[00:00:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) wrong patrol mark for moved page in new pages log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17540  (10JSchulz_4587)
[00:01:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Images can't have far future expires - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17577  +comment (10Platonides)
[00:07:26] <werdnum>	brion: are you wikitech-ling or am I?
[00:08:12] <Simetrical>	wikitech-l is a great verb.
[00:08:24] <werdnum>	He's a wikitech-ling.
[00:08:26] <werdnum>	awww
[00:08:29] <Simetrical>	wikitech-led, wikitech-ling, wikitech-les.
[00:08:51] <Simetrical>	This is a wikitech-led community.
[00:08:52] <Simetrical>	Maybe.
[00:09:19] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Add reason and private log to view private abuse log information - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17219  (10Andrew)
[00:09:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Images can't have far future expires - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17577  (10brion)
[00:09:44] <brion>	um?
[00:09:45] <brion>	ah
[00:09:48] <brion>	werdnum: go ahead, it's your baby :D
[00:09:54] <werdnum>	brion: okie
[00:13:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) chose type of spam blocking (articles and talk-pages or articles only) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14091  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[00:15:20] <chuck>	is it possible to rename users globally with CentralAuth?
[00:16:18] <AaronSchulz>	don't think so
[00:16:53] <werdnum>	No, also something that needs doing
[00:17:54] <werdnum>	brion: Is this about right? http://pastebin.ca/1342411
[00:18:11] <werdnum>	(don't worry, gmail breaks my lines for me)
[00:19:37] <CIA-60>	03dale * r47525 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (20 files in 10 dirs): 
[00:19:37] <CIA-60>	massive refactoring of mv_embed
[00:19:37] <CIA-60>	support for js ScriptServer
[00:19:40] *brion 	lookies
[00:20:35] <brion>	werdnum: super :D
[00:21:20] *werdnum 	sends with a tweak or two
[00:21:24] <chuck>	werdnum: do you know when that will be done? :P
[00:22:21] <werdnum>	chuck: When we've done a little bit of testing + evaluation of it
[00:22:28] <werdnum>	we won't know until we actually have a go at it
[00:22:40] <Simetrical>	If I have a DNS server that I think has records for a domain, but which isn't the authoritative DNS server for the domain, how can I verify that it actually does have the right records?  Because I don't know if my new host has put up the DNS entries we requested yet.
[00:22:43] *Simetrical 	scratches his head
[00:23:14] <werdnum>	Simetrical: you ask the real server :)
[00:23:30] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r47526 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedRevs.class.php specialpages/RevisionReview_body.php): 
[00:23:31] <CIA-60>	* Remove whitespace
[00:23:31] <CIA-60>	* Add comments
[00:24:11] <Simetrical>	You mean the one that's actually the authoritative server for the domain?  I know that one works.  I want to know if the non-authoritative ones work too, because I want to *make* them the authoritative ones, so I can terminate the contract with the old host.
[00:24:22] <brion>	omg the comments on http://www.raizlabs.com/blog/?p=367 are hilarious
[00:25:20] *Simetrical 	gives up, just switches the DNS and prays
[00:25:22] <AaronSchulz>	you are so Anthropomorphic
[00:25:45] <chuck>	werdnum: so it's already implemented?
[00:26:37] <werdnum>	chuck: on testwiki yeah
[00:26:42] <chuck>	brion: lol @ that "mockup", hehe
[00:26:51] <chuck>	werdnum: how does it work?
[00:27:08] <brion>	i pretty mcuh agree; hardware-wise i want the kindle to be an iphone with a 6" screen ;)
[00:27:29] <brion>	eventually the battery life will be worked out for nice color screens that size and there'll be some real nice devices
[00:27:49] <brion>	but the knee-jerk reactions in the comments are great
[00:28:00] <chuck>	and then, I can finally realize my dream of reading "green eggs and ham" (or whatever that mockup is of) on a portable ebook reader
[00:28:02] <brion>	"i don't read comics and children's books, therefore nobody needs a color screen"
[00:28:47] *brion-away 	wanders off for a bit, be in and out
[00:32:14] <chuck>	werdnum: where can I learn more about that user renaming thing for centralauth?
[00:33:12] <werdnum>	chuck: bugzilla
[00:34:07] <Emachman>	!bugzilla
[00:34:07] --mwbot--	All bugs in MediaWiki should be reported at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org. This is also the place to request site configuration changes, new features or enhancements to existing features, although bear the following points in mind before making a feature/enhancement request: 1) If the request is specific to a Wikimedia wiki, please discuss the issue on that wiki first. 2) Consider whether a custom extension would be more appropriate.
[00:34:13] <werdnum>	BUGZILLAR
[00:34:17] *werdnum 	attacks tomaszf 
[00:34:36] *tomaszf 	runs away to the kitchen for liquid refreshment
[00:34:43] <werdnum>	nom nom nom
[00:34:47] <Emachman>	!set itsalwaysbugzilla FACT: 98% of all questions about MediaWiki development are always "bugzilla".{{fact}}
[00:34:47] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "set". You might try: !adminsettings !config !domdocument !enotif !errors !extranamespace !hosting !interwiki !newusergroup !parserfunctions !passthru !passwordsql !rewriteproblems !session !suggest !templates !tidy !tidyforidiots !upload !uploads 
[00:34:58] <Emachman>	!itsalwaysbugzilla FACT: 98% of all questions about MediaWiki development are always "bugzilla".{{fact}}
[00:34:58] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "itsalwaysbugzilla".
[00:35:04] <Emachman>	!itsalwaysbugzilla = FACT: 98% of all questions about MediaWiki development are always "bugzilla".{{fact}}
[00:35:04] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "itsalwaysbugzilla".
[00:35:06] *werdnum 	lols
[00:35:07] <Emachman>	Hrm
[00:35:10] <werdnum>	having fun?
[00:35:11] <Emachman>	!mwbot
[00:35:11] --mwbot--	Hi! I'm mwbot, a bot that was quickly whipped up by Daniel Cannon (AmiDaniel) to help out around #mediawiki. Some quick help is at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mwbot, you can find all my source code at http://amidaniel.com/viewvc/trunk/MWBot/?root=svn
[00:35:22] <chuck>	werdnum: so there *isn't* any implementation of it yet?
[00:35:32] <Emachman>	!itsalwaysbugzilla is FACT: 98% of all questions about MediaWiki development are always "bugzilla".{{fact}}
[00:35:32] --mwbot--	Successfully added keyword: itsalwaysbugzilla
[00:35:37] <Simetrical>	!botinfo | Emachman 
[00:35:37] --mwbot--	Emachman: I don't know everything about everything. I am mostly for lazy experienced users to echo quick answers to very common mediawiki questions. Please don't randomly experiment with me for help. Everything I know is at http://tools.wikimedia.de/~amidaniel/botbrain.html and you can visit #mwbot or privately message me.
[00:35:50] <Emachman>	Simetrical: I got it
[00:35:57] <Emachman>	[19:35]  <mwbot> Successfully added keyword: itsalwaysbugzilla
[00:36:02] <Emachman>	!itsalwaysbugzilla
[00:36:02] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "itsalwaysbugzilla".
[00:36:09] <Simetrical>	Emachman, stop messing around with mwbot, please.
[00:36:14] <Emachman>	Ok :(
[00:36:14] <werdnum>	Emachman: Mainly he was saying "Please stop messing with the bot"
[00:36:17] <Simetrical>	Or if you do so, do it in #mwbot.
[00:36:20] <Simetrical>	Not here.
[00:36:22] <werdnum>	join #mwbot or private message
[00:37:09] <Simetrical>	"A study last year"
[00:37:21] <werdnum>	yeah, I did it last year.
[00:37:23] <Simetrical>	That's a real academic study, or you running some Perl scripts to get statistics?
[00:37:35] <werdnum>	I did NOT run perl scripts to get statistics
[00:37:37] <werdnum>	They were PHP
[00:37:45] <Emachman>	lol
[00:37:50] <Simetrical>	Oh, okay, that makes it a "study", then.
[00:37:58] <Simetrical>	Everyone knows academics use PHP, not Perl.
[00:38:00] <Simetrical>	. . . wait.
[00:38:05] <werdnum>	:-)
[00:38:30] <Simetrical>	Why don't we just deploy AbuseFilter everywhere and let local sysops make no rules if they feel like it?  (Once perf testing is done.)
[00:39:10] <werdnum>	I think we'll end up deploying it everywhere because of global rules.
[00:39:27] <werdnum>	and they can request to be able to change the global rules
[00:39:28] <werdnum>	or something
[00:40:57] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Classic/Standard skin rendering "oieibwhghoreog" on certain pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17578 trivial; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (scotharkins)
[00:43:40] <Emachman>	What's the outlook for 1.14 being released officially?
[00:44:18] <Simetrical>	Emachman, you mean other than "when it's done"?
[00:44:46] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Classic/Standard skin rendering "oieibwhghoreog" on certain pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17578  +comment (10mrzmanwiki)
[00:45:02] <Emachman>	Simetrical: I'm asking when 1.14 on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_release_history turns green
[00:45:36] <Time_vampire>	when Tim says so
[00:46:33] <Simetrical>	Emachman, yeah, that would be when it's done.  :)
[00:46:58] <Emachman>	Pretty much
[00:50:00] <Emachman>	Time_vampire: can I get a non smart-alec answer?
[00:50:32] <Time_vampire>	that is the answer
[00:50:49] <Time_vampire>	Tim is the release manager, when he decides to release it, that's when its released
[00:50:52] <Emachman>	Ok then :)
[00:51:21] <Time_vampire>	if you want anything more specific, you'd probably have to ask him
[00:52:04] <Emachman>	Ok
[00:52:10] *Emachman 	was asking on behalf of someone else
[01:08:05] <CIA-60>	03tomasz * r47527 10/trunk/extensions/CentralNotice/rebuildTemplates.php: adding option to generate just one template and choice of disk write or stdout
[01:12:36] <malafaya>	does someone have a clue why an extension does not follow language fallback when a message does not exist? it's falling back to English...
[01:12:55] <malafaya>	is it different for extensions somehow?
[01:16:23] <chuck>	looks like nightshade is back up already Emachman :P
[01:16:28] <Emachman>	Err... stupid /amsg...
[01:16:34] <chuck>	O_o
[01:17:18] <chuck>	is it possible to access the database from the configuration file?
[01:26:46] <wikibugs>	06(LATER) wrong patrol mark for moved page in new pages log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17540  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[01:53:54] <CIA-60>	03tstarling * r47528 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/runJobs.php: 
[01:53:54] <CIA-60>	* Don't kill child processes during normal termination, that will leave the last few jobs in the queue uncompleted
[01:53:54] <CIA-60>	* Snicker-resistant terminology
[02:16:37] <Tom39Away>	Any ballpark idea on when 1.14.0rc1 will become final?
