[00:01:00] <HardDisk_WP>	mwbot, 
[00:02:35] <HardDisk_WP>	!redirect test
[00:02:35] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "redirect".
[00:03:08] <HardDisk_WP>	!time
[00:03:08] --mwbot--	For help with configuring timezones in MediaWiki, please consult <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Timezone>.
[00:03:09] <unilinky>	Berlin: 01:03 | Los Angeles: 16:03
[00:03:31] <Splarka>	right, that's the one, heh
[00:03:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Accesskeys conflict with browser keyboard shortcuts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[00:05:28] <HardDisk_WP>	Splarka, LOL: wikibugs reports some other conflict just after I triggered mwbot / unilinky conflcit
[00:05:50] <HardDisk_WP>	!time
[00:05:50] --mwbot--	For help with configuring timezones in MediaWiki, please consult <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Timezone>.
[00:05:55] <Splarka>	maybe the bots need a bugzilla component
[00:05:56] <HardDisk_WP>	Splarka, disabled now
[00:06:08] <Splarka>	k
[00:06:09] <p858snake>	not really a conflict, just both responding to a common command
[00:06:14] *Splarka 	gives unilinky a cookie
[00:06:32] <HardDisk_WP>	Too bad I didnt implement a "say" command.
[00:06:42] <Splarka>	I like big bots, and I cannot lie, you other botters can't deny...
[00:06:45] <HardDisk_WP>	I coulda have it say "*nom*, *nom*" now :D
[00:10:03] <Splarka>	hmm
[00:12:52] <brion>	siebrand: yes they have translations, but they're not entirely happy with pootle :)
[00:13:10] <brion>	also interested in getting on board with future stuff like translation memory sharing common translations between projects
[00:13:19] <brion>	and just getting the translatewiki community available to help w/ translations :D
[00:14:33] <brion>	Marybelle: maybe instead of "For other download information (including older releases), see [[Download]]" say "[[Download|Download other releases]]" ?
[00:14:41] <Splarka>	they envy your trannies?
[00:14:48] <brion>	also it's kind of lame to list out 3 versions without links and follow with a single download link :)
[00:15:00] <brion>	i'd recommend making the version numbers links?
[00:16:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Activate SubPageList3 extension on English Wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13163  +comment (10brion)
[00:17:34] <chuck>	Splarka: heh, I like it
[00:19:11] <AaronSchulz>	brion: http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ARatingHistory&target=Main_Page&period=93
[00:19:18] <AaronSchulz>	what's with those errors?
[00:20:44] <brion>	whee :D
[00:21:00] <brion>	errors?
[00:39:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) move nds to nds-de, newly create nds locale - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17592  (10bugzilla.wikimedia)
[00:47:17] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Help page missing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17211  +comment (10bugzilla.wikimedia)
[00:47:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Accesskeys conflict with browser keyboard shortcuts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477  (10Siegel)
[00:49:41] <Marybelle>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki?action=purge
[00:49:44] <Marybelle>	Updated the download link.
[00:49:51] <Marybelle>	For the version numbers, where should they link to?
[00:50:19] <Marybelle>	Release notes? Direct download link? Mailing list announcement?
[00:51:15] <brion>	mmmm, peraps
[00:51:31] <brion>	actually it might be wise to include a release notes link in there somewhres :D
[00:53:59] <Marybelle>	Hmm. But http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.14.0 breaks. ;-)
[00:54:20] <Marybelle>	I wonder if there's a parser function hack to strip the .X ...
[00:54:29] <p858snake>	then unbreak it >.>
[00:54:48] <Marybelle>	Redirecting fixes it for now, sure. But it's bad future-proofing.
[00:55:47] <MrZ-man|busy>	there isn't some template that just has 1.14?
[00:56:12] <Marybelle>	I don't think so.
[00:56:25] <MrZ-man|busy>	hmm, I thought I remember seeing one, maybe not
[00:56:52] <Marybelle>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_checklist#MediaWiki.org_updates
[00:57:01] <Splarka>	{{#expr: 1.14.0 round 2}}
[00:57:06] <Splarka>	</hax>
[00:57:10] <Marybelle>	Yeah.
[00:57:22] <Marybelle>	Will that work for 1.6.12 or whatever?
[00:57:25] <Marybelle>	I guess it would.
[00:57:38] <MrZ-man|busy>	there's http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:MW_stable_release_number-short but it hasn't been used in a while
[00:57:38] <Splarka>	sorta
[00:57:46] <Marybelle>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:MW_legacy_release_number
[00:57:58] <Marybelle>	That would round up, no?
[00:58:11] <MrZ-man|busy>	ah, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:MW_stable_branch_number
[00:58:14] <Splarka>	floor then
[00:58:18] <MrZ-man|busy>	that's what I was looking for
[00:58:28] <Marybelle>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:MW_stable_release_number-short I'm gonna use this.
[00:58:30] <Splarka>	or whatever expr uses for floor, hmm
[00:58:47] <MrZ-man|busy>	Marybelle: see my last link
[00:59:07] <Marybelle>	MrZ-man|busy: Does that work for the other two? :P
[00:59:23] <MrZ-man|busy>	there might be ones
[00:59:37] <MrZ-man|busy>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:MW_ancient_branch_number
[00:59:53] <MrZ-man|busy>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:MW_legacy_branch_number
[01:00:03] <Marybelle>	Heh. <3
[01:00:25] <MrZ-man|busy>	mw.org has way too many of these templates :P
[01:00:46] <Splarka>	and yet not enough
[01:01:15] <MrZ-man|busy>	we need ones for the major version number, it'll just be "1" until MediaWiki 2.0 comes out
[01:01:47] <Splarka>	by then it won't use any kind of templating system
[01:02:01] <Marybelle>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki All better.
[01:02:07] <Splarka>	it'll use reactive black holes to adjust the universe to have the information in it you wanted before you decided it should be there
[01:02:29] <Marybelle>	X!K!C!D!
[01:03:01] <Splarka>	the information will be created by a quantum universe created just for the task, with an infinite number of parallel clones of yourself that will live their life and die, and then never have existed
[01:04:41] <Splarka>	although that might be included in version 1.3->3->64->2.0
[01:04:56] *Splarka 	is not sure what that'd be in Knuth's notation
[01:06:12] <MrZ-man|busy>	Splarka: is there an open bug about the black hole thing, or are we still waiting for PHP to support that?
[01:07:26] <Splarka>	http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/f/f/1/ff1d81ed935d0f374638335675692e57.png
[01:09:30] <Splarka>	the fun thing about up-arrow notation, you couldn't even express that as an exponential, filling the universe with carets
[01:10:13] <MrZ-man|busy>	you're a caret
[01:11:21] <Splarka>	I am circumflexed thank you very much
[01:25:43] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:JoshtheLego&curid=35535&diff=240963&oldid=240962
[01:25:48] *Splarka 	thinks someone is a mite confused
[01:28:52] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Annoying automatical translation of user and special pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17667 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (email_metawiki_138)
[01:33:36] <kim_bruning>	Okay, so I've got the extension tester and wikiation installer hotwired together to naively test every single mediawiki extension (all 300+ ) ;-)
[01:33:45] <kim_bruning>	and it seems to be working so far
[01:33:49] *kim_bruning 	crosses fingers and toes
[01:33:54] <kim_bruning>	this might take a while
[01:34:50] <kim_bruning>	(it's basically just installs an extension stupidly (download extension, add to localsettings, hail mary) , and sees if the magic smoke stays in or not)
[01:35:18] <Marybelle>	Nice.
[01:36:16] <Splarka>	is it going to try some combitronics?
[01:36:24] <kim_bruning>	Nothing fancy yet
[01:36:30] <Skizzerz>	hmm... doesn't that pose a security risk of some sort though, since it would require the webserver to have write access to localsettings?
[01:36:34] <kim_bruning>	just the first time I could get it to do something like that
[01:36:40] <kim_bruning>	Skizzerz, nope
[01:36:51] <kim_bruning>	Skizzerz, I wrote my own installer that doesn't need that
[01:37:13] <Skizzerz>	<kim_bruning> (it's basically just installs an extension stupidly (download extension, add to localsettings, hail mary) , and sees if the magic smoke stays in or not)
[01:37:22] *Splarka 	guesses 300! extensions would take a while
[01:37:38] <Skizzerz>	...
[01:37:43] <Skizzerz>	I doubt we have 300! extensions
[01:37:46] <kim_bruning>	Skizzerz, I see what you're getting at... The tester runs locally
[01:38:00] <Skizzerz>	hmm
[01:38:03] <kim_bruning>	Skizzerz, I'm not sure I can calculate 300!
[01:38:18] <Splarka>	combitronics of extensionifications
[01:38:23] <kim_bruning>	1*2*3*4*5*6*7.... /me gets warn out
[01:38:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow hiding of Cite.php references - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8033  +comment (10royleban)
[01:38:33] *kim_bruning 	gets worn out
[01:38:38] <Skizzerz>	1*2.... /me gets worn out too
[01:38:47] <kim_bruning>	Skizzerz, you're weak ;-)
[01:38:50] <Skizzerz>	:P
[01:39:07] <kim_bruning>	Oh how did you manage to put the add to localsettings in bold? 
[01:39:15] *kim_bruning 	scratches head, I didn't know you could do that :-P
[01:39:17] <Marybelle>	IRC hax.
[01:39:22] <Marybelle>	Bold.
[01:39:22] <Skizzerz>	\x02
[01:39:22] <Splarka>	^B
[01:39:25] <kim_bruning>	Oh, that much I grasp
[01:39:32] <kim_bruning>	try it?
[01:39:40] <kim_bruning>	unboldunbold
[01:39:41] <chuck>	:D
[01:39:43] <kim_bruning>	hmm, kay
[01:39:44] <flyingparchment>	you have to install the bold IRC support patch
[01:39:50] <flyingparchment>	2007-04 or later
[01:39:51] <kim_bruning>	LOL
[01:40:02] *kim_bruning 	learns something new every day
[01:40:34] <Splarka>	there is also ^U ^R ^O 
[01:40:35] <Splarka>	and ^K for color, but that isn't the same in every client (annoyingly)
[01:40:49] <kim_bruning>	I might remember something like that...
[01:41:02] <Splarka>	and there is +o and +q for when people use it too much
[01:41:05] <kim_bruning>	anyway I'm at N now
[01:41:14] <Marybelle>	Newuserlog?
[01:41:22] <kim_bruning>	* Nuke NAIVE_INSTALL_BREAKS
[01:41:23] <flyingparchment>	Splarka: ^K actually sends ^C
[01:41:33] *kim_bruning 	snickers
[01:41:39] <Skizzerz>	flyingparchment: lol
[01:41:44] <flyingparchment>	?
[01:41:58] <kim_bruning>	wait... everything seems to be breaking at this point
[01:42:01] <Skizzerz>	try typing the latter and see what happens ;)
[01:42:08] <kim_bruning>	it could be that I need to install and uninstall the wiki each time
[01:42:08] <flyingparchment>	Skizzerz: 3,4colours!
[01:42:15] <Skizzerz>	>_>
[01:42:19] <kim_bruning>	if some extension managed to permanently bork the wiki
[01:42:22] <Skizzerz>	well, on some clients it makes you /quit
[01:42:26] *Splarka 	^C's river
[01:42:29] <flyingparchment>	well, those clients must be pretty crappy
[01:42:30] <Skizzerz>	^C being cancel & all
[01:42:40] <flyingparchment>	(interrupt)
[01:42:43] <Marybelle>	My Mac just beeps at me.
[01:42:46] <Skizzerz>	meh
[01:43:21] <kim_bruning>	and indeed that's what happens
[01:43:28] *kim_bruning 	^Cs the tester
[01:43:30] <kim_bruning>	hmph
[01:43:35] <chuck>	8,5are these colours annoying?
[01:44:00] <chuck>	:'(
[01:44:01] <kim_bruning>	ExtensionFunctions.php NAIVE_INSTALL_BREAKS
[01:44:02] <chuck>	+c is the devil
[01:44:02] <Splarka>	does this +o make my ass look big?
[01:44:03] <kim_bruning>	this caused it
[01:44:09] *kim_bruning 	scratches head
[01:44:12] <chuck>	Splarka: yeah it does
[01:44:14] <Splarka>	I don't even know if we can +c here, the bots would be pretty boring
[01:44:20] <chuck>	oh right
[01:44:21] <chuck>	yay
[01:44:28] <Splarka>	I was just gonna ban you
[01:44:36] <chuck>	:-(
[01:44:41] <MrZ-man|busy>	:D
[01:44:49] <kim_bruning>	that's actually a bug in the uninstaller I think
[01:44:57] <Marybelle>	How would we know that a BLOCKER needed attention without color?
