[00:00:00] <brion>	oooh true
[00:00:12] <I-MOD>	one is the preprocessing hook, the other is to make a public accessor for mHeadings in the parser 
[00:00:35] <brion>	freephile: that's.... odd :)
[00:00:40] <brion>	mw, php versions?
[00:00:45] <I-MOD>	not sure which would be more useful to the community
[00:01:05] <Splarka>	mitixi: create a user subpage like User:yourname/hotcat.js and paste in the js (gadget) there, changing references to dependencies (images, css, other scripts) appropriately
[00:01:16] <Splarka>	mitixi: what is your username and default skin?
[00:02:06] <mitixi>	splarka: currently editing as sysop
[00:02:13] <Splarka>	User:Sysop?
[00:02:14] <freephile>	brion: MediaWiki 1.15alpha (r45986)  PHP 5.1.6 (apache2handler)	MySQL 5.0.45
[00:02:24] <Dr_DBW>	Just wondering if there is a way to do this.  Want to generate a list of images, in the manner categories collect things together.  But, when you click on the image, it takes you to a page, not the image page.  See that will be something in 1.14 that will do it, but would prefer to use categories.  Best for long term maintenance.
[00:02:29] <werdnum>	brion: You should try some of the cake in the kitchen
[00:02:31] <werdnum>	it is delicious.
[00:02:33] <mitixi>	splarka: or admin
[00:02:55] <Dr_DBW>	Any suggestions?
[00:03:08] <Splarka>	mitixi: nevermind... what is your skin? monobook?
[00:03:19] <mitixi>	splarka:yes
[00:03:44] <freephile>	brion: using CentOS release 5.2
[00:04:21] <I-MOD>	actually, i think the hooks would be more useful to the community, since the public accessor for mHeadings has fairly restricted uses
[00:05:02] <freephile>	i've been all over the configs, and can't see anything wrong.  It looks like the callback is empty
[00:06:01] <brion>	freephile: this might be the buggy libxml2 thing that's been biting people in the ass
[00:07:04] <brion>	http://www.directadmin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28290 or similar may or may not help
[00:07:25] <freephile>	brion: I'm only vaguely familiar with a buggy libxml2 ;-)  
[00:07:32] <freephile>	brion: thx for the suggest
[00:09:25] <TimStarling>	I'm thinking that maybe 1.14 should have SQLite disabled
[00:09:44] <TimStarling>	considering the nature of the SQLite support in trunk, the controversy on CodeReview etc.
[00:09:56] <TimStarling>	just disabled in the installer, like oracle
[00:10:40] <brion>	TimStarling: i'd say it's pretty experimental at this point yeah
[00:10:44] *I-MOD 	sifts through the list of hooks again
[00:11:08] <TimStarling>	I'll put a note in the release announcement saying that SQLite users can try the experimental support in 1.15a
[00:11:27] <CIA-7>	03simetrical * r45988 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
[00:11:27] <CIA-7>	Use HTML5 rel attributes for some links
[00:11:27] <CIA-7>	http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/#linkTypes
[00:11:27] <CIA-7>	Probably doesn't do much, but looks cool. :)
[00:11:38] <freephile>	brion: my libxml2 is the older (nonbuggy) version  rpm -q libxml2
[00:11:38] <freephile>	libxml2-2.6.26-2.1.2.7
[00:11:48] <brion>	hmmm
[00:12:00] <brion>	what's the exact error message (including file and line info)
[00:13:04] <freephile>	btw, I just finished a presentation on MediaWiki at BostonPHP, see freephile.com/wiki/index.php/MediaWiki/presentation (audio and video coming in next couple days)
[00:14:04] <freephile>	PHP Warning:  xml_parse() : Unable to call handler () in /iic/web/phase3/includes/XmlTypeCheck.php on line 53, referer: http://iic-dev.seas.harvard.edu/wiki/index.php/Special:Upload
[00:15:19] <CIA-7>	03brion * r45989 10/trunk/phase3/includes/MimeMagic.php: 
[00:15:19] <CIA-7>	Fix ordering of OpenDocument type detection so template files can actually be uploaded.
[00:15:19] <CIA-7>	Previously, the shorter types like 'text' matched before the longer ones like 'text-template', causing an .ott file to be misdetected as an .odt... and thus rejected for being the wrong type.
[00:15:53] <brion>	freephile: cool, i'll take a look!
[00:16:07] <brion>	ok it sounds like something might be getting confused when the element handler is disabled...
[00:16:33] <brion>	" If a handler function is set to an empty string, or FALSE, the handler in question is disabled. "
[00:16:39] <brion>	hmmmmm, well that should be working fine then
[00:17:40] <brion>	freephile: just for kicks -- try removing the "private" modifiers on the functions in XmlTypeCheck.php, see if that makes a difference. shouldn't though
[00:18:01] <freephile>	I get that error multiple times on a single request; other uploads work fine
[00:19:54] <werdnum>	brion: Can we put the Abuse Filter live on test at some point? :) I've got a test wiki with it already, but putting it live on testwiki seems to be the next step to getting it live properly ...
[00:20:50] <werdnum>	hey krimpet 
[00:20:55] <werdnum>	how's the weather?
[00:22:18] <freephile>	brion: same error msg after removing all 'private' modifiers
[00:23:22] <freephile>	The uploader seems to think it uploads the file, but it's not -- no thumbnail
[00:24:54] <freephile>	brion: Oddly, php importImages.php worked fine to import a whole icon set from the command line
[00:25:01] <vegtabill>	is there a way to create a new article from content created in a special page? (without copy/paste, that is)
[00:29:03] <freephile>	brion: the file itself does seem to be uploaded, but i'm not sure what is broken/corrupted http://rafb.net/p/2I0WRU55.html
[00:29:13] <Dr_DBW>	vegtabill, yes there is.  If no one else replies, I will have a look to see in a few seconds and let youknow now.
[00:29:41] <werdnum>	vegtabill: You can transclude special pages.
[00:30:04] <Dr_DBW>	Oh yea, you jsut use it like a template
[00:30:05] <brion>	werdnum: after it's had a once-over sure
[00:30:05] <Dr_DBW>	{{Special:Allpages}}
[00:30:10] <Dr_DBW>	For example.
[00:30:38] <werdnum>	brion: yay
[00:31:05] <werdnum>	Anything in particular that needs work at the moment, or should I just try to bug-hunt?
[00:31:52] <vegtabill>	Dr_DBW: ok, i will look at that, thank you... 
[00:31:57] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Close disc-page for new threads - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17114 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (dasch_87)
[00:32:00] <brion>	mm, a little general bug-hunt is prolly good for the moment :D
[00:32:08] <brion>	i'm trying to catch up on my list of todos fo rthe day ;)
[00:32:20] <werdnum>	yeah, that pesky "other stuff"
[00:34:00] <freephile>	brion: wow!! it was an entire icon set on my system that appears to be corrupt.
[00:36:19] <freephile>	the whole bunch in  /usr/share/icons/sugar/scalable/ don't open in Inkscape although they appear to be svg source
[00:37:08] <freephile>	brion: sorry for the false alarm and thnx for the help!
[00:37:19] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Use more vore functions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17115 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (dasch_87)
[00:37:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Use more core functions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17115  summary (10dasch_87)
[00:38:05] <I-MOD>	does anyone know if proper TOC numbering behavior is described anywhere?
[00:41:16] <Simetrical>	I-MOD, what does "proper" mean?
[00:41:20] <Splarka>	vore, haha
[00:41:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Inconsistent timestamps when using LiquidThreads - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15278  (10dasch_87)
[00:42:05] <vegtabill>	Dr_DBW: i am not sure that transclusion will solve my problem. did you have something else in mind?
[00:42:17] <I-MOD>	Simetrical, i'm looking at what i think is a bug
[00:42:28] <brion>	freephile: heh, wow :)
[00:42:36] <brion>	it still shouldn't throw that error though ;)
[00:42:38] <I-MOD>	actually, i'm sure it's a bug, i'm just trying to figure out what SHOULD be generated
[00:42:58] <Simetrical>	I-MOD, more details would help.
[00:43:08] <Dr_DBW>	vegtabill: What is your problem?
[00:43:11] <Simetrical>	The TOC-generating code is baroque and incredibly confusing, IIRC.
[00:43:31] <MrZ-man>	Splarka: I don't think I want LiquidThreads if it includes any vore functions...
[00:43:45] <TimStarling>	"I-MOD needs to submit a feature request for a template preprocessing hook"
[00:43:51] <Splarka>	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=vore
[00:43:59] <Splarka>	MrZ-man: you're a vore function
[00:44:00] <vegtabill>	Dr_DBW: my special page generates new content in several steps... i want the new content to go into a new article
[00:44:01] <TimStarling>	is this still for the heading number feature that I thought could be done without patches?
[00:44:24] <MrZ-man>	:O
[00:45:25] <TrevorParscal>	Marybelle: your edits to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DataCenter seem a little odd
[00:45:35] <TrevorParscal>	want to explain yourself a bit before I roll them back?
[00:45:45] <Marybelle>	TrevorParscal: Eh?
[00:46:03] <Marybelle>	It was mostly maintenance.
[00:46:07] <werdnum>	TrevorParscal: the infobox is pretty ordinary
[00:46:09] <Marybelle>	And trying to make a proper description page.
[00:46:17] <werdnum>	but ""INSERT ChangeTags::addTags INTO `change_tag` (0,1,2,3) VALUES ('ct_tag','ct_rc_id','ct_rev_id','ct_log_id')"
[00:46:20] <werdnum>	oops
[00:46:23] <werdnum>	'''DataCenter''' is an extension for "DataCenter Planing and Asset Tracking System." (Whatever that means.)  
[00:46:27] <werdnum>	that seems a bit... snide?
[00:46:44] <TrevorParscal>	indeed
[00:46:46] <brion>	http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Extension:DataCenter&diff=234173&oldid=233988 :)
[00:46:56] <TrevorParscal>	the InfoBox is a good thing, thank you for that contribution
[00:47:00] <Marybelle>	brion: :D
[00:47:15] <tomaszf>	ahh Brion. always the peace keeper
[00:47:17] <Marybelle>	TrevorParscal: Didn't intend to convey as snide. More of a FIXME. :-)
[00:47:26] <Subfader>	I'm just changing my wiki to display small images as Base64 code. e.g. list-style-image: url(data:image/gif;base64,BLA); I wonder if wikipdeia does so too?
[00:47:55] <brion>	Subfader: we don't, though the idea is occasionally raised :)
[00:48:00] <brion>	iirc IE only supports this from 7 on
[00:48:03] <brion>	and has some limitations even then
[00:48:05] <werdnum>	small images as base64 code?
[00:48:09] <werdnum>	that sounds.. awful :D
[00:48:11] <TrevorParscal>	well, perhaps the discussion page is a better place to voice concerns about changing the language if you don't have a better solution
[00:48:26] <brion>	werdnum: if they're small enough, the base64 expansion is still a win versus the extra HTTP fetch
[00:48:43] <Subfader>	imo it's avery simple way to reduce html accesses to my server. you may can tell me disadvantages though?
[00:48:47] <TimStarling>	I-MOD: maybe you should explain what it is you want to do with heading numbers
[00:48:57] <TimStarling>	maybe there's an easier way to do it
[00:49:01] <Marybelle>	TrevorParscal: I honestly couldn't figure out what it was for. So I copied and pasted some of the code comments.
[00:49:01] <brion>	Subfader: primarily compatibility :)
[00:49:24] <Subfader>	just thought it's better if every image is touchable in MW releases
[00:49:33] <Subfader>	for new users
[00:49:58] <Subfader>	so generally it's a good thing if I do so? cool :D
[00:51:00] <Subfader>	compatibility to? other browsers / OS?
[00:55:04] <TimStarling>	who needs 100 other users?
[00:55:38] <TimStarling>	I guess it couldn't last forever
[00:55:39] <Simetrical>	Dr_DBW, it doesn't work for all because special pages aren't real pages.  They can output arbitrary unreasonable content based on all sorts of strange things.
[00:55:40] <Simetrical>	It's not guaranteed to play well with the content of normal wiki pages.
[00:55:58] <Dr_DBW>	Ahh, OK.  I have only used on a limited number of special pages.  Thanks.
[00:56:05] <Subfader>	as long as W3C validates my wiki using Base64 i don't need to care much about compability?
[00:56:51] <Simetrical>	Subfader, you do if you want it to work in IE6 . . .
[00:56:57] <Simetrical>	That the W3C validates it doesn't mean it will work.
[00:57:05] <Subfader>	When i purge a page on my wiki the bullet.gif of lists is always the one loading extremely long. no prob with Base64 :)
[00:57:14] <Simetrical>	Have you tried in IE6?
[00:57:19] <Simetrical>	Do you not care about IE6?
[00:57:25] <Subfader>	NO WA :D
[00:57:29] <Simetrical>	It still has what, 20% market share in the general web?
[00:57:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Newpages/Special: Recentchanges should be localized on the "mark changes as patrolled" confirmation - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17103  (10marcin.cieslak)
[00:57:37] <Simetrical>	I'd test it with IE7 too.
[00:57:45] <Simetrical>	Not sure how good its data: support is.
[00:57:56] <Dr_DBW>	My Q is, I would like an image / media displayed within a category (not a page, which is coming I know) to link to a page, rather than the media page.  That possible currently?
[00:57:57] <Subfader>	<!--[if IE]>Internet Explorer sucks big time.
[00:57:59] <Subfader>	:D
[00:58:34] <Subfader>	ok testing with IE7.
[00:58:34] <Simetrical>	You could use IE conditional tags to serve a different CSS background for it, true.
[00:58:37] <Simetrical>	Or use CSS hacks.
[00:59:19] <Subfader>	ah yeah mainly i just changed main.css but also in some extension. will use <!--[if IE]> there
[00:59:47] <Subfader>	won't touch IE fix css sheets though
[01:00:06] <Splarka>	if you've touched main.css you should have no qualms about iefixes
[01:00:13] <Subfader>	yep
[01:00:40] <Marybelle>	Damn netsplits.
