[00:00:58] <Sylvanus>	Hm, but when I use Mediawiki namespace for configuration, I wondered if I could say Mediawiki to treat my configuration files like e.g. Common.css, so give them out in <pre> tags and do *not* interpret them as wiki markup
[00:03:48] <Sylvanus>	no idea?
[00:08:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) $wgCapitalLinks should be a per-namespace setting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13750  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[00:08:35] <^demon>	brion: Updated patch again with your comments. ^
[00:08:42] <mdale>	hmm th
[00:08:44] <mdale>	opps
[00:09:19] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Make overriding personal settings from OpenID more granular - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17660 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: OpenID; (sergey.chernyshev)
[00:09:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make overriding personal settings upon OpenID account association optional - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17633  (10sergey.chernyshev)
[00:09:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make overriding personal settings upon OpenID login optional - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17635  (10sergey.chernyshev)
[00:10:33] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Make overriding personal settings upon OpenID account association optional - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17633  +comment (10sergey.chernyshev)
[00:11:42] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Make overriding personal settings upon OpenID login optional - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17635  +comment (10sergey.chernyshev)
[00:12:45] <werdnum>	heh, he created a bug and fixed it himself :P
[00:13:19] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Sidebar search form should not use Special:Search view URL as target - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16823  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[00:13:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Send a cookie with each block? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3233  +comment (10J.delanoywiki)
[00:13:49] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r47773 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): (bug 16823) 'Sidebar search form should not use Special:Search view URL as target'
[00:26:52] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r47774 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/CodeRevisionListView.php: 
[00:26:52] <CIA-60>	* Show batch form only as needed
[00:26:52] <CIA-60>	* Other minor cleanup
[00:27:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make automatic creation of the user on OpenID login optional - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17654  (10sergey.chernyshev)
[00:31:57] <Re|ent|ess>	januszeal Please loeave
[00:45:10] <Splarka>	<Sylvanus> I'd like to know why mediawiki page names ending on ".css" and ".js" are displayed in <pre>
[00:45:23] <Splarka>	Sylvanus: includes/Title.php isCssOrJsPage() and isCssJsSubpage()
[00:45:38] <^demon>	Sylvanus: Because they're CSS and Javascript and preserving whitespace is usually preferred.
[00:45:55] <Splarka>	...
[00:45:58] <Splarka>	^demon: context
[00:46:05] <Splarka>	not why, philosphetically
[00:46:08] <Splarka>	why, technically
[00:46:09] <Splarka>	as in, how
[00:46:25] *Splarka 	stabs ^demon a bit
[00:46:42] <Splarka>	Sylvanus: return $this->mNamespace == NS_MEDIAWIKI && preg_match( '!\.(?:css|js)$!u', $this->mTextform ) > 0;
[00:46:46] <Splarka>	hardcoded cheap hack
[00:47:10] <Splarka>	in includes/Article.php in view():
[00:47:16] <Splarka>	if( $this->mTitle->isCssOrJsPage() || $this->mTitle->isCssJsSubpage() ) { 
[00:47:38] <Splarka>	la la: wfMsgExt( 'clearyourcache', 'parse' ) and then if( wfRunHooks( 'ShowRawCssJs', array( $this->mContent, $this->mTitle, $wgOut ) ) ) { // Wrap the whole lot in a <pre> and don't parse
[00:47:56] <Splarka>	the ShowRawCssJs hook lets a syntax hilight extension like Geshi replace the <pre>
[00:48:04] <Sylvanus>	Splarka:  ah, thanks
[00:48:18] <Sylvanus>	this is quite hidden ;-)
[00:48:26] <Splarka>	so you can't use that hook to extend it
[00:48:26] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r47775 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (Category.php Title.php): Whitespace :)
[00:48:48] <Splarka>	but you could possibly do a parallel trick using other article rendering hooks
[00:48:54] <Splarka>	see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks#Page_Rendering
[00:49:13] <Sylvanus>	well, yes, there are tricks like http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist is using
[00:49:32] <Splarka>	heh, tricks, manual <pre>/spacing
[00:49:32] <Sylvanus>	but okay
[00:49:35] <Splarka>	yes, you can do that
[00:49:45] <Sylvanus>	thank you for your extensive information
[00:49:53] <Splarka>	note that isCssJsSubpage() is a bit special
[00:49:56] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r47776 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SearchEngine.php: (bug 16343) Non-exiting, but in use, category pages can be "go" match hits
[00:49:58] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) "Go" search for existing category with non-existent page shows search instead of going to target - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16343  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[00:50:01] <Splarka>	user subpages ending in .css or .js are auto-protected from edits
[00:50:26] <Sylvanus>	aha... oka
[00:50:27] <Sylvanus>	+y
[00:50:54] <Splarka>	only that user or sysops (or anyone with 'editusercssjs' right, sysops by default) can edit those
[00:51:22] <Sylvanus>	I doubt that saving extension configuration in a mediawiki file is really intelligent -- it has to be parsed every time the extension is called (special page extension). Or is there an easy option to use mediawikis caching system?
[00:52:52] *Splarka 	dunno about that, looks blond
[00:53:03] <Sylvanus>	hm
[00:53:18] <Sylvanus>	nevertheless saving such configuration data in a PHP file would be much more perfomant
[00:53:31] <Sylvanus>	even if it's not that confortable for administrators
[00:54:09] <Splarka>	make a Special: page to read/write that, be careful of code injection ^_^
[00:55:06] <Sylvanus>	read what? I would never parse a config file in Mediawiki namespace as PHP
[00:56:06] <Sylvanus>	I've thought of something like http://biokemika.svenk.homeip.net/index.php/MediaWiki:Ms-databases -- parsing of that page can be done in one line PHP
[01:05:23] *Lady_Aleena 	sets out cookies on the table.
[01:06:54] <Splarka>	Sylvanus: no, I mean a Special: page that read/writes a file, not a page in the DB or any mw namespace
[01:06:59] <Splarka>	(several extensions do that)
[01:07:29] <Sylvanus>	erhm
[01:07:41] <Sylvanus>	I thought an extension can do everything Mediawiki can.
[01:07:52] <Sylvanus>	so it should have access to the db, too
[01:08:03] <CWii>	<Sylvanus> I thought an extension can do everything Mediawiki can.
[01:08:13] <CWii>	And suddenly I want to break into song...
[01:08:25] <Sylvanus>	hm?
[01:08:41] <Sylvanus>	CWii, what do you mean?
[01:09:23] <CWii>	Sylvanus: Ya know, "I can do anything better than you! No you can't! Yes I can..etc" the song.
[01:09:30] <Sylvanus>	LOL
[01:09:40] <Sylvanus>	My Extension doesn't want to improve Mediawiki.
[01:10:13] <Sylvanus>	I just meant that I can read from any mw namespace or from any mysql db table, as far as I know
[01:10:48] <Sylvanus>	and via $bla = wfMsg('my-name'); I should also have very easy access to system messages.
[01:11:04] <Sylvanus>	So why not $configuration = wfMsg('my-extension-config')? :-)
[01:11:31] <Splarka>	*FACEPALM*
[01:11:34] <Splarka>	sigh
[01:11:43] <Splarka>	<Sylvanus> I thought an extension can do everything Mediawiki can.
[01:11:46] <Splarka>	and more
[01:11:49] <Splarka>	hence the word "extension"
[01:11:55] <Sylvanus>	yes, of course
[01:12:01] <Splarka>	lets say, for example, you have an extension to log certain actions to a plain .txt file
[01:12:19] <Splarka>	it doesn't have to write to the db, it can just output a .txt that you can easily crop or delete whenever
[01:12:33] <Sylvanus>	yes, of course
[01:12:35] <Splarka>	well, you could have an extension to take data you entered into a Special: page and put it in a .conf file
[01:12:46] <Splarka>	<Sylvanus> I doubt that saving extension configuration in a mediawiki file is really intelligent -- it has to be parsed every time the extension is called 
[01:12:51] <Splarka>	then you wouldn't have ^ that problem
[01:12:56] <Splarka>	but then you *would* have an on-wiki UI
[01:13:08] <Splarka>	make sense?
[01:13:19] <Sylvanus>	You mean I should implement some caching system.
[01:13:26] <Splarka>	...
[01:13:29] <Splarka>	nevermind
[01:13:38] <Sylvanus>	<Splarka> Sylvanus: no, I mean a Special: page that read/writes a file, not a page in the DB or any mw namespace
[01:14:36] <Splarka>	you seemed to be fishing for alternatives to putting configurable data into the DB/MW-namespace
[01:14:38] <Splarka>	my mistake
[01:15:41] <Sylvanus>	Well, I've got these two alternatives: (a) MW system message (b) LocalConfig.inc.php. The point is that I want to make configuration easy and comprehensible
[01:15:56] <Sylvanus>	for stupid users that cannot code PHP.
[01:19:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) syntax errors with MSSQL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15493  (10tstarling)
[01:21:54] *Lady_Aleena 	freshens cookies before she leaves.
[01:35:20] <p858snake>	TimStarling: 17646 should probably be looked at since /alot/ of people use it
[01:37:41] <Simetrical>	Aaron|away, you know, I break lines at 79 characters because I intend to do that.  You don't need to go around deciding to unilaterally reverse that all over the place.
[01:40:56] <p858snake>	i thought 80 is what people broke at these days?
[01:50:49] <TimStarling>	send him an email
[01:51:52] <Simetrical>	p858snake, 79 works better when viewing diffs, which add a character on the left.
[01:52:08] <Simetrical>	Of course, I don't use 80-column terminals these days, so I'm not entirely sure why I still stick to 79 columns.
[01:53:11] <p858snake>	because the dev's still hurt you if you don't
[01:53:22] <Simetrical>	Which devs?
[01:53:48] <Simetrical>	I seem to be the dev who cares most (i.e., at all) about spacing.
[01:53:52] <Simetrical>	I mean, line width, not spacing.
[01:54:21] <p858snake>	i remember someone in here rejecting code that wasn't capped at 80 or something
[01:55:07] <werdnum>	TimStarling got annoyed when I had files at about 150 chars (okay, fair enough :P)
[01:55:30] <werdnum>	The text editor I use now is only 80 characters wide, so I can have two side by side and so on.
[01:55:58] <Simetrical>	My monitor isn't quite wide enough for that.  :(
[01:56:08] *Simetrical 	needs one of the new-fangled fancy "flat screens" or whatever they call them
[01:57:09] <p858snake>	Simetrical: still using a CRT?
[01:57:25] <Simetrical>	Two 19" ones, yep.
[01:57:36] <p858snake>	:o Energry waster >.>
[01:57:43] <p858snake>	*energy
[01:57:46] <Simetrical>	Oh, please, energy my foot.
[01:58:17] <Simetrical>	You're not going to save the Earth by reducing your computer usage.
[01:58:53] <p858snake>	i'm the type of person that leaves my computer on 24/7 >.>
[02:00:59] <p858snake>	boo yeah! i'm in the bugzilla quip "<p858snake> basically wikipedia runs on the "when brion or tim gets drunk and plays with svn" build"
[02:01:18] <werdnum>	heh
[02:01:41] <Splarka>	only 160 characters wide? Courier New 6pt man!
[02:02:44] <p858snake>	i hate word earpping, i always have to turn that off in dreamweaver since its decides to wrap at 80 no matter what size screen you have
[02:03:03] <brion>	heh
[02:03:11] <p858snake>	*wraping
[02:03:18] <Splarka>	raping?
[02:03:48] <werdnum>	p858snake: You use dreamweaver *and* you don't break lines? :P
[02:04:31] <p858snake>	no i break my lines manually
[02:04:44] <p858snake>	not half way in a link statement
[02:06:09] <werdnum>	yes that's true -- dynamic word-wrapping is annouying
[02:06:22] <kwvarga>	Anyone here have any experience with jasper reports?