[02:17:26] <Emachman>	Tom39Away: are you ever not away? :P
[02:17:41] <Tom39Away>	Emachman, are you ever not a man?
[02:17:48] <Emachman>	Touch?
[02:18:08] <Majorly>	fail
[02:20:00] <Tim-away>	how long has it been now?
[02:22:21] <Tom39Away>	I dunno, almost two weeks I think?
[02:22:50] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Allow html markup in messages: repoadmin-edit-bug, and repoadmin-edit-view - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17579 minor; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CodeReview; (bugzilla.wikimedia)
[02:23:25] <Tom39Away>	If your asking since 1.13, that would be August, so six months.
[02:23:25] <Tim-away>	probably pretty soon then
[02:23:28] <zu22>	!skins
[02:23:28] --mwbot--	Overview: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skins>. Skin usage: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Skins>. Gallery of CSS styles: <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gallery_of_user_styles>. Writing your own: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skinning>
[02:23:32] <Tim-away>	there haven't been many bug reports
[02:23:48] <zu22>	the mediawiki wiki is really thorough
[02:23:53] <zu22>	good job whoever worked on it :)
[02:25:20] <Tim-away>	maybe I should do it today
[02:26:10] <TimStarling>	brion asked me to look at that versioned image URL patch but really that can't be seen as urgent
[02:26:55] <p858snake>	it would be nice if the bugzilla weekly report was forced uin plaintext so i could see all the fancy plaintext formatting without having to change it in gmail
[02:27:09] <flyingparchment>	by 'plaintext' do you mean fixed-width?
[02:27:23] <p858snake>	yes
[02:27:44] *flyingparchment 	can't imagine reading email in a proportional font
[02:27:53] <flyingparchment>	(when i use a gui client, i always changed it to a fixed width font)
[02:28:39] <p858snake>	i can change it in gmail :p
[02:29:10] <flyingparchment>	just make that your default font
[02:30:05] <flyingparchment>	(btw, the answer is: no, you can't do that)
[02:30:16] <flyingparchment>	it's not an html email
[02:50:47] <Charitwo>	AaronSchulz: you here?
[03:27:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New 404 error page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17316  (10ultrablue)
[03:29:22] <Marybelle>	Such fail. :-(
[03:29:27] *Marybelle 	blinks.
[03:29:31] <Marybelle>	I was stuck in scrollback.
[03:47:48] <CIA-60>	03tstarling * r47529 10/trunk/extensions/ContactPage/SpecialContact.php: 
[03:47:48] <CIA-60>	* Removed MW 1.9 compatibility
[03:47:48] <CIA-60>	* Use early returns to avoid excessive indenting
[03:47:48] <CIA-60>	* Fixed a bug causing the "email me a copy" feature to not work if $wgUserEmailUseReplyTo=false
[03:47:48] <CIA-60>	* Make the "email me a copy" emails come from the contact sender instead of the person who submitted the form. Makes more sense to me.
[03:47:52] <CIA-60>	* Rename $from and $to so we don't have to send mails to from, or from to
[03:54:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wikimedia contact form does not like + in the email address - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15624  (10tstarling)
[04:03:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New 404 error page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17316  (10dotcom)
[04:09:43] *Emachman 	adds brion to [[Brion]]
[04:17:51] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) usability.wikimedia.org should support SUL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17580 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (Eugene.Zelenko)
[04:27:38] <p858snake>	no no, Emachman, you should be adding him to [[God (disambiguation)]] >.>
[05:37:30] <UsamaAkkad>	hello, is their some way to copy a whole wiki to another without database access 
[05:37:50] <UsamaAkkad>	some one did that with ar.linuxac.wikia.com
[05:38:00] <UsamaAkkad>	to ar.linux.yourwiki.net
[05:38:40] <OverlordQ>	yea
[05:38:47] <OverlordQ>	might take a while, but yea
[05:39:07] <UsamaAkkad>	please tell me how
[05:39:21] <UsamaAkkad>	it's just a small wiki
[05:39:45] <OverlordQ>	use a bot to copy page content, use the api, etc
[05:40:51] <Prodego>	Special:Export
[05:42:12] <OverlordQ>	looks like the admin is the one that did it, so *shrug*
[05:43:37] <Prodego>	UsamaAkkad: which wiki don't you have DB access to
[05:43:44] <Prodego>	the one you are moving to or the one you are moving from
[05:49:26] <NicDumZ>	do you have any idea....
[05:49:30] <NicDumZ>	of why http://fr.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&generator=exturlusage&geuquery=*.yu&prop=extlinks
[05:49:46] <NicDumZ>	the first links don't have external links ?
[05:50:20] <NicDumZ>	albeit they're registered in Linksearch as having *.yu links ? ( see http://fr.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=exturlusage&euquery=*.yu )
[06:05:39] <UsamaAkkad>	Prodego, I don't have access to both of them but my question is can I import to a wiki that I've datebase access on
[06:05:56] <Prodego>	yes
[06:06:49] <UsamaAkkad>	how please ?
[06:10:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) usability.wikimedia.org should support SUL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17580  +comment (10Andrew)
[06:13:16] <slithytove2006>	rawrr
[06:14:22] <Prom_cat>	Hi
[06:14:28] <Prom_cat>	Trying to debug an SQL issue
[06:14:42] <Prom_cat>	whats the thingy for showsing SQL querys on error pages again?
[06:15:39] <slithytove2006>	no idea. sorry
[06:16:19] <Prom_cat>	its ok
[06:16:20] <Prom_cat>	found it
[06:16:23] <Prom_cat>	($wgShowSQLErrors)
[06:47:31] <CIA-60>	03philip * r47530 10/trunk/phase3/includes/LinksUpdate.php: Fix bug 17571, now page1 would add to both cat1 and cat2.
[08:08:04] <CIA-60>	03catrope * r47531 10/trunk/phase3/includes/DefaultSettings.php: Document APCOND_* in DefaultSettings.php as requested in r47524
[08:08:22] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Slight tweak to category redirects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17571  +comment (10PhiLiP.NPC)
[08:12:22] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Duplicated indexes (Postgres) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17581 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Database; (overlordq)
[08:12:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) PostgreSQL/pgsql support (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384  (10overlordq)
[08:17:24] <OverlordQ>	!sidebar
[08:17:24] --mwbot--	To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar>.
[08:24:56] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Strict Standards: Declaration of FRCacheUpdate::insertJobs() should be compatible with that of HTMLCacheUpdate::insertJobs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17582 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (raimond.spekking)
[08:33:45] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) 1movedto2 and 1movedto2_redir used inconsistently - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17583 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (niklas.laxstrom)
[08:37:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Patrolled status should be moved if the page is moved - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17427  (10cluster)
[08:43:15] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r47532 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/ (8 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[08:43:15] <CIA-60>	* move some formatting from code paramters into messages
[08:43:15] <CIA-60>	* merge some messages that used unnecessary substitution
[08:43:16] <CIA-60>	* separate date/time in 'lqt_revision_as_of', and kept it backward compat
[08:43:16] <CIA-60>	* some minor code formatting changes
[08:43:18] <CIA-60>	* removed some commented out code
[08:43:20] <CIA-60>	* bump version
[08:43:46] <werdnum>	siebrand <3
[08:58:05] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) {{CURRENTTIME}} on Special:Cite - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17584 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (i.am.putnik)
[08:58:30] *werdnum 	shudders.
[08:58:35] <Nikerabbit>	hi werdnum 
[08:58:44] <werdnum>	eep!
[08:58:47] <werdnum>	hey Nikerabbit 
[09:11:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) {{CURRENTTIME}} on Special:Cite - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17584  (10i.am.putnik)
[09:13:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add a switch for SETting the search_path (Postgres) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15816  (10alex.emsenhuber)
[09:13:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) PostgreSQL/pgsql support (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384  (10alex.emsenhuber)
[09:14:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) PostgreSQL:Forgotten to ALTER type of oi_metadata to bytea in updaters.inc - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15815  (10alex.emsenhuber)
[09:14:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) PostgreSQL/pgsql support (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384  (10alex.emsenhuber)
[09:16:42] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) r46460 breaks non-MySQL databases: table tag_summary does not exist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17227  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[09:16:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) PostgreSQL/pgsql support (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384  (10alex.emsenhuber)
[09:46:12] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r47533 10/trunk/extensions/CommunityVoice/Modules/Ratings.php: Use wfMsgExt instead of CommunityVoice::getMessage() to be able to support plural.
[09:53:58] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r47534 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES maintenance/updaters.inc): (bug 17581) Wrong index name in PostgreSQL's updater: was rc_timestamp_nobot, changed to rc_timestamp_bot
[09:54:09] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Duplicated indexes (Postgres) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17581  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[10:03:09] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r47535 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): OOPS, completely forgot to add new messages in r47469
[10:10:54] <kraut>	moin
[10:11:05] <Nikerabbit>	mauieon
[10:29:59] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r47536 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
[10:29:59] <CIA-60>	Per siebrand and Nikerabbit (tweak for r47535):
[10:29:59] <CIA-60>	* Reworded movesubpagetext to include the number of subpages
[10:29:59] <CIA-60>	* Fix spelling error in movesnoubpage
[10:29:59] <CIA-60>	* Allow plural in movesubpage
[10:31:42] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r47537 10/trunk/extensions/CommunityVoice/Modules/Ratings.php: Number formatting in 'communityvoice-ratings-scale-stats'
[10:42:46] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Hide legende on Special:Specialpages from non-privileged users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17585 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (bugzilla.wikimedia)
[10:55:41] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r47538 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: Fix for r47482: put the RELEASE-NOTES entry in the "bug fixes" section and not the "API" one
[10:56:44] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Doesn't correctly handle raw HTML returned by SkinTemplate::buildSidebar() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17586 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: DumpHTML; (ThomasBleher)
[10:57:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Data returned by buildSidebar() is in wrong format - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17413  (10ThomasBleher)
[11:01:12] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) alias __TOC__ to {{TOC}} or {{#TOC}} - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17587 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (bugzilla.wikimedia)
[11:09:25] <CIA-60>	03simetrical * r47539 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Title.php: 
[11:09:25] <CIA-60>	Profile Title::getLinkUrl()
[11:09:25] <CIA-60>	Linker::linkUrl() is >100us, it seems, and a lot of that might be
[11:09:25] <CIA-60>	Title::getLinkUrl(). (RC on enwiki with 500 rows takes 6s to generate,
[11:09:26] <CIA-60>	and 2s is spent on Linker::link().)
[11:16:10] <CIA-60>	03nad * r47540 10/trunk/extensions/RecordAdmin/RecordAdmin_body.php: make search form have recordadmin class attribute
[11:16:33] <Nikerabbit>	hi Simetrical 
[11:16:56] <Simetrical>	Hi.
