sun v120
[15:16:49] <MrHappy>	just got a new sun v440 to run it on.
[15:17:10] <Mr-Fine>	what is SUN versionn??
[15:17:32] <Mr-Fine>	!sun
[15:17:32] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "sun".
[15:17:45] <MrHappy>	solaris 10
[15:18:10] <Mr-Fine>	MrHappy: I'm working on a News wiki. You have any suggesstion?
[15:18:33] <MrHappy>	http://www.sun.com/servers/entry/v440/
[15:18:48] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) [[[Special:PrefixIndex]] ignores trailing spaces ( or underscores) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17094 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (qq)
[15:18:59] <MrHappy>	care to share the url?
[15:19:41] <Mr-Fine>	MrHappy: sure but still no good development
[15:20:06] <^demon>	Mr-Fine: As a general point, mwbot doesn't know what you're !talking about. Better to not use it unless you're already pretty sure a reply exists :)
[15:20:10] <yannf>	webstore_curl: Erreur depuis cURL : couldn't connect to host
[15:20:20] <yannf>	what does it mean?
[15:20:31] <Mr-Fine>	yannf: Again!!!
[15:20:34] <^demon>	Means cURL timed out trying to connect to a remote host.
[15:20:50] <Mr-Fine>	ops, sorry, Its another question !! 
[15:20:52] <yannf>	why would it try to connect to a remote host?
[15:21:00] <^demon>	What were you trying to do?
[15:21:17] <yannf>	using Webstore
[15:21:40] <Mr-Fine>	yannf: are you creating a webstore using MediaWiki?
[15:22:10] <yannf>	webstore is required for the proofreadpage extension
[15:22:20] <Mr-Fine>	that wondersful,  I wanna check it..  URL Please
[15:22:38] <yannf>	http://www.wikilivres.info/wiki/Page:Platon_-_%C5%92uvres_compl%C3%A8tes_-_Tome_VIII%2C_2.djvu/4
[15:22:45] <yannf>	the image doesn't appear
[15:23:20] <yannf>	it seems that it is related to webstore config
[15:27:52] <yannf>	i was told that webstore creates thumbnails
[15:28:02] <^demon>	You didn't change  $wgWebStoreSettings['httpOverallTimeout'] from the default, did you?
[15:28:37] <yannf>	no
[15:28:56] <^demon>	Hmm, default timeout is 3mins.
[15:29:28] <yannf>	nothing like this is mentioned here http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WebStore
[15:30:51] <Mr-Fine>	^demon: Are you good with CSS
[15:31:25] <^demon>	I suppose. What's up?
[15:31:46] <^demon>	yannf: I'm just shooting in the dark...I've never used WebStore. I'd just suggest rechecking your config :-\
[15:31:53] <Mr-Fine>	I wanna hide or remove Main Page title, I am using Modify modern skin
[15:32:08] <Mr-Fine>	http://wikifamily.yourwiki.net
[15:33:36] <^demon>	body.page-Main_Page skin-modern h1#firstHeading { display: none; }
[15:33:49] <^demon>	^ Should do it. You could remove the skin-modern bit actually.
[15:33:50] <yannf>	^demon, the pb is that there is no mention of a required specific config for Webstore
[15:34:06] <^demon>	:-
[15:34:08] <^demon>	:-\
[15:34:25] <^demon>	Mr-Fine: I just made account ^demon. Could you sysop it please?
[15:34:39] <Mr-Fine>	but why?
[15:35:00] <^demon>	I'll tweak your Common.css to make it work.
[15:35:08] <^demon>	Actually, nvm. I'll do it on my local user's css.
[15:35:12] <^demon>	Then you can copy it.
[15:35:12] <Mr-Fine>	ok, i've no problem
[15:35:27] <Mr-Fine>	as you say :)
[15:35:54] <Prom_cat>	Mr-Fine: Ill do it :)
[15:36:07] <Mr-Fine>	Prom_cat: Hi
[15:39:01] *Mr-Fine 	is Waiting
[15:39:13] <^demon>	Da heck?
[15:39:15] <^demon>	body.page-Main_Page div#mw_header h1#firstHeading { display: none !important; }
[15:39:18] <^demon>	^ Not working?
[15:39:32] <yannf>	i added $wgDebugLogFile = "/var/log/apache2/wikilivres.info-debug_log";
[15:39:41] <Mr-Fine>	da heck?
[15:39:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Sysop and bureaucrat rights not effective after adding user via UserLoadFromSession hook . - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17077  (10puhelin09)
[15:40:01] <yannf>	but I don't get anything
[15:40:15] <yannf>	the debug log is empty
[15:40:29] <^demon>	yannf: If WebStore doesn't call wfDebug/wfDebugLog() anywhere, you won't see anything.
[15:40:40] <yannf>	ah :/
[15:41:30] <^demon>	Might make sense for it to ;-)
[15:41:56] <Mr-Fine>	^demon: It is hiding my header not page title
[15:42:07] <Mr-Fine>	check it here : http://wikifamily.yourwiki.net/wiki/Main_Page
[15:42:12] <Mr-Fine>	Prom_cat: What do you sat?