[01:44:59] <Splarka>	modern IRC is such a hack job
[01:45:05] <Marybelle>	You're a hack job.
[01:45:07] <Splarka>	CTCP is PRIVMSG wrapped in ^A
[01:45:07] <p858snake>	Splarka: but then what is the love if you ban him >.>
[01:45:29] <Skizzerz>	what is love?
[01:45:31] <flyingparchment>	Splarka: fun fact: you can combine ctcp and normal text, or several ctcp, on the same line
[01:45:33] <Skizzerz>	baby don't hurt me
[01:45:35] *Skizzerz 	stops
[01:45:40] <Splarka>	fun
[01:45:53] <flyingparchment>	(which is used for CTCP UTC)
[01:46:27] <Splarka>	
hmm
 hmm
[01:46:36] <Marybelle>	Client-to-client protocol Universal Time Coordinated.
[01:46:46] <MrZ-man|busy>	Splarka: :O
[01:46:54] <frgomes>	Hi folks :)    I'm getting the following error from both 1.13.4 and 1.14.0. My environment is Debian Etch, php 5.2.0.
[01:46:57] <frgomes>	Fatal error: Cannot redeclare wfloadallextensions() (previously declared in /srv/users/www-data/www/mediawiki-1.13.4/includes/AutoLoader.php:525) in /usr/share/mediawiki/includes/AutoLoader.php on line 429
[01:46:58] <Splarka>	(guess not in mIRC)
[01:47:07] <frgomes>	any idea? Thanks :)
[01:47:19] <Skizzerz>	o.O
[01:47:25] <Splarka>	geez, we're trying to screw around with IRC here, stop asking topical questions! (joke)
[01:47:45] <frgomes>	oh... no! :D :D
[01:47:45] <OverlordQ>	are you using the debian packages?
[01:47:49] <Skizzerz>	frgomes: any reason why you're running two copies of mediawiki at the same time?
[01:47:53] <chuck>	ick
[01:48:09] <Splarka>	1.14.0? I don't think debian has a package turnaround that fast
[01:48:19] <chuck>	that can't be correct :P
[01:48:24] <chuck>	especially in etch
[01:48:33] <frgomes>	No. I've checked out directly from SVN. I've tried 2 versions because any version which works is fine to me :D
[01:48:54] *Splarka 	wonders how you do factorals in google calculator
[01:48:57] <OverlordQ>	then yea, it's really wierd to show two paths like that
[01:49:08] <chuck>	latest in lenny is 1.12.0
[01:49:10] <OverlordQ>	<num>! doesn't work?
[01:49:43] <OverlordQ>	might try fact(<num>)
[01:49:51] <frgomes>	I will verify why /usr/share/mediawiki/includes.... appears... Thanks for pointing out!
[01:49:54] <Splarka>	300! keeps giving me "THIS IS SPARTA"
[01:50:06] <Skizzerz>	!300
[01:50:06] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "300".
[01:50:14] <Skizzerz>	mwbot needs to get out more
[01:50:19] <OverlordQ>	!42
[01:50:19] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "42".
[01:50:29] <Splarka>	!shh
[01:50:57] <Alphos>	oO
[01:51:01] <frgomes>	oh... yes... in fact I have version 1.12 installed from Debian packages.
[01:51:24] <MrZ-man|busy>	http://www.google.com/search?q=170! is the highest it'll go
[01:52:49] <frgomes>	Is there a way to avoid searching from Debian path whilst I test? After it works I can switch to a new version and uninstall Debian packages.
[01:53:06] <OverlordQ>	so you do have the debian packages installed?
[01:53:28] <frgomes>	yes. from backports: 1.12.0-2~bpo40+1
[01:54:21] <OverlordQ>	shouldn't be a problem unless you try to put both at /wiki then it might do something wonky
[01:56:48] <frgomes>	Contexts are different, but in the same webserver.
[01:57:40] <frgomes>	How could I handcraft the PATH in order to avoid the 'default' search path defined by Debian?
[01:59:52] <frgomes>	I found the problem. I copied LocalSettings.php from the production wiki. Obviously I need to change the base directory there.
[02:00:29] <frgomes>	Thanks a lot! I'm quite stressed and I didnt realized different paths! :/
[02:02:36] <CIA-60>	03kim * r47818 10/trunk/wikiation/installer/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
[02:02:36] <CIA-60>	Large scale naive testing finds new bugs.
[02:02:36] <CIA-60>	Bug in insatllation system (would attempt to continue with next steps if some part of procedure failed)
[02:02:36] <CIA-60>	Added exception for this issue
[02:02:36] <CIA-60>	added small script for naive testing of all extensions
[02:04:02] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Easiest enhancement ever: Integrate TinyMCE into mediawiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17668 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (tim987)
[02:04:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Easiest enhancement ever: Integrate TinyMCE into mediawiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17668  normal->highest (10tim987)
[02:05:32] <Splarka>	need a way to set BLOCKER enhancements
[02:06:27] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Visiting deleted edits gives Main page deletion tab. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17669 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Deleting; (conrad.irwin)
[02:09:37] <kim_bruning>	70 out of 91 naive_results
[02:09:42] <kim_bruning>	ooh... this is getting good!
[02:10:02] <kim_bruning>	76%!
[02:11:59] <kim_bruning>	I should get some sleep
[02:12:04] <kim_bruning>	but this is actually exciting ^^;;
[02:12:18] <Splarka>	so.. lemme get this straight, adapting tinyMCE into a mediawiki-code wysiwyg is the "Easiest" enhancement ever?
[02:12:42] <kim_bruning>	Splarka, yeah, SIMPLE! ;-)
[02:12:59] <kim_bruning>	FCK just scrolled past
[02:13:06] <kim_bruning>	that's definitely non-trivial to install :-P
[02:13:19] <kim_bruning>	(it says the naive install breaks)
[02:13:31] <kim_bruning>	oh wow
[02:13:34] <kim_bruning>	I just realized...
[02:13:53] <kim_bruning>	I can expand this to systematically test extensions wholesale... (not just naive tests)
[02:14:11] <Splarka>	yes, Diet Doctor Pepper doesn't taste anything like Regular Doctor Pepper
[02:14:12] <kim_bruning>	That'll need a lot more prerequisites before I get that working
[02:14:27] <kim_bruning>	Splarka, dude!
[02:15:15] <kim_bruning>	Splarka, are you saying I should explain what I'm up to... instead of just cackling insanely, and emitting occasional bursts of evil laughter? ;-)
[02:15:42] <Splarka>	not at all, it is entertaining
[02:15:53] <Splarka>	you just need to wear some whiteface and stripey shirts
[02:15:55] <kim_bruning>	LOL
[02:15:59] <kim_bruning>	I'm having fun too
[02:16:12] <kim_bruning>	wouldn't that turn me into a mime? ;-)
[02:16:29] *kim_bruning 	makes like a mime and hushes
[02:17:20] <Alphos>	i just thought of something that'll get wysiwyg even easier to implement
[02:17:25] <Alphos>	parser functions
[02:17:41] *kim_bruning 	wonders if that was sarcasm or for real
[02:17:46] <Alphos>	templates are gonna be tricky all by themselves... imagine with parser functions -_-"
[02:17:59] <Alphos>	yeah, that was sarcasm, kim_bruning ^^'
[02:18:28] <kim_bruning>	well, as long as you don't actually expect the wysiwyg system to support said templates or parser functions
[02:18:34] <kim_bruning>	I think we'd be fine
[02:18:44] <Alphos>	hm
[02:19:08] <Alphos>	although parser functions are part of an extension
[02:19:12] <Alphos>	templates are not
[02:19:17] <kim_bruning>	AND , of course, you could write templates and parser functions in support of said editor
[02:19:44] <Alphos>	so i guess it would be kinda not neet, not to implement them :/
[02:19:49] <Alphos>	*neat
[02:20:01] <kim_bruning>	Hmmm , actually, that might solve the two parsers needed problem
[02:20:16] <kim_bruning>	what if your wysiwyg editor only wrote templates... instead of wikicode
[02:20:28] <kim_bruning>	(for some value of "you" )
[02:20:35] <Alphos>	kim_bruning, i'm not saying it will be easy, i'm just saying it'll be rash not to use templates :s
[02:20:37] <Alphos>	huh ?
[02:21:00] <kim_bruning>	well, we don't have a proper grammar for wikicode
[02:21:01] <Alphos>	well, a wysiwyg should use all features of the center code :/
[02:21:20] <Alphos>	(the core, mediawiki itself, if you prefer)
[02:21:25] <kim_bruning>	but we could make up some arbitrary template system that can be described fully
[02:21:34] <kim_bruning>	this means we don't need to write a new parser (again)
[02:21:37] <kim_bruning>	and means nothing breaks
[02:21:40] <Alphos>	well, g'luck with that ;s
[02:22:05] <kim_bruning>	much simpler than many of the alternatives :-P
[02:22:38] <Alphos>	yeah
[02:22:52] <Alphos>	but it would exclude many features, wouldn't it ?
[02:22:58] <Splarka>	old discussion
[02:23:04] <Splarka>	people have spent years on wikiwyg
[02:23:05] <Alphos>	^^'
[02:23:11] <Splarka>	just saying it is NOT "easiest"
[02:23:14] <Alphos>	i s'pose so
[02:23:23] <Alphos>	and concur with that
[02:23:39] <kim_bruning>	Splarka, A customer is asking me about wikiwyg
[02:23:42] <Splarka>	if I was gonna write one it would hit the api with action=render for every <tag> {{template/variable/parserfunction}} ==header== and [[link]]
[02:23:45] <kim_bruning>	I told 'em FCK is probably the best bet
[02:23:51] <kim_bruning>	(they weren't very happy with that though)
[02:24:02] <Splarka>	"go FCK yourself"
[02:24:12] <kim_bruning>	That's what I thought
[02:24:13] <Alphos>	kim_bruning, not really a customer, contributor on fr:WP ;)
[02:24:32] <kim_bruning>	Alphos, that's different
[02:24:45] <Alphos>	and confident with the wysinwyg (is NOT what) !D
[02:25:04] <kim_bruning>	I'm still getting all kinds of wild plans in my head here
[02:25:15] <Alphos>	XD
[02:25:18] <kim_bruning>	if what I'm doing now works (and it does)
[02:25:22] <Alphos>	and that demonic laugh ? :D
[02:25:46] <kim_bruning>	sorry, whilst chatting about wikiwyg , I'm actually perpetrating my plans for wiki-domination
[02:25:57] <Alphos>	XDDDD
[02:27:05] <Emachman>	Who decided that the people who could assign user rights would be called "bureaucrats" in the first place?
[02:27:11] <kim_bruning>	checked 341 extensions now
[02:27:13] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) plese fix wikibooks Favicon - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17670 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (shizhao)
[02:27:27] <kim_bruning>	Emachman, good question... I can't recall
[02:27:47] <flyingparchment>	it was named bureaucrat to prevent people from wanting to be on
[02:27:49] <flyingparchment>	+e
[02:27:57] <kim_bruning>	so I've done very simple testing of 353 extensions now
[02:28:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) plese fix wikibooks Favicon - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17670   +accessibility (10shizhao)
[02:28:04] <kim_bruning>	flyingparchment, <snicker>
[02:28:17] <kim_bruning>	This is very fast and painless
[02:28:32] <kim_bruning>	now I should extend this system to do more extensive testing
[02:28:41] <kim_bruning>	(like checking to see if parsertests fail, for instance)
[02:29:05] <Alphos>	flyingparchment except futurama fans ?
[02:29:26] <Alphos>	(especially those liking hermes conrad, of course)
[02:29:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) plese fix wikibooks Favicon - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17670  -accessibility +shell (10p858snake)
[02:29:44] <Splarka>	Alphos: to prevent people who couldn't spell it from asking for it
[02:30:04] <Alphos>	brueauecarts ? :p
[02:30:06] <kim_bruning>	258 out of 359 extensions can plausibly be installed with the "hail mary" approach
[02:30:14] <kim_bruning>	hang, on, that looks suspiciousn again
[02:30:29] <kim_bruning>	hmm, nope, looks good
[02:30:33] <Alphos>	:D
[02:31:14] <kim_bruning>	that's 72%
[02:32:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Integrate TinyMCE into mediawiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17668  highest->normal; summary; +comment (10mrzmanwiki)
[02:32:47] <Skizzerz>	woohoo
[02:33:21] <kim_bruning>	so now TinyMCE works?
