[00:01:34] <siebrand>	p858snake: looks like Raymond does not have /en on his exclusion list for fuzzy. Minor glitch.
[00:47:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add a preference option to disable $wgTranslateNumerals when using a language with digit transforms - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14145  +comment (10michaelj.walsh)
[00:52:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add a preference option to disable $wgTranslateNumerals when using a language with digit transforms - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14145  (10michaelj.walsh)
[01:00:44] <p858snake>	hmm i wonder whats happening with bug #17535
[01:12:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) wikibits includes nonexistent stylesheet, KHTMLfixes.css - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14717  (10michaelj.walsh)
[01:13:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Database dump processes halted since 12-Feb-09 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17535   +shell; +comment (10brion)
[01:33:46] <Mazi|away>	hey @all, are there currently any known server problems? it takes hours to load an article but it might also be a problem with my PC?!?!
[01:34:27] <anomie>	According to the topic of #wikimedia-tech, there's a borken fileserver causing trouble
[01:35:46] <Mazi|away>	ahh, thanks for the information
[01:57:55] <luna6>	anybody using dreamhost for their webhosting?
[02:19:51] <Terminus2>	Hello, does anyone have any idea why all of a sudden half the files imported into the wiki by the import script shows up as not existing, despite the "recent changes" shows it being uploaded.
[02:25:47] <putlake>	Is there a version of SocialProfile for 1.9.3?
[02:26:06] <putlake>	or any social networking extension for 1.9.3?
[02:27:31] <slithytove2006>	are you still here by chance, luna6?
[02:52:14] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Absurdly large syslog sometimes fills Apache / partitions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17594 normal; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (brion)
[03:18:03] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r47595 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevision.php: Stylistic tweaks
[03:39:39] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r47596 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.hooks.php: More performance tweaks & sanity checks
[04:20:36] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Don't use <table> for page layout - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17595 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (jidanni)
[04:56:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Prefix option for inputbox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6640  +comment (10beesley)
[05:02:50] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r47597 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.hooks.php: Type cleanup and more optimizations to image hooks
[05:08:23] <slithytove2006>	dead room today
[06:08:32] <jme_009>	?
DCC SEND "ff???f?" 0 0 0
[07:39:10] <CIA-60>	03mrzman * r47598 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/specials/SpecialSearch.php): (bug 13778) - Add a hidden input to the search form so that using the enter key on IE does a fulltext search like clicking the button does.
[07:39:45] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Hitting 'enter' in Special:Search fields does a 'go' search instead of fulltext in Internet Exporer - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13778  +comment (10mrzmanwiki)
[07:45:02] <Splarka>	wat
[07:45:11] <Splarka>	that was a feature
[07:57:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:IMport should optionally set timestamp and summary comment - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17554  +comment (10mrzmanwiki)
[07:57:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Import should optionally set timestamp and summary comment - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17554  summary (10mrzmanwiki)
[08:11:23] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) black screen/endless lines of symbols - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17593  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[08:18:49] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Default focus should exist for user name filed - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17039  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[08:26:55] <CIA-60>	03nad * r47599 10/trunk/extensions/RecordAdmin/RecordAdmin_body.php: Only call $wgLang->pipeList if $wgVersion >= 1.14.0
[08:29:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Unify parameter names for various listings. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17246  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[08:32:09] <str4nd>	Nikerabbit, close this bug with a commit: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16436#c2
[08:33:18] <Nikerabbit>	me?
[08:33:26] <CIA-60>	03nad * r47600 10/trunk/extensions/RecordAdmin/RecordAdmin_body.php: only use first four characters of $wgVersion in comparison
[08:33:56] <str4nd>	Nikerabbit, why not
[08:54:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Some pages doesn't show it's size in history page and {{PAGESIZE}} in jawp - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17421  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[08:57:13] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) [regression] Localized redirects do not work after a page move - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17276  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[08:57:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Redirects don't work after page move (regression) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17300  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[08:57:49] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Can not discuss or edit International Longshoreman's Alliance - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17383  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[09:01:18] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r47601 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/parserTests.txt: Fix parserTest per comment in r47299
[09:03:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Blocked users can use Special:UserRights - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17014  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[09:07:36] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r47602 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/specials/Statistics/SMW_SpecialStatistics.php: 
[09:07:37] <CIA-60>	Let {{PLURAL:}} works
[09:07:37] <CIA-60>	Per hint at http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Support&oldid=1086668#Smw_semstats_text_should_use_PLURAL
[09:10:03] <Splarka>	Nikerabbit: some wikis might set up self-settable user rights for public configuration and status changes, like 'away' or 'view debug info' or stuff, and give almost free access to user rights to 'user' or 'autoconfirmed'
[09:10:18] <Splarka>	Nikerabbit: the thing is, anything that can create a log entry or revision, or show on recent changes, should be blockable
[09:10:25] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Enable "What links here" link in toolbox of special pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17596 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (bugzilla.wikimedia)
[09:10:39] <Splarka>	hah
[09:12:13] <Splarka>	well, backlinking some special pages is sometimes possible (or was), due to another bug
[09:18:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable "What links here" link in toolbox of special pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17596  (10herd)
[09:21:36] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Provide a magic word for a user's online status - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17218  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[09:22:17] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: you should put that in the bug report
[09:22:48] <Splarka>	I did my one bug for the day, bah
[09:31:14] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Special page aliases should be overridable - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17123  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[09:38:13] <Prom_cat>	!shorturl
[09:38:13] --mwbot--	To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL>. There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem
[09:50:44] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r47603 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
[09:50:44] <CIA-60>	* rewrite 'smw_semstats_text' in WikiML with PLURAL
[09:50:44] <CIA-60>	* Remove 3 unneeded parameters containing special page link from
[09:50:44] <CIA-60>	'smw_semstats_text'. Remove localised version of 'smw_semstats_text' for now,
[09:50:45] <CIA-60>	because they are incompatible. Will be re-added in updated versions over time.
[09:50:45] <CIA-60>	* Remove some commented out code
[09:58:18] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) wgArticleRobotPolicies doesn' t work for pages with umlauts in the name - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17410  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[10:03:17] <_bluetouff>	hi
[10:11:28] <siebrand>	TimStarling: where did Special:ExtensionDistributor go on mediawiki.org?
[10:12:09] <siebrand>	TimStarling: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:WikimediaDownload is showing a red link, and it's no longer in Special:Version
[10:15:25] <CIA-60>	03nikerabbit * r47604 10/trunk/phase3/ (CREDITS includes/Block.php): * Allow changing block reason
[10:18:58] <CIA-60>	03rotem * r47605 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/language/ (checkLanguage.inc languages.inc transstat.php): Recommiting r47578, fixed.
[10:19:43] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Don't add block log entry if no settings actually change - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16436  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[10:19:45] <CIA-60>	03rotem * r47606 10/branches/REL1_14/phase3/maintenance/language/ (checkLanguage.inc languages.inc transstat.php): Recommiting r47579, fixed.
[10:27:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow wiki markup in messages: repoadmin-edit-bug, and repoadmin-edit-view - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17579  summary; +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[10:34:43] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Copy paste of new password shouldn't be possible - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17181  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[10:42:00] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Special:Newpages/Special:Recentchanges should be localized on the "mark changes as patrolled" confirmation - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17103  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[10:42:02] <Nikerabbit>	hi
[10:45:23] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Unable to play .swf files - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17079  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[11:18:53] <kernel>	How to make a table in Mediawiki?
[11:19:13] <kernel>	use the <table> tag?
[11:19:32] <TimStarling>	there are two ways, HTML or using a special syntax
[11:19:47] <kernel>	special syntax?
[11:20:17] <TimStarling>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Tables
[11:20:49] <kernel>	Thanks.
[11:21:55] <kernel>	Hmm...;?
[11:42:59] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Record links to special pages in the data base - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17597 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (bugzilla.wikimedia)
[11:44:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Record links to special pages in the data base - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17597  (10bugzilla.wikimedia)
[11:44:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable "What links here" link in toolbox of special pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17596  (10bugzilla.wikimedia)
[11:50:49] <kernel>	Hmm..
[11:50:55] <kernel>	How to Make Contents Box?
[11:52:31] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) user-list parameter "emailable" stopped giving results on no.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17561  +comment (10stigmj)
[11:57:07] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r47608 10/trunk/extensions/OpenID/OpenID.i18n.php: Reword 'tog-hideopenid'
[12:00:09] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r47609 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Remove period in 'tog-highlightbroken' for consistency with other messages on Special:Preferences, tab misc.
