[00:03:12] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Please change name of file namespace for language da - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17767 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (byrial)
[00:04:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Please change name of file namespace for language da - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17767   +shell (10p858snake)
[00:21:44] <brion>	werdnum: hey, want to look at a patch and maybe poke up some of its parameter validation? https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11857
[00:23:35] <werdnum>	okie
[00:23:53] <CIA-60>	03dale * r47963 10/branches/new-upload/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): minor upload warning fix
[00:24:19] <brion>	tx :
[00:24:20] <brion>	:D
[00:27:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Please change name of file namespace for language da - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17767  +comment (10siebrand)
[00:27:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Please change name of file namespace for language da - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17767  (10siebrand)
[00:28:42] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) make Wikimedia configuration file management sane with Puppet - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17768 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (brion)
[00:28:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Unique Identifier on [[MediaWiki:Readonlytext]] and WMF Error.html - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14791  (10brion)
[00:28:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Unique Identifier on WMF Error.html - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15590  (10brion)
[00:31:06] <^demon>	brion: The bug would've been even funnier if you had pluralized "puppet"
[00:31:27] <brion>	:D
[00:31:40] <^demon>	I mean, I've always wanted to use puppets to make my config sane :)
[00:32:38] *Charitwo 	pokes brion
[00:33:26] <brion>	tee-hee
[00:36:38] <PovAddict>	what's the easiest way to rename a category?
[00:36:55] <dungodung>	use a bot
[00:44:09] <werdnum>	brion: bah, that patch doesn't even apply
[00:45:02] <brion>	:D
[00:45:18] *werdnum 	gets the fun of making it apply
[00:45:50] <^demon>	brion: The patch to wgCapitalLinks applies ;-)
[00:52:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Please change name of file namespace for language da - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17767  (10byrial)
[00:56:07] <Saar>	is it at all possible to have a wiki sited behind an encrypted connection, i.e. https://wiki.example.com ? Since I am unable to find much info about it I am starting to think it isn't possible
[00:56:44] <brion>	Saar: yes.
[00:58:05] <werdnum>	you don't have to do anything special
[00:59:48] <Saar>	i see, for some reason no matter what i try it returns an error, i.e. the browser expects an ssl connection, yet the webserver sends a number of hytes of html
[00:59:55] <Saar>	apache2
[01:00:03] <Saar>	hytes=bytes
[01:06:10] <brion>	Saar: well, your web server needs to be correctly configured to serve HTTPS
[01:06:25] <brion>	confirm that before worrying about dynamic web apps on top of it :)
[01:36:13] <Jinx>	is there an easy way to make an entire wiki read only?
[01:36:24] <Jinx>	googled and found: $wgReadOnlyFile = filename
[01:36:27] <Jinx>	but that doesn't seem right
[01:36:39] <Jinx>	i think i want a $wgPermissions type thing
[01:37:10] <chuck>	Jinx: yep, just add this to your configuration file: $wgReadOnly = "This wiki is read only. Blah Blah. You can put your message here.";
[01:37:28] <chuck>	and then when users try to edit or do something that requires a write, they will be presented with that message ^
[01:37:34] <Simetrical>	Jinx, you mean for all users?
[01:37:39] <Simetrical>	Then $wgReadOnly, yes.
[01:37:45] <chuck>	oh
[01:37:53] <chuck>	you say you want a grouppermissions thing
[01:38:11] <Simetrical>	This is meant to stop database writes so you can do maintenance or let the slaves catch up.  It's not very useful for much else.
[01:38:15] <Simetrical>	!prevacc
[01:38:15] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access
[01:38:19] <Simetrical>	That's probably what you want.
[01:38:27] <chuck>	then do something like this: $wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit'] = false; $wgGroupPermissions['editors']['edit'] = true;
[01:38:36] <chuck>	Then assign the editors group to whoever
[01:45:10] <Jinx>	$wgReadOnly will be good
[01:45:11] <Jinx>	thank you
[01:45:21] <Jinx>	and thank you also for the group assignments
[01:45:25] <Jinx>	might need that in the future :)
[01:49:00] <Simetrical>	$wgReadOnly shuts down a lot more things than editing.
[01:49:04] <Simetrical>	Anything that accesses the database.
[01:49:16] <Simetrical>	It's probably not what you want.
[01:50:42] <p858snake>	just remove the edit rights from everyone and only give it to certain groups
[01:53:08] <Jinx>	it is what i want, though i appreciate the warnings/alternatives
[01:53:18] <Jinx>	basically our hosting got dropped...
[01:53:36] <Jinx>	and i want to setup a temporary, uneditable, copy of the wiki so that people can view it...
[01:53:43] <Jinx>	until we get proper hosting again
[01:53:55] <Jinx>	(and possibly until we get a more recent backup of the db... mine is outdated)
[01:54:20] <Jinx>	i just don't want edits to get dropped if we get a more recent backup
[01:54:53] <Jinx>	unrelatedly...
[01:54:55] <Jinx>	Fatal error: Call to a member function getVal() on a non-object in /home/naberius/public_html/projectxi.org/wiki/includes/Wiki.php on line 66
[01:55:05] <Jinx>	that's not a good line
[01:55:17] <Jinx>	why might that do that?
[01:55:37] <Jinx>	line 66: 		if ($request->getVal( 'printable' ) == 'yes') {
[02:10:18] <Simetrical>	Jinx, sounds badly broken.
[02:12:12] <Bananabob>	i have the following code in a template {| align=right
[02:12:12] <Bananabob>	|-
[02:12:12] <Bananabob>	| 
[02:12:12] <Bananabob>	[[Image:{{{name}}}_{{{surname}}}.jpg|alt=No Image]]
[02:12:12] <Bananabob>	|} when i have no image i just get the red link , not the expected No Image - what is wrong?
[02:22:21] <Jinx>	Simetrical: indeed... trying a fresh install
[02:28:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Recentchanges should ignore days= if from= present in the query string - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17750  (10jidanni)
[02:56:45] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r47964 10/trunk/phase3/ (includes/Article.php maintenance/importImages.php): 
[02:56:45] <CIA-60>	(bug 11857) Add 'protect' option to importImages.php maintenance script.
[02:56:45] <CIA-60>	Includes related Article changes -- fixing an E_NOTICE and reporting errors in the debug log.
[02:57:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow global renaming of global users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14862  +comment (10Andrew)
[02:59:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) MergeAccount should assign never-been-used accounts to the global account - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14416  +comment (10Andrew)
[03:27:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) GlobalBlock logentry - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16735  (10Andrew)
[03:28:45] <wikinoob>	Hello, wiki friends! I have a small wiki problem. Why does [[File:bonkle.pdf|bonkle]] not display bonkle?
[03:29:13] <Ladonna>	You don't have a PDF renderer?
[03:29:51] <wikinoob>	Ladonna: this is just a wikilink... I'm not sure I follow
[03:30:16] <Ladonna>	Do you want to link to the file?
[03:30:23] <Ladonna>	Or do you want to display it?
[03:30:31] <wikinoob>	Ladonna: I want a link to the file
[03:30:41] <Ladonna>	Ah, just use [[:File:...]]
[03:30:43] <wikinoob>	rather, the file page
[03:30:44] <wikinoob>	oh
[03:30:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow group rights to be changed on-wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15252  +comment (10Andrew)
[03:31:16] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) AbuseFilter requires functions which may be unavailable with Windows - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16168  +comment (10Andrew)
[03:31:30] <wikinoob>	Ladonna: thanks! you saved the day. adieu
[03:31:37] <Ladonna>	No problem. :-)
[03:34:33] <werdnum>	Hmm, whatever happened to that work branch in which somebody was adding the DB name to the interwiki table?
[03:35:29] <Ladonna>	Was that ^demon's project?
[03:35:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:GlobalBlockList should use the User@meta.wikimedia format - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16285  (10Andrew)
[03:35:35] <werdnum>	I thought it was Matt Johnson
[04:21:37] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r47965 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedArticle.php FlaggedRevs.hooks.php): Simplified addToFileHistLine(). Added isVisible() check.
[04:42:23] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r47966 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedRevs.hooks.php FlaggedRevs.php): Reduce hook usage
[04:53:33] <CIA-60>	03river * r47967 10/trunk/tools/ts-specs/ (12 files in 4 dirs): 
[04:53:33] <CIA-60>	TSsshtunnel, TScheckraid: new specs
[04:53:33] <CIA-60>	TSmysql: link server with -lmtmalloc, and preload libfasttime
[04:53:33] <CIA-60>	TSmytop: count 'queries' instead of 'questions'
[05:47:14] <iyappan>	Hi all
[05:48:22] <werdnum>	hi
[05:49:54] <iyappan>	I need to integrate Mediawiki with Joomla. Which is the best bridge for Integration?
