too - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12158 (10PhiLiP.NPC) [15:32:06] <Subfader> added link=: Will display an image without link, e.g. [[File:Name.jpg|link=]]. [15:35:07] <Splarka> yep, it will, but won't work with thumb, same as link=Somelink [15:42:30] <Subfader> that's because of the template. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Subfader/NoLinkOnImage works :) [15:50:37] <riesss> hi [15:50:50] <riesss> any1 around to help an absolute newbie? [15:51:09] <Danwe> hi [15:51:17] *NetHunter wonders if there's a way to count the number of sections in wikitext using the parser [15:51:24] <NetHunter> riesss: hi [15:51:26] <Danwe> what exactly does this message mean: ?1267: Illegal mix of collations (latin1_bin,IMPLICIT) and (utf8_general_ci,COERCIBLE) for operation '=' (localhost)?. [15:51:49] <Subfader> Splarka: Hmh works now in template. Added 2 examples [15:51:58] <Danwe> Actually I get this often with one of my templates [15:52:16] <Subfader> Just dn't understand what the |caption is all about there [15:53:39] <riesss> ok, how do I change the stuff in the navigation menu? [15:53:55] <Splarka> !sidebar | riesss [15:53:55] --mwbot-- riesss: To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar>. [15:54:23] <Splarka> NetHunter: like total number of <h1> to <h6>, or number of just <h2>? [15:54:25] <riesss> thx splarka [15:54:59] <Splarka> Subfader: without a frame or thumb, the caption is just the alt text [15:55:32] <Splarka> with a frame or thumb, the alt text can be assigned separately, with alt= [15:55:43] <Subfader> I think it's useless in the You type section? [15:55:56] <catsup> i'm wondering if anyone can help me out navigating wikimedia source code. i would like to rip out the sql backend for page history and replace it with git [15:55:58] <Subfader> *You type col [15:56:27] <Splarka> it is optional, anyway, perhaps there should be another example without it [15:56:55] <Subfader> it comes from the template, couldn't remove it though. [15:57:27] <catsup> is this even feasible? should i look at another wiki? [15:57:54] <Splarka> catsup: I think someone has tried that before, actually [15:58:16] <catsup> 'tried'? [15:58:46] <catsup> jyte.com/cl/using-a-git-repository-rather-than-a-database-for-the-backend-of-a-wiki-is-a-nice-idea [15:59:04] <catsup> ikiwiki.info/tips/laptop_wiki_with_git/ oh wow [15:59:23] <Splarka> well, I just have vague memories of it, you could grep http://is.gd/3pEd if you have a few free hrs [15:59:56] <catsup> pft [16:00:01] <catsup> nevermind [16:00:10] <catsup> apparently there's already git-backed wikis [16:00:18] <catsup> i'm not going to write another one! :p [16:00:46] <Splarka> heh [16:00:52] <catsup> it'd sure be nice to have mediawiki features but not that nice [16:02:17] <Splarka> hmm, maybe I misremember, maybe someone wrote an /svn/ backend for mediawiki [16:06:34] <catsup> http://git-wiki.kicks-ass.org/ [16:09:11] <Subfader> Some dev could guess when this will theís will be solved? https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1211 [16:09:41] <Nikerabbit> Subfader: maybe in three years [16:09:53] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) tooltip mismatch in diff, zh-tw - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D17736 trivial; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (jidanni) [16:10:04] <Subfader> Thought so :D Thinking about manipulating CategoryPage.php myself but my php skills suck and would take me ages of trial & error [16:13:29] <catsup> in 3 years you could learn to hack :D [16:13:52] <Nikerabbit> if it would be easy, it would be solved [16:14:43] <catsup> Nikerabbit: oh is that how it works? [16:14:55] <Nikerabbit> what? [16:16:03] <catsup> i've seen a lot of projects with easy bugs unfixed :p [16:16:17] <catsup> ... and i didn't fix them [16:16:18] <Nikerabbit> then they are controversial [16:16:40] <catsup> naw i just didn't care [16:16:58] <Nikerabbit> then they were ignored [16:18:13] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Wikilinks in subtitles should be ignored in PDF - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17732 normal->15enhancement; +comment (10support) [16:18:43] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Subcategory paging is not separate from article or image paging - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1211 +comment (10subfader) [16:19:50] <Nikerabbit> uga [16:20:23] <Nikerabbit> Subfader: the problem: it is slow! [16:20:40] <Subfader> thought so. is just about the 3 queries? [16:21:35] <Subfader> 3 split queries is more db load than the 1 as is? [16:22:12] <MinuteElectron> well, yes [16:22:21] <MinuteElectron> especially as the db queries will have an additional condition [16:22:33] <MinuteElectron> which may or may not have a key [16:22:37] <MinuteElectron> index [16:24:02] <Subfader> hmh i don't understand that but from neebie thinking: if amazon can list a fuckload of different but related information on one product page why can't CategoryPage? [16:25:07] <MinuteElectron> that's a naive suggestion [16:25:12] <Nikerabbit> because they have truckloads of servers? [16:26:09] <OverlordQ> Subfader: because amazon makes a lot more money to hire a lot more developers? [16:26:32] <Subfader> i knew the question was good [16:27:51] <Splarka> all those, and because it makes them money [16:28:16] <Splarka> comparing apples to clockwork oranges [16:28:50] <catsup> fuck amazon [16:29:00] <Subfader> just wanted to understand why it is so hard and would be slow [16:30:15] <Subfader> cos if it would really be unacceptable slow i don't to start manipulating CategoryPage with my bad php skills [16:30:32] <catsup> uh [16:31:33] <Subfader> i def want to get rid of the merged navigation of the 3 section so i can start categorizing images [16:32:17] <catsup> Subfader: the software has a certain design, which imposes limitations [16:32:32] <catsup> in order to remove the limitations, a great deal of reimplementation with a new design may be necessary [16:32:51] <catsup> it's like adding a new floor to a house [16:32:53] <Subfader> would use plain mysql queries [16:32:56] <catsup> sometimes it requires relaying the foundation [16:34:01] <catsup> you can't look at the empire state building and say: "if they can have 100 floors, why can't i add one?" [16:34:21] <Subfader> not the same imo [16:34:33] <catsup> lol [16:34:33] <catsup> your opinion [16:34:34] <OverlordQ> it'd be like trying to add a new floor between the 36th and the 37th [16:34:48] <catsup> this is just an analogy to help you understand [16:35:00] <Splarka> OverlordQ: put it on the top and start moving furniture! heh [16:35:32] <catsup> hire some thugs to evict the tenants on 37 :p [16:35:45] <NicDumZ> hehe secret floor. [16:35:55] <Subfader> CategoryPage uses 1 query resulting $articles which is used for displaying the 3 sections. Shouldn't be hard to make it 3 queries to make it $subcat, $article, $file [16:35:58] <catsup> reorder the buttons on the elevator [16:36:08] <Splarka> or pull a Being John Malkovitch, make two half floors [16:36:25] <Splarka> -t [16:38:35] <Subfader> It's not that I don't believe you guys, but c'mon, 3 queries and splitted presentation of the results can't be hard? That's how I understand it. [16:40:00] <OverlordQ> have you compared these queries? Are they faster? Slower? [16:40:16] <catsup> i haven't even looked at the code but your reasoning here is not good -- even if it isn't hard, you cannot say that it "can't be hard" [16:40:57] <catsup> it may or may not be hard, but it certainly can be hard [16:41:32] <Subfader> bug is 4 years old ;) [16:42:07] <catsup> there are two factors, the apparent effort necessary and the apparent improvement resulting [16:42:32] <catsup> i mean factors in the motivation of the hacker [16:43:24] <Subfader> the resulted improvement is undoubtable? question is if it's really slow or acceptable for a bit slowliness [16:45:03] <NicDumZ> without schema change [16:45:08] <NicDumZ> it's really slow [16:45:08] <wikibugs> 04(REOPENED) consider adding patch instructions, as recommended by patch man page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17724 normal->trivial; normal->lowest; summary; +comment (10jidanni) [16:45:18] <NicDumZ> we're talking of a whole-db scan [16:46:03] <MattHardwick> Is there a plugin that will allow me to authenticate users against a IMAP server? [16:46:36] <Subfader> ok thanks for convincing me. saves me some time. i stop beating the dead horse ;) [16:46:52] <NicDumZ> MattHardwick, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AuthIMAP ? [16:48:00] <MattHardwick> NicDumZ: Sweet thanks! [16:48:26] <Splarka> still seems like a dumb setup [16:48:28] <NicDumZ> MattHardwick, you're welcome, hitting search for 'imap' in the offical wiki did the trick. easy :) [16:48:46] <Splarka> if subcategories are the same as pages, they should be mixed in with the pages, or not treated the same as pages [16:48:49] <MattHardwick> really? I didn't think it would be that easy! :P [16:49:17] <Splarka> (but schema changes still hurts us, precious) [16:49:37] <wikibugs> 03(mod) consider adding patch instructions, as recommended by patch man page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17724 (10jidanni) [16:50:17] <Subfader> maybe i want it so urgently cos categories play a major role in my wiki [16:50:53] <Splarka> the API can filter by namespace [16:52:37] <Splarka> 0.006526 1 - query: SELECT cl_from,cl_sortkey,page_namespace,page_title,page_id FROM `page`,`categorylinks` FORCE INDEX (cl_sortkey) WHERE (cl_from=page_id) AND cl_to = 'X' ORDER BY cl_sortkey LIMIT N [16:53:41] <Splarka> perhaps a simple namespace filter in the UI would be possible... it looks like the problem in the patches proposed in 1211 are the exclusion of one namespace from the results (ew) [16:57:12] <kopf> One of the tips on the wiki is "Temporarily remove all indexes and auto_increment fields from the following tables: page, revision and text. This gives a tremendous speed bump, because MySQL will otherwise be updating these indexes after each insert." [16:57:25] <kopf> Can I suspend (^Z) my java process, do this, and then resume it? [16:57:40] <Splarka> ugh, the API filter is extremely slow: 18.594339 1 - query: SELECT cl_from,cl_sortkey,page_namespace,page_title,page_id FROM `page`,`categorylinks` FORCE INDEX (cl_sortkey) WHERE (cl_from=page_id) AND cl_to = 'X' ORDER BY cl_sortkey LIMIT N [16:57:52] <Splarka> 19 seconds for Category:Unprintworthy_redirects [16:58:11] <Splarka> Subfader: campaign for a schema change [16:58:23] <Splarka> 0.081930 1 - -total [16:58:25] <Splarka> for no filter [16:58:28] <Subfader> and not :D [16:58:43] <Subfader> well, $wgEnableAPI = false; [16:58:48] <Splarka> about 250 times slower [16:59:01] <Subfader> that's an argument. [16:59:28] <Splarka> yes, so is "2 plus 2 equals 5" [16:59:40] <Splarka> but not one you are likely to win by repetitive requesting [17:00:10] <Subfader> i c was my first though [17:00:28] <Splarka> just request a separate index for subcategories, then all will be happy [17:00:46] <Subfader> only subcats are the problem? [17:01:36] <Splarka> all namespaces are a "problem", but you seem to specifically care about