[00:00:27] for example, I went to 'edit' and it sat there stalled, not loading [00:00:38] so I went to http://sawserver.gotdns.com:85/skins/common/edit.js?164 and then the edit page loaded on refresh [00:02:03] SAWBG: so I think your home connection is either not up to the task, or possibly is being throttled by your ISP, you /might/ try a higher port like 8080 or 8000 [00:02:21] SAWBG: what program are you using as a server? [00:03:12] the one you're using is on IIS6, but if you use the same URL on port 80, you might go to the same site on an apache server... give me a sec and I'll make sure apache's running [00:03:39] I found the file with wgArticlePath [00:03:59] port 80 doesnt work for me either [00:04:22] don't change any wgArticlePath stuff, that isn't the problem [00:04:30] the server wasn't running...now it is [00:04:34] (or at least not the current one, heh) [00:04:42] its not what is causing this problem [00:05:22] try wiki now! [00:05:30] doe sit work? [00:05:41] still works for me, but I preloaded everything [00:06:08] seems to load faster for me [00:06:17] still have the mysql error, thoguh [00:06:37] i still get absolutely nothing in FF3 [00:06:41] the JS error seems to be caused by the mysql error, since it is sticking that error into some remote loaded files [00:06:41] 03(mod) interwiki transcluding with part of the page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14724 (10federicoleva) [00:06:46] at least, the wiki on port 85 seems to load faster [00:07:08] so what can I do? [00:08:50] slithytove2006, try an experiment, try loading all these files one at a time in FF3... http://p.defau.lt/?F2gAfQDg0fUIq_Bi_L0m0w [00:09:20] then see if http://sawserver.gotdns.com:85/index.php?title=Main_Page loads for you [00:09:45] (if a file times out, wait a few seconds and try again) [00:10:45] the 2 before the last one do not work [00:11:01] there we go [00:11:14] be persistent, heh [00:11:24] although the last one is gave me the mysql error, but not anymore [00:11:33] no mysql error now? [00:11:44] the page loaded, but still seems to be stalled at the end [00:11:54] right [00:12:00] I looked online and it told me to remove mysql extention duplicate in php.ini [00:12:06] so it seems like two possibly related problems [00:12:11] want me to put it back [00:12:15] none of the images loaded, for the same reason those pages wouldnt load? [00:12:25] no. its only supposed to be there once [00:12:50] what? [00:12:59] dont put the line back [00:13:02] one is that the php error is causing slow loads and timeouts in some remote files, the other is that the server software or ISP is dropping parallel connections [00:13:30] oh... that beacuse of an IIS setting... let me fix it... [00:14:03] SAWBG: when someone tries to load a wiki page, the HTML is transferred, and then the web browser serializes all the dependences, of which there are a base 7 (more for other actions, like diff and edit). These all get requested at once, but most fail to load [00:14:19] and if any fail to load, the page doens't get shown in most browsers [00:14:37] in some versions of IE, it will show the page even when the connections stall [00:14:42] soooo..., Wikis on home ocnnectin are a bad idea? [00:15:11] well, fixing that php error might help... [00:15:12] hmm [00:15:17] is Special:DoubleRedirects returning false postivies? [00:15:21] but also trying other ports might, like 80 or 8080 [00:16:04] hmm, the php error is gone now? [00:16:07] The Mighty Magyars (Edit) →‎ Aranycsapat →‎ Golden Team [00:16:07] The Marvellous Magyars (Edit) →‎ Aranycsapat →‎ Golden Team [00:16:07] The Magnificent Magyars (Edit) →‎ Aranycsapat →‎ Golden Team [00:16:17] shouuld be [00:16:17] none point to Aranycsapat [00:16:24] *Splarka doesn't see it anymore [00:16:25] but directly to Golden Team [00:16:29] want me to set it on a different port? [00:16:31] can you load pages in FF or IE7 now, SAWBG [00:16:34] unlike what special doublreredirects report [00:16:34] ? [00:16:37] when i telnet to port 85 and doa manual request, it loads immediatly [00:16:48] slithytove2006: yep, because it is just one request [00:16:51] same for a view-source: [00:18:03] is there an option is IIS to limit parallel requests? [00:18:23] about