[00:08:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Editnotices generating invalid XML (HTML) around unordered lists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17486  +comment (10rockmfr)
[00:11:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Formatting error in "preferences" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17482  +comment (10siebrand)
[00:11:39] <GerardM->	How do I find the image used as a logo of a MediaWiki wiki ?
[00:13:32] <Skizzerz>	GerardM-: it's set as $wgLogo in LocalSettings.php
[00:14:31] <GerardM->	<grin> I am looking for the logo here http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page and I do not have access to the LocalSettings.php
[00:14:43] <GerardM->	I want to use it in my blog
[00:15:12] <Skizzerz>	ah
[00:15:14] <Skizzerz>	hold on
[00:17:08] <Skizzerz>	GerardM-: http://usability.wikimedia.org/w/usabilitywiki.png
[00:17:30] <GerardM->	Thank you
[00:18:08] <NotADJ>	What hash does mediawiki use?
[00:18:29] <GerardM->	skizzerz how did you find this ?
[00:18:54] <RoanKattouw>	NotADJ: MW uses hashes for lots of things. Please be more specific
[00:19:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Editnotices generating invalid XML (HTML) around unordered lists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17486  (10rockmfr)
[00:19:19] <Skizzerz>	GerardM-: I viewed the HTML source of the page and scrolled down until I found the logo declaration, and used the URL in the <img> tag there
[00:19:40] <GerardM->	Cool
[00:19:58] <GerardM->	http://en.labs.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page so now I can find this one :)
[00:20:16] <Skizzerz>	yep :)
[00:20:26] <NotADJ>	RoanKattouw: Well, I was asking which hash MW uses before storing passwords.
[00:20:46] <RoanKattouw>	Salted MD5, but I don't know what the exact format is
[00:20:47] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r47279 10/trunk/phase3/ (CREDITS RELEASE-NOTES maintenance/importTextFile.php): 
[00:20:47] <CIA-60>	* (bug 17472) use print <<<EOF in maintenance/importTextFile.php. Patch contribute by Jidanni.
[00:20:47] <CIA-60>	* removed trailing whitespace
[00:20:49] <Skizzerz>	NotADJ: it uses MD5, but the password hashing is a bit special
[00:20:55] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) use print <<<EOF in maintenance/importTextFile.php instead of 11 echos - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17472  +comment (10siebrand)
[00:21:10] <Skizzerz>	!passwordsql
[00:21:10] --mwbot--	UPDATE user SET user_password=CONCAT(':A:', MD5('password')) WHERE user_name='John Smith';  This will reset the password for the user with user_name 'John Smith' to 'password'.
[00:21:20] <Skizzerz>	that's the unsalted method
[00:21:23] <RoanKattouw>	That's the old format, the new format uses a B
[00:21:33] <RoanKattouw>	I *think* it's :B:salt:hash
[00:22:03] <Skizzerz>	the salted method is CONCAT(':B:salt goes here:', MD5( CONCAT( 'salt goes here', MD5( 'password' ) ) ) )
[00:22:07] <GerardM->	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/meta/7/79/Wikimedia_Labs_logo.png :)
[00:23:56] <NotADJ>	Why not SHA or Whirlpool?
[00:24:52] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r47280 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormUtils.inc: (bug 17466) Hard coded colon causing duplicated colon
[00:25:03] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Summery duplicated colon - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17466  +comment (10siebrand)
[00:27:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Translate texvc into a more widely used language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17465  (10siebrand)
[00:27:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Move the math extension to the same place as every other extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14202  (10siebrand)
[00:29:14] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Board and Friend components does not work with MW 1.13 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17462  +comment (10siebrand)
[00:30:27] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r47281 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/CodeReleaseNotes.php: tweaks isRelevant() to use work counts
[00:31:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) use print <<<EOF in maintenance/importTextFile.php instead of 11 echos - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17472  (10jidanni)
[00:32:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Customizing the number of pictures per page in certain categories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17458  +comment (10siebrand)
[00:33:50] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Only one word is shown red on diff comparison when turning around two words - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17457  +comment (10siebrand)
[00:37:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) use print <<<EOF in maintenance/importTextFile.php instead of 11 echos - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17472  (10siebrand)
[00:39:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Could not send confirmation mail. Check address for invalid characters. Mailer returned: 1 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17455  +comment (10siebrand)
[00:41:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Title::invalidateCache() does not commit database update - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17451  +comment (10siebrand)
[00:43:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RevisionDelete global log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17444  +comment (10siebrand)
[00:44:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RevisionDelete global log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17444  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[00:46:25] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Page saving error MW1.13 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16227  +comment (10siebrand)
[00:47:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) hyphen-minus is unreadable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16213  +comment (10siebrand)
[00:47:54] <siebrand>	gotta go to sleep. If I can do the above, there are more in here that can :)
[00:48:01] <siebrand>	-5 open :)
[00:48:16] <AaronSchulz>	heh
[00:53:04] <FailNrrd>	siebrand: re: bug 17451, I'm unsure what you mean by "patch misses context"
[00:53:49] <AaronSchulz>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?id=5805&action=diff
[00:53:56] <AaronSchulz>	invalid patch file
[00:54:29] <OverlordQ>	you need context lines in your patch.
[00:55:47] *FailNrrd 	reads up on context lines
[00:56:00] <FailNrrd>	I'm new to diff and patching :)
[00:56:20] <avar>	diff -u
[00:56:26] <avar>	you can also just use svn diff and it'll Just Work(TM)
[00:56:53] <Simetrical>	FailNrrd, you should use the command "svn diff" to generate the patch file.  If you're using TortoiseSVN, this is "Create Patch" or something from the context menu.
[00:56:55] <AzaTht>	avar: until you get an 5-way merge conflict
[00:57:29] <AzaTht>	context menues for developement?
[00:57:37] <AzaTht>	where is the world going....
[00:58:08] <Simetrical>	FailNrrd, basically, the patch should be generated with the "context", a few lines to either side that are unchanged.  This way if some lines have been added/removed earlier or later in the file and the line numbers are off, the patch program can figure this out and apply the patch anyway.
[00:59:24] <AzaTht>	diff -U 1000 for extra alfty then?
[00:59:29] <AzaTht>	safty*
[00:59:41] <FailNrrd>	Thank you very much - I'll check this with svn diff to make sure that the patch is against current - which is 1.13.4 correct?
[00:59:49] <Simetrical>	FailNrrd, no.  Current is 1.15alpha.
[00:59:56] <Simetrical>	From trunk, not a branch.
[01:00:07] <Simetrical>	A patch to 1.13.4 may or may not apply cleanly.
[01:00:51] *FailNrrd 	needs to read up on svn properly as well :)
[01:01:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RevisionDelete global log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17444  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[01:01:28] <FailNrrd>	cheers Simetrical (and AaronSchulz, avar ;) )
[01:07:43] <ThE__CroW_>	anyone know of a redirect extension that works similar to the one paul gu wrote for his site that goes <wikiredirect>website=http://www.example.com timeout=2000 message=blah, blah, blah</wikiredirec> ?
[01:07:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Editnotices generating invalid XML (HTML) around unordered lists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17486  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[01:11:02] <Simetrical>	ThE__CroW_, that sounds like a bad idea.
[01:11:15] <ThE__CroW_>	how so?
