[00:34:36] Ok, can someone explain why: "MediaWiki was not originally designed for private wikis, so other software may be more suitable." - as long as a private wiki would mean no one except users (i create) are able to edit pages. Is the affirmation still valid in my context? [00:37:45] izua: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access [00:38:15] mediawiki supports granular write restrictions all day, it is read restriction which is all or nothing [00:46:13] any template gurus around? [00:46:46] I need a sane person that can write the code for a template that can calucate how many years, days, hours, minutes and seconds are left to a spesific date [00:47:38] hi, i just installed mediawiki for my site and it works fine (http://wiki.jesujuva.org) but i would like to add a second wiki for one of my subdomains http://bach.jesujuva.org so how can i add a 2nd mediawiki on the same machine? i gave my first wiki the database table prefix: mw_ [00:48:47] !farm | zu22 [00:48:47] --mwbot-- zu22: To run multiple wikis, you can simply install MediaWiki in different folders, with different databases or in one with database prefixes. You can also have multiple wikis using a single installation: and . [00:52:47] MrZ-man: thanks! [01:03:24] MrZ-man you any good with parser functions? [01:06:01] White_Cat: use #time [01:06:04] White_Cat: Marybelle can help [01:06:09] or Splarka [01:06:47] White_Cat: kinda silly to do that much precision in a template that gets cached [01:12:35] well [01:12:54] not if article covers Y2K38 bug [01:13:20] Splarka do you have any documentation for #time? [01:14:25] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/Userboxes/Y2K38 [01:14:27] sandbox [01:14:32] feel free to edit [01:14:44] what would Y2K38 bug have to do with second-precision being useless due to caching? [01:15:00] Splarka it can be used to present estimates [01:15:23] "As of this date an hour" kind of a deal [01:15:37] could be as accurate as hours I suppose [01:15:42] but going the extra mile cant harm [01:16:02] hmm, where is that damned page [01:16:05] mediawiki will be improved in 38 years to better chached [01:16:07] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions#.23time: [01:16:37] Splarka err. [01:16:43] I'd need to subtract time :) [01:16:51] current time from future one [01:16:58] or the other way around :P [01:17:16] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions#.23time: [01:17:26] TimStarling: hey, do you think you could check /home/wikipedia/bin/start-ircbot, and mxircecho.py into SVN, please? [01:18:45] Splarka maybe I am not seeing the right section but I dont see any calculations there [01:19:13] my fault, I thought you were familiar with #expr [01:19:20] I am not really [01:19:23] read the #expr section too and enlightenment will follow [01:19:51] from what I have lerant so far I could just #expr currenthour and future one [01:19:55] minutes and seconds too [01:20:01] and #time would correct it right? [01:22:06] {{#time:U}} {{#time:U|December 25 2009}} -> 1234574506 1261699200 [01:22:35] give you any ideas? [01:24:52] oh [01:25:12] yes! [01:25:43] do I have to use "december" [01:25:49] I can use 12 instead right? [01:34:29] Splarka okay [01:34:41] how would I go from U time to gregorian? [01:37:04] Anybody have an idea why the portlets on my Main_Page are shrinked, while they look just fine on every other page? [01:37:23] is this a common problem? [01:37:44] 03(NEW) RSS and Atom feed link text is lowercased when using Standard/Classic skin - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17488 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (marcin.cieslak) [01:37:47] RoFLKOPTr: sounds like a css isue [01:37:53] issue* [01:38:19] Yeah, it does, but as far as I'm aware, Main_Page uses the same CSS as everything else, doesn't it? [01:38:44] yes, unless you changed something [01:52:25] 03tparscal * r47246 10/trunk/extensions/ClientSide/: Initial import. [01:52:46] 03(mod) Autoreview without flag - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17243 (10marcin.cieslak) [01:53:06] 03tparscal * r47247 10/trunk/extensions/ClientSide/ (. ClientSide.php): Initial import. [01:53:37] 03tparscal * r47248 10/trunk/extensions/CommunityVoice/: Initial import. [01:54:21] 03tparscal * r47249 10/trunk/extensions/CommunityVoice/ (28 files in 5 dirs): Initial import. [01:57:06] 03(mod) {{PLURAL:}} does not work in previous/next messages on category page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17209 (10marcin.cieslak) [01:57:42] RoFLKOPTr: probably a missing or [01:58:11] White_Cat: why would you want to go _to_ gregorian? just mod/divide the difference between the two dates (given in seconds) to get each unit of time [02:08:00] White_Cat: http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Countdown?action=edit [02:08:45] weeks and months are hard to do precisely, due to inconsistency (with months) and the fact 7 doesn't divide into 365 or 366 (for weeks_ [02:24:03] oh my god [02:24:07] Splarka [02:24:11] thank you, lol [02:24:31] I found an unclosed
block in one of the templates on the front page [02:29:51] *Splarka nods [02:35:26] 03(mod) Oversight navigation links broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17364 (10jayvdb) [04:29:24] Is there a way to use a client like Irsii instead of ircII for the IRC RC bot? [04:31:56] irssi supports perl scripting as well [04:32:36] enhydra, do you know how to use irsii for the RC bot? [04:33:08] no, and I never had to; what I would do is writing a quick python script for this [04:38:08] Is it easy to add a box at the right corner of some articles? Something like what happens to places (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chubut_Province) but I want the box to be associated with a title, not with the whole page. [04:43:26] I found it. Thanks :) [04:58:30] How do I make [[User:user|user]] work? [04:59:19] it should work out of the box [04:59:24] theres nothing special to that [05:00:23] p858snake: It is not working. I'm trying it in a wiki in Spanish. Maybe there's another name for it? [05:00:43] it will the localiazed name then [05:01:33] p858snake: It works. Thank you. [05:11:05] Why is my wiki's protection function not working? [05:13:09] did you accidentally assign the 'protect' right to anons? [05:13:23] I did that once, took me about half an hour to figure it out [05:13:56] well, technically I did it on purpose, but forgot to undo it [05:14:19] Woah... [05:14:29] My mw_protected_titles table is completely empty [05:14:51] did you protect any titles? [05:15:01] *werdnum looks in. [05:15:01] MrZ-man, yes [05:15:03] I wrote that feature. [05:15:13] http://scriptwiki.net/wiki/Main Page [05:15:18] werdnum: yes you did [05:15:25] If you look at the history, you see that we are protecting [05:15:39] Where are the logs usually kept? [05:15:45] normal protection uses the page_restrictions table [05:15:55] Oh :P [05:16:17] # (Protection log); 05:07 . . Soxred93 (Talk | contribs) changed protection level for "Main Page" [edit=sysop] (indefinite) [move=sysop] (indefinite) (Urm...) [05:16:24] one of these days I should really make the protection form less ugly [05:17:01] werdnum: you're at stage 4... 