[00:01:23] so I don't know if any of you remember my odd problem from last night [00:01:37] but it seems "third time's the charm" is fixing it... [00:02:14] 06(LATER) MediaWiki:Dberr-usegoogle requires html markup - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17296 +comment (10siebrand) [00:04:31] hey people, is there ANY kind of tool or code that will remove all markup from dumped wikipedia articles and turn them into plaintext? [00:09:51] http://toolserver.org/~merphant/wiki2html/ [00:10:01] http://tpokorra.blogspot.com/2007/11/html2wiki-wiki2html.html [00:11:06] thanks. [00:17:03] \quit [00:20:48] 03siebrand * r46993 10/trunk/extensions/FramedVideo/ (. FramedVideo.i18n.php FramedVideo.php): Import FramedVideo from ftp://filop.pl/FramedVideo/1.1.1/ unchanged. [00:28:22] is there any way to easily specifiy something like categories=Name-* in DPL? [00:28:39] or to have all categories beginning with Name- somehow autogenerated? [00:29:12] 04(REOPENED) Make the installer check whether it's installing an old version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17394 +comment (10public) [00:32:22] 03siebrand * r46994 10/trunk/extensions/FramedVideo/ (FramedVideo.class.php FramedVideo.i18n.php FramedVideo.php): (log message trimmed) [00:32:22] * update a few messages [00:32:22] * mark some messages as ignored and optional [00:32:22] * remove duplicate messages in Polish [00:32:22] * introduce 'framedvideo_helppage' for help page link in 'framedvideo_error_see_help' [00:32:24] * run stylie.php for files [00:32:26] * split off parser function to a class [00:36:22] 03siebrand * r46995 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/mediawiki-defines.txt: Add support for Framed Video [00:37:44] 03siebrand * r46996 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/mediawiki-defines.txt: Fix incorrect keyword [00:39:54] 03siebrand * r46997 10/trunk/extensions/FramedVideo/FramedVideo.i18n.php: Add used tag to 'framedvideo-desc' [01:15:02] Hi [01:18:58] Hmm... my mediawiki install does not seem to recognize the fact that imagemagick is installed [01:19:15] I really like the new "Did you mean" search feature! But why not return the most obvious result on top (e.g. a category name) On something the did you mean term must be based on anyway. Just like g**gle does ;) [01:19:34] kirjain_X: did you point it at the correct directory? [01:19:48] there's some config options to set regarding that [01:19:55] MrZ-man, I put it in /usr/bin/convert, where it is [01:20:37] !imagemagick [01:20:37] --mwbot-- ImageMagick is a software which can be used with MediaWiki Image Administration. You can read more about it on . ImageMagick is available from . [01:21:00] $wgUseImageMagick is true? [01:23:03] Just like this. Actaully i look for "Ellen Allien" but I type Ellen Alien. It brings me results about Alien articles and the "Did you mean Ellen Allien" link. I think: goddamnit yes, why not show me the result straight away. Saves me the damn click! :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=ellen+alien&fulltext=Search [01:23:05] MrZ-man, yes [01:24:30] If the Did you mean feature would work as described it could make lots of redirects useless which redirect from typo to correct for the "Go" function. [01:24:40] Worth posting on bugzilla? [01:29:28] 03(mod) mark {{fullurl}} links as plainlinks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11477 (10old_school_junkie) [01:36:31] 03(mod) mark {{fullurl}} links as plainlinks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11477 +comment (10p858snake) [01:41:44] 03(mod) mark {{fullurl}} links as plainlinks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11477 +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [01:54:16] 03(NEW) Did you mean ...? Return most obvious result on top nontheless. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17405 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Search; (old_school_junkie) [02:00:05] 03(mod) Did you mean ...? Return most obvious result on top nontheless. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17405 (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [02:04:31] 03(mod) mark {{fullurl}} links as plainlinks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11477 +comment (10old_school_junkie) [02:12:46] What user is able to change someone's status from nothing to reader/writer ? [02:13:15] I mean [02:13:20] What kind of user? [02:15:48] Depends on rights management but generally the Sysop(s) are the ones with teh most rights. [02:18:07] sysop or the one that starts with b [02:18:35] burrecreauts or what the heck they're called :D [02:19:45] Hmm [02:20:06] Actually I can't change it [02:20:15] I'm in a "private wiki" [02:21:08] 03(mod) Don't mark external links to the current wiki as external - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11477 summary; +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [02:21:13] 4<< 402hi4 >> [02:21:15] what can't you change? [02:21:26] are you sysop? [02:21:40] A friend of mine wants to read and edit in my wiki [02:21:42] ops [02:21:50] But as it's private [02:22:14] Has Mediawiki a forum? [02:22:18] private meaning on localhost or did you change settings so no one can access it? [02:22:36] JoniJnm: no. this is the best live support you can get [02:22:38] JoniJnm: irc and mailing lists are the offical ones [02:22:48] He doesn't have reader/editor status [02:22:56] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights [02:23:01] And I have to give him this status [02:23:04] Ok [02:23:06] Thanks [02:23:12] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights_management [02:23:39] I have a poor english, I will try ask a question: [02:23:57] that was quite good already ;) [02:25:08] I never received answers on the mailing lingst when i started. maybe due to the newbie questions i asked [02:25:18] I want that only administrator can edit pages, visitors can't do it. Have I to edit the file LocalSettings? [02:26:32] yes and check http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights about what to set in LocalSettings [02:27:09] !prevacc | JoniJnm [02:27:09] --mwbot-- JoniJnm: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access [02:27:23] thanks [02:32:22] a forum would be good anyway. i wonder why there isn't any (but i guess there are some good reasons after all these years). can't think of newbies knowing how to join an IRC chan [02:33:14] We have a wiki. [02:33:19] I mean, this is wiki software. [02:33:24] But the devs mostly don't watch it. [02:34:13] yeah but do devs enjoy all the newbie questions being posted here which a forum with some stickies and search could easily do? [02:34:39] my point is just that a forum may be better for newbies. [02:35:09] also i often get no answers for questions here and need to ask them again another time. a forum would solve that easily. [02:36:00] just take the Extension requests page. horror! :D [02:36:52] Well, put it this way. The reason IRC is the best medium for getting in touch with the devs is because this is where we hang out. [02:37:31] Probably part of that is the barrier to entry. We don't get tons of newbies bothering us constantly, because you have to at least be able to figure out what IRC is. [02:37:46] So it's a more attractive environment to work in. [02:38:04] We have a mailing-list too. [02:38:05] yeah sure and i apreciate that. but imo 75% of the questions being asked here could be answered in a forum by normal wiki users. and it would be accessable by all the newbies who dunno irc [02:38:41] Somehow, open-source software development gravitates toward mailing lists and IRC, with wikis for publicly posting info. I'm not sure why it doesn't use forums more. [02:39:06] Anyway, normal wiki users can reply to questions on the wiki if they like. [02:39:10] Of course, their answers might be wrong. :) [02:39:11] "We don't get tons of newbies bothering us constantly, because you have to at least be able to figure out what IRC is." Yes. what about the rest? I guess most give up searching for anwers pretty fast. [02:39:33] Well, yeah. Doesn't bother us too much, we don't make money off this. [02:39:51] If someone isn't willing to put in the effort to ask a question properly, they can just not be answered. Fine by me. [02:40:12] If that's a problem to them, they could pay someone to do things for them, which is functionally what you're doing with proprietary software with friendly support channels. [02:40:15] but we want to take over the world don't we? [02:40:43] Maybe. Personally I'm primarily interested in Wikipedia. [02:41:12] MediaWiki is a little less interested in being used by everyone than in being used by Wikipedia, compared to most OSS projects. [02:41:17] most users don't give up that easily [02:41:19] It's odd that way. [02:41:23] as said there surely are some good reasons why it is what it is. in the end there