[00:03:47] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r47733 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Title.php: whitespace/style tweak
[00:12:09] <CIA-60>	03river * r47734 10/trunk/tools/ts-specs/ (9 files in 4 dirs): 
[00:12:09] <CIA-60>	TSserf: new spec
[00:12:09] <CIA-60>	TSsubversion: use serf instead of libneon to avoid a neon bug which sends negative content-length
[00:49:58] <CIA-60>	03dale * r47735 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/maintenance/ (3 files): maintenance updates
[01:19:42] <CIA-60>	03river * r47736 10/trunk/tools/ts-specs/ (TSgit.spec patches/git-01-ginstall.diff): TSgit: new package
[01:26:57] <A0B5E>	i habe al problem with my mediawiki, can anybody help me
[01:27:17] <A0B5E>	?
[01:27:21] <p858snake>	!ask | A0B5E
[01:27:21] --mwbot--	A0B5E: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[01:32:37] <A0B5E>	i have install the mediawiki with default language german, after the installation i have fill the wiki with contents. I would like change the language of the interface in englisch. if i change the $wgLanguageCode in LocalSettings.php and make the rebuild with the Script rebuildMessages.php, i have a blnak wiki. All contents are deleted. if i change the language in $$wgLanguageCode again to en, the contents are rebuild 
[01:33:35] <A0B5E>	edit: if i change the language in $$wgLanguageCode again to de, the contents are rebuild 
[01:33:54] <A0B5E>	how can i change the language to en
[01:34:40] <A0B5E>	?
[01:37:59] <chuck>	A0B5E: all the content is *deleted* when you change it to english? O_o
[01:38:15] <A0B5E>	yes that�s right
[01:38:26] <chuck>	note that the page titles and stuff will all be the same, so you'll have to enter them in german if they were in german before
[01:42:31] <A0B5E>	ok, the content i have written in the wiki is english, i have accidentally by the installation german selected. On this reason is the interface german, but i will have it in englisch. how can i make this
[01:43:18] <A0B5E>	chuck
[01:45:03] <chuck>	A0B5E: changing the wiki language shouldn't remove any content
[01:45:18] <chuck>	just change the language to english and then refresh your browser
[01:46:13] <Simetrical>	Whee, bash 4.0.
[01:46:30] <A0B5E>	chuck: the wiki is complete empty if i change the language in localsettings.php, on this reason exist the script rebuildmessages.php
[01:46:35] <flyingparchment>	Simetrical: is it POSIX compliant yet?
[01:46:38] <A0B5E>	rebuildmessages rebuild all content
[01:47:02] <chuck>	A0B5E: sorry, I don't know what is wrong, but the old wiki pages should still exist
[01:47:06] <Simetrical>	flyingparchment, dunno, they didn't say.  I assume you still have to use --posix.
[01:47:44] <Simetrical>	(You arguably shouldn't link /bin/sh to /bin/bash anyway, /bin/dash is probably better for that.  At least, that's what Ubuntu thinks.)
[01:48:19] <flyingparchment>	well, there are plenty of POSIX-compliant shells around
[01:48:29] <A0B5E>	chuck: yes, the pages are not deleted, if i change the language again in german, the content is there
[01:48:30] <flyingparchment>	but lots of linuxes still use bash for /bin/sh, and lots of scripts use #!/bin/bash
[01:48:57] <Simetrical>	Well, #!/bin/bash doesn't hurt anyone, unless for some reason you don't have bash installed.  It's #!/bin/sh when you mean #!/bin/bash that's bad.
[01:49:12] *Simetrical 	was bitten by that when moving to Ubuntu, for a couple of his own scripts.
[01:49:21] <flyingparchment>	#!/bin/bash gives you a non-posix-compliant shell, is my point
[01:49:53] <chuck>	are you supposed to use #!/bin/sh for shell scripts?
[01:50:14] <Simetrical>	flyingparchment, well, #!/usr/bin/python also doesn't give you a POSIX-compliant shell, so what?
[01:50:37] <Simetrical>	chuck, if you don't want to assume the existence of a specific shell on the system, yes.
[01:50:54] <flyingparchment>	Simetrical: why would anyone expect it to?  a lot of people expect bash to be posix
[01:51:23] <Simetrical>	Well, those people are wrong.  Actually, a considerable number of GNU utilities aren't quite POSIX-compliant unless you flip the right switches.
[01:53:03] <A0B5E>	chuck: i can show you it on the url
[01:56:47] <Simetrical>	flyingparchment, actually, the announcement says that "The shell has been changed to be more rigorous about parsing commands inside command substitutions, fixing one piece of Posix non-compliance."
[03:04:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Image redirects from the shared repo don't show "redirected from" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14117  +comment (10thinboy00)
[03:34:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Implement rev_deleted (deletion of single article revisions) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3576  +comment (10thinboy00)
[03:37:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SVGs fail to render silently if they contain an <image /> element - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3537  +comment (10codedread)
[03:40:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Implement rev_deleted (deletion of single article revisions) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3576  +comment (10skizzerz)
[03:54:07] <karl_s>	anyone know about using mediawiki markup in tikiwiki?
[04:03:04] <aegis>	Hi all, has anyone been getting errors in Ubuntu since the mediawiki upgrade?  My wikidb is all hosed and the page won't display properly...  Error: 1033 Incorrect information in file: './wikidb/objectcache.frm' (localhost) (just to start)...
[04:04:20] <aegis>	I've tried running update.php but it fails...  " failed with error code "Table 'querycache' already exists (localhost)".
[04:19:20] <HappyDog>	Is there anyone about who can help me a bit with the CodeReview extension?
[04:19:33] <Marybelle>	!ask 
[04:19:33] --mwbot--	Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[04:19:34] <Marybelle>	;-)
[04:20:05] <HappyDog>	*grin* - Yeah, I know that... this is pretty specific though.
[04:20:17] <HappyDog>	My guess is that not many people have touched that code... 
[04:20:24] <HappyDog>	(could be wrong though)
[04:21:10] <HappyDog>	OK - The problem is that I have setup a repo and it's all working fine, but diffs aren't being calculated (except the 50 pre-cached ones)
[04:31:23] <shortc|desk>	After a bit of a scare today with my Slice being physically rebooted by automated management software, I'm taking database backups seriously.  What do folks who run their own wikis use to do backups of live MySQL databases backing MediaWiki?
[04:32:06] <flyingparchment>	mysql replication
[04:32:11] <flyingparchment>	but you can do mysqldump --single-transaction, too
[04:32:39] <shortc|desk>	I can't afford the resources for replication, but --single-transaction sounds perfect.
[04:41:02] <p858snake>	!backup | shortc|desk
[04:41:02] --mwbot--	shortc|desk: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki
[04:41:08] <p858snake>	maybe
[04:46:29] <OverlordQ>	does mysqlhotcopy work? or are there Inno tables?
[04:48:04] <shortc|desk>	bleh.  I don't have phpmyadmin set up any more (PITA to get access to it without making it somehow accessible to the rest of the world).  I don't know the database structure off the top of my head.
[04:48:18] <shortc|desk>	Trying to find the mysql CLI commands to find out.
[04:54:25] <Marybelle>	&tagfilter= in URLs is kinda cluttery. Especially next to &year=
[04:54:29] <Marybelle>	Long URLs. :-/
[05:01:18] <werdnum>	Marybelle: I fixed API rights on tswiki \o/
[05:01:28] <werdnum>	05:01 < msgbot> (resolved) [TS-181] Fix API rights on TS wiki <https://jira.toolserver.org/browse/TS-181>  (Andrew Garrett)
[05:01:32] <Marybelle>	Wheeee. :-)
[05:02:01] <Marybelle>	Thanks. :-)
[05:02:43] <shortc|desk>	OverlordQ: Looks like there are four InnoDB tables.
[05:07:58] <shortc|desk>	Hm.  The database is 161MB in size right now.
[05:08:36] <shortc|desk>	p858snake: The thing that worries me is that in the time it takes to backup the entire database, MediaWiki might make changes, leading my backup to reflect data in an inconsistent state.
[05:08:53] <flyingparchment>	that's what --single-transaction fixes
[05:09:07] <flyingparchment>	although if you only have 4 innodb tables, something is weird and it might not sure.  all the tables should be innodb except objectcache
[05:10:31] <p858snake>	you should be locking your db's beforeing updating them
[05:10:46] <flyingparchment>	i think he's talking about people editing the wiki
[05:11:19] <p858snake>	people can't edit it if its locked
[05:11:32] <flyingparchment>	you mean lock the db before dumping it?
[05:11:38] <p858snake>	yes
[05:11:47] <flyingparchment>	shouldn't be necessary if you use --single-transaction
[05:13:15] <shortc|desk>	p858snake: Whatever's happening with the wiki is whatever MediaWiki does with it normally.  I haven't dug into the source code to learn MW's locking semantics.
[05:14:31] <shortc|desk>	flyingparchment: My database has been through a series of upgrades, one after another, since January 2007.  It's entirely possible that whatever version of MW I set up at the time used MYISAM instead of InnoDB.  Or maybe I specified it then.  I don't know; I knew squat about MW and databases at the time...
[05:14:50] <flyingparchment>	shortc|desk: mediawiki has never used myisam
[05:15:00] <flyingparchment>	(except perhaps for versions that existed before it even had version numbers)
[05:15:37] <flyingparchment>	there's no reason to use myisam except on a small test wiki with a single user.. everywhere else it's going to be slower and cause problems (like this)
[05:15:49] <flyingparchment>	but you can still use --lock-tables, which will prevent anyone from editing while the dump is in progress
[05:16:10] <shortc|desk>	flyingparchment: Looking at it, all but four are MyISAM.  I don't know what to say...
[05:16:35] <shortc|desk>	How painful will it be to convert them?
[05:17:49] <shortc|desk>	Ow.
[05:17:53] <flyingparchment>	not at all.  but don't convert searchindex, that has to be myisam
[05:18:00] <shortc|desk>	I just realized that using --lock-tables could lead to a deadlock of sorts.
[05:18:16] <shortc|desk>	My main page uses xfeeds to pull in the site's blog, which sits in the same database.
[05:20:27] <shortc|desk>	(An artifact of bouncing from hosting provider to hosting provider over the last couple years.)
[05:24:38] <shortc|desk>	flyingparchment: Do I need to take the wiki down for the conversion process, or is this something I can do live?
[05:45:11] <jbalint>	hi generous users of mediawiki
[05:45:28] <jbalint>	how do i put [] in a url?
[05:47:53] <Emachman>	Short answer: You can't.
[05:48:14] <Emachman>	However, you can use it without the brackets, and put a notice at the top of the page.
[05:48:45] <jbalint>	hrm, ok
[05:52:02] <p858snake>	can't you do {{urlencode=<whatever>}} and do it that way or something
[05:52:29] <p858snake>	i didn't think you could have [] in urls anyway (well validness)
[05:54:03] <p858snake>	or you could do http://whatever.whatever/someweirdname%5B01%5D.png and that should be the same as http://whatever.whatever/someweirdname[01].png
[06:01:18] <luna6>	this might be a little obvious (I can't find the information anywhere)... how do you make a table float right (like infoboxes)  ?
[06:02:18] <p858snake>	{| class="wikitable" border="1" align="right"
[06:02:44] <luna6>	ok ill give that a shot thanks psnake
[06:21:58] <luna6>	hmm I updated to mw 1.14 i just noticed the edit links for sections are now invisible to anonymous users
[06:22:17] <luna6>	my localsettings has the same setting as before "$wgDefaultUserOptions ['editsection'] = 1;"
[06:26:29] <Galaxy_Stranger>	I'm doing my second MySQL install on CentOS.  My "super user" account isn't able to connect to complete the installation.  As I recall, this happened to me before, but I can't remember how I got around it.
[06:26:38] <Galaxy_Stranger>	My MySQL logs don't say anything.
[06:26:54] <Galaxy_Stranger>	Is this a MySQLD access problem?
[06:28:58] <Galaxy_Stranger>	Do I need to explicitly allow root remote access?
