[00:00:48] can someone quickly help me with this last problem i'm having ... i've gotten out every bug except one: when king and queen exist and when monarch-raw does not exist - '''Monarch2''' shows up in the following code [00:00:52] {{#ifeq:{{{king|}}}|{{{queen|}}} [00:00:52] | [00:00:53] {{#if:{{{monarch-raw|}}} [00:00:53] | [00:00:53] {{!-}} [00:00:54] {{!}}'''Monarch1'''{{!}}{{!}} [00:00:56] }} [00:00:58] | [00:01:00] {{!-}} [00:01:02] {{!}}'''Monarch2'''{{!}}{{!}} [00:01:04] }} [00:01:09] sorry - i thought since it was small that would paste better ... i forgot to take out the returns [00:02:14] anyone have any idea why? I think it's because i'm using ifeq wrong [00:03:22] is anyone here? [00:04:43] !ask [00:04:43] --mwbot-- Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC. [00:06:18] thanks for the help werdnum [00:06:48] ... i'll wait for a non-jackass to answer [00:07:35] I'm not being a 'jackass', and calling people names is likely to make people think twice about helping you. [00:09:07] well pretentiousness is likely to get you called a jackass [00:10:02] I won't argue the point. [00:10:57] well, let me see [00:11:03] oh - for the people familiar with wiki parsers: I've narrowed down the problem: i want the following code to read that if king and queen both exist or both don't exist, 1 should be returned; if one exists and the other doesn't, 2 should be returned. However, when i tried this code out, when king and queen both existed, 2 was returned: [00:11:27] 03(WONTFIX) Show number of unreviewed edits on Special:OldReviewedpages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17122 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [00:11:49] well you code is wrong if you want both king and queen to exist, unless whether or not the exist is based on putting 'yes' in the field for both [00:11:52] sorry Daedalus969: don't read the entire code way up there - just what's directly above - the entire code way up there is a waste of time - it's formatted badly and it's excessively comlicated [00:12:06] {{#ifeq:{{{king|}}}|{{{queen|}}} [00:12:22] what is filled in for those parameters? [00:12:27] ... what would i do if i wanted to TEST whether they both exist [00:12:32] for my test, blah1 and blah2 [00:12:38] okay, [00:12:48] then it would always turn out false [00:12:54] i thought testing values wouldn't have the "|" after the names (like {{{king}}} instead of {{{king|}}} [00:13:05] no [00:13:18] the only thing that does, [00:14:06] is mean that, if a parameter is inserted, then {{{king}}} is replaced with said parameter, but if a parameter doesn't exist, then it is just {{{king}}} versus nothing at all [00:14:31] {{{parameter|}}} means that if no parameter exists, then it gets replaced with nothing [00:14:56] while {{{parameter|option}}} if no parameter exist, then it gets replaced with 'option' [00:15:04] *exists [00:15:14] #ifeq asks if two strings are the same [00:15:23] oh ok - so i have to do a rather long #if statement - embedded in another #if statement .... to test if two strings simple exist [00:15:36] or you can use a switch [00:16:07] 03aaron * r46112 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/specialpages/ (OldReviewedPages_body.php UnreviewedPages_body.php): Improve watchlist data [00:16:15] would you mind showing me and example of that? i've never used it [00:16:23] a switch takes the starting value and compares it two several other values, and, if any of those values equals the starting value, then it does an action in regards to that value, if not, then it does the default action [00:16:32] okay, [00:17:59] {{#switch: {{{field|}}} | test=action 1 | test2=action 2 | test3=action 3 | default=action 4 }} [00:18:28] your current if eq works like such: [00:19:00] {{#ifeq:string|string|true|false}} comes out as true [00:19:15] {{#ifeq:string|foo|true|false}} comes out as false [00:19:29] hense, [00:19:35] oh so a combo of #switch and #if (where the #if returns 1 if the variables exist ) will allow me to do what we had said? [00:19:58] depends, what is your goal? [00:20:29] for instance, [00:21:05] if you want if to return true if something exists, then you must do {{#if:{{{variable|}}}|true|fase}} [00:21:47] as {{{variable}}} will always return {{{variable}}}, and therefore, if you ask if a variable exists, it will come out as true, as something currently occupies that space [00:22:18] as {{#if:|true|false}} will always return false [00:22:43] oh i thnk i get what you're saying - i'm writing a little test now ... but what if multiple cases are true ... will switch just return the first case that is true [00:24:11] I don't know that much about switch, I would advise you check the maunal on parser functions, or ask someone else, as I've only dealt in a 'one case is true' fashion [00:24:17] in terms of switches [00:31:51] 03aaron * r46113 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/specialpages/ (14 files): [00:31:51] * Tweak "users watching" cond [00:31:51] * Style/whitespace tweaks [00:36:39] alright ... i upgraded to version 1.13.3... now i'm getting a new error for the GeSHi syntax highlighting: it seems to be searching wikiroot/extensions/SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi/geshi/geshi instead of just /geshi (once) [00:37:00] not sure where that is set or why it would look there despite following directions exactly [00:56:03] Are there any templates for help pages available, or do we have to create those our selves? [01:03:17] 03(NEW) IPv4 addresses do not sort within sortable tables. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17141 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (david.potter) [01:05:58] he hasn't added a patch, btw :P [01:06:05] 03(mod) IPv4 addresses do not sort within sortable tables. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17141 (10david.potter) [01:09:08] 03(mod) Link with action=edit&redlink= 1 leading to existing page should redirect to plain view - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15242 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [01:17:42] 14(INVALID) Border on monobook is black and incomplete - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15997 +comment (10mikelifeguard) [01:20:32] 03nad * r46114 10/trunk/extensions/RecordAdmin/RecordAdmin_body.php: implement orderby parameter [01:26:59] 03nad * r46115 10/trunk/extensions/RecordAdmin/ (RecordAdmin.php RecordAdmin_body.php): update version number and tidy up [01:40:47] why does mediawiki do that annoying ? thing after missing links now .-. [01:41:26] 03(mod) IPv4 addresses do not sort within sortable tables. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17141 +comment (10david.potter) [01:42:01] chuck: change it in your prefernces [01:42:32] it's not enabled, though .-. [01:42:55] oh wait [01:43:05] p858snake: why is it like that by default? that's really annoying [01:43:12] its not afaik' [01:43:33] chuck: maybe you hit the box to change it by accident recently... [01:43:35] *chuck wonders how the heck it got enabled on his user [01:43:44] or you got compromised...1 or the other [01:43:44] FunPika: i've never used that preference page, though :< [01:43:57] i'll checkuser myself [01:43:59] its TimStarling playing mind tricks on you via the bd >.> [01:44:32] *db [01:44:44] chuck: cu won't work unless someone actually edited as you [01:44:58] FunPika: ugh, that sucks [01:45:00] merely logging in and messing with your prefs won't show [01:45:10] *coughapacheaccesslogscough* [01:45:57] 03(mod) IPv4 addresses do not sort within sortable tables. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17141 +patch (10matthew.britton) [01:47:31] chuck: just create a new account [01:47:35] and see what the default is [01:56:58] hi all [01:57:05] need some quick help with some infobox stuff [01:58:03] I am unable to get svg files to work with batik and rsvg can anyone aid me here? I have followed all the instructions http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Image_Administration#SVG [01:58:19] antitab: what kind of help? [01:58:55] I have an infobox for media formats [01:59:24] in the case of video, there is a transform type [01:59:26] DCT, wavelet, etc [01:59:30] but not so much in audio [01:59:53] basically, how do I do an if(!audio) in the infobox [02:00:09] no idea, sorry [02:06:15] Hey guys, I have been trying to get Dokuwiki (what I have been using) and a few others to do LDAP auth against our corp ad network and nothing worked well. Dokuwiki's implementation has a bug with groups etc... This afternoon I whipped up a vm with CentOS and setup mw and it worked perfectly first shot . Is there no way to use AD groups to block read access to certain areas? We need an IT/Accnting/Production/etc section with [02:06:16] only certain users allowed to read those sections? [02:06:17] I am unable to get svg files to work with batik and rsvg can anyone aid me here? I have followed all the instructions http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Image_Administration#SVG [02:07:04] !access | Ritmo2k [02:07:04] --mwbot-- Ritmo2k: For information on customizing user access, see . For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see . [02:07:11] no, that's not it... [02:07:13] !secret [02:07:13] --mwbot-- MediaWiki was not designed with read-restrictions in mind, and may not provide air-tight protection against unauthorized access. We will not be held responsible should private information, such as a password or bank details, be leaked, leading to loss of funds or one's job. [02:07:19] no... [02:08:11] ahh, Ritmo2k [02:08:20] the first one - Manual:Preventing access [02:08:47] but keep in mind that MW is not a CMS and is not designed to do what you want it to [02:09:06] I was reading and got confused by notes [02:09:22] I understood out of the box, it doesnt protect [02:09:39] Yeah, but even the extensions are not perfect. [02:10:32] ok, so theoretically I can say through LDAP, this ldap group "MediaWikiIT" only can read this area? [02:10:35] why is getting svg to work properly so hard? I just can't get it to upload. [02:19:03] Can anyone help me getting svg images uploaded onto my wiki? [02:21:29] ok, so $wgNamespaceProtection can be a method by which I segment the wiki... What happens on a search? Does that adhere to perms? [02:21:44] You can't use it to enforce read restrictions. [02:21:50] !secrets [02:21:50] --mwbot-- MediaWiki was not designed with read-restrictions in mind, and may not provide air-tight protection against unauthorized access. We will not be held responsible should private information, such as a password or bank details, be leaked, leading to loss of funds or one's job. [02:21:53] !readonly [02:21:53] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgReadOnly [02:21:55] oops [02:21:58] !readrestrictions [02:21:58] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "readrestrictions". [02:22:48] Really, if you want to have separate areas which only certain people can read, it's probably more sensible to use another CMS, or to have separate wikis. [02:25:32] Well, when I was first looking for a LAMP based wiki, I read the blurb about using another wiki and moved on. Problem is, *every* ldap implementation for AD auth is brooken in some way or the wiki is plain nasty :) mw is clean, like dokuwiki. Do you know of a cms that has a working ldap backend? [02:26:12] joolma or however its spelt [02:26:40] or sharepoint if you willing to spend monies and use a microsoft based server [02:27:12] Well, the problem isn't MediaWiki's LDAP backend, which works fine. [02:27:22] The problem is that MediaWiki is not designed with read restrictions in mind. [02:27:22] bah, sharepoint is nasty (even the wiki template) [02:27:43] There are extensions, but they haven't been tested by any of our core developers, and have previously had security leaks. [02:27:49] Yeah I know, its ldap backend worked flawless the first time I started it! [02:27:50] *werdnum heads out to dinner. [02:27:53] !worstcase [02:27:53] --mwbot-- Generally, the worst that can happen is that someone compromises your site, steals your data, deletes it and replaces it with kiddy porn. Then they start a spam service on your server advertizing the kiddy porn to twenty million email addresses, daily. Then your home gets raided, you get fired and your wife leaves you. [02:28:02] Prodego: You had to do it. [02:28:07] yes, yes I did [02:28:08] xD [02:28:29] *krimpet picks out the misspellings and gender assumptions. [02:29:11] advertizing << what a disgrace [02:29:19] lol [02:29:53] "s" ftw, "z" ftl [02:30:34] !bestcase | Prodego [02:30:34] --mwbot-- Prodego: You create a wiki as popular as Wikipedia, with an Adsense clickthrough rate above 99%. And you get laid. [02:31:06] @mediumist case [02:31:13] nope [02:31:26] I've been trying to upload svg files to my wiki and i keep getting the error "The file is corrupt or has an incorrect extension. Please check the file and upload again." even though I have modified the allowed file extentions in localsettings. [02:31:56] !mediumist case is You create wiki that isn't very popular, with an Adsense clickthrough rate of about 0.0009%. And, your wife leaves you (Sorry, it had to happen...) [02:31:56] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "mediumist". [02:32:02] .-. [02:32:04] @trusted [02:32:04] --mwbot-- [s23.org, wikia/.*, cc1081997-b.harli1.fr.home.nl, .*\.wikimedia\.org, wikipedia/.*, 222-153-0-95.jetstream.xtra.co.nz, .*\.flyingparchment\.org\.uk, sm.xs4all.nl, wikimedia/.*, silentflame/member/pdpc.base.minuteelectron, cpe-69-201-152-135.nyc.res.rr.com, rbak-164-107-218-33\.resnet\.ohio-state\.edu, unaffiliated/smaug, pdpc/supporter/student/werdnum, cc1269927-a.harli1.fr.home.nl, c-67-171-249-42.hsd1.wa.comcast.net, 217.121.122.151] [02:32:08] haooooi:) [02:32:18] chuck: #mwbot kthx [02:32:25] oo [02:32:30] Splarka: who runs mwbot? [02:32:34] amidaniel? [02:32:35] ... don't spam this channel experimenting [02:32:41] amidaniel [02:33:07] Simetrical: by the way, the problem is more or less fixes now [02:33:09] *fixed [02:33:21] *Hardolaf wonders if anyone will ever respond to him [02:33:31] we swept it under the rug by removing all of our profiling settings completely [02:33:46] Hardolaf: hmm [02:34:00] Hardolaf: are you sure it's svg? [02:34:08] chuck: yes i'm sure it is svg [02:34:10] that error message looks like it thinks that the image is something other than svg [02:35:59] chuck: could it be that when i saved image as it somehow converted it? [02:36:53] possibly [02:36:55] are you on linux? [02:37:19] chuck: yes openSUSE11.1 [02:37:32] you could try running a "file nameOfImage.svg" [02:37:37] in your terminal [02:37:51] all right will do [02:38:39] yeah it did save it as a png :( [02:38:58] is there any way to download it as a svg, from the mediawiki site [02:39:55] umm... [02:39:59] hmm [02:40:00] the on a file description page is the png. but the around that is to the svg [02:40:13] (although your browser might be converting it?) [02:40:14] Tim-away? [02:40:30] Splarka: that's what I am thinking [02:40:49] yeah if you click it, the svg should come up [02:41:37] and it won't let me save it :( [02:42:12] how do i force it to download something? [02:42:16] try going to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/File:SitemapsPriorities.svg and right click the link at the bottom: [02:42:17] SitemapsPriorities.svg? (SVG file, nominally 744 � 640 pixels, file size: 15 KB) [02:42:24] and try 'save link as' [02:42:42] and be sure to "save as type" svg document [02:42:58] or whatever your browser suggests, that isn't png/raster [02:43:23] YES! it worked! [02:43:27] thanks splarka [02:44:25] now why do the help pages look like http://hardolaf.no-ip.org/wiki/index.php5/Help:Contents they are the ones from http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Copying [02:46:01] do you have parser functions installed? [02:46:34] yeah. [02:48:54] whatsamatta with them? no styles? you might copy Common.css [02:49:12] fixed it for you [02:49:26] some of the carrots got stripped from around the noinculdes and such [02:49:42] mmm, carrots [02:49:55] *carrot brackets [02:50:10] it still has some problems at the bottom of the page. [02:50:58] strangely that is exactly what I imported from the mediawiki site. [02:51:37] why does it loop? [02:53:14] hang on, alot of stuff is stripped from that page [02:53:31] really? [02:57:56] p858snake, I really appreciate this. [03:02:03] heh, new SuperBlackberry, we can make it faster, stronger, encrypted... -love, The NSA [03:03:48] Hardolaf: can you add http://pastebin.com/m2c1ec01e to your [[Mediawiki:Common.css]] page please [03:05:05] the page is called Mediawiki:Common.css ? [03:05:24] yes [03:05:56] done [03:07:19] thank you. [03:09:02] i've done as much as i can so you will need to ask someone else [03:09:49] it looks much nicer, everything left is getting the pictures which i just have to upload. Thanks a ton. [03:27:25] 03charlie * r46116 10/trunk/extensions/SharedUserRights/SharedUserRights.alias.php: Added a Special:GlobalUserRights alias per Steve Crossin's suggestion. Thanks! [03:44:15] on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SocialProfile#Installation it says to run the script install.php from the command line, how do i do that? [03:44:39] Hardolaf: can you get a command line? [03:44:44] yes. [03:45:00] *Hardolaf has tried everything he knows and can't figure it out [03:45:07] you'd cd to that directory and run php install.php [03:47:25] thanks [04:00:57] how do you make line breaks in a topic? [04:03:05] no idea [04:05:41] Hardolaf: of a channel? [04:06:24] *Hardolaf made no sense. [04:06:48] the equivalent of an enter in a page on the wiki [04:07:25] two linefeeds is a new paragraph (

block) [04:07:39] or you can use
inside a