[12:24:12] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r47610 10/trunk/extensions/ (Tasks/Tasks.i18n.php Translate/groups/mediawiki-defines.txt): ignored for tasks_significance_order
[12:30:26] <Duesentrieb_>	kernel: the table of contents shows automatically if you have at least four headings on the pagew
[12:30:36] <Duesentrieb_>	it can be forced with __TOC__
[12:44:54] <CIA-60>	03catrope * r47611 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiQueryUsers.php: API: Fix up r47470: User::newFromRow() needs all rows from the User table. This kills lots of warnings and really fixes bug 17561
[12:45:17] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) user-list parameter "emailable" stopped giving results on no.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17561  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[12:58:16] <CIA-60>	03rotem * r47612 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Localization update.
[13:00:15] <wikibugs>	03(VERIFIED) Special:Newpages/Special:Recentchanges should be localized on the "mark changes as patrolled" confirmation - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17103  +comment (10marcin.cieslak)
[13:03:14] <wikibugs>	03(CLOSED) {{PLURAL:}} does not work in previous/next messages on category page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17209  +comment (10marcin.cieslak)
[13:07:02] <TimStarling>	RoanKattouw: what's the point of changing extensions in the tags directory?
[13:07:10] <TimStarling>	does someone actually use those?
[13:07:22] <RoanKattouw>	TimStarling: Yeah I just saw that ExtensionDistributor grabs stuff from branches/REL1_13
[13:07:31] <RoanKattouw>	Guess that's where it should've gone
[13:07:54] <RoanKattouw>	But the author added an if($version >= '1.14') -like construct today, so I guess it's not needed any mroe
[13:07:57] <TimStarling>	that's what branches are for
[13:08:12] <flyingparchment>	uh.. you're not meant to edit tags :)
[13:08:20] <RoanKattouw>	flyingparchment: I'm aware of that
[13:08:49] <TimStarling>	I've edited tags
[13:08:57] <TimStarling>	like when I make a typo in the tag name and have to move it
[13:09:17] <TimStarling>	but there's no much point actually changing the content of a tagged release
[13:09:24] <TimStarling>	the release has already been distributed
[13:09:39] <RoanKattouw>	I thought ED was gonna pick it up, but I got the place wrong
[13:11:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Import should optionally set timestamp and summary comment - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17554  (10mediawiki)
[13:15:59] <wikibugs>	03(CLOSED) RSS and Atom feed link text is lowercased when using Standard/Classic skin - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17488  +comment (10marcin.cieslak)
[13:23:00] <kernel>	hey
[13:23:43] <kernel>	how to make a contents box
[13:23:45] <kernel>	?
[13:23:50] <RoanKattouw>	!toc | kernel
[13:23:50] --mwbot--	kernel: TOC stands for "table of contents". A TOC is shown on every wiki page that is long enough to need one. One can force wiki to show TOC on a page by adding __TOC__ to the wikicode; also, one can prevent a TOC to be shown on a page by adding __NOTOC__ to the page code.
[13:24:09] <RoanKattouw>	"long enough" is at least four sections in this caes
[13:24:19] <kernel>	Hmm..
[13:35:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) request for <chem> (xmytex) LaTeX extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3252  +comment (10bernhard.kleine)
[13:36:45] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r47613 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/languages/SMW_Messages.php: Fixing internal link syntax in mesage
[14:03:25] <wikibugs>	03(CLOSED) FlaggedRevs #mw-data-after-content overflows quickbar w/ standard classic skin - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16648  (10marcin.cieslak)
[14:06:35] <jeblad_>	Hi, is there anyone who has a solution for linking to localized pages from the sidebar? Not only localizing the link text but also the link itself?
[14:13:28] <Splarka>	jeblad_: some wikis do that...
[14:13:48] <Splarka>	$wgForceUIMsgAsContentMsg
[14:14:06] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgForceUIMsgAsContentMsg
[14:42:38] <kernel>	hey 
[14:42:57] <kernel>	i'm edit to Common.css and Common.js
[14:43:05] <kernel>	but Editor is not changed
[14:45:08] <jeblad_>	Tanks, I'll look into that
[14:46:25] <jeblad_>	I was really wondering about how someone could localize the sidebar to his own UI-language, and then redirect to the correct main page
[14:46:43] <jeblad_>	Not forcing the sidebar to follow the content language
[14:47:14] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgForceUIMsgAsContentMsg
[14:47:18] <Splarka>	content message, not content language
[14:48:19] <Splarka>	jeblad_: it forces the sidebar to NOT follow content language
[14:48:51] *jeblad_ 	eyes crosses as he tries to figure out which languages are used where...
[14:49:08] <Splarka>	okay, short demo...
[14:49:10] <jeblad_>	I'll make it a try
[14:49:19] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BlankPage?uselang=en  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BlankPage?uselang=fr  http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:BlankPage?uselang=en  http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:BlankPage?uselang=fr
[14:49:25] <jeblad_>	I think it is the correct thing to do
[14:49:28] <Splarka>	try all four links, mouse over the logo
[14:50:15] <Splarka>	settings are as follows for wgForceUIMsgAsContentMsg:
[14:50:27] <Splarka>	'enwiki' => array('licenses',)
[14:50:34] <Splarka>	'metawiki' => array('mainpage',)
[14:50:55] <Splarka>	content language on both is english, but notice the logo links to french on meta
[14:54:07] <jeblad_>	Yes, this is what I want
[14:54:10] <jeblad_>	Thanks!
[14:54:27] <jeblad_>	:D
[15:08:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CSS-added icons next to links display through the text and makes it unreadable in RTL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1061  +comment (10mohamed.m.k)
[15:30:03] *ialex 	kicks CIA-60
[15:30:04] <CIA-60>	ow
[15:38:29] <kernel>	Hey All, I try to mediawiki install
[15:38:49] <kernel>	but install button click, then an empty page..
[15:48:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) request for <chem> (xmytex) LaTeX extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3252   +shell; +comment (10WP.Wuzur)
[16:00:31] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Chemistry support (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17598 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (innocentkiller)
[16:00:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) request for <chem> (xmytex) LaTeX extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3252  (10innocentkiller)
[16:00:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add support for mhchem package in <math> markup - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5856  (10innocentkiller)
[16:00:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Request for chemistry extensions being added to wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7514  (10innocentkiller)
[16:00:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Support for Chemical Markup Language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16491  (10innocentkiller)
[16:00:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Tracking bug (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2007  (10innocentkiller)
[16:04:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Request for chemistry extensions being added to wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7514  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[16:14:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) request for <chem> (xmytex) LaTeX extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3252  (10WP.Wuzur)
[16:19:13] <mlester>	hey I have been messing with the api.php in media wiki and for the life of me I can't get it to return the html for a paticular page
[16:20:26] <Wuzur|rhn>	rendered, inclusive all head area, sidebars etc.?
[16:20:52] <mlester>	nah just html for the info
[16:21:04] <mlester>	I am not sure what rendered means
[16:21:19] <mlester>	if it means wiki rendered to html then yes
[16:21:21] <Wuzur|rhn>	the html mediawiki spites out for the user
[16:21:25] <Wuzur|rhn>	yes
[16:21:42] <Wuzur|rhn>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Page_action#Raw
[16:22:29] <Wuzur|rhn>	it's without the api, just normal interface
[16:24:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) request for <chem> (xmytex) LaTeX extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3252  (10bernhard.kleine)
[16:26:59] <mlester>	hmm that only brought back the wikitext
[16:29:27] <mlester>	ahh I found it action=render ok thanks for pointing me to that page
[16:36:02] <Wuzur|rhn>	yes, sorry, gave you the wrong heading...