[06:29:31] <luna6>	mysql channel might be a place to ask that?
[06:29:38] <luna6>	might be better place ..
[06:30:36] <Galaxy_Stranger>	of course, nobody installing MediaWiki has ever had this problem before
[06:55:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Duplicate image reuploading should be forbidden - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15676  +comment (10cuerden)
[06:55:13] <luna6>	the edit section tabs has mysteriously vanished for anonymous users after upgrade to 1.14 !
[06:57:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Image thumbnail generator adding large amounts of artefacts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15488  (10cuerden)
[07:03:16] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Image thumbnailing for certain images broken, causing these images to be unusable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17645 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Images; (cuerden)
[07:03:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Image thumbnailing for certain images broken, causing these images to be unusable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17645  normal->highest (10cuerden)
[07:04:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Image thumbnailing for certain images broken, causing these images to be unusable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17645  15enhancement->04BLOCKER (10cuerden)
[07:33:40] <Sadik_Khalid>	Hi, .SVG image with Malayalam text not rendering properly in Wikipedia & Commons. http://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Scheme_cat_anatomy-ml.svg
[07:34:30] <Sadik_Khalid>	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/Scheme_cat_anatomy-ml.svg - but this one is fine
[08:05:50] <CIA-60>	03catrope * r47738 10/trunk/wikiation/ (96 files in 15 dirs): Wikiation: Redo r47722 properly: the right property in svn:eol-style=native
[08:49:35] <maddog>	good morning
[08:52:19] <maddog>	Is it possible to change the order in which the elements appear in the print view? For example the index after the first heading
[09:42:41] <bladerunner1>	Please excuse my low level of knowledge. Ive been pouring through the administration and user guides for mediawiki trying to learn about namespaces and categories. I wish to create some basic 'categories' for mediawiki to which articles will go under. Can anybody point me to a basic link on this subject or explain whether I am to use 'namespaces' or whether I can just create categories
[09:43:18] <bladerunner1>	Ive seen Help:Categories and Help:Namespaces but I'm used to a more structured learning approach I'm not getting a consistant idea here
[09:44:52] <Splarka>	to categorize a page, you put a link to the category on a page... for example on "Cat" you might add [[Category:Animals]]
[09:45:06] <Splarka>	the list of pages in that category is avaiable in the page "Category:Animals"
[09:45:16] <Splarka>	namspaces have a particular meaning in MediaWiki...
[09:45:27] <Splarka>	"Cat" is in the main namespace, as it has no prefix
[09:45:43] <bladerunner1>	yeh, thats what i figured, they are tied to core functionality, so i wasnt sure whether to use them or not and did not yet get a full picture of that
[09:45:50] <Splarka>	"Categor:Animals" is in the Category namespace, this is a special namespace... links to it do not create links, but instead categorize pages
[09:45:56] <Splarka>	er Category
[09:46:12] <Splarka>	another example of a namespace is Image: or File:
[09:46:22] <bladerunner1>	And i can download something like "categorytree" extension which will assist with this basic category concept
[09:46:26] <Splarka>	instead of creating a link to the page, like [[Cat]] would to "Cat", it embeds the image inline
[09:46:43] <Duesentrieb>	!categories | bladerunner1
[09:46:43] --mwbot--	bladerunner1: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Categories
[09:46:43] <Splarka>	yah
[09:46:50] <Splarka>	but the idea of namespaces takes some getting used to, in mediawiki
[09:47:01] <Duesentrieb>	!namespaces | bladerunner1
[09:47:01] --mwbot--	bladerunner1: For help with understanding and manipulating namespaces, please consult <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Namespace>. See also !extranamespace
[09:47:11] <Splarka>	jesus fucking lazy helpers
[09:47:16] <Splarka>	Duesentrieb: <bladerunner1> Ive seen Help:Categories
[09:47:23] <Splarka>	please read up before popping in and dumping mwbottings
[09:47:38] <bladerunner1>	:D Thanks, i can imagine the lamen questions would get tiring, i really appreciate your extra explaination
[09:47:56] <Splarka>	there are 16 default namespaces in MediaWiki
[09:47:59] <Duesentrieb>	bladerunner1: well, namespaces are quite simple... imaging you have a user called "Merlin" but you also want a page about the magician (or the falcon). so you have Merlin and User:Merlin
[09:48:15] <Splarka>	and these 16 generally have special functionality
[09:48:31] <Splarka>	you can add more custom ones as you need them, but generally they are better for meta information regarding the wiki, rather than dividing content
[09:48:37] <Duesentrieb>	bladerunner1: the page Talk:Merlin would be a discussion abotu the page Merlin. User_talk:Merlin would be the user's discussion page
[09:48:40] <bladerunner1>	ahhh, I'm getting a bigger picture of namespace use now
[09:48:44] <Splarka>	note that simply prefixing a page with Namespace: does not create a namespace
[09:48:56] <Splarka>	Foobar:Flibble is in the NS_MAIN unless you've defined Foobar:
[09:49:18] <Splarka>	Duesentrieb wikt:redundancy
[09:49:33] <bladerunner1>	I think now that i have this focus when i re-read things ive got it
[09:49:39] <bladerunner1>	thanks again
[09:49:45] <Splarka>	rar
[09:50:35] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r47739 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (GlobalFunctions.php Profiler.php): 
[09:50:36] <CIA-60>	* Fixed $wgProfileToDatabase/$wgProfileCallTree interaction (later disabled the former)
[09:50:36] <CIA-60>	* Made $wgProfileLimit actually work (bug 17485)
[09:50:42] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Usage of wgProfileLimit not implemented - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17485  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[09:50:57] <bladerunner1>	Mediawiki isnt the kind of thing you master over a weekend. Which is also good because its entirely extensible
[09:51:37] <Splarka>	"mostly harmless"
[09:53:11] <bladerunner1>	I am kind of beginning to wonder whether i selected the right framework for what i want because I've disabled non-user editing and added a moderation extension. So everything is moderated (thus taking away one of mediawiki's key strengths), however I've also just added caching so I guess that will offset some of the overhead
[09:53:46] <bladerunner1>	in exchange for the slower speed in updating pages
[09:54:34] <Splarka>	the "cool" factor has to be acknowledged
[09:55:58] <AaronSchulz>	bladerunner1: did you see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Aaron_Schulz/How_to_make_MediaWiki_fast ?
[09:56:08] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Downloads not working via ExtensionDistributor - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17646 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: ExtensionDistributor; (p858snake)
[09:57:10] <bladerunner1>	Splarka: hahah
[09:57:29] <bladerunner1>	Aaronshulz: reading now thankyou
[09:57:29] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r47740 10/trunk/extensions/Renameuser/SpecialRenameuser_body.php: (bug 17282) Disallow users renames to usernames otherwise forbidden on creation
[09:57:34] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Users can be renamed to usernames forbidden on creation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17282  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[09:58:20] <bladerunner1>	I had just installed HTML caching because I'm unfarmiliar with memcache but I had always planned to look into it soon
[09:59:20] <AaronSchulz>	what is the url?
[09:59:23] <Duesentrieb>	html caching is good for flat page views from anons. memcached speeds up much of the internal operations. also install an opcode cache. in fact, if you use a singe server, you don't really need memcached if you have the opcode cache.
[09:59:43] <Duesentrieb>	for multiple servers, memcached is good, because it's shared between boxes.,
[10:01:59] <bladerunner1>	Its on my wamp windows server now, I might stay in here a while so i can keep getting inspiration and ideas like this though, ill demo it soon!
[10:02:28] <bladerunner1>	I made a custom CSS (which I'm sure a lot of people have done), but i did strip down the css and template code quite a lot to make it easy
[10:03:38] <bladerunner1>	Duesentrieb: yeh when i first tried to go over most of the admin manuals I read that it can take common parts of php code and optimise the server side delivery, I supposed that due to its complexity and me not knowing enough, for now I would set it aside, I already did read a study showing that it was most beneficial on shared servers which further cemented that notion
[10:03:51] <Duesentrieb>	bladerunner1: to avopid confusion, note that "templates" are an an in-wiki concept while the outer html cruft is called the "skin".
[10:03:53] <bladerunner1>	I'm gong to read opcode cache though, I didnt read that
[10:04:17] <bladerunner1>	true, mostly adjustments to the skin, minor adjustments to template
[10:04:58] <Duesentrieb>	the naming is a constant source of confusion. specially because there's also the skintemplaote stuff, which has *nothing* to do twith "real" templates.
[10:05:43] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r47741 10/trunk/extensions/ExtensionDistributor/ExtensionDistributor.php: Remove REL1_11 in ExtensionDistributor. Has been out of support since September 2008.
[10:05:54] <Splarka>	php namespaces vs mediawiki namespaces, sysop vs system operator, "delete" in mediawiki vs actually deleting
[10:06:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) It should be possible to "unlock" additional restriction types - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17441  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[10:07:26] <Splarka>	as well as "stylepath" being /skin/, scriptpath not being for javascript, and articlepath for all namespaces, heh
[10:07:50] <bladerunner1>	that actually got me at the start
[10:07:55] <Splarka>	and then multiply all those words by a hundred languages...
[10:08:18] <bladerunner1>	Because I had setup a mod_rewrite so i could scale to my shared hosting environment, and my absolute vs relative paths
[10:09:02] <simonrvn>	Splarka: just a matter of memorizing what's what, i suppose. =;)
[10:10:29] <p858snake>	is siebrand hiding in this channel under a another name by any chance?
[10:11:22] <Splarka>	he's online out of chan as siebrand: "siebrand is away: Auto away", at least
[10:11:27] <Splarka>	in #mediawiki-i18n 
[10:11:46] <Splarka>	hmm, using mibbit, maybe he's travelling
[10:15:01] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Make the Edittools work properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17647 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CharInsert; (Gerard.meijssen)
[10:21:05] <OverlordQ>	bad summary lol
[11:01:01] <maddog>	Is it possible to change the order in which the elements appear in the print view? For example the index after the first heading..
[11:02:10] *Duesentrieb 	stabs his isp
[11:15:51] <kraut>	moin
[11:21:08] <piksi>	how easy is it to integrate the users on the system into mediawiki? i.e. all normal users added with adduser become wiki users and wiki simply authenticates them without having to add any users into the wiki db?
[11:21:39] <piksi>	the authentication page and its extensions are largely outdated..
[11:22:48] <bladerunner1>	although I'm new, I may be able to help
[11:23:44] <bladerunner1>	I'm not quite understanding your question, though. What method of authentication do you want instead of standard
[11:24:05] <piksi>	bladerunner1: authenticating against existing normal users on the server i'm running mw
[11:24:42] <bladerunner1>	When you say "normal users' do you mean linux system users
[11:24:50] <piksi>	yes
[11:24:52] <bladerunner1>	users from a different web application database (such as mysql)
[11:24:53] <piksi>	because i have a few other services which do that and i'd love the users to be able to access all services with their normal unix account username and pwd 
[11:25:12] <bladerunner1>	I see, I havnt researched that but Id say it should be simple enough
[11:25:18] <bladerunner1>	Let me do a quick search with you
[11:25:42] <bladerunner1>	There we are 
[11:26:00] <bladerunner1>	As I said i'm new but I thought i might try answer a few as payback for help received
[11:26:06] <bladerunner1>	It appears there are a few extensions on this topic
[11:26:30] <bladerunner1>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LDAP_Authentication
[11:26:56] <bladerunner1>	What about somethign like that
[11:27:00] <piksi>	as i said above, it's way outdated
[11:27:25] <piksi>	i've already browsed through the authentication page and its extensions
[11:27:46] <bladerunner1>	my bad
[11:28:12] <piksi>	np
[11:28:16] <piksi>	i'll look further :-)
[11:28:17] <bladerunner1>	Are you saying that the extension doesnt work, or it fails on something such as speed
[11:31:17] <Danny_B>	is it possible to run one copy of mediawiki code over two (or more) databases or does every single wiki have to have its own copy of code?