loading in FF, Solarka, I always have been able to over my home network [00:18:48] and proxies. Just not from school or church with IE7 or FF3 [00:18:55] SAWBG:images and everything? [00:19:16] wondering if someone could help me. I setup mediawiki, i locked down the whole page so its only registered users, although is there anyway to hide the navigation or display a different layout so unregistered users cannot see the toolbars, etc? [00:19:21] proxies, not everything, only text, really, but with IE6, everything [00:19:24] White_Cat: possibly related to https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17300 which was broked on WMF for ~10 days and fixed yesterday, certain page moves caused redirects not to be registered, but tim ran a fixit script, which might cause oddities in the space-time continuum [00:20:07] White_Cat: possibly try a null edit on the redirect in question to see if it strikes itself out (or even a non-null whitespace changing edit) [00:20:27] is it possible that SAWBG's host is limiting his incoming connections? [00:20:44] or that IIS has an unlimited for local, but limits external? [00:20:56] mvsn: that would require custom changes to the skin in use [00:21:01] I didn't theink they did that anymore... too much traffic to monitor. but [00:21:25] slithy: thats okay, would there be a tutorial anywhere you could recommend? im having a hard time finding the instructions... i imagine its been done before. [00:21:27] SAWBG: yah, try port 8080 [00:21:42] with AT&TY my family only has 256kbs up... I;ve been wanting more qwith a staticIP, but my paretns don''t want to spoend the money [00:21:51] mvns: i coludnt find one, i had to figure it out myself. =[ are u familiar with php and html? [00:22:01] mvsn: "i locked down the whole page so its only registered user" from edit or read? [00:22:10] your hosting this on 256k up? [00:22:22] not by chooice, but yes, it is. [00:22:47] its locked down to registered user only... all i get is login required.. but i can see all the layouts... i know how to work with php and html, but i cannot write php from scratch [00:22:55] AT&T is stingy, unlike Verizon, who hasn't come to Alabama yet. [00:23:07] i dont know much abotu networking, but is it possible that eir's modem cant handle it and is therefore hanging? [00:23:39] mvsn: wikia has an extension or hack to set a specific skin to a specific page, you could possibly have the main page and user login as a custom skin with no navigation or menus (sounds like a lot of work though) [00:23:45] never thought about that. but what about the different browsers and the error on line 10? [00:24:05] just trying to figure out the best easiest method thats all [00:24:16] heh [00:24:21] oh, i know, and I appreciate your work [00:24:30] I just cab't figue all this out!!!!! [00:24:39] splarka/mvsn: my site does just this. it looks different if you are logged it. i made my skin checkif an edit was possible, and if so, returned one set uf html, and otherwise returned a different one [00:24:43] splarka: do you know what i should be searching for [00:24:48] mvsn: whitelist site CSS and body.page-Special_Login #column-one { display:none;} [00:25:02] [00:25:07] Is there a way to give access to unwatched pages to a non-admin? [00:25:47] $wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['unwatchedpages'] = true; [00:25:50] Splarka: i wouldnt say im lazy lol. im juggling between so much stuff. what do you mean by what you wrote? [00:25:58] Mufka: give that right to the custom group you want to have it [00:26:15] y'all talking to me? [00:26:16] mvsn: I meant that was the lazy method [00:26:21] mufka: i dont know if i fully understand what youre asking, but the lock feature makes it so oly admins can edit. perhaps unlock to wiki for all users, but lock certain pages [00:26:26] SAWBG: put your wiki on port 8080 as a test [00:26:34] give me 2 min [00:26:56] mvsn: im gonna send you an exerpt from my skin in a PM so as not to spam the channel [00:26:58] slithytove2006: I think they mean Special:UnwatchedPages which requires the 'unwatchedpages' right [00:27:16] oo. i apologize [00:27:39] Splarka: no way through gui? [00:27:45] nope [00:27:47] ok [00:27:59] unless