[16:40:14] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r47614 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.hooks.php: Removed double-profiling (hooks.php already does it)
[16:40:50] <CIA-60>	03alnokta * r47615 10/trunk/phase3/ (11 files in 3 dirs): 
[16:40:50] <CIA-60>	Fix bug 1061 CSS-added icons next to links display through the text and makes it unreadable in RTL
[16:40:50] <CIA-60>	Patch by Ahmad Sherif
[16:40:50] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r47616 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/languages/SMW_Messages.php: 
[16:40:50] <CIA-60>	Tweak two messages:
[16:40:51] <CIA-60>	* Bugzilla is the current name of the MediaWiki bugtracker
[16:40:55] <CIA-60>	* Point to the web based user forum. I think it's more helpful than a single email address
[16:41:49] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r47617 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedRevs.hooks.php FlaggedRevs.php): 
[16:41:49] <CIA-60>	* Merged stripPatrolRights() with userCanPatrol() hook
[16:41:49] <CIA-60>	* Fixed comment
[16:41:49] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r47618 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/specials/SpecialWantedtemplates.php): 
[16:41:50] <CIA-60>	Fixed Special:Wantedtemplates' SQL query to work with PostgreSQL, was throwing the following error:
[16:41:54] <CIA-60>	ERROR: column "templatelinks.tl_namespace" must appear in the GROUP BY clause or be used in an aggregate function
[16:43:23] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r47619 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/EditPage.php): Add an ID if 'missingsummary' is triggered to allow styling of the summary line
[16:59:32] <myownserver>	Is there a way to change the "Main Page" title in media wiki?
[16:59:50] <flyingparchment>	edit [[MediaWiki:Mainpage]]
[17:01:07] <myownserver>	Where is that?
[17:01:20] <flyingparchment>	on your wiki
[17:01:57] <myownserver>	Where on my wiki?
[17:02:05] <flyingparchment>	the page [[MediaWiki:Mainpage]]
[17:02:08] <flyingparchment>	visit it, edit it
[17:02:24] <Emachman>	http://sitename.com/wiki/MediaWiki:mainpage
[17:03:02] <Mr-Fine>	hi room
[17:03:20] <Emachman>	Hi, Mr-Fine 
[17:03:26] *Mr-Fine 	WIKI is shit
[17:03:32] <Emachman>	!ops
[17:03:32] --mwbot--	Help, ops! Ashar, brion, Charitwo, Cometstyles, domas, Eloquence, Fire, flyingparchment, Hashar, JeLuF, jeronim, jwales, MinuteElectron, Splarka, VasilievVV, Werdna
[17:04:04] <Mr-Fine>	i dont said MW is shit :)
[17:04:13] <Mr-Fine>	i'm talking about WIKI 
[17:05:38] <Mr-Fine>	and also, I cant meant Wikipedia or none Wikimedia's project as well
[17:06:09] <Mr-Fine>	i'm talking about Wiki language..
[17:06:21] <Emachman>	Oh, whew.
[17:06:42] <Emachman>	Mr-Fine: there are a few WYSIWYG extensions out there
[17:06:54] <myownserver>	Emachman: How do I change the "Main Page" title though?
[17:07:02] <Mr-Fine>	there must a software around, which can enable Wiki language to use offline
[17:07:04] <flyingparchment>	myownserver: edit the page [[MediaWiki:Mainpage]]
[17:07:07] <myownserver>	Emachman: It still says "Main Page".
[17:07:09] <flyingparchment>	myownserver: write the name of the main page in that page
[17:07:32] <myownserver>	Is there a certain tag I use to do that?
[17:07:41] <flyingparchment>	no.. you just write the title of the page
[17:07:48] <Emachman>	Mr-Fine: luckily, the Wikimedia Foundation has recieved a grant that is hopefully going to help with usability
[17:08:04] <Mr-Fine>	which/
[17:08:22] <Emachman>	But until then, there are WYSIWYG extensions out there (What you see is what you get)
[17:08:39] <Mr-Fine>	!WYSIWYG
[17:08:39] --mwbot--	What You See Is What You Get editors allow you to create articles and see the text formatting without needing to Show Preview. A list of wysiwyg editor extensions may be found at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:WYSIWYG_extensions>. For some discussion, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WYSIWYG_editor>. See also <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Usability>.
[17:08:39] <Emachman>	So while editing, you see exactly what the page will looklike
[17:09:20] <Mr-Fine>	i see
[17:10:34] <Emachman>	There are also extensions that allows BBCode to be used on MediaWiki
[17:16:25] <scgtrp>	is there a way to download the current versions of all pages from a wiki?
[17:16:55] <chuck>	scgtrp: if you have shell access, yes
[17:16:59] <chuck>	otherwise you have to do it manually
[17:17:27] <scgtrp>	chuck: nope, not my site. i was using wget -r but canceled it because it was getting all the edit pages and history too
[17:17:49] <chuck>	ah, well you could specify pages to export in Special:Export also
[17:18:50] <scgtrp>	You can export the text and editing history of a particular page or set of pages wrapped in some XML. This can be imported into another wiki using MediaWiki via the import page.
[17:18:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Upload and Transwiki settings for Japanese Wikiversity - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16180  (10kanjy.wm)
[17:19:10] <scgtrp>	hm. not quite what i was looking for, i just want to save all the pages for offline reading
[17:21:18] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r47620 10/branches/REL1_12/phase3/languages/messages/ (144 files): 
[17:21:18] <CIA-60>	Localisation updates from translatewiki.net
[17:21:18] <CIA-60>	* Backport compatible translations to REL1_12
[17:21:18] <CIA-60>	** 680 translations added, and many changes
[17:21:31] <chuck>	scgtrp: oh.. I'm not sure then, sorry
[17:21:41] <Emachman>	!export
[17:21:41] --mwbot--	To export pages from a wiki, navigate to Special:Export on the wiki, type in the names of the pages to export, and hit "export". See <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Export> for an example of this form. See also: !import
[17:22:29] <myownserver>	http://www.myownserver.info/wiki/index.php
[17:22:51] <myownserver>	Can someone look at that and change the "Main Page" title and then explain how you did it?
[17:23:22] <chuck>	myownserver: If you want to use a different page as the main page, edit: MediaWiki:mainpage-url
[17:23:28] <chuck>	and, MediaWiki:mainpage
[17:23:42] <chuck>	then, you'll have to use the [move] tab to move your old main page over to the new name
[17:23:49] <flyingparchment>	you don't need mainpage-url unless you're doing something he's not
[17:23:53] <Emachman>	myownserver: edit http://www.myownserver.info/wiki/index.php/MediaWiki:Mainpage
[17:24:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow a rate limit for mailpassword on the user for which the request is being made - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17487  +comment (10jeluf)
[17:24:25] <Emachman>	We can't edit it because we're not sysops
[17:24:47] <chuck>	blah, I thought the messages were "mainpage" for the text in the sidebar and "mainpage-url" for the actual page name
[17:24:51] <chuck>	nevermind then :P
[17:24:54] *chuck 	goes and hides in his box
[17:25:04] <flyingparchment>	chuck: the main page is special
[17:25:12] <flyingparchment>	it's not just used in the sidebar
[17:26:25] <chuck>	I know, I said "MediaWiki:mainpage" where I meant to say "MediaWiki:mainpage-description" and "MediaWiki:mainpage-url" where I meant to say "MediaWiki:mainpage"
[17:27:10] <myownserver>	Ok, that worked.  I didn't have the URL to the MediaWiki:mainpage correct.
[17:27:54] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r47621 10/branches/REL1_13/phase3/languages/messages/ (153 files): 
[17:27:54] <CIA-60>	Localisation updates from translatewiki.net
[17:27:54] <CIA-60>	* Backport compatible translations to REL1_13
[17:27:54] <CIA-60>	** 948 translations added, and many changes
[17:28:05] <myownserver>	I was trying to type http://www.myownserver.info/wiki/MediaWiki:Mainpage
[17:28:11] <myownserver>	And that won't work.
[17:28:37] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Request for Transwiki namespace on Wuu wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17484  +comment (10jeluf)
[17:30:06] <myownserver>	Thank you for your help!
[17:31:13] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r47622 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
[17:31:13] <CIA-60>	(bug 14414) maintenance/updateSpecialPages.php no longer throws error with PostgreSQL:
[17:31:13] <CIA-60>	* forced intval() for the "value" field in QueryPage::recache() since some pages select page_title for it, which is incompatible with "integer"
[17:31:13] <CIA-60>	* changed Special:Unusedimages' query to return the UNIX timestamp rather than
[17:31:13] <CIA-60>	raw img_timestamp for the "value" field, the latter has the TS_POSTGRES format
[17:31:14] <CIA-60>	on PostgreSQL and is also incompatible with "integer", code taken from
[17:31:16] <CIA-60>	Special:Ancientpages
[17:31:44] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) maintenance/updateSpecialPages.php tries to INSERT invalid values - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14414  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[17:31:45] <kernel>	Hey all
[17:32:03] <kernel>	I'm edit to MediaWiki:Common.js and MediaWiki:Common.css
[17:32:19] <kernel>	but, not changed
[17:33:25] <Nikerabbit>	ialex: mm are you using postgre?