[11:22:05] <CIA-60>	03nad * r47541 10/trunk/extensions/RecordAdmin/RecordAdmin_body.php: the introduction of the pipeList function on line 38 breaks it on <1.13
[11:55:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wikitext in list items written in HTML not properly parsed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10893  (10jonathan)
[12:04:05] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r47542 10/trunk/extensions/ClientSide/ClientSide.php: 
[12:04:05] <CIA-60>	Add basic header based on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ClientSide. Apparently used as a dependency for extension CommunityVoice.
[12:04:05] <CIA-60>	This is really badly documented and not something to be taken as an example.
[12:17:59] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Something wrong - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17588 minor; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (marun2)
[12:26:54] <Nikerabbit>	hi
[12:28:08] <Splarka>	"Something wrong" ...
[12:28:14] <Splarka>	"nice" bug summary
[12:31:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Content issue with bullet in IE7 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17588  summary (10p858snake)
[12:31:25] <p858snake>	there Splarka :p
[12:31:39] <Splarka>	[[
[12:31:40] <Splarka>	== <ref>Technology Provider</ref>]] ==
[12:31:42] <p858snake>	although i don't have IE7 so i can't actually check
[12:31:45] <Splarka>	they were complaining about vandalism
[12:31:57] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Micro-blogging&oldid=272026318#.5B4.5D.5D.5D
[12:32:21] <p858snake>	i will close it then
[12:34:07] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Content issue with bullet in IE7 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17588  +comment (10p858snake)
[12:47:32] <SunstarNWXP>	Hi there, my wiki's got some interwiki problems
[12:49:06] <SunstarNWXP>	anyone able to help?
[12:49:27] <saper>	 some details?
[12:50:00] <SunstarNWXP>	Userrights-interwiki works, but the links are redlinked, unlike http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=&year=&month=-1
[12:50:48] <wassam>	witch server is number one for meadiawiki?
[12:50:50] <Duesentrieb>	Uh, docs for the abuse filter seem very incokm,plete#
[12:50:56] <Duesentrieb>	where can i see which variables exist?
[12:51:13] <saper>	Duesentrieb: use the source, Luke :)
[12:51:18] <wassam>	goddady not good
[12:51:41] <Duesentrieb>	saper: this thing is to go live soon and is suipposed to be used by "normal" admins.
[12:51:47] <Duesentrieb>	using the source is not an option there
[12:51:53] <wassam>	witch server is number one for meadiawiki? goddady not good
[12:51:55] <Duesentrieb>	i'm not talking abotu php variables...
[12:51:57] <SunstarNWXP>	Duesentrieb, do you know how to fix it?
[12:52:16] <saper>	Duesentrieb: then it should not go, easy
[12:52:44] <SunstarNWXP>	saper, why does WMF's wikis show interwiki links in the user rights log but mine doesn't?
[12:53:18] <Duesentrieb>	SunstarNWXP: is your interwiki table what you want it to be? also, for interwiki rights, entries should be makred local, i think
[12:53:24] <wassam>	witch server is number one for meadiawiki? goddady not good
[12:53:28] <Splarka>	SunstarNWXP: try http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=&year=&month=-1 with javascript disabled
[12:53:49] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r47543 10/trunk/phase3/ (includes/Article.php languages/messages/MessagesEn.php): 
[12:53:50] <CIA-60>	Move <div>...</div> from message to program code for consistency with other stylings.
[12:53:50] <CIA-60>	Other languages will be updated by Translatewiki
[12:54:53] <SunstarNWXP>	Is there a javascript needed to do this, if so, please can someone post it to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Sunstar NW XP/interwiki js
[12:55:33] <SunstarNWXP>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Sunstar_NW_XP/Interwiki_js 
[12:55:50] <Splarka>	you'd have to write your own
[12:55:59] <Splarka>	the one on meta is very customized to the WMF interwiki setup
[12:56:07] <Splarka>	(though you could use it as a template)
[12:56:45] <Splarka>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js/interlinker.js
[12:56:56] <SunstarNWXP>	Splarka, I use the Interwiki extension written by phroziac, I added my wikis to it
[12:57:17] <Splarka>	I mean
[12:57:21] <Splarka>	if you look at that page
[12:57:29] <Splarka>	var wikimedia = /^(advisory|auditcom|board|chair|chapcom|collab|comcom|commons|exec|grants|incubator|internal|meta|office|otrs wiki|quality|spcom|species|wikimaniateam|wikimania200[5-9])wiki$/;
[12:57:39] <Splarka>	you'll see it is set up for wikimedia wikis
[12:57:41] <Splarka>	brb
[12:58:14] <SunstarNWXP>	enwiki is the code for one of my wikis, where would I need to change it for non-Wikimedia
[12:59:19] <Splarka>	so you could use the botton half, but the top would have to follow whatever rules you needed it to follow
[12:59:55] <Splarka>	and you'd wanna remove some stuff like 'global'
[13:00:13] <Splarka>	unless you have a toolserver with sulutil.php installed
[13:00:59] <Splarka>	I rewrote that version, but mostly to flesh out the dom methods, most of the logic was already there and I didn't mess with it
[13:01:00] <SunstarNWXP>	I removed the global stuff
[13:01:10] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r47544 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ChangesList.php: 
[13:01:10] <CIA-60>	* Add some profiling
[13:01:10] <CIA-60>	* Set the title for the revision created in ChangesList::insertRollback() so that it doesn't need an extra query to fecth it
[13:01:25] <Splarka>	k
[13:02:15] <SunstarNWXP>	can you please check http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Sunstar_NW_XP/Interwiki_js for me
[13:03:17] <Splarka>	ick
[13:03:21] *Splarka 	wraps it in <source>
[13:03:59] <Splarka>	or not
[13:04:11] <SunstarNWXP>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Sunstar_NW_XP/Interwiki.js is the proper page
[13:04:24] <Splarka>	I think you removed too much
[13:05:15] <Splarka>	the middle is what iterates the <li> and changes the <a>
[13:06:11] <SunstarNWXP>	OK, i reverted it, what now?
[13:06:45] <Duesentrieb>	hm... since redirects work for categories now, renaming them could also be allowed, no?=
[13:08:01] <Splarka>	SunstarNWXP: well, lets start with a list of the DB prefixes on your wiki, and the corresponding URLs 
[13:08:22] <Splarka>	you can't just magically make an interwiki linker that always works
[13:08:47] <Splarka>	do you just have language variants? do you have a central wiki, meta wikis, peripheral projects?
[13:08:59] <SunstarNWXP>	Splarka, my DB prefixes are metawiki, enwiki and autocarwiki
[13:09:15] <SunstarNWXP>	It's a wiki farm of 3 wikis on localhost
[13:09:27] <Splarka>	then you can probably just use a switch()
[13:11:52] <Splarka>	hmm
[13:12:04] <Splarka>	is your content language english?
[13:12:14] <SunstarNWXP>	My content language is all english
[13:12:19] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r47545 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
[13:12:19] <CIA-60>	* Move leading space from 'trackbackremove' to 'trackback'/'trackbackexcerpt'
[13:12:30] <CIA-60>	* Some languages have removed the leading space already which leads to a wrong output
[13:12:30] <CIA-60>	* Make 'trackback'/'trackbackexcerpt' optional for Translatewiki as some languages need other spacing and/or punctuation marks
[13:13:33] <Splarka>	http://p.defau.lt/?OWZhMKQuY3hoktHDvL_Tbg
[13:13:36] <Splarka>	probably something like that
[13:13:51] <Splarka>	(where you fill in the URLHERE for each, yourself)
[13:15:33] <SunstarNWXP>	I filled in the URL, but it's not linking
[13:15:37] <SunstarNWXP>	on the logs
[13:16:54] <Splarka>	well, check your browser error console, try an alert() to see if it is actually loading, etc
[13:17:31] <Splarka>	and make sure you have put it in a .js that is actually being loaded
[13:17:34] <Splarka>	and have re-enabled js
[13:17:50] <Splarka>	> $wgAllowUserJs = true;
[13:22:00] <ialex>	Simetrical: r47539 ended in a lot of profiling errors
[13:23:10] <Nikerabbit>	humm?
[13:23:25] <SunstarNWXP>	my js isnt weorking
[13:23:26] <Nikerabbit>	what's the sudden need to profile? :D
[13:23:29] <SunstarNWXP>	isnt working
[13:27:03] <Sunstar>	My interwiki js isn't quite working!
[13:35:43] <CIA-60>	03catrope * r47546 10/tags/REL1_13_4/extensions/RecordAdmin/: Tagging RecordAdmin version compatible with 1.13.4. I know tags aren't supposed to be touched, but I believe this to be an exception.
[13:36:47] <Sunstarnwxp>	My interwiki JS isn't quite working; see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Sunstar_NW_XP/interwiki.js
[13:40:26] <Splarka>	add a } after default: return false;
[13:41:23] <CIA-60>	03catrope * r47547 10/trunk/extensions/RecordAdmin/RecordAdmin_body.php: 
[13:41:23] <CIA-60>	RecordAdmin: Reapply r47054 (migrate extensions to $wgLang->pipelist()) which
[13:41:23] <CIA-60>	was reverted twice before, in r47304 and in r47541 because of 1.13 compatibility
[13:41:33] <CIA-60>	issues. Now that a 1.13-compatible version has been tagged in r47546, it's safe
[13:41:33] <CIA-60>	to use 1.14-only functions in trunk.
[13:41:37] <Sunstarnwxp>	Splarka, there is already a } after return false;
[13:41:46] <Splarka>	yes, add another
[13:42:03] <Splarka>	    default: return false;
[13:42:03] <Splarka>	    }
[13:42:03] <Splarka>	  }
[13:42:48] <Sunstarnwxp>	http://pastebin.com/f73c6a9c6 splarka
[13:43:14] <Splarka>	no no...
[13:43:54] <Splarka>	http://p.defau.lt/?YcbR3IYQqU2QTB25BzFpAw
[13:43:55] <Sunstarnwxp>	OK, then, what's the right way? http://pastebin.com/f3f21de3a - 2nd go
[13:47:11] <CIA-60>	03catrope * r47548 10/trunk/extensions/Eval/.cvsignore: Delete .cvsignore file
[13:47:44] <CIA-60>	03daniel * r47549 10/trunk/WikiWord/WikiWordBuilder/src/main/java/de/brightbyte/wikiword/wikis/WikiConfiguration_dewiki.java: redirect localized for de
[13:49:14] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) SRF-Ploticus: Create Special page showing Semantic Statistics using plots/charts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17589 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticResultFormats; (mediawiki)
[13:54:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Don't add block log entry if no settings actually change - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16436  (10str4nd)
[13:54:16] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Don't add block log entry if no settings actually change - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16436  (10str4nd)
[13:56:38] <CIA-60>	03catrope * r47550 10/trunk/extensions/EditOwn/EditOwn.php: EditOwn: Fix double-tab indentation, break some long lines and don't use assignments inside if() conditions, return statements or other assignments. No functional changes in this commit.