[06:08:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) GlobalBlock logentry - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16735  (10mikelifeguard)
[06:26:14] <CIA-60>	03philip * r47968 10/trunk/phase3/languages/LanguageConverter.php: Allow ":" exists in manual conversion syntaxes like "-{zh-hans:Wikipedia:XXX; zh-hant:Wikipedia:YYY}-".
[07:21:08] <egolost>	I'm trying to do an extension... but something is not right in my extension.setup.php (when I do  $wgAutoloadClasses['NewClass'] = 'extensions/NewExtension/NewClass.php'; )because It wont load the file it points to :(
[07:23:30] <egolost>	should the Sample on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Tag_extensions work?
[07:24:48] <QuestPC>	Hi! Which are the recommended php system/admin variables settings for mediawiki? I've found only http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Newcomers_guide_to_installing_on_Windows/PHP_php.ini  but I have doubts these are optimal, for example: ; session.use_only_cookies = 1 is commented out, is that really optimal?
[07:26:01] <werdnum>	0$wgAutoloadClasses['NewClass'] = 'extensions/NewExtension/NewClass.php';
[07:26:03] <werdnum>	That's wrong.
[07:26:20] <werdnum>	You want = dirname(__FILE__).'/extensions/...';
[07:26:35] <werdnum>	erm, dirname(__FILE__).'/NewClass.php';
[07:30:42] <QuestPC>	werdnum: Are there any recommended php.ini settings? Everything works, but I've come after installation of drupal - it has exactly specified settings of LOTS of php variables. I wish there was the same list for mediawiki...
[07:31:18] <werdnum>	Maybe Drupal is stupid and forces you to change your php.ini settings, whereas MediaWiki doesn't :)
[07:31:40] <QuestPC>	werdnum: especially mbstring variables, session variables
[07:32:04] <werdnum>	MediaWiki gracefully falls back when that stuff isn't availabe
[07:32:07] <werdnum>	le*
[07:32:15] <QuestPC>	werdnum: well, I feel mediawiki codebase is much better. ok, I'll leave it as is. it works.
[07:32:22] <werdnum>	if you can log in and edit pages, there isn't a problem :)
[07:32:35] <QuestPC>	werdnum: it works but what if something is non-optimal.
[07:33:03] <uberfuzzy>	#ifexist comes back as true for a redirect page right?
[07:33:27] <QuestPC>	werdnum: eg. that config mentioned above has SID pass in URL's enabled by default, I've heard it's not a good thing.
[07:34:15] <egolost>	werdnum: I'll try that.
[07:40:11] <werdnum>	QuestPC: Well, it's up to you, MediaWiki doesn't care.
[07:41:44] <CrushKing>	morning people 
[07:44:39] <Splarka>	uberfuzzy: yes, it even works with image redirects
[07:45:52] <Splarka>	which some may find a bit odd... {{#ifexist:File:Foo}} will return yes if the page exists (whether or not there is an image), {{#ifexist:Media:Foo}} will return true for the media (whether or not there is a page, as in a shared repository), but both will return true for a valid image redirect
[07:46:39] <Splarka>	(unless it is a shared repositry image, in which case it works the same as a direct reference, eg, just Media: returning true)
[07:52:12] <QuestPC>	werdnum: allright. though, even a talk page has similar question: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual_talk:Newcomers_guide_to_installing_on_Windows/PHP_php.ini "I see that the sample php.ini file has allow_url_fopen=on. This is a security risk ". Maybe no problem, though.
[07:53:08] <werdnum>	allow_url_fopen isn't a security risk. It is, at best, an expansion of the attack surface.
[07:53:27] <CrushKing>	how do i add categories to the wiki page?
[07:53:54] <str4nd>	!categories | CrushKing
[07:53:54] --mwbot--	CrushKing: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Categories
[07:53:59] <werdnum>	at worst*
[07:54:27] <CrushKing>	str4nd: thanks
[07:54:45] <str4nd>	you're welcome
[07:56:59] <Witzman>	hi
[07:57:51] <QuestPC>	werdnum: do hooks processing or something else requires allow_call_time_pass_reference=1 ?
[07:58:08] <werdnum>	Shouldn't
[07:58:08] <Witzman>	i heard that it is possible to let my personal wiki installation use commons to integrate them into my own wiki
[07:58:12] <werdnum>	Don't worry about it
[07:58:23] <werdnum>	seriously, unless MediaWiki breaks horribly
[07:58:24] <Witzman>	where i can find information about this?
[07:58:39] <QuestPC>	werdnum: ok
[07:58:40] <werdnum>	MediaWiki is designed to be compatible with a wide range of setups
[07:59:42] <Duesentrieb>	@search repository
[07:59:42] --mwbot--	Results: [bundels, download, extensiondistributor]
[07:59:59] <Duesentrieb>	hm... that's not what i was looking for
[08:00:17] <Splarka>	someone should finish InstantCommon
[08:00:20] <Splarka>	+s
[08:00:42] <Duesentrieb>	Splarka: but the main part *is* finished. no extension needed. juzst a bit of config.
[08:00:44] <Duesentrieb>	am i missing someth9ing?
[08:00:54] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgForeignFileRepos
[08:01:02] <Duesentrieb>	yea
[08:01:12] <werdnum>	08:00 < Splarka> someone should finish InstantCommon
[08:01:15] <werdnum>	It's already done
[08:01:30] <Duesentrieb>	!instantcommons
[08:01:30] --mwbot--	InstantCommons is a proposed feature for MediaWiki to allow any MediaWiki installation to use media on the Wikimedia Commons. However, several issues (some legal) need to be worked out, and it is only a proposal. See < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/InstantCommons >.
[08:01:38] <Splarka>	it isn't quite the same (for one thing the name is different)
[08:01:40] <Duesentrieb>	hm...
[08:01:49] <Witzman>	hm
[08:01:59] <QuestPC>	*sigh*
[08:02:01] <Duesentrieb>	Splarka: well, the one thing that isn't really handeled well is deletions
[08:02:24] <Witzman>	we had a podcast from german chaos computer club with a developer called raimund
[08:02:42] <Witzman>	he explained, that this is already working 
[08:03:40] <Duesentrieb>	Witzman: well it is, using $wgForeignFileRepos
[08:03:51] <Duesentrieb>	you can use images from commons directly.
[08:04:11] <Witzman>	is there any documentation, where i can get all the infos myself? :)
[08:04:11] <Duesentrieb>	but it doesn't do all the fancy caching or nice handling of deletions that have been discussed for instantcommons
[08:04:17] <Duesentrieb>	and the legal issues remain unclear.
[08:04:22] <Splarka>	InstantCommons gonna get you, gonna fill your local cache, you'd better get some more diskspace darlin', for the file mass. How in the world ya gonna see, all these 20 gigs of penis, who in the world do you think you are, a lazy wiki, well right you are... 
[08:04:35] <Duesentrieb>	Witzman: follow the link Splarka posted?
[08:04:47] <werdnum>	??
[08:04:51] <Witzman>	ah, ok :)
[08:04:55] <Witzman>	missed it
[08:05:01] <Witzman>	thanks a lot
[08:05:06] <Duesentrieb>	Splarka: sounds like a dustpuppy song :)
[08:05:24] <Splarka>	you can't rip on $wgForeignFileRepos as well as "Instant Commons" (Instant Karma - John Lennon)
[08:05:54] <Splarka>	well, maybe... Imagine... "Look at all the repos, living for today..." nah
[08:06:30] <Splarka>	Duesentrieb: you should replace !instantcommons if you feel it is fulfilled fully
[08:06:48] <Splarka>	or enough, anyway
[08:09:49] <QuestPC>	I'd also look at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_family#Upload (upload to "commons")
[08:10:45] <QuestPC>	(I have my own commons for few wikis)
[08:38:15] <Splarka>	hmm, is srwhat=title disabled on wmf or just broked due to replag?
[08:38:18] *Splarka 	sets roan trap
[08:39:08] <CIA-60>	03nad * r47969 10/trunk/extensions/RecordAdmin/RecordAdmin_body.php: recordadmin-summary-created message didn't have type arg passed
[08:40:09] <Witzman>	after successfully getting the commons integration i can include commons pictures in my wiki. but sometimes (not with all images) i receive some errormessages after klicking on the thumb in my wiki.
[08:40:11] <Witzman>	Warning: preg_match() expects parameter 2 to be string, array given in /var/www/wiki/includes/Exif.php on line 1065
[08:40:48] <Witzman>	20 times this message, but then below it shows the content
[08:42:13] <OverlordQ>	MW's exif handling has been non-optimal for quite a while
[08:43:06] <mindrones>	hello
[08:45:42] <Witzman>	is there anything i can do, or do i have to live with this problem?