[15:42:20] <Mr-Fine>	say^
[15:42:38] <^demon>	Oh crap, wrong h1 :D
[15:43:02] <Mr-Fine>	oh yeah :O
[15:43:09] <yannf>	how do I get a meaningful error message?
[15:43:27] <Mr-Fine>	it h2
[15:43:48] <^demon>	I've got no h2's in source.
[15:44:04] <^demon>	yannf: Throw some wfDebugLog() calls into WebStore?
[15:44:09] <^demon>	Where you think it might be failing.
[15:44:53] <Mr-Fine>	ops
[15:44:57] <yannf>	I am not even sure that's the problem...
[15:44:59] <Mr-Fine>	you are right
[15:45:37] <Mr-Fine>	http://familywiki.yourwiki.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Modern.js
[15:45:42] <Martin^>	is there a plugin that can allow me to display article discussions below the main article?
[15:45:51] <Mr-Fine>	http://wikifamily.yourwiki.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Modern.js
[15:47:03] <Mr-Fine>	Prom_cat: What've you done?
[15:47:59] <Prom_cat>	Mr-Fine: Is a css thing
[15:48:21] <Mr-Fine>	maybe
[15:52:23] <CIA-6>	03mkroetzsch * r45925 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticResultFormats/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
[15:52:23] <CIA-6>	New (beta) Exhibit faceted result view by Fabian Howahl and MIT CSAIL. Clients currently load Javascript from an external server (will be fixed),
[15:52:23] <CIA-6>	hence the format is not enabled by default for now. Documentation follows on the mailing lists.
[16:00:06] <Mr-Fine1>	I'm back, What i missed?
[16:00:07] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Allow users to receive e-mail notifications "once a day", "once a week" and "new occurrences" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17095 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User preferences; (heldergeovane)
[16:01:00] <CIA-6>	03rotem * r45926 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/ (Collection.alias.php Collection.i18n.php): Localization update for he.
[16:02:17] <Mr-Fine>	Prom_cat: Why are you editing Modern.css?
[16:02:29] <Mr-Fine>	I thnk you might try Common.css
[16:03:15] <Prom_cat>	No
[16:03:20] <Prom_cat>	Its modern specific
[16:03:27] <Mr-Fine>	oh
[16:03:57] <Mr-Fine>	but editing Common.css is also work fine in Modern skin
[16:04:49] <Mr-Fine>	by the way, you get anyway to hide Main page title :)
[16:14:59] <yannf>	TimStarling, are you here?
[16:16:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) action=upload should be added to the API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15227  (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[16:19:45] <CIA-6>	03mkroetzsch * r45927 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticResultFormats/Exhibit/SRF_Exhibit.php: Do not use global query counter to determine if you are the first Exhibit on this page; the new method is a quick fix but not perfect yet
[16:49:17] <yannf>	i have an error message: "The site took too long to respond. Please check the site is up, wait a short while and try again. You may want to try at a less busy time."
[16:49:35] <yannf>	however my site is not overloaded
[16:49:58] <yannf>	i have MRTG stats
[16:50:10] <yannf>	 web server stats, etc.
[16:50:20] <yannf>	so what's wrong?
[16:56:12] <clamiax>	hi
[16:56:32] <clamiax>	is there a way to link an internal image to an internal page without using the external link method?
[16:56:53] <clamiax>	I would like to do i thing like this: [[Pagename| [[Image:AnImage.png]] ]]
[16:57:41] <clamiax>	but it of course doesn't work. I'm reading the Help:Navigational_image page didn't find strictly what i'm looking for. Aynone can point me to the right URI/book/anything?
[16:57:44] <clamiax>	THX in advance.
[16:58:00] <^demon>	It was added in v1.14
[16:58:09] <^demon>	The link= parameter to an [[Image:]]
[16:58:49] <clamiax>	mmh.. i'm on 1.13. Is there a patch available for such feature or should I forcely upgrade to the SVN version?
[16:59:16] <^demon>	1.14 has been branched and should be released soon-ish.
[17:00:37] <^demon>	The SVN version would put you with 1.15alpha.
[17:02:10] <clamiax>	mmh
[17:02:16] <clamiax>	no, it's 1.14alpha.
[17:03:38] <^demon>	Because those revisions haven't been put live yet on WMF sites. Highest svn rev (r45927) is 1.15alpha (I'm running it locally)
[17:03:47] <clamiax>	ok
[17:06:04] <CIA-6>	03ashley * r45928 10/trunk/extensions/DeleteBatch/ (4 files): 
[17:06:04] <CIA-6>	DeleteBatch:
[17:06:04] <CIA-6>	*code cleanup
[17:06:04] <CIA-6>	*mark visibility of some functions
[17:06:04] <CIA-6>	*move colons from source to messages
[17:06:05] <CIA-6>	*use the special page aliases since we have them
[17:06:07] <CIA-6>	*remove 'deletebatch-button' message; obsoleted by one of the code changes introduced in this rev
[17:07:07] <clamiax>	Okay, i'll make a template.
