, and all the ul/li, as well as .setAttribute every attribute, and appendChild each one [00:08:58] Well, certainly the big classes like Thread, Threads, blah blah need to be in separate files. [00:09:08] It makes the code much easier to navigate [00:09:13] That's fine. [00:09:24] ui ui will display it [00:09:38] wha? [00:09:55] I just did all the splitting in one go with a perl script :P [00:10:06] ui ui @ alternative. will use display:none/block [00:10:16] werdnum: Just as a point of making it easier to collaborate, fixing whitespace and removing code should go in separate commits. [00:10:16] heh, k [00:11:13] Fair enough. So far I've worked mostly on extensions by myself, and then had one big review at the end. Two people on the same extension at once is new to me, so thanks. [00:11:26] Subfader: easiest way... lets say you create * Admin tools , and then find what class it assigns, possibly #p-Admin_tools, but I am not sure how it handles spaces exactly.. so you #p-Admin_tools {display:none;} in MediWiki:Common.css [00:11:31] werdnum: Most of those mini-classes are hacks added quickly to bring certain functions to liquid threads without hacking into them the way I did with EditPage to make the experience nice. I'd like to get rid of them. [00:11:56] davidmccabe: Which ones are we thinking of? [00:11:56] then in MediaWiki:Common.js you add: [00:12:24] if(wgUserGroups && wgUserGroups.join(' ').indexOf('sysop') != -1) appendCSS('#p-Admin_tools {display:block !important;}') [00:12:26] what could be the cause for parse error in any non-english language? I tried fr, pt-br, de and always see a message like: Parse error: syntax error, unexpected $end in /home2/otto/public_html/otto/wiki/languages/messages/MessagesFr.php on line 2592 [00:12:49] Schuenemann: Is that on svn HEAD? [00:12:54] Subfader: then only admins see it by default, you can then add new objects to it with addPortletLink, or by Sidebar [00:13:09] werdnum: Things like IndividualThreadHistoryView, ThreadProtectionFormView, etc. [00:13:21] werdnum, sorry? [00:13:22] a list to Special:Blockip that is static should be added by sidebar, a link to delete the current page should be added via JS as it is dynamic, and so forth [00:13:30] Schuenemann: What version of MediaWiki are you using? [00:13:36] davidmccabe: ah, right. [00:13:46] that's even cooler than my user monobook.ss [00:13:47] werdnum, 1.13.4 [00:13:53] I'm not sure that I've delved in enough to actually understand what they're doing yet :) [00:14:04] c [00:14:05] Mar 1 19:11:27 aryeh-desktop kernel: [2243718.100096] xchat[7363] general protection ip:b71c0412 sp:bfa8bd20 error:0 in libc-2.8.90.so[b714f000+158000] [00:14:05] :( [00:14:08] \o [00:14:14] werdnum, it's a release [00:14:49] Subfader: well, about half the skins use the sidebar portlets with those classes, IIRC, so it'll work on those it works in, heh [00:16:56] werdnum, know anything about it? [00:17:24] no, perhaps a dodgy installation. [00:17:32] Can you paste the last line of MessagesFr.php? [00:18:17] REL1_13_4/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFr.php is 2784 lines long.. [00:18:22] 'confirmemail_error' => "Un problème est survenu lors de l'enregistrement de la confirmation de votre adresse de courriel.", [00:18:24] looks normal [00:18:49] the other languages look normal too [00:18:53] that is the correct line 2592 [00:18:58] but is that the last line? if so, too short [00:19:26] last line? [00:19:30] should be about 200 more lines [00:19:35] Can you paste the last line of MessagesFr.php? [00:19:42] oops, sorry [00:19:46] last is ); [00:19:56] last line is winky-sad? heh [00:20:22] the one before is 'intentionallyblankpage' => 'Cette page est intentionellement vide et elle est usée comme un test de performance, etc.', [00:20:26] is that comma correct? [00:20:47] werdnum: php doesn't care about trailing array commas, right? [00:21:26] Splarka, right. [00:21:37] Think MediaWiki's default theme could use some touchups? [00:21:48] But there's no ");", if that's really the last line. [00:22:43] Simetrical, all message files have that as the last line [00:23:21] Ah, right. [00:23:37] I found a bug in MediaWiki. [00:23:54] actually I care more about pt-br. It's the one I want [00:25:06] Marybelle, OH TEH NOES. STOP PRESSES!! [00:25:08] Marybelle: congratulations [00:25:23] Yes, I know. This is quite shocking. [00:29:41] do I really need to upload all those language files? Or just the ones I need are enough? [00:31:09] It depends if you'll need them, really. [00:31:56] Splarka: Works now although I'm the only admin. Took me a while to realize that User:Me/monobook.css doesn't override Common.css [00:32:00] Splarka: Works now although I'm the only admin. Took me a while to realize that User:Me/monobook.css doesn't override Common.css [00:32:24] well, wouldn't be common then hrr [00:33:13] It doesn't? It should. [00:33:22] Are you sure? [00:33:43] Of course, "override" here means "come after in the cascade". A more specific rule from the earlier stylesheet will still take precedence. [00:36:34] 03(NEW) Missing "Deletion log" select option in betawiki log with French interface - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17746 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (wiki.pierroman) [00:36:35] Marybelle, I think I'll reupload everything again [00:36:52] SVN is nice. [00:37:40] what? get the latest? [00:37:45] daily build? [00:45:41] Simetrical: It does now. Forgot i need to use monobook2.css [00:45:53] Ah, custom skin. [00:46:00] MonoBook2.php uses #p-by_tracklist_state { display:none !important; } [00:46:05] bah [00:46:12] require_once('MonoBook.php'); [00:47:11] Hey tim, regarding https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12130 (some browsers treat

foo the same as <textarea>\nfoo which means you can save newlines at the top but can't see them, and very annoyingly <textarea>\nfoo will ruin a null edit)... is it a recent change that you can add a single blank newline that the next poor sap's null edit will catch? or has it been the case forever?
[00:50:15] <Splarka>	steps to recreate: in FF, go to a page, edit, add one blank newline to the top, save... and then try to null edit it later
[00:51:22] <werdnum>	Wow, SpecialCentralAuth is a MESS
[00:56:24] <TimStarling>	Splarka: sounds like it would have always been the case
[00:56:45] <werdnum>	So we should ltrim() wikitext on-save?
[00:56:58] <werdnum>	but only for newlines
[00:58:40] <memzy>	dont mozilla have channels on freenode?
[00:58:53] <memzy>	maybe one of the devs is interested in fixing it that end
[00:59:02] <Splarka>	memzy: affects many browsers, see bug
[00:59:19] <Splarka>	is apparently a 'feature' so you can write <textarea> alone on a line
[00:59:50] <Splarka>	if it afflicted them all the same it could be worked around
[01:00:29] <Splarka>	werdnum: another problem is it also happens in sections, so you can't get ==Foo==\n\nBar to stick
[01:00:35] <memzy>	lemme actually have a look at it
[01:01:13] <memzy>	how hard is PHP to learn would you say?
[01:01:51] <Splarka>	on a scale of BASIC to assembly?
[01:02:07] <Simetrical>	memzy, do you know how to program in any other language?
[01:02:20] <Simetrical>	Splarka, bring it up with the WHATWG!
[01:04:56] <memzy>	some basic when I was 6
[01:04:58] <memzy>	lol
[01:05:13] <Simetrical>	memzy, then the relevant question is "how hard is programming to learn?"
[01:05:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Missing "Deletion log" select option in betawiki log with French interface - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17746  15enhancement->normal; +comment (10wikipedia)
[01:06:20] <memzy>	I think I lack the concentration or motivation, I can understand the concepts but my mind alway wandered off
[01:06:48] <memzy>	always wanted to find a focused class which wasnt offered by idiots for idiots
[01:06:58] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) History shows only one revision when a deleted page has been recreated - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17745  normal->lowest; +comment (10wikipedia)
[01:07:02] <memzy>	but noone was running any round here
[01:07:05] <Simetrical>	memzy, classes are not the way to learn how to program.  The way to learn how to program is to do it.
[01:07:20] <Simetrical>	Read some tutorials and make up a project to work on to get yourself some basic skills.
[01:07:35] <Simetrical>	Then you can try to contribute to real projects.
[01:07:49] <memzy>	yeah I always got stuck in the theory and letting my mind wander off to other subjects
[01:08:24] <Simetrical>	I first learned how to program by writing an IRC bot.  It was fun because people liked the bot.
[01:09:55] <flyingparchment>	most programming "tutorials" are worse than useless
[01:10:26] <memzy>	yes
[01:10:40] <memzy>	and most training offered locally atleast makes those look good
[01:10:57] <Lum|n3>	what's a better alternative, then, to the tuts? just reading the reference guides?
[01:11:58] <Simetrical>	Yes, you should always read the programming language's official reference guide, if any.
[01:12:20] <Simetrical>	The real way you should learn is to get a small amount of relatively comprehensible code to copy-paste and fidget with.
[01:12:24] <Simetrical>	That's what tutorials are good for.
[01:12:37] <Simetrical>	Because they tend to contain some trivial stuff that you can mess with relatively easily.
[01:12:40] <TimStarling>	I learnt BASIC from a combination of a few children's programming books from the local library, and a quick reference guide to Atari ST BASIC
[01:12:59] <TimStarling>	we didn't have the net back then
[01:13:04] <Viper550>	<memzy> no , they have their own net
[01:13:09] <werdnum>	Simetrical is right, tinkering is the BEST way to learn
[01:13:27] <Lum|n3>	so... what sets apart a novice, from an intermediate, to an expert programmer, for any given language?
[01:13:45] <TimStarling>	also I had a collection of old computer magazines, handed down from some neighbour who didn't want them anymore
[01:13:54] <TimStarling>	they had a lot of fun BASIC listings
[01:14:13] <TimStarling>	that's how I started writing mandelbrot programs
[01:14:34] <werdnum>	Lum|n3: Experience, mostly.
[01:14:47] <werdnum>	Manual lookups per line of code :P
[01:15:14] <Lum|n3>	lol
[01:16:19] <memzy>	 dont suppose anyones reprinted those magazines online Tim?
[01:16:56] <Simetrical>	Lum|n3, how good the code is that you write.  How many bugs it has, how efficient it is, how quickly you were able to write it, how easy it is for others to understand and maintain.
