[00:00:48] <kim_bruning>	OverlordQ, All those legs make things complicated. Python has no braces, parens, overcomplex typing, or in fact legs
[00:00:56] <MinuteElectron>	kim_bruning: Well, I think that is most important - especially now it is in Wikimedia subversion, so lots more people may be using it.
[00:00:56] <kim_bruning>	;-P
[00:01:28] <kim_bruning>	MinuteElectron, and if they script it, a syntax update will break many more scripts
[00:01:32] <MinuteElectron>	Indeed.
[00:01:56] <kim_bruning>	:-(
[00:02:02] <kim_bruning>	I'll have to Think Fast
[00:02:38] <kim_bruning>	OverlordQ, actually, IIRC brion pointed out that it might have been nicer if the code had been in PHP
[00:03:01] <kim_bruning>	OverlordQ, insofar as that it'll work on  anything that runs mediawiki already
[00:03:20] <OverlordQ>	yea but its not whitespace agnostic
[00:03:42] <kim_bruning>	OverlordQ, Dude, I've been adding whitespace to my programs for 20 years or so by now
[00:03:52] <kim_bruning>	so it's instinctive to me
[00:04:13] <kim_bruning>	the nice thing about python is that it actually seems to read my mind. (though I know it's really just reading my instinctive use of the tab key)
[00:04:34] <kim_bruning>	OverlordQ, YMMV, instincts not included in package.
[00:05:15] <OverlordQ>	I just think a language where indention is vitally important is broken by design :P
[00:05:34] <Simetrical>	Why?
[00:05:50] <Simetrical>	Any C code that's not indented correctly is really bad practice anyway.
[00:06:06] <kim_bruning>	OverlordQ, you're just trying to whip up a conversation ;-)
[00:06:39] <kim_bruning>	OverlordQ, I think a language that actually can and will do the OPPOSITE of what the indentation suggests is broken by design ;-)
[00:06:53] <kim_bruning>	if (foo) 
[00:07:00] <OverlordQ>	TIMTOWTDI ;)
[00:07:01] <kim_bruning>	    do_this();
[00:07:05] <kim_bruning>	    do_that();
[00:07:20] <kim_bruning>	what happens if foo is false? ;-)
[00:07:53] <OverlordQ>	hellifknow, that's why the great noodly appendege invented {}'s :P
[00:08:04] <kim_bruning>	There should be one-- and preferably only one --obvious way to do it.
[00:08:04] <kim_bruning>	Although that way may not be obvious at first unless you're Dutch.
[00:08:21] <kim_bruning>	so... I actually happen to be dutch
[00:08:23] <OverlordQ>	any languages use RPN?
[00:08:26] <kim_bruning>	once again YMMV :-)
[00:08:47] <kim_bruning>	OverlordQ, yes forth does
[00:09:08] <mark>	I find that the only people bitching about python's method of scoping/indentation, are the ones who have never actually used it (much) in practice
[00:09:14] <OverlordQ>	mmmmmmm, write the installer in forth :P
[00:09:29] <kim_bruning>	OverlordQ, I have actually written forth-like languages a lot
[00:09:36] <mark>	I am pretty stubborn about things like indentation, and it's NEVER been in my way
[00:09:43] <kim_bruning>	I could write the interpreter/compiler in python? ;-)
[00:10:17] <kim_bruning>	(for some definition of "a lot" where lot is 3 ... I guess that's a lot if you're into writing own pet languages ;-) )
[00:10:52] <OverlordQ>	anyting crazy like brainfsck or befunge?
[00:10:53] <kim_bruning>	hmm, to do it really well, I would need to read up on x86 assembler though, specificially for compiler writing
[00:11:04] <kim_bruning>	OverlordQ, nope, sorry
[00:11:07] <kim_bruning>	all crazy like forth ;-)
[00:11:52] <kim_bruning>	I typically just wrote them with interpreters though
[00:12:19] <CIA-60>	03simetrical * r47318 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/populateCategory.php: Newline after help message to not mess up terminal
[00:12:27] <Simetrical>	Yay, CIA has woken up.
[00:12:31] <kim_bruning>	I did write one variant that did turtle graphics... it pushed the command line onto the stack right-to-left so that the syntax still resembled logo
[00:13:01] <kim_bruning>	(could you imagine someone doing 90 right 100 forward? ;-) 
[00:13:37] <kim_bruning>	(of course, this does make stuff like forward right 90 100  valid syntax. Good luck deciphering ;-) )
[00:15:32] <kim_bruning>	OverlordQ, finally, I actually love Perl too , it's a fun language, especially when you're hacking together code to rewrite a 10000 line project to remove 99% of all globals O:-)
[00:18:46] <OverlordQ>	i love it because I get to play "Now why did I write it like that" after shelving a script for a while :D
[00:19:26] <kim_bruning>	OverlordQ, yeah, you can't do that with python. You can still read your code after a year or two
[00:19:42] <kim_bruning>	:-P
[00:20:26] <MinuteElectron>	night
[00:24:46] <kim_bruning>	night!
[00:31:27] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add WQ: as an alias for Wikiquote: namespace on Simple English Wikiquote - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17526 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (james.maximillion)
[00:31:34] <werdnum>	ewwwww
[00:31:45] <Simetrical>	Why is that ewwwww?
[00:31:46] <Marybelle>	Ew?
[00:31:48] *Simetrical 	counts w's
[00:31:58] <Marybelle>	Ws, too. >_>
[00:32:05] <p858snake>	all interwikis should just be there full name >.>
[00:32:08] <werdnum>	WQ:/WP: aliases are kinda freaky.
[00:32:08] <p858snake>	*runs and hides*
[00:32:13] <Simetrical>	werdnum, oh, and by the way, Wikiquote got me modded +5 Informative.  \o/  http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1128853&cid=26868017
[00:32:54] <Simetrical>	So feh to it not being useful!
[00:33:22] *Simetrical 	just got up to "Good" karma, in fact
[00:33:22] <p858snake>	see something like [[Wikiquote:Steve Jobs]] would make much more sense to a newbie editor than something like [[WQ:Steve Jobs]]
[00:34:00] <Simetrical>	This isn't interwiki, though.
[00:34:10] <Simetrical>	It's intrawiki, and probably to be used only for shortcuts.
[00:35:08] <p858snake>	i also hate all single letter intewiki/intrawiki links as well if they are still around
[00:36:02] <Simetrical>	Whoa, WTF, I never knew /. was owned by SourceForge.  o_O
[00:36:26] <werdnum>	We could alias WTF to Wikipedia:
[00:36:31] <werdnum>	sounds appropriate
[00:36:37] <p858snake>	isn't it owned by a company that owns both them and sourceforge?
[00:37:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Comments may be cut off on page moves and page protections - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16921  +comment (10gtisza)
[00:37:23] <Simetrical>	p858snake, yes, and that company is called "SourceForge, Inc."
[00:37:55] <p858snake>	:o someone tried to make a wiki article abut Kenny Glenn
[00:38:39] <p858snake>	*about
[00:43:10] <OverlordQ>	weren't they OSDN at one point?
[01:22:21] <jeblad>	anyone here that knows the internal of Extensin:Gadgets? Duesentrieb? Siebrand?
[01:22:37] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r47332 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Renamed 'ug' to 'ug-latn' to make room for a future 'ug-arab' (and possibly ug-cyrl).
[01:23:24] <CIA-60>	03catrope * r47333 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiQueryUsers.php: API: Add AS explicitly for PostgreSQL compatibility and fix hinky indentation in ApiQueryUsers. Patch by Brad Jorsch
[01:26:11] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r47336 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/CodeReleaseNotes.php: 
[01:26:11] <CIA-60>	* Tweaked asterisk handling in summaries
[01:26:11] <CIA-60>	* Added shortenSummary() function
[01:26:12] <CIA-60>	* Escaped $ literal for regexp and removed var matching
[01:33:53] <CIA-60>	03simetrical * r47319 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Article.php: (log message trimmed)
[01:33:53] <CIA-60>	Partial revert of r41018 "Wrap $log->addEntry() in transaction"
[01:33:53] <CIA-60>	In addition to wrapping the given function call in a transaction, the
[01:33:54] <CIA-60>	commit also (without explanation or apparent purpose) moved a block of
[01:33:54] <CIA-60>	code to a totally different place, which broke it entirely.
[01:33:56] <CIA-60>	Specifically, it moved the update of the category table on article
[01:33:58] <CIA-60>	delete to AFTER THE CATEGORYLINKS ROWS WERE ALREADY DELETED, which meant
[01:34:04] <CIA-60>	03simetrical * r47320 10/branches/REL1_14/phase3/includes/Article.php: 
[01:34:06] <CIA-60>	Partial revert of r41018 "Wrap $log->addEntry() in transaction"
[01:34:28] <CIA-60>	Backporting r47318 to branch.
[01:36:25] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r47321 10/trunk/extensions/WikiTrust/ (8 files in 5 dirs): svn:eol-style native
[01:36:25] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r47322 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (116 files): Localisation updates for core messages from translatewiki.net (2009-02-16 16:59 UTC)
[01:36:25] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r47323 10/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/CheckUser.php: PG tweak for bug 17520: use default cuc_page_id val
[01:37:32] <CIA-60>	03catrope * r47324 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiQueryUsers.php: API: Fix yet another regression from r46845 that completely broke list=users. Patch by Brad Jorsch
[01:37:32] <CIA-60>	03malafaya * r47325 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/pages/TalkpageHeaderView.php: missing blank space between messages
[01:37:32] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r47326 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Article.php: Fix r47319: this is reverting the wrong revision (cause was r40912). Move cat stuff up to original point.
[01:37:50] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r47327 10/trunk/phase3/includes/JobQueue.php: Add gripe about FIFO and random row selection
[01:38:41] <Simetrical>	It's aliiiiiiiive
[01:38:49] <CIA-60>	03malafaya * r47330 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/pages/TalkpageHeaderView.php: i18n: using message 'word-separator' instead of hard-coded space
[01:38:49] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r47331 10/trunk/extensions/ (67 files in 62 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from translatewiki.net (2009-02-16 17:30 UTC)
[01:38:51] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) 1,12 and 1.13 Instals don't have a "prefix" MYSQL option - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17527 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Database; (gazumped)
[01:40:07] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r47334 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/ (cleanupCaps.php cleanupTable.inc cleanupWatchlist.php): Made WatchlistCleanup and CapsCleanup extend TableCleanup rather than FiveUpgrade so that they don't need to re-implement cleanup() and runTable()
[01:40:07] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r47335 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialPreferences.php: 
[01:40:07] <CIA-60>	Prettify code of Special:Preferences#Misc. Use Xml::functions.
[01:40:09] <CIA-60>	This maybe fixes bug 17482 (Formatting error in "preferences") but I cannot see the effect in my installations.
[01:44:00] <CIA-60>	03huji * r47337 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFa.php: Localisation updates: Better translation for "IP" in the Persian messages
[01:46:12] <CIA-60>	03jnatividad * r47338 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticResultFormats/Ploticus/ (6 files in 4 dirs): added sample PLOTICUS_CONFIG file; expanded README re PLOTICUS_CONFIG; added replacement scatter plot prefab (scats.pl); renamed addons dir to prefabs.
[01:47:21] <Charitwo>	busy night tonight
[01:47:40] <AaronSchulz>	no, just cia catching up
[01:47:41] *GreenReaper 	was just watching it go scrolling by.
[01:47:52] <Charitwo>	oh, didn't know it was lagged
[01:48:02] <CIA-60>	03kim * r47339 10/trunk/wiki/ (66 files in 13 dirs): Putting the wikiation installer into mediawiki svn
[01:49:37] <CIA-60>	03kim * r47340 10/trunk/wiki/wikiation/installer/ (8 files): License information
[01:49:37] <CIA-60>	03thomasv * r47341 10/trunk/extensions/DoubleWiki/DoubleWiki.php: minor
[01:50:34] <CIA-60>	03kim * r47342 10/trunk/wiki/wikiation/wikiation_exttest/ (22 files in 4 dirs): 
[01:50:34] <CIA-60>	Importing the wikiation extension tester.
[01:50:34] <CIA-60>	(uses pywikipedia to do diverse tests)
[01:51:10] <CIA-60>	03kim * r47343 10/trunk/wiki/wikiation/installer/LICENSE: +License data for Logo.png
[01:51:22] <CIA-60>	03kim * r47344 10/trunk/wiki/: moving this tree by hand
[01:51:39] <CIA-60>	03kim * r47345 10/trunk/wikiation/ (65 files in 12 dirs): re-importing installer to the correct location
[01:51:39] <CIA-60>	03kim * r47346 10/trunk/wikiation/wikiation_exttest/ (22 files in 4 dirs): import the wikiation extension tester to the correct location
[01:51:39] <CIA-60>	03kim * r47347 10/trunk/wikiation/wikiation_check_isolation/ (14 files in 2 dirs): add the check isolation tool to mediawiki svn
[01:52:03] <CIA-60>	03kim * r47348 10/trunk/wikiation/installer/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Update installfiles to reflect new locations
[01:53:18] <werdnum>	o_O
[01:53:51] *Charitwo 	bites werdnum
[01:56:30] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Clicking on "Edit" in Wikipedia produces only a blank field - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17528 04BLOCKER; normal; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; (shawngoldwater)
[02:00:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Clicking on "Edit" in Wikipedia produces only a blank field - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17528  +comment (10Andrew)
[02:02:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Clicking on "Edit" in Wikipedia produces only a blank field - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17528  +comment (10Andrew)
[02:11:02] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Clicking on "Edit" in Wikipedia produces only a blank field - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17528  +comment (10Andrew)
[02:13:44] <Splarka>	heh
[02:14:06] <p858snake>	perhaps also find out what gadget/script caused it so we can find out?
[02:14:12] <p858snake>	and possibly fix it
[02:48:54] <CIA-60>	03tstarling * r47349 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/checkImages.php: 
[02:48:54] <CIA-60>	* Fix batching
[02:48:54] <CIA-60>	* Report when there is a directory where a file should be
[02:52:12] <CIA-60>	03tstarling * r47350 10/trunk/extensions/CentralNotice/SpecialNoticeTemplate.php: Committing live fix.