[02:33:33] <MrZ-man|busy>	given the state of http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TinyMCE_MW I don't see core support happenng any time soon
[02:34:04] <MrZ-man|busy>	# Does not support Wikitext Bullet list.
[02:34:17] <MrZ-man|busy>	well what does it support?
[02:35:20] <Skizzerz>	uh, idk
[02:35:31] <Skizzerz>	not much
[02:36:13] <Skizzerz>	besides, in order for a wysiwyg editor to fully work with mediawiki, it would have to be modified to output wikitext, which is difficult considering there is no real structure or anything to it
[02:36:22] <Alphos>	bluelinks
[02:46:15] <CIA-60>	03kim * r47819 10/trunk/wikiation/wikiation_exttest/__init__.py: Add __init__.py to allow wikiation_exttest to be used as a package
[02:52:59] <kim_bruning>	http://extensiontesting.wikiation.nl/Naive_test
[02:55:06] <kim_bruning>	<GRIN>
[02:57:01] <kim_bruning>	I figure this is the first time anyone has ever actually tried to figure out what extensions actually still work at all ;-)
[02:57:14] <kim_bruning>	in a systematic way, that is...
[02:57:27] <kim_bruning>	and yes they've done it for individual extensions
[02:57:30] <kim_bruning>	but never all at once ;-)
[02:57:37] <MrZ-man|busy>	kim_bruning: that sounds kind of like the crappy script I wrote to install extensions :P
[02:57:46] <kim_bruning>	*snicker*
[02:57:49] <MrZ-man|busy>	except probably slightly better
[02:58:20] <kim_bruning>	well, this particular script is very crappy
[02:58:33] <MrZ-man|busy>	download extension, add line to settings based on extension name, run update.php
[02:58:33] <kim_bruning>	but to quote the cryptonomicon "It has Infrastructure"
[02:59:07] <kim_bruning>	I didn't try running update.php yet ...
[02:59:08] <kim_bruning>	hmm
[02:59:32] <kim_bruning>	the extra step I took is just to unleash pywikipedia-bot at the site, briefly
[02:59:36] <kim_bruning>	;-)
[02:59:47] <MrZ-man|busy>	for most extensions it won't do anything, but the good ones have hooks to add their tables via update.php
[03:00:59] <kim_bruning>	Hmm, there's some tests I can run in conjunction with that
[03:01:04] <kim_bruning>	but that'd be a much longer run
[03:01:23] <Skizzerz>	only one of my extensions broke
[03:01:24] <kim_bruning>	since I'd need to install and uninstall mediawiki each time to be sure nothing crazy happens.
[03:01:34] <kim_bruning>	Skizzerz, which extension is that?
[03:01:44] <Skizzerz>	AmazonPlus
[03:01:57] <Skizzerz>	which means you don't have one or two PHP extensions installed ;)
[03:02:00] <kim_bruning>	Skizzerz, could you check to see why it breaks?
[03:02:08] <kim_bruning>	Oh! It requires dependencies?
[03:02:34] <Skizzerz>	yeah, needs simplexml and allow_url_fopen
[03:02:38] <kim_bruning>	which PHP extensions does it require?
[03:02:48] <MrZ-man|busy>	mine is a 25 line windows batch script and then 6 lines of Python to edit the settings file
[03:03:08] <kim_bruning>	I don't edit the settings file at all... ;-)
[03:03:22] <kim_bruning>	I have a settings directory instead
[03:03:31] <kim_bruning>	makes it easier to be sure you cleanly add and remove settings
[03:04:43] <MrZ-man|busy>	stuff = '\n\nrequire_once ("C:/xampp/htdocs/common/extensions/%(ext)s/%(ext)s.php");' % {'ext':extname}
[03:04:43] <MrZ-man|busy>	cs = open("CommonSettings.php", 'ab')
[03:04:44] <MrZ-man|busy>	cs.write(stuff)
[03:06:36] <kim_bruning>	hmmm, xampp ;-)
[03:06:58] <kim_bruning>	MrZ-man|busy, sounds good
[03:07:04] <kim_bruning>	so how do you uninstall? ;-)
[03:07:20] <MrZ-man|busy>	by hand :P
[03:08:10] <kim_bruning>	hmm
[03:08:33] <MrZ-man|busy>	its not a production wiki, so quality doesn't matter all that much
[03:08:39] <kim_bruning>	ah!\
[03:08:51] <kim_bruning>	so I'm doing some work for a company called wikiation
[03:09:05] <kim_bruning>	who would like to offer high quality service to their customers
[03:09:26] <kim_bruning>	and this includes developing acceptance tests.
[03:09:32] <MrZ-man|busy>	I don't install extensions very often, but its enough to be annoying to do it by hand
[03:09:37] <kim_bruning>	Okay
[03:10:09] <kim_bruning>	as part of the testing environment, I've written an installer that installs and uninstalls extensions automatically. and (hopefully) cleanly
[03:10:25] <Prodego>	kim_bruning: which is really cool
[03:10:38] <kim_bruning>	and which only runs on linux so far :-P
[03:10:47] <MrZ-man|busy>	if you use the MediaWiki API at all for anything, you might want to look at some of the stuff I've done with http://code.google.com/p/python-wikitools/source/browse/#svn/trunk/wikitools
[03:10:49] <kim_bruning>	mostly because it allows .sh scripts
[03:11:22] <kim_bruning>	MrZ-man|busy, Ah, I saw those earlier
[03:11:35] <kim_bruning>	I'm not doing anything with the API at this moment in time
[03:11:54] <kim_bruning>	though I was doing things with it last year
[03:11:55] <kim_bruning>	:-)
[03:12:35] <kim_bruning>	Those tools look really good now!
[03:14:16] <kim_bruning>	hmm, I think maybe I should move my tester a bit, so I don't need to do the sys.path.append stuff...
[03:14:19] *kim_bruning 	scratches head
[03:14:27] <kim_bruning>	well, this was a quick hack for no
[03:14:29] <kim_bruning>	for now
[03:14:37] <kim_bruning>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/wikiation/installer/util/allnaive.py
[03:14:49] <kim_bruning>	I'll tidy it up sometime early next week, perhaps
[03:15:38] <kim_bruning>	MrZ-man|busy, I've bookmarked the wikitools... I'll have to look at them more closely sometime! :)
[03:19:19] <kim_bruning>	Sorry I'm chatting so much today. I'm just really excited that I got this working. :-)
[03:19:35] <kim_bruning>	and I should really be sleeping
[03:19:40] <kim_bruning>	So like, good night all! 
[03:20:07] <Splarka>	sleep is overrated
[03:20:12] <kim_bruning>	quite
[03:24:09] <CIA-60>	03dale * r47820 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixes for sequencer support of php javascript loader
[03:24:17] <jon_>	I'm trying to fix the CategoryBreadcumb extension, but don't see a good way to have a category in multiple parent categories show up correctly. I was hoping there might be an Ajax-API way to retreive categories?
[03:27:17] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=categorymembers&cmtitle=Category:Extensions
[03:30:28] <jon_>	thanks,Splarka
[03:30:38] <Splarka>	rar
[03:55:35] <CIA-60>	03dale * r47821 10/branches/new-upload/phase3/includes/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Updates for uploadFromUrl form support
[04:08:23] *werdnum 	waves
[04:11:46] <Splarka>	bah, can measure the amplitude and frequency from that wave, but not the direction
[04:11:52] <Splarka>	are you coming or going, werdnum?
[04:12:06] <Alphos>	.wav sucks, it's not GPL
[04:12:13] <qsheets>	lol
[04:12:35] <Splarka>	what do you want, he's already back in .au
[04:12:39] <Alphos>	nighty night guys :)
[04:12:42] <Alphos>	:D
[04:12:59] <werdnum>	Splarka: arriving :p
[04:13:05] *Alphos 	meets the Splarkans
[04:13:23] *Splarka 	tried to watch that, got about halfway through
[04:13:44] <Splarka>	http://www.imdb.com/bottom_100_films
[04:14:05] <Splarka>	no longer on the bottom 100~ woot
[04:14:23] <Alphos>	:D
[04:14:36] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Top edit in watchlist: what has to be shown - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17671 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Watchlist; (OnTheWhite)
[04:14:55] *Alphos 	has laughed HAO on the "pit" sequence ^^'
[04:16:01] <Alphos>	still couldn't manage to see the whole movie, though...
[04:16:22] <Alphos>	might wanna take a look into it when it comes out on dvd
[04:16:58] <Splarka>	I do highly recommend #13 "The Final Sacrifice", but only with 2 robots and a janitor
[04:17:11] <Alphos>	XD
[04:17:17] <Alphos>	will do, will do ^^
[04:17:37] <Splarka>	and "Disaster Movie" was awful but I did finish it, ugh
[04:58:07] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Talk/discussion page cleaner layout+new features - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17672 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (tim987)
[04:58:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Talk/discussion page cleaner layout+new features - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17672  normal->highest (10tim987)
[05:04:07] <Splarka>	god
[05:06:19] <Splarka>	flyingparchment: if you could just put the damned Priority dropdown back into the new bug form, so people stop spamming wikibugs/emails to raise it after the fact...
[05:06:25] *Splarka 	looks cut
[05:06:30] <Splarka>	+e, bah, fail
[05:10:57] <p858snake>	that should be a WONTFIX anyway >.>
[05:12:41] *werdnum 	curses semicolons
[05:14:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Talk/discussion page cleaner layout+new features - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17672  highest->lowest (10Prodego)
[05:14:42] <Prodego>	Splarka: there we go....
[05:14:52] <Splarka>	oh yah, that'll help
[05:15:09] <Splarka>	sarcasm->highest
[05:15:12] <Prodego>	well it should actually be lower than that
[05:15:19] <Prodego>	but there is no lower category
[05:17:06] <Prodego>	Splarka: you could just close it as WONTFIX and then save us all the trouble
[05:17:36] <TimStarling>	it's possible to just delete all the options from "priority"
[05:17:54] <TimStarling>	then all bugs would have the same priority
[05:18:09] <Splarka>	right, but we've asked for that, and get 'meh' in response
[05:18:23] <Splarka>	the current situation is worse than the original, heh
[05:18:39] <TimStarling>	have you?
[05:18:50] <Prodego>	who is 'we'
[05:19:09] <Splarka>	me and the voices in my head, in my head
[05:19:28] <Prodego>	mmhmm
[05:20:01] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Talk/discussion page cleaner layout+new features - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17672  lowest->highest; +comment (10Andrew)
[05:20:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Transform discussion pages to a "real" forum - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1234  +comment (10Andrew)
[05:20:21] *Splarka 	glares at werdnum
[05:20:43] <Prodego>	well that works for me
[05:21:07] <TimStarling>	so who did you ask exactly?
[05:22:13] <Prodego>	really the priorities are something like this Really High|  Very low | very very low | and I've never heard of that, but it sounds stupid
[05:24:16] <Splarka>	well, you're not going to remove it anytime soon anyway, so what is the point in me grepping the logs to find out?
[05:24:22] *Splarka 	watching South Park
[05:44:21] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) exportnowrap=true causes internal error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17673 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: API; (sam.korn)
[05:45:30] <p858snake>	how about just change the priorities to something like "Major or Normal"
[06:03:04] <CIA-60>	03tstarling * r47822 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 3 dirs): 
[06:03:04] <CIA-60>	* Refactored the forking code from runJobs.php to a new class called ForkController. Implemented the same sort of forking in gearmanWorker.php.
[06:03:04] <CIA-60>	* Fixed debugging code left in in gearmanRefreshLinks.php
[06:05:52] <TimStarling>	you mean high or normal?
[06:05:56] <TimStarling>	major sounds like a severity
[06:07:12] <werdnum>	Or we could make priorities settable only by brion et al
[06:07:49] <p858snake>	something like that
[06:49:43] <TimStarling>	there's no feature for that
[06:49:53] <TimStarling>	you either have editbugs or nothing
[06:50:14] <werdnum>	Could probably be hacked in and sent upstream
[06:52:47] <TimStarling>	I'd do it, but then I'd have another ton of bugs assigned to me wouldn't I?
[06:53:03] <werdnum>	probably
[06:56:47] <Splarka>	skins/custom/global.css  ++ label[for="priority"], select#priority {display:none;} 
[07:04:25] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Annoying automatical translation of user and special pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17667  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[07:04:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Option for circumventing automatic localized special-namespace as well as names for special pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9040  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[07:04:48] <Marybelle>	Annoying. Heh. 
[07:14:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Accesskeys conflict with browser keyboard shortcuts - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[07:22:25] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Grammar doesn't work in few places - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16669  summary; +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[07:28:59] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Top edit in watchlist: what has to be shown - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17671  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[07:29:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) (top) in watchlists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13698  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[07:31:17] *Lady_Aleena 	hides cookies all over the room a la Easter egg hunt.