[01:16:57] <memzy>	I see you use your real name in the real name field of your IRC client too.. and you even use it as your nick
[01:17:02] <memzy>	on an unrelated note..
[01:17:23] <memzy>	isnt it statistically impossible that you havent been killed by a freaky weirdo?
[01:17:56] <memzy>	I thought I was the only one immune to letting people know my name
[01:18:53] <Lum|n3>	neat criteria Simetrical :o
[01:19:13] <CIA-60>	03nad * r47917 10/trunk/extensions/RecordAdmin/RecordAdmin_body.php: search results should treat content as wikitext
[01:19:23] <Simetrical>	memzy, astonishingly, most people are not murdered by serial killers the moment they publish their names.
[01:19:32] <Simetrical>	This is true on the Internet *and* in real life, too!
[01:19:37] <TimStarling>	memzy: we have the internet now, we don't need magazines
[01:20:08] <memzy>	true
[01:20:14] <memzy>	nostalgia is fun though
[01:20:50] <Simetrical>	TimStarling, there's a thread on wikitech-l that maybe you could answer, about whether FlaggedRevs will be turned on on enwiki.
[01:22:50] <memzy>	yeah
[01:23:03] <werdnum>	Sigh.
[01:23:19] <werdnum>	I think we'll all step the fuck away and let Brion reply :)
[01:23:29] <Simetrical>	:)
[01:23:32] <memzy>	several times I told folk my address in open channel and had a dozen people message me warning me not to be so naive
[01:23:41] <Simetrical>	Remember the fun when it was two-thirds in favor of rollback?
[01:23:44] <memzy>	oddly enough the serial killers still didnt fnd me
[01:23:48] <Simetrical>	I can just imagine what 59% will be like.
[01:23:51] <Simetrical>	Albeit 59% + Jimbo.
[01:23:59] <Lum|n3>	memzy how do you know they just didnt queue you up on their lists?
[01:24:05] <werdnum>	Yeah, but Jimmy doesn't have any authority whatsoever, really.
[01:24:07] <Simetrical>	memzy, I started using my real name a while ago for professional purposes.
[01:24:11] <Simetrical>	I.e., Google hits.
[01:24:29] <Lum|n3>	i invented a business name specifically for doing business :o
[01:24:34] <Simetrical>	werdnum, well, at least not for tech stuff.
[01:24:40] <Lum|n3>	(hint: Captain America is taken)
[01:24:45] <werdnum>	I have no chance of taking over google for my name. I'm an Australian winemaker
[01:24:58] <memzy>	I've done it since I was 12 and its only in the last two three years someone online didnt take me aside and warn me about the dangers of it every week
[01:25:00] <memzy>	lol
[01:25:06] <memzy>	atleast once a week
[01:25:40] <werdnum>	and an explorer, and all that stuff
[01:26:00] <MrZ-man|lazin>	werdnum: you could start your own winery
[01:26:36] <Simetrical>	I have a nice, unique name.  Kind of a double-edged sword.
[01:27:01] <memzy>	I made up a truely unique name I plan to change to if I ever need to market myself
[01:27:51] <werdnum>	I've heard it suggested that I use my middle initial to try and differentiate myself
[01:27:59] <werdnum>	but I really can't be bothered.
[01:28:19] <Marybelle>	Yes. People do that frequently.
[01:28:22] <Marybelle>	Or middle initial.
[01:28:27] <Marybelle>	Or middle name. *
[01:28:40] <memzy>	why not just make up a new one?
[01:28:56] <werdnum>	Look, a new Special:CentralAuth
[01:28:57] <werdnum>	http://imagebin.ca/view/7uBA1iUb.html
[01:29:01] <werdnum>	Any suggestions before I commit it?
[01:29:10] <memzy>	the names were purely practical once, then they were compulsory, there is history attached but.. theres no deep meaning
[01:29:15] <memzy>	none I can see anyhow
[01:29:19] <Simetrical>	Are we supposed to know what the old one looked like?
[01:29:47] <memzy>	old name?
[01:30:05] <memzy>	oh the auth sig
[01:30:06] <Simetrical>	Old CentralAuth.
[01:30:09] <memzy>	interface
[01:30:11] <memzy>	doh
[01:30:14] <werdnum>	Simetrical: Let me find a screenshot...
[01:30:41] <memzy>	I like the classic aqua look
[01:32:47] <Splarka>	the head Wikia tech was (is?) "John Q. Smith"
[01:33:02] <werdnum>	Simetrical: http://imagebin.ca/view/xLZ3nU7n.html
[01:33:33] *Simetrical 	mehs
[01:35:38] <TimStarling>	he signs "John Q"
[01:35:50] <werdnum>	John Quimby, IIRC
[01:35:58] <TimStarling>	more unique than John Smith
[01:37:14] *Simetrical 	goes off to do quantum mechanics homework, which he's like a month behind on
[01:39:35] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) FilePage: Display thumbnail column only if image - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17747 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Images; (subfader)
[01:41:43] <MattHardwick>	how would I edit what's in the toolbox - I tried MediaWiki:Toolbox but that didn't work.
[01:42:18] <Splarka>	the toolbox is generated by context, you can't edit it
[01:42:48] <Splarka>	you can change the words (translation) and some of the links (sometimes) and some options are dependant on configuration (like upload)
[01:43:08] <MattHardwick>	is that configuration in the config file?
[01:43:14] <Subfader>	bad advise: but you can hack MonoBook.php
[01:43:32] <Splarka>	some of them are
[01:44:09] <Splarka>	better advice: write an extension to hook into the skin and change it
[01:44:22] <Splarka>	MattHardwick: do you want to add links, remove links, edit links, or rearrange?
[01:44:45] <MattHardwick>	I want to add the upload files link to it for starters
[01:44:49] <Subfader>	on my wishlist: more php skills
[01:45:13] <MattHardwick>	and also add a link Special:ListFiles
[01:45:31] <Splarka>	well, you just have to enable uploads for the first
[01:45:45] <Splarka>	!upload
[01:45:45] --mwbot--	File uploads are disabled per default, set $wgEnableUploads=true to enable it. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads> for configuration details, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Managing_files> and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images> for using uploaded images and other files.
[01:45:56] <Splarka>	for the second, it might be easier to add it to the Sidebar
[01:45:58] <Splarka>	or via javascript...
[01:46:13] <MattHardwick>	yeh probably, just seems a little unrelated to the content that's already in it.
[01:46:27] <Splarka>	addOnloadHook(function() {addPortletLink('p-tb','/wiki/Special:ListFiles','List files')})
[01:46:39] <MattHardwick>	I was hoping there was an easy way of editing it, like MediaWiki:Toolbox or something :p
[01:46:52] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar#Add_or_remove_sections_.28JavaScript.29
[01:46:59] <Splarka>	lots of people wish that
[01:47:06] <MattHardwick>	hehe thanks
[01:47:09] <MattHardwick>	will have a play
[01:47:37] <Splarka>	TimStarling: per your "if a lot of people keep repeatedly asking for it and it isn't a performance hit maybe it should be done", how about a way to append Sidebar-style links to the toolbox, ^_^
[01:48:10] <TimStarling>	sure, why not
[01:48:22] *Splarka 	checks if there is already an open bug
[01:48:31] <TimStarling>	* TOOLBOX
[01:48:35] <TimStarling>	** my link
[01:48:41] <TimStarling>	wouldn't be hard
[01:48:48] <Splarka>	some advanced features could be useful too, like $1 for the current page name
[01:49:04] <Splarka>	** {{fullurl:$1|action=edit}}|edit this page
[01:49:16] *Splarka 	hides
[01:50:02] <Splarka>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4086
[01:52:04] <Splarka>	one problem with that would be... you'd *have* to define TOOLBOX
[01:52:37] <Splarka>	which, if you want it to appear below something like the new collection extension portlet, can't be defined
[01:53:17] *Splarka 	puts that in the bug, brbs
[01:53:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Support appending to the toolbox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4086  (10herd)
[02:06:16] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r47918 10/trunk/phase3/includes/parser/Parser.php: short-circuit replaceVariables() for all the empty text that seems to come in
[02:23:36] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r47919 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/ (CentralAuth.i18n.php CentralAuth.php SpecialCentralAuth.php): Partial redesign with refactoring of CentralAuth admin interface. Merged lock/hide/unlock/unhide/lockandhide forms into a single 'change status' form, refactored submission code out from the main form body, etc
[02:37:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Anchors produce empty pl_title values in pagelinks table - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17713  (10mediawiki)
[03:04:42] <uberfuzzy>	what would i have to set so that only logged in users can use a special page?
[03:07:18] <Charitwo>	what special page
[03:07:38] <uberfuzzy>	one that doesnt exist yet
[03:08:01] <uberfuzzy>	should i assign it a right, and only give that to user group? or is there a better way?
[03:08:08] <Charitwo>	set the permissions for the page in SpecialFoobar.php ?
[03:08:56] <werdnum>	Look for an example
[03:45:48] <Subfader>	I can I use ** Category:Show|Show in the sidebar without using Common.js and with having "Show" translated?
[03:50:41] <Subfader>	never mind. late here
[05:10:17] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Allow specifying what namespaces to generate sitemaps for, from the php command line - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17748 trivial; normal; MediaWiki: Maintenance scripts; (jidanni)
[05:20:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow specifying what namespaces to generate sitemaps for, from the php command line - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17748  trivial->15enhancement (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[06:01:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New variable giving USERNAME - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4196  +comment (10anon.hui)
[06:02:04] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add "UNTIL" option to RecentChanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17749 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: RecentChanges; (jidanni)
[06:03:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) {{REVISIONUSER}} to print name of editor of current revision - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10336   +need-review +patch (10soxred93)
[06:03:59] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) local timezone conversion / {{USERTIME}}, {{USERLOCALTIME}} for time formatting / signature time expansion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14286  +comment (10anon.hui)
[06:22:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add "UNTIL" option to RecentChanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17749  (10jidanni)
[06:27:23] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Recentchanges should ignore days= if from= present in the query string - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17750 minor; normal; MediaWiki: RecentChanges; (jidanni)
[06:44:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Missing "Deletion log" select option in betawiki log with French interface - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17746  +comment (10siebrand)
[06:48:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Missing "Deletion log" select option in betawiki log with French interface - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17746  (10siebrand)
[07:09:23] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Wantedpages "Invalid title in result set" gives no additional clues for Sysop - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17751 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (jidanni)
[07:21:04] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Taiwan site shouldn't need to open the China messages file if all strings were present - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17752 trivial; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (jidanni)
[07:21:41] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r47920 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/maintenance/updateStats.inc: minor cache tweak
[07:33:27] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Taiwan site shouldn't need to open the China messages file if all strings were present - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17752  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[07:36:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wantedpages "Invalid title in result set" gives no additional clues for Sysop - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17751  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[07:38:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Recentchanges should ignore days= if from= present in the query string - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17750  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[07:39:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Recentchanges should ignore days= if from= present in the query string - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17750  +comment (10Andrew)
[07:40:13] <werdnum>	jidanni files lots of annoying bugs
[07:42:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) local timezone conversion / {{USERTIME}}, {{USERLOCALTIME}} for time formatting / signature time expansion - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14286  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[07:45:37] <CIA-60>	03river * r47921 10/trunk/tools/trainwreck/ (Makefile config.c config.h status.h trainwreck.c twctl.c): configuration file should be specified on command line; control door path should come from config file, instead of being set at compile time
[07:46:18] <werdnum>	flyingparchment: what's trainwreck?
