[00:03:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable Import on UK Wikimedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17167  (10mediawiki)
[00:21:40] <betacommand>	anyone have the link to review status of mw code?
[00:21:58] <Marybelle>	[[mw:Special:Code/mediawiki]] ?
[00:22:21] <Marybelle>	Simetrical: I'm surprised you used the pageprops table 
[00:22:26] <Marybelle>	Whoops.
[00:22:29] <Marybelle>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/status
[00:22:37] <Marybelle>	Beta ^
[00:22:39] *Marybelle 	learns to use a computer.
[00:22:47] <betacommand>	thanks
[00:23:08] <Marybelle>	Sim: Never mind.
[00:23:47] <betacommand>	Marybelle: thats not what I was thinking
[00:24:05] <betacommand>	there was a page with green showing review taht has been approved
[00:24:23] <Marybelle>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki ?
[00:29:10] *aiml 	wants someone to commit https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16335
[00:30:19] <p858snake|sleep>	its in a backlog of 708 other need-reviews, just wait
[00:33:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Random page in this category feature - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2170  +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[00:34:31] *p858snake 	tears down brion's house and rebuilds with meta templates >.>
[00:36:21] <brion>	p858snake: the building's pretty old; meta template would probably have more efficient heating and more reliable wiring
[00:36:47] <p858snake>	but it would also kill server kittens, would it not?
[00:37:40] <brion>	well, my kitties aren't server kitties
[00:37:46] <brion>	they're client-side kitties
[00:37:51] <TimStarling>	lol
[00:38:14] *brion 	is tempted to name his next cat Ajax
[00:38:16] *werdnum 	throws rocks at brion.
[00:39:17] <werdnum>	I wanted to call my sister's rabbit 'Stew' when we got it, but she wouldn't let me.
[00:41:32] <brion>	mmmmm
[00:42:13] <werdnum>	The only correct thing to say there is "nom nom nom"
[00:42:26] <I-MOD>	agreed, make it so
[00:43:29] <Shivan>	Hello can "{{{1}}}" variables work in conjunction with functions such as #ifexpr?
[00:44:35] <p858snake>	tbh i <3 meta templates, easy to update, less people making templates with stupid settings (like for example that black infobox i saw with hyperlink blue text that wern't links *shudders*) and people make less broken templates ^.^
[00:45:06] <Splarka>	Shivan: should work as advertised, but if relying on user input you may want fallbacks and error checking
[00:45:07] <werdnum>	Meta-templates don't make much difference to performance anyway.
[00:45:21] <werdnum>	I think it was Splarka who did that image.
[00:45:46] <Splarka>	wat
[00:45:59] <p858snake>	werdnum: wait till someone breakes something and all the navbox ones have to be rebuilt
[00:46:02] <Shivan>	Splarka I keep getting "Expression error: Unrecognised punctuation character "{""
[00:46:10] <werdnum>	"Every time you use meta-templates, Brion kills a server kitty."
[00:46:12] <Splarka>	Shivan: yes, so put in a fallback
[00:46:16] <Splarka>	{{{1|0}}}
[00:46:23] <Splarka>	otherwise the #ifexpr literally sees a {
[00:46:31] <Shivan>	Oh
[00:46:37] <Splarka>	(if the parameter is undefined, which it always is on the untranscluded template)
[00:47:04] <brion>	http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_b3GHoGMBNpY/SX0KqOH6lRI/AAAAAAAADeQ/_nmkA0CTxEY/s1600-h/lolcat54.jpg
[00:47:18] <werdnum>	Brion isn't scapping
[00:47:21] <werdnum>	he's looking at lolcats
[00:47:26] <Shivan>	Thanks Splarka, it works now
[00:47:29] <werdnum>	:P
[00:47:44] <brion>	i can haz multitasking?
[00:47:56] <werdnum>	:D
[00:48:00] *werdnum 	cracks the whip.
[00:48:35] <Splarka>	punishing cats almost never works, you need to deter them
[00:48:42] <Splarka>	squirt bottle of water to the face, for example
[00:48:53] <Marybelle>	You're a squirt.