[11:41:27] <bladerunner1>	maddog: I'm assuming that the print layout for mediawiki is a derivative of the template installed and template.php file inside the skins directory
[11:42:15] <bladerunner1>	either that or one of the parent php files, I just did a quick look havnt found it yet, I doubt it should be too hard it will jsut require you looking through all the files, I would try searching for the URI function to point myself int he right direction
[11:52:54] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r47742 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialRevisiondelete.php: Correct fix for r47709: the second parameter to wfTimestamp() was supposed to be $row->ar_timestamp :)
[11:53:45] <juergen3>	Hi. Is the language german or english here?
[11:54:30] <flyingparchment>	yes
[11:55:22] <juergen3>	Ok :-) english
[11:55:38] <juergen3>	But I have a question related to the german Umlaute
[11:56:06] <juergen3>	I am trying out to backup and install on a new machine
[11:56:22] <maddog>	bladerunner1: k, thanks for the hint..i'll have a look at that
[11:56:39] <juergen3>	Now all german Umlaute are wrong. Is that a problem of mysql or mediawiki
[11:56:41] <juergen3>	?
[11:56:55] <juergen3>	Everything else works fine
[11:57:18] <flyingparchment>	did you create the backup using mysqldump?
[11:57:49] <juergen3>	Let me check the cron file. I cannot remeber
[11:59:38] <juergen3>	Yes. It is mysqldump -u etc
[11:59:48] <flyingparchment>	do it again, but add this: --default-character-set=latin1
[12:00:45] <juergen3>	Ok. I'll try and report :-) Thanks for the help
[12:07:47] <werdnum>	hi
[12:10:56] <ialex>	hello werdnum
[12:10:58] <Duesentrieb>	i found that under some conditions, it helps to add "SET NAMES UTF8" to the top of a dump file. but it all depends on what way your charset confusion is going.
[12:11:22] <werdnum>	ialex: hello hello
[12:14:23] <juergen3>	So. I tried and it did not work. I do still have wrong Umlaute
[12:15:40] <juergen3>	The Umlaute are only wrong in the titles of pages. The content is correct
[12:18:57] <juergen3>	Is there a forum, where I can place my question?
[12:37:32] <bladerunner1>	wow, wikipatterns has just blown my mind with ideas
[12:37:42] <bladerunner1>	thats a decent resource right there
[12:42:44] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) List global group rights similar to Special:ListGroupRights - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15030  +comment (10Andrew)
[12:59:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Image thumbnail generator adding large amounts of artefacts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15488  (10tstarling)
[13:01:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Image thumbnail generator adding large amounts of artefacts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15488  (10tstarling)
[13:02:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Image thumbnail generator adding large amounts of artefacts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15488  (10tstarling)
[13:11:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Image thumbnail generator adding large amounts of artefacts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15488  (10tstarling)
[13:20:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) List global group rights similar to Special:ListGroupRights - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15030  (10happy_melon)
[13:25:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) List global group rights similar to Special:ListGroupRights - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15030  (10Andrew)
[13:25:57] <bladerunner1>	Is the only way to disallow certain namespaces with: 
[13:26:00] <bladerunner1>	$wgGroupPermissions['approved']['editmain'] = true;
[13:26:00] <bladerunner1>	$wgNamespaceProtection[NS_XXX] = array( 'editmain' );
[13:26:34] <bladerunner1>	on all namespaces, isnt there any inverse equation where I can disallow then say which to allow rather than allow then disallow every single namespace
[13:26:49] <bladerunner1>	according to: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual_talk:User_rights This is the only method
[13:27:44] <werdnum>	MediaWiki is designed with a deny, allow security model.
[13:27:51] <werdnum>	If you want to do that, you can write a little script, of course
[13:27:59] <werdnum>	$wgDisallowedNamespaces = array();
[13:29:04] <werdnum>	$wgAllNamespaces = array_merge( array( NS_MAIN, NS_TALK, NS_USER, NS_USER_TALK, NS_PROJECT, NS_PROJECT_TALK, NS_MEDIAWIKI, NS_MEDIAWIKI_TALK, NS_FILE, NS_FILE_TALK ), array_keys( $wgExtraNamespaces ) );
[13:29:24] <bladerunner1>	Wow, thanks that saved me the reference
[13:29:49] <bladerunner1>	I initially thought that seemed cumbersome but it would be seldom that you would create a new namespace and with proper commenting I will remember to check this
[13:29:57] <bladerunner1>	thanks again
[13:30:01] <werdnum>	foreach( $wgAllNamespaces as $namespace ) if (!in_array( $wgDisallowedNamespaces, $ns ) ) $wgNamespaceProtection[$ns] = 'approved';
[13:30:12] <werdnum>	Note: It is 12:30 and I am tired and jetlagged.
[13:31:13] <werdnum>	hi Reedy 
[13:31:46] <Reedy>	hey werdnum
[13:37:54] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Enable extension VariablesExtension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7865  +comment (10pa.dohnalek)
[13:42:55] <CIA-60>	03jojo * r47743 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/ (README.txt helppages/): removed helppages/ directory, added reference to meta wiki in README.txt instead
[13:45:34] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) If the toolbar isn't shown, <br clear="both"/> is missing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17648 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (church.of.emacs.ml)
[13:47:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) If the toolbar isn't shown, <br clear="both"/> is missing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17648  (10church.of.emacs.ml)
[13:51:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) If the toolbar isn't shown, <br clear="both"/> is missing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17648  +comment (10church.of.emacs.ml)
[14:01:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) List global group rights similar to Special:ListGroupRights - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15030  (10happy_melon)
[14:14:51] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Something Strange with SVG - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14336  +comment (10dasch_87)
[14:14:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Patch for generateSitemap.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14397  +comment (10dasch_87)
[14:36:57] <Shifty>	hi all
[14:38:01] <Shifty>	i have a problem after upgrading from mediawiki 1.6.10 to 1.14.0 ... if i access the page i get "The page isn't redirecting properly" what could that be?
[14:50:55] <Sardukar>	In the userlist, I am shown as a sysop. However, when I "List" all members of the sysop group, I am not listed. I also don't have sysop permissions like delete.
[14:50:58] <Sardukar>	Any idea what has happened?
[14:56:00] <Sardukar>	I also seem to have no access to the user rights page
[15:02:13] <CIA-60>	03daniel * r47744 10/trunk/WikiWord/WikiWordBuilder/src/main/java/de/brightbyte/wikiword/store/builder/ (3 files): force index for resolve alias queries
[15:02:48] <CIA-60>	03daniel * r47745 10/trunk/WikiWord/WikiWord/src/main/php/ (. config.sample.php wikiword.php wwutils.php): started php query interface
[15:03:21] <Sardukar>	select mw_user_groups.ug_group from mw_user_groups, mw_user where mw_user.user_name = 'Jedwards' AND mw_user_groups.ug_user = mw_user.user_id;
[15:03:28] <Sardukar>	gives result bureaucrat and sysop
[15:03:43] <Sardukar>	but still I don't have effective sysop permissions, or am I listed under the group listing for "Sysop"
[15:04:30] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) XHTML validation errors -- some "id" attributes are not unique - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17650 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (ben.rimmington)
[15:05:19] <Duesentrieb>	Sardukar: then you are looking at the wrong database perhaps. or soemthing is very very broken.
[15:07:02] <Sardukar>	this is on a default install, with 3 custom namespaces (all with IDs > 100)
[15:08:18] <Duesentrieb>	no clue. must be server pixies.
[15:11:29] <CIA-60>	03daniel * r47746 10/trunk/WikiWord/WikiWordBuilder/src/main/java/de/brightbyte/wikiword/store/builder/DatabasePropertyStoreBuilder.java: fixed bad class import
[15:21:53] <NetHunter>	Is Bugzilla down?
[15:23:44] <Nikerabbit>	should it be?
[15:24:01] <Nikerabbit>	RESOLVED WORKSFORME
[15:24:41] <NetHunter>	hmm, didn't work for me earlier. Now it does.
[15:30:38] <BLTnoTomato>	when doing a DumpHTML.php, is there a way for only extracting the content, without all the header/footer/nav mumbo-jumbo?
[15:34:22] <mib_whoow57c>	i am getting the error "Could not create directory "public/4/44"." when i attempt to upload a file. i have went in to media wiki help and changed what is needed to localphp but i am not very familiar with php...can anyone help me?
[15:42:39] <Nikerabbit>	mib_whoow57c: you need correct file system permissions
[15:47:06] <Sardukar>	Duesentrieb, found the problem
[15:47:22] <Sardukar>	mw_user_groups.ug_group are varbinary fields
[15:47:31] <Sardukar>	even though their contents 'looked fine' via the shell (using mysql cli)
[15:47:50] <Sardukar>	they had some trash data (i.e. sysop[trashhere^"$%^&$])
[15:47:59] <Sardukar>	emptying this table and recreating entries fixed it
[15:50:51] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Default value of watchcreations should be true - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17651 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User preferences; (church.of.emacs.ml)
[15:54:44] <Duesentrieb>	Sardukar: quite odd. how would that get in there?...
[15:55:21] <Sardukar>	that kind of thing happens during backup restorations or mysql database moves
[15:56:05] <Duesentrieb>	the only time it has ever happened to me was during mysql upgrade. and it what it did was pad all text fields with spaces. great fun.
[15:56:10] <CIA-60>	03demon * r47747 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/ForeignAPIRepo.php: NS_IMAGE -> NS_FILE
[15:57:49] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) COUNT(*) when editing page to check if the page is deleted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17649 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Database; (davidt)
[16:01:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) If the toolbar isn't shown, <br clear="both"/> is missing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17648  +comment (10danny.b)
[16:01:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CSS (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12788  (10danny.b)
[16:06:14] <CIA-60>	03daniel * r47748 10/trunk/WikiWord/WikiWord/src/main/php/ (config.sample.php wikiword.php wwutils.php): simple navigator interfacer in progress
[16:06:49] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Two extensions in Italian - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17652 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: General/Unknown; (uno)
[16:07:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) $wgCapitalLinks should be a per-namespace setting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13750  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[16:07:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Two extensions in Italian - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17652  (10uno)
[16:09:25] <mib_whoow57c>	Nikerabbit	where do i find the correct file system permissions localphp?
[16:13:46] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Single Namespace is hidden - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17504  normal->high; +comment (10dasch_87)
[16:15:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) COUNT(*) when editing page to check if the page is deleted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17649   +need-review +patch (10raimond.spekking)
[16:17:47] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) COUNT(*) when editing page to check if the page is deleted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17649  -need-review -patch ; +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[16:22:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Default value of watchcreations should be true - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17651  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[16:25:08] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) mention sitemap default output destination - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17640  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[16:25:13] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Users custom CSS and JS not linked from Special:Preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2314  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[16:26:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) If the toolbar isn't shown, <br clear="both"/> is missing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17648  +comment (10church.of.emacs.ml)
[16:29:39] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Two extensions in Italian - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17652  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[16:30:05] <brion>	morning peeps
[16:30:42] <AaronSchulz>	hey
[16:31:44] <ialex>	hello brion
[16:31:58] *Splarka 	looks around for yellow chicken-shaped marshmallow candy things
[16:33:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Pagination doesn't work on Special:PrefixIndex - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16434  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[16:35:02] <brion>	om nom nom nom
[16:35:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) XHTML validation errors -- some "id" attributes are not unique - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17650  +comment (10danny.b)
[16:35:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Pagination doesn't work on Special:PrefixIndex - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16434  (10innocentkiller)
[16:36:52] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) "Go" search button is ignoring user's custom search namespaces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11380  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[16:37:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Pagination doesn't work on Special:PrefixIndex - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16434  (10danny.b)
[16:39:24] <brion>	http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/Extension_Survey/Extension_Nomination
[16:40:03] <Danny_B>	hello brion
[16:40:15] <Splarka>	hahaha DPL
[16:40:28] <Danny_B>	funny, right? ;-)
[16:40:41] <Splarka>	brion: you should submit that to The Onion
[16:40:55] <brion>	there, there :)
[16:41:35] <Splarka>	what, no StringFunctions ?