[02:59:23] <emma>	hi guys
[02:59:34] <emma>	!safe-mode
[02:59:34] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "safe-mode".
[02:59:37] <emma>	!safemode
[02:59:37] --mwbot--	safe_mode is an ill-concieved, broken-by-design setting in PHP that is supposed to make broken scripts safe. It was deprecated in PHP5 and removed in PHP6. MediaWiki can run with safe_mode enabled, but many of the advanced features will not work or need additional configuration (image thumbnailing using ImageMagick, for example). See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Safe_mode for more information.
[03:02:31] <emma>	in the above link, when it says make images/temp, images/deleted, etc...    is it saying make those new directories in the root, or to add those to images in the /skins/common/images directory?
[03:05:25] <GreenReaper>	I think it's in the root, not in /skins/common/images
[03:05:40] <emma>	okay
[03:05:43] <GreenReaper>	Remember, it maps to your website, so the images are in /w/images/...
[03:06:01] <emma>	funny how so many directories have the same name. i find that confusing.
[03:06:10] <emma>	what does w mean?
[03:06:39] <GreenReaper>	It's the common name used as the directory holding the main index.php file and other subdirectories.
[03:07:14] <GreenReaper>	On most sites, /wiki/ is just a shortcut for /w/index.php?title=
[03:07:44] <emma>	Okay
[03:07:54] <emma>	so on my site /home/public
[03:07:56] <CIA-60>	03tstarling * r47351 10/trunk/phase3/includes/CategoryPage.php: Live patch: use a query group for CategoryPage
[03:08:36] <GreenReaper>	Depends how you have it set up exactly, but the simplest way is to extract the files of the MediaWiki distribution to /home/public/w/
[03:08:43] <GreenReaper>	if public is the root of your website.
[03:09:41] <GreenReaper>	See here for more info on how to get it so that you access it as /wiki/: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL
[03:17:33] <CIA-60>	03tstarling * r47352 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/DefaultSettings.php includes/User.php): Added $wgRateLimitsExcludedIPs feature, based on live hack.
[03:18:08] <emma>	GreenReaper: im not using it with /wiki/ im using it as a subdomain.
[03:18:51] <emma>	GreenReaper: http://wiki.club-ubuntu.org
[03:19:41] <GreenReaper>	Then you want http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL#URL_like_-_example.com.2FPage_title
[03:20:09] <emma>	GreenReaper: i don't understand. Why do I want that?
[03:20:47] <GreenReaper>	Well, if you want to access it as http://wiki.club-ubuntu.org/Pagename. I thought that was what you were saying; if not, my apologies.
[03:21:42] <GreenReaper>	Probably for the best, that method isn't recommend due to various issues that have to be worked around. :-)
[03:22:05] <zu22>	hi everyone, i have scoured the mediawiki wiki and cannot find out how to add email verification to account creation
[03:22:14] <zu22>	can someone please tell me how or give me a website that explains it
[03:23:41] <GreenReaper>	When you say verification, do you want to verify that the email is valid, or do you want to require that they verify their email before being able to use the account at all?
[03:24:12] <Tim-away>	you know xrumer will spam you anyway
[03:24:41] <Tim-away>	it supports lots of different types of throwaway web-based email account
[03:25:05] <werdnum>	For Xrumer you need a captcha 
[03:25:23] <Tim-away>	yeah, it doesn't recognise our captcha yet
[03:25:31] <Tim-away>	if we ported it to a blog they'd probably add it though
[03:25:38] <GreenReaper>	zu22: See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings#Email_settings in particular $wgEmailAuthentication
[03:26:14] <GreenReaper>	If you want verification to be mandatory before use, also set $wgEmailConfirmToEdit
[03:26:14] <GreenReaper>	From MediaWiki.org
[03:26:14] <GreenReaper>	Jump to: navigation, search
[03:26:22] <GreenReaper>	Whoops, a little too much copied there.
[03:26:27] <Splarka>	what is easiest is to just allow users to create accounts, but not do anything until they confirm their email
[03:26:30] *GreenReaper 	blames hidden subtitles
[03:26:36] <Splarka>	what is most Big Brother is: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmAccount
[03:26:42] <GreenReaper>	Then you strike!
[03:26:55] <Splarka>	(but that requires manual creation by you and trusted 'crats/sysops)
[03:27:33] <zu22>	GreenReaper: well i'd like to do both if possible but i'd settle for the latter
[03:27:41] <CIA-60>	03tstarling * r47353 10/trunk/phase3/includes/MessageCache.php: Added some profiling sections for expensive functions
[03:27:48] <GreenReaper>	The latter requires the former.
[03:27:52] <GreenReaper>	Just set both to true. :-)
[03:28:01] <zu22>	GreenReaper: thanks
[03:28:37] <GreenReaper>	In fact by default all only $wgEmailConfirmToEdit needs to be set to true.
[03:28:42] <GreenReaper>	-all
[03:28:44] <zu22>	cool
[03:28:56] <GreenReaper>	Authentication is default true.
[03:29:09] <zu22>	i am taking over the wiki hosting for an open source game i contribute to
[03:29:12] <CIA-60>	03tstarling * r47354 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Wiki.php: Profile RawPage
[03:29:21] <zu22>	so this is my first exposure to running a wiki
[03:29:48] <GreenReaper>	Good luck. :-)
[03:29:49] <zu22>	i found directions how to add ReCAPTCHA so i'll throw that in too
[03:29:56] <zu22>	GreenReaper: thanks
[03:30:09] <werdnum>	If I may steal Tim's quote, the best way to prevent spam is to require credit card numbers for all new registrations, and pre-authorise a $50 fine for spam.
[03:32:24] <CIA-60>	03tstarling * r47355 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ProfilerSimple.php: Support early loading of the Profiler class from a different directory (live patch)
[03:32:35] <zu22>	werdnum: lol
[03:32:50] <zu22>	what the heck is CIA-60 doing?
[03:32:52] <zu22>	is he a bot?
[03:33:03] <CWii2>	zu22, Yes...
[03:33:07] <zu22>	k
[03:33:08] <Tim-away>	it's telling you about all my very important software changes
[03:33:13] <zu22>	oh
[03:33:19] *CWii2 	facepalms
[04:50:46] <kaoticsnow>	 
[04:51:22] <kaoticsnow>	What's the best way to redirect traffic from the root domain to a subdirectory my wiki is installed in?
[04:54:59] <qsheets>	kaoticsnow: php or html?
[04:56:03] <Charitwo>	yea, html...sec
[04:56:22] <qsheets>	both are easy
[04:57:31] <kaoticsnow>	I was hoping for .htaccess but php would work
[04:57:42] <Charitwo>	<meta http-equiv="refresh" content="5; URL=http://wiki.foobar.com">
[04:57:56] <qsheets>	<?php header("Location: http://www.example.com/"); exit; ?>
[04:58:01] <kaoticsnow>	kk that works thanks
[04:59:26] <qsheets>	for html ...content="0;... is instantaneous whereas 5 gives a delay
[05:00:53] <kaoticsnow>	sweet I got it working with the php method, thanks
[05:10:48] <p858snake>	pfft don't use either of those, use a .htaccess file
[05:10:51] <p858snake>	much nicer!
[05:11:38] <p858snake>	or if you have access to the servers (apache/nigix ect) config files do it them which is even nicer
[05:13:21] <qsheets>	p858snake: sure, but i cant remember that off the top of my head
[05:15:58] <kaoticsnow>	I have root access to the box
[05:16:05] <kaoticsnow>	its an internal wiki for work
[05:19:37] <kaoticsnow>	p858snake: how would I go about doing it with apache config files?
[05:20:59] <p858snake>	!man Short URL | kaoticsnow
[05:20:59] --mwbot--	kaoticsnow: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short
[05:21:05] <p858snake>	!man Short_URL | kaoticsnow
[05:21:05] --mwbot--	kaoticsnow: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL
[05:21:14] <p858snake>	that should give hints for how to do it
[05:21:25] <p858snake>	but i've never tried them before
[05:21:57] <kaoticsnow>	hmm we'll I followed the instructions already for http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL#Recommended_how-to_guide_.28setup_used_on_Wikipedia.29
[05:22:17] <kaoticsnow>	but now going to the URL shows a directory listing and I have to click the w directory to see the wiki
[05:22:48] <kaoticsnow>	I just need to redirect everything going the the base URL redirected to the /w subdirectory
[05:43:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Job queue estimate often woefully inaccurate; need a better strategy - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9518  +comment (10public)
[05:50:07] <p858snake>	kaoticsnow: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/mod/mod_alias.html#redirect <try looking at that
[05:57:27] <kaoticsnow_>	is there an easier way to rename user accounds? I installed the Renameuser extension but am getting a undefined method error, can I just hop into the database and rename the user there?
[06:01:01] <p858snake>	kaoticsnow_: if you didn't see it earlier "<p858snake> kaoticsnow: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/mod/mod_alias.html#redirect <try looking at that" for the redirecting issue
[06:03:31] <kaoticsnow_>	awww thanks! now just need to figure out how to rename my account and I'm golden!
[06:11:32] <TimStarling>	renaming users in the database is quite complex
[06:11:44] <TimStarling>	you should tell us what the error is
[06:12:27] <kaoticsnow_>	not an error its just that when I installed the wiki I set up the first user using kaotic as my name
[06:12:40] <TimStarling>	the undefined method error
[06:12:42] <kaoticsnow_>	and since its a work wiki It needs to be first initial and last name
[06:12:50] <kaoticsnow_>	ahh yea let me get it
[06:14:40] <kaoticsnow_>	Fatal error: Call to undefined method AuthPlugin::getUserInstance() in /var/www/w/extensions/Renameuser/SpecialRenameuser_body.php on line 425
[06:26:26] <TimStarling>	kaoticsnow_: use the version of Renameuser that matches the version of MediaWiki you're using
[06:26:34] <TimStarling>	that will be 1.13 or earlier
[06:27:20] <TimStarling>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:ExtensionDistributor/Renameuser
[06:27:33] <TimStarling>	select your version in the drop-down box before you click continue
[06:32:03] <kaoticsnow_>	I already got around it I installed the Merge and Delete addon and then created a new account and merged all of the old account information into the new one
[06:32:34] <kaoticsnow_>	but thanks alot I still want that extension instaled I'll grab the new one
[06:32:43] <kaoticsnow_>	installed*
[06:46:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) 1.12 and 1.13 Installs don't have a "prefix" MYSQL option (stable installer regression) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17527  summary; +comment (10brion)
[06:47:02] <kaoticsnow_>	ok one last question and I'm all done, I restored my wiki from an XML dump as the disk crashed on our wiki server and I'm rebuilding it on a new server, none of the external links work, eg. [http://url.com url text] any idea why?
[06:47:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add WQ: as an alias for Wikiquote: namespace on Simple English Wikiquote - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17526   +shell (10brion)
[06:49:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) css and .js pages does not store entries in Categorylinks table/Templatelinks table - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17525  +comment (10brion)
[06:49:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Render wikilinks in site/user CSS/JS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10410  (10brion)
[06:51:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CSS and JavaScript changes should take effect immediately (at least as a config option) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17524  +comment (10brion)
[06:54:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Usability wiki misses the interwiki set - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17518   +shell; +comment (10brion)
[06:56:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Configuration files should have versioning system - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17517   +shell; +comment (10brion)
[06:58:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:RecentChanges returns a php error on usability.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17509  +comment (10brion)
[06:59:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) E-mail on usability.wikimedia.org non-functional - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17508  +comment (10brion)
[07:01:01] <Marybelle>	Whoa.
[07:04:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) No High Dynamic Range Image (HDRI) file formats allowed on Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17505  +comment (10brion)
[07:05:15] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) rvend ignored when rvstartid is specified - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17529 normal; normal; MediaWiki: API; (sco_scam)
[07:06:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Single Namespace is hidden - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17504  (10brion)
[07:15:27] <CrushKingX>	morning
[07:15:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable Atom feed on blog.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16901   +upstream; +comment (10brion)
[07:18:51] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enable Atom feed on blog.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16901  +comment (10brion)
[07:29:04] <Marybelle>	What's an RCS backup?
[07:29:25] <flyingparchment>	context?
[07:29:41] <flyingparchment>	RCS is a revision control system
[07:29:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) One sees a page as it appeared BEFORE an edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5311  (10tstarling)
[07:29:43] <Marybelle>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17517#c1
[07:29:51] <flyingparchment>	(similar to CVS, but only supports local files)
[07:29:52] <Marybelle>	That's probably it, then.
[07:29:58] <Marybelle>	For Wikimedia's conf files.
[07:30:52] <QuestPC>	Hi! Does anyone uses directory-path-based wikifarms? I mean, instead of en.mysite.com, de.mysite.com, ru.mysite.com (which is simple) I'm trying to separate wikihosts as mysite.com/en mysite.com/de mysite.com/ru with mod_rewrite and having troubles with it (rewrite rule seems to be correct, but GetLocalUrl sometimes returns root urls instead of /en/* /de/* /ru./*.
[07:31:39] <werdnum>	I have that set up.
[07:31:58] <QuestPC>	werdnum: Can you give a link to some sample, please?
[07:32:00] <werdnum>	Check $wgArticlePath, $wgScriptPath
[07:32:05] <werdnum>	Make sure you're setting those correctly.
[07:33:14] <QuestPC>	werdnum: yes, I do set both of these. $wgScriptPath via directory symlink. to me it seems that Title::getLocalURL not always uses these vars with building a link :-(
[07:33:39] <werdnum>	What types of links?
[07:34:03] <QuestPC>	QuestPC: take a toolbox: Special pages set OK, but Printable version points to /index.php (to root) instead ot /en /de /ru accordingly
[07:34:30] <werdnum>	$wgScriptPath isn't set correctly.
[07:34:44] <werdnum>	I bet edit links don't work either.