[17:20:16] <CIA-6>	03ashley * r45929 10/trunk/extensions/SocialProfile/ (3 files in 3 dirs): SocialProfile: messages for Special:ListGroupRights
[17:28:15] <ShakespeareFan00>	Hi wikimarkup issue
[17:28:22] <ShakespeareFan00>	See template X9 on enwiki 
[17:28:42] <ShakespeareFan00>	How do I put a | charcter in a template string without it being read as markup
[17:35:34] <Prodego|away>	ShakespeareFan00: {{|}}
[17:35:36] <Prodego|away>	sorry
[17:35:38] <Prodego|away>	{{!}}
[17:36:55] <ShakespeareFan00>	Still not right :(
[17:37:17] <Prodego|away>	what are you try to do
[17:37:20] <ShakespeareFan00>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:X9 What am I doing wrong because at the moment the template shouldn't be giving problems
[17:37:51] <ShakespeareFan00>	Prodego: Recently a lot of enwiki templates were amended to use {{CommonsEncouraged}}
[17:38:10] <ShakespeareFan00>	{{Self}} emeds these tags and shows a move to commons tag sutomatically
[17:38:19] <ShakespeareFan00>	*embeds
[17:38:23] <ShakespeareFan00>	*automatically
[17:38:59] <Prodego|away>	and what isn't working?
[17:39:43] <ShakespeareFan00>	The CommonsEncouraged amended image tags take a param {{{Commons}} which allows for the MOve to commons to be switched off once the image is moved
[17:39:59] <ShakespeareFan00>	There is no way to pass this down via {{Self}}
[17:40:15] <ShakespeareFan00>	So I tried to amend {{self}} to support this
[17:40:20] <ShakespeareFan00>	which broke it
[17:40:38] <ShakespeareFan00>	because {{{commons}}} needed to be defined on each invocation
[17:41:11] <ShakespeareFan00>	So I am trying to make the amended version of self in {{X9}} indepdent of a {{{commons}}} param beign present
[17:41:18] <ShakespeareFan00>	and it is proving somewhat elusivwe
[17:41:24] <ShakespeareFan00>	Any thoughts?
[17:44:45] <ShakespeareFan00>	Or shall I jsut give up?
[17:50:47] <clamiax>	i've put the following in my Template:ImgIntlink: [http://netbsdit.altervista.org/wiki/{{{2}}} http://netbsdit.altervista.org/wiki/Image:{{{1}}}]
[17:51:43] <clamiax>	but when using the template instead of get the image i get the image link as text linked into the first argument (which is right). How can i change this behaviour in order to get the image, instead of the image link when using this template?
[17:52:05] <clamiax>	Note: if i use directly the above code instead of using the template it works properly.
[17:54:05] <ShakespeareFan00>	The contents of Template:X9 should be working properly but aren't
[17:54:27] <ShakespeareFan00>	Can someone please explain in 'idioiot' proof terms what I am doing wrong?
[17:54:54] <clamiax>	Sorry for the spam, i changed my code to this: [{{SERVER}}{{localurl:{{{2}}}}} {{SERVER}}{{localurl:Image:{{{1}}}}}]
[17:55:04] <clamiax>	Of course i have the same problem.
[18:04:04] <clamiax>	i figured out the problem
[18:04:07] <clamiax>	(hopefully)
[18:21:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) action=upload should be added to the API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15227  (10roan.kattouw)
[18:36:34] <el_sjaako>	Does anything happen to variables before they get to the special pages?
[18:36:51] <werdnum>	More details, plz.
[18:37:06] <el_sjaako>	because I'm trying to use $wgExtraNamespaces in SpecailRecentChanges
[18:37:13] <el_sjaako>	and it keeps giving me an error
[18:37:46] <clamiax>	bbl
[18:38:23] <el_sjaako>	the same code with $arrtemp (a temperary array that was define just like $wgExtraNamespaces was, just in the local function instead of localsettings) works fine
[18:39:01] <el_sjaako>	maybe this is just my incomplete knowledge op PHP classes at work
[18:39:07] <el_sjaako>	but it seems strange
[18:40:28] <Jicem>	Do any of you know how to install the CheckUser extension?
[18:41:13] <Multichil>	Hi guys, quick question. What was the magic word again to link to someone's userpage?
[18:41:39] <Jicem>	[[User:<username>]]
[18:42:26] <Multichil>	:)
[18:42:51] <Multichil>	No the magic word, my case [[user:Multichill]], your case something like [[User:Jicem]]
[18:43:08] <Wuzur|rhn>	[[MediaWiki:MyPage]]
[18:43:29] <Multichil>	Wuzur|rhn : Yeah, that's the one!