[07:46:37] <flyingparchment>	connects to a mysql server, reads the binlogs and applies them to another server
[07:49:01] <werdnum>	that's pretty cool
[07:49:38] <flyingparchment>	it shouldn't really exist, but mysql only supports one master server, so..
[07:53:40] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r47922 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): UI tweaks for stats
[07:56:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Garbled page Special:Blockip - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17743  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[08:07:05] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) zh-tw page names use many synonyms for URLs, e.g., <a href=BIG>LARGE</a> - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17742  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[08:10:39] <Alphos>	is there a way to get a list of all existing namespaces through the API ?
[08:10:50] <Alphos>	(and their names, of course)
[08:11:13] <gorkem_>	hi, how can I show how many pages are in the wiki, and how many times they have been accessed? 
[08:13:17] <Splarka>	Alphos: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=namespaces|namespacealiases&format=jsonfm
[08:13:35] <Alphos>	ooh, thanks !
[08:13:49] <Alphos>	yet another function in the API :D
[08:14:08] <Splarka>	reading http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php helps
[08:14:31] <gorkem>	can't mediawiki support showing # of pages and how much a particular page is accessed?
[08:14:33] <Alphos>	well, you know the thing, I thought I read all of it XD
[08:15:09] <Splarka>	gorkem: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words#Statistics
[08:15:55] <Alphos>	I guess last month's API manual isn't sufficient today ^^'
[08:17:40] <CIA-60>	03river * r47923 10/trunk/tools/trainwreck/ (7 files): 
[08:17:40] <CIA-60>	- remove multi-threaded writers, as it never really worked and isn't used
[08:17:40] <CIA-60>	- add configuration options for several command-line options
[08:18:15] <gorkem>	Splarka: wow it worked, thanks a lot !
[08:19:30] <Splarka>	rar
[08:19:53] <Alphos>	gorkem I'm afraid there's no such thing as a visitcounter ;)
[08:20:12] <Alphos>	there IS a number of edits though
[08:21:56] <gorkem>	well ... I used #of pages, # of edits and users, which is more than fine for a quick look... yes, NUMBEROFVIEWS didnt work :(
[08:22:53] <Alphos>	;)
[08:23:24] <Splarka>	Alphos: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/42721
[08:23:30] <Splarka>	it exists in 1.14+
[08:23:36] <Alphos>	hm
[08:23:49] <Splarka>	which is clearly stated on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words#Statistics in the versions column
[08:24:23] <Alphos>	Number of page views. Usually useless on a wiki using caching. :/
[08:24:23] <Splarka>	but anyway, the hit counter has existed since forever (before I ever heard of mediawiki anyway, 1.3 or earlier), but you rarely see it as it needs no caching
[08:25:01] <Alphos>	not shown on meta, 'nyway
[08:28:52] <CIA-60>	03river * r47924 10/trunk/tools/trainwreck/ (config.c trainwreck.c): 
[08:28:52] <CIA-60>	- not being able to open stored binlog state should be a fatal error
[08:28:52] <CIA-60>	- allow empty lines in config
[08:28:52] <CIA-60>	- fix fsync config option
[08:31:36] <gorkem>	Splarka: hit counter? how can I make it shown? 
[08:32:07] <Splarka>	did you install the wiki yourself?
[08:32:18] <gorkem>	no
[08:33:12] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgDisableCounters
[08:33:44] <gorkem>	ah .. ok..
[08:33:45] <Splarka>	then you need to ask someone with access to the LocalSettings.php
[08:33:50] <gorkem>	many thanks...
[08:33:57] <gorkem>	yup..
[08:34:05] <Splarka>	often it is easier to use a third party counter, like an image counter
[08:41:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Missing "Deletion log" select option in betawiki log with French interface - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17746  (10siebrand)
[09:02:30] <CIA-60>	03mkroetzsch * r47926 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/languages/SMW_LanguagePt.php: +Portuguese month names
[09:07:33] <kraut>	moin
[09:12:55] <GerardM->	good morning kraut
[09:14:15] <kraut>	moin GerardM- 
[09:15:42] <TimStarling>	hi GerardM
[09:15:51] <GerardM->	Hoi Tim
[09:16:07] <TimStarling>	saw your bit of trolling on wikitech-l
[09:16:20] <GerardM->	That was not trolling
[09:16:44] <TimStarling>	it's funny how all sorts of threads can turn into discussions about small wikis isn't it?
[09:16:53] <GerardM->	please help me undestand why other projects have to wait while English every whim is catered for ?
[09:17:03] <TimStarling>	well, I think either you are or David is, I'm not quite sure which
[09:17:10] <TimStarling>	maybe you're just trolling each other
[09:17:46] <GerardM->	It is not about small wikis really
[09:17:47] <p858snake>	is that the flagged revs thread?
[09:18:07] <GerardM->	it is about making sure that operational work is done in a timely manne
[09:18:28] <GerardM->	I am in favour of having Flagged revisions go live ..
[09:18:47] <TimStarling>	well, there are more 26 times more registered users in the english wikipedia than there are speakers of Pontic Greek
[09:18:55] <GerardM->	So ?
[09:19:20] <GerardM->	you just define discrimination
[09:19:31] <GerardM->	they do not count because there are few of them
[09:19:32] <TimStarling>	well, you asked
[09:20:05] <flyingparchment>	i don't see a problem with discriminating against smaller wikipedias... they are, generally, less important
[09:20:19] <GerardM->	the point should be that all such requests are done in a timely manner
[09:20:51] <Splarka>	it isn't discrimination that people with higher incomes buy more expensive houses, or eat better... it just isn't /pure/ communism... and WP:NOT can tell you what Wikipedia isn't, in that regard
[09:20:53] <GerardM->	there is no excuse for that.. and bold faced discriminiation is the last argument that shoud justify it
[09:21:25] <Splarka>	the donations drive the technology, and the larger projects bring in the donations
[09:21:33] <GerardM->	Splarka, this is not about Wikipedia. This is about operational procedures
[09:21:47] <GerardM->	all the work needs doing
[09:22:11] <TimStarling>	so you think non-discrimination would mean that equal resources should be allocated to English and Pontic Greek?
[09:22:20] <GerardM->	it is not that Flagged Revisions should not be done, it is that the other work should also be done
[09:22:21] <TimStarling>	$3M for each?
[09:22:33] <GerardM->	No donot be silly
[09:22:49] <TimStarling>	really you just want some wikis created
[09:22:54] <GerardM->	yes
[09:23:08] <GerardM->	and I have asked it politely, I have asked it in peson
[09:23:12] <Splarka>	well, endlessy arguing about it with those who could be working on things, /does/ create an equal lack of work on any project...
[09:23:19] <GerardM->	I have crossed the t and dotted the i
[09:23:32] <Splarka>	equality through bureaucratic congress, yay
[09:23:53] <flyingparchment>	it's funny how when shell requests don't get done, everyone whines, but when they do, no one says thank you
[09:23:53] <TimStarling>	do you know why it hasn't been done?
[09:23:59] <flyingparchment>	i wonder why no shell requests ever get done...
[09:24:23] <TimStarling>	wiki creation wasn't always a shell request you know
[09:24:37] <GerardM->	projects have been created after the announcement of the change to CC-by-sa
[09:24:44] <TimStarling>	for a while, you just went to the domain and clicked the "create wiki" button
[09:24:52] <TimStarling>	unauthenticated
[09:25:42] <GerardM->	That resulted in a backlash because now there are so many non functional wikis
[09:25:59] <TimStarling>	now it's more complicated: http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/Add_a_language
[09:26:14] <GerardM->	reading
[09:26:57] <TimStarling>	it's not properly scripted, the scripts are ad-hoc and subject to bit rot
[09:27:24] <GerardM->	TimStarling do you want me to update this document for you ?
[09:27:39] <GerardM->	because it does not need to be this difficult
[09:28:02] <TimStarling>	what, in the first two points?
[09:28:18] <GerardM->	yes
[09:29:02] <GerardM->	the external link is also wrong
[09:29:21] <GerardM->	because it has no bearing on new WMF languages
[09:29:45] <flyingparchment>	i think the first two bits are the least difficult part of creating a new wiki
[09:29:50] <flyingparchment>	at least for the ones i did
[09:30:23] <TimStarling>	if you like you can just write what they should be here in IRC and I'll edit it for you
[09:30:28] <TimStarling>	but yes, it's not the hardest part
[09:30:29] <GerardM->	they are the things that a developer does not want to get involved in
[09:30:46] <flyingparchment>	don't need to get involved... the guy who opens the bugs provides all the details you need
[09:31:04] <flyingparchment>	(used to be a pain before the new language committee)
[09:34:36] <TimStarling>	dinner, bbl
[09:51:36] <GerardM->	Tim a text is on its way
[09:52:02] <GerardM->	flyingparchment ... absolutely
[09:52:14] <GerardM->	there is already localisation
[09:52:26] <GerardM->	no need for an update of the names.php
[10:57:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wrong HTML redirect when using Exhibit - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17446  summary; +comment (10markus)
[10:58:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Timeline: broken by displaying bulleted or numbered lists in pop ups - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14442  summary (10markus)
[10:59:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Timeline: too many requests for components - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12590  summary (10markus)
[10:59:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Eventline: each pop-up's title has a garbled link to the date heading - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15277  summary (10markus)
[11:00:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Timeline: Javascript conflict between Headertabs and timeline inline queries - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14897  summary (10markus)
[11:02:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Googlepie: too few colors - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14761  summary (10markus)
[11:02:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Exhibit: Wrong HTML redirect - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17446  summary (10markus)
[11:03:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Vcard: support more fields in vCard - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16653  summary (10markus)
[11:04:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Exhibit: Spaces bettween facets - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17244  summary (10markus)
[11:04:53] <awilliams>	Is there anyone around for help? I'm significantly irritated trying to figure out some stuff with mediawiki.