subcats? [17:02:09] <Subfader> not in this context. cats with articles don't have subcats on my wiki :) [17:02:21] *Splarka stabs ya [17:02:31] <Splarka> 0.000966 1 - query: SELECT cl_from,cl_sortkey,page_namespace,page_title,page_id FROM `page`,`categorylinks` FORCE INDEX (cl_sortkey) WHERE (cl_from=page_id) AND cl_to = 'X' ORDER BY cl_sortkey LIMIT N [17:02:34] <Splarka> 17.921302 1 - query: SELECT cl_from,cl_sortkey,page_namespace,page_title,page_id FROM `page`,`categorylinks` FORCE INDEX (cl_sortkey) WHERE (cl_from=page_id) AND cl_to = 'X' ORDER BY cl_sortkey LIMIT N [17:03:03] <Splarka> first is with no namespace specified, second just searches NS_TALK [17:03:32] <Splarka> on en.wp with a category with half a million members [17:03:53] <Splarka> that is a factor of 18,522:1 and that is NO argument [17:04:00] <Subfader> and no image is categorized by now cos of teh merged navigation. my cats often list more than 200 articles. then allimages are hidden at the end of the list with no indication that there are images. so i didn't start categorizing images yet. too confusing for my users [17:04:18] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) remove session info from URL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17737 trivial; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (jidanni) [17:04:18] <Splarka> filtering by namespace without an index is totally not worth the cost [17:06:03] <Simetrical> It depends on the result set. If you know it contains a significant percentage of rows with that namespace, the index may not be necessary, or even worth it. [17:06:10] <Simetrical> In this case, that's not likely, though. [17:06:58] <Subfader> so if only the subcats query is the prob i may start seperating the images query and present the images with an own navigation. should work. [17:07:34] <Splarka> it affects all namespaces [17:08:01] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Installarion of 'Category On Upload' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17738 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (smihael) [17:08:17] <Splarka> that don't have their custom hacky index (does Image/File? I never pay attention to mixed pages/images in cats) [17:08:34] <Subfader> find all images linked to the category name, order by sth, limit 20? [17:09:20] <Splarka> Simetrical: so what would make more sense, separate category indexes for ns14 and nd6, or a separate table sorted by namespace? [17:09:25] <Splarka> er ns6 [17:09:33] <Subfader> would only list real images on category pages thopugh [17:09:34] *Splarka doesn't know from teh sql [17:09:54] <Splarka> hmm, should file: and media: have separate categorization? heh [17:09:59] <Splarka> could be useful [17:10:23] <Splarka> regular uploads have a File: page and a media attached, shared repository can have just the media, created pages in NS6 can have just the page [17:10:46] <Subfader> i hate files thumbnails ;) [17:11:01] <Splarka> there is a magic word for that [17:11:11] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Norwegian Wiktionary logo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17739 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Images; (v85.wikipedia) [17:11:38] <Subfader> cool checking [17:12:13] <Splarka> also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Splarka/togglegallery.js [17:12:47] <Splarka> Subfader: __NOGALLERY__ on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words#Behaviour_switches [17:12:56] <Splarka> used for Fair Use image categories on en.wp for example [17:13:21] <Subfader> ok for gallery. i don't have any yet :D [17:14:10] <Subfader> i mean the plain white thumbnails on File Pages that are not images [17:14:15] *Splarka needs to update that for File: [17:14:20] <Splarka> ahh [17:14:26] <Subfader> and elsewhere like new files [17:14:28] <Splarka> yah, those suck [17:14:58] <Subfader> furthermore i hate small icons being scaled to max width :) [17:15:31] <Subfader> in lists using gallery [17:15:33] <Splarka> heh [17:16:01] <Splarka> I fixed that once... what did I do... [17:16:03] *Emachman wonders when AF will go live on enwiki [17:16:16] <Subfader> http://www.mixesdb.com/db/index.php/Category:MixesDB_Images [17:17:10] <Subfader> oh i DO have categorized images. well the other 2000 are not :D [17:18:23] *Splarka wonders if there is a way to disable thumbnails in all categories automagically [17:18:36] <Splarka> (probably a global somewhere) [17:20:28] <Splarka> huh, $wgCategoryMagicGallery imagine that [17:23:52] <Subfader> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3510 [17:25:29] <Splarka> well, sometimes you gotta scale up [17:25:45] <Subfader> $wgCategoryMagicGallery = false; lists images under F in the article list. the unlogic in this prevents me from using it ;) [17:25:59] <Splarka> DEFAULTSORTKEY them then ^_^ [17:26:27] <Subfader> lol [17:26:42] <Splarka> with {{PAGENAME}} [17:26:52] <Splarka> instead of {{FULLPAGENAME}} as is default [17:27:03] <Subfader> should be an own list in the Images or Media section [17:27:07] <Splarka> hmm [17:27:07] <Splarka> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgCategoryPrefixedDefaultSortkey [17:27:12] <Splarka> should be one of these for every namespace [17:27:27] <Splarka> $wgDefaultSortkeyNamespaces or something [17:27:51] <Subfader> no the point is it aren't Articles [17:28:07] <Splarka> right, but some content namespaces should ignore the namespace in categories [17:28:20] <Splarka> like Manual: and Extension: on mw.org [17:28:40] <Subfader> if i change the view of the Image list I want them to be listed in the Images list [17:28:50] <Splarka> then you could see Manual:Images and Extension:ImageMap and Help:Images in the same ==I== heading [17:31:42] <Subfader> ok Headline is Pages not Articles. makes a difference. but files should still be listed under Media and not in the Pages list [17:32:14] <Subfader> i customized my wiki so much i must always check mediawiki.org to see how it's originally [17:33:40] <Subfader> so what about the icons being scaled up in galleries bug? is there a bug report already? [17:36:11] <Subfader> is it this? https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3510 dunno if understand the report correctly [17:37:57] <Splarka> hmm [17:38:27] <Splarka> it didn't used to scale them up, I remember http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Custom_edit_buttons used to show them at regular size [17:38:35] <Splarka> because I used this css to remove the padding: .page-Category_Custom_edit_buttons .gallerybox .thumb { padding:0 !important; } [17:38:44] <Splarka> but that was years and years ago [17:41:06] <Subfader> ah ok that was when you ment to fixed it already? would prefer it not per page. thumb size differs per user size [17:41:44] *Splarka blinks [17:42:03] <Splarka> yah, it used to show smaller files as just floating tiny <img> in the gallery table [17:42:12] <Splarka> so it is "fixed" now in that they're all consistent sizes, heh [17:42:46] <Subfader> ok if that is prefered no bug report [17:43:06] <Splarka> well, I don't like it personally, browser scaling sucks [17:43:39] <Subfader> it sucks because it makes them unreadable [17:44:13] <Subfader> you have to think what is shown on it. never force your users to use brain! [17:47:50] <Subfader> smae for file page thumbnails http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WikEd_logo.png [17:56:15] <Subfader> this can't be the prefered way to display thumbnails. may work for svg or some png though but properly up-scaled icons it let you think there is this or a bigger filesize [17:56:27] <Subfader> badly up-scaled icons are not readable and let you think the image has a bad quality [17:59:01] <Subfader> user option: [ ] Display thumbnails of small images in original size. [18:06:55] <riesss> hi [18:09:27] <riesss> when I try to edit the sidebar there is written Editing $1 and nothing is in the edit box [18:13:21] <Subfader> MediaWiki:Sidebar ? [18:15:49] <riesss> yes [18:18:29] <CIA-60> 03siebrand * r47910 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesBar.php: Import compatible messages already translated at bar.wikipedia.org [18:19:11] <Subfader> odd. try to enter sth though [18:23:21] <riesss> h [18:25:27] <riesss> ok, I keep on trying to edit the sidebar [18:25:33] <riesss> but I wont get it [18:25:43] <riesss> I even cant get to the edit page [18:25:53] <riesss> http://www.ersti.tk/wiki/MediaWiki:Sidebar [18:26:09] <riesss> is anybody able to get me the correct link? [18:29:17] <Splarka> new, nasty frames [18:29:32] <Splarka> riesss: http://www.ersti.myownfreeweb.com/index.php/MediaWiki:Sidebar?action=edit [18:29:45] <riesss> great, thx alos [18:30:12] <riesss> yes, ! it works [18:35:05] <Subfader> Huh? nothing happens when you preview your user monobook.js [18:35:18] <Subfader> Tip: Use the 'Show preview' button to test your new css/js [18:36:00] <Subfader> it doesn't display the text [18:37:29] <Subfader> riess: you won't have much joy with editing :D [18:38:05] <Subfader> or always use http://www.ersti.myownfreeweb.com [18:38:31] <riesss> ok, now i know [18:38:57] <Splarka> Subfader: depends on what you're doing, some JS doesn't like to be previewed like that [18:39:02] <Splarka> like document.write() crap [18:39:30] <Subfader> ok just added your togglegallery.js to my js [18:39:45] <Splarka> well, it won't do anything on preview [18:39:50] <Splarka> since there are no galleries [18:40:19] <Splarka> on a monobook.js page ^_^ [18:40:26] <Subfader> ok i takes affect in preview. expected the text in syntax highlight [18:40:38] <Splarka> wat [18:40:46] <Splarka> it only works on Category pages, but it has a bug too [18:40:52] <Subfader> or sth else. [18:40:54] <Splarka> well, not a bug [18:40:58] <Splarka> var gtMatchPath = '/wiki/Image:'; [18:41:01] <Splarka> you have to change that to File: [18:41:08] <Splarka> or the local localisation of file: [18:41:11] *Splarka will fix that [18:41:17] <Subfader> k testing [18:41:29] <Splarka> I wrote this before the ns move [18:42:02] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) unwanted tags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17740 minor; normal; Kate's Tools: General/Unknown; (rahul.choubey) [18:43:44] <wikibugs> 03(mod) unwanted tags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17740 (10rahul.choubey) [18:44:08] <riesss> is it possible to change the size of the font used in the sidebar? Read the faq, but didnt find it [18:44:40] <Splarka> you can do it with CSS [18:44:48] <riesss> uhh [18:44:53] <Splarka> but be careful not to change the p-cactions too (so don't just do #column-one) [18:44:55] <Splarka> heh [18:45:06] <Splarka> well, which boxes do you want to make the text bigger on? navigation/search/toolbox? [18:45:13] <riesss> ok, I will let that happen some time in the future and go on creating some content [18:45:14] <riesss> thx [18:45:41] <riesss> I�d like to make the text bigger in "vorlesung" box [18:46:21] <Splarka> .generated-sidebar .pBody {font-size:110%} [18:46:36] <Subfader> re context: it's MediaWiki not Media Wiki ;) [18:47:35] <Splarka> ^ add that to http://www.ersti.myownfreeweb.com/index.php/MediaWiki:Monobook.css [18:52:30] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Make