are less crap wikis on teh web cos it's not that easy as wordpress or blogspot [02:41:31] Tim-away, well, insofar as the ones who do are no longer users, certainly. :) [02:42:10] if you're behind the firewall and your boss says "install mediawiki", you don't go back in a day and say "sorry, I couldn't work out how to get on IRC, let's just share word documents on SMB" [02:42:58] that's a point. can't even guess how many intranets use MW [02:43:02] because it's server software, the installers tend to be more committed than users of other software would [02:43:06] Tim-away, and if you're some dude who thinks it would be cool to set up a wiki for your newly-founded ten-member WoW raiding party, you might just give up. [02:43:22] Although in that case you equally might give up at the "get a website" stage. [02:43:23] maybe [02:43:31] but there's plenty of those sorts of wikis around [02:43:43] and we don't get many complaints from people who found it too hard [02:44:02] cos everyone who made it run is fucking proud [02:44:17] There are pretty clear instructions. [02:44:19] have you been finding it difficult, Hubble3000 [02:44:23] ? [02:44:29] Most of the advice we give here is just linking to mediawiki.org pages anyway. [02:44:36] whenever i see similar pages like mine run ona astupid blog using categories i feel like damn good [02:44:46] damn yes [02:45:05] i had experience with html and the server but not with php [02:45:47] and i like to adjust the mw to my needs. [02:46:35] obviously it's going to get hard pretty quick if you want features that aren't written yet [02:47:00] so i surely had more trouble than most who are happy i they managed $wgLogo. [02:48:48] but still i prefer this chan for asking my dumb questions than waiting weeks till some posts an answer on a talk page cos nobody watches it. i hate the talk way to communicate [02:49:32] that's why we advertise IRC as a help forum and not talk pages [02:49:44] and i tried the mailing list in the beginning but got no answer. so i thought it's for advanced problems only [02:49:59] a lot of questions on the mailing list don't get an answer [02:50:12] there's more questioners than answerers [02:50:29] a lot of questions here don't get an answer, for that matter [02:50:42] yes but my point is a forum would solve all problems together. just like this chatting will be lost in an hour cos nobody reads / searches (?) the archive ;) [02:50:51] installing and using mediawiki is more simple than most cms's tbh [02:50:57] there's a forum already, nobody answers questions there either [02:51:11] where is that forum? [02:51:21] that assumes people will search for answers on a forum before asking them [02:51:43] ok, go to www.mediawiki.org ... [02:52:18] in the top intro part, click the link "communication page" [02:52:35] then scroll down to the section labelled "forums" [02:52:38] Hubble3000, you're assuming people will read the forum and answer questions thee. [02:52:39] re [02:52:50] Why do you think that, if they don't do it on the mailing list, wiki, or IRC? [02:53:31] there's a link to it there [02:54:04] mwusers.com is the one I've seen. [02:54:20] They already got up your release notice on the front page. [02:54:25] Pretty good. [02:54:26] yes, that's the one I'm talking about, it's just that Hubble was going to claim it's invisible [02:54:35] so i thought I'd tell him the link sequence [02:55:03] alternatively, click "community portal" in the sidebar, then there's a link labelled "MediaWiki Users" [02:55:11] "Unofficial MediaWiki forum for MediaWiki user to user support" [02:55:12] when i enter a forum looking for help i check the stickied read me (if any) and use the search. and i guess a search running over forum posts will bring better resaults than searching the technically written and more or less hard to understand MW help pages. but i dunno the MW community so maybe it would really be a forum as empty of answers as Extension Requests [02:55:13] I wonder if any devs visit mwusers.com regularly. [02:55:32] I doubt it, last time I went there it seemed pretty quiet all round [02:56:18] it doesn't take devs to answer newbie qeustions. but maybe there would be nobody left to answer forum questions? maybe the community would grow with the forum. you never know [02:56:21] There's someone named Skizzerz who has a recent post. Could be an impostor, I guess, but not likely. [02:56:31] Hubble3000, well, there already is one, so . . . [02:56:34] **now