[00:49:54] <Splarka>	http://www.cyberlawcentre.org/unlocking-ip/blog/cat_sword.jpg  <- multitasking
[00:50:08] <p858snake>	http://min.ie/Js > Lolcats atm
[01:00:44] <CIA-59>	03river * r46306 10/trunk/tools/ts-specs/ext-sources/Makefile.exim: TSexim: disable HAVE_IPV6 as it makes Exim crash
[01:01:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Don't report changes to wikibugs-l when only the CC changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15585   +upstream; +comment (10brion)
[01:06:46] <Jinxor>	might anyone be able to tell me why http://wiki.projectxi.org refuses to forward to http://projectxi.org/wiki ?
[01:07:12] <Jinxor>	since all my other links work (forums.projectxi.org for example), i was told it's likely an issue with the wiki
[01:09:27] <brion>	Jinxor: probably you got some rules for your wiki that are overriding the rule for the forwarding?
[01:09:40] *werdnum 	fixed up http://mwref.werdn.us/# while he was waiting for brion to look over the Abuse Filter.
[01:10:00] <werdnum>	The parser is still running, but when it finishes, it'll have all functions, not just ones with one-line definitions.
[01:10:07] <Jinxor>	shouldn't be anything other than the default
[01:10:30] <werdnum>	Finished parsing. Inserting into database...
[01:10:31] <werdnum>	whee
[01:10:40] <brion>	whee
[01:11:08] <Jinxor>	my other subdomains forward to their specific folder at the primary domain only
[01:11:21] <Jinxor>	that is, forums.projectxi.org => projectxi.org/forums
[01:11:32] <Jinxor>	whereas wiki.projectxi.org => wiki.projectxi.org/wiki
[01:11:41] <Jinxor>	or even...
[01:11:53] <Jinxor>	wiki.projectxi.org => wiki.projectxi.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
[01:12:30] <Jinxor>	i don't require (or even want) the subdomain to remain (though i don't care much if it's there either)...
[01:12:47] <Jinxor>	i just want content over a 404 ;)
[01:13:39] <werdnum>	Inserted 7352 records.
[01:13:40] <werdnum>	woo!
[01:13:45] <werdnum>	took about an hour, incidentally
[01:14:40] <brion>	hmm
[01:15:05] <brion>	werdnum: stupid question. say i want to add a condition that matches if a substring is added to a page during the edit. so i want to see if it's in the new text but wasn't in the old text
[01:15:23] <brion>	i see variables for 'unified diff' but not for 'old text' and 'new text' or 'all added text'
[01:15:37] <werdnum>	There's ADDED_LINES
[01:15:49] <werdnum>	and REMOVED_LINES
[01:15:51] <brion>	hmm
[01:16:02] <brion>	well problem 1) it's ambiguous whether that contains text or a count of lines
[01:16:10] <brion>	2) what about modified lines? do they appear in both?
[01:16:23] <werdnum>	Yes
[01:16:40] <werdnum>	REMOVED_LINES includes the old line, ADDED_LINES includes the new line.
[01:16:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add magic word __NONEWSECTIONLINK__ - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16335  -need-review +reviewed; +comment (10carlin-public)
[01:16:44] <werdnum>	It's just parsing a diff.
[01:17:02] <werdnum>	REMOVED_LINES contains lines with a - at the start, ADDED_LINES contains a lines with a + at the start.
[01:17:59] <werdnum>	I'm not entirely sure why there's no OLD_TEXT and NEW_TEXT vars, but I just added them in my working copy.
[01:18:22] <brion>	werdnum: this doesn't seem to be tripping for me: http://shortstack.local/trunk/index.php/Special:AbuseFilter/1
[01:18:33] <brion>	http://shortstack.local/trunk/index.php?title=Some_silly_page&diff=2671&oldid=2670 <- should have hit it, i think
[01:18:53] <brion>	ah wait
[01:18:55] <brion>	i did it wrong
[01:19:58] <brion>	yay!
[01:20:06] <werdnum>	whee
[01:20:07] <brion>	This action has been automatically identified as harmful, and therefore disallowed. If you believe your edit was constructive, please contact an administrator, and inform them of what you were trying to do. A brief description of the abuse rule which your action matched is: Contains poop
[01:20:20] <werdnum>	:D
[01:20:41] <brion>	ok for test wiki it should be ok to leave this open to sysops to test rules? or should we leave it more locked for the moment
[01:21:34] <Jinxor>	so no ideas on subdomain forwarding failing ?
[01:22:12] <werdnum>	brion: Just make sure you don't let people use the 'degroup' action.
[01:22:15] <werdnum>	'block' probably, too.