[13:57:11] <CIA-60>	03tstarling * r47551 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/templates/NoLocalSettings.php): * (bug 17437) Fixed incorrect link to web-based installer
[13:59:02] <CIA-60>	03tstarling * r47552 10/branches/REL1_14/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/templates/NoLocalSettings.php): * (bug 17437) Fixed incorrect link to web-based installer
[13:59:34] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Wrong set up URL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17437  +comment (10tstarling)
[14:02:42] <CIA-60>	03catrope * r47553 10/trunk/extensions/EditOwn/EditOwn.php: EditOwn: Add $wgEditOwnActions, which makes it possible to extend EditOwn's restrictions to actions other than edit. For instance, to allow users to delete only their own pages, use $wgEditOwnActions[] = 'delete';
[14:08:26] <Simetrical>	ialex, d'oh, I'm an idiot.  Thanks, will fix.
[14:08:54] <ialex>	thank you :)
[14:11:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wikimedia contact form does not like + in the email address - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15624  (10mwpnl)
[14:13:52] <Simetrical>	ialex, does that fix?
[14:14:07] <CIA-60>	03simetrical * r47554 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Title.php: 
[14:14:13] <CIA-60>	Fix completely broken profiling change
[14:14:13] <CIA-60>	Thanks, Ialex. :)
[14:15:00] *ialex 	checks
[14:16:56] <ialex>	Simetrical: seems to be good!
[14:17:05] <Simetrical>	Okay, thanks.
[14:17:59] <CIA-60>	03tstarling * r47555 10/branches/REL1_14/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES config/index.php): * (bug 17527) Fixed missing MySQL-specific options in installer
[14:18:40] <CIA-60>	03tstarling * r47556 10/branches/REL1_13/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES config/index.php): * (bug 17527) Fixed missing MySQL-specific options in installer
[14:20:07] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) 1.12 and 1.13 Installs don't have a "prefix" MYSQL option (stable installer regression) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17527  +comment (10tstarling)
[14:20:21] <CIA-60>	03catrope * r47557 10/trunk/extensions/EditOwn/CHANGELOG: EditOwn: Update CHANGELOG for r47553
[14:21:17] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Bugzilla won't show patches - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17539  +comment (10tstarling)
[14:22:30] <TimStarling>	ok, was that everything blocking a 1.13/1.14 release?
[14:23:40] <ialex>	1.14 release? \o/
[14:26:28] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Thumbnail script doesn't work in PHP Safe Mode - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17041  +comment (10tstarling)
[14:26:29] <Nikerabbit>	Simetrical: do you remember offhand whether tooltips are parsed?
[14:29:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SVG to PNG conversion broken for text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17187  major->normal (10tstarling)
[14:30:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SVG rasterisation on Wikimedia sites (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8901  (10tstarling)
[14:30:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SVG to PNG conversion broken for text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17187  (10tstarling)
[14:38:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) new history compression class - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2310  (10tstarling)
[14:50:17] <CIA-60>	03tstarling * r47558 10/branches/REL1_13/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: Added missing release notes for r47171
[14:50:32] <Simetrical>	Nikerabbit, no.
[14:50:48] <Simetrical>	That is, I don't know offhand.
[14:57:20] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r47559 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/MediaWikiExtensions.php: Update WMF list
[15:00:07] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Wikimedia contact form does not like + in the email address - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15624  +comment (10tstarling)
[15:02:47] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r47560 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Proper i18n for 'exporttext'
[15:24:45] <SunstarNWXP>	CentralAuth gives me an error
[15:25:13] <SunstarNWXP>	the following error happens:(SQL query hidden) from within function "MediaWikiBagOStuff::_doquery". MySQL returned error "1146: Table 'centralauth.objectcache' doesn't exist (localhost)".
[15:25:21] <mitixi>	hi, i use fckeditor and its capability to use a linking window. it is nice when you type a part of page name (string) and editor returns a list of pages that have that string in their name. But it looks like this function works only for the main namespace. Am I right or is there a chance that this editor function would work in custom namespaces I have?
[15:25:44] <RoanKattouw>	SunstarNWXP: That means you either didn't configure it right or didn't run the script that creates the database tables
[15:25:46] <RoanKattouw>	(see documentation)
[15:27:54] <SunstarNWXP>	roan, I've had a look at centralauth
[15:30:05] <SunstarNWXP>	I can't get objectcache to work
[15:40:54] <proppy1>	Hi, I think we spotted an api bug, http://bitbucket.org/proppy/wikipediasync/src/8139bf51a5f9/wikipediasync.py, look at test_revisions_query_rvstartid_bug
[15:41:11] <RoanKattouw>	proppy1: Is that the one with combining rvend and rvstartid?
[15:41:27] <proppy1>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&titles=Apple&rvprop=ids|user|timestamp&rvdir=newer&format=jsonfm&rvlimit=2
[15:41:33] <proppy1>	and
[15:41:51] <proppy1>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&titles=Apple&rvprop=ids|user|timestamp&rvdir=newer&format=jsonfm&rvlimit=2&rvstartid=234474
[15:41:54] <proppy1>	are different
[15:42:28] <RoanKattouw>	proppy1: WTF, you're right. Apparently it sorts in ascending order, it shouldn't do that
[15:42:56] <proppy1>	phe on #wikimedia-fr spotted that this part of the code
[15:42:57] <proppy1>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiQueryRevisions.php?revision=47450&content-type=text%2Fplain 
[15:43:07] <proppy1>	     # // This code makes an assumption that sorting by rev_id and rev_timestamp produces         # // the same result.
[15:43:17] <proppy1>	and it seems that is false
[15:43:22] <proppy1>	at least for very old revision
[15:43:31] <RoanKattouw>	proppy1: No, that's not what it is about
[15:43:44] <RoanKattouw>	It's about the API sorting in the wrong direction
[15:43:59] <proppy1>	how so ?
[15:44:03] <proppy1>	you mean for revid ?
[15:44:06] <proppy1>	oups revdir ?
[15:44:36] <proppy1>	RoanKattouw: by the way it using revstartid when doing the first request
[15:44:51] <proppy1>	and use query-continue
[15:45:04] <proppy1>	you find 4582 revisions for Apple articles
[15:45:06] <RoanKattouw>	proppy1: Add &rvdir=older for now as a workaround
[15:45:17] <RoanKattouw>	proppy1: Oh wait
[15:45:18] <proppy1>	while you find 4600 if not using revstartid for the first request
[15:45:19] <RoanKattouw>	It's not a bug
[15:45:31] <RoanKattouw>	You added rvdir=newer yourself, which means it sorts from old to new
[15:45:36] <RoanKattouw>	So it does exactly what you want
[15:45:40] <proppy1>	yep, that's what I want
[15:45:47] <RoanKattouw>	(or at least, that's what you asked)
[15:46:01] <RoanKattouw>	What's wrong then? The request seems to do exactly what you wanted
[15:46:11] <proppy1>	if you look closely 234474 timestamp: 2001-10-24T01:47:59Z
[15:46:27] <proppy1>	is < to 87525 timestamp 2002-02-25T15:43:11Z
[15:46:41] <RoanKattouw>	proppy1: Link?
[15:46:46] <proppy1>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&titles=Apple&rvprop=ids|user|timestamp&rvdir=newer&format=jsonfm&rvlimit=2&rvstartid=234474
[15:46:50] <proppy1>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&titles=Apple&rvprop=ids|user|timestamp&rvdir=newer&format=jsonfm&rvlimit=2
[15:46:54] <proppy1>	the latter
[15:46:58] <proppy1>	-t
[15:47:15] <proppy1>	I don't understand why the two request don't produce the same result
[15:47:16] <proppy1>	do you ?
[15:47:36] <RoanKattouw>	Yes, because one orders by timestamp and the other one by revid
[15:47:45] <RoanKattouw>	(I think)
[15:48:23] <proppy1>	ah 
[15:48:24] <proppy1>	I see
[15:48:24] <proppy1>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&titles=Apple&rvprop=ids|user|timestamp&rvdir=newer&format=jsonfm&rvlimit=2&rvstartid=87525
[15:48:26] <RoanKattouw>	Yes, the latter sorts by timestamp
[15:48:34] <RoanKattouw>	And when you set rvstartid, it switches to sorting by revid
[15:48:43] <RoanKattouw>	Which causes trouble when the orders don't match up
[15:48:43] <proppy1>	RoanKattouw: so is there a way to know the first revid of a page ?
[15:49:19] <RoanKattouw>	proppy1: Depends on your definition of first
[15:49:27] <RoanKattouw>	First as in lowest timestamp, or lowest revid
[15:49:33] <Splarka>	for action=history it just goes by timestamp, right?
[15:50:00] <Splarka>	note that for edits deleted before revisions were given IDs, when they get undeleted they are given new IDs, and can appear as older edits with higher revids
[15:50:11] <proppy1>	either would do I'm trying to fetch the whole history of a page
[15:50:12] *RoanKattouw 	wonders how action=history pages
[15:50:23] <Splarka>	so never go by revid for the proper order
[15:50:48] <Splarka>	long time no yurik
[15:50:56] <proppy1>	RoanKattouw: the downside of iterating by timestamp is that you don't get the query-continue link
[15:50:57] <RoanKattouw>	proppy1: The lowest timestamp is your second request. To get the lowest revid, use &rvstartid=0 (that's a hack)
[15:51:05] *Splarka 	puts RoanKattouw and yurikny in APIDome, two dev enter, one dev leave...
[15:51:17] <RoanKattouw>	Splarka: That may be true, but how the hell are we gonna page by timestamp?
[15:51:27] <flyingparchment>	RoanKattouw: same way the history page does it?
[15:51:27] <Splarka>	blame domas, of course
[15:51:33] *RoanKattouw 	looks
[15:51:37] <yurikny>	hi :)
[15:51:58] <flyingparchment>	RoanKattouw: just select where xx_timestamp > whatever
[15:52:03] <flyingparchment>	and replace 'whatever' with the last timestamp
[15:52:16] <flyingparchment>	although >= whatever might be better to avoid losing revs
[15:52:17] <RoanKattouw>	flyingparchment: Yes, I know how to page. The point is that revs can potentially have the same timestamp
[15:52:24] <yurikny>	just dropping by to say hi :)
[15:52:29] <flyingparchment>	then why did you ask? :)
[15:52:33] <RoanKattouw>	Which is exactly why yurikny got prop=revisions to start paging by revid as soon as possible
[15:52:34] <proppy1>	RoanKattouw: so for iterating by timestamp I use revisions[-1]["revtimestamp"] as "revstart" of the following request
[15:52:41] <Splarka>	timestamp|revid ? heh
[15:52:51] <RoanKattouw>	proppy1: It should set a query-continue
[15:53:16] <RoanKattouw>	Splarka: Hmm, that might work. There's no index that covers both, but we won't really need it
[15:53:20] <proppy1>	RoanKattouw: I thought query-continue was setting a revstartid not a revstart
[15:53:21] <proppy1>	checking
[15:53:36] <RoanKattouw>	proppy1: If you're using rvstart/rvend, it'll set rvstart
[15:53:46] <RoanKattouw>	So if you just use, e.g. rvstart=1 ...