Special:Unreviewed Pages sortable by age - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17741 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (pbirken) [18:52:41] <riesss> YEAH, cool [18:53:11] <riesss> at first I tried to change the file through FTP, then I noticed what You mean... [18:53:13] <Subfader> Splarka: I tried with var gtMatchPath = '/db/index.php/File:'; and /db/index.php/File: and added __NOGALLERY__ to a cat with images. it only lists the file page links [19:03:15] <Splarka> Subfader: addPortletLink('p-tb','javascript:galleryToggleOff() ... [19:03:23] <Splarka> it adds a button to the toolbox to toggle it [19:03:37] <Splarka> but note it always toggles [19:04:01] <Splarka> you could, however, use the code to adapt it into an automated system that only toggled one way for yourself [19:05:09] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) zh-tw page names use many synonyms for URLs, e.g., <a href=BIG>LARGE</a> - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17742 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (jidanni) [19:18:38] <NotASpider> anyone noticed that the "(previous 50)" link in special:whatlinkshere doesn't work more than once [19:19:23] <NotASpider> that is if you hit "next" 2+ times you cannot use the other button to get back to where you were [19:21:09] <NotASpider> because &from= and &back= have the same page_id in the url, which is also that of the first page listed [19:21:40] <NotASpider> but somehow it knows it's not at the beginning as the link is still blue [19:24:07] <Splarka> that looks buggy yah [19:24:29] <Splarka> searched for open bugs? [19:26:23] *Splarka doesn't see any edits to those from/back bits for ~6 months [19:28:17] <Splarka> CharlotteWebb: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9487 [19:36:50] <Simetrical> Splarka, currently I favor just prepending a magic byte to the existing cl_sortkey to indicate the namespace. [19:40:19] <Splarka> Simetrical: sneeky slash evil [19:40:30] <Splarka> but would that slow down regular sorting as well? [19:40:54] <Simetrical> When would we ever do regular sorting? [19:40:59] <Splarka> what is annoying is that the default sortkey is the pagename + namespace [19:41:07] <Splarka> er ns + pn [19:41:09] *Splarka shrugs [19:41:13] <Simetrical> It would just always sort as subcats/pages/files. [19:41:49] <Splarka> {{sofixit}} [19:41:56] <Splarka> any word on bug:9487? heh [19:49:10] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Make Special:Unreviewed Pages sortable by age - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17741 (10JSchulz_4587) [20:05:27] <CIA-60> 03aaron * r47911 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Export.php: Log dump cleanup for WikiExporter::STREAM [20:12:37] <Subfader> how can i let a red link appear blue without creating the page? color is in the created a tag :/ [20:16:25] <Reedy> Subfader, CSS? [20:16:38] <Splarka> .nored a.new {color: #002bb8;} [20:16:42] <Subfader> not all redlinks [20:16:51] <Splarka> .nored a.new:visited {color: #5a3696;} [20:17:00] <Splarka> <span class="nored">[[foo]]</span> [20:17:05] <Subfader> just a certain cos i want to link to a non-existing special page so i can't create it [20:17:19] <Splarka> hmm [20:17:22] <Subfader> ah damn [20:17:24] <Subfader> ;D [20:17:27] <Splarka> there may be another way [20:18:22] <Subfader> thinking around 5 corners today [20:19:38] <Subfader> i like the ajaxbatchdelete.js too bad you can't find such user scripts searching for extensions [20:20:03] <Splarka> <span class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:Special:Nosuchspecial}} Special:Nosuchspecial]</span> [20:20:23] <Splarka> ^ you could template that, though it would be interwiki-colored, but no CSS needed [20:20:59] <Subfader> i like nored :) [20:22:18] <Subfader> saves me from removing more plainlink spans soon ;) [20:22:21] <Merlissimo> can sb explain me why a new line is insert at the first line according to the diff http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=57314811 [20:22:22] <Merlissimo> I cannot see the new line in wikitext-mode [20:39:53] <Splarka> looks like a diff hiccup [20:41:27] <Splarka> hmmmm [20:41:30] <Splarka> Merlissimo: http://de.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&rvprop=content&revids=57312879|57314811 [20:41:34] <Splarka> the newline is actually there [20:41:35] <NotASpider> ok thanks, i knew it would be a duplicate but i can never find any [20:41:46] <NotASpider> hell even a wiki would be easier to search [20:41:48] <NotASpider> than bugzilla [20:41:55] <Splarka> NotASpider: it has been broken a long time, yah [20:44:37] <Splarka> Merlissimo: it is reproducable [20:44:46] <Splarka> http://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3ASplarka%2Fsand&diff=68580&oldid=66120 [20:44:55] <Merlissimo> bug must be in edit module, because the site ist create from a template which is substed [20:45:07] <Merlissimo> [[de:Benutzer:MerlBot/Tagesseiten/L�schkandidaten.js]] [20:45:15] <Splarka> http://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Splarka/sand&action=edit&oldid=66120 http://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Splarka/sand&action=edit&oldid=68580 [20:45:30] <Splarka> the bug seems to be... [20:45:36] <Splarka> that it lets you save whitespace before the first line [20:45:48] <Splarka> and then trims it when generating the <texarea> [20:46:01] <Splarka> hmm [20:46:07] <Splarka> although actually, the textarea is correct [20:46:12] <Splarka> <textarea name="wpTextbox1" id="wpTextbox1" cols="80" rows="25" tabindex="1" accesskey=","> [20:46:13] <Splarka> <div style="position:relative;"> [20:46:14] <Merlissimo> can you create the bugreport? [20:46:18] <Splarka> vs [20:46:20] <Splarka> <textarea name="wpTextbox1" id="wpTextbox1" cols="80" rows="25" tabindex="1" accesskey=","><div style="position:relative;"> [20:46:33] <Splarka> so I actually don't think it is a bug [20:46:36] <Merlissimo> my edit was taken by bot [20:46:38] <Splarka> just the way the browser ignores the first newline [20:46:53] <Splarka> I can reproduce it in mozilla, so it isn't a bot-created prob [20:47:39] *Splarka ponders [20:47:45] <Merlissimo> text={{subst:Benutzer:MerlBot/Tagesseiten/L�schkandidaten.js|20090303}} [20:47:46] <Splarka> but then a null edit will fail... [20:47:59] <Splarka> Merl: nothing to do with subst: or bots [20:48:13] <LolliRock> Helloo!! :) [20:48:17] <Splarka> you can do it without either [20:48:42] <LolliRock> I have a question for you! :) [20:48:48] <Splarka> and it ruins null edits, gmmm [20:48:53] <Splarka> http://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Splarka/sand&action=history [20:49:22] <LolliRock> today i've upgraded my mediawiki to 1.14. all has gone fine [20:50:23] <Merlissimo> i have done a lot of nuledits in the last weeks, but no new version was created. the it has to be a new issue [20:50:43] <Splarka> Merlissimo: by bot or by browser? [20:50:50] <LolliRock> how can i change my main page <title> (only main page, not mediawiki:Pagetitle)? [20:51:13] <Merlissimo> bot [20:51:49] <Splarka> in PageTitle: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Main Page|foo|$1 - {{SITENAME}} }} (requires ParserFunction extension) [20:51:59] <Splarka> Merlissimo: a smart bot shouldn't be affected [20:52:08] <Splarka> a bot smarter than a browser anyway [20:52:35] <LolliRock> @splarka: i'm going to try.. thanks!!! :D [20:52:49] <Merlissimo> my bot is supid. text via api and then submit same text [20:52:57] <NotASpider> plus that should be an n-dash i think [20:53:05] <p[a]ddy> Raymond_: schöner podcast. Tried downlowding syntax highlighting extension from http://www.beautifier.org but it seems defunct as on the discussion page [[Extension talk:Syntax Highlighting]] [20:53:22] <Splarka> Merlissimo: does it eat newlines at the top of the content? looks like some browsers do it on purpose [20:53:33] <Merlissimo> no [20:53:35] <Splarka> Merlissimo: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12130 [20:53:40] <Splarka> is an old open bug it looks like [20:54:04] <Splarka> > (Confirmed Firefox 2.0.0.11 and Safari 3.0.4 on Mac OS X 10.4.11.) [20:54:53] <Splarka> the bug is, the first newline after <textarea> is ignored in some browsers [20:55:06] <Splarka> the bot wouldn't care, probably [20:55:25] <Splarka> I can't think of an easy fix, unless _all_ browsers ignored the newline, then you could just use two [20:55:35] <Splarka> nasty situation [20:55:56] <Splarka> Merlissimo: so, known issue, brion and tim have looked into it, no resolution yet [20:56:58] <LolliRock> @splarka: mmh.. seems it doesn't work (or my fault... more probably.. :P) [20:56:58] <LolliRock> my wiki is italian so the main page is "pagina principale". [20:56:59] <LolliRock> i've added: [20:56:59] <LolliRock> {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Pagina principale|foo|$1 - {{SITENAME}} Wiki }} [20:57:02] <LolliRock> but it's the same [20:57:07] <LolliRock> i've also purged my cache [20:57:13] <Merlissimo> Splarka ok, thx [20:57:15] <LolliRock> in the browser and in the wiki [20:57:40] <LolliRock> and i've parserfunctions extension properly installed [20:58:45] <CIA-60> 03siebrand * r47912 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (24 files): Localisation updates for core messages from translatewiki.net (2009-03-01 20:51 UTC) [20:59:09] <LolliRock> I'd like to have for the main page something like "blablabla - {{SITENAME}}" [20:59:27] <LolliRock> and leave the other pages with "$1 - {{SITENAME}}" [21:00:01] <LolliRock> (blablabla is text chosen by me) [21:03:12] <LolliRock> nothing? :( [21:04:32] <Splarka> should work, miscase? [21:05:21] <Splarka> try {{FULLPAGENAME}} on [[Pagina principale]] in with preview [21:05:52] <LolliRock> it shows "Pagina principale" [21:06:09] <LolliRock> here is the link of my mediawiki:pagetitle [21:06:11] <LolliRock> http://wiki.rockciclopedia.com/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Pagetitle [21:06:13] <CIA-60> 03siebrand * r47913 10/trunk/extensions/ (84 files in 79 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from translatewiki.net (2009-03-01 20:51 UTC) [21:06:13] <RonK> Has anyone tried to host on GoDaddy.COM [21:07:26] <Splarka> LolliRock: hmm [21:07:56] <LolliRock> before upgrade it worked... i don't remember how i got it working [21:08:15] <LolliRock> i think i've edited defaultsettings.php.... [21:08:21] <LolliRock> but i don't remember how.. [21:08:38] <Splarka> might be a new disabling hack [21:09:10] <Splarka> ahh, right [21:09:57] <LolliRock> what can i do? [21:11:41] <Splarka> hmm [21:11:43] <Splarka> $wgRestrictDisplayTitle = false; [21:11:44] <Splarka> maybe [21:12:27] <Splarka> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgRestrictDisplayTitle [21:12:29] <LolliRock> i'm going to try... [21:13:01] <Splarka> then you do: {{DISPLAYTITLE:title}} on the main page [21:13:48] <Splarka> and then you hide .page-Main_Page h1.firstHeading {display:none;} in site-css (using the class on your main page body of course) [21:14:01] <LolliRock> it's setted to true [21:14:03] <LolliRock> $wgAllowDisplayTitle = true; [21:14:12] <LolliRock> by default [21:14:18] <LolliRock> ahhh [21:14:18] <LolliRock> ok [21:14:23] <LolliRock> i have to set it to false [21:14:29] <LolliRock> excuse me.. :P [21:15:06] <LolliRock> ok [21:15:07] <LolliRock> $wgRestrictDisplayTitle = false; [21:15:10] <LolliRock> now.. [21:15:22] <LolliRock> {{DISPLAYTITLE:title}} on main page.. [21:16:40] <LolliRock> it works!!!!!!!! [21:16:46] <LolliRock> splarka [21:16:49] <LolliRock> thanks!! [21:16:52] <LolliRock> :D [21:19:40] <LolliRock> mmmh... now satisfy my curiosity.. :P [21:19:40] <LolliRock> why there is this restriction?? [21:19:59] <LolliRock> there's an hack that use the pagetitle? [21:22:18] <Simetrical> LolliRock, no, it's just confusing if someone copies the name of the page and it doesn't work when they paste it in a link. [21:23:36] <RonK> He folks, could someone help me is a permissions problem involving /TMP? [21:24:28] <Simetrical> !ask | RonK [21:24:28] --mwbot-- RonK: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC. [21:28:39] <Cokemonkey11_> hey how do i delete a user? [21:28:59] <Charitwo> You can't really. [21:29:06] <Charitwo> You can rename them though. [21:29:42] <Cokemonkey11_> can i reset their password? [21:29:43] <RonK> I need to set up a TMP area within my directory structure on a shared hosting account. GODADDY does not like people using the /TMP directory. I need a pointer to documentation that discribes this or dirrections how, or the name of a mediawiki hosting service. [21:29:55] <Cokemonkey11_> how do I rename them? [21:30:15] <Charitwo> You need the RenameUser extension [21:30:18] <Charitwo> install that [21:30:21] <Cokemonkey11_> how [21:30:50] <Charitwo> !e Renameuser | Cokemonkey11_ [21:30:50] --mwbot-- Cokemonkey11_: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Renameuser [21:36:25] <Cokemonkey11_> Thanks [21:37:47] <Splarka> oops [21:38:39] <Splarka> LolliRock: several reasons, mostly what Simetrical said, but also: it is bad when <title> doesn't match <h1>, but some people like to tweak the page display slightly, like by lowercasing the first letter, which DISPLAYTITLE: can do without restriction (if capitallinks are enforced) [21:38:51] <Splarka> so displaytitle has two modes [21:39:27] <Splarka> [[iPod]] and [[IPod]] link to the same page, so do [[Foo_bar]] and [[Foo bar]], so you can change that sort of thing in the weakened displaytitle [21:49:48] <CIA-60> 03raymond * r47914 10/trunk/extensions/APC/APCUtils.php: This numbers need the commafy function [21:52:54] <Splarka> LolliRock: ahh, I see now (bit belatedly) [21:53:06] <Splarka> they moved the main page Pagetitle to MediaWiki:Pagetitle-view-mainpage [21:53:12] <Splarka> so just edit that [21:54:02] <LolliRock> and if i edit that page i dont' have to set false the restriction? [21:54:45] <LolliRock> and i don't have to add {DISPLAYTITLE:title}} to the page? [21:55:11] <Splarka> in theory [21:55:30] <LolliRock> i try... [21:55:31] <Splarka> not sure if it was in 1.14 [21:56:10] <Splarka> http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php?view=annotate someone else can load this and find out, too slow on dialup, heh [21:59:38] <LolliRock> ok! it works! :) [22:00:24] <LolliRock> also with the restriction setted to true [22:02:19] <Splarka> heh, he's leaving before I find an even easier way [22:14:40] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Norwegian Wiktionary logo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17739 (10v85.wikipedia) [22:20:35] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Garbled page Special:Blockip - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17743 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (bugzilla.wikimedia) [22:25:35] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Norwegian Wiktionary logo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17739 (10Wiki.Melancholie) [22:39:10] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Multiple duplicate identical email notifications (enotif) being sent by job queue - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17620 summary; +comment (10herd) [22:39:49] <Schuenemann> hi. According to the wiki about $wglogo, "The logo is expected to be 135 x 135 pixels, but this can be increased by modifying the site CSS". Can anyone tell me what exacly should I change there? [22:40:02] <Schuenemann> I mean change CSS for a bigger logo [22:41:08] <memzy> might be one for the mailing list? [22:42:11] <Schuenemann> memzy, why? It isn't simple? [22:44:34] <Splarka> 135 is a lie [22:44:40] <Splarka> the dimensions are 12em x 160px [22:45:32] <Splarka> Schuenemann: on your site in a page called MediaWiki:Monobook.css ... [22:45:51] <Splarka> #column-one { [22:45:56] <Splarka> padding-top: 160px; } [22:46:03] <Splarka> that is the default, so add that and change it, for the height [22:46:35] <Splarka> and also: #p-logo { height: 155px; width: 12em; } [22:47:53] <Schuenemann> Splarka, looking for this css [22:47:58] <Splarka> and: [22:47:59] <Splarka> #p-logo a:hover {height: 155px; width: 12.2em;} [22:48:08] <Splarka> this is in /skins/monobook/main.css [22:48:22] <Splarka> but DON'T edit it there [22:48:22] <Splarka> edit it on-wiki in MediaWiki:Monobook.css [22:48:39] <Splarka> it makes upgrading harder if you edit the files [22:49:37] <Schuenemann> Splarka, mine is empty. Is that normal? [22:49:49] <Splarka> yes [22:49:51] <Splarka> it is shipped empty [22:49:54] <Splarka> it is for user-defined rules [22:50:00] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Add username parameter to block-related interface messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17744 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (gtisza) [22:50:17] <Splarka> but it has a higher priority by loading later, so default rules can be overridden [22:50:19] <Schuenemann> Splarka, This page provides interface text for the software, and is locked to prevent abuse. [22:50:36] <Splarka> you need the 'editinterface' right, given to the user group 'sysops' [22:51:11] <Schuenemann> let me esse [22:51:12] <Schuenemann> see* [22:54:19] <Splarka> Schuenemann: okay, here is what I just tried, to increase it from 12em to 15em wide, and 160px to 200px high: http://p.defau.lt/?a2WqfkKfVIHzjBMX4AKjfA [22:54:25] <Splarka> (mileage may vary) [22:54:45] <Schuenemann> hmm [22:54:55] <Splarka> oop, the :hover makes it funky though [22:55:00] <Schuenemann> Splarka, I'm still a noob. Can you tell me where do I add myself to that group? [22:56:43] <Splarka> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Setting_user_rights_in_MediaWiki [22:57:02] <RonK> wikibugs, can I contact you privately? [22:57:06] <Splarka> well, the default user shoulda been admin on install, IIRC [22:57:19] <Splarka> RonK: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org [22:57:24] <Splarka> it is just an echo bot [22:58:10] <Schuenemann> Splarka, I installed a few times and in this last one, there was no default. Weird [22:58:36] <Splarka> !rightssql [22:58:36] --mwbot-- INSERT INTO user_groups (ug_user, ug_group) VALUES ('1', 'bureaucrat'); Where '1' is your user ID, and 'bureaucrat' is the right you wish to apply. [22:58:53] <Schuenemann> ok, thanks [22:58:54] <Splarka> (bureaucrats can create sysops, so you want that) [23:04:15] <Subfader> Splarka: Is your ajaxbatchdelete.js working? cos nothing happens when i click start. only the text is greyed out [23:04:48] <Subfader> **textarea [23:05:21] <Splarka> dunno, haven't used it in a while [23:06:39] <Subfader> it would delete the pages and the action appears in RC? [23:06:43] <Schuenemann> Splarka, I still can't edit it. Do I have to restart something after inserting the user in user_groups? [23:13:37] <Schuenemann> ok, I had to add myself to sysop too [23:14:24] <Splarka> right, that [23:15:26] <Splarka> Subfader: ajaxbatchdelete there is very old, before writeAPI [23:15:35] <Splarka> haven't edited it in like a year [23:15:45] <Schuenemann> Splarka, it seems it has no effect. I bypassed the cache as the page suggeste [23:15:50] <Subfader> k found another way to batch del? [23:16:10] <Splarka> Schuenemann: try logout/login [23:16:25] <Splarka> also see if you can use Special:Block, or action=protect [23:16:31] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) History shows only one revision when a deleted page has been recreated - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17745 major; normal; MediaWiki: History/Diffs; (wikipedia) [23:16:41] <Subfader> testing Extension:DeleteBatch :) [23:16:47] <Splarka> Subfader: I've never had the need to batch delete, I'm not even a sysop, I just wrote it for someone ^_^ [23:17:08] <Subfader> very gentle ;) [23:17:38] <Splarka> it shouldn't be hard to write a new one from scratch, but meh [23:17:46] <Splarka> probably someone has already done so [23:17:57] <Splarka> there are also nice ajax tools in ajax.js for doing stuff now [23:18:57] <Splarka> Subfader: http://p.defau.lt/?uHYKQoSjSHtY9dqLrx6Xyg for example [23:19:04] <Splarka> this deletes via writeAPI [23:19:21] <Splarka> but not by batch [23:19:28] <Splarka> though it could be adapted [23:20:10] <Splarka> you'd just need to loop a list [23:24:21] <Schuenemann> Splarka, it seems #p-logo's height doesn't do anything [23:27:13] <Schuenemann> hmm... but #p-logo a does [23:28:24] <Subfader> Splarka: doesn't with $wgEnableAPI = false; right? [23:28:45] <Schuenemann> Splarka, I guess I got it this time. Thanks again [23:28:51] <Subfader> im paranoid. won't open my api [23:30:27] <CIA-60> 03werdna * r47915 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/ (3 files): Add blocked status and edit count to display of merged account on Special:CentralAuth [23:33:16] <Splarka> Subfader: ahh, well, ajaxbatchdelete needs $wgEnableAPI, and that other one needs writeAPI [23:33:58] <Splarka> I never wrote one with no API support [23:34:07] <Subfader> writing my own api is ok but not stealing :D [23:38:37] <CIA-60> 03nad * r47916 10/trunk/extensions/RecordAdmin/ (RecordAdmin.php RecordAdmin_body.php): handle read/edit permissions on record articles gracefully [23:38:59] <Subfader> the old one needs it enableAPI as well :/ [23:39:12] <Subfader> tested with true api [23:39:16] <Subfader> works [23:40:38] <Subfader> *probably. well, don't bother. checking the extension. thanks for the help

with a frame if you want it, around an unframed image [15:14:44] but what do you do if you want to link an image external and use a caption? and you don't want to place the link in the caption or let them open the file page? [15:14:56] 14(INVALID) [[File:Foo.jpg|thumb|link=|bar]] links incorrectly to the file description page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17735 +comment (10herd) [15:15:12] you don't, that'd be dumb [15:15:23] no every wiki is wikipedia [15:15:37] {{sofixit}} ? [15:15:58] Subfader: so ask for a new parameter, don't fuck with thumb [15:16:10] thumb has specific meaning, show a thumbnail of an image and link to the bigger version [15:16:47] 03(FIXED) SVG - Request installation WenQuanYi ZenHei for better Chinese gothic fonts rendering - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13716 +comment (10PhiLiP.NPC) [15:16:47] kk, I can understand the use of thumb should stay consistant [15:17:08] didn't know "link=" is possible to not link, that's why i opened the bug [15:17:32] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images#Syntax [15:18:28] you can use 'border' with link= [15:18:45] 03(FIXED) Articles disappear from categories for simple/traditional Chinese problem in zh-wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6195 +comment (10PhiLiP.NPC) [15:19:47] and it isn't hard to fake a |thumb with link=... [15:20:05] minus the magnifying glass [15:20:11]