[01:22:19] <brion>	heh
[01:22:25] <werdnum>	and 'rangeblock'
[01:22:28] <brion>	mm can we disable that cleanly?
[01:22:46] <werdnum>	yep
[01:23:03] <brion>	tell me hows
[01:23:05] <werdnum>	$wgAbuseFilterAvailableActions = array_diff( $wgAbuseFilterAvailableActions, array( 'block', 'rangeblock', 'degroup' ) );
[01:23:10] <brion>	oooooooh
[01:23:12] <brion>	ah i see
[01:23:17] <werdnum>	or just copy the line out of AbuseFilter.php and remove those three.
[01:23:41] <brion>	go ahead and add a note in AbuseFilter.php on $wgAbuseFilterAvailableActions explaining you can conveniently use that to disable things :)
[01:24:00] <Splarka>	is the text of the potentially offending diff available to sysops (or abusefilteradmins, whatever the group will be) for debugging purposes? sort of an abuseDrafts?
[01:24:26] <werdnum>	Sure.
[01:24:33] <werdnum>	Splarka: yep
[01:29:17] *Jinxor 	sighs
[01:29:20] <Jinxor>	i guess i'll try again later
[01:31:43] <CIA-59>	03werdna * r46307 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/ (5 files): Add OLD_TEXT and NEW_TEXT variables, refactor variable storage, and clean up the AbuseLog interface just a little.
[01:37:45] <CIA-59>	03werdna * r46308 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/db_patches/patch-afh_changed_fields.sql: Respect DB table prefixes.
[01:38:10] <Simetrical>	Hmm, I wonder if we could get code reviews spammed in here too.
[01:38:54] <Marybelle>	It would be trivial if code reviews were put in the RC table...
[01:39:21] <Splarka>	how about as default-hidden log actions, like automated new user creation
[01:39:29] <werdnum>	Why?
[01:39:36] <werdnum>	They should be shown.
[01:39:39] <brion>	it would be pretty easy to have CodeReview spam to the UDP/IRC bridge. then we'd just have to set one of those up to also talk to freenode
[01:39:41] <Splarka>	to not spam mediawiki.org recent changes?
[01:39:51] <brion>	or i guess we could have it send emails to wikibugs :D
[01:39:55] <Marybelle>	Mark them as bot?
[01:40:07] <werdnum>	But the code comments *are* recent changes on MediaWiki.org
[01:40:11] <Simetrical>	Splarka, it's not spam, it's some of the most significant changes on the site.
[01:40:34] <Simetrical>	Much more important than someone incrementing the frowny face next to "my broken rewrite method #241".
[01:40:36] <werdnum>	And as Simetrical says, they're important -- far more important than Joe Random asking a question about how to get Obscure Extension working on his site.
[01:40:44] <Marybelle>	Meh. Splarka's right. RC shows wiki changes. No need to spam it with non-wiki-related stuff...
[01:40:45] <Splarka>	heh, except they're not treated as such
[01:40:54] <Splarka>	they aren't even on the RC
[01:40:57] <Simetrical>	Code reviews should *be* more wiki-related.
[01:40:59] <werdnum>	But they *are* recent wiki changes.
[01:41:02] <werdnum>	They're on the wiki.
[01:41:03] <Marybelle>	Far more important? Nonsense.
[01:41:07] <Splarka>	how are automatic account creation log entries hidden?
[01:41:11] <Splarka>	they're not marked bot
[01:41:23] <Splarka>	(or at lesat, hidebots=0 doesn't show them)
[01:41:26] <Simetrical>	Code reviews are sort of detached from the whole rest of the wiki in a way they shouldn't be, it seems to me.
[01:41:43] <Splarka>	Simetrical: should all commits appear in the rc too?
[01:42:07] <werdnum>	It seems somewhat reasonable.
[01:42:12] <Splarka>	since the comments and status changes are like edits and log entries, the commits should appear like <span class="newpage">N</span>
[01:42:18] <alexclemesha>	Has anyone recently used any Python tools to parse a Wiki XML dump?  Any suggestions on going about this? thanks.
[01:42:19] <Simetrical>	Splarka, sure, why not?
[01:42:25] <Splarka>	seems odd *shrug*
[01:42:30] <Marybelle>	Simetrical: It seems to me that putting the system in the wiki in first place was an odd choice.