[01:12:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) block-log: "autoblock disabled" should not be there for IPs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17498  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[01:12:07] <Simetrical>	Well, timed redirects are evil to begin with.  Moreover, it allows anyone who can edit your wiki to redirect viewers to goatse.cz or whatever.
[01:13:20] <Skizzerz>	plus no way to get back to the original page (back button would re-trigger the redirection if it is js-based or meta-based iirc)
[01:14:52] <Simetrical>	Well, that's part of "timed redirects are evil to begin with", yeah.
[01:17:05] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) RevisionDelete global log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17444  +comment (10jayvdb)
[01:18:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) problems with forced PNG rendering - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15057  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[01:18:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RevisionDelete global log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17444  (10JSchulz_4587)
[01:23:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Title::invalidateCache() does not commit database update - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17451  +comment (10djnrrd)
[01:24:43] <Nrrd>	that wasnt too hard - just hope the admins in work dont complain about me SVNing stuff :)
[01:45:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Feature Req: Database class does not provide support for database Aliases - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17221  (10djnrrd)
[01:46:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Feature Req: Database class does not provide support for database Aliases - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17221  (10djnrrd)
[02:00:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Database class does not provide support for table aliases - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17221  summary (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[02:06:20] <techman224>	On test wikipedia, is Wikipedia:Request still looked at?
[02:08:46] <werdnum>	TimStarling: Are you around? Do you know anything about CentralNotice? I disabled the steward elections one on meta because it obviously wasn't finding the message for some reason, even though it exists.
[02:09:50] <TimStarling>	I haven't really dealt with it
[02:10:19] <werdnum>	okay.
[02:10:36] <Mike_lifeguard>	werdnum: tomasz was the guy, IIRC
[02:11:12] <werdnum>	I was thinking about running the rebuild script (which I seem to recall existing), but I decided that no steward elections notice was a better idea than me accidentally breaking something by not knowing what I'm doing.
[02:11:21] <werdnum>	Mike_lifeguard: yeah, he gets back from Belgium today
[02:11:26] <werdnum>	and it's a long weekend
[02:11:30] <Mike_lifeguard>	oh, right
[02:12:01] <TimStarling>	it's quite likely the template update script is broken
[02:12:10] <TimStarling>	I can check that
[02:12:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Title::invalidateCache() does not commit database update - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17451  +comment (10djnrrd)
[02:12:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Database class does not provide support for table aliases - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17221  +comment (10djnrrd)
[02:13:11] <TimStarling>	yeah, it probably hasn't run since Feb 5
[02:13:41] <werdnum>	Why not?
[02:13:52] <TimStarling>	because the log file wasn't writable
[02:14:19] <TimStarling>	we'll see if it runs at 2:20
[02:14:21] <Mike_lifeguard>	werdnum: do you have shell access?
[02:14:27] <werdnum>	Mike_lifeguard: yes, as of a few days ago.
[02:14:39] <werdnum>	TimStarling: that's... an hour and five minutes?
[02:14:46] <werdnum>	or are we talking UTC?
[02:14:46] <Mike_lifeguard>	fun times
[02:14:52] <TimStarling>	UTC
[02:14:57] <werdnum>	ah, so six minutes.
[02:15:34] <werdnum>	TimStarling: Should I re-enable the notice, or wait until after the script runs?
[02:15:50] <TimStarling>	where did you disable it?
[02:15:56] <werdnum>	In Special:CentralNotice on meta.
[02:16:09] <TimStarling>	because it wasn't working?
[02:16:24] <werdnum>	Yes, because it was displaying <some_message_name> instead of the notice.
[02:16:34] <TimStarling>	yes, re-enable it
[02:16:35] <techman224>	<centralnotice-template-plain_text_election_notice>
[02:16:39] <TimStarling>	if you can do it in under 4 minutes
[02:16:52] <werdnum>	I can.
[02:17:06] <werdnum>	Oh, it's already re-enabled
[02:17:15] <werdnum>	ah, but only on testwiki
[02:17:35] <werdnum>	Done.
[02:21:21] <TimStarling>	yeah, it's running
[02:21:36] <Nrrd>	I'm working on a function for taking a database result set and exporting a basic XML document for AJAX apps, which I think may be a benificial feature to have in mediawiki. What are peoples thoughts on where this function should live, in the Database class or the SAJAX class?
[02:22:54] <TimStarling>	sounds like the API
[02:23:41] <TimStarling>	except not as good
[02:23:56] <kirjain_X>	!api | Nrrd 
[02:23:56] --mwbot--	Nrrd: The MediaWiki API provides direct, high-level access to the data contained in the MediaWiki databases. Client programs should be able to use the API to login, get data, and post changes. Find out more at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API>. For client libraries in various languages, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Client_Code>.
[02:27:09] *Nrrd 	reads
[02:30:08] <werdnum>	TimStarling: Should the fix have propagated yet?
[02:30:48] <TimStarling>	to test maybe
[02:30:52] <TimStarling>	not to wikipedia yet
[02:31:06] <TimStarling>	wiktionary should be done
[02:31:25] <TimStarling>	look at /home/wikipedia/logs/centralnotice.log
[02:33:41] <techman224>	TimStarling, the central notice isn't working on en wikipedia
[02:34:22] <Mike_lifeguard>	techman224: He knows.
[02:34:30] <Mike_lifeguard>	It's being fixed right now.
[02:35:59] <werdnum>	Should be fixed.
[02:36:04] <werdnum>	(I think)
[02:36:12] <werdnum>	Nope.
[02:36:16] <Splarka>	http://upload.wikimedia.org/centralnotice/test/en/centralnotice.js?203xx 
[02:36:21] *werdnum 	assumed that test/ was after wikipedia/
[02:36:23] <Splarka>	still showing the old notice
[02:36:29] <ZombieNeko>	I'm getting an error message and I can't figure out how to fix it. "mime_magic could not be initialized, magic file (null) is not available in G:\apache\apache2triad\htdocs\wiki\includes\MimeMagic.php on line 504"
[02:36:35] <techman224>	werdnum, nopw, still doesn't work
[02:37:18] <ZombieNeko>	is there a way to use images already in the image directory without it thinking it needs to upload said images?
[02:39:17] <Splarka>	ZombieNeko: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:ImportImages.php
[02:40:13] <werdnum>	TimStarling: script has finished, but the problem remains.
[02:41:05] <TimStarling>	yes, I see it
[02:41:21] <ZombieNeko>	Splarka, wow. that importimages.php file is not even IN that folder.
[02:41:27] <Nrrd>	the API is of no use to me for my particular extension, as my extension is creating it's own database tables. My XML function os working at the Database level as opposed to the higher level.
[02:41:56] <Nrrd>	I'll just keep the function in my own extension if it's of no use in mediawiki
[02:41:57] <werdnum>	Nrrd: You shouldn't make the database functions callable through an API. It's insanely insecure.
[02:43:32] <Nrrd>	werdnum: I wasnt suggesting that at all, I'm doing preprocessing in my extension, calling or writing the the database and returning the info from my extension through AJAX
[02:43:56] <Dolledre>	hmmm what's that "<centralnotice-template-plain_text_election_notice>" on top of wikipedia pages?
[02:44:02] <werdnum>	TimStarling: Should I drop the notice back to testwiki?