you have the configure extension, which requires non-gui stuff to install, heh [00:28:09] mvsn: okay, this is what I mean... http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgWhitelistRead lists pages non-'read' groups can access [00:28:33] 03(mod) interwiki transcluding with part of the page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14724 +comment (10alex.brollo) [00:28:43] by default site CSS is not in that, but you can add it, I think simply with $wgWhitelistRead = array("Main Page", "Special:Userlogin", "MediaWiki:Common.css"); [00:29:29] on 8080 now [00:29:39] now, if you load that, you then have the power to hide stuff per-page for even anon users, for example to hide all menus for Special:UserLogin: body.page-Special_UserLogin #column-one { display:none;} [00:30:01] SAWBG: trying [00:30:13] me too [00:30:15] it stalled but seems to be reviving the connections [00:30:45] php error gone [00:30:56] hmm, now it stopped [00:31:05] *Splarka back/forwards [00:32:11] SAWBG: some ISPs block or limit ports below 1024, since most client software uses ports over 1024 for replies, and there was a chance it would work better [00:32:28] did it? [00:32:37] nope... [00:32:54] moving back to 85... [00:33:02] or should I? [00:33:15] well, try it at 8080 from your church/school [00:34:16] you might try another server (hardware and/or software), or another cablemodem, or another ISP, but probably you'll have to host it properly [00:34:23] ok. After letting it load for a time can you see the page? [00:34:36] nope, not unless I load each css/js page individually first [00:34:40] tried another server, see above [00:35:07] the parallel connections just stall and time out [00:35:21] I'll limit it to one and only you try [00:35:54] sawbg: one isnt enough. it think he said base is like 7 or something for a mw page. [00:35:57] 03dale * r47122 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [00:35:57] minor remote search bug & style fix [00:35:57] maintenance updates [00:36:08] theres images several css, several js and the page itself all have to load [00:36:13] right, it is like it is dropping several of them, when it should defer them [00:36:22] *Splarka only loads 2 at a time anyway [00:36:39] ok limited to one [00:37:14] in my browser:network.http.max-connections-per-server = 2 [00:37:30] ??? [00:37:38] that means, my browser only ever tries 2 at a time [00:37:53] SAW: which port, 8080 still? now I am not getting anything [00:38:07] splarka: what if you set it to 1, then try his site? theoretically that would work wouldnt it? [00:38:21] yes, one one at a time. I can go back to unlimited, but you probaly strill wont get anything [00:38:54] slithytove2006: maybe... hmm [00:39:26] SAWBG: set it back to unlimited, I'll try again, with 1 max [00:40:08] done [00:40:35] slithytove2006: I think everyone should use max of 2 per server, it speeds things up, too many parallel connections choke things in my observation [00:40:57] but some people don't like waiting for a big top image to load before getting all the small ones [00:42:13] hmmmmm [00:42:17] stalls out on http://sawserver.gotdns.com:8080/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.css&usemsgcache=yes&action=raw&ctype=text/css&smaxage=18000 [00:42:21] hate to seam rude, but let's get back on subject. I appriciate y'all's help, but I 've got homework still to do. [00:42:30] What permissions should the mediawiki install folder have? I have mine currently set to 755, my user/group is wiki/wiki and apache is on 99/99 - it's a shared host so i don't have root access. [00:42:45] SAWBG: picky picky, okay, lets try drastic measures [00:42:56] ready [00:43:02] *Splarka looks up the variable [00:43:10] in LocalSettings: [00:43:12] $wgUseSiteCss = false; [00:43:17] $wgUseSiteJs = false; [00:43:28] you want them set there>? [00:43:31] that should remove two more loads per-page, the ones that are stalling anyway [00:43:37] er, three more actually [00:43:41] yes, set those to that there [00:44:10] Splarka: any idea on those permissions ;-p [00:44:14] if that fixes it, then the problem might not even be your ISP or server/hardware, heh [00:44:16] creating enties [00:44:16] nope [00:44:57] Simetrical: you still