[16:41:56] <Danny_B>	Splarka: be bold
[16:42:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Pagination doesn't work on Special:PrefixIndex - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16434  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[16:42:16] <Splarka>	they're evil, no way
[16:42:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Pagination doesn't work on Special:PrefixIndex - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16434  (10JSchulz_4587)
[16:42:45] <Splarka>	also, wikia extensions are often usability agnostic
[16:42:58] <Splarka>	(just an FYI, a lack of non-js fallback must be watched for)
[16:43:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Pagination doesn't work on Special:PrefixIndex with no prefix - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16434  summary (10JSchulz_4587)
[16:44:15] <Danny_B>	AaronSchulz: http://cs.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speci%C3%A1ln%C3%AD%3APrefixIndex&from=.&namespace=0
[16:44:28] <Danny_B>	click on next page (.td)
[16:44:31] <Splarka>	what, is bugzilla too slow to hold a live conference?
[16:44:52] <Splarka>	(you were doing pretty good so far)
[16:44:54] <Danny_B>	no need to clutter bugzilla when we're online
[16:45:15] *Splarka 	casts Summon Roan
[16:45:31] *NetHunter 	wonders if AaronSchulz is over here.
[16:45:40] <AaronSchulz>	?
[16:45:54] <NetHunter>	AaronSchulz: Been wondering about r47750
[16:46:18] <Danny_B>	AaronSchulz: the link describes the problem with prefixindex
[16:46:23] <NetHunter>	AaronSchulz: I'm wondering - why is it better to implement it as 2 separate functions, and not as one function with a parameter?
[16:46:39] <AaronSchulz>	Danny_B: I already repo'ed that a while ago
[16:46:59] <Danny_B>	the summary isn't correct now i think
[16:47:08] <Danny_B>	RoanKattouw: hi,we weremissing you ;-)
[16:47:31] <RoanKattouw>	What's up?
[16:48:03] <Danny_B>	talking about prefixindex
[16:48:25] <RoanKattouw>	Ah
[16:48:35] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah, three conflicting responses on the same bug :)
[16:49:10] <Danny_B>	hmm it even ignoresthe "from="in url - http://cs.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speci%C3%A1ln%C3%AD%3APrefixIndex&from=.&namespace=0 - it should start at ... but starts at ! - weird...
[16:50:16] <RoanKattouw>	Danny_B: Check the textbox in that URL. It's empty, which means something somewhere is purposefully ignoring it
[16:50:35] <Danny_B>	weird
[16:53:16] <CIA-60>	03demon * r47749 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/generateSitemap.php: (bug 17640) Mention where the sitemap goes if we don't explicitly specify. Patch by Jidanni.
[16:56:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make Wikipedia's edittools easy to install and translate - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17647  summary; +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[16:57:40] <Splarka>	heh
[16:57:52] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r47750 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (4 files in 3 dirs): * (bug 17649) Added isDeletedQuick() and replaced some slow checks
[16:57:53] <Splarka>	GerardM-: you didn't even mention the dropdown box, which was kinda the whole point
[16:58:22] <GerardM->	that was what got me started
[16:58:34] <ialex>	\o/ CIA-60
[16:58:35] <RoanKattouw>	!farm | Danny_B 
[16:58:35] --mwbot--	Danny_B: To run multiple wikis, you can simply install MediaWiki in different folders, with different databases or in one with database prefixes. You can also have multiple wikis using a single installation: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_family> and <http://booleandreams.wordpress.com/2007/06/12/running-multiple-instance-of-mediawiki-on-the-same-server-using-the-same-source-code/>.
[16:58:40] <GerardM->	I have been talking with MinuteElectroon
[16:58:45] <RoanKattouw>	(if you hadn't seen that yet --^)
[16:59:28] <Splarka>	Gerard: you /don't/ want the dropdown box now? *confused*
[16:59:31] <GerardM->	it would make sense to make an Edittools extension out of it and use the language names out of the CLDR extension
[16:59:39] <GerardM->	I do
[16:59:46] <Splarka>	ahh, you don't mention that, hang on..
[17:00:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make Wikipedia's edittools easy to install and translate - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17647  (10herd)
[17:00:09] <GerardM->	in my article I had two screen shots.. one with and one without
[17:00:17] *Splarka 	nods
[17:00:26] <Splarka>	I think CharInsert could also offer ranges
[17:00:50] <GerardM->	there is not that much point to that
[17:00:56] <RoanKattouw>	Sardukar: *three* custom namespaces? Every namespace *must* have a talk namespace, if they don't, things can break in obscure ways
[17:01:34] <Splarka>	sure there is GerardM-, it would make page loads much less spammy
[17:01:39] <Sardukar>	RoanKattouw; 6, then
[17:01:47] <RoanKattouw>	Ah, like that
[17:01:50] <RoanKattouw>	My bad
[17:02:12] <GerardM->	the problem is that the order of characters is not a given in the ranges
[17:02:24] <GerardM->	what you want is to have them in their collation order
[17:02:43] <Sardukar>	RoanKattouw; did you see my text above regarding ninja field corruption in mw_user_groups?
[17:02:47] <Splarka>	for example, say you wanted the Kiragana character set...<charinsert range="x3040-x309F" title="Hiragana"></charinsert> would save lots of manual work and also not do anything without JS enabled
[17:02:57] <RoanKattouw>	Sardukar: Yeah, after I said it :( was reading logs
[17:03:02] <Splarka>	well, obviously it wouldn't work for everything
[17:03:03] <Danny_B>	RoanKattouw: how do you know? you just came and this is old question... I got ya, you spy here! ;-)
[17:03:04] <GerardM->	but it would not be in the collation order
[17:03:06] <Splarka>	but it would be a nice additional feature
[17:03:15] <RoanKattouw>	Danny_B: Chanlogs? :P
[17:03:37] <GerardM->	if you present in the colloation order, people know where to find it
[17:03:43] <Splarka>	right now I have JS disabled.. I go to a random commons edit page
[17:03:48] <Splarka>	the HTML is 152k
[17:03:50] <Splarka>	that is fucked
[17:04:22] <Danny_B>	tololbar must not be in html - that's terrible concept
[17:04:23] <Splarka>	the same page on test.wp is 23k
[17:04:36] <Danny_B>	editools is even worse concept
[17:05:00] <Danny_B>	on some sites they double,triple,quadruple the page size
[17:05:09] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r47751 10/trunk/extensions/ (HTMLets/HTMLets.i18n.php Icon/Icon.i18n.php): 
[17:05:09] <CIA-60>	* (bug 17652) Two extensions in Italian
[17:05:09] <CIA-60>	Patch by Uno
[17:05:16] <Splarka>	or septuple, on commons
[17:07:10] <Splarka>	anyway, a native grouping like...
[17:07:12] <Splarka>	<charinsertset title="Latin"><charinsert>a b c d e f g ...</charinsert></charinsertset> <charinsertset title="diatricified Latin"><charinsert>� � C' c' � � � � � � S' s' � � � � O/' o/'</charinsert> </charinsertset>
[17:07:47] <Splarka>	that would display:none; them and self-generate a <select> to display them would be nice, per 17647
[17:09:10] <GerardM->	Danny_B for me the Edittools are an essential tool
[17:09:25] <Danny_B>	and?
[17:09:38] <Danny_B>	they arejavascript -> they don't belong to html
[17:09:39] <GerardM->	so I do not care if they make pages bigger
[17:10:01] <Danny_B>	they even should be added by javascript
[17:10:17] <RoanKattouw>	That would make sense, since they use JS to function anyway
[17:10:26] <Danny_B>	exactly
[17:10:43] <GerardM->	Splarka had a look earlier today and he mentioned that the code was OLD
[17:10:53] <Danny_B>	hehe
[17:11:02] <Danny_B>	that definitelysounds like Splarka ;-)
[17:11:06] <Splarka>	hey now
[17:11:11] <Splarka>	I helped rewrite it
[17:11:16] <Splarka>	but that was 2 years ago, and only on commons
[17:11:25] <Splarka>	the one on mw.org still uses document.write and innerHTML
[17:11:46] <Splarka>	TheDj was working on an ajax version IIRC
[17:12:16] <GerardM->	my point is that it is used on many places and it makes sense to do one GREAT implementation in stead of the current fucked up situation
[17:12:21] <Danny_B>	i have some concept for new approach but i am definitely not familiar with stuff like caching etc. so if somebody was willing to share the development process...
[17:12:43] <GerardM->	I am talking to MinuteElectron about this
[17:12:59] <GerardM->	he reckons that it would take him 8 hours of work
[17:13:12] <Splarka>	oops, it was AlexSm
[17:13:30] <Splarka>	http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Scripts/Edittools1.js  and  http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Editpage.js
[17:13:47] <MinuteElectron>	well, depends on the implementation - for the one we discussed yes; but that may not be optimal
[17:14:37] <GerardM->	so how long would it take to do a GOOD job
[17:14:39] <Splarka>	ME: talk to Alex if interested in on-demand, though it looks like no ajax in the test.wp version
[17:15:17] <Splarka>	but also, people complain that there should be a non-JS fallback for copy-pasta, but I think that could be a user preference, like [x] load Edittools
[17:15:18] <MinuteElectron>	GerardM-: I didn't say the idea we discussed wasn't good, but there are other ideas here that may be worth considering.
[17:15:36] <GerardM->	what other ideas ?
[17:15:48] <Danny_B>	MinuteElectron: do you discuss somewhere publicly? any logs available?
[17:15:58] <GerardM->	no talk on skype with me
[17:16:02] <MinuteElectron>	Skype voice chat.
[17:16:06] <Danny_B>	aha
[17:17:40] <GerardM->	my problem is that I cannot install Edittools ... and I do not get the best result if I look at MediaWiki.org
[17:17:43] <scompt>	how do I add a user to be an administrator?
[17:18:01] <GerardM->	you add a user and a bureaucrat makes him admin
[17:18:03] <RoanKattouw>	scompt:  Special:Userrights
[17:18:07] <MinuteElectron>	GerardM-: AJAX loading (I don't really see the point in this though), doing the entire thing in JavaScript (possible, but no copy paste fallbacks), dedicated extension (HTML + Javascript, works for people without JavaScript so they can copy+paste but questionable)
[17:18:08] <RoanKattouw>	!userrights | scompt 
[17:18:08] --mwbot--	scompt: For information on customizing user access, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights >. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access >.
[17:18:23] <MinuteElectron>	Maybe some more that I missed reading teh discussion.
[17:18:31] <scompt>	thanks
[17:20:52] <MinuteElectron>	I know I would go for the latter though.
[17:20:53] <Splarka>	MinuteElectron: well, the main thing with an ajax system would be for caching
[17:21:16] <MinuteElectron>	You can get caching in a non-AJAX javascript system too.
[17:21:21] <Danny_B>	MinuteElectron: well, if you want it to stay in html,then definnitely make a pref for it. it sucks when you have to load 50k of edittools when you don't need them at all
[17:21:30] <MinuteElectron>	Danny_B: Definitely.
[17:21:30] <scompt>	is it possible to add myself to a user group from the database?  I don't have access to that page because I'm not in the Bureaucrats group
[17:21:34] <Splarka>	you could do it all in JS, but you would get ~30 day user cache lingering, if you did it as ajax, where it fetched a system message on demand, it would be mostly instantaneous propagation (although slower for each use)
[17:21:49] <Splarka>	I mean caching = bad in JS
[17:21:59] <Danny_B>	MinuteElectron: actually even better would be to handle which groups of chars user wants to load
[17:22:01] <RoanKattouw>	scompt: Look up your user ID in special:Preferences. Then do:
[17:22:15] <RoanKattouw>	INSERT INTO user_groups VALUES(userid, 'bureaucrat');
[17:22:23] <Splarka>	as ajax, you'd just edit like MediaWiki:Edittools-latin or MediaWiki:Edittools-kanji
[17:22:24] <Simetrical>	. . . Where userid is your userid.