or other block element [04:11:27] thanks [04:34:46] 14(WFM) bad xhtml formation in page rendering when updating a image - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9095 +comment (10innocentkiller) [04:35:51] I'm installing this: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MultiUpload where do I put this, in the local settings: require_once("$IP/extensions/MultiUpload/SpecialMultipleUpload.php"); [04:35:57] at the end [04:37:13] werdnum: I put it at the end and the wiki died [04:37:41] well, what did it say? [04:38:44] it just dies the page becomes blank [04:40:03] http://rafb.net/p/taGKkP89.html [04:41:00] Missing the semi-colon at the end? [04:41:28] aiml: I miss pasted it's there though :S [04:49:55] I'm a bureaucrat for a Mediawiki 1.4.9 (Yeah, I know, upgrade...but it ain't that easy), and I need to make a change in the Navigation Bar. I've read the online docs, but using the Mediawiki:Sidebar method does not work. I've made changes a long time ago and it seemed like it was similar, but I'm wondering if the sidebar has changed. Can anyone tell me the way to make the edit? [04:50:18] you really want to upgrade [04:50:59] I think I said that. It's not MY wiki though, so right now that's not an option. [04:51:53] NonyMouse: it /is/ easy if you have the right access :) [04:52:13] OH, and I tried the url method too...same results, a blank edit page [04:52:37] THAT is the problem...the right access...and I don't have that ability right now. [04:52:52] what do you mean "the url method" [04:52:55] what are you trying to do? [04:53:04] by typing in the url for the page [04:53:28] I need to edit the side(navigation) bar at the left side of the wiki pages [04:53:33] you mean for MediaWiki:Sidebar? [04:53:38] Right [04:54:02] I don't think it should be blank :\ [04:54:09] *Splarka hopes that feature didn't exist that far back [04:54:14] I know that it shouldn't [04:54:21] It did exist that far back [04:54:34] but might have been named something different [04:54:43] I doubt it [04:54:52] doubt what? [04:55:08] that it would have changed names [04:55:25] That's what I had thought too...until I tried it and it didn't work [04:55:28] try going to Special:AllMessages and CTRL+F for Sidebar [04:56:16] Just tried it...nada [04:56:52] That list doesn't show any sidebar, navbar, or anything similar...checked there first. [04:57:20] how do you know the feature existed that far back [04:57:20] ? [04:58:32] because I used it before to change the navigation bar...of course, since I'm a programmer, who woulda thunk I should have documented it...I figured it would stay in the online documentation and when I needed it again, it would be there. Who wudda thunk? [04:59:18] so... editing the page has /no effect/ or...? [05:00:19] No, when I try: http://url/wiki/MediaWiki:Sidebar an empty page shows up in edit mode [05:00:38] there should be the navigation bar contents displayed in wikimarkup [05:00:42] well try putting something correct there [05:01:41] NonyMouse: technically wouldn't the entire web address be the URL? [05:02:56] http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Manual:Interface/Sidebar&oldid=52878 [05:03:02] Looks like it was added in 1.5 [05:03:31] Yes, Hardolaf [05:06:56] 03(FIXED) Do not restrict FlaggedRevs special pages like UnreviewedPages and OldReviewedPages to editors /reviewers, make them public - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17118 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [05:18:19] Anyone else have any ideas? I am pretty sure that making the mod's involved a wiki page edit that last time I did it. I doubt very seriously that I did any hardcoding because I still have the same access that i had then. [05:19:18] http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/languages/Language.php?r1=9177&r2=9176&pathrev=9177 [05:19:52] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Customization:Quickbar ? [05:23:14] okay, r6449 branched 1.4, and r9177 created a customizable MediaWiki:Sidebar [05:25:16] before r9177 it was MediaWiki:Navbar [05:28:24] but that was added in http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=9150 well before the 1.4 branch [05:28:34] 03aaron * r46117 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Add link to css/js subpage in preferences [05:31:01] http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/branches/REL1_4/phase3/languages/Language.php?view=log and it doesn't seem to have been backported (features almost never get backported) [05:33:27] Yeah, you're right there. Seems strange though. I know I have senior moments, but some things I remember pretty well, and I remember using the asterisks to do the navigation unordered list and thinking that that was pretty cool. [05:33:57] *Splarka still looking but not having much luck [05:34:17] they used cvs before svn, and often did sequential fragmented commits [05:35:15] it looks like the list was contained in $wgNavigationLinks [05:35:20] Well, at this point, I guess the best use of time is to simply have the box ownere upgrade to the latest version to make life easier. We need to add in some plugin's anyway, and this is a good enough excuse to put some pressure on the powers that be to make the time to upgrade. [05:36:11] *Splarka checks the annotate on that [05:36:26] ahh, added in 5528 [05:36:39] NonyMouse: $wgNavigationLinks in your LocalSettings.php should be the edit point [05:37:44] 03aaron * r46118 10/trunk/phase3/includes/EditPage.php: code style tweaks [05:37:54] 03(mod) Bots should be able to set whether their edit should be marked as a bot edit . - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12574 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [05:38:46] OK, Thanks Splarka...it's looking more and more like upgrade is the best course of action. [05:40:51] 03(FIXED) Bots should be able to set whether their edit should be marked as a bot edit . - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12574 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [05:41:08] Thanks to you too, aiml! [05:46:06] 03(WONTFIX) Read restriction support - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12251 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [05:46:17] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar#Ancient_version_of_MediaWiki [06:02:01] 03aaron * r46119 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialBlockip.php: (bug 14423) Check flag validity for logging [06:02:09] 03(FIXED) Parameters are not checked for plausibility before log entry is generated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14423 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [06:27:30] 03aaron * r46120 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/specialpages/RatingHistory_body.php: Cache vote tally table [06:28:15] *Marybelle pingles Splarka. [06:29:18] I don't understand https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12251#c3 [06:29:55] *Splarka looks [06:29:56] Marybelle: read restrictions will not be supported [06:30:13] Marybelle: Generally speaking, it's far too much work to try. [06:30:27] And so we don't currently have any plans to accept any such functionality. [06:30:35] Who is 'we'? [06:30:43] and it is almost impossible to do it correctly [06:30:44] we = core [06:30:45] The development team in general. [06:30:52] UserCan = hook = usable in extension [06:30:54] Are there comments on this? [06:30:59] hookable [06:31:07] Marybelle: There was something in the mailing list a few months ago [06:31:15] *Splarka reclarifies: 'at your own risk though' => in extensions [06:31:25] werdnum: what is the wikipedia usability project? [06:31:29] werdnum: what is in !readrestrictions? [06:31:34] is it* [06:31:34] I mean, they've implemented some rudimentary read access restrictions. [06:31:43] Fixing those would be good. [06:31:50] s/Fixing/Enchancing [06:31:55] they can't really be fixed [06:31:56] Enhancing, too. [06:31:57] better [06:32:30] *Splarka goes back to Jethro Tull [06:34:16] !read restrictions [06:34:16] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "read". You might try: !#mediawiki !analytics !ask !cms !credit !imagemagic !lockdown !memcached !phpshell !readonly !rtfm !secrets !session !subst !threads [06:34:22] !read [06:34:22] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "read". You might try: !