[15:54:18] <RoanKattouw>	Actually not a bad idea, I'll work on that
[15:54:18] <proppy1>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&titles=Apple&rvprop=ids|user|timestamp&rvdir=newer&format=jsonfm&rvlimit=100&rvstart=2002-02-10T21:55:44Z
[15:54:35] <proppy1>	it sets 	"query-continue": { 		"revisions": { 			"rvstartid": 2721077 		} 	} 
[15:54:42] <proppy1>	and then you go back to the ordering problem
[15:54:48] <RoanKattouw>	proppy1: Yeah. IIRC I fixed that on trunk
[15:54:51] <RoanKattouw>	But the fix isn't live yet
[15:55:14] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Problems rendering pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17590 minor; normal; Wikipedia Mobile: iphone; (asmarin)
[15:55:26] <proppy1>	RoanKattouw: ah :)
[15:55:40] <Splarka>	brion got back just in time to sync two weeks worth of commits, fix all the bugs they caused due to lack of time to review them all, and then got sick
[15:55:46] <buzz__>	1.14 stable for release yet ?
[15:55:52] *Splarka 	guesses another 2 weeks of "winter" (unscap)
[15:56:10] <RoanKattouw>	buzz__: No, 1.14.0rc1 is out however
[15:56:14] <SunstarNWXP>	I'm having trouble with CentralAuth; it works, but to a degree
[15:56:20] <SunstarNWXP>	I can't configure global groups
[15:56:48] <buzz__>	RoanKattouw, yeh. im running that, and there is a nice fix in 1.14 . but i thought to wait rather that upgrade to the current revision
[15:56:56] <buzz__>	i mean a nice fix since rc1
[15:57:01] <RoanKattouw>	buzz__: Well 1.14 *should* be released soon.
[15:57:03] *RoanKattouw 	glares at TimStarling
[15:57:06] <buzz__>	hehe
[15:58:17] <RoanKattouw>	Eek, action=history pages by timestamp alone, causes nice paging bugs when two revs have the same timestamp
[15:58:24] <RoanKattouw>	(which can also occur when merging histories)
[15:58:27] <proppy1>	RoanKattouw: so default ordering is by timestamp, and just to be sure I should use revstart = 1
[15:58:40] <flyingparchment>	RoanKattouw: the version i wrote didn't cause any bugs, since it used >=
[15:58:47] <SunstarNWXP>	roankattuow, my centralauth doesn't quite work!
[15:58:50] <RoanKattouw>	proppy1: Yes, it will be when my fix goes live
[15:59:03] <RoanKattouw>	flyingparchment: It lists certain revisions twice. Humans don't mind, but bots do
[15:59:12] <RoanKattouw>	(only in case of timestamp collisions of course)
[15:59:16] <flyingparchment>	RoanKattouw: that's not a bug.  bots don't use the history page
[15:59:26] <proppy1>	and until now, I shoud use rvstart = newrevisions[-1]["timestamp"] for the next request
[15:59:32] <RoanKattouw>	I know, just saying the API will have to do better
[15:59:37] <proppy1>	instead of ["query-continue"] revstartid
[15:59:41] <RoanKattouw>	proppy1: Yes
[15:59:52] <proppy1>	and discard similar ids
[15:59:57] <proppy1>	RoanKattouw: thanks a lot :)
[16:00:10] <SunstarNWXP>	*help
[16:00:21] <proppy1>	RoanKattouw: could you gimme the bug id of your commit ?
[16:00:37] <proppy1>	I'll watch it until it goes live
[16:00:42] <RoanKattouw>	proppy1: bug 17529 / r47450
[16:00:53] <RoanKattouw>	Note that Special:Version is misleading in this case
[16:01:10] <CIA-60>	03rotem * r47561 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Localization update for he.
[16:01:21] <proppy1>	RoanKattouw: also I found no way to know the number of revisions of a page
[16:01:25] <proppy1>	(via the API)
[16:01:36] <RoanKattouw>	proppy1: There isn't one. Too hard on the database
[16:01:52] <proppy1>	oh ok :)
[16:01:53] <Splarka>	heh
[16:02:01] <Splarka>	go to oldest and diff (cur)
[16:02:09] <Splarka>	"X intermediate revisions not shown" and add 2
[16:02:21] <Splarka>	(is the only easy way I know, and it sucks)
[16:02:55] <SunstarNWXP>	Anyone able to help with centralauth?
[16:02:59] <RoanKattouw>	Splarka: Try that one an article with very many revisions, probably slow
[16:03:10] <proppy1>	Splarka: thanks for the tip
[16:03:12] <Splarka>	well
[16:03:17] <Splarka>	the problem is, it is hard to tell how slow
[16:03:21] <proppy1>	the only way I found is to ask on https://jira.toolserver.org/browse/DBQ-57
[16:03:22] <proppy1>	before that
[16:03:30] <Splarka>	the articles with the most revisions are often usually the largest
[16:03:42] <Splarka>	so you're also diffing about a meg of plain text, even with &diffonly=true
[16:05:44] <RoanKattouw>	Splarka: True. As a test case, you could create a top revision identical to the first one ;)
[16:05:55] <SunstarNWXP>	Splarka, how do I get CentralAuth to work with user groups?
[16:08:05] <Splarka>	SunstarNWXP: no idea
[16:08:31] <Splarka>	Roan: sure, go do that on [[en:George W. Bush]], I'll watch
[16:09:58] <proppy1>	Splarka: (4580 intermediate revisions not shown)
[16:10:11] <proppy1>	I'm pretty sure there is 4600
[16:10:46] <proppy1>	but if counting from the oldest revision and ordering by revids
[16:10:49] <SunstarNWXP>	Anyone know how to deal with CentralAuth for global groups?
[16:10:52] <proppy1>	there is only 4582
[16:11:15] <proppy1>	because it discards newer revision with lower revids
[16:11:30] <proppy1>	RoanKattouw: would it be fixed also by your fixes ?
[16:11:44] <proppy1>	'(* intermediate revisions not shown)' not being accurate
[16:11:49] <CIA-60>	03nikerabbit * r47562 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/specials/SpecialSpecialpages.php): * (bug 17585) Hide legend on Special:Specialpages from non-privileged users
[16:11:50] <RoanKattouw>	proppy1: It *is* accurate
[16:12:02] <proppy1>	really ?
[16:12:03] <RoanKattouw>	It's always two less than the actual number, but that's normal
[16:12:10] <Splarka>	proppy1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MostRevisions > George W. Bush ?(33,566 revisions)
[16:12:22] <Splarka>	but I meant, temporarily set it to the earliest revision
[16:12:57] <proppy1>	RoanKattouw: the actual number is 4600 not 4582 according to the db
[16:13:14] <Splarka>	when was it 33k?
[16:13:20] <proppy1>	RoanKattouw: yep minus 2 because it doesn't count the two revision which are diffed
[16:13:22] <RoanKattouw>	proppy1: That may be because your DB query mistakenly counts deleted revisions
[16:13:50] <RoanKattouw>	Splarka: Before it was moved maybe? You know the data on those special pages is quite old
[16:13:53] <proppy1>	RoanKattouw: that's also the number I found (4600) when iterating throught timestamp 
[16:13:53] <CIA-60>	03nikerabbit * r47563 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/ (4 files): * Small cleanups
[16:14:00] <Splarka>	yah
[16:14:17] <RoanKattouw>	hmm well the API also lists deleted revisions
[16:14:23] <RoanKattouw>	Dunno how the UI handles that
[16:14:37] <RoanKattouw>	But whatever's going wrong there, I'm not gonna touch it
[16:14:48] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Hide legende on Special:Specialpages from non-privileged users - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17585  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[16:16:35] <proppy1>	RoanKattouw: it does look like it took the oldest revision by timestamp and count by ascending revstartid after that, but I may be mistaked
[16:17:16] <RoanKattouw>	proppy1: If you want to ensure a correct count, just sort and continue by revid all the way
[16:19:07] <SunstarNWXP>	I've got a problem, which is hard to do
[16:19:29] <proppy1>	RoanKattouw: like that http://bitbucket.org/proppy/wikipediasync/changeset/be048155f664/ test_revisions_query_by_ids ?
[16:20:26] <proppy1>	RoanKattouw: thanks for your insights anyway
[16:21:14] <RoanKattouw>	proppy1: No problem. Code looks good
[16:27:43] <proppy1>	RoanKattouw: I looked at countRevisionsBetween code in Title.php
[16:28:02] <proppy1>	                        ' AND rev_id > ' . intval( $old ) .
[16:28:02] <proppy1>	                        ' AND rev_id < ' . intval( $new ),
[16:28:11] <proppy1>	it doesn't seems ordering by timestam
[16:28:12] <proppy1>	p
[16:28:36] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah that's funky
[16:28:39] <proppy1>	where revids supposed to be ordered in time ?
[16:28:48] <RoanKattouw>	Not necessarilt
[16:29:01] <proppy1>	because they looks like so, and sometimes they aren't
[16:29:10] <proppy1>	RoanKattouw: does it needs a bug report or a patch ?
[16:29:10] <RoanKattouw>	The order might be slightly off when the wiki is under high load due to slave lag
[16:29:22] <RoanKattouw>	But when two histories are merged, stuff gets really weird
[16:29:42] <RoanKattouw>	Well diff navigation uses revid IIRC
[16:29:54] <RoanKattouw>	I don't know which (id or timestamp) is the right thing to order by here
[16:30:46] <proppy1>	ah ok, I thought it would be timestamp because of the "between" message
[16:30:58] <proppy1>	s/between/intermediate
[16:31:08] <proppy1>	but you're right it could be id as well
[16:31:11] <proppy1>	sorry for the noise ;)
[16:31:34] <proppy1>	the thing is the pagehistory is showing revision by timestamp it seems
[16:40:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Grant noratelimit right to the editor group in the Hungarian Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14716  summary; +comment (10gtisza)
[16:47:06] <proppy1>	RoanKattouw: here is a tentative patch to order by timestamp, let me know if I can submit it anywhere for review http://pastebin.com/m35181822
[16:47:16] <RoanKattouw>	proppy1: bugzilla.wikimedia.org
[16:47:35] <RoanKattouw>	proppy1: You should use getTimestamp() instead of mTimestamp
[16:48:16] <proppy1>	RoanKattouw: yep, I was not sure how to convert it to fill the db then
[16:48:21] <RoanKattouw>	Also, you should change Title::countRevisionsBetween()'s docs (if that function even has docs) to reflect that $old and $new are timestamps now
[16:48:31] <RoanKattouw>	proppy1: You did that right with $dbr->timestamp()
[16:49:11] <RoanKattouw>	And you dropped the code swapping old and new if old happens to be > new , which should be put back in
[16:49:28] <proppy1>	does it also work for timestamp ?