[07:53:51] <p858snake>	Cookies are delicious delicacies
[07:54:43] <werdnum>	mmmmmmmmmm
[07:56:36] <p858snake>	i bet no one got that quote
[07:57:18] <Splarka>	mozilla/tools/options/privacy
[07:57:21] <Splarka>	[+] cookies
[07:58:13] <p858snake>	Splarka wins a cookie!
[07:58:35] <Splarka>	yay?
[07:58:45] *Lady_Aleena 	puts more cookies out in the open just cause she is mostly happy with the people on this channel. :)
[07:58:53] <werdnum>	slurp
[07:59:12] <Lady_Aleena>	What would you all do without me and the cookies? ;)
[07:59:37] <werdnum>	lose weight
[08:01:13] <Lady_Aleena>	May I beg a favor for someone to finally make the SiteMatrix table readable? I will give more cookies!
[08:04:42] <CIA-60>	03tstarling * r47823 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/gearman/ (gearman.inc gearmanRefreshLinks.php gearmanWorker.php): 
[08:04:42] <CIA-60>	* Submit jobs in batches and wait for each batch, to avoid overflowing the queue
[08:04:42] <CIA-60>	* Report success before running exec() so that the client doesn't wait forever
[08:05:09] <Lady_Aleena>	I would fix it myself, if I knew how. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14949 
[08:39:58] <kraut>	moin
[09:02:51] <CIA-60>	03nad * r47824 10/trunk/extensions/SimpleSecurity/SimpleSecurity.php: fix bug affecting 1.13+ preventing extra groups from showing in protect form for sysops
[09:10:36] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r47825 10/trunk/phase3/includes/db/DatabasePostgres.php: 
[09:10:36] <CIA-60>	* Fixed $fname in functions definitions to have "DatabasePostgres::..." rather than "Database::..."
[09:10:36] <CIA-60>	* Some whitespaces tweaks
[09:26:28] <werdnum>	hi domas 
[09:27:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Activate Collection Extension for generating PDF on all Wikisources - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15970  (10jkbwiki)
[09:31:24] *Lady_Aleena 	puts out more cookies before she goes to bed.
[09:54:43] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r47826 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/AbuseFilter.i18n.php: Remove unused message
[10:01:23] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add "minor edit" variable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17674 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: AbuseFilter; (raimond.spekking)
[10:12:06] <CIA-60>	03catrope * r47827 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiQuery.php: API: (bug 17673) Using &exportnowrap without &export results in an internal error
[10:12:17] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) exportnowrap=true causes internal error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17673  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[10:25:54] <Splarka>	hey werdnumface
[10:26:09] <Splarka>	some people want bot flagging to be permanent, not just recentchangesnent
[10:26:20] <Splarka>	could that be one of your tags?
[10:26:34] <Splarka>	(core that is, not extensiony)
[10:30:39] <ialex>	Splarka: there's a bug for that
[10:30:45] <p858snake>	i want bots to be forced to used the tags, not just for the bots or edits they choose to >.>
[10:31:10] <Splarka>	p858snake: wat
[10:31:34] <Splarka>	you mean "this edit was made by a user in the group 'bot' which has the userright 'bot'" and not whether they used markasbot ?
[10:31:34] <p858snake>	its not a mediawiki thing, more of a en.wiki thing >.>
[10:31:58] <p858snake>	on en.wiki some don't get the flag so it dosn't show up in edits
[10:32:10] <Splarka>	so...
[10:32:20] <ialex>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11181
[10:32:25] <Splarka>	you want bot edits to be tagged as bots... without being set bots
[10:32:37] <Splarka>	I think that feature will be in 2.0 along with {{#dowhatIwant}}
[10:32:49] <p858snake>	no i want them to be set as bots >.>
[10:32:57] <p858snake>	its nothing to do with mediawiki
[10:33:16] <Splarka>	well, it'd have to have _something_ to do with it, if you want it on en.wp ^_^
[10:33:20] <Splarka>	unless they're switching to wordpress
[10:33:38] <werdnum>	Splarka: You could use tags for that I guess
[10:34:09] <werdnum>	Can't filter by tags though
[10:34:12] <werdnum>	domas will cry
[10:34:21] <Splarka>	well, not yet anyway
[10:35:01] <domas>	it is quite easy to make efficient 'recent changes by tags'
[10:35:29] <werdnum>	domas: I was poking you for ages trying to get you to tell me how!
[10:35:40] <werdnum>	And you told be it wasn't possible
[10:35:51] *werdnum 	slaps domas for fun
[10:36:29] <Splarka>	<domas> werdnum: $wgRCMaxAge = 60;
[10:37:07] *werdnum 	slaps Splarka 
[10:37:11] <Splarka>	ow
[10:37:56] <domas>	nah
[10:38:06] <domas>	just use 'tag/rcid' index and sort by it :)
[10:38:27] <werdnum>	sort by rcid instead of timestamp?
[10:41:31] <domas>	by rcid in tags table
[10:41:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Option for circumventing automatic localized special-namespace as well as names for special pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9040  (10email_metawiki_138)
[10:44:19] <werdnum>	mmm
[11:02:12] <werdnum>	Hmm, does this work as the variable names imply it does? 				$added = array_diff( array_intersect( $oldLinks, $newLinks ), $newLinks );
[11:02:36] <werdnum>	It seems like it should find all links which are in $newLinks but not $OldLinks
[11:03:12] <RoanKattouw>	WTF wouldn't that always return an empty array?
[11:04:10] <werdnum>	RoanKattouw: Well it has so far
[11:04:11] <RoanKattouw>	Basically this is (A intersect B) \ B which is always the empty set
[11:04:12] <werdnum>	Why do you say that?
[11:04:28] <RoanKattouw>	werdnum: Set theory says it's always empty ;)
[11:04:30] <ialex>	array_diff( $newLinks, $OldLinks )
[11:04:38] <werdnum>	ialex: That lists added *and* removed.
[11:04:57] <RoanKattouw>	werdnum: No it wouldn't, read the array_diff() docs
[11:05:08] <RoanKattouw>	It returns an array of all values in $param1 that are not present in $param2
[11:05:16] <RoanKattouw>	(in sets: A \ B)
[11:05:19] <werdnum>	 Returns an array containing all the entries from array1  that are not present in any of the other arrays. 
[11:05:22] <werdnum>	bah
[11:05:25] *RoanKattouw 	curses the B) smiley
[11:05:33] <ialex>	hehe :)
[11:33:37] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r47828 10/trunk/phase3/includes/User.php: Use getId() instead of mId in getEditCount(), so it works with unloaded user objects
[11:38:13] <LegendR>	Does anyone know an extension or way to be able to get soemthing like http://www.waarnemen.com/pp3/pp3.php?id=M1 embedded within a page?
[11:38:54] <RoanKattouw>	LegendR: You could embed the image itself of course
[11:39:14] <RoanKattouw>	By just typing http://www.waarnemen.com/pp3/images/M1.jpg on a wiki page
[11:40:11] <LegendR>	yeah, but the problem is its 2 images whichb rely on eachother
[11:40:25] <RoanKattouw>	Then embed both :P
[11:40:38] <LegendR>	I wasnt smart enough to figure that out, but Im not sure if theres a rythm in the 2 images
[11:40:44] <Vyznev>	hmm... http://www.waarnemen.com/ seems rather uniquely informative o.O
[11:40:58] <RoanKattouw>	heh
[11:41:10] <Splarka>	shouldn't that be text/plain ?
[11:41:13] <LegendR>	like M1 M1-2, M2 and m2-2, the images that .. well
[11:41:32] <LegendR>	hehe, Vyznev, its of a friend of mine
[11:41:57] <LegendR>	the server is overfloaded by info, the direct page the domain links to is not :P
[11:42:08] <Vyznev>	kind of like noc.wikimedia.org
[11:42:22] <Splarka>	http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php
[11:42:42] <LegendR>	o.0
[11:43:30] <LegendR>	well, Im going to look if the 2 images have a rythm in the way of naming
[11:43:39] <LegendR>	I hope so, theres 110 messiers lol, 220 images
[11:43:49] <LegendR>	and Im not really into changing all the names so that they match
[11:44:13] <Splarka>	is the wiki on the same domain?
[11:44:22] <LegendR>	no its not
[11:44:26] <werdnum>	37.651838    166 - Database::query-master
[11:44:28] *werdnum 	bahs
[11:44:40] <Splarka>	you might create an extension that generates a dedicated <iframe>
[11:45:05] <Vyznev>	the image names seem pretty straightforward
[11:45:12] <LegendR>	something like.. someone types in <picture>M1</picture> and he gets the 2 images of M1
[11:45:22] <LegendR>	yes Vyz, luckily for me, just seen it to
[11:45:24] <LegendR>	troo*
[11:45:27] <LegendR>	too* bleh
[11:45:58] <Splarka>	mmm, if you enable external images then probably a template would work
[11:46:16] <LegendR>	and that I do in Localsettings I assume?
[11:46:34] <Vyznev>	yup
[11:46:34] *Splarka 	nod
[11:46:41] <RoanKattouw>	!externalimages | LegendR 
[11:46:41] --mwbot--	LegendR: To allow images from elsewhere to be included in your wiki, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgAllowExternalImages>. To limit this to some specific sources, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgAllowExternalImagesFrom>.
[11:46:45] <LegendR>	hey Im not world's brightest person
[11:47:05] <LegendR>	oee intresting
[11:47:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Import displays wrong links to imported articles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11344  (10bugzilla.wikimedia)
[11:47:24] <Splarka>	http://www.waarnemen.com/pp3/images/{{uc:{{{1|m1}}}}}.jpg <br/> http://www.waarnemen.com/pp3/beeldarchief/{{lc:{{{1|m1}}}}}.jpg
[11:47:33] <Splarka>	or whatnot
[11:48:09] <LegendR>	sweet, also the limit to specific sources part
[11:48:16] <Splarka>	or rather...
[11:48:20] <LegendR>	:D Thanks you guys, this'll work for sure
[11:48:35] <Splarka>	http://www.waarnemen.com/pp3/images/M{{{1|1}}}.jpg <br/> http://www.waarnemen.com/pp3/beeldarchief/m{{{1|1}}}.jpg
[11:48:44] <Splarka>	in Template:M called via {{m|1}} etc
[11:49:06] <LegendR>	:D
[11:49:23] <Splarka>	(with appropriate div, styles, padding, borders, riot control, tear gas, and cheerleaders)
[11:49:34] <Splarka>	bare galaxies can be roudy
[11:49:41] <Splarka>	^rowdy
[11:49:56] <LegendR>	hehe
[11:50:02] <LegendR>	its a dutch astronomical wiki
[11:50:30] <LegendR>	short while ago it was there, some info.. but pretty much bleeded empty
[11:50:42] <LegendR>	woah bad bad sentence structure by the way
[11:50:45] <Splarka>	ahh, so have of them are pharmacologically induced
[11:50:57] <Splarka>	^half
[11:51:00] *Splarka 	gives up typing
[11:51:12] <LegendR>	I am now cheering it up again
[11:51:19] <Splarka>	it is contag... contaeg... catching
[11:51:34] <LegendR>	and hopefully, we can intrest new people with this, supply info ect.
[11:51:58] <LegendR>	reading in your own language still is prefered above english for most people here
[11:52:24] *Splarka 	nudges Roan
[11:52:31] <LegendR>	and since its 400 years ago since the first telescope was targeted to the sky this year..
[11:52:52] <LegendR>	Somehow I figure I dont sound intresting right now
[11:52:55] <LegendR>	:P
[11:53:11] <Splarka>	and 399 years since the first light pollution complaint
[11:53:32] <LegendR>	possibly
[11:53:54] <LegendR>	Im not much of a complain person.. but dont get me started on that
[11:54:03] <Splarka>	hmmm
[11:54:06] <Splarka>	Iridium Flares!
[11:54:18] <Splarka>	at least the russians took one of those out
[11:54:19] <LegendR>	I got 5 giant lamps targeted to my garden, not cool when you want to look to something located just above them
[11:54:48] <LegendR>	Splarka, Im going to figure out this embed stuff :P
[11:54:50] <LegendR>	https://www.galileoscope.org/gs/
[11:54:53] <LegendR>	maybe intresting
[11:54:56] <LegendR>	buy yer own scope for 15 dollar
[11:55:28] <LegendR>	I already seen one of em, first shipment is this april
[11:55:31] <LegendR>	and they are pretty good
[11:56:17] *Splarka 	ponders getting back into astronomy again, more fun with green lasers widely available apparently
[11:56:23] <LegendR>	tehee
[11:56:30] <LegendR>	those never get boring I agree
[11:56:46] <Splarka>	you can see exactly what someone is pointing at, the few times I tried it, is great
[11:57:02] <LegendR>	D=5cm reflect scope, can see upto Mag. 9 with it, so pretty good
[11:57:14] <LegendR>	I got a 30 mW lieing here
[11:57:26] <LegendR>	30 mW it says on the sticker atleast...
