[00:05:51] <^demon>	"The server at localhost is taking too long to respond."
[00:05:56] <^demon>	:(
[00:06:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Totally overhaul the FlaggedRevs configuration variables - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17285  (10JSchulz_4587)
[00:09:30] <Simetrical>	^demon, "The server at localhost is refusing to serve your pages quickly so that it can lure you into upgrading it with new and expensive hardware.  To achieve better performance, threaten to unplug it and lock it in a cupboard for five years if it doesn't behave."
[00:09:51] <^demon>	Hehe.
[00:09:55] <Nikerabbit>	uuuh
[00:09:56] <^demon>	Apache wont start :-\
[00:10:06] <Nikerabbit>	needs more coffee?
[00:17:44] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r46668 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/language/FlaggedRevs.i18n.php: depreciated -> deprecated
[00:17:53] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) MediaWiki:review-logentry-dis probably incorrect - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17290  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[00:18:54] <Nikerabbit>	awwww
[00:41:51] <lymeca>	What skin file can I edit to change the icons on the bottom of mediawiki pages and the links they point to?
[00:42:02] <lymeca>	th banners on either side of the bottom of the page
[00:42:08] <lymeca>	the mediawiki logo, etc.
[00:43:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[00:43:58] <cirwin>	lymeca: Monobook.php
[00:47:27] <lymeca>	cirwin: Not in there it seems.
[00:47:44] <cirwin>	well, the logo is a configuration option
[00:48:03] <cirwin>	the top-left one
[00:48:49] <lymeca>	Ah,  meant the bottom ones
[00:50:35] <Splarka>	function getCopyrightIcon() and function getPoweredBy()  in Skin.php
[00:51:04] <Splarka>	you can see what configuration controls them there too
[00:51:15] <Splarka>	like $wgCopyrightIcon
[00:56:16] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r46669 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/languages/MV_Messages.php: Remove 'mv_match', 'mv_match_text', 'mv_match_text_one' because unused. Could not find these in sources.
[00:59:34] <^demon>	Out of curiosity, I wonder why $wgRightsText isn't i18n'd.
[01:00:23] *Splarka 	belatedly points lymeca to Skin.php
[01:04:53] <Simetrical>	Whoa, svn:externals looks freaky.
[01:05:02] *werdnum 	waves
[01:10:06] <DeSian>	geshi.css
[01:10:14] <DeSian>	!geshi.css
[01:10:14] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "geshi.css".
[01:10:22] <DeSian>	:?
[01:10:48] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r46670 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Correct special page in 'accmailtext'
[01:10:53] <Simetrical>	!botnoob
[01:10:53] --mwbot--	I don't know everything about everything. I am mostly for lazy experienced users to echo quick answers to very common mediawiki questions. Please don't randomly experiment with me for help. Everything I know is at http://tools.wikimedia.de/~amidaniel/botbrain.html and you can visit #mwbot or privately message me.
[01:11:03] <Simetrical>	DeSian, did you have a question about Geshi.css?
[01:11:03] <Splarka>	!rar | Simetrical
[01:11:03] --mwbot--	Simetrical: rar
[01:11:11] <DeSian>	Simetrical: yes
[01:11:25] <Splarka>	(translation: that's my most popular bot alias <3)
[01:12:19] <Simetrical>	DeSian, then you should probably ask it.
[01:14:47] <bahaa2008>	i need a bot linking my wiki with requests with article names on irc channel
[01:15:14] <Simetrical>	That sentence made no sense to me.
[01:15:17] <cirwin>	bahaa2008: huh?
[01:15:19] <bahaa2008>	like unilinky on #wikipedia-ar
[01:15:23] <cirwin>	ah
[01:15:34] <cirwin>	ask it's owner for the code
[01:15:47] <cirwin>	or I can give you a module for the phenny python IRC bot that does it
[01:15:56] <bahaa2008>	it's related to wikimedia
[01:16:12] <bahaa2008>	yes
[01:16:19] <bahaa2008>	that's what i need
[01:16:30] <cirwin>	ok
[01:16:37] <Prodego>	!love
[01:16:37] --mwbot--	I love MediaWiki, and I love you too.
[01:16:38] <bahaa2008>	i have supybot
[01:17:07] <bahaa2008>	bot written on python to
[01:17:15] *Simetrical 	gets "I Love You" from Barney the Purple Dinosaur in his head
[01:17:23] *Simetrical 	is distressed that he still remembers it
[01:17:30] <bahaa2008>	i can run any bot that have such plugins
[01:18:17] <cirwin>	bahaa2008: http://pastebin.com/m4a5d32cd
[01:19:25] <bahaa2008>	thanks
[01:19:39] <bahaa2008>	but how to use it as a plugin
[01:19:43] <bahaa2008>	is it easy
[01:19:52] <cirwin>	I don't know, that is a module for the phenny bot
[01:19:54] <cirwin>	as I said
[01:20:05] <bahaa2008>	i have bot that accepts plugins
[01:20:08] <bahaa2008>	thanks
[01:20:16] <bahaa2008>	i'll give it a try
[01:20:17] <cirwin>	the chances are they use different plugin formats
[01:20:20] <cirwin>	ok
[01:20:50] <Nappz>	Hey guys, maybe I'm just stupid, but I am new to Mediawiki and I want to put a language bar on the pages in my wiki, like the one on the pages of mediawiki's wiki.  I was reading Template:Languages, but I don't understand what I have to do.  from what I understand I have to add that template to my wiki, but how do I go about doing that?
[01:21:54] <bahaa2008>	cirwin, how can i test it as python script
[01:22:01] <bahaa2008>	sorry 
[01:22:03] <cirwin>	bahaa2008: you can't
[01:22:20] <bahaa2008>	what do u mean ?
[01:22:31] <cirwin>	it does not work
[01:22:36] <cirwin>	unless you have phenny
[01:22:49] <cirwin>	you can steal the code from it to make a plugin for your bot
[01:22:55] <bahaa2008>	i mean how to test it
[01:23:04] <cirwin>	download phenny
[01:23:11] <cirwin>	and read the instructions provided
[01:23:24] <Splarka>	Nappz: can you link to an example?
[01:23:42] <Nappz>	Splarka: you mean of the language bar?
[01:23:54] <Nappz>	I believe it is on every mediawiki page
[01:24:10] <DeSian>	why her is JAVA code with background and border but the C# cod not? http://www.chawg.org/wiki/index.php?title=CSS
[01:24:10] <Nappz>	It says Languages, and has a picture of a mini-globe on it
[01:24:46] <Splarka>	is it here? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:BlankPage
[01:25:10] <Nappz>	Splarka: No.
[01:25:20] <Splarka>	please link to a page it appears on then ^_^
[01:25:34] <Nappz>	If you go to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki you will see it near the bottom
[01:25:44] <cirwin>	Nappz: I think you mean the "interwiki" links/
[01:25:50] <Splarka>	right, just a simple template
[01:25:51] <cirwin>	the box with the "languages" heading?
[01:26:05] <DeSian>	any idea?
[01:26:08] <Nappz>	Yeah, but where do I get the template code for it?
[01:26:09] *cirwin 	shuts up
[01:26:21] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:Languages
[01:26:44] <Nappz>	Already read that page, but I don't see any copy&paste code for the template
[01:27:43] <Splarka>	it is a bit specialized to that wiki
[01:28:24] <Nappz>	Yeah, is there anywhere I can find it where it is not specialized to a certain wiki?
[01:28:29] <Splarka>	what it does, at a quick glance, is check the current page name for subpages of valid language codes
[01:28:51] <Splarka>	so if Page/fr exists, it creates a link to it and titles it Fran�ais
[01:28:56] <Splarka>	well
[01:29:01] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) MediaWiki:Dberr-usegoogle requires html markup - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17296 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (bugzilla.wikimedia)
[01:29:09] <Splarka>	Templates aren't standard, each wiki creates their own for their needs
[01:29:19] <Nappz>	Ah, I see
[01:29:32] <Nappz>	Alright, thanks. 
[01:29:33] <Splarka>	that box was manually constructed from wikicode, html, and parserfunctions
[01:29:53] <Splarka>	you can copy the style and image, but you might not have need of all the automated page checking inside it
[01:30:13] <Simetrical>	Heh, Google is turning Firefox into Chrome?  http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/01/google-toolbar-in-firefox-personalized.html
[01:30:19] <bahaa2008>	cirwin, is this normal http://pastebin.com/m1f85daef
[01:30:43] <cirwin>	yup
[01:30:47] <Nappz>	Which code would I use to copy and modify to my needs? The part under the sourcecode of Template:Languages under == Template ==
[01:30:47] <Splarka>	Nappz: do you need to be able to put a template on your pages, that will then check for subpages of that page automatically to link to translations?
[01:30:51] <cirwin>	but if I were you, I'd disable most of the modules
[01:31:10] <Nappz>	Splarka: Yes, thats what I am looking for
[01:31:25] <bahaa2008>	cirwin, you replayed on me ?
[01:31:33] <Splarka>	then you'll wanna export that template with all dependencies, and images, and install/enable ParserFunctions
[01:31:34] <cirwin>	bahaa2008: yes
[01:31:39] <bahaa2008>	ok
[01:31:47] <p858snake>	!mw.ask
[01:31:47] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "mw.ask".
[01:31:59] <Nappz>	Ok, I export it from Special:Export?
[01:32:07] <p858snake>	oh so mwbot is back >.>
[01:32:10] *Splarka 	checks the dependencies
[01:32:15] <Nappz>	the entire Template:Languages page?
[01:32:18] <cirwin>	bahaa2008: in my default.config I have enable = ['startup','wikilink']
[01:33:55] <Splarka>	hmm
[01:34:43] <bahaa2008>	cirwin, it keeps trying to connect 
[01:34:55] <bahaa2008>	cirwin, but nothing happen
[01:34:59] <Splarka>	Nappz: looks like you just need http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Languages&action=edit and http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Languages/Lang&action=edit
[01:35:08] <Splarka>	and then ParserFunctions extension, and that image
[01:35:14] <Splarka>	and maybe some site-wide CSS
[01:35:21] <cirwin>	bahaa2008: probably not configured correctly
[01:35:58] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css  -> /* Language template */
[01:36:08] <bahaa2008>	cirwin, can u help me with configuration or u r busy now?
[01:36:52] <cirwin>	bahaa2008: come to #phenny
[01:37:09] <Nappz>	Ok
[01:37:17] <Nappz>	Thanks : Sparkla
[01:37:24] <Nappz>	err Splarka*
[01:37:44] <Marybelle>	Sparkplug.