[08:47:30] <OverlordQ>	Witzman: dont have error reporting turned on so high
[08:48:08] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgShowEXIF
[08:48:16] <Splarka>	or try disabling it?
[08:51:09] <OverlordQ>	that code really asn't been touched in forever
[08:54:06] <Witzman>	is this done in localsettings?
[08:54:30] <Splarka>	yep
[08:56:05] <Witzman>	it works - thanks
[08:56:41] <Splarka>	but you're missing out on all the hot EXIF-rated action now
[08:57:19] <OverlordQ>	*rimshot*
[09:12:22] <tku>	moin
[09:12:24] <egolost>	should i put all classes used in a extension in $wgAutoloadClasses ?
[09:20:00] <egolost>	or should I only load the main class and load the other extension specific classes with includes?
[09:23:08] <mindrones>	hi, I have a question for translations: at wiki.blender.org we have translated pages, but actually their title is not the english one with addition of the language (like .fr) but the translatioin of the title itself. Now, I'd like to put links in english pages to their translated page in all languages we have, but should I do a sort of table or references? and maybe use a {{#switch to choose which link to put in languages link?
[09:23:40] <mindrones>	how do you do mediawiki gurus? :)
[09:24:23] <Splarka>	you could use language links, it is kinda what they're designed for (linking to pages of translated names)
[09:24:46] <Splarka>	they aren't /exactly/ created for linking to pages on the same wiki, but they can (simply create language interwiki loopbacks)
[09:25:24] <mindrones>	Splarka thx. How is it done?
[09:26:24] <Splarka>	!langlinks
[09:26:24] --mwbot--	Language links are links to translations of the same article on another wiki. For information on how to set up language links, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Interwiki#Interwiki_links_to_other_languages>
[09:27:00] <mindrones>	ah thx, I saw that panel in other wikies infact
[09:27:48] <Splarka>	and then just point them back to your wiki.. eg yourdoman.com/index.php?title=$1 ... and then on [[Main Page]] langlink to [[fr:Accueil]] and on [[Accueil]] to [[en:Main Page]], etc
[09:28:10] <mindrones>	problem is we don't have dk.wikiblender.org and fr.wikiblender.org
[09:28:18] <mindrones>	it's all the same wiki
[09:28:22] <Splarka>	right, still will work
[09:28:29] <mindrones>	ok
[09:28:34] <Splarka>	you just point all these interwiki to the same wiki
[09:29:15] <mindrones>	ok, but my concern is wiki.blender.org/index.php/pie  english is translated in italian as wiki.blender.org/index.php/torta, not wiki.blender.org/index.php/pie.it
[09:29:16] <Splarka>	note this may not be your optimal solution, these still have to be updated manually of course, but it is core and standard, no need for dirty #switch/#ifexist templates
[09:29:31] <Splarka>	well, subpage-translation syntax is not standard
[09:29:36] <Splarka>	it is just a hack lots of people use
[09:29:38] <mindrones>	Splarka ah infact I was setting that up
[09:30:06] <mindrones>	and so how to let people use the native language for urls? I need a reference then no?
[09:30:20] <Splarka>	it doesn't work as well as people might wish, because content switching by user language can break cache
[09:30:34] <mindrones>	cache?
[09:31:11] <Splarka>	well, for example on en.wp, all anonymous viewers see the same content, because the apache renders it once, and the squids (a few hundred times cheaper to serve a web request) cache it
[09:31:28] <mindrones>	ok
[09:31:42] <Splarka>	giving every anon users the ability to view in their preferred language won't work for such a wiki, though some smaller wikis use extensions that do that
[09:32:05] <mindrones>	I don't wanna do it automatic based on preferences
[09:32:19] <mindrones>	becanuse out translations are still very sparse in some lang
[09:32:21] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Multilang  http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LanguageSelector  http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Polyglot
[09:32:24] <Splarka>	right
[09:32:26] <mindrones>	I saw them thx
[09:32:34] <mindrones>	I don't need that
[09:32:37] <Splarka>	so there are some ways to make it easier, without making it complex
[09:32:49] <Splarka>	one is to put sparse translations on subpages... as you were talking about earlier
[09:33:15] <Splarka>	eg: {{#ifexist:{{BASEPAGENAME}}/fr|[[{{BASEPAGENAME}}/fr|french translation]]}}
[09:33:22] <Splarka>	would auto-link to the french translation if it existed
[09:33:41] <Splarka>	one single template could be made for all languages, and put on every page with translations, with simply {{translationlinks}} or such
[09:34:00] <Splarka>	but that won't work for you, since you don't use subpaging
[09:34:09] <Splarka>	so whatever you do, it has to be pretty manual
[09:34:11] <mindrones>	also blender dev is so fast that doc tends to be late, so translations are usually 2 step back the current version of blender, so better if they see english, and then thye judge manually the content of translatd page, automatically redirect on their language coudn't work
[09:34:55] <Splarka>	you could create a template for each subject.. like say {{apple}}...
[09:35:10] <mindrones>	Splarka reading (thanks!)
[09:35:32] <Splarka>	which could be a manual list of all translations: [[appel|nl]] [[pomme|fr]]
[09:35:40] <Splarka>	but that seems a bit annoying to maintain
[09:35:48] <mindrones>	Splarka I was thinking exactly at thre same thing
[09:35:51] <mindrones>	yeah
[09:35:52] <Splarka>	it could be a pre-filled list of all possibles too, like #ifexist:pomme
[09:36:03] <Splarka>	so I think in your situation, langlinks are the cleanest solution
[09:36:08] <mindrones>	mm, possibly, right
[09:36:19] <mindrones>	have to read about langlinks
[09:36:40] <Splarka>	another problem.. what do you do when the same word translates to two languages the same?
[09:36:50] <Splarka>	appel in dutch and Afrikaans, for example
[09:37:15] <mindrones>	ah right
[09:37:35] <mindrones>	infact I had another idea in mind but I'm not sure
[09:37:37] <mindrones>	like
[09:38:50] <Splarka>	note that langlinks would be harder to maintain than a template, unless you templated the langlinks, eg create {{apple}} (or better, a subtemplate like {{langs/apple}} so you could find all such templates through PrefixIndex/Langs}}...) that contained [[fr:pomme]] [[nl:appel]] etc
[09:39:30] <mindrones>	actually we have in the skin that at the top of the page we render page title as <h1> but question is, I could have a apple/dk page and render the _translated_ title instead of the page title, so in the url I see one thing (apple(dk) and in the page whatever I have as its translation, but I don't knwo how to setup such a page "property"
[09:39:48] <mindrones>	Splarka ok
[09:40:01] <Splarka>	hmm
[09:40:16] <Splarka>	yes, you could use {{DISPLAYTITLE}}
[09:40:36] <Splarka>	like [[apple/fr]] could have {{DISPLAYTITLE}:pomme}
[09:40:42] <Splarka>	er :pomme}}
[09:40:50] <mindrones>	never seen it what's it?
[09:41:01] *mindrones 	searches :)
[09:41:02] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words
[09:41:07] <Splarka>	somewhere in there
[09:41:19] <mindrones>	ah thx, let's see
[09:41:25] *Splarka 	waits 30 seconds for his DNS not to suck
[09:41:54] <Splarka>	you'd have to false http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgRestrictDisplayTitle  if you want to use it for that
[09:42:04] <Splarka>	(1.14+)
[09:42:16] <Splarka>	and enable subpaging in the main namespace
[09:42:37] <mindrones>	wow I was looking for that
[09:42:56] <mindrones>	like I tell translator put this in the page right?
[09:43:05] <mindrones>	at the top? or everyehere?
[09:43:23] <mindrones>	I mena do I have to change the skin?
[09:43:28] <Splarka>	wherever you wanted to change it
[09:43:35] <Splarka>	hmm
[09:44:09] <Splarka>	you might
[09:44:28] <Splarka>	depends on what you've done to your existing skin
[09:44:29] <mindrones>	now I have:
[09:44:30] <mindrones>		<!-- subsection header and subnav -->
[09:44:31] <mindrones>		<div id="pageheader" style="background-image: url('/skins/blender/bg.png');"><h1 id="firstHeading" class="firstHeading"><?php $this->data['displaytitle']!=""?$this->html('title'):$this->text('title') ?></h1>
[09:44:39] <Splarka>	also you'd need to upgrade to 1.14
[09:45:03] <mindrones>	I will, now admin  is out but we planned to do that
[09:45:16] <Splarka>	and then update your custom skin to use the displaytitle hacks
[09:45:52] <mindrones>	so in the page we have to have {DISPLAYTITLE:whatever}} and it will  work?