[11:57:27] <Splarka>	ahh, I got binoculars, heh... sub-amateur
[11:57:34] <Splarka>	ahh
[11:57:42] <Splarka>	illegal in the US, probably there too ^_^
[11:57:45] <LegendR>	mine can light a match from distance
[11:57:49] <LegendR>	and pop balloons
[11:57:50] <LegendR>	no
[11:57:55] <LegendR>	theyre legal upto 30 mW
[11:58:12] <LegendR>	for astronomical purposes though
[11:58:20] <Splarka>	ahh
[11:58:35] <Splarka>	well, they're legal as "modules" here, sort of
[11:58:53] <Splarka>	http://www.jasperlaser.com/index.php?/shop/details/26
[11:59:00] <LegendR>	but you should consider that galileo scope, its really nice
[11:59:05] <LegendR>	and it doesnt break quick either :P
[11:59:29] <Splarka>	too much light pollution here
[11:59:46] <LegendR>	can always try
[11:59:56] <LegendR>	it can even show some messiers and moons of saturn
[12:00:20] <Splarka>	I got Celestia for that ^_^
[12:00:26] <LegendR>	heh
[12:00:50] <LegendR>	try Stellarium, very good too
[12:01:01] <LegendR>	can zoom in to stars upto mag. 13
[12:02:19] <werdnum>	andrew-macbook:wm-svn andrew$ svn diff | wc -l
[12:02:25] <werdnum>	     577
[12:02:31] <werdnum>	whee, big commit
[12:03:32] <Splarka>	bah, ground based, not sci-fi enough... I used to go to a random point outside the milky way and navigate back to earth (took a while) with just motion in Celestia
[12:03:52] <LegendR>	lol
[12:11:51] <Splarka>	IIRC, find the spiral arm opposite the magellanic clouds (on the same facing side)... find Deneb, find Betelgeuse, and from there find the Alpha Centauri neighborhood... you never know when you're going to end up outside the galaxy lost travelling at superrelativistic speeds
[12:15:29] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r47829 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/ (6 files in 2 dirs): 
[12:15:29] <CIA-60>	Improve AbuseFilter performance by implementing lazy initialisation of computed variables.
[12:15:29] <CIA-60>	This has been done by replacing simple associative arrays with an AbuseFilterVariableHolder, which recognises helper classes called AFComputedVariables.
[12:15:30] <CIA-60>	Computation may occur during the abuse filter analysis, or later when testing and reviewing filters.
[12:22:39] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r47830 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/AbuseFilter.class.php: Don't pointlessly add lots of whitespace to the end of rules. One newline is enough
[12:24:04] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r47831 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/AbuseFilter.i18n.php: article -> page
[12:24:33] <werdnum>	bah @ siebrand :P
[12:44:39] <NetHunter>	Is there any way to run runJobs.php for multiple languages?
[12:47:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) MediaWiki:Maincategory to be created - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15345  (10bugzilla.wikimedia)
[12:52:06] <CIA-60>	03jojo * r47832 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.body.php: allow lack of space before/after title and subtitle; fix for http://code.pediapress.com/wiki/ticket/486
[12:52:33] <CIA-60>	03catrope * r47833 10/trunk/phase3/includes/WatchedItem.php: Clean up WatchedItem.php a bit: use __METHOD__ rather than $fname and use MWNamespace::getSubject() and getTalk()
[12:59:26] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Extend "pipe trick" to in-page links. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17675 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (bugzilla.wikimedia)
[13:25:25] <CrushKing>	hello people
[13:26:24] <CrushKing>	whats the diffrence between firefox and internet explorer when using FCKEditor?
[13:26:46] <CrushKing>	because some special tagging working for me in firefox but are gone in iexplorer for some reason... :(
[13:26:58] <werdnum>	internet explorer sucks, and so does fckeditor
[13:27:28] <CrushKing>	hey i got fckeditor running + added it some special tags i wanted
[13:28:01] <CrushKing>	and i cant force people to update to firefox... (we are on a no internet network)
[13:30:13] <jelle>	I'm looking for an approval mechanism for mediawiki, where users can contribute, but only a few can approve and publish (make visible). is there an  extension or anything that can help me here?
[13:33:10] <NetHunter>	jelle: Look into Flagged Revisions.
[13:33:59] <jelle>	ok, I'll check that out, thanks.
[13:34:01] <NetHunter>	jelle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Flagged_revisions 
[13:34:09] <jelle>	:) excellent
[13:37:24] <Mazi>	Are there any native English speakers out there? this is absolutely off topic. I just stumbled upon "continously" vs "continUously". I suppose the first is american English and the second one british English?!? Can someone confirm this?
[13:39:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Option for circumventing automatic localized special-namespace as well as names for special pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9040  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[13:46:04] <RoanKattouw>	Mazi: continuous is the only correct form AFAIK
[13:48:16] <Mazi>	fine, thanks for your feedback
[13:53:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Give 'reset-passwords' right to bureaucrats on Wikimedia private wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13177  summary; +comment (10guillom.pom)
[13:54:21] <werdnum>	Looks like dewiki is making use of the abuse filter
[13:54:22] <werdnum>	http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spezial:Missbrauchfilter-Logbuch&wpSearchFilter=2
[13:55:37] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) ListFiles: Internal Error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17676 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Database; (neubacher)
[13:58:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) ListFiles: Internal Error (Postgres) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17676  15enhancement->normal; summary (10raimond.spekking)
[13:58:59] <Nikerabbit>	ör
[13:59:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Give 'reset-passwords' right to bureaucrats on Wikimedia private wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13177  +comment (10FT2.wiki)
[13:59:11] <werdnum>	bedtiem
[14:01:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Give 'reset-passwords' right to bureaucrats on Wikimedia private wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13177  +comment (10Andrew)
[14:05:02] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Something Strange with SVG - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14336  +comment (10dasch_87)
[14:05:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) plese fix wikibooks Favicon - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17670  (10danny.b)
[14:07:48] <guillom>	werdnum, re 'approve' group, there are some pretty big wikis, I for one prefer not to have to promote / demote several hundreds of accounts :)
[14:07:59] <guillom>	i.e. on the otrs wiki
[14:11:05] <bitbit>	Hi, is there a way to exclude/include more than one namespace in Special:RecentChanges?
[14:11:19] <RoanKattouw>	No
[14:13:07] <bitbit>	How can I do it than
[14:13:33] <RoanKattouw>	You can't
[14:13:52] <RoanKattouw>	Or wait, maybe the API supports it...
[14:14:20] <CrushKing>	whats the diffrence between firefox and internet explorer when using FCKEditor?
[14:14:47] <bitbit>	what API?
[14:15:06] <RoanKattouw>	bitbit: The bot API. Not the most user-friendly option, but it's the only thing that'll do it
[14:15:28] <CrushKing>	i added new special tags to FCKeditor <div...><source>...code...</source></div> and in ff it works great but in ie it deletes the <source> tags OR it does <div..><source></source>...code...</div>
[14:15:31] <RoanKattouw>	e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=recentchanges&rcnamespace=0|1 includes (main) and Talk: and excludes the rest
[14:16:12] <RoanKattouw>	CrushKing: Like someone said before, FCK and IE both suck. Either one could very conceivably be messing stuff up there
[14:16:50] <bitbit>	Yeah I'm familiar with that API... if I had been using that I could have just added a couple of if statements (:
[14:19:12] <CrushKing>	RoanKattouw: ok thanks 
[14:19:28] <bitbit>	those dumbasses at Wikia, that run a wiki I'm editing, added a "blogs" feature into the wiki under several namespaces like "User blog comment:" and "User blog:"
[14:19:46] <RoanKattouw>	Right
[14:19:48] <CrushKing>	RoanKattouw: do you know of any other good (word like) editor for mediawiki? (i need it to be easy for dumb users... REALLY DUMB)
[14:20:04] <RoanKattouw>	!wysiwyg | CrushKing 
[14:20:04] --mwbot--	CrushKing: What You See Is What You Get editors allow you to create articles and see the text formatting without needing to Show Preview. A list of wysiwyg editor extensions may be found at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:WYSIWYG_extensions>. For some discussion, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WYSIWYG_editor>. See also <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Usability>.
[14:25:04] <phuzion>	Hi.  I installed MediaWiki a while back, version 1 13.2.  I want to import the site into SVN on my server so I can update from that, what's the proper way to do so?
[14:26:01] <RoanKattouw>	What do you mean import the site into SVN?
[14:26:11] <RoanKattouw>	You wanna set up an SVN repo containing your site?
[14:27:53] <phuzion>	Yeah
[14:28:06] <phuzion>	that I can do an svn update for
[14:28:30] <RoanKattouw>	Don't you want to do the opposite, i.e. check out MW from SVN?
[14:29:00] <flyingparchment>	putting an entire mediawiki instance into svn seems like an odd thing to do
[14:29:03] <phuzion>	No, I already have mediawiki, which I installed via FTP
[14:29:06] <flyingparchment>	localsettings, perhaps...
[14:29:08] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Allow bureaucrats to revoke sysop status on UK chapter website - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17388  +comment (10rhalsell)
[14:29:16] <phuzion>	and I want to start using SVN
[14:29:20] <phuzion>	so I can update it easily
[14:29:36] <RoanKattouw>	Then you have to check out MW, not put your existing install in an SVN repo
[14:30:04] <RoanKattouw>	You do know that updating from SVN means updating to potentially unstable code right?
[14:30:08] <RoanKattouw>	(it's the bleeding edge stuff)
[14:30:35] <phuzion>	You do realize that not only the bleeding edge code is on SVN, right?  There's also the stable releases
[14:30:52] <phuzion>	svn checkout http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/branches/REL1_14/phase3
[14:30:57] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah I know that
[14:31:03] <flyingparchment>	technically, that's not a release, it's a branch
[14:31:10] <flyingparchment>	the release would be /tags/REL1_14_0/phase3
[14:31:13] <RoanKattouw>	But there's not much of an advantage in using SVN over downloads
[14:31:26] <RoanKattouw>	svn update wouldn't work because different releases are in different places
[14:31:40] <Wegge>	RoanKattouw svn switch ...
[14:31:41] <RoanKattouw>	Downloading a tarball and extracting it on top of your existing install is just as easy
[14:31:55] <RoanKattouw>	Wegge: Yes, it's *possible*, but it's not really easier than tarballls
[14:32:08] <Wegge>	YMOV
[14:32:09] <flyingparchment>	RoanKattouw: it would be easier if you had local modifications
[14:32:36] <flyingparchment>	i killed Roan with my LOGIC!
[14:33:25] <RoanKattouw>	hehe
[14:33:31] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah, then it'd be easier I suppose
[14:33:50] <RoanKattouw>	Unless they conflict :P
[14:34:45] <Wegge>	RoanKattouw I know my usage pattern is different, but I run HEAD, and I'd rather not have to download a tarball for each change.
[14:35:13] <RoanKattouw>	Wegge: The point is that he's not running HEAD, but tags. If he'd been running HEAD, of course SVN would have been easier
[14:35:26] <Wegge>	I know.
[14:35:37] <flyingparchment>	(i think he's actually running the REL1_14 branch, judging by what he said)
[14:35:41] <RoanKattouw>	And "download a tarball for each change" happens every 3 months or so
[14:35:47] <Wegge>	My wordpress is running a tagged release.
[14:36:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Option for circumventing automatic localized special-namespace as well as names for special pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9040  (10email_metawiki_138)
[14:36:16] <Wegge>	I still think it's easier to do the svn switch, instead of having to hunt for renamed or deleted files from the last version after unpacking.
[14:39:37] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah it won't catch renames and deletes, that's true
[14:42:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Option for circumventing automatic localized special-namespace as well as names for special pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9040  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[14:43:23] <Nikerabbit>	I wonder when he starts to hate me, if doesn't do so already :D
[14:44:56] <RoanKattouw>	Nikerabbit: Why don't you tell him that Special:Englishname works on all wikis, so he should just copypaste that?