1) Wow, mediawiki is cool! 2) Wow, I wanna help out 3) Wow, I wrote a feature! 4) Wow, I wrote a feature people talk about. 5) Bah, I wrote a feature people won't stop bugging me about 6) Damn, I wrote most of this code, and everyone keeps wanting changes and bugging _me_ about them. [05:17:04] hello [05:17:30] and you, mr sparkla, are at stage 6? [05:17:36] Splarka: Somewhere in between 4 and 5 :p [05:17:50] I am not on the dev 12 step program [05:17:52] which feature, werdnum? [05:17:57] protected titles. [05:17:58] werdnum, the problem is that it's only applying move protection [05:17:59] Splarka: I'm at 6 with a couple of my enwiki scripts :P [05:18:02] slithytove2006: channel is logged, read for context [05:18:03] kirjain_X: weird. [05:18:38] yay. i can now natively support google contacts and calendar on my iphone =] [05:18:38] mysql> select * from cw_page_restrictions; [05:18:38] +---------+---------+----------+------------+---------+-----------+-------+ [05:18:38] | pr_page | pr_type | pr_level | pr_cascade | pr_user | pr_expiry | pr_id | [05:18:38] | 1 | move | sysop | 0 | NULL | infinity | 22 | [05:18:49] That's all she wrote [05:19:10] I have about a dozen feature requests for my AFD closing and ref formatting scripts [05:20:08] I need to find someone else willing to work with my horrible JS... [05:20:19] Splarka: looking for a weekend project? [05:20:57] splarka/werdnum: in reference to the feature we were talking about yesterday: do you think it would be more appropriate for me to try to use preestablished functions to parse te link text, or sholud i write a quick parser myself? [05:21:43] werdnum, where's the debug log? [05:21:45] *Splarka stabs MrZ slowly [05:22:17] MrZ: I try not to mess with other people's JS if it is more than a page or two, and if it uses ugly obfuscated abstract dot syntax and annoying indenting [05:22:56] popups, twinkle and huggle, oh my [05:23:08] Hi. I get this error when I log to my Wiki site: 1194: Table 'objectcache' is marked as crashed and should be repaired (localhost) : wat should i do ? [05:23:13] Splarka: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mr.Z-man/closeAFD.js and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mr.Z-man/refToolbar.js [05:24:01] *Splarka ponders a Kindle 2, no SD slot, but free 3G wireless browser and text-to-speech.. [05:24:08] @vInOdH: you should go to mysql.com, open the documentation for your version of mysql. do a search for the work "repair" and do what it says [05:24:35] Thanks. So it is nothing related to Mediawiki Directly ? [05:24:38] MrZ: innerHtml :( [05:24:39] nope [05:24:46] Thank You :) [05:24:50] yw [05:25:21] $360, meh, someone buy me a Kindle 2 [05:25:43] do u have a kindle 1? [05:26:31] nope, I mostly want a portable TTS, the Kindle 2 is the first ebook to have one I believe [05:27:29] (is also possible with a Nokia phone with linux, but that is annoying) [05:27:49] tts=text to speech, right? [05:28:00] si [05:28:18] input .txt file, output stephen hawking wannabe [05:28:20] the iphone has it with a few apps.. [05:28:42] stab stab [05:29:03] anything with a proprietary built-in unremovable battery needs to die a quick death [05:29:11] (which the Kindle 2 has as well) [05:29:27] lets compare, shall we [05:29:33] they both have tts, which you want [05:29:35] lets not [05:29:38] they both have built in batter [05:29:54] *Splarka /ignore, gets food [05:30:02] except one is almost half the other in price [05:30:36] and also acts as a phone, contacts, calendar, email, chat, telnet, et infintum [05:35:51] Can permissions be set so that only the bob can edit bobs userpage, and only alice can edit alice's userpage etc.? [05:36:39] I read that as 'boob' [05:37:48] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AuthorProtect [05:37:55] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:UserPageEditProtection [05:38:19] navap: normally, no. with extensions or hacks, yes [05:38:48] I see [05:39:14] navap: idk if the extensions support this, but when i wanted user pages only editable by the user, i left the user talk pages open so ppl could still comment [05:39:20] werdnum, I just dropped and recreated the table [05:39:31] kirjain_X: :O [05:39:31] It's still only moveprotecting it [05:39:40] kirjain_X: is your software unadulterated? [05:39:47] ? [05:40:04] Disable all extensions and live hacks, try again. [05:40:17] slithytove2006: Yes, that would be ideal. [05:42:18] http://scriptwiki.net/wiki/Python_Snippets - ugh, pywikipedia [05:42:39] dont like it, mrz? [05:43:05] text = site.getUrl(path) [05:43:05] if '
' in text: [05:43:18] possibly the crappiest way to check for new messages [05:43:40] does it work? will it fail? whats the problem? [05:44:11] it works, but a bot screenscraping for interface bits is Doing it wrong [05:44:21] werdnum, still doesn't work [05:44:31] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=userinfo&uiprop=hasmsg [05:44:39] ^The right way [05:44:56] mrz: pywikipedia sholud be rewritten using the api [05:45:15] kirjain_X: revert to r46424, try again [05:45:18] i could be wrong, but i believe the api wasnt implimented when pywikipedia was created [05:45:27] werdnum, how? [05:45:33] its in progress, but pywiki is so gigantic its just going really slow [05:45:48] using the api will make it much smaller [05:45:53] http://pypi.python.org/pypi/wikitools [05:45:54] kirjain_X: svn update -r r46424 [05:45:56] oops [05:45:59] kirjain_X: svn update -r 46424 [05:46:43] do any of you know how i can use SVN command line to check if there are any updates (and which files), without updating? [05:46:48] Mah wiki is regressing :( [05:47:01] I should release a new version, that one has some bugs [05:47:12] There is somethiing wrong with edit protection [05:47:19] kirjain_X: Did you revert to that revision and try again? [05:47:46] werdnum, yes [05:47:49] Still nothing [05:47:57] It doesn't work? :/ [05:47:59] No [05:48:09] something is seriously screwed up [05:48:23] *MrZ-man tests on his wiki [05:48:44] *kirjain_X has done no modifications to any sort of protection form, database entry, or anything like thst [05:49:20] Must be a