[09:46:10] <Splarka>	heh, I'm not making any promises
[09:46:14] <mindrones>	:)
[09:46:24] <Splarka>	on a vanilla 1.14 with suvpaging and $wgRestrictDisplayTitle it will
[09:46:30] <Splarka>	sub^
[09:46:56] <mindrones>	you said "and enable subpaging in the main namespace" what u mean?
[09:47:02] <Splarka>	well
[09:47:06] <Splarka>	to detect /fr for example
[09:47:28] <Splarka>	{{#ifexist:{{BASEPAGENAME}}/fr|[[{{BASEPAGENAME}}/fr|Fran�ais]] (fr)}}
[09:47:42] <Splarka>	{{#ifexist:{{BASEPAGENAME}}/nl|[[{{BASEPAGENAME}}/nl|Nederlands]] (nl)}}
[09:47:49] <Splarka>	you'd want a template full of those ^
[09:47:58] <Splarka>	that's the only really good reason to use /xx subpage syntax
[09:48:12] <Splarka>	then you just pop that template on every english page, and it links to existing subpages
[09:48:19] <Splarka>	you can even transclude the subpages if you want to be clever
[09:48:34] <Duesentrieb>	the polyglot extension more or less automates this
[09:48:38] <Duesentrieb>	!ew Polyglot
[09:48:38] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "ew". You might try: !authentication !betawiki !bot !cms !debug !documentation !extensions !fileurl !help !imagelink !import !multiplewiki !mwbot !newusergroup !r !refresh !rewriteproblems !tidyforidiots !userapproval !viewvc 
[09:48:42] <Duesentrieb>	!e Polyglot
[09:48:42] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Polyglot
[09:48:43] <Splarka>	sigh
[09:48:51] <Splarka>	Duesentrieb: don't pop in and spam without reading back
[09:48:59] <Splarka>	<mindrones> I saw them thx
[09:48:59] <Splarka>	<mindrones> I don't need that
[09:49:26] <Duesentrieb>	o_O
[09:49:36] <Duesentrieb>	hm, sorry. 
[09:50:05] <Splarka>	mindrones: anyway, subpaging allows {{BASEPAGENAME}} to work, but also provides breadcrumbs back to higher level pages, this is enabled in user and talk namespaces by default, but not main
[09:50:10] <mindrones>	mwbot thx anyway :)
[09:50:20] <Splarka>	the reason being, on wikipedia for example, [[AC/DC]] should not be treated as a subpage of [[AC]]
[09:50:31] <mindrones>	ah right
[09:50:32] <Splarka>	it is a silly situation
[09:50:40] <mindrones>	but a cool band :)
[09:51:04] <Splarka>	but you must decide whether you want to use subpaging + displaytitle + ifexist template + nasty upgrade of your wiki and skins
[09:51:10] <Splarka>	or an extension like Duesentrieb suggests
[09:51:21] <Splarka>	or just use langlinks and keep pages at the translated titles
[09:51:27] <mindrones>	why nasty?
[09:51:37] <Splarka>	because it involves editing php *icky*
[09:51:50] <mindrones>	ah not nasty upgrade then
[09:51:58] <flyingparchment>	editing php makes upgrades nasty
[09:52:13] <mindrones>	so upgrade and change skin is nasty?
[09:52:26] <Splarka>	flying: they forked a new skin, so not so bad
[09:52:32] <Splarka>	but still nasty to keep it updated
[09:52:38] <flyingparchment>	ah
[09:52:41] <mindrones>	ah I see
[09:52:42] <Splarka>	at least, I think they did
[09:52:49] <Splarka>	it has no js globals, and barely looks mediawikiish
[09:52:56] <mindrones>	yeha we have blenderskin
[09:53:11] <Splarka>	you must have hacked wikibits.js somewhat too
[09:53:11] <mindrones>	it's not perfect tho, it has problem with fckeditor
[09:53:30] <Splarka>	yah, you did
[09:53:33] <Splarka>	if (true) { //jesterKing: wgBreakFrames) {
[09:53:41] <Splarka>	wikibits won't work without js globals
[09:53:50] <Splarka>	so you'll have to manually merge wikibits on upgrade
[09:54:06] <mindrones>	ok
[09:54:16] <Splarka>	better to insert the js globals back into your blender skin
[09:54:26] <mindrones>	mm ok
[09:54:32] <Splarka>	var skin, var stylepath, var wgArticlePath, etc
[09:54:41] <Splarka>	IMHO ^_^
[09:54:47] <mindrones>	tha packed skin is here http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Meta:Look_and_feel/Blender_skin
[09:55:02] <mindrones>	ahh I'll report that thanks :)
[09:55:26] <mindrones>	that might the reason why it breaks fckeditor?
[09:56:15] <Splarka>	yah, most scripts abuse the hell out of js globals
[09:56:24] <Splarka>	or at least, assume they are there, heh
[09:56:31] <mindrones>	I mean on monobook fckeditor works well, on blenderskin after you click on wikitext and then click again to come back it gives a ugly error and changes the text inside the text window (so you can't save or will loose your job)
[09:58:15] <mindrones>	Internal Error
[09:58:15] <mindrones>	Parser_OldPP::replaceInternalLinks: $this->mTitle is null
[10:00:27] <Splarka>	might be deeper than just the js globals displaying, eh
[10:00:44] <mindrones>	ugh
[10:01:05] *Splarka 	donno from happy fun broken time php
[10:06:26] <alpaka>	do you see my site with wikipedia layout or the blue layout? http://azadrahkar.org/test1/
[10:07:16] <mindrones>	Splarka thx for help :)
[10:08:32] <Splarka>	rar
[10:09:00] <alpaka>	My isp caches MediaWiki:monobook.css because when I visit my website via a proxy I see it with the blue layout, but when I directly view the site I see the default Wikipedia layout
[10:09:41] <alpaka>	http://sabetian.com/db/index.php?q=aHR0cDovL2F6YWRyYWhrYXIub3JnL3Rlc3QxL2luZGV4LnBocD90aXRsZT0lRDglQjUlRDklODElRDglQUQlRDklODclRDklOTRfJUQ4JUE3JUQ4JUI1JUQ5JTg0JURCJThD
[10:09:51] <mindrones>	!!!
[10:09:51] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "!!".
[10:10:33] <alpaka>	there's something wrong with the age of the document which MediaWiki generates
[10:10:47] <mindrones>	wait this mwbot is automatic?
[10:10:48] <Splarka>	> Cache-Control:	public, s-maxage=18000, max-age=18000
[10:11:22] <Splarka>	from  smaxage=18000&action=raw&maxage=18000 ... so the cache control headers look okay at least...
[10:11:49] <alpaka>	Splarka: 18000 second?
[10:12:04] <Splarka>	yah
[10:12:31] <Splarka>	so after 5 hours the cache should be invalidated, has it been 5 hours?
[10:12:39] <alpaka>	no
[10:12:46] <alpaka>	5 hours is good enough
[10:12:52] <Splarka>	on Wikipedia it is 30 days
[10:12:59] <alpaka>	hmm
[10:13:07] <Splarka>	so changes to styles have to be planned that far in advance X_X
[10:13:34] <Splarka>	mindrones: yes, it is a help bot
[10:13:35] <alpaka>	Splarka: thanks for the valuable info
[10:13:51] <Splarka>	controlled via various ! commands (see #mwbot for testing, or query it)
[10:13:53] <Splarka>	rar
[10:14:00] <mindrones>	Splarka ah very cool
[10:14:06] <Splarka>	alpaka: you can change that number somewhere in LocalSettings I am sure
[10:16:26] <alpaka>	Splarka: I guess I have to manually add a line to LocalSettings.php coz there's nothing associated with document age in it
[10:17:02] <alpaka>	Splarka: I'm happy with 18000s
[10:17:09] <Splarka>	k
[10:17:39] <alpaka>	Splarka: I can always test my wiki's appearance via a web proxy
[10:18:21] <egolost>	is it possible to use Wiki markup in the output of your extension?
[10:19:10] <Splarka>	alpaka: can't you reload via ctrl+r ? what browser do you have?
[10:20:15] <Splarka>	egolost: if you're modifying document display you just have to use an early hook -> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks#Page_Rendering  (before wiki markup rendering)
[10:20:50] <Splarka>	if you're doing it internally, there is some magic doodad for throwing wikitext to the parser (someone phpish tell him)
[10:21:03] <alpaka>	Splarka: firefox ubuntu linux, no, I have also tested my website on different windows machines with ctrl+r and ctrl+shift+r; It's the ISP that is caching my stylesheet
[10:21:33] <Splarka>	http://azadrahkar.org/test1/index.php?title=%D9%85%D8%AF%DB%8C%D8%A7%D9%88%DB%8C%DA%A9%DB%8C:Monobook.css&usemsgcache=yes&ctype=text%2Fcss&smaxage=18000&action=raw&maxage=18000
[10:21:51] <Splarka>	have you tried shift+ctrl+reload on the style URL directly?