[18:43:37] <Wuzur|rhn>	err Special
[18:43:50] <el_sjaako>	sorry about my question, it did turn out to be my lack of php skills
[18:44:06] <Jicem>	Well, that's not really a magic word
[18:44:13] <Jicem>	But ok
[18:44:39] <Multichil>	I know, just forgot where to find it :P
[18:44:39] <Jicem>	Anyway
[18:44:39] <Jicem>	<Jicem> Do any of you know how to install the CheckUser extension?
[18:46:35] <Multichil>	Thanks guys
[18:47:07] <Jicem>	No prob]
[18:47:38] <el_sjaako>	Jicern: don't the instructions work?
[18:48:03] <Jicem>	How do I open the command prompt?
[18:48:30] <el_sjaako>	are you hosting on your own computer?
[18:48:52] <el_sjaako>	what platform?
[18:49:04] <Jicem>	I'm using a free host, if that's what you mean
[18:50:19] <el_sjaako>	ah, many hosts (most paid ones, even) don't allow shell access (which is what you need for a terminal for a computer you don't have physical access to)
[18:50:42] <Jicem>	Oh yeah, I asked my host about that once
[18:51:03] <el_sjaako>	Although it probably isn't actually impossible, installing that plugin will be hard
[18:51:11] <Jicem>	The owner said it's disabled for security reasons
[18:51:21] <Jicem>	But isn't there an alternative?
[18:52:45] <el_sjaako>	I'm guessing that rewriting the install scrit to work like a webpage might work :P
[18:52:54] <el_sjaako>	I'm not sure though
[18:53:17] <el_sjaako>	I think your best chance is just asking the host if he can run the command for you
[18:53:49] <Jicem>	What command do I run?
[18:53:54] <Jicem>	And hwere?
[18:53:57] <Jicem>	*where
[18:55:39] <Jicem>	And by where, I mean which maintenance script
[19:03:00] <el_sjaako>	Jicern: I only know what I read on the plugin page
[19:03:35] <Jicem>	k
[19:04:59] <el_sjaako>	does anyone know what happened to namespaceisvisible()
[19:05:45] <el_sjaako>	I know it used to be in 1.11
[19:06:05] <el_sjaako>	and as far as I know, I don't need to define it as a global...
[19:49:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make Drafts optional - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17064  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[19:50:21] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Allowing HotCat gadget to add more than one category at a time - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17096 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Categories; (dragonfire1024)
[20:08:38] <CIA-6>	03yaron * r45930 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticDrilldown/specials/SD_BrowseData.php: Added HTML-decoding to colon-separator string
[20:15:19] <Mr-Fine>	hello room
[20:16:29] <Mr-Fine>	Prom_cat: you there?
[21:07:03] <yuggs>	hi
[21:08:11] <yuggs>	is there anyone?
[21:08:31] <Platonides>	anyone is there
[21:08:46] <yuggs>	thanks
[21:08:58] <yuggs>	i'm looking for help on mediawiki
[21:09:23] <Mike_lifeguard>	!ask | yuggs 
[21:09:23] --mwbot--	yuggs: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[21:12:16] <yuggs>	i've got a problem with the logo on the top left corner, sometimes it appears and sometimes not
[21:13:34] <Duesentrieb>	yuggs: let me guess: on edit pages, it's there, but on normal page views, it's not. or the other way around.
[21:13:55] <Duesentrieb>	yuggs: the solution is: use an ABSOLUTE web path to specify your logo.
[21:13:58] <Duesentrieb>	or even a full url
[21:14:03] <Duesentrieb>	a relative path will not work.
[21:14:06] <yuggs>	yes it appears when i edit or add comments on a page
[21:14:09] <Duesentrieb>	or rather, it will "sometimes" work.
[21:14:55] <Duesentrieb>	when you look at the edit page's url, you'll notice that it looks different from the normal url. most importantly, the path before tha last / is different.
[21:15:04] <Duesentrieb>	which is why relative pathes don't work.
[21:15:06] <Duesentrieb>	for anything.
[21:16:44] <yuggs>	thx i'm trying
[21:21:51] <yuggs>	i put my logo is in the directory /var/www/mediawiki, is it a wrong idea?
[21:22:28] <Reedy>	no, but you need to specify it like http://wiki.mydomain.com/images/Logo.png in LocalSettings
[21:38:07] <yuggs>	thx Rdsmith4 it works now
[21:38:37] <Rdsmith4>	eh?
[21:38:42] <Jicem>	Does anyone know which maintenance script I run for the CheckUser extension?
[21:40:54] <Reedy>	Rdsmith4, i suspect bad tab autocomplete
[21:41:01] <Rdsmith4>	oh :-)
[21:41:18] <Prodego>	Jicem: install.php I believe
[21:41:26] <Prodego>	and it isn't a maintenance script
[21:41:28] <Prodego>	it comes with CU
[21:41:37] <Jicem>	oh
[21:42:08] <Jicem>	I see
[21:47:10] <yannf>	can anyone help me fix a webstore config?
[21:47:16] <yannf>	please...
[21:47:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Get value of $wgFileExtensions through the API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17025  +comment (10brion)
[21:47:55] <Jicem>	But, like maintenance scripts, I still need shell access?