configuration issue. [05:49:49] my server is taking too long to respond :\ [05:49:49] werdnum, where would it be? [05:49:51] Can I see your configuration? DOn't forget to get rid of passwords. [05:52:30] hmm, mysql doesn't seem to like me trying to import the enwiki redirect table and run a wiki at the same time [05:53:26] kirjain_X: You haven't disabled extensions. [05:53:29] or not... [05:53:38] werdnum, I did [05:53:43] They didn't do anything [05:54:11] :/ [05:54:54] werdnum, when I try to manually enter a field, it gives this error: [05:55:05] mysql> INSERT into cw_page_restrictions VALUES ('1','edit','sysop','0',NULL,'infinity','25'); [05:55:05] ERROR 1062 (23000): Duplicate entry 'sysop' for key 4 [05:55:25] show create table cw_page_restrictions [05:55:35] show create table? [05:55:38] yes [05:56:13] werdnum: that would show the type and properties of teh columns, right? [05:56:40] http://soxred93.pastebin.com/d58263797 [05:57:50] werdnum, ^ [05:57:56] kirjain_x: you cant create more than one record with level set to "sysop" [05:58:17] so how would I fix it? [05:58:54] assuming that functionality is not wanted, why are there so many UNIQUEs? [05:59:14] slithytove2006, that's what tables.sql does [05:59:39] werdnum, I just modified the 'move' value to 'edit', and now it's edit protected, not move protected [05:59:39] line 15, the fourth UNIQUE (the error also said key 4) is the one creating this restriction [05:59:54] # [05:59:55] UNIQUE KEY `cw_pr_typelevel` (`pr_type`,`pr_level`), [05:59:57] what the fuck. [06:00:07] How did you set up your wiki tables? [06:00:33] http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/maintenance/tables.sql?revision=47128&view=markup [06:01:01] CREATE UNIQUE INDEX /*i*/pr_pagetype ON /*_*/page_restrictions (pr_page,pr_type); [06:02:01] *werdnum runs git blame [06:02:07] It was catrope [06:02:07] bd251bd7 (catrope 2009-01-19 13:56:08 +0000 1202) CREATE UNIQUE INDEX /*i*/pr_typelevel ON /*_*/page_restrictions (pr_type,pr_level); [06:02:07] 45891 catrope CREATE UNIQUE INDEX /*i*/pr_pagetype ON /*_*/page_restrictions (pr_page,pr_type); [06:02:21] Should probably be removed [06:03:31] ARHGHGHGHGHGHGHHGHGHGHGGGGGGGGGGGGHGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG [06:03:55] Removing that unique index stil failz [06:04:15] Is there a mysql log file? [06:04:35] I'm thinking that there is an error in the insertion, that looking at the erorr log light solve [06:05:33] kirjain_X: Do this: [06:06:25] ALTER TABLE cw_page_restrictions drop index cw_pr_typelevel, drop index cw_pr_level, drop index cw_pr_cascade; [06:06:31] CREATE UNIQUE INDEX /*i*/pr_pagetype ON /*_*/page_restrictions (pr_page,pr_type); [06:06:35] CREATE INDEX /*i*/pr_typelevel ON /*_*/page_restrictions (pr_type,pr_level); [06:06:37] CREATE INDEX /*i*/pr_level ON /*_*/page_restrictions (pr_level); [06:06:40] CREATE INDEX /*i*/pr_cascade ON /*_*/page_restrictions (pr_cascade); [06:06:44] where /*i*/ and /*_*/ are both cw_ [06:07:09] no, it was r45764 that changed it from KEY to UNIQUE INDEX [06:07:32] I just noticed I have my mysql query cache set to 0. This looks plain wrong, but I want to make sure there isn't some problem w/using the query_cache and MediaWiki... [06:07:49] does query_caching work fine w/MediaWiki as far as anyone knows? [06:07:51] *werdnum shrugs. [06:07:52] Whatever. [06:09:52] YAAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [06:10:03] *p858snake runs git blame on werdnum >.> [06:10:08] Anyway, I'm just committing it. [06:10:14] Thanks, werdnum [06:10:17] This sucks... [06:10:27] 15 log entries now for 1 attempt at protecting [06:10:38] you can always remove them [06:10:46] Yeah [06:10:50] Raw SQL queries :P [06:10:56] 03werdna * r47250 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/tables.sql: Fix r45764, which made a whole bunch of random indices UNIQUE for no apparent reason. [06:11:17] Thanks, werdnum [06:12:02] Plz be to offering a trout to catrope [06:12:18] it was TimStarling, actually. [06:12:29] He's not the kind of person I'd usually trout :D [06:13:09] O_O [06:13:12] what is this trouting? [06:13:16] TimStarling! [06:13:19] like a fish? [06:13:22] Sean_Colombo, [[en:WP:TROUT]] [06:13:40] hahaha [06:14:23] nice :) [06:14:44] ah. the fish slapping dance [06:16:00] a luser attitude readjustmant tool... [06:16:09] my god.. you people really do have no life.. [06:23:30] for if we had no life, we could not survive and create such a wonderful thing [06:29:04] This also seems very strange... almost as if the loadbalancing isn't working correctly [06:29:50] I have LocalSettings configured to send all of my writes to the master mysql database and the reads are 80% to a slave and 20% to the master. [06:30:18] I was under the impression that MediaWikis are typically very read-intensive, so we would expect most queries to go to the slave? [06:30:28] but I'm seeing 3 times as many queries to the master. [06:31:04] :-/ the loadbalancing must be working though... I wrote a test for it when I first started using it [06:31:18] so nevermind :{ [06:31:21] *:P [06:33:04] they are mostly read intensive. [06:33:10] and I won't mind [06:33:17] must go off to read now... [06:33:59] i just looked at my test... it only tests my manual attempts to use the load-balancing... not the MediaWiki functionality [06:44:01] good night [06:49:21] i'm using rewrite via .httaccess for short url on my url....I'm wondering can I tell it not to include one specific directory? [07:26:34] Hi, I add $wgDefaultUserOptions['date'] = 'ISO 8601' to Localsetting.php but date doesn't change? what is the problem? [07:54:10] 03philip * r47251 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (9 files in 2 dirs): Update the Chinese conversion tables. [08:05:19] 04(REOPENED) Autoreview without flag - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17243 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [08:43:49] Hi, How can I Substitute MyPage & MyTalk? to get the output like this: "Please visit [[User:Name|MyPage]]" [08:48:16] Sadik_Khalid: there is a pending bug for a subst-only CURRENTUSER [08:48:40] also a pending bug for a substable REVISIONUSER (showing the username of the last user) [08:48:48] Sadik_Khalid: on which page? [08:49:16] you might have to use one of the existing USERNAME (ick) extensions to get what you want though, as MyPage is the opposite of a permanent link to a specific user, it is always the link to the current user's page [08:50:11] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10336 {{REVISIONUSER}} [08:51:31] Nikerabbit: I want to give a link to mytalk in other users talkpage [08:52:27] ahh, edit your sig [08:52:37] and, well, link