[17:22:26] <Danny_B>	i don't need japanese,korean,thai,whatever,but i can utilize math eg. or ipa on wiktionary
[17:23:19] <Splarka>	and then edittools could just have <div id="activate-edittools">, which js fills with buttons, which trigger ajax calls to those messages
[17:23:28] <MinuteElectron>	Splarka: Mmh, yeah fair enough - but AJAX would cause a lot more requests (it's something that would have to be cleared with a senior sysadmin first).
[17:23:30] <Splarka>	(that could be done even now, but lame)
[17:24:00] <MinuteElectron>	Localisation is something else that is important here, making it good to do this in an extension.
[17:24:19] <Splarka>	AlexSm's method is to put it all into one big javascript file, that is always loaded, but cached, much nicer than on the page, but not as fast (for non-users) as ajax
[17:24:23] <Splarka>	right
[17:24:29] <Splarka>	well, you could localize with ajax much easier
[17:24:38] <Splarka>	since you're making an API call, you could get the translation if available
[17:24:50] <Danny_B>	also the current system of grouping and the code to handle it is not so nice
[17:24:52] <Splarka>	action=parse&text={{int:Edittools-latin}}
[17:24:56] <Splarka>	^hax
[17:25:31] <MinuteElectron>	Splarka: Localisation of the group names, e.g. "Lating".
[17:25:49] <Danny_B>	MinuteElectron: you want to make one general set for every wiki?
[17:26:04] <Splarka>	ahh, right, in the non-JS html
[17:26:26] <MinuteElectron>	Danny_B: The idea was to at least provide a decent base, so yes - it could easily be made extensible though.
[17:26:34] <mib_cbex6u>	Can somebody give the link of mediawiki page, where I can chack out change php4 to php5 for an existing database.
[17:26:37] <Splarka>	probably like MediaWiki:charinsert-charactergroup-latin MediaWiki:charinsert-charactergroup-kanji
[17:26:38] <mib_cbex6u>	?
[17:26:52] <Splarka>	and then <charinsergroup message="latin">
[17:27:14] <Splarka>	not predefined, customizable any way you want to your own defined messages, like Sidebar is
[17:27:24] <Danny_B>	MinuteElectron, GerardM-, Splarka: coming to berlin?
[17:28:00] <Splarka>	nein
[17:28:07] <MinuteElectron>	nope
[17:28:11] <mdale>	Splarka: I will try to get the script grouper / localization system patch up and running... maybe we can add some stuff so it can handle those described cases. 
[17:28:38] <Splarka>	but there are two parts to this...
[17:28:49] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r47752 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Made undeletelink say 'view/restore' to look less scary :)
[17:29:03] <Splarka>	one is the core feature of Edittools, you could fix a lot of problems just by having that a preference next to the toolbar option.. [x] load edittools
[17:29:12] <Splarka>	which has nothing to do with charinsert
[17:29:18] <Splarka>	the second part, is making charinsert sexier
[17:29:33] <SerSeri>	selam
[17:30:34] <MinuteElectron>	Splarka: Why charinsert at all?
[17:30:38] <Danny_B>	MinuteElectron in his threatening pose ;-)
[17:30:42] <mib_cbex6u>	We have here a working mediawiki 1.6.10 and want to use php5 next time.
[17:31:01] <Splarka>	MinuteElectron: the extension you mean?
[17:31:05] <mib_cbex6u>	Is there an explanaitaion on websaite, how to change db?
[17:31:30] <SerSeri>	t�rk yokmu
[17:31:34] <MinuteElectron>	Splarka: Yes, we could just create a charinsert for edittools dedicated extension.
[17:31:54] <Splarka>	start over, rather than enhance the existing one?
[17:31:57] <Splarka>	seems a bit silly
[17:32:08] <Splarka>	(and harder to get on WMF)
[17:32:17] <MinuteElectron>	true, yes
[17:32:52] <Danny_B>	btw, my pov is that edittools should provide only single chars while complex markup should be added via toolbar buttons
[17:32:54] <Splarka>	you wouldn't need many changes, just adding a <script> load for specialized js (it could even be done without it, by simply adding the JS inline on edit pages, into the <select onchange=""> even)
[17:32:58] <Splarka>	and a few new <tags>
[17:33:16] <Splarka>	hmm
[17:33:22] <Splarka>	well they both use the same javascript command
[17:33:24] <Danny_B>	because long constructions in edittools make them too wide/tall/huge
[17:33:38] <Danny_B>	i mean the box is way so big
[17:34:06] <GerardM->	Danny_B yes
[17:34:52] <Maritova_>	Hi, I'm running a wiki for a literature project, and I want to make a series of tables that contain information on every story related to a certain character  (story name, description, author, etc.).  Some stories mainly feature more than one character, so I'd rather not update each table manually, but maybe have a master list containing hidden tags for major characters, and have "Table X" grab only those rows tagged as X
[17:34:53] <Danny_B>	thus the construction <charinsert>x+y</charinsert> wouldn't be used
[17:35:33] <mib_cbex6u>	Can somebody help me: I want to change from 1.6.10 to 1.14.0 - needs database to get change and if yes, is there a manual on the mediawiki.org site?
[17:35:59] <Danny_B>	!upgrade
[17:35:59] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading
[17:36:12] <Danny_B>	mib_cbex6u: ^
[17:37:11] <mib_cbex6u>	thank you mwbot
[17:37:14] <mib_cbex6u>	:D
[17:37:35] <Danny_B>	also check http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/branches/REL1_14/phase3/UPGRADE?view=markup
[17:38:52] <MinuteElectron>	So: edittools should be enabled\disabled in Special:Preferences (presumably a core option), charinsert should have a "group" functionality that uses messages so the names can be localised, and charinsert should be included in to the page using AJAX?
[17:39:35] <Splarka>	actually, I think any 2 of those 3 would be perfect
[17:40:34] <MinuteElectron>	I would go for 1 and 2.
[17:41:13] <Splarka>	sounds good
[17:41:22] <Splarka>	though some people use edittools for copyright info, but that is their fault
[17:41:48] <MinuteElectron>	Just add a new message above or below it.
[17:42:05] <Splarka>	they should use Copyrightwarn and Copyrightwarn2, or whatever it is
[17:42:15] <MinuteElectron>	yes
[17:42:32] <Splarka>	or you could make an Editfooter message comparable to Editnotice
[17:44:14] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) quote mark unprocessed in DatabasePostgres.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17332  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[17:45:31] <Danny_B>	Splarka: re the copyright info - tno problem to create a special container for that
[17:45:53] <Splarka>	yes, and two already exist
[17:46:05] <Splarka>	but people are stupid
[17:46:06] <Danny_B>	correct
[17:46:08] <GerardM->	actually there are certain ranges people are interested in and not others
[17:46:10] <GerardM->	the scripts make sense .. and the language only if it is YOUR or the websites language
[17:46:40] <MinuteElectron>	we could make the preferences for charinsert rather than edittools, perhaps?
[17:46:47] <GerardM->	when people have to enable this it does not make sense anymore
[17:47:00] <GerardM->	if anything it is default on and you can turn it off
[17:47:04] <MinuteElectron>	enabled by default, optionally disabled
[17:47:38] <GerardM->	charinsert is one character a time
[17:47:42] <Splarka>	extension preferences can be dirty
[17:47:49] <GerardM->	so that is not usecase functionality
[17:47:58] <Danny_B>	GerardM-: charinsert is asmany chars as defined
[17:48:07] <GerardM->	one at a time
[17:48:10] <Splarka>	anon users get no preferences either
[17:48:29] <Splarka>	I think the only preference should be, whether to load them, and *maybe* what char set to show by default (which could be a JS cookie)
[17:48:33] <GerardM->	so you can make an educated guess.. scripts and the local language
[17:48:36] <Danny_B>	GerardM-: ? i maynot understad what you mean,but by charinsertyou can insert a group of chars
[17:49:03] <MinuteElectron>	<charinsert>a b c d e f</charinsert> will let you insert "a", "b", "c" etc.
[17:49:24] <GerardM->	but what is the usecase for that ?
[17:49:36] <flyingparchment>	typing characters that don't existing on your keyboard
[17:49:39] <Danny_B>	MinuteElectron: <charinsert>minute+electron</charinsert> will let you insert entire string and place the cursor on the position of plus
[17:49:39] <GerardM->	you select a or b or c
[17:50:14] <luna6>	hello I upgraded to MW 1.14 yesterday... the edit section tabs disappeared even though on my localsettings it has $wgDefaultUserOptions ['editsection'] = 1;
[17:50:30] <luna6>	how can i get it show again for anonymous users?
[17:50:41] <Danny_B>	it's used for constructions like <charinsert><ref>+</ref></charinser> or even <charinsert>{{+}}</charinser>
[17:50:44] <luna6>	its there for logged in users
[17:51:31] <Danny_B>	which iis what i said it should be not possibleanymore- such constructions should be added via toolbar in future,not via clicking on string in editttools
[17:51:45] <Splarka>	luna6: is it there for newly created user accounts?
[17:51:59] <luna6>	let me check splarka
[17:52:04] <Splarka>	Danny: the problem with the toolbar is each such option needs an image created for it
[17:52:32] <Splarka>	heh, speaking of feature I wish existed... be nice if there was some short JS variable syntax that could add to charinsert as easy as the toolbar
[17:52:40] <Splarka>	like mwcustomcharinsertstuffs = {}
[17:53:00] <Splarka>	heck, merging charinsert into core would be much cleaner, it could all be JS
[17:53:31] *Splarka 	hides
[17:54:17] <luna6>	splarka its not there for newly created user accounts either
[17:55:16] <SerSeri>	l�na6
[17:55:19] <SerSeri>	luna6
[17:55:29] <Danny_B>	Splarka: that's another point - do we actually need images? can't we simply use some background image pretending the button and have *either* image or text on foreground?
[17:55:45] <Splarka>	luna6: then the default preference is wrong, try zero maybe
[17:55:58] <Splarka>	Danny: that'd be nice...
[17:56:10] <luna6>	i think i tried changing it to zero yesterday...will try that again
[17:56:17] <Danny_B>	besides images only are against accessibility rules and current fallback is bad
[17:56:28] <luna6>	i didnt change anything in the localsettings during the upgrade
[17:56:34] <Splarka>	you can set an .onload on <img> 
[17:56:54] <Splarka>	and an .onerror
[17:57:09] <Splarka>	if the image was missing it could just show as plain text, I suppose (some browsers support this with alt="" even)
[17:58:19] <luna6>	hmm changing it to zero worked ...:)
[17:58:40] <Splarka>	odd
[17:59:28] <luna6>	well as long as it works wont worry about it..next upgrade maybe have to change back to "1"
[18:00:06] <Conny>	Is there a plugin, that I can use plone user management also for Mediawiki (only one registration)?
[18:02:12] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Prevent floats from intruding into edit area in previews if no toolbar present - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17648  summary; +comment (10danny.b)
[18:02:30] <Danny_B>	CIA-60: you slacker, where are you?