[11:05:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Exhibit: Linking is not correct - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17144  summary (10markus)
[11:05:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Ploticus: not working at all - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17137  summary (10markus)
[11:07:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Ploticus: Create skin to take advantage of CSS support - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17522  summary (10markus)
[11:07:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Ploticus: Create Special page showing Semantic Statistics using plots/charts - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17589  summary (10markus)
[11:07:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Pictures just as Link - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17136  +comment (10markus)
[11:07:51] <TimStarling>	awilliams: yes
[11:08:39] <awilliams>	Okay. I'm trying make my own special page. Just so it can replace the main_page. Is there some way to simply get an article's body given the text file? I've been marching around the wiki code for hours trying stuff.
[11:09:39] <TimStarling>	you mean from the ordinary edit page?
[11:10:16] <awilliams>	no. I mean making my own php file in extentions. I've been able to create a page and it appears. But I have been unable to find the code to simply get the body of an article.
[11:10:22] <awilliams>	we're talkin' php here :)
[11:10:45] <TimStarling>	so when you say text file... you mean article title?
[11:11:34] <awilliams>	no. Sorry. I mean like the text in the body of the article. So if the article is "Britany Spears" I want all the text on Britany Spears"
[11:11:48] <TimStarling>	following redirects?
[11:12:15] <awilliams>	eh don't really want it to follow redirects. This is entirely special case based. Only one article I want to display on main_page
[11:12:36] <TimStarling>	$title = Title::newFromText( 'Britany Spears' );
[11:12:44] <TimStarling>	if ( !$title ) { ... invalid title... }
[11:12:57] <TimStarling>	$revision = Revision::newFromTitle( $title );
[11:13:08] <TimStarling>	if ( !$revision ) { ... page doesn't exist... }
[11:13:17] <TimStarling>	$text = $revision->getText();
[11:13:25] <awilliams>	okay. I'
[11:13:37] <awilliams>	I've tried that. I'll try it again. Thanks. Give me a moment.
[11:15:33] <awilliams>	jesus christ it worked. FINALLY. Thank you very much Tim :)
[11:15:46] <awilliams>	lol I wonder what I did before...
[11:17:38] <awilliams>	I was searching up and down Article.php and Revision.php. Reading comments ect. wow
[11:19:39] <RoanKattouw>	awilliams: Let me get this straight: you basically just want [[Britney Spears]] as your main page right?
[11:20:33] <RoanKattouw>	In that case you should just edit [[MediaWiki;mainpage]] to read "Britney Spears" (without the quotes) and make [[Main Page]] a redirect to [[Britney Spears]] for good measure
[11:23:15] <awilliams>	Roan, I appreciate the recommendation, but it's not the only thing I want on the main page :) I want other things as well.
[11:24:45] <RoanKattouw>	heh KO
[11:24:46] <RoanKattouw>	*OK
[11:25:15] <awilliams>	:) yes.. its been rather grueling. Plus I've done no php since '06.
[11:25:21] <awilliams>	Thanks for your help guys
[11:25:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Windows PHP 5.2.6 precompiled binaries and Postgresql numeric version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16937  (10roan.kattouw)
[11:26:46] <RoanKattouw>	TimStarling: Could you be bothered to review my patch on bug 10172 (ENotif issues)?
[11:29:14] <RoanKattouw>	awilliams: Do you know about the autogenerated documentation at http://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/classArticle.html ?
[11:29:27] <RoanKattouw>	(similar URLs for other classes)
[11:29:47] <awilliams>	woof. No I didn't thank you :)
[11:30:05] <awilliams>	I've been reading code comments and brute forcing stuff.
[11:32:21] <TimStarling>	RoanKattouw: why does it join on the user table in notifyOnPageChange(), instead of just using wl_user?
[11:32:47] <RoanKattouw>	WTF, do I do that? :O
[11:33:09] <RoanKattouw>	TimStarling: Oops :P legacy code from when it still fetched user_name, will fix
[11:34:54] <TimStarling>	+		if ( empty( $ids ) )
[11:34:54] <TimStarling>	+			return null; // Database::select() doesn't like this
[11:35:04] <TimStarling>	*cough*
[11:35:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) The "changed since last visit" flag is not working correctly (watchlist items bold randomly etc.) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10172  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[11:35:54] <RoanKattouw>	TimStarling: Is that a complaint about the use of empty() or about returning null in that case in general?
[11:36:25] <RoanKattouw>	Because I'm pretty sure I'm dealing with an array there, since $ids is the return value of array_map()
[11:36:28] <TimStarling>	good point
[11:36:32] <TimStarling>	both
[11:36:46] <RoanKattouw>	(I probably do wanna cast array_map()'s second arg to an array)
[11:37:48] <TimStarling>	if it's always an array, then you can use "!$ids"
[11:37:52] <RoanKattouw>	The problem is that there's no clean way to create an empty result
[11:38:08] <RoanKattouw>	Ah, an empty UserArray I mean
[11:38:11] <TimStarling>	if you think that maybe you made a typo in the variable name and you don't want PHP to warn you if so, because you'd rather cover it up, then you should use empty($ids)
[11:38:11] <RoanKattouw>	(both, actually)
[11:38:34] <TimStarling>	use array()
[11:38:53] <RoanKattouw>	heh
[11:38:59] <TimStarling>	it has the same iteration properties as an empty UserArray
[11:39:36] <RoanKattouw>	Hmm yeah that's true. It doesn't have next() methods and such, but I guess we don't use those anyway (we just use foreach())
[11:40:36] <TimStarling>	if you want it to have the same methods, you can use new ArrayIterator(array())
[11:40:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) The "changed since last visit" flag is not working correctly (watchlist items bold randomly etc.) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10172  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[11:40:50] <RoanKattouw>	Hmph well IIRC we don't actually use those methods anywhere
[11:40:53] <RoanKattouw>	TimStarling: This better? ---^
[11:42:06] <TimStarling>	so the problem is that the wl_notificationtimestamp update was being done from the job queue, right?
[11:42:28] <TimStarling>	or was it after the job queue insertion but in the same request?
[11:45:53] <TimStarling>	it could take an awfully long time
[11:45:58] <RoanKattouw>	Right now, it's being done from inside the job queue, which means it could potentially get delayed for a long time without a good reason
[11:46:09] <TimStarling>	there could be hundreds of update queries to do
[11:46:16] <jayvdb>	anyone familiar with this: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/FormatDates/
[11:46:19] <jayvdb>	?
[11:46:28] <RoanKattouw>	My patch moves it up to outside the job queue, before even inserting the job
[11:46:47] <RoanKattouw>	TimStarling: The way I read the code, there's one UPDATE query being done that potentially changes a lot of rows at once
[11:47:02] <TimStarling>	hm, right
[11:48:31] <RoanKattouw>	I have no idea how bad that UPDATE query is, that's why I put it up for review rather than just committing it, but I do know that it's only one query
[11:49:35] <TimStarling>	well, it has a transaction around it
[11:49:51] <TimStarling>	which probably means it crashed the wiki at some point due to the lack of one
[11:50:31] <RoanKattouw>	heh
[11:50:38] <Hellodomi>	errr.
[11:52:00] <domas>	RoanKattouw: how big is the update query? :)
[11:52:26] <TimStarling>	it could be any size
[11:52:34] <TimStarling>	however many users are watching the article
[11:52:53] <RoanKattouw>	All users that are watching the article *and* whose timestamp hasn't been updated before
[11:52:54] <domas>	yay reverse watchlist
[11:53:06] <TimStarling>	flyingparchment: did you profile that update query it when you wrote the enotif job queue feature?
[11:53:19] <RoanKattouw>	So a second query shortly after the first one will update hardly any rows
[11:53:48] <TimStarling>	you mean a second edit?
[11:54:09] <RoanKattouw>	For the record, the query is UPDATE watchlist SET wl_notificationtimestamp = 'X' WHERE wl_namespace=N AND wl_title='X' AND wl_notificationtimestamp IS NULL
[11:54:18] <RoanKattouw>	Yes, on a second edit shortly after the first one
[11:54:34] <TimStarling>	it will still have to select them and lock them
[11:55:21] <RoanKattouw>	It SELECTs the very same rows right before (at least for some configurations), any chance I could exploit that using FOR UPDATE or whatever's out there?
[11:55:40] <TimStarling>	maybe you should specify the IDs
[11:55:52] <TimStarling>	hmm
[11:56:06] <RoanKattouw>	You mean something like UPDATE ... WHERE wl_user IN (1,2,3,..) ?
[11:56:11] <TimStarling>	yes
[11:56:39] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah I could do that
[11:56:58] <domas>	the problem with this feature is that it will keep watchlist table hot for every user, even those who do not look at the site too much
[11:57:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Exhibit: Pictures just as Link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17136  summary; +comment (10dasch_87)
[11:57:13] <domas>	and if it is not hot, it will delay replication
[11:57:17] <TimStarling>	it won't work with the slave query though
[11:57:37] <RoanKattouw>	Argh no you're right I'd have to do the SELECT from the master too
[11:58:23] <TimStarling>	anyway, anything would be better than having it totally broken like it is now
[11:58:52] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah I guess so
[11:58:58] <TimStarling>	it wasn't quite this broken pre-EnotifNotifyJob was it?
[11:59:35] <RoanKattouw>	No, the job is what's breaking stuff
[11:59:41] <RoanKattouw>	(the delayed execution that is)
[11:59:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) MediaWiki message documentation (<noinclude>) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17715  (10Chippi_75)
[11:59:54] <domas>	delayed execution could check if user still needs notification
[12:00:00] <domas>	heeheee
[12:00:38] <TimStarling>	domas: what do you reckon? apart from the optimisation operator, what's the next best way to do it?