[01:42:35] <Marybelle>	+the
[01:42:44] <Simetrical>	Marybelle, meh, integration is good.
[01:42:59] <Marybelle>	Somewhat.
[01:43:03] <werdnum>	Marybelle: no, it's a great place to put it IMO.
[01:43:11] <Splarka>	<span class="newpage">N</span> [[Special:Code/12345]] [[developer:brion|brion]] /* revert revert revert */
[01:43:54] <brion>	Marybelle: when all your have is a hammer... ;)
[01:43:58] <Marybelle>	CodeReview seems like a separate program from MediaWiki, not like an extension. Regardless of reality. ;-)  Though integration is nice with things like user DBs.
[01:44:05] <Marybelle>	Exactly.
[01:44:07] <brion>	existing web framework, authentication system, bla bla bla, it's handy enough to build things in it
[01:44:29] <Marybelle>	But that doesn't mean there's a need to flood RecentChanges. :P
[01:44:36] <werdnum>	It isn't "flooding"
[01:44:44] <werdnum>	It's exactly the sort of thing that should be appearing in recent changes.
[01:44:48] <Splarka>	so, comments and status changes could be logs, easily, as they are on the wiki, but commits? how do you attach a user to those as they are off-wiki?
[01:44:53] <Marybelle>	Of course it is. A whole new wave of things coming in...
[01:44:55] <Marybelle>	That's a flood.
[01:45:02] <Splarka>	it is only a flood during code review
[01:45:13] <werdnum>	Splarka: We attach user accounts to committers.
[01:45:15] <Splarka>	revert, rollback, back off, undo, back out, pull out, save server kitties
[01:45:24] <alexclemesha>	I'm attempting to parse "pages-articles.xml" (current revisions only) from Wikipedia ... anyone have experience doing this?
[01:45:28] <werdnum>	Nobody ever considers the client kitties.
[01:45:30] <Marybelle>	There are already separate Special: pages for this type of thing. Just link to the them from the sidebar...
[01:45:34] <brion>	Splarka: you could use the on-wiki account where we've attached them. wehre not we could use a dummy user
[01:45:40] <Splarka>	werd: so every committer has to have a matching user account on mediawiki.org or... what happens if they don't?
[01:45:41] <Splarka>	ahh
[01:45:48] <Splarka>	so a 'local' named but userid=0 user
[01:45:53] <werdnum>	Splarka: There's an attachment process.
[01:45:59] <brion>	alexclemesha: have you googled around?
[01:46:09] <brion>	http://www.google.com/search?q=wikipedia+xml+dump+python&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
[01:46:27] <alexclemesha>	yes, i have :)
[01:47:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) more "jump to" accessibility links needed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13765  (10jidanni)
[01:47:03] <alexclemesha>	i just haven't found a clear (straightforward) way of doing it yet ...
[01:47:10] <CIA-59>	03tparscal * r46309 10/trunk/extensions/DataCenter/ (8 files in 4 dirs): Added export functionality. The widget and processing are generic enough for any table, but it only serves a purpose on assets right now.
[01:48:23] *Splarka 	ponders: commits shown as dummy user (like svn_commits) log entries to Special:Log/code, comments as edits to page [[Special:Code/xxx]] by the user, and status changs as log entries also to Special:Log/code but by that user?
[01:49:40] <brion>	alexclemesha: you could use the mwdumper java library from python code in jython. :) an old example of mine: http://leuksman.com/misc/templates/counter.py
[01:50:26] <alexclemesha>	brion:cool, im checking it out right now
[01:51:17] <CIA-59>	03skizzerz * r46310 10/trunk/phase3/includes/UploadFromUrl.php: * fix method call
[01:53:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Activate Collection Extension for generating PDF on all Wikisources - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15970  +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[02:02:13] <CIA-59>	03werdna * r46311 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/Views/AbuseFilterViewList.php: Remove something non-mysql compat for now. We'll re-add it properly tomorrow.
[02:05:25] <Danny_B>	what is the method to get page's wikitext?
[02:05:31] <werdnum>	With what?
[02:06:11] <werdnum>	In MediaWiki PHP, $article->getContent()
[02:06:16] <werdnum>	http://mwref.werdn.us/#
[02:07:30] <Danny_B>	werdnum: thx. btw i started typing and it does nothing...
[02:07:40] *werdnum 	shrugs.