[07:35:17] <QuestPC>	werdnum: yes, edit links too, but I set these in LocalSettings.php for sure. it's just my LocalSettings.php is heavily modified.
[07:35:30] <QuestPC>	werdnum: ok, I'll check out again.
[07:49:00] <QuestPC>	werdnum: yes, silly me I've set $wgScriptPath but forgot to comment out default generated $wgScriptPath="" in another place.
[07:49:46] <werdnum>	:)
[07:58:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) One sees a page as it appeared BEFORE an edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5311  (10tstarling)
[07:59:05] <TimStarling>	replication sucks
[07:59:17] <TimStarling>	let's just send all our queries to the master
[08:02:52] <werdnum>	TimStarling: I wonder if we could add some (probably abusable) special case to the edit code so that that pageload always happens from themaster
[08:03:04] <TimStarling>	sure, easy enough
[08:03:14] <TimStarling>	it still doesn't fix the problem
[08:03:34] <TimStarling>	that being that replication is useless
[08:04:47] <TimStarling>	anywhere where it is used, there will be similar bugs
[08:05:12] <TimStarling>	ChronologyProtector is broken
[08:06:04] <TimStarling>	well, it will protect chronology, as its name suggests, but it takes a huge toll on responsiveness
[08:06:56] <TimStarling>	you may as well just wait for the slave to catch up to the time of the start of the request, it'd be about as effective
[08:07:37] <werdnum>	I don't know how ChronologyProtector works.
[08:08:06] <CrushKingX>	anyone here know where i can find some help with Geshi?
[08:09:55] <TimStarling>	every time you do a request, it saves the master position to the session
[08:10:00] <TimStarling>	at the end of the request
[08:10:27] <TimStarling>	then at the start of the request, when you open a connection to a slave, it will wait for that slave to catch up to the position specified in the session
[08:10:45] <TimStarling>	the aim is to make sure that events as the user sees them occur in chronological order
[08:11:01] <werdnum>	huh. So why does that bug occur, then?
[08:11:05] <TimStarling>	so first they save, then they see the article in the state post-save
[08:11:44] <TimStarling>	it doesn't, when it's enabled, but it was disabled
[08:12:03] <werdnum>	oh, right.
[08:12:31] <TimStarling>	the problem is that it introduces a delay for the user equivalent to the slave lag
[08:12:46] <TimStarling>	the user will see this delay very regularly
[08:13:14] <werdnum>	hmm, as opposed to finding a DB server with a lag less than that slave lag?
[08:13:19] <TimStarling>	for instance, if you load a page, then load the CSS from action=raw, you get a delay for action=raw
[08:13:56] <TimStarling>	usually all the servers lag by about the same amount
[08:16:17] <TimStarling>	the problem is that some requests can tolerate a delay and some can't
[08:16:41] <TimStarling>	but without a schema designed around replication, and a few extra features in MySQL, there's no way to tell which is which
[08:19:21] <TimStarling>	maybe it's easier to guarantee perfect freshness, rather than just ordering like what ChronologyProtector tries to do
[08:21:35] <TimStarling>	alright, so what's the stopgap solution?
[08:21:35] <TimStarling>	use the master in Article.php?
[08:22:59] <TimStarling>				$dbr = wfGetDB( DB_MASTER );
[08:22:59] <TimStarling>				$data = $this->pageDataFromId( $dbr, $this->getId() );
[08:23:19] <TimStarling>	see what that does? it loads the page_id from the slave, then uses it in a query to the master
[08:23:42] <TimStarling>	so if the page was recently moved, it will fetch the page data for the wrong page
[08:28:29] <TimStarling>	this is old code, with old bugs
[08:29:32] *werdnum 	is not really here, about to go to bed.
[08:30:23] <werdnum>	You could set a session variable for a page saying whether it's just been edited by that user.
[08:30:29] <werdnum>	Then if that session var is set, use the master.
[08:32:30] <werdnum>	Whoa, somebody commented on a revision in the 17000s
[08:32:31] <werdnum>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/17935#c1774
[08:32:52] <Marybelle>	:-)
[08:33:08] <werdnum>	to correct my commit message
[08:33:18] <Elvis>	lol
[08:33:19] <TimStarling>	bit late for that
[08:33:21] <werdnum>	THANKS I'LL GO CHANGE THAT NOW
[08:34:06] <Marybelle>	I can't tell if you're being sarcastic.
[08:34:12] <TimStarling>	maybe he's reviewing every change ever starting with revision 1
[08:34:55] <werdnum>	It's some random guy, too.
[08:35:20] <TimStarling>	and already through 18000 revisions
[08:35:35] <werdnum>	Man, if he's that good, we should put him on code review of recent stuff.
[08:35:38] <Marybelle>	Is the code still wrong?
[08:35:46] <werdnum>	It'll be awesome, we'll have a code update every day.
[08:35:50] <werdnum>	Marybelle: It was the *commit message*
[08:36:20] <Marybelle>	Release notes too, it looks like.
[08:37:15] *werdnum 	shrugs.
[08:37:46] <werdnum>	+* (bug 6295) Add a "revision patching" functionality, where an edit can be undone
[08:37:49] <werdnum>	no? :)
[08:37:57] <werdnum>	Just missed the 5 in the commit message.
[08:38:21] <werdnum>	anyway, bed thyme for me, I didn't get much sleep last night thanks to a certain mozilla UI developer.
[09:06:34] <tonisius>	How do I form a link to User:username from an article?  http://wiki.legendro.net/index.php/Staff_Listing  <-- trying to get it to point to User's local space.
[09:07:20] <Laaknor>	[[User:username|username]] links to User:username, and displays just username
[09:07:25] <tonisius>	http://wiki.legendro.net/index.php/User:CuteBoi  <-- it exists, yet when I try to link to it using: *[[User:Cuteboi|User:Cuteboi]]  it never goes anywhere
[09:07:45] <tonisius>	Laaknor: it comes up as red still
[09:08:14] <Marybelle>	toniher: Capital B.
[09:08:20] <Marybelle>	Links are case sensitive mostly.
[09:08:35] <tonisius>	case sensitive
[09:08:39] <tonisius>	damn, sorry about that
[09:08:46] <Marybelle>	No worries.
[09:08:52] <Laaknor>	first letter is insensitive, the rest are sensitive
[09:08:56] <tonisius>	spent the last 30 minutes trying to figure that one out
[09:09:03] <Marybelle>	Laaknor: Usually. ;-)
[09:09:11] <Marybelle>	Sites like Wiktionary are a bit different.
[09:15:37] <TimStarling>	I set up a permanently lagged (non-replicating) mysql instance as a slave to see what would happen
[09:15:50] <TimStarling>	it's kind of scary
[09:15:56] <domas>	for what?
[09:16:18] <TimStarling>	mediawiki is full of bugs that happen when slaves lag
[09:16:35] <TimStarling>	like 5311
[09:17:42] <domas>	I don't believe in that one
[09:17:53] <domas>	depends on how much they lag I guess
[09:17:56] <TimStarling>	it's worse than that
[09:17:59] <domas>	but we resolve few second lags quite well
[09:18:23] <TimStarling>	by waiting a few seconds at the start of every request?
[09:18:29] <domas>	mhm
[09:18:36] <domas>	not every
[09:18:38] <domas>	only for that user
[09:18:47] <domas>	only after change happens!
[09:18:49] <TimStarling>	well, I have that disabled and it's easily reproducible
[09:19:08] <domas>	ghm
[09:19:09] <TimStarling>	when you create a page, it just takes you back to the action=view and claims the page doesn't exist
[09:19:19] <TimStarling>	and then if you click edit, it shows an empty edit box!
[09:19:20] <domas>	disabled what? disabled why?
[09:19:25] <TimStarling>	then you can create it again
[09:19:42] <domas>	hehe
[09:19:42] <TimStarling>	ChronologyProtector
[09:19:51] <domas>	oh, it has a name now 
[09:19:55] <domas>	=)
[09:20:05] <TimStarling>	yes, I split it out so that you can plug in one that works if you want
[09:20:17] <domas>	right
[09:20:19] <TimStarling>	you just have to write one first
[09:20:52] <domas>	of course it is easy to reproduce problems, once you disable fixes for them! :)
[09:21:53] <TimStarling>	ChronologyProtector was disabled on wikimedia for a while because I disabled it when a master went down
[09:22:01] <TimStarling>	and every request was waiting for a 30 second timeout
[09:22:17] <TimStarling>	and then I forgot to re-enable it when I fixed the master
[09:22:21] <domas>	mhm
[09:22:29] <domas>	when was that?
[09:23:16] <TimStarling>	October 12
[09:23:31] <domas>	ghm
[09:24:21] <domas>	ah, right %)
[09:24:23] <domas>	classic 
[09:24:28] <Nikerabbit>	hi Duesentrieb_
[09:27:06] <TimStarling>	when it loads text, it's right, because Revision.php guarantees current data
[09:27:36] <TimStarling>	so it'll show you the current text, but the wrong history
[09:27:45] <TimStarling>	and the wrong recentchanges, and the wrong user contributions
[09:28:36] <TimStarling>	when a page is missing on the slave, there seems to be no way to get it to display the content
[09:29:25] <Duesentrieb_>	hi all
[09:29:43] <TimStarling>	hi
[09:30:38] <TimStarling>	page moves are as I thought, it loads the page_id from the slave and the rest from the master
[09:31:37] <TimStarling>	so it shows you the old page as if the move wasn't done
[09:31:45] <TimStarling>	except in the edit box, there it shows you the redirect
[09:32:23] <TimStarling>	maybe mediawiki needs disconnected operation
[09:32:30] <Marybelle>	Disconnected how?
[09:32:31] <TimStarling>	then we can treat slaves as disconnected copies
[09:32:54] <TimStarling>	disconnected like coda or git
[09:33:11] <Marybelle>	That seems difficult to implement and prone to breakage.
[09:33:46] <TimStarling>	well, I'm not serious about doing it obviously
[09:34:18] <TimStarling>	just trying to make a point about how what sort of handling replication needs if it's going to present a consistent picture to the user
[09:35:00] <tonisius>	slaves? masters?
[09:35:07] <tonisius>	can someone link me to something I can read about such things?
[09:35:33] <TimStarling>	tonisius: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery
[09:35:46] <tonisius>	Figured
[09:35:48] <tonisius>	thanks
[09:35:51] <tonisius>	*sigh*
[09:35:54] <Duesentrieb_>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master-slave_(computers)
[09:36:04] <Marybelle>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MySQL_Cluster
[09:36:11] <Duesentrieb_>	sorry for the spoiler :)
[09:36:22] <TimStarling>	http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/4.1/en/replication.html
[09:36:30] <Marybelle>	TimStarling: What's the problem with not using the slaves again after a save?
[09:36:33] <Splarka>	okay, who lent Tim a sense of humor? you know he's dangerous with one
[09:36:41] <tonisius>	Marybelle: I thought it may have been the mysql clustering, but the context was about media wiki, not the backend
[09:37:03] <Marybelle>	MediaWiki runs on rainbows and cupcakes.
[09:37:31] <TimStarling>	Marybelle: you mean for anything?
[09:37:40] <TimStarling>	for how long?
[09:37:51] <Marybelle>	Until the user navigates to a different page?
[09:38:01] <TimStarling>	so for one request?
[09:38:12] <TimStarling>	if that request is action=view?
[09:38:18] <Marybelle>	Yes. That's the issue in this case, right? One request (post-save).
[09:38:32] <TimStarling>	well, it's a nice little special case, but I think it would leave a lot of bugs unfixed
[09:39:06] <Marybelle>	I've only ever seen that bug present after saving a page or after creating one. Both &action=view. You think there are other bugs?
[09:39:44] <flyingparchment>	what if the user saves the page, opens a new one in a tab, and that request counts as the master request, then they load the page they edited and it comes from the lagged slave?
[09:39:46] <TimStarling>	yes, lots of bugs, replication + chron prot failure = bugs
[09:40:40] <TimStarling>	the way to fix this particular bug, where new pages aren't shown, is to load the page row from the master
[09:40:41] <TimStarling>	for all page views
[09:40:43] <TimStarling>	since it's already done by Revision.php, it shouldn't cause any extra load, if the query can be shared
[09:41:55] <CIA-60>	03daniel * r47356 10/trunk/extensions/Gadgets/Gadgets.php: fix inversed test in short-cirquit condition
[09:43:22] <Nikerabbit>	whot
[09:43:31] <Nikerabbit>	Duesentrieb_: nice
[09:43:40] <Duesentrieb_>	:P
[09:57:33] <TimStarling>	ok, here's a bug even with chron prot working: red links will be saved into the parser cache
[09:57:43] <TimStarling>	for pages that exist
[10:09:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Formatting error in "preferences" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17482  (10FT2.wiki)
[10:11:25] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Formatting error in "preferences" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17482  (10siebrand)
[10:16:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Single Namespace is hidden - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17504  (10dasch_87)
[10:17:15] <Bluegoblin7>	hey, what would people reccommend more? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CorporateContact or http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ContactPage ?
[10:20:05] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r47357 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: Follow up r47335: Adding to RELEASE NOTES as the bug reporter confirmed that it fixed the bug.
[10:26:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) hyphen-minus is unreadable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16213  (10krixel)
[10:30:32] <p858snake>	well since one is stable and one is beta....
[10:37:11] <alpaka>	how do I find out the version of my mediawiki installaiton?
[10:42:18] <Raymond_afk>	!version @ alpaka 
[10:42:18] --mwbot--	To find out the version of your MediaWiki installation, visit the page Special:Version. Should the wiki be broken, but you have access to the program files, find $wgVersion in DefaultSettings.php.
[10:42:31] <flyingparchment>	|, not @, i think
[10:42:45] <Raymond_afk>	grmbl yes...
[10:42:45] <alpaka>	Raymond_afk: thank you
[10:50:17] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Error when moving with suppressed redirect - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17530 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: wikibugs; (Ahonc.ua)
[11:05:30] <CrushKingX>	anyone here know where i can find some help with Geshi?