[02:06:38] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) CentralNotice is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17622  +comment (10tfinc)
[02:06:40] <p858snake>	and it also wasted half my screen as whitespace which i don't like
[02:06:50] <CIA-60>	03tstarling * r47777 10/trunk/extensions/ExtensionDistributor/ (ExtensionDistributor.php svn-invoker.php): 
[02:06:50] <CIA-60>	* Fixed working copy dir in svn-invoker.php
[02:06:50] <CIA-60>	* Removed the $wgExtDistBranches default list and added it to CommonSettings.php instead, apparently a simple comment is not enough to stop people from editing it without simultaneously updating the copy on the server.
[02:25:23] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Downloads not working via ExtensionDistributor - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17646  +comment (10tstarling)
[02:33:23] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r47778 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/Views/ (AbuseFilterViewExamine.php AbuseFilterViewTestBatch.php): Normalise usernames before searching for them in Abuse Filter examine and test interfaces.
[02:40:21] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r47779 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/Views/AbuseFilterViewExamine.php: Fatal
[02:45:22] <werdnum>	Hmm, it looks like IPv6 addresses are considered invalid usernames
[02:45:23] <werdnum>	:/
[02:47:31] <Prodego>	werdnum: mediawiki doesn't support IPv6, right?
[02:47:39] <Marybelle>	werdnum: For account registration? Why wouldn't they be banned?
[02:48:03] <Prodego>	of course any usernames that are IPv6 addresses wouldn't be allowed
[02:48:22] <Prodego>	just like usernames that are ipv4 addresses aren't allowed
[02:57:09] <werdnum>	Marybelle: No, for User::newFromName :P
[02:57:37] <Marybelle>	Oh. 
[02:57:39] <Marybelle>	:P
[03:17:00] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) calmer register_globals warning - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17639  +comment (10tstarling)
[03:21:46] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) OOM while thumbnailing huge progressive JPEGs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17645  04BLOCKER->normal; highest->normal; summary; +comment (10tstarling)
[03:22:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CentralNotice is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17622  (10tfinc)
[03:57:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CentralNotice is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17622  +comment (10tstarling)
[03:57:50] <TimStarling>	tomaszf: see above
[04:32:11] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r47780 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/AbuseFilter.class.php: Fix Abuse Filter after-the-fact var generation -- was using request IP address in place of IPs for anonymous changes
[04:33:58] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r47781 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiQueryLogEvents.php: INDEX use fixes
[04:46:22] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Mistaken cite error about missing <references/> - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17661 minor; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Cite; (freeyourmind)
[04:56:59] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Mistaken cite error about missing <references/> - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17661  +comment (10p858snake)
[05:05:58] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r47782 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Tweaked 'revdelete-text' to be more like other delete headers
[05:42:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Blank Pages on Print Preview for Cologne Blue Skin (MSIE) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12291  +comment (10mrzmanwiki)
[05:42:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) This page doesn't print correctly with IE7 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16890  +comment (10mrzmanwiki)
[05:42:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Internet Explorer (IE) issues on Windows (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=640  (10mrzmanwiki)
[06:25:47] <Emufarmers>	Any ideas on why the snapshot for InputBox is missing? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:InputBox
[06:27:06] <Marybelle>	Hello Emufarmers.
[06:27:07] <bladerunner1>	You get intermittant problems like that, use subversion browser to download them manuaklly 
[06:27:16] <Emufarmers>	Hello o;
[06:27:53] <Emufarmers>	It doesn't appear to be an intermittent problem; the snapshot repository isn't out to pasture: the extension just isn't there
[06:33:40] <Marybelle>	Has anyone asked the snapshot repository?
[06:35:56] <Emufarmers>	I don't know if we can get it to talk without resorting to torture
[06:41:25] <Metropolitan>	Hello all! Quick question - does anyone here know how to enable a proper printable version using the monobook skin? I can't seem to do it, and the version from the print dialogue is pretty ugly and not hiding elements like the search form and sidebar links.
[06:45:37] <bladerunner1>	metropolitan: have you searched whether there is an extension to change the printable versions?
[06:46:20] <bladerunner1>	As for a pre-developed solution without getting your hands dirty, thats probably the only way. Other than that it will involve searching mediawiki manuals to find where the printable version is at and editing the source directly
[06:46:34] <bladerunner1>	---
[06:48:51] <Metropolitan>	I've given it a cursory once over, but I didn't see anything; I'll go look again. I don't mind getting my hands dirty, but even when I start looking through and editing files like commonPrint.css, I get no result when I test. It's odd!
[06:50:21] <bladerunner1>	although css can is often the origin of page position using its floats, position:absolute/relative, and so forth...
[06:50:48] <bladerunner1>	in the case of mediawiki, its probably got a lot more to do with font styles etc
[06:51:01] <bladerunner1>	I would suggest finding the php file which does your print template construction
[06:51:52] <bladerunner1>	In the case of mediawiki, the fastest way is using help manuals. In the case that its not easy to find or in other applications, i often find myself viewing the source code, and writing down some sort of key word (such as a class ID or CLASS). I then open documents and search that keyword to find the origin
[06:52:14] <bladerunner1>	Thats a crude method but always works, 
[06:52:29] <Metropolitan>	Ah, good idea! Thanks bladerunner. I was running 1.13.4 up until this evening when I upgraded to 1.14.0; before the upgrade I had a very nice simple print version that hid everything but the content and title (and images, if there were any.) Is it possible that it's the new version?
[06:53:52] <bladerunner1>	my bad
[06:53:54] <bladerunner1>	it does use the css
[06:53:56] <bladerunner1>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Printable
[06:53:57] <bladerunner1>	there you go
[06:54:03] <bladerunner1>	just did a quick search
[06:56:48] <Metropolitan>	Damn! I looked at that page and completely missed the wikiprintable.css part at the bottom. Thanks again, bladerunner!
[06:57:29] <Metropolitan>	And I just re-watched the final cut of Blade Runner on Sunday...
[07:08:06] <bladerunner1>	I always liked the futuristic game that came out a number of years ago
[07:08:18] <bladerunner1>	It was cutting edge in its day
[07:08:52] <Metropolitan>	The one from the late 90's?
[07:08:56] <bladerunner1>	yeh
[07:09:30] <Metropolitan>	I remember it, but I don't think I ever played it. Looked good. Ever read the book?
[07:09:50] <bladerunner1>	No, I think i should now that you mention it
[07:09:59] <bladerunner1>	is it good?
[07:10:42] <Metropolitan>	Philip K. Dick is good stuff - they made a few of his books into movies. Blade Runner is based on "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" - it's great, that one.
[07:10:52] <Metropolitan>	The one Total Recall is based on is good too
[07:12:47] <bladerunner1>	Thanks, Ive made a note of that, its always good to revisit classics
[07:13:15] <Metropolitan>	Sure :)
[07:14:45] <bladerunner1>	I have a question, I know it speaks to a lack of wider knowldge on user_rights and namespaces, (which I apologize for). Anyway question: I want to disallow the editing of Talk: namespace but still allow the user to add new comments to it
[07:15:28] <bladerunner1>	I understand the basic concept which is $wgNamespaceProtection, I just havnt found any help pages on this specific sub-section of functionality
[07:15:30] <OverlordQ>	adding comments is an act of editing
[07:15:43] <bladerunner1>	damn, that makes things tricky
[07:16:12] <Metropolitan>	Yeah, I'd imagine it's difficult to protect a page but allow comments. Hrm.
[07:16:51] <bladerunner1>	Well essentially what I'm aiming for in my build is that you have to be registered to change articles
[07:17:01] <bladerunner1>	except iw ould prefer if people could still discuss thinsg unregistered
[07:17:20] <Metropolitan>	Well I think that's doable - hold on a sec.
[07:17:52] <bladerunner1>	well i managed to disallow all but the Talk namespace, the problem is that that leaves the "edit" button in the talk namespace as well as the comment button
[07:18:14] <bladerunner1>	Hmm, that just made me think of a hack, I could just create a conditional to remove the edit button, then its only editable to the public if the brute force the address in
[07:18:27] <bladerunner1>	That doesnt worry me because i can do a rollback if that happens
[07:18:46] <bladerunner1>	still seems a bit silly, i hoped there was a better way
[07:21:19] <Metropolitan>	Maybe something with $wgRestrictionTypes? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgRestrictionTypes
[07:21:41] <Metropolitan>	or $wgGroupRestrictions?
[07:23:08] <bladerunner1>	Thanks for looking, I think I'm going to go with an ad hoc solution for now and put it on a 'to do' list
[07:23:23] <bladerunner1>	I'm going to run with the notion that its a form of editing and not available from a localsettings default setting
[07:23:54] <Metropolitan>	Sounds like as good of an idea as any - sorry I couldn't come up with anything better!
[07:24:14] <bladerunner1>	all good
[07:26:27] <yang2>	I get such installation error, and I have specified the correct root password for mysql http://pastebin.com/m5e4486ec
[07:26:30] <bladerunner1>	What about this one, is there any way to create a default talk page entry everytime a wiki entry is created. This way people wont be directed to a page-edit the first time "talk is clicked"
[07:27:21] <bladerunner1>	yang2: Check your username and password allocated to that database, do you have phpmyadmin
[07:27:29] <Metropolitan>	Yang, does your user have the proper permissions?
[07:28:32] <Metropolitan>	 Is there someway you could do that with Templates, bladerunner?
[07:28:41] <OverlordQ>	bladerunner1: are you wanting to keep people from creating the page, or editing the page?
[07:28:58] <yang2>	I think that I can only connect to mysql as root via phpmyadmin, I cannot via shell
[07:29:30] <bladerunner1>	I want people to be able to add comments to articles. Ive solved my first issue by just removing the edit button from Talk namespace so people can only see add comment. What i want now is:
[07:29:53] <bladerunner1>	When a new article is created, the first time you click discussion it brings up an edit namespace and asks if you want to create the new entry
[07:30:15] <bladerunner1>	I want it so when an article is created the talk namespace is already created with a small template
[07:30:47] <bladerunner1>	I'm pretty sure i could just fork a mysql process and perhaps enter some data, I'm just being lazy here and talking out loud.. my bad
[07:31:12] <yang2>	i have fixed it now, works
[07:31:37] <bladerunner1>	yang2: I think we've all done that before at some time or another
[07:32:21] <OverlordQ>	which button is "Add comment?"
[07:32:26] <yang2>	to which level do i chmod /etc/LocalSettings.php
[07:32:45] <bladerunner1>	+
[07:32:48] <CIA-60>	03rotem * r47787 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Localization fix.
[07:32:54] <OverlordQ>	oh, add section
[07:33:06] <bladerunner1>	I think ive just thought of another solution
[07:33:11] <bladerunner1>	I could remove the discussion button all together
[07:33:17] <bladerunner1>	and just make it this instead: index.php?title=Talk:Namespace&action=edit&section=new
[07:33:50] <yang2>	/etc/mediawiki/LocalSettings.php
[07:33:51] <bladerunner1>	well.. hmm no because i want people to SEE articles in there first then choose to add a new one
[07:34:04] <bladerunner1>	It needs default data i guess
[07:34:35] <OverlordQ>	ok, lay out again what you're wanting here. Logged in users can edit articles and create talk pages? Anonymous users can only add comments to talk pages?
[07:34:53] <bladerunner1>	yes, and of course view the existing comments on talk pages
[07:35:09] <OverlordQ>	oh, that's easy
[07:35:15] <bladerunner1>	I will add this to a discussion on the Talk namespace once were done OverlordQ :)
[07:35:33] <bladerunner1>	orly? whats your thoughts on method?