[12:01:40] <domas>	I wonder how common edge cases are
[12:01:51] <domas>	we could calculate changes every few hours :)
[12:02:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) The "changed since last visit" flag is not working correctly (watchlist items bold randomly etc.) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10172  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[12:02:34] <RoanKattouw>	Improved patch ---^
[12:04:31] <TimStarling>	yeah
[12:04:42] <TimStarling>	I think that's probably best
[12:05:02] <TimStarling>	with the old way, it hits the master anyway with the full query
[12:05:33] <TimStarling>	here, you hit the master first with the select, then with update
[12:05:45] <TimStarling>	and in the worst case, they'll be the same, but the master will have everything in memory still from the first one
[12:05:45] <RoanKattouw>	Hmm one of the advantages of using the SELECT result to do the UPDATE is that we don't do the UPDATE at all if the SELECT returned an empty set
[12:05:59] <TimStarling>	yes, that's good too
[12:06:12] <jayvdb>	I have created a new extension page.  http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Date_Formatter
[12:06:33] <jayvdb>	it would be helpful to know if it has been tested at all
[12:06:42] <TimStarling>	but the main reason I suggested it is to reduce the time it takes the query to replicate
[12:06:42] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Exhibit: Problem with 1.15 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17753 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticResultFormats; (dasch_87)
[12:06:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Exhibit: Problem with 1.15 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17753  15enhancement->normal (10dasch_87)
[12:07:51] <TimStarling>	one last thing:
[12:07:53] <TimStarling>	+			list( $user ) = $dbr->tableNamesN( 'user' );
[12:08:04] <TimStarling>	obsolete code left in
[12:08:07] <RoanKattouw>	Oh hey I don't need that any more :P
[12:08:12] <RoanKattouw>	Well spotted (again)
[12:08:13] <TimStarling>	other than that you can commit it, I think
[12:09:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) MediaWiki message documentation (<noinclude>) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17715  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[12:15:42] <CIA-60>	03catrope * r47927 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
[12:15:42] <CIA-60>	(bug 10172) Move setting the "changed since last visit" flags out of the job queue:
[12:15:43] <CIA-60>	* Move up the UPDATE query on wl_notificationtimestamp up to before scheduling the EnotifyNotifyJob
[12:15:43] <CIA-60>	* Move up the SELECT query fetching the users to be notified to before the UPDATE, and use its result for a more efficient UPDATE
[12:15:43] <CIA-60>	* Pass actuallyNotifyOnPageChange() and the EnotifyNotifyJob an array of user IDs
[12:15:46] <CIA-60>	* Add UserArray::newFromIDs()
[12:16:35] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) The "changed since last visit" flag is not working correctly (watchlist items bold randomly etc.) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10172  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[12:17:19] <RoanKattouw>	OK, now let's pray Brion allows this one to survive
[12:17:46] <TimStarling>	you should have mentioned that it's a regression
[12:17:53] <TimStarling>	he doesn't like regressions
[12:18:45] <RoanKattouw>	How is this a regression?
[12:18:57] <TimStarling>	maybe I'm using the term loosely, that's ok though
[12:19:01] <RoanKattouw>	Of some ancient commit that delayed notifications in the first place?
[12:19:50] <TimStarling>	it's something that used to work but some recent commit broke it, that's close enough to a regression
[12:20:51] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah
[12:22:31] <RoanKattouw>	Hmm added a comment that the bug is arguably a regression of r22110
[12:22:47] <RoanKattouw>	That sounds ancient, but it was less than 2 yrs ago :O
[12:22:59] <CIA-60>	03mkroetzsch * r47928 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/ (2 files in 2 dirs): use custom submit label for export button (fixing a bug report submitted to the Halo bugtracker)
[12:35:08] <WauloK>	I have a question about the intial config
[12:36:08] <RoanKattouw>	Ask away
[12:36:24] <WauloK>	I uploaded MediaWiki and when I browse to the config directory it doesn't load that index.php but the /index.php of the main website
[12:36:33] <WauloK>	MediaWiki is installed in /wiki/
[12:37:44] <RoanKattouw>	WauloK: URL?
[12:37:46] <WauloK>	http://vzalive.bangrocks.com/wiki/
[12:38:17] <WauloK>	if you click the link to set it up, it shows my /index.php of the main site
[12:38:18] <RoanKattouw>	WTF
[12:38:23] <WauloK>	yer :-/
[12:38:33] <RoanKattouw>	That's not a MediaWiki problem; something weird is going on at your server
[12:38:39] <WauloK>	ok
[12:39:02] <RoanKattouw>	Maybe a RewriteRule going wrong or something
[12:39:22] <WauloK>	damn
[12:39:38] <RoanKattouw>	Oh wait, you seem to be using /index.php as your 404 page
[12:39:52] <RoanKattouw>	So whenever you go to a page that doesn't exist, it'll go to /index.php
[12:40:00] <RoanKattouw>	(so make sure the /config directory actually exists)
[12:40:06] <WauloK>	oh i see. so it does
[12:40:24] <WauloK>	yeh the config dir is there. it has index.php in it and index.php5
[12:40:38] <RoanKattouw>	Hmm
[12:40:49] <RoanKattouw>	I gotta go to a test now, maybe someone else can help you
[12:41:12] <WauloK>	okay thanks
[12:41:48] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r47929 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Use lower case for "required"
[12:43:07] <alpaka>	how do I disable signing up in mediawiki? like this site: http://www.farsiweb.ir/wiki/Main_Page
[12:44:31] <alpaka>	how do I disable user registration?
[12:45:40] <alpaka>	 $wgGroupPermissions['*']['createaccount'] = false;
[12:50:44] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Use of $wgParser in query printers not always allowed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17754 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (markus)
[12:58:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) The "changed since last visit" flag is not working correctly (watchlist items bold randomly etc.) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10172  +comment (10mail)
[12:58:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) E-mail notifications are sent on every change (currently a wrong behaviour) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17084  (10mail)
[12:58:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) ENotif/EConfirm & further enhancements (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1932  (10mail)
[13:00:06] <MGrab>	hi to all
[13:00:15] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) The "changed since last visit" flag is not working correctly (watchlist items bold randomly etc.) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10172  +comment (10mail)
[13:28:33] <Danny_B>	MGrab: cau, uz ti bylo 15?
[13:28:56] <MGrab>	Danny_B: ne, proc se ptas
[13:29:42] <Danny_B>	MGrab: no ze jsi se chtel prihlasit do pobocky, tak jsem premyslel, jestli uz nenastal cas...
[13:52:19] <svip>	How do I add external links to the sidebar?
[13:54:25] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) suppression not working on deletedcontributions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17755 major; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (jayvdb)
[14:11:13] <NetHunter>	Is there any good way to find out how many sections an article has? I need to get an array of the sections in the page.
[14:11:52] <werdnum>	I think we use regexes in MediaWiki
[14:12:17] <NetHunter>	werdnum: I'd prefer to use the parser.
[14:12:37] <werdnum>	actually no, we used to use regexes
[14:12:45] <werdnum>	now we have a fancy schmancy preprocessor
[14:12:52] <NetHunter>	werdnum: :)
[14:12:54] <werdnum>	look at replaceSection
[14:13:23] <werdnum>	private function Parser::extractSections( $text, $section, $mode, $newText='' ) {
[14:13:28] <werdnum>	This looks like the function you want
[14:13:55] <NetHunter>	werdnum: It would be... But $section is an integer representing the section I need. There are 2 problems with that.
[14:14:07] <NetHunter>	werdnum: 1 - I need to know how many sections are there to get all of them
[14:14:26] <NetHunter>	werdnum: 2 - It parses the whole page each time to get one section - it's slow as hell.
[14:14:49] <NetHunter>	werdnum: Been wondering if there's a better way. Like how the TOC is built... Any idea where that happens?
[14:15:16] <werdnum>	I dunno, have a poke around
[14:15:27] <werdnum>	grep for tocList
[14:15:33] <NetHunter>	werdnum: Yeah, that's what I'm doing...
[14:15:57] <NetHunter>	hmm, ParserOutput::getSections looks good
[14:16:00] *NetHunter 	goes to look deeper
[14:16:49] <NetHunter>	werdnum: Thanks.
[14:17:23] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r47930 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/ (4 files): Fix careless error in suppression on SpecialDeletedContributions.
[14:17:25] <alpaka>	When I edit MediaWiki:monobook.css, my settings are stored in what file?
[14:17:32] *werdnum 	finally gets around to committing a four-character bugfix that he's been milling around half-heartedly testing for a while
[14:17:36] <werdnum>	hey, 4 files?
[14:17:38] <werdnum>	lol wut
[14:17:47] <NetHunter>	alpaka: DB
[14:17:49] <MGrab>	alpaka: in database
[14:18:55] <alpaka>	I want to set a background image in monobook.css, the image is in site.com/wiki, what relative url shall I use?
[14:19:50] <werdnum>	you shouldn't usually use relative paths
[14:19:58] <werdnum>	they break with subpages at least
[14:20:28] <NetHunter>	alpaka: /wiki/(file)
[14:24:27] <Duesentrieb>	werdnum: they break with pretty urls too, which is usually the problem
[14:28:08] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r47931 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/ (3 files): Partial revert of r47930, accidentally included half-done changes
[14:29:48] <alpaka>	http://azadrahkar.org/test/index.php?title=%D9%85%D8%AF%DB%8C%D8%A7%D9%88%DB%8C%DA%A9%DB%8C:Monobook.css
[14:29:57] <alpaka>	what's wrong with my style?
[14:30:13] <alpaka>	I don't see the background (Bg_gradinat_blue.png)
[14:30:53] <alpaka>	Bg_gradinat_blue.png is located at http://azadrahkar.org/test/
[14:38:22] <alpaka>	http://azadrahkar.org/test/index.php?title=%D9%85%D8%AF%DB%8C%D8%A7%D9%88%DB%8C%DA%A9%DB%8C:Monobook.css
[14:44:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Timeline: too many requests for components - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12590  (10sergey.chernyshev)
[14:45:04] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Do now show [automatically sighted] if a revision is suppressed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17756 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (raimond.spekking)
[14:45:55] <kopf>	Is it possible to terminate a MWDumper process and have it resume at the same point (# of revisions, or something) later?