[01:39:58] <Nappz>	And, where would I put the CSS?
[01:40:25] <Splarka>	in your own MediaWiki:Common.css page
[01:43:15] <Nappz>	Ok
[01:47:00] <Nappz>	Splarka: Thanks alot, it works great :D
[01:47:04] <Splarka>	rar
[01:48:37] <bahaa2008>	cirwin, thanks very much
[01:48:44] <cirwin>	no problem
[02:16:36] <werdnum>	MediaWiki isn't a Web 2.0 thing, it's a Web 1.10 thing.
[02:18:05] <Prodego>	werdnum: I woudl have thought it was a Web 1.15alpha thing
[02:26:26] <Simetrical>	werdnum, wikis are like the essence of Web 2.0.
[02:26:42] <malafaya>	why isn't MWNamespace part of the Doxygen docs?
[02:27:45] <malafaya>	how can i get the Handler Class for a namespace?
[02:28:39] <Marybelle>	Simetrical: True, but in MediaWiki's case, it's like 1.5. It rounds up to 2, but certainly falls short in certain areas.
[02:31:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553  +comment (10rememberthedot)
[02:39:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[02:47:35] <Nappz>	Splarka : Are you still on by any chance?
[02:48:19] <Splarka>	bit
[02:51:49] <Nappz>	oh
[02:51:50] <Nappz>	Hey
[02:52:54] <Nappz>	Theres a slight problem with the language bar.  from the english version, if I click say... the japanese version, the language bar on the japanese version only shows the language English and it is already bolded and slectected tso you cant click it
[02:53:02] <Nappz>	so*
[02:53:30] <malafaya_>	can someone tell me if a namespace class handler exists or ever existed?
[02:53:37] <malafaya_>	handler class
[02:54:31] <Prodego>	Splarka probably can, if Splarka is still here
[02:55:29] <Splarka>	Nappz: hmm
[02:56:58] <Splarka>	I think they cheat
[02:57:38] *Splarka 	checks some other pages
[02:58:11] <Splarka>	oh
[02:58:11] <Nappz>	How so?
[02:58:15] <Splarka>	right
[02:58:18] <Nappz>	?
[02:58:19] <Nappz>	lol
[02:58:33] <Splarka>	subpages, heh
[02:58:44] <Nappz>	Mhm. ?
[02:59:01] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgNamespacesWithSubpages
[02:59:11] <Splarka>	you have to put any namespaces you want that template to work with, into that array
[02:59:40] <Splarka>	or alternately, you might be able to just pass the base page as a template parameter
[02:59:49] <Splarka>	like {{Languages|Main page}} should work, in theory
[03:00:18] <Nappz>	Ok, ill the second sugguestion
[03:00:59] <Splarka>	{{#ifexist: {{#if: {{{2|}}} | {{{2}}} | {{#if: {{NAMESPACE}} | {{NAMESPACE}}:}}{{BASEPAGENAME}}}}/{{{1}}} | &nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;<span lang="{{{1}}}">{{#if: {{{2|}}}|[[{{{2}}}/{{{1}}}|{{#language:{{{1}}}}}]]| [[:{{NAMESPACE}}:{{BASEPAGENAME}}/{{{1}}}|{{#language:{{{1}}}}}]]}}</span>|<span></span>}}
[03:01:02] <Nappz>	That did the fix
[03:01:09] <Nappz>	Thanks again lol
[03:01:19] <Splarka>	if the parameter exists, then it uses that..
[03:01:23] <Splarka>	else it goes by the current page name
[03:01:32] <Nappz>	Yeah, Thanks
[03:01:36] <Splarka>	but in order to work with the current page name on the non-root page, it needs to know the BASEPAGENAME
[03:01:43] <Splarka>	but that magic word only works with subpaging enabled in main namespace
[03:01:53] <Splarka>	otherwise it'll always think it is in english
[03:01:59] <Splarka>	(or rather, contentlanguage)
[03:02:33] <Nappz>	Mhm =)
[03:04:01] <Splarka>	Prodego: http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/9282/vennsy7.jpg
[03:04:02] <Rob_La|bach>	has anyone ever seen this warning 'The file is corrupt or has an incorrect extension. Please check the file and upload again.'
[03:04:05] <Rob_La|bach>	when uploading an image?
[03:04:34] <Prodego>	Splarka: I thought you knew everything about everything :)
[03:04:41] <Prodego>	maybe just in comparison to me
[03:09:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) 1 year's worth of tickets missing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17279  (10tstarling)
[03:22:33] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add margins to printable css style - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17297 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Usage Statistics; (spidermannequin)
[03:35:50] <Rob_La|bach>	i guess no one ever got that file upload error
[03:36:18] <werdnum>	hmmmm?
[03:39:04] <Rob_La|bach>	 has anyone ever seen this warning 'The file is corrupt or has an incorrect extension. Please check the file and upload again.' when uploading any file?
[03:39:22] <werdnum>	I'm sure people have seen it
[03:39:27] <werdnum>	maybe you should ask your real question.
[03:41:23] <Rob_La|bach>	um...the question is...HOW DO YOU GET AROUND THAT
[03:41:36] <Rob_La|bach>	how do you fix it? if indeed it is a bug
[03:41:39] <werdnum>	You upload it with the right extension.
[03:41:41] <werdnum>	It isn't a bug.
[03:42:33] <Rob_La|bach>	ok it's the right extension
[03:42:46] <Rob_La|bach>	that's not the problem here
[03:42:51] <Rob_La|bach>	i think it's a mime problem
[03:42:54] <werdnum>	What extension is it?
[03:46:03] <Rob_La|bach>	png
[03:46:37] <Rob_La|bach>	go to the support page on MediaWiki and seach for 'Uploading of 'corrupt' files'
[03:47:11] <Rob_La|bach>	the explanation they are providing sounds like it's for linux
[03:55:14] <Simetrical>	A more specific error should probably be provided in this case.  I've seen this problem before.
[03:55:20] <Simetrical>	I can't remember the solution(s), though.
[03:56:25] <CIA-60>	03rarohde * r46671 10/trunk/extensions/ParserFunctions/Expr.php: 
[03:56:25] <CIA-60>	Adds explicit round-off checking to operations that are sensitive to floating point vs. integer round-off errors.
[03:56:25] <CIA-60>	Where applied, it assumes that any floating point number that is an integer to within one part in 10^10 should be replaced with that integer.
[03:57:34] <ST47>	In mediawiki, e^pi-pi really is 20.
[04:01:57] <Simetrical>	pi := 3.1
[04:02:47] <chuck>	why would a page keep having the wrong information for a Widgets extension widget even after I remove the Smarty compiled templates and run ?action=purge on it
[04:06:10] <chuck>	hmm maybe it's using memcached
[04:06:37] <chuck>	anyone know how to clear that?
[04:06:53] <Simetrical>	Restarting memcached would probably work.
[04:06:56] <Simetrical>	I dunno.
[04:07:16] <chuck>	I tried that earlier today, but it did not work, because I wasn't logged out (sessions are in memcached)
[04:31:18] <YurtleTheTurtle>	Hello all. I'm looking to modify the recent changes to pull the RC list from multiple wiki's... first question is.... is there an easy way to do this/has it been done? if not how hard would it be to do?
[04:33:31] <chuck>	Is there any way one can disable MediaWiki's behaviour of changing & to &amp;?
[04:34:02] <YurtleTheTurtle>	for what purpose?
[04:35:45] <werdnum>	chuck: Where does it change & to &amp;
[04:36:15] <chuck>	werdnum: in the Widgets extension
[04:36:34] <chuck>	I'm not sure if it's MediaWiki or something inside of that extension
[04:36:51] <YurtleTheTurtle>	MW changes & so it displays properly where it is nessary
[04:45:52] <chuck>	werdnum: It's just adding them with $parser->insertStripItem(), is that the problem?
[04:47:11] *werdnum 	doesn't know parsers.
[04:48:17] <werdnum>	sounds like double-escaping to me, though.
[04:48:45] <Skjackey_tse>	protect function fixed?
[04:49:09] <werdnum>	Should be.
[04:52:08] <chuck>	werdnum: looks to me like it's only escaping once
[04:55:16] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r46672 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.class.php: Use rev timestamp for autoreview
[04:57:43] <werdnum>	chuck: &amp; in display, or &amp; in HTML sauce?
[04:58:05] <chuck>	&amp; in output
[04:58:35] <chuck>	it's & in the source that it's trying to output
[04:59:35] <werdnum>	so &amp; is displayed?
[04:59:49] <chuck>	yes, &amp; is in View Source in my browser
[05:00:09] <werdnum>	oh so &amp; is in the SOURCE?
[05:00:12] <werdnum>	that's... normal?
[05:00:16] <werdnum>	What's the context?
[05:00:42] <chuck>	werdnum: It's the Widgets extension, you can put HTML into Widget:Whatever, then display it in a page like {{#widget:Whatever}}
[05:00:51] <chuck>	so it's useful for stuff like Twitter feeds, etc 
[05:00:56] <werdnum>	Okay, so what is the particular context of what you're doing here?
[05:01:06] <chuck>	you mean the code I'm trying to display?
[05:01:22] <werdnum>	yeah
[05:01:32] <chuck>	one sec
[05:01:38] <chuck>	http://pastie.org/376452
[05:02:03] <chuck>	and then http://test.yourwiki.net/wiki/Hagger is an example of the output (search for "openx" with your browser to find the part in question)
[05:02:35] <werdnum>	Which & are being escaped?
[05:03:23] <werdnum>	document.write ("?zoneid=13578&amp;target=_blank&amp;charset=ISO-8859-1&amp;withtext=1");
[05:03:26] <werdnum>	 ??
[05:03:30] <chuck>	all of them
[05:03:34] <werdnum>	Because those ampersands are *supposed* to be escaped.
[05:03:41] <werdnum>	You're supposed to escape ampersands in URLs.
[05:03:58] <chuck>	no, look at that line closely
[05:04:07] <chuck>	it's supposed to be a regular & to separate GET request values
[05:04:29] <werdnum>	Yes, so?
[05:04:35] <werdnum>	You are supposed to escape those ampersands, too.
[05:04:42] <werdnum>	in HTML, yes.
[05:04:57] <chuck>	I don't think so
[05:05:07] <werdnum>	Yes you are.
[05:05:11] <werdnum>	Definitely.
[05:05:16] <chuck>	when I replace &amp; with &, the code works, but when I leave it as &amp;, it does not work
[05:05:23] <werdnum>	Run unescaped and escaped versions through the w3c validator, and see what happens.