[01:00:46] <Subfader>	but will fix the Base64 in extensions
[01:01:38] <Jicem>	Everytime I delete or restore something, I get a database error
[01:01:51] <Subfader>	hmh so W3C doesn't care about IE compatibility either = IE doesn't care about W3C. I get it. ;)
[01:02:11] <Jicem>	A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:
[01:02:13] <Jicem>	    (SQL query hidden)
[01:02:14] <Jicem>	from within function "RecentChange::save". MySQL returned error "1048: Column 'rc_old_len' cannot be null (localhost)".
[01:02:30] <vegtabill>	Dr_DBW: i lost my network briefly. i apologize if i missed a reply.
[01:02:41] <Jicem>	And it doesn't appear in recent changes
[01:03:00] <brion>	TimStarling: heh
[01:03:03] <Jicem>	Though, when I edit or make a page normally, it acts normally
[01:03:12] <Simetrical>	Subfader, the W3C proposes standards that browsers implement.  The validator says that the document complies with the standard, not that everyone's implemented it.
[01:03:29] <Prodego>	Jicem: did you update the wiki
[01:03:31] <Simetrical>	Actually, the W3C HTML validator doesn't even know about data: URIs.
[01:03:34] <Jicem>	Oh, and the same thing's happening when I protect a page
[01:03:35] <Prodego>	recently
[01:03:47] <Jicem>	Prodego, yes
[01:03:55] <Jicem>	I just did those things
[01:03:56] <Prodego>	Jicem: did you run the update script
[01:03:57] <Dr_DBW>	vegtabill: NP.  Why doesn't it work exactly?
[01:04:05] <werdnum>	00:54 < TimStarling> Aaron, Werdna, Brion, this is what #mediawiki should be like all the time
[01:04:08] <werdnum>	hehe
[01:04:11] <Jicem>	What update script?
[01:04:12] <Subfader>	ok Base64 in IE is fucked up. Fuck IE
[01:04:14] <Simetrical>	werdnum, did you see my data: URI link?
[01:04:21] <Subfader>	good I posted here :)
[01:04:22] <werdnum>	Simetrical: no?
[01:04:36] <Simetrical>	werdnum, http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1037700423&count=1 <-- click: "little carried away"
[01:04:51] <Simetrical>	I would post the link directly, but it's a little long.
[01:05:14] <vegtabill>	Dr_DBW: well, i am not sure, and i am not very experienced w/ MW. i can get all the way to the processed text, but createing the new article with it is giving me a hard time.
[01:05:29] <Simetrical>	werdnum, or use this: http://tinyurl.com/aq22d3
[01:05:42] *Simetrical 	wonders if tinyurl will redirect to javascript: URLs, or if that even works
[01:06:01] <Jicem>	Prodego?
[01:06:01] *werdnum 	lols
[01:06:13] <Prodego>	Jicem: update.php
[01:06:18] <Simetrical>	You could collapse entire sets of documents into data: URIs.
[01:06:24] <Simetrical>	A single one, that is.
[01:06:26] <Prodego>	Jicem: it is in the maintenance directory
[01:06:28] <Simetrical>	With images and everything.
[01:06:29] <werdnum>	Or alternatively, you could not :P
[01:06:30] <Prodego>	!update
[01:06:30] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading
[01:06:34] <Prodego>	see that
[01:06:35] <Jicem>	Oh, I can't run those
[01:06:39] <Simetrical>	werdnum, spoilsport.  :(
[01:06:53] <CIA-7>	03tparscal * r45990 10/trunk/extensions/DataCenter/ (19 files in 7 dirs): Modified form and details widgets as well as all form processing code to facilitate modifying a row as well as meta and change information for that row if it's a component.
[01:06:53] <vegtabill>	Dr_DBW: i thought doing something like CreateArticle would do it, but i can't seem to get the content over to the new edit page. make sense?
[01:07:03] <Jicem>	Also, I'm already on MediaWiki 1.13.3
[01:07:34] <Jicem>	I think it's because I edited a recentchanges table as a test
[01:07:44] <Jicem>	On phpMyAdmin
[01:07:53] <Jicem>	But I changed it back
[01:08:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) IRC recent changes feed does not list patrol log entries - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16604  (10marcin.cieslak)
[01:09:55] <CIA-7>	03dale * r45991 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/mv_embed/ (6 files in 4 dirs): 
[01:09:55] <CIA-7>	* fixes for input focus in video editor (that way when editing fields don't you don't delete selected clips ;)
[01:09:55] <CIA-7>	* fixes for seek bar (slider is not reset while seeking)
[01:10:50] <JonnyK>	im starting to confuse myself
[01:11:36] <WaRpAtH>	welcome to mediawiki :DD
[01:11:51] <JonnyK>	how do I forward www.domain.com/ to /wiki?
[01:12:04] <Jicem>	Use Short Url
[01:12:17] <JonnyK>	i thought I was eeek
[01:12:27] <JonnyK>	htaccess?
[01:13:06] <Prodego>	JonnyK: Jicem is wrong
[01:13:13] <JonnyK>	hi prodego :)
[01:13:23] <Prodego>	it is a web server question, not a MW question
[01:13:51] <JonnyK>	oh. i think i figured it out in a MW tutorial last time
[01:14:07] <JonnyK>	sorry
[01:21:54] <JonnyK>	prodego
[01:22:02] <JonnyK>	i found the howto, and it says to come here if i have problems
[01:22:04] <JonnyK>	:)
[01:22:07] <Prodego>	JonnyK:  ok goodie
[01:22:14] <JonnyK>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL#Recommended_configuration_.28Used_on_Wikipedia.29
[01:22:16] <Prodego>	htaccess,r gith
[01:22:47] <JonnyK>	what's weird is i simply copied the public_html from the other site and moved it over
[01:22:53] <JonnyK>	im not sure why it would be different
[01:23:03] <JonnyK>	what would i have to do to make the move work?
[01:23:12] <JonnyK>	its accessing the databases fine
[01:23:21] <Prodego>	well it is probably the htaccess
[01:23:45] <Prodego>	the public_html table?
[01:23:52] <JonnyK>	folder
[01:24:02] <JonnyK>	the database is still localhost, so I dont need to move it
[01:37:26] <CIA-7>	03werdna * r45992 10/branches/change-tagging/extensions/AbuseFilter/ (3 files): Remove remnants of native Abuse Filter Parser implementation.
[01:47:05] <CIA-7>	03werdna * r45993 10/branches/change-tagging/phase3/extensions/ (51 files in 2 dirs): Kill some weirdness...
[01:48:01] <CIA-7>	03werdna * r45994 10/branches/change-tagging/phase3/extensions/README: Fix up this directory.
[01:50:19] <capt-rogers>	Is there an automated mediawiki migration tool? Or do I backup the mysql database and restore it to the new mediawiki install?
[01:52:48] <MrZ-man>	!upgrade | capt-rogers
[01:52:48] --mwbot--	capt-rogers: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading
[01:53:25] <MrZ-man>	actually
[01:53:27] <MrZ-man>	!move
[01:53:27] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Moving_a_wiki
[01:53:38] <MrZ-man>	might be more what you're looking for
[01:59:01] <capt-rogers>	roger dodger
[02:01:31] <CIA-7>	03werdna * r45995 10/branches/change-tagging/phase3/includes/ChangeTags.php: Make sure we don't talk about nonexistent tags.
[02:01:51] <CIA-7>	03werdna * r45996 10/branches/change-tagging/extensions/AbuseFilter/ (4 files): Re-implement condition counter, and fix a parse error.
[02:02:57] <CIA-7>	03werdna * r45997 10/branches/change-tagging/extensions/AbuseFilter/AbuseFilter.php: Up condition limit from zero...
[02:09:24] <jlerner>	should i be able to view greek article names in phpmyadmin? (mirror of elwiki - looking at page.page_title)
[02:09:42] <Simetrical>	Depends on phpMyAdmin.
[02:09:43] <jlerner>	the articles that use the greek alphabet appear scrambled
[02:09:52] <Simetrical>	It's probably not interpreting the encoding as UTF-8.
[02:09:55] <jlerner>	but they're fine in mysql on the command-line...
[02:09:57] <jlerner>	yeah
[02:09:59] <jlerner>	hmm
[02:10:01] <Simetrical>	Try forcing it to somehow.
[02:10:08] *Simetrical 	doesn't use phpMyAdmin, doesn't know how it works
[02:10:12] <werdnum>	hmm, 6:10
[02:10:14] <werdnum>	time to head home.
[02:10:32] <CIA-7>	03werdna * r45998 10/branches/change-tagging/extensions/AbuseFilter/AbuseFilter.hooks.php: Note that out-params can be HTML, so we CAN do CAPTCHAs and stuff (I never originally checked this).
[02:11:08] <CIA-7>	03dale * r45999 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/ (mv_common.js mv_embed/mv_embed.js mv_search.js mv_stream.js): fixed date loading text value bug
[02:14:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) More admin options for Special:CentralNotice - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17109  summary (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[02:25:00] *chuck 	should try CentralNotice
[02:25:11] <chuck>	!e CentralNotice
[02:25:11] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CentralNotice
[02:27:39] <chuck>	why are different directories needed for different js generations?
[02:28:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Ajax search auto-completion ignores some page titles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17113  (10bugzilla.wikimedia)
[02:30:22] <Marybelle>	Huh?
[03:01:38] <jbalint>	how can i escape [] in a url like [http://a.com/?a=[0] Something]
[03:03:04] <carl-m>	jbalint:  http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Parser_functions#URLENCODE
[03:04:10] <jbalint>	can i use that within a link?
[03:04:37] <jbalint>	ah, just need to place it right. thanks carl-m!
[03:04:50] <Splarka>	[http://www.google.com/search?q=%5B0%5D ]
[03:05:25] <jbalint>	i put q={{urlencode:[0]}}
[03:06:00] <Splarka>	works too
[03:06:02] <Splarka>	[http://www.google.com/search?q=%5B0%5D &#91;0&#93;]
[03:06:15] <meoblast001>	hi
[03:06:16] <Splarka>	html entities or <nowiki> for the text, and percent encoding for the URI
[03:06:28] <jbalint>	ok
[03:06:41] <Marybelle>	Doesn't [http://foo.com [0]] work?
[03:06:53] <meoblast001>	WOOT I JUST MESSAGED EVERY CHANNEL
[03:07:10] <ekimmargni>	I'm /so/ impressed.
[03:07:41] <Marybelle>	Hmm. Silly parser.
[03:07:53] <meoblast001>	sorry... i did not expect that
[03:15:01] <chuck>	does anything special need to be done to get site names with funny characters?
[03:15:05] <chuck>	like japanese, arabic, etc
[03:18:43] <Splarka>	possibly just edit your LocalSettings with an appropriate client, or escaping the characters in whatever schema php uses
[03:21:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) IRC recent changes feed does not list patrol log entries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16604  (10matthew.britton)
[03:21:29] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) userCan should not override wgGroupPermissions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17116 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Page protection; (eisenstein)
[03:25:37] <CIA-7>	03dale * r46000 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/mv_embed/ (mv_embed.js skins/mvpcf/styles.css): 
[03:25:37] <CIA-7>	fix for dragging seek bar in Safari:
[03:25:37] <CIA-7>	apparently Safari does not give proper parent container attribute data to jQuery
[03:25:37] <CIA-7>	draggable without the "float" property applied to the draggable node. This is
[03:25:37] <CIA-7>	odd because the draggable element is relatively positioned and it works in
[03:25:41] <CIA-7>	Firefox and Internet Explorer.
[03:27:38] <JonnyK>	has anybody ever tried to move a wiki to a new domain?
[03:27:49] <werdnum>	it's easily done
[03:28:01] <werdnum>	I don't think you even need to do anything in MediaWiki itself
[03:28:04] <werdnum>	just change the DNS records.
[03:28:22] <JonnyK>	i'm more worried about how google likes it
[03:28:35] <JonnyK>	well id like to avoid a blanket 301
[03:28:45] <JonnyK>	i think im supposed to move pages individually or something, for google
[03:29:53] <Splarka>	chuck: have you tried \x or \u encoding it in LocalSettings.php ?
[03:30:06] <werdnum>	You don't have to discontinue the old domain, do you?
[03:30:47] <chuck>	Splarka: it's in a mysql table
[03:31:03] <qsheets>	JonnyK: google does its searching by way of webcrawling... whatever you do will have no effect
[03:32:04] <werdnum>	JonnyK: Don't stress out about Google.
[03:35:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) userCan should not override wgGroupPermissions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17116  +comment (10Andrew)
[03:35:05] <Tyrian>	I was wondering if I might get some help with the Modern skin?
[03:35:12] <Splarka>	chuck: but is that where it is being corrupted? 
[03:35:28] <chuck>	looking at it in phpMyAdmin, it looks fine
[03:39:19] <JonnyK>	werdnum: google hates duplicate content
[03:39:24] <JonnyK>	leaving both up is google suicide
[03:39:45] <werdnum>	tomaszf: you're not still at work...
[03:40:04] <tomaszf>	werdnum: your still on irc ..
[03:40:13] <werdnum>	tomaszf: I'm at home :)
[03:40:22] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Expanding categories misfunctioning - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17117 trivial; normal; MediaWiki: Categories; (unknown.interval)
[03:40:51] <JonnyK>	I think I figured it out with htaccess
[03:41:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) userCan should not override wgGroupPermissions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17116  (10eisenstein)
[03:45:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) userCan should not override wgGroupPermissions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17116  (10Andrew)
[03:45:40] <qsheets>	JonnyK: knowing how Google works... it doesn't care if content is doubled, tripled, etc.
[03:46:04] <werdnum>	tomaszf: How's the job queue? :)
[03:46:07] *werdnum 	does not envy tomaszf 
[03:46:51] <Tyrian>	Can anyone help me get a logo image to display using the Modern skin?
[03:47:13] <werdnum>	edit Modern.php, I guess.
[03:47:31] <Tyrian>	That's what I did, but the image never shows up...