[14:46:33] <alpaka>	what's wrong with my style? http://azadrahkar.org/test/index.php?title=%D9%85%D8%AF%DB%8C%D8%A7%D9%88%DB%8C%DA%A9%DB%8C:Monobook.css
[14:46:49] <alpaka>	I have set the background in the body section, but I don't see it
[14:47:24] <alpaka>	and yes I have refreshed my browser and have used different browsers such as firefox, konqueror and Galeon to see the site
[14:49:51] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) including text elsewhere on the page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17757 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: ParserFunctions; (andreengels)
[14:52:59] <MGrab>	alpaka: try this: body { background-color: #96AFC top left repeat-x; background-image: url(http://azadrahkar.org/Bg_gradinat_blue.png) !important; }
[14:54:08] <alpaka>	MGrab: thank you but I noticed what's going on, the css is not refreshed yet, when I click on my webpage and then click on View background image, it goes to the first url I entered for the background file
[14:54:34] <alpaka>	(http://azadrahkar.org/test/images/e/e8/Bg_gradinat_blue.png)
[14:54:44] <alpaka>	it must be http://azadrahkar.org/Bg_gradinat_blue.png
[14:55:27] <RoanKattouw>	alpaka: Do a hard refresh, with Ctrl+F5 (Firefox or IE)
[14:56:23] <alpaka>	RoanKattouw: I tested the site on a different windows machine, the problem is MediaWiki which does not use the current contents of MediaWiki:monobook.css
[14:56:29] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Search results crap when string includes 4 or less letter words - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17733  +comment (10subfader)
[14:56:38] <alpaka>	RoanKattouw: I already tried that on several machines
[14:57:13] <alpaka>	RoanKattouw: I guess deleting the MediaWiki:monobook.css and recreating it must solve the problem
[14:58:26] <RoanKattouw>	alpaka: Possibly; if you tried editing other stuff before this, it could also be that the right setting is overridden from somewhere else
[14:58:44] <alpaka>	RoanKattouw: no I didn't
[14:59:02] <Subfader>	MediaWiki:monobook.css ???
[14:59:10] <alpaka>	MGrab, RoanKattouw, thank you
[14:59:15] <alpaka>	Subfader: yes
[14:59:37] <Subfader>	oh this exists as well ;)
[14:59:48] <RoanKattouw>	Subfader: Yeah, MediaWiki:skinname.css for all skins, actually
[14:59:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Search results crap when string includes 4 or less letter words - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17733  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[15:01:40] <Subfader>	got a question about the search. why does http://www.mixesdb.com/db/index.php/Special:Search?search=Centro+Fly&fulltext=Search doesn't find http://www.mixesdb.com/db/index.php/Category:Centro_Fly ?
[15:02:55] <alpaka>	I deleted the MediaWiki:monobook.css page but the background url is still "http://azadrahkar.org/test/images/e/e8/Bg_gradinat_blue.png" instead of "http://azadrahkar.org/test/Bg_gradinat_blue.png"
[15:03:19] <alpaka>	(I reentered the css settings)
[15:03:24] <alpaka>	and resaved it
[15:04:07] <alpaka>	The problem is server-side, cause I have deleted all my browser files and retried
[15:05:22] <MGrab>	alpaka: Believe it or not, I pressed Ctrl+Shift+R and the background is the gradient
[15:05:33] <MGrab>	it must be problem on your side
[15:05:39] <alpaka>	MGrab: thank you :*
[15:06:02] <MGrab>	alpaka: you're welcome :)
[15:06:07] <alpaka>	MGrab: I guess it's the ISP caching the files
[15:06:41] <RoanKattouw>	alpaka: In that case, there's a hack that might work
[15:07:03] <alpaka>	RoanKattouw: I'm listening...
[15:07:05] <RoanKattouw>	Edit includes/DefaultSettings.php , find the line that says $wgStyleVersion = number; and increment that number by 1
[15:07:18] <alpaka>	ok
[15:11:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Schema change rotation script (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16012  15enhancement->normal (10roan.kattouw)
[15:11:37] <RoanKattouw>	Subfader: Rebuilt the search index yet?
[15:12:35] <RoanKattouw>	WTF, just searching Centro does find it
[15:13:29] <Subfader>	yes rebuilt
[15:14:18] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Search results incorrect for <4-letter words until search index is rebuilt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17733  major->minor; summary; +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[15:14:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Searches less than 4 characters long don't work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7726  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[15:16:17] <RoanKattouw>	Hmm weird
[15:19:36] <faceface>	hi, I'm looking at Extension:ArticleComments, and I want to make it play nicely with Extension:ConfirmEdit, any hints?
[15:19:57] <faceface>	currently it seems to skip any user restrictions what so ever.
[15:20:28] <faceface>	you can hear me before I ident right?
[15:20:42] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah, we can hear you
[15:20:50] <faceface>	:D
[15:22:10] <Subfader>	Roan: Sim reopened my https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17733 so there really seems to be a problem
[15:23:35] <faceface>	so basically how do I $talkArticle->doEdit($talkContent, $summary);
[15:23:52] <faceface>	but get a nice edit page with a captcha if required?
[15:24:00] <faceface>	http://jimbojw.com/wiki/index.php?title=ArticleComments
[15:24:18] <Simetrical>	Well, the problem is that the search index will need to be rebuilt, presumably.
[15:24:28] <Simetrical>	If it's rebuilt and still doesn't work, that's a separate problem.
[15:28:24] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Cannot download V0.6 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17758 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: SelectCategory; (ckellsworth)
[15:31:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Search results incorrect for <4-letter words until search index is rebuilt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17733  (10subfader)
[15:32:44] <faceface>	OK, let me rephrase my question, given an extension that generates pages, how do I make it work correctly with a captcha extension?
[15:33:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Search results incorrect for <4-letter words until search index is rebuilt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17733  (10subfader)
[15:34:21] <kopf>	Is it possible to terminate a MWDumper process and have it resume at the same point (# of revisions, or something) later?
[15:34:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Search results incorrect for <4-letter words - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17733  summary (10subfader)
[15:35:26] <faceface>	any pointer to code that does this would be welcome
[15:37:11] <alpaka>	I deleted the database and reinstalled the wiki, the background still points to the wrong location (I checked it on a new machine)
[15:39:33] <neothecat>	good morning.  i am a wike noobie.  is there any one a can add a default "crumb trail" when i create pages, instead of needing to explicitly add back links?
[15:40:45] <alpaka>	wow the problem got solved
[15:44:05] <CIA-60>	03jojo * r47932 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/ (Collection.body.php Collection.i18n.php): added system message coll-license_url with highest prio to be used for license info that can be overridden for each wiki
[15:45:33] <CIA-60>	03river * r47933 10/trunk/debs/wikimedia-task-dns-auth/ (authdns-update debian/changelog): 
[15:45:33] <CIA-60>	wikimedia-task-dns-auth (0.09) hardy; urgency=low
[15:45:33] <CIA-60>	* change toolserver server names
[15:45:33] <CIA-60>	-- River Tarnell <river@loreley.flyingparchment.org.uk> Mon, 02 Mar 2009 15:34:26 +0000
[15:48:52] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r47934 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/mediawiki-defines.txt: Follow up r47932: Message to be ignored for Translatewiki
[15:56:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Please allow sidebar links to be localisable for Wikimania 2009wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17295  +comment (10rhalsell)
[15:56:18] <Holt>	Would it be appropriate to ask questions about SUL here?
[15:56:39] <Simetrical>	Holt, either here or #wikimedia-tech, depending on the exact question.
[15:56:41] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Search results incorrect for <4-letter words - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17733  +comment (10subfader)
[15:57:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Remove {{DISPLAYTITLE:}} restrictions for wm2009wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17307  +comment (10rhalsell)
[15:57:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Search results incorrect for <4-letter words - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17733  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[16:01:05] <CIA-60>	03shinjiman * r47935 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesYue.php MessagesZh_hans.php MessagesZh_hant.php): Localisation updates Cantonese and Chinese
[16:04:36] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Database error triggered by abusefilter on page saving - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17759 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: AbuseFilter; (ilya.schurov)
[16:07:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Search results incorrect for <4-letter words - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17733  (10subfader)
[16:08:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Search results incorrect for <4-letter words - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17733  (10subfader)
[16:14:07] <Subfader>	I think I upgraded badly this time. When I try to run a maintenance script I get PHP Warning:  realpath(): SAFE MODE Restriction in effect.  php safe mode is not ON for my domain and I can run the scripts in the old directory though. Tried changing the permissions but nothing helps :(
[16:15:28] <faceface>	neothecat: yup, either add pages like "page/subpage/subsubpage" and enable .. er... what should he enable?
[16:15:37] <faceface>	or install the 'breadcrumbs' extension
[16:16:09] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enable Special:Nuke on pl.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15927  +comment (10rhalsell)
[16:16:16] <neothecat>	faceface: cool, i will look into that.  i am playing with drupal right now, and even though it is slightly prettier, wiki is much easier.
[16:24:07] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Search results incorrect for <4-letter words - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17733  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[16:29:00] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) The "changed since last visit" flag is not working correctly (watchlist items bold randomly etc.) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10172  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[16:29:36] <ctyler>	Question about rss extension (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:RSS) -- I'm getting output where all the < and > are converted to " ", so the format of post bodies in the feed looks like a bad job of spray painting. I suspect I'm missing something simple; any suggestions?
[16:30:46] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) E-mail notifications are sent on every change (currently a wrong behaviour) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17084  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[16:30:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Multiple duplicate identical email notifications (enotif) being sent by job queue - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17620  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[17:06:15] <CIA-60>	03yaron * r47936 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticResultFormats/README: Added BibTeX format
[17:07:58] <CIA-60>	03yaron * r47937 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticResultFormats/SRF_Settings.php: Version 1.4.3: added 'BibTeX' format
[17:09:14] <CIA-60>	03yaron * r47938 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticResultFormats/RELEASE-NOTES: Version 1.4.3: added 'BibTeX' format
[17:10:15] <CIA-60>	03yaron * r47939 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticResultFormats/SRF_Messages.php: New value, 'srf_bibtex_link'
[17:10:44] <CIA-60>	03yaron * r47940 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticResultFormats/BibTeX/ (. SRF_BibTeX.php): New 'BibTeX' format, written by Steren Giannini
[17:13:39] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r47941 10/trunk/extensions/ (4 files in 3 dirs): svn:eol-style native
[17:17:39] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r47942 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/mediawiki-defines.txt: Follow up r47939: Message to be ignored for Translatewiki
[17:47:13] <kr1s>	Hi, i installed my mediawiki via apt-get and started the /config/index.php to generate it. If i want to show the wiki via localhost/mediawiki i get the error message Error, Setup.php must be included from the file scope, after DefaultSettings.php 
[17:50:38] <lostwars>	Anyone around with experience with multiple wikis on FreeBSD?