[05:05:32] <werdnum>	so, document.write is not what you're supposed to do
[05:05:39] <werdnum>	You should never use document.write in new code.
[05:05:56] <chuck>	you can't escape ampersands in URLs, the web server wouldn't know how to separate the GET values
[05:05:58] *Splarka 	is not sure if it is still the case, but with raw html there is/was an escape issue: <html><script>if(foo && bar) alert('win');</script></html>
[05:06:00] <werdnum>	s/so/also/
[05:06:25] <chuck>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Main%20Page&amp;action=edit
[05:06:32] <chuck>	werdnum: ^
[05:06:48] <chuck>	then replace &amp; with &
[05:06:58] <werdnum>	chuck: that's in a *URL*
[05:07:08] <chuck>	that document.write up there is a URL
[05:07:10] <werdnum>	in a URL which is put into HTML, you have to escape them.
[05:07:13] <chuck>	or it's for a URL i mean
[05:07:14] <werdnum>	No, it's a URL inside HTML
[05:07:29] <chuck>	it's a src="" for <script>
[05:08:15] <werdnum>	exactly
[05:08:18] <werdnum>	and those need to be escaped.
[05:09:52] <chuck>	if they need to be escaped, then how do you escape ampersands when you actually need to use them in the URL for something other than GET keys?
[05:10:23] <Dantman>	chuck, ^_^ you know if you just attempted to use the accepted method of dom manipulation to insert script tags instead of using depreciated document.write instead of arguing here, you wouldn't be having this issue... you're walking in the zone of unsave and uncertain
[05:11:10] <Dantman>	Where and when you escape things is actually dependant on the tags you are using around them
[05:11:50] <werdnum>	chuck: you urlencode them,
[05:11:59] <werdnum>	You NEVER escape an ampersand as &amp; in a URL
[05:12:04] <werdnum>	That's... an HTML entity
[05:12:11] <werdnum>	You percent-encode for URLs
[05:12:14] <Dantman>	And honestly in the case of script tags, this can be vastly different depending on your doctype, content type, and what special tags hlj
[05:12:20] <Dantman>	used in the script
[05:12:21] <chuck>	werdnum: src="" is a URL though..
[05:12:26] <MrZ-man>	%26
[05:12:32] <werdnum>	chuck: Yes, but it's a URL INSIDE HTML
[05:12:57] <werdnum>	If you put HTML tags in a GET parameter, you have to percent-encode them, not HTML entity encode them
[05:13:09] <werdnum>	even though it's HTML, it has to be percent-encoded for the URL too
[05:13:48] <chuck>	werdnum: all I know is that when the code is unmodified, it runs perfectly, and when the html encoded, it breaks (and that's trying it outside of mediawiki in Safari's simple snippet editor)
[05:13:57] <Dantman>	^_^ And now for the confusing fact... YOU'RE BOTH WRONG, in some aspects!
[05:14:11] <Dantman>	You're missing the third layer
[05:14:13] <werdnum>	Dantman: Oh great one, enlighten us with your wisdom.
[05:14:23] <chuck>	lol
[05:14:28] <qsheets>	lol
[05:15:01] <Dantman>	werdnum, is right that in a normal attribute tag the &amp; MUST be escaped... it's not valid markup if it's not (though some browsers will still read it)
[05:15:26] <Dantman>	The &amp; inside the href="" is read as a & in the url
[05:15:48] <Dantman>	However the complex issue here is that we're inside of a script tag
[05:15:54] <Dantman>	Remember CDATA?
[05:17:02] <Dantman>	Depending on things like what you put in the script tag (common practice is to add a commented cdata tag), and in some cases script tags actually have an implied CDATA without adding that tag
[05:17:27] <Dantman>	When used in this environment &amp; will be read as a &amp; not as an &
[05:17:57] <werdnum>	Dantman: It's a script tag inside a script tag.
[05:18:01] <werdnum>	It's a horrible hack :)
[05:18:06] <Dantman>	^_^ yup
[05:18:36] <werdnum>	And the script tag that's being inserted isn't being inserted inside a CDATA tag, hmm?
[05:18:39] <chuck>	in my defense, i didn't write the code
[05:18:50] <Dantman>	A) Whenever possible use external scripts to bypass the uncertanty on whether your script is being considered cdata or not
[05:19:32] <Dantman>	B) Use dom methods, not document.write... the former works in just about all browsers... the later is uncertain, unstable (depending on when called), depreciated, and not really a good idea for support
[05:20:21] *Splarka 	did have brion put importScriptURI into wikibits.js for a reason...
[05:20:31] <Dantman>	heh
[05:20:53] <Dantman>	^_^ I had wikia add a 3rd method to allow cross-wiki use as well
[05:21:14] <Splarka>	um...how does importScriptURI not do that?
[05:21:28] <Splarka>	is it a second-and-a-halfth method?
[05:21:40] <MrZ-man>	importScriptInterwiki?
[05:21:55] <Dantman>	MrZ-man, no not interwiki... it's just something for Wikia
[05:22:02] <Dantman>	importScriptPage was the name
[05:22:16] <Dantman>	importScriptName( 'WikiSwitch/code.js', 'dev' );
[05:22:59] <Splarka>	ew, interwiki import... need more rows in the interwiki map, 302 redirects with parameter preservation, and interwiki map as js global
[05:23:02] <Splarka>	or dirty dirty hacks
[05:23:59] <Dantman>	Splarka, sure you can use importScriptURI... (and import importScriptName does use importScriptURI) but this is just a simplification function to let a Wikia user import a script from another Wikia wiki without dealing with the fact of urlencoding and the pile of parameters you need to add
[05:24:27] <chuck>	can one assign an id to a <script> tag?
[05:24:51] <Splarka>	ahh, so very wikia specific
[05:25:06] <Dantman>	Splarka, the key point here, is to let people put userscripts on dev.wikia.com and use them wherever
[05:25:16] <Splarka>	lazy fskers
[05:25:53] <Dantman>	I already put my upgraded monaco version of WikiSwitch on there and let people use it
[05:30:11] <nolhay_laptop>	hey does anyone have the skype button for Extension:IM Status
[05:30:23] <nolhay_laptop>	i can't seem to get it to display online information
[05:30:30] <chuck>	Dantman: how am I supposed to use DOM if <script> can't have a dang id?
[05:31:21] <Dantman>	chuck, I've never had issues adding an id to a script tags... afact the system I made for work depends on it...
[05:32:15] <chuck>	Really? :<
[05:32:20] <chuck>	hrm
[05:32:26] <Dantman>	Sure in some cases a browser might reject you if you are trying to change the id on an already existing node... but there should be nothing stopping you from adding an id to a brand new node
[05:33:08] <Dantman>	The only kind of case I've seen like that... is with an <input/> and .type, and that was an IE specific issue with a usable workaround
[05:33:09] <chuck>	i'm just trying to use document.getElementById on a script node
[05:33:49] <Dantman>	Have you even inserted it into the dom yet?
[05:34:14] <chuck>	Dantman: http://pastie.org/376468
[05:34:20] <chuck>	not sure if i'm doing it right, but yeah
[05:35:03] *Dantman 	slaps chuck 
[05:35:13] <chuck>	oh wow
[05:35:15] <chuck>	i'm an idiot
[05:35:22] <Dantman>	idjit, inject new nodes... trying to modify the .src of a script fails on all accounts
[05:35:53] <chuck>	how do I do that? :'(
[05:35:57] <Dantman>	The JS of a script tag is run when the moment you inject the tag into the DOM... after that moment the script tag becomes absolutely useless
[05:36:09] <chuck>	I know how to with Prototype, but not with plain ol Javascript
[05:36:13] <Dantman>	Lemme swipe a piece of code from work
[05:37:06] <Dantman>	Oh wait... right... the dev server is offline... ^_^ heh
[05:38:35] <Dantman>	wait... why am I even going to bother writing this for you when all you need is a .src (my method allows injection of js code, not just a tag with a .src, it's a little more complex) and you can copy something that works from wikibits.js
[05:40:21] <Dantman>	My work at work was for something insanely dynamic
[05:41:19] <Dantman>	Involved massive manipulation of both script and style tags, remote, local, and even some that were fetched over xhr and then injected as separate tags
[05:42:05] <Dantman>	((^_^ Think sending a half dozen script and style tags over a single xhr request, and then injecting them all at once into the dom without worrying about a half dozen http requests)) heh
[05:43:16] <Splarka>	hmmm
[05:43:35] <Splarka>	var foo = importScriptURI()
[05:43:38] <Splarka>	foo.id = 'bar'
[05:46:41] <Dantman>	Why does it even need an id anyways?
[05:46:48] <Splarka>	for gadgets where I have the feasability to call importScript indefinitely, I have each new one kill the previous one
[05:47:00] <Splarka>	some browsers have a limit, or some shit
[05:47:28] <Splarka>	chuck: id?
[05:47:33] <Dantman>	Ya, but that's best handled in the importing or whatever special way
[05:51:51] <chuck>	blargh this code should work .-. http://pastie.org/376475
[05:55:25] <chuck>	the javascript that the src url that I build doesn't run though.. that's weird
[06:29:39] <YurtleTheTurtle>	What hooks should I look into using if I want to make an extension that uses a new tag type (like how SMW uses [[Prop::Value]])?
[06:33:09] <werdnum>	YurtleTheTurtle: dunno, a nice suggestion might be seeing how SMW does it.
[06:33:33] <YurtleTheTurtle>	I'm trying but its hard to find junk inside such a finished product
[06:33:53] <werdnum>	I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not
[06:34:00] <werdnum>	but usually you can tell just by reading the main extension file
[06:34:06] <Stanlin>	help, how to upload pictures?
[06:34:08] <Stanlin>	!pcutures
[06:34:08] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "pcutures".
[06:34:10] <Stanlin>	!picturex
[06:34:10] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "picturex".
[06:34:11] <werdnum>	look for $wgHooks['.*'][] = .*
[06:34:13] <Stanlin>	!pictures
[06:34:13] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "pictures".
[06:34:14] <werdnum>	!images | Stanlin 
[06:34:14] --mwbot--	Stanlin: For instructions to use images in MediaWiki, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images>. For more technical details about image uploads, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Image_Administration> and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads>. Note that uploads are disabled per default (see !uploads).
[06:34:19] <werdnum>	!botnoob | Stanlin 
[06:34:19] --mwbot--	Stanlin: I don't know everything about everything. I am mostly for lazy experienced users to echo quick answers to very common mediawiki questions. Please don't randomly experiment with me for help. Everything I know is at http://tools.wikimedia.de/~amidaniel/botbrain.html and you can visit #mwbot or privately message me.