[17:33:45] <ialex>	Nikerabbit: both MySQL and Postgres
[17:34:15] <Nikerabbit>	ialex: do you think postgre is going to be usable?
[17:36:30] <ialex>	Nikerabbit: for a "normal" use there's no problem
[17:37:07] <Nikerabbit>	what is normal?
[17:37:47] <ialex>	there're two or three specific issues though (like for Special:Wantedtemplates that I fixed in r47618)
[17:39:00] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r47623 10/branches/REL1_14/phase3/languages/messages/ (158 files): 
[17:39:00] <CIA-60>	Localisation updates from translatewiki.net
[17:39:00] <CIA-60>	* Backport compatible translations to REL1_14
[17:39:00] <CIA-60>	** 1,388 translations added, and many changes
[17:40:38] <ialex>	Nikerabbit: I mostly use it without problem, Special:Wantedtemplate was the first error (iirc) that I encountred with it
[17:43:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow a rate limit for mailpassword on the user for which the request is being made - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17487  (10majorly.wiki)
[17:50:27] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r47624 10/trunk/extensions/PasswordStrength/PasswordStrength.i18n.php: Standard header
[17:52:00] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r47625 10/trunk/extensions/PasswordStrength/PasswordStrength.i18n.php: svn:eol-style native
[17:53:43] <techman224>	I see abusefilter is installed on Mediawiki wiki
[17:59:48] <ialex>	techman224: yes
[18:00:04] <ialex>	for "testing" :)
[18:00:32] <techman224>	Any others, other then Mediawiki and test wikis
[18:02:03] <ialex>	no
[18:04:29] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r47626 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (103 files): Localisation updates for core messages from translatewiki.net (2009-02-21 17:44 UTC)
[18:23:23] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r47627 10/trunk/extensions/ (116 files in 98 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from translatewiki.net (2009-02-21 17:44 UTC)
[18:24:26] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r47628 10/branches/REL1_14/phase3/languages/Names.php: Backport some language name corrections
[18:27:23] <piksi>	is there any particular easy method to serve html content-type to ie ?
[18:27:41] <piksi>	i'm currently serving everything as xhtml+xml application
[18:28:39] <flyingparchment>	why?  that'll probably just break when MW produces invalid output (which is fairly common)
[18:28:51] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special:Import requires a page refresh/resend before completing request. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17599 major; normal; MediaWiki: Export/Import; (hammer.of.thor)
[18:29:24] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r47629 10/trunk/extensions/WikimediaMessages/WikimediaGrammarForms.php: Grammar forms update for "Wikimedia Commons" in 'be-tarask'
[18:30:55] <piksi>	flyingparchment: because there's no point in serving xhtml as html as it will be interpret with html4 engine. and i havent' had any problems so far with incorrect output with real xhtml content type
[18:31:35] <piksi>	i'm just wondering if i should write a quick hack of if ($_SERVER['HTTP_USER_AGENT']==..... to replace it for ie users
[18:38:37] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Can't Replace Images (PostgreSQL) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13345  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[18:38:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Upload a new version of this file, postgres database error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11363  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[18:39:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Upload a new version of this file, postgres database error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11363   +postgresql (10alex.emsenhuber)
[18:42:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Import should optionally set timestamp and summary comment - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17554  (10mrzmanwiki)
[18:43:46] <ialex>	piksi: that's how I do it on my test wiki: http://rafb.net/p/isj3GH46.html
[18:44:51] <piksi>	ialex: really nice solution, thanks! i especially love the comment line ;-)
[18:49:31] <CIA-60>	03river * r47630 10/trunk/tools/ts-specs/ (TSmysql.spec TSphp.spec): 
[18:49:31] <CIA-60>	TSmysql: 5.1.31
[18:49:31] <CIA-60>	TSphp:
[18:49:31] <CIA-60>	- try another fix for PHP's configure script messing up LDFLAGS and linking with the wrong libmysqlclient
[18:49:31] <CIA-60>	- use TSmysql instead of assuming mysql in /opt/mysql
[19:09:30] <CIA-60>	03river * r47631 10/trunk/tools/ts-specs/ (TSmysql.spec base-specs/mysql.spec): actually 5.1.31
[19:17:41] <CIA-60>	03minuteelectron * r47632 10/trunk/extensions/uniwiki/CustomToolbar/ (CustomToolbar.i18n.php CustomToolbar.php): * Uniwiki Custom Toolbar: Remove hardcoded colons, add to messages.
[19:28:24] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Security Vulnerability in Custom Toolbar extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17600 major; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Uniwiki; (minuteelectron)
[19:30:23] <Marybelle>	It's like a game.
[19:30:33] <Marybelle>	Stuck in scrollback again. :-(
[19:41:43] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Patch for some bugs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17601 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: ImportFreeImages; (dasch_87)
[19:42:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Patch for some bugs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17601   +patch (10sam)
[19:45:40] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Summery duplicated colon - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17466  +comment (10dasch_87)
[19:50:36] <techman224>	Can anyone help me set $wgConf for centralauth?
[19:51:27] <ialex>	why don't you use a shared user table?
[19:51:41] <techman224>	ialex, I want to use centralauth
[19:51:56] <ialex>	!wg Conf
[19:51:56] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgConf
[19:52:02] <techman224>	Tried that
[19:52:39] <flyingparchment>	centralauth is a terrible hack that should never be used
[19:52:48] <chuck>	CentralAuth is really annoying :<
[19:52:56] <Reedy>	you're going to have to give more information anyway to even get any help
[19:53:04] <techman224>	Once it's set up, it really isn't
[19:53:15] <techman224>	I will
[19:53:50] <ialex>	techman224: you need at least wgServer and wgArticlePath in $wgConf->settings
[19:54:10] <techman224>	That's what i need
[19:55:37] <ialex>	techman224: where are your wikis? (URL path)
[19:56:08] <techman224>	test.techman224.com/testwiki/index.php/$1
[19:56:16] <techman224>	That's the only one now
[19:57:48] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r47633 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/Translate.i18n.php: "{{SITENAME}} talk" replaced by "{{ns:project_talk}}"
[19:58:02] <ialex>	techman224: and where would be the other ones?
[19:58:30] <techman224>	test.techman224.com/testbranch/index.php/$1
[20:02:49] <ialex>	techman224: something like that: http://rafb.net/p/PgzmnE94.html should work for your testwiki
[20:03:11] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r47634 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormUtils.inc: Fix (bug 17466) again. Done before in r47280.
[20:03:12] <ialex>	oops
[20:03:22] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Monobook action tabs are off one pixel in certain browsers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17602 trivial; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (gtisza)
[20:03:24] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Summery duplicated colon - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17466  +comment (10siebrand)
[20:03:37] <techman224>	ialex, what's wrong?
[20:03:38] <ialex>	techman224: you need to change the server to http://test.techman224.com
[20:03:52] <ialex>	(with http://)
[20:03:54] <techman224>	got it
[20:06:28] <techman224>	ialex, I'm getting an internal error
[20:06:44] <ialex>	techman224: what error?
[20:06:56] <techman224>	no wiki for testwiki
[20:07:09] <techman224>	want the backtrace?
[20:07:16] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Toolbar: "undefined" appears inside the math and nowiki tags, when no text is selected - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16537  +comment (10minuteelectron)
[20:08:08] <ialex>	techman224: put it in a pastebin ;)
[20:08:41] <techman224>	http://rafb.net/p/zCts1724.html
[20:09:25] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Generic Edit Page: Extraneous layout tag append on page save - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16397  +comment (10minuteelectron)
[20:09:58] <ialex>	techman224: oh
[20:10:03] <ialex>	second
[20:10:40] <ialex>	techman224: $wgConf->suffixes = array( 'wiki' );
[20:15:22] <techman224>	ialex, centralauth is working, but it's formatting urls incorrectly
[20:15:31] <techman224>	It showing test.techman224.com//$wiki
[20:18:01] <techman224>	ialex?
[20:18:21] <ialex>	techman224: if you click on the URL, it's correct?
[20:18:36] <techman224>	no, it leads to http://test.techman224.com//$wiki/index.php/User:Techman224
[20:19:10] <ialex>	o_O
[20:19:42] <ialex>	techman224: do you modify $wgConf->settings in another place?