[17:50:55] <lostwars>	I have a simple "simple" question about symbolic links
[17:58:38] <Swoon>	Hi guys, I have some problem regarding file upload.
[17:59:20] <Swoon>	I already change permissions etc. but the mediawiki complains that it can't find a file /tmp/phpXXX after upload
[18:00:16] <vaesir>	hi guys
[18:00:22] <vaesir>	can some one please tell haw can i unite 2 pages with 2 diffrent languages on 2 diffrent wikis?
[18:00:45] <Swoon>	but there is nothing configured in a way to use /tmp
[18:02:39] <Swoon>	so I was wondering, whether I have have to change open_basedir in php myself...
[18:05:35] <vaesir>	hi guys
[18:05:45] <vaesir>	can someone help me pls?
[18:06:46] <Splarka>	!langlinks
[18:06:46] --mwbot--	Language links are links to translations of the same article on another wiki. For information on how to set up language links, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Interwiki#Interwiki_links_to_other_languages>
[18:06:49] <NotASpider>	since when does [http://foo.bar.us/xyz.php?q="ABC"] split as if there was a space between = and "
[18:07:11] <Splarka>	NotASpider: template parameter perchance?
[18:07:24] <NotASpider>	no
[18:07:29] <NotASpider>	regular url syntax
[18:07:46] <NotASpider>	it has "ABC" as the clickable text
[18:08:06] <Splarka>	it is the quotes
[18:08:07] <NotASpider>	so i had to change it to %22
[18:08:26] *Splarka 	nods
[18:08:29] <Splarka>	you must URLencode quotes
[18:09:24] <NotASpider>	since when
[18:09:28] <NotASpider>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sandbox&diff=274480319&oldid=274480129
[18:10:02] <vaesir>	thank you
[18:10:17] <NotASpider>	i seem to remember google search links working properly
[18:10:23] <NotASpider>	with quote marks
[18:10:37] <NotASpider>	couldn't say how long ago
[18:11:42] <Splarka>	proof or it didn't happen
[18:11:59] <CIA-60>	03rotem * r47943 10/trunk/extensions/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Localization update for he.
[18:12:08] <NotASpider>	or maybe i only thought they were literal "s
[18:12:40] <NotASpider>	because firefox makes them appear that way when you click on a urlencoded one
[18:12:41] <Splarka>	{{urlencode:"}} -> %22
[18:12:47] <NotASpider>	ya i no
[18:13:24] <Splarka>	note that: $&+,/:;=?@ are specials.. they can be encoded when literal, or unencoded when being used as control characters
[18:13:48] <Splarka>	like to define parameter "foo" as value "bar=baz"->  &foo=bar%3Dbaz
[18:14:02] <NotASpider>	ok forget what i remember. is this desirable behavior for urls in wikitext
[18:14:03] <Splarka>	the equals is used as a delimiter unencoded, and as a value enocoded
[18:14:32] <NotASpider>	i know that, i mean the quot marks
[18:14:42] <Splarka>	well, any non-ascii that isn't a control character isn't really a valid URL unencoded
[18:14:45] <NotASpider>	to not be part of the url when literal
[18:15:36] <Splarka>			$this->mExtLinkBracketedRegex = '/\[(\b(' . wfUrlProtocols() . ')'.
[18:15:36] <Splarka>				'[^][<>"\\x00-\\x20\\x7F]+) *([^\]\\x0a\\x0d]*?)\]/S';
[18:16:52] <Splarka>	same for <> and \x00 - \x20 and \x7F
[18:18:07] <NotASpider>	what i'm saying is, shouldn't [http://what.ever/?x="y"]...... (*in wikitext*)
[18:18:15] <Splarka>	no
[18:18:16] <NotASpider>	 become <a href="http://what.ever/?x=%22y%22">[1]</a>
[18:18:19] <Splarka>	it is according to specs
[18:18:40] <Splarka>	<>" and space are considered "delimiter characters"
[18:18:58] <Splarka>	you might wanna wrap a URL in <> or quote marks, or spaces, as many people do
[18:19:00] <NotASpider>	not <a href="http://what.ever/?x=">"y"</a>
[18:19:04] <Splarka>	"http://google.com"
[18:19:07] <Splarka>	^ ignores quotes
[18:19:40] <NotASpider>	yeah i'm not questioning that the url has to be escaped in the html
[18:19:53] <Splarka>	*sigh*
[18:20:02] <Splarka>	"<>/space -> These characters are often used to delimit URLs in plain text.
[18:20:03] <NotASpider>	but since wikitext uses a completely different syntax, why does it need to be escaped there
[18:20:21] <Splarka>	because people wrap URLs in <>" in plain text, as well as wikicode
[18:21:51] <NotASpider>	seems like the principle of least astonishment would say "no space or bracket yet so this should be encoded and made part of the url"
[18:22:23] <evilx>	Is there a category( index) like extension that would show what in the wiki without having to add like [category: something] to each article ?
[18:23:22] <Splarka>	NotASpider: my final word on the matter: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=5838
[18:23:36] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r47944 10/trunk/ (11 files in 5 dirs): 
[18:23:36] <CIA-60>	Simplify the usage of pure % numbers a bit:
[18:23:36] <CIA-60>	* Add a generic 'percent' message
[18:23:36] <CIA-60>	* Move existing translations from extensions to core
[18:23:36] <CIA-60>	* Remove these special messages from extensions
[18:23:58] <Duesentrieb>	evilx: how shuld that be structured if you don't tag things?
[18:24:42] <evilx>	hourly or so indexing, that could go through and see what the topic starts with and indexs it
[18:26:12] <NotASpider>	odd
[18:27:50] <brion>	morrrrrning all
[18:27:57] <Duesentrieb>	evilx: uh... that'S fulltext search. you already have that
[18:28:08] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r47945 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/mediawiki-defines.txt: Follow up r47944: Missed this one to commit :/
[18:28:11] <Duesentrieb>	brion: hi brion. wny news about me getting access to the internal wiki?
[18:28:19] <evilx>	I dont quiet think you understand what im getting at
[18:28:23] <ialex>	hello brion
[18:28:48] <evilx>	basically i need a category or something like that, that shows all the current articles without having to add [Category:whatever] 
[18:32:23] <Duesentrieb>	evilx: define "current"
[18:32:37] <Duesentrieb>	evilx: you just want to list *all* articles?
[18:32:45] <Duesentrieb>	Special:Allpages does that
[18:32:55] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Allow CSV result format to accommodate large result sets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17760 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (mediawiki)
[18:33:22] <evilx>	i dont know what special:allpages is
[18:33:46] <evilx>	ah sweet
[18:34:06] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) First entry on a history page does not allow revision hiding - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17761 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Deleting; (sam.korn)
[18:35:26] <evilx>	nice, thats what I wanted, now if I can figure out how to edit the menu
[18:45:57] <Duesentrieb>	!sidebar | evilx
[18:45:57] --mwbot--	evilx: To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar>.
[18:46:32] <evilx>	I just read that, I am mostly trying to find an extension, so I can have an add article on the side bar
[18:46:35] <evilx>	thanks
[18:46:52] <evilx>	I just added ** Special:AllPages|All Pages to the sidebar
[18:52:17] <evilx>	I don't see an extension to do such a thing, hmm
[18:52:55] <kr1s>	how can i rebuild the localsettings.php
[18:53:09] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r47946 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/PageHistory.php): (bug 17761) "show/hide" link in page history in now works for the first displayed revision if it's not the current one
[18:53:18] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) First entry on a history page does not allow revision hiding - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17761  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[18:56:06] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Show/hide further email conf. options depending on the E-mail features (global) option - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17762 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Installation; (mgrabovsky)
[19:15:13] *Emachman 	looks for a bug to fix
[19:15:18] <Subfader>	evilx: Extension:InputBox?
[19:17:18] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Diff page is difficult to read for colourblind readers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17763 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: History/Diffs; (michael.daly)
[19:27:40] <evilx>	hmm ill check it out thanks
[19:29:16] <evilx>	nah to complicated, people will get lost on that
[19:29:47] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Diff page is difficult to read for colourblind readers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17763  +comment (10brion)
[19:29:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Different diff-colors no to discriminate red-green color blinds - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11374  +comment (10brion)
[19:32:54] <brion>	can somebody peek if this is current on 1.15 dev trunk or if it was fixed there and needs to be backported to .14? https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17713
[19:34:16] <Splarka>	that smells dupy to me
[19:35:29] <Splarka>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16965
[19:35:44] <Splarka>	^ brion
[19:36:33] <Splarka>	r45266 to r45656
[19:36:48] <brion>	sounds like it needs fix ported to branch then
[19:38:16] <Splarka>	> Branching MediaWiki 1.14 from r45489
[19:38:23] <Splarka>	oopsie heh
[19:38:33] <Splarka>	it isn't really terribly fatal, but some bots might break 
[19:41:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Different diff-colors no to discriminate red-green color blinds - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11374  +comment (10michael.daly)
[19:44:19] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Enable oversight on spanish wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17764 normal; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (pdsanchez)
[19:48:50] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Enable oversight on spanish wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17764  -easy ; +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[19:49:12] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r47947 10/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): (bug 17189) Created 'stable versions only' dumps for wikis with FlaggedRevs
[19:53:05] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Create also 'stable versions only' dumps for wikis with FlaggedRevs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17189  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[19:53:34] <ialex>	where's aaron?
[20:01:42] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r47948 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedArticle.php FlaggedRevs.hooks.php): Short-circuit history query a bit better. Removed some excessive OOP.
[20:02:08] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Do now show [automatically sighted] if a revision is suppressed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17756  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[20:07:37] <LolliRock>	Hello! :)
[20:07:38] <LolliRock>	I've a question for you...