[02:44:30] <Splarka>	Dolledre: a mirage, donate some money and it'll go away
[02:44:51] <Dolledre>	lol Splarka tnx ;)
[02:46:58] <TimStarling>	yes
[02:47:15] <werdnum>	TimStarling: okay, done.
[02:47:55] <TimStarling>	I don't see it on test
[02:48:12] <werdnum>	hmm
[02:48:25] <werdnum>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralNotice
[02:48:40] <werdnum>	It *should* be enabled, but I don't see it either.
[02:48:58] <werdnum>	Even with a purge.
[02:51:44] <werdnum>	Can't find it in the HTML source
[02:54:55] <werdnum>	TimStarling: It *is* displaying on meta, but nowhere else.
[02:56:03] <Splarka>	hmm, it's gone from:
[02:56:04] <Splarka>	wgNotice=pickTemplate(["\x26lt;centralnotice-template-plain_text_election_notice\x26gt;"],[100]);
[02:56:07] <Splarka>	to blank, except on test
[02:56:18] <Splarka>	improvement anyway ^_^
[02:57:26] <TimStarling>	well, the code is extremely fragile and hackish
[02:57:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Only one word is shown red on diff comparison when turning around two words - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17457  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[02:58:12] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Only one word is shown red on diff comparison when turning around two words - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17457  +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[03:00:40] <TimStarling>	pretty much any change to the message cache would break it
[03:01:52] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Purge link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17499 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (Chippi_75)
[03:02:08] <werdnum>	I don't know how it works, I think most of the development was done during my HSC.
[03:03:14] <TimStarling>	does it need to be on today?
[03:03:52] <werdnum>	Probably not.
[03:04:08] <ZombieNeko>	Bleh. I guess I shouldn't use this if I can't understand what any of this means, huh?
[03:04:13] <werdnum>	I think it was mostly put up because we had this new toy and we wanted to do something with it.
[03:06:34] <Splarka>	even though the new toy was from china, covered in lead paint, and contains small parts which may be a choking hazard...
[03:09:23] <werdnum>	!log CentralNotice still not working properly, and when we tried to set it to testwiki-only, it never came up. Left it on testwiki only for the time being, until somebody who knows CentralNotice can take a look at it.
[03:09:23] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "log". You might try: !500 !anonnotice !api !cms !errors !logo !sul 
[03:09:27] <werdnum>	oopsies
[03:09:30] <^demon>	Splarka: Those are the best kinds of toys
[03:12:08] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r47282 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/CodeReleaseNotes.php: 
[03:12:08] <CIA-60>	* Combined some checks
[03:12:08] <CIA-60>	* Fixed typo (b -> z)
[03:12:08] <CIA-60>	* Removed unused $m var
[03:12:08] <CIA-60>	* Added some more keywords
[03:16:52] <werdnum>	AaronSchulz: what's CodeReleaseNotes?
[03:22:09] <p858snake>	Release notes for the code?
[03:54:53] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r47283 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/CodeReleaseNotes.php: 
[03:54:53] <CIA-60>	* More regexp additions and truncation tweaks
[03:54:53] <CIA-60>	* Show revision link by author
[04:29:22] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r47284 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/CodeReleaseNotes.php: Formatting cleanup
[04:35:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Install hanp extension parser function on Korean Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13712  (10camway)
[04:46:37] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r47285 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/CodeReleaseNotes.php: 
[04:46:37] <CIA-60>	* Default start rev to live one
[04:46:37] <CIA-60>	* Removed p tags
[04:52:40] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) store DEFAULTSORT in the database - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17500 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Categories; (cbm)
[05:24:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Moving edits incomplete and stalled after renaming a user on enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17313  normal->04CRIT (10soxred93)
[05:25:12] <werdnum>	lol priority/severity
[05:25:25] <kirjain_X>	That's always confuzzled me
[05:29:40] <werdnum>	chuck: ping
[05:29:43] <CIA-60>	03nad * r47286 10/trunk/extensions/TreeAndMenu/TreeAndMenu.php: fix problem resolving dtree.js path
[05:30:55] <chuck>	werdnum: yeah?
[05:31:20] <werdnum>	chuck: You want a copy of your TS home dir, eh?
[05:32:00] <chuck>	mmhm
[05:32:11] <werdnum>	(slooow response time is slooow)
[05:32:40] <chuck>	yeah i almost forgot about that request ;-)
[05:32:47] <werdnum>	chuck: account name?
[05:32:51] <chuck>	charlie
[05:33:51] <werdnum>	Tarring it up now
[05:34:48] <chuck>	domo arigato
[05:35:36] <werdnum>	How do you want it?
[05:35:50] <werdnum>	I can put it on the web and PM you the URL, if that's easy.
[05:36:16] <chuck>	yes, that's good
[05:38:01] <werdnum>	whois chuck 
[05:38:17] <chuck>	works better with the / ;-)
[05:38:21] <werdnum>	hehe
[06:00:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) 'Delete page script' entries in Recentchanges, but not delete/log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17343  15enhancement->trivial; summary; +comment (10jidanni)
[06:00:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) 'Delete page script' entries in Recentchanges, but not delete/log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17343  (10jidanni)
[06:50:45] <IceGuest_75>	Hi, I was wondering if there was any way to hide special pages?
[06:54:22] <Relentless>	Anyone know how to stop the weird cacheing process that mediawikik goes though
[06:56:59] <werdnum>	Relentless: specificity, please.
[06:57:12] <werdnum>	What caching process, and what problems is it causing you?
[06:57:48] <Relentless>	Well, From what I see, When I post something liek I put ad add or I edit the theme, I have to clear my brwosers cache eash time, Should just a refresh just work?
[06:58:19] <werdnum>	That isn't MediaWiki's caching process, it's your browser's caching.
[06:58:38] <werdnum>	TO bypass it, there are shortcuts (like ctrl-refresh or command-control-refresh for macs).
[06:58:49] <Relentless>	Wait, what?
[06:59:20] <Relentless>	But this isnt justme, it is over 100,000 poeple that have the same issue with my wiki, It cant be a browser issue.
[07:00:00] <Splarka>	welcome to the internet
[07:00:40] <Relentless>	I mean, if you edit the file, the change won't show up everywhere all at once... 
[07:00:55] <Splarka>	on Wikipedia, editing Common.css/js and Skinname.css/js the 30 day max client-side cache time has to be taken into account
[07:02:00] <Splarka>	the developers have it a bit easier, they can invalidate the cached URL by bumping the style version, which changes the actual physical location (in the browser's POV) of the css/js/etc, but even that propagates slower than instantatneously due to squid caches
[07:02:42] <Splarka>	you could disable all css/js client caching, but then you'd multiply page requests to your server by tenfold
[07:02:45] <CrushKingX>	morning people 
[07:03:03] <werdnum>	hey CrushKingX 
[07:03:11] <Splarka>	still, nothing to do with MediaWiki really, it is the internets
[07:03:16] <CrushKingX>	a question whats your favorite wiki editor extension or hooks? 
[07:03:24] <Relentless>	That would be alot better than this... My ad service droppe dme twice cause the adds didnt show up in the time limit
[07:03:49] <Relentless>	*ads
[07:04:56] <CrushKingX>	because the default editor isnt tha trivial to my users + i would like a better parser (one that knows what <source></source> means etc. so im looking for a good one to implement 
[07:05:01] <Relentless>	how do I diable all of what you said.