#mediawiki !analytics !ask !cms !credit !imagemagic !lockdown !memcached !phpshell !readonly !rtfm !secrets !session !subst !threads [06:34:28] oh what is it.... [06:34:29] !botnoob | Prodego [06:34:29] --mwbot-- Prodego: I don't know everything about everything. I am mostly for lazy experienced users to echo quick answers to very common mediawiki questions. Please don't randomly experiment with me for help. Everything I know is at http://tools.wikimedia.de/~amidaniel/botbrain.html and you can visit #mwbot or privately message me. [06:34:30] !botnoob [06:34:30] --mwbot-- I don't know everything about everything. I am mostly for lazy experienced users to echo quick answers to very common mediawiki questions. Please don't randomly experiment with me for help. Everything I know is at http://tools.wikimedia.de/~amidaniel/botbrain.html and you can visit #mwbot or privately message me. [06:34:36] !secrets [06:34:36] --mwbot-- MediaWiki was not designed with read-restrictions in mind, and may not provide air-tight protection against unauthorized access. We will not be held responsible should private information, such as a password or bank details, be leaked, leading to loss of funds or one's job. [06:34:45] !ohmygodflood [06:34:45] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "ohmygodflood". [06:34:46] MrZ-man: better [06:34:52] !prevaccess [06:34:52] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "prevaccess". [06:34:53] !worstcase [06:34:53] --mwbot-- Generally, the worst that can happen is that someone compromises your site, steals your data, deletes it and replaces it with kiddy porn. Then they start a spam service on your server advertizing the kiddy porn to twenty million email addresses, daily. Then your home gets raided, you get fired and your wife leaves you. [06:34:56] Marybelle: We don't have any time to review existing read restrictions [06:35:04] !chanspam [06:35:04] --mwbot-- You can actually privmsg me too, you know. Also see #mwbot [06:35:07] srsly, stop messing with the bot. [06:35:34] werdnum: There's also no time to fix image moving, implement the AbuseFilter, fix the fucked up tables, etc. That doesn't you WONTFIX every bug. [06:35:52] Marybelle: But these are things we're actually interested in working on. [06:35:57] Read restrictions aren't. [06:36:03] AbuseFilter is going live on testwiki next week. [06:36:06] those also didn't go against the very core precepts of MediaWiki, which include "this isn't a CMS" [06:36:16] !messing with the bot [06:36:16] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "messing". [06:36:19] quoth the Brion, anyway. [06:36:20] next week? thought it was this week [06:36:21] *werdnum stabs krimpet [06:36:27] Splarka: was supposed to be today, but we ran out of thyme. [06:36:30] Splarka: s/week/month >_> [06:36:33] mmm [06:36:34] Brion reviewed a lot of it, anyway. [06:36:38] *Splarka adds cumin [06:37:15] still smells fishy, I remember a good fillet of sole once that ued a lot... [06:37:24] of all the soles I'd tasted, his had the most.... cumin [06:37:27] Splarka: The software is gradually turning into a CMS. [06:37:54] WONTFIXing some bugs while implementing others is half-assed. (Surprising for MediaWiki, I know.) [06:38:10] Marybelle: Generally speaking, if read-restrictions were developed for MediaWiki core, there would not be enough time to review them. [06:38:17] That's just the reality of it. [06:38:31] So you have hooks, no? [06:38:35] For extensions? [06:38:45] Well, it could be done as an extension, of course. [06:38:58] And it has been done as an extension. [06:39:13] You should open specific bugs against those extensions for any specific problems you have. [06:39:14] Isn't that hook about extension capability? [06:39:51] Fact: WMF has need of read restrictions. Fact: WMF can run hundreds of wikis at once. Fact: the only read restrictions supported and stress-tested are per-wiki. Arguable Fact: MW devs develope mediawiki primarily with the interests of the WMF. Opinion: that is how it is, the losers who can only afford one wiki instance can use extensions. [06:39:53] Which hook? [06:40:36] werdnum: userCanRead [06:40:52] I don't think that's a hook. [06:40:55] hi guillom [06:40:57] WMF doesn't really need per-page restrictions [06:41:05] werdnum: We're discussing https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12251#c3 [06:41:07] *read restrctions [06:41:28] MrZ-man: We're pretty close to per-page write restrictions. [06:41:30] hi andrew [06:41:36] 03aaron * r46121 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/specialpages/ (RatingHistory_body.php ReaderFeedback_body.php): Cache tweaks and fixes [06:41:38] the only use I can think of is the non-public board resolutions on the foundation site [06:41:43] Marybelle: protection? [06:41:47] Yes. [06:42:03] we're close? we've had that for a while I think [06:42:05] where will the DataCenter extension be run? [06:42:17] MrZ-man: To block specific users from specific articles? [06:42:23] ah, that [06:42:33] Marybelle: that bug is about adding a protection option for reading. [06:42:40] chuck: it's running on wikitech. [06:42:44] Which we're against? [06:42:45] it was done, but then reverted [06:42:53] MrZ-man: Thus the "close." [06:43:15] Marybelle: We're not sure if it will work properly. [06:43:27] So WONTFIX is the right answer? [06:43:27] 03aaron * r46122 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/specialpages/RatingHistory_body.php: Fix doc typo [06:43:41] Aaron has an awful habit of WONTFIXing bugs that shouldn't be. :-/ [06:44:28] Marybelle: We're not currently interested in implementing read restrictions in MediaWiki core. [06:44:47] So close it as LATER. Or just leave it alone. [06:44:49] 03(NEW) Different results from OpenSearch in JSON and XML formats - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17142 trivial; normal; MediaWiki: API; (ben.rimmington) [06:44:59] But there's absolutely no reason to close as WONTFIX. [06:45:05] Well, you're welcome to change the resolution. [06:45:12] But I don't think it makes a jot of difference. [06:45:16] except in the cases where things WONT be FIX [06:45:24] Honestly, in either case, the functionality will not be put into core. [06:45:28] *Splarka thinks MZM hates the lack of apostrophe [06:45:32] The resolution of a bug is purely academic. [06:45:38] WONTFIX == it will never ever be implemented, per both Brion and Tim. [06:45:43] This isn't a case like that. [06:45:52] I dunno. People looking for functionality like that might be better off with another piece of software. [06:46:14] krimpet: some might accuse mw of being elitist [06:46:25] (but they stop when they realize it is actually a cabal) [06:46:25] *werdnum shrugs. [06:46:40] Splarka, MediaWiki just isn't a great piece of software for many uses, though [06:47:02] right, but "#7 website in the world uses it, it is right for me!" [06:47:14] 03(mod) Read restriction support - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12251 +comment (10public) [06:47:31] I was going to suggest that a fork or [06:47:32] krimpet: I use it because it's what I know well. [06:47:32] er [06:47:41] Especially the markup syntax. [06:48:00] what is the most popular user-driven website in the world with almost complete published open-source backed software and configuration, other than Wikipedia? [06:48:09] I was going to suggest that a fork or "batteries included" distribution for end users might be a good idea, but I'm not sure it's worth the effort [06:48:20] Wiktionary? [06:48:39] *Splarka gives MZM a papercut with the wikibooks logo [06:48:39] Wikiboobs? [06:48:44] Maybe it's just my anti-PHP side speaking. >_> [06:48:48] Chickipedia? [06:48:55] krimpet: they need a backend [06:49:11] oh... there was something I was supposed to ask you [07:33:24] Splarka: with almost complete open source backend would be livejournal [07:33:41] that isnt mediawiki based atleast [07:35:59] biased! former six-aparter ^_^ [07:36:49] give me another one [07:37:15] okay, what is the cubed root of the first illegal prime? [07:37:54] Splarka: nothing good [07:38:47] *Splarka puts some marijuana plants into square planters [07:38:52] ^ illegal cube roots ^_^ [07:40:11] give me another answer [07:40:35] ohh, no idea, I was just asking [07:40:43] I didn't know LJ was open source, good on them [07:41:01] *Splarka thought you meant another hard question [07:43:36] good afternoon everyone [07:44:36] I want to include a seperate class for sections starting with == Auto % == [07:44:48] how do I do that? [07:47:45] Splarka: [07:48:15] Prodego? [07:48:24] Splarka: -> Asish [07:48:32] I have no idea what any of that means [07:48:37] and I do? [07:49:34] sounds like Parser.php hacking work [07:49:36] *Splarka stays clear [07:50:09] Splarka: I thought you knew everything [07:50:37] I do, but I know what I _don't_ know [07:50:56] ha :) [07:53:24] 03(FIXED) Users custom CSS and JS not linked from Special:Preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2314 +comment (10raimond.spekking) [07:53:52] 03raymond * r46123 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES maintenance/language/messages.inc): [07:53:52] * Follow up r46117: Add new messages [07:53:52] ** fixes bug 2314 - add to RELEASE NOTES [07:54:21] shall I explain what I am looking for? [07:54:47] damn, 4 times in a row I found the best move the scrabble analyzer was going to make [07:54:50] I am a newbie so am learning things up .. [07:55:08] blithe/ef, we/wo/er, whoof/bo/lo, ale/ai/lo/en [07:55:19] in every page I am using this code: [07:55:31] (that is, after taking my turn I checked with scrabulizer, and it gave me the same result) [07:56:11] {{#dpl: category=Some_category [07:56:11] |linksto = {{PAGENAMEE}} [07:56:11] }} [07:56:54] nsince this info is automatically coming I want to show it in a different color [07:58:02] say Include class=auto-content where Headers starts with == Auto % == (ex: == Auto Servers ==) [07:59:40] well [07:59:45] sections don't work like that [08:00:03]