[21:49:48] <Prodego>	Jicem: yes, although if you don't there are ways around that
[21:50:53] <Jicem>	Nah, I just needed to ask my host provider to run it, but I didn't know which one
[21:51:47] <CIA-6>	03werdna * r45931 10/branches/change-tagging/phase3/ (9 files in 3 dirs): Centralise query modification for change tagging, and allow filtering on every page by tag.
[21:52:05] <CIA-6>	03brion * r45932 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialPreferences.php: 
[21:52:05] <CIA-6>	Follow-up to r45761 "* Convert prefsubmit div into a table to fix tab indexing"
[21:52:05] <CIA-6>	Checking contlang RTL so we can left-align when necessary.
[21:54:58] <metanil>	i couldn't enable "References" in a mediawiki page. even if i give <ref>...</ref> in the article... .instead it will look for Template:Reflist in ===Reference=== section. Any ideas??
[21:57:08] <Duesentrieb_>	metanil: for <ref> you need the Cite extension
[21:57:20] <Duesentrieb_>	and for {{reflist}} you need the reflist template.
[21:57:23] <Prodego>	metanil: and to end in  <references/>
[21:57:26] <Prodego>	or something like that
[21:57:28] <Prodego>	I never remember
[21:57:29] <Duesentrieb_>	otherwise you can only use plain <references/>
[21:58:00] <metanil>	I wanted to make it appear exactly like it appeared in regular wikipedia site.
[21:58:25] <Duesentrieb>	then you need to copy all the complex template cruft and install all the extensions it uses.
[21:59:33] <metanil>	Duesentrieb: :(
[21:59:44] <metanil>	any workarounds?
[21:59:51] <brion>	Fixme for API & utf normalization: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/45766#c1337
[22:00:04] <metanil>	like using plain <references/>
[22:00:25] <Duesentrieb>	youstill need the Cite extension
[22:00:46] <werdnum>	brion: Comment 1337?
[22:02:12] <brion>	awww yeah
[22:03:25] <metanil>	Duesentrieb: thanks .. got it.
[22:06:04] <CIA-6>	03tparscal * r45933 10/trunk/extensions/DataCenter/:
[22:06:49] *werdnum 	almost wrote ssh voltaire.lolcat instead of voltaire.local
[22:07:10] <werdnum>	TrevorParscal: andrew@voltaire:~/wm-svn$ du -skh .
[22:07:10] <werdnum>	672M	.
[22:08:18] <CIA-6>	03tparscal * r45934 10/trunk/extensions/DataCenter/: Initial public import.
[22:09:01] <CIA-6>	03tparscal * r45935 10/trunk/extensions/DataCenter/ (102 files in 18 dirs): Initial public import.
[22:12:01] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) DynamicPageList. php call a function not existing in mediawiki < 1.14 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17097 major; normal; MediaWiki extensions: DynamicPageList; (un1c0.za)
[22:12:15] <CIA-6>	03werdna * r45936 10/branches/change-tagging/extensions/AbuseFilter/parser_native/ (23 files in 2 dirs): Revert to r39167. This is the last version I can find which compiles correctly.
[22:12:21] <rikai>	Hm, so i've been looking around and havent seen anything so i thought i'd ask here... is there anything like the CategoryTree extention, except for the table of contents? I'm looking for something that would make you be able to collapse and/or expand the TOC.
[22:13:39] <rikai>	Sorry if this isnt the place to ask, just thought it'd be a decent place to try and get some direction, since google and the extentions pages havent been of much help.
[22:14:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Oddly named talk pages cannot be unwatched via Special:Watchlist /edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5280  (10brion)
[22:15:56] <Zartla>	when somebody logs into my wiki and goes to any page they automatically log off
[22:16:03] <Zartla>	it logs them off that is
[22:16:05] <werdnum>	M!session
[22:16:08] <werdnum>	!session
[22:16:08] --mwbot--	make sure session.save_path is set correctly in your php.ini. Verify that it exists, is readable and writable to PHP, and check that session data is actually being written there. On a server farm, make sure it's a shared directory, accessible from all servers.
[22:18:51] <CIA-6>	03tparscal * r45937 10/trunk/extensions/DataCenter/DataCenter.page.php: Added login requirement to use system.
[22:19:10] <werdnum>	Boring!
[22:19:19] <Zartla>	werdnum: how do I set it correctly 
[22:21:45] <werdnum>	Zartla: Is it your own server or somebody else's?
[22:21:59] <Zartla>	werdnum: somebody elses
[22:22:08] <werdnum>	hm
[22:22:18] <werdnum>	generally that's a session problem
[22:22:25] <werdnum>	but I'm not sure what to do if you don't have root access.
[22:24:34] <Zartla>	werdnum: http://pastebin.com/m54e23493
[22:32:30] <CIA-6>	03brion * r45938 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/Title.php): 
[22:32:30] <CIA-6>	Revert r45788 "Page moves should not be minor edits"
[22:32:30] <CIA-6>	Would prefer to see some discussion first; it's not obvious whether the change is needed/wanted.