[07:36:05] <Nikerabbit>	hallo
[07:36:51] <OverlordQ>	just turn off page creation: $wgGroupPermissions['*']['createpage'] = false;
[07:37:37] <OverlordQ>	and turn it on for only selected groups
[07:40:53] <Metropolitan>	Hrm. I'm still having no luck enabling the printable version link with the monobook skin in 1.14.0 - I've tried editing various CSS files and can't seem to change even the print preview. Any thoughts?
[07:42:30] <bladerunner1>	one key thing
[07:42:35] <bladerunner1>	is which css file you are editing
[07:42:47] <bladerunner1>	the first thing i would do if i was you is install the web developer and firebug plugins
[07:43:02] <bladerunner1>	then use your toolbar ( i cant remember which of the two it is), then click Edit, View CSS
[07:43:07] <bladerunner1>	view the CSS output
[07:43:19] <bladerunner1>	it may well be its actually a CSS file from inside your skins/template/ folder
[07:43:58] <bladerunner1>	those plugins are for firefox by the way, its my preferred web development testing platform
[07:44:15] <Metropolitan>	Got 'em already bladerunner :) but apparently MonoBook is designed to ignore the printable version link; I only see the stripped version when I go to my print dialogue and see a preview.
[07:44:57] <Metropolitan>	And the stripped version isn't all that stripped! The sidebar links are there, the footer, etc. But even when I try to style that, I get nothing - and I don't know why...
[07:46:10] <bladerunner1>	Have you got a live link 
[07:46:39] <Metropolitan>	Unfortunately not, just my local server
[07:49:09] <bladerunner1>	hmm
[07:49:14] <bladerunner1>	maybe you were talking to the wrong person
[07:49:31] <bladerunner1>	I just did a search on "printable" being the GET function called
[07:49:34] <bladerunner1>	and found this
[07:49:39] <bladerunner1>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:NavContent
[07:50:00] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Customizable default preload/editintro in add-new-section link for Talk page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17662 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (anon.hui)
[07:51:09] <bladerunner1>	something like that or make sure you have the right stylesheet, ill brb
[07:52:10] <Metropolitan>	Hm; I'm not sure that would help me bladerunner - take a look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Printable
[07:52:26] <CIA-60>	03straussd * r47788 10/civicrm/trunk/ (. sites/all/modules/pressflow_transaction/): Remove the Pressflow Transaction module.
[07:52:45] <Metropolitan>	The first paragraph in Printers and the first paragraph in Screens lay it out there
[07:55:26] <Metropolitan>	brb myself
[08:09:01] <bladerunner1>	Okay, I really should take 60 seconds to read people's issues before attempting to help them
[08:09:12] <bladerunner1>	As a final note before i get back to it, Your problem is basically this
[08:09:24] <bladerunner1>	In addition to the magic worked with the css file, there IS some other stuff going on
[08:09:33] <januszeal>	 Slán go fóill, IRC <3
[08:10:10] <bladerunner1>	If it was simply a matter of css then obviously it would work in monobook too. So you will find that in your "print preview" moonbook hack your trying to use, simply changing the css wont fix your issue
[08:10:49] <bladerunner1>	Mediawiki pretty much has nothing on your issue, however google has turned up some interesting results, stick to google searches from here
[08:10:56] <CIA-60>	03straussd * r47789 10/civicrm/trunk/sites/all/modules/civicrm_api/ (civicrm_api.info civicrm_api.module): Update the CiviCRM API module for Drupal 6 and CiviCRM 2.1.
[08:11:01] <Delano>	hey guys
[08:11:17] <Delano>	Im trying to get this irc extension working the way I want it to
[08:11:19] <Metropolitan>	You're totally right bladerunner - I'm just at a loss :)
[08:11:27] <Delano>	I've got the Special:IRC page working
[08:11:36] <Delano>	but now I want to actually embed that on to the main page
[08:11:41] <Delano>	instead of just link to it
[08:11:46] <Delano>	anyone have any ideas?
[08:12:04] <Delano>	I already added the includablespecialpage thingy to the specialpages.php dealymerbob
[08:12:06] <Delano>	no luck
[08:12:21] <Delano>	still just gives me a link when I {{Special:IRC}}
[08:12:45] <bladerunner1>	Yeh its hard man :/
[08:12:54] <CIA-60>	03straussd * r47790 10/civicrm/trunk/sites/all/modules/thank_you/ (thank_you.info thank_you.module): Update the Thank You module for Drupal 6.
[08:13:56] <bladerunner1>	I'm very confused on the lack of information on the subject, certainly if we fix this we should update some talk namespaces with some notes to help others
[08:14:32] <bladerunner1>	delano: extensions will generally list their implementation and information on the main page
[08:14:39] <Metropolitan>	brb
[08:14:53] <bladerunner1>	delano: I suggest clicking the discussion information and reading up whether anybody else has asked your question, (and searching google)
[08:15:15] <bladerunner1>	If nobody has attempted to modify your extension in this way before, then I guess your going to have to slice it and change it yourself
[08:22:04] <Delano>	already been googling to death
[08:22:08] <Delano>	I'll check the talk page
[08:23:45] <Delano>	yeah.. nothing.
[08:24:45] <bladerunner1>	Unfortunately it appears it may require some work, shouldnt be too hard. I'm still very new myself I cant help from here
[08:25:01] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) add {{#substr:}}, {{#head:}}, {{#tail:}}, {{#len:}} function - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16197  +comment (10anon.hui)
[08:25:36] <Delano>	th is a butload of peopel in here Im suprised there isnt some superwikigenius bashing me over the head with the answer and a n00b comment
[08:25:40] <Delano>	*buttload
[08:25:45] <Delano>	*people
[08:28:50] <CIA-60>	03straussd * r47791 10/civicrm/trunk/sites/all/modules/thank_you/thank_you.module: Fix Thank You menu hook.
[08:30:46] <CIA-60>	03straussd * r47792 10/civicrm/trunk/sites/all/modules/exchange_rates/ (3 files): Update Exchange Rates module for Drupal 6.
[08:31:05] <Marybelle>	You could make the Main page Special:IRC.
[08:36:27] <CIA-60>	03straussd * r47786 10/civicrm/trunk/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Apply CiviCRM 2.0 customizations to CiviCRM 2.1.
[08:37:08] <Marybelle>	chuck: Ping?
[08:40:06] <Delano>	marybelle but then how do I edit the main page?
[08:40:15] <Marybelle>	Good question.
[08:40:27] <Marybelle>	A better question I suppose is why you're trying to put IRC on your main page.
[08:40:55] <Delano>	my mediawiki site is a "guide" for a game
[08:41:15] <Delano>	lot of the gamers also like to chat
[08:41:21] <Delano>	having it on the main page makes sense
[08:41:30] <Delano>	http://breakentropy.com
[08:41:35] <Delano>	check it out
[08:45:51] <OverlordQ>	is it a java applet or something?
[08:52:42] <CIA-60>	03straussd * r47794 10/civicrm/trunk/sites/all/modules/fundcore/gateways/ (fundcore_moneybookers.info fundcore_moneybookers.module): Remove Moneybookers support.
[08:53:56] <kraut>	moin
[08:54:33] <Aleenf1>	The requested URL /config/index.php was not found on this server.
[08:54:34] <Aleenf1>	Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
[08:54:36] <Aleenf1>	Whats wrong?
[08:58:48] <Aleenf1>	anyone here?
[08:59:02] <CIA-60>	03straussd * r47795 10/civicrm/trunk/sites/all/modules/civimerge/ (civimerge.info civimerge.module civimerge_action.inc): Update CiviMerge for Drupal 6.
[08:59:26] <CIA-60>	03straussd * r47796 10/civicrm/trunk/sites/all/modules/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Update Fundraising CORE for Drupal 6.
[09:40:00] <AndrewMohawk>	is there a way i can easily update just the pages and revisions tables of my db without having to download anything extra?
[09:44:54] <OverlordQ>	?
[09:45:33] <Sadik_Khalid>	Is there any wikicode to reach a page if the condition is true?
[09:46:25] <AndrewMohawk>	sorry
[09:46:26] <AndrewMohawk>	from wikipedia
[09:46:33] <AndrewMohawk>	i realise out of context that made no sense
[09:51:01] <Sadik_Khalid>	?
[09:55:40] <AndrewMohawk>	pages-meta-history.xml.bz2 <-- when they say "all revisions", do they mean for all pages for as long as wikipedia has been around?
[09:58:49] <domas>	AndrewMohawk: something like that
[10:00:55] <yang2>	I added $wgLogo             = "{$wgScriptPath}/kmotionlogo.jpg"; into LocalSettings.php at the bottom, and sdaved file in /etc/mediawiki, however it won't get displayed
[10:08:21] <bladerunner1>	Hi, I have a question: I've been testing and playing with various extensions for mediawiki. I often come across ones that dont have direct download links so i use the SVN. My question is whether we are required to copy ALL of the files to the extension direction upon installation. I am not currently using extensionmanager because Im working on a windows environment 
[10:09:11] <bladerunner1>	I'm using an extension at the moment which i would assume is fairly commonplace Extension:CategoryTree which is giving me grief in installation and I'm thinking its probably my implementation
[10:12:53] <tobiastobias>	i want to hide special sections of a page to users who are not logged in, is there any command for this? thank you
[10:14:48] <OverlordQ>	bladerunner1: just download the files, put them in a folder and add the line to LocalSettings
[10:15:39] <bladerunner1>	Hmm, thats what i thought
[10:16:05] <bladerunner1>	hey you were the one i was speaking to earlier, I found this extension: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:EditTalkRight
[10:16:30] <bladerunner1>	Which does exactly what i need. When i tried to implement what we discussed it didnt work
[10:16:43] <bladerunner1>	tobiastobias: help:user_rights
[10:18:49] <OverlordQ>	you can do the same thing that extension does with what's in MW core iirc
[10:19:10] <bladerunner1>	well thats what i thought, but when i tried this it did nothing: $wgGroupPermissions['*']['createpage'] = false;
[10:19:27] <bladerunner1>	* user can still create talk namespace pages
[10:20:05] <bladerunner1>	i need to learn to use appropriate terms, i mean they can still add sections
[10:20:25] <bladerunner1>	omg
[10:20:32] <bladerunner1>	i was just looking at the link i pasted tobias
[10:20:34] <bladerunner1>	createtalk
[10:20:35] <bladerunner1>	hahahahahah
[10:21:21] <bladerunner1>	there it is
[10:25:01] <tobiastobias>	is it possible to lock the navigation bar for users not logged in?
[10:28:41] <bladerunner1>	Possible, yes. What do you mean by lock
[10:28:50] <bladerunner1>	you mean 'not appear' for users not logged in
[10:28:57] <bladerunner1>	or the hyperlinks appear but clicking them does nothing
[10:29:11] <tobiastobias>	that is an idea
[10:29:29] <tobiastobias>	or the links can't be seen
[10:29:50] <bladerunner1>	links cant be seen would be better in my opinion, yes you can
[10:30:03] <bladerunner1>	the easiest way to achieve this would be to create an adjustment to your template file
[10:30:18] <bladerunner1>	there are various areas of navigation, the one you are looking for is custom navigation
[10:31:50] <bladerunner1>	Theres some conditional, i cant remmber exactly something like this:  if($wgUser->isAnon()){ ad code }
[10:31:57] <bladerunner1>	look at the help pages thats a common request
[10:41:27] <zu22>	hi, i would like to backup my mediawiki mysql database (DB name: wikidb, DB user: wikiuser) so exactly what command should i type to do this? and then if i reinstalled mysql on another machine what command would i type to have mediawiki accept the archived database?