[07:05:29] <werdnum>	CrushKingX: people are trying to work on that for theusability project, none seem to be up to scratch
[07:06:32] <CrushKingX>	how about the FCK editor?
[07:06:49] <Relentless>	Splarka how do I diable all of what you said.
[07:06:59] <Splarka>	no idea, apache stuffs?
[07:07:01] <CrushKingX>	it looks nice but i have found several bugs in it (which are minor but still annoying)
[07:07:02] <Splarka>	what exactly anyways?
[07:07:07] <Splarka>	MediaWiki:Common.css?
[07:07:14] <Splarka>	skins/monobook/main.css ?
[07:07:31] <Relentless>	the ll css/js client caching.
[07:07:42] <Relentless>	-ll
[07:07:42] <Splarka>	right, which? they're different
[07:07:51] <Relentless>	Everything.
[07:08:11] <Relentless>	I dont want it to cache anything..
[07:08:25] <Splarka>	you want to reload every file and every image on every forward/backward browser navigation?
[07:08:32] <Splarka>	the web doesn't work without some cache
[07:08:37] <Splarka>	it folds up and catches fire
[07:09:09] <Relentless>	yeah
[07:09:18] <Relentless>	but I edited a file almost 3 hours ago
[07:09:31] <Splarka>	no idea then, usually what is done is to bump $wgStyleVersion every time you edit in /skins
[07:09:40] <Splarka>	and wait 7 to 30 days for effects after editing on-site files
[07:10:27] <Relentless>	So, There is no way to lessen the time of how long it takes for effects to post?
[07:10:56] <Splarka>	if you'd specify what file exactly wanted to refresh quicker rater than just "eeeeeeeeeveryahthing" it might help
[07:11:20] <Relentless>	But, That is what I want, I want everything to post in real time....
[07:11:27] <Relentless>	I am not even kidding..
[07:12:03] <Splarka>	well, that has pretty much nothing to do with MediaWiki then, ask the Apache dudes (if you use that)
[07:12:23] <GerardM->	 Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /srv/org/wikimedia/usability/extensions/LiquidThreads/classes/LqtHistoricalThread.php on line 27  Fatal error: Call to a member function id() on a non-object in /srv/org/wikimedia/usability/extensions/LiquidThreads/classes/LqtHistoricalThread.php on line 43
[07:12:24] <Relentless>	rofl apache
[07:12:28] <p858snake>	make a bot to scan [[Special:AllPages]] and null edit everything? and that will get most hings
[07:12:36] <p858snake>	*things
[07:12:42] <GerardM->	is what I get today on usability.wikimedia.org
[07:13:01] <GerardM->	I answered to a trhead
[07:14:03] <GerardM->	it does create a change and this results in "Fatal error: Call to a member function root() on a non-object in /srv/org/wikimedia/usability/extensions/LiquidThreads/LqtBaseView.php on line 383"
[07:14:44] <Relentless>	Splarka I dont think you are getting that it is not an apache issue, I use lighttpd so I knwo it is not that issue, I know it is not a php issue, Me and a whole team have narrowed it down to MediaWiki, All I want to know is how to make it update in live time.
[07:15:19] <Splarka>	I don't think you are getting it, the web doesn't work that way
[07:15:25] <Splarka>	try serving 404 for every page instead of 200, then it would do that
[07:15:44] <Splarka>	(404 is a perfectly valid code with content, plus it doesn't cache)
[07:15:47] <Relentless>	Everything before web2.0 did work that way. You edit an html file BAW it is updated in seconds.
[07:15:49] <werdnum>	GerardM-: I might have broken it :D
[07:16:18] <GerardM->	<grin> now you know </grin>
[07:16:33] <GerardM->	actually you need a testing tool that can tell you
[07:16:50] <GerardM->	and would you believe that I actually have such a tool for you ?
[07:16:54] <werdnum>	Relentless: Maybe you should tell us what you're trying to update, how you're trying to update, and what you expect to happen.
[07:17:01] <werdnum>	GerardM-: Oh dear, not this :P
[07:17:26] <GerardM->	<grin> now you bother people testing with this
[07:17:41] <Relentless>	I put an ad in the skin files, and it doesnt show up
[07:17:42] <GerardM->	so indeed it should be me saying "Oh dear, not this"
[07:17:59] <Splarka>	Relentless: _which_ ?
[07:18:00] <GerardM->	i answered to a thread started by Malafaya
[07:18:02] <Relentless>	I check to make sure the code was ok, I tried it in a seperate php file and it work.
[07:18:09] <Splarka>	monobook/main.css ?
[07:18:24] <GerardM->	</grin>
[07:18:24] <Splarka>	SkinTemplate.php/Skin.php/Monobook.php ?
[07:18:29] <Splarka>	MediaWiki:Monobook.css ?
[07:18:32] <Relentless>	MonoBook.php
[07:18:43] <Splarka>	okay, now we're getting somewhere
[07:18:51] <Splarka>	to clear that you zero the cache epoch doodad
[07:19:22] <Relentless>	What?
[07:19:46] <CrushKingX>	hrm any one here uses the FCKEditor on his wiki?
[07:19:53] <werdnum>	GerardM-: Not a testing issue, primarily a "It was Friday afternoon when I wrote that code" issue :D
[07:19:55] <Splarka>	I don't know much about that one, ask werdnum maybe
[07:20:06] <Splarka>	werdnum: how is it again you invalidate the cache of all rendered pages?
[07:20:11] <werdnum>	$wgCacheEpoch
[07:20:27] <Splarka>	right, set that to 1970?
[07:20:31] <Splarka>	or 'now'?
[07:20:53] <Splarka>	note that won't invalidate the css/js in /skins, as that uses $wgStyleVersion (completely different)
[07:20:54] <OverlordQ>	CrushKingX: last time I checked it didn't like the new versions of mediawiki
[07:21:09] <GerardM->	Werdnum, if it takes a minute to test, you can wrte code on Friday afternoon and not bother people with thsi kind of result
[07:21:15] <Splarka>	(see now why specifying "everything" is meaningless?)
[07:21:41] <Splarka>	Relentless: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgCacheEpoch
[07:22:03] <Splarka>	that is for rendered pages only, so when modifying the skins that is what you want
[07:23:36] <Relentless>	and I put this in LocalSettings.php?
[07:23:53] <Relentless>	$wgCacheEpoch = gmdate( 'YmdHis', @filemtime( __FILE__ ) );
[07:24:18] <Splarka>	seems to say that
[07:25:59] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgSquidMaxage  <-- Skin.php: $siteargs = array( 'maxage' => $wgSquidMaxage,
[07:26:00] <Relentless>	K thank you
[07:26:21] <Splarka>	I think that would lower the on-site editable CSS/JS load times, but you probably don't use those for ads
[07:33:57] <CrushKingX>	OverlordQ: damn
[07:34:11] <CrushKingX>	OverlordQ: got any other suggestions for an editor?
[07:52:29] <CrushKingX>	hrm im trying to install fckeditor and it says to edit this hook : EditPageBeforeEditConflict
[07:52:47] <CrushKingX>	but i cant find a manual information about this hook 
[07:52:50] <CrushKingX>	or how to edit it 
[07:52:52] <CrushKingX>	any one knows it?
[08:07:46] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add several namespace aliases to dewiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17501 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (WP.Wuzur)
[08:21:02] <Juandev>	hi
[08:21:29] <Juandev>	what is the name of that extension which allow to the user to edit his/her user page if enabled?