[10:22:12] <alpaka>	no
[10:22:28] <Splarka>	(I really hate agressive caches that ignore pragma:no-cache!)
[10:22:50] <alpaka>	I just tried that to no avail, I see the default empty monobook.css
[10:23:04] <Splarka>	that is odd...
[10:23:21] <Splarka>	http://azadrahkar.org/test1/index.php?title=%D9%85%D8%AF%DB%8C%D8%A7%D9%88%DB%8C%DA%A9%DB%8C:Monobook.css&usemsgcache=yes&ctype=text%2Fcss&smaxage=0&action=raw&maxage=0
[10:23:25] <Splarka>	what do you see there?
[10:23:36] <alpaka>	now I see it
[10:23:40] <alpaka>	yes
[10:23:42] <Splarka>	okay, bad ISP
[10:24:06] <alpaka>	Splarka: yep, thank you
[10:24:09] <Splarka>	if it isn't fixed in 5 hours, change $wgSquidMaxage in LocalSettings
[10:24:24] <Splarka>	and then change it every time you update Monobook.css
[10:24:41] <alpaka>	Splarka: ok
[10:24:44] <Splarka>	not because it changes the age, but because it changes the URL
[10:24:53] <Splarka>	your ISP can't cache it if it moves! haha
[10:24:56] <Splarka>	that'll show those bastards
[10:25:23] <Splarka>	</evil>
[10:25:36] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) New Ajax-seach obscures GO + SEARCH buttons. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13941  +comment (10tents444)
[10:26:05] <CIA-60>	03purodha * r47970 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/CentralAuth.i18n.php: 
[10:26:05] <CIA-60>	Added missing closing " to message, thanks to hint of user fryed-peach
[10:26:05] <CIA-60>	of translatewiki.net
[10:27:04] <alpaka>	Splarka: mersi
[10:28:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) AJAX drop-down search (MWSuggest) obscures Go and Search buttons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13941  summary (10public)
[10:29:31] <alpaka>	Splarka: Do you see my wiki with the blue layout? http://azadrahkar.org/test1/
[10:29:51] <alpaka>	Splarka: Using web proxy I see it in the blue layout
[10:30:56] <Splarka>	yes
[10:31:32] <alpaka>	great
[10:32:16] <Splarka>	you could test it using your http://azadrahkar.org/test1/index.php?title=%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A8%D8%B1:%D8%A2%DB%8C%D8%AF%DB%8C%D9%86/monobook.css&action=edit  with [preview], that can't be cached in preview as it loads in the page directly (you might need to enable $wgAllowUserCss )
[10:34:23] <Splarka>	hey RoanKattouw: is srwhat=title disabled on wmf by configuration (in API or search) or just broked due to replag?
[10:34:42] <RoanKattouw>	Splarka: What error / result do you get?
[10:34:48] <Splarka>	  <error code="srsearch-title-disabled" info="title search is disabled">
[10:34:56] <Splarka>	->
[10:34:57] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=search&srsearch=Smith&srwhat=title&srnamespace=0
[10:35:06] <Splarka>	works fine with srwhat=text or no srwhat
[10:35:07] <RoanKattouw>	By config then, in the MWSearch/Lucene backend
[10:35:11] <Splarka>	k
[10:35:25] <Splarka>	(isn't a titlesearch less intensive than fulltext?)
[10:35:26] <RoanKattouw>	(although srwhat=text should find titles too, IIRC)
[10:35:42] <RoanKattouw>	AFAIK Lucene doesn't have a separation between the two
[10:35:44] <Splarka>	right, but if you wanted to restrict to just titles you need title?
[10:35:45] <Splarka>	ahh
[10:36:04] <RoanKattouw>	While the searchindex table in the database does
[10:36:31] <Splarka>	someone wanted an intitle: via API, not really a solution is there?
[10:36:34] <alpaka>	Splarka: so user css also exists, how wonderful
[10:36:45] <RoanKattouw>	Splarka: intitle?
[10:36:56] <Splarka>	roan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Intitle_search_with_the_API
[10:37:15] <Splarka>	alpaka: right, one for each skin, same for user/skinname.js (disabled by default)
[10:37:34] <RoanKattouw>	Splarka: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=search&srsearch=intitle:Smith&srnamespace=0
[10:37:43] <RoanKattouw>	The intitle: thing is a Lucene feature AFAIK
[10:37:50] <Splarka>	ahh
[10:38:05] <Splarka>	so any Lucene backend features can be passed via srsearch?
[10:38:25] <Splarka>	reply there plz ^_^
[10:38:29] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah, srsearch just passes whatever it gets to its backend without caring or knowing who/what that backend is
[10:38:48] <Splarka>	hmm
[10:39:00] <Splarka>	the API description might be more descriptive of that
[10:39:03] <Splarka>	* srsearch       - Search for all page titles (or content) that has this value.
[10:39:14] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah
[10:39:24] <RoanKattouw>	Something more generic would be appropriate there
[10:39:34] <Splarka>	or possibly less descriptive but more broad
[10:39:42] <Splarka>	like "Search all page titles (or content)."
[10:40:22] <RoanKattouw>	How about "Search string" ?
[10:42:39] <Splarka>	goodgood
[10:42:59] <Splarka>	then they know it just gets sent to whatever search backend they are using
[10:43:14] <RoanKattouw>	Splarka: BTW, how do you know so much about the Dutch language all of a sudden? ;) (chanlogs earlier today)
[10:43:36] <Splarka>	I needed an example of a word translated to two languages the same
[10:43:47] <Splarka>	so I went to wikt:apple and saw dutch and afrikaan was the same
[10:43:51] <RoanKattouw>	Ah
[10:44:00] <Splarka>	</lazy>
[10:44:13] <RoanKattouw>	heh, I thought you actually knew anything about nl or fr :P
[10:44:13] <Splarka>	I also wanted plain ascii langnames for the #ifexist example ^_^
[10:44:36] <mindrones>	ah talking about the translations? :)
[10:44:37] <Splarka>	en-3 fr-1 es-.5 de-.25 sv-.125 nl-0
[10:44:52] <RoanKattouw>	heh, we accepting fractions there now?
[10:45:11] *RoanKattouw 	misses a native language in that list
[10:45:38] <Splarka>	well, english, but the internet has devolved it
[10:45:45] <RoanKattouw>	heh
[10:46:17] <Splarka>	there wern't any words spelled with numbers in my day
[10:48:52] <Splarka>	http://toolserver.org/~nikola/grep.php?pattern=%5Ba-z%5D%7B1%2C%7D%5B0-9%5D%7B1%2C%7D%5Ba-z%5D%7B1%2C%7D&lang=en&wiki=wiktionary&ns=0
[10:49:40] <RoanKattouw>	Did you know + can be used as a shortcut for {1,} in regexes? (or doesn't this tool understand that?)
[10:50:08] <Splarka>	I do, and that tool isn't the brightest tool in the box
[10:50:23] <Splarka>	so I didn't even bother trying it
[10:50:33] <alpaka>	I found a bug in the tajiki (Тоҷикӣ) mediawiki, no matter what your wiki title is, mediawiki appends Википедиа (Wikipedia) at the end of the page titles
[10:50:38] <Splarka>	(might work though)
[10:50:46] <alpaka>	(Tajiki translation)
[10:50:53] <RoanKattouw>	alpaka: Link?
[10:51:00] <alpaka>	http://tg.pakoob.com/wiki/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8_%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%BA%D3%AF%D0%B1:%D0%A4%D0%B8%D2%B3%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8_%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%84%D0%B1%D0%BE%D3%A3
[10:51:09] <Splarka>	should be adjustable via the MediaWiki:Pagetitle system message
[10:51:32] <alpaka>	it is your wiki title which has to be appended at the end of the page titles
[10:52:01] <alpaka>	RoanKattouw: that's MediaWiki 1.14.0, look at the title in the browser's title bar
[10:52:15] <Splarka>	http://tg.pakoob.com/wiki/index.php?title=%D0%9C%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8:Pagetitle&action=edit
[10:52:41] <RoanKattouw>	alpaka: Yeah, what Splarka said, edit that page ---^
[10:53:09] <Splarka>	huh, MessagesTg is empty
[10:53:27] <Splarka>	these darn esoteric languages anyway
[10:53:30] <alpaka>	RoanKattouw: how do I submit this bug so that in the future release of mediawiki it will be fixed?
[10:53:46] <Splarka>	translatewiki.net probably
[10:53:52] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah
[10:54:11] *Splarka 	softly pings Nikerabbit
[10:55:06] <Splarka>	alpaka: are you sure it is a bug? it has been there unchanged for 13 months
[10:55:10] <Splarka>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=30021
[10:56:22] <Splarka>	oh, you mean it is hard-coded as "Wikipedia"? heh
[10:56:42] <RoanKattouw>	Shouldn't it just be {{SITENAME}} ?