[11:07:36] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add subpage feature to the article namespace on nowikimedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17531 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (H92.wikipedia)
[11:07:48] <Marybelle>	!ask | CrushKingX 
[11:07:48] --mwbot--	CrushKingX: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[11:08:03] <Marybelle>	Or try Googling.
[11:08:28] <Marybelle>	Or reading the extension description page...
[11:27:57] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Error when moving with suppressed redirect - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17530  +comment (10danny.leinad)
[11:28:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New pages log doesn't remove/update item after suppression redirect - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17463  +comment (10danny.leinad)
[11:40:19] <CrushKingX>	I installed genshi 1.0.8.2 and everything works except for the enclose, and i cant make it work, any one ever encountered a thing like that?
[11:41:05] <Nikerabbit>	what's wrong with it+
[11:41:44] <CrushKingX>	it doesnt enclose :S
[11:41:58] <CrushKingX>	not blie (ivory) cubicle around the code 
[11:42:26] <CrushKingX>	i tried to set the header tag to pre but it doest work (i still dont get the cubicle)
[11:43:17] <gEn`>	'lo
[11:43:47] <CrushKingX>	hey gen
[11:43:51] <gEn`>	hey
[11:43:56] <Nikerabbit>	the problem with pre is that it breaks div-enclose
[11:44:14] <gEn`>	anyone willing to help with SMW ?
[11:44:21] <CrushKingX>	i didnt use <pre><source>...</source></pre>
[11:44:44] <CrushKingX>	i did that : $geshi->set_header_type(GESHI_HEADER_PRE); 
[11:46:03] <CrushKingX>	in firebug i saw that the line setting a border and backgrounds are crossed over, and i can't find why 
[11:47:20] <Nikerabbit>	it overrides them
[11:47:43] <gEn`>	(answer: probably 'no')
[11:47:45] <CrushKingX>	something overrides the genshi 
[11:48:16] <CrushKingX>	any idea how i can find what? and how i can resolve this? 
[11:48:22] <Splarka>	!semantic | gEn`
[11:48:22] --mwbot--	gEn`: Not many people here use Semantic Mediawiki. You might try #semanticmediawiki (also see !hesaidsemantic ).
[11:48:40] <gEn`>	dear little bot
[11:48:52] <gEn`>	I am already there and nobody is "awake" there :)
[11:50:08] <Splarka>	CrushKingX: people have asked before, and the problem I've seen is.. that the version WMF uses doesn't seem to be the same everyone installs..
[11:50:57] <gEn`>	I have a -possibly stupid- problem on a propery which is a list of values.... not sure on how this is handled
[11:51:09] <gEn`>	s/propery/property/
[11:51:19] <Splarka>	on WMF, if you use "line" tag parameter, the <pre> is suppressed, and if not, the <pre> is used as the default..  on other people's copies, if you use line, the <pre> is used for each line so each individual border has to be suppressed, but it is also incorrectly done for the main <pre> too
[11:52:36] <Splarka>	so for example if you do a <source lang="html4strict" line start=1 >, the inline <style> does: .source-html4strict li, .source-html4strict pre {line-height: normal; border: 0px none white;} which kills the <pre> borders that are descendents of that class div..
[11:52:54] <gEn`>	!hesaidsemantic
[11:52:54] --mwbot--	http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/576/hesaidsemanticga2.jpg
[11:53:10] <Splarka>	otherwise you get an ugly <pre> border around every line
[11:53:30] <gEn`>	(semantic rocks the world)
[11:53:44] <CrushKingX>	ok 
[11:53:58] <Splarka>	CrushKingX: if you have a minute to experiment..
[11:54:06] <CrushKingX>	i have about 2 hours :)
[11:54:13] <CrushKingX>	then ill get kicked out of the office :P
[11:54:24] *Splarka 	waits for page to respond
[11:54:40] <CrushKingX>	also im on a shaky internet so if ill die suddenly dont worry ill be right back :P
[11:55:44] <Splarka>	<source lang="javascript" line>//comment</source>
[11:55:44] <Splarka>	<source lang="javascript">//comment</source>
[11:56:00] <Splarka>	try those in a preview, and pastebin ( http://p.defau.lt/new.html ) the html result 
[11:56:24] <Splarka>	not the whole page source, but like: http://p.defau.lt/?pQV1a_YBaW6jk5g1T5WHvQ
[11:56:38] <CrushKingX>	Splarka: ok gimme a couple of min my network doesnt connected to the internet 
[11:59:00] <Nikerabbit>	so...
[11:59:04] <Nikerabbit>	any idea how to fix this?
[11:59:14] <Splarka>	waiting for his html 
[12:00:00] <CrushKingX>	working on it 
[12:00:01] <CrushKingX>	one sec
[12:03:20] <CrushKingX>	Splarka: http://pastebin.com/m48f1a0cf 
[12:03:45] *CrushKingX 	copy machine
[12:03:52] *CrushKingX 	is a copy machine
[12:04:05] <CrushKingX>	its all in 1 line 
[12:04:45] <Splarka>	right, which of the two lines I pasted produces that? did you try both?
[12:05:22] <CrushKingX>	oh this is the second one
[12:05:24] <CrushKingX>	one sec 
[12:06:00] <CrushKingX>	btw line doesnt give numbers for me it gives * O_O
[12:06:21] <Splarka>	okay, hang on, I'll set up a more thorough example
[12:06:55] <CrushKingX>	want me to copy the one with the line as well?
[12:07:05] <Splarka>	no... do this...
[12:07:26] <Splarka>	http://p.defau.lt/?lTOujC3VPYAN3ZzU82JyNA
[12:08:49] <Nikerabbit>	someone might want to test http://translatewiki.net/sandwiki/extensions/geshi.patch.txt
[12:09:30] <Splarka>	Niker: first thing I am trying to do is determine exactly what is different about non-WMF geshi and WMF geshi, it seems to be using the same extension as is on svn, and there is no special configuration I can find anywhere..
[12:09:59] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: wmf geshi is dino-old and does not support geshi_enclose_pre_valid
[12:10:30] <Splarka>	right, but everybody wants theirs to look like it
[12:10:39] <Splarka>	and also... hmm
[12:10:42] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Version
[12:10:50] <Splarka>	> SyntaxHighlight (Version r41349)
[12:11:00] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: that's not the version of geshi
[12:11:30] <Splarka>	yes, but.. is that the revision in SVN that that extension is scap'd to?
[12:11:40] <Splarka>	eg, 4 months ago?
[12:11:54] <CrushKingX>	ok going to copy this in a sec 
[12:12:10] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: no idea
[12:12:23] <Splarka>	if so, then it isn't that old, and it seems to be from the svn...
[12:12:52] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: but geshi != geshi syntax highlight
[12:13:00] <ialex>	Splarka: the revision displayed is the last rev in which the file was changed
[12:13:37] <Splarka>	ahh k
[12:13:56] *Splarka 	still waits for CrushKingX, as it should be clear then
[12:15:08] <mkpaa>	is there a plugin for showing latest changes in named category(s) on page?
[12:18:49] <CrushKingX>	i am sorry i manually copy this stuff :S
[12:19:19] <Splarka>	can't cut-paste?
[12:19:23] <Splarka>	oh, right, no connection
[12:21:18] <CrushKingX>	http://pastebin.com/m637b2480
[12:21:26] <CrushKingX>	yeah sorry for that :\ 
[12:21:42] <CrushKingX>	but trust me its not fun copying everything manually as i am doing now :S
[12:21:59] *CrushKingX 	my fingers hurt :S
[12:22:17] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r47358 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/updaters.inc: Added a comment that change_tag and related tables are in 1.15 and not 1.14
[12:23:34] <Splarka>	okay...
[12:25:14] <CrushKingX>	Splarka: a penny for your thoughts? O_o
[12:25:31] <Splarka>	in the old version on WMF, "line" creates div/div/ol/li/div{stuff}
[12:25:47] <Splarka>	but in your version it creates div/div/ol/li/pre{stuff}
[12:26:03] <Splarka>	in the latter version, it is then necessary to suppress the <pre> borders, if you didn't, it would look amazingly ugly
[12:26:23] <CrushKingX>	ok how can i suppress the borders?
[12:26:28] <Splarka>	as you have a separate <pre> for each line
[12:26:44] <Splarka>	<CrushKingX> in firebug i saw that the line setting a border and backgrounds are crossed over
[12:26:50] <Splarka>	^ that is why they are crossed out
[12:27:07] <CrushKingX>	:\
[12:27:16] <Splarka>	now...
[12:27:24] <CrushKingX>	how can i fix it?
[12:27:45] <Splarka>	hang on, patience
[12:28:25] <Splarka>	with no parameters... you get div/div/pre (single pre).. while wmf gets div/pre
[12:28:29] <Splarka>	the difference is...
[12:28:42] <Splarka>	<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;"> <div class="javascript source-javascript" style="font-family:monospace;"> <pre class="de1">
[12:28:51] <Splarka>	vs <div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;"><pre class="source-javascript">
[12:29:03] <Splarka>	with:
[12:29:07] <Splarka>	.source-javascript li, .source-javascript pre { line-height: normal; border: 0px none white; }
[12:29:26] <Splarka>	notice the class "source-javascript" is on the <pre> in WMF's ancient version
[12:29:37] <CrushKingX>	yeah i noticed 
[12:29:39] <Splarka>	but the border is only removed from descendant <pre> of the object with that class
[12:29:49] <Splarka>	this leads me to conclude, the border appearing is a bug
[12:29:52] <Splarka>	that was later fixed
[12:30:05] <Splarka>	Nikerabbit/ialex, thoughts?
[12:30:26] <Splarka>	there is no easy "fix" for this either
[12:30:30] <CrushKingX>	the border was a bug... lol i want that bug back :P
[12:30:44] <Splarka>	you can't force all source <pre> to have borders, it will horribly break with "lines"
[12:30:50] <CrushKingX>	or as we all say its not a bug its a feature :P
[12:30:52] <Nikerabbit>	huh?
[12:31:28] <Splarka>	and there is no easy way to say "all <source> generated pre need borders", they have nothing in common really
[12:31:38] <Nikerabbit>	mw should stop styling plain pre
[12:31:58] <Splarka>	the outermost <div> only has a dir and text-align
[12:32:04] <Splarka>	the inner div only has: div class="javascript source-javascript"
[12:32:09] <Splarka>	those two classes are kinda stupid
[12:32:16] <Splarka>	it should be "source source-javascript" or something
[12:32:46] <Splarka>	you'd have to ennumerate all classes like: div.source-javascript, div.source-php, ... {border:etc}
[12:33:15] <Splarka>	note this is an open bug: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11274
[12:33:42] <Splarka>	as for the border... sigh
[12:34:11] <Splarka>	CrushKingX: as far as I can see, it is intentionally suppressed, you should spank GESHI for this
[12:34:41] <CrushKingX>	im going to kill them O_O its 2 days spent 
[12:34:53] <CrushKingX>	my commander really liked the highlighting but he wants the borders more 
[12:35:00] <Nikerabbit>	splarka...
[12:35:01] <Splarka>	sheesh
[12:35:04] <Splarka>	well, it is buggy in WMF
[12:35:12] <Nikerabbit>	the extension does that, not geshi
[12:35:15] <Splarka>	Nikerabbit: talk me down, do, but as far as I can see, they do it intentionally
[12:35:21] <Splarka>	arr
[12:35:28] <Splarka>	then why the inconsistent behavior?
[12:35:32] <Nikerabbit>	and that was me
[12:35:49] <Nikerabbit>	but it is long time since i hacked that code
[12:35:50] <GerardM->	what is geshi ?
[12:36:07] <Splarka>	Nikerabbit: <div class="javascript source-javascript" style="font-family:monospace;"><pre class="de1">
[12:36:10] <Splarka>	old version was: <pre class="source-javascript">
[12:36:12] <Splarka>	did you do that?
[12:36:14] <CrushKingX>	GerardM-: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi
[12:36:27] <Nikerabbit>	no i dont think so
[12:36:29] <Splarka>	WMF is using the trunk version of Geshi
[12:36:34] <Splarka>	but gets a completely different result
[12:36:43] <Splarka>	so it has to be the module rather than the extension, no?
[12:36:43] <Nikerabbit>	are you sure?
[12:36:47] <Splarka>	nope, not at all
[12:36:51] <Splarka>	that's why I'm asking you
[12:37:03] <Splarka>	but...
[12:37:17] <Nikerabbit>	..that they are running trunk geshi?
[12:37:53] <Splarka>	trunk extension or trunk geshi?
[12:38:00] <CrushKingX>	Splarka\Nikerabbit: also when ever i user the <source lang="javascript" line start=1> .... </source> instead of numbers i get * or dots of some sort 
[12:38:05] <Nikerabbit>	trunk geshi
[12:38:05] <Splarka>	and wmf or Crush?
[12:38:29] <adrian15>	Hi all. I am trying to move my existing wikimedia installation to another host and I have some problems. I have already moved the database contents. I am trying to read: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading Alternative 2: Re-run the installer. But I do not understand how I am supposed to run it... what url should I visit? Currently all the php files show blank pages.
[12:38:38] <Nikerabbit>	wmf
[12:39:00] <Splarka>	must be an old version
[12:39:03] <Splarka>	Nikerabbit: http://p.defau.lt/?WVBB1Rcu2nEOEms07VYDLQ
[12:39:21] <Splarka>	whatever WMF uses, puts the class on the pre, instead of the div, and nobody else I've ever seen use Geshi does this
[12:39:22] <Nikerabbit>	i'm on a phone, no links
[12:39:44] <Splarka>	okay.. tiny bit of spam: <source lang="javascript" enclose="pre"></source>
[12:39:52] <Splarka>	WMF: <div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;"><pre class="source-javascript">
[12:40:08] <Splarka>	everyone else: <div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;"><div class="javascript source-javascript" style="font-family:monospace;"><pre class="de1">
[12:40:23] <Splarka>	the CSS for both is the same, but has no affect on WMF's version, so the border shows
[12:40:42] <Splarka>	and as far as I can tell, that seems to not have been the intention... however...