[03:48:38] <qsheets>	Tyrian: did you set $wgLogo?
[03:49:21] <Tyrian>	Yes I set it as well.
[03:49:42] <qsheets>	check the associated css file
[03:49:51] <Tyrian>	k
[03:50:42] <qsheets>	nvm
[03:51:55] <qsheets>	Tyrian: just don't use the same script the MonoBook skin uses
[03:52:27] <Tyrian>	oh? you mean as far as the script for the logo?
[03:52:35] <qsheets>	yup
[03:53:00] <Tyrian>	k. so I wont use a p-logo script?
[03:53:34] <qsheets>	try this...
[03:55:06] <qsheets>	<a href="<?php echo htmlspecialchars($this->data['nav_urls']['mainpage']['href'])?><img src="<?php $this->text('logopath') ?>" <?php echo $skin->tooltipAndAccesskey('n-mainpage') ?>"</a>
[03:55:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) userCan should not override wgGroupPermissions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17116  (10eisenstein)
[03:55:54] <qsheets>	** <a href="<?php echo htmlspecialchars($this->data['nav_urls']['mainpage']['href'])?>"><img src="<?php $this->text('logopath') ?>" <?php echo $skin->tooltipAndAccesskey('n-mainpage') ?>"</a>
[03:56:11] <qsheets>	** <a href="<?php echo htmlspecialchars($this->data['nav_urls']['mainpage']['href'])?>"><img src="<?php $this->text('logopath') ?>" <?php echo $skin->tooltipAndAccesskey('n-mainpage') ?>" /></a>
[03:56:16] <qsheets>	sorry...
[03:56:20] <Tyrian>	ok thanks ill give it a try. np
[03:58:18] <Tyrian>	qsheets, I do want to place the image in the common/images folder right?
[03:58:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) userCan should not override wgGroupPermissions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17116  (10Andrew)
[03:58:33] <qsheets>	ummm
[03:58:40] <qsheets>	you could
[03:59:11] <Tyrian>	ok. I guess I can specify that in the $wglogo tag right?
[03:59:57] <qsheets>	like $wgLogo = "{$wgStylePath}/common/images/someimage.png"
[04:00:20] <Tyrian>	right. I appreciate it.
[04:00:27] <qsheets>	yup, np
[04:02:24] <qsheets>	G'night all
[04:05:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) userCan should not override wgGroupPermissions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17116  (10eisenstein)
[04:06:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) userCan should not override wgGroupPermissions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17116  (10Andrew)
[04:08:40] <JonnyK>	amazing. i got it so even my individual links forward to the new site
[04:08:46] <JonnyK>	google should like that
[04:47:21] <MMIkki>	Is there anyway to download all help contents of mediawiki (Manual) in a XML file? I exported several categories, but it seems wide spreaded everywhere.
[05:05:52] <CIA-6>	03nad * r46001 10/trunk/extensions/RecordAdmin/ (RecordAdmin.php RecordAdmin_body.php): move record searching into a method ready for parser-function to use later
[05:08:28] <CIA-6>	03nad * r46002 10/trunk/extensions/RecordAdmin/RecordAdmin_body.php: oops, have to actually return said records
[05:10:20] <CIA-6>	03nad * r46003 10/trunk/extensions/RecordAdmin/RecordAdmin_body.php: get new db connection
[05:10:57] *chuck 	wonders what RecordAdmin is
[05:21:07] <MrZ-man>	!e RecordAdmin | chuck
[05:21:07] --mwbot--	chuck: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:RecordAdmin
[05:52:40] <CIA-6>	03aaron * r46004 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
[05:52:40] <CIA-6>	* Pretty up quick table overview
[05:52:40] <CIA-6>	* Added table to ratinghistory
[05:52:40] <CIA-6>	* Division by zero notice fixes
[06:15:43] <CIA-6>	03aaron * r46005 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Show quick vote stats table after rating with ajax
[06:16:18] <werdnum>	AaronSchulz: when do you sleep? :P
[06:16:52] <AaronSchulz>	I was asleep for a good while a few hours ago
[06:16:56] <werdnum>	:P
[06:17:13] <werdnum>	okay, when do you leave the house? :P
[06:19:56] <AaronSchulz>	to eat, go to class, go to the bank, and buy magic cards :)
[06:20:30] <werdnum>	magic cards?
[06:20:34] <werdnum>	drugs? :O
[06:31:45] *werdnum 	reports AaronSchulz 
[06:42:50] <DarkriftX>	anyone know a good extension that would let me add my own custom box next to the TOC ?
[06:45:29] <Marybelle>	What kind of custom box?
[07:01:05] <olspookishmagus>	hello, I am trying the logo to logo.png
[07:01:07] <olspookishmagus>	# identify logo.png
[07:01:07] <olspookishmagus>	logo.png PNG 135x135 135x135+0+0 DirectClass 8-bit 41.8262kb
[07:02:48] <olspookishmagus>	but It does not end up showing in the wiki, on which directory should it be placed? /etc/mediawiki or /usr/share/mediawiki and with which permissions...
[07:03:39] <Tyrian>	Does anyone know the variable name for styling links to unwritten pages with the Modern skin?
[07:05:42] <werdnum>	class="new"
[07:05:54] <Tyrian>	ok thank you
[07:06:33] <olspookishmagus>	I am guessing it's /usr/share/mediawiki and with permissions 755
[07:06:35] <DarkriftX>	sorry Marybelle i didnt notice your reply. I basically want to put in an amazon.com widget that is a <script>. I would like to add it to the right of the TOC of possible (wouldnt mind if it were only on pages with a toc)
[07:07:55] <Marybelle>	Use JS?
[07:08:00] <DarkriftX>	been googling, when i use the term amazon there are extensions that let you put amazon links, but not widgets. i was also thinking a google adsense box would work, but most of those just want <google>adsenseID#</google> and dont want the whole <script> placed inside
[07:08:17] <DarkriftX>	JS as in javascript?
[07:08:22] <Marybelle>	I don't think there are any extensions to hook things on to the TOC.
[07:08:23] <Marybelle>	Yes.
[07:08:39] <DarkriftX>	do you know where the toc is generated?
[07:08:41] <DarkriftX>	which file?
[07:08:53] <Marybelle>	Article.php maybe?
[07:11:02] <DarkriftX>	doesnt seem to be in the template itself
[07:11:02] <DarkriftX>	ill check it real fast
[07:11:32] <olspookishmagus>	the weird is that if I explicitically try to browse to it, by typing http://SERVER_IP/wiki/logo.png - the image is found and shown correctly
[07:14:40] <olspookishmagus>	of course I've edited the /etc/mediawiki/LocalSetting.php and added the following line:
[07:14:40] <olspookishmagus>	$wgLogo = 'logo.jpg';
[07:14:49] <olspookishmagus>	LocalSettings*
[07:14:54] <Splarka>	use the full path
[07:20:09] <olspookishmagus>	Splarka: nope, did that too.. it just won't display the logo
[07:20:39] <Splarka>	you still getting the default logo?
[07:22:07] <olspookishmagus>	I was getting an image that was informing about the parameter I need to insert to LocalSettings.php in order to change the logo
[07:22:28] <olspookishmagus>	since I've changed it, this vanishes but it won't display my logo
[07:22:55] <Splarka>	monobook skin? viewed the page source for <div id="p-logo" ?
[07:26:52] <olspookishmagus>	yes monobook... should I do what's described in paragraph 3.1 of the FAQ or paragraph 3.2;
[07:30:02] <Tubarao>	when registering an extension with parserhooks, will I have to call some function to process other wikimarkup (templates!) within my tags?
[07:31:26] <olspookishmagus>	Splarka: great hint, it says:
[07:31:26] <olspookishmagus>	background-image: url(/var/www/wiki/logo.png);
[07:32:11] <olspookishmagus>	so it's this or /usr/share/mediawiki/logo.png since /var/www/wiki is a symbolic link to /usr/share/mediawiki
[07:32:44] <Splarka>	*facepalm*
[07:32:57] <Splarka>	use the full HTTP path
[07:33:23] <Splarka>	$wgLogo = 'http://SERVER_IP/wiki/logo.png';
[07:33:53] <Splarka>	the software neither knows nor cares what the image is or where it is, it simply tells the client how to see it
[07:34:21] <CIA-6>	03aaron * r46006 10/trunk/phase3/skins/CologneBlue.php: Fix filelist link
[07:34:38] <p858snake>	$wgLogo = "$wgScriptPath/site.png"; >.> if you want to store it under the directory you have mw installed in
[07:35:31] <p858snake>	or subfolders ect
[07:35:45] <olspookishmagus>	thanks Splarka 
[07:36:05] <olspookishmagus>	p858snake: nice hint
[07:36:14] <DarkriftX>	ok, anyone know what the best extension to search for that would just add a predefined <script> to the top of every page?
[07:36:15] <Splarka>	p858snake: don't confuse the noobs with complexity
[07:36:58] <DarkriftX>	hours of google searching and i keep finding the same ones that are too specific (amazon and adsense extensions want just your id#'s and dont want <script> code)
[07:38:22] <olspookishmagus>	Splarka: please feed the noobs with complexity - those who can take it, will appreciate it
[07:38:25] <Laaknor>	DarkriftX: [[MediaWiki:Common:js]] ?
[07:39:12] <DarkriftX>	ill google that
[07:39:26] <Splarka>	!logo | olspookishmagus
[07:39:26] --mwbot--	olspookishmagus: The logo that appears in the top left of each page is determined by $wgLogo in the LocalSettings.php file. To change this you simply change the value of $wgLogo to point to the URL of your own logo. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgLogo> for more information. Be sure $wgLogo is set to an absolute path, starting with "/" (or a protocol "http:"/"https:"). If you are using pretty URLs a relative path will behave oddly.
[07:39:41] <Laaknor>	DarkriftX: or just put MediaWiki:Common.js in your searchbox, press go, and create that page
[07:39:51] <DarkriftX>	ok
[07:40:22] <DarkriftX>	that page doesnt let me edit it
[07:40:31] <Laaknor>	you have to be sysop to edit it
[07:40:41] <DarkriftX>	i am
[07:41:35] <DarkriftX>	MediaWiki:Common.js
[07:41:42] <DarkriftX>	Member of: Bureaucrats and Sysops
[07:42:03] <olspookishmagus>	Splarka: no need to stress this much more... thanks a lot. on the Mediawiki's wiki it says: Either a fully-qualified URL or a relative path from DOCUMENT_ROOT.
[07:42:18] <DarkriftX>	relative path
[07:42:22] <DarkriftX>	means from the domain/
[07:42:50] <DarkriftX>	FQDN is http://domain.com/path/file.ext   relative path is /path/file.ext
[07:47:53] <DarkriftX>	ok, got that page to let me edit it (edited the url manually) but that doesnt allow you to paste in <script> html code
[07:48:46] <Splarka>	use importScriptURI('http://to/script.js')
[07:49:55] <DarkriftX>	Splarka: http://pastebin.com/m472f2154 is what i need to put in there. I do not have it all in a .js (and not sure if it would work in there since i do not know js)
[07:50:26] <Laaknor>	or add your script to MediaWiki:myownscript.js, and put importScript("MediaWiki:myownscript.js"); in MediaWiki:Common.js
[07:51:15] <Laaknor>	hmmm, that needs to be split up
[07:51:18] <Splarka>	DarkriftX: http://p.defau.lt/?LY5eaIYPp2C4TD566bs8zA
[07:51:42] <Laaknor>	excactly like that :P
[07:51:44] <Splarka>	if there is more html you'll need to edit your skin or create it with JS
[07:52:00] <DarkriftX>	Splarka: that shows as just plain text
[07:52:16] <DarkriftX>	oh wow, nevermind
[07:52:21] <DarkriftX>	destroyed the template though
[07:52:21] <Splarka>	*facepalm*
[07:52:21] <Splarka>	heh
[07:52:32] <Splarka>	Common.js is a regular text page
[07:52:50] <Splarka>	but it is loaded via gen=js as mime type "text/javascript" on every page view by default
[07:54:00] <DarkriftX>	ill digg through the template soem more lol
[08:01:14] <DarkriftX>	ahh, much easier just to add it to template, thx for the help though guys
[08:01:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable FlaggedRevs Patrolling Configuration on ia.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16485  (10prointerlingua)
[08:03:16] <p858snake>	<Splarka> p858snake: don't confuse the noobs with complexity <better than them trying to spend hours with /logo.png ect
[08:12:09] <olspookishmagus>	what do you suggest for defining parameter values; the use of quotes -> ' <- or double quotes -> " <-
[08:31:28] <JonnyK>	is there any way to automatically create internal links for terms ?
[08:34:00] <kraut>	moin
[08:39:13] <TylerInHiFi>	Anybody know what could cause this: http://www.inhifi.com/wiki/index.php/Tracklist with ParserFunctions installed and HTML Tidy enabled?
[08:39:48] <TylerInHiFi>	Tracklist and Tracklist/Track templates were taken right from Wikipedia with no modifications
[08:42:28] <Duesentrieb>	TylerInHiFi: without looking: have you enabled tidy?
[08:42:30] <Duesentrieb>	!tidy
[08:42:30] --mwbot--	HTML Tidy is an extermal application that cleans up HTML for XHTML compliance (such as bad user input like <table><tr></td></table>). Prior to the new preprocessor in 1.12 it was also needed for distributed, transcluded, or conditional HTML, or mixed HTML and wikitables, but newer versions allow it without Tidy. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUseTidy>
[08:42:35] <Duesentrieb>	oh dam
[08:42:39] <Duesentrieb>	you already said yes.
[08:42:42] <Duesentrieb>	sorry :P
[08:43:33] <TylerInHiFi>	No worries, I've been trying to get help for a bit on this, so I figured it would be easier to start off by saying that I've already taken care of the two most common fixes
[08:43:36] <Duesentrieb>	TylerInHiFi: well, for one thing, you are using 1.10, wikipedia is using 1.15alpha (~1.14beta)
[08:44:02] <Duesentrieb>	there have been changes to template preprocessing in 1.12, so that *might* be it.