around? [00:45:03] doesn't seem to work [00:45:19] SAWBG: sec [00:45:27] sorry :) [00:45:33] *Splarka reloads [00:45:50] they're still being loaded [00:46:00] hmm [00:46:10] you sure you put those into LocalSettings.php at the end? [00:46:42] yes, I did [00:46:58] are u on FF, splarka? [00:47:13] mozilla [00:47:15] odd... [00:47:37] > PHP Parse error: parse error in F:\WikiBible\LocalSettings.php on line 128 [00:47:46] what I got [00:47:51] SAWBG: check that line, something wrong ^_^ [00:47:58] missing semicolon maybe? [00:48:12] needs a simicolon before them!? [00:48:21] no, after [00:48:21] I thought that mad eiy a comment' [00:48:27] ahhh..... [00:48:35] possibly the last line above those two didn't have one [00:48:35] try now [00:48:47] got it [00:48:47] better [00:48:52] *Splarka tries [00:48:53] yep [00:48:55] can you swee it [00:48:55] loads fine now [00:49:02] praie the Lord [00:49:12] no pun intended, see content of wiki [00:49:18] unless I spoke too soon [00:49:36] the page I was trying to load loaded fine, but a second one is being slow [00:49:37] Satan's messing with my serevrs, I'm sure of it... [00:49:46] heh [00:49:59] 03vrandezo * r47123 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticResultFormats/ (INSTALL README RELEASE-NOTES SRF_Settings.php): version 1.4.2 release [00:50:07] dout that. just need to take some collage classes on this stuff this summer [00:50:28] well, anyway, to repeat again, something is funky, and it could be MediaWiki at fault, or your ISP, or server, and your best bet is to host on a static IP, heh [00:50:52] get a proper server, and put it in a folder called w =] [00:50:56] but try from church/school now, and get back to us tomorrow [00:51:24] so that was like 5 questions all at once? [00:51:32] yeah [00:51:34] I will. Thanks! We ended just in time. I was about to take a dump in my pants. gotta go! [00:51:44] ... [00:52:06] did all the questions get answered? [00:52:09] *Splarka wonders why he set his keep-alive timeout to 20 min [00:53:40] rapidgame: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Installing_MediaWiki has some info on suggested folder permissions [00:54:06] 777 or 755 it seems [00:54:18] Splarka: yeah, i've been looking at the - but im finding that it conflicts with some other suggestions on the forums etc [00:55:04] that's what you get when there are multiple answers with no clear superior one [00:55:30] rapidgame: personally, i use 755 for everythnig... [00:55:46] Splarka, I set keepalive to 5+ min just because I can, with lighttpd. :) [00:55:47] lol, yeah - was hoping someone here on IRC would know, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Securing_database_passwords has some different ideas as well [00:55:58] 1302 connections, practically all keepalive. [00:56:21] By which I mean 1294 or so of them are keepalive. [00:56:24] What should I hammer nails in with? claw hammer, ball-pean hammer, waffle hammer, sledge hammer, banana?... some clearly can be eliminated, but multiple answers with differing opinions and circumstantial allowances [00:56:39] lol. nice [00:56:43] slithytove2006: honestly I have no idea about file permissions lol, is 755 secure though, letting world execute files? [00:57:18] what happens if a file in ur wiki gets executed? [00:57:28] if its not index.php, it returns that it cant be executed on its own [00:57:30] ur.wikipedia.org ? [00:57:39] and if it is index.php, it loads your wiki [00:59:11] slithytove2006: haha, so 755 is fine? like i said, i have no clue ;-p [00:59:20] thats what i use [00:59:32] probably sholud use use 700 on the maintenence folder [00:59:37] and on AdminSettings.php if you have it [00:59:51] The execute bit generally may as well be the same for all users, except for directories and setuid binaries. [01:00:06] Well, unless a user can't read the binary. [01:00:34] I mean, if you have a program and it's 744 or something, that's not going to stop anyone from running it. They can just copy it, set the copy +x, and execute it from there. [01:01:16] -x on directories stops users from referring to any files they contain (barring hard links), and -x on setuid binaries could plausibly be used for something sensible (although I've never seen