seeking de forum linky [02:56:37] nope, that's me [02:56:54] Yeah, he has a cool "MediaWiki Developer" title. http://www.mwusers.com/forums/member.php?u=6260 [02:56:56] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Forum ??? [02:57:12] Simetrical: custom titles ftw :P [02:57:21] Skizzerz, oh, not a usergroup or anything? [02:57:24] nope [02:57:28] They should give you a usergroup with a cool badge. [02:57:29] just user cp [02:57:38] Skizzerz, you run StrategyWiki? [02:57:40] I'm already a mod, what more could I ask for? :P [02:57:47] I've used that before. [02:57:51] I don't ''run'' it, but I'm a bcrat there [02:58:15] ahh. see! i ask questions here since end of 1006 and never got to the forum. [02:58:25] 2006 tbh [03:01:30] well the forum existance (although if external) is not well communicated;) can you find your way to the forum on this wiki? http://interstatefm.com [03:01:57] 03(NEW) Page loads incorrectly when egLogEntryMultiLine or egLogEntryMultiLineRows is set - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17406 major; normal; MediaWiki extensions: LogEntry; (morse.caleb) [03:02:34] yes it may be a more essential part of the site but at least internal [03:02:44] are you kidding? [03:03:23] it's hardly our fault if a user produces an entirely new skin and neglects to include any link to mediawiki.org [03:03:40] or even mentions the name of the software [03:04:25] no i mean it the other way around. if that forum si a godd thing why not have an own one? [03:05:09] he might seen a need for an MW forum so he created it? [03:05:35] because then we'd have to administer it [03:05:49] we have mwusers.com, it's quite good enough for people who like forums [03:06:47] mwusers is a spam magnet =\ [03:07:01] ah you talked about interstatefm. i just linked it cos it communicates the forum in a better way than click there then there ;) [03:09:53] 03(mod) Image link= parameter is ignored when image uses thumb - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17398 summary; +comment (10public) [03:12:36] mwusers.com looks good. but that i didn't know about it after using MW and this for 2 years lets me assume that 99% of the newbies with their tons of questions also don't find it. [03:13:32] We realize, you think a forum would be helpful. [03:13:33] We don't. [03:13:45] Or at least, none of us seem to think it's worth it. [03:13:52] If you do, you can start your own, which someone already has. [03:15:44] we're running in circles. but i shut up now ;) [03:16:27] what part of SQLite wasn't working? [03:16:35] *chuck is using that for his local development copy of MW [03:16:56] it's got no indexes [03:17:08] the lack of unique indexes breaks all the INSERT IGNORE queries [03:17:15] of which there are many [03:17:15] Well, SQLite doesn't scale anyway, right? . . . oh. [03:17:28] you end up with tables full of duplicates [03:17:30] And REPLACE. [03:18:15] you can upgrade straight to 1.15, there's an experimental fix for it there [03:18:26] we just thought it wasn't stable enough to go into 1.14 [03:19:00] that is, 1.15alpha, svn trunk [03:22:21] although mwusers does give some weird answes, eg: if you want readonly users just create a usergroup without edit permissions instead of blocking them [03:23:30] A usergroup without edit permissions only works if ordinary users can't edit. [03:23:40] we get weird answers everywhere [03:23:57] even if I answer first on mediawiki-l with the right answer, two other people will reply with the wrong answer [03:23:59] *Simetrical does some fiddling with fdisk and dd because parted whines about invalid partition options . . . sigh [03:24:16] s/invalid partition/unsupported filesystem/ [03:24:40] IRC is not too bad because the wrong answers get jumped on pretty fast [03:28:27] and because the answers aren't searchable so the impact of wrong answers is limited [03:29:25] ok i got it. if mediawiki.org would have an internal forum with users giving wrong answers resulting in endless wars that would throw a bad light on MW. or sth like that. as said if MW was too easy there would be same ammount of useless websites like now powered by wordpress or blogspot. [03:29:54] [21:50] there's a forum already, nobody answers questions there either [03:30:08] That's not really true; most questions there do get answered [03:30:46] Mainly because most questions there are quite simple: simple problems with installing, simple questions about configuration, simple