[08:23:03] <CrushKingX>	whats the name of the extension that adds a parser which allows mediawiki to "underestand" the source tag?
[08:23:58] <Wuzur|rhn>	!e SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi | CrushKingX
[08:23:58] --mwbot--	CrushKingX: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi
[08:24:26] <CrushKingX>	thanks :)
[09:02:33] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Logo change for tk.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17492  +comment (10jeluf)
[09:16:58] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Add several namespace aliases to dewiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17501  +comment (10jeluf)
[09:18:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Portals on arz.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17464  +comment (10jeluf)
[09:26:22] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r47287 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/EditPage.php): * Wrap warning message 'editinginterface' into a div with class 'mw-editinginterface'
[10:00:02] <Church_of_emacs>	Hi, MediaWiki.org-Admin needed: Please unprotect (or semi-protect) this, thanks http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Communication&action=unprotect
[10:00:17] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Add oasis opendocument to mime.types - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17497  +comment (10awen)
[10:43:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Only one word is shown red on diff comparison when turning around two words - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17457  (10siebrand)
[10:44:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add oasis opendocument to mime.types - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17497  (10siebrand)
[11:27:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add oasis opendocument to mime.types - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17497  (10awen)
[11:48:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) JS: Automatically hide "changes saved" message when changing preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17496  (10sylvain.brunerie)
[11:55:04] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) duplicates between namespaces and namespacealiases - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17502 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: API; (umherirrender_de.wp)
[11:55:59] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Enable extension to provide metadata support on Wikimedia Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17503 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (brianna.laugher)
[12:05:35] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Single Namespace is hidden - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17504 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Inputbox; (dasch_87)
[12:21:59] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r47288 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/mime.types): (bug 17497) Oasis opendocument added to mime.types (odg otg odt ott odp otp ods ots)
[12:22:04] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Add oasis opendocument to mime.types - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17497  +comment (10siebrand)
[12:23:09] <Alphos>	does any of you guys know why the "prependtext" (and "appendtext") feature on the API isn't described on the API manual (the one on mediawiki.org wiki, not the one on api.php) ? ^^'
[12:23:58] <Alphos>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Edit_-_Create%26Edit_pages it's supposed to be there, as this is the page describing action = edit, but it doesn't seem to appear :D
[12:24:25] <Splarka>	the api.php help action is maintained by the main developer (catrope)
[12:24:38] <Splarka>	so all features that go into the api end up on the internal help
[12:24:46] <Splarka>	he is not obligated to maintain the docs on mw.org
[12:24:52] <Alphos>	okay ^^
[12:25:00] <Alphos>	d'you mind if I complete that ? :)
[12:25:05] <Splarka>	figure out what they do and do it yourself, yes
[12:25:12] <Splarka>	heh
[12:25:23] <Alphos>	i've already figured that out, don't worry ^^'
[12:25:47] <Splarka>	note that many versions float around simultaneously, so it is handy to note which version they were added in
[12:26:03] <Alphos>	I'm sorry I don't know that...
[12:26:15] <Splarka>	1.13 is the latest stable, but 1.14 is in pre-release stage so many are testing it, and WMF is on 1.15
[12:26:20] <Splarka>	well, we can find out...
[12:26:24] <Alphos>	all I know is that it already existed back in octobernovember
[12:26:28] <Alphos>	oct/nov
[12:26:45] <Splarka>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiEditPage.php?view=log
[12:26:48] <Alphos>	but it perhaps did earlier
[12:27:06] <Splarka>	Revision 36235 - (bug 14459) Added prependtext and appendtext parameters to action=edit
[12:27:20] <Alphos>	Modified Thu Jun 12 13:05:07 2008 UTC (8 months ago) by catrope  well, it obviously already existed :D
[12:27:38] <Splarka>	so we check the branches..
[12:28:06] <Splarka>	1.12 was branched 31213, 1.13 in 37957, and 1.14 in 45547
[12:28:18] <Splarka>	so, it is a 1.13 feature
[12:28:57] <Splarka>	(although most of the API write is 1.13+ at this point, heh)
[12:33:02] <Alphos>	ok then ^^
[12:33:13] <Alphos>	(sorry, i was on the phone)
[12:33:18] <Alphos>	thanks a lot :)
[12:33:35] <Alphos>	i guess i also could begin the translation in french, too...
[12:47:58] <CrushKingX>	how can i add new special tags to the FCKEditor?
[13:37:19] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) No High Dynamic Range Image (HDRI) file formats allowed on Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17505 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (proxlrbar)
[14:30:34] <nano_>	anybody out there ?
[14:31:56] <CrushKingX>	anyone here familiar with the geshi extension?
[14:32:56] <nano_>	irc.freenode.net
[14:33:06] <NetHunter1>	hello
[14:33:42] <CrushKingX>	hey
[14:33:49] <NetHunter1>	Why does wfReportException print a backtrace ($e->__toString()) even if I have wgShowExceptionDetails = false?
[14:33:52] <NetHunter1>	Might be a bug?
[14:36:33] <NetHunter1>	Is it intentional? Would it be OK to not print it if wgShowExceptionDetails is off?
[14:50:54] <khear>	CrushKingX: which one? i use SyntaxHighlight GeSHi, and it works for me. that's pretty much all i know about it though ;)
[14:54:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Logo change for tk.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17492  (10spacebirdy)
[14:55:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Parsing precedence of exclamation character inside links inside tables - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16905  +comment (10martineznovo)
[15:00:55] <CrushKingX>	hrm 
[15:01:08] *Dusti|On-Duty 	needs to know how to enable conference mode for a channel please
[15:01:12] <CrushKingX>	what the parser thats working in mediawiki for the source tag?
[15:01:34] <p858snake>	the Geshi based ones support <sourcE>
[15:01:48] <CrushKingX>	because i installed Geshi but i dont get the code in a cube
[15:02:01] <CrushKingX>	like happens in the mediawiki site 
[15:02:30] <p858snake>	you mean the <pre> tag?
[15:02:55] <CrushKingX>	i should do <pre><source lang="C"> code </source></pre>?
[15:02:56] <Dusti|On-Duty>	Can anyone tell me how to set Conference Mode on a Channel like it set i nhere please?
[15:05:43] <khear>	CrushKingX: it should work with just <source>
[15:05:49] <Splarka>	Dusti|On-Duty: "hide all join, part, quit and nickname change messages" ?
[15:06:01] <Dusti|On-Duty>	yes
[15:06:04] <Splarka>	nothing to do with mediawiki, freenode, or even irc
[15:06:13] <Splarka>	you're using chatzilla, right?
[15:06:15] <Dusti|On-Duty>	yes
[15:06:18] <Splarka>	http://chatzilla.hacksrus.com/faq/
[15:06:41] <CrushKingX>	it doesnt :
[15:06:52] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Exceptions inside Exception ignore $wgShowExceptionDetails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17506 normal; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (davidt)
[15:06:55] <CrushKingX>	khear: it doesnt :(
[15:07:32] <khear>	CrushKingX: are you using http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi or http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GeSHiCodeTag ?