[08:44:06] <TylerInHiFi>	How easy is it to upgrade?
[08:44:19] <Duesentrieb>	very easy. unless something goes wrong :)
[08:44:21] <Duesentrieb>	!upgrade
[08:44:21] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading
[08:45:06] <TylerInHiFi>	Hm.  With my luck I'll get an e-mail from my hosting company about the upgrade causing a fire or something, but I suppose I should give that a shot
[08:45:37] <Duesentrieb>	hehe
[08:45:49] <Duesentrieb>	don't forget the backup(s)
[08:49:49] <p858snake>	TylerInHiFi: did you import the templates or just copy and paste?
[08:50:01] <TylerInHiFi>	Just copy/paste
[08:50:14] <TylerInHiFi>	I tried importing them, but I get a PHP error in ParserFunctions.php on line 405
[08:50:29] <p858snake>	import won't touch parser functions....
[08:50:37] <TylerInHiFi>	Yeah, didn't really think so
[08:51:05] <TylerInHiFi>	Fatal error: Call to undefined function wfLoadExtensionMessages() in /mounted-storage/home70b/sub001/sc16966-QTFK/www/wiki/extensions/ParserFunctions/ParserFunctions.php on line 405
[08:51:10] <TylerInHiFi>	that message to be exact
[08:51:58] <p858snake>	are you going to [[Special:Import]] to do it?
[08:52:31] <olspookishmagus>	what need I do to switch from:
[08:52:31] <olspookishmagus>	$wgDBmysql5 = false;
[08:52:31] <olspookishmagus>	to:
[08:52:31] <olspookishmagus>	$wgDBmysql5 = true;
[08:52:48] <olspookishmagus>	I just change the line;
[08:52:56] <p858snake>	yes
[08:53:29] <olspookishmagus>	p858snake: won't I have to dump the lines, change encodings or anything like that;
[08:53:58] <TylerInHiFi>	yep, importing from Special:Import
[08:57:24] <p858snake>	hmm i will try importing it into my local install
[09:06:06] <p858snake>	TylerInHiFi: hmm strange it Imported on my local install *scratches head*
[09:06:43] <TylerInHiFi>	I'm upgrading to 1.13 right now
[09:07:00] <TylerInHiFi>	So I'll see if that fixes my import/template issue
[09:07:23] <TylerInHiFi>	I would assume it would be good practice to attempt to import the templates rather than just copy/paste though?
[09:08:27] <p858snake>	it might be using a template somewhere that you didn't notice
[09:10:08] <TylerInHiFi>	yeah, the only other ones that seem to be linked to it are a documentation template and a partial protection template
[09:10:08] <TylerInHiFi>	neither of which seemed to make any difference
[09:24:33] <CIA-6>	03thedevilonline * r46007 10/USERINFO/thedevilonline: Added user information for thedevilonline
[09:32:02] <Nikerabbit>	yay
[09:36:06] <WyriHaximus>	hey guys for my work I'm working on a simple bot to edit/create certain pages automatically, but now when I want to create a page using the edit action I get this error back from the API "Unrecognized value for parameter 'action': edit". The bot was writeapi right and rights to edit/create in the namespace it's working. How can I resolve this issue? 
[09:37:36] <Splarka>	is the API new enough? are you using 1.13.x? are you submitting via POST and not GET?
[09:37:50] <Laaknor>	have you specified edittoken?
[09:38:15] <WyriHaximus>	Splarka, yup using 1.13 and sending it all over POST
[09:38:19] <WyriHaximus>	Laaknor, yup
[09:38:35] <TylerInHiFi>	Did it wrong
[09:39:08] <TylerInHiFi>	somehow instead of upgrading, it deleted everything...
[09:39:19] <TylerInHiFi>	Everything except images
[09:39:24] <Splarka>	have you tried logging in manually via browser and constructing a <form method="post" action="yourwiki/api.php"> with <input type="text" name="action" value="edit" /> for each field?
[09:40:17] <WyriHaximus>	Splarka, no not yet sec
[09:40:32] <TylerInHiFi>	It's a good thing I didn't have *that* much content
[09:40:41] <TylerInHiFi>	yay for rebuilding for the second time in six months
[09:41:40] <Laaknor>	TylerInHiFi: and the backup you were asked to take?
[09:41:51] <TylerInHiFi>	yeah, didn't do that
[09:41:58] <TylerInHiFi>	so it *is* my own fault
[09:42:36] <TylerInHiFi>	I've got older backups anyway, so it's just a matter of copying and pasting the majority of it
[09:43:59] <WyriHaximus>	Splarka, same error
[09:44:05] <Duesentrieb>	TylerInHiFi: if you deleted files, that doesn't imply you deleted wiki content.
[09:44:20] <Duesentrieb>	you could just reinstall the software, and point it at the existing database.
[09:44:41] <TylerInHiFi>	How does one go about doing this?
[09:44:57] <Duesentrieb>	simply install mediawiki.
[09:45:15] <Duesentrieb>	and provide the exact same database settings as before
[09:45:18] <Splarka>	WyriHaximus: are you using any interesting rewrite rules? sometimes they interfere if you don't exclude api.php
[09:45:28] <TylerInHiFi>	I'll give that a shot
[09:45:31] <Duesentrieb>	the installer doesn't overwrite or delete anything
[09:45:34] <Duesentrieb>	all content is preserved
[09:45:51] <Duesentrieb>	TylerInHiFi: before you give anything a shot, you should REALLY make a backup of what is left
[09:45:56] <Duesentrieb>	ie. images and database.
[09:46:00] <Nikerabbit>	hi dues
[09:46:06] <Duesentrieb>	hey Nikerabbit
[09:46:20] <WyriHaximus>	Splarka, no not at all
[09:46:46] <WyriHaximus>	to bad the docs aren't very useful either on this error :(
[09:47:02] <WyriHaximus>	hey Nikerabbit 
[09:49:03] <TylerInHiFi>	where do I provide these database settings?
[09:50:23] <TylerInHiFi>	nevermind
[09:50:25] <TylerInHiFi>	LocalSettings.php
[09:50:46] <Splarka>	WyriHaximus: what does api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=general give?
[09:52:11] <WyriHaximus>	Splarka, http://pastebin.com/d44c72adb
[09:54:35] <Splarka>	I don't see writeapi=""
[09:54:46] <WyriHaximus>	hmmm
[09:55:12] <Splarka>	is this on wikia?
[09:56:31] <WyriHaximus>	DOH >_<
[09:57:25] <WyriHaximus>	though I enabled the writeapi, was asuming I did cause I got an edit token xD
[09:58:09] <Splarka>	you can get an edit token without writeapi, you can just submit to the UI edit form
[09:58:24] <WyriHaximus>	ah that explains it :)
[09:58:57] <WyriHaximus>	thanks for helping and pointing it out :D
[09:59:03] <Splarka>	rar
[10:02:51] <olspookishmagus>	how can I control over the new user creation;
[10:03:43] <CIA-6>	03raymond * r46008 10/trunk/extensions/Drafts/ (Drafts.classes.php Drafts.i18n.php Drafts.php): 
[10:03:43] <CIA-6>	* Add a special page summary/header
[10:03:43] <CIA-6>	* Assign the special page to the 'pagetools' group
[10:05:53] <Splarka>	rar
[10:16:19] <StealthCP>	how can I place a # at the start of a line in a wiki page?
[10:16:33] <StealthCP>	the character, not it's use to denote numbering
[10:16:44] <CIA-6>	03ialex * r46009 10/trunk/extensions/CentralNotice/ (SpecialCentralNotice.php SpecialNoticeTemplate.php): 
[10:16:44] <CIA-6>	* Also show templates used by notices in Central:Notice for users without centralnotice-admin right
[10:16:44] <CIA-6>	* Removed "Submit" button for users without centralnotice-admin right in Special:CentralNotice
[10:16:44] <CIA-6>	* Fixed XHTML errors
[10:16:45] <CIA-6>	* Whitespaces fixes
[10:16:51] <Splarka>	tried <nowiki>#</nowiki> ?
[10:16:52] <ialex>	StealthCP: <nowiki>#</nowiki>
[10:16:57] <ialex>	:)
[10:17:04] <StealthCP>	oh yeah, that :P
[10:17:13] <StealthCP>	no tidier way?  just for one character?
[10:17:31] <StealthCP>	or any extension that would provide that functionality (like prefixing it with \)
[10:17:38] <Splarka>	&#35; ?
[10:18:08] <StealthCP>	now that's more like it :)
[10:18:26] <StealthCP>	thanks all for your help, I'd forgotten about <nowiki> and could do with it elsewhere too
[10:21:11] <lch>	is there some wiki software with a syntax that can be converted to html/xml/tex through some scripts, too?
[10:22:02] <QuestPC>	Hi! v1.14 has very interesting global settings: $wgAccountCreationThrottle, $wgRateLimits. Unfortunately DefaultSettings.php warns these require memcached, which is overblow for my less-than-average sized wikis. Why such a limitation?
[10:22:18] <faceface>	lch: perl
[10:22:52] <ialex>	QuestPC: because we don't store them in the database ;)
[10:22:54] <faceface>	perl = practical encyclopedia reformatting language
[10:23:02] <ialex>	:D
[10:23:22] <QuestPC>	ialex: Any hope it would change in the future?
[10:23:35] <lch>	faceface, with wiki software I meant something other than mediawiki, maybe, as I know that there are numerous parsers for mediawiki's syntax to other output formats, but none of them really work
[10:23:43] <ialex>	QuestPC: not likely
[10:23:59] <faceface>	lch: tried the perl modules?
[10:24:07] <faceface>	there are many wiki syntaxes supported
[10:24:27] <lch>	as I said, most stuff that I find is outdated or doesn't work correctly
[10:24:29] <ialex>	QuestPC: but actually anything else than CACHE_NONE for $wgMainCacheType should work
[10:24:38] <faceface>	don't know then
[10:24:40] <lch>	the most promising was what the OLPC foundation came up with
[10:24:43] <lch>	which was python code
[10:24:52] <faceface>	ooffice?
[10:24:53] <QuestPC>	ialex: ok.. I will how much memcached is worth, then. generally I just $wgUseDatabaseMessages=false to reduce the load.
[10:24:54] <lch>	but it got abandoned, too, I think
[10:25:08] <faceface>	oof has good mediawiki export
[10:25:10] <QuestPC>	ialex: ok, thanks for info
[10:28:28] <QuestPC>	ialex: I use APC and $wgMainCacheType = CACHE_ACCEL; will that work?
[10:28:40] <ialex>	QuestPC: yes
[10:29:17] <QuestPC>	ialex: Great! Especially because they promise to include APC into the core of future PHP releases (so I've heard)
[10:30:56] <QuestPC>	ialex: maybe DefaultSettings.php should be corrected, because the current warning is a bit misleading (only memcached)
[10:32:17] <ialex>	QuestPC: by memcached, we mean any type of cache system ;)
[10:33:23] <QuestPC>	:-)
[10:34:51] <CIA-6>	03ialex * r46010 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/CHANGELOG: Fix for r45983: add CHANGELOG entry
[10:41:48] <CIA-6>	03raymond * r46011 10/trunk/extensions/SpecialForm/ (SpecialForm.body.php SpecialForm.i18n.php): 
[10:41:48] <CIA-6>	Merge singular/plural messages into one message using {{PLURAL:...}}
[10:41:48] <CIA-6>	per suggestion from Translatewiki: http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?oldid=1009710#Formrequiredfieldpluralerror_and_Formrequiredfielderror_should_be_merged_using_PLURAL
[10:43:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wikibits patch #9 - force sortorder of a column - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15406  (10mhorvath2161)
[10:54:59] <CIA-6>	03nad * r46012 10/trunk/extensions/RecordAdmin/ (RecordAdmin.i18n.php RecordAdmin.php RecordAdmin_body.php): add parser-function for embedded searches
[10:59:25] <StealthCP>	how may I add additional wikis for use with the interwiki feature, on my wiki?
[11:00:57] <StealthCP>	I've found the page finally, no longer need help :)
[11:12:16] <CIA-6>	03jojo * r46013 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/ (Collection.body.php Collection.php): fixed variable name
[11:14:32] <CIA-6>	03jojo * r46014 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.php: oops, wrong default value
[11:22:38] <CIA-6>	03siebrand * r46015 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/languages/SMW_Messages.php: Remove {{SITENAME}} in 'smw_maxstring', 'smw_infinite', and 'smw_infinite_unit'. Not needed.
[11:41:38] <Raymond_>	Simetrical: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/45988#c1370
[11:49:37] <CIA-6>	03ialex * r46016 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialCategories.php: Per Raymond's comment on r45988: fixed "Fatal error: Unsupported operand types in includes/Pager.php on line 318"
[11:50:15] <ialex>	Raymond_: fixed ;)
[11:50:27] <Raymond_>	ialex: wow :)
[11:50:41] <Raymond_>	I looked at the wrong file
[12:09:23] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) MediaWiki pages not displaying unless given language suffix - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15224  (10bluegoblin)
[12:23:08] <CIA-6>	03jojo * r46017 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.body.php: use title of saved collection page in category link to improve sorting on category page
[12:27:17] <ShakespeareFan00>	Hi
[12:27:21] <ShakespeareFan00>	How do I report a bug
[12:27:23] <ShakespeareFan00>	?
[12:29:36] <p858snake>	ShakespeareFan00: on the bugzilla system, bugzilla.mediawiki.org
[12:29:48] <p858snake>	or just in here works as well
[12:29:51] <ShakespeareFan00>	Ok
[12:29:57] <ShakespeareFan00>	The problems is as follows:
[12:30:05] <ShakespeareFan00>	Mediawiki has templates
[12:30:26] <ShakespeareFan00>	Amongst other things on enwiki these are used to put various licenses on images
[12:30:47] <ShakespeareFan00>	Recently a number of these were modfied to put an automated note about moving the image to commons
[12:31:16] <ShakespeareFan00>	This automatic note can be switched off by including an addtional paramater in the template inovcation
[12:31:33] <ShakespeareFan00>	e.g {{GFDL|commons={{nocommons}} }} for example
[12:31:52] <ShakespeareFan00>	When the modfied templates are used in a singular fashion, things work fine
[12:32:25] <ShakespeareFan00>	The problem comes when an attempt it made to use one of those template names as paramater to another meta-template like for example {{self}}
[12:33:26] <ShakespeareFan00>	What should happen is that the template concerned  uses {{blah|commons={{{commons}}} }}  where blah = {{{1}}},{{{2}}},{{{3}}} etc...