questions about skinning [03:31:47] which don't require a dev in irc [03:32:19] Or on the wiki support pages; who do you think is the one who answers them? :D [03:33:15] the advantage of an integrated or at least in the sidebar linked form would be that newbies at least would know hwre to post their question. Check the support desk. scares me to death. [03:33:24] I don't know if the support desk is even worth having; it might just give false hope [03:33:54] I'm...I can't quite say I'm the only one who answers stuff there, but it's pretty close [03:34:04] hah! http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_requests anyone? [03:34:17] Another excellent supply of false hope [03:34:33] Especially since the people who post there are apparently all colorblind [03:34:34] i don't check the support desk. i hate talk pages [03:34:54] re [[Extension requests]]: what about it? [03:35:18] check the discussion ;) [03:35:28] This is the first I've ever heard of this page -- it's certainly not actively used by MediaWiki developers. [03:35:28] Tracking of actual work on such things belongs on Bugzilla. Initial discussion might be better served on IRC and the mailing lists; discussion specific to a topic should probably go on a page on the wiki, and people can link around to those pages from various discussion areas. --brion 23:36, 29 October 2008 (UTC) [03:35:31] they want the noobs to use IRC :D [03:35:46] no wait. even better: bugzilla [03:36:24] bugzilla spammed with requests for extensions which most likely already exists but weren't found via search [03:36:40] Bugzilla's search is quite awful. [03:36:44] cos that's what fills extension request 50% [03:36:51] Well, not awful. Just lackluster. [03:37:00] Marybelle: What's wrong with it? [03:37:07] no i ment finding extensions on mediawiki.org is not fun either [03:37:25] Emufarmers: It's slow and hard to find bugs. (I get duped frequently.) [03:37:38] people don't realise that the world has no shortage of ideas [03:37:50] Emufarmers: I reopened your bug, by the way. [03:37:57] ideas are easy, implementing them is hard [03:37:58] Even though TimStarling tried to crush your dreams. [03:38:06] Sometimes. [03:38:35] TimStarling is excellent at crushing dreams [03:38:36] Sometimes ideas are incredibly hard and implementation is not. [03:38:44] Yes, he practices regularly. [03:39:17] Also, I don't think my thing would actually be that hard to implement [03:39:39] Hubble3000: [[Extension Matrix]] or define the search to only do that namespace [03:39:43] It would. But that doesn't mean we should say we're never going to do it. [03:40:07] Marybelle: maybe, but the people with the ideas have no conception whatsoever of how useful their idea is [03:40:29] and the people who know have no time to go through the firehose of bad ideas looking for the good ones [03:40:39] p858snake: the problem is false categorization and the lack of description text. 80% of extension pages text is technically [03:40:45] not least because the people who know what is a bad idea and what is a good idea have plenty of good ideas of their own [03:41:07] Meh. I wouldn't say there's a firehouse of bad ideas. [03:41:13] Firehose, too. [03:41:14] and the strcit search engine not knowing synonyms etc. [03:41:19] thats not MW's fault, tell people to fill in their extenstion pages properly [03:42:13] i hate seeing the DPL2 extension on the results on almost all my seraches for extensions. one day i will install it and rule the world ;) [03:42:20] Category moving would be nice. [03:42:25] As would image moving. [03:42:28] no shit [03:42:40] How eloquent. [03:42:43] how many times do you think they've been suggested? [03:42:57] Do you know what makes the suggestions stop? [03:43:02] image moving is now propely possible right? [03:43:09] someone implementing them of course [03:43:16] killing the suggesters [03:43:16] Indeed. [03:43:32] that's not the point that we differ on [03:43:35] i want cat moving too. i hate losing history and stats. fix it pls ;) [03:43:42] we differ on the value of ideas, not the value of implementation [03:44:16] Do you have examples of really bad idea suggestions from the past few weeks? [03:44:41] Marybelle, why would we bother to remember bad suggestions? [03:44:42] i thought image moving was already done [03:45:10] Simetrical: There's apparently a fire hose of them. Surely people can recall a few. [03:45:21] p858snake: I don't consider it done until