[06:35:12] <YurtleTheTurtle>	I wasn't being sarcastic as much as I was... well lost :)
[06:36:35] <MrZ-man>	yay, mwbot2 is back
[06:37:06] <Skjackey_tse>	How to load data by username @ User Class?
[06:37:09] <Splarka>	http://google.com/codesearch?num=100&q=package:svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk+file:extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/+wghooks
[06:38:12] <Skjackey_tse>	newFromName ?
[06:38:20] <werdnum>	$wgHooks['InternalParseBeforeLinks'][] = 'SMWParserExtensions::onInternalParseBeforeLinks'; // parse annotations in [[link syntax]]
[06:38:24] <werdnum>	sounds about right
[06:38:26] <werdnum>	Skjackey_tse: yes
[06:38:30] <werdnum>	the data is lazy-loaded
[06:38:45] <werdnum>	meaning that if you use the accessor methods (getName, getId, etc), you don't have to worry about when it's actually loaded.
[06:39:18] <Skjackey_tse>	ok thanks
[06:50:56] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) uncategorized pages report speedup hack - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=449  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[07:29:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Some way to specify heading level for new sections - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9426  (10innocentkiller)
[07:29:23] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Some way to specify heading level for discussion sub-sections - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12115  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[07:32:03] <CIA-60>	03demon * r46673 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES config/index.php): 
[07:32:03] <CIA-60>	(bug 16555) Post installation screen has too many links to mw.org:
[07:32:03] <CIA-60>	* Made the logo link to your wiki's homepage (as you'd expect)
[07:32:03] <CIA-60>	* Removed largely useless link to mw.org homepage, plenty of other links to us as it is.
[07:32:09] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) The post-installation screen has too many links to MediaWiki. org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16555  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[07:51:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) dealing with large categories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1058   +testme; +comment (10innocentkiller)
[08:08:44] <runner123456>	hello need help on formatting wiki
[08:09:23] <runner123456>	actually i need to put up programs like C,C++ an all but the formatting doesnt seem to b alright
[08:09:33] <runner123456>	any help or suggestions?
[08:11:14] <Splarka>	tried wrapping in <pre>?
[08:11:26] <Splarka>	in a few minutes someone will suggest geshi to you, but start slow
[08:11:49] <^demon>	Splarka: I was suprised you didn't start with !geshi
[08:11:57] <Splarka>	*facepalm*
[08:12:22] <runner123456>	no ill do it
[08:12:24] <Splarka>	demon: start slow, if they learn how to use <pre> your source code here </pre> they're that much ahead, and prepared for if they want to dive in to a crazy extension
[08:12:30] <Splarka>	heh
[08:12:47] <Skjackey_tse>	how to check user exist?
[08:12:52] *Splarka 	syntax hilights ^demon
[08:13:36] <runner123456>	thank you
[08:13:38] <runner123456>	:)
[08:13:57] <^demon>	But GeSHi is so much nicer now :)
[08:14:02] *^demon 	hugs svn:externals
[08:18:37] <werdnum>	!geshi
[08:18:37] --mwbot--	there are several extensions for syntax highlighting, see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Syntax_highlighting - the most popular one is at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi
[08:18:39] *werdnum 	wins
[08:20:40] <^demon>	!werdnum
[08:20:40] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "werdnum".
[08:20:45] <^demon>	You wouldn't.
[08:21:30] <werdnum>	!"the missing piece of pie in the fridge"
[08:21:30] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about ""the". You might try: !wiki 
[08:21:51] <werdnum>	!the_missing_piece_of_pie_in_the_fridge
[08:21:51] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "the_missing_piece_of_pie_in_the_fridge".
[08:25:00] <Splarka>	!humor
[08:27:21] <runner123456>	an 1 more thing in the site fotter i want to put in a link where media wiki is there
[08:27:31] <runner123456>	like we support firefox
[08:27:43] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Double language redirects work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1656  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[08:27:58] <runner123456>	if there is a public page for this please help
[08:31:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Redirected links do not inherit stubbiness - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1711  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[08:31:50] <werdnum>	!humor is HUMOR IS STRICTLY FORBIDDEN
[08:31:50] --mwbot--	Successfully added keyword: humor
[08:32:06] <MrZ-man>	!werdnum
[08:32:06] --mwbot--	ewww!
[08:32:31] <Splarka>	...
[08:32:38] <Splarka>	I meant it wasn't funny
[08:32:53] <Splarka>	there is plenty of humor
[08:32:59] <^demon>	!humor
[08:32:59] --mwbot--	HUMOR IS STRICTLY FORBIDDEN
[08:33:11] <Splarka>	!#mediawiki
[08:33:11] --mwbot--	read the topic of this channel
[08:33:31] <Splarka>	!xampp
[08:33:31] --mwbot--	XAMPP is an easy to install bundle of Apache, MySQL, PHP, Perl, and more stuff, available for all popular operating systems - see <http://www.apachefriends.org/de/xampp.html>. For installing MediaWiki on XAMPP, see <http://tinyurl.com/2shgph> and also <http://www.nat32.com/xampp/wiki.htm>.
[08:33:36] <Splarka>	"easy"^ hahaha
[08:34:01] <^demon>	Splarka: We had 2 bugs this week supposedly in relation to XAMPP (at least the reporter claimed so)
[08:34:25] <Splarka>	also see !worstcase !wikipedia !chanspam !rar !gullible
[08:34:33] <Skjackey_tse>	how to check user exist?
[08:34:49] <Skjackey_tse>	@ user class
[08:35:15] <^demon>	Skjackey_tse: Easiest way, see if getId() returns > 0.
[08:35:37] <Skjackey_tse>	(username)
[08:35:41] <chuck>	!gullible
[08:35:41] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "gullible".
[08:35:44] <chuck>	aww snap
[08:35:47] <chuck>	;-)
[08:37:27] <^demon>	Skjackey_tse: If you've got a user object on hand, just call getId() and see if it's an integer > 0. If so, they exist. If it's <= 0 (although I can't see it being < 0), it's not a real user.
[08:37:48] <Skjackey_tse>	o.... thanks
[08:38:37] <^demon>	Alrighty, it's bedtime for me folks. Have a good one.
[08:39:00] <Skjackey_tse>	yeah ,done
[08:44:55] <Skjackey_tse>	http://pc.freexd.hk:8080/mywiki/index.php?title=首頁 < Why cannot display error msg?
[08:45:14] <Skjackey_tse>	http://pc.freexd.hk:8080/mywiki/index.php?title=MainPage
[08:46:27] <Skjackey_tse>	o ic
[08:51:21] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Cannot jump to a download of a branch - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16425  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[08:53:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Localized redirects do not work after a page move - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17276  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[08:57:08] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) set logo for soomali wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11973  +comment (10wikihelper2009)
[09:08:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "Move" tab should always be visible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17274  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[09:09:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Bug Article.php on line 1425 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17266  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[09:12:42] <CIA-60>	03demon * r46674 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialTags.php: (bug 17284) Fix broken msg calls. It's defined as tags-edit in all languages.
[09:12:48] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Broken message on Special:Tags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17284  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[09:14:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Users can be renamed to usernames forbidden on creation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17282  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[09:38:01] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) New function that determines whether a string is an IP address - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15352  +comment (10church.of.emacs.ml)
[09:42:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New function that determines whether a string is an IP address - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15352   +need-review +patch; +comment (10church.of.emacs.ml)
[10:04:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Grammaticalisation of esperanto talk page don't work everywhere - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7446  (10arno.raymond.lagrange)
[10:05:29] <CIA-60>	03nikerabbit * r46675 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialContributions.php: * Fix E_NOTICE for werdnum
[10:16:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) [regression] Localized redirects do not work after a page move - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17276  summary; +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[10:17:03] <Nikerabbit>	why isn't regression a valid keyword?
[10:24:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Bug Article.php on line 1425 - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17266  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[10:46:55] <Nikerabbit>	boring
[10:58:38] <omnivibe>	I am trying to move the wiki over to a new server... I've got the basic wiki displaying (with a few exceptions), but when I go to Special:Userlogin and log in, it tells me "No such action"
[11:13:36] <omnivibe>	fixed that, but now some page links show as "index.php?title= ...." while others use the short url method o_O
[11:15:07] <Nikerabbit>	purge caches?
[11:15:21] <omnivibe>	how do I do that?
[11:15:33] <Nikerabbit>	hmm
[11:15:55] <omnivibe>	I ran maintenance/update.php
[11:16:08] <Nikerabbit>	it is probably in faq somewhere
[11:20:55] <omnivibe>	when I edit the link, it still happens too though...
[11:27:59] <Mr-Fine>	hi
[11:28:35] <Mr-Fine>	anybody here who can help me with intersection please. ??/
[11:34:42] <Claudiu_Enache>	Do you consider that the hook http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/SkinAfterContent will be still available after final release of MW 1.14?
[11:36:23] <Mr-Fine>	anybody here who can help me with intersection please. ??/
[11:42:08] <Mr-Fine>	anybody here who can help me with intersection please. ??/
[11:42:40] <UsamaAkkad>	hello, can any one check this and tell me what is the problem http://ar.linux.yourwiki.net
[11:43:24] <Mr-Fine>	i want to create a new wiki in URDU language, what about messages in MW 1.13 ?
[11:45:01] <Mr-Fine>	Wuzur: Can you help me with Extension intersection please?
[11:45:13] <Mr-Fine>	i am looking for help since 6 days 
[11:45:57] <Wuzur|rhn>	just ask your question and I can see
[11:47:02] <UsamaAkkad>	hello http://ar.linux.yourwiki.net
[11:47:34] <Mr-Fine>	i want to show list of pages from various categoes on a single page using this extenstion
[11:48:21] <Mr-Fine>	i put  <DynamicPageList> category=Asia  </DynamicPageList>)  but 
[11:48:37] <Mr-Fine>	sometimes i am getting error pages and some time error
[11:48:49] <Mr-Fine>	but not list of pages in this category
[11:49:32] <Mr-Fine>	is there any other Extention is required to install to run this one ?
[11:51:59] <Mr-Fine>	UsamaAkkad: Your wiki is working fine.
[11:52:28] <UsamaAkkad>	will it looks with out style for me on firefox :(
[11:52:51] <Mr-Fine>	i can see it fine on IE
[11:53:09] *Mr-Fine 	recommend MediaWikians to use IE
[11:53:17] <UsamaAkkad>	:)
[11:53:27] <UsamaAkkad>	I tested it on IE too
[11:53:27] <Mr-Fine>	Wuzur ?