[12:33:59] <ShakespeareFan00>	For some reason mediawiki gets confused about the "|" charcter which needs to be included. 
[12:34:12] <p858snake>	use {{!}} instead of the | then
[12:34:16] <ShakespeareFan00>	I did
[12:34:20] <ShakespeareFan00>	That doesn't work
[12:34:28] <ShakespeareFan00>	Or at least has not been so-far
[12:34:56] <ShakespeareFan00>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Self/sandbox
[12:35:05] <ShakespeareFan00>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Self/testcases
[12:36:33] <Splarka>	template names, variable names, and variable values can be expanded from sub-calls to variables, templates, parserfunctions and such, but not the delimiters (pipes, colons, and equal signs)
[12:36:52] <ShakespeareFan00>	As you can see There have BEEN a number of attempts to get it to work
[12:37:43] <ShakespeareFan00>	So simple question how do I get it correctly build the string {{<blah>|commons={{commons}} }} where {{blah}} is {{{1}},{{{2}}} ,{{{3}}} respectivly
[12:37:56] <ShakespeareFan00>	If mediawiki can't do it, I consider that a BUG
[12:38:19] <Splarka>	"{{<blah>|commons={{commons}} }} where {{blah}}"   I don't see {{blah}} in your example, I see <blah>, please elaborate
[12:38:58] <ShakespeareFan00>	Sorry where <blah>= is {{{1}}}, {{{2}}},{{{3}}
[12:39:15] <Splarka>	you want to define a template name as a compounding of three variables?
[12:39:21] <ShakespeareFan00>	No
[12:39:28] <Splarka>	{{template call|foo|bar|baz}}  -> {{foo,bar,baz}} ?
[12:40:48] <ShakespeareFan00>	{{self|GFDL|commons={{nocommons}}}}  should create {{GFDL|commons={{nocommons}}}} at the relevant place in the template {{self}}
[12:41:20] <Splarka>	ew
[12:41:39] <Splarka>	what is wrong with {{self|{{GFDL|commons={{nocommons}}}} }} ?
[12:42:00] <ShakespeareFan00>	because that's not what the template advice says
[12:42:05] <ShakespeareFan00>	But OK point taken
[12:42:07] <ShakespeareFan00>	:)
[12:42:18] <Splarka>	btw
[12:42:25] <Splarka>	this used to be possible, but was considered very hackish
[12:42:38] <Splarka>	when Tim rewrote the parser it was the one thing for which there was no immediate workaround
[12:42:56] <Splarka>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Migration_to_the_new_preprocessor
[12:43:33] <ShakespeareFan00>	Ah 
[12:43:40] <ShakespeareFan00>	So it is a Mediawiki limitatiion?
[12:43:51] <ShakespeareFan00>	and not my typos, misunderatsnding of template syntax?
[12:44:13] *Splarka 	tries to find the example
[12:44:31] <Splarka>	it isn't a limitation, it is just a previously exploitable limitation in the parser logic, heh
[12:44:39] <Splarka>	which is now 'fixed'
[12:44:50] <Splarka>	damn, can't find the examples
[12:45:11] <Splarka>	it is similar to this: {{#if:1|{{template{{!}}parameter}} }}  which used to work, but now only works (and also did before) with: {{#if:1|{{template|parameter}} }}
[12:45:31] <ShakespeareFan00>	Sparkla : yes thats exactly the problem
[12:45:32] <Splarka>	before you could do something like: {{self|foo{{!}}bar=baz}}
[12:45:33] <ShakespeareFan00>	:)
[12:45:37] <Splarka>	where the content was {{{{{1}}}}}
[12:45:49] <Splarka>	but that is silly, better to do {{{1}}}
[12:45:55] <Splarka>	and pass {{foo|bar=baz}}
[12:46:20] <Splarka>	Tim and I and MZM considered it simply a badly written template (I believe it was self that was the main concern)
[12:46:22] <ShakespeareFan00>	Spalarka : It's still not right - look at the testcases
[12:46:26] <p858snake>	and why is there GFDL stuff that shouldn't be on commons?
[12:46:45] <ShakespeareFan00>	{{nocommons}} is that the local copy shouldn't be removed
[12:46:47] <ShakespeareFan00>	:)
[12:47:11] <p858snake>	or stuff on commons where the local copy shouldn't be removed?
[12:47:21] <Splarka>	okay, here is the thing
[12:47:37] <Splarka>	you can't pass template names *and* parameters as uncovered parameters
[12:47:41] <Splarka>	you must pass them as covered
[12:47:49] <Splarka>	that you could once upon a time was a big nasty bug
[12:48:11] <ShakespeareFan00>	Splarka: OK can you please modify {{Self/sandbox}} so it does what I am trying to make it do
[12:48:12] <Splarka>	{{{{{1}}}}} is just nasty
[12:48:23] <ShakespeareFan00>	At the moment I have come to the limit of my sanity with templates
[12:48:25] <Splarka>	hmm
[12:48:44] *Splarka 	looks
[12:48:56] <ShakespeareFan00>	what i want to do is pass {{gfdl|commons={{nocmmons}}}} as a parmater to self
[12:49:05] <ShakespeareFan00>	which should then solve the issues concerned
[12:49:15] <ShakespeareFan00>	Don't modify self itself
[12:50:13] <ShakespeareFan00>	What should be happening is that the note aout moving to commons vanishes if the commons=<foor> paramater exists
[12:50:18] *Splarka 	tries to pair up opening/closing
[12:50:22] *Splarka 	would assume self is protected
[12:50:29] <ShakespeareFan00>	It is
[12:50:38] <ShakespeareFan00>	That;s why I was using the sandbox version of it
[12:51:11] <Splarka>	okay, I have an idea
[12:51:14] <ShakespeareFan00>	As you can tell, myself and others have tried various methods for trying to get it working unsucessfully
[12:51:30] <Splarka>	it should be backward compat, if ugly
[12:51:46] <ShakespeareFan00>	Rough specfication on what I am trying to do is I think this :
[12:52:00] <ShakespeareFan00>	currently you write {{self|GFDL|CC-BY}} for example
[12:52:12] *Splarka 	ponders imponderables
[12:52:34] <Splarka>	{{#ifexist:Template:{{{1}}}|{{{{{1}}}}}|{{{1|}}}}}
[12:52:40] <Splarka>	ponder that for a second
[12:52:53] <ShakespeareFan00>	I want to be ablt to put {{self|{{GFDL|commons={{nocommons}}}} |{{CC-BY={{nocommons}} }}
[12:52:58] <Splarka>	{{self}} will do nothing, which is wrong of course
[12:53:08] <Splarka>	{{self|GFDL}} will do {{GFDL}}
[12:53:16] <Splarka>	{{self|{{GFDL|foo}}}} will do {{GFDL|foo}}
[12:53:39] <ShakespeareFan00>	OK
[12:53:46] <Splarka>	that syntax would allow either a bare template name, if it matches an existing template name, OR an aribtrary wikicode string
[12:53:58] <Splarka>	this is needed because of the billions of {{self}} calls out in the wild, heh
[12:54:03] <ShakespeareFan00>	But won't the second leave an additional bracket pair?
[12:54:30] <ShakespeareFan00>	Re compatiability : Yeah, that's needed until people start to use the new version
[12:54:31] <Splarka>	{{#ifexist:Template: {{{1}}} |{{ {{{1}}} }}|{{{1|}}} }}
[12:54:40] <ShakespeareFan00>	Anyway if it's fixable feel free
[12:55:01] *Splarka 	tries it
[12:55:50] <ShakespeareFan00>	I'm adding some test cases
[12:56:57] *Splarka 	saves
[12:57:12] <CIA-6>	03raymond * r46018 10/trunk/phase3/includes/EditPage.php: * Wrap 'cascadeprotectedwarning'/'titleprotectedwarning' messages into a div with own classes
[12:57:15] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Self/sandbox&diff=265691710&oldid=265690203
[12:58:28] <ShakespeareFan00>	See testcases
[12:58:37] <ShakespeareFan00>	It's STILL not doign what it should :(
[12:58:48] <ShakespeareFan00>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Self/testcases?action=purge
[12:58:51] <p858snake>	have you done a null edit over it yet?
[12:59:05] <ShakespeareFan00>	Which means that I or you have miscommunicated what we meant
[12:59:10] <Splarka>	wtf
[12:59:16] <Splarka>	== Using a modfied self/sandbox to pass as {{GFDL|commons={{nocommons}} instead of plain GFDL ==
[12:59:16] <Splarka>	{{self/sandbox|{{GFDL|commons={{nocommons}}}}}}
[12:59:18] <ShakespeareFan00>	p858snake: I've tried it with several edits
[12:59:22] <Splarka>	that is some baaaaad wikicode there, ShakespeareFan00
[12:59:27] <ShakespeareFan00>	OK
[12:59:34] <Splarka>	you didn't close a template IN a header
[12:59:35] <ShakespeareFan00>	HOW should I be encoding this
[12:59:36] <ShakespeareFan00>	?
[12:59:38] <Splarka>	...
[12:59:43] <ShakespeareFan00>	I have reached the limit of my sanity with templates
[12:59:48] <Splarka>	by not putting templates in headers, and if you do, close them
[12:59:52] <p858snake>	i still don't get why if a image is on commons your leaving a local copy on en wiki
[12:59:53] <ShakespeareFan00>	PLEASE FIX THIS 
[12:59:53] <Splarka>	you're missing }}
[13:00:25] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Self/testcases#Using_a_modfied_self.2Fsandbox_to_pass_as_.7B.7BGFDL.7Ccommons.3D.7B.7Bnocommons.7D.7D.7D.7D_instead_of_plain_GFDL
[13:00:54] <ShakespeareFan00>	OK
[13:00:55] <Splarka>	no miscommunication, you just didn't close a template
[13:01:05] <ShakespeareFan00>	Hm
[13:01:07] <Splarka>	bad Shakespeare, no loves labor won
[13:01:15] <ShakespeareFan00>	Bottom testcase works :)
[13:01:22] <ShakespeareFan00>	Which solve the problem :)
[13:01:23] <ShakespeareFan00>	:)
[13:01:27] <ShakespeareFan00>	Finally GOT THERE
[13:01:50] <ShakespeareFan00>	Now if you can convince someonw to update the live version of self, my probelm is resolved
[13:01:52] <ShakespeareFan00>	:)
[13:02:04] <Splarka>	ugh
[13:02:27] <Splarka>	the job queue watchers like to murder useless edits to overused templates
[13:02:31] <Splarka>	try editing {{!}} sometime
[13:03:43] <ShakespeareFan00>	I' will go and find an admin
[13:03:45] <ShakespeareFan00>	:)
[13:10:34] <ShakespeareFan00>	Sparkla : Still not perfect
[13:10:40] <ShakespeareFan00>	Check the second test case I added
[13:14:00] <Splarka>	sec
[13:21:37] <Splarka>	ShakespeareFan00: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Self/testcases&diff=265693314&oldid=265692124  you mean? what does it do wrongly?
[13:28:11] <ShakespeareFan00>	Wait a mo
[13:28:13] <ShakespeareFan00>	Ah
[13:28:20] <ShakespeareFan00>	Not the self template that's wrong :)
[13:28:28] <ShakespeareFan00>	it's a problem in the embeded one :)
[13:28:39] <ShakespeareFan00>	It works as intended :)
[13:29:17] <Splarka>	yay
[13:29:45] <Splarka>	btw, if you want the {{{commons}}} parameter to do anything that has to be outside the calls to the other templates
[13:30:03] <Splarka>	so like {{self/sandbox|{{GFDL|commons={{nocommons}}}}|{{cc-by-sa-3.0|commons={{nocommons}}}}|commons={{nocommons}}}}
[13:30:30] <ShakespeareFan00>	Yeah well, self won't actually now always need to the additonal param :)
[13:30:30] <Splarka>	hmm
[13:30:47] <ShakespeareFan00>	because it's passed in the embeded template calss
[13:31:26] <ShakespeareFan00>	A full soloution to this will need a lot more thinking :)
[13:31:28] <Splarka>	also, I am pretty sure...