it's the default. [03:45:31] Marybelle, the point is we don't stand in front of the fire hose. :) [03:45:40] Wow, this is what I'd call irresponsible disclosure: http://hackedphpbb.blogspot.com/ [03:45:42] i wait for the day when "images" is peroperly renamed to "files" [03:45:45] What a jerk. [03:45:53] Simetrical: Irresponsible? He documented everything he did. [03:45:55] Hubble3000, it is. In 1.14. Or maybe it's 1.15. [03:45:59] It's what a call a deserved hack. [03:46:02] I call. * [03:46:03] Marybelle, yes, *and posted all the private data he found*. [03:46:15] People don't learn any other way. [03:46:18] Including a list of hundreds of thousands of e-mail addresses. [03:46:19] . . . [03:46:19] well, when I say there's a firehose of bad ideas, I mean as opposed to good ideas [03:46:22] Don't use the same password on multiple sites. [03:46:25] the images/ directory as well? my users think i'm dumb [03:46:29] not bad on an epic level [03:46:35] so bad as to be notable [03:46:45] bad as in not valuable [03:46:54] Marybelle, "don't submit your e-mail address to a reputable website without personally verifying that all the software they're running is up-to-date and patched at all times"? [03:47:06] Hubble3000, you can call images/ whatever you want. [03:47:18] funky [03:47:27] Simetrical: E-mail addresses are generally assumed public, no? [03:47:27] Marybelle, that's ludicrous. Publishing what that guy published was completely reprehensible. [03:47:32] Marybelle, um, no. [03:47:44] Eh, I consider mine public... [03:47:53] If I sign up to a mailing list and never post to it, I expect it to not be posted on the public Internet. [03:47:58] My address, I mean. [03:48:33] I signed up to wikitech-l. And now it keeps e-mailing me. [03:48:39] "to all that say i am a script kiddie, fuck you" I tried to find a "I'm on vacation indefinitely" option. [03:48:49] But there isn't one. [03:48:55] Which is pretty annoying. [03:49:15] p858snake: He hacked their site. I think it's pretty impressive... [03:49:56] !b 15842 [03:49:56] --mwbot-- https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15842 [03:50:04] How media Wiki uses {{Languages|Page}} ? I have to create only a page called Page/language_with_2_letters? [03:50:06] apprently both that it was depending on are fixed [03:50:41] Marybelle, it's called "unsubscribe". [03:50:53] you can set it to nomail [03:50:55] Simetrical: But then I can't send e-mails to it when I want / need to. [03:51:03] Which is madness. [03:51:14] that's what I use, I'm subscribed to all the lists with mailing switched off [03:51:18] then I read them via gmane [03:51:26] Where is the nomail option? [03:51:48] And the search is gone as well. :-( [03:51:49] The guy knew what he was doing, certainly. Script kiddie, meh, I don't know. But he was completely irresponsible in publishing private data of users who had nothing wrong or stupid. [03:51:55] Shame the ones who run the site, not the users. [03:52:17] I just tell Gmail to filter out all the messages from lists I don't want to read, except if they contain my name. [03:52:22] Then it pops up the whole conversation. [03:52:35] Also, I can search them all via Gmail instead of the awful search features the archives have. [03:52:36] unsubscribe or edit options > member options login [03:52:37] Handy. [03:53:14] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/options/wikitech-l [03:53:33] Oh, found it. [03:53:40] then mail delivery = disabled [03:54:36] Marybelle: the only hard part about the version I see is figuring out the best way to do an external request in the installer. Which I never actually got an answer on [03:54:39] Note: your list delivery is currently disabled; it was disabled by you. Awesome. [03:55:03] Emufarmers: And that's fine if you don't know how. But that doesn't mean you need to WONTFIX/CLOSE the bug. ;-) [03:55:16] s/need to/should/ [03:55:33] I didn't close it because I couldn't implement it [03:55:44] I closed it because Tim convinced me it wouldn't be useful [03:55:54] Then Tim can close it. [03:56:47] i wish gmail could be set so it automatically decides which outgoing email addy to use depending on what the to/cc/mailing list it is your sending to [03:56:49] But...he convinced me [03:57:25] https://secure.wikimedia.org/keys.html Huh. [03:57:39] p858snake, it does, at least for me. [03:57:51] For replies, anyway. [03:57:57] it has done it a couple of times but not always for me [03:58:05] When