[[Image:Wiki.png|border|100px|link=|foo]]

foo

[15:20:11] [[Image:Wiki.png|thumb|100px|foo]] [15:20:13] compare those two [15:20:16] i'm fine with the solution. as said, didn't know about "link=" and would personally have no use in external links for thumbs [15:20:33] they look exactly the same to me, minus the mag icon [15:21:22] *Splarka updates Help:Images a bit [15:22:08] your div solution could be used in a template yeah [15:25:40] http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Images&action=history [15:26:25] 03(FIXED) Zh traditional/simplified convert too - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12158 (10PhiLiP.NPC) [15:32:06] <Subfader> added link=: Will display an image without link, e.g. [[File:Name.jpg|link=]]. [15:35:07] <Splarka> yep, it will, but won't work with thumb, same as link=Somelink [15:42:30] <Subfader> that's because of the template. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Subfader/NoLinkOnImage works :) [15:50:37] <riesss> hi [15:50:50] <riesss> any1 around to help an absolute newbie? [15:51:09] <Danwe> hi [15:51:17] *NetHunter wonders if there's a way to count the number of sections in wikitext using the parser [15:51:24] <NetHunter> riesss: hi [15:51:26] <Danwe> what exactly does this message mean: ?1267: Illegal mix of collations (latin1_bin,IMPLICIT) and (utf8_general_ci,COERCIBLE) for operation '=' (localhost)?. [15:51:49] <Subfader> Splarka: Hmh works now in template. Added 2 examples [15:51:58] <Danwe> Actually I get this often with one of my templates [15:52:16] <Subfader> Just dn't understand what the |caption is all about there [15:53:39] <riesss> ok, how do I change the stuff in the navigation menu? [15:53:55] <Splarka> !sidebar | riesss [15:53:55] --mwbot-- riesss: To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar>. [15:54:23] <Splarka> NetHunter: like total number of <h1> to <h6>, or number of just <h2>? [15:54:25] <riesss> thx splarka [15:54:59] <Splarka> Subfader: without a frame or thumb, the caption is just the alt text [15:55:32] <Splarka> with a frame or thumb, the alt text can be assigned separately, with alt= [15:55:43] <Subfader> I think it's useless in the You type section? [15:55:56] <catsup> i'm wondering if anyone can help me out navigating wikimedia source code. i would like to rip out the sql backend for page history and replace it with git [15:55:58] <Subfader> *You type col [15:56:27] <Splarka> it is optional, anyway, perhaps there should be another example without it [15:56:55] <Subfader> it comes from the template, couldn't remove it though. [15:57:27] <catsup> is this even feasible? should i look at another wiki? [15:57:54] <Splarka> catsup: I think someone has tried that before, actually [15:58:16] <catsup> 'tried'? [15:58:46] <catsup> jyte.com/cl/using-a-git-repository-rather-than-a-database-for-the-backend-of-a-wiki-is-a-nice-idea [15:59:04] <catsup> ikiwiki.info/tips/laptop_wiki_with_git/ oh wow [15:59:23] <Splarka> well, I just have vague memories of it, you could grep http://is.gd/3pEd if you have a few free hrs [15:59:56] <catsup> pft [16:00:01] <catsup> nevermind [16:00:10] <catsup> apparently there's already git-backed wikis [16:00:18] <catsup> i'm not going to write another one! :p [16:00:46] <Splarka> heh [16:00:52] <catsup> it'd sure be nice to have mediawiki features but not that nice [16:02:17] <Splarka> hmm, maybe I misremember, maybe someone wrote an /svn/ backend for mediawiki [16:06:34] <catsup> http://git-wiki.kicks-ass.org/ [16:09:11] <Subfader> Some dev could guess when this will theís will be solved? https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1211 [16:09:41] <Nikerabbit> Subfader: maybe in three years [16:09:53] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) tooltip mismatch in diff, zh-tw - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D17736 trivial; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (jidanni) [16:10:04] <Subfader> Thought so :D Thinking about manipulating CategoryPage.php myself but my php skills suck and would take me ages of trial & error [16:13:29] <catsup> in 3 years you could learn to hack :D [16:13:52] <Nikerabbit> if it would be easy, it would be solved [16:14:43] <catsup> Nikerabbit: oh is that how it works? [16:14:55] <Nikerabbit> what? [16:16:03] <catsup> i've seen a lot of projects with easy bugs unfixed :p [16:16:17] <catsup> ... and i didn't fix them [16:16:18] <Nikerabbit> then they are controversial [16:16:40] <catsup> naw i just didn't care [16:16:58] <Nikerabbit> then they were ignored [16:18:13] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Wikilinks in subtitles should be ignored in PDF - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17732 normal->15enhancement; +comment (10support) [16:18:43] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Subcategory paging is not separate from article or image paging - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1211 +comment (10subfader) [16:19:50] <Nikerabbit> uga [16:20:23] <Nikerabbit> Subfader: the problem: it is slow! [16:20:40] <Subfader> thought so. is just about the 3 queries? [16:21:35] <Subfader> 3 split queries is more db load than the 1 as is? [16:22:12] <MinuteElectron> well, yes [16:22:21] <MinuteElectron> especially as the db queries will have an additional condition [16:22:33] <MinuteElectron> which may or may not have a key [16:22:37] <MinuteElectron> index [16:24:02] <Subfader> hmh i don't understand that but from neebie thinking: if amazon can list a fuckload of different but related information on one product page why can't CategoryPage? [16:25:07] <MinuteElectron> that's a naive suggestion [16:25:12] <Nikerabbit> because they have truckloads of servers? [16:26:09] <OverlordQ> Subfader: because amazon makes a lot more money to hire a lot more developers? [16:26:32] <Subfader> i knew the question was good [16:27:51] <Splarka> all those, and because it makes them money [16:28:16] <Splarka> comparing apples to clockwork oranges [16:28:50] <catsup> fuck amazon [16:29:00] <Subfader> just wanted to understand why it is so hard and would be slow [16:30:15] <Subfader> cos if it would really be unacceptable slow i don't to start manipulating CategoryPage with my bad php skills [16:30:32] <catsup> uh [16:31:33] <Subfader> i def want to get rid of the merged navigation of the 3 section so i can start categorizing images [16:32:17] <catsup> Subfader: the software has a certain design, which imposes limitations [16:32:32] <catsup> in order to remove the limitations, a great deal of reimplementation with a new design may be necessary [16:32:51] <catsup> it's like adding a new floor to a house [16:32:53] <Subfader> would use plain mysql queries [16:32:56] <catsup> sometimes it requires relaying the foundation [16:34:01] <catsup> you can't look at the empire state building and say: "if they can have 100 floors, why can't i add one?" [16:34:21] <Subfader> not the same imo [16:34:33] <catsup> lol [16:34:33] <catsup> your opinion [16:34:34] <OverlordQ> it'd be like trying to add a new floor between the 36th and the 37th [16:34:48] <catsup> this is just an analogy to help you understand [16:35:00] <Splarka> OverlordQ: put it on the top and start moving furniture! heh [16:35:32] <catsup> hire some thugs to evict the tenants on 37 :p [16:35:45] <NicDumZ> hehe secret floor. [16:35:55] <Subfader> CategoryPage uses 1 query resulting $articles which is used for displaying the 3 sections. Shouldn't be hard to make it 3 queries to make it $subcat, $article, $file [16:35:58] <catsup> reorder the buttons on the elevator [16:36:08] <Splarka> or pull a Being John Malkovitch, make two half floors [16:36:25] <Splarka> -t [16:38:35] <Subfader> It's not that I don't believe you guys, but c'mon, 3 queries and splitted presentation of the results can't be hard? That's how I understand it. [16:40:00] <OverlordQ> have you compared these queries? Are they faster? Slower? [16:40:16] <catsup> i haven't even looked at the code but your reasoning here is not good -- even if it isn't hard, you cannot say that it "can't be hard" [16:40:57] <catsup> it may or may not be hard, but it certainly can be hard [16:41:32] <Subfader> bug is 4 years old ;) [16:42:07] <catsup> there are two factors, the apparent effort necessary and the apparent improvement resulting [16:42:32] <catsup> i mean factors in the motivation of the hacker [16:43:24] <Subfader> the resulted improvement is undoubtable? question is if it's really slow or acceptable for a bit slowliness [16:45:03] <NicDumZ> without schema change [16:45:08] <NicDumZ> it's really slow [16:45:08] <wikibugs> 04(REOPENED) consider adding patch instructions, as recommended by patch man page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17724 normal->trivial; normal->lowest; summary; +comment (10jidanni) [16:45:18] <NicDumZ> we're talking of a whole-db scan [16:46:03] <MattHardwick> Is there a plugin that will allow me to authenticate users against a IMAP server? [16:46:36] <Subfader> ok thanks for convincing me. saves me some time. i stop beating the dead horse ;) [16:46:52] <NicDumZ> MattHardwick, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AuthIMAP ? [16:48:00] <MattHardwick> NicDumZ: Sweet thanks! [16:48:26] <Splarka> still seems like a dumb setup [16:48:28] <NicDumZ> MattHardwick, you're welcome, hitting search for 'imap' in the offical wiki did the trick. easy :) [16:48:46] <Splarka> if subcategories are the same as pages, they should be mixed in with the pages, or not treated the same as pages [16:48:49] <MattHardwick> really? I didn't think it would be that easy! :P [16:49:17] <Splarka> (but schema changes still hurts us, precious) [16:49:37] <wikibugs> 03(mod) consider adding patch instructions, as recommended by patch man page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17724 (10jidanni) [16:50:17] <Subfader> maybe i want it so urgently cos categories play a major role in my wiki [16:50:53] <Splarka> the API can filter by namespace [16:52:37] <Splarka> 0.006526 1 - query: SELECT cl_from,cl_sortkey,page_namespace,page_title,page_id FROM `page`,`categorylinks` FORCE INDEX (cl_sortkey) WHERE (cl_from=page_id) AND cl_to = 'X' ORDER BY cl_sortkey LIMIT N [16:53:41] <Splarka> perhaps a simple namespace filter in the UI would be possible... it looks like the problem in the patches proposed in 1211 are the exclusion of one namespace from the results (ew) [16:57:12] <kopf> One of the tips on the wiki is "Temporarily remove all indexes and auto_increment fields from the following tables: page, revision and text. This gives a tremendous speed bump, because MySQL will otherwise be updating these indexes after each insert." [16:57:25] <kopf> Can I suspend (^Z) my java process, do this, and then resume it? [16:57:40] <Splarka> ugh, the API filter is extremely slow: 