[18:02:50] *Splarka 	eats CIA-60
[18:02:50] *CIA-60 	tastes crunchy
[18:05:06] <CIA-60>	03dale * r47753 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (9 files in 5 dirs): 
[18:05:07] <CIA-60>	fixes to local settings setup keep all customizations in parent LocalSettings.php
[18:05:07] <CIA-60>	fixed expire on script load requests
[18:05:07] <CIA-60>	maintenance bug fix
[18:07:28] <Danny_B>	kinda delayed... ;-)
[18:07:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make Wikipedia's edittools easy to install and translate - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17647  (10Gerard.meijssen)
[18:09:00] <Danny_B>	GerardM-: i'm prettysure there already is prettysimilar bug report somewhere
[18:09:29] <GerardM->	possibly, that did not make an impression then
[18:10:33] <Danny_B>	ah,nvm,it's not exactly same,but related. i'll mark them both to be connected
[18:11:56] <Danny_B>	hmm, i think i've noticed even more of them,i think i'll create tracking bug if i'll find more than 3
[18:12:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make Wikipedia's edittools easy to install and translate - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17647  +comment (10danny.b)
[18:12:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Preference to toggle edit tools - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11130  (10danny.b)
[18:13:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) XHTML validation errors -- some "id" attributes are not unique - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17650  (10ben.rimmington)
[18:16:04] <GerardM->	Danny_B it is 
[18:16:15] <CIA-60>	03danny_b * r47754 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES skins/common/shared.css): * (bug 17648) Prevent floats from intruding into edit area in previews if no toolbar present
[18:17:25] <januszeal>	i keep getting Fatal error: Call to undefined function xml_parser_create() in /usr/local/www/apache22/data/includes/Xml.php on line 579
[18:17:34] <januszeal>	but xml appears to be enabled
[18:17:45] <januszeal>	http://partyvan.info/OGOD.php
[18:19:59] <Danny_B>	announcing little spam from wikibugs (10 messages)
[18:20:23] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Edit toolbar & Edit tools (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17653 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (danny.b)
[18:20:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add ordered/unordered list buttons to edit toolbar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11018  (10danny.b)
[18:20:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Preference to toggle edit tools - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11130  (10danny.b)
[18:20:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Ability to make breaks in the edit toolbar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14121  (10danny.b)
[18:20:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Bulletin board style toolbar for common editing functions should be more accessible for change and modification - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14530  (10danny.b)
[18:20:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Customize the toolbar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14808  (10danny.b)
[18:20:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make Wikipedia's edittools easy to install and translate - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17647  (10danny.b)
[18:20:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Tracking bug (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2007  (10danny.b)
[18:20:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) JavaScript (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2114  (10danny.b)
[18:20:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) AJAX (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14123  (10danny.b)
[18:21:43] <Danny_B>	these are those which i havein "watchlist" = know about. please add others if i missed any,thx
[18:21:59] <RoanKattouw>	Splarka: Did you ever hear about api.php?action=query&meta=allmessages&ammessages=foo|bar|baz&amlang=de ?
[18:22:39] <Splarka>	probably was in the back of my mind, the render was just an example of possibility
[18:22:56] <Splarka>	(as in, "hey it is possible"
[18:23:04] <Splarka>	not "hey, this is how it will be done")  heh
[18:23:18] <januszeal>	how do i see what version im running?
[18:23:21] <januszeal>	of mediawiki
[18:23:28] <januszeal>	i haven't admined this software in a while
[18:23:28] <Splarka>	Special:Version
[18:23:33] <januszeal>	oh lol
[18:23:38] <januszeal>	i tried [[mediawiki:version]]
[18:25:36] <Witzman>	hi, i tried to get the extension cite ( http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite/Cite.php ) and i want to download the snapshot for 1.13 (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:ExtensionDistributor/Cite) but i always get the error: Invalid response from remote subversion client
[18:25:53] <Witzman>	where i can find the files of this version elsewhere?
[18:26:31] <Witzman>	all other links here points to a trunk version
[18:27:15] <RoanKattouw>	Witzman: ExtensionDistributor is broken right now, you'll have to download from SVN I'm afraid
[18:27:32] <Witzman>	can this be done via a web interface?
[18:27:40] <Witzman>	i never worked with any svn
[18:27:43] <mib_whoow57c>	i receive the following error when attempting to upload a file, "Could not create directory "public/4/44"." i am relatively new to php and need some help?
[18:27:50] <RoanKattouw>	Witzman: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/branches/REL1_13/extensions/Cite/
[18:28:09] <januszeal>	mib_whoow57c: looks like permission problem
[18:28:17] <RoanKattouw>	mib_whoow57c: The upload directory should have the right permissions
[18:28:22] <Witzman>	mib_whoow57c, chmod your upload folder recursively to 777
[18:28:49] <januszeal>	mib_whoow57c: chmod -R 777 whereever/public/is
[18:29:12] <mib_whoow57c>	ok thanks i will try that
[18:30:22] <januszeal>	mib_whoow57c: np
[18:30:39] <RoanKattouw>	!domdocument | januszeal 
[18:30:39] --mwbot--	januszeal: If the DOM_Document class is missing, install PHP's XML module (and restart Apache) or set $wgParserConf['preprocessorClass'] = 'Preprocessor_Hash' (see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgParserConf> for details)
[18:31:37] <januszeal>	RoanKattouw: is there any reason this problem wouldn't appear for other users?
[18:31:59] <RoanKattouw>	What problem? Have you tried the second suggestion yet>?
[18:32:37] <januszeal>	the one the bot just echoed?
[18:32:42] <Witzman>	thanks RoanKattouw
[18:32:56] <januszeal>	i didnt see a first suggestion :(
[18:33:03] <januszeal>	but i was just wondering if that is the issue
[18:33:08] <januszeal>	if it would only effect some users
[18:37:50] <Danny_B>	RoanKattouw: re the farm - i am either blind or there's no solution for one code - multiple databases? i see random one code - one database solutions only... did i miss anything?
[18:39:08] <RoanKattouw>	Danny_B: Symlinks? :P
[18:40:45] <Danny_B>	hmm sounds hackish to me... i'm not sure if our hosting supports that anyway,will check...
[18:41:52] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) DISPLAYTITLE should allow Arabic and Persian harakats - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16899  -parser ; +comment (10huji.huji)
[18:42:22] <RoanKattouw>	Danny_B: Something that also works is configuring Apace to point all subdomains (or subdirs, whatever you use) to the same place and distinguish stuff in LocalSettings.php
[18:42:32] <RoanKattouw>	(I think $wgConf has support for that somehow)]
[18:42:36] <CIA-60>	03huji * r47755 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/Title.php): (bug 16899) DISPLAYTITLE should allow Arabic and Persian harakats
[18:46:08] <RoanKattouw>	januszeal: For clarity: the first suggestion is to install PHP's XML module, the second suggestion is to tweak $wgParserConf (which should result in MW not needing the XML module)
[18:46:15] <Danny_B>	i think i'll give up on trying that now and will have two paralel dirs
[18:46:31] <januszeal>	RoanKattouw: oh, understood
[18:46:33] <januszeal>	thank you
[18:46:33] <Relentless>	hi
[18:46:40] <januszeal>	Relentless: wrong network
[18:46:46] <Relentless>	f
[18:46:55] <Relentless>	plz 2 gif me network
[18:47:11] <januszeal>	no
[18:47:27] <Relentless>	;-;
[18:47:29] <Relentless>	fine
[18:47:37] <Relentless>	freebsd > rhel
[18:47:40] <januszeal>	please see query on ncirc
[18:48:04] <Relentless>	busy
[18:48:16] <Relentless>	I am trying to install the release before wikipedia finishes
[18:48:33] <januszeal>	lool
[18:49:05] <januszeal>	mediawiki is running 1.15a
[18:49:32] <Relentless>	wat
[18:49:41] <januszeal>	i mean
[18:49:43] <januszeal>	wikipedia
[18:49:44] <januszeal>	is
[18:49:48] <Relentless>	;-;
[18:49:56] <Relentless>	I wonder if I can do SVN
[18:51:44] <Relentless>	f
[18:51:55] <Relentless>	it only has 1.14
[18:53:48] <mib_whoow57c>	what is the syntax to linking to a document or file on a shared drive?
[18:54:14] <Splarka>	you might try adding file:// to $wgUrlProtocols
[18:54:36] <Splarka>	see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgUrlProtocols
[18:55:16] <Splarka>	if that doesn't work you might need to make a tag extension
[18:55:27] <mib_whoow57c>	fairly confident i did that but let me check real quick
[18:55:49] <Splarka>	Relentless: you can run 1.15a if you're impatient: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download_from_SVN
[18:56:47] <mib_whoow57c>	yeah the $wgUrlProtocols is in my localsettings
[18:56:58] <Splarka>	1.15 is in http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/
[18:57:22] <Splarka>	mib_whoow57c: what do the links look like? give me an <a> example
[18:57:38] <mib_whoow57c>	ok
[18:57:48] <Splarka>	the ones you want, that is
[18:59:29] <mib_whoow57c>	[file:\\\\servername\c$\Inetpub\wwwroot\wiki\foldername\Content_Manager_Testing.pdf Content Manager Testing]
[19:00:00] <Splarka>	did you try file:////servername/c$/Inetpub/wwwroot/wiki/foldername/Content_Manager_Testing.pdf ?
[19:00:32] <mib_whoow57c>	im pretty sure i ahve but let me try real quick
[19:01:03] <RoanKattouw>	Relentless: SVN has 1.15alpha as well, it's just called different. The development version is always called trunk
[19:01:03] <januszeal>	mib_whoow57c: why not have http:// to the internal ip address of that webserver? I'm not sure file:// works with unc paths
[19:01:29] <Splarka>	and if that doesn't work, you might consider $wgRawHtml, which is a bit spooky, but if you trust your users... <html><a href="file:////servername/c$/Inetpub/wwwroot/wiki/foldername/Content_Manager_Testing.pdf">Content_Manager_Testing.pdf </a></html>, which is a tiny bit naff
[19:01:49] <Splarka>	or... is the problem that mediawiki doesn't parse the URL, or that it does but the link doesn't work?
[19:02:06] <RoanKattouw>	A *bit* spooky? :P
[19:02:11] <Splarka>	shush you ^_^
[19:02:33] <Splarka>	<html><script>document.location.href="goatse.cx"</script></html>
[19:02:42] <Splarka>	oops, ^http://
[19:03:14] <mib_whoow57c>	that worked thanks
[19:03:23] <Splarka>	heh, k
[19:03:50] <Splarka>	you could also whitelist <a>, or create a http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Tag_extensions like <file> to make it easier if you want to, later
[19:04:09] <Splarka>	what I find works easiest, is to open the file in my browser, and then copy the URL it normalizes to
[19:04:21] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Allow localization of the magic words ISBN, RFC, PMID - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13335  +comment (10siebrand)
[19:04:23] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) New logo for Wikibooks projects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17034  +comment (10rhalsell)
[19:04:30] <Splarka>	like c:\foo\bar.ext becomes file:///c:/foo/bar.ext
[19:11:13] <CIA-60>	03rotem * r47756 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Localization update for he.
[19:14:27] <Hubble3000>	i experience odd stuff after adding $wgRCMaxAge and running mainteneance/rebuildrecentchanges.php. the batch of past recentchanges is added in reverted order to the rc table and the rc_id now is counting backwards when new changes are added to the table after running the script. is that supposed to be correct?.
[19:15:59] <RoanKattouw>	WTF?
[19:16:15] <RoanKattouw>	You sure those backwards-counting rcids aren't negative?
[19:16:33] <Hubble3000>	id - time stamp
[19:16:35] <Hubble3000>	131083  	20090224183742
[19:16:41] <Hubble3000>	131084  	20090224182437
[19:16:53] <Hubble3000>	131085  	20090224180850  	
[19:16:55] <Hubble3000>	see?
[19:17:02] <ST47>	O.o
[19:17:21] <RoanKattouw>	Hubble3000: I guess that means the script adds stuff in a weird order
[19:17:27] <MinuteElectron>	d
[19:17:38] <Hubble3000>	the last were changes after the script
[19:18:05] <RoanKattouw>	AFAIK there is no code that assumes rc_id sorts the same way as rc_timestamp does, so it shouldn't cause any problems
[19:18:22] <RoanKattouw>	That's weird. If you make a new change right now, which rcid does it get?
[19:18:39] <ST47>	I think you'd run out of rcids rather quickly by counting backwards...
[19:19:17] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah :P
[19:19:48] <RoanKattouw>	But rc_id is an auto_increment field, so it shouldn't be doing this
[19:19:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Image thumbnailing for certain images broken, causing these images to be unusable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17645  +comment (10nadezhda.durova)
[19:19:58] <Hubble3000>	137251 hrr ok 
[19:20:06] <RoanKattouw>	lol
[19:20:07] <Hubble3000>	there were no new changes 
[19:20:16] <Hubble3000>	damn. it got me!
[19:20:29] <Hubble3000>	still they are added backwards into the table by the script.
[19:21:34] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah, that's weird
[19:21:46] <RoanKattouw>	But it shouldn't hurt, nothing relies on rcid for anything AFAIK
[19:21:51] <Hubble3000>	have to sort by timestamp for a while instead of rc_id.