[22:34:20] <AaronSchulz>	hmm
[22:49:42] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add Haskell syntax highlighting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17098 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (Ger.Bruynsen)
[22:52:30] <Zartla>	werdnum: what's the permission for tmp supposed to be
[22:52:47] <werdnum>	Very little restrictions, I would imagine.
[22:55:05] <Zartla>	werdnum: I have these options, no clue what they mean: http://i41.tinypic.com/2dim3r6.jpg
[22:55:25] <CIA-6>	03aaron * r45939 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Title.php: Follow up to r45780: catch Talk:interwiki:x links
[22:56:45] <Zartla>	w =  write r= read
[22:57:11] <CIA-6>	03brion * r45940 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
[22:57:11] <CIA-6>	Revert r45810 "API: (bug 17027) Allow all configuration variables in
[22:57:11] <CIA-6>	$wgAPIReadableConfigVars to be read through meta=siteinfo&siprop=configvars. I
[22:57:11] <CIA-6>	tried my best to only make useful stuff readable and skip stuff that's sensitive
[22:57:11] <CIA-6>	(like $wgDBpassword), available already (like $wgExtraNamespaces) or useless
[22:57:14] <CIA-6>	(like $wgUpdateRowsPerJob)."
[22:57:16] <CIA-6>	This is way too tightly coupled to internal implementation details. Any and all of those things could change dramatically; they're not appropriate for an external API.
[22:59:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Output LocalSettings.php Variables via API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17027  +comment (10brion)
[23:03:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Check PHP file_uploads settings in Special:Upload - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17035  (10brion)
[23:04:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Hiding log entries with RevisionDelete does not automatically hide the corresponding page history entry - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17053  (10mrzmanwiki)
[23:04:52] <rikai>	Hm, damn, apparently wikitravel has an extention or something that does exactly what i'm looking for, but they dont seem to have made it public anywhere, sadly. :(
[23:05:00] <CIA-6>	03aaron * r45941 10/trunk/phase3/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Revert r45490 per http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/45490
[23:05:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) API: Autoconfirmation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16867  +comment (10matthew.britton)
[23:06:07] <rikai>	http://wikitravel.org/en/Africa is a good example, if you look at their ToC, the nice collapsable +s.
[23:06:14] <Splarka>	rikai: should just need a bit of JS
[23:07:20] <rikai>	Splarka, unfortunately, i'm not particularly JS inclined. Just trying to find something for a wiki i submit to to use. 
[23:08:02] <Splarka>	right, just sayin, it _needs_ js in order to be dynamic, so it should be easy to just do as js on-site
[23:08:07] <CIA-6>	03tparscal * r45942 10/trunk/extensions/DataCenter/ (13 files in 5 dirs): Added change history tracking and basic viewing for facilities, assets and models.
[23:11:36] <brion>	mmm, change history tracking
[23:13:20] <AaronSchulz>	brion: svn timing out :(
[23:13:35] <werdnum>	yksinaisyyteni: the native parser seems to be totally broken after I reverted to a version that actually compiles.
[23:13:52] <Daedalus969>	splarka
[23:13:57] <brion>	AaronSchulz: try again in a few minutes
[23:13:59] <werdnum>	yksinaisyyteni: Which I guess is my fault for reverting, huh? :)
[23:14:10] <brion>	knams network has been doing something funky
[23:14:17] <brion>	ok for me...
[23:14:44] <CIA-6>	03tparscal * r45943 10/trunk/extensions/DataCenter/UI/Widgets/Map.php: Fixed invalid link from info window link.
[23:14:50] <Daedalus969>	mind if I test my problematic, un-rounding code on the test wiki on the pages you were testing the un-modified code on?
[23:16:25] <Splarka>	Daedalus969: okay, just don't fill up recent changes too much, the devs hate that ^_^
[23:16:45] <Daedalus969>	heh, only going to test it once, I want to see if there's something wrong with our wiki
[23:18:12] <Zartla>	I am still having trouble it still logs off
[23:18:46] <rikai>	Splarka, thanks for the bit of help, by the way.
[23:19:13] <werdnum>	brion: is 90ms or so per complicated filter going to be excessive?
[23:19:31] *werdnum 	thinks so, unfortunately.
[23:19:47] <brion>	well... let's say we've got 500 filters
[23:19:54] <brion>	(not at all inconceivable)
[23:20:20] <brion>	it *one* is 90ms, maybe that's livable. but certainly if 10 of them are 90ms, or 20, or 300, that's not so good ;)
[23:21:08] <brion>	werdnum: it would probably be beneficial to record profiling of filter activity -- if slow ones can be easily spotted by admins, they can pare them down themselves
[23:21:21] <brion>	of course finding a way for it not to take 90ms is nice too ;)
[23:21:40] <Daedalus969>	something is wrong with our wiki
[23:21:49] <werdnum>	brion: like writing the parser in C++, for example?