[11:53:29] <UsamaAkkad>	the same thing
[11:53:40] <Wuzur|rhn>	Mr-Fine: Sorry
[11:54:46] <Mr-Fine>	UsamaAkkad: You see snap?
[11:54:51] <Mr-Fine>	why Wuzur?
[11:54:55] <Mr-Fine>	you dont know ?
[11:55:04] <Wuzur|rhn>	yep
[11:55:11] <Mr-Fine>	oh dammit
[11:55:35] <Skjackey_tse>	firefox better
[11:56:08] <UsamaAkkad>	Mr-Fine: thanks :)
[11:56:31] <Mr-Fine>	how Sk?
[11:58:07] <Mr-Fine>	!mw
[11:58:07] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=`e1&go=Go
[11:58:22] <Mr-Fine>	when new version of mw will be available?
[11:58:53] <p858snake>	when it is ready
[11:59:06] <Mr-Fine>	any date?
[11:59:14] <p858snake>	not afaik
[11:59:32] <Mr-Fine>	you know about Extension:Intersection ?
[12:00:25] <p858snake>	nope, just ask your question and if someone does they will answer it
[12:00:41] <Mr-Fine>	i want to show list of pages from various categoes on a single page using this extenstion
[12:00:55] <Mr-Fine>	i put  <DynamicPageList> category=Asia  </DynamicPageList>)  but 
[12:01:05] <Mr-Fine>	sometimes i am getting error pages and some time error
[12:02:25] <omnivibe>	I'm very confused...
[12:02:27] <omnivibe>	http://72.167.115.53/wiki/Tel_Dan_Stele%2C_c._840_BCE?action=purge
[12:02:45] <omnivibe>	look at the links at the bottom... some have "index.php" some are just short urls...
[12:02:56] <omnivibe>	as if the wiki is shortening the urls randomly
[12:06:01] <Wuzur|rhn>	this is normal, you may want to use http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgActionPaths
[12:06:36] <omnivibe>	on the site I'm moving it from - http://cojs.org/cojswiki/Tel_Dan_Stele%2C_c._840_BCE - the problem does not exist
[12:08:48] <omnivibe>	Ah I see the problem... n/m, it's detecting that those pages don't exist, and for "action edit" it's what you said
[12:10:33] <omnivibe>	now, stranger, unicode isn't coming across correctly... *sigh*
[12:10:57] <omnivibe>	should I switch all the tables to utf8 in the old database before dumping and uploading?
[12:14:25] <Mr-Fine>	!hack
[12:14:25] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "hack". You might try: !hacker !hesaidsemantic 
[12:14:36] <Mr-Fine>	how can i hack skins :)
[12:15:04] <omnivibe>	Mr-Fine: it's slang, means to modify
[12:46:43] <Mr-Fine>	anybody who can help me with DPL ?
[12:49:08] <Mr-Fine>	anybody who can help me with DPL ?
[13:11:51] <Skjackey_tse>	how to add language select @ ext Special pages
[13:38:10] <Broc93>	hello all
[13:38:17] <Broc93>	can anyone help me?
[13:38:20] <Broc93>	Errore nella creazione della miniatura: <br />
[13:38:21] <Broc93>	<b>Warning</b>: passthru() has been disabled for security reasons in <b>/home/secondaa/public_html/wiki/includes/GlobalFunctions.php</b> on line <b>2030</b><br />
[13:38:26] <Broc93>	what's that error?
[13:42:37] <Duesentrieb_>	Broc93: it means that you are not allowed to run external programs from php scripts. so generating thumbnail images does not work as expected.
[13:42:54] <Duesentrieb_>	you can try to use the internal image processort (GD) instead of the external one (ImageMagick).
[13:43:00] <Duesentrieb_>	or ask your host to allow imagemagick.
[13:43:06] <Broc93>	Duesentrieb_: what can I do to avoid that problem?
[13:43:18] <Duesentrieb_>	$wgUseImageMagick = false; 
[13:43:21] <Broc93>	Duesentrieb_: uhm, how can I do that?
[13:43:27] <Broc93>	the first option :D
[13:43:31] <Broc93>	ah, ok
[13:43:32] <Broc93>	thanks!
[13:46:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) OTRS Language translation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14927  +comment (10cbrown1023)
[13:48:07] <Broc93>	thanks Duesentrieb_ 
[13:48:11] <Broc93>	it works now
[13:48:12] <Broc93>	:)
[13:49:00] <Duesentrieb_>	have fun :)
[13:52:18] <Shown>	after upgrading some pages seems to be removed and i've red links :| what happened? i used web installer
[13:55:59] <Duesentrieb_>	Shown: do you have custom namespaces? did you set the content language the same as before?
[13:56:01] <omnivibe>	I tried mysqldump --default-character-set=latin1, but still my unicode characters are coming out wrong when restoring mediawiki to another server
[13:56:10] <omnivibe>	:(
[13:56:27] <Duesentrieb_>	omnivibe: mysql is a bitch wrt charsets :(
[13:56:57] <Duesentrieb_>	omnivibe: but be very careful about how to determin if the chars are right or wrong... did you check in the wiki, or did you look at the db directly?
[13:57:07] <Duesentrieb_>	because the latter can easily be misleading.
[13:57:16] <omnivibe>	at the wiki
[13:57:23] <omnivibe>	http://72.167.115.53/wiki/Special:Search?search=How+I+discovered&go=Go
[13:57:32] <omnivibe>	"House of David" as smart quotes, or should
[13:57:35] <omnivibe>	:(
[13:58:52] <Duesentrieb_>	omnivibe: what version of mediawiki was the old site?
[13:59:14] <Duesentrieb_>	omnivibe: and which database schema option did you pick when installing (experimental utf8? or compatibility mode?)
[14:00:01] <Duesentrieb_>	omnivibe: hm, interesing: in the text body, it öooks like the chars are correct, it's only broken in the title. right?
[14:00:41] <omnivibe>	hah... yeah, your right... interesting!
[14:00:48] <omnivibe>	how do I see which version?
[14:00:55] <omnivibe>	I think .11
[14:01:16] <omnivibe>	and not sure where database schema I picked when originally installing
[14:02:01] <omnivibe>	$wgDBmysql5 = false;
[14:02:04] <omnivibe>	if that helps
[14:02:06] <Duesentrieb_>	well, the target site should use the compatibility mode. otherwise, things get... interesting.
[14:02:13] <Duesentrieb_>	yes, that's right
[14:02:27] <omnivibe>	where do I set compatibility mode?
[14:02:32] <Duesentrieb_>	if you just want to transfer content, you can always use an xml dump, by the way.
[14:02:43] <omnivibe>	eh?
[14:02:43] <Duesentrieb_>	$wgDBmysql5 = false; *is* compatibility mode.
[14:02:48] <omnivibe>	oh :(
[14:02:55] <Duesentrieb_>	!import
[14:02:55] --mwbot--	To import pages a few pages, use Special:Import - you can also import pages directly from another wiki (see !importsources). For mass imports, use importDump.php - see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Importing_XML_dumps> for details. NOTE: when using content from another wiki, follow the LICENSE TERMS, especially, attribute source and authors!
[14:03:08] <Duesentrieb_>	!export
[14:03:08] --mwbot--	To export pages from a wiki, navigate to Special:Export on the wiki, type in the names of the pages to export, and hit "export". See <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Export> for an example of this form. See also: !import
[14:03:26] <Duesentrieb_>	xml dumps let you transfer content between wikis, without having to worry about charset, or versions, or anything
[14:03:27] <omnivibe>	hmmm will this work better then mysqldump and mysql?
[14:03:33] <Duesentrieb_>	but only text. no images, no users, no logs, etc
[14:03:44] <Duesentrieb_>	well...
[14:03:59] <Duesentrieb_>	it's not "better" as such. it has a different purpose.
[14:04:25] <omnivibe>	I'm not worried about users or logs, but images is a problem..
[14:04:33] <Duesentrieb_>	the xml format is abstracted from the internal data structure. it's good for long term storage or for transferring stuff between wikis.
[14:04:42] <Duesentrieb_>	it's not good for "operational" backups.
[14:04:56] <omnivibe>	hmm
[14:05:06] <Duesentrieb_>	well, you have top copy image files separatly anyway.
[14:05:17] <Duesentrieb_>	you can rebuild the image table easily: refreshImages.php --missing
[14:05:24] <Duesentrieb_>	you get the description pages from the xml dump.
[14:05:31] <Shown>	[14:55:53] Duesentrieb_: Shown: do you have custom namespaces? did you set the content language the same as before?
[14:05:31] <Shown>	I had latin1_swedish_ci for old wiki and also for the new one
[14:05:51] <Shown>	my wiki is in italian and has special chars such as �l��
[14:05:51] <Duesentrieb_>	Shown: that's not a content language
[14:06:05] <Duesentrieb_>	that's the database character encoding
[14:06:07] <Duesentrieb_>	different issue
[14:06:24] <Shown>	the red links are those with italian letters
[14:06:36] <omnivibe>	well... before I worry about all this mess... why is it just a problem with the titles? that seems strange...
[14:06:41] <Duesentrieb_>	so it could be a charset issue
[14:06:49] <Duesentrieb_>	Shown: from what version did you uprade?
[14:06:55] <Shown>	1.11.1
[14:06:58] <Duesentrieb_>	omnivibe: i have no clue
[14:06:58] <Shown>	to 1.13.3
[14:07:04] <omnivibe>	o_O
[14:07:37] <omnivibe>	I'm goign to try another database dump... *sigh*... if that doesn't work, is there a way of listing all the page titles? might be easier to just change that by hand
[14:07:52] <Duesentrieb_>	Shown: hm... that should work... it sounds like something screwed with your charset, but i don't know what. did you re-import a database dump? or update the database itself, too?
[14:07:59] <Shown>	just deleted localsettings.php file, uploaded all files to ftp, did installation again, moved localsettings.php to root, did a merge with old localsettings.php file
[14:08:05] <Duesentrieb_>	omnivibe: Special:Allmessages
[14:08:10] <omnivibe>	Thanks
[14:08:16] <Duesentrieb_>	omnivibe: or select page_namespace, page_title from page,
[14:08:53] <omnivibe>	oooh was I supposed to delete localsettings.php? I just copied the old one and changed db info
[14:09:24] <Shown>	Duesentrieb_ collation of old and new database is different
[14:09:39] <Shown>	ill recreate a database with same collation
[14:10:14] <Duesentrieb_>	collation shouldn't be a problem. but you can try.