[10:42:55] <bladerunner1>	an easy way to to a manual backup is use phpmyadmin
[10:43:06] <bladerunner1>	export your database to a file, then import it using phpmyadmin on the other
[10:43:23] <bladerunner1>	google phpmyadmin export database if you want pictures
[10:44:09] <zu22>	ok cool thanks
[10:44:49] <bladerunner1>	oh man i think I'm going to cry. Ive only just come back to it but ive killed another 20 minutes
[10:52:47] <CIA-60>	03purodha * r47797 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Correct some bolding that did not work as intended anyways.
[10:56:42] <CIA-60>	03daniel * r47798 10/trunk/WikiWord/WikiWord/src/main/php/ (wikiword.php wwutils.php): concept details
[11:04:52] <Duesentrieb>	this could be handy do avoid commits to tags, etc: http://svn.borg.ch/tmp/block_locked.py.txt
[11:10:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Duplicate image reuploading should be forbidden - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15676  (10stevend811)
[11:10:49] <bladerunner1>	how does extension:header_footer even work? I cant see where i invoke the headers and footers
[11:10:54] <bladerunner1>	is that by editing the main file?
[11:13:59] <bladerunner1>	i got it dw, you have to put that in your browser window
[11:16:46] <Hubble3000>	how can you make invisible headlines with a working TOC? display:none defuncts te TOC, font-size:0 works in FF but not e.g. in Chrome, color:#ffffff is uncool.
[11:17:18] <Hubble3000>	i only need it for section jumping without headlines though
[11:19:22] <Hubble3000>	<a name=... is displayed in plain text
[11:22:06] <GerardM->	maybe a stupid question, can you update the parser test separately ?
[11:22:38] <bladerunner1>	Hubble3000: the key benefit of display: hidden is that you can toggle page elements without javascript instantaenously and efficiently
[11:22:44] <bladerunner1>	it does have that setback
[11:23:09] <bladerunner1>	there are various other methods to hide content, for example working natively in php you can obviously use if conditionals
[11:23:16] <bladerunner1>	javascript similar too
[11:24:36] <Hubble3000>	using it on an article
[11:25:12] <Hubble3000>	only for one article so no major change
[11:28:32] <p858snake>	Hubble3000: look at {{anchor}} on en.wiki
[11:29:49] <Hubble3000>	thanks will do.
[11:30:09] <Hubble3000>	visibility:hidden hides the headline text but not the space it uses
[11:34:31] <pallas23>	hi there!
[11:35:20] <CIA-60>	03rotem * r47785 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesEn.php MessagesHe.php): Localization update for he + fixing comment.
[11:36:35] <pallas23>	I'm customizing a 1.13.3 mediawiki
[11:36:36] <Hubble3000>	i think {{anchor}} only enables and alias for one or more existing headlines
[11:37:19] <pallas23>	i did all the css-changes and now need to edit the html a bit
[11:37:47] <pallas23>	unfortunately i couldn't find the code that actually generates the html
[11:38:03] <pallas23>	(my knowledge of php5 is very limited)
[11:38:26] <Simetrical>	pallas23, skins/MonoBook.php might have what you want.  Depending on exactly what you want to change.
[11:38:28] <pallas23>	couldn't find anything on mediawiki.org either 
[11:38:35] <pallas23>	aaah
[11:38:50] <pallas23>	*checking*
[11:40:49] <pallas23>	@Simetrical: jackpot! thankes ever so much!
[11:42:13] <pallas23>	(i searched "monobook/" for a php-file, but just didn't look in the parent dir)
[11:42:46] <Hubble3000>	maybe it helps if I describe it the other way around: I have a long table and want to enable jumping to certain rows by a list on top.
[11:43:12] <pallas23>	Thanks again and have a nice day :)
[11:43:42] <Hubble3000>	easiest would be <a name=... but that is no allowed html i guess :?
[11:46:24] <Simetrical>	Hubble3000, you can use <span id="xyz"> for the same effect.
[11:46:51] <Hubble3000>	id also works as anchor? doh!
[11:46:58] <Simetrical>	Yes.
[11:49:12] <Hubble3000>	indeed. great.
[11:49:23] <Hubble3000>	cheerio
[11:58:26] <werdnum>	hi Simetrical 
[12:43:20] <piksi>	what's the most sensible way to transfer all pages from one db backup to another wiki? is it possible without transferring user account data and history?
[12:44:34] <piksi>	i'm facing the problem that my wiki tables are partially utf8 and partially latin1
[12:44:40] <piksi>	i need to convert them all to utf8
[12:46:53] <p858snake>	you will need to page histories as well or it will break things
[12:47:28] <flyingparchment>	piksi: are you sure you want to convert them to utf-8?  there are still problems with the experimental utf-8 schema
[12:47:37] <flyingparchment>	(like mysql not supporting all of the unicode character set)
[12:48:10] <piksi>	oh, i didn't know that
[12:48:24] <Prom3th3an>	Also, If you using a SQL DB backup, not including the user table would break refferential integrity
[12:48:24] <flyingparchment>	(and it's not well tested, since almost all wikis use the latin1 "fake utf8" schema)
[12:49:08] <piksi>	flyingparchment: ok, i just assumed it would be a good practice to convert all data to utf8 as i'm used to using that. also i don't have need for the complete character set, just the most commonly used part
[12:49:13] <Danny_B>	what would be the easiest/straightest way to allow anonymous users to see pages only in main ns?
[12:49:25] <piksi>	flyingparchment: but if it's not production safe to convert, then i'll forget about it :-)
[12:49:41] <flyingparchment>	piksi: well, there are a couple of advantages.. mainly 1) getting a proper collation (e.g. in sorted lists of pages) and 2) working with the database using external tools
[12:50:41] <flyingparchment>	you can do the conversion in-place, but i'm not sure how off hand.  (there are two mysql commands, one that re-encodes the data, and one that just changes the character set without touching the data... you want the second one)
[12:51:05] <piksi>	flyingparchment: i found this but i'm not quite sure if it's a very reliable way: http://docs.joomla.org/Convert_a_MySQL_database_to_UTF-8
[12:51:45] <flyingparchment>	i don't think i'd want to do it that way
[12:52:21] <werdnum>	flyingparchment: I am hating on your government
[12:52:29] <werdnum>	So many goddamn hoops to jump through to get a visa
[12:52:55] <piksi>	flyingparchment: yeah, me neither. i don't see any reason why i should have to dump the whole database and create another one just to convert it..
[12:53:09] <Prom3th3an>	werdnum: tehn saty here :P
[12:53:14] <Prom3th3an>	blah
[12:53:20] <werdnum>	flyingparchment: the fuckers even charge $10 just to get on the damn phone to them
[12:53:43] <Prom3th3an>	heh
[12:53:47] <flyingparchment>	werdnum: the US consulate charges like 2.50/minute to talk to them
[12:54:06] <flyingparchment>	piksi: there is some information here: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/alter-table.html (search for 'CHARACTER SET')
[12:54:16] <piksi>	flyingparchment: thanks a lot
[12:54:32] <flyingparchment>	it's not clear if MODIFY ... CHARACTER SET will reencode the data or not though
[12:54:42] <flyingparchment>	(test it on a backup)
[12:56:12] <werdnum>	flyingparchment: yeah, it's either $2.80/min or $10.80 flat fee
[12:56:20] <werdnum>	What is this, a fucking phone sex line? :P
[12:58:57] <Prom3th3an>	lol
[13:04:39] <CIA-60>	03tstarling * r47799 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/gearman/ (. gearman.inc gearmanRefreshLinks.php gearmanWorker.php): Proof of concept parallel processing with Danga Gearman and PEAR Net_Gearman.
[13:04:52] <TimStarling>	check it
[13:06:07] <TimStarling>	I hadn't heard of gearman before 2 hours ago, now I have a refreshLinks script written for it
[13:07:50] <werdnum>	\o/
[13:09:34] *werdnum 	is figuring out the best way to send a few thousand dollars across to his Australian bank, so he can prove that he has it for the UK government
[13:09:51] <werdnum>	TimStarling: so what *is* gearman, other than a misspelling of german?
[13:11:52] <GerardM->	http://pear.php.net/package/Net_Gearman
[13:12:07] <werdnum>	A PHP interface to Danga's Gearman
[13:12:10] <werdnum>	helpful
[13:12:25] <GerardM->	http://www.danga.com/gearman/
[13:12:47] <werdnum>	nifty
[13:12:57] <GerardM->	:)
[13:12:57] <werdnum>	I wrote something like that once (with horrible buggy code, of course :) )
[13:13:03] <GerardM->	Google is my friend
[13:15:29] <GerardM->	fyi tonight we are going to test if extensions can be installed successfully with the naive installer.. We hope to learn in this way what percentage can be loaded in this way and not break the syste,
[13:38:31] <bladerunner1>	Anybody know if theres a waly to make the Talk namespace divide itself over multiple pages
[13:38:49] <bladerunner1>	Like for example limit itself to 10 results per page with page navigation
[13:38:58] <bladerunner1>	I guess I'm looking for an extension
[13:43:11] <arvenius>	hi folks
[13:43:41] <dittaeva>	sounds like a non-existant extension to me, perhaps, and when looking for it you should limit yourself to the talk namespace, since it is basically just like all the other namespaces
[13:43:43] <arvenius>	i misplaced the password for an admin account of a mediawiki installation
[13:43:59] <arvenius>	i have root access to the box so security is not a problem
[13:44:20] <arvenius>	but how can i reset the pw? looking at phpmyadmin it sais its a BLOB (which cannot be editet)
[13:51:24] <Duesentrieb>	arvenius: that's sillyness on phpmyadmin's part. but passwords are hashed anyway. ways to reset it should be in the faq.ö
[13:51:28] <Duesentrieb>	!password
[13:51:28] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Password_Reset
[13:51:31] <Duesentrieb>	ha!
[13:51:36] <Duesentrieb>	that's not what i mean though
[13:51:43] <Duesentrieb>	@search password.
[13:51:43] --mwbot--	Results: []
[13:51:48] <Duesentrieb>	o_O
[13:51:49] <Duesentrieb>	@search password
[13:51:49] --mwbot--	Results: [passwordreset, passwordsql, secrets]
[13:52:02] <Duesentrieb>	!passwordreset | arvenius
[13:52:02] --mwbot--	arvenius: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Password_Reset
[13:52:10] <Duesentrieb>	damn!
[13:52:24] *Duesentrieb 	goes to whaqck the bot a bit
[13:52:25] <bladerunner1>	Yeh I'm trying to make a custom alteration to the Talk: Namespace so its like yotuube comments
[13:52:29] <piksi>	so what exactly does the "backwards compatible utf-8"  in mediawiki setup mean compared to the "experimental utf-8" ?
[13:52:42] <Duesentrieb>	bladerunner1: look at the liquidthreads extension
[13:52:56] <bladerunner1>	Ive got Articlecomments installed
[13:53:02] <bladerunner1>	thanks, ill check it now!
[13:53:07] <Duesentrieb>	piksi: "compatible" means make the db treat it as binary. "expermimental" means use mysql
[13:53:16] <Duesentrieb>	...mysql's unicode support
[13:53:23] <Duesentrieb>	which is incomplete.
[13:53:30] <piksi>	Duesentrieb: ah ok, that explains a lot. thanks
[13:54:18] <bladerunner1>	ohhh man, thats an AWESOMe platform
[13:54:23] <bladerunner1>	way better so far
[13:55:16] <bladerunner1>	the good thing is that because its redoing the comments I should be able to create what i want by altering that extension directly rather than having to digg through the whole mediawiki
[13:55:26] <bladerunner1>	ok bbl thanks
[13:57:39] <GerardM->	Bladerunner1 you like LQT then .. goof
[13:57:41] <GerardM->	d
[13:58:09] <bladerunner1>	its infinately better, you can see why they are gunning to amke it part of mediawiki 2.0
[13:58:14] <Duesentrieb>	LQT needs extra database stuff, doesn't it?