to your talk page [08:52:53] 03aaron * r47252 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedRevs.hooks.php FlaggedRevs.php): Re-did autoreview right. Did away with FIRST_EDIT condition query spam and fixed bug where it didn't show in user prefs. [08:54:32] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12733 {{subst:USERNAME}} [08:55:32] Splarka:umm.. [08:55:46] um what? [08:56:08] if _you_ want to link to _your_ talk page on someone else's talk page... [08:56:11] then you just link to your talk page [08:56:20] [[User_talk:Splarka|]] [08:56:36] why do you need a magic word for that? [08:56:52] and if you always want to do it, add it to your signature, mine is: [08:56:53] --[[User:Splarka|Splarka]] ([[User_talk:Splarka|rant]]) [08:57:30] 03(FIXED) Autoreview without flag - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17243 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [08:58:32] I want to use in a template. then how can i get the username? [08:59:37] 03(FIXED) Oversight navigation links broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17364 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [09:12:36] Splarka: um for bug:12733 {{subst:USERNAME}}. this is what I am searching for [09:12:54] future [09:13:37] :-) [09:21:48] 03siebrand * r47253 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/ (30 files in 3 dirs): [09:21:48] * fix some indentation [09:21:48] * remove some commented out code [09:21:48] * remove trailing whitespace [09:21:48] * run stylize.php for all php files [09:21:48] * eol-style:native where missing [09:32:52] 03siebrand * r47254 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/LiquidThreads.php: wgSpecialPageGroups for listed special page [09:41:25] 03aaron * r47255 10/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/ (CheckUser.php checkuser.js): IP match fix and enhancements [09:49:00] 03(mod) Upgrade to the latest version of GeSHi (1.0.8) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10967 (100p9usag02) [09:54:40] 03siebrand * r47256 10/trunk/extensions/CommunityVoice/ (23 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed) [09:54:40] * delay message loading [09:54:40] * add localised aliases for special page [09:54:40] * add LoadExtensionSchemaUpdates hook for schema update using update.php [09:54:40] * add wgSpecialPageGroups for special page [09:54:41] * add version in extension credits [09:54:45] * run stylize.php, identation updates, trailing whitespace removed [09:58:40] 03siebrand * r47257 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (aliases.txt groups/mediawiki-defines.txt): Add support for CommunityVoice messages and special page aliases [10:00:07] 03raymond * r47258 10/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/CheckUser.i18n.php: Fix a search&replace error from r47239 [10:00:34] Anybody around who knows anything about CentralNotice? [10:00:36] It's broken :) [10:03:24] 03(mod) clearing one's watchlist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13250 (10charlottethewebb) [10:05:29] werdnum: just undo all edits to it till it works >.> [10:06:19] p858snake: I disabled the steward election centralnotice until somebody has a look [11:33:58] hi all [11:34:18] my wiki's RSS feed is showing a parsing error [11:34:25] http://feeds.feedburner.com/kavitakosh [11:34:52] I had encountered similar error before as well [11:35:32] and i found by Googling that it is caused by an extra space after ?> in an extension PHP file [11:35:51] at that time i could locate the culprit file easily [11:36:04] as i had just a few extensions installed [11:36:19] but lately I can installed 3-4 big extensions [11:36:33] which have 50-60 files [11:36:47] does anyone know abt this issue? [11:37:11] *Splarka usually hears people say here, that ?> is totally not needed and just causes problems, like that one [11:37:36] I think current SVN policy is to delete them with extreme prejudice [11:37:39] I have installed Widget, Cite and Sort extensions [11:38:33] hmm [11:38:50] Splarka: any suggestions how i shud solve this problem? [11:39:34] *Splarka pokles werdnum [11:56:28] 03siebrand * r47259 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (51 files): Localisation updates for extension messages from translatewiki.net (2009-02-14 11:51 UTC) [12:03:47] 03siebrand * r47260 10/trunk/extensions/ (159 files in 143 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from translatewiki.net (2009-02-14 11:51 UTC) [12:36:53] 03(NEW) SRF-Ploticus: Pass headers to CSV with Ploticus can then use to auto-label plots - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17489 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticResultFormats; (mediawiki) [12:47:03] 03(NEW) SRF-Ploticus: Create DATA as imageformat - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17490 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticResultFormats; (mediawiki) [12:50:02] hey there. if I want to make infoboxes on my wiki, as there are on wikipedia, can I simply copy-paste the css from wiki for 'infobox' class ? [12:52:41] 04(REOPENED) cleanupWatchlist.php --fix hanging - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17479 +comment (10siebrand) [13:10:05] 04(REOPENED) No indication in which language input should be - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16670 +comment (10krixel) [13:23:25] 03midom * r47261 10/trunk/debs/php5-apc/debian/ (changelog rules): [13:23:25] * don't strip debug symbols [13:23:25] * don't use futex'es, thats wrong. [13:25:32] 03(NEW) SRF-Ploticus: CSS support - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17491 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticResultFormats; (mediawiki) [13:46:00] 03(NEW) Logo change for tk.