[16:49:30] <RoanKattouw>	And you should change the USE INDEX PRIMARY thing to USE INDEX rev_timestamp
[16:49:33] <RoanKattouw>	proppy1: Yes
[16:49:43] <proppy1>	I was thinking that as they are picked from the page history
[16:49:48] <proppy1>	they are necessary ordered
[16:49:55] <RoanKattouw>	Not necessarily
[16:50:00] <proppy1>	ok changing
[16:53:04] <proppy1>	http://pastebin.com/f73f21af8
[16:53:11] <proppy1>	RoanKattouw: ^
[16:54:49] <RoanKattouw>	proppy1: Looks good. I suggest you go open a bug at http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/ and attach it to it
[16:55:04] <proppy1>	yep filling it right now
[16:55:08] <RoanKattouw>	I'd commit it, but I'm not really qualified to say whether this patch does the right thing
[16:55:35] <RoanKattouw>	(that is, whether we *should* change this from id to timestamp)
[16:58:21] <RoanKattouw>	buzz__: I was just reading and deleting old e-mails; did you and Carl Beckhorn merge your MediaWiki::API libraries as he suggested?
[17:06:52] <proppy1>	RoanKattouw: done https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17591
[17:07:00] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) diff engine should use timestamps instead of revids to count revisions between diffed versions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17591 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: History/Diffs; (proppy)
[17:07:46] <RoanKattouw>	proppy1: Looks good
[17:11:21] <buzz__>	RoanKattouw, didnt work out. but my library is now used as a base for a higher level library
[17:11:39] <RoanKattouw>	OK, just out of curiosity
[17:12:10] <buzz__>	his library is still better in some ways. i coded mine for selfish reasons (I wanted to use it for something) :)
[17:13:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Images can't have far future expires - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17577  (10innocentkiller)
[17:13:42] <buzz__>	my documentation is better ;-)
[17:15:33] <Terminus2>	Hello, does anyone have any idea why all of a sudden half the files imported into the wiki by the import script shows up as not existing, despite the "recent changes" shows it being uploaded.
[17:16:37] <Terminus2>	And oddly enough its only the first 70 images of a series that doesn't work. the rest (even though randomly uploaded) works
[17:17:56] <CIA-60>	03simetrical * r47564 10/trunk/phase3/CREDITS: Credits for r47551
[17:18:11] <Terminus2>	The files are there, because when not force uploading it says the files exists
[17:20:03] <CIA-60>	03simetrical * r47565 10/branches/REL1_14/phase3/CREDITS: Credits for r47552
[17:28:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:RevisionDelete should update once an action is applied - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17440  +comment (10FT2.wiki)
[17:53:02] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r47566 10/trunk/extensions/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
[17:53:02] <CIA-60>	* Add extension PasswordStrength to Translatewiki
[17:53:02] <CIA-60>	* Rebuild i18n file
[17:55:10] *werdnum 	waves
[18:02:57] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r47567 10/trunk/extensions/PasswordStrength/PasswordStrength.php: formatNum for numbers
[18:17:46] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r47568 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FRCacheUpdate.php FlaggedRevs.hooks.php): 
[18:17:46] <CIA-60>	* Updated FRCacheUpdate to work with r47317 and break inheritance
[18:17:46] <CIA-60>	* Don't use queue if there are less than a batch size worth of items
[18:17:46] <CIA-60>	* Improvements to insertJobs() ranges
[18:23:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Strict Standards: Declaration of FRCacheUpdate::insertJobs() should be compatible with that of HTMLCacheUpdate::insertJobs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17582  (10JSchulz_4587)
[18:24:24] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Strict Standards: Declaration of FRCacheUpdate::insertJobs() should be compatible with that of HTMLCacheUpdate::insertJobs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17582  (10JSchulz_4587)
[18:25:24] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) move nds to nds-de, newly create nds locale - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17592 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (wiki)
[18:30:14] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Allow password resets by bureaucrats in MediaWiki core - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15859  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[18:30:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:ChangePass: move password change form from Preferences, and add reset/usurp features - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15876  (10innocentkiller)
[18:30:31] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Auto-login fails after password reset - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10861  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[18:33:05] <Terminus2>	Seems like my request is getting buried by the announcements, can anyone help me?
[18:33:45] <RoanKattouw>	Terminus2: What was your request? I just joined
[18:34:09] <adrian15>	Hi Duesentrieb, I am trying to migrate my mediawiki to another site and after including the Poliglot extension (require_once sentence) I get a blank page. Can you please help me?
[18:34:18] <RoanKattouw>	!blankpage | adrian15 
[18:34:18] --mwbot--	adrian15: A blank page usually indicates a fatal PHP error. See !error
[18:34:40] <adrian15>	RoanKattouw: Thank you.
[18:34:43] <adrian15>	!error
[18:34:43] --mwbot--	For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_debug>.
[18:36:03] <CIA-60>	03demon * r47569 10/trunk/phase3/ (6 files in 5 dirs): 
[18:36:03] <CIA-60>	ChangePassword fixes:
[18:36:03] <CIA-60>	* (bug 15876) Allow on-wiki password resets. Needs 'reset-passwords' right, given by default to nobody (commented in DefaultSettings)
[18:36:03] <CIA-60>	* Stronger username checking. If we're not allowed to change other people's passwords, don't even attempt it
[18:36:54] <adrian15>	Duesentrieb: The error is: Undefined class name 'mwnamespace'
[18:37:03] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Special:ChangePass: move password change form from Preferences, and add reset/usurp features - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15876  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[18:37:11] <^demon>	\o/
[18:37:31] <siebrand>	^demon: "right-reset-passwords" message missing.
[18:39:15] <AaronSchulz>	brion: heya
[18:39:29] <^demon>	siebrand: Thanks.
[18:39:29] <brion>	oy
[18:39:43] <CIA-60>	03demon * r47570 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Needs rights-reset-password msg.
[18:40:14] *werdnum 	offers brion a blanket.
[18:40:19] <siebrand>	brion: we got word you might be ill.
[18:40:29] <brion>	awww
[18:41:08] *^demon 	FedEx's some tomato soup
[18:41:52] <brion>	om nom nom nom
[18:42:52] <Terminus2>	Hello, does anyone have any idea why all of a sudden half the files imported into the wiki by the import script shows up as not existing, despite the "recent changes" shows it being uploaded.
[18:43:28] <werdnum>	Is this a wikimedia wiki?
[18:43:34] <Terminus2>	yes
[18:43:50] *siebrand 	kicks ^demon
[18:43:58] <siebrand>	Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_STRING, expecting ')' in /var/www/w/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php on line 1711
[18:44:04] <Terminus2>	Its only the first 70 images that doesn't show up.
[18:44:16] <MrZ-man>	'Reset other users' passwords',
[18:44:25] <Terminus2>	The script says they're succesfully imported and the wiki shows them as being imported in the recent changes
[18:44:43] <Terminus2>	But if you click on it, it says it has no such file
[18:44:48] <werdnum>	We should add php -l as a post-commit hook
[18:45:10] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r47571 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Fix syntax error in r47570
[18:45:14] <siebrand>	that would be nice.
[18:45:25] <siebrand>	For .php files only, though :)
[18:46:22] <Terminus2>	wednum: http://l2.eogamer.com/wiki/Special:RecentChanges
[18:46:26] <^demon>	siebrand: See, I spent all that time making sure the actual feature was correct. Then you go and rain on my parade for i18n.
[18:46:47] <Terminus2>	Check the images Huntoftheblacklion1.jpg-69
[18:46:48] <Splarka>	^demon: hey, that was onna mine
[18:47:00] <siebrand>	^demon: gotta love me in my role as pain in the *** :)
[18:47:03] <Splarka>	^demon: does it directly change it or set it to a temporary one like the request-email-password?
[18:47:14] <^demon>	Directly.
[18:47:23] <Splarka>	dirty
[18:47:34] <siebrand>	^demon: in my defense: translatewiki.net already has $wgGroupPermissions['staff']['reset-passwords']     = true;
[18:47:48] <siebrand>	^demon: quite certain we are the first production site in the universe using this.
[18:48:01] <^demon>	Splarka: Well the page is "ChangePassword", not "GiveMeARandomPasswordViaEmail"
[18:48:06] <Splarka>	^demon: I think a secondary right like 'request-passwords' that just temporarily changes it, for manual usurpation, might be handy too
[18:48:08] <Splarka>	right
[18:48:13] <guillom>	I definitely love you, you know
[18:48:15] <Splarka>	but you do see some of my reasoning, right?
[18:48:27] <guillom>	I've been waiting for this feature for private wikimedia wikis for ages
[18:48:57] <Splarka>	also, "ChangePassword" is at the long end of a series of dirty aliases
[18:49:26] <^demon>	siebrand: Zero day :)
[18:49:31] <^demon>	guillom: You're welcome.
[18:49:58] <Splarka>	now fix my other bugs
[18:50:02] <guillom>	hehe
[18:50:08] <RoanKattouw_away>	adrian15: Your version of MW isn't recent enough
[18:50:12] <Splarka>	action=raw content disposition, slash parameter JS variable, 
[18:50:28] <^demon>	Splarka: Makes sense I suppose. But the core 'reset-passwords' is disabled by default, so no worries :)
[18:50:32] <siebrand>	^demon: is there a way to enter a user name in the UI? Special:ChangePassword will give 'me' (non-editable username field). ChangePassword/Username will give me an editable field for username, but I have to enter the URL manually.
[18:50:45] <Splarka>	^demon: finefine, be that way *gives cookie grudgingly*
[18:50:46] <^demon>	siebrand: Yeah one moment.
[18:51:10] <Splarka>	?user=BOB && /BOB = <3
[18:51:17] <Splarka>	or whatever checkuser userses
[18:51:32] <siebrand>	^demon: hmm, I see. There's a different in 'current pass' being editable or not.
[18:51:35] <siebrand>	difference, even
[18:51:40] <^demon>	It wasn't using $par yet, I added it to the wgRequest.
[18:52:07] <^demon>	siebrand: Old pass isn't required for resetting someone else, as you concievably do not know it anyway.