[14:52:40] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) $wgSpamRegex now also matches the edit summary: BAD!! Don't glue together! - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17677 04CRIT; normal; MediaWiki: Blocking; (jidanni)
[14:53:53] <Nikerabbit>	RoanKattouw: I did
[14:54:13] <Nikerabbit>	oh my god does he not learn
[14:54:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) $wgSpamRegex now also matches the edit summary: BAD!! Don't glue together! - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17677  04CRIT->normal (10roan.kattouw)
[14:55:41] <Mufka>	Is there a way to expire watchlist items?  For example, tag something to be watched for 5 days.
[14:56:07] <Nikerabbit>	short answer: no
[14:56:19] <Mufka>	is there a long answer?
[14:56:51] <Wuzur|rhn>	think there is a bug for that
[14:57:06] <Nikerabbit>	long answer: everything is possible
[14:57:36] <Mufka>	Think it'd be hard to hack it in?
[14:57:55] <Mufka>	Kind of like protect expiration?
[14:58:29] <^demon>	Whoo hacks :)
[15:00:32] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enable the ability for crats on the Arbcom private wiki (English Wikipedia) to also remove crat and sysop - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17201  +comment (10rhalsell)
[15:02:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) $wgSpamRegex should be seperated into summary- and page text-regex - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17677  summary (10WP.Wuzur)
[15:03:32] <Nikerabbit>	Mufka: depends on where and your skills
[15:05:09] <Mufka>	Ideally it would be on en, but I'd like to try it on my own wiki.  My skills are insufficient to try, so I'll just wait or see if there is a request for it.  
[15:07:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Accesskeys conflict with browser keyboard shortcuts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[15:12:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) $wgSpamRegex should be seperated into summary- and page text-regex - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17677  (10jidanni)
[15:21:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) $wgSpamRegex should be seperated into summary- and page text-regex - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17677  (10jidanni)
[15:24:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) $wgSpamRegex should be seperated into summary- and page text-regex - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17677  (10jidanni)
[15:25:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Something Strange with SVG - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14336  +comment (10dasch_87)
[15:32:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Something Strange with SVG - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14336  (10dasch_87)
[15:37:20] <^demon>	Has no one come up with a better description for that bug?
[15:39:22] <flyingparchment>	ahahah, that patch is awesome
[15:41:53] <RoanKattouw>	flyingparchment: "The problem is with X, because when I disable X, it works"
[15:44:53] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Images with special Charakters does not work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17678 04CRIT; normal; MediaWiki: Images; (dasch_87)
[15:46:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Thumbnail generation fails for images with special characters in the title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17678  04CRIT->major; summary (10roan.kattouw)
[15:54:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) $wgSpamRegex should be seperated into summary- and page text-regex - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17677  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[15:56:49] <GerardM->	question .... http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&feed=rss&target=GerardM gives me an RSS feed of my contributions
[15:56:59] <GerardM->	now who would be interested in something like this
[15:57:06] <GerardM->	what is its use case ?? 
[15:57:17] <GerardM->	the only I can come up with are digital stalkers
[15:57:30] <GerardM->	so let us agree that this is a troll feed
[15:58:06] <flyingparchment>	bot owners can watch their bots' edits
[15:58:30] <GerardM->	and trolls can watch their victims
[15:59:02] <flyingparchment>	perhaps, but you said "so let us agree that this is a troll feed".  i don't agree, and provided another use
[15:59:10] <GerardM->	you did
[15:59:36] <GerardM->	as anyone can get one, it makes digital stalking too easy
[15:59:41] <GerardM->	it is not even funny
[16:00:11] <GerardM->	so it is a bot and trol feed
[16:01:10] <GerardM->	fyingparchment, for a bot owner it does make kinda sense
[16:01:26] <^demon>	Hasn't this been brought up before? The "omg public contribs RSS feed, stalkers stalkers!" 
[16:01:35] <GerardM->	except that the bot can report itself wht it is doing
[16:02:01] <GerardM->	so really it does not need rss
[16:02:27] <^demon>	People who are watching over a typically problematic user/ip range?
[16:02:33] <GerardM->	^demon, I have heard of it for the first time
[16:03:04] <^demon>	GerardM-: Someone else brought it up before, if I recall :)
[16:03:20] <GerardM->	it is anonymous ... you do not know that you are watched
[16:03:26] <xentr0n2>	hey guys can someone help me how can i disable numbering in the TOC just show the names to the sections?
[16:03:50] <^demon>	GerardM-: Same with your normal Contributions page, RSS is just a feed of the same data.
[16:03:54] <GerardM->	__NOTOC__ or something like that
[16:04:08] <xentr0n2>	yes but its hiding the hole TOC
[16:04:10] <^demon>	__NOTOC__ disables the TOC entirely. There's no magic word for disabling numbering only.
[16:04:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) $wgSpamRegex should be seperated into summary- and page text-regex - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17677  (10jidanni)
[16:04:16] <^demon>	There's a bug open requesting the feature.
[16:05:07] <GerardM->	^demon but you have to go to the contributions page.. a lot more work
[16:05:34] *^demon 	shrugs
[16:07:07] <^demon>	I can see a few cases where use of it would be justified (watching problematic users, bots, etc)
[16:07:23] <^demon>	Not to mention, Special:Contributions/newbies, which is a helpful feed of all new users.
[16:07:27] <^demon>	That RSS could easily be usable.
[16:11:51] <GerardM->	right so access should be restricted to those cases... and that makes it technically not that easy
[16:12:05] <GerardM->	do we know what RSS feeds we provide ?
[16:12:40] <GerardM->	it would already be something if this could be disabled 
[16:13:36] <^demon>	How do we know what users are problematic and only restrict it to them?
[16:13:40] <flyingparchment>	if someone wants to "stalk" you, they're going to do it whether rss exists or not
[16:13:47] <flyingparchment>	^demon: only allow it for blocked users!
[16:14:00] <^demon>	Whoo, RSS feed of someone who can't edit :D
[16:14:54] <GerardM->	LoL
[16:15:01] <RoanKattouw>	Apart from Special:Contributions, there's also api.php?action=query&list=usercontribs , which also provides easy-to-parse output
[16:15:12] <^demon>	RoanKattouw: Very true.
[16:15:21] <^demon>	There's so many ways to stalk now :)
[16:15:32] <RoanKattouw>	So apart from the format there's no real difference between that and RSS
[16:15:33] <flyingparchment>	poor cool_cat
[16:16:34] <GerardM->	the RSS feed is timely information. with the API you have to go out and ask
[16:16:43] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Something Strange with SVG - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14336  +comment (10dasch_87)
[16:19:31] <^demon>	New component to product Mediawiki, "Device compatibility"
[16:19:31] <^demon>	?
[16:20:06] <Nikerabbit>	hi ^demon 
[16:20:18] <Nikerabbit>	where is dues..
[16:20:27] <flyingparchment>	germany
[16:21:07] <Nikerabbit>	is a country
[16:46:25] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Strang characters on protected pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17679 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (dasch_87)
[16:48:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Strang characters on protected pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17679  (10dasch_87)
[17:07:25] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) colon sometimes URL encoded - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D17680 trivial; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (jidanni)
[17:09:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Strang characters on protected pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17679  (10dasch_87)
[17:10:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Thumbnail generation fails for images with special characters in the title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17678  (10dasch_87)
[17:18:59] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Chinese URL Query Strings: simplified Chinese appearing on a zh-tw site! - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17681 trivial; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (jidanni)
[17:19:05] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Documentation Update - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17682 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (dasch_87)
[17:34:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Chinese URL Query Strings: simplified Chinese appearing on a zh-tw site! - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D17681  +comment (10jidanni)
[17:37:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Thumbnail generation fails for images with special characters in the title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17678  (10dasch_87)
[17:39:07] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Say use BACK key. Else returnToMain will throw away the users edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17683 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (jidanni)
[17:42:23] <Nikerabbit>	lol
[17:42:55] <Nikerabbit>	wikibugs> (NEW) colon sometimes URL encoded - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D17680 trivial;
[17:43:02] <Nikerabbit>	nice url
[17:48:57] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enable DyanmicPageList for Wikimania2009wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17361  +comment (10rhalsell)
[18:02:48] <justin_>	I'm currently getting the following error in my wiki:
[18:02:58] <justin_>	A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:   (SQL query hidden)
[18:02:58] <justin_>	from within function "Article:getHiddenCategories". MySQL returned error "1146: Table 'wikidb.wiki_page_props' doesn't exist (localhost)".
[18:03:25] <Nikerabbit>	did you update recently? run update.php or rerun installer
[18:04:07] <justin_>	I might have, I use the mediawiki package provided by debian
[18:04:16] <Nikerabbit>	yeah
[18:04:28] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Remove {{DISPLAYTITLE:}} restrictions for wm2009wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17307  +comment (10rhalsell)
[18:04:41] <Nikerabbit>	tease those, their update system is probably broken, because you are not the firstone
[18:06:25] <justin_>	Sweet! it worked thanks for the help!
[18:06:58] <Nikerabbit>	justin_: good, if you want to help, try to make debian to fix it :D
[18:08:14] <justin_>	I might send them an email
[18:09:07] <VasilievVV>	brion: now, when 1.14 is released, may I recommit it?
[18:09:20] <VasilievVV>	*it = RestrictUser feature
[18:09:40] <Nikerabbit>	what does it do?
[18:10:33] <VasilievVV>	Nikerabbit: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/45231
[18:11:28] <Nikerabbit>	oh
[18:11:44] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) morebots identica feed needs to trim long messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17684 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (brion)
[18:12:01] <Nikerabbit>	so it is babysitting feature to control those maniacs?
[18:12:51] <VasilievVV>	Not maniacs. Mostly edit war participants
[18:13:01] <^demon>	:-\
[18:13:11] *^demon 	still wants to write per-right blocking, but hasn't gotten around to it.
[18:13:12] <Nikerabbit>	... which are usually maniacs about the subject?
[18:13:22] <VasilievVV>	Not really
[18:13:52] <VasilievVV>	Except it's some topic like Armenia or Azerbaijan
[18:14:09] <Nikerabbit>	or evolution
[18:14:40] <Nikerabbit>	or anything about religion and politics
[18:15:44] <^demon>	Or pretty much anything in ns-0 that one can form an opinion on?
[18:15:54] <Nikerabbit>	yes
[18:20:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Accesskeys conflict with browser keyboard shortcuts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477  (10david)
[18:23:22] <Hubble3000>	from the rel notes for 1.14: Allow <gallery> to accept image names without an Image: prefix
[18:23:31] <Hubble3000>	hmh, doesn't work
[18:23:46] <Hubble3000>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Subfader/GalleryPrefix
[18:24:59] <xentr0n2>	can somebody help me to disable TOC numbering?
[18:25:04] <xentr0n2>	i tried everything
[18:25:35] <Nikerabbit>	Simetrical: aww, should we do something for that bug?
[18:27:39] <Hubble3000>	or am i doing it just wrong? :D file exists though
[18:28:07] <Nikerabbit>	xentr0n2: you can do that from your user preferences
[18:29:36] <xentr0n2>	it's not working with .tocnumber {display: none; } or span.tocnumber {
[18:29:44] <xentr0n2>	 display:none;
[18:30:08] <xentr0n2>	nothing i've tried just a little bit confused
[18:31:45] <Hubble3000>	Preferences > Misc > Auto-number headings
[18:35:03] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Gallery: No Image prefix needed? (not working) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17685 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Images; (subfader)
[18:56:41] <Hubble3000>	did anyone experience problems with recentchanges since 1.14? something shoots my rc table every now and then and the table entry except the last action
[18:57:13] <Hubble3000>	**and the table is empty exept for the last few actions
[18:57:24] <Nikerabbit>	should not happen
[18:57:52] <Nikerabbit>	are you sure you are not just using the changes since date xyx?
[18:59:24] <Hubble3000>	haha no the rc table is really empty except the last 1-4 actions. happened 2 days ago and a few minutes ago.
[18:59:52] <Hubble3000>	may not be since 1.14 only but since i use $wgRCMaxAge
[19:01:00] <Hubble3000>	maybe i used it the wrong way. when the table is purged it looks up $wgRCMaxAge right?
[19:01:35] <Hubble3000>	using $wgRCMaxAge = 2419200; now for 28 days. before i used quotes $wgRCMaxAge = "20 * 24 * 3600";
[19:02:46] <Nikerabbit>	uh
[19:02:57] <Nikerabbit>	Hubble3000: and the problem was happening when using quotes?
[19:02:57] <Hubble3000>	quotes are damn worng right?