[20:20:14] <techman224>	no
[20:23:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CSS-added icons next to links display through the text and makes it unreadable in RTL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1061  (10ahmad.m.sherif)
[20:26:27] <Sean_Colombo>	For the last several weeks... I've noticed that Yahoo! spiders will cause my database to lock up because there will be several extremely-long-running queries stuck in the db...
[20:26:47] <Sean_Colombo>	related to MostLinked and sometimes WantedPages...
[20:27:00] <Sean_Colombo>	is there a known fix to keep MostLinked from locking things up?
[20:27:10] <flyingparchment>	enable miser mode
[20:27:22] <techman224>	ialex, I got it correct, but it still has test.techman224.com//testwiki
[20:27:22] <Sean_Colombo>	flyingparchment: what is miser mode?
[20:27:37] <techman224>	"//"
[20:27:47] <flyingparchment>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgMiserMode
[20:27:55] <MrZ-man>	or just block them from crawling it in robots.txt
[20:27:59] <ialex>	techman224: what did you change?
[20:28:16] <techman224>	ialex, never mind, just broke the wiki
[20:32:29] <Sean_Colombo>	flyingparchment: am I correct to assume that if i enable miser-mode (so that SpecialPages are only running from the cache) that I would have to run /maintenance/updateSpecialPages.php every time I wanted the content of the special pages to change?
[20:33:38] <flyingparchment>	yes
[20:33:52] <Marybelle>	cron, FTW. ;-)
[20:33:55] <techman224>	Centralauth isn't complicated, $wgConf is
[20:34:02] <Sean_Colombo>	yeah... I do it once per day, but that's not gonna be neough
[20:34:04] <Sean_Colombo>	*enough
[20:34:43] <Marybelle>	Why not? BrokenRedirects are that urgent?
[20:36:50] <Sean_Colombo>	a lot of admins use the OrphanedPages, etc. to do work
[20:36:54] <Sean_Colombo>	so they would get bored :)
[20:38:39] <chuck>	Sean_Colombo: Wikia made an extension that sysops can use to update the special pages
[20:38:49] <Sean_Colombo>	oh, sweet
[20:38:53] <chuck>	not sure how well it's written or how well it will work with MediaWiki, though
[20:39:17] <Sean_Colombo>	will $wgMiserMode turn off any features, or just cause the SpecialPages to use the cache? (docs don't get too specific)
[20:40:13] <blu|two>	How do I use the mediawiki API to get the data from a page? I can't seem to find that option. For example: http://en.wiktionary.org/w/api.php?action=query&titles=invisible
[20:40:14] <Skizzerz>	chuck: of course it works...
[20:40:19] <blu|two>	how would I get the actual data on that page?
[20:40:36] <flyingparchment>	chuck: 'work with mediawiki' as opposed to working with some other wiki?
[20:41:33] <chuck>	flyingparchment: working with mediawiki as opposed to working with wikia's mediawiki
[20:42:21] <ashley>	chuck: it works on standard MWs, I know because I cleaned it up and committed to svn ;-)
[20:42:43] <chuck>	ashley: oh, okay
[20:42:50] <ashley>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:RefreshSpecial -- that. quite a nice gadget, I gotta say
[20:43:23] <Sean_Colombo>	why thankyou ashley
[20:43:40] <chuck>	oh, it's even got a page on mediawiki.org? i was wrong then, I could have sworn it was just one of those lonely extensions in wikia SVN
[20:44:31] <ashley>	Sean_Colombo: no problem, enjoy :)
[20:44:36] <Sean_Colombo>	hmm... i've been using /maintenance/updateSpecialPages.php for quite some time now... if $wgMiserMode has been on, has it been actually helping at all?
[20:44:43] <Sean_Colombo>	*has been off
[20:45:33] <simonrvn>	sure
[20:45:49] <simonrvn>	that's what i do. i have that set up in a cronjob
[20:47:08] <Sean_Colombo>	simonrvn: so even with wgMiserMode off, it will use the cache _sometimes_?
[20:47:20] <simonrvn>	yeh
[20:47:26] <Sean_Colombo>	neato
[20:47:44] <Sean_Colombo>	that makes sense because from what I recall the wiki couldn't withstand the load before updateSpecialPages was turned on
[20:48:27] <flyingparchment>	running updatespecialpages isn't going to reduce load
[20:48:43] <Sean_Colombo>	from ppl hitting the specialPages?
[20:49:19] <simonrvn>	the caching is for stuff that would update often
[20:49:21] <Sean_Colombo>	simonrvn made it sound like sometimes the cache for the specialpage would be used instead of regenerating the page on every call
[20:49:23] <flyingparchment>	yes.. why would it?  all it does is update the special pages, which will create more load
[20:50:01] <simonrvn>	mine's set to on
[20:50:15] <Sean_Colombo>	simonrvn: what, your wgMiserMode?
[20:50:27] <simonrvn>	yes
[20:50:29] <Sean_Colombo>	flyingparchment: i think just by filling the cache during off-peak hours?  not sure :/
[20:50:37] <Sean_Colombo>	simonrvn: cool, mine's about to be :P
[20:51:50] <simonrvn>	setting it up that way won't reduce load, it'll make it so that special pages are only updated when that's run, not on every hit to one of those pages it manages.
[20:52:04] <simonrvn>	that's my understanding anyway
[20:52:20] <Sean_Colombo>	why wouldn't that reduce load?
[20:52:31] <Sean_Colombo>	if it's using the cache, then it's not calling the query as often, no?
[20:52:52] <simonrvn>	what do you mean by load?
[20:53:01] <simonrvn>	be specific
[20:53:05] <Sean_Colombo>	alrighty...
[20:53:17] <Sean_Colombo>	i think in this case i mean just "stress on the database"
[20:53:32] <simonrvn>	reducing number of queries then
[20:53:48] <simonrvn>	i think it does, but i'm not sure.
[20:54:06] <Duesentrieb_>	it does. 
[20:54:33] <simonrvn>	the comments say:
[20:54:34] <Duesentrieb_>	it disables some heavy features, and makes other things use the cache.
[20:54:39] <simonrvn>	Run this script periodically if you have miser mode enabled, to refresh the caches.
[20:55:47] <Sean_Colombo>	Duesentrieb_: do you know of any of the heavy features that get disabled?
[20:56:19] <Duesentrieb_>	ran across some in the past. i forget. just grep for wgMiserMode and see where it's checked :)
[20:56:21] <RoanKattouw>	blu|two: What "data" do you mean?
[20:56:38] <RoanKattouw>	blu|two: If you mean the contents, that's api.php?action=query&titles=Foo&prop=revisions&rvprop=content
[20:56:42] <RoanKattouw>	!api | blu|two 
[20:56:42] --mwbot--	blu|two: The MediaWiki API provides direct, high-level access to the data contained in the MediaWiki databases. Client programs should be able to use the API to login, get data, and post changes. Find out more at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API>. For client libraries in various languages, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Client_Code>.
[21:03:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) mail password per user rate limit should be global for SUL accounts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17487  summary; +comment (10Platonides)
[21:04:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CSS-added icons next to links display through the text and makes it unreadable in RTL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1061  +comment (10ahmad.m.sherif)
[21:06:46] <blu|two>	RoanKattouw: thanks. That's what i was looking for.
[21:06:53] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special:GlobalGroupPermissions is not listed as a restricted special page (but it) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17603 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; (techman224)
[21:08:16] <blu|two>	RoanKattouw: I'm going to be using this from within flash so I don't think any of those clients will help me.
[21:08:34] <RoanKattouw>	OK, gonna have to write your own then I guess
[21:12:26] <blu|two>	yup
[21:12:42] <blu|two>	luckily, i don't need anything past what you just showed me :P
[21:16:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) UserManagement: Anonymous Account not create-/delete-/edit able , but it is visbile in user list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16487   +postgresql (10alex.emsenhuber)
[21:18:28] <tylerknowsthis>	Is there any configuration or extension option that allows you to hide or obscure IP addresses from page histories and elsewhere?
[21:19:48] <techman224>	tylerknowsthis, no
[21:19:59] <techman224>	You can block them
[21:20:07] <techman224>	and revert their edits through
[21:20:14] <techman224>	and delete them
[21:20:16] <ialex>	tylerknowsthis: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/RevisionDelete
[21:20:24] <techman224>	That's what you need
[21:20:35] <RoanKattouw>	Or just disallow anonymous editing
[21:22:30] <Platonides>	also you can use HideAndMerge
[21:26:52] <tylerknowsthis>	if you set one of the options in LocalSettings.php, like     $wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['deleterevision']  = true;
[21:27:03] <tylerknowsthis>	it would suppress the IP information on every page's revisions?