18.594339 1 - query: SELECT cl_from,cl_sortkey,page_namespace,page_title,page_id FROM `page`,`categorylinks` FORCE INDEX (cl_sortkey) WHERE (cl_from=page_id) AND cl_to = 'X' ORDER BY cl_sortkey LIMIT N [16:57:52] <Splarka> 19 seconds for Category:Unprintworthy_redirects [16:58:11] <Splarka> Subfader: campaign for a schema change [16:58:23] <Splarka> 0.081930 1 - -total [16:58:25] <Splarka> for no filter [16:58:28] <Subfader> and not :D [16:58:43] <Subfader> well, $wgEnableAPI = false; [16:58:48] <Splarka> about 250 times slower [16:59:01] <Subfader> that's an argument. [16:59:28] <Splarka> yes, so is "2 plus 2 equals 5" [16:59:40] <Splarka> but not one you are likely to win by repetitive requesting [17:00:10] <Subfader> i c was my first though [17:00:28] <Splarka> just request a separate index for subcategories, then all will be happy [17:00:46] <Subfader> only subcats are the problem? [17:01:36] <Splarka> all namespaces are a "problem", but you seem to specifically care about subcats? [17:02:09] <Subfader> not in this context. cats with articles don't have subcats on my wiki :) [17:02:21] *Splarka stabs ya [17:02:31] <Splarka> 0.000966 1 - query: SELECT cl_from,cl_sortkey,page_namespace,page_title,page_id FROM `page`,`categorylinks` FORCE INDEX (cl_sortkey) WHERE (cl_from=page_id) AND cl_to = 'X' ORDER BY cl_sortkey LIMIT N [17:02:34] <Splarka> 17.921302 1 - query: SELECT cl_from,cl_sortkey,page_namespace,page_title,page_id FROM `page`,`categorylinks` FORCE INDEX (cl_sortkey) WHERE (cl_from=page_id) AND cl_to = 'X' ORDER BY cl_sortkey LIMIT N [17:03:03] <Splarka> first is with no namespace specified, second just searches NS_TALK [17:03:32] <Splarka> on en.wp with a category with half a million members [17:03:53] <Splarka> that is a factor of 18,522:1 and that is NO argument [17:04:00] <Subfader> and no image is categorized by now cos of teh merged navigation. my cats often list more than 200 articles. then allimages are hidden at the end of the list with no indication that there are images. so i didn't start categorizing images yet. too confusing for my users [17:04:18] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) remove session info from URL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17737 trivial; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (jidanni) [17:04:18] <Splarka> filtering by namespace without an index is totally not worth the cost [17:06:03] <Simetrical> It depends on the result set. If you know it contains a significant percentage of rows with that namespace, the index may not be necessary, or even worth it. [17:06:10] <Simetrical> In this case, that's not likely, though. [17:06:58] <Subfader> so if only the subcats query is the prob i may start seperating the images query and present the images with an own navigation. should work. [17:07:34] <Splarka> it affects all namespaces [17:08:01] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Installarion of 'Category On Upload' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17738 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (smihael) [17:08:17] <Splarka> that don't have their custom hacky index (does Image/File? I never pay attention to mixed pages/images in cats) [17:08:34] <Subfader> find all images linked to the category name, order by sth, limit 20? [17:09:20] <Splarka> Simetrical: so what would make more sense, separate category indexes for ns14 and nd6, or a separate table sorted by namespace? [17:09:25] <Splarka> er ns6 [17:09:33] <Subfader> would only list real images on category pages thopugh [17:09:34] *Splarka doesn't know from teh sql [17:09:54] <Splarka> hmm, should file: and media: have separate categorization? heh [17:09:59] <Splarka> could be useful [17:10:23] <Splarka> regular uploads have a File: page and a media attached, shared repository can have just the media, created pages in NS6 can have just the page [17:10:46] <Subfader> i hate files thumbnails ;) [17:11:01] <Splarka> there is a magic word for that [17:11:11] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Norwegian Wiktionary logo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17739 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Images; (v85.wikipedia) [17:11:38] <Subfader> cool checking [17:12:13] <Splarka> also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Splarka/togglegallery.js [17:12:47] <Splarka> Subfader: __NOGALLERY__ on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words#Behaviour_switches [17:12:56] <Splarka> used for Fair Use image categories on en.wp for example [17:13:21] <Subfader> ok for gallery. i don't have any yet :D [17:14:10] <Subfader> i mean the plain white thumbnails on File Pages that are not images [17:14:15] *Splarka needs to update that for File: [17:14:20] <Splarka> ahh [17:14:26] <Subfader> and elsewhere like new files [17:14:28] <Splarka> yah, those suck [17:14:58] <Subfader> furthermore i hate small icons being scaled to max width :) [17:15:31] <Subfader> in lists using gallery [17:15:33] <Splarka> heh [17:16:01] <Splarka> I fixed that once... what did I do... [17:16:03] *Emachman wonders when AF will go live on enwiki [17:16:16] <Subfader> http://www.mixesdb.com/db/index.php/Category:MixesDB_Images [17:17:10] <Subfader> oh i DO have categorized images. well the other 2000 are not :D [17:18:23] *Splarka wonders if there is a way to disable thumbnails in all categories automagically [17:18:36] <Splarka> (probably a global somewhere) [17:20:28] <Splarka> huh, $wgCategoryMagicGallery imagine that [17:23:52] <Subfader> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3510 [17:25:29] <Splarka> well, sometimes you gotta scale up [17:25:45] <Subfader> $wgCategoryMagicGallery = false; lists images under F in the article list. the unlogic in this prevents me from using it ;) [17:25:59] <Splarka> DEFAULTSORTKEY them then ^_^ [17:26:27] <Subfader> lol [17:26:42] <Splarka> with {{PAGENAME}} [17:26:52] <Splarka> instead of {{FULLPAGENAME}} as is default [17:27:03] <Subfader> should be an own list in the Images or Media section [17:27:07] <Splarka> hmm [17:27:07] <Splarka> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgCategoryPrefixedDefaultSortkey [17:27:12] <Splarka> should be one of these for every namespace [17:27:27] <Splarka> $wgDefaultSortkeyNamespaces or something [17:27:51] <Subfader> no the point is it aren't Articles [17:28:07] <Splarka> right, but some content namespaces should ignore the namespace in categories [17:28:20] <Splarka> like Manual: and Extension: on mw.org [17:28:40] <Subfader> if i change the view of the Image list I want them to be listed in the Images list [17:28:50] <Splarka> then you could see Manual:Images and Extension:ImageMap and Help:Images in the same ==I== heading [17:31:42] <Subfader> ok Headline is Pages not Articles. makes a difference. but files should still be listed under Media and not in the Pages list [17:32:14] <Subfader> i customized my wiki so much i must always check mediawiki.org to see how it's originally [17:33:40] <Subfader> so what about the icons being scaled up in galleries bug? is there a bug report already? [17:36:11] <Subfader> is it this? https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3510 dunno if understand the report correctly [17:37:57] <Splarka> hmm [17:38:27] <Splarka> it didn't used to scale them up, I remember http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Custom_edit_buttons used to show them at regular size [17:38:35] <Splarka> because I used this css to remove the padding: .page-Category_Custom_edit_buttons .gallerybox .thumb { padding:0 !important; } [17:38:44] <Splarka> but that was years and years ago [17:41:06] <Subfader> ah ok that was when you ment to fixed it already? would prefer it not per page. thumb size differs per user size [17:41:44] *Splarka blinks [17:42:03] <Splarka> yah, it used to show smaller files as just floating tiny <img> in the gallery table [17:42:12] <Splarka> so it is "fixed" now in that they're all consistent sizes, heh [17:42:46] <Subfader> ok if that is prefered no bug report [17:43:06] <Splarka> well, I don't like it personally, browser scaling sucks [17:43:39] <Subfader> it sucks because it makes them unreadable [17:44:13] <Subfader> you have to think what is shown on it. never force your users to use brain! [17:47:50] <Subfader> smae for file page thumbnails http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WikEd_logo.png [17:56:15] <Subfader> this can't be the prefered way to display thumbnails. may work for svg or some png though but properly up-scaled icons it let you think there is this or a bigger filesize [17:56:27] <Subfader> badly up-scaled icons are not readable and let you think the image has a bad quality [17:59:01] <Subfader> user option: [ ] Display thumbnails of small images in original size. [18:06:55] <riesss> hi [18:09:27] <riesss> when I try to edit the sidebar there is written Editing $1 and nothing is in the edit box [18:13:21] <Subfader> MediaWiki:Sidebar ? [18:15:49] <riesss> yes [18:18:29] <CIA-60> 03siebrand * r47910 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesBar.php: Import compatible messages already translated at bar.wikipedia.org [18:19:11] <Subfader> odd. try to enter sth though [18:23:21] <riesss> h [18:25:27] <riesss> ok, I keep on trying to edit the sidebar [18:25:33] <riesss> but I wont get it [18:25:43] <riesss> I even cant get to the edit page [18:25:53] <riesss> http://www.ersti.tk/wiki/MediaWiki:Sidebar [18:26:09] <riesss> is anybody able to get me the correct link? [18:29:17] <Splarka> new, nasty frames [18:29:32] <Splarka> riesss: http://www.ersti.myownfreeweb.com/index.php/MediaWiki:Sidebar?action=edit [18:29:45] <riesss> great, thx alos [18:30:12] <riesss> yes, ! it works [18:35:05] <Subfader> Huh? nothing happens when you preview your user monobook.js [18:35:18] <Subfader> Tip: Use the 'Show preview' button to test your new css/js [18:36:00] <Subfader> it doesn't display the text [18:37:29] <Subfader> riess: you won't have much joy with editing :D [18:38:05] <Subfader> or always use http://www.ersti.myownfreeweb.com [18:38:31] <riesss> ok, now i know [18:38:57] <Splarka> Subfader: depends on what you're doing, some JS doesn't like to be previewed like that [18:39:02] <Splarka> like document.write() crap [18:39:30] <Subfader> ok just added your togglegallery.js to my js [18:39:45] <Splarka> well, it won't do anything on preview [18:39:50] <Splarka> since there are no galleries [18:40:19] <Splarka> on a monobook.js page ^_^ [18:40:26] <Subfader> ok i takes affect in preview. expected the text in syntax highlight [18:40:38] <Splarka> wat [18:40:46] <Splarka> it only works on Category pages, but it has a bug too [18:40:52] <Subfader> or sth else. [18:40:54] <Splarka> well, not a bug [18:40:58] <Splarka> var gtMatchPath = '/wiki/Image:'; [18:41:01] <Splarka> you have to change that to File: [18:41:08] <Splarka> or the local localisation of file: [18:41:11] *Splarka will fix that [18:41:17] <Subfader> k testing [18:41:29] <Splarka> I wrote this before the ns move [18:42:02] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) unwanted tags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17740 minor; normal; Kate's Tools: General/Unknown; (rahul.choubey) [18:43:44] <wikibugs> 