[14:10:21] <Duesentrieb_>	anyway, i have to go. sorry folks.
[14:10:26] <Shown>	np tnx
[14:10:30] <omnivibe>	thanks for your help
[14:43:52] <Merlissimo>	how can i get the language of an wiki? the language of an interwiki is shown in the interwikimap. But i need the language of the current wiki
[14:46:28] <Prodego>	!wb LanguageCode | Merlissimo 
[14:46:28] --mwbot--	Merlissimo: I don't know anything about "wb". You might try: !botnoob !chanspam !help !mwbot 
[14:46:31] <Prodego>	bleh
[14:46:33] <Prodego>	wg
[14:46:43] <Prodego>	!wg LanguageCode | Merlissimo 
[14:46:43] --mwbot--	Merlissimo: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgLanguageCode
[14:47:31] <Merlissimo>	my bot need the info
[14:50:09] <Merlissimo>	so that de.wikipedia.org return Deutsch and en.wikipedia.org English
[14:50:20] <Prodego>	oh for the api
[14:50:22] <Prodego>	let me check
[14:50:25] <Merlissimo>	i though of an system message or so
[14:50:32] <Merlissimo>	or api
[14:50:51] <Prodego>	well the most obvious thing for the mediawiki sites is in URL
[14:50:59] <Prodego>	sorry, /wikimedia/ not mediawiki
[14:51:13] <Prodego>	de.wikipedia has de right in the url
[14:51:50] <Merlissimo>	yes, but i need de.wikipedia.org => Deutsch an en.wikipedia => English
[14:52:19] <Prodego>	can't you just use de?
[14:52:30] <Prodego>	de is Deutsch, en is english
[14:53:05] <Prodego>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&meta=siteinfo will give you the language
[14:53:16] <Prodego>	but it gives the code, en, de, etc
[14:53:21] <Prodego>	and you know that from the URL anyway
[14:53:29] <Merlissimo>	that means the wiki itself down't know is own language, omly other wikis know because of ther interwikimap?
[14:54:09] <Prodego>	the data on what language a wiki is is stored as the ISO code
[14:54:30] <Prodego>	which is en, de, es, pt, no, and the like
[14:55:24] <Aleenf1>	i want to run maintenance using Extension:Maintenance
[14:55:30] <Merlissimo>	ok, then i need let the wiki parse {{#language:de}} - i though i could be easier
[14:55:34] <Aleenf1>	but i'm not sure how to do it
[14:57:34] <Aleenf1>	how to run maintenance script
[14:57:40] <Aleenf1>	someone can help me?
[14:58:04] <Prodego>	Aleenf1: I am not sure what that extension is, but normally the maintenance scripts are just run from the command line
[14:59:04] <Aleenf1>	so how to run script in normal way?
[14:59:22] <Prodego>	what script do you want to run?
[14:59:55] <Prodego>	Merlissimo: you could just build a table of the ISO codes, and parse it yourself
[15:00:35] <Aleenf1>	deleteoldrevisions
[15:02:03] <Aleenf1>	Prodego:How?
[15:03:48] <Prodego>	oh sorry, let me check
[15:04:15] <Prodego>	Aleenf1: are you /sure/ you want to do that
[15:04:26] <Aleenf1>	yes
[15:04:28] <Prodego>	that script will apparently delete the history of ever page
[15:04:39] <Prodego>	and it won't be retrievable 
[15:04:44] <Aleenf1>	yes
[15:04:54] <Prodego>	is it a private wiki?
[15:05:01] <Aleenf1>	yeap
[15:05:11] <Prodego>	ok, from the command line
[15:05:53] <Aleenf1>	then?
[15:06:19] <Prodego>	php InstallPath/maintenance/deleteOldRevisions.php
[15:06:39] <Prodego>	where InstallPath is the path to the directory localsettings.php is in
[15:07:11] <Aleenf1>	ok, thanks
[15:32:23] <kZen>	support spanish?
[15:33:01] <Nikerabbit>	morning
[15:34:28] <Nikerabbit>	Merlissimo: you can look up the names from Names.php
[15:39:57] <kZen>	how install mediawiki in joomla 1.5 ?
[15:40:27] <RoanKattouw>	kZen: You don't install MW *in* Joomla, but separate from it
[15:43:21] <kZen>	integrate?
[15:43:52] <RoanKattouw>	Maybe there's an integration plugin, but I don't see how that's terribly useful, since Joomla is a CMS and MW is a wiki
[15:44:05] <RoanKattouw>	(generally, you'll have far more wiki accounts than CMS accounts)
[15:44:40] <Nikerabbit>	hi RoanKattouw
[15:44:44] <Nikerabbit>	RoanKattouw: thanks for fixing the bug
[15:45:34] <Nikerabbit>	CIA broken again?
[15:45:38] *Nikerabbit 	hugs CIA-60
[15:45:38] *CIA-60 	hugs Nikerabbit
[15:46:23] <RoanKattouw>	Nikerabbit: No problem. The Language function you fixed up was mapping lowercased namespace names to namespace IDs, but didn't alter the 'normal' name-to-ID mapping (with case preserved) for the $1 expansion
[18:10:32] <chupacabra>	darn.  I thought I had a universal skin but it is only there for me.  Where do I set the whole site skin?
[18:11:04] <Simetrical>	!skins
[18:11:04] --mwbot--	Overview: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skins>. Skin usage: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Skins>. Gallery of CSS styles: <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gallery_of_user_styles>. Writing your own: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skinning>
[18:11:07] <Simetrical>	Hmm.
[18:11:13] <Simetrical>	There are config options related to this.
[18:11:59] <Simetrical>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings#Skins
[18:12:07] <chupacabra>	i seem to have lost them from last install to this.  I thought I set it and it did but only if I am logged in.
[18:12:24] <chupacabra>	thanks
[18:14:30] <chupacabra>	ahhh yes.  defaultsettings.php.  thanks
[18:14:55] <Simetrical>	Don't change that, change LocalSettings.php.
[18:15:04] <Simetrical>	If you change DefaultSettings.php, the change will get overwritten on upgrade.
[18:15:09] <Simetrical>	As lots of things say clearly in big scary letters.
[18:15:14] <chupacabra>	its all coming back to me.
[18:15:40] <chupacabra>	im remembering
[18:17:41] <[KrusheR]>	hi, is there an option for gif files to only thumbnail the first frame?
[18:17:46] <[KrusheR]>	or is there plans to implement it?
[18:18:59] <Platonides>	[KrusheR], yes
[18:19:08] <Platonides>	you could do that passing some option to the thumbnailer
[18:19:17] <[KrusheR]>	modifying the source?
[18:20:26] <Platonides>	[KrusheR], see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgMaxAnimatedGifArea
[18:20:31] <[KrusheR]>	thanks
[18:21:12] <[KrusheR]>	but that won't be implemented 'till 1.14 :(
[18:21:21] <[KrusheR]>	i hope they release it soon
[18:22:01] <Platonides>	you can get the trunk version
[18:22:17] <Platonides>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download_from_SVN
[18:23:58] <[KrusheR]>	i'm not sure about running the svn version
[18:24:05] <[KrusheR]>	i have about 30.000 visits a day
[18:24:20] <Simetrical>	Wikipedia runs the SVN version and has over 30,000 visits a second.  :)
[18:24:26] <[KrusheR]>	lol
[18:24:29] <[KrusheR]>	true
[18:24:34] <Simetrical>	Of course, the ones who do that really know what they're doing.
[18:24:41] <yksinaisyyteni>	but wikipedia is run by people who are experts in mediawiki, since they wrote it
[18:24:47] <yksinaisyyteni>	and all the code is carefully reviewed before deployment
[18:24:58] <Simetrical>	It's fairly low-risk to run off REL1_14 SVN.
[18:25:00] <[KrusheR]>	is the SVN the same the wipiedia runs?
[18:25:02] <yksinaisyyteni>	(and still it sometimes breaks in nasty ways)
[18:25:12] <Simetrical>	Since only bug-fixes should be checked in now, it should be pretty stable.
[18:25:22] <chuck_>	Simetrical: does it really have 30,000 a *second*?
[18:25:33] <yksinaisyyteni>	chuck_: more like 50k
[18:25:34] <Simetrical>	chuck_, 70,000 peak requests per second.
[18:25:42] <Simetrical>	Average is probably above 30k.
[18:25:42] <MrZ-man>	http://www.nedworks.org/~mark/reqstats/reqstats-daily.png
[18:25:55] <chuck_>	wow..
[18:26:11] <Simetrical>	That's not *visits*, though, to be fair, it's *hits*.
[18:26:28] <[KrusheR]>	anyway, does someone know when is 1.14 due?
[18:26:31] <Simetrical>	*Visits* is probably less, maybe even under 10k a second.
[18:26:31] <chuck_>	so if brion accidentally scaps a broken version, then that's millions of requests that will see a nice "Wikimedia Foundation Error" screen? xD
[18:26:36] <MrZ-man>	I think I calculated the number of actual pageviews once from domas's data
[18:26:44] <Simetrical>	[KrusheR], when the release manager gets around to it.  No due date I've heard of.
[18:26:58] <[KrusheR]>	thank you everyone
[18:27:00] <[KrusheR]>	:)
[18:27:01] <Simetrical>	MrZ-man, well, page views aren't visits either.
[18:27:17] <MrZ-man>	"an average of 4112 pageviews per second"
[18:28:20] <Nikerabbit>	is / allowed character in usernames?
[18:28:23] <Simetrical>	My site has over 3 million requests per day, but only 300k page views, and 30k visits (all fairly rough).
[18:28:26] <Simetrical>	Nikerabbit, it had better not be.
[18:28:31] <Simetrical>	That would mess up subpages pretty badly.
[18:28:50] <yksinaisyyteni>	it used to be, isn't anymore
[18:28:54] <yksinaisyyteni>	since it creates security issues
[18:29:13] <Simetrical>	User:a/../../../../etc/passwd?
[18:29:28] <Simetrical>	What sort of security issue?
[18:29:29] <yksinaisyyteni>	User:Joe/monobook.css, or sth like that
[18:29:39] <Simetrical>	Hmm.
[18:30:03] <yksinaisyyteni>	(there was also a fun bug where User:Joe could edit User:Joe Smith's monobook.ccs ;)
[18:31:46] <chuck_>	Simetrical: what is your site?
[18:31:56] <chuck_>	you host on a linode, right? or am I thinking of someone else?