[19:21:57] <RoanKattouw>	Apart from patrolling, and that just uses rcid to refer to a row uniquely
[19:22:10] <RoanKattouw>	Special:Recentchanges should be sorting by timestamp IIRC
[19:23:08] <Hubble3000>	i used the rc table for some different output which i used to sort by id
[19:25:18] <MrHappy>	I have a question about $wgEnable MWSuggest, we have upgraded a few things recently.
[19:26:17] <MrHappy>	MediaWiki version 1.13.1, added titleKey which is super.
[19:26:39] <MrHappy>	drop down search box is not displaying info now. :(
[19:26:45] <MrHappy>	any ideas why?
[19:27:12] <RoanKattouw>	Dunno
[19:27:26] <RoanKattouw>	You do have the latest version (1.14.0) and $wgEnableMWSuggest = true; ?
[19:27:43] <MrHappy>	1.13.1
[19:28:17] <MrHappy>	and $wgEnableMWSuggest = true;
[19:28:21] <RoanKattouw>	Hmm I suggest you upgrade, although it's probably not essential for this feature. Anyway, do you happen to use .php5 extensions?
[19:28:42] <MrHappy>	a few new pages have been added which work as expected.
[19:29:14] <RoanKattouw>	You mean it does suggest new pages, but not old ones?
[19:29:14] <MrHappy>	some of the other lads look after the .php, not sure about .php5
[19:29:22] <MrHappy>	yes
[19:29:33] <MrHappy>	confusing me.
[19:29:43] <RoanKattouw>	Hmm that probably means that there's something somewhere that needs rebuilding
[19:29:52] <RoanKattouw>	If your wiki isn't too large, you could run rebuildAll.php
[19:30:01] <MrHappy>	it's been moved to a new server recently.
[19:30:01] <RoanKattouw>	(or refreshAll, I never know the difference)
[19:30:52] <MrHappy>	which directory does that live in?
[19:32:12] <Splarka>	/maintenance prolly
[19:33:55] <MrHappy>	ohh, permission denied.
[19:34:07] <MrHappy>	best change to root.
[19:35:40] <januszeal>	http://partyvan.info/config/index.php
[19:35:55] <januszeal>	php xml on freebsd 7.1-release doesn't seem to be working
[19:37:28] <Relentless>	hi januszeal
[19:37:32] <Relentless>	Can you stop posting thing
[19:37:34] <Relentless>	thanx
[19:37:38] <Relentless>	Love Relentless
[19:42:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Delete Extension:Passwordstr - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17604  (10bugzilla.wikimedia)
[19:44:29] <RoanKattouw>	januszeal: # PHP 5.2.8 installed --> upgrade to 1.14.0 ?
[19:45:43] <januszeal>	what
[19:45:45] <januszeal>	;_;
[19:45:50] *Reedy 	waves at RoanKattouw
[19:46:58] <Relentless>	I has 1.6
[19:47:02] <Relentless>	:3
[19:47:30] <t_188>	Hi everybody
[19:48:05] <Reedy>	Hi Dr Nick
[19:50:23] <t_188>	I'm experiencing rendering issues with the last mediawiki engine 1.14.0, a typical error is {{{ITENAME}} on each page, is anybody having some clue ? found nothing on the web, many thanks.
[19:50:50] <Reedy>	ITENAME? surely it should be sitename?
[19:51:57] <t_188>	Reedy : the html code is rendering {{{ITENAME}} without S, instead of the true sitename
[19:52:00] <rainman_>	or satellitename
[19:52:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Delete Extension:Passwordstr - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17604  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[19:53:18] <Splarka>	t_188: what content language?
[19:54:18] <t_188>	Splarka : utf8
[19:55:19] <Splarka>	t_188: content language, as in $wgLanguageCode
[19:55:23] <Splarka>	english?
[19:58:19] <t_188>	Splarka: yes, "en"
[19:58:58] <Splarka>	don't see that typo in /REL1_14/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php
[19:59:10] <Splarka>	try going to your Special:Allmessages and check if it is there
[20:05:41] <Simetrical>	harakat, WTF?
[20:06:41] <Simetrical>	Oh, like nekudot.
[20:17:55] <manu4>	hello
[20:18:23] <manu4>	Is this the right place for a mediawiki migration question?
[20:18:47] <Prodego>	yes
[20:19:10] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Delete Extension:Passwordstr - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17604  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[20:20:24] <manu4>	I need to migrate content from a wikimedia 1.6 to 1.11
[20:20:41] <manu4>	I produced a SQL dump but I have trouble to import it
[20:22:15] <manu4>	The documentation also suggest getting an XML dump but the script that is supposed to produce it does not exist in the old wikimedia version
[20:29:04] <tobiastobias>	hi
[20:30:49] <tobiastobias>	i want that visitors get a login screen when entering the startpage of the wiki, so that you don't see anything of the wiki without a correct login
[20:30:53] <tobiastobias>	is this possible?
[20:32:13] <Splarka>	tobiastobias: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access#Restrict_viewing_of_all_pages
[20:33:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Delete Extension:Passwordstr - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17604  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[20:44:07] <Plogi11>	hi, or you do not judge that Wikipedia would belong to do away in language pitcairn
[20:49:44] <Splarka>	you mean http://pih.wikipedia.org/ ? probably a question for #wikipedia
[20:51:21] <Plogi11>	yes
[20:51:59] <Plogi11>	Who can I this notify?
[20:52:12] <Plogi11>	http://pih.wikipedia.org
[20:54:33] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: any idea what he is talking about?
[21:00:14] <Splarka>	Nikerabbit: nope, but it sounds like a #wikipedia question ^_^
[21:03:45] <manu4>	is there something wrong with this upgrade path?
[21:04:04] <manu4>	first I install the new mediawiki
[21:04:12] <manu4>	then I configure an empty wiki
[21:04:31] <manu4>	the I run importDump.php on the XML dump I got from the older version
[21:04:51] <manu4>	is this the way it sould go?
[21:06:07] <manu4>	the database seems untouched by the importDump.php script. The operation succeeds, but thereis nothing added to the wiki
[21:06:43] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Make automatic creation of the user OpenID login optional - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17654 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: OpenID; (sergey.chernyshev)
[21:07:23] <manu4>	any hint?
[21:08:21] <Nikerabbit>	why don't you upgrade in-place ?
[21:08:41] <manu4>	The content is coming from another machine
[21:12:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable DyanmicPageList for Wikimania2009wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17361  (10brion)
[21:13:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Remove {{DISPLAYTITLE:}} restrictions for wm2009wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17307  +comment (10brion)
[21:14:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Please allow sidebar links to be localisable for Wikimania 2009wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17295  +comment (10brion)
[21:24:39] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Database dump processes halted since 12-Feb-09 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17535  (10Pascal)
[21:26:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Duplicate image reuploading should be forbidden - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15676  (10mikelifeguard)
[21:32:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New logo for Wikibooks projects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17034  (10mikelifeguard)
[21:34:22] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r47763 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/patch-cv_user_reason.sql: removed svn:mergeinfo property
[21:34:55] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Make overriding personal settings upon OpenID login optional - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17635  (10sergey.chernyshev)
[21:35:19] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r47757 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (4 files): Added foreign key constraint in the PostgreSQL's schema
[21:35:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make automatic creation of the user on OpenID login optional - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17654  summary (10sergey.chernyshev)
[21:36:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Delete Extension:Passwordstr - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17604  +comment (10Platonides)
[21:36:13] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r47758 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (132 files): Localisation updates for core messages from translatewiki.net (2009-02-24 19:11 UTC)
[21:36:13] <CIA-60>	03daniel * r47759 10/trunk/WikiWord/WikiWord/src/main/php/ (wikiword.php wwutils.php): first working prototype
[21:36:15] <CIA-60>	03daniel * r47760 10/trunk/WikiWord/WikiWord/src/main/php/wwutils.php: first working prototype
[21:36:26] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Make overriding personal settings upon OpenID account association optional - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17633  (10sergey.chernyshev)
[21:36:28] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r47761 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (CHANGELOG configure.patch-1.sql patch-cv_user_reason.sql): Rename configure.patch-1.sql to patch-cv_user_reason.sql for consistency with the other patch added in my last commit and descriptive name
[21:37:13] <CIA-60>	03demon * r47762 10/trunk/extensions/PasswordStrength/: Bug 17604: Delete this extension because it causes more harm than help.
[21:37:14] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r47764 10/trunk/extensions/ (126 files in 120 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from translatewiki.net (2009-02-24 19:52 UTC)
[21:37:19] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r47765 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/mediawiki-defines.txt: Deleted with r47762.
[21:41:12] <CIA-60>	03philip * r47766 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Update the Chinese conversion tables.
[21:42:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Cannot reset user passwords with PG backend - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17520   +postgresql (10alex.emsenhuber)
[21:45:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Delete Extension:Passwordstr - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17604  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[21:45:46] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Delete Extension:Passwordstr - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17604  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[21:50:12] <^conner>	is this the appropriate place to ask a question about the mediawiki db schema?
[21:51:22] <MinuteElectron>	yes
[21:52:12] <^conner>	where does binary image data live?  the metadata is in image, and the other bits are in page, but I can't find the binary bits
[21:52:26] <MinuteElectron>	the actual image file?
[21:52:34] <^conner>	MinuteElectron, ya
[21:52:39] <MinuteElectron>	the filesystem
[21:52:41] <MinuteElectron>	images/
[21:52:52] <^conner>	MinuteElectron, awww, well that explains it
[21:53:20] <MinuteElectron>	done that way to avoid having to invoke a PHP script on every image request
[21:53:37] <^conner>	MinuteElectron, no, it makes sense, thanks!
[21:53:45] <MinuteElectron>	no problem
[22:03:16] <Biny3>	Question:  Has anyone configured Sphinx Search?
[22:03:24] <Biny3>	I'm having issues trying to decipher the documentation.
[22:03:32] <Biny3>	mainly, that my db tables are mw_ and not the default whatever it thinks iti s.
[22:04:24] <Biny3>	and reading the commented code in the extension config file, it says to change the table names, but I am unable to locate it in the string after that.
[22:04:49] <^demon>	brion: Got a few minutes?
[22:05:20] <rainman__>	Biny3, best ask at sphinxsearch talk page, i don't think the sphinx people hang out here
[22:05:40] <Biny3>	yeah, figured, but nothing really helpful on the talk page.  I'll give that a try.
[22:14:44] <CIA-60>	03brion * r47767 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): * Added $wgUseTagFilter to control enabling of filter-by-change-tag
[22:26:21] <CIA-60>	03sergeychernyshev * r47768 10/trunk/extensions/OpenID/ (3 files): 
[22:26:21] <CIA-60>	Moved OpenID-related preferences to OpenID tab.
[22:26:21] <CIA-60>	Made overriding personal settings every time upon OpenID login optional (bug 17635)
[22:26:21] <CIA-60>	Made overriding personal settings upon OpenID account association optional (bug 17633)
[22:26:48] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) History pages not functioning at all on Wikipedia and Wiktionary. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17655 major; normal; MediaWiki: History/Diffs; (ran.arigur)
[22:28:02] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Database error in IndexPager::reallyDoQuery - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17656 major; normal; MediaWiki: History/Diffs; (happy_melon)
[22:28:05] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Database field missing error when visiting Special:NewPages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17657 major; normal; MediaWiki: Database; (tomisimo)
[22:28:10] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r47769 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ChangeTags.php: Make $wgUseTagFilter disable just filtering, rather than all display query modification
[22:28:10] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Can't view History/Diffs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17658 minor; normal; MediaWiki: History/Diffs; (audude08)
[22:28:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) History pages not functioning at all on Wikipedia and Wiktionary. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17655  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[22:28:53] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Can't view History/Diffs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17658  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[22:28:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) History pages not functioning at all on Wikipedia and Wiktionary. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17655  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[22:28:59] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Database field missing error when visiting Special:NewPages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17657  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[22:29:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) History pages not functioning at all on Wikipedia and Wiktionary. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17655  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[22:29:18] <Splarka>	heh, 4 bugs so far...