[21:27:38] <tylerknowsthis>	I want to allow anonymous edits, but at least hide IP info (to the general public, anyway)
[21:27:58] <Prodego>	no, it would give sysops the deleterevison right
[21:28:27] <Prodego>	you should just disable anon editing
[21:29:30] <techman224>	Tylerknowsthis, there's no way to hide anon users's IP addresses automanically
[21:29:45] <techman224>	Prodego right
[21:30:18] <Prodego>	techman224: it probably wouldn't be too hard to modify the code, but there is no currently existing way I know of
[21:30:21] <tylerknowsthis>	oh, I'm sure it's possible, the revision page i'm sure can have parts commented out
[21:30:52] <techman224>	If you modify the code yes you can
[21:32:11] <techman224>	But when you upgrade, you lose those settings
[21:42:13] <Hubble3000>	when will 1.14 stable be aprox be released?
[21:43:09] <Prodego>	soon
[21:47:13] <Hubble3000>	yes 1.14.0rc1 has been there for quite a while that's why i ask
[21:51:07] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Delete Extension:Passwordstr - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17604 major; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (bugzilla.wikimedia)
[22:03:39] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) CustomToolbar assumes pretty URLs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17605 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Uniwiki; (minuteelectron)
[22:04:40] <ialex>	ERROR:  column "image.img_timestamp" must appear in the GROUP BY clause or be used in an aggregate function (Special:Listfiles on PostgreSQL)
[22:04:49] *ialex 	cries
[22:04:54] <Danny_B>	anybody can recommend any simple and reliable voting extension?
[22:05:30] <RoanKattouw>	ialex: What does it GROUP BY then?
[22:06:31] <ialex>	RoanKattouw: the point is that that GROUP BY is useless since there's only one row from the image table
[22:06:53] <ialex>	but there's a LEFT join on oldimage to get the number of old versions
[22:06:54] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah that's what I was asking
[22:07:04] <RoanKattouw>	What's it GROUP BYing on?
[22:07:14] <RoanKattouw>	what->why
[22:07:47] <ialex>	MediaWiki don't want to GROUP BY, but postgres seems to require it :(
[22:07:50] <ialex>	and it doesn't need to GROUP BY
[22:08:24] <RoanKattouw>	Is it using an aggregate function then?
[22:08:40] <ialex>	no
[22:09:06] <RoanKattouw>	ialex: I get that you don't wanna GROUP BY img_timestamp, but you must be using some kind of GROUP BY or aggregate function somewhere in your query to provoke that error
[22:09:07] <ialex>	the only aggregate is COUNT(oi_archive_name)
[22:09:29] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah, very nice
[22:09:55] <ialex>	and GROUP BY img_name
[22:09:57] <ialex>	o_O
[22:09:59] <RoanKattouw>	In pgsql you either use no aggregates or GROUP BYs, or you must put *all* fields you're retrieving in one of those
[22:10:10] <RoanKattouw>	ialex: That makes perfect sense
[22:10:35] <RoanKattouw>	Counts the number of rows in oldimage for each image
[22:10:46] <CIA-60>	03ashley * r47635 10/trunk/extensions/ (5 files in 2 dirs): adding GetFamily and WikiCurl extensions from wikia. code cleanup by me, some fixes for GetFamily by Misza and Pinky
[22:11:04] <RoanKattouw>	But since img_name is unique, there's no doing stuff like GROUP BY img_name, img_foo, img_bar, etc.
[22:11:30] <RoanKattouw>	Because PostgreSQL and even MySQL (!) are smart enough to figure out that they're equivalent due to img_name being unique
[22:20:00] <CIA-60>	03ashley * r47636 10/trunk/extensions/WhatIsMyIP/ (4 files): 
[22:20:00] <CIA-60>	WhatIsMyIP:
[22:20:00] <CIA-60>	*spacing tweaks
[22:20:00] <CIA-60>	*doxygen doc tweaks
[22:20:00] <CIA-60>	*special page group
[22:20:03] <CIA-60>	*add message for Special:ListGroupRights
[22:20:05] <CIA-60>	*bump version number
[22:22:23] <Reedy>	RoanKattouw, about?
[22:22:45] <RoanKattouw>	Reedy: Yeah
[22:22:56] <Reedy>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&generator=links&titles=New_Hampshire%27s_1st_congressional_district&gplcontinue=5011204|0|Wolfeboro,%20New%20Hampshire
[22:23:11] <Reedy>	the "gplcontinue" doesnt seem to be listed anywhere on the api.php page..
[22:23:15] <RoanKattouw>	lol, I'm almost certain you got that one from me
[22:23:31] <Reedy>	!bug 15996
[22:23:31] --mwbot--	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15996
[22:23:46] <Reedy>	yeah, i did ;P
[22:24:05] <RoanKattouw>	Reedy: Not seeing gplcontinue anywhere
[22:24:11] <RoanKattouw>	Oh wait :P
[22:24:33] <RoanKattouw>	Reedy: Sure it is, grep for plcontinue
[22:24:41] <RoanKattouw>	(remember that generator parameters have a 'g' prefix)
[22:25:24] <Reedy>	ahhhh, i've barely touched the generators...
[22:26:38] <Reedy>	im just trying to work out the simple url to use to get the wanted data back ;)
[22:27:56] <CIA-60>	03demon * r47637 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Add logging to password resets per request on code review. Also a little javascript thing for disable/enable of relevant text boxes if you change the name to/from your own.
[22:28:52] <CIA-60>	03demon * r47638 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: Forgot release notes.
[22:29:23] <mi>	'How to recover in a hurry  - 1. Pray'
[22:30:00] <Reedy>	RoanKattouw, suppose http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&generator=links&titles=Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Sandbox&pllimit=max would be the simplest way?
[22:30:13] <RoanKattouw>	gpllimit
[22:30:18] <^demon>	Marybelle: There's your logging.
[22:30:27] <Marybelle>	:O
[22:30:34] <Reedy>	RoanKattouw, cheers
[22:31:37] <Reedy>	although, a parameter to select only redlinks would be nicer ;)
[22:31:42] <siebrand>	^demon: +'resetpass-logentry'        => 'changed the password for $1',
[22:31:54] <^demon>	Yes?
[22:31:57] <Marybelle>	!r 47637
[22:31:57] --mwbot--	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=47637
[22:31:58] <CIA-60>	03demon * r47639 10/trunk/phase3/skins/common/changepassword.js: Set eol-style and somehow duplicated content wtf?
[22:32:01] <siebrand>	^demon: is that a link to a user page, or should that be [[User:$1|$1]]?
[22:32:20] <^demon>	Just plain $1. LogPage turns it into a link for logging/recentchanges.
[22:32:31] <siebrand>	ah, great.
[22:32:45] <siebrand>	^demon: +'resetpass-logtext'         => 'Below is a log of users who have had their password reset by a bureaucrat',
[22:33:07] <siebrand>	^demon: "bureaucrat" is default, but could probably be more generic. Roles are configurable..
[22:33:21] <Marybelle>	Remove "by a bureaucrat"? :-)
[22:33:34] <siebrand>	^demon: could use "administrator" as a generic term, or what you're saying, indeed.
[22:33:36] <Marybelle>	For example, on WMF wikis it will likely ever be stewards who get this ability.
[22:33:40] <^demon>	I thought that would make it ambiguous, as self-resets aren't logged.
[22:33:45] <Prodego>	^demon: why would you want crats to be able to send a reset email
[22:33:49] <^demon>	So I went with bureaucrat.
[22:33:49] <Prodego>	anyone can do that anyway
[22:34:06] <^demon>	Prodego: This is for a hard-reset. Like when you reset your own.
[22:34:27] <Prodego>	so crats can arbitrarily change passwords to anything?
[22:34:42] <^demon>	Disabled by default, logged, but yes.
[22:34:45] <Prodego>	that is a horrible idea
[22:35:15] <MinuteElectron>	There are valid reasons for it.
[22:35:18] <Prodego>	oh I think I am just going to reset the password of this steward account
[22:35:29] <MinuteElectron>	"Disabled by default"
[22:35:33] <^demon>	Disabled by default. Never said WMF b-crats are getting it :)
[22:35:47] <Prodego>	that would be a problem anywhere, really 
[22:35:49] <Marybelle>	WMF bureaucrats would never get it.