[02:07:48] <werdnum>	Maybe a non-supported browser :)
[02:08:08] <Danny_B>	firefox?
[02:08:16] <werdnum>	hm
[02:08:19] *werdnum 	shrugs.
[02:08:20] <Danny_B>	2.0.0.18
[02:08:28] <werdnum>	Maybe you typed something that didn't work, or FF2 has JS bugs.
[02:09:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) more "jump to" accessibility links needed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13765  (10jidanni)
[02:09:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Activate Collection Extension for generating PDF on the French Wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16178  summary (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[02:09:11] <Danny_B>	give me some working string and i'll test it
[02:09:38] <werdnum>	Database::insert
[02:10:08] <Danny_B>	nothing happened :-/
[02:10:13] <werdnum>	hm.
[02:10:17] <werdnum>	Maybe FF2 sucks then :)
[02:11:14] <Danny_B>	i doubt. i'll try other browser
[02:11:18] <Simetrical>	Why are you still using Fx2?
[02:11:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Collection layout is broken on some languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16133  +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[02:11:48] <Danny_B>	Simetrical: ff3 consumes about 2x more memory and falls a lot
[02:11:59] <Simetrical>	Fx3 uses less memory for most people . . .
[02:12:09] <werdnum>	FF3 works far better than FF2 did.
[02:12:11] <werdnum>	for me, at least.
[02:12:36] <Danny_B>	not for me. clean ff of course does, but i have about 70 extensions
[02:12:50] <Simetrical>	. . .
[02:12:57] <Simetrical>	Well, yeah, that will be pretty slow, then.
[02:13:01] <Danny_B>	werdnum: ie6 also did not do anything. let's try opera
[02:13:08] <werdnum>	That's a fault of extensions, not firefox :0
[02:13:10] <werdnum>	:)*
[02:13:16] <brion>	werdnum: ok updating extensions/AbuseFilter/Views/AbuseFilterViewList.php
[02:13:23] <werdnum>	yay
[02:14:14] <Danny_B>	werdnum: well the extensions work with ff2 correctly and obviously consume much less memory than in ff3 
[02:14:50] <Danny_B>	besides while having memory leak extension on in ff3 i can't work because it pops up every second while in ff2 just once a time
[02:15:44] <brion>	w00t
[02:16:08] <Danny_B>	yeah opera works. mybe you just don't use crossbrowser stuff ;-)
[02:17:41] <angel>	hello anyone here?
[02:18:20] <Danny_B>	!ask | angel 
[02:18:20] --mwbot--	angel: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[02:20:01] <Danny_B>	mwbot: you fool! you scared angel!
[02:22:26] <p858snake>	i want to hit people in the mailing list post, its not a dress ffs >.<  </ random>
[02:27:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Excluding specific categories from Special:UnusedCategories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17145  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[02:32:00] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Allow cross-wiki article collection per Collection extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17168 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[02:33:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow cross-wiki article collection per Collection extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17168  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[02:34:07] <brion-away>	time to head home :D
[02:35:19] <Danny_B>	werdnum: $article->getContent() worked well, but it would be hard to work with the output. is there anything what would give me the wikitext content of template like it was transcluded?
[02:36:49] <Danny_B>	say template foo contains {{#date:dmY}}<noinclude>hello</noinclude> - so i need to get "{{#date:dmY}}" but not the entire content nor 27012009
[02:39:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow cross-wiki article collection per Collection extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17168  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[03:09:21] <CIA-59>	03aaron * r46312 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/specialpages/RevisionReview_body.php: Minor sync check improvement
[03:14:02] <CIA-59>	03aaron * r46313 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialPreferences.php: Tweak r46117 to check $wgAllowUserCss, $wgAllowUserJs
[03:21:27] <CIA-59>	03aaron * r46314 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: Add r46119
[03:22:27] <Danny_B>	why $parser->recursiveTagParse( $parser->preprocess( "{{foo}}", $title_obj, $options ) ); returns screwed output different from $parser->recursiveTagParse( "{{foo}}" )? shouldn't that be same?