03(mod) unwanted tags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17740 (10rahul.choubey) [18:44:08] <riesss> is it possible to change the size of the font used in the sidebar? Read the faq, but didnt find it [18:44:40] <Splarka> you can do it with CSS [18:44:48] <riesss> uhh [18:44:53] <Splarka> but be careful not to change the p-cactions too (so don't just do #column-one) [18:44:55] <Splarka> heh [18:45:06] <Splarka> well, which boxes do you want to make the text bigger on? navigation/search/toolbox? [18:45:13] <riesss> ok, I will let that happen some time in the future and go on creating some content [18:45:14] <riesss> thx [18:45:41] <riesss> I�d like to make the text bigger in "vorlesung" box [18:46:21] <Splarka> .generated-sidebar .pBody {font-size:110%} [18:46:36] <Subfader> re context: it's MediaWiki not Media Wiki ;) [18:47:35] <Splarka> ^ add that to http://www.ersti.myownfreeweb.com/index.php/MediaWiki:Monobook.css [18:52:30] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Make Special:Unreviewed Pages sortable by age - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17741 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (pbirken) [18:52:41] <riesss> YEAH, cool [18:53:11] <riesss> at first I tried to change the file through FTP, then I noticed what You mean... [18:53:13] <Subfader> Splarka: I tried with var gtMatchPath = '/db/index.php/File:'; and /db/index.php/File: and added __NOGALLERY__ to a cat with images. it only lists the file page links [19:03:15] <Splarka> Subfader: addPortletLink('p-tb','javascript:galleryToggleOff() ... [19:03:23] <Splarka> it adds a button to the toolbox to toggle it [19:03:37] <Splarka> but note it always toggles [19:04:01] <Splarka> you could, however, use the code to adapt it into an automated system that only toggled one way for yourself [19:05:09] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) zh-tw page names use many synonyms for URLs, e.g., <a href=BIG>LARGE</a> - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17742 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (jidanni) [19:18:38] <NotASpider> anyone noticed that the "(previous 50)" link in special:whatlinkshere doesn't work more than once [19:19:23] <NotASpider> that is if you hit "next" 2+ times you cannot use the other button to get back to where you were [19:21:09] <NotASpider> because &from= and &back= have the same page_id in the url, which is also that of the first page listed [19:21:40] <NotASpider> but somehow it knows it's not at the beginning as the link is still blue [19:24:07] <Splarka> that looks buggy yah [19:24:29] <Splarka> searched for open bugs? [19:26:23] *Splarka doesn't see any edits to those from/back bits for ~6 months [19:28:17] <Splarka> CharlotteWebb: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9487 [19:36:50] <Simetrical> Splarka, currently I favor just prepending a magic byte to the existing cl_sortkey to indicate the namespace. [19:40:19] <Splarka> Simetrical: sneeky slash evil [19:40:30] <Splarka> but would that slow down regular sorting as well? [19:40:54] <Simetrical> When would we ever do regular sorting? [19:40:59] <Splarka> what is annoying is that the default sortkey is the pagename + namespace [19:41:07] <Splarka> er ns + pn [19:41:09] *Splarka shrugs [19:41:13] <Simetrical> It would just always sort as subcats/pages/files. [19:41:49] <Splarka> {{sofixit}} [19:41:56] <Splarka> any word on bug:9487? heh [19:49:10] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Make Special:Unreviewed Pages sortable by age - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17741 (10JSchulz_4587) [20:05:27] <CIA-60> 03aaron * r47911 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Export.php: Log dump cleanup for WikiExporter::STREAM [20:12:37] <Subfader> how can i let a red link appear blue without creating the page? color is in the created a tag :/ [20:16:25] <Reedy> Subfader, CSS? [20:16:38] <Splarka> .nored a.new {color: #002bb8;} [20:16:42] <Subfader> not all redlinks [20:16:51] <Splarka> .nored a.new:visited {color: #5a3696;} [20:17:00] <Splarka> <span class="nored">[[foo]]</span> [20:17:05] <Subfader> just a certain cos i want to link to a non-existing special page so i can't create it [20:17:19] <Splarka> hmm [20:17:22] <Subfader> ah damn [20:17:24] <Subfader> ;D [20:17:27] <Splarka> there may be another way [20:18:22] <Subfader> thinking around 5 corners today [20:19:38] <Subfader> i like the ajaxbatchdelete.js too bad you can't find such user scripts searching for extensions [20:20:03] <Splarka> <span class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:Special:Nosuchspecial}} Special:Nosuchspecial]</span> [20:20:23] <Splarka> ^ you could template that, though it would be interwiki-colored, but no CSS needed [20:20:59] <Subfader> i like nored :) [20:22:18] <Subfader> saves me from removing more plainlink spans soon ;) [20:22:21] <Merlissimo> can sb explain me why a new line is insert at the first line according to the diff http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=57314811 [20:22:22] <Merlissimo> I cannot see the new line in wikitext-mode [20:39:53] <Splarka> looks like a diff hiccup [20:41:27] <Splarka> hmmmm [20:41:30] <Splarka> Merlissimo: http://de.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&rvprop=content&revids=57312879|57314811 [20:41:34] <Splarka> the newline is actually there [20:41:35] <NotASpider> ok thanks, i knew it would be a duplicate but i can never find any [20:41:46] <NotASpider> hell even a wiki would be easier to search [20:41:48] <NotASpider> than bugzilla [20:41:55] <Splarka> NotASpider: it has been broken a long time, yah [20:44:37] <Splarka> Merlissimo: it is reproducable [20:44:46] <Splarka> http://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3ASplarka%2Fsand&diff=68580&oldid=66120 [20:44:55] <Merlissimo> bug must be in edit module, because the site ist create from a template which is substed [20:45:07] <Merlissimo> [[de:Benutzer:MerlBot/Tagesseiten/L�schkandidaten.js]] [20:45:15] <Splarka> http://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Splarka/sand&action=edit&oldid=66120 http://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Splarka/sand&action=edit&oldid=68580 [20:45:30] <Splarka> the bug seems to be... [20:45:36] <Splarka> that it lets you save whitespace before the first line [20:45:48] <Splarka> and then trims it when generating the <texarea> [20:46:01] <Splarka> hmm [20:46:07] <Splarka> although actually, the textarea is correct [20:46:12] <Splarka> <textarea name="wpTextbox1" id="wpTextbox1" cols="80" rows="25" tabindex="1" accesskey=","> [20:46:13] <Splarka> <div style="position:relative;"> [20:46:14] <Merlissimo> can you create the bugreport? [20:46:18] <Splarka> vs [20:46:20] <Splarka> <textarea name="wpTextbox1" id="wpTextbox1" cols="80" rows="25" tabindex="1" accesskey=","><div style="position:relative;"> [20:46:33] <Splarka> so I actually don't think it is a bug [20:46:36] <Merlissimo> my edit was taken by bot [20:46:38] <Splarka> just the way the browser ignores the first newline [20:46:53] <Splarka> I can reproduce it in mozilla, so it isn't a bot-created prob [20:47:39] *Splarka ponders [20:47:45] <Merlissimo> text={{subst:Benutzer:MerlBot/Tagesseiten/L�schkandidaten.js|20090303}} [20:47:46] <Splarka> but then a null edit will fail... [20:47:59] <Splarka> Merl: nothing to do with subst: or bots [20:48:13] <LolliRock> Helloo!! :) [20:48:17] <Splarka> you can do it without either [20:48:42] <LolliRock> I have a question for you! :) [20:48:48] <Splarka> and it ruins null edits, gmmm [20:48:53] <Splarka> http://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Splarka/sand&action=history [20:49:22] <LolliRock> today i've upgraded my mediawiki to 1.14. all has gone fine [20:50:23] <Merlissimo> i have done a lot of nuledits in the last weeks, but no new version was created. the it has to be a new issue [20:50:43] <Splarka> Merlissimo: by bot or by browser? [20:50:50] <LolliRock> how can i change my main page <title> (only main page, not mediawiki:Pagetitle)? [20:51:13] <Merlissimo> bot [20:51:49] <Splarka> in PageTitle: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Main Page|foo|$1 - {{SITENAME}} }} (requires ParserFunction extension) [20:51:59] <Splarka> Merlissimo: a smart bot shouldn't be affected [20:52:08] <Splarka> a bot smarter than a browser anyway [20:52:35] <LolliRock> @splarka: i'm going to try.. thanks!!! :D [20:52:49] <Merlissimo> my bot is supid. text via api and then submit same text [20:52:57] <NotASpider> plus that should be an n-dash i think [20:53:05] <p[a]ddy> Raymond_: schöner podcast. Tried downlowding syntax highlighting extension from http://www.beautifier.org but it seems defunct as on the discussion page [[Extension talk:Syntax Highlighting]] [20:53:22] <Splarka> Merlissimo: does it eat newlines at the top of the content? looks like some browsers do it on purpose [20:53:33] <Merlissimo> no [20:53:35] <Splarka> Merlissimo: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12130 [20:53:40] <Splarka> is an old open bug it looks like [20:54:04] <Splarka> > (Confirmed Firefox 2.0.0.11 and Safari 3.0.4 on Mac OS X 10.4.11.) [20:54:53] <Splarka> the bug is, the first newline after <textarea> is ignored in some browsers [20:55:06] <Splarka> the bot wouldn't care, probably [20:55:25] <Splarka> I can't think of an easy fix, unless _all_ browsers ignored the newline, then you could just use two [20:55:35] <Splarka> nasty situation [20:55:56] <Splarka> Merlissimo: so, known issue, brion and tim have looked into it, no resolution yet [20:56:58] <LolliRock> @splarka: mmh.. seems it doesn't work (or my fault... more probably.. :P) [20:56:58] <LolliRock> my wiki is italian so the main page is "pagina principale". [20:56:59] <LolliRock> i've added: [20:56:59] <LolliRock> {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Pagina principale|foo|$1 - {{SITENAME}} Wiki }} [20:57:02] <LolliRock> but it's the same [20:57:07] <LolliRock> i've also purged my cache [20:57:13] <Merlissimo> Splarka ok, thx [20:57:15] <LolliRock> in the browser and in the wiki [20:57:40] <LolliRock> and i've parserfunctions extension properly installed [20:58:45] <CIA-60> 03siebrand * r47912 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (24 files): Localisation updates for core messages from translatewiki.net (2009-03-01 20:51 UTC) [20:59:09] <LolliRock> I'd like to have for the main page something like "blablabla - {{SITENAME}}" [20:59:27] <LolliRock> and leave the other pages with "$1 - {{SITENAME}}" [21:00:01] <LolliRock> (blablabla is text chosen by me) [21:03:12] <LolliRock> nothing? :( [21:04:32] <Splarka> should work, miscase? [21:05:21] <Splarka> try {{FULLPAGENAME}} on [[Pagina principale]] in with preview [21:05:52] <LolliRock> it shows "Pagina principale" [21:06:09] <LolliRock> here is the link of my mediawiki:pagetitle [21:06:11] <LolliRock> http://wiki.rockciclopedia.com/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Pagetitle [21:06:13] <CIA-60> 03siebrand * r47913 10/trunk/extensions/ (84 files in 79 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from translatewiki.net (2009-03-01 20:51 UTC) [21:06:13] <RonK> Has anyone tried to host on GoDaddy.COM [21:07:26] <Splarka> LolliRock: hmm [21:07:56] <LolliRock> before upgrade it worked... i don't remember how i got it working [21:08:15] <LolliRock> i think i've edited defaultsettings.php.... [21:08:21] <LolliRock> but i don't remember how.. [21:08:38] <Splarka> might be a new disabling hack [21:09:10] <Splarka> ahh, right [21:09:57] <LolliRock> what can i do? [21:11:41] <Splarka> hmm [21:11:43] <Splarka> $wgRestrictDisplayTitle = false; [21:11:44] <Splarka> maybe [21:12:27] <Splarka> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgRestrictDisplayTitle [21:12:29] <LolliRock> i'm going to try... [21:13:01] <Splarka> then you do: {{DISPLAYTITLE:title}} on the main page [21:13:48] <Splarka> and then you hide .page-Main_Page h1.firstHeading {display:none;} in site-css (using the class on your main page body of course) [21:14:01] <LolliRock> it's setted to true [21:14:03] <LolliRock> $wgAllowDisplayTitle = true; [21:14:12] <LolliRock> by default [21:14:18] <LolliRock> ahhh [21:14:18] <LolliRock> ok [21:14:23] <LolliRock> i have to set it to false [21:14:29] <LolliRock> excuse me.. :P [21:15:06] <LolliRock> ok [21:15:07] <LolliRock> $wgRestrictDisplayTitle = false; [21:15:10] <LolliRock> now.. [21:15:22] <LolliRock> {{DISPLAYTITLE:title}} on main page.. [21:16:40] <LolliRock> it works!!!!!!!! [21:16:46] <LolliRock> splarka [21:16:49] <LolliRock> thanks!! [21:16:52] <LolliRock> :D [21:19:40] <LolliRock> mmmh... now satisfy my curiosity.. :P [21:19:40] <LolliRock> why there is this restriction?? [21:19:59] <LolliRock> there's an hack that use the pagetitle? [21:22:18] <Simetrical> LolliRock, no, it's just confusing if someone copies the name of the page and it doesn't work when they paste it in a link. [21:23:36] <RonK> He folks, could someone help me is a permissions problem involving /TMP? [21:24:28] <Simetrical> !ask | RonK [21:24:28] --mwbot-- RonK: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC. [21:28:39] <Cokemonkey11_> hey how do i delete a user? [21:28:59] <Charitwo> You can't really. [21:29:06] <Charitwo> You can rename them though. [21:29:42] <Cokemonkey11_> can i reset their password? [21:29:43] <RonK> I need to set up a TMP area within my directory structure on a shared hosting account. GODADDY does not like people using the /TMP directory. I need a pointer to documentation that discribes this or dirrections how, or the name of a mediawiki hosting service. [21:29:55] <Cokemonkey11_> how do I rename them? [21:30:15] <Charitwo> You need the RenameUser extension [21:30:18] <Charitwo> install that [21:30:21] <Cokemonkey11_> how [21:30:50] <Charitwo> !e Renameuser | Cokemonkey11_ [21:30:50] --mwbot-- Cokemonkey11_: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Renameuser [21:36:25] <Cokemonkey11_> Thanks [21:37:47] <Splarka> oops [21:38:39] <Splarka> LolliRock: several reasons, mostly what Simetrical said, but also: it is bad when <title> doesn't match <h1>, but some people like to tweak the page display slightly, like by lowercasing the first letter, which DISPLAYTITLE: can do without restriction (if capitallinks are enforced) [21:38:51] <Splarka> so displaytitle has two modes [21:39:27] <Splarka> [[iPod]] and [[IPod]] link to the same page, so do [[Foo_bar]] and [[Foo bar]], so you can change that sort of thing in the weakened displaytitle [21:49:48] <CIA-60> 03raymond * r47914 10/trunk/extensions/APC/APCUtils.php: This numbers need the commafy function [21:52:54] <Splarka> LolliRock: ahh, I see now (bit belatedly) [21:53:06] <Splarka> they moved the main page Pagetitle to MediaWiki:Pagetitle-view-mainpage [21:53:12] <Splarka> so just edit that [21:54:02] <LolliRock> and if i edit that page i dont' have to set false the restriction? [21:54:45] <LolliRock> and i don't have to add {DISPLAYTITLE:title}} to the page? [21:55:11] <Splarka> in theory [21:55:30] <LolliRock> i try... [21:55:31] <Splarka> not sure if it was in 1.14 [21:56:10] <Splarka> http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php?view=annotate someone else can load this and find out, too slow on dialup, heh [21:59:38] <LolliRock> ok! it works! :) [22:00:24] <LolliRock> also with the restriction setted to true [22:02:19] <Splarka> heh, he's leaving before I find an even easier way [22:14:40] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Norwegian Wiktionary logo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17739 (10v85.wikipedia) [22:20:35] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Garbled page Special:Blockip - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17743 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (bugzilla.wikimedia) [22:25:35] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Norwegian Wiktionary logo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17739 (10Wiki.Melancholie) [22:39:10] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Multiple duplicate identical email notifications (enotif) being sent by job queue - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17620 summary; +comment (10herd) [22:39:49] <Schuenemann> hi. According to the wiki about $wglogo, "The logo is expected to be 135 x 135 pixels, but this can be increased by modifying the site CSS". Can anyone tell me what exacly should I change there? [22:40:02] <Schuenemann> I mean change CSS for a bigger logo [22:41:08] <memzy> might be one for the mailing list? [22:42:11] <Schuenemann> memzy, why? It isn't simple? [22:44:34] <Splarka> 135 is a lie [22:44:40] <Splarka> the dimensions are 12em x 160px [22:45:32] <Splarka> Schuenemann: on your site in a page called MediaWiki:Monobook.css ... [22:45:51] <Splarka> #column-one { [22:45:56] <Splarka> padding-top: 160px; } [22:46:03] <Splarka> that is the default, so add that and change it, for the height [22:46:35] <Splarka> and also: #p-logo { height: 155px; width: 12em; } [22:47:53] <Schuenemann> Splarka, looking for this css [22:47:58] <Splarka> and: [22:47:59] <Splarka> #p-logo a:hover {height: 155px; width: 12.2em;} [22:48:08] <Splarka> this is in /skins/monobook/main.css [22:48:22] <Splarka> but DON'T edit it there [22:48:22] <Splarka> edit it on-wiki in MediaWiki:Monobook.css [22:48:39] <Splarka> it makes upgrading harder if you edit the files [22:49:37] <Schuenemann> Splarka, mine is empty. Is that normal? [22:49:49] <Splarka> yes [22:49:51] <Splarka> it is shipped empty [22:49:54] <Splarka> it is for user-defined rules [22:50:00] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Add username parameter to block-related interface messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17744 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (gtisza) [22:50:17] <Splarka> but it has a higher priority by loading later, so default rules can be overridden [22:50:19] <Schuenemann> Splarka, This page provides interface text for the software, and is locked to prevent abuse. [22:50:36] <Splarka> you need the 'editinterface' right, given to the user group 'sysops' [22:51:11] <Schuenemann> let me esse [22:51:12] <Schuenemann> see* [22:54:19] <Splarka> Schuenemann: okay, here is what I just tried, to increase it from 12em to 15em wide, and 160px to 200px high: http://p.defau.lt/?a2WqfkKfVIHzjBMX4AKjfA [22:54:25] <Splarka> (mileage may vary) [22:54:45] <Schuenemann> hmm [22:54:55] <Splarka> oop, the :hover makes it funky though [22:55:00] <Schuenemann> Splarka, I'm still a noob. Can you tell me where do I add myself to that group? [22:56:43] <Splarka> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Setting_user_rights_in_MediaWiki [22:57:02] <RonK> wikibugs, can I contact you privately? [22:57:06] <Splarka> well, the default user shoulda been admin on install, IIRC [22:57:19] <Splarka> RonK: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org [22:57:24] <Splarka> it is just an echo bot [22:58:10] <Schuenemann> Splarka, I installed a few times and in this last one, there was no default. Weird [22:58:36] <Splarka> !rightssql [22:58:36] --mwbot-- INSERT INTO user_groups (ug_user, ug_group) VALUES ('1', 'bureaucrat'); Where '1' is your user ID, and 'bureaucrat' is the right you wish to apply. [22:58:53] <Schuenemann> ok, thanks [22:58:54] <Splarka> (bureaucrats can create sysops, so you want that) [23:04:15] <Subfader> Splarka: Is your ajaxbatchdelete.js working? cos nothing happens when i click start. only the text is greyed out [23:04:48] <Subfader> **textarea [23:05:21] <Splarka> dunno, haven't used it in a while [23:06:39] <Subfader> it would delete the pages and the action appears in RC? [23:06:43] <Schuenemann> Splarka, I still can't edit it. Do I have to restart something after inserting the user in user_groups? [23:13:37] <Schuenemann> ok, I had to add myself to sysop too [23:14:24] <Splarka> right, that [23:15:26] <Splarka> Subfader: ajaxbatchdelete there is very old, before writeAPI [23:15:35] <Splarka> haven't edited it in like a year [23:15:45] <Schuenemann> Splarka, it seems it has no effect. I bypassed the cache as the page suggeste [23:15:50] <Subfader> k found another way to batch del? [23:16:10] <Splarka> Schuenemann: try logout/login [23:16:25] <Splarka> also see if you can use Special:Block, or action=protect [23:16:31] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) History shows only one revision when a deleted page has been recreated - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17745 major; normal; MediaWiki: History/Diffs; (wikipedia) [23:16:41] <Subfader> testing Extension:DeleteBatch :) [23:16:47] <Splarka> Subfader: I've never had the need to batch delete, I'm not even a sysop, I just wrote it for someone ^_^ [23:17:08] <Subfader> very gentle ;) [23:17:38] <Splarka> it shouldn't be hard to write a new one from scratch, but meh [23:17:46] <Splarka> probably someone has already done so [23:17:57] <Splarka> there are also nice ajax tools in ajax.js for doing stuff now [23:18:57] <Splarka> Subfader: http://p.defau.lt/?uHYKQoSjSHtY9dqLrx6Xyg for example [23:19:04] <Splarka> this deletes via writeAPI [23:19:21] <Splarka> but not by batch [23:19:28] <Splarka> though it could be adapted [23:20:10] <Splarka> you'd just need to loop a list [23:24:21] <Schuenemann> Splarka, it seems #p-logo's height doesn't do anything [23:27:13] <Schuenemann> hmm... but #p-logo a does [23:28:24] <Subfader> Splarka: doesn't with $wgEnableAPI = false; right? [23:28:45] <Schuenemann> Splarka, I guess I got it this time. Thanks again [23:28:51] <Subfader> im paranoid. won't open my api [23:30:27] <CIA-60> 03werdna * r47915 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/ (3 files): Add blocked status and edit count to display of merged account on Special:CentralAuth [23:33:16] <Splarka> Subfader: ahh, well, ajaxbatchdelete needs $wgEnableAPI, and that other one needs writeAPI [23:33:58] <Splarka> I never wrote one with no API support [23:34:07] <Subfader> writing my own api is ok but not stealing :D [23:38:37] <CIA-60> 03nad * r47916 10/trunk/extensions/RecordAdmin/ (RecordAdmin.php RecordAdmin_body.php): handle read/edit permissions on record articles gracefully [23:38:59] <Subfader> the old one needs it enableAPI as well :/ [23:39:12] <Subfader> tested with true api [23:39:16] <Subfader> works [23:40:38] <Subfader> *probably. well, don't bother. checking the extension. thanks for the help