[08:00:14] there is nothing wrapping the possible content of a section [08:00:48] the contents of sections are node siblings to the delimiters which are headers [08:01:13] these are generally one or more

blocks of text, but can include any block level elements (tables, divs, paragraphs, blockquotes, lists, etc) [08:01:33] so you'll have to wrap the content in something, and by the time you do that, you might as well just class it yourself [08:02:05] == section == \n\n

{{#dpl}}
\n\n == next section == [08:03:18] that means manually include that each time which I am trying to avoid [08:04:22] cant I detect {{#dpl}} and force wiki to wrap the

inside

[08:04:27] right, but do you know what I mean about the sections? section content isn't wrapped [08:04:49] you could probably write an extension to parse the page [08:04:53] hows your PHP skill? [08:04:56] yup ok [08:05:05] :P [08:05:12] brb [08:05:33] ok [08:06:24] Asish: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks [08:06:36] there are several hooks in the 'Page Rendering' section that might be usable [08:07:16] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/ParserBeforeStrip is the very raw wikicode, so you could look for #dpl calls, but you'd have to make it smart enough to ignore and and check the {{}} bracket depth correctly [08:11:16] ok [08:31:34] good morning... [09:37:58] am I doing something wrong here? :( [09:37:59] function fnMyHook(&$parser, &$text) { [09:38:00] $Auto = 'Auto'; [09:38:00] $title = $parser->getTitle(); [09:38:00] if(preg_match('/Auto/i',$title)) [09:38:00] { [09:38:00] $parser->setTitle(Title::newFromText("test : $title")); [09:38:02] } [09:38:04] return $parser; [09:38:06] } [09:39:19] what is the problem? [09:46:10] nothing happened!! [09:46:42] should have showed the Page title as: test Auto Title [09:46:57] Asish: for starters, $title will be an object [09:47:05] so it needs to be $title->getPrefixedText(); [09:48:50] werdnum: php will probably autoconvert it [09:50:12] werdnum: Notice: Undefined variable: title in /var/www/html/wiki/includes/parser/Parser.php on line 5010 [09:50:13] Fatal error: Call to a member function getPrefixedText() on a non-object in /var/www/html/wiki/includes/parser/Parser.php on line 5010 [09:51:45] 5010> $title = $title->getPrefixedText(); [09:52:53] Nikerabbit: no it won't? [09:53:23] Asish: it has to be after $title = $parser->getTitle() :) [09:53:50] 03siebrand * r46124 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFiu_vro.php: Fix typo in credits [09:54:46] werdnum: yes it does? [09:55:06] Nikerabbit: It'll convert the Title object into the string "Object", won't it? [09:55:22] at least we are passing Title objects to wfMsg and it doesn't throw even a warning [09:55:39] hey wtf [09:55:40] > print Title::newMainPage() [09:55:40] Main Page [09:55:45] you're right [09:56:12] > print Title::makeTitle( NS_PROJECT, 'Page' ); [09:56:12] Andrew Dev:Page [09:57:38] > var_dump( preg_match( '/Main Page/', Title::newMainPage() ) ); [09:57:38] int(1) [09:57:43] interesting. [09:59:39] 03siebrand * r46125 10/trunk/phase3/languages/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Rename 'fiu-vro' locale to 'vro' as it got an ISO 639-3 code recently (http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=vro) [10:08:39] 03siebrand * r46127 10/trunk/extensions/cldr/LocalNamesEn.php: Add local name for 'vro' [10:15:53] 03siebrand * r46128 10/trunk/extensions/ (8 files in 8 dirs): Update locale name for 'fiu-vro' to 'vro' where used in extensions [10:35:18] what is the variable wgDBserver ?!? Is it in anyway editable by a common user ? tnx [10:36:04] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgDBserver [10:37:18] tnx [10:59:50] 03siebrand * r46129 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: Update RELEASE-NOTES for r46125 [11:02:09] 03(NEW) Introduce magic word that restricts certain categories ( and their sub-categories) to the article namespace. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17143 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Categories; (church.of.emacs.ml) [11:06:04] I'm auditing mediawiki with Fortify SCA (A program for auditing the security) the question is: All the wfBacktrace() could help an attacker gaining informations ?!? [11:07:04] Yes, which is why there is a configuration variable to enable or disable traceback output. [11:07:24] for example in ApiBase.php line 808 : print "\n" . wfBacktrace(); [11:07:44] understood how is called this variable ? [11:09:35] I don't understand what you mean. [11:10:52] I think he wants to know what its called [11:11:53] 11:06 < joe1083> I'm auditing mediawiki with Fortify SCA (A program for auditing the security) the question is: All the wfBacktrace() could help an attacker gaining informations ?!? [11:11:57] That's silly. [11:11:59] The code is *open* *source* [11:12:21] Any information that an attacker could possibly gain from a backtrace is already available in the source code. [11:12:44] We get somebody every few days who's trying to audit MediaWiki with an automated tool (usually Fortify). [11:13:12] sounds like a job for mwbot [11:13:22] You should be aware that those tools are designed for software developers themselves to check their own programs, and not for end-users. [11:13:55] The tools produce a list of possible problems, but it requires a real understanding of (at least) PHP, HTTP, SQL and other related technologies to make a judgement as to whether or not a real problem exists. [11:14:02] *Splarka nudges werdnum to define !audit or !fortify or !mytoolsaysyousuck [11:14:48] A hammer sucks when you hit your finger [11:14:55] I understand, but I have to do: is a project for my university "La Sapienza" of Rome .... by the way if the context of use is different and mediawiki wasn't open source, how it's possible to adjust this variable to avoid that someone could steal information ? [11:14:59] "We applaud your efforts to audit MediaWiki, but unless you've had a lot of experience with the minute interactions of PHP, SQL, and HTTP, then pasting every warning reported by your newly downloaded audit tool is not going to help us at all" [11:15:06] It isn't productive for you to quiz us on each warning that Fortify generates, because we'd be here for hours, and you'd create a bunch of extra work for us, where our time would be much better spent helping other people. [11:15:16] joe1083: The information is information about MediaWiki itself. [11:15:20] you can either use a newspaper in stead or learn how to use the hammer adequately [11:15:37] The information that is released is already public information. [11:19:07] I know perfectly that what I'm doing is unuseful, but unfortunatly I have to do for my degree, so if someone can help me (because this things is silly for you) can save me hours and hours [11:19:25] I just asked how this variable is called [11:19:34] It isn't a variable. [11:19:50] Are you a PHP developer? [11:19:55] server configuration ? [11:20:06] php.ini ? [11:20:20] No, you need to comment out all of wfBacktrace, I guess. [11:22:37] wonderfoul that's enough ... tnx a lot ! [11:24:49] 03siebrand * r46130 10/trunk/extensions/cldr/LocalNamesEn.php: Add local name for 'vep' [11:38:16] How can I access the variable $wgGroupPermissions from a special page which I intent to create ? [11:39:50] have a look at [11:39:57] !e configure | karthik [11:39:57] --mwbot-- karthik: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:configure [11:40:20] yes i saw that [11:42:46] it is a third party special page addon I think [11:43:19] i just want to know how to acess a global variable from a special page [11:47:40] karthik: it is not "third party" in a derogatory sense, it is written by werdnum here who is employed by the Wikimedia Foundation as a contractor [11:48:00] ok [11:48:02] it is not a core feature because it is somewhat specialized, but many official bits and bobs are extensions, like Parser Functions [11:48:14] (it is also being actively developed) [11:48:37] also, it is the only non-third-party way to access the group permissions in a Special page [11:48:46] i tried that [11:49:05] 03(ASSIGNED) action=opensearch&format=xml resolves redirects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17142 summary; +comment (10roan.kattouw) [11:49:25] *werdnum looks in. [11:49:34] werdnum++; [11:49:48] werd: you are a dirty untrusted third party [11:49:53] ^_^ [11:50:04] i was trying to make my wiki private through a special page so that i can switch btwn the two options namely public and private [11:50:08] (and so is ialex) [11:50:30] *werdnum gets in the shower. [11:50:42] through the special pages [11:56:36] ApiMain.php line 281: echo wfReportTime(); the time is a sensible thing to retrive randomic number and consequently sensible information as password or something else, do you thing that an attacker could take advantage in some way of this