[12:41:04] <Splarka>	it may be a side-effect of the "line" version moving to a separate <pre> on each line, which of course has to have the border suppressed
[12:41:21] <Splarka>	but oddly enough the CSS didn't change, so either it was anticipated or the border was never supposed to show
[12:41:27] <Nikerabbit>	hmm
[12:41:50] <Nikerabbit>	there is thing that forces div mode when using old version of geshi
[12:41:51] <Splarka>	(the WMF "line" version uses no per-line <pre> so it makes no sense to suppress borders, AFAIKT)
[12:41:57] <Splarka>	ahh, that might be it
[12:42:01] <Nikerabbit>	other than that, i dont know
[12:42:06] <Splarka>	anyway, there is no fix
[12:42:23] <Splarka>	other than to make the extension output something useful, like <div class="source"> wrapper
[12:42:37] <Nikerabbit>	yeah
[12:42:42] <Splarka>	and then div.source pre {FORCE BORDER} and div.source li pre {KILL IT AGAIN}
[12:43:11] <Splarka>	CrushKingX: there is one thing you can do, but you won't like it
[12:43:28] <CrushKingX>	Splarka: im ready... 
[12:43:41] <CrushKingX>	Splarka: Downgrade genshi?
[12:44:21] <Splarka>	nope
[12:44:24] <Splarka>	manually do a border...
[12:44:28] *Splarka 	copies the css from main
[12:44:44] <Splarka>	hmm
[12:44:50] <Splarka>	<div style="padding: 1em; border: 1px dashed #2f6fab; background-color: #f9f9f9; line-height: 1.1em;"><source lang="javascript" line>//comment</source></div>
[12:44:53] <Splarka>	or
[12:45:19] <Splarka>	<div style="bordered-source">  and define div.border-source {} in MediaWiki:Common.css
[12:45:35] <Splarka>	sucky eh
[12:45:41] <CrushKingX>	yeah 
[12:46:11] <Splarka>	Nikerabbit: since you're the last geshi editor, can you add a wrapper <div> or modify the outermost existing boring div "div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;">" to include such a class?
[12:46:18] <CrushKingX>	well im using FCKEditor and i need to create a new special tags for source SO i guess ill add the upper part to the special tags so it all comes built in and the users wont have to see this
[12:46:20] *Splarka 	would bribe with cookies
[12:46:45] <Splarka>	(in the extension of course, not the module)
[12:47:12] <CrushKingX>	oh ok 
[12:47:56] <Splarka>	oh, that was directed at Nike
[12:48:09] <Splarka>	my suggestion to you ended at "sucky eh" heh
[12:48:43] <proppy>	Hi, when using http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgForeignFileRepos I get the following error: convert: unable to open image `/var/www/mediawiki/images/e/e7/Mosque02.svg': No such file or directory.
[12:48:48] <proppy>	does anyone as a clue ?
[12:48:54] <CrushKingX>	oh lol 
[12:53:47] <CrushKingX>	Splarka: you first solution added a border around the code but left the numbers out, which btw thanks to that appeard! before that as i said they were dots :P
[12:56:21] <Splarka>	odd
[12:56:24] <CrushKingX>	Splarka: Thank you very much :) now ill just add it all to the special tags in FCKEditor and the users should be ok... i hope... 
[12:56:30] <Splarka>	you show <ol> so there musta been something suppressing it
[12:56:41] <CrushKingX>	yup 
[12:56:58] <CrushKingX>	and i didnt see it crossed over so no idea what could suppres it 
[13:01:22] <MrZammler>	hi, this might be a bit odd, but is there by any chance any skin that doesn't use CSS? looking to set up something that is going to be visible by non-css browsers
[13:03:23] <Splarka>	MrZammler: the problem is the non-skin stuff that needs styling, like the table of contents, edit sections, and special pages
[13:03:44] <MrZammler>	Splarka, thanks. Thought of that, yes...
[13:04:03] <Splarka>	but 'myskin' is the least styled
[13:04:12] <Splarka>	see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Catalogue_of_CSS_classes
[13:04:23] <MrZammler>	ah, great, will do
[13:04:37] <Splarka>	it loads shared.css, commonPrint.css, IEFixes.js...
[13:05:07] <Splarka>	and the on-site files MediaWiki:Common.css, :Print.css, :Handheld.css, and :Myskin.css
[13:05:10] <MrZammler>	hmm, yep, lots of stuff...
[13:05:21] <Splarka>	as well as stuff like user/myskin.css, user preferences css, etc
[13:05:41] <Splarka>	even if you made your own totally css-free skin, some things put CSS inline
[13:05:56] <Splarka>	like diff.css (though that might be a <link> now)
[13:06:00] <MrZammler>	I see...
[13:06:22] <MrZammler>	We were looking at something to take www.amiga-hardware.com to... ;-)
[13:06:26] <CrushKingX>	well Splarka Thank You very much for your help :)
[13:06:29] <Splarka>	rar
[13:06:36] <MrZammler>	indeed :-)
[13:06:58] <MrZammler>	mediawiki is great for such information, but sadly old amiga browsers do not render css....
[13:06:59] <Splarka>	MrZammler: well, you may want to just copy Myskin.php and start stripping things from it, including the shared.css
[13:07:07] <Splarka>	and see what happens
[13:07:22] <MrZammler>	sounds like a plan, many thanks
[13:07:23] <Splarka>	and suppress things like the table of contents, and edit sections, that look ugly without any styling
[13:27:54] <Shawn>	In Chinese Wikipedia, the discussions about open of rollback right and patrol right are in progress. Some suggested that the rights can be granted by system and admin at the same time. I'd like to know, is this possible?
[13:28:15] <Shawn>	His idea is that, set two set of requirements, one for auto-promotion (system), one for by hand (admin). When an user met the higher requirement, the right will be granted by system automatically. Or before he met these requirements, he can make an applications, and admin can consider whether or not. I would like to know, practically, is it possible to run this out ?
[13:54:00] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Protection log entry disappears mysteriously from page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17532 normal; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (chenzhengwei2002)
[13:56:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Integration with FCK editor fails in IE (free text field) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15877  (10yaron57)
[14:02:34] <CIA-60>	03tstarling * r47359 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Revision.php: In Revision::newFromTitle(): don't do a query with WHERE rev_id='' when the page doesn't exist
[14:06:57] <CIA-60>	03tstarling * r47360 10/trunk/phase3/includes/db/ (Database.php LBFactory.php LoadBalancer.php): 
[14:06:57] <CIA-60>	* Skip COMMIT query when no write queries have been done.
[14:06:57] <CIA-60>	* Improvement to ChronologyProtector: only record the master position if a write
[14:06:57] <CIA-60>	query was done. This should help to avoid the worst of the ChronologyProtector
[14:06:58] <CIA-60>	side-effects, such as having action=raw CSS requests block for a time equivalent
[14:07:00] <CIA-60>	to the slave lag on every page view, while maintaining the benefits, like
[14:07:02] <CIA-60>	preventing a 404 from being displayed after page creation.
[14:23:12] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) username with space fails in user rights management page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17533 major; normal; MediaWiki: User login/settings; (axelseaa)
[14:33:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Protection log entry disappears mysteriously from page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17532  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[14:34:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) username with space fails in user rights management page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17533  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[14:43:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Protection log entry disappears mysteriously from page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17532  (10chenzhengwei2002)
[14:54:36] <Dynasource>	guys, I have APC installed and working fine, now I have Memcache installed too...how do I set it together?
[14:57:38] <MinuteElectron>	why would you want that?
[14:58:08] <Dynasource>	to speed things up?
[14:58:28] <Dynasource>	on one single server?
[14:58:31] <MinuteElectron>	well, runnign them in tandem isn't going to speed anything up
[14:58:52] <MinuteElectron>	if you've just got a single server then just use APC, if you've got more than one use memcached but not apc
[14:59:01] <Dynasource>	hmm...than I have been dreaming then..
[14:59:11] <Dynasource>	thanx for you info
[14:59:15] <Simetrical>	No, you always want to use APC.
[14:59:27] <Simetrical>	But if you have multiple servers, you should only use it for system cache, not user cache.
[15:00:22] <Simetrical>	It's not even possible to use APC user cache and memcached at the same time, they're mutually exclusive.
[15:05:36] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r47361 10/trunk/phase3/includes/HTMLFileCache.php: Try to avoid file caching php fatals, it's very annoying
[15:07:19] <Dynasource>	thanx
[15:22:43] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: have a patch?
[15:23:16] <Splarka>	http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/9282/vennsy7.jpg
[15:25:58] <rainman-sr>	hehe :P
[15:26:11] <guillom>	:D
[15:36:30] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r47362 10/trunk/phase3/includes/MessageCache.php: Tweak for bug 11852. Made handling of message cache key normalisation more consistent.
[15:37:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Inconsistent handling of message cache key normalisation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11852  (10JSchulz_4587)
[15:38:21] <BFrank>	hmm, what would it take to change the default sort of search results in media wiki?
[15:38:25] <BFrank>	I want it to sort by last modified date
[15:46:40] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r47363 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/flaggedrevs.js: Minor unlocking fix
[15:56:08] <dmarkey>	hey, im having trouble with apache+fastcgi+mediawiki
[15:56:19] <dmarkey>	the front page works but i cant navigate to other pages
[16:04:13] <Elvis>	!wglogo
[16:04:13] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "wglogo". You might try: !logo 
[16:04:21] <Elvis>	!logo
[16:04:21] --mwbot--	The logo that appears in the top left of each page is determined by $wgLogo in the LocalSettings.php file. To change this you simply change the value of $wgLogo to point to the URL of your own logo. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgLogo> for more information. Be sure $wgLogo is set to an absolute path, starting with "/" (or a protocol "http:"/"https:"). If you are using pretty URLs a relative path will behave oddly.
[16:06:09] <sebastianPL>	Hi, I was wondering if it is possible to get e feed for just the new pages inside a category. Anbody an idea?
[16:06:31] <BFrank>	so is there anyway to modify the code to sort the search results, let's say by modification date?
[16:06:50] <BFrank>	heck, even searching within a category would be good too
[16:06:50] <Elvis>	!sef
[16:06:50] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "sef". You might try: !stringfunctions 
[16:06:55] <Elvis>	!seo
[16:06:55] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "seo".
[16:10:44] <Simetrical>	!botinfo | Elvis 
[16:10:44] --mwbot--	Elvis: I don't know everything about everything. I am mostly for lazy experienced users to echo quick answers to very common mediawiki questions. Please don't randomly experiment with me for help. Everything I know is at http://tools.wikimedia.de/~amidaniel/botbrain.html and you can visit #mwbot or privately message me.
[16:13:57] <CIA-60>	03kim * r47364 10/trunk/wikiation/installer/installer.py: Make the ls error message a whole lot more enlightening
[16:22:36] <CIA-60>	03kim * r47365 10/trunk/wikiation/installer/mediawiki_installer.py: a space and a quote were swapped, making it hard to use mysql
[16:25:32] <cerbero626>	Hi, I'having a slight database charset problem when upgrading my mediawiki installation from 1.4.11 to 1.13.4. The upgrade from 1.4.11 to 1.6.11 works fine and everything is displayed correctly, but after going to 1.13.4 all the umlauts (äöü) are broken. Any ideas?
[16:27:35] <cerbero626>	The ./maintenance/update1_5.php script failed, by the way.
[16:28:49] <twdsje>	Hey I have a wiki page here: http://www.framerage.com/wiki/index.php?title=Left_4_Dead and I'm working on making the text formatting for my skin to look a bit nicer and so forth.  So my problem is I'll have a section with tons of stuff under it and I don't want it to show up under the toc.
[16:28:58] <Duesentrieb_>	cerbero626: update1_5.php should not be used for general upgrading. it's geared towards a very specific setup.
[16:29:16] <twdsje>	So right now I'm just using the '''subheading'''   would you recommmond a better way of doing things?
[16:29:40] <Duesentrieb_>	cerbero626: upgrading from 1.4 involves manually converting from latin1 to utf8. this is described in the upgrade guide.
[16:30:39] <kraut>	moin
[16:30:43] <cerbero626>	Duesentrieb_:  In the update manual it said one was supposed to run update1_5.php to get from ISO8859-1 charset databases (pre 1.5) to utf8 - that's the way I understood it anywas.
[16:30:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CSS and JavaScript changes should take effect immediately (at least as a config option) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17524  +comment (10wilson.jim.r)
[16:31:31] <cerbero626>	Duesentrieb_: Hmm. ok - is there any manual on how i do this manually?
[16:32:41] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special pages not updated since 4 February 2009 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17534 normal; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (russblau)
[16:32:51] <cerbero626>	Duesentrieb_: I already tried some SQL statements like 'ALTER TABLE text CONVERT CHARSET UTF8;' or something along those lines.
[16:34:30] <cerbero626>	Duesentrieb_: The conversion went fine, but with or without that statement the result is garbled umlauts in 1.13.4
[16:35:07] <cerbero626>	Duesentrieb_: I Issued that on all the 1.4.11 tables, of course.
[16:35:26] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Database dump processes halted since 12-Feb-09 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17535 normal; normal; Wikimedia: Downloads; (russblau)
[16:38:47] <Duesentrieb_>	cerbero626: running that on the db is bound to screw things up pretty good. best go back to the backup, run that through iconv, and re-create the database from that.
[16:39:02] <Duesentrieb_>	cerbero626: hm, where does it say to use update1_5.php?
[16:41:12] <Duesentrieb_>	cerbero626: in your installation dir, there's a file called UPGRADING. it has a section called "Upgrading from pre-1.5 wikis". Follow that.
[16:41:23] <cerbero626>	Duesentrieb_: The stuff about update1_6.php is in a file called 'UPGRADE' or 'UPDATE' or so in the root dir of the freshly unpacked mediawiki...tar.gz
[16:41:55] <cerbero626>	Duesentrieb_: update1_6.php -> update1_5.php (typo)
[16:42:02] <Duesentrieb_>	cerbero626: sure it's an that file? it's not in my copy.
[16:42:34] <Duesentrieb_>	that file has the right instructions, using iconv, in the section i named.