[13:31:30] <Splarka>	{{#if:{{{commons|}}}|{{{commons}}} }}
[13:31:44] <Splarka>	can simply be {{{commons|}}} in almost all cases
[13:31:53] <ShakespeareFan00>	OK
[13:32:00] <Splarka>	there are of course some exceptions, like if you want static variable content, like punctuation
[13:32:03] <ShakespeareFan00>	But at the moment it works
[13:32:05] <ShakespeareFan00>	:)
[13:32:11] <ShakespeareFan00>	So I am not tweaking further
[13:32:23] <Splarka>	or to detect {{foo|commons=}} vs {{foo}} vs {{foo|commons=not null}}
[13:32:24] <ShakespeareFan00>	without seeking a group opinion
[13:32:29] <Splarka>	heh
[13:32:34] <White_Cat>	if|commons|delete|else|rinse
[13:32:36] <Splarka>	fine fine, cabal balast
[13:32:57] <White_Cat>	{{{commons|}}} where default is null
[13:33:13] <White_Cat>	{{{commons|value}}} where default is "value"
[13:33:16] <ShakespeareFan00>	Ideally self should only have a sinlge  commons=nocommons/subst:ncd etc.. but that's not easy to code given that some images use the indviudal license tags
[13:33:30] <ShakespeareFan00>	which emebded
[13:33:39] <Splarka>	White_Cat: yes yes, but sometimes people want to detect null _and_ undefined vs defined+unnull
[13:33:39] <ShakespeareFan00>	and need to have the commons= param indvidualy 
[13:33:56] <White_Cat>	Splarka thats also easy
[13:34:06] <Splarka>	whereas {{commons|}} only detects undefined vs null or defined
[13:34:15] <Splarka>	er {{{commons|}}}
[13:34:20] <Splarka>	yes yes, as they're already doing
[13:34:21] <ShakespeareFan00>	If the issue of {{self}} can be further improved Great, but that's not something I can comment on given that it seemingly works as I intended now
[13:34:33] <Splarka>	and as I was explaining, they could switch to {{{commons|}}} since that is unlikely
[13:34:43] <Splarka>	except they're probably going to remove that parameter
[13:34:57] <White_Cat>	{{#ifeq:{{{commons}}}|{{{commons|}}}|output1|output2}}
[13:35:17] <Splarka>	http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/tollgatefail.jpg
[13:35:26] <White_Cat>	if defined, do output 1 if not defined do output 2
[13:36:08] <ShakespeareFan00>	At the moment the sandbox example works as intented (with some minor changes in how it's called )
[13:36:13] <White_Cat>	{{#ifeq:{{{White_Cat}}}|{{{White_Cat|}}}|ShakespeareFan00|Splarka}}
[13:36:36] <ShakespeareFan00>	So I'm happy
[13:36:52] <White_Cat>	ShakespeareFan00 well I am not
[13:36:53] <ShakespeareFan00>	If it's possible to fix it and the downstream templates Better :)
[13:36:56] <White_Cat>	for that you must die!
[13:37:22] <ShakespeareFan00>	BTW In respect of {{CC-BY-SA-3.0}} what might have gone wrong?
[13:37:31] <Splarka>	ShakespeareFan00: you tell me, what is wrong?
[13:37:47] <ShakespeareFan00>	The move to commons note should be in a box 
[13:37:49] <ShakespeareFan00>	It's not
[13:38:23] <Splarka>	hmm
[13:38:52] <Splarka>	{{cc-by-sa-3.0|commons={{nocommons}}}}
[13:39:47] <ShakespeareFan00>	Yeah
[13:40:01] <ShakespeareFan00>	but if you look at the other testcases , it's wrong genrally
[13:40:17] <CIA-6>	03sergeychernyshev * r46019 10/USERINFO/sergeychernyshev: Added information about myself.
[13:40:25] <ShakespeareFan00>	Ideally the Commons Encouraged embed should be the same on the CC-BY-SA-3.0 tag as it is for GFDL
[13:41:10] <Splarka>	<includeonly>{{CommonsEncouraged|works of this type |commons={{{commons|}}}}}</includeonly>
[13:41:12] <Splarka>	same in both... hmm
[13:41:18] <ShakespeareFan00>	The problem is that I can't see ANY difference between the two templates 
[13:41:26] <ShakespeareFan00>	Splarka - Exactly :)
[13:41:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  syntax to transclude a page without the containing page inheriting categories , interlanguage links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=835  (10ameliorate)
[13:43:04] <ShakespeareFan00>	Splarka: Logic says those two templates should beahve in simmilar ways, yet they don't seem to
[13:43:17] <ShakespeareFan00>	which means there is an obscure typo SOMEWHERE
[13:43:17] <Splarka>	well, they don't
[13:43:33] <ShakespeareFan00>	But for all intents they have the same code
[13:43:35] <Splarka>	or just some odd formatting
[13:43:51] *Splarka 	gets idea
[13:44:24] <Splarka>	yes
[13:44:29] <Splarka>	they operate the same in Image: namespace
[13:44:40] <ShakespeareFan00>	Ah:
[13:44:42] <ShakespeareFan00>	OK
[13:44:57] <Splarka>	so the problem is in the conditional bit of the CC template
[13:45:16] <ShakespeareFan00>	OK
[13:45:17] <Splarka>	of which the GFDL one has none
[13:45:24] <Splarka>	| :::::This template should only be used on image pages.
[13:45:27] <ShakespeareFan00>	Then that's beyond my capability to solve :)
[13:45:28] <Splarka>	ew
[13:45:37] <Splarka>	well, just have a sysop delete that line
[13:46:30] <Splarka>	it ends up putting that box into a huge indention of <dl><dd>  which just breaks everything
[13:46:36] <Splarka>	<dl><dd>This template should only be used on image pages.
[13:46:36] <Splarka>	<table class="plainlinks imbox imbox-notice" style=""></table>
[13:46:36] <Splarka>	</dd></dl>
[13:46:37] <Splarka>	haha
[13:47:09] <Splarka>	maybe some linefeeds after that, or just a <center> instead of :::::
[13:47:36] <Splarka>	ShakespeareFan00: sysop job, add to your list
[13:52:08] <I-MOD>	Tim-away, as a followup to last night, I'm still trying to finish up work on 1605 for creation of edit links in arbitrary places.  I know you mentioned using the unique ID associated with the template heading, but mHeadings (being a private/local variable inside parser) isn't supposed to be used from external functions
[13:53:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  syntax to transclude a page without the containing page inheriting categories , interlanguage links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=835  (10ameliorate)
[14:02:47] <voraistos>	HI. Is there an extension for mediawiki that would allow me to add a status to pages ?
[14:02:57] <voraistos>	such as published/unpublished ?
[14:03:30] <I-MOD>	i don't know if there's an extension for that, but it sounds like you need a CMS
[14:03:41] <voraistos>	yes, kind of
[14:04:07] <voraistos>	all i nedd is mediawiki + a special status for pages which is 'unpublished'
[14:04:27] <voraistos>	as these different pages would have different user rights
[14:04:32] <voraistos>	but that's all
[14:04:46] <voraistos>	all of the other CMSs have really poor wikis
[14:06:19] <voraistos>	even if there is no such extension it should be fairly easy to do. all pages aren't accessible to all users in mediawiki already
[14:09:39] <Duesentrieb>	!access voraistos
[14:09:39] --mwbot--	For information on customizing user access, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights>. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access>.
[14:09:52] <Duesentrieb>	!lockdown
[14:09:52] --mwbot--	Lockdown is an extension for preventing read or write access by namespace and limiting access to special pages. For more information, see < http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Lockdown >. For general information on preventing access to your wiki, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access >.
[14:10:25] <voraistos>	haha this lockdown things looks like it could be what I am looking for. Or do the same thing anyways.
[14:10:27] <voraistos>	thanks !
[14:14:23] <ShakespeareFan00>	mwbot: First F;agged Revisons now lockdown
[14:14:25] <ShakespeareFan00>	:(
[14:14:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "show/hide" links should not be unavoidably in monospace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17055  (10happy_melon)
[14:14:39] <ShakespeareFan00>	all anarchists go facist eventually :(
[14:20:32] <mophilly>	I upgraded a machine to mac os x 10.5.x and mediawiki 1.13. Previously running 10.4 and 1.10.x respectively. Thumbnails and images are no longer rendered in pages. Too many search hits that are vague. Can anyone share a link to a concise resolution?
[14:27:16] <mophilly>	well, resolution maybe but at least something closer to the problem. logo is rendered, but in line images do not. Instead of an image, a link is displayed. E.g. "Image:AssetType.png".
[14:31:06] <CIA-6>	03philip * r46020 10/trunk/phase3/includes/CategoryPage.php: Enable LanguageConverter on Category Pages.
[14:41:38] <CIA-6>	03philip * r46021 10/USERINFO/philip: Add Philip's information.
[14:43:02] <Huufarted>	I'm sorry to bother everybody, but I'm having an issue upgrading my DB for an upgrade of MediaWiki from 1.7 to 1.13.
[14:43:10] <Simetrical>	Huufarted, details?
[14:43:16] <Huufarted>	It's been sitting at "Deleting old default messages" for about an hour now.
[14:43:25] <Huufarted>	but the wiki I'm running is only about 100 pages or so total.
[14:43:37] <Duesentrieb>	but it has a thousand default messages or so.
[14:43:46] <Duesentrieb>	which used to be copied to the database
[14:44:18] <Huufarted>	so over an hour so far is normal?  It's only using about 1% of the CPU so it doesn't seem like it's active.
[14:45:28] <CIA-6>	03rotem * r46022 10/trunk/extensions/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Localization update for he.
[14:46:57] <Huufarted>	Duesentrieb, it's normal for it to be running for over an hour so far?
[14:47:24] <Duesentrieb>	hard to tell.
[14:47:27] <Duesentrieb>	it can take quite long.
[14:47:36] <Duesentrieb>	i don't know if it's right that it takes *that* long
[14:47:46] <Duesentrieb>	the db my be disk bound, so cpu load isn't high
[14:47:49] <Duesentrieb>	but who knows.
[14:47:54] <Duesentrieb>	maybe it died :)
[14:48:02] <Huufarted>	lol the process is still chugging along
[14:48:45] <Huufarted>	but yeah, maybe it's disk bound.
[14:49:25] <Huufarted>	I'll let it go for up to another hour.  If at that point, it's still going, do you know what else I'd be skipping if I cancelled it?
[14:50:27] <Huufarted>	I didn't see a whole lot after that.  As it stands, I can view the wiki just fine.  Not sure about edits, I've got the DB in read only until the update is finished.
[14:50:49] <Duesentrieb>	the updater should *really* finish.
[14:51:07] <Huufarted>	Yeah, I know.  :(
[14:53:38] <CIA-6>	03shinjiman * r46023 10/trunk/extensions/ (Babel/Babel.i18n.php cldr/LocalNamesEn.php): Localisation updates Literary Chinese for extension messages
[14:54:10] <CIA-6>	03siebrand * r46024 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesCu.php MessagesDe.php MessagesSq.php): Localisation updates for core from Betawiki
[15:01:16] <davifer>	Hi! I'd like to know, what is the easiest way to add a tab(like the "watch" tab)? (i'm not an expert as you can see.. :) )
[15:03:15] <davifer>	A customized tab... my own tab with my own features... to give an extra yes/no check-button selection only visible for sysop, to each page
[15:03:25] <Maxsnov>	lch, try txt2tags.
[15:06:34] <b0lt>	does anyone know of a way to add a custom data field for all users?
[15:09:55] <Duesentrieb>	b0lt: what's that supposed to be?
[15:10:02] <Duesentrieb>	data field? foe what? to be shown where?
[15:19:18] <gothikon85>	hi all
[15:20:27] <gothikon85>	in my LocalSettings file I enabled uploads and image uploads, I did $wgLogo = "http://hostname/images/logo.jpg" - the page refuse to load....it's all blank
[15:20:59] <gothikon85>	can anyone please tell me what's wrong in what I did....
[15:21:20] <Simetrical>	!whitepage
[15:21:20] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "whitepage".
[15:21:23] <Simetrical>	!blank
[15:21:23] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "blank". You might try: !blankpage 
[15:21:26] <Simetrical>	!blankpage
[15:21:26] --mwbot--	A blank page usually indicates a fatal PHP error. See !error
[15:21:30] <Simetrical>	. . .
[15:21:31] <Simetrical>	Never mind.
[15:21:42] <Simetrical>	gothikon85, it's probably a syntax error.  Did you add a semicolon at the end?
[15:22:09] <gothikon85>	the image is 135x78 so is within required parameters, a semicolon at the end ? you mean close the string with ; 
[15:22:09] <b0lt>	Duesentrieb: just a key value string pair for each user
[15:22:42] <Simetrical>	gothikon85, yes.
[15:22:47] <b0lt>	like somehow adding a field to user_options in user_table
[15:23:05] <Simetrical>	gothikon85, if it continues, post the end of LocalSettings.php (any parts near what you've modified, don't include DB login info) to a pastebin.
[15:23:18] <gothikon85>	that was the mistake, thank you very much....I deserve a kick in the ***
[15:23:50] <gothikon85>	I want to work on wiki ... now at the end of program but it seems I tired....and I do stupid mistakes
[15:23:55] <Duesentrieb>	b0lt: you can put whatever you like into the user preference array. it'll get serialized into the database.
[15:30:39] <Nikerabbit>	hi Duesentrieb
[15:30:49] <Duesentrieb>	hey, what'sd up?
[15:31:03] <Nikerabbit>	umm?
[15:31:09] <Nikerabbit>	todo list?
[15:31:13] <Nikerabbit>	or the top of it
[15:33:50] <CIA-6>	03demon * r46025 10/USERINFO/ (philip sergeychernyshev thedevilonline): Set eol-style on the new userinfos.
[15:33:56] <b0lt>	Duesentrieb: sorry, i'm an idiot
[15:34:01] <b0lt>	i can't seem to find what the user preferences array is called
[15:36:04] <Duesentrieb>	b0lt: $wgUser->getOption resp $wgUser->setOption
[15:36:25] <b0lt>	ah
[15:36:26] <b0lt>	thanks
[15:36:32] <SixThreeOh>	In media wiki I've updated someone's group, but it wont save it, is there a way to tell it to flush it's cache?
[15:37:14] <Simetrical>	There is no cache of usergroups that I'm aware of.
[15:37:15] <Duesentrieb>	b0lt: i think you need to call saveSettings if you want it to be written to the db
[15:37:36] <Simetrical>	SixThreeOh, what do you mean by "I've updated someone's group"?  What steps did you take to do this
[15:37:36] <Simetrical>	?
[15:37:38] <SixThreeOh>	what about apc query/object cache?
[15:37:44] <SixThreeOh>	did it in the db
[15:37:52] <SixThreeOh>	so the obj is probably floating around somewhere
[15:38:19] <SixThreeOh>	in the user list is lists them as in the group
[15:38:24] <SixThreeOh>	but logging in and out, nope
[15:39:47] <b0lt>	Duesentrieb: thanks :)
[15:40:03] <b0lt>	that saves me a decent amount of effort
[15:40:30] <Simetrical>	SixThreeOh, if the user list lists them as being in the group, why do you think they aren't?