[15:07:34] <CrushKingX>	im also using the FCKEditor which creates some prbolems but i checked it happenes without the FCKEditor as well 
[15:07:57] <CrushKingX>	the first one
[15:08:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Exceptions inside Exception ignore $wgShowExceptionDetails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17506  (10davidt)
[15:08:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Portals on arz.wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17464  (10gaghaly)
[15:09:26] <CrushKingX>	khear: should i use the code tag?
[15:10:46] <CrushKingX>	khear: though i dont think its the right one because it requires diffrent tags and not just source 
[15:11:11] <khear>	CrushKingX: i'm using just the source tag
[15:11:26] <khear>	CrushKingX: did you install geshi itself too?
[15:13:09] <CrushKingX>	yes 
[15:13:21] <CrushKingX>	well "installed" downloaded the source code 
[15:14:26] <khear>	CrushKingX: ok, then i don't know what to say. i installed it two years ago or so, and it has worked through all the mediawiki upgrades
[15:14:46] <CrushKingX>	hrm ok 
[15:15:00] <CrushKingX>	thanks for the help :)\
[15:15:39] <CrushKingX>	i think its something to do with the styling :\
[15:19:31] <CIA-60>	03mkroetzsch * r47289 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/specials/AskSpecial/SMW_SpecialAsk.php: avoid pipeList() (only since MW 1.14, we still support down to 1.12)
[15:21:24] <CrushKingX>	any idea how this cube surrounding the code might be called? \
[15:32:58] <CIA-60>	03mkroetzsch * r47290 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/specials/ (2 files in 2 dirs): more pipe-separator compatibility for MW 1.13
[15:36:57] <CIA-60>	03mkroetzsch * r47291 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/specials/ (2 files in 2 dirs): use saces around pipe separators as in other MW special pages
[15:37:42] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Mailing list for Transcom - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17507 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Mailing lists; (cbrown1023)
[15:38:51] <CIA-60>	03mkroetzsch * r47292 10/tags/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/REL_1_4_2/specials/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fix for Bug 17459
[15:50:43] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Special:Ask in SMW 1.4.2 incompatible with MediaWiki <=1.13 - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17459  +comment (10markus)
[16:04:51] <CIA-60>	03mark * r47293 10/trunk/pybal/pybal/monitors/idleconnection.py: Use self.retry() in IdleConnection to reconnect slowly, this makes maxDelay work
[16:18:56] <CIA-60>	03mkroetzsch * r47294 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/storage/SMW_SQLStore2.php: fixed column order
[16:41:42] <Schuenemann>	how can I set the $wgLogo? I tried in both LocalSettings and DefaultSettings, they only make the logo disappear
[16:42:15] <Schuenemann>	the weird part is in the path to the image in the CSS is correct, if I point the browser directly to the image, it is found
[16:45:27] <Prodego>	Schuenemann: you probably set the path wrong
[16:45:35] <Prodego>	the file it should be set in is localsettings
[16:45:55] <Schuenemann>	Prodego,  $wgLogo = "$wgStylePath/skins/common/images/logo-vitoria.jpg";
[16:46:12] <Schuenemann>	http://localhost/mediawiki/skins/common/images/logo-vitoria.jpg shows the image
[16:46:14] <Prodego>	what is wgStylePath set to
[16:46:21] <Schuenemann>	Prodego,  default
[16:46:49] <Prodego>	stylepath defaults to {$wgScriptPath}/skins
[16:47:00] <Prodego>	change StylePath to ScriptPath
[16:47:35] <Prodego>	or remove the /skins/
[16:48:19] <Schuenemann>	it worked
[16:48:25] <Schuenemann>	why didn't it with scriptPath?
[16:48:33] <Schuenemann>	I tried with and without /skins/
[16:49:12] <Prodego>	not sure, but so long as it works now :)
[16:49:39] <Schuenemann>	I mean it didn't work with stylePath
[16:49:44] <Schuenemann>	well, thanks
[16:56:16] <jeorl>	What are the expected release dates for 1.14 and 1.15?
[17:05:52] <jlerner>	jeorl: when they're ready
[17:05:55] <jlerner>	1.14 anytime now
[17:05:59] <jlerner>	1.15 in 3-4 months
[17:06:13] <jeorl>	Thanks
[17:17:00] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) E-mail on usability.wikimedia.org non-functional - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17508 normal; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (innocentkiller)
[17:17:50] <Juandev>	so: what is the name of that extension which allow to the user to edit his/her user page if enabled?
[17:18:48] <delphine>	bonjour :)
[17:19:03] <Juandev>	delphine: bonjour
[17:19:05] <delphine>	I'm trying to move a wiki, and my new installation does not find the content
[17:19:24] <delphine>	I'm sure I've done something wrong in importing the db
[17:19:32] <delphine>	but I can't find out what :/
[17:19:33] <delphine>	any idea?
[17:19:42] *Juandev 	is not skilled in moving wikies
[17:20:16] <delphine>	I get this message (In French): La base de données n’a pas pu trouver le texte d’une page existante, dont le titre est « Accueil,oldid=1356 ». Ce n’est pas une erreur de la base de données, mais plus probablement un bogue du wiki. Veuillez rapporter cette erreur à un administrateur, en lui indiquant l’adresse de la page fautive. 
[17:20:43] <Juandev>	delphine: sounds to me logic, maybe there is some script to fix it
[17:21:06] <delphine>	thing is
[17:21:10] <delphine>	I have all the history
[17:21:21] <delphine>	but no content 
[17:21:24] <delphine>	even in the history
[17:21:26] <delphine>	it's like
[17:21:28] <delphine>	damned.
[17:22:27] <faceface>	what is the best way to use the API to query unused images?
[17:24:00] <faceface>	I figure, list->allimages, then get the properties for each one?
[17:24:15] <Juandev>	delphine: thats logic
[17:25:44] <delphine>	right, it may be logic, but it's not working.
[17:25:45] <delphine>	:)
[17:25:52] <delphine>	so how do I get it to work
[17:25:57] <delphine>	which is the table that has the text?
[17:26:18] <Juandev>	delphine: well, I am not a specialis
[17:26:26] <delphine>	ok
[17:26:35] <Juandev>	delphine: but I thing moviing the databese is difficult
[17:26:54] <Juandev>	delphine: so, you will need it to fix it inside the databese itself
[17:27:08] <^demon>	delphine: The text table.
[17:27:35] <delphine>	demon, thx
[17:28:27] <^demon>	No problem. The three tables you absolutey need are page, revision and text. If you've got those, you can run rebuildall.php in maintenance/ to repopulate the various links tables.
[17:29:12] <delphine>	ok
[17:29:21] <delphine>	how do I run rebuildall.php?
[17:29:30] <^demon>	From the command line.
[17:29:44] <delphine>	haha, that's gonna be harder.
[17:30:21] <faceface>	given api version, can someone tell me mw version?
[17:30:22] *delphine 	does not have root access to the server. Just ftp.
[17:30:33] <faceface>	ApiMain: $Id: ApiMain.php 21402 2007-04-20 08:55:14Z nickj $
[17:30:41] <faceface>	my Special:Version page is broken
[17:30:52] <faceface>	one extension broke it
[17:31:06] <faceface>	which MW version has that API version?
[17:32:26] <^demon>	faceface: 1.10
[17:32:50] <faceface>	thanks ^demon ... that explains why my query failed
[17:34:27] <CIA-60>	03philip * r47295 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Update the Chinese conversion tables.