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17492 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (spacebirdy) [13:47:04] Hi, Is there any difference in performance using a wiki farm or different Namespaces if we have several wiki projects? [13:48:23] I mean instead of having a wiki farm, have each project under a namespace in one wiki [13:49:20] assuming to have one database in both cases. [13:49:42] 03(mod) No indication in which language input should be - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16670 (10siebrand) [13:55:10] 03(NEW) Bot flag hiding logs from recent changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17493 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: RecentChanges; (huji.huji) [13:55:56] there should be an inverse-blocks or inverse-dependson, possibly like 'enemy of' [13:56:10] (in bugzilla) [13:57:21] 03siebrand * r47262 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ffs/PhpVariables.php: Update header for MantisBT [14:11:45] 03(ASSIGNED) SRF-Ploticus: CSS support - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17491 (10mediawiki) [14:13:15] 03(mod) {{PLURAL:}} does not work in previous/next messages on category page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17209 (10alex.emsenhuber) [14:14:37] 03(NEW) Local user rename interferes with checking SUL-status of account - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17494 major; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CheckUser; (Annabel) [14:16:12] how can I localize a cusom namespace? I saw $wgNamespaceAliases but I need a localized string be replaced by the namespace in each language. [14:17:42] Alimo: not possible [14:19:15] even if I add it where mediawiki default namespaces are? [14:21:14] any devs looked into bug 17486? [14:26:49] 03jnatividad * r47263 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticResultFormats/Ploticus/SRF_Ploticus.php: implements bug 17491 - add CSS support [14:28:40] 03(mod) Local user rename interferes with checking SUL-status of account - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17494 major->normal (10JSchulz_4587) [14:38:28] 03(mod) Install hanp extension parser function on Korean Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13712 (10camway) [14:42:29] 03(mod) Install hanp extension parser function on Korean Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13712 (10siebrand) [14:43:16] can someone help me with a cross-table mysql query? I try to get the usernames of all sysops by mysql [14:44:06] Wuzur|rhn: go to Special:Listusers/sysop [14:44:09] and it will run the query for you [14:44:09] :) [14:44:29] SELECT user_name from user left join user_groups on user_id=ug_user where ug_group = 'sysop'; [14:44:43] try that, thanks [14:45:53] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies [14:46:01] 03ialex * r47264 10/trunk/extensions/ (15 files in 8 dirs): svn:eol-style native [14:46:10] domas: people are wondering about the status of 17486 [14:46:17] do yee have any though? [14:47:26] *AaronSchulz reverts [14:47:51] why should I? :) [14:55:58] 03aaron * r47265 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/SpecialCode.php: (bug 16932) Better fallback for Special:Code/MediaWiki/comments/... [14:56:11] 03(FIXED) Better fallback for Special:Code/MediaWiki/comments/... - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16932 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [14:56:33] 03catrope * r47266 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/api/ApiParamInfo.php): API: Make information about the main module (ApiMain) and the pageset module (ApiPageSet) available through action=paraminfo [14:58:34] 03(FIXED) SRF-Ploticus: CSS support - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17491 (10mediawiki) [15:00:03] 03(ASSIGNED) SRF-Ploticus: Pass headers to CSV with Ploticus can then use to auto-label plots - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17489 (10mediawiki) [15:00:07] domas: you are from the inner circle ツ [15:01:25] AzaTht: depends on how inner the circle is! :) [15:13:09] is it possible to import html files into media wiki? [15:13:28] incorrect: yes/no/maybe. [15:13:40] largely depends on why html is used. [15:13:56] if you lived in norway you could register yourself the domain name yes.maybe.no [15:13:57] if it's just a bit of text formatting, you can use it as-is. mediawiki allows "simple" html. [15:14:03] :P [15:14:30] basically i have to experiment [15:14:54] maybe.no ios taken by Mikkelsen Copyleft Software [15:15:00] damn [15:15:05] <^demon> That would be a cool domain name. [15:15:36] wish i had thought of it 10 years or more ago [15:15:44] incorrect: there are also html2wiki scripts out there. but it really depends on what you are trying to do. [15:15:49] <^demon> Duesentrieb: What about Somalia? [15:15:55] <^demon> yes.no.maybe.so? [15:15:56] well, it'd be maybe.no, with a subdomain of yes ;) [15:16:39] ^demon: haha, there's no whois for .so :) [15:17:04] <^demon> http://nic.so/ - HAHAHAHAH [15:17:37] to bad :) [15:17:37] i don't know why we even bother with top level domains any more, its not like the are used correctly [15:18:09] mysite.whateveriwant [15:18:09] :D [15:18:15] i thought they were doing that now? [15:18:18] /you could do it [15:18:21] there has been talk... [15:18:34] .lol will become popular ;) [15:18:42] hehe [15:18:51] i want incorrect [15:19:06] well, there'S .name now, and .info has been around for a while. [15:19:10] i like italian domains, though [15:19:13] <^demon> .name is stupid, imo. [15:19:17] right [15:19:31] .me is retarded imho [15:19:51] whats.your.name is taken :) [15:19:53] biz seems a bit useless tbh [15:20:41] *incorrect gets his credit card ready and registers, cola, coke, mars, windows, apple and microsoft [15:20:48] haha [15:20:49] cars [15:20:49] sex [15:20:57] i own sex [15:21:08] lol [15:21:26] i guess .local would get used more and more [15:21:40] and fuck up a lot of peoples internal networks ;) [15:21:48] yep [15:25:15] *^demon proposes a .wiki :) [15:25:53] that would be good [15:29:49] <^demon> I can't load gmail :-\ [15:30:04] aww [15:30:09] <^demon> Firefox keeps telling me it's a redirect loop and it's going to help me by halting page loads. [15:31:15] 03(NEW) Parser bugs with error message: MediaWiki:Cite error refs without references - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17495 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Cite; (bugzilla.wikimedia) [15:31:22] 14(DUP) Multiple customizable upload forms - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14926 +comment (10old_school_junkie) [15:31:24] 03(mod) Upload more than one file at a time - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=488 +comment (10old_school_junkie) [15:31:55] 03ialex * r47267 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.class.php: The correct option is "USE INDEX", not "FORCE INDEX" [15:32:32] 03(mod) Support multiple file uploads via Special:Upload (backend/infrastructure) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16751 +comment (10old_school_junkie) [15:32:35] 04(REOPENED) Multiple customizable upload forms - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14926 +comment (10innocentkiller) [15:32:45] 03aaron * r47268 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/CodeRevisionCommitter.php: Don't die if revisions isn't set [15:35:23] domas: hehe [15:35:52] 14(WFM) Bot flag hiding logs from recent changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17493 +comment (10huji.huji) [15:45:21] I use sem webstat analyser and wondered about