[23:21:51] <Daedalus969>	it rounds perfectly on your example, but not on ours
[23:21:53] *werdnum 	hides.
[23:22:14] <brion>	werdnum: as an alt for big sites, sure. as long as sensible things work without it :)
[23:22:24] <brion>	and it's got a very good test suite to ensure they are in sync :D
[23:22:24] <werdnum>	> $st = microtime(true); $val = AbuseFilter::evaluateExpression( '1 + 1 = 2 & 2 + 2 = 4 | 1 = 2 | 2 = 4 & ccnorm("Foo") = "F00" & "pie"' ); $fi = microtime(true); print $fi-$st;
[23:22:27] <werdnum>	0.0879440307617
[23:22:37] <werdnum>	ugh, they're still not quite in-sync.
[23:22:46] *werdnum 	cries at all the random features.
[23:23:19] <brion>	werdnum: is the ccnorm() call the slow bit? or is the whole parse/evaluate slow?
[23:23:24] <werdnum>	Main problem I think is that River went and reimplemented it in C++, and added all these new features and all that, which is great, but I don't think she's interested in maintaining it past the initial interest.
[23:23:29] <brion>	i can see normalization being slow to initialize if you're loading the unicode tables
[23:23:46] <brion>	there is that danger :)
[23:23:49] <werdnum>	> $st = microtime(true); $val = AbuseFilter::evaluateExpression( '1 + 1 = 2 & 2 + 2 = 4 | 1 = 2 | 2 = 4 & "pie"' ); $fi = microtime(true); print $fi-$st;
[23:23:52] <werdnum>	0.0252530574799
[23:23:59] <werdnum>	Seems to be about 2/3 of the run time of that filter.
[23:24:04] <brion>	*nod*
[23:24:17] <brion>	20ms still feels pretty slow there
[23:24:22] <werdnum>	> $st = microtime(true); $val = AbuseFilter::evaluateExpression( '1 + 1 = 2 & 2 + 2 = 4 | 1 = 2 | 2 = 4 & ccnorm("Foo") = "F00" & "pie" & ccnorm("Pie")' ); $fi = microtime(true); print $fi-$st;
[23:24:26] <werdnum>	0.0363810062408
[23:24:29] <werdnum>	That's weird.
[23:24:31] <werdnum>	It takes 36ms if I do TWO ccnorms.
[23:24:41] <Prodego|away>	werdnum: what if you do 37?
[23:25:10] <werdnum>	> $st = microtime(true); $val = AbuseFilter::evaluateExpression( '1 + 1 = 2 & 2 + 2 = 4 | 1 = 2 | 2 = 4 & ccnorm("Foo") = "F00" & "pie" & ccnorm("Pie") & ccnorm("Foo")' ); $fi = microtime(true); print $fi-$st;
[23:25:14] <werdnum>	0.00533604621887
[23:25:19] <werdnum>	consecutive ccnorm()s add only like 10ms.
[23:25:58] <werdnum>	And this is even more interesting
[23:25:59] <werdnum>	> $st = microtime(true); for($i=0;$i<1000;++$i) {$val = AbuseFilter::evaluateExpression( '1 + 1 = 2 & 2 + 2 = 4 | 1 = 2 | 2 = 4 & ccnorm("Foo") = "F00" & "pie" & ccnorm("Pie") & ccnorm("Foo")' ); } $fi = microtime(true); print $fi-$st;
[23:26:03] <werdnum>	4.97432613373
[23:26:16] <Prodego|away>	yea that one is going to be problematic I think
[23:26:18] <werdnum>	It cuts down to 5ms average per rule if you do multiple rules.
[23:26:40] <brion>	you've clearly got some initialization going on that slows you the first time
[23:26:54] <brion>	hm
[23:27:01] <brion>	also microtime() may have shitty resolution :)
[23:27:02] <werdnum>	brion: actually, ccnorm() results are cached.
[23:27:18] <brion>	well that's handy :D
[23:27:28] <werdnum>	making it variant still gives an average of 10ms per evaluation.
[23:27:28] <werdnum>	> $st = microtime(true); for($i=0;$i<1000;++$i) {$val = AbuseFilter::evaluateExpression( '1 + 1 = 2 & 2 + 2 = 4 | 1 = 2 | 2 = 4 & ccnorm("Foo") = "F00" & "pie" & ccnorm("Pie") & ccnorm("Fo'.$i.'o")' ); } $fi = microtime(true); print $fi-$st;
[23:27:32] <werdnum>	9.30906677246
[23:28:11] <werdnum>	Evaluating a trivial filter: > $st = microtime(true); $val = AbuseFilter::evaluateExpression( '1' ); $fi = microtime(true); print $fi-$st;
[23:28:15] <werdnum>	0.0238978862762
[23:28:43] <brion>	it'd probably be good to draw up a sample filter list which is fairly realistic and test with that
[23:29:02] <werdnum>	And evaluating a trivial filter 1000 times: > $st = microtime(true); for( $i=0;$i<1000;++$i ) { $val = AbuseFilter::evaluateExpression( '1' ); } $fi = microtime(true); print $fi-$st;
[23:29:07] <werdnum>	0.352891921997
[23:29:08] <werdnum>	Test for performance?