[17:43:10] *delphine 	is stuck
[17:43:37] <delphine>	demon, if I do a clean install and import only those three tables from my old stuff, will that work?
[17:43:59] <delphine>	or is there another way to run the rebuildall thing?
[17:50:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) wpSpamRegex entry for large image tables - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15063  (10spacebirdy)
[17:51:07] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) wpSpamRegex entry for large image tables - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15063  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[17:59:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Separate privileges for redirecting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17461  +comment (10PhiLiP.NPC)
[18:12:35] <shamshir>	hello, how do I know the version of mediawiki i have installed on my server?
[18:12:58] <Nrrd>	Special:Version
[18:17:08] <faceface>	delphine, another way to do it would be to load the page text using a bot... you won't get the version history but you will 'rebuild all'
[18:30:24] <GerardM>	Is JPEG2000 a supported format ?
[18:32:06] <flyingparchment>	supported by what?  for scaling, that would depend on your image scaling software (e.g. imagemagick)
[18:33:13] <shamshir>	Nrrd, thanks!
[18:35:44] <GerardM>	I am looking on how to support images who are up to 750MB
[18:36:11] <GerardM>	the current top down download does not work for such big files
[18:36:34] <GerardM>	that is support from within MediaWiki
[18:36:58] <GerardM>	reading about djakota atm
[18:37:05] <flyingparchment>	what do you want mediawiki to do to support it?
[18:38:06] <GerardM>	http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/9370105 a good example
[18:38:33] <GerardM>	I want big pictures to be available in their fine detail
[18:38:51] <GerardM>	so probably it means that there is a need for an extension
[18:40:19] <flyingparchment>	what would the extension do?  it seems your requirements are more specific than "supports JPEG2000" - perhaps you need to define them more clearly
[18:41:27] <GerardM>	we are restoring images that are really large
[18:41:59] <GerardM>	on a wikipedia page you typically show a thumbnail but the image is available in a much higher resolution
[18:42:26] <GerardM>	loading an image that is really big is like watching paint dry
[18:42:45] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special:RecentChanges returns a php error on usability.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17509 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (mikelifeguard)
[18:42:58] <GerardM>	with the djakota software you can drill down into the image
[18:43:10] <GerardM>	and consequently the user experience is much better
[18:43:34] <GerardM>	the biggest restore is 680 MB
[18:43:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) E-mail on usability.wikimedia.org non-functional - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17508  (10mikelifeguard)
[18:46:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:RecentChanges returns a php error on usability.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17509   +shell; +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[18:46:46] <GerardM>	flyingparchment, does that make sense to you ?
[18:47:00] <kibble>	ekimmargni / ^demon; added Trevor as a Cc to your usability bug ;-) he's the one who's working on it, I think
[18:47:27] <ekimmargni>	you did?
[18:47:44] <ekimmargni>	oh that one
[18:47:44] <kibble>	yes, we don't get messages here about that anymore
[18:47:46] <ekimmargni>	thanks
[18:48:08] <^demon>	kibble: Awesome :)
[18:48:11] <ekimmargni>	I did the other
[18:48:26] <kibble>	I see
[18:48:28] <kibble>	later guys
[18:49:41] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Give patroller-group access to suppressredirect on nowiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17510 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (lars-wikimediabugzilla)
[18:53:08] <Rob_La|bach>	is there an easier way to upload files?
[18:55:46] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r47296 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (45 files): Localisation updates for core messages from translatewiki.net (2009-02-15 18:43 UTC)
[19:01:35] <delphine>	faceface: how do I do that?
[19:02:51] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r47297 10/trunk/extensions/ (182 files in 140 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from translatewiki.net (2009-02-15 18:43 UTC)
[19:07:19] <faceface>	delphine, are both wikis web accessible?
[19:10:33] <faceface>	delphine, see MediaWiki::API or pywikipediabot or similar
[19:10:46] *dungodung 	huggles delphine 
[19:10:56] <faceface>	programatically suck the textfrom one wiki and squirt it into the other
[19:11:01] <Pathoschild>	Why are the links not clickable (except the last one) on < http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee#Timeline >?
[19:11:30] <Pathoschild>	(EasyTimeLine).
[19:29:10] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) SRF-Ploticus: For showimagelink and showcsv actions, make the resulting image and csv file have non-hash fnames - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17511 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticResultFormats; (mediawiki)
[19:43:21] <Chryslergeek>	hi there, having trouble with Extension:Configure
[19:43:59] <Prodego>	yea
[19:44:12] <Prodego>	it is a bit buggy in my experience
[19:44:58] <Chryslergeek>	The extension won't let me configure the other wiki despite me setting preferences for it, and it being installed on both1
[19:47:12] <delphine>	faceface, no one of them is not accessible, that's my problem :)
[19:47:24] <Chryslergeek>	anyone able 2 help?
[19:47:35] <werdnum>	!move | delphine 
[19:47:35] --mwbot--	delphine: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Moving_a_wiki
[19:47:38] <werdnum>	that's the general guide
[19:51:06] <Chryslergeek>	hi anyone able to help?
[19:52:38] <Prodego>	I don't really know much about configure, sorry
[19:53:37] <Chryslergeek>	ta
[20:12:33] <Nikerabbit>	hi Duesentrieb
[20:13:30] <delphine>	werdnum: that's what I did. But it messed up.
[20:16:12] <Duesentrieb>	hey Nikerabbit
[20:16:20] <Duesentrieb>	hey delphine!
[20:16:30] <buzz_>	captain Duesentrieb 
[20:17:07] <delphine>	hi Duesentrieb
[20:17:12] <delphine>	:D
[20:17:16] <buzz_>	admiral delphine 
[20:17:17] <buzz_>	etc
[20:17:18] <buzz_>	;)
[20:17:40] *delphine 	wonders how she became an admiral
[20:17:41] <delphine>	:D
[20:18:05] <buzz_>	:)
[20:18:35] <buzz_>	because i wanted to outrank Duesentrieb 
[20:18:39] <buzz_>	wanted you to
[20:18:40] <buzz_>	:)
[20:19:06] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r47298 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
[20:19:06] <CIA-60>	* Censor mean wait
[20:19:06] <CIA-60>	* Added median wait state
[20:19:27] <Nikerabbit>	meow
[20:19:30] <buzz_>	of course. it is ambassador brion, and erm.. ensign Tim (ahem)
[20:19:31] <buzz_>	:)
[20:19:33] *buzz_ 	hides
[20:20:07] *buzz_ 	goes to wait for 1.14 final and stop harassing people
[20:20:08] <Nikerabbit>	and cat manager Nikerabbit
[20:20:09] <guillom>	Duesentrieb, btw, I laughed when I saw your notices on identica about « inheriting a TYPO3 » ; funny, because I'm making WMFR's new website with TYPO3 :)
[20:20:15] <buzz_>	Nikerabbit, :)
[20:21:04] <buzz_>	quarterly release schedule is almost at debian efficiency levels ;-)
[20:21:18] *delphine 	is going to beat mediawiki with a stick
[20:21:36] <werdnum>	delphine: hey!