[18:52:16] *siebrand 	nods.
[18:52:41] <^demon>	It's more for locking out accounts by password and/or "help somone has my password and change it and the e-mail"
[18:53:35] <Splarka>	and usurpation without annoying rename
[18:53:57] <Splarka>	though there is the prob of privacy, like an email addy that was filled in but not confirmed
[18:55:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New 404 error page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17316  (10dotcom)
[18:57:18] <^demon>	siebrand: Fixed.
[18:57:27] <CIA-60>	03demon * r47572 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialResetpass.php: Make name box enabled/disabled based on right to use it, not on whether we're changing ourself.
[18:58:32] <luna6>	hello on the monobook sidebar if I wanted to have the "navigation" & "toolbox" set with a colored background like on http://lyricwiki.org ...would someone know where (main.css?) that is done?
[19:00:29] <Splarka>	!css
[19:00:29] --mwbot--	To change styles for your wiki, go to one of the MediaWiki:xxx.css wiki page (NOT a file) and put your custom styles there (sysop/admin rights required). MediaWiki:Common.css is for all skins and should be used for content styles. MediaWiki:Monobook.css is for the MonoBook skin (default), etc. For more information, see !skins and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skin_configuration>
[19:01:00] <luna6>	ahh maybe common.css
[19:01:05] <luna6>	thanks i will have a look
[19:02:12] <adrian15>	What should I do if even having added error_reporting(E_ALL); ini_set("display_errors", 1);  I still get a blank page ?
[19:02:15] <Splarka>	well, if you're changing the UI you wanna change the SKINNAME.css and not common
[19:02:33] <Splarka>	MediaWiki:Monobook.css  and then the portlets in question like #p-navigation {}
[19:02:38] <RoanKattouw_away>	adrian15: Did you add that on top of LocalSettings.php ?
[19:02:54] <luna6>	ok I just wanted to modify my current theme and have that sidebar with "navigation" framed in a colored background
[19:03:40] <adrian15>	RoanKattouw_away: Yes, both LocalSettings.php and config/LocalSettings.php and after doing that at index.php
[19:03:52] <RoanKattouw_away>	adrian15: On *top*?
[19:03:58] <adrian15>	RoanKattouw_away: I add it just after the <?php not before.
[19:04:04] <RoanKattouw>	adrian15: That's good
[19:04:09] <RoanKattouw>	Are you on shared hosting?
[19:04:18] <adrian15>	RoanKattouw: Yes I am.
[19:04:39] <adrian15>	RoanKattouw: They offer me another version that works but I would like to migrate my own backup.
[19:04:41] <RoanKattouw>	Then your host has probably disallowed display_errors=1
[19:04:49] <adrian15>	RoanKattouw: No. That's the funny thing.
[19:05:16] <RoanKattouw>	Or it's disallowed ini_set() altogether
[19:05:26] <adrian15>	RoanKattouw: If I use their mediawiki (just another folder) and I use the display errors line and I try to load Polyglot the errors do happen.
[19:05:37] <adrian15>	RoanKattouw: The errors are shown.
[19:05:44] <RoanKattouw>	Can you paste them in the pastebin?
[19:05:46] <CIA-60>	03philip * r47573 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Update the Chinese conversion tables.
[19:06:19] <adrian15>	RoanKattouw: The errors are because I am using a version of Polyglot that it is not built for the Mediawiki my hosting offers.
[19:06:29] <RoanKattouw>	Ah
[19:06:56] <adrian15>	RoanKattouw: I am more interested in fixing whatever errors happen with my own-mediawiki-backup that has been transfered than the hosting-proposed mediawiki.
[19:07:08] <RoanKattouw>	adrian15: Can you check that those ini_set() and error_reporting() calls aren't overridden further down in LocalSettings.php?
[19:07:30] <adrian15>	RoanKattouw: What string should I look for, or how do I check it?
[19:07:44] <RoanKattouw>	ini_set or error_reporting
[19:07:50] <adrian15>	I have already done it.
[19:08:03] <adrian15>	RoanKattouw: They do not appear another time in the file.
[19:08:06] <RoanKattouw>	Ok
[19:08:31] <adrian15>	RoanKattouw: A question. Which file should I edit config/LocalSettings.php or LocalSettings.php or both?
[19:08:37] <RoanKattouw>	The latter
[19:08:51] <adrian15>	ok
[19:09:37] <adrian15>	RoanKattouw: Do you have any more ideas?
[19:12:05] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r47574 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.hooks.php: 
[19:12:05] <CIA-60>	* Don't throw away title cache fields unnecessarily
[19:12:05] <CIA-60>	* Avoid unneeded file fetches
[19:12:05] <CIA-60>	* Fixed $sha1 var handling
[19:12:05] <CIA-60>	* Broke some lines
[19:12:06] <CIA-60>	* Added some comments
[19:13:06] <AaronSchulz>	brion: hmm, r47568 might be important
[19:13:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Thumbnail script doesn't work in PHP Safe Mode - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17041  (10noels01)
[19:14:12] <brion>	heh
[19:15:22] <AaronSchulz>	brion: otherwise queue may throw fatals since a parent function is gone
[19:16:18] <AaronSchulz>	and I also want to see the affect of r47574 on the profile times
[19:16:31] <brion>	fun
[19:16:35] <werdnum>	Sounds like somebody wants something synced
[19:17:05] *brion 	peeks
[19:17:51] <AaronSchulz>	http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Code/MediaWiki/path&path=/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/
[19:32:04] <Marybelle>	^demon|applestor: Dude.
[19:38:49] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) black screen/endless lines of symbols - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17593 major; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (dustin.kight)
[19:45:27] <str4nd>	AaronSchulz, this should be easy: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16436#c2
[19:53:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Auto unit conversion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=235  +comment (10michaelj.walsh)
[20:00:37] *werdnum 	kicks CIA-60 
[20:00:37] <CIA-60>	ow
[20:00:57] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Split Oversight between oversight and hiderevision in special:globalgrouppermissions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16954  +comment (10Andrew)
[20:03:01] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r47575 10/trunk/extensions/Oversight/HideRevision.i18n.php: Change description for hiderevision right to be accurate
[20:04:04] <Marybelle>	^demon: Ping?
[20:04:24] <Marybelle>	I commented on the revision, but password changes _MUST_ be logged.
[20:04:37] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r47576 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (152 files): Localisation updates for core messages from translatewiki.net (2009-02-20 19:30 UTC)
[20:11:28] <CIA-60>	03rotem * r47577 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Localization update for he.
[20:16:54] <chuck>	For some reason, when I try to set the #default value in the switch ParserFunction, it outputs as an ordered list. I'm inside of a Mediawiki table ("{|" syntax), but the problem goes away when I use HTML syntax...
[20:17:03] <chuck>	Is there any way to fix this odd behavior?
[20:18:41] <Splarka>	chuck: minimum test case?
[20:18:50] <chuck>	huh?
[20:18:59] <CIA-60>	03rotem * r47578 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/language/ (checkLanguage.inc languages.inc): Language script: Extend variables check to cover also variables which should not be used.
[20:19:29] <Splarka>	chuck: can you show us a....
[20:20:39] <chuck>	http://meta.yourwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox
[20:21:26] <Splarka>	I don't see a #default
[20:21:34] <chuck>	http://meta.yourwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox&action=edit&oldid=1698
[20:22:10] <Splarka>	but that is more likely a symptom of your pounding
[20:24:04] <CIA-60>	03rotem * r47579 10/branches/REL1_14/phase3/maintenance/language/ (checkLanguage.inc languages.inc): Backport (for checking the last localization updates for 1.14): Language script: Extend variables check to cover also variables which should not be used.
[20:25:18] <Splarka>	chuck: that is a bug in magic words and parser functions being treated as the start of a new line to the parser
[20:25:32] <Splarka>	and nothing to do with using #default
[20:25:36] <Splarka>	that is your {{p}}
[20:26:07] <chuck>	but removing the #default fixes it
[20:26:27] <RoanKattouw>	chuck: That doesn't necessarily mean it's the cause ;)
[20:26:35] <Splarka>	nope...
[20:26:38] <Splarka>	also #default is optional
[20:26:44] <Splarka>	{|
[20:26:44] <Splarka>	|style="background-color:{{#switch:{{CURRENTHOUR}}|20=#ffccff|#ccffff}}"| a
[20:26:44] <Splarka>	|}
[20:27:00] <Splarka>	the easiest fix is to move the pound outside
[20:27:07] <Splarka>	|style="background-color:#{{#switch:{{CURRENTHOUR}}|20=ffccff|ccffff}}"| a
[20:27:19] <Splarka>	"oh, but I want to use names", well names aren't good anyway
[20:27:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) DISPLAYTITLE should allow Arabic and Persian harakats - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16899  (10ahmad.m.sherif)
[20:29:10] <Splarka>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10687
[20:29:48] <Splarka>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12974
[20:29:54] <chuck>	Splarka: oh, gotcha
[20:30:01] <Splarka>	and at least 4 more dupes
[20:30:38] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/*Foo  jeh
[20:30:57] <chuck>	Splarka: thanks a ton, it's finally fixed :D
[20:31:05] <Splarka>	rar
[20:31:38] <^demon>	Marybelle: Pong. Got your message.
[20:32:04] <CIA-60>	03dale * r47580 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (7 files in 5 dirs): 
[20:32:04] <CIA-60>	more refactoring to support scriptLoader
[20:32:05] <CIA-60>	added all javascript based msg to MV_Messeges.php
[20:32:05] <CIA-60>	more info at: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ScriptLoader
[20:34:00] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r47581 10/trunk/extensions/ (54 files in 50 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from translatewiki.net (2009-02-20 20:09 UTC)
[20:34:51] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r47582 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Change Betawiki to translatewiki.net
[20:50:00] <CIA-60>	03catrope * r47583 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/OutputPage.php): (bug 17538) Use local URLs in <link>s
[20:50:12] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) RSS <link>s should be from /, not http:// - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17538  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[20:51:02] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r47584 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/mediawiki-defines.txt: 
[20:51:02] <CIA-60>	Emergency deactivation due to a lot of dupe message keys in r47580
[20:51:02] <CIA-60>	The new messages need a lot of cleanup :/
[20:53:20] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r47585 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/mediawiki-defines.txt: 
[20:53:20] <CIA-60>	2nd try: Emergency deactivation due to a lot of dupe message keys in r47580
[20:53:20] <CIA-60>	The new messages need a lot of cleanup :/
[20:58:38] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r47586 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/SpecialGlobalGroupPermissions.php: Add right description to GlobalGroupPermission view
[21:02:59] <RoanKattouw>	Splarka: I take back what I said earlier: paging by timestamp|revid won't work, because MySQL is stupid and doesn't realize that ORDER BY rev_timestamp, rev_id can be partially resolved by using the index on rev_timestamp. Instead, it filesorts the whole thing without using the index
[21:03:04] <CIA-60>	03brion * r47587 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevision.php: Add type hint on newFromStable() so we'll get a better whinge when it's called with bogus input
[21:04:06] <werdnum>	brion: Do we still want users to be able to change their home wiki? (i.e. is there a point to it?)