[23:29:21] <brion>	maybe based on actual rules used in some of the anti-vandalism tools folks use
[23:29:26] <Platonides>	werdnum, where's that native parser?
[23:29:37] <werdnum>	Platonides: under AbuseFilter/parser_native on svn.
[23:29:44] <werdnum>	brion: and then I can do some decent benchmarks?
[23:29:52] <brion>	:D
[23:30:01] <brion>	yups
[23:30:23] <Prodego|away>	werdnum: you want actual anti vandalism regexes?
[23:30:29] <Prodego|away>	I happen to have a lot
[23:30:31] <brion>	it's tough to get useful benchmarks without a data set that's representative of what you'll really going to be doing
[23:30:38] <brion>	whee
[23:30:58] <Platonides>	these are the regex used by our vandalbot at eswiki: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuario:Emijrp/Lista_del_bien_y_del_mal.css
[23:31:12] <Prodego|away>	oh that is way better
[23:31:31] <Prodego|away>	Platonides: seems like that could get a lot of false positives
[23:31:37] <werdnum>	brion: actually, previously I had a sample of 250k pagemoves pulled from the toolserver DB
[23:31:45] <werdnum>	brion: I think the scripts and the data still exist on svn.
[23:31:46] <brion>	nice :D
[23:31:58] <werdnum>	I was using them to analyse performance and effectiveness.
[23:32:17] <werdnum>	(Best filter got 60% of pagemove vandalism with 0.4% false positives)
[23:32:36] <brion>	nice
[23:32:40] <Zartla>	can somebody please help me with this login thing?
[23:33:30] <werdnum>	ah, none of it is on svn, but it should be somewhere.
[23:35:11] <Platonides>	Prodego|away, not really
[23:35:16] <Platonides>	they aren't too much afaik
[23:37:05] <uberfuzzy>	does confirming your email promote an account to autoconfirmed status any faster?
[23:37:21] <Prodego|away>	no, it doesn't
[23:37:44] <CIA-6>	03mrzman * r45944 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Make API action=delete respect $wgDeleteRevisionsLimit
[23:38:59] <uberfuzzy>	ok, next question, if i found something in the api that doesnt behave as the documentation says it should, should i file a bug, or fix the docs?
[23:39:15] <Simetrical>	uberfuzzy, not on Wikimedia projects.  It can be configured that way.
[23:39:50] <Daedalus969>	does anyone know of a reason that within a tooltip, a number such as 1.34 would not round, if it was within {{#expr: (aforementioned number) round 0 }}
[23:39:51] <Daedalus969>	?
[23:41:14] <brion>	Daedalus969: what do you mean, within a tooltip?
[23:41:24] <Splarka>	rikai: ping
[23:41:38] <rikai>	Splarka, whats up? :)
[23:42:01] <Splarka>	rikai: http://p.defau.lt/?2_ib1NLEkbSBS3TYjmlUYQ
[23:42:28] <Splarka>	should work in 1.13 or newer, quick and dirty
[23:43:38] <rikai>	Ahh thanks.
[23:44:01] <rikai>	Was just poking around the wikitravel css and javascript, seeing what i could find.
[23:44:20] <rikai>	pretty sure i found the equivalent stuff, but if this works, all the better, i suppose
[23:44:27] <Splarka>	right, whichever
[23:44:42] <Splarka>	I used images instead of text to use consistent indenting, there
[23:45:29] *rikai 	nods
[23:46:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New:=?UTF-8?Q?=20Red=2Dlink=20=E2=80=9Cdiscussi?= =?UTF-8?Q?on=E2=80=9D=20tab=20indicated=20b?==?UTF-8?Q?y=20colour=20only?= - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17099  (10N/A)
[23:46:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Markup accessibility issues (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=367  (10michael)
[23:48:23] <Zartla>	hello, can somebody help me please
[23:49:28] *werdnum 	thinks this should be in DefaultSettings.php: if ($wgCommandLineMode) { $wgDebugLogFile = '/dev/stdout';
[23:51:00] <aiml>	Is there a way to make a parserTest show the HTML output and the category links, rather than one or the other?
[23:52:23] <Zartla>	in the php.ini the session.save_path = "tmp" there was no folder called tmp so I created one and gave access for reading writing and executing yet the users still get logged off when they change pages
[23:54:20] <werdnum>	Zartla: it should be /tmp
[23:54:25] <brion-away>	back in a while to finish review...
[23:54:34] <Zartla>	werdnum: it is, sorry 
[23:58:22] <CIA-6>	03demon * r45945 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiDelete.php: Code style tweak.
[23:59:20] <Zartla>	here is the whole code: http://pastebin.com/m264d55e7 and my files http://i39.tinypic.com/ta3qj7.jpg
[23:59:36] <Zartla>	werdnum: please tell me if you see anything wrong