[03:23:21] <TimStarling>	no, you can't feed preprocessor output back into the input
[03:23:32] <TimStarling>	you're meant to just run it once
[03:23:42] <TimStarling>	besides, it helps with efficiency if you do things once only
[03:25:07] <CIA-59>	03aaron * r46315 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: 
[03:25:07] <CIA-59>	* Moved block log item under "fixes"
[03:25:07] <CIA-59>	* Added r46158
[03:25:11] <TimStarling>	<TimStarling> no, you can't feed preprocessor output back into the input
[03:25:11] <TimStarling>	 you're meant to just run it once
[03:25:43] <TimStarling>	also preprocess() is an entry point and will call clearState()
[03:25:50] <TimStarling>	so obviously you can't call it from a tag hook
[03:28:39] <CIA-59>	03aaron * r46316 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: Added r46171, r46175
[03:28:52] <Danny_B>	TimStarling: aha. so what is the proper way to get wikitext content of the template like it was transcluded,modify it and then return something?
[03:28:54] <Danny_B>	where something is the output of <tag>
[03:28:56] <Danny_B>	this is my first digging into parser so i'm way so confused by everything :-/
[03:30:02] <TimStarling>	use a parser function
[03:30:11] <TimStarling>	tag hooks suck
[03:30:23] <TimStarling>	well, for some things, this being one of them
[03:31:14] <TimStarling>	are you sure you want to modify the template between preprocessing and main pass?
[03:31:31] <TimStarling>	maybe you should tell me about your application
[03:31:57] <Danny_B>	yes. because <tag> can't handle <noinclude> so i have to go around 
[03:32:12] <Danny_B>	ok here's what i'm trying to do
[03:32:35] <Danny_B>	template contains:
[03:32:41] <CIA-59>	03aaron * r46317 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: More updates
[03:33:02] <Danny_B>	actually,i'll put it in pastebin to not flood the channel. gimme a minute
[03:34:56] <TimStarling>	maybe you should find a faster pastebin
[03:36:34] <AaronSchulz>	heh
[03:39:56] <TimStarling>	you could send me an email
[03:40:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change the name of Pashto Wikipedia to its transcription - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17166  -bot-interface +shell; summary (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[03:43:34] <Danny_B>	our provider has countrywide problems today :-/
[03:47:02] <CIA-59>	03aaron * r46318 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/specialpages/Stabilization_body.php: Expiry submission fixes
[04:02:36] <CIA-59>	03aaron * r46319 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevision.php: Make pristine precedence actually work if set
[04:04:30] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Pristine revisions should override quality revisions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17157  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[04:08:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Interwiki code for mzn wikipedia is wrong - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11457  (10ali1986)
[04:09:53] <CIA-59>	03werdna * r46320 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/AbuseFilter.parser.php: Fix use of instance methods in nextToken, which is a static method.
[04:21:38] <Stanlin>	Help!
[04:21:42] <Stanlin>	how to make a link?
[04:22:37] <werdnum>	[[page to link to|link text]]
[04:22:38] <kirjain_X>	!link | Stanlin 
[04:22:38] --mwbot--	Stanlin: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Link
[04:31:08] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Feature Request: Transclusion Preprocessing Hook - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17131   +need-review +patch; +comment (10nyphbl8d)
[04:32:17] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Collection extension [external] (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17169 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[04:32:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) [[Section::...]] variables - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1605  +comment (10nyphbl8d)
[04:32:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Feature Request: Transclusion Preprocessing Hook - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17131  (10nyphbl8d)
[04:33:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Collection extension [external] (info) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17169  summary (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[04:43:39] <ekimmargni>	TimStarling: Did you see https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16591 ? I've found two more videos which do the same sort of thing.
[04:44:10] <ekimmargni>	If it's useful, I could get you specific data which might help figure that out in the future.
[04:44:23] <ekimmargni>	I'm not sure what information would be needed or helpful to you.
[04:46:26] <TimStarling>	since when is a 67MB video "extremely large"?
[04:47:01] <ekimmargni>	IIRC, that summary was suggested to me. And it is large compared to files before the upload limit was increased.
[04:47:18] <ekimmargni>	Bugzilla might not be a wiki, but you can still fix it XD
[04:48:08] <Marybelle>	67MB of video on a WMF wiki? That's enormous.
[04:48:40] <werdnum>	not really
[04:48:53] <Marybelle>	For the current video playing code? Sure it is.
[04:49:12] <ekimmargni>	FWIW, the original is >300MB so no it's not extremely large
[04:51:06] <Marybelle>	http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:USNPS_-_Inauguration_2009.ogg Does this play smoothly for anyone?