[22:35:58] <Marybelle>	But stewards should.
[22:36:02] <Prodego>	no one should ever have the ability to change passwords
[22:36:08] <Marybelle>	In default MediaWiki, bureaucrats should get it.
[22:36:09] <Prodego>	esp on the WMF projects (even stewards)
[22:36:18] <Marybelle>	Well, that's your opinion.
[22:36:21] <Marybelle>	But it's wrong.
[22:36:27] <Prodego>	it violates the fundamental idea of passwords
[22:36:34] <^demon>	Prodego: Why not? It's a standard administrative function. There's an extension to do it, there's a maintenance script to do it.
[22:36:34] <Marybelle>	Not at all.
[22:36:38] <sekrit>	Prodego: on wikia, staff (employees) can change both e-mail and passwords
[22:36:48] <^demon>	Now that we have ChangePassword as its own page, it makes every bit of sense to support it in core.
[22:36:49] <sekrit>	via web interface
[22:37:05] <Prodego>	the whole point of a password is that only one person knows it
[22:37:13] <Marybelle>	This doesn't reveal the password.
[22:37:16] <Marybelle>	That's impossible to do.
[22:37:28] <Prodego>	but if you can change it to anything
[22:37:38] <Marybelle>	Right. That's the point.
[22:37:38] <^demon>	It's similar to your network admin changing your password to something arbitrarily.
[22:37:44] <MinuteElectron>	It will be logged, so any malicious activity will be caught.
[22:37:59] <^demon>	Your network admin could lock your account and not even tell you. At least this is publicly logged.
[22:39:36] <Marybelle>	Yes, logging is key. :-)
[22:39:48] <Prodego>	mm, I still don't think that is a good idea
[22:40:06] <Marybelle>	So write to the mailing list.
[22:40:07] <Prodego>	probably better handled in an extension
[22:40:25] *^demon 	shrugs
[22:40:39] <Marybelle>	I see no reason to put it in an extension only to have it merged into core in a year.
[22:40:51] <Marybelle>	As ^demon said, it's a common admin function of most software programs.
[22:41:02] <MinuteElectron>	There is already an extension for it anyway
[22:41:07] <Marybelle>	With logging, there's little chance of abuse. Though the one catch is reversibility.
[22:41:25] <Marybelle>	Is there any mechanism to reverse a change?
[22:42:01] <flyingparchment>	Prodego: if allowing administrators to change passwords defeats the entire point, why does every OS in existence allow it?
[22:42:15] <Prodego>	because root access is total access 
[22:42:32] <Marybelle>	And stewards were created specifically to be Wikimedia's root users.
[22:42:37] <flyingparchment>	not actually true, in some systems
[22:42:47] <Skizzerz>	Marybelle: email password feature could be used to "reverse" the changes
[22:42:49] <Prodego>	Marybelle: it will never happen on WMF, even for stewards
[22:42:49] <Marybelle>	This was no secret when they were created in 2004.
[22:43:01] <Prodego>	Skizzerz: once you have the password you can change the email
[22:43:19] <Prodego>	I can see how it might be useful for some wikis (used internally and such)
[22:43:20] <Reedy>	RoanKattouw, would it be difficult to turn it from a generator, into something where you could have a page links paramater exists/nonexists etc?
[22:43:28] <Skizzerz>	Prodego: generally users need to be trusted before they get +bcrat or w/e is needed to access it
[22:43:30] <Prodego>	but seems like it would be better as an extension 
[22:43:37] <Marybelle>	Prodego: No idea why you say that.
[22:43:47] <Prodego>	Skizzerz: true, but being able to impersonate anyone you want is bad :)
[22:43:59] <Skizzerz>	so are half the other admin functions when misused
[22:43:59] <Marybelle>	Not with logging! :-)
[22:44:02] <Skizzerz>	I don't see the issue here
[22:44:17] <Skizzerz>	being able to ban anyone you want is bad
[22:44:31] <Marybelle>	Especially with talk page access disabled. 
[22:44:32] <CIA-60>	03demon * r47640 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialResetpass.php: Only set cookies if it's us :p
[22:44:36] <Marybelle>	And e-mail disabled.
[22:44:38] <Skizzerz>	yet banning is in core
[22:44:46] <^demon>	Hehe, that was an oversight.
[22:44:49] <Skizzerz>	and there aren't any issues with giving trusted users that
[22:44:54] <Marybelle>	It directly limits a user's ability to complain about a bad block...
[22:45:22] <Skizzerz>	the ability to suppress edits and log entries is in core as well
[22:45:23] <Prodego>	Skizzerz: well the difference is that you can't impersonate someone by banning them
[22:45:47] <Skizzerz>	ok
[22:45:49] <Skizzerz>	how about this?
[22:45:51] <Prodego>	Marybelle: yes, and those functionalities are very misuesed
[22:45:57] <Skizzerz>	WMF has Renameuser enabled
[22:46:06] <Prodego>	yes, but you can still tell exactly which account is which
[22:46:13] <Skizzerz>	rename user X to something else, ban them, and then rename yourself
[22:46:14] <Marybelle>	You can only properly impersonate someone if the change goes undetected.
[22:46:19] <Marybelle>	Logging prevents that.
[22:46:33] <Skizzerz>	the functionality exists to pull this off regardless
[22:46:34] <Prodego>	Skizzerz: that would work if you suppressed the logs as well
[22:46:39] <Skizzerz>	yes
[22:46:41] <Prodego>	except some users can still see the log
[22:46:43] <Skizzerz>	same with resetting their passwords
[22:46:49] <Skizzerz>	you'd have to suppress the logs
[22:46:53] <Skizzerz>	in order to pull it off
[22:47:09] <Prodego>	no, because after you reset the password you can't tell who is in control
[22:47:23] <Skizzerz>	sure you can, to an extent
[22:47:26] <Prodego>	whereas with renaming you can
[22:47:39] <Skizzerz>	checkuser much?
[22:47:55] <Skizzerz>	if the person DOES hijack the account via password reset, a checkuser could easily verify that
[22:48:31] <Prodego>	not if no one checks
[22:48:33] <Skizzerz>	not to mention editing habits would change and I'm sure the original user would complain that someone stole their account
[22:48:50] <^demon>	Prodego: The same argument could go for any logged item. If no one checks the log, of course its useless.
[22:49:00] <Skizzerz>	anyway, to quote someone, "You're making mountains out of molehills"
[22:49:46] <^demon>	Anyway, I'm gone for the evening.
[22:50:27] <Prodego>	it is fundamentally bad in an environment where there is no way to confirm anyone's identity absolutely to give others the ability to take over the only identifying knowledge they have, that being the password
[22:51:08] <Skizzerz>	and there are ways to do this in the hundreds of other environments that allow changing a user's password?
[22:51:28] <flyingparchment>	did everyone forgot that a sysop can steal any account he wants by editing site js?
[22:51:31] <Prodego>	on, say, a company's wiki it is understandable, but that seems more like something an extension would be for
[22:51:33] <flyingparchment>	or user js
[22:51:47] <Prodego>	flyingparchment: well you can only do that if the user logs in
[22:52:03] <Skizzerz>	they'd have to eventually
[22:52:07] <flyingparchment>	which makes it hardly at all less serious
[22:52:08] <Prodego>	and they can just disable javascript
[22:52:18] <flyingparchment>	okay, so the 0.01% of editors who disable JS are safe
[22:52:31] <Prodego>	you probably would after you notice stuff exploding
[22:52:39] <Prodego>	I knnow I would
[22:52:42] <Prodego>	know*
[22:52:46] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r47641 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Minor tweaks to messages for password reset feature introduced in r47637
[22:52:50] <flyingparchment>	that's too late, the attacker has your account
[22:52:58] <flyingparchment>	and you might not even notice anything until the next time you go to log in, and can't
[22:53:16] <Prodego>	could you reset the password entirely by javascript
[22:53:19] <flyingparchment>	which is the same point you'd notice with passwordreset
[22:53:30] <flyingparchment>	yes
[22:53:35] <flyingparchment>	change email, request password by mail
[22:53:41] <Prodego>	either way it would be very obvious who the admin was
[22:53:45] <Skizzerz>	Prodego: AJAX could do all of that behind-the-scenes
[22:53:52] <Skizzerz>	same w/ password reset
[22:53:55] <flyingparchment>	why would it not be obvious with passwordreset?