it). [01:02:02] You might want to set things to 700 or 750, but only if the webserver is the same user/group as the files. [01:02:23] simetrical: did you still wantto see that change i made to the links for my wiki? [01:02:48] the webserver is 99 99 - i'm on wiki wiki so i guess i have to go with 755? [01:03:16] if your on a shared host, the server is not the same as the files [01:03:34] hence allowing read and execute on them for world [01:03:59] also, (i believe this is the case) if a php file isnt executable, doesnt it just send straight text to the browser? [01:04:15] yes, can i change that? [01:05:17] slithytove2006, sure, go ahead and post it. Filing a bug (severity: enhancement) at bugzilla.wikimedia.org and posting it there would be better, though. [01:05:41] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Localsettings#Security - recommends 700 for LocalSettings, but i assume since the webserver and my user (therefore the files) are on different users, that it should be 755? [01:05:47] slithytove2006, in some shared hosts, the user that the PHP process runs as is actually the same as the user. This is true if they use CGI. [01:05:55] At least, it *can* be true if they use CGI. [01:06:04] From a security perspective this is the best way to do things. 1and1.com does it. [01:06:15] From a performance perspective it might not be ideal. [01:06:24] rapidgame, yes, that page is stupid. [01:06:27] oo. i see [01:06:34] Well, not exactly stupid. [01:06:36] Whatever. [01:07:02] haha thanks - so I can sleep safely at night if everything is set to 755, except for the images folder, which needs to be 777? [01:10:45] someone with the proper knowledge should really update both http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Securing_database_passwords and http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Localsettings#Security to remove the conflicts [01:18:45] isnt there a variable i can set in localsettings.php to temporarily disable the wiki? [01:21:25] slithytove2006, exit("The wiki is currently undergoing maintenance.")? [01:21:32] :) [01:21:45] hmm. fine! [01:22:27] moin [01:22:51] Why do you want to temporarily disable the wiki? [01:22:58] *kraehe wonders if there is a way to get the plain content of a lemma, without hypertext reformatting around [01:23:18] A lemma? [01:23:44] somewiki.domain/wiki/Lemma [01:23:54] yes, there is [01:24:12] go to the edit version of th page [01:24:20] and change "edit" in the url to "raw" [01:24:31] this would display some text ... is there a way to get the wikisource without html around for this Lemma? [01:24:42] kraehe, do you mean "page"? [01:24:57] or page, if you plz [01:25:13] i want the source (wiki source) without any html style around [01:25:17] http://www.fernleycircles.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=raw gives the wikicode [01:25:21] kraehe, action=raw [01:25:46] you mean the code that is input into the edit box, right? [01:26:08] ah thanks Simetrical ;) [01:26:53] Well, slithytove2006 was saying the exact same thing. [01:32:41] is it ok to ask a general php question here? [01:33:15] given $a = false; and $b = true; [01:33:38] if you were to run if($a and $b) ... [01:33:45] would the value of b ever be checked? [01:34:00] slithytove2006, no, it wouldn't. PHP short-circuits, like C. [01:34:33] it realizes that the value will be false even tho the entire expression has not yet been calculated, then? [01:35:28] Yes. [01:35:37] hmm. is ($a and $b) the same as ($a && $b)? [01:37:29] Yes. [01:40:19] what's a superuse? [01:40:33] whats the context? [01:40:48] *user [01:40:57] for in AdminSettings.php [01:41:13] a user with full access [01:41:22] to every part of the database [01:42:05] 03werdna * r47124 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/ (8 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) [01:42:05] Rewrite of Abuse Filter parser tokeniser. [01:42:05] I've made it more performant and fixed a few bugs by using regexes [01:42:05] instead of PHP loops, where possible, under the assumption that the [01:42:05] PCRE parser is more efficient than the same thing implemented in pure PHP. [01:42:08] Also, I'm now passing the same string around and calculating