[19:03:01] <Nikerabbit>	yes
[19:03:04] <Hubble3000>	yes
[19:03:15] <Nikerabbit>	it is a string, which evaluates to 20 or something
[19:03:19] <Hubble3000>	well, the manual for maxage is not very clear about the usage ;)
[19:03:54] <Nikerabbit>	well, it's php syntax
[19:04:16] <Hubble3000>	well, i fucked it up anyway :P
[19:04:51] <Nikerabbit>	have a cookie
[19:16:52] <oskyldig>	Hello. I've searched for hours and hors but I'm having difficulty finding out how to surpress parameters in a Template that aren't returned in a wiki page.. Any clues?
[19:19:15] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r47834 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (30 files): Localisation updates for core messages from translatewiki.net (2009-02-26 19:05 UTC)
[19:24:49] <Hubble3000>	oskyldig: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help_talk:Templates find "#if"
[19:25:48] <oskyldig>	Hubble3000: Ahh. I neglected to think of that! Thanks!
[19:27:56] <Hubble3000>	you need http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserFunctions
[19:28:36] <oskyldig>	I was just realising that. :)
[19:28:40] <oskyldig>	Cheers!
[19:31:36] <CIA-60>	03minuteelectron * r47835 10/trunk/extensions/Babel/ (5 files): 
[19:31:36] <CIA-60>	Babel:
[19:31:36] <CIA-60>	* Remove excess whitespace and extraneous comments from various files.
[19:31:36] <CIA-60>	* Stylistic improvement and documentation of category auto creation class.
[19:31:36] <CIA-60>	* Language code processing always returns null on invalid language codes, rather than a mixture of null and false.
[19:38:05] <MrZ-man|busy>	!e Collection | Emachman
[19:38:05] --mwbot--	Emachman: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Collection
[19:38:26] *Emachman 	likes how MrZ-man|busy answered in a different channel
[19:38:36] <MrZ-man|busy>	there's no mwbot in -tech
[19:38:49] <MrZ-man|busy>	I can paste it back there if you want
[19:39:25] <Emachman>	Meh
[19:41:03] <CIA-60>	03brion * r47836 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.body.php: Restrict the 'pdf version' link also when $wgCollectionPortletForLoggedInUsersOnly is on
[19:47:03] <Mufka>	Why is it that pages will drop out of categories if they are blanked and then immediately reverted?  Then it takes several days or an edit to get them back into the cat.
[19:47:20] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Please allow sidebar links to be localisable for Wikimania 2009wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17295  +comment (10rhalsell)
[19:47:48] <brion>	Mufka: maybe there's a bug that causes the categories not to get updated?
[19:47:56] <brion>	make sure it's reported in bugzilla.wikimedia.org
[19:48:44] <Mufka>	ok, thanks
[19:48:57] <^demon>	brion: Sounds like job queue lag :(
[19:51:33] <brion>	^demon: not really. job queue wouldn't be involved
[19:52:24] <^demon>	I thought categorylinks was refreshed with job queue?
[19:52:47] <brion>	not on individual page edit
[19:53:25] <IceGuest_75>	Do you have to enter in all quiz types when installing the quiz extention, or are some already in quiz.php?
[19:53:38] <^demon>	brion: Learn something every day.
[19:55:30] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r47837 10/trunk/extensions/ (85 files in 84 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from translatewiki.net (2009-02-26 19:33 UTC)
[19:58:33] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Articles drop out of categories on blanking - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17686 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Categories; (mufka.wiki)
[20:11:01] <CIA-60>	03demon * r47838 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ImagePage.php: Fix regression from r30602. 'noindex,nofollow' was being applied when local page text didn't exist for foreign images. Moved it to where it should be used, with 'noimage'
[20:12:00] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Set up log rotation for pdf1 logs in /opt/local/mwlib/var/log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17687 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (brion)
[20:15:55] <CIA-60>	03rotem * r47839 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/AbuseFilter.i18n.php: Localization update for he.
[20:16:01] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r47840 10/trunk/extensions/InputBox/InputBox.classes.php: (bug 17161) Make 'enter' work right on IE for fulltext type
[20:16:10] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Inputbox search forms do "go" when hitting Enter in Internet Explorer - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17161  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[20:17:28] <brion-lunch>	w00t
[20:17:34] <w00t>	?
[20:17:37] <w00t>	oh
[20:18:10] *AaronSchulz 	snickers
[20:18:20] <Nikerabbit>	brion-lunch: btw, they shipped the laptop today
[20:24:35] <Shivas>	Hello, i want to setup an MediaWiki for our Project. Now I have some Questions. I don't really know what i have to buy. Some people say it's better to take an vServer, but i posted in a host board my request for an setup and so some only advised an normal webhost.... What do you say? I think max 30 people need access later to this page. maybe i also want to host an Forum...
[20:30:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Thumbnail generation fails for images with special characters in the title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17678  (10dasch_87)
[20:36:28] <DaSchTour>	hey guys
[20:36:42] <DaSchTour>	just have a strang problem with my wiki
[20:36:45] <RoanKattouw>	brion-lunch: For when you get back: did you know that ENotif and the "updated since last visit" markers in the history view don't work on meta?
[20:37:38] <root-80686>	Shivas: for mediawiki you should have ssh access
[20:37:42] <DaSchTour>	when I have pictures with characters like ä ü ö the creation of thumbnails
[20:37:53] <root-80686>	so vserver is normally better then a normal webhost
[20:37:54] <DaSchTour>	fails
[20:38:07] <root-80686>	concerning the performance a webhost should be more than enough
[20:38:27] <DaSchTour>	in the debug I see that in execution the special characters ares missing
[20:38:40] <DaSchTour>	did anybody had a similar problem
[20:39:42] <Shivas>	okay root. so i have to search for an vserver which doesnt cost so much money. so one more question. does i need previous knowledge for installing mediawiki and configuring it? because i want to have some safe sections for our project group...
[20:41:37] <DaSch88>	so now I'm logged in
[20:42:10] <DaSch88>	was there any text as my as DaSchTour?
[20:43:13] <solifugus>	How can I turn on debug mode?
[20:43:19] <solifugus>	and get debugging info?
[20:43:32] <RoanKattouw>	!debug | solifugus 
[20:43:32] --mwbot--	solifugus: For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_debug>.
[20:45:00] <DaSch88>	most simple ist $wgDebugComments=true;
[20:45:28] <DaSch88>	and the looking for comments in the source
[20:47:11] <DaSch88>	anybody with problems with special chars in Pictures
[20:47:17] <DaSch88>	???
[20:47:28] <RoanKattouw>	There's a bug about that
[20:47:40] <DaSch88>	yes from me
[20:48:14] <DaSch88>	but I hope that there could be a faster fix
[20:48:55] <DaSch88>	I have the impression that the problem appeard when moving the server from debian 5.0 to ubuntu 8.04
[20:51:21] <DaSch88>	I've just no idea where it comes from
[20:53:24] <CIA-60>	03yaron * r47842 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormUtils.inc: Fix for FCKeditor handling
[20:55:33] <DaSch88>	anybody would like to see it then please look here http://www.wecowi.eu/view/WeCoWi:Spielwiese
[21:00:30] <solifugus>	after power outage and hard-reboot:  Thumbnails are not showing.. they show this, instead:  Error creating thumbnail: Unable to create destination directory
[21:00:39] <CIA-60>	03yaron * r47843 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormPrinter.inc: Added check to prevent PHP notice message
[21:01:00] <solifugus>	The files are kept on an NFS share... it will grab pictures from there..
[21:02:15] <RoanKattouw>	solifugus: Sounds like a permissions problem
[21:06:27] <Emachman>	Urgh
[21:06:35] <Emachman>	Is the API returning fake results still?
[21:07:22] <Emachman>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Main_Page/Protection&action=history
[21:08:21] <RoanKattouw>	Emachman: What do you mean "fake" results?
[21:09:24] <Reedy>	and thats not the api
[21:09:43] <CIA-60>	03yaron * r47844 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/specials/SF_CreateProperty.php: Added new "default form" input
[21:10:57] <^demon>	solifugus: Appears that your web server can't write to the NFS. Not an issue with Mediawiki really :-\
[21:11:56] <Emachman>	RoanKattouw: every hour or so, the API gettemplates function is not returning all the templates.
[21:12:01] <RoanKattouw>	brion: Do you know anything about the ENotif breakage I'm experiencing on Meta? The (updated since last visit) markers on the history view are also broken (as in, they don't appear)
[21:12:07] <Emachman>	Reedy: the bot is using the API
[21:12:17] <Emachman>	I'm talking about:
[21:12:18] <Emachman>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Main_Page/Protection&diff=273496133&oldid=273476995
[21:12:21] <Emachman>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Main_Page/Protection&diff=273496599&oldid=273496133
[21:12:26] <Emachman>	And it just goes back and forth
[21:12:50] <RoanKattouw>	That's not necessarily breakage on the API's side, could be the bot's fault too
[21:12:53] <solifugus>	^demon: but it can write to the nfs share.. I tested that.. well.. at least as root.. not as the apache user
[21:14:09] <Reedy>	root != apache
[21:14:41] <^demon>	solifugus: Try as Apache, not as root :)
[21:15:10] <Emachman>	RoanKattouw: I had it email me the results every time it ran
[21:15:17] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Set up log rotation for pdf1 logs in /opt/local/mwlib/var/log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17687  +comment (10rhalsell)
[21:15:19] <Emachman>	The pure API results
[21:15:25] <Emachman>	And they differed for some reason
[21:15:47] <RoanKattouw>	Emachman: Can you pastebin one correct request+result and one faulty one? Please also include the request URL with query string
[21:16:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Thumbnail generation fails for images with special characters in the title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17678  +comment (10brion)
[21:16:05] <Emachman>	Oh, I see the problem
[21:16:13] <Emachman>	Just simple vandalism to the article
[21:18:22] <RoanKattouw>	heh
[21:19:25] *Reedy 	gives RoanKattouw a cookie
[21:19:25] <solifugus>	^demon: it turns out it was mediawiki caching the page... from when the nfs mount was not mounted..
[21:19:49] <^demon>	solifungus: That would do it :)
[21:19:49] <solifugus>	Is there a way to make mediawiki refresh all of its caching?  
[21:19:51] <RoanKattouw>	Reedy: To what do I owe that? :P
[21:20:12] <^demon>	!wg CacheEpoch | solifugus
[21:20:12] --mwbot--	solifugus: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgCacheEpoch
[21:20:13] <Reedy>	RoanKattouw, generally... and pandering to my api requests ;)
[21:20:14] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Unquoted value in JSON response - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11633  +comment (10russblau)
[21:20:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Accesskeys conflict with browser keyboard shortcuts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477  (10brion)
[21:21:34] <solifugus>	^demon: The $wgCacheEpoch method only told the browsers to uncache..  mediawiki appeared to continue holding its own caches..
[21:21:39] <Danny_B>	brion: could we make the method which takes the message as plaintext accept html entities and not have them escaped?
[21:21:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Thumbnail generation fails for images with special characters in the title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17678  (10dasch_87)
[21:22:01] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Strang characters on protected pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17679  (10dasch_87)
[21:22:17] <Danny_B>	RoanKattouw: you work on api, right?
[21:22:38] <RoanKattouw>	Danny_B: Yeah
[21:22:51] <solifugus>	There must be a way to clear mediawiki's own cache..  cause "$wgCacheEpoch" doesn't appear to do it.
[21:22:57] <brion>	Danny_B: which method is that?
[21:23:12] <^demon>	solifugus: Did you do like it said and set it to now?
[21:23:15] <^demon>	Hmm.
[21:23:23] <CIA-60>	03yaron * r47845 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/languages/SF_Messages.php: Added messages for 'default form' for properties
[21:23:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Thumbnail generation fails for images with special characters in the title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17678  (10brion)
[21:23:42] <Danny_B>	brion: idk :-/ one of those wfMsg i'd say... i never had an order in them... shame on me :-/
[21:23:49] <solifugus>	^demon: I tried that before you even mentioned it.
[21:23:59] <^demon>	What CACHE_ constant are you using?
[21:24:24] <Splarka>	brion: wfMsg(), see http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Edit
[21:24:28] <solifugus>	^demon: don't know what a CACHE_ constant is..
[21:24:41] <RoanKattouw>	brion: Are you aware of the Enotif breakage I mentioned earlier? I'd file a bug, but it works on my local install
[21:25:02] <^demon>	solifugus: In your LocalSettings, what is $wgMainCacheType set to?
[21:25:10] <RoanKattouw>	Danny_B: Why do you ask?
[21:25:21] <RoanKattouw>	Reedy: Which are which ones, again?