[22:53:59] <Skizzerz>	there's a novel thing called "logs"
[22:54:06] <Skizzerz>	shows who does what & all
[22:54:19] <Prodego>	because there is no legitimate reason to use that js flyingparchment 
[22:54:27] <flyingparchment>	...
[22:54:34] <Prodego>	whereas you could easily say a password reset it legit, where it isn't
[22:54:50] <flyingparchment>	10:05AM: User:EvilSysop resets User:NiceGuy's password.  10:10AM: User:NiceGuy reports that someone stole his account
[22:54:54] <flyingparchment>	I WONDER WHO IT WAS
[22:55:01] <Marybelle>	EvilBureaucrat. ;-)
[22:55:48] <Marybelle>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17014 is a bit bizarre. People arguing that blocked users should be able to change user rights...
[22:56:04] <RoanKattouw>	Well blocked people can block and unblock people
[22:56:13] <Prodego>	flyingparchment: what if User:NiceGuy hasn't editing in 6 months
[22:56:18] <flyingparchment>	traditionally blocks have only affected editing
[22:56:21] <Marybelle>	RoanKattouw: Not anymore, I'm pretty sure.
[22:56:32] <Marybelle>	flyingparchment: Indeed. But we shifted away from that long ago.
[22:56:50] <RoanKattouw>	Prodego: You can search the logs by uesr
[22:56:51] <Skizzerz>	Prodego: what if there were no hypothetical situations?
[22:56:56] <Skizzerz>	stick to reality, please :)
[22:56:58] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r47642 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Add colon to 'resetpass-comment' for form messages consistency
[22:57:08] <Marybelle>	wikibugs seems dead.
[22:57:14] <Prodego>	Skizzerz: then we would have to wait for the hypotheticals to become real :)
[22:57:41] <Skizzerz>	what if a flying pig came down and possessed NiceBureaucrat to reset NiceGuy's password and then wiped his memory so that said flying pig would have the access but everyone thinks NiceBureaucrat does?
[22:57:56] <flyingparchment>	Skizzerz: omg, you have found the security hole!
[22:58:10] <Skizzerz>	go me
[22:58:25] <Prodego>	except if you remove the flying pig the same problem happens flyingparchment :)
[22:58:28] <Marybelle>	Hmm. I'd file a bug about that. Flying pigs are a real vulnerability. 
[22:58:39] <Marybelle>	Probably more severe than XSS.
[22:59:34] <Platonides>	NiceBureaucrat should have a string password, so flying pig can't possess him
[22:59:53] <Platonides>	*strong password
[23:00:14] <Prodego>	all passwords are strings, but not all string passwords are strong
[23:00:33] <Skizzerz>	but flying pig could just hover by NiceBureaucrat's window and memorize what keys he is pressing
[23:00:47] <Skizzerz>	so the obvious solution would just be to live underground
[23:00:51] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Flying pig vulnerability - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17606 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (river)
[23:00:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) move nds to nds-de, newly create nds locale - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17592  (10bugzilla.wikimedia)
[23:00:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Blocked users can use Special:UserRights - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17014  (10public)
[23:01:03] <Platonides>	or close the blinds
[23:02:59] <Marybelle>	Oh, damn, ^demon left.
[23:03:34] <Marybelle>	flyingparchment: Hahaha.
[23:05:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Flying pig vulnerability - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17606  +comment (10Platonides)
[23:05:59] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r47643 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Use plural in 'movesubpage'
[23:06:24] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Flying pig vulnerability - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17606  (10Prodego)
[23:06:44] <Pinky>	that should be highest priority
[23:07:17] <Prodego>	I've always wanted to use that invalid option
[23:09:24] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Flying pig vulnerability - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17606  +comment (10skizzerz)
[23:10:11] <Pinky>	hmm
[23:10:13] <Pinky>	good point Skizzerz 
[23:10:19] <Skizzerz>	indeed
[23:11:20] <Prodego>	why should features not used by the WMF be in core anywya
[23:11:23] <Prodego>	anyway*
[23:11:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Flying pig vulnerability - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17606  (10river)
[23:11:39] <Skizzerz>	the WMF accounts for 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of mediawikis in use
[23:11:50] <Marybelle>	I have no idea why you think this feature will never be used on WMF wikis.
[23:11:56] <Marybelle>	It's a pretty strange assumption.
[23:11:58] <Prodego>	because it won't
[23:12:05] <Pinky>	this looks like a tough vulnerability to fix
[23:12:19] <Skizzerz>	Prodego: mergehistory?
[23:12:25] <Skizzerz>	deleterevision?
[23:12:35] <Prodego>	Skizzerz: we have the latter now :)
[23:12:41] <Skizzerz>	$wgSMTP?
[23:13:01] <Prodego>	difference between functionality and features
[23:13:04] <flyingparchment>	btw, passwordreset is strongly wanted by private wikis, who need to deny users read access
[23:13:08] <flyingparchment>	(by deleting their password)
[23:13:18] <Pinky>	I would assign this one to God, flyingparchment, maybe He can come up with something?
[23:13:24] <Prodego>	I agree on that, it would be good for internal wikis
[23:13:28] <Skizzerz>	Pinky: do so?
[23:13:29] <Marybelle>	The English Wikipedia ArbCom wiki has that issue.
[23:13:33] <Prodego>	but isn't there an extension for it?
[23:13:36] <flyingparchment>	Prodego: internal wikis like internal.wikimedia.org?
[23:13:36] <Pinky>	what's his email?
[23:13:45] <Skizzerz>	steve@heaven.com ?
[23:13:58] <Pinky>	ah
[23:14:03] <Skizzerz>	should probably check to ensure that said email doesn't exist though ;)
[23:14:07] <Prodego>	I meant internal to a company or something, I am not all that familiar with internal.wikimedia
[23:14:14] <Pinky>	heh
[23:14:19] <flyingparchment>	Prodego: it's an internal wiki with restricted read access.  they want the ability to reset passwords
[23:14:20] <Skizzerz>	Prodego: Special:BlockMe
[23:14:23] <Marybelle>	You seem to not be familiar with a lot of things...
[23:14:29] <Skizzerz>	I've never seen any WMF wiki use that
[23:14:31] <Prodego>	Skizzerz: that /was/ used by the WMF
[23:14:31] <flyingparchment>	haha, blockme.  wasn't that used by the open proxy checker?
[23:14:35] <flyingparchment>	like, years and years ago
[23:14:39] <Prodego>	it is kept for compatibility 
[23:14:42] <Prodego>	flyingparchment: yep
[23:14:47] <Marybelle>	Compatibility with what?
[23:14:49] <Pinky>	I think heaven would be a .org in any case
[23:14:53] <Prodego>	Marybelle: that is what tim said
[23:14:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) move nds to nds-de, newly create nds locale - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17592  +comment (10siebrand)
[23:15:02] <Skizzerz>	Special:LockDB / Special:UnlockDB
[23:15:21] <Skizzerz>	since nobody uses the developer group in wmf anymore, is there a point of keeping those two around?
[23:15:23] <Prodego>	weren't those also used by the WMF at one point
[23:15:35] <flyingparchment>	lockdb was a silly idea that was never used
[23:15:47] <flyingparchment>	i don't think it was even used for the only non-sysadmin use i can think of, which is closing wikis
[23:16:50] <Skizzerz>	or, how about the 'hideuser' permission?
[23:17:21] <Skizzerz>	which wasn't even documented until I discovered it while going through SpecialBlockip.php
[23:17:56] <Prodego>	I think that one is used on internal
[23:18:51] <flyingparchment>	only reference to it in the config is on test
[23:19:35] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Grammar forms update for Latin language (la) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17607 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: General/Unknown; (uv.wiki)
[23:27:41] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) create more complex fallback language rules. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17608 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (bugzilla.wikimedia)
[23:28:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) create more complex fallback language rules. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17608  (10bugzilla.wikimedia)
[23:28:42] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r47644 10/trunk/extensions/WikimediaMessages/WikimediaGrammarForms.php: (bug 17607) Grammar forms update for Latin
[23:28:49] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Grammar forms update for Latin language (la) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17607  +comment (10siebrand)
[23:33:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) create more complex fallback language rules. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17608  (10siebrand)
[23:37:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) create more complex fallback language rules. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17608  (10bugzilla.wikimedia)
[23:56:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Flying pig vulnerability - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17606  (10Platonides)