offsets, which [01:42:10] Tim tells me is far more performant than continually truncating the same string. [01:42:54] it may be bad form, but my wiki db users always have full permissions [01:43:17] slithytove2006: so if I create a new SQL user with permissions set to all, that would be a superuser - atm my SQL user has only 4 out of the possible permissions [01:43:28] yes [01:43:57] on a private server, you colud just use the root user [01:44:06] but you wont have access to that on a shared host [01:44:38] cool, thanks [01:45:07] is it recommended to keep $wgEnableProfileInfo set to false? [01:48:37] "performant"! [01:50:11] *Marybelle stabs werdnum. [01:50:48] *MrZ-man|busy makes Marybelle's knives more performant [01:52:43] ? [01:53:43] you will only need profiling in specific instances [01:54:05] Profiling tracks code execution during a page action and reports back the percentage of total code execution that was spent in any specific function. [01:56:05] are all of the functions built into MW set up to allow profiling? [01:58:22] g2g. bye byes [02:40:07] 03yaron * r47125 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticDrilldown/includes/SD_Utils.inc: Added loading of SMW messages [02:48:53] hiya. how do those "picture of the day" and "topic of the day" things work on wikipedia/ [02:51:59] dated templates, {{ picture of the day/{{CURRENTMONTNAME}}/{{CURRENTDAY}} }} [03:03:57] i see [03:04:10] not quite sure i udnerstand how THOSE work, though [03:04:22] morning TimStarling [03:04:34] hi [04:34:52] 03yaron * r47126 10/trunk/extensions/ExternalData/ED_Utils.php: Added handling of XML tag attributes, and multiple rows of data for XML [04:45:08] does anybody knwo if mwlib has a function to write to a wiki already? [04:45:13] I'm not seeing it [04:48:49] AFAIK, mwlib is for parsing wikitext, not writing it [06:02:54] 03(NEW) Values of properties in queries don't expand inside wiki-syntax - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17443 major; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (ludovic) [06:34:52] 03tstarling * r47127 10/trunk/extensions/Cite/Cite_body.php: Don't double-parse messages, it breaks lots of things. Fixes bug #17442. [06:40:32] 03(FIXED) RunJobs.php appearing as a sortkey in categories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17442 +comment (10tstarling) [07:10:20] 03(mod) RunJobs.php appearing as a sortkey in categories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17442 (10tstarling) [07:24:12] Hi [07:24:21] How do i do namespace shortcuts? [07:24:27] IE WP is for Wikipedia [07:24:51] !wg NamespaceAliases [07:24:51] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgNamespaceAliases [07:25:00] thanks [07:29:16] morning people [07:43:37] did i miss anythnig good? [07:44:35] slithytove2006: http://is.gd/3pEd [07:45:18] its not loading [07:46:06] well, when it does load, it is the logs for this channel [07:46:15] o [07:46:16] lol [07:46:39] http://toolserver.org/~amidaniel/chanlogs/%23mediawiki/20090211.txt [07:47:09] Is there any function to get page protection details? [07:48:03] in php, wikicode, or javascript? [07:48:32] wikicode [07:48:42] {{PROTECTIONLEVEL:action}} [07:48:50] see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words#Technical_metadata [07:48:57] thanks [07:48:58] 1.15+ though [07:49:04] don't think it's technically appropriate for me to say you are a fucking retard for thinking a room with 371 people in it is dead, and further a really stupid asstard for not reading the topic, and on top of that, if you think it's not for #math almost certainly isn't. [07:49:35] slithytove2006: ?? [07:49:49] splarka: thats from #math [07:50:21] we don't believe in other channels, there is only the mediawiki [08:02:01] sorry net connection died [08:02:05] so did i get a replay? [08:02:31] 03(mod) interwiki transcluding with part of the page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14724 (10federicoleva) [08:02:36] 03(mod) Labeled Section Transclusion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5881 (10federicoleva) [08:04:20] CrushKing_X: http://toolserver.org/~amidaniel/chanlogs/%23mediawiki/20090211.txt [08:13:39] Hi! Does someone knows where maintenance/importDump.php --uploads takes the files to upload from? The current directory? [08:14:13] Or, maybe that should be a subtree of wiki filesystem repository? [08:14:57] This part of importDump is not documented well enough. [08:18:57] 03tstarling * r47128 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/tables.sql: Fixed broken comment (fails on my version of MySQL) [08:19:36] thanks Splarka :) [08:20:00] whoopsies. [08:20:27] Splarka: are you on the wiki admin team? [08:22:10] the what? [08:22:31] damn [08:22:41] ahh well, looks like Unicode was a failure, we have to go back to ascii: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Please_replace_.22.E2.86.92.22_with_.22-.3E.22 [08:22:47] because one guy's phone won't show unicode [08:24:41] Splarka: I finally got the NTLM extension to work, but i found a bug in it and im going to fix it which means rewrite some of it... i wanted to ask if i can then post it in the extension as an update to it... [08:25:59] so "wiki admin team" you mean MediaWiki developers? (I am not one) [08:26:23] splarka: what is that symbol used for?? [08:26:24] (because i'm too lazy to work with php) [08:26:32] *Charitwo hides [08:26:47] slithytove2006: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&action=history [08:27:10] see after the "bytes" in the first part of the comment, if there is a section named in grey, the symbol is there linking to that section [08:27:26] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&diff=269960904&oldid=269951941&diffonly=true [08:27:44] also on a diff, you see it for 'next/previous' as well [08:28:16] oo [08:28:17] i see [08:29:16] is there a definition somewhere that defines what that symbol is? [08:30:07] yes, it is called unicode [08:30:14] no no [08:30:21] *smirk* [08:30:22] i mean a definition that says "use this character here" [08:30:41] yes, there is an interface message, see the thread linked to in the original sarcastic remark [08:30:50] (or, there was, might be hard coded now) [08:31:35] we could define some sort of "ascii-only" option (perhaps a skin thats is very limited (perhaps specifically designed for limited browsers like phones)) that changes characters of that nature [08:31:58] did you read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Please_replace_.22.E2.86.92.22_with_.22-.3E.22 ? [08:32:08] parts of it. suppose i sholud huh..4 [08:32:11] sry [08:33:31] those two arrows are used in at least 16 places in MessagesEn.php [08:33:48] ah. theres already a mobile interface [08:45:00] moin [08:48:18] 03purodha * r47129 10/trunk/extensions/Interwiki/SpecialInterwiki.i18n.php: Typing error in message text. [08:51:12] 03mkroetzsch * r47130 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/storage/SMW_SQLStore2_Queries.php: removed CASCASDE option from PostgreSQL-specific code, not needed; updated some comments [08:51:59] 03mkroetzsch * r47131 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_GlobalFunctions.php: this is SMW 1.4.2 [08:53:19] 14(DUP) Some errors with PHP 5.3.0. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17407 +comment (10alex.emsenhuber) [08:53:21] 03(mod) Incompatibility between parser cache and PHP 5.3-snapshot version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16505 +comment (10alex.emsenhuber) [08:53:23] 03(mod) Some errors with PHP 5.3.0. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17407 (10alex.emsenhuber) [08:53:26] 03(mod) Lazy loading and passing by reference - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15854 +comment (10alex.emsenhuber) [08:54:36] 03mkroetzsch * r47132 10/tags/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/REL_1_4_2/: Release tag for SMW 1.4.2 [08:56:43] 03mkroetzsch * r47133 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_GlobalFunctions.php: version number changed to distinguish the changing SVN version from 1.4.2 [09:24:29] hi, which variables comes from this string extract( $dbr->tableNames( 'page', 'revision','user' )); ? [09:25:01] line 28 on Atrribute.php [09:26:50] =) [09:27:26] Is it possible to have open account creation but not having the accounts activated before they're approved by admin? [09:27:50] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmAccount [09:27:56]