[13:58:30] <Duesentrieb>	bladerunner1: ahaha, mediawiki 2.0 :)
[13:59:00] <bladerunner1>	I dont know as to whether it would add overhead from extra database stuff
[13:59:10] <bladerunner1>	i would assume not much because its only removing one thing and adding another
[13:59:34] <Duesentrieb>	the question is if it needs extra info in the db or not.
[13:59:38] <bladerunner1>	yes
[13:59:40] <Duesentrieb>	i.e. easy of install
[13:59:51] <bladerunner1>	it does, its harder than normal to install
[14:00:46] <juliano>	Lqt is hard to install because it doesn't use the correct hooks
[14:01:04] <juliano>	Usually, maintenance/update.php should be able to prepare any extension
[14:01:37] <arvenius>	Duesentrieb, mwbot: thx ill try that
[14:08:58] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Parser interpretes <bXY> as <b> if XY begins with non-ascii character - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17663 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (church.of.emacs.ml)
[14:15:29] <arvenius>	changePassword.php did its job well
[14:15:36] <arvenius>	thx for pointing me to the faq
[14:20:43] <CIA-60>	03rotem * r47800 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Localization update.
[14:42:45] <CIA-60>	03catrope * r47801 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiQueryLogEvents.php: Slight fix for r47781: remove useless if($index) conditional: $index is always set and non-false
[15:31:15] <Re|ent|ess>	Hi, I just installed the Exstention Widget andI get this error on the addthis widget, Warning: Smarty error: unable to read resource: "wiki:AddThis" in /usr/local/www/apache22/data/extensions/Widgets/smarty/Smarty.class.php on line 1095
[15:35:08] <UsamaAkkad>	hello, I'm on a page and I want to export it like from special pages export 
[15:35:18] <UsamaAkkad>	what to do?
[15:38:56] <Duesentrieb>	UsamaAkkad: just go to Special:Export and export that page?
[15:39:25] <Duesentrieb>	you can also directly write the url: .../Special:Export/YourPage
[15:44:35] <Re|ent|ess>	:/
[15:44:37] <Re|ent|ess>	Hi, I just installed the Exstention Widget andI get this error on the addthis widget, Warning: Smarty error: unable to read resource: "wiki:AddThis" in /usr/local/www/apache22/data/extensions/Widgets/smarty/Smarty.class.php on line 1095
[15:45:10] <Re|ent|ess>	What does this mean?
[15:45:33] <UsamaAkkad>	Duesentrieb, thank you it works
[15:52:36] <CIA-60>	03ashley * r47802 10/trunk/extensions/FindSpam/ (FindSpam.i18n.php FindSpam.php FindSpam_body.php): (log message trimmed)
[15:52:36] <CIA-60>	FindSpam:
[15:52:36] <CIA-60>	*doxygen comments
[15:52:37] <CIA-60>	*add version number into extension credits
[15:52:37] <CIA-60>	*delay message loading in body file
[15:52:38] <CIA-60>	*mark function visibility
[15:52:40] <CIA-60>	*remove unused $wgTitle global
[16:05:36] <CIA-60>	03yaron * r47803 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticResultFormats/Calendar/SRF_Calendar.php: Handling of 'template' and 'userparam' parameters added by David Loomer
[16:25:38] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Edit a section results in wrong examine description - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17664 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: AbuseFilter; ()
[16:32:59] <CIA-60>	03yaron * r47804 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/libs/SF_yui_autocompletion.js: Fixed handling for strings containing dollar signs
[16:34:00] <Nikerabbit>	visibility:hidden
[16:42:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Parser interpretes <bXY> as <b> if XY begins with non-ascii character - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17663   +need-parsertest +parser (10danny.b)
[16:46:52] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r47805 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/mediawiki-defines.txt: follow up r47768: Make message optional
[16:57:18] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r47806 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialCategories.php: Removed useless global definition
[16:59:24] <natbet>	is there a way to make mediawiki authenticate to an external user db?
[17:00:53] <ThomasV>	natbet: good question. I too am interested in the answer
[17:01:37] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Authentication
[17:02:24] <Splarka>	for some practical applications therein: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:User_identity_extensions
[17:02:38] <Splarka>	or if you need to write your own: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/AuthPlugin
[17:03:15] <ghee22>	is there a way to include/embed another page section into a page?
[17:03:43] <Splarka>	{{template name}} == {{Template:template name}}, but if you specify the namespace you can transclude any page
[17:04:02] <Splarka>	{{User:Yourname}} {{Help:Flibble}} etc, to transclude main namespace pages use a bare colon: {{:Main Page}}
[17:04:05] <Emachman>	eg {{User:Example}}
[17:04:41] <Splarka>	transcluding sections is more annoying, but doable: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Labeled_Section_Transclusion
[17:04:54] <ghee22>	splarka, thanks
[17:05:13] <Danny_B>	is there any equivalent of nstab-main nstab-project etc... for custom namespaces?
[17:06:37] <Nikerabbit>	nstab-canonicalname
[17:07:18] <Nikerabbit>	includes/Title.php-                     default:
[17:07:19] <Nikerabbit>	includes/Title.php:                             return 'nstab-' . $wgContLang->lc( $this->getSubjectNsText() )
[17:19:38] <Danny_B>	Nikerabbit: canonical == the one  defined in wgextranamespaces,right?
[17:19:55] <Nikerabbit>	yeah
[17:20:18] <Danny_B>	all lowercase or exact case as the ns name?
[17:20:33] <Nikerabbit>	lowercase, see the code past few lines above
[17:20:38] *Nikerabbit 	out and afk
[17:20:52] <Danny_B>	ah right, thx
[17:26:57] <kopf>	Anyone know how, using MWDumper, I can tell it to ignore all User-related pages, but import all other pages (articles and article talk pages, etc) ?
[17:28:57] <CIA-60>	03yaron * r47807 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/languages/SF_Messages.php: Removed 'sf_property_isrelation' and 'sf_property_isattribute' values - no longer needed
[17:35:14] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r47808 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (5 files): Added $wgUseTagFilter
[17:38:36] <CIA-60>	03jojo * r47809 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.php: set appropriate Content-Type in responses for XHR calls
[17:39:38] <brion>	whee
[17:40:54] <ialex>	hello brion
[17:41:09] <brion>	hah http://www.wikipediarevolution.com/The_Book.html
[17:41:51] <brion>	http://www.wikipediarevolution.com/Gallery.html#7 :D
[17:41:59] <GerardM->	Kelly Martin Right ?
[17:42:25] <ialex>	brion: :)
[17:43:31] <brion>	GerardM-: andrew lih's book
[17:43:56] <kopf>	any people here au fait with MWDumper?
[17:44:19] <brion>	kopf: what sort of trouble you having?
[17:44:33] <kopf>	well there's a switch for it, to exclude all user and talk pages
[17:44:34] <Splarka>	is the book printed in graphite?
[17:44:49] <kopf>	I'd like to exclude only User pages (And user talk pages), but include all article and article talk pages
[17:44:53] <kopf>	is this possible?
[17:44:58] <Splarka>	is every other page blank?
[17:45:25] *Splarka 	gets the book and starts editing
[17:45:29] <GerardM->	I know.. but she is on the front page ... rather funny
[17:46:26] <brion>	kopf: with the namespace filter option?
[17:46:45] <kopf>	Ahh.. I was confused as to what that was for.. 
[17:46:48] <brion>	:)
[17:47:19] <^demon>	Android is reminding me of high school.
[17:47:20] <kopf>	When I looked at it, it registered in my head as discriminating between namespaces such as "wikipedia" "wikitionary" etc.. which seemed odd at the time but I didn't think about it again :)
[17:47:24] <kopf>	cheers!
[17:50:44] <^demon>	brion: Did you ever get a 2nd look at that patch from yesterday after I tweaked it?
[17:52:16] <dv8_web>	hi there, i have just upgraded my mediawiki and get the following error in preferences : urlencode() expects parameter 1 to string object given in /mywebpath/includes/GlobalFuntions.php on line 1141
[17:52:43] <dv8_web>	i looked on the mediawiki site, and one other person has this error, but hasnt received a response, does anyone know how to fix this
[17:53:03] <brion>	^demon: not yet :)
[17:53:15] <^demon>	Alrighty, whenever you get time
[17:53:24] <brion>	dv8_web: you got any extensions or custom code in there?
[17:53:44] <dv8_web>	shouldnt, it was a clean upgrade from standard.. ill check again tho
[17:57:26] <dv8_web>	nope nothing there
[17:58:15] <dv8_web>	line 1141 says : urlencode ( $value ) ;
[17:59:03] <dv8_web>	under the function wfArrayToCGI
[18:01:16] <piksi>	if i want to edit the way wiki structure is rendered as html (such as the category links etc) how should it be done?
[18:01:52] <piksi>	the skins just call $this->html('catlinks'); etc..
[18:09:22] <piksi>	i.e. is it safe to modify skin.php in includes dir?
[18:10:46] <jamasi>	piksi, rather than doing this you should try to either write a proper extension or a custom skin class based on skin.php
[18:12:42] <^demon>	Editing anything in the /includes is generally a bad idea.
[18:13:29] <piksi>	jamasi: i've done that but the normal custom skinning doesn't really deal with modifying the actual html output of things such as catlinks, most skins just modify the superficial layout (restructuring the "big blocks") without caring how small stuff is output
[18:14:09] <^demon>	If you extend Skin instead of SkinTemplate or Monobook, you could implement the method yourself.
[18:14:10] <piksi>	so let's say i want to use my own getCategories() - can i just define it inside my own skin class?
[18:14:40] <piksi>	ah, my skin extends skintemplate
[18:14:50] <jamasi>	piksi, then you should use an extension with the fitting hooks.
[18:14:54] <jamasi>	and you could of cousrse rebuild that function in your own skin.
[18:15:33] <jamasi>	the skin system of mediawiki is quite versatile
[18:15:34] <^demon>	Well, SkinTemplate extends Skin which extends Linker, so I guess you could implement any method going up to Linker.
[18:16:20] <jamasi>	actually you can also get everything from the DB if you want to. or you can use the parser as well.
[18:16:38] <^demon>	Is Linker always called in the context of the skin?
[18:17:18] <Danny_B>	what would be the easiest/straightest way to allow anonymous users to see pages only in main ns?
[18:17:41] <^demon>	:-\
[18:20:07] <piksi>	^demon: thanks for explaining
[18:20:10] <Splarka>	!morbo | Danny_B
[18:20:10] --mwbot--	Danny_B: http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/330/morbomediawikiaf9.jpg
[18:21:05] <Danny_B>	Splarka: now i finally know how you look
[18:22:57] <jamasi>	Danny_B, you could use the lockdown extension
[18:23:33] <jamasi>	but it's not a complete solution
[18:24:07] *Splarka 	has more tentacles now than in that picture
[18:24:11] <jamasi>	a custom skin might be another option.
[18:28:27] <Danny_B>	custom skin won't prevent you from trying random stuff in url
[18:31:26] <Danny_B>	the only thing i see as possible, though nasty,is to set right [*][read]=false and fill wgwhitelistread with the result of select page_title from page where page_namespace = 0
[19:11:18] <RoanKattouw>	Danny_B: $wgNamespaceProtection?
[19:11:46] <RoanKattouw>	dv8_web: Are you sure the upgrade went OK? I'm getting the idea that some file somewhere didn't get upgraded properly
[19:11:59] <Splarka>	protection != read restriction
[19:12:27] <RoanKattouw>	Isn't it extensible to that level?