[10:56:52] <Splarka>	yah
[10:56:57] <Splarka>	'pagetitle'                    => '$1 - {{SITENAME}}', # only translate this message to other languages if you have to change it
[10:57:05] <Splarka>	it shouldn't be translated in most cases
[10:57:05] <RoanKattouw>	mhm
[10:57:34] *domas 	kicks that message
[10:58:06] <Splarka>	yah yah, domas is a h8ter
[10:58:28] <alpaka>	Splarka: yes it is, in the Azerbaijani and Persian mediawiki, MediaWiki:Pagetitle is my wiki title which I have set when installing the wiki
[10:58:31] <Splarka>	but domas: what can you do? you can subst it on live sites, but it has to be {{SITENAME}} in svn since most sites aren't called "Wikipedia" ^_^
[10:58:43] <alpaka>	Splarka: see this: http://az.pakoob.com/wiki/index.php?title=MediyaViki:Pagetitle
[10:59:24] <alpaka>	Splarka: now compare it with this: http://tg.pakoob.com/wiki/index.php?title=%D0%9C%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8:Pagetitle&action=edit
[10:59:53] *Splarka 	nod
[10:59:57] *Splarka 	looking for culprit
[11:00:44] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah, it's hardcoded in tg (or in one of its fallbacks) and it shouldn't be
[11:02:12] <Splarka>	http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=MediaWiki:Pagetitle/tg-cyrl&action=history
[11:02:46] <RoanKattouw>	http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=MediaWiki:Pagetitle/tg-cyrl&action=edit
[11:02:52] <RoanKattouw>	It was imported that way
[11:03:49] *Splarka 	gets lost in tw again
[11:04:25] <alpaka>	it must be {{SITENAME}}
[11:05:08] <alpaka>	who can edit that page?
[11:06:21] <Splarka>	'Administrators' and 'Translators' on that wiki: http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:ListUsers&group=sysop  http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:ListUsers&group=translator
[11:06:28] <domas>	Splarka: ye
[11:06:34] <domas>	Splarka: I just wish people would do that themselves 
[11:06:39] <domas>	and I wouldn't have to write scripts :)
[11:06:48] <CIA-60>	03daniel * r47971 10/trunk/WikiWord/WikiWord/src/main/php/ (wikiword.php wwutils.php): fix undef vars
[11:07:13] <Splarka>	RoanKattouw: http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/MediaWiki:Pagetitle/  heh
[11:07:39] <RoanKattouw>	http://translatewiki.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Pagetitle/qqq
[11:08:40] <Splarka>	some of those are just edited to use different style dashes
[11:08:47] <RoanKattouw>	Ah
[11:08:59] <Splarka>	but several mistakenly remove {{SITENAME}}
[11:09:45] <alpaka>	I see
[11:10:08] <Splarka>	domas: would it make more sense to use $2 as a back-end shortcut to $wgSitename ?
[11:10:10] <alpaka>	I'll contact the Tajiki translator and let him know
[11:11:08] <CIA-60>	03daniel * r47972 10/trunk/WikiWord/WikiWord/src/main/php/wikiword.php: fix undef vars
[11:11:09] <Splarka>	alpaka: no translator should really be needed to fix this, just someone to restore all to {{SITENAME}} that don't have it
[11:11:15] <Splarka>	well, I mean, no specific translator
[11:11:24] <Splarka>	the only reason to translate that message is to style the position and dash
[11:11:37] <alpaka>	Splarka: ok
[11:11:47] <alpaka>	Splarka: I'll contact one of the sysops
[11:12:00] <Splarka>	k
[11:12:07] <Splarka>	some of them are here, heh
[11:12:14] <CIA-60>	03daniel * r47973 10/trunk/WikiWord/WikiWord/src/main/php/wikiword.php: fix undef vars
[11:13:30] <Splarka>	also see #mediawiki-i18n
[11:14:07] <alpaka>	Splarka: If they edit that page in translatewiki, will they apply it to the next release of MediaWiki?
[11:14:16] <RoanKattouw>	Yes
[11:15:00] <Splarka>	hmm, didn't they used to have the messages in an editable namespace there? I can't remember
[11:15:53] <RoanKattouw>	Splarka: That namespace *is* editable, but only for translators
[11:16:09] <Splarka>	more_editable
[11:16:54] *Splarka 	leaves a note in #mediawiki-i18n too
[11:32:20] <ilyak>	hi *! I'm having trouble with some else guy's wiki
[11:32:53] <ilyak>	It inputs and displays utf-8 pages just fine, but trying to edit such page yields question marks and garbage
[11:33:05] <ilyak>	Why that? http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org/index.php?title=POWDER/Russian_translation&action=edit
[11:35:46] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: ?
[11:36:28] <Splarka>	Nikerabbit: see #mediawiki-i18n last few lines I blabbed
[11:36:48] <Splarka>	or read back about an hour for long version, heh
[11:39:13] <RoanKattouw>	ilyak: I don't know if it's the cause, but this guy is running an ancient version of MW because he doesn't seem to have PHP 5: http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org/index.php?title=Special:Version
[11:39:28] <ilyak>	sure
[11:39:34] <ilyak>	but I run the same version
[11:39:38] <ilyak>	and it does work
[11:40:06] <RoanKattouw>	Then maybe there's something fishy with collations going on in his database
[11:42:58] <ilyak>	yeah it might be
[11:43:05] <ilyak>	mysql is really anal about collations
[11:43:12] <ilyak>	I've experienced that firsthand
[11:43:40] <Splarka>	alpaka: <Raymond_> Splarka: I will delete the Wikipedia-translations from the files
[11:44:35] <alpaka>	Splarka: great
[11:57:08] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r47974 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (CHANGELOG Configure.php Configure.settings-ext.php): Updated FlaggedRevs and Cite extensions
[12:01:57] <RoanKattouw>	Duesentrieb__: Do you know / can you say which the "default location" for Berlin is gonna be?
[12:03:04] <Duesentrieb__>	RoanKattouw: i'm afraid i can't tell anyone before it's 100% sure. but i can tell you that it's going to be multi-bed rooms at 60 eur for four nights.
[12:03:38] <RoanKattouw>	Right
[12:04:11] <RoanKattouw>	Guess I'll have to book an extra night (Thu-Fri) since I was counting on 3
[12:36:06] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r47975 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (12 files): 
[12:36:07] <CIA-60>	Remove translation identical to English source and/or with project specific translations.
[12:36:07] <CIA-60>	Other fixes are done in Translatewiki
[12:37:04] <olali>	wiki
[12:55:03] <olali>	language
[13:03:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) User interface HTML elements don't use lang attribute - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2865  +comment (10bugzilla.wikimedia)
[13:18:54] <PyroPeter>	i have edited MediaWiki:Sidebar, touched .../MediaWiki/LocalSettings.php and trunicated the ObjectCache table, $wgUseDatabaseMessages is set to true, purging of the sites did either not work (i got no warning message? but i was logged in as admin...) or did not affect the sidebar
[13:19:23] <PyroPeter>	but the sidebar content does not change
[13:21:05] <TimStarling>	what skin?
[13:21:49] <TimStarling>	and what version of mediawiki?
[13:21:54] <PyroPeter>	1.14
[13:21:56] <olali>	What is the name of the box with symbols? and how do I edit?
[13:22:28] <Splarka>	box with symbols?
[13:22:56] <PyroPeter>	i have not changed the skin, so i think it is monobook
[13:23:02] <olali>	when you edit text
[13:23:22] <Splarka>	above or below the edit window?
[13:23:35] <PyroPeter>	var skin = "monobook"; jep it is monobook
[13:23:54] <olali>	abow
[13:23:59] <olali>	no
[13:24:06] <olali>	below
[13:24:11] <Splarka>	ahh, that is an extension
[13:24:13] <Splarka>	!charinsert
[13:24:13] --mwbot--	CharInsert is an extension that enables the creation of JavaScript links which, when clicked, insert predefined text into the text box. These links are usually used in the "MediaWiki:Edittools" interface message. For more information, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CharInsert >; for example usage, see < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Edittools >.
[13:24:20] <olali>	sorry bad english
[13:24:31] <Splarka>	if you have it, edit MediaWiki:Edittools
[13:24:39] <olali>	Ok!
[13:24:50] <olali>	Thanks!
[13:24:53] <Splarka>	if not, install the extension, then edit that
[13:25:05] <olali>	?
[13:25:13] <olali>	extension?
[13:25:18] <Splarka>	check Special:Version for 'CharInsert'
[13:25:34] <TimStarling>	PyroPeter: was it installed as 1.14, or upgraded?