[18:32:16] <Simetrical>	twcenter.net
[18:32:21] <Simetrical>	I don't even know what linodes are
[18:32:22] <Simetrical>	.
[18:32:37] <yksinaisyyteni>	linode is a hosting provider
[18:32:44] <yksinaisyyteni>	they do VPSs and stuff
[18:33:02] *Simetrical 	suddenly realizes that he's above Analytics pageviews-per-month limit and could see service cut off if he doesn't buy some AdWords
[18:33:12] <Simetrical>	No, I'm on dedicated hosting from The Planet, soon to be moving to colocation.
[18:33:17] <Simetrical>	(although it's only one server)
[18:46:24] <Nikerabbit>	Simetrical: we don't have userBatch?
[19:06:55] <siebrand>	hmm, changes to bugzilla and commits are not being notified.
[19:12:27] <chuck|busy>	how was mayflower setup to serve SVN?
[19:12:34] <chuck|busy>	i can't find any good guides that work as well as it does
[19:12:57] <Nikerabbit>	siebrand: indeed they are missing
[19:15:45] <MrZ-man>	chuck|busy: have you seen http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/Svn.wikimedia.org ?
[19:25:37] <Simetrical>	Nikerabbit, "userBatch"?
[19:26:05] <Nikerabbit>	Simetrical: similar to LinkBatch
[19:30:22] <Simetrical>	Nikerabbit, users are cached in memcached, so you can't query them in batches very efficiently anyway.
[19:44:09] <Nikerabbit>	Simetrical: but to avoid multiple database queries
[19:44:21] <riot>	hey again
[19:44:31] <Simetrical>	Nikerabbit, when do user accesses cause database queries?
[19:44:50] <Nikerabbit>	Simetrical: User::newFromName() does
[19:44:55] <riot>	hmm. i wonder: how can i add some string/template which warns non-https users about them not using ssl adding a link to such an url?
[19:46:03] <Simetrical>	Nikerabbit, User::newFromName() doesn't do anything, does it?  AFAICT, it returns a stub.
[19:46:23] <Nikerabbit>	Simetrical: but when it is used it does
[19:47:19] <Simetrical>	Nikerabbit, used for what?
[19:47:40] <Nikerabbit>	say, for example ->getOption()
[19:48:51] <Simetrical>	Nikerabbit, that calls load(), which calls either loadFromId() or loadFromSession() or loadDefaults().  The first two check memcached before doing a DB query, the second one doesn't do either.
[19:49:21] <Nikerabbit>	and when talking about existing users it is loadFromId mostly
[19:49:42] <Simetrical>	Depends, but it gets it from memcached either way.
[19:49:50] <Simetrical>	You can, however, get it from the database using loadFromRow().
[19:49:59] <Simetrical>	You just have to do the query manually, then.
[19:51:17] <Nikerabbit>	Simetrical: no, it has to load the ID first before it can look it up from memcached, no?
[19:52:10] <chuck|busy>	Is there any way to keep a wiki private so that only one group can read it while still keeping the API enabled?
[19:52:31] <Nikerabbit>	uh, do nothing?
[19:52:38] <Nikerabbit>	of course the api users need to be authenticated then
[19:52:52] <chuck|busy>	does the api follow regular permissions?
[19:53:00] <Nikerabbit>	yes
[19:53:08] <Nikerabbit>	otherwise it would be a gaping security hole
[19:54:23] <Simetrical>	Nikerabbit, oh, you're right.
[19:54:29] <Simetrical>	I missed the idFromName().
[19:54:39] <Simetrical>	You have to use loadFromRow(), I guess.
[19:56:00] <Nikerabbit>	Simetrical: yes.. that is why I am ascing for UserBatch for preloading ids :)
[19:56:59] <Nikerabbit>	Simetrical: it would be useful for my next feature you're going to hate
[20:06:45] <Geoff_Plourde>	I have an issue that is bizarre
[20:07:04] <Geoff_Plourde>	At Conservapedia, we have been having problems keeping the wiki up
[20:07:12] <Marybelle>	A limp wiki?
[20:07:29] <Geoff_Plourde>	We had a disc failure
[20:07:39] <Geoff_Plourde>	and now the wiki is iffy
[20:07:55] <Geoff_Plourde>	As in it will appear for people, then give a 503 
[20:07:56] <Simetrical>	MediaWiki can't do much about disk failures.
[20:08:03] <Simetrical>	I mean, did you replace the disk?
[20:08:10] <Marybelle>	You can rebuild the tables, I guess.
[20:08:11] <Geoff_Plourde>	We moved to a new server
[20:08:22] <[KrusheR]>	i lol'd
[20:08:24] <Simetrical>	Then maybe your new server isn't any good?
[20:08:40] <Geoff_Plourde>	People have reported that they can open it in one tab, but not in another
[20:08:54] <Geoff_Plourde>	or vice versa
[20:09:36] <Geoff_Plourde>	thats why I am here
[20:09:52] <Geoff_Plourde>	We had to go back to backup
[20:09:58] <Simetrical>	It seems like a pretty nonspecific error.
[20:10:03] <Geoff_Plourde>	Could the tables be damaged?
[20:10:10] <Simetrical>	Unlikely with InnoDB.
[20:10:15] <Simetrical>	You could try running CHECK TABLE on all of them.
[20:10:29] <Simetrical>	Also make sure you check all your error logs.
[20:10:30] <Geoff_Plourde>	Or could it be a cruddy MySQL installation
[20:10:56] <Geoff_Plourde>	Would it be wise to just start from scratch?
[20:11:07] <Geoff_Plourde>	As in upgrade the sucker?
[20:11:16] <Geoff_Plourde>	or set to subversion?
[20:11:58] <Simetrical>	It's hard to say.
[20:12:22] <Geoff_Plourde>	The extensions wouldn't kill the wiki...
[20:12:47] <Geoff_Plourde>	And I can't find any manual entries for something like this
[20:12:59] <Simetrical>	It's really a very vague problem.  Could be anything.
[20:13:10] <Geoff_Plourde>	As I see it, there are three possibilities
[20:13:21] <Geoff_Plourde>	1) Mediawiki version is damaged
[20:13:36] <Geoff_Plourde>	2) MySQl and supporting software is damaged
[20:13:54] <Geoff_Plourde>	or 3) Server is incorrectly configured
[20:14:03] <Geoff_Plourde>	Correct?
[20:14:43] <Geoff_Plourde>	If its the mediawiki tables, then run Check Table
[20:15:55] <Simetrical>	It's not so simple.
[20:16:01] <Simetrical>	From your description, it could be anything.
[20:16:13] <Simetrical>	Check your web server's error log, that would be my first piece of advice.
[20:16:20] <Simetrical>	See what it's saying for the 503s.
[20:16:31] <Simetrical>	MySQL or miscopying problems are unlikely to cause that.
[20:16:42] <Geoff_Plourde>	ok
[20:16:53] <Simetrical>	I'd imagine it's either misconfiguration or inadequate resources.
[20:17:00] <Geoff_Plourde>	The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later.
[20:17:08] <Geoff_Plourde>	So its the bandwidth
[20:17:12] <Simetrical>	That's what it says in your error log?
[20:17:13] <Geoff_Plourde>	and the server
[20:17:18] <Geoff_Plourde>	on the screen
[20:17:24] <Simetrical>	Look in your server's error log.
[20:17:39] <Simetrical>	What you see on the screen is a vague and probably meaningless generic message.
[20:17:45] <Simetrical>	The error log will likely contain details.
[20:17:49] <Geoff_Plourde>	lol
[20:17:55] <Geoff_Plourde>	i will hunt them down
[20:18:14] <Simetrical>	Really, that's basically just a paraphrase of the definition of a 503.  http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec10.html
[20:18:14] <meoblast001>	hi.... how do i change the items in the navigation?
[20:18:22] <Simetrical>	!sidebar | meoblast001 
[20:18:22] --mwbot--	meoblast001: To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar>.
[20:18:28] <Danwe>	hi
[20:18:38] <meoblast001>	thanx
[20:19:02] <Danwe>	is it somehow possible to convert all strings like this: &#61; in a string into their character they show in SMW?
[20:21:44] <meoblast001>	Simetrical: i can't make external links on it?
[20:21:55] <Simetrical>	meoblast001, I don't know, it's probably possible.
[20:21:58] <meoblast001>	Simetrical: i made a bullet [http://mymainpage.com Main Site]
[20:22:19] <meoblast001>	Simetrical: this is what i have http://m.mysticgalaxies.com:8080/wiki/index.php/MediaWiki:Sidebar
[20:23:02] <meoblast001>	Simetrical: dod i have to do something to acutally update the change?
[20:25:04] <Simetrical>	meoblast001, change the line you added to: ** http://www.mysticgalaxies.com|Mystic Galaxies Main Site
[20:25:11] <meoblast001>	fixed it =P
[20:25:13] <meoblast001>	thanx
[20:25:20] <Simetrical>	See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar for examples and instructions.
[20:26:27] <meoblast001>	got it... next step is to so something similar to my forums
[20:26:37] <meoblast001>	i'm trying to make an easy to find linke everywhere to get back to the main site
[20:27:20] <Geoff_Plourde>	Simetrical:Thanks, I am pretty sure that the server is misconfigured
[20:27:32] <Geoff_Plourde>	Your help was invaluable
[20:31:13] <kronoxt>	May I index my articles by keywords and stop indexing it for the entire text into one article... Like <keywords>god divnity greek chrono</keywords> 
[20:31:37] <kronoxt>	?
[20:34:31] <kronoxt>	no ?
[20:43:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Erratic functionality of $wgGroupsRemoveFromSelf['reviewer'] on en.labs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17299  (10JSchulz_4587)
[20:50:56] <Simetrical>	Is VoA's name Aaron Schulz or Jason Schulz?
[20:50:58] *Simetrical 	is confused
[20:52:22] <HardDisk_WP>	aaron is voa?!
[20:58:53] <Nikerabbit>	hi HardDisk_WP
[20:59:32] <HardDisk_WP>	heya Nikerabbit 
[21:01:06] <nojhan>	good evening for those who are in the right timezone
[21:02:17] <Luckas_Blade>	after using this extension: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:User_Merge_and_Delete , it's possible to undo the action ?
[21:03:07] <Nikerabbit>	good nojhan
[21:03:14] <Nikerabbit>	Luckas_Blade: I think not
[21:10:51] <Prodego>	Luckas_Blade: only manually
[21:14:06] <Luckas_Blade>	Prodego: but it isn't installed on wmf-projects
[21:14:38] <Prodego>	no it isn't
[21:16:36] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Search Function - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17306 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Search; (coolbaboon)
[21:17:08] <Luckas_Blade>	Prodego: If I request to allow unmerge after using this extension on bugzilla, it can be implemented ?