[19:12:28] <MarshallX>	hey guys
[19:12:31] <Danny_B>	RoanKattouw: as i understood the doc, it's protecting editing only
[19:12:35] <RoanKattouw>	Oh right, bad support for read restrictions and stuff
[19:12:42] <MarshallX>	can anyone tell me where this "Retrieved From: *site*" came from at the bottom of my wiki?
[19:12:45] <Danny_B>	if it would be extensible,i'd love to use it
[19:12:58] <MarshallX>	I was editing H sizes and it randomly showed up
[19:13:01] <MarshallX>	No idea where it came from.
[19:13:25] <Splarka>	MarshallX: it should appear on all pages, hidden except when printing
[19:13:35] <MarshallX>	can i hide again
[19:13:36] <Danny_B>	MarshallX: that's standard part of the page
[19:13:38] <MarshallX>	we have never seen it until now
[19:13:59] <Splarka>	you probabily invalidated your CSS somehow
[19:14:00] <Danny_B>	you apparently screwed up the css if it's not hidden anymore
[19:14:06] <Danny_B>	Splarka!
[19:14:06] <MarshallX>	Gotcha
[19:14:07] <MarshallX>	thanks
[19:14:09] <Splarka>	were you editing the skin files?
[19:14:37] <MarshallX>	the css file
[19:14:41] <MarshallX>	using gumaxdd
[19:14:43] <Splarka>	Danny_B: I'm about 5 seconds lagging due to file send
[19:14:52] <Splarka>	not my fault if you repeat me after I say it ^_^
[19:14:54] <MarshallX>	I was definitely editing H1-H6
[19:14:57] <Splarka>	!css
[19:14:57] --mwbot--	To change styles for your wiki, go to one of the MediaWiki:xxx.css wiki page (NOT a file) and put your custom styles there (sysop/admin rights required). MediaWiki:Common.css is for all skins and should be used for content styles. MediaWiki:Monobook.css is for the MonoBook skin (default), etc. For more information, see !skins and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skin_configuration>
[19:15:11] <Splarka>	restore all /skin css files to original, edit those pages on-wiki
[19:15:29] <Danny_B>	RoanKattouw: if you knew about any other solution than the one i described,i'd be glad to hear it,thx
[19:15:54] <Danny_B>	MarshallX: validate your css
[19:16:02] <Danny_B>	is your site public?
[19:16:28] <RoanKattouw>	Danny_B: Afraid I don't, I guess this is covered by the usual warnings against support for read restrictions
[19:17:09] <Danny_B>	mediawiki should support such kind of stuff in some future version
[19:17:38] <RoanKattouw>	sofixit ;)
[19:18:29] <Danny_B>	hehe,me? me, php lame? i'll win 10M USD earlier
[19:19:03] <MarshallX>	thanks got it
[19:19:14] <Danny_B>	good for ya
[19:19:48] <MarshallX>	so now that that is fixed
[19:19:56] <MarshallX>	what page do i use in media wiki to change the heading sizes
[19:20:03] <MarshallX>	==heading== ===heading=== etc
[19:20:11] <RoanKattouw>	MediaWiki:Monobook.css
[19:20:20] <MarshallX>	I'm not using monobook
[19:20:22] <RoanKattouw>	(which'll only change it for the monobook skin though)
[19:20:29] <MarshallX>	let me try gumaxdd.css
[19:20:29] <Danny_B>	mediawiki:<skinname>.css
[19:20:33] <MarshallX>	-x
[19:20:36] <RoanKattouw>	Then use either MediaWiki:skinname.css or MediaWiki:common.css (all skins)
[19:20:45] <Danny_B>	or mediawiki:common.css (will applyto all skins)
[19:20:51] <Danny_B>	omg
[19:20:57] <RoanKattouw>	lol
[19:21:14] <Danny_B>	i have to start to learn 10finger typing finally ;-)
[19:21:17] <Splarka>	<Splarka> !css
[19:21:21] <Splarka>	you both suck ^_^
[19:23:05] <kopf>	brion: you still there by any chance?
[19:23:23] <kopf>	or anyone who can answer a question on passing --filter=namespace: flags to mwdumper
[19:23:31] <Danny_B>	where is my trout?
[19:23:41] <kopf>	ach
[19:23:55] <Emachman>	Danny_B: I borrowed it for the night
[19:23:57] <Emachman>	Sorry
[19:24:25] <brion>	kopf: oy
[19:25:02] <kopf>	Hi.. So I'm trying to exclude Portal, User and File, using: --filter=namespace:!Portal,!User,!File
[19:25:08] <Aaron|away>	http://wtso.net/movie/139-The%20Simpsons%201712%20My%20Fair%20Laddy.html
[19:25:15] <Aaron|away>	brion: geez...bombardment!
[19:25:21] <kopf>	but of course bash doesn't like those exclamation marks. can i put it within quotes?
[19:25:34] <brion>	kopf: try \!
[19:25:42] <brion>	and.... maybe \!Portal,User,File ?
[19:25:48] <RoanKattouw>	kopf: Yes, but put the quotes like this: "--filter=foo!bar"
[19:26:39] <kopf>	i did --filter=namespace:\!Portal,\!User,\!File
[19:26:45] <kopf>	and it's working.. but should I do it another way?
[19:26:48] <RoanKattouw>	Ought to work too
[19:26:51] <kopf>	grand
[19:26:53] <kopf>	cheers!
[19:31:45] <kopf>	By the way, just an observation, but mwimport.pl was much slower than mwdumper for me, which is quite odd. Averaging at about 56 revisions per second compared to mwdumper which is now on 120
[19:33:15] <MinuteElectron>	mwdumper is reccomended
[19:33:59] <kopf>	mmm
[19:44:10] <kopf>	I'd put a notice up on the mwimport page on mediawiki to that effect, since I would've expected perl to be quicker, but i don't have a mediawiki acct
[20:01:41] <Duesentrieb>	kopf: java is quite fast once it's loaded. though i kind of doubt that the actual execution speed of the language is the limiting factor.
[20:02:19] <RoanKattouw>	Emphasis on _when it's loaded_ (takes its sweet time on my box for stuff like Eclipse)
[20:17:17] <rsimpkins>	Is there any way to add text after a heading? ===heading=== - Some additional text.
[20:19:32] <Betacommand>	rsimpkins: for what reason?
[20:21:10] <rsimpkins>	Betacommand: Well, so it matches the rest of our internal documentation.
[20:21:29] <rsimpkins>	Betacommand: We have SECTION HEADING - brief note
[20:21:56] <rsimpkins>	I can put it on the next line, I was just wondering if there was a way to keep it on the same line. If not, no worries.
[20:21:59] <Betacommand>	why not just include the note as the first line after the heading
[20:22:13] <Betacommand>	rsimpkins: not without making it a heading
[20:22:17] <rsimpkins>	I can, I was just trying to match the hundreds of docs we already have written that do not do that.
[20:22:34] <rsimpkins>	Knowing it isn't possible is good enough.
[20:22:40] <rsimpkins>	Thank you for the help.
[20:25:12] <Splarka>	you can use html headings <h1>foobar</h1>
[20:25:38] <Splarka>	then you can do tricks like display:inline or <small> inside
[20:25:46] <Splarka>	but then they aren't editable sections
[20:26:15] <Nikerabbit>	aren't they?
[20:26:26] <RoanKattouw>	They appear in the TOC at least
[20:26:41] <RoanKattouw>	But I don't know offhand whether the parser will generate [edit] links for them
[20:27:44] <Splarka>	Nikerabbit: depends on version -> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Migration_to_the_new_preprocessor
[20:27:58] <Splarka>	> Headers created with <h1><h2><h3>... etc no longer create an editable section. They also do not create a section divide when editing sections. They do however add a level to the TOC as well as an anchor for linking. This allows you to add uneditable sections to a template, and still have editable sections on the page, which isn't possible with __NOEDITSECTION__.
[20:28:38] <Nikerabbit>	tea for Splarka 
[20:28:43] <rsimpkins>	Splarka++
[20:28:45] <Splarka>	I cheated, I wrote that section
[20:29:26] <Splarka>	the behavior of <h#> headings has changed a few times
[20:29:54] <Splarka>	in 1.4 it used to work like in the newPP, but somewhere between 1.5 and 1.11 they became the same as == == style
[20:31:28] <Splarka>	hmm, actually...
[20:31:36] <Splarka>	<h2><small style="float:right;">baz</small> foobar</h2>
[20:31:36] <Splarka>	==<small style="float:right;">baz</small> foobar==
[20:31:45] <Splarka>	both work the same, although the TOC is quite ugly
[20:32:05] <Splarka>	(the floaty bit has to be to the left of the text to be above the baseline)
[20:33:26] <Splarka>	rsimpkins: what is the html of your "We have SECTION HEADING - brief note" in your internal documentation?
[20:33:33] <Splarka>	or is it plain text...
[20:33:41] <rsimpkins>	Splarka: It is a word doc.
[20:33:44] *rsimpkins 	slaps head.
[20:33:54] <rsimpkins>	Hundreds of word docs.
[20:33:56] <Splarka>	heh
[20:33:57] <rsimpkins>	Do you feel my pain?
[20:34:06] <Splarka>	buy me dinner first
[20:34:30] <Splarka>	anyway, maybe <h> headings aren't your desire, though the TOC and editable sections make it quite desirable 
[20:34:56] <Splarka>	(<h> and/or == that is)
[20:34:58] <Duesentrieb>	rsimpkins: there's a word macro for converting to wikitext...
[20:35:01] <rsimpkins>	I'm not sure what we are doing yet. We've got a bunch of departments, and everyone has done their own thing for years. We've got phpwiki, twiki, mediawiki, word docs, text, etc.
[20:35:19] <rsimpkins>	All technical documentation.
[20:35:44] <Duesentrieb>	rsimpkins:  http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Word_macros
[20:38:46] <Splarka>	hmm, InternalParseBeforeLinks is just before doHeadings()...
[20:40:04] <Splarka>	you might could simply regexly change all == heading - note == to == heading <small>- note</small> automatically
[20:47:20] <gavagai>	i uploaded the WRONG file to our mediawiki.  i am not a sysop.  how can i delete the file I uploaded?
[20:48:03] <^demon>	Ask a sysop
[20:48:21] <gavagai>	i did that but he rarely logs in.  is that the only way?
[20:48:40] <^demon>	Or upload a new version (and just replace it with something different). The old version will still be in the history tho.
[20:48:51] <gavagai>	yeah i am trying to get it out of the history
[20:49:01] <^demon>	Can't do that.
[20:49:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Accesskeys conflict with browser keyboard shortcuts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477  +comment (10michael)
[20:49:06] <gavagai>	thanks
[20:49:18] <^demon>	No problem.
[20:57:56] <Hubble3000>	Is it possible to have better search results without lucene/opening the api?
[20:58:26] <RoanKattouw>	Define better :P
[20:59:04] <Hubble3000>	hehe. what i really don't understand: Search (not Go) for an existing category name. It will always be result number 2
[21:00:39] <Hubble3000>	*on wikis w/o lucene
[21:13:13] <Skizzerz>	brion: would you be opposed to adding in a config variable/hook that allows @ in usernames and a modification to the userrights code to check if a user with '@' in their name exists locally before trying a different db?
[21:18:43] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special:WantedPages shouldn't list dead Redirect Pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17665 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (old_school_junkie)
[21:26:09] <brion>	Skizzerz: ewwwww
[21:26:30] <Skizzerz>	I know, but quite a few wikis want to use email addresses for usernames...