[15:44:21] <SixThreeOh>	because when he logs in he isn't a sysop as far as I can see
[15:44:32] <SixThreeOh>	he's not getting as many links, etc
[15:45:54] <Prodego>	SixThreeOh: ok, are there other sysops where it works
[15:46:11] <Prodego>	if so, check that you spelled sysop right
[15:46:19] <Prodego>	'sysop' exactly
[15:46:21] <Prodego>	no capitals
[15:48:03] <SixThreeOh>	it's not misspelt
[15:48:08] <SixThreeOh>	it works now
[15:48:15] <SixThreeOh>	just have to log in and out a couple of times
[15:48:24] <SixThreeOh>	something was being cached somewhere
[15:49:14] <Emufarmers>	SpecialInterwiki got de-merged from the core, right?  Why isn't the extension installed on WMF wikis?
[15:49:26] <Prodego>	user rights are not cached, for obvious reasons
[15:49:34] <Emufarmers>	Or was it never in the first place?
[15:49:42] <Simetrical>	They aren't, but the reasons aren't obvious.
[15:49:57] <SixThreeOh>	It might have been on the client side *shrugs*
[15:50:12] <SixThreeOh>	any idea why dspite being sysop it wouldn't let you edit various pages?
[15:50:23] <Simetrical>	I can't say without being able to debug it personally.
[15:51:10] <SixThreeOh>	is there an edit other user's pages permission?
[15:54:12] <SixThreeOh>	hmm apparently edit wasn't set to true for sysop or something
[15:54:14] <SixThreeOh>	it was false
[15:55:04] <SixThreeOh>	well it defaults to false from * being false
[16:00:52] <Simetrical>	By default, user pages (except CSS/JS) are not treated specially and can be edited as any other page can.
[16:01:21] <Simetrical>	With some exceptions, like blocked users being allowed to edit their talk page.
[16:01:31] <Simetrical>	I believe there's some way to allow only the user in question to edit their own userspace at all, but it requires an extension IIRC.
[16:08:39] <JonnyK>	is there any way to automatically create internal links for terms ?
[16:09:14] <matze_>	hi@all
[16:09:29] <b0lt>	how can i run the wikitext parser on a string?
[16:10:27] <BryanTM>	$wgParser->parse
[16:11:03] <b0lt>	thanks
[16:11:13] <b0lt>	sorry about the dumb questions
[16:13:16] <matze_>	ive got problem migrating an old knowloedgebase to mediawiki. can someone help me please?
[16:14:05] <Emufarmers>	matze_: What is the problem?
[16:19:33] <lch>	thanks for the suggestion, Maxsnov 
[16:20:11] <b0lt>	hmm
[16:20:47] <b0lt>	is there any way to change wikitext to the html without creating the entire page?
[16:21:06] <b0lt>	it seems like $wgParser->parse generates the entire section
[16:21:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add new global for toolbar relocation in EditPage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14491  (10lhridley)
[16:23:20] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) 'SpecialPage_initList' hook appears to be broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14494  +comment (10lhridley)
[16:23:34] <matze_>	i tried using the importTextfile.php  but some entries have no content  i've created htmlfiles from the old db also txt-files with the same result
[16:25:56] <matze_>	please can someone help me
[16:28:23] <matze_>	has someone ever used the importTextFile.php?
[16:29:08] <Wuzur|rhn>	the one who wrote it definitly *hide'n'away*
[16:30:09] <CIA-6>	03ialex * r46026 10/trunk/extensions/regexBlock/regexBlockCore.php: damn, forgot to mark it as static
[16:30:57] <matze_>	who's that?
[16:34:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add new global for toolbar relocation in EditPage - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14491  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[16:42:16] <evilx>	!category
[16:42:16] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Categories
[16:48:37] <CIA-6>	03ialex * r46027 10/trunk/extensions/OpenID/SpecialOpenID.body.php: E_STRICT
[16:55:38] <evilx>	Is there an extension or something so newline  on the text will show up as a newline and people dont need to type in like <br> ?
[16:55:49] <Simetrical>	No, probably not.
[16:55:53] <Simetrical>	It's part of the parser.
[16:56:28] <evilx>	well that sucks
[17:00:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Changelog build tool for CodeReview - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17102  (10brion)
[17:08:15] <yannf>	I have a pb with the Webstore extension
[17:08:25] <yannf>	can anyone help please?
[17:10:03] <Nikerabbit>	hi yannf
[17:10:44] <yannf>	images don't display
[17:11:03] <yannf>	i am using webstore for the proof page extension
[17:12:10] <CIA-6>	03ialex * r46028 10/trunk/extensions/SocialProfile/UserProfile/UserProfile.php: 
[17:12:10] <CIA-6>	Fix E_STRICT: Creating default object from empty value dans includes/parser/Parser.php on line 4498
[17:12:10] <CIA-6>	This is caused by the call of Parser::disableCache()
[17:14:53] <yannf>	Nikerabbit, any idea please? http://www.wikilivres.info/wiki/Page:Platon_-_Œuvres_complètes_-_Tome_IV,_1.djvu/1
[17:15:14] <Nikerabbit>	I'm not familiar with webstore
[17:15:16] <yannf>	webstore_temp_open: Error opening temporary file
[17:15:34] <yannf>	how can I get a more meaningful message?
[17:16:00] <Nikerabbit>	fix the code?
[17:16:09] <Nikerabbit>	kirjaimella_x: what about x?
[17:16:22] <yannf>	I don't know PHP enough
[17:17:00] <matze>	someone her who knows about importtextfile.php
[17:17:19] <Nikerabbit>	yannf: but you should still be able to read it
[17:17:39] <Nikerabbit>	matze: your questions are not specific enough to gain anyones attention, it seems
[17:17:46] <yannf>	I don't even know what part of the code is involved
[17:18:06] <Nikerabbit>	use grep?
[17:19:06] <matze>	i tried using importtextfile.php some entries are generatet and other ones are created without content 
[17:19:50] <lch>	can that be reproduced?
[17:20:00] <yannf>	ok this message is in 404-handler.php
[17:20:02] <evilx>	yannf, sounds like it doesnt have write access to that temp file
[17:20:15] <matze>	no =(
[17:20:33] <matze>	i dont know why that happens
[17:20:49] <yannf>	evilx, perms are drwxrwxr-x 18 www-data www-data
[17:21:13] <yannf>	for images/temp/
[17:22:03] <yannf>	isn't enough?
[17:22:55] <kirjaimella_x>	Nikerabbit, my username is X!
[17:26:27] <ialex>	yannf: does the script runs as www-data?
[17:27:22] <yannf>	the web server runs as www-data
[17:29:11] <matze>	 i tried using importtextfile.php some entries are generatet and other ones are created without content can someone help me please? 
[17:30:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add new global for toolbar relocation in EditPage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14491  (10lhridley)
[17:31:02] <Nikerabbit>	kirjaimella_x: so what is on x?
[17:31:19] <kirjaimella_x>	What's on x?
[17:31:59] <matze>	thanks for nothing =( 
[17:33:06] <matze>	i tried using importtextfile.php some entries are generatet and other ones are created without content can someone help me please? 
[17:34:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Changelog build tool for CodeReview - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17102  (10roan.kattouw)
[17:38:26] <matze>	are their any experience in datamigration using importtext.php
[17:39:48] <Wuzur|rhn>	!repeat | matze
[17:39:48] --mwbot--	matze: Please do not repeat yourself too often. If little conversation has occurred since your last message, then it is likely no one has an answer or someone who does hasn't looked in IRC yet. You risk annoying people if you incessantly repeat yourself.
[17:40:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change lang and xml:lang in no. =?UTF-8?Q?wikipedia=20from=20=E2=80=98no=E2?= =?UTF-8?Q?=80=99=20to=20=E2=80=98nb=E2=80=99?= - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12317  +comment (10kontoenmin)
[17:40:52] <matze>	okay.. thinking about using another wiki
[17:59:53] <yannf>	ialex, I don't think it's a perms issue, I have another message: "webstore_curl: Error from cURL: couldn't connect to host"
[18:00:46] <yannf>	both messages come from 404-handler.php
[18:04:32] <VasilievVV>	brion: any ETA on 1.14 release?
[18:05:27] <brion>	VasilievVV: when tim's done with it :)
[18:05:29] <brion>	should be soon
[18:24:39] <Mr-Fine>	Hello room :)
[18:25:28] <Mr-Fine>	Is there anybody good with CSS?
[18:26:45] <Mike_lifeguard>	Mr-Fine: #css
[18:28:06] <Prom_cat|4AM>	Mike_lifeguard: I like your thinking :P
[18:34:41] <Mjwalsh>	There's a new bug in the way wikibits.js numerically sorts tables.
[18:34:50] <Mr-Fine>	Prom_cat: I thnk you didnt able to hide Main page title on my wiki :)
[18:35:28] <Mjwalsh>	I've written a patch, it's only a one line diff
[18:35:46] <Mjwalsh>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17105
[18:36:07] <Mjwalsh>	I'd be grateful if someone would have a look at it.
[18:43:16] <UsamaAkkad>	[http://www.linuxac.org/forum/showthread.php?t=17878|الملكية العامة (the public domain)]
[18:43:34] <UsamaAkkad>	hello, what is the problem with the link
[18:43:56] <UsamaAkkad>	it shows up missing part of the word
[18:49:04] <Marybelle>	UsamaAkkad: Try {{urlencode: }} ?
[18:49:33] <Mr-Fine>	Usama: Hello
[18:49:44] <Mr-Fine>	Aslam o Alaikum, Kaif Halak?
[18:50:34] <UsamaAkkad>	Mr-Fine: wa alikom alsalam
[18:50:51] <UsamaAkkad>	Marybelle: how to try it ?
[18:51:22] <Mr-Fine>	KAIF halak Usama?
[18:51:35] <Marybelle>	UsamaAkkad: Do you have a link to where this is actually broken?
[18:51:55] <UsamaAkkad>	yes
[18:52:21] <UsamaAkkad>	http://ar.linux.yourwiki.net/wiki/المكتبة
[18:52:37] <UsamaAkkad>	all the links are broken
[18:53:06] <UsamaAkkad>	Mr-Fine: I good . and you
[18:53:38] <Mr-Fine>	Al hamdulliah :)
[18:53:54] <Mr-Fine>	Al hamdullillah^
[18:53:57] <Marybelle>	!cheatsheet
[18:53:57] --mwbot--	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cheatsheet
[18:54:15] <UsamaAkkad>	Mr-Fine: yes Al hamdulilah
[18:54:16] <Marybelle>	It's hard to tell if you're using the correct syntax when everything is RTL.
[18:54:57] <UsamaAkkad>	yes, can I ease that for you?
[18:55:18] <Marybelle>	Put an example link here: http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandbox ?
[18:58:29] <UsamaAkkad>	Marybelle: done
[18:59:48] <Marybelle>	UsamaAkkad: For external links, the syntax is [http://example.com Display Text Goes Here]
[19:00:14] <UsamaAkkad>	no need for pipe ?
[19:00:23] <Marybelle>	Correct.
[19:00:29] <Marybelle>	Pipes are for internal links.
[19:00:35] <UsamaAkkad>	ok :)
[19:01:02] <Marybelle>	UsamaAkkad: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cheatsheet
[19:01:09] <Marybelle>	That page has some helpful info.
[19:05:33] <UsamaAkkad>	Marybelle: thanks it works fine :)
[19:05:40] <Marybelle>	:-)
[19:12:10] <AphelionZ>	Hello, I made a parser hook which loads in a random page from a category: http://dpaste.com/111903/  However when it loads it into the parent page the page is auto categorized with whatever the random page is categorizes as. Is there a way around this?
[19:19:45] <JonnyK>	so I guess there is no way to automatically create internal links for terms ?
[19:51:11] <Nikerabbit>	svn low or is it just me?
[20:01:32] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[20:02:39] <CIA-6>	03nikerabbit * r46029 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.i18n.php: * Remove wrong qqq
[20:21:05] <CIA-6>	03nad * r46030 10/trunk/extensions/RecordAdmin/RecordAdmin_body.php: allows specification of cols to render
[20:27:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Upgrade to the latest version of GeSHi (1.0.8) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10967  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[20:28:00] <CIA-6>	03nad * r46031 10/trunk/extensions/RecordAdmin/ (RecordAdmin.i18n.php RecordAdmin_body.php): add system message for title column header
[20:29:16] <CIA-6>	03nad * r46032 10/trunk/extensions/RecordAdmin/RecordAdmin_body.php: broken tag
[20:30:09] <CIA-6>	03nad * r46033 10/trunk/extensions/RecordAdmin/RecordAdmin_body.php: recordadmin-title
[20:50:50] <CIA-6>	03raymond * r46034 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/mediawiki-defines.txt: Follow up r46031: ignore this message at Translatewiki
[20:56:58] <TylerInHiFi>	Can anybody tell me why all of this is aligning to the left instead of the infoboxes aligning to the right?
[20:56:58] <TylerInHiFi>	http://www.inhifi.com/wiki/index.php/Template:Infobox
[20:57:09] <TylerInHiFi>	Infobox template imported from wikipedia
[20:57:21] <TylerInHiFi>	I've got ParserFunctions installed and HTML Tidy turned on
[20:58:43] <Duesentrieb>	TylerInHiFi: did you also import all the css rules that apply for infoboxes?
[20:59:09] <TylerInHiFi>	Probably not
[20:59:12] <TylerInHiFi>	How do I do that?
[20:59:26] <Duesentrieb>	by copying them.
[20:59:27] <Duesentrieb>	!css
[20:59:27] --mwbot--	To change styles for your wiki, go to one of the MediaWiki:xxx.css wiki page (NOT a file) and put your custom styles there (sysop/admin rights required). MediaWiki:Common.css is for all skins and should be used for content styles. MediaWiki:Monobook.css is for the MonoBook skin (default), etc. For more information, see !skins and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skin_configuration>
[21:14:41] <AphelionZ>	Hello, I made a parser hook which loads in a random page from a category: http://dpaste.com/111903/  However when it loads it into the parent page the page is auto categorized with whatever the random page is categorizes as. Is there a way around this?