wiki/opensearch_desc.php being in my Top 10 Total Entry Pages. What does that mean? They don't come to my wiki via my own search :) [15:47:08] or is it maybe the number of search queries done? [15:50:17] <^demon> Nikerabbit: Can you see any legit reason why $wgFeedClasses would be defined in Defines instead of DefaultSettings? [15:51:25] <^demon> (or anyone, for that matter?) [15:53:33] <^demon> They've been in the same place since r5283 :p [16:01:12] 03(FIXED) RSS and Atom feed link text is lowercased when using Standard/Classic skin - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17488 +comment (10innocentkiller) [16:06:35] *^demon slaps CIA-60 [16:08:18] global $wgDisableCounters, $wgLogo, $action, $wgHideInterlanguageLinks; [16:08:18] *ialex cries [16:10:26] <^demon> ialex: You're usually crying when I've done something wrong :( [16:11:14] ^demon: this is taken from your diff, but it's not your fault :) [16:13:07] <^demon> Since when do we global $action? [16:13:35] ^demon: that's why I cry [16:14:05] :) [16:14:34] <^demon> You know, all of the other SkinTemplate methods get action from WebRequest....why is SkinTemplate::outputPage() so special that it needs to grab the global? [16:15:09] ^demon: yeah, how could SkinTemplate::outputPage() be so stuck up [16:16:05] <^demon> :) [16:16:42] *ialex fixes [16:16:47] <^demon> ialex: I still haven't figured out why $wgFeedClasses is in defines. Only reason I can see was it was put there ~42000 revs ago and nobody ever bothered moving it to DefaultSettings. [16:17:15] ^demon: no idea too :) [16:19:34] 14(WFM) Thumbnail creation of animated images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17483 +comment (10innocentkiller) [16:20:46] 03(NEW) JS: Automatically hide "changes saved" message when changing prefre - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17496 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User preferences; (sylvain.brunerie) [16:23:15] 03(mod) JS: Automatically hide "changes saved" message when changing prefre - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17496 +comment (10innocentkiller) [16:31:48] 03(mod) JS: Automatically hide "changes saved" message when changing prefre - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17496 +comment (10sylvain.brunerie) [16:32:35] 03(mod) JS: Automatically hide "changes saved" message when changing preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17496 summary (10sylvain.brunerie) [16:34:07] 14(DUP) Organize Whatlinkshere by section (and support transclusion) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13087 +comment (10federicoleva) [16:34:10] 03(mod) Show whether links to the page are to the whole page or to a section - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10310 +comment (10federicoleva) [16:35:23] 03(mod) JS: Automatically hide "changes saved" message when changing preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17496 (10innocentkiller) [16:35:44] 03(mod) Changelog build tool for CodeReview - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17102 normal->high (10JSchulz_4587) [16:38:40] What is /opensearch_desc.php all about? I ahve in my webstats in the Top 10 Total Entry Pages. What does that mean? They don't come to my wiki via my own search :) Is it maybe the number of search queries done? Sorry for this maybe dumb question [16:39:45] Hubble3000: it lists the search engines available in the wiki [16:40:19] Simetrical: Are you available for a MySQL-related question? [16:41:13] ok so it's the number of searches done by users? it's the #2 entry page after my /wiki/ root on #1 [16:42:39] Hubble3000: no, it justs links to the serach engines, it has a high load since it's linked in all pages [16:43:11] 14(DUP) Add section links to Special pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14150 +comment (10federicoleva) [16:43:12] 03(mod) Possibility to link to particular section of [[Special:Preferences]] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16013 +comment (10federicoleva) [16:43:16] oh ok. thanks. that explains a lot [16:44:46] 03(mod) Make links to nonexisting sections being easy distinguishable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16561 (10federicoleva) [16:44:49] 03(mod) Special page listing broken section anchors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8955 (10federicoleva) [16:46:43] 03(mod) Show whether links to the page are to the whole page or to a section - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10310 (10federicoleva) [16:46:57] 03(mod) Special page listing broken section anchors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8955 (10federicoleva) [16:48:24] domas: Got time for a MySQL-related question? http://rafb.net/p/y1fvRg61.html [16:51:41] 03(NEW) Add oasis opendocument to mime.types - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17497 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Uploading; (awen) [16:55:44] RoanKattouw: you can't efficiently sort based on fields from two tables [16:56:02] unless... you just use index-based sorting [16:56:02] domas: I know that filesort can't go away, I'm just asking how bad it is [16:56:23] *shrug*, will there be lots of collisions? [16:56:25] Will it first sort everything by i1.img_name (the indexed field) and then only filesort to break ties? [16:56:28] hi, is it possible (and how) to add to the wiki page a notification "The talk_page of this page was last changed x days ago" or something like this: IF (today - changedate(thispage.talk_page)<7) THEN write("talk_page of this page was changed in last week")? [16:56:29] no [16:56:32] i like the way media wiki create the contents for a page, but it would be really nice if it would put it in the left hand col [16:56:35] it will do full sort on your resultset [16:56:52] on the other hand, if resultset is just few rows, why care [16:56:57] if it will have millions of rows, then care [16:56:58] ;-) [16:57:03] domas: So basically it's stupid and forgets about the fact that it can do part of the sort indexed? [16:57:48] domas: Rephrased: if ORDER BY foo can be done with an indexed sort and ORDER BY foo, bar can't, will it use the foo index anyway [16:57:57] ? [16:59:08] My result set is large enough to care about a filesort on all of it, but I think filesorts on subsets of it might be acceptable [17:04:36] why do you say 'stupid' [17:04:45] it does what you ask it to do [17:04:52] it isn't very cheap to do lots of small filesorts either :) [17:05:16] No, but cheaper [17:05:33] Filesorting 10 sets of 10 is cheaper than filesorting one set of 100 [17:06:33] go, try implementing such optimization ;-) [17:06:47] lol yeah OK wouldn't be