[13:25:50] <PyroPeter>	installed as 1.14
[13:25:50] <olali>	charInsert! ok!
[13:26:03] <Splarka>	hmm, that reminds me Tim: when brion added 'mainpage' to meta to $wgForceUIMsgAsContentMsg, nothing at all worked to get it translating, except &action=purge on each MediaWiki:Sidebar/xx (not MediaWiki:Mainpage/xx, but sidebar, which makes no sense)
[13:27:08] <Splarka>	so for example, Somepage?uselang=fr was showing the logo as a link to Main_Page, and even after an action=purge and action=purge&uselang=fr on the page, MediaWiki:Mainpage , MediaWiki:Mainpage/fr and a few random pages, but as soon as MediaWiki:Sidebar/fr was purged it worked
[13:27:10] <TimStarling>	yeah, it's broken when there are multiple lanugages
[13:27:19] <TimStarling>	maybe that's PyroPeter's problem
[13:28:22] <Splarka>	so possibly they should MediaWiki:Sidebar?action=purge MediaWiki:Sidebar/en?action=purge and MediaWiki:Sidebar/xx?action=purge where xx is their content language (if not en)
[13:29:19] <TimStarling>	I ran statsvn on mediawiki
[13:29:43] <TimStarling>	the output is kind of large, 17MB when compressed with 7zip
[13:30:06] <p858snake>	<random> http://www.princexml.com/howcome/2009/wikipedia/infobox/ < *spits* on his (or hers) Suggested principles </ random>
[13:30:14] <TimStarling>	I'm wondering if I should bother uploading it
[13:30:27] <PyroPeter>	this is possible, it is a german wiki
[13:31:00] <Splarka>	PyroPeter: try action=purge on MediaWiki:Sidebar/de ? sometimes that nudges it
[13:31:44] <PyroPeter>	Splarka: no did not work
[13:33:08] <TimStarling>	I got roped in to doing a talk at tomorrow's wiki wednesday in sydney
[13:33:11] <Splarka>	possibly try editing it
[13:33:12] <TimStarling>	so I wanted a graph or two
[13:34:12] <Splarka>	I always wanted to see a graph representing commits per day (last 4 years), broken down by: all, brion, brion reverting other commits
[13:34:18] <PyroPeter>	i just see that MediaWiki:Sidebar/de is still the default one
[13:34:28] *werdnum 	curses OpenID
[13:35:06] <Splarka>	eg ((pull\s*(back|out))|revert|undo|for now)
[13:36:38] <Splarka>	PyroPeter: do any other messages change on edit? like MediaWiki:Edit ?
[13:39:01] <PyroPeter>	what do you mean? (my english is bad)
[13:39:23] <TimStarling>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki_and_extensions_LOC_2009-03-03.png
[13:39:42] <TimStarling>	the per-user statistics are rather misleading
[13:40:08] <TimStarling>	for one thing, they count moves as being edits by that user
[13:40:31] <TimStarling>	it puts me at #1 mostly because I moved about 20k LOC from includes/ to includes/specials
[13:41:14] <werdnum>	it's a bit scary, 1.25 million LOC
[13:41:37] <Splarka>	PyroPeter: edit MediaWiki:Edit which controls what the 'edit' button tab says
[13:42:03] <TimStarling>	that's the other thing, there's a few things counted in there that shouldn't be
[13:42:21] <TimStarling>	like XCF files, XML test data, and bundled libraries like JQuery
[13:43:07] <Splarka>	PyroPeter: http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Edit&diff=6921969&oldid=3369200  try an edit like this on your wiki possibly, to see if any messages work
[13:43:33] <olali>	enable js?
[13:43:47] <Splarka>	CharInsert does need js, yes
[13:44:34] <olali>	dont know i try a script from en.wp
[13:44:37] <PyroPeter>	Splarka: yes it works
[13:45:13] <olali>	how to enable js? :_/
[13:46:03] <Splarka>	olali: what, in your browser? it should already be, unless you disabled it
[13:46:06] <CIA-60>	03demon * r47976 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/specials/SpecialUserlogin.php): (bug 17722) Fix regression where users are unable to change temporary passwords
[13:46:14] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Unable to change temporary password - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17722  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[13:46:40] <olali>	ok
[13:46:41] <Splarka>	CharInsert doesn't need any JS enabled in MediaWiki (unless wikibits.js is disableable, I don't think it is)
[13:49:17] <Splarka>	hmm, that's a thought
[13:49:21] *Splarka 	tests
[13:49:47] <Splarka>	heh
[13:49:56] <Splarka>	<charinsert>foo</charinsert> works on any page
[13:50:03] <Splarka>	but insertTags() is only defined in edit.js
[13:50:42] <Splarka>	silly enough that it simply fails gracefully with no textarea, but it shouldn't dump JS errors into the console!
[14:12:03] <CIA-60>	03daniel * r47977 10/trunk/WikiWord/WikiWord/src/main/php/ (wikiword.php wwutils.php): fetch related names
[14:32:05] <LolliRock>	Hellooo! :)
[14:32:05] <LolliRock>	I need help.. how can I create special upload pages like wikipedia does? (example: Special:Upload&uselang=en-ownwork)?
[14:32:08] <LolliRock>	thanks
[14:32:09] <LolliRock>	:)
[14:32:27] <Splarka>	that is such an awful abuse of the language system
[14:32:54] <LolliRock>	eheh... but it's ueful...
[14:32:57] <LolliRock>	:P
[14:33:01] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/MediaWiki:Uploadtext
[14:33:16] <Splarka>	you create messages as subpages of the MediaWiki:Uploadtext message
[14:33:30] <Splarka>	in the same way you'd create translations, eg Uploadtext/ru is russian
[14:33:39] <Splarka>	except you just create them in english for other circumstances
[14:33:51] <Splarka>	then you link to Special:Upload with &uselang parameter for those circumstances
[14:34:14] <Splarka>	same for other upload page messages, like Licenses:
[14:34:15] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/MediaWiki:Licenses
[14:34:29] <LolliRock>	ook! thanks! :)
[14:34:49] <Splarka>	note that you need to set Licenses in $wgForceUIMsgAsContentMsg for that to work
[14:35:56] <LolliRock>	and setting wgforceuimsgascontent to true will appear the licenses box?
[14:36:19] <Splarka>	hmm
[14:36:28] <Splarka>	I mean, Uploadtext/xx will translate with &uselang=xx
[14:36:42] <Splarka>	but Licenses/xx will not, because it is treated as a static message
[14:36:54] <Splarka>	_unless_, like en.wikipedia, you declare it as dynamic via http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgForceUIMsgAsContentMsg
[14:36:55] <LolliRock>	mmh. ok
[14:37:15] <Splarka>	TimStarling: someday plz fix that hack with a feature, kthx <3
[14:37:22] *Splarka 	hides
[14:37:33] <werdnum>	I think it's on Trevor's list for the usability project.
[14:38:05] <Splarka>	probably involving javascript document.write *sigh*
[14:38:20] <Splarka>	seriously, it's 2009, does every page load on every project need a document.write in the header?
[14:38:21] *werdnum 	w00ts.
[14:38:34] *w00t_ 	stabs werdnum
[14:38:36] <werdnum>	I created an openid server
[14:38:39] <Splarka>	hah
[14:44:21] <GerardM->	werdnum ... I would LOVE for the WMF to accept OpenID 
[14:44:51] <GerardM->	there are too few services that I use that accept OpenID
[14:45:30] <Simetrical>	I know, we should just become an OpenID provider!  That's a great compromise!
[14:45:40] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Overwriting global blocks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16675  +comment (10Andrew)
[14:46:34] <GerardM->	Simetrical a much stronger point would be when the WMF would accept OpenID credentials as well as provide them
[14:46:47] <Simetrical>	I was being sarcastic.
[14:47:06] <GerardM->	right
[14:47:19] <Simetrical>	Practically every major website is an OpenID provider these days, and almost none accept it.  Which makes it fairly pointless.
[14:47:31] <GerardM->	<grin> I was being dense </grin>
[14:48:24] <GerardM->	It would be the big challenge ... Please Mr Google we accept your when you accept ours
[14:49:11] <GerardM->	Please Mr Facebook ....
[14:49:40] *werdnum 	shrugs
[14:49:41] <Simetrical>	Why would they care?  Practically none of Wikipedia's users are registered anyway.
[14:49:44] <werdnum>	it is inconvenient or something
[14:49:54] <Simetrical>	We aren't that big from a registered-users standpoint.
[14:50:27] <GerardM->	But we are big when we make a challenge
[14:50:56] <GerardM->	We will get press attention
[14:51:03] <GerardM->	and a lot of it
[14:51:31] <werdnum>	Well I could possibly add an OpenID login field to the edit form
[14:51:35] <werdnum>	now THAT would get attention.