[21:17:35] <Prodego>	that extension isn't used on any WMF projects
[21:17:45] <Prodego>	and the way it works makes it impossible to unmerge
[21:17:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) ?action=edit&section=new shouldn' t put a newline above text when no section heading is given - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16116  (10siebrand)
[21:18:18] <CIA-60>	03nojhan * r46687 10/trunk/tools/planet/fr/config.ini: 3 more blogs
[21:18:20] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r46686 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/Configure.settings.i18n.php: Fix typo in 'Configure-setting-wgPasswordReminderResendTime'
[21:19:37] <Luckas_Blade>	Prodego: so, it's impossible to use on wmf projects ?
[21:20:14] <Prodego>	that extention will never be used on wikimedia foundation projects, because it would violate the licence 
[21:20:43] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Search Function - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17306  +comment (10brion)
[21:20:44] <Simetrical>	It could be used if the two accounts could be confirmed to be the same person.
[21:20:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Option to focus cursor in search box on main page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1864  +comment (10brion)
[21:20:49] <Simetrical>	However, I don't think it ever will be.
[21:21:12] <Luckas_Blade>	Simetrical: and if the person can prove it ?
[21:21:29] <Simetrical>	Luckas_Blade, they can put up an informative user page saying that they have a second account.
[21:22:34] <CIA-60>	03ashley * r46688 10/trunk/extensions/SocialProfile/UserProfile/ (UserProfile.i18n.php UserProfilePage.php): partial revert of r46264: "improve i18n for 'user-count-separator'". this did not work and instead of stuff like "4 of 10" being shown, only "of" was.
[21:22:36] <CIA-60>	03nikerabbit * r46685 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/ (changePassword.php language/dumpMessages.php): * Small cleanups
[21:23:25] <Luckas_Blade>	Simetrical: an example: If the old account (to be merged), mas moved on some projects and no others, it's proved that is the same person, right ?
[21:25:33] <Simetrical>	Luckas_Blade, I don't understand what you're saying.
[21:28:06] <Luckas_Blade>	Simetrical:  If the old account (to be merged), was renamed to other username on some projects and no on others, it's proved that is the same person, right ?
[21:28:36] <Simetrical>	I don't see why you would think that's the case, or why that's relevant.
[21:28:58] <Simetrical>	Even if it can be proved that two accounts are the same person, they won't get merged using this extension, since it's not realistically reversible.
[21:29:05] <Simetrical>	The user will just have two accounts.
[21:29:11] <Simetrical>	One, probably, unused.
[21:34:24] <Luckas_Blade>	Simetrical: the known extension "Renameuser" is reversible ?
[21:35:11] <Simetrical>	Luckas_Blade, yes, because it won't rename anyone to a name that's already taken.
[21:40:09] <CIA-60>	03ashley * r46689 10/trunk/extensions/SocialProfile/UserGifts/UserGifts.i18n.php: add two missing translations
[21:51:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) history. js blocks gecko browser with 100% CPU when rendering long history - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17240  +comment (10egil)
[21:52:06] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Provide timestamps in IRC RC feed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17305 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (matthew.britton)
[22:10:00] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Updating the new Ro.Wikibooks logo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17273  +comment (10brion)
[22:13:36] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) PHP Fatal error: Call to a member function toHtml() on a non-object in /var/www/w/includes/ImagePage.php on line 921 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17304 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Images; (niklas.laxstrom)
[22:15:26] <Nikerabbit>	oooh the lag is haribly
[22:17:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) PHP Fatal error: Call to a member function toHtml() on a non-object in /var/www/w/includes/ImagePage.php on line 921 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17304   +bugday +easy; +comment (10brion)
[22:26:06] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r46690 10/trunk/extensions/SocialProfile/ (6 files in 3 dirs): 
[22:26:07] <CIA-60>	* re-revert r46688 to r46264. The fixes are proper, as tested. See screenshot in http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/File:R46264_tested.png where "x of y" displays properly. Maybe the reverter has a local override (?)
[22:26:07] <CIA-60>	* add several FIXMEs where I observed notices with trunk code.
[22:28:46] <Mba7eth>	hi guys ... how can i create infobox ? .... i copy paste some infobox code but it always redirect me to a template .... ? then i paste code in the template but i got nothing :( 
[22:41:00] <Pathoschild>	!copytemplates | Mba7eth 
[22:41:00] --mwbot--	Mba7eth: For help copying templates from one wiki to another, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates#Copying_from_one_wiki_to_another >.
[22:41:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Option to focus cursor in search box on main page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1864  (10sindre.froyn)
[22:42:34] <Mba7eth>	thanks guys
[22:44:10] <Simetrical>	brion, I just spotted this enwiki gadget: "Allow up to 50 more characters in each of your edit summaries. Works in Internet Explorer, Firefox, and Opera."
[22:44:11] <Simetrical>	:D
[22:44:20] <Simetrical>	SMALLTEXT anytime soon?
[22:44:43] <Splarka>	omghax
[22:45:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Option to focus cursor in search box on main page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1864  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[22:45:37] <Simetrical>	We should adopt a policy that the number of preferences from now on is fixed.  Anyone who wants to add a new preference has to delete an old one that no one uses.
[22:45:48] <Simetrical>	Like the number of characters on Google's front page.
[22:47:08] <^demon>	Or how about for each preference you add, you must delete 5 that no one ever changes anyway.
[22:50:05] <Splarka>	how would extensions handle that?
[22:50:15] <Splarka>	they'd just have to randomly disable some prefs while they're included?
[22:51:09] <Splarka>	Simetrical: IIRC, IRC packets are limited to 512 bytes total, which include (for PRIVMSG, NOTICE, etc) your full nick and hostmask... so you could lengthen them by simply using a shorter nick, id, and host... similar to that summary hax
[22:53:45] <Simetrical>	Splarka, does it really include your full hostmask?
[22:53:53] *Simetrical 	tests max chars
[22:54:14] <Simetrical>	xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxx
[22:54:14] <Simetrical>	xxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx 
[22:54:37] <Simetrical>	433 chars of message content for me.
[22:54:39] <Nikerabbit>	Simetrical: yes it does
[22:54:52] <Prodego>	Simetrical: Debug risk threat [#mediawiki]: Simetrical - generic spamming; ping WaRpAtH, flyingparchment, pctony, and SeJo !att-#mediawiki-debug
[22:54:53] <Simetrical>	So that's 79 chars of metadata somewhere there.
[22:55:06] <Simetrical>	Prodego, o_O?
[22:55:56] <Prodego>	Simetrical: AntiSpamMeta told us you were being naughty :)
[22:56:10] <Simetrical>	It should exempt regulars.
[22:56:12] <Simetrical>	:)
[22:56:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Section editing: removing sections leaves excess whitespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14938  (10michaelj.walsh)
[22:57:03] <Splarka>	hmm
[22:58:55] <Mike||busy>	YAY, but 14938 is toast
[22:59:03] <Mike||busy>	-t+g
[23:00:02] <Splarka>	toasg?
[23:00:39] <Mike||busy>	goasg
[23:00:47] <Mike||busy>	that's a word, right? >_>
[23:01:41] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Number of active users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17303 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (matthew.britton)
[23:02:41] <Reedy>	ghost
[23:10:05] <CIA-60>	03demon * r46691 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): (bug 17304) Fatal error in file history when File::transform() fails.
[23:10:44] <Shown>	Warning: Unknown: Failed to write session data (files). Please verify that the current setting of session.save_path is correct (/tmp) in Unknown on line 0
[23:11:09] <Shown>	at the bottom of the page :| all seems workin fine
[23:11:22] <Simetrical>	Shown, you probably won't be able to log in.
[23:11:34] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) PHP Fatal error: Call to a member function toHtml() on a non-object in /var/www/w/includes/ImagePage.php on line 921 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17304  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[23:11:39] <Simetrical>	This is a problem with PHP.  Make sure that /tmp exists and is writable to the web server.
[23:11:46] <Simetrical>	(If it's not, your server is pretty messed up.)
[23:12:19] <Simetrical>	(For instance, it might be Windows.  :P)
[23:14:00] <Shown>	Simetrical im with dreamhost and wiki is on a wiki.site.com/wiki directory
[23:14:06] <Shown>	ill try reinstalling
[23:14:10] <Simetrical>	Ask your host.
[23:18:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow bureaucrats to add or remove rights on German ArbCom wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16069  (10innocentkiller)
[23:23:20] <Merlissimo>	what can be done with the "feedback" user right?
[23:25:04] <kirjain_X>	Merlissimo, feedback isn't a standard userright in MediaWik
[23:25:27] <Merlissimo>	my account has it on dewiki
[23:27:20] <Merlissimo>	although it is not mentiont in the group-right overview via api
[23:27:41] <Splarka>	http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spezial:Gruppenrechte?uselang=en
[23:27:43] <Splarka>	is listed there...
[23:28:22] <Splarka>	must be part of flagged revs
[23:29:57] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) [regression] Localized redirects do not work after a page move - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17276  (10skizzerz)
[23:30:11] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Redirects don't work after page move (regression) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17300  (10skizzerz)
[23:30:32] <Splarka>	Merlissimo: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Flagged_Revisions#Reader_feedback
[23:30:44] <Splarka>	flaggedrevs enabled on: http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/flaggedrevs.dblist
[23:32:43] <domas>	:-(
[23:35:58] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r46692 10/trunk/extensions/SocialProfile/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 
[23:35:58] <CIA-60>	* fix some notices and warnings
[23:35:58] <CIA-60>	* document a notice
[23:47:18] <Mike||notbusy>	In /extensions/CentralAuth/SpecialGlobalGroupPermissions.php, I see
[23:47:18] <Mike||notbusy>			## Permission MUST be gained from global rights.
[23:47:18] <Mike||notbusy>			return $globalUser->hasGlobalPermission( 'globalgrouppermissions' );
[23:47:42] <Mike||notbusy>	But it's unclear why it needs to be a global right... this lets people change global group permissions from anywhere
[23:48:04] <Mike||notbusy>	if you assigned it as a local right, they'd have to do so at Meta, which seems like a good idea to me
[23:48:21] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r46693 10/trunk/extensions/SocialProfile/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Add some FIXMEs where notices appear
[23:53:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Redirects don't work after page move (regression) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17300  (10skizzerz)