[16:43:07] <Duesentrieb_>	cerbero626: oh wait, i see it. hrm...
[16:43:14] <Nikerabbit>	hi Duesentrieb_
[16:43:28] <Nikerabbit>	Duesentrieb_: how goes?
[16:43:41] <Duesentrieb_>	Nikerabbit: buisy... going home from the office soon.
[16:43:53] <Duesentrieb_>	cerbero626: hrm. well, i recommend the manual instructions.
[16:44:17] <Duesentrieb_>	i'm not sure why it says to try upgrade1_5 - it's generally recommended against.
[16:45:23] <cerbero626>	Duesentrieb_: its in a section 'Upgrading from pre-1.5 wikis' - "[...] Among other changes, note that Latin-1 encoding (ISO-8859-1) is no longer supported. Latin-1 wikis will need to be upgraded to UTF-8; an experimental command-line upgrade helper script, 'upgrade1_5.php', can do this -- run it prior to 'update.php' or the web upgrader."
[16:46:10] <cerbero626>	Duesentrieb_: ok - thanks - so I'll try to figure out the manual upgrade method.
[16:46:20] <Duesentrieb_>	cerbero626: yes, i found the sentence too (was confused by update vs upgrade - bah). 
[16:46:29] <Duesentrieb_>	i really thing that sentence should be removed.
[16:46:34] *Duesentrieb_ 	invokes brion
[16:46:44] <cerbero626>	Duesentrieb_: It confused me anyways ;)
[16:47:17] <cerbero626>	Duesentrieb_: Sry - I have to leave for an hour or so - thank you for the help so far.
[16:47:32] <Duesentrieb_>	basically, dump the db, run iconv on it, import it again, then point the installer at the existing db. choose the "compatibility" schema, not "utf-8" in the installer
[17:05:43] <CIA-60>	03kim * r47366 10/trunk/wikiation/installer/installers.py: 
[17:05:43] <CIA-60>	bugfix. Program was (unintentionally) re-using old
[17:05:43] <CIA-60>	Installer objects for new installations. Occaisionally data from an old
[17:05:43] <CIA-60>	installation would be used, instead of the defaults set by __init__.
[17:05:43] <CIA-60>	This would lead to the program uninstalling the wrong wiki.
[17:10:25] <Majorly>	question
[17:10:35] <Majorly>	is it possible to create a username with @ in it?
[17:12:40] <Wuzur|rhn>	Majorly: No, since the @ is used to identify Wikis in MediaWiki
[17:13:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) username with space fails in user rights management page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17533  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[17:17:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Transwiki import interwiki setup on Korean Wikiquote - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17516   +shell (10raimond.spekking)
[17:25:02] <solifugus>	In tables, how can I make a cell span multiple columns?
[17:25:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Watch rollbacks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4488  (10paul.copperman)
[17:26:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Watch rollbacks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4488   +need-review +patch (10paul.copperman)
[17:28:05] <ialex>	solifugus: colspan="2" | cell content
[17:29:28] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Protection log entry disappears mysteriously from page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17532  +comment (10paul.copperman)
[17:29:52] <Sadik_Khalid>	solifugus:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Tables#Combined_use_of_COLSPAN_and_ROWSPAN
[17:30:01] <solifugus>	ialex: tanx
[17:31:41] <BFrank>	so is there anyway to sort search results by modification date?
[17:35:56] <rainman-sr>	BFrank, not out of the box
[17:36:06] <BFrank>	rainman-sr: what would be the easiest way to change that?
[17:37:36] <Nikerabbit>	hi rainman-sr
[17:38:43] <rainman-sr>	hey Nike
[17:39:10] <rainman-sr>	BFrank, not sure offhand, but you could look at the mysql search query and see if it can be modified to sort by date
[17:39:34] <BFrank>	I was trying to find that, and was having difficulty
[17:40:07] <rainman-sr>	or you could try looking at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SphinxSearch
[17:40:20] <rainman-sr>	there might be a config switch that would do what you want
[17:40:24] <BFrank>	yeah, I thought about that, but I wanted to avoid adding extra stuff if I could
[17:45:40] <CIA-60>	03tparscal * r47367 10/trunk/extensions/CommunityVoice/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Changed caching scheme.
[17:52:55] *werdnum 	waves
[17:53:13] <rainman-sr>	BFrank, if you're using mysql, you would need to add date (last modified or creation?) to searchindex table and then redefining queryRanking() in SearchMySQL to something like 'ORDER BY si_date' or such
[17:53:35] <werdnum>	hey brion 
[17:53:45] <brion>	mornin all
[17:53:46] <werdnum>	brion: Good job you're working from home, the weather sux :(
[17:53:50] <brion>	:D
[17:53:57] <brion>	also got a cold over the weekend
[17:54:01] <werdnum>	:<
[17:54:03] <brion>	should be mostly recovered tomorrow
[17:54:03] <werdnum>	another?
[17:54:06] <brion>	srsly
[17:54:15] *rainman-sr 	also has flu
[17:54:22] <brion>	yay
[17:54:35] <brion>	http://flickr.com/photos/brionv/3266884957/
[17:54:52] *werdnum 	had his flu shot last year, and paid for it by spending like 4 hours in the doctor's 
[17:55:02] <rainman-sr>	hehe :)
[17:55:14] <werdnum>	brion: lawl
[17:57:51] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r47368 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (63 files): 
[17:57:51] <CIA-60>	Localisation updates for core from translatewiki.net
[17:57:51] <CIA-60>	* resolving a bug here and there with duplicate special page names in the same localisation
[17:57:51] <CIA-60>	* updates for namespaces, special page aliases, and magic words
[17:58:05] *werdnum 	eyes tomaszf 
[17:58:22] *tomaszf 	yawns and still has no idea what time it is
[17:58:45] <werdnum>	sigh
[18:00:47] <AaronSchulz>	brion: is code review starting?
[18:00:59] <izua>	How can I make this: {{#if:{{{eeprom|}}}|<tr><th>EEPROM</th><td>{{{eeprom|}}}</td></tr>}}
[18:01:16] <izua>	to be displayed if two conditions are met (let's say something else than eeprom has to be set, too?
[18:01:47] <izua>	I've tried {{{#expr eeprom| or smthelse|}}} but it wrecks it
[18:03:12] <izua>	also tried this: {{#ifexpr:{{{ram| or eeprom| or code|}}}|.. but I get Expression error: Unexpected or operator
[18:04:20] <werdnum>	izua: ifexpr:{{{ram|}}} or {{{eeprom|}}} or {{{code|}}}
[18:06:58] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r47369 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesCy.php: Fix syntax error
[18:07:01] <izua>	like this: {{#ifexpr:{{{ram|}}} or {{{eeprom|}}} or {{{code|}}} | something something}}
[18:07:17] <izua>	cause it keeps evaluating to false :)
[18:07:58] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r47370 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesPl.php: Fix syntax error
[18:08:00] <Simetrical>	werdnum, #expr uses non-zero numbers for true, not non-empty strings.
[18:08:08] <Simetrical>	That will cause a syntax error in most cases.
[18:09:55] <werdnum>	bah
[18:10:31] <Simetrical>	You need #ifeq, I think.
[18:11:01] <izua>	I don't want them to be identical
[18:11:09] <izua>	I have a header called "memory"
[18:11:30] <izua>	(inside an infobox). And that header should be displayed only if at least one memory item (eeprom, ram, progmem) exists
[18:13:08] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r47371 10/trunk/extensions/CommunityVoice/Resources/Icons/star.svg: Fixed bad property: svn:eol-style -> svn:mime-type image/svg+xml
[18:16:35] <Bluegoblin7>	hi all, i just svn upped my wiki, which maintenance script do i run?
[18:16:48] <Mr-Fine>	hi
[18:16:48] <MinuteElectron>	maintenance/update.php
[18:17:18] <Mr-Fine>	Is there any website like Alexa, that show visitor traffic of other websites with countries?
[18:17:38] <Mr-Fine>	I meant with country information^
[18:18:15] <Bluegoblin7>	MinuteElectron: thanks
[18:18:28] <werdnum>	TrevorParscal: http://www.downloadsquad.com/2009/02/17/userscript-makes-wikipedia-pages-look-more-encyclopedic/
[18:20:36] <izua>	..anyone?
[18:21:24] <MinuteElectron>	Does {{#if:{{{ram|}}}{{{eeprom|}}}{{{code|}}}|sometething}} not work?
[18:21:44] <Mr-Fine>	Is there any website like Alexa, that show visitor traffic of other websites with countries?
[18:22:28] <MinuteElectron>	!repeat | Mr-Fine 
[18:22:28] --mwbot--	Mr-Fine: Please do not repeat yourself too often. If little conversation has occurred since your last message, then it is likely no one has an answer or someone who does hasn't looked in IRC yet. You risk annoying people if you incessantly repeat yourself.
[18:22:34] <Mr-Fine>	ok
[18:22:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special pages not updated since 4 February 2009 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17534  +comment (10brion)
[18:24:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553  (10rememberthedot)
[18:25:19] <izua>	yes. thanks MinuteElectron!
[18:28:23] <TWD|BuF>	Hey I have a problem where I use a lot of h3 sections on my wiki articles and it makes the toc really long.  Any recommendations to fix? http://www.framerage.com/wiki/index.php?title=Left_4_Dead#Reduced_Gore
[18:31:16] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Special pages not updated since 4 February 2009 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17534   +shell; +comment (10brion)
[18:32:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Purge link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17499  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[18:45:21] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r47372 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (27 files): 
[18:45:21] <CIA-60>	Localisation updates for core from translatewiki.net
[18:45:21] <CIA-60>	* updates for namespaces, special page aliases, and magic words
[18:47:55] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r47373 10/trunk/extensions/ (91 files in 91 dirs): 
[18:47:55] <CIA-60>	Localisation updates for extensions from translatewiki.net
[18:47:55] <CIA-60>	* updates for special page aliases
[18:56:37] <msh210>	hi,all.  what's {{int:foo}}?
[18:57:07] <msh210>	e.g. at http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Newarticletextanon?action=edit
[18:58:48] <Nrrd>	msh210: items wrapped in 2 curly braces are pages that can be rendered inline to a wiki page - like a template for example
[18:59:00] <Nrrd>	int: is the internal namespace
[18:59:10] <msh210>	what's the "internal ns"?
[18:59:37] <werdnum>	Um, no?
[18:59:37] <ialex>	msh210: it includes the "foo" message (MediaWiki:Foo) in user language
[18:59:49] <werdnum>	{{int:}} is a parser function which includes the given message name.
[19:00:07] *Nrrd 	stands corrected
[19:00:18] <msh210>	so {{int:foo}} is the same as {{mediawiki:foo}} then?
[19:00:26] <msh210>	i mean, yields the same result?
[19:00:36] <werdnum>	no
[19:00:44] <werdnum>	because it localises it to UI language.
[19:01:14] <msh210>	so {{int:foo}} is the same as {{ {{ns:mediawiki}}:foo}} then?
[19:01:28] <ialex>	still no
[19:01:37] <msh210>	then what? sorry if i'm dense......
[19:01:56] <werdnum>	it localises the MESSAGE to the UI language
[19:01:57] <flyingparchment>	it localises the message, not the namespace name
[19:02:03] <msh210>	oic
[19:02:09] <werdnum>	If you are on english wikipedia, and set your UI language to french
[19:02:18] <msh210>	i didnt thing mediaiwiki had on the fly transltor buitl in
[19:02:24] <flyingparchment>	it doesn't
[19:02:27] <msh210>	s/thing/think
[19:02:33] <werdnum>	then if you do {{int:user}}, you get Utilisateur, but if you do {{MediaWiki:user}} you get User.
[19:02:35] <flyingparchment>	it has a file containing the text of each message in each language
[19:02:53] <msh210>	ah
[19:03:19] *Nrrd 	realises int for internationalisation
[19:03:24] <msh210>	is there a way to see these (besides by calling {{int:foo}})?
[19:03:49] <werdnum>	interface, I think.
[19:03:54] <CIA-60>	03demon * r47374 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (Title.php filerepo/File.php): General cleanup of SQL in Title and File. Fixes bug 17392: 'FOR UPDATE' should be passed in an array, not as a string.
[19:03:55] <werdnum>	msh210: Special:Allmessages
[19:04:03] <msh210>	by UI you mean web browser (typically), or something like special:preferences ?
[19:04:05] <msh210>	werdnum thx
[19:04:09] <werdnum>	in your preferences.
[19:04:14] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) in Title::isValidMoveTarget, $dbw->selectRow should pass array, not string - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17392  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[19:05:06] <msh210>	ah, and these translations are MW-built-in or WM-project-built-in or site-specific?
[19:05:18] <msh210>	s/WM-project/WMF/
[19:06:52] <ialex>	msh210: most of them are availabe in MediaWiki
[19:07:20] <msh210>	hm, ok
[19:08:18] <msh210>	ah! i see now... you have to look at Allmessages while the right lang pref is set....
[19:08:41] <CIA-60>	03brion * r47375 10/trunk/phase3/includes/HTMLFileCache.php: Follow-up to r47361: code style cleanup (consolidate a couple of duplicated checks, unneeded variable copying)
[19:08:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) special:export exports two copies of pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17374  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[19:09:28] <msh210>	well, thx FYI, werdnum, ialex, flyingparchment, nrrd
[19:10:11] <werdnum>	brion: If you wanna offload stuff to me, I'm happy to help out.
[19:10:20] <werdnum>	I'm mostly doing code style and stuff on Lqt at the moment
[19:11:02] <brion>	werdnum: can you take a peek at anything marked fixme still? some of those may already be resolved http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/status/fixme
[19:11:16] <brion>	and i'll toss you some issues as i find them :D
[19:11:25] <werdnum>	brion: okay
[19:12:45] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Rollback shouldn't show "Action complete" unless it actually completed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17350  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[19:12:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) incorrect rollback reports - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12873  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[19:18:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) E-mail on usability.wikimedia.org non-functional - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17508  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[19:25:58] <brion>	werdnum: actually what i could really use is a batch status-setter on the code revision list view in CodeReview
[19:26:22] <brion>	checkbox next to each item, 'select all' button, and a status dropdown
[19:26:31] <brion>	be good to bulk-set some of these deferred things
[19:26:46] *TrevorParscal_ 	writes a code review bot for brion for his birthday
[19:27:01] <werdnum>	brion: Okay, just in the middle of committing, will look into that in a sec.