[04:53:14] <m-c>	actually plays with not even a hiccup here  :)  01:00 so far..
[04:53:46] <Marybelle>	Huh. 
[04:54:04] <ekimmargni>	plays with horrible horrible buffering :)
[04:54:35] <m-c>	the FiOS connection here probably helps
[04:54:52] <Marybelle>	Hmm. Works better when I reloaded the page.
[04:55:05] <Marybelle>	Play / pause seems to be wonky, though.
[04:57:04] <m-c>	Yeah -- played throught the whole thing without issue.  The pause / play caused a second long stutter, but it recovered.
[04:57:16] <TimStarling>	<Marybelle> For the current video playing code? Sure it is.
[04:57:18] <TimStarling>	how do you know the bug has anything to do with the length?
[04:58:03] <Marybelle>	I wasn't talking about a bug.
[04:58:21] <Marybelle>	I was speaking generally about the video player.
[04:59:16] <TimStarling>	sure
[04:59:17] <Marybelle>	Is there a bug open about the video player not having a "loaded" bar?
[04:59:17] <Marybelle>	Like YouTube and other video players have?
[05:00:29] <m-c>	Is there a maximum recommended file size?
[05:00:36] <TimStarling>	no
[05:00:46] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED)  Parameters are not checked for plausibility before log entry is generated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14423  (10JSchulz_4587)
[05:00:48] <m-c>	or bitrate?
[05:00:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Parameters are not checked for plausibility before log entry is generated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14423  (10JSchulz_4587)
[05:01:06] <TimStarling>	presumably if the bitrate is high enough, nobody will be able to play it
[05:01:12] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Remove [Mark as patrolled] link for already patrolled revisions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17104  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[05:01:13] <TimStarling>	but don't let that stop you
[05:01:22] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) mw-redirect links in special:contributions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17106  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[05:01:48] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Sort user list according to account creation time - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3301  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[05:01:52] <Marybelle>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11252
[05:01:58] <Marybelle>	"11252 Cortado buffering is not robust and not sensitive to download speeds, bufferSize param does not appear to work."
[05:02:05] <Marybelle>	That's pretty much what I'm talking about.
[05:02:20] <m-c>	So, I encoded two videos with ffmpeg2theora -- neither are working.  Did ekimargni mention this to you?
[05:02:43] <timofonic>	Hi
[05:02:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Sort user list according to account creation time - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3301  (10JSchulz_4587)
[05:03:00] <ekimmargni>	no
[05:03:03] <m-c>	first two videos in this category: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Politics_videos
[05:03:17] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Whatlinkshere doesn't reflect changes in templates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17170 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (AndrewHowse)
[05:03:43] <timofonic>	I tried to install Template:Cite patent on Mediawiki 1.13.3 but not works, not sure if I installed all the template dependencies 
[05:03:48] <m-c>	maybe there is something in the encoding format that is not favorable to cordiva?
[05:03:56] <timofonic>	This is the template http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Cite_patent
[05:04:27] <timofonic>	And this is the horrid result... http://wiki.scummvm.org/index.php/Template:Cite_patent
[05:05:21] <p858snake>	they best way to install templates is to use [[Special:Export]] on wiki and then use [[Special:Import]] on your wiki
[05:05:45] <p858snake>	!e ParserFunctions | timofonic
[05:05:45] --mwbot--	timofonic: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserFunctions
[05:06:32] <Shivan>	What is wikicode for something similiar to $+ on mIRC?
[05:06:36] <m-c>	TimStarling: reading your "crackpot theories" wiki page, by the way :-)
[05:07:11] <m-c>	anyway, if you have any idea how I can fix the videos to work on wikimedia,, then I will re-encode them
[05:07:14] <CIA-59>	03werdna * r46321 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/ (AbuseFilter.class.php Views/AbuseFilterViewList.php): Remove stray 'return' which was breaking hit counters.
[05:07:15] <ekimmargni>	Shivan: What does $+ do in mirc?
[05:07:26] <Shivan>	Removes the whitespace
[05:07:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Extremely large videos don't play for some people - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16591  (10mikelifeguard)
[05:08:09] <Shivan>	For example $time $+ hi
[05:08:24] <Shivan>	It would print $timehi
[05:08:33] <ekimmargni>	not that I know of
[05:08:39] <Shivan>	:S
[05:08:41] <timofonic>	p858snake: I'm not Sysop :P