information? [12:04:59] hello [12:05:01] 03catrope * r46131 10/trunk/extensions/OpenSearchXml/ApiOpenSearchXml.php: OpenSearchXml extension: (bug 17142) action=opensearch shouldn't resolve redirects in XML mode [12:05:12] 03(FIXED) action=opensearch&format=xml resolves redirects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17142 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [12:05:35] I've a table , I want the first column from the right to be the first from the left [12:06:23] style="rtl" :) [12:07:33] 03catrope * r46132 10/branches/new-upload/phase3/includes/api/ApiUpload.php: new-upload branch: Set svn:keywords=Id for ApiUpload.php [12:08:55] doesn't work , take a look please http://ar.linux.yourwiki.net/wiki/%D8%B6%D9%85_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A3%D9%82%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%B5 [12:09:22] the second table [12:09:39] I want the numbers to be on the right side [12:17:39] werdnum: [12:20:35] 03(NEW) Linking is not correct - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17144 major; normal; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticResultFormats; (dasch_87) [12:26:33] 03(mod) Type:date should support ISO output format - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17075 (10dasch_87) [12:32:58] joe1083: It's easy to obtain the server time by just making an edit and seeing what timestamp it gets [12:34:39] joe1083: Upon taking a deeper look, it turns out it doesn't even print the time, just a comment like [12:34:57] Which doesn't really provide any sensitive information and is not used for randomization either [12:40:21] Simetrical: You said something a while ago about MySQL being stupid about optimizing queries. I've managed to fix a filesort in the API by adding a superfluous ( ) pair [12:40:47] hello I've a table , I want the first column from the right to be the first from the left [12:40:50] Apparently, WHERE ( (foo AND bar) OR (baz AND blah) ) can be optimized, but WHERE (foo AND bar) OR (baz AND blah) can't [12:41:17] UsamaAkkad: So you're saying that you have || Foo | Bar and you want to see Bar || Foo ? [12:41:30] yes [12:41:39] I'm not sure that's possible [12:41:57] Except by just switching them around in the wikitext [12:42:45] yes which is not easy :) [12:48:21] {| dir="rtl" [12:48:21] || 1 || 2 [12:49:08] and if you're on an rtl wiki, use dir="ltr" [13:00:37] 03malafaya * r46133 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/SpecialLanguages.i18n.php: [13:00:37] Added 4 new localizable messages to Wikidata (previously only in English): [13:00:37] ow_Remove, ow_RemoveHint, ow_AddHint, ow_SuggestHint [13:00:47] 03catrope * r46134 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiQueryBacklinks.php: API: (bug 16483) Kill filesort in ApiQueryBacklinks caused by missing parentheses. Building query properly now using makeList() [13:01:50] 03(FIXED) Second query of ApiQueryBackLinks filesorts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16483 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [13:03:42] 03catrope * r46135 10/branches/REL1_14/phase3/includes/api/ApiQueryBacklinks.php: Backport r46134 (killed filesort in ApiQueryBacklinks) [13:10:25] 03malafaya * r46136 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/ (5 files): [13:10:25] Wikidata now using old localized messages which were not being used. [13:10:25] Added support for four new i18n messages. [13:10:34] 03catrope * r46137 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiQueryBacklinks.php: Explain why this code doesn't use LinkBatch. [13:16:26] 03catrope * r46138 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/api/ApiQuerySiteinfo.php): API: (bug 17024) Added legaltitlechars field to meta=siteinfo&siprop=general output, which contains the value of $wgLegalTitleChars [13:16:36] 03(FIXED) Get value of $wgLegalTitleChars through the API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17024 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [13:23:01] splarka that worked thanks :) [13:51:38] 03(NEW) Excluding specific categories from Special: UnusedCategories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17145 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (ahmad.m.sherif) [14:18:05] 03river * r46140 10/trunk/tools/ts-specs/ (6 files in 3 dirs): [14:18:05] TSpcre: bump to 7.8 [14:18:05] TScurl: bump to 7.19.3 [14:18:05] TSphp: add %defattr for TSphp-root files [14:30:16] 03river * r46141 10/trunk/tools/ts-specs/TSphp.spec: TSphp: requires TSlibmcrypt [14:46:00] 03(mod) Feature request: New variable: {{{REDIRECTEDFROM}}} - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17121 (10villes01) [14:53:50] What causes a category page to not list all of it's subcategories? And/or, how do you force it to get back up to date? [15:00:01] 03(mod) Language code of Taiwanese/Holo, Cantonese, Classical Chinese Wikipedias (nan, yue, lzh) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8217 normal->major (10klneast) [15:02:31] For example: http://lyricwiki.org/Category:Language/German has 3 subcategories and only one shows up [15:11:24] Sean_Colombo: Click Next often enough, and the other ones will show up too [15:12:44] (at least that's what I think; it would be easier to confirm if api.php were accessible) [15:13:11] RoanKattouw: what do you mean by "next"? .. are you referring to the articles themselves? [15:13:25] RoanKattouw: also, the api is at mw_api.php :/ (long story) [15:13:32] Articles and subcats aren't paged separately (anymore) [15:13:50] ph [15:13:55] *oh [15:13:56] wow [15:13:58] that's super-confusing [15:14:23] On second thought, I'm not sure it was ever paged separately [15:15:48] Sean_Colombo: If you wanna verify that the entries are there in the database, run SELECT * FROM categorylinks WHERE cl_to = 'Language/German' AND cl_namespace = 14; [15:16:17] 03rotem * r46143 10/trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Localization update for he. [15:17:22] 03siebrand * r46144 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/ (OmegaWikiEditors.php WikiDataGlobals.php): Remove unused global $wgPopupAnnotationName [15:17:36] RoanKattouw: there doesn't appear to be a namespace column in 1.13 [15:20:27] I wrote it differently, the categories are definitely there... it's just really confusing for end-users :-/ [15:20:28] hmm [15:22:47] RoanKattouw: is there any design reason why the subcategories couldn't be split out into another table separate from pages, or is it just a matter of someone coding it? [15:23:10] 14(WFM) Table sorting error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9414 +comment (10david.potter) [15:42:10] do I need any certain version of tidy? [15:43:15] 14(DUP) Allow a way to force numeric sort for sortable tables - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13535 +comment (10david.potter) [15:43:17] 03(mod) Wikibits patch #9 - force sortorder of a column - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15406 +comment (10david.potter) [15:47:04] where is the main.css [15:47:32] /skins/monobook/main.css [15:47:50] ialex: thank you [15:53:05] how can I disable all other skins than monobook? [15:53:58] Sean_Colombo: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1211 [15:54:28] Zor: use $wgDefaultSkin and $wgSkipSkins [15:55:27] Sean_Colombo: Oh! I remember now, there was an example of $wgSkipSkins on MediaWiki.org, wasn't there? [15:56:52] Zor: I don't remember... here's an example of my code [15:57:01] err [15:57:08] i'lll fix it to be for monobook [15:57:13] $wgDefaultSkin = 'monobook'; [15:57:32] $wgSkipSkins = array("chick", "cologneblue", "modern", "myskin", "nostalgia", "simple", "standard"); [15:58:18] Sean_Colombo: Thanks. [15:58:32] Zor: np [15:58:49] RoanKattouw: thanks for the link... reading through ti [15:58:50] *it [16:00:41] 03(NEW) Search results for utf-8 strings - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17146 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Search; (pch13) [16:05:19] Zor: you can also just set $wgAllowUserSkin = false; [16:05:53] Vyznev: will do that as well. [16:07:22] ($wgAllowUserSkin seems to be a v1.14 feature, though... odd, I could've sworn it was older) [16:25:07] How do I add this, http://s5.tinypic.com/flc1gy.jpg [16:26:11] 03ialex * r46145 10/trunk/phase3/includes/OutputHandler.php: [16:26:11] Tweaks for the "Whole HTML Validation" feature: [16:26:11] * Allow to use external tidy [16:26:11] * Accept application/xhtml+xml mime type [16:26:11] * Fix XHTML errors on errors reports :) [16:26:26] !e CharInsert | Zartla [16:26:26] --mwbot-- Zartla: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CharInsert [16:26:39] 03shinjiman * r46147 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): Localisation updates Cantonese, Chinese and Literary Chinese [16:26:42] Zartla: and then copy MediaWiki:Edittools [16:26:54] also where can I see all the extension's mediawiki uses [16:27:05] Zartla: Special:Version [16:31:48] hellou [16:31:50] Hello room [16:32:39] Anybody, who can help me with deleting Main Page=title, I'm using customized Modern skin....... [16:37:30] !calender [16:37:30] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "calender". [16:38:47] !calendar [16:38:47] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "calendar". [16:38:57] oh... sorry. i thought u just misspelled it ;) [16:39:06] Thanks [16:39:40] I wanna create DATE Catogies for atleast 1 month, how's it possible? [16:39:47] categories^ [16:41:44] 03malafaya * r46148 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Wikidata's Special:NeedsTranslation i18n support [16:42:39] I'm working on DynamicPageList. How is it to appear newly created article pages under this DPL? [16:42:54] namespace=Main ? [16:43:12] !suppresserrors [16:43:12] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "suppresserrors". [16:43:31] ialex: once I have installed it and put in the dittools how do I get it to show up on the edit thing [16:44:22] edittools* [16:44:22] Zartla: once you did that two things, it should wok [16:44:29] *work [16:44:37] it isn't showing up when you edit [16:47:55] Zartla: from where did you copy it? [16:47:59] *Mr-Fine in #Mediawiki-cheats [16:48:25] ialex: I put it here: http://mike-tipper.com/wiki/index.php?title=ELW_Park:Edittools [16:48:56] Zartla: you need to put it there: http://mike-tipper.com/wiki/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Edittools [16:49:47] ialex: thanks [16:50:15] *Mr-Fine #japan [16:57:13] I've got a giant list of episodes i want to put into my mediawiki. I'll be writing a bot to maintain it, but is there a huge difference in read-speed between regular MW table markup and templates? [16:58:57] I would think that standard markup would be quick because it doesn't hit up any extra pages (ie: to load a template), but if MW does it "correctly," the template gets loaded into a state that can quickly spit out the correct html [17:01:34] How can I change fonts size? [17:02:33] *Mr-Fine asking for a very common and simple frequently asked question: How can I change size of fonts? [17:02:40] !font [17:02:40] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "font". [17:02:42] !fonts [17:02:42] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "fonts". [17:07:26] 03(mod) Subcategory paging is not separate from article or image paging - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1211 +comment (10sean) [17:15:23] 03siebrand * r46149 10/trunk/tools/planet/en/config.ini: Update URL for blog by Niklas Laxstroem [17:22:18] My wiki has all pages so they are like this: /wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page how can I get it like this: /wiki/Main_Page [17:22:31] !shorturl [17:22:31] --mwbot-- To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at . There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem [17:26:57] 03ashley * r46150 10/trunk/extensions/timeline/ (Timeline.i18n.php Timeline.php): [17:26:57] EasyTimeline: [17:26:57] *allow the path to EasyTimeline.pl be customized like ploticus/perl paths by moving it to TimelineSettings class [17:26:57] *some spacing tweaks [17:26:57] *added/tweaked doxygen comments [17:42:14] 03ialex * r46151 10/trunk/phase3/includes/CategoryPage.php: [17:42:14] * Removed false comment, we are in a Category page, not an Image page [17:42:14] * Use wfMsgExt( 'msg', array( 'escape' ), ... ) rather than htmlspecialchars( wfMsg( ... ) ) [17:42:14] * Whitespaces tweaks [17:48:32] <[mdevilz]> Hi I am currently using the latest SVN version of mediawiki but when I try to go to MediaWiki:Common.css and all I get is a blank page ... I have the following extensions are Cite, SyntaxHighlight, AntiBot and BugSquish [17:48:42] <[mdevilz]> any ideas of what might be causing the blank page? [17:49:31] 03aaron * r46152 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialPreferences.php: Only show css/js links for selected skin [17:52:37] <[mdevilz]> also what extension is used to intergate bugzilla into mediawiki? [17:52:48] none [17:52:58] if you mean our bugzilla [17:53:10] it's just a skin with some custom patches [17:54:36] <[mdevilz]> oh ok [17:55:56] this is all I have for the .htaccess how do I use the short url, where would I input the stuff I need from this: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/wiki/Page_title_--_no_root_access [17:56:06] http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=5l9qax&s=5 [17:56:15] that all I have for the htaccess^ [17:56:36] 03siebrand * r46153 10/trunk/ (13 files in 13 dirs): [17:56:36] Recommit r45154 after revert in r45249 and discussion http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2008-December/thread.html#40797 [17:56:36] * sysop/admin -> administrator for consistency [17:57:28] 03siebrand * r46154 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Fix typo in 'restriction-level-sysop' [18:04:26] 03(mod) Prettify permalinks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16659 (10pixelface.bug) [18:07:52] <[mdevilz]> Danny_B: so this is a skin to bugzilla? https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1 [18:08:07] yes [18:08:44] <[mdevilz]> ok do you know what might cause MediaWiki:Common.css to just display a blank page white page? [18:10:05] suggesting to turn on error messages and then you'll see some error message which could hint you [18:13:16] hello [18:13:17] <[mdevilz]> okay .. now to figure out why one the requires isn't working :) thanks [18:19:01] <[mdevilz]> thanks Danny_B :) [18:29:08] 03(mod) Use semantic XHTML (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10467 (10danny.b) [18:29:11] 03(NEW) Wrap the source (parts) in - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17147 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: SyntaxHighlight (GeSHi); (danny.b) [18:29:31] 03(mod) E-mail notifications are sent on every change ( currently a wrong behaviour) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17084 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [18:29:46] 03(NEW) The warning about editing a semi-protected page can display an irrelevant edit summary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17148 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Page protection; (happy_melon) [18:32:37] 03nikerabbit * r46155 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/scripts/sync-group.php: * Supress errors [18:35:00] 03(mod) clearing one's watchlist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13250 +comment (10pixelface.bug) [18:35:14] 03aaron * r46156 10/trunk/phase3/includes/UserMailer.php: Hurry up and commit db op before doing mailing op to the users to notify [18:36:19] 03river * r46157 10/trunk/tools/planet/en/config.ini: planet doesn't like https [18:37:53] 03aaron * r46158 10/trunk/phase3/includes/UserMailer.php: Avoid slave lag on $title->getLatestRevID() [18:38:42] 03vasilievvv * r46159 10/trunk/tools/planet/ru/config.ini: Update Russian planet. [18:38:49] Simetrical: Can you have a look at bug #17145 please [18:41:06] AhmadSherif: in fact those cats ARE unused [18:41:24] because they don't contain anything and _should not_ contain anything [18:41:53] Danny_B, i know, i'm talking about maintaining other cats [18:43:10] well __USEDCAT__ isn't semantically correct then [18:43:27] because it in fact lies [18:43:51] there should be some more generic keyword [18:44:18] <[mdevilz]> usercat/systemcat? [18:44:57] it is USED to tell Special:UnusedCats that is is USED :) [18:45:13] the cat is not used [18:46:12] all right, any suggestion? [18:46:21] i meant something i manor of (i know this is long, i'm not proposing it ;-) it's just to show the direction in which the keyword should be found) __DONTTREATMEASUNUSED__ [18:46:55] :D [18:47:01] i'd imagine __USEDCAT__ word for categories like deleteme which are occasionally empty [18:47:06] THOSE are used [18:47:14] cat redirs are not used [18:47:22] feel tzhe difference? [18:47:46] yeah [18:47:56] there should be separation of these two types [18:48:23] so it's about the keyword only? [18:48:46] because if you made query to list all cats with such flag you wouldn't know if they're all redirects or some maintenance cats etc... [18:48:49] wtf [18:48:55] is our escape like broken [18:49:20] \ turns into \\, but only \\\\ seems to work [18:49:37] right [18:50:38] or is it matter of quotes [18:50:41] at least inside '' it is so [18:50:44] AhmadSherif: i'd suggest to introduce two different keywords with the (currently) same behavior on special:unusedcategories [18:51:04] in the future such difference can come handy for next features [18:51:51] Danny_B, excuse me, ididnit get your point [18:52:00] which part? [18:52:10] the two keywords [18:52:28] hello [18:52:32] how do I make so once an edit has been patrolled your just taken to patrol another edit rather then having to go back to recent changes [18:52:42] I got a little problem after porting my mediawiki installation [18:52:48] concerning uploading [18:53:08] introduce __USEDCAT__ (for deleteme and so...) and __WHATEVER__ for unused cats which should not be treated as unused though [18:53:09] I get the following error after selecting the file and clicking "upload" [18:53:11] http://rafb.net/p/YUOvlv43.html [18:53:36] is it possible? [18:54:00] anyone who knows sql here? [18:54:12] but there is no "public" folder anywhere on the server - just the "image" folder which is writable to the webserver [18:54:21] AhmadSherif: furthermore you can introduce __CATEGORYREDIR__ which would be semantically perfect for the major amount of cases. [18:55:17] hello [18:56:13] why two website with same php version use different index file,like .php and .php5 [18:56:25] *websites [18:56:31] Danny_B, so you suggest CATEGORYREDIR for maintaining cases and USEDCAT for deleteme and so on [18:56:50] ugh [18:57:00] huh, you somehow mixed it together [18:57:19] how? [18:59:14] <[mdevilz]> where do i edit the side bar from? that includes the navigation? [18:59:49] i suggest usedcat for deleteme, stubs, citation needed etc... which can time to time be empty (not necessary on enwiki ;-) but whatever) and i suggest some other word based on "don't treat me as unused" principle for those cat's which are not used occasionaly. the categoryredirect was additional one to the first two cases which could be helpful in future if automatical category redirects will be implemented [18:59:56] 03(NEW) We need to be able to move images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17149 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Images; (hardy) [19:00:18] !sidebar | [mdevilz] [19:00:18] --mwbot-- [mdevilz]: To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see . [19:00:28] <[mdevilz]> thanks [19:02:41] 14(DUP) We need to be able to move images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17149 +comment (10raimond.spekking) [19:02:54] 03(mod) Cannot rename/move images and other media files. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=709 +comment (10raimond.spekking) [19:03:27] Danny_B, but i think that would be a bit confusing [19:06:29] well, confusing would be if you put USEDCAT to the cat which is not used [19:07:43] i think we should find out a global-meaning keyword [19:10:03] how about __NOUNUSEDCAT__ [19:14:30] as i mentioned above - differing of sense would be very helpful for future [19:14:40] i'm sorry i gtg atm :-/ [19:51:14] 03malafaya * r46160 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Some Special Pages text i18n for Wikidata [19:52:54] <[mdevilz]> I was wondering if the mediawiki bugzilla theme is available for download or no? [19:53:27] hopefully not [19:53:36] it's our theme, make/use something else! :) [19:53:52] it used to be, but it's not updated often [19:54:26] <[mdevilz]> guess i can try make something else ... the whole graphically appealing thing I am not great at :) [19:54:38] http://download.wikimedia.org/bugzilla/ [19:54:57] <[mdevilz]> thanks [19:55:10] there's https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9025 ("Provide updated distributions of the custom templates") too [19:57:46] 03mkroetzsch * r46161 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_DV_WikiPage.php: +missing global declaration [19:57:59] of course, a much better solution is to replace bugzilla with JIRA, and use the mediawiki modern skin ;) [19:58:29] 03mkroetzsch * r46162 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_Factbox.php: Avoid additional workload in hooks when Factbox is hidden anyway [20:01:45] 03(mod) Excluding specific categories from Special:UnusedCategories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17145 +comment (10ahmad.m.sherif) [20:15:04] 03mkroetzsch * r46163 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_Factbox.php: minor code simplification [20:34:00] 03nikerabbit * r46164 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/SpecialTranslations.php: * Cleanup [20:34:48] 03malafaya * r46165 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [20:34:48] * Added colon to some messages [20:34:48] * Colon adding removed from text logic [20:40:50] ialex: Are there any known issues left with $wgAllowImageMoving (for a non-Wikimedia wiki)? [20:42:00] Pathoschild: better to ask VasilievVV [20:42:16] Alright. :) [20:42:23] VasilievVV: Are there any known issues left with $wgAllowImageMoving (for a non-Wikimedia wiki)? [20:44:17] 03nad * r46166 10/trunk/extensions/RecordAdmin/RecordAdmin_body.php: replace non-word characters in css classes with dash [20:45:31] 03(NEW) escapeLike should double escape \ - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17150 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Database; (niklas.laxstrom) [20:57:15] Pathoschild: not that I'm aware of [20:57:26] At least brion wanted to test it [20:59:08] MZMcBride seems to have done some testing in December, and only found an isolated problem with merging large histories. I just enabled it on a small genealogy wiki, no problems so far. [20:59:45] :O [20:59:49] I think you're thinking of someone else? [20:59:51] I don't think I've tested image moving at all. :P [21:00:23] Oh, yes. VasilievVV tested it, you copied his comment from another bug. :) [21:00:40] ( https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15842#c3 ) [21:01:59] :-) [21:02:19] 03siebrand * r46167 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (32 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2009-01-24 20:48 UTC) [21:08:24] 03siebrand * r46168 10/trunk/extensions/ (93 files in 78 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2009-01-24 20:48 UTC) [21:14:57] 03malafaya * r46169 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/ (6 files in 2 dirs): [21:14:57] All affected messages by weird text logic have colons now. [21:14:57] Some more i18n. [21:31:58] 03(NEW) Update MessagesVi.php - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17151 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (dhnguyen) [21:38:48] 03(mod) Update MessagesVi.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17151 (10dhnguyen) [21:38:54] <[]-> hi, any body knows how to add to media wiki search with google as at wikipedia ? [21:50:10] []-, look at the javascript used at wikipedia [21:51:21] 03siebrand * r46170 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesVi.php: (bug 17151) Add magic word alias for #redirect [21:51:46] 03(FIXED) Update MessagesVi.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17151 +comment (10siebrand) [22:00:26] <[]-> Platonides just look an at MediaWiki:Search.js - just have no success [22:02:08] <[]-> Platonides, as well, can't understand http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/How_to_add_Google_search_to_your_MediaWiki_Search_Results_Page [22:02:55] *[]- have mediawiki 1.13.2 [22:17:16] 03(mod) Update MessagesVi.php - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17151 (10dhnguyen) [22:32:08] 03(mod) Update MessagesVi.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17151 (10sam) [22:41:09] 03(mod) E-mail notifications are sent on every change ( currently a wrong behaviour) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17084 (10JSchulz_4587) [22:43:04] 03(mod) E-mail notifications are sent on every change ( currently a wrong behaviour) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17084 (10mail) [22:50:31] 03aaron * r46171 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (Article.php diff/DifferenceEngine.php): (bug 17104) Remove [Mark as patrolled] link for already patrolled revisions [22:51:09] 03(FIXED) Remove [Mark as patrolled] link for already patrolled revisions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17104 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [22:56:48] 03(FIXED) Provide a "patrol" tab/ link for unpatrolled pages on wikis with new page patrol - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12572 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [23:21:59] 03(mod) Fatal error: Cannot redeclare class (broken skin) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16580 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [23:23:37] 03(FIXED) MediaWiki:Rcnote no longer displayed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16171 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [23:33:12] 03(VERIFIED) Remove [Mark as patrolled] link for already patrolled revisions - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17104 (10marcin.cieslak) [23:45:16] 03(mod) Excluding specific categories from Special:UnusedCategories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17145 +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [23:46:22] *Danny_B wonders if aaron is present behind any nick here? [23:52:18] 03(mod) Add a music wikimodule - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=189 (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [23:52:41] 04(REOPENED) MediaWiki:Rcnote no longer displayed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16171 +comment (10danny.b) [23:53:18] we have a proverb - quick work worth nothing