[20:21:38] <buzz_>	delphine, ive been naughty btw, if you have anything left in your stick :)
[20:21:40] <werdnum>	no stick-beating
[20:21:43] <werdnum>	the poor sticks
[20:22:00] <delphine>	but this is pissing me off
[20:22:02] <delphine>	:D
[20:22:33] <buzz_>	i blame php
[20:22:37] <buzz_>	for most things
[20:22:55] *delphine 	blames mysql
[20:23:01] <buzz_>	oh yeh and mysql
[20:23:02] <buzz_>	:)
[20:23:33] <buzz_>	mysql. is great until you want to do more than basic stuff, and then you go "why the **** do i have to make a server wide setting for this. grrr" and then you give up
[20:23:49] <delphine>	so if I want to install mediawiki locally
[20:23:50] <buzz_>	or if you need to do ANYTHING with its useless fulltext index
[20:23:53] <delphine>	what do I need?
[20:24:11] <buzz_>	webserver (apache is easiest perhaps), php 5.x, mysql
[20:24:41] <ialex>	delphine: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Installation_requirements
[20:28:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Request for a Dutch version of labs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16812  (10danny.leinad)
[20:32:59] <svip>	I am having a strange issue with the Cite extension.
[20:33:05] <svip>	It does not appear when not logged in.
[20:47:06] <chasingsol>	hi all. is there a way to "oversight" a block, namely remove the entry from the log?
[21:05:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Formatting error in "preferences" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17482  (10FT2.wiki)
[21:08:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Formatting error in "preferences" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17482  +comment (10FT2.wiki)
[21:23:37] <Kage`>	Can someone help me debug why using this extension: http://blog.mozilla.com/oremj/2007/01/29/mediawiki-httpauth-plugin/#comments is not working?  Specifically, if I follow the wgHooks instructions here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:HttpAuth it dies
[21:24:04] <Kage`>	Rather, mediawiki does a core dump and complains about a hook not working properly
[21:25:31] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r47299 10/trunk/phase3/ (7 files in 7 dirs): 
[21:25:31] <CIA-60>	* Special:Prefixindex: Move table styling to shared.css
[21:25:31] <CIA-60>	* Add CSS IDs to tables
[21:25:31] <CIA-60>	* Use correct message 'allpagesprefix' for input form label
[21:25:31] <CIA-60>	* Replace _ with ' ' in next page link
[21:29:34] <Kage`>	Anyone around?
[21:30:39] <Danny_B>	!ask | Kage` 
[21:30:39] --mwbot--	Kage`: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[21:30:53] <Kage`>	-_-
[21:30:57] <Kage`>	Please don't patronize me.
[21:31:06] <Kage`>	I already asked my question
[21:31:08] <Danny_B>	just be patient and wait
[21:31:11] <Danny_B>	it's sunday
[21:31:21] <Kage`>	Now I'm asking if anyone is active at all to HELP me with my already-asked question.
[21:31:41] <chuck>	which is not necessary
[21:31:50] <chuck>	if people where active and around, they would answer your question, no?
[21:31:56] <Kage`>	Actually, no
[21:31:58] <Kage`>	NOt at all.
[21:32:07] <chuck>	k
[21:32:30] <Kage`>	There's a strong "ignore the guy asking for help" mentality in IRC anymore
[21:32:36] <Kage`>	Rather, seemingly always has been :/
[21:32:49] <Kage`>	Regardless, it did make a couple of you active :P
[21:32:50] <Prodego>	yes, particularly if the asker is annoying
[21:32:59] <ialex>	Kage`: did you follow http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:HttpAuth#When_it_doesn.27t_work ?
[21:33:06] <Kage`>	ialex, yes
[21:33:28] <ialex>	Kage`: and what's the error?
[21:33:36] <Kage`>	It's still dumping Exceptions
[21:33:37] <Prodego>	ialex: some one was in here with problems with configure ealier
[21:33:41] <Prodego>	earlier*
[21:33:46] <Kage`>	Particularly in User
[21:33:53] <ialex>	Prodego: the one which is on my talk page? :)
[21:33:56] <Prodego>	seems the interwiki part wasn't working for them?
[21:34:14] <Prodego>	yep
[21:34:19] <ialex>	Kage`: something like "Hook failed to return a value"?
[21:36:02] <Kage`>	ialex, yes
[21:36:18] <Kage`>	ialex, but I followed the "It doesn't work" stuff for the Extension
[21:36:35] <Kage`>	ialex, I'm double-checking my changes to be sure, but I followed them to the T
[21:36:38] <Prodego>	ialex: BTW I really love configure
[21:36:54] <Prodego>	with some polishing, it will really be a must have
[21:38:04] <ialex>	Prodego: you have a particular wish, either open a bug or put on (the extension|my) talk page :)
[21:38:07] <Kage`>	ialex, ah, crap, I found my issue
[21:38:19] <Kage`>	ialex, I failed to add "return true" in autoAuthenticate
[21:38:27] <Kage`>	My apologies.  Thanks for your help anyway :P
[21:38:35] <ialex>	np :)
[21:38:39] <Kage`>	It works perfectly now
[21:38:53] <Kage`>	Now, here's one last dumb question...
[21:39:05] <Kage`>	How can I remove "Logout" from the upper-right corner?
[21:39:09] <Kage`>	Where is that located?
[21:39:25] <Kage`>	"Kage My talk My preferences My watchlist My contributions Log out " that stuff, particularly
[21:51:00] <ialex>	Kage`: http://pastebin.com/m79a7159f in LocalSettings.php :)
[21:51:51] <Kage`>	ialex, will that remove the Action it does, or the actual Link?
[21:52:02] <ialex>	Kage`: the link
[21:52:02] <Kage`>	Removing the action isn't too necessary.  I just don't want the link there
[21:52:05] <Kage`>	Oh, good :O
[21:53:07] <Kage`>	ialex, dude, awesome.  Thanks. :O
[21:54:47] <ialex>	no problem :)
[21:59:38] <Simetrical>	"Merge commit 'origin/ian-luca'" <-- Someone else using git-svn?
[22:02:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Implement collapsible tables in core javascript - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17456  (10happy_melon)
[22:11:15] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Only one word is shown red on diff comparison when turning around two words - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17457  +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[22:16:07] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r47301 10/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/ (CheckUser.php CheckUser_body.php checkuser.js): 
[22:16:07] <CIA-60>	* Removed some duplication of IP.php stuff
[22:16:07] <CIA-60>	* Various IPv6 fixes
[22:16:07] <CIA-60>	* Minor UI tweaks
[22:19:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Implement collapsible tables in core javascript - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17456  (10mikelifeguard)
[22:25:06] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r47302 10/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/checkuser.js: Be clearer about large cidrs
[22:28:41] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r47303 10/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/checkuser.js: fix silly bug
[22:32:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Newpages/Special:Recentchanges should be localized on the "mark changes as patrolled" confirmation - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17103  (10marcin.cieslak)
[22:33:36] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Special:Newpages/Special:Recentchanges should be localized on the "mark changes as patrolled" confirmation - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17103  +comment (10marcin.cieslak)
[23:06:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Implement collapsible tables in core javascript - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17456  (10happy_melon)
[23:16:07] <uberfuzzy>	hi, anyone got any idea why a call to Article>doEdit with EDIT_FORCE_BOT would not actually make the edit be recorded as a bot edit?
[23:33:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) hyphen-minus is unreadable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16213  +comment (10krixel)
[23:40:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) hyphen-minus is unreadable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16213  (10krixel)
[23:54:08] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) API returns 'WrongPass' despite correct password, perhaps login throttling - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17512 normal; normal; MediaWiki: API; (cbm)