[21:05:00] <brion>	werdnum: sure, but right now it isn't used for anything so there's no rush to provide a ui :)
[21:05:05] <CIA-60>	03brion * r47588 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.hooks.php: Fix call using $title which didn't exist... $nt is present, though
[21:05:07] <brion>	[anything post-merge]
[21:05:22] *werdnum 	looks for another bug instead.
[21:05:43] <brion>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:AbuseLog <- what we've had no abuse? :)
[21:05:58] <werdnum>	brion: we have no filters. I was looking this morning for common vandalism patterns.
[21:06:08] <werdnum>	Perusing the block log, etc.
[21:06:10] <Splarka>	RoanKattouw: what's a few filesorts between friends (hide)
[21:06:14] <werdnum>	If you have suggestions I'm happy to hear em
[21:06:21] <brion>	heh
[21:06:41] <RoanKattouw>	Splarka: You dare call Domas a friend?
[21:06:42] <ialex>	werdnum: there're lot more of test edits than vandalism
[21:06:47] <werdnum>	ialex: yeah I know
[21:06:53] <Splarka>	shh, you'll wake him!
[21:06:55] <brion>	i don't recall too much vandalism on mediawikiwiki, maybe the occasional page move thingy
[21:07:03] <werdnum>	I've been trying to poke meta http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Babel#Abuse_Filter_testing
[21:07:06] <werdnum>	but no responses yet
[21:07:28] <domas>	RoanKattouw: you're the api guy, right? :)
[21:07:52] <domas>	RoanKattouw: can you please force order of 'logging,user' if no user is specified? :) 
[21:08:10] <RoanKattouw>	domas: logevents?
[21:08:19] <domas>	ye
[21:08:32] <domas>	sometimes it tends to pick up 'user,logging' (as there're no conditions on either)
[21:08:46] <RoanKattouw>	domas: How does page fit into this mix?
[21:08:53] <domas>	RoanKattouw: page is left-join'ed
[21:09:00] <domas>	RoanKattouw: thats already forced order :)
[21:10:08] <RoanKattouw>	So I gotta do a STRAIGHT_JOIN if and only if there's no WHERE on log_user ?
[21:11:52] <CIA-60>	03jnatividad * r47589 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticResultFormats/Ploticus/ (README SRF_Ploticus.php): fixed bug 17573 - eliminate possible hash collisions in cache; removed redundant not when checking csv imageformat; made headers=hide default setting; improved README readability
[21:15:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CSS-added icons next to links display through the text and makes it unreadable in RTL - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1061  (10ahmad.m.sherif)
[21:15:42] <RoanKattouw>	domas: Just to get things straight: what I did is change FROM user, logging LEFT JOIN page   to  STRAIGHT_JOIN FROM logging JOIN user LEFT JOIN page, is that correct?
[21:16:21] <domas>	yes
[21:16:30] <RoanKattouw>	OK, committing
[21:18:23] <CIA-60>	03catrope * r47590 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiQueryLogEvents.php: API: Add a STRAIGHT_JOIN to list=logevents on Domas's request. Also make an implicit JOIN explicit so the LEFT JOIN still goes against the right table
[21:28:11] <CIA-60>	03jnatividad * r47591 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticResultFormats/Ploticus/SRF_Ploticus.php: really fixed bug 17573 - eliminate possible hash collisions in cache. Now also includes article title to ensure identical ploticus queries on different pages do not have cache collissions
[21:29:41] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) SRF-Ploticus: Ensure generated hash for plots are unique - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17573  +comment (10mediawiki)
[21:49:56] <chuck>	If I create an account for a user, will the password be sent to that person?
[21:53:23] <Emachman>	chuck: if you use the by email function, it sends a random password
[21:54:25] <uwe123>	hello, we are thinking of building a site where there are discussions about the articles in a way similar to forums, but with subjects related to articles about consumables in the market in order to raise discussion and awarness about relevant issues, anyway, we need the discussion to appear at the end of the article  (or category) page, not in a seperate one!, also im trying to figure a way that would not allow users to "edit" discussin, but just
[21:54:26] <uwe123>	 do the "append new section" (action=edit&section=new), anyway, is it possible to do the talk+article in one page ? if anyone already did something like that, please tell me if its documented and where? if not, i would appreciate any pointers ...
[21:55:57] <RoanKattouw>	uwe123: What you *could* do is add {{{{TALKSPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}}} to the bottom of an article, that'll include the contents of the talk page there
[21:56:23] <RoanKattouw>	The section edit links will go to the right place, and you could add a new section link on top of the talk page manually
[21:56:43] <RoanKattouw>	That way the discussion would still be on a separate page, but it'll show on the article page as well
[21:57:39] <uwe123>	RoanKattouw, thank you very much!! i didnt think about approacing it this way! ill try to play around with that !! thanks a million
[22:03:48] <Duesentrieb>	RoanKattouw: the TalkHere extension does this a bit more nicely. <--- uwe123
[22:03:56] <Duesentrieb>	!e TalkHere
[22:03:56] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TalkHere
[22:04:36] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah, that's probably better
[22:05:39] <uwe123>	thanks Duesentrieb :) ... i feel really greatful i thought ill drop a question here before starting to fiddle with mediawiki code 
[22:11:01] <mitixi>	hi, I tried to make linking easier and used LinkSuggest and also FCKEditor with InserLink button. They both suggest liks to pages from main namespace. Does anyone know if these extensons also suggest links to pages from custom namespaces? (since we have additional namespaces for procetected content)
[22:12:36] <CIA-60>	03river * r47592 10/trunk/tools/ts-specs/ (4 files in 2 dirs): TSlibogg, TSlibvorbis: new specs
[22:19:23] <simonrvn>	hey. maintenance/update.php isn't catching all the *.sql changes, and having to do some table and db updates manually. is this a known bug, or is this intentional? i thought that update script was supposed to do that.
[22:19:43] <RoanKattouw>	simonrvn: Are you on MySQL or PostgreSQL?
[22:19:45] <flyingparchment>	which changes?
[22:19:58] <simonrvn>	mysql
[22:20:02] <RoanKattouw>	Hmm
[22:20:09] <domas>	someone has to do drizzle support! :)
[22:20:10] <simonrvn>	$prefix_tag_summary
[22:20:30] <RoanKattouw>	That one is definitely in update.php
[22:20:38] <RoanKattouw>	I ran it and it created the table for me
[22:20:44] <simonrvn>	hm odd, it's missing from my dbs
[22:20:56] <flyingparchment>	are you sure update.php applies to the right database?
[22:21:18] <RoanKattouw>	Also, are you sure that you 1) updated to a version that has that table and 2) updated update.php ?
[22:21:30] <simonrvn>	flyingparchment: yup
[22:21:41] <simonrvn>	yup, i'm running everything off svn
[22:21:43] <flyingparchment>	paste the output of it at rafb.net/paste/
[22:21:49] <simonrvn>	just updated about an hour ago
[22:23:12] <simonrvn>	flyingparchment: http://simonraven.kisikew.org/paste_out
[22:23:23] <flyingparchment>	403 - Forbidden
[22:23:39] <simonrvn>	meh, hold please
[22:23:41] <RoanKattouw>	simonrvn: Please paste at http://rafb.net/paste/
[22:25:42] <simonrvn>	http://pastebin.ca/1343240
[22:25:59] <flyingparchment>	ah, the world's slowest paste site ;)
[22:26:12] <RoanKattouw>	...tag_summary table already exists.
[22:26:23] <RoanKattouw>	...change_tag table already exists.
[22:26:35] <RoanKattouw>	...tag_summary table already exists.
[22:26:41] <Brownout>	flyingparchment: works fine here, do you have IPv6 by any chance?
[22:26:43] <RoanKattouw>	Oops, double paste
[22:27:14] <flyingparchment>	Brownout: not at the moment, and it's always been slow for me
[22:27:24] <RoanKattouw>	simonrvn: The script says that the change_tags, valid_tags and tag_summary tables are already there
[22:27:26] <flyingparchment>	(compared to rafb, which loads instantly)
[22:27:29] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah, slow for me too
[22:27:43] <Brownout>	because it's dual stacked, maybe some AAAA timeout
[22:29:13] <simonrvn>	RoanKattouw: i've run it in all three, and only one gets the update.
[22:29:37] <simonrvn>	i have maintenance symlinked ...
[22:29:40] <RoanKattouw>	simonrvn: Verify that AdminSettings.php has the right values
[22:30:16] <simonrvn>	no actually it isn't includes/ and languages/ are
[22:30:56] <simonrvn>	checking
[22:33:00] <simonrvn>	ok nm, i think it's a PEBKAC. lemme double-check something
[22:33:29] <simonrvn>	in fact it is... nm
[22:33:52] <simonrvn>	sorry for the bother
[22:34:25] <simonrvn>	i thought i had maintenance symlinked too...
[22:36:33] <simonrvn>	thanks
[23:36:03] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r47593 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/language/ (checkLanguage.inc languages.inc): 
[23:36:03] <CIA-60>	Revert r47578. Causing Fatal error: Call to undefined method languages::getMessagesWithoutVariables() in /home/siebrand/phase3/maintenance/language/transstat.php on line 99
[23:36:03] <CIA-60>	(http://www.mediawiki.org/?diff=prev&oldid=240025)
[23:39:57] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r47594 10/branches/REL1_14/phase3/maintenance/language/ (checkLanguage.inc languages.inc): Revert r47579. Causing Fatal error: Call to undefined method languages::getMessagesWithoutVariables() in phase3/maintenance/language/transstat.php on line 99
[23:47:57] <Danwe>	hi
[23:48:21] <Danwe>	is it possible in MW Tables to define the colgroup HTML-Tag?
[23:49:02] <Danwe>	I'd like to define width of the collumns without assign it to the first <td> tag.
[23:49:35] <TrevorParscal>	usually i do it on the headings....
[23:50:01] <Danwe>	I don't have headings for this one
[23:50:21] <TrevorParscal>	you may be out of luck
[23:50:57] <Terminus2>	Hello, does anyone have any idea why all of a sudden half the files imported into the wiki by the import script shows up as not existing, despite the "recent changes" shows it being uploaded.
[23:54:35] <p858snake>	:o i'm surpised english isn't at 100% for all @ http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:Group_statistics
[23:55:55] <Danwe>	german is
[23:56:00] <Danwe>	france, too
[23:57:14] <TrevorParscal>	so is Galego