I reply to a Wikimedia list, for instance, it defaults to Simetrical+wikilist@gmail.com. [03:58:25] It doesn't get it right if you're composing new mail and not replying, but otherwise it always works for me. [03:58:33] Simetrical: Do you know much about the WikimediaMessages extension? [03:58:38] No. [03:58:45] Okay. [04:00:38] By the way, if anyone has suggestions for how to solve the BLP problem, ideas would be very appreciated. [04:00:52] you should talk to privatemusings [04:01:08] he likes that subject [04:01:12] He seems insane. [04:01:40] "i iz in ur server haxing it" muha [04:01:46] mind you, once it gets up to concrete suggestions he gets evasive and says things like "we should have that discussion" [04:02:06] you know he's a regular at the sydney wikipedia meetups [04:02:07] I came up with an interface to look for key words. [04:02:28] http://pruebita.com/blpreviewer.png Something like this. [04:03:05] But I don't know how feasible / practical it is. [04:03:19] So I'm still looking for feasible ideas. [04:06:12] "George W. Bush has over 9000 interns....." actually i might go off and add that >.> [04:06:34] p858snake: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CharlotteWebb/dubious_statistics [04:06:50] bah the names and numbers should be grouped in that screenshot [04:07:08] What screenshot? [04:07:20] http://pruebita.com/blpreviewer.png Something like this. [04:07:36] Names and numbers should be grouped how? [04:07:43] i meant like row spaned down [04:08:07] I don't understand your idea. [04:08:21] so it should be like | 1. | Arnie | and then number 2 should be the second person [04:08:56] http://pruebita.com/blp.html Here's some raw HTML. Show me what you suggest. :-) [04:10:46] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MZMcBride/BLPs Is the type of bullshit that sits in people's biographies. [04:11:14] So I'm devoting my time and energy on trying to solve the BLP problem. But not many people seem to have feasible ideas. [04:11:24] s/on/to/ [04:14:14] bah firefox is freezing like when i open any new tab, i'm about to downgrade it >.< [04:15:13] http://localhostr.com/files/d891fb/blpreviewer2.png Marybelle: so you're mainly looking for criminal charges, ongoing proceedings, dropped charges, etc.? [04:17:21] TimStarling: More than that. Any key words that would almost always be sourced in a biography. "Asshole" "bastard" "bitch" etc. [04:17:39] "child molester" "pedophile" things like that as well. [04:17:55] "is gay" "had an affair" "convicted" ... [04:18:12] p858snake: Ahhh. [04:18:21] <^demon> Marybelle: Who did what now? [04:18:34] ^demon: I'm discussing how to solve the BLP problem. [04:18:45] Do you have any ideas? [04:20:14] <^demon> Don't let the subjects read them :) [04:20:55] Which is fine. But the problem is when all your neighbors and your future employers think you molested children. [04:21:15] Or they think you're dead. Or have been convicted several times. Or are gay. [04:21:20] AbuseFilter could tag changes with words like that [04:21:56] Perhaps. Werdna suggested it would have performance problems with some things, though. [04:22:04] Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Abuse_filter#Uses_of_the_AbuseFilter [04:22:12] Specifically with per-user per-article blocking. [04:23:21] What does per-user per-article blocking have to do with the BLP problem? [04:23:27] I suppose tagging might work. Though I'm unsure if the AbuseFilter can do category checks. [04:23:39] Emufarmers: It has to do with the AbuseFilter. [04:23:46] And performance of it. [04:24:16] For the AbuseFilter to work, it has to not be disabled by Domas. And that only happens if it's very efficient. [04:24:48] what happened to the C++ parser for it? [04:25:02] It was deprecated in favor of a pure PHP parser, I was told. [04:25:15] so it was deleted? [04:25:44] No idea. I'd have to check SVN. [04:27:28] Looks like parser_native is empty now... [04:27:34] http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=46090 [04:27:47] (as in, yes, it was deleted, it seems) [04:28:54] Damn it. I just found that. [04:28:56] :P [04:29:04] kekeke [04:29:05] Werdna decided the PHP one was fast enough, apparently. [04:38:47] rar [04:39:14] 7zip [04:39:54] <^demon> gzip [04:45:12] !list [04:45:12] --mwbot-- The MediaWiki mailing list can be found at . For an overview of all Wikimedia related lists see http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/overview [05:11:34]