[20:08:07] <LolliRock>	I need to have my "help" namespace pages in grey, how can i do?
[20:10:34] <Splarka>	LolliRock: in MediaWiki:Monobook.css : http://p.defau.lt/?GwjfMmmpnm_qXbE4tnoKug
[20:11:26] <Splarka>	and you might want to make some other things transparent, so it bleeds through: #mw-subcategories table, #mw-pages table, table.diff, td.diff-otitle, td.diff-ntitle { background-color: transparent;}
[20:11:43] <Splarka>	see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Monobook.css for more tips (note that "help" is body.ns-12)
[20:15:10] <LolliRock>	thanks!!!!!
[20:15:12] <LolliRock>	:)
[20:15:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Show/hide further email conf. options depending on the E-mail features (global) option - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17762  +comment (10mgrabovsky)
[20:17:49] <CIA-60>	03yaron * r47949 10/trunk/extensions/ExternalData/ED_ParserFunctions.php: Added handling of 'CSV with header' format and 'filter' parameters to #get_external_data
[20:18:46] <CIA-60>	03yaron * r47950 10/trunk/extensions/ExternalData/ED_GetData.php: Special:GetData now includes the header line at the top of its output
[20:20:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) XML meta dumps do not contain/update restrictions tags anymore - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16360  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[20:21:16] <CIA-60>	03yaron * r47951 10/trunk/extensions/ExternalData/ED_Utils.php: Added handling of optional header line to getCSVData()
[20:23:56] <CIA-60>	03yaron * r47952 10/trunk/extensions/ExternalData/ED_Settings.php: 'GetData' special page added to 'pagetools' group
[20:25:56] <CIA-60>	03yaron * r47953 10/trunk/extensions/ExternalData/README: New version: 0.5
[20:27:50] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r47954 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.hooks.php: Query fix for addBacklogNotice()
[20:28:09] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r47955 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (33 files): Localisation updates for core messages from translatewiki.net (2009-03-02 20:15 UTC)
[20:29:23] <CIA-60>	03straussd * r47956 10/civicrm/trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Fix bugs in review tagging and deduping.
[20:41:32] <CIA-60>	03yaron * r47957 10/trunk/extensions/ExternalData/ED_GetData.php: Fixed handling of fields with spaces in them
[21:14:44] <kr1s>	Hi, what can i do againt "You don't have permission to access /mediawiki on this server." after a new installation
[21:15:56] <Reedy>	change the file permissions?:
[21:16:07] <kr1s>	which
[21:16:28] <kr1s>	index.php and the /mediawiki permissions are set to 644
[21:17:10] <RoanKattouw_away>	The directory itself should probably be 755
[21:24:47] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r47958 10/trunk/extensions/ (64 files in 62 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from translatewiki.net (2009-03-02 20:53 UTC)
[21:24:59] <kr1s>	hm, i changed it to 755. But i dont get any response
[21:25:02] <kr1s>	from apache
[21:25:43] <kr1s>	sorry, it works
[21:30:07] <mindrones>	hello
[21:44:46] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r47959 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (5 files): Added $wgSummarySpamRegex and $wgAPIMaxUncachedDiffs
[21:46:05] <stegbth>	good evening
[21:46:29] <stegbth>	my mediawiki doesn't allow update's or adding new articles
[21:47:27] <stegbth>	after a mysql database crash, now i get "Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in /var/lib/mediawiki/includes/db/Database.php" any ideas?
[21:52:40] <Subfader>	Instead of changing core code directly I want to learn it the proper way now :) I want to start with an easy change: Make category results bold. I use $wgHooks['SpecialSearchResults'][] = 'makeCatResultsBold'; for a start but I guess I must add a new hook instead?
[21:54:09] <Reedy>	surely CSS would suffice?
[21:57:01] <Subfader>	hmh, but it doesn't differ article or category page results per id.
[21:57:56] <Subfader>	a[href ^='...'] ?
[22:08:47] <Subfader>	see, that's why changing core code is easier ;)
[22:11:53] <Splarka>	just bug devs to add hooks where ya need them, then you just have to wait a few months for those changes to hit a stable release
[22:13:15] <Subfader>	where can i report my list? :D I customized so much, you guys would hate me.
[22:13:42] <p858snake>	just open a bug asking for them to be added
[22:15:43] <Splarka>	not sure the best distrubtion, obviously not a bug "add my 97 required hooks" but a separate bug for each would be crazy too
[22:16:11] <Splarka>	probably best to start with a handfull of tightly related ones to one file, and see how that goes first
[22:16:23] <Splarka>	eg "Add these 5 hooks to Article.php"
[22:16:36] <Subfader>	I also customize minor things like the table on a category page should have 2 cols not 3 cos my article names are quite long
[22:17:10] <Subfader>	nobody would agree to make such list tables more flexible
[22:22:43] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Missing "Deletion log" select option in betawiki log with French interface - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17746  +comment (10siebrand)
[22:36:47] <chuck>	how do I add just one message?
[22:36:53] <chuck>	do I have to setup an entire extension message file?
[22:37:41] <Subfader>	what do you mean with adding a message
[22:37:53] <chuck>	an interface message
[22:37:55] <ephy>	Hello al
[22:38:12] <ephy>	i have a problem with images/ permission .. 
[22:38:45] <ephy>	if i upload a file into this directory, he said when i click on : 403 forbidden
[22:38:59] <ephy>	i have checked my perms .. and its ok 
[22:39:15] <ephy>	have you some suggestions to propose for me ? 
[22:39:15] <Reedy>	presumalby they are not if you're getting 403
[22:39:32] <ephy>	yep
[22:39:44] <ephy>	maybe it come from apache config ? 
[22:39:50] <Subfader>	chuck: easiest way is to change existing ones to add e.g. more info. is there a system message already where you want a new one? go to Special:AllMessages and find the text
[22:39:54] <Reedy>	it'll be related to what user apache is being run as
[22:39:54] <ephy>	cause im in OVH gentoo release 2
[22:40:04] <Reedy>	and then what the folder and subfolders are set to
[22:40:14] <ephy>	yep
[22:40:26] <ephy>	my apache run with all users group
[22:40:42] <ephy>	and wiki directory is wiki:users
[22:41:06] <ephy>	and i can use my wiki without any problems .. except this forder : images/
[22:41:32] <ephy>	http://wiki.audiovisuel.be .. check out by yourself  :p
[22:42:14] <ephy>	Reedy ? 
[22:42:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Content-disposition: download insufficient to force download of Special:Export output; consider forcing Content-Type - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16963  summary; +comment (10brion)
[22:43:04] <ephy>	does exist a parameter in wiki config files relative at this permission problem ?  
[22:43:28] <Reedy>	nope
[22:43:52] <ephy>	so .. apache .. mhh
[22:44:22] <Reedy>	example image?
[22:44:50] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Redirect download.wikipedia.org and other aliases to download.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17765 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Downloads; (brion)
[22:45:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Redirect download.wikipedia.org and other aliases to download.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17765   +shell (10brion)
[22:46:58] <Subfader>	or how would i solve this properly without changing core code? whenever a link to an mp3 file page is returned (pages, search results, special pages lists) it shouldn't be a plain link but something else using wikimarkup. BeforeParserMakeImageLinkObj?
[22:48:51] <ephy>	Reedy : http://wiki.audiovisuel.be/images/6/68/Visca_connector_and_wiring.png
[22:49:21] <ephy>	Reedy : http://wiki.audiovisuel.be/index.php?title=Technical_manuals
[22:50:38] <Reedy>	can you pastebin the output of ls -al for your images dir?
[22:52:41] <CIA-60>	03nad * r47960 10/trunk/extensions/RecordAdmin/RecordAdmin_body.php: bug fix - wasnt processing form with no attributes
[22:53:11] <mib_thjw1u>	sorry deco
[22:58:38] <mindrones>	hello, I have a wuestion on localization: at wiki.blender.org we have a bunch of pages in different languages, and I want to check if a page exists in other languages, which I can do with templating if the page is the same+<lang>, but do you do if the title itself is transated and so different? do I have to keep a table of references?
[22:58:38] <mindrones>	like if page wiki.blender.org/pie is also present as wiki.blender.org/torta.it
[22:58:38] <mindrones>	and not pie.it
[23:03:33] <ephy_>	Reeky : http://www.mibbit.com/pb/eKwPv6 
[23:03:33] <ephy_>	Reedy sorry
[23:03:33] <CIA-60>	03dale * r47961 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (7 files in 5 dirs): 
[23:03:33] <CIA-60>	fixes for transcript editing with non annodex servers (flvs)
[23:03:33] <CIA-60>	increased cache length of stream file descriptions
[23:03:45] <ephy_>	Reedy : http://www.mibbit.com/pb/Y8yiJQ 
[23:03:45] <ephy_>	with apache conf
[23:04:54] <ephy_>	Sorry anybody help me ? i have 403 message in my images/ folder .. i don't understand someting .. http://www.mibbit.com/pb/Y8yiJQ
[23:04:55] <ephy_>	its my config file and ls -al of my images/ folder
[23:05:15] <Reedy>	net split...
[23:11:04] <Danny_B>	has something related to parser been changed recently and made live?
[23:11:22] <werdnum>	What's the problem?
[23:14:51] <mindrones>	hello, anyone has reda my question about the translation? should I repeat after the split?
[23:14:54] <mindrones>	read*
[23:18:46] <Danny_B>	werdnum: tables suddenly are rendered incorrectly - http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%A0ablona:Infobox_Hudebn%C3%AD_um%C4%9Blec check above the image
[23:22:05] <CIA-60>	03dale * r47962 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/mv_stream.js: #autoplay issues
[23:22:37] <werdnum>	Danny_B: weird. Template change or something?
[23:23:02] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Problematic book export to PDF/ODF for bidi documents - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17766 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Collection; (itay_is_me)
[23:23:33] <Danny_B>	no - last change 2 months ago and dependant templates even longer ago as i've checked most of them
[23:24:06] <Danny_B>	aha
[23:24:15] <Danny_B>	the last one has been changed recently
[23:24:24] <Danny_B>	i guess it added whitespace
[23:24:32] <Danny_B>	which causes the error
[23:31:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Problematic book export to PDF/ODF for bidi documents - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17766  +comment (10brion)