[21:14:41] <TylerInHiFi>	Still nothing
[21:14:41] <TylerInHiFi>	nevermind
[21:14:41] <TylerInHiFi>	worked
[21:14:41] <TylerInHiFi>	many thinks
[21:14:41] <TylerInHiFi>	thanks
[21:33:11] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Separate user right to view watchlist data on special pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17118 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (gtisza)
[21:35:35] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) class Parser: senseless use of non-existing regexp back reference - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17119 minor; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (email_metawiki_138)
[21:44:41] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Watchlist data should be filtered by activity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17120 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (gtisza)
[21:54:53] <RoanKattouw>	Hey gurch, you're British, right?
[21:55:14] <gurch>	RoanKattouw: yes
[21:55:39] <RoanKattouw>	And refresh my memory, are you a MW developer or do you just develop stuff that uses the API?
[21:55:59] <RoanKattouw>	(If you're the MediaWiki::API guy, feel free to slap me. I confuse all you Brits :P )
[21:56:28] <gurch>	RoanKattouw: just things that use the API
[21:56:38] <RoanKattouw>	Ah
[21:56:51] <gurch>	RoanKattouw: well, one thing. and it existed before the API did, but mostly relies on it now
[21:57:02] <RoanKattouw>	What is it again?
[21:57:07] <gurch>	RoanKattouw: Huggle
[21:57:10] <RoanKattouw>	I have a bad memory when it comes to that stuff
[21:57:12] <RoanKattouw>	Hmm
[21:57:16] *RoanKattouw 	thinks hard
[21:57:22] <gurch>	RoanKattouw: I actually know very little about MediaWiki
[21:57:45] <RoanKattouw>	Ah: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Huggle
[21:57:58] <gurch>	I have peeked into the source code now and then but it scares me :)
[21:58:18] <RoanKattouw>	gurch: Ah OK. I was gonna ask you whether you'd be interested in coming to a dev meetup in Berlin
[21:58:34] <gurch>	RoanKattouw: probably not, but thanks for asking
[21:58:43] <RoanKattouw>	Of course you're welcome (hell, anyone is), but I'm guessing it's not for you
[21:58:51] <gurch>	well I wouldn't call myself a "dev"
[21:59:01] <gurch>	I don't even know PHP
[21:59:04] <RoanKattouw>	Hmm
[21:59:10] <RoanKattouw>	That could be a hurdle, yeah :)
[21:59:14] <gurch>	I know visual basic, and how to file bugzilla requests :)
[21:59:16] <gurch>	that is all
[22:00:08] <RoanKattouw>	Anyway, there are some non-MW devs who joined up as well <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Developer_meet-up_2009#Yes.2C_I_want_to_come> but I guess they know more about PHP than you do
[22:00:49] <gurch>	RoanKattouw: yeah. Huggle was just a personal project that I released the source for and then ended up having to maintain
[22:01:05] <RoanKattouw>	hehe
[22:01:23] *gurch 	has promised to stop filing API feature requests now
[22:01:31] *RoanKattouw 	doesn't mind
[22:01:43] <RoanKattouw>	Sometimes takes me a while to get to them, that's all
[22:02:34] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Feature request: New variable: {{{REDIRECTEDFROM}}} - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17121 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Redirects; (villes01)
[22:02:38] *Laaknor 	still thinks he will file a couple of API-requests in the near future
[22:02:41] <Laaknor>	:P
[22:02:45] <gurch>	RoanKattouw: well there is still the one for "undo", which you wontfix'd and then re-reported, but I think then that's all of them :)
[22:03:01] <RoanKattouw>	gurch: Yeah that was a weird sequence of events
[22:03:06] *gurch 	slaps Laaknor
[22:03:19] <RoanKattouw>	I intend to fix that one in the next 2 weeks
[22:03:44] <gurch>	there's also user generators :)
[22:03:56] <RoanKattouw>	Laaknor: So you have time to set up a WM chapter *and* file bug requests? ;)
[22:04:11] <Laaknor>	*and* run for steward ;)
[22:04:23] <RoanKattouw>	gurch: Yeah, that's for a summer holiday or an 8-hour train journey (like to Berlin?)
[22:04:32] <RoanKattouw>	Laaknor: :P Good luck then
[22:04:39] <gurch>	RoanKattouw: I don't particularly need that though
[22:04:52] <Laaknor>	and it does happen that I program some JS-tools for Mediawiki too (hence feature-requests) :P
[22:05:03] <gurch>	RoanKattouw: but I like the fact that the bug report says "Note to others: please don't take this bug or implement it, it's something I wanna do."
[22:05:14] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Show number of unreviewed edits on Special: OldReviewedpages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17122 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (gtisza)
[22:05:14] <gurch>	RoanKattouw: always a dangerous thing to say on an open-source project :)
[22:05:19] <werdnum>	21:59 < gurch> I know visual basic, and how to file bugzilla requests :)
[22:05:20] <werdnum>	ew
[22:05:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Feature request: New variable: {{{REDIRECTEDFROM}}} - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17121  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[22:05:28] <yksinaisyyteni>	yeah, bugzilla.  eww
[22:05:36] <gurch>	werdnum: exactly
[22:05:46] <gurch>	werdnum: hardly a "dev", am I
[22:05:59] <RoanKattouw>	gurch: I know. But then I'm kind of the API boss right now, and I've had some ideas about how to do this forever
[22:06:45] <gurch>	RoanKattouw: yeah
[22:06:50] <gurch>	all hail the API boss :o
[22:07:43] <RoanKattouw>	It was also back in the day that I didn't have enough confidence in the other API devs (like Vasiliev and Bryan) yet to let them do something big like this that has quite a few design decision inherent to it. Fortunately, those times have changed (Vasiliev and Bryan's code got a lot better since back then, when they were newbies)
[22:08:06] *gurch 	has so far today been mistaken for an administrator *and* a developer
[22:08:44] <RoanKattouw>	Hmm come to think of it, I have more people to drag to Berlin. Like brion, VasilievVV and Yuri
[22:08:56] *RoanKattouw 	hopes for maximum ping efficience
[22:10:16] <brion>	:D
[22:10:51] <RoanKattouw>	brion: Know whether you'll be there yet? Or is it too soon after FOSDEM?
[22:11:01] <CIA-6>	03tparscal * r46035 10/trunk/extensions/DataCenter/ (13 files in 5 dirs): Created new widget for editing field links. Finished settings for fields.
[22:11:01] <werdnum>	RoanKattouw: when is this?
[22:11:17] <werdnum>	(Berlin)
[22:11:19] <RoanKattouw>	werdnum: Dev meetup, Berlin, April 3-6
[22:11:20] <brion>	RoanKattouw: intending to, but haven't arranged anything yet
[22:11:25] <werdnum>	oh yeah
[22:11:26] <RoanKattouw>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Developer_meet-up_2009
[22:11:27] <werdnum>	I can't go to that.
[22:11:35] <brion>	we were thinking of doing an event here in mid-march, but those two are definitely too close together :)
[22:11:37] <werdnum>	brion: we're gonna do something techy at Wikimania, right? :)
[22:11:45] <brion>	so will probably push that back or just do something small
[22:11:50] <brion>	oh hells yeah
[22:11:51] <RoanKattouw>	Right, Wikimania...
[22:11:54] <werdnum>	yay!
[22:12:01] <werdnum>	I might make one of three dev meetups for the year.
[22:12:05] *RoanKattouw 	curses the location of WM 2009
[22:12:18] <werdnum>	RoanKattouw: but it's so cheap to get to
[22:12:23] <werdnum>	$800 USD return from London.
[22:12:25] <werdnum>	srsly.
[22:12:27] <RoanKattouw>	Holy hell
[22:12:42] *RoanKattouw 	looks up ticket prices from Amsterdam
[22:12:58] *gurch 	will gatecrash the dev meetup if you ever have one in York
[22:13:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) class Parser: senseless use of non-existing regexp back reference - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17119  (10email_metawiki_138)
[22:13:34] <RoanKattouw>	Oh of course, it's winter over there in July
[22:13:36] <CIA-6>	03tparscal * r46036 10/trunk/extensions/DataCenter/ (DataCenter.i18n.php Views/Settings.php): Added a message on the settings page.
[22:13:38] <RoanKattouw>	That's a big relief
[22:14:02] <RoanKattouw>	Pff EUR 968 from Amsterdam
[22:14:29] <RoanKattouw>	I'd be cheaper off traveling to London by train and taking a plane there ^^
[22:14:41] <werdnum>	looks like $800 was not including taxes and fees
[22:14:50] <werdnum>	including those, more like $1035 USD
[22:14:52] <RoanKattouw>	Says EUR 833 here
[22:14:58] <RoanKattouw>	That's a lot more that 800 bucks
[22:15:14] <RoanKattouw>	It's also a hell of a lot of money for a poor student like me
[22:15:25] *gurch 	has a travel budget of about £5 :)
[22:15:50] <RoanKattouw>	Which is worth less and less over time :P
[22:16:05] <RoanKattouw>	(with the GBP rates dropping and stuff)
[22:16:09] <werdnum>	whee
[22:16:31] <CIA-6>	03tparscal * r46037 10/trunk/extensions/DataCenter/Views/Settings/Field.php: Improved UI when adding a field.
[22:16:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) class Parser: senseless use of non-existing regexp back reference - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17119  (10email_metawiki_138)
[22:17:12] <RoanKattouw>	Anyway I think I'll make Berlin, I've got free train travel in NL (one of the benefits of being a student) and the Deutsche Bahn has some kind of super discount which reduces a return ticket to Berlin from 174 to 58 euros
[22:17:14] <werdnum>	brion: does memcached's incr work when the field isn't set (just incr to zero?)
[22:17:33] <werdnum>	erm, to one.
[22:17:50] *werdnum 	is trying to clean up some of the hideous statistics code in the Abuse Filter.
[22:18:07] <werdnum>	I've so far refactored one 'filterAction' function into at least four new ones.
[22:18:27] <RoanKattouw>	So I guess I'll wait till WM 2010, which will probably be closer to home
[22:18:36] <werdnum>	Unless it's in Australia.
[22:18:43] <Dantman>	Heh... I think seting up this new network is going to be fun
[22:18:45] <brion>	i don't recall
[22:18:46] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah well let's forget about that
[22:19:02] <werdnum>	brion: you mean I have to... find out myself?
[22:19:14] <brion>	*gasp*
[22:19:16] <Dantman|Work>	^_^ DHCP, Firewall, Kerberos, a VPN
[22:19:19] *werdnum 	cries a little inside.
[22:19:21] <RoanKattouw>	If it's in Amsterdam, Oxford or Gdansk I'll be able to reasonably get there
[22:20:05] <werdnum>	"Memcache::increment() does not  create an item if it didn't exist. "
[22:20:07] <werdnum>	damn.
[22:37:51] <CIA-6>	03tparscal * r46038 10/trunk/extensions/DataCenter/ (11 files in 6 dirs): Added additional confirmation requirements to removals. Fixed some UI issues with removal pages. Removed notes from native model rows. Added notes to all components as meta fields.
[22:58:10] <s3sebastian>	hi, is it possible, that a anonymous users can edit all user pages, but not the articles? I tried it with $wgWhitelistEdit but I didn't know what to write in the array as a wildcard for all user: sites
[22:58:58] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgNamespaceProtection
[23:03:05] <aglio2>	which setting controls permitted upload file types?
[23:05:37] <CIA-6>	03shinjiman * r46039 10/trunk/extensions/Babel/Babel.i18n.php: Localisation updates Literary Chinese for extension messages
[23:06:08] <OverlordQ>	!filetype
[23:06:08] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgFileExtensions
[23:11:15] <CIA-6>	03werdna * r46040 10/branches/change-tagging/extensions/AbuseFilter/AbuseFilter.class.php: 
[23:11:15] <CIA-6>	MAJOR refactoring of AbuseFilter class, including fixing a few bugs which I don't remember right now.
[23:11:15] <CIA-6>	Mostly, a general cleanup of some code that was written in a really ugly way, and splitting of huge methods into five or six functions to make a much more logical flow.
[23:28:36] <CIA-6>	03tparscal * r46041 10/trunk/extensions/DataCenter/Views/Plans/ (Object.php Rack.php): Added location information to rows of objects and racks when selecting to attach to plan.
[23:31:34] <CIA-6>	03danny_b * r46042 10/trunk/phase3/ (8 files in 5 dirs): * Added optional alternative Search form look - Go button & Advanced search link instead of Go button & Search button
[23:38:46] <CIA-6>	03tparscal * r46043 10/trunk/extensions/DataCenter/DataCenter.db.php: Fixed query to support table prefixes.
[23:38:55] <Dr_DBW>	I have read about the image linking feature that is coming up in 1.14.  Now that will be neat :-)  Wondering, will the gallery tag also include that funcationality?  So you can link an image to an article within a gallery?
[23:39:38] <CIA-6>	03yaron * r46044 10/trunk/extensions/ReplaceText/ReplaceText.i18n.php: Added 'replacetext_savemovedpages' value
[23:40:34] <CIA-6>	03yaron * r46045 10/trunk/extensions/ReplaceText/SpecialReplaceText.php: Added checkbox for setting whether page moves should result in a redirect
[23:41:06] <CIA-6>	03yaron * r46046 10/trunk/extensions/ReplaceText/ReplaceTextJob.php: Added handling for new 'create-redirect' parameter
[23:41:26] <CIA-6>	03yaron * r46047 10/trunk/extensions/ReplaceText/ (README ReplaceText.php): New version, 0.4
[23:44:17] <CIA-6>	03tparscal * r46048 10/trunk/extensions/DataCenter/Views/Assets.php: Fixed some UI bugs in asset deployment.
[23:44:53] <Splarka>	Dr_DBW: that'd be silly, the function of a gallery is to show a padded and captioned table of thumbnails linking to bigger versions of the thumbnails
[23:46:17] <Dr_DBW>	Yeah, but we have an image identification key, that something like that would be perfect for :-)  Will be able to do via the image linking feature, but if enabled in gallery, would make it easier, neater etc.
[23:51:16] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special page aliases should be overridable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17123 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (danny.b)