trivial [17:07:20] Another question: how does that work when you've got an index like KEY el_from (el_from, el_to(40)) and you use ORDER BY el_from, el_to ? [17:08:14] same, it does filesort [17:08:19] I know that filesorts because the index doesn't cover all of el_to, but if you're lucky and there are no collisions in the first 40 chars of el_to, an index sort would do [17:08:44] Of course you don't know if that's gonna happen beforehand [17:08:45] you talk about nested execution of single scan [17:08:59] it is quite complicated idea, actually :) [17:09:26] Well what I *think* would be better is if, in such cases, it would index sort and use filesort as a tiebreaker. Depending on how fast index sort is vs. filesort, that could be faster [17:09:32] Yeah, I'm aware that it's not trivial :P [17:10:11] 03ialex * r47270 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SkinTemplate.php: [17:10:11] * Removed "global $action;" from SkinTemplate::outputPage(), getting it from $wgRequest instead (like for r46810) [17:10:11] * Changed "$action = $wgRequest->getText( 'action' )" to "$action = $wgRequest->getVal( 'action', 'view' )" as we do on index.php [17:10:20] well, I completely understand your idea [17:10:23] and that it would indeed be faster [17:10:30] patches are welcome ;-) [17:11:15] :) That'd be the first time I'd actually need a change in MySQL for my new feature in MW [17:11:42] Anyway, just out of curiosity, how does stuff work with, say, a UNIQUE KEY foo (foo(60)) ? [17:12:21] uniqueness is enforced just on first 60 byte [17:12:22] bytes [17:12:25] A) is that possible? B) does that enforce the first 60 chars of foo to be unique? and C) would that allow for index sorting on foo? [17:12:45] I guess A and B are yes then :P [17:13:13] But would that allow index sorting? [17:14:00] no [17:14:38] Why is that? The index contains all the necessary information to be able to sort stuff, right? [17:27:16] 03aaron * r47271 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/ (5 files): (bug 17102) Changelog build tool for CodeReview. Uses start/end rev and path inputs. [17:27:32] 03(FIXED) Changelog build tool for CodeReview - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17102 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [17:31:05] 03aaron * r47272 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/CodeReleaseNotes.php: bolded required param [18:29:12] 14(DUP) Add option "Add pages I rollback to my watchlist" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17481 +comment (10paul.copperman) [18:29:13] 03(mod) Watch rollbacks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4488 +comment (10paul.copperman) [19:37:26] 03aaron * r47273 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/CodeRevisionListView.php: [19:37:26] * 16930 Link non-zero values in Comments column to #code-comments section of revision page [19:37:26] * Removed css hack [19:38:50] 03(FIXED) Link non-zero values in Comments column to #code-comments section of revision page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16930 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [19:54:04] 03(mod) Multiple customizable upload forms - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14926 +comment (10Platonides) [19:55:04] 03rotem * r47274 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/CodeReview.i18n.php: Localization update for he. [20:33:14] 03siebrand * r47275 10/branches/REL1_12/phase3/languages/messages/ (201 files): [20:33:15] Localisation updates from translatewiki.net [20:33:15] * Backport compatible translations to REL1_12 [20:33:15] ** 3,060 translations added, unknown number of changes [20:38:04] 03siebrand * r47276 10/branches/REL1_13/phase3/languages/messages/ (220 files): [20:38:04] Localisation updates from translatewiki.net [20:38:04] * Backport compatible translations to REL1_13 [20:38:04] ** 4,694 translations added, unknown number of changes [20:58:39] 03siebrand * r47277 10/branches/REL1_14/phase3/includes/Article.php: Backport r47165: Fix escaping of pipe-separator in revision (included via {{int:...}} in it). [21:00:37] hey, newbie here. I'm trying to configure mediawiki but I get this error: http://rafb.net/p/sJI14n53.html I have mysql installed [21:01:04] 03siebrand * r47278 10/branches/REL1_14/phase3/languages/messages/ (223 files): [21:01:04] Localisation updates from translatewiki.net [21:01:04] * Backport compatible translations to REL1_14 [21:01:04] ** 3,650 translations added, unknown number of changes [21:05:54] sorry for the 18 megs of mail, people :) [21:44:24] siebrand: You know you single-handedly caused my provider to send me a "mailbox nearly full message" [21:44:34] 18M ^^ my limit is only 20M IIRC [21:47:18] RoanKattouw: who is your email provider? O_o [21:47:30] who actually has quotas that low these days :P [21:47:45] chuck: home.nl, but you probably don't know them [21:48:36] get a gmail ;-) [21:49:30] What did siebrand do? [21:50:39] kirjain_X: Cause about a hundred people to receive an 18M e-mail [21:50:48] O_O [21:50:49] How? [21:53:22] kirjain_X: By changing the MediaWiki code. Whenever someone does that, a diff describing the changes is sent to a mailing lis [21:53:24] t [21:53:32] And he changed a lot of stuff at once [21:53:45] :P [22:27:22] RoanKattouw: actually, it was 3 6mb mails. [22:27:40] Yeah, I saw that you backported stuff to 1.13 and 1.12 as well [22:53:29] 03(NEW) block-log: "autoblock disabled" should not be there for IPs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17498 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (spacebirdy) [23:10:29] 03(VERIFIED) Thumbnail creation of animated images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17483 +comment (10poke) [23:12:27] <^demon> Resolved Worksforme -> Verified Worksforme? [23:12:58] uh... ? [23:12:59] Yeah, pointless, we know [23:18:45] well, proper workflow is that a developer sets resolved/fixed/whatever, and QA closes the issue. [23:18:57] we just don't usually have the QA to confirm the fix :) [23:18:59] Which QA? :P Brion? [23:19:31] well, you know, use case, steps to reproduce, that kind of boring stuff :) [23:19:58] <^demon> I suppose Resolved/Fixed could be Verified/Fixed after Brion scaps w/o reversion :) [23:20:23] formally incorrect, as brion only reviews code, and most often does not actually test. [23:20:48] new -> confirmed -> fixed -> reviewed -> tested -> closed [23:20:59] *^demon claims the vacuum created by lack of QA [23:21:08] *siebrand agrees [23:21:23] qa is extremely expensive and boring. [23:21:43] <^demon> I can be expensive and boring :) [23:22:09] we could force reporters to add automated test cases before we accept