[19:27:09] *werdnum 	will have to get a test CodeReview setup going too.
[19:29:20] <brion>	woot
[19:29:27] <brion>	it's pretty easy to set up locally
[19:30:43] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r47376 10/branches/REL1_14/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: RELEASE-NOTES for r46134, backported in r46135.
[19:31:15] *werdnum 	RTFMs
[19:48:46] <msh210>	hi, all; is this the right chan to ask about using the dumps?
[19:53:18] <thekryz>	Hi guys ^^ I have a problem with building a template and want to know if I need an extension or if I can be helped without one. I receive multiple variables with a template call. One of the variables looks like this: "12,24" Can I somehow extract the part before the comma? So that I can do sth with the 12 only?
[19:53:44] <Marybelle>	That sounds like you'll need StringFunctions.
[19:54:25] <msh210>	[[extension:stringFunctions]]
[19:54:38] <msh210>	oh, no linker in this chan.
[19:54:51] <thekryz>	its okay, I found it
[19:55:03] <thekryz>	but I cant yet seem to find a way to extract a part before the comma.
[19:55:17] <Marybelle>	You mean inside a template parameter or inside a string?
[19:55:43] <thekryz>	I want only part of the template parameter
[19:56:02] <thekryz>	But the parameter can vary, it could also be 1,249 or 123123,2
[19:56:54] <msh210>	Another question, how can I get a list of those ns0 titles whose pages contain a certain string?
[19:57:02] <literal>	where are all the __KEYWORD__ things documented?
[19:57:04] <msh210>	(from the dump, say, notlive)
[19:57:26] <msh210>	literal [[literal [[Help:Magic_words]]
[19:57:32] <literal>	thanks
[19:57:38] <msh210>	yw
[19:57:47] <thekryz>	I could work with a combi of rpos and sub I guess... I'll try this out. Thanks Marybelle and msh210  :)
[19:59:12] <literal>	is there no way to hide the article title? (in this case, for the front page)
[20:01:07] <msh210>	How can I get a list of those ns0 titles whose pages contain a certain string?
[20:01:12] <literal>	nm, found http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ#How_do_I_hide_the_main_page_title.3F
[20:06:37] <msh210>	Oh, and another question: Is there a {{MAGICWORD}} that displays $wgExpensiveParserFunctionLimit (the way, e.g., {{SERVER}} displays $wgServer)?
[20:06:54] <Nikerabbit>	no
[20:07:04] <msh210>	oh, ok thx
[20:17:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) No High Dynamic Range Image (HDRI) file formats allowed on Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17505  (10proxlrbar)
[20:29:12] <msh210>	How can I get a list of those ns0 titles whose pages contain a certain string?
[20:31:24] <Laaknor>	msh210: check the database?
[20:32:17] <msh210>	ja... i meant more specifically. i.e., can someone advise me on how to analyze the dump. but never mind, i think i may not need to.....
[20:33:43] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Move + delete removes an article from Special:NewPages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17536 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Deleting; (mediawiki)
[20:51:03] <brion>	hmmmm
[20:51:14] <brion>	http://shortstack.local/trunk/index.php/File:Server-kitty.jpg (local link; for illustrative purposes)
[20:51:21] <brion>	"The following file is a duplicate of this file (more details):
[20:51:21] <brion>	    * File:Server-kitty.jpg"
[20:51:32] <werdnum>	 o-o
[20:51:42] <brion>	http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Server-kitty.jpg
[20:51:54] <brion>	now as it happens this links perfectly correctly -- it shows me the remote file on Commons
[20:51:58] <brion>	but it's kind of confusing
[20:52:13] *^demon 	pokes it
[20:52:34] <brion>	:D
[20:52:54] *werdnum 	has almost finished his sammich
[20:52:56] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r47377 10/trunk/extensions/CommunityVoice/CommunityVoice.php: Follow up r47367: 'descriptionmsg' is a fix keyword and may not be changed
[20:53:54] *brion 	grumbles at the lack of a simple paint-style app on mac os x default install
[20:54:06] <brion>	i end up loading things in gimp to scrawl a "look here" arrow
[20:55:13] <mdale>	brion: soon your simple editor could be in javascript:  http://editor.pixastic.com/
[20:55:35] <brion>	^demon: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/File:Funky_dupe_markings.png
[20:56:47] <^demon>	Bah, I don't have commons set up as my repo :-p
[21:01:26] <brion>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/47310#c1783 <- man now i wish i could put inline images in bugzilla and mark them up in-browser
[21:01:29] <brion>	FUCK THAT'D ROCK
[21:01:57] *werdnum 	hides.
[21:02:19] <werdnum>	I'm already doing that "bulk change status" thing :D
[21:02:22] <brion>	:D
[21:03:01] <mdale>	have you seen http://www.twiddla.com/ ? 
[21:03:06] <mdale>	somewhat like that idea...
[21:03:18] <mdale>	but does not let you put it into bugzilla ;)
[21:03:33] <^demon>	brion: Have you uploaded a local copy? I'm not getting any dupe warnings.
[21:03:40] <brion>	^demon: yes
[21:03:47] <brion>	otherwise there wouldn't be any dupe warnings :)
[21:05:16] <brion>	^demon: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/47305 seems to have done something funky with the whitespace that's obscuring the actual change
[21:06:04] <^demon>	I also cleaned up some leading whitespace. Did I not mention that in my commit?
[21:06:24] <werdnum>	brion: So you want like a checkbox in an extra column on the left, and "bulk change status/add tags/blah blah" at the top + bottom?
[21:06:25] <^demon>	Ah, I didn't oops.
[21:07:13] <brion>	^demon: it looked to me like good tabs were being changed to offset spaces or something
[21:08:01] <brion>	werdnum: bugzilla has a "change several bugs at once" link at the bottom of search results which brings you to basically that -- smae view with a checkbox on each row and some extra form fields to tweak
[21:08:14] <brion>	could just toss it in regular or do it this way
[21:08:28] <werdnum>	brion: looking
[21:09:07] <^demon>	brion: Lines were like \t\t\sblahblahbla, I was removing the preceeding space.
[21:10:36] <brion>	\t\stry { <- this is in there now
[21:10:45] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r47378 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (40 files): Localisation updates for core messages from translatewiki.net (2009-02-17 21:00 UTC)
[21:10:45] <brion>	should be \t\ttry {
[21:10:58] <^demon>	Dammit.
[21:11:01] <^demon>	I'll fix those.
[21:11:04] <brion>	half the function seems to have \t\s instead of \t\t :)
[21:11:05] <brion>	thx
[21:11:10] <^demon>	And in regards to remote dupes: I see what you mean. Imo, we could just keep all dupe info down in the links part, and remove the bit from under the thumb entirely. It's redundant.
[21:11:32] <brion>	^demon: clear labeling in one place is prolly best, yes :D
[21:14:50] <CIA-60>	03demon * r47379 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Exception.php: Fix spacing properly this time.
[21:18:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Block IPs abusing password reminder feature - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17487  +comment (10tbertels+bugzilla)
[21:20:49] <Simetrical>	brion, did you get the e-mail from Remember the Dot asking for commit access?  He's gotten quite a few patches accepted.
[21:21:28] <Simetrical>	Seems like at least 5 or so.
[21:21:33] <brion>	i have a mail from..... jan 31
[21:21:43] <Simetrical>	Haven't gotten up to that yet?
[21:21:55] <brion>	various old things still floating around :)
[21:22:01] <Simetrical>	Because he's bugging me to commit something and I'd prefer to not have to review it.
[21:22:22] <Simetrical>	You committed one of his patches, actually.
[21:22:32] <brion>	sent him a reply asking for acct details
[21:22:52] <^demon>	O_o
[21:23:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[21:23:26] <^demon>	brion: Tell me how that top part of text could possibly appear when the places using the message have been commented out....
[21:23:59] <^demon>	CACHE_NONE fixes all :)
[21:24:02] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r47380 10/trunk/extensions/ (159 files in 148 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from translatewiki.net (2009-02-17 21:00 UTC)
[21:26:12] <brion>	heh
[21:28:51] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Turn off zlib.output_compression for 304 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17537 normal; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (edwardzyang)
[21:30:32] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) E-mail on usability.wikimedia.org non-functional - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17508  +comment (10tparscal)
[21:30:37] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) RSS <link>s should be from /, not http:// - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17538 trivial; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (jidanni)
[21:30:58] <brion>	yay groceries in!
[21:32:28] <werdnum>	\o/
[21:32:30] <werdnum>	om nom nom
[21:33:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Turn off zlib.output_compression for 304 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17537  +comment (10brion)
[21:33:28] <CIA-60>	03demon * r47381 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 4 dirs): 
[21:33:28] <CIA-60>	* Only show dupe messages for remote images once. Twice is redundant :)
[21:33:28] <CIA-60>	* Phased out sharedupload(duplicate|conflict)(\-linktext)? messages (removed from en and messages.inc)
[21:33:34] <^demon>	brion ^^^
[21:40:45] *brion 	svn up'd and checks
[21:40:53] <brion>	groceries finally arrived... yay for deliveries in the rain
[21:41:53] <brion>	^demon: hmm, well now it's only telling me it's a dupe once, but i don't quite understand it's on the shared repo until i click it in the list
[21:42:35] <^demon>	What if that list was broken down by-repo?
[21:42:48] <brion>	that might be neat
[21:42:59] <brion>	or list the source on the line like:
[21:43:22] <brion>	* <a>File:Server-kitty.jpg</a> on Wikimedia Commons
[21:43:55] <werdnum>	Source names can't be done afaik
[21:45:20] <^demon>	werdnum: I've been meaning to add a shared-repo-NAME type message thing for per-repo naming.
[21:45:24] <^demon>	There's some bug open about it.
[21:45:46] <brion>	*nod*
[21:45:53] <brion>	for the moment an "on shared repository" might be fine
[21:48:39] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Add oasis opendocument to mime.types - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17497  +comment (10brion)
[21:49:32] <brion>	werdnum: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/47288 looks like it needs fixin; should be easy, pull some mime types from where they're listed elsewhere :)
[21:50:13] <werdnum>	Will do
[21:50:25] <werdnum>	Before or after batch CodeReview changes? :)
[21:50:41] <brion>	after is fine :D
[21:50:49] <werdnum>	okie
[21:52:45] <Raymond_afk>	^demon: I am missing a shared-repo-NAME too... I will give a cookie for such a variable :)
[21:54:16] <^demon>	I'm working on it :)
[21:55:16] <AhmadSherif>	Danny_B, excuse me, could you look at bug 1061
[21:58:39] <^demon>	Raymond_afk: Nice accessor too. $repoObj->getDisplayName() :D
[22:01:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) A way to bypass Spam Blacklist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12896  (10mikelifeguard)
[22:01:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Spam Blacklist needs to do unicode normalization - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12896  summary; +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[22:02:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) allow per-page exceptions to spam blacklist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12963  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[22:03:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Spam Blacklist sometimes allows to add blacklisted links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13569  (10mikelifeguard)
[22:03:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Spam Blacklist sometimes allows adding blacklisted links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13569  summary; +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[22:05:16] <CIA-60>	03dale * r47382 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/mv_embed/libAddMedia/firefogg.js: 
[22:05:16] <CIA-60>	* fixes integration with commons upload handler
[22:05:16] <CIA-60>	* makes sure it passes commons upload tests before proceeding to transcode.
[22:06:34] <CIA-60>	03brion * r47383 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/importTextFile.php: Tweak to r47279 -- include final newline to keep the terminal clean :)
[22:08:45] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Bugzilla won't show patches - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17539 normal; normal; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; (mikelifeguard)
[22:14:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Bugzilla won't show patches - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17539  +comment (10brion)
[22:15:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Changing default image thumbnail size on Swedish Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16739  +comment (10lejonel)
[22:15:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Block IPs abusing password reminder feature - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17487  (10mikelifeguard)
[22:17:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) allow per-page exceptions to spam blacklist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12963  (10waldir)
[22:19:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Block IPs abusing password reminder feature - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17487  (10tbertels+bugzilla)
[22:22:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) allow per-page exceptions to spam blacklist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12963  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[22:22:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Block IPs abusing password reminder feature - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17487  (10majorly.wiki)
[22:24:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Block IPs abusing password reminder feature - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17487  (10mikelifeguard)
[22:26:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) allow per-page exceptions to spam blacklist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12963  (10waldir)
[22:27:27] <CIA-60>	03demon * r47385 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 4 dirs): 
[22:27:27] <CIA-60>	* Add method to FileRepo to get the human-readable name of the repository (getDisplayName())
[22:27:27] <CIA-60>	* Use this in ImagePage to show what repo the dupes are from
[22:27:27] <CIA-60>	* Added default "shared repository" message for shared repos without names.
[22:28:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Turn off zlib.output_compression for 304 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17537  (10edwardzyang)
[22:28:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) allow per-page exceptions to spam blacklist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12963  (10mikelifeguard)
[22:28:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Changing default image thumbnail size on Swedish Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16739  (10jeluf)
[22:30:44] <^demon>	brion: Tell me what you think when you get a second.
[22:32:05] <brion>	^demon: shared-repo-name-{$this->name} mebbe?
[22:32:13] <brion>	otherwise if you have a repo named 'from' ... :D
[22:32:51] <^demon>	Who would name their repo 'from' ? User error.
[22:32:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Block IPs abusing password reminder feature - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17487  (10tbertels+bugzilla)
[22:33:24] <brion>	why make it possible to shoot yourself in the foot when a foot guard is free?
[22:34:19] <^demon>	Done.