[22:29:20] <Nihiltres>	hah, joined just in time to hear about the problem I came to report
[22:29:33] <^demon>	Duped them all to 1 :)
[22:30:00] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Database error in IndexPager::reallyDoQuery - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17656  +comment (10ran.arigur)
[22:30:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) History pages not functioning at all on Wikipedia and Wiktionary. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17655  +comment (10ran.arigur)
[22:30:11] <^demon>	Ah missed that one.
[22:33:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) History pages not functioning at all on Wikipedia and Wiktionary. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17655  (10happy_melon)
[22:34:47] <Relentless>	I have a question, http://partyvan.info/wiki/index.php?title=Template:WelcomeBanner , why are the images like this.. I use [[image:Cat-abuse-dusty.jpg|thumb|HALP]].. shouldnt be a thumb?
[22:35:00] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) History pages not functioning at all on Wikipedia and Wiktionary. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17655  +comment (10cbrown1023)
[22:36:01] <uberfuzzy|busy>	Relentless: because "MediaWiki: 1.6.12 "
[22:36:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) History pages not functioning at all on Wikipedia and Wiktionary. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17655  (10ran.arigur)
[22:36:29] <Relentless>	uberfuzzy|busy what does that explain?
[22:40:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow bureaucrats to revoke sysop status on UK chapter website - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17388  (10brion)
[22:51:05] <Reedy>	Warning: mkdir() Permission denied in GlobalFunctions.php on line 1943 - That a thumbs/upload folder error?
[22:52:15] <Reedy>	/ PHP5 <3
[22:52:16] <Reedy>	lol
[22:52:55] <Reedy>	seems to be only on pages with templates (private wiki)...
[22:53:01] <^demon>	Reedy: Could be anything calling wfMkdirParents()
[22:53:22] <Reedy>	File pages, and pages transcluding templates (so parser functions)
[22:53:44] <Reedy>	http://wiki.freeside.co.uk/wiki/File:Start_dialogue.png http://wiki.freeside.co.uk/wiki/Servers/Fs-vmh1
[22:53:44] <Reedy>	but not http://wiki.freeside.co.uk/wiki/SSH_Tunneling
[22:54:31] <^demon>	I'm not getting mkdir() errors on either.
[22:55:03] <Reedy>	not being shown right at the top?
[22:55:44] <Reedy>	http://wiki.freeside.co.uk/wiki/Servers/Diffusion is showing 2 for me..
[22:56:26] <Reedy>	ok... not there in ie..
[22:56:38] <Reedy>	actually
[22:56:40] <Reedy>	its intermittant
[22:56:51] <^demon>	None. I'm using Chrome right now.
[22:57:07] <Reedy>	i think one of the web servers in rotation is borked
[22:57:21] <Reedy>	(one keeps deciding not to return css)
[22:57:31] <^demon>	Hmm.
[22:57:47] <Reedy>	its been intermittant for a while, i'll put it down to that
[22:57:53] <Reedy>	/nfs problems
[22:57:58] <Reedy>	cheers anyway :)
[22:59:06] <Reedy>	yeah, 4 are in rotation..
[22:59:11] <Reedy>	when i remember which it is, i'll remove it
[23:02:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) The diffonly URI parameter should cascade to "Next edit" and "Previous edit" diff links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17241  (10brion)
[23:03:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Sidebar search form should not use Special:Search view URL as target - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16823  (10brion)
[23:03:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Inputbox search forms do "go" when hitting Enter in Internet Explorer - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17161  (10brion)
[23:04:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Possibility to link to particular section of [[Special:Preferences]] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16013  (10brion)
[23:05:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "Go" search for existing category with non-existent page shows search instead of going to target - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16343  (10brion)
[23:05:21] <Splarka>	hey, who is touching my bugs!
[23:05:39] <brion>	:)
[23:05:39] *brion 	is throwing some bugs at AaronSchulz 
[23:06:47] <^demon>	brion: I've got a patch that needs another look if you've got a few.
[23:08:31] <brion>	bring it on
[23:08:33] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Change default locale for {{formatnum:}} parser function - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17659 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: ParserFunctions; (OnTheWhite)
[23:09:08] <^demon>	!b 13750
[23:09:08] --mwbot--	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13750
[23:10:27] <Reedy>	its funny how such a simple thing like using a straight install memcached install can speed up MW :)
[23:13:35] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) MediaWiki:Nocontribs should pass on $target just like MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-footer - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17291  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[23:14:31] <werdnum>	Reedy: Yeah, caching rox.
[23:14:42] <Reedy>	:D
[23:14:52] <brion>	hrmfl
[23:15:22] <werdnum>	brion: I want a good text editor for mac but I don't want to spend a bajillion dollars on bbedit :~(
[23:15:43] <werdnum>	bbedit is cool, but $125?
[23:15:43] <brion>	free market, dude :)
[23:15:50] <brion>	some folks like textmate, it's cheaper
[23:16:16] <Reedy>	werdnum, google bbedit + torrent
[23:16:17] <Reedy>	;)
[23:16:17] <brion>	and there's plenty of cheap/free stuff i'm sure
[23:16:20] <brion>	all i know is i bought the thing 5 years ago and have used it every day since :)
[23:16:40] <Reedy>	if that includes unlimited upgrades... it isnt so bad
[23:16:46] <CIA-60>	03demon * r47770 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 4 dirs): (bug 17291) MediaWiki:Nocontribs should pass on $target just like Sp-contributions-footer (Patch by church of emacs)
[23:16:56] <^demon>	CIA lag :(
[23:17:27] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) The diffonly URI parameter should cascade to "Next edit" and "Previous edit" diff links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17241  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[23:18:07] <werdnum>	^demon: I feel bad pirating software.
[23:18:10] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r47771 10/trunk/phase3/includes/diff/DifferenceEngine.php: Bug 17241 The diffonly URI parameter should cascade to "Next edit" and "Previous edit" diff links
[23:18:23] <^demon>	werdnum: That was Reedy, not me.
[23:18:36] <^demon>	I never said pirate it ;-)
[23:18:48] <werdnum>	ah, Reedy then :P
[23:18:50] <Reedy>	lol
[23:19:01] <Reedy>	i wasnt necesserily condoning it, just an option
[23:19:03] <werdnum>	AaronSchulz: ewwww
[23:22:41] <churl>	So under "edit" I'm typing [[whatever]] then clicking "save".  The page looks fine, then I click "edit" again, and now [[whatever]] now looks like a hyperlink called whatever without the brackets.  so I click save (without changing anything) and viewing the page, [[whatever]] has now become [/wiki (i forget) whatever]
[23:23:32] <brion>	^demon: added some comments
[23:23:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) $wgCapitalLinks should be a per-namespace setting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13750  (10brion)
[23:25:24] <^demon>	brion: Thx. I missed the versions in the urls for the xsd.
[23:27:35] <brion>	:D
[23:28:01] <churl>	:)
[23:28:07] <brion>	churl: sounds like you're enjoying a wysiwig editor plugin which isn't quite working right :)
[23:29:09] <churl>	brion: good to know, someone set up the software, and told me to make a wiki page, it's my first time ever clicking "edit" on a wiki
[23:29:36] <churl>	but the page is working for the most part
[23:31:05] <brion>	why does quicktime think it can open staroffice files? :P
[23:31:25] <werdnum>	Because it's quicktime \o/
[23:31:31] <churl>	is there anyway to display [[whatever]] on the page.  i copy and pasted <pre>[[whatever]]</pre> but the pages doesn't seem to like it, says "the visual editor can't be used for this page."
[23:31:39] <churl>	but it seems to be working.....
[23:31:58] <werdnum>	<nowiki>[[whatever]]</nowiki>
[23:33:17] <churl>	werdnum: ah that's nice, thanks a bunch
[23:34:33] <churl>	and should i just not worry about all the &nbsp; ?
[23:37:06] <churl>	brion: i see that visual editor thing, i was just ignoring it, but now see what it's all about.  thanks again
[23:37:32] <brion>	AaronSchulz: i've got a mail from you end of january asking for a run up flaggedrev updateQueryCache.php. That still need doing or is that obsolete?
[23:37:44] <AaronSchulz>	not done yet
[23:38:48] <brion>	for each wiki w/ flaggedrevs?
[23:39:02] <brion>	one time or needed continuously?
[23:43:34] <CIA-60>	03sergeychernyshev * r47772 10/trunk/extensions/OpenID/ (OpenID.i18n.php OpenID.setup.php): 
[23:43:34] <CIA-60>	Marking trunk version with 0.8.4dev - will release and post a tag when more stuff is done.
[23:43:34] <CIA-60>	Renamed hideopenid message to openid-hide to simplify preferences code for OpenID tab.
[23:43:34] <CIA-60>	Updated messages for preferences page and attribute overriding confirmation checkbox.
[23:43:43] <CWii2>	arghh
[23:43:45] <CWii2>	Meh
[23:44:54] <klaas2>	hi all
[23:45:31] <klaas2>	 '< 
[23:47:05] <Sylvanus>	hello
[23:48:03] <Sylvanus>	anybody out there?
[23:48:29] <chuck>	ick, I don't like the new download page and download button on mediawiki.org
[23:48:50] <Sylvanus>	hah, I knew that button was new
[23:49:00] <Sylvanus>	I wondered some days ago why there was that strange button
[23:49:02] <Sylvanus>	;-)
[23:49:12] <AaronSchulz>	brion: just add it too the statsUpdate cron
[23:49:37] <Sylvanus>	I'd like to know why mediawiki page names ending on ".css" and ".js" are displayed in <pre> and with {{Mediawiki:Clearyourcache}} in front of the source code, while articles e.g. ending with ".conf" doesn't behave like that. Where can I change that?
[23:50:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable the ability for crats on the Arbcom private wiki (English Wikipedia) to also remove crat and sysop - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17201  (10brion)
[23:51:36] <brion>	we have a statsUpdate cronjob? where'd that get too... and is it still working... :D
[23:52:04] <AaronSchulz>	why is there a 'Change all selected revisions' button when you can't do anything?
[23:52:27] <brion>	i like the new download page, i don't like the button :D
[23:52:35] <AaronSchulz>	brion: http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/Batch_jobs#FlaggedRevs_stats_update
[23:52:41] <brion>	AaronSchulz: heh. :) should be an easy fix then
[23:52:48] <chuck>	both of them seem a tad awkward
[23:52:59] <brion>	supa
[23:53:42] <Sylvanus>	hrm
[23:54:14] <Sylvanus>	Am I supposed to use the Mediawiki: namespace as extension writer, e.g. for localisation? Shall I use prefixes for my messages, like "Mediawiki:abc-..."?
[23:54:47] <chuck>	Sylvanus: what's your extension called?
[23:55:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Send a cookie with each block? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3233  +comment (10cirt.wik)
[23:55:59] <Sylvanus>	chuck, something like "MetaSearch", so I would use the prefix "ms", e.g. Mediawiki:ms-selectionlabel
[23:56:32] <chuck>	Sylvanus: yeah, so just prefix your messages with "metasearch-" or "ms-" maybe
[23:56:38] <chuck>	it's up to you
[23:56:44] <Sylvanus>	btw, is it nice to use the Mediawiki namespace for configuration files? Mediawiki does that too, e.g. with Common.css.
[23:56:49] <Sylvanus>	chuck, okay
[23:57:08] <Sylvanus>	So I'd call my files e.g. Mediawiki:ms-databases.conf
[23:57:33] <chuck>	eh, that isn't generally done, usually it's just through configuration options that they would configure in LocalSettings.php
[23:57:36] <chuck>	but, again, it's up to you
[23:58:45] <Sylvanus>	Well, mediawiki system messages are easier to maintain and have nicer features (versioning, etc.) for larger configuration files
[23:59:01] <Sylvanus>	I just thought whether that's the right place to save something like that
[23:59:31] <chuck>	right, but they have a greater chance of being screwed up by an administrator of the wiki, as they don't have a definite format
[23:59:41] <Sylvanus>	Well, that's right, too.