[21:25:28] <Splarka>	Roan: because you can't enter &nbsp; literal in some browsers, like mozilla/firefox
[21:25:30] <Danny_B>	RoanKattouw: could you check the root element output on action=opensearch&format=xmlfm ? the xmlns link is ending incorrectly
[21:25:43] <Danny_B>	element *of* output
[21:25:55] <Splarka>	(oops, unless you meant his other question, which you did, nm)
[21:26:12] <Reedy>	RoanKattouw, the huge query pages one ;)
[21:26:34] <Danny_B>	Splarka: but you're right - that's what i exactly have on my mind
[21:26:35] <RoanKattouw>	Danny_B: Ah, autolinker failure, will fix (BTW, using output that way was correct :P as a past tense verb)
[21:27:15] <Danny_B>	RoanKattouw: see the next post ;-)
[21:27:30] <Danny_B>	but thanks for correction anyway
[21:27:34] <solifugus>	^demon: not set, so it must be mediawiki default..
[21:27:55] <solifugus>	This is version 1.12.0  (I am planning on upgrading soon)
[21:27:56] <RoanKattouw>	Reedy: Ah, I'm planning to fix that on my way to Berlin in early April. Late, I know, but I'll be busy until then
[21:28:27] <Splarka>	"the extremely,
[21:28:28] <Splarka>	extremely, extremely useful"
[21:28:30] <RoanKattouw>	Splarka: *confused* what's that &nbsp; stuff about?
[21:28:54] <Splarka>	roan: something that takes plain html text like MediaWiki:Edit, one might assume could allow html entities
[21:29:01] <RoanKattouw>	Right
[21:29:19] <Splarka>	usually an entity isn't strictly required, you can usually put in the actual character
[21:29:21] <Danny_B>	RoanKattouw: want me to file it or you already are aware of it?
[21:29:30] <Splarka>	but for the case of &nbsp; it isn't possible
[21:29:39] <Reedy>	RoanKattouw, :D. its been open since july last year, so a few more months isnt going to hurt :)
[21:29:40] <Splarka>	anyone using firefox/mozilla who later edits it will convert it to a space
[21:29:55] <Danny_B>	correct
[21:30:21] <solifugus>	^demon: i see you point.. I will use $wgMainCacheType next time we have a problem like this..
[21:30:23] <RoanKattouw>	Danny_B: I'm on it
[21:30:23] <brion>	RoanKattouw: make sure it's in bugzilla w/ steps to reproduce :)
[21:30:28] <solifugus>	thanks.. off to a meeting  now
[21:30:29] <RoanKattouw>	brion: OK then
[21:30:33] <Danny_B>	besides sometimes entities are better because of such chars are not in every font. so instead of <unknownchar> character you'll know,what's written there
[21:30:36] <^demon>	solifugus: Glad I could help.
[21:30:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Thumbnail generation fails for images with special characters in the title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17678  (10dasch_87)
[21:30:37] <brion>	some vague issues but we don't know anything specific atm
[21:30:43] <brion>	will see if we can look into it soonish
[21:31:32] <Danny_B>	brion: did you follow the posts about the message or rahter would like a resume?
[21:31:50] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Unquoted value in JSON response - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11633  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[21:32:09] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Activate Collection Extension for generating PDF on all Wikisources - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15970  +comment (10brion)
[21:33:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Thumbnail generation fails for images with special characters in the title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17678  (10dasch_87)
[21:37:48] <RoanKattouw>	Danny_B: Weird, this one doesn't have that issue: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=imageinfo&iiprop=url&generator=allimages
[21:38:54] <Danny_B>	RoanKattouw: i'd suppose only xmlns handling is screwed?
[21:39:19] <Danny_B>	i wish i knew where to look
[21:39:25] <RoanKattouw>	I don't think so, the autolinker doesn't care what it autolinks, it just runs a regex on the raw output
[21:39:31] <RoanKattouw>	ApiFormatBase.php:222
[21:40:00] <Simetrical>	Nikerabbit, it should be pretty easy to add a new user pref to disable accesskeys . . .
[21:40:22] <Simetrical>	If people want to change individual accesskeys, though, they should use their user JS, IMO.
[21:42:06] <CIA-60>	03yaron * r47846 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/ (INSTALL includes/SF_GlobalFunctions.php): New version: 1.5.3
[21:45:24] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r47847 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/ (AbuseFilter.alias.php SpecialAbuseLog.php): 
[21:45:24] <CIA-60>	Show the timestemp in users preference timezone
[21:45:24] <CIA-60>	Tweak special page aliases for 'de'
[21:46:41] <Danny_B>	.* is ugly,can't it be replaced with something more specific?
[21:47:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Thumbnail generation fails for images with special characters in the title - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17678  +comment (10subfader)
[21:47:06] <Skizzerz>	.+
[21:47:12] <Skizzerz>	it's more specific!
[21:47:58] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) New favicon for Wikibooks projects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17049  +comment (10rhalsell)
[21:48:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Accesskeys conflict with browser keyboard shortcuts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477  (10david)
[21:48:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Accesskeys conflict with browser keyboard shortcuts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477  (10michael)
[21:49:03] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r47848 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/SpecialAbuseLog.php: Fix for r47847.
[21:49:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Activate Collection Extension for generating PDF on all Wikisources - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15970  (10jkbwiki)
[21:50:13] <Splarka>	Simetrical: not sure if it is still the case, but it used to be almost impossible to change the accesskey attribute on a form <input> after page render in older Mozilla/Firefox, it would change in the dom but wouldn't have any effect.
[21:50:23] <Splarka>	all you could do is remove and replace the element
[21:50:29] <Splarka>	(in javascript)
[21:50:46] *Danny_B 	is crankig up his regexbuddy
[21:51:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Thumbnail generation fails for images with special characters in the title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17678  (10dasch_87)
[21:52:12] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) E-mail notification, watchlist bolding and "changed since your last visit" markers not working on Meta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17688 major; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (roan.kattouw)
[21:52:19] <RoanKattouw>	!b 17688 | brion 
[21:52:19] --mwbot--	brion: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17688
[21:53:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Unquoted value in JSON response - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11633  (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[21:53:14] <brion>	tx
[21:53:57] <RoanKattouw>	brion: Holy hell I guess it just started working again. Job queue hiccup? I just got 36 notifs for the same page in the past 3 mins
[21:54:03] <brion>	heh
[21:54:05] <brion>	mebbe yeah
[21:55:00] <Splarka>	roan: that is karma for all the bugs people report to you that fix themselves
[21:55:09] <RoanKattouw>	heh
[21:55:14] <Splarka>	heh, like; <Emachman> Just simple vandalism to the article
[21:55:18] <RoanKattouw>	This bug fixed itself *while* I reported it, that's creepy
[21:55:53] <Splarka>	bugs are becoming sentient
[21:56:12] <Splarka>	but that is only fair, many of the bug reporters nowadays aren't!
[21:57:38] <Splarka>	Simetrical: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=290801
[21:58:57] <Simetrical>	Splarka, yay!
[22:00:12] <Splarka>	> the problem is that some of the elements don't implement accesskeys in the node, but in the frame.  For example, text inputs do this (presumably because the accesskey is meaningless if the frame is not existent).
[22:02:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) E-mail notification, watchlist bolding and "changed since your last visit" markers not working on Meta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17688  (10brion)
[22:03:12] <Danny_B>	that's a dupe
[22:03:27] <Danny_B>	that doesn't work anywhere and there's some generalbug
[22:06:03] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) E-mail notification, watchlist bolding and "changed since your last visit" markers not working on Meta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17688  +comment (10danny.b)
[22:06:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) The "changed since last visit" flag is not working correctly (watchlist items bold randomly etc.) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10172  +comment (10danny.b)
[22:08:00] <brion>	yay
[22:08:52] <Splarka>	duping a new bug for a current new problem to an old general intermittent problem doesn't make the bug go away, except in this case the bug already went away and was unrelated...
[22:15:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) $wgSpamRegex should be seperated into summary- and page text-regex - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17677  +comment (10Platonides)
[22:18:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) $wgSpamRegex should be seperated into summary- and page text-regex - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17677   +easy (10brion)
[22:18:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) $wgSpamRegex should be seperated into summary- and page text-regex - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17677  (10brion)
[22:23:18] <Nihiltres>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Book/render_article/&arttitle=Plutonium&oldid=273395778&writer=rl --> The POST request to http://pdf1.wikimedia.org:8080/mw-serve/ failed (Operation timed out with 0 out of -1 bytes received).
[22:24:44] <Nihiltres>	--> The POST request to http://pdf1.wikimedia.org:8080/mw-serve/ failed (connect() timed out!).
[22:25:10] <Nihiltres>	--> The POST request to http://pdf1.wikimedia.org:8080/mw-serve/ failed (couldn't connect to host).
[22:25:20] <Nihiltres>	:p
[22:25:52] <Nihiltres>	oh, here's a new one
[22:25:53] <Nihiltres>	--> The POST request to http://pdf1.wikimedia.org:8080/mw-serve/ failed (Operation timed out after 3000 milliseconds with 0 bytes received).
[22:27:31] <brion>	Nihiltres: that's to be expected as we're rebooting that machine atm
[22:27:39] <Nihiltres>	ah
[22:27:51] <Nihiltres>	I was mainly commenting on the variety in the error messages
[22:28:09] <Nihiltres>	It looks cool when it works, though
[22:29:05] <Nihiltres>	:)
[22:29:21] *Nihiltres 	heads off to let the magic be more efficiently wrought
[22:34:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) The "changed since last visit" flag is not working correctly (watchlist items bold randomly etc.) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10172  (10JSchulz_4587)
[22:44:13] <natbet>	is there a way to make mediawiki get user's username/password from another database?
[22:44:50] <Splarka>	!authentication
[22:44:50] --mwbot--	See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:User_identity_extensions for a list of external/shared user authentication extensions. Also see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/AuthPlugin for an overview on creating your own.
[22:58:51] <mitixi>	Hi, I would like to ease the creation of internal links for users. We use Link suggest and FCKEditor that both show the input box after clicking a link button where typing a few letters of page name-link the list the possible pages appear. The problem is it only works for the main namespace. Is this possible to have link suggestion for all name spaces including custom ones?
[23:00:12] <mitixi>	or are there any other extensions dealing wit link creation that handle all the name spaces?
[23:04:55] <tekmosis>	Based on this http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Interwiki#Field_documentation I enabled transclusion, but how do I actually use it to use a template from wiki A on wiki B?
[23:05:46] <Reedy>	interwiki is for wikilinks..
[23:06:04] <Reedy>	You want http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgEnableScaryTranscluding IIRC
[23:06:12] <Reedy>	(aswell)
[23:06:30] <tekmosis>	Yes, I've done that also but that page mentions that iw_trans needs to be set to 1, which I've also done
[23:06:44] <tekmosis>	but I don't see anything on actual usage
[23:06:48] <Reedy>	then presumably {{iw:test}
[23:06:49] <Reedy>	}
[23:08:04] <tekmosis>	Doing that just results in {{iw:test}} being displayed as normal text
[23:19:34] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) plese fix wikibooks Favicon - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17670  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[23:19:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New favicon for Wikibooks projects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17049  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[23:21:01] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) New favicon for Wikibooks projects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17049  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[23:23:17] <techman224>	In r47848, Special:SpecialPages isn't working
[23:23:28] <techman224>	It just shows a blank white page
[23:29:25] <Splarka>	techman224: any idea what revision it last worked for you in?
[23:30:02] <techman224>	It might be the latest localization updates
[23:30:16] <techman224>	I'm reverting to a revision before it
[23:32:47] <techman224>	Not it
[23:33:27] <Splarka>	got any more? like error logs? or a list of people who have a vendetta against you and commit access? list of ex-girlfriends with your root password?
[23:42:05] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r47849 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/abusefilter.tables.sql: Convert afl_var_dump to a LONGBLOB
[23:43:48] <techman224>	Sparka, I use Windows :)
[23:44:40] <techman224>	Splarka, it only affects Special:SpecialPages 
[23:44:45] <techman224>	Al others are fine
[23:46:37] <Splarka>	any more infos, I mean
[23:46:50] <Splarka>	+t
[23:50:03] <techman224>	Sparka, i'm disabling extensions one by one to see if it's one of them
[23:51:32] <techman224>	Sparka, It is not my extensions
[23:51:42] <techman224>	It has to do with Mediawiki itself
[23:52:02] <Splarka>	how about when logged out?
[23:57:03] <MrZ-man|busy>	techman224: what extensions are you using?
[23:58:00] <techman224>	MrZ-man|busy Special:Version doesn't work
[23:58:15] <Splarka>	<techman224> Splarka, it only affects Special:SpecialPages 
[23:58:15] <Splarka>	<techman224> Al others are fine
[23:58:16] <Splarka>	wat
[23:58:35] <techman224>	Splarka, and special:version