[21:27:01] <brion>	ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww :)
[21:27:03] <brion>	there is utility to that though
[21:27:09] <brion>	but... lots of folks also hate exposing emails that way
[21:27:21] <RoanKattouw>	@ is disallowed in usernames, so you'd only be talking about legacy usernames there
[21:27:33] <Skizzerz>	RoanKattouw: I'm saying make it a config variable
[21:27:40] <Skizzerz>	instead of a hardcoded check
[21:27:46] <^demon>	:-\
[21:27:49] <Skizzerz>	of course, userrights is still a giant issue
[21:27:59] *^demon 	echo's Brion's "eww..."
[21:29:34] <Splarka>	the silly part was using @ as a user/db delimiter
[21:30:06] <Splarka>	shoulda been some other reserved character, like []{}|<>#
[21:30:57] <^demon>	Splarka: What use case were you thinking of?
[21:31:00] <Splarka>	{{IMHO|addendum=whatever}}
[21:31:07] <Splarka>	for interwiki rights
[21:32:00] <^demon>	Come again?
[21:32:38] <brion>	let's use unicode characters for delimiters
[21:32:40] <brion>	like the snowman
[21:32:46] <^demon>	Hehe.
[21:32:47] <Skizzerz>	what a great idea :D
[21:33:45] <Splarka>	sigh
[21:33:52] *Splarka 	uses small words for ^demon
[21:34:04] <Splarka>	you know why the @ was made bad in user names?
[21:34:06] <kaje>	I've enabled uploads on my wiki and set $wgCheckFileExtensions to false, but when a user tries to upload a .tgz file, it is giving an error that the file is corrupt. What's going on?
[21:34:14] <Splarka>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=16658
[21:34:16] *Danny_B 	wonders ho long is so called brion's second ;-)
[21:34:21] <OverlordQ>	the snowman?
[21:34:36] <Splarka>	* (bug 6849) Block @ from usernames; interferes with multi-database tools and was meant to be banned years ago... For now existing accounts will not be prevented fromm login.
[21:34:46] <^demon>	Right, because it was being used for @enwiki, etc.
[21:34:51] <Splarka>	<Splarka> the silly part was using @ as a user/db delimiter
[21:35:06] <Splarka>	it wouldn't have had to have been blacklisted otherwise, if some other format had been chosen ^_^
[21:35:08] *RoanKattouw 	finds Splarka has to repeat himself a lot these days
[21:35:16] <^demon>	But why bother changing it now? Why is having @ important?
[21:35:25] <Splarka>	because people want it
[21:35:28] <Splarka>	hmm
[21:35:31] <Skizzerz>	because people want it/are used to it
[21:35:46] <Skizzerz>	plus it makes more sense than > or | or one of the other characters
[21:35:54] <Skizzerz>	someuser <at> some database
[21:36:09] <^demon>	I suppose I don't see @ as being that important to a username :)
[21:36:27] <Skizzerz>	<Skizzerz> I know, but quite a few wikis want to use email addresses for usernames...
[21:36:43] <Skizzerz>	@ is kinda important for email addresses ;)
[21:36:53] <^demon>	Blah :p
[21:37:33] <Skizzerz>	of course, there is no good way to modify the userrights code to allow for @ to check for local and global (like, what if both users exist, which one should we modify?)
[21:37:37] <kaje>	Nevermind, I just found my solution... I had to set $wgVerifyMimeType = false;
[21:37:51] <Splarka>	brion: with shared user and global hooliganism/userrights, are interwiki rights even needed anymore?
[21:37:56] <Danny_B>	^demon: i've got perfect existing usecase where @ is amust
[21:38:21] <Splarka>	(on WMF that is, not just mediawiki)
[21:39:27] <^demon>	Danny_B: If there's a good case for it. :)
[21:39:37] <Danny_B>	one of our internet providers who runs several services (social portal, email etc...) started up wiki. and they use the user's email address as login to that wiki because they use central database. it's like google uses email addresses.microsoft does etc.
[21:39:50] <^demon>	Fair enough :)
[21:40:01] <Danny_B>	thanks.
[21:40:50] <Danny_B>	http://wiki.mapy.cz/index.php/Speci%C3%A1ln%C3%AD:Recentchanges
[21:41:00] <Danny_B>	(listusers is disabled)
[21:41:47] <Skizzerz>	ah
[21:42:19] <Skizzerz>	brion: ok, so how about this: 2 new config variables; one to control a list of blacklisted characters at registration time and another to determine the delimiter used for interwiki userrights
[21:42:38] <Skizzerz>	the defaults would be kept as they are now
[21:43:01] <brion>	Skizzerz: that's prolly fine
[21:43:06] <Splarka>	Skizzerz: would allowances be made for using invalid page-title characters for the delimiter?
[21:43:06] <^demon>	(anyone) If you've got a file handle, is there a way to do fread() with a callback as the data's being read? I know you can with curl.
[21:43:23] <Skizzerz>	Splarka: you can use anything you want for the delimiter...
[21:43:28] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Log entries on the Watchlist should have css classes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17666 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Watchlist; (janhelgewolf)
[21:43:29] <Splarka>	but right now you must use a valid page title for the username, an I imagine so even in interwiki rights, since it adds a link object to the log
[21:43:34] <Danny_B>	idk if it hasn't been said already (i came in the middle and did not read log) but why the delimiter in meta log can't be danny_b.|cswiki instad of current danny_b.@cswiki ?
[21:43:34] <Skizzerz>	ah
[21:43:36] <Splarka>	[[foobar@enwiki]]
[21:43:43] <Splarka>	or something
[21:43:52] <Skizzerz>	I'll have to test that
[21:43:52] <Splarka>	so you'd have to make sure it worked with foobar|enwiki
[21:44:09] <Splarka>	or find something that is a valid page character and not a valid username characer, like slash
[21:44:21] <Splarka>	foobar/enwiki for example
[21:44:32] <Skizzerz>	I'll test it ^_^
[21:44:36] <RoanKattouw>	Splarka: How about just sticking to @ because it's intuitive? :P
[21:44:37] <Danny_B>	i was actually asking because i'm not so familiar with where everywhere it's  used
[21:44:46] <Splarka>	Roan: whiners whine...
[21:44:54] <RoanKattouw>	lol
[21:45:18] <Splarka>	better to deprecate the @ hack anyway, heh
[21:45:51] <svip>	:o Man caterpillars are awesome.
[21:45:58] <svip>	Oh wait, wrong channel.
[21:46:11] <werdnum>	THere's a right channel for that? :)
[21:46:20] <RoanKattouw>	Private chat? :P
[21:46:21] <Danny_B>	lol
[21:46:27] <svip>	>:| This is the Internet, there is a right channel for *anything*.
[21:47:18] <Splarka>	I can think of a few...  #lepidopterology maybe, or #earth_movers ... or even #ASP
[21:47:41] <Splarka>	or #hotbutterflyaction ...
[21:48:34] <Danny_B>	#splarkas-unlimited-blahblahing?
[21:48:56] <svip>	There is also a Splarka fan channel, Danny_B.
[21:49:11] <svip>	#splarka4ever
[21:49:15] <Danny_B>	i was prettysure about that ;-)
[21:50:45] <Splarka>	lieeees
[21:52:05] <Danny_B>	does one have to part #mediawiki to join #splarka4ever as an invitation key?
[21:52:28] <Splarka>	no, but I have to reconnect every 6 hours
[21:52:58] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r47810 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/AbuseFilter.i18n.php: 
[21:52:58] <CIA-60>	* Remove full stops from 2 messages
[21:52:58] <CIA-60>	* Add colon to 1 message
[21:52:58] <CIA-60>	for consistency with similar messages
[21:53:01] <Splarka>	"Why?" "dialup" "why not get better internet?" "only available is satellite and it is slower" "what no it isn't" "yes it is, ping times are ~700ms"
[21:53:07] *Splarka 	heads that off at the pass
[21:53:46] <Splarka>	but you'd know that if you read the #splarka4ever FAQ
[21:54:28] <CIA-60>	03demon * r47812 10/trunk/phase3/includes/parser/Parser.php: More unused globals.
[21:59:34] <mdale>	what is the time-line for moving over to git... ;) .. ( after committing megs of unchanged language msg updates  for the upload branch I am left thinking ... "there must be a better way"  ) 
[22:00:06] <RoanKattouw>	mdale: Ask Brion. The answer I expect is "there isn't one"
[22:01:54] <^demon>	mdale: The new mobile code is in git :)
[22:02:02] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r47813 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/languages/MV_Messages.php: 
[22:02:02] <CIA-60>	Maintenance update for recently added messages.
[22:02:02] <CIA-60>	* disabled duplicates
[22:02:02] <CIA-60>	* fixed a few XHTML issues (<br> -> <br />
[22:02:03] <CIA-60>	* marked a few messages as ignored because obviously not final
[22:02:04] <CIA-60>	* replaced " with ' where possible
[22:02:06] <CIA-60>	* fixed typos, made capitalisation consistent with rest of MediaWiki
[22:03:15] <mdale>	^demon: cool so wikimedia is already running a git server.. good to know 
[22:03:39] <^demon>	No, it's on github.
[22:03:55] *siebrand 	hates git. Completely incomprehensible.
[22:04:55] <siebrand>	ouch. I accidentally clicked Michael's 29mb branch update mail... Now Outlook will be busy for minutes opening that...
[22:05:38] <^demon>	siebrand: I already skip you when you commit phase3/languages or extensions/
[22:05:53] <siebrand>	yeah, I can imagine.
[22:05:54] <RoanKattouw>	siebrand: You don't think that's a slightly hypocritical comment? ;)
[22:06:02] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah I skip those too
[22:06:09] <^demon>	mdale: http://github.com/hcatlin/wikimedia-mobile/tree/master
[22:06:10] <flyingparchment>	someone needs a proper mail client.. ;)
[22:06:20] *siebrand 	bops flyingparchment on the head.
[22:06:23] <RoanKattouw>	In my defense, I don't use Outlook
[22:06:30] <RoanKattouw>	Thunderbird hangs on them too
[22:06:39] <flyingparchment>	siebrand: http://www.mutt.org/
[22:07:04] <siebrand>	why not just cut off commit mails at 150k and refer to CodeReview?
[22:07:09] <RoanKattouw>	hehe, typical dev :P
[22:07:26] *siebrand 	loves elm better.
[22:07:29] <RoanKattouw>	CR itself also has such a limit, thank God
[22:07:53] <^demon>	RoanKattouw: Didn't at first :p
[22:08:21] <RoanKattouw>	^demon: Well one quickly learns to skip those ;)
[22:08:31] <siebrand>	brion: a Dutch saying goes "if you dig a trap for another person, you may enter in it yourself". So I an currently trying to open one of those extremely huge commit mails...
[22:08:52] <brion-meeting>	:D
[22:09:05] <siebrand>	brion: can we cut off commit mails at say 150k and refer to mw.org's special:codereview on all of them?
[22:09:13] <brion-meeting>	siebrand: oh, when i get out of this remind me, evan prodroumou is interested in getting laconica on board w/ translatewiki
[22:09:33] <siebrand>	laconica? Never heard of. Checking that out.
[22:09:48] <RoanKattouw>	brion-meeting: Can we put CR links in commit mails period?
[22:09:51] <kaje>	I have disabled file extension checks for uploads, but my wiki is still blocking *.pl files. How can I allow those files to be uploaded?
[22:09:53] <siebrand>	blah, more twitter shit.
[22:10:08] <siebrand>	!file
[22:10:08] --mwbot--	http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?id=`e1&action=diff
[22:10:15] <RoanKattouw>	lol
[22:10:17] <siebrand>	!file extensions
[22:10:17] --mwbot--	http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?id=extensions&action=diff
[22:10:22] <siebrand>	ugh?