the bug, though :) [23:22:26] *siebrand grins evilly. [23:22:42] wouldn't that discourage some people from reporting because they wouldn't know how to add a test case? [23:22:51] yeah, nice and quiet ;) [23:23:29] that somehow seems counter-productive, but then again it would also prevent most duplicate bugs since the people that know how to set up test cases probably also know how to search before reporting [23:24:42] almost all professional development teams I worked with do not accept issues without steps to reproduce. [23:24:55] and we get a lot of issues reported that are pretty vague. [23:25:08] "My wiki is slow. How do I fix it?" [23:25:28] yeah, that's easily answered: !slow | someuser [23:25:53] <^demon> siebrand: How is "can't edit page" anything but a step-by-step description of the steps taken and end result? It sums up the entire process in less than a sentence :) [23:26:29] ^demon: missing system config details. [23:26:34] siebrand: although a spot for users to list the extensions they are using and any core hacks they did could be beneficial [23:28:15] so how can we prevent that the number of open issues in bugzilla rises by 30-50 every week? [23:28:39] that's really bothering me in the weekly report. [23:30:11] 03(mod) Implementing the diacritics switching at Romanian Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17428 (10siebrand) [23:30:21] 1) make it harder to submit vague reports, 2) have an auto-search before bug submission -- "Hey, based on your bug text and other keywords, we found these bugs. If your bug is covered in any of them, please do not save this report and instead vote for that other bug", 3) have a team of people to go through and close bug reports that were fixed but weren't marked as such [23:30:43] 06(LATER) No indication in which language input should be - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16670 +comment (10krixel) [23:33:52] Skizzerz: there is no real place to discuss some more vague and broad feature requests... [23:34:33] you noted feature requests, I was talking about actual existing bugs [23:34:50] siebrand: are they all or mostly duplicates or not? [23:35:23] Skizzerz: but bugzilla serves as a wishlist as well. And actually those wishes get implemented sometimes (even after years) [23:35:29] saper: are what mostly duptes? [23:35:52] siebrand: those 30-50 new requests [23:36:10] siebrand: Like Skizzerz said, have some people go over every single open bug and close outdated ones [23:36:16] saper: don't think so. [23:36:22] Skizzerz: on the other hand, old stuff gets lost, I wish somebody reviewed https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2557 for example [23:37:22] RoanKattouw: the current process works for bugs being worked on. I reported quite a few recently and they got (usually) fixed and closed properly. [23:37:39] when I search I do not stumble upon huge number of duplicates really [23:38:39] 03(mod) encurage copying more clearly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13044 +comment (10siebrand) [23:39:01] the problem is, as siebrand mentioned a screen earlier, how to organize a vague discussion on broader things that require analysis [23:39:29] I think a discussion on the mediawiki list would be preferable, but... at least things don't get lost [23:40:13] I think brion's 'bug Monday' initiative could have been something, if say 10 developers would join in fixing issues on a particular subject each time the event took place. [23:40:30] I think it worked once, failed the second time, and was abandoned after that. [23:41:09] I revently created categories "Watchlist" and "RecentChanges", 'hoping' someone would some day dive into those lists, fixing a few dozen issues in one go. [23:41:17] siebrand: I think going through what's open would also help, and some priorities [23:41:40] like why "Keyword:patch" does not speed up things really [23:41:46] saper: A few months ago I started checking from recent back to older, but it's a shitty job. [23:42:07] it does help, as I did come across issues that could be closed, for whichever reason. [23:42:08] siebrand: Yeah the bug day concept would be nice. Maybe if Brion forced everyone at the office to bugsquash on that day... [23:42:14] siebrand: yeah I know.... it's a lot [23:44:08] siebrand: I can only fix small stuff for now, I am aiming a bit higher. Aaron did a great job improving plain stupid things in RC patrolling recently for example. [23:45:32] Anyone here use LDAP auth? [23:45:38] !ldap [23:45:38] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LDAP_Authentication [23:45:44] Oh that's not very useful :P [23:45:50] RoanKattouw: I know, I was asking... [23:45:51] :P [23:46:01] Just a little example of the volume we're up against: since 1 Jan 2009 268 issues were reported on MediaWIki and extensions that are still open. [23:46:07] anyone know of a redirect extension that works similar to the one paul gu wrote for his site that goes website=http://www.example.com timeout=2000 message=blah, blah, blah ? [23:46:15] I am using it. It workes fine, but I was wondering if I could still use a local user. [23:46:21] And we're 45 days into 2009. [23:46:55] siebrand: How many total open bugs do we have now? [23:47:30] RoanKattouw: on MW and MW ext: 2766 [23:47:51] *sigh* that's a lot [23:47:57] including bug numbers 1, 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8 :) [23:48:04] Yeah I know :P [23:48:22] Brion should probably task one of the guys at the office to aggressively look into closing each of those [23:48:35] Or at least clean up the fixed/wontfix/invalid/duplicate bugs [23:49:34] some reporters just do not take 'no' for an anwer, and will reopen a WONTFIX multiple times. [23:49:49] Then you shut those up :P [23:49:57] yeah, probably. [23:50:31] I think that MW needs proper roadmapping. It may come now that the WMF gets more development resources. [23:50:44] the backlog on extension review is enormous. [23:51:06] the backlog on everything is enormous >_> [23:51:34] yeah, that's probably correct, Skizzerz. [23:51:53] I guess we need a Brion-like guy whose only job is roadmapping and managing bugs and all that stuff we're talking about [23:52:04] which unfortunately only accomplishes two things: [23:52:28] 1) discourages people from using that method to request/report something since they notice the enormous backlog and don't want a reply a year down the road [23:52:50] 2) discourages volunteers from going through the backlog because it'll take way too much time to check everything in it [23:54:10] 03(WONTFIX) Add oasis opendocument to mime.types - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17497 +comment (10siebrand)