[22:34:38] <^demon>	For the thrill of maybe getting shot :)
[22:34:50] <CIA-60>	03demon * r47386 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/FileRepo.php: Followup: Make the repo names 'shared-repo-name-'. Someone might name their repo 'from' and then complain.
[22:35:52] <brion>	whatever floats your boat ;)
[22:36:22] <atglenn>	"why make it possible to shoot yourself in the foot when a foot guard is free?" is this a signature line? if not, it should be 
[22:36:40] <CIA-60>	03demon * r47387 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/ForeignAPIRepo.php: Override FileRepo::newFile() when $time is set. See docs on parent.
[22:37:28] <werdnum>	Bah
[22:37:37] <brion>	the unix way: gun is pointed at all body parts simultaneously by default. to avoid shooting self in foot, shoot | grep -v foot
[22:37:53] <werdnum>	I know how to actually do the batch changes in a really insanely evil way, or alternatively a much more difficult, but satisfying way.
[22:38:03] <brion>	the windows way: gun points forward by default, but sometimes gets stuck pointing at feet. to fix aim, reinstall windows.
[22:38:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) allow per-page exceptions to spam blacklist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12963  (10waldir)
[22:38:20] <brion>	the mac way: guns aren't allowed in mac-land. just move along, drifter!
[22:38:43] <werdnum>	Cracking bad jokes is Brion's way of breaking up the code review monotony.
[22:39:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Don't mark external links to the current wiki as external - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11477  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[22:39:47] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Render onsite URLs written in external link form like internal links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11124  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[22:40:24] <werdnum>	brion: Can I loop through all request variables by pulling from $wgRequest->data, or is that frowned upon as not using the standard interface?
[22:40:53] <brion>	is there an array there? i woulnd't rely on that :)
[22:41:01] <^demon>	werdnum: Please please don't use $wgRequest->data directly :( I cleaned that up awhile ago to make it cleaner if/when I finally revamp WebRequest :)
[22:41:03] <werdnum>	If not, can I add a "getVariables" method to grab a list of all available GPC vars?
[22:41:26] <brion>	that sounds more like whtt you might want :) but what for?
[22:41:50] <werdnum>	So I can get a list of all of the checkboxes which you've checked.
[22:41:56] <brion>	if this is for the checkboxes, you probably should just have them go into a single named array
[22:42:08] <brion>	then $wgRequest->getArray() it
[22:42:26] *werdnum 	hasn't used that before, but will look into it now.
[22:42:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) allow per-page exceptions to spam blacklist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12963  (10mikelifeguard)
[22:44:59] <werdnum>	ooh, nifty.
[22:45:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Block IPs abusing password reminder feature - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17487  +comment (10overlordq)
[22:50:19] <riesss>	hi
[22:50:39] <riesss>	any1 here and awake?
[22:51:08] <OverlordQ>	depends
[22:51:09] <kraut>	of course, not!
[22:51:29] <kraut>	and i'm just a bot looking for zombies crawling through the night
[22:51:37] <kraut>	are you a zombie, riesss?
[22:51:49] <CIA-60>	03brion * r47388 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Article.php: 
[22:51:49] <CIA-60>	Follow-up to r47217 "Add a <link rel="canonical"> tag on redirected page views per http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2009/02/specify-your-canonical.html"
[22:51:49] <CIA-60>	We can use a relative link in the HTML here and save a few bytes of output; consumer is required to be able to expand relative links it finds here.
[22:52:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) allow per-page exceptions to spam blacklist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12963  (10waldir)
[22:52:04] <riesss>	http://www.ersti.tk/
[22:52:09] <riesss>	i am an absolute beginner
[22:52:23] <riesss>	is it possible to change the navigation categories on the left?
[22:52:46] <riesss>	now there is :   main page, community portal, current event, recent changes
[22:52:49] <izua>	i have this template: http://pastebin.com/m587d299
[22:52:52] <riesss>	i want other things there
[22:52:56] <OverlordQ>	!sidebar | riesss
[22:52:56] --mwbot--	riesss: To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar>.
[22:52:59] <izua>	now, if I insert it as it is in a page, it works fine.
[22:53:10] <riesss>	ok cool
[22:53:11] <riesss>	thx
[22:53:16] <riesss>	next question
[22:53:22] <izua>	if I uncomment lines 10-18 it crashes, although it seems fine to me
[22:53:27] <riesss>	how do I put a pdf online?
[22:53:40] <riesss>	like to make it available to other
[22:53:41] <riesss>	s
[22:53:42] <izua>	why it crashes the design? apparently, it adds a few <p><br />\n</p> in the html
[22:53:44] <izua>	where it shouldn't
[22:53:49] <CIA-60>	03demon * r47389 10/trunk/extensions/WikimediaMessages/WikimediaMessages.i18n.php: Let WMF have a default for 'shared-repo-name-' for Commons, rather than falling back to ugly default. (name in CommonSettings is 'shared')
[22:53:55] <izua>	(because of this it won't validate, either)
[22:57:05] <CIA-60>	03demon * r47390 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Tweak msg. Indefinite articles rock.
[22:57:37] <riesss>	hi
[22:57:56] <riesss>	any1?   How do I put a file online or at least make it downloadable
[22:58:35] <izua>	riesss: using a webserver? or a ftp server? 
[22:59:07] <riesss>	no, i want to make it available in the wiki, for people to be able to click at it
[22:59:19] <riesss>	it�s uploaded already to the webspace
[23:01:11] <CIA-60>	03brion * r47391 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 4 dirs): 
[23:01:11] <CIA-60>	Revert r47196, r47219 "* (bug 13040) Gender-aware user namespace aliases" and followup
[23:01:11] <CIA-60>	Using $wgTitle in a Title member function in a weird way that makes no sense. What's this code trying to accomplish, and can it do it in a way that's not broken?
[23:02:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Captcha form should be set off visually on edit page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9406  +comment (10tbertels+bugzilla)
[23:02:39] <chuck>	brion: are you doing code review to get ready for a scap?
[23:02:55] <izua>	riess: [url linkname]
[23:03:02] <brion>	that's the theory chuck 
[23:03:15] <chuck>	;-)
[23:04:34] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) wrong mark moved page in new pages log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17540 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (danny.leinad)
[23:05:22] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r47392 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Rename new ACTIVEUSERS word to NUMBEROFACTIVEUSERS
[23:05:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Captcha form should be set off visually on edit page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9406   +accessibility (10tbertels+bugzilla)
[23:06:30] <remur_030>	Good day, I am looking for a comfortable way to edit a table with mediawiki, is there a tool or something?
[23:06:41] <riesss>	izua   thxxxxx
[23:06:46] <remur_030>	I want to move a column to the right, without moving every single cell
[23:10:55] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r47393 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/CodeReleaseNotes.php: Simplify code here a tad
[23:17:45] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special:Booksources parsing differs from normal - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17541 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (gtisza)
[23:18:53] <CIA-60>	03demon * r47394 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): (bug 14980) Make shareduploadwiki(-desc) a param to sharedupload. Also RELEASE-NOTES for adding repo names.
[23:19:12] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Merge messages 'sharedupload' and 'shareduploadwiki'/'shareduploadwiki-desc' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14980  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[23:19:19] <brion>	werdnum: breakage in edit page: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/47202#c1799
[23:19:38] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Shared repo APIs should include 'repo-sharedupload' and 'repo-name' messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14981  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[23:20:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Spam Blacklist shouldn't be fooled by similar-looking Unicode characters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12896  summary; +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[23:21:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Microsoft SQL Server/MSSQL support (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9767  +comment (10dj.bauch)
[23:21:43] <werdnum>	brion: okie, will look in a sec
[23:21:48] <brion>	tx
[23:24:55] <^demon>	brion: I'm done playing with ImagePage for today :)
[23:26:42] <brion>	:D
[23:27:21] <werdnum>	brion: man how do you spot these things.
[23:27:25] *werdnum 	gives brion a cookie.
[23:27:49] <brion>	om nom nom nom
[23:28:48] <werdnum>	We have mini brownies in the office
[23:28:56] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) RevisionDeleted fails on deleted revisions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17542 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Deleting; (FT2.wiki)
[23:28:57] <werdnum>	they are definitely worthy of onm nom nom
[23:33:53] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r47395 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/ (3 files): Allow multiple revisions to be changed at the same time in list views.
[23:34:02] <werdnum>	brion: EditPage breakage fixed.
[23:34:09] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r47396 10/trunk/phase3/includes/EditPage.php: Fix double-escaping in r47202.
[23:35:38] <werdnum>	Just fixing that MIME thing nao
[23:35:44] <chuck>	werdnum: do you work at the wikimedia foundation office?
[23:35:53] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) RevisionDeleted cannot redact from latest revision - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17543 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Deleting; (FT2.wiki)
[23:36:16] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r47397 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/ (SpecialRevisiondelete.php SpecialUndelete.php): (bug 17542) RevisionDeleted failed on deleted revisions (double-quoting)
[23:36:27] <brion>	tx werdnum 
[23:36:37] <werdnum>	chuck: yeah, for the rest of the week
[23:36:45] <werdnum>	then I'm heading home to be lazy there :D
[23:36:46] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Hide captcha on account creation after user succeeds - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17544 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User login/settings; (tbertels+bugzilla)
[23:36:48] <brion>	werdnum: dude you don't have an avatar on identica
[23:36:59] <chuck>	werdnum: what is that place like? :P
[23:37:06] <werdnum>	brion: Dude I don't have a good photo for 'public' places.
[23:37:13] <werdnum>	chuck: Pretty utilitarian
[23:37:34] <werdnum>	chuck: A couple desks in a room, a boring kitchen and two conference rooms.
[23:37:36] <brion>	well the ideal is to find a pic of oneself drunk at a party and use that as much as possible in public.
[23:37:37] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) RevisionDeleted fails on deleted revisions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17542  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[23:37:42] <chuck>	werdnum: aww :-(
[23:37:43] <werdnum>	The good part of it is the people
[23:37:46] <brion>	then when potential employers google you, they know it can't get any worse than that
[23:38:11] <chuck>	you guys should have graffiti murals on the walls, and maybe a projector with a live animated feed of images uploaded to commons or something cool like that!
[23:39:13] <werdnum>	chuck: heh, we aren't google
[23:39:15] <AaronSchulz>	brion: is '/trunk/wiki' deferred ?
[23:39:17] <werdnum>	we don't have a bajillion dollars
[23:39:18] <brion>	any monitors pretty much get snapped up for use by folks ;)
[23:39:31] <brion>	AaronSchulz: ..?
[23:39:45] <AaronSchulz>	47346/47347 are
[23:40:10] <brion>	 /trunk/wikiation ?
[23:40:28] <brion>	that's the install/testing tools wikiation are working on
[23:40:44] <chuck>	what is wikiation?
[23:43:04] <brion>	chuck: http://www.wikiation.nl/Wiki_advice_and_wiki_hosting
[23:43:24] <brion>	a mediawiki hosting service in .nl
[23:43:39] <brion>	they're funding development of some extension compat testing tools, which is nifty :D
[23:44:52] <Simetrical>	chuck, the live feed of images newly uploaded to Commons was suggested before.  Problem: goatse.
[23:44:55] <Betacommand>	what is the current mw release version?
[23:45:09] <Simetrical>	Or just more penis pictures.
[23:45:17] <Simetrical>	Betacommand, see topic?
[23:45:53] <Betacommand>	Simetrical: sorry missed that
[23:46:23] <chuck>	Simetrical: hehehe :P
[23:46:45] <brion>	Simetrical: every goatse image that comes up seems to get sent around the office anyway
[23:47:13] <Simetrical>	brion, . . . by who?
[23:47:15] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Consider allowing to sight a page with a null edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17545 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[23:48:30] <chuck>	brion: ooooh, right, i saw something about extension testing in a blog or something
[23:49:47] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r47398 10/trunk/phase3/includes/mime.types: Fix r47288 by using the *real* openoffice MIME types, pulled from http://books.evc-cit.info/odbook/ch01.html#mimetype-table
[23:50:15] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Add oasis opendocument to mime.types - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17497  +comment (10Andrew)
[23:50:22] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r47399 10/trunk/phase3/includes/mime.types: Trailing whitespace
[23:50:33] <brion>	om nom nom nom
[23:50:38] <brion>	chomp() is best function name evar
[23:50:46] <werdnum>	hehe
[23:50:55] <AaronSchulz>	no, coalesce() is
[23:51:15] <Simetrical>	coalesce() is sort of "whoa", chomp() is more "lol".
[23:51:22] <brion>	precisely
[23:51:29] <werdnum>	brion: Anything else, I've done the two things you prodded me with.
[23:51:42] <werdnum>	ooh, I could make a twitterer for the server admin log...
[23:51:52] <brion>	mmm, you could :D
[23:52:05] <brion>	make it speak to laconica... we can always have identica mirror the feed to twitter
[23:52:11] <werdnum>	fair enough.
[23:52:16] *werdnum 	assumes some API is in place.
[23:52:24] <werdnum>	Do I want to read from this channel or from the server admin log itself?
[23:52:34] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r47400 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialRevisiondelete.php: Fix more double quoting
[23:53:03] <brion>	well...
[23:53:09] <brion>	let's not overengineer it >:D
[23:53:28] *brion 	wanders off into land of streaming pub/sub xmpp goodness
[23:53:41] <brion>	for the moment let's say we have the bot listener do it
[23:54:05] <Time_vampire>	werdnum: I imagine you'll need to launch a satellite for it at some point
[23:55:00] <CIA-60>	03purodha * r47401 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Message text "Special:ListGroupRights" more specific.
[23:55:02] <brion>	Time_vampire: a fleet of satellites to be safe. need spares in case some hit space junk
[23:55:26] <chuck>	Time_vampire: hehe
[23:55:38] <AaronSchulz>	brion: or each other ;)
[23:56:07] <atglenn>	this means we need death lasers attached to the satellites
[23:56:16] <werdnum>	brion: eep, I have to use python :P
[23:56:19] <atglenn>	to get rid of each other^W^Wthe space junk...
[23:57:12] <brion>	!
[23:59:14] <werdnum>	lusers