[22:10:27] <flyingparchment>	!file
[22:10:27] --mwbot--	http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?id=`e1&action=diff
[22:10:32] <flyingparchment>	is it meant to do that?
[22:10:33] <siebrand>	interesting.
[22:10:34] <RoanKattouw>	siebrand: It's a parameterized message
[22:10:35] <Splarka>	sigh
[22:10:37] <RoanKattouw>	Yes
[22:10:45] <Splarka>	kaje: $wgFileBlacklist
[22:10:52] <RoanKattouw>	Like !e , !b and !r
[22:10:55] <siebrand>	!apropos file
[22:10:55] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "apropos".
[22:11:01] <RoanKattouw>	@search file
[22:11:01] --mwbot--	Results: [adminsettings, bom, config, css, download, errors, extranamespace, file, filesize, filetype, fileurl, install, logo, passthru, phpinfo, rewriteproblems, upload, uploads, version, wptemplates]
[22:11:06] <Splarka>	#mwbot
[22:11:12] <siebrand>	!filetypo
[22:11:12] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "filetypo".
[22:11:14] <siebrand>	!filetype
[22:11:14] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgFileExtensions
[22:11:22] <Splarka>	kaje: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgFileBlacklist
[22:11:26] <Splarka>	you must remove it from there
[22:12:25] <Splarka>	siebrand: please experiment in #mwbot
[22:12:39] <siebrand>	brion-meeting: they have already set up L10n at http://laconi.ca/trac/wiki/Translations
[22:12:42] <kaje>	Thanks Splarka
[22:18:18] <Marybelle>	^demon: Have your ChangePassword changes been reviewed / made live yet?
[22:18:59] <CIA-60>	03demon * r47814 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/ImagePage.php): 
[22:18:59] <CIA-60>	Follow up to r46613 (Allow local redirects to foreign images):
[22:18:59] <CIA-60>	* This doesn't work like it should. We seem to be returning metadata about the target (ie: it does in fact exist), but at some point it all goes null. Making a note in ImagePage
[22:18:59] <CIA-60>	* Reverting RELEASE-NOTES until this is right.
[22:19:16] <Marybelle>	I think re-focusing the scope of https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13177 may be in order, assuming you haven't been reverted.
[22:19:18] <^demon>	Marybelle: Nope
[22:19:29] <^demon>	It's still "new"
[22:19:56] <Marybelle>	K. Can you comment on that bug pointing to the appropriate revs? (Or I can, if you prefer.)
[22:21:02] <^demon>	Marybelle: I'll do it.
[22:21:09] <Marybelle>	Thanks. :-)
[22:23:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable Password Reset extension on Wikimedia private wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13177  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[22:24:32] *Marybelle 	needs to poke Brion about https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13163
[22:26:59] <Marybelle>	Would a direct download link on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki be out of line?
[22:27:11] <Marybelle>	That is, turning the big button into a direct download link.
[22:27:18] <Marybelle>	And then putting a note below it for older versions.
[22:29:20] *Marybelle 	implements.
[22:30:47] <ITrace>	I can use MediaWiki for a commercial project right? It will be used internally by employees, and only for reference materials.
[22:31:21] <werdnum>	Of course
[22:31:53] <Splarka>	you can put it on the web and sell adspace
[22:32:01] <Prodego>	you can do anything you want with it
[22:32:13] <Splarka>	almost anything
[22:32:14] <Prodego>	only rules are on redistribution
[22:32:15] <werdnum>	So long as you release the sauce for free.
[22:32:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) linking to anchors in Special Pages, when not English - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17629  +comment (10bugzilla.wikimedia)
[22:33:17] <Splarka>	you can modify it and use it on your server without distributing sauce (as long as the skins/javascript isn't based on modified versions, or altered without attribution)
[22:33:34] <ITrace>	Does anybody have an example of some nice template designs for the MediaWiki?
[22:34:03] <CIA-60>	03dale * r47815 10/trunk/extensions/OggHandler/OggHandler.php: 
[22:34:03] <CIA-60>	added in default support for .ogv and .oga media extension per:
[22:34:03] <CIA-60>	http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/MIME_Types_and_File_Extensions
[22:35:53] <Hubble3000>	which part in SpecialSearch.php makes the term bold? convertForSearchResult( $matches->termMatches() ? how can i make not bold but in a different color?
[22:37:00] <Hubble3000>	got it. no worries
[22:42:16] <Danny_B>	bugzilla.wikimedia - oh what a descriptive username
[22:42:39] <flyingparchment>	bugzilla doesn't have usernames, it's just the first part of his email address
[22:42:46] <Danny_B>	i know
[22:43:30] <Splarka>	but does it need to be so in wikibugs? can't the regex replace it? or is the username not available in the email?
[22:43:59] <Marybelle>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki?action=purge Download link is now direct. /me waits for complaints.
[22:44:10] <flyingparchment>	Splarka: what would the regex replace it with?
[22:45:07] <Marybelle>	I think the download link is now sufficiently unavoidable.
[22:45:24] <Marybelle>	It's irksome to go to a website and not be able to find the download link easily.
[22:46:19] <Splarka>	flyingparchment: here's a mad idea.. how about the nickname?
[22:46:34] <flyingparchment>	Splarka: nickname?  you mean the real name?
[22:46:40] <MrZ-man|busy>	Marybelle: I don't like it :P
[22:46:47] <Marybelle>	Good.
[22:47:06] <Marybelle>	flyingparchment: Yes, that would be more helpful than first part of e-mail address.
[22:47:48] <Splarka>	flyingparchment: if people choose to use their real name, sure, but a lot treat it as the nickname
[22:47:53] <Splarka>	"Your real name (optional, but encouraged)"
[22:48:38] <Splarka>	which would make a wee bit more sense than the first part of the email address
[22:49:11] <Splarka>	(where available, some restrictions apply, this offer is not valid in combination with any other offers, void where prohibited)
[22:50:49] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r47816 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (135 files): Localisation updates for core messages from translatewiki.net (2009-02-25 22:32 UTC)
[22:58:55] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r47817 10/trunk/extensions/ (94 files in 80 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from translatewiki.net (2009-02-25 22:32 UTC)
[22:59:32] <Danwe>	hi
[23:01:23] <Danwe>	is it possible to define a namespace, for example "item:" whose links don't have the namespaces name as prefix? So when you define the link [[item:apple]] the link text would be "apple" and not "item:apple" ?
[23:02:21] <Danwe>	it would be nearly the same than the article namespace
[23:03:45] <Splarka>	that "begs the question" (heh), why even have them in a separate namespace? to categorize them?
[23:04:32] <Danwe>	because there will be a lot of items and i dont want them inside the article namespace.
[23:05:07] <Danwe>	but it would look more pretty when I have lists of items without thousands of leading "item" prefixes
[23:05:26] <Marybelle>	Then how would the software distinguish between [[item:apple]] and [[apple]]?
[23:05:38] <Marybelle>	(Just use a template. {{item|apple}})
[23:05:41] <^demon>	Marybelle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?user=^demon&limit=2
[23:05:50] <Splarka>	you could manually hide it each time.. [[item:apple|apple]], you could template-hide it.. {{item|apple}} -> [[item:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]]
[23:06:07] <Danwe>	you should define it with [[item:apple]], the only difference is how it is displayed
[23:06:14] *Marybelle 	laughs at ^demon.
[23:06:32] <Splarka>	you could probably even set up an extension hooking into Title.php to create implicit but non-existent redirects from mainspace for any pages that exist in item: namespace
[23:06:32] <Marybelle>	←Created page with 'Category:Whoo Category:Sexy Category:Yummy'
[23:06:44] <^demon>	Dummy content.
[23:06:50] <Marybelle>	No shit. :P
[23:07:19] <Splarka>	so if [[item:apple]] existed it could be linked to via [[apple]], maybe
[23:07:27] <Marybelle>	That seems dangerous.
[23:07:43] <Splarka>	you sound dangerous
[23:07:53] <^demon>	Marybelle: /me waits for a lynch mob to insist that I can't be trusted as a sysop
[23:07:57] <werdnum>	Splarka: spend less time around Marybelle plz
[23:08:16] <Marybelle>	werdnum: I stole that from him. 
[23:08:27] <Marybelle>	Less "plz" please.
[23:08:30] <Splarka>	you could make an extension hooking InternalParseBeforeLinks and regexly replace \[\[item:[^\n]]*\]\] with [[item:$1|$1]]
[23:09:12] <Splarka>	er
[23:09:23] <Danwe>	hm ok there is no official solution for that?
[23:09:26] <Splarka>	^\n|\]] even, I guess, or whatever php regex would need
[23:09:45] <Splarka>	it isn't a very common request
[23:10:28] <werdnum>	23:08 < Splarka> you could make an extension hooking InternalParseBeforeLinks and regexly replace \[\[item:[^\n]]*\]\] with [[item:$1|$1]]
[23:10:31] *werdnum 	stabs Splarka 
[23:10:45] *Splarka 	sticks tongue out at werdnum
[23:10:46] <Marybelle>	More quoting.
[23:11:05] <Splarka>	stab him not me! if he asks for help shooting himself in the foot, I want to make sure he's pointing the gun at his foot, and not us
[23:11:29] <Danwe>	ok thanks, perhaps I will create an extension which allows to define namespaces which should behave like that
[23:12:04] <Splarka>	Danwe: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks#Page_Rendering 
[23:12:21] <^demon>	Can you not make Item: a namespace alias for main?
[23:13:00] <Marybelle>	Huh.
[23:13:34] <Splarka>	^demon: then they'd just be mainspace articles
[23:14:02] <^demon>	He said he wants Item:Apple to be pretty much identical to Apple. Auto-redirecting, auto-resolving of links. Why not just make Item: an alias?
[23:14:06] <Marybelle>	The template is the easiest approach.
[23:14:11] <Splarka>	and they'd appear to start with item: and the link would contain item:, but not actually be in that namespace, sort of the opposite of his desire
[23:17:18] <^demon>	Hmm.
[23:17:47] <Splarka>	^demon: <Danwe> because there will be a lot of items and i dont want them inside the article namespace.
[23:17:58] <Splarka>	an alias would put them in article namespace
[23:18:02] <Splarka>	* RoanKattouw finds Splarka has to repeat himself a lot these days
[23:45:25] <kaje>	I'm trying to add an interwiki prefix to my wiki. I added a row in the interwiki table and it looks like all the other rows in there, except the url is https instead of http. When I try to use the prefix on the page, the only thing that shows up is a new section on the left that says "in other languages" and then it has some strange characters
[23:45:36] <kaje>	Any suggestions?
[23:46:02] <Splarka>	did you happen to choose a prefix that matches an existing language code?
[23:46:27] <Splarka>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/languages/Names.php?view=co&content-type=text%2Fplain
[23:46:47] <Splarka>	those codes are pre-defined resreved codes for interlang links, you shouldn't use them for interwiki prefixes
[23:46:55] <kaje>	damn, yes... I chose bug
[23:46:59] <Splarka>	heh
[23:46:59] <kaje>	thank you!
[23:47:05] <Splarka>	wikimedia uses bugzilla:
[23:47:14] <kaje>	and that's what I'll use then =)
[23:47:18] <kaje>	thanks very much
[23:47:20] <Splarka>	rar
[23:48:49] <juliano>	That "feature" is annoying, the list is not stable. It happened to me twice, first with "bug" (link to bugtracker), then with "ext" (links to external fileserver)
[23:49:32] <juliano>	That is, happened when I upgraded MW, breaking hundreds of existing pages at once
[23:52:01] <Splarka>	yah, it'd be nice if the interwiki table had a seprate flag for 'language' versus 'inline'
[23:53:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CentralNotice is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17622  (10tfinc)