[14:51:42] <^demon>	As if offering OpenID for logins will suddenly make the ratio of logged in users increase? I highly doubt there's a significant number of people saying "Oh if only Wikipedia had openID, *THEN* for sure I would login and contribute."
[14:52:44] <Simetrical>	Our login process is pretty dead simple anyway.
[14:52:56] <Simetrical>	Although it could be improved considerably.
[14:53:04] <werdnum>	It desperately needs to be integrated with the edit form
[14:53:12] <Simetrical>	Yes.
[14:53:26] <^demon>	Separating login logic from the special page would be a start.
[14:53:38] <werdnum>	yes
[14:53:42] <Simetrical>	As part of actually making it available in more places, sure.  :)
[14:53:43] <werdnum>	maybe I'll poke at that tomorrow
[14:53:56] <Simetrical>	Brion keeps on complaining about wanting to move to secure logins, though.
[14:53:57] <Splarka>	and temp anon drafts, so you can 'save this page and login and come back to it'
[14:54:03] <werdnum>	Brion's instructions at the moment are "Look for stuff that needs poking, and poke it"
[14:54:07] <werdnum>	Splarka: yes, I was thinking about that
[14:54:10] <Splarka>	(for non-js fallback from ajax login)
[14:54:30] <werdnum>	I presume we just save EditPage state to memcached and send a token along for the ride.
[14:54:38] <GerardM->	Werdnum, there is an extension for this
[14:54:46] <GerardM->	AboutUS uses it
[14:54:53] <werdnum>	interesting
[14:54:59] <werdnum>	bah, 2am
[14:55:03] <werdnum>	okay, bed time for Andrew
[14:55:05] <werdnum>	goodnight.
[14:55:05] <GerardM->	I blogged about it recently
[14:55:05] <Splarka>	hmm, well you could just have an ajax login that updates wpEdittoken
[14:55:12] <Splarka>	gni
[14:55:21] <GerardM->	slaap lekker
[15:00:39] <GerardM->	it is not clear what extension they use for this from their http://www.aboutus.org/Special:Version
[15:07:29] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Enable oversight on spanish wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17769 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (pdsanchez)
[15:11:56] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Enable oversight on spanish wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17769  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[15:11:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable oversight on spanish wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17764  (10innocentkiller)
[15:12:22] <Stealthii>	is it possible that I can run Mediawiki on more than one server, using cnames?  how can I keep them in sync? (Use of one database server)
[15:13:11] <domas>	Stealthii: well, using single database server is a start
[15:13:20] <Stealthii>	I'd imagine :P
[15:13:25] <domas>	Stealthii: you need to have shared upload directory too (unless you use some fancy remote directory magic)
[15:13:59] <Stealthii>	how would I achieve that?
[15:14:07] <Stealthii>	I didn't want to go down the remote directory route there
[15:14:45] <domas>	NFS?
[15:14:46] <domas>	SMB?
[15:15:29] <Stealthii>	I've used NFS before, but it seems a bit limiting (ie. permissions aren't great, uids etc)
[15:15:44] <Stealthii>	and I'm stumped with Samba, I'll ask over in #samba for help with that
[15:16:07] <Stealthii>	apart from that, there's nothing else important that should be done?
[15:21:41] <Stealthii>	Also, would I benefit from PostgreSQL if it's a heavy wiki like Wikipedia, or would MySQL still be sufficient?
[15:21:59] <Stealthii>	I'm inclined to go Postgre, not for any particular reason though
[15:22:49] <Simetrical>	Heehee.
[15:22:53] *Simetrical 	waits for domas' answer to that
[15:23:26] <Stealthii>	perhaps someone a little less biased might over good advice on that :p
[15:25:21] <Subfader>	would this be possible?: A magicowrd to set a ignore-sortkey per categroy: E.g. in a category for a list of Clubs you don't want to see the subcat "Club Foo" und der C but F. Instead of adding a manual sortkey for all subcats it would be nice to enter sth like sortkey ignore "Club " into the Club Category Page.
[15:25:40] <Simetrical>	Stealthii, MySQL is the MediaWiki default, and from MediaWiki's point of view it will probably work with the fewest hassles.  Wikipedia uses MySQL, and I suspect that MediaWiki's pgsql support would have trouble scaling to Wikipedia sizes (that would be MW's fault, not pgsql's).  If you have some good reason to use pgsql (you're more familiar with administering it, your organization already uses it), then you might want to go with that.  Ot
[15:25:40] <Simetrical>	herwise, MySQL is probably preferable.
[15:25:59] <Simetrical>	Subfader, anything is *possible*.
[15:26:17] <Subfader>	or take bands. set ignore "The " so "The Rolling Stones" are sorted under R
[15:26:40] <Subfader>	yay sky's the limit!
[15:28:16] <domas>	Simetrical: 'pgsql support would have trouble scaling to Wikipedia sizes (that would be MW's fault, not pgsql's)'
[15:28:17] <Subfader>	atm i use a manual hack for the sortkey but that affects ALL categories which is good for "The " but not "Club " cos in other cats "Club" makes sense to sorted under C
[15:28:18] <domas>	Simetrical: wtf was that?
[15:28:28] <domas>	Simetrical: can you name any website in top100 that uses PG? 
[15:28:38] <domas>	Simetrical: for every one you name I can tell you one that migrated from PG to MySQL afterwards ;-)
[15:29:16] <Subfader>	Simetrical: Is there an inhouse solution or should i open a bug?
[15:29:50] <Simetrical>	domas, okay, I take it back, pgsql is terrible and doesn't scale anywhere.
[15:29:51] *Simetrical 	runs away
[15:30:10] <Simetrical>	Subfader, I think people just specify the keys manually.
[15:30:10] <domas>	Simetrical: troll!
[15:30:18] <Simetrical>	domas, hypocrite!
[15:30:20] <domas>	Simetrical: I just wonder what you mean 'MWs fault'
[15:30:50] <Simetrical>	I mean that I suspect the pgsql support is not as finely tuned as the MySQL support, because the MySQL support is tuned by dint of Wikipedia crashing.
[15:30:55] <Subfader>	yes as i do but it's not possible per category?
[15:31:17] <domas>	Simetrical: 'wikipedia crashing'? 
[15:32:05] <Simetrical>	domas, recently Tim remarked "well, that query has a transaction wrapped around it, so it probably crashed the site at some point".  :)
[15:32:10] <Simetrical>	Crashed, made slow, whatever.
[15:32:16] <Simetrical>	Improved by real experience.
[15:32:21] <Subfader>	oh misunderstood. 
[15:32:36] <Simetrical>	MW pgsql support is used on what, Citizendium?  No testing on such a big site as Wikipedia.
[15:33:07] <domas>	Simetrical: 'crashed the site' can be simply holding a row level lock
[15:33:14] <Simetrical>	Yup!
[15:33:17] <Stealthii>	Ideally, would pgsql not be more powerful, if MW was tailored to take advantage of the features it offers?
[15:33:26] <Subfader>	my request is about NOT having to do it manually for lots of subcategories when you are able to set ignore "The " as sortkey in the certain parent category
[15:33:28] <Stealthii>	rather than just being compatible with the system?
[15:33:36] <domas>	Stealthii: no? ;-)
[15:33:42] <Stealthii>	why not? :P
[15:33:43] <Simetrical>	Subfader, that's not possible right now.
[15:34:01] <Simetrical>	Stealthii, if you asked G_SabinoMullane, he'd say it would be more powerful, I'm sure.  If you ask domas, then no.  ;)
[15:34:01] <Subfader>	ok, worth it a request via bug?
[15:34:06] <Simetrical>	Subfader, if you feel like it.
[15:34:11] <Stealthii>	As far as I've heard, postgre is faster, and better for critical applications
[15:34:15] <Subfader>	cheers
[15:34:25] <Simetrical>	Stealthii, it's true that I don't know of any really big websites that use pgsql.  Google, Yahoo!, Wikipedia all use at least some MySQL.
[15:34:52] <Stealthii>	I've dabbed in pgsql a little recently, I think it's just because it's different from the standard mysql
[15:34:57] <Stealthii>	ie. 'for teh lulz'
[15:35:54] <Simetrical>	I've been meaning to try out pgsql sometime, but never found an opportunity.
[15:36:16] <domas>	Stealthii: *shrug*, depends on whom you talk to
[15:36:29] <domas>	Stealthii: when you talk to Facebook, YouTube, Google, etc, you may get different answer :)
[15:37:14] <Stealthii>	I suppose I have that terrible desire to do things differently :)
[15:37:28] <Stealthii>	hmm, I need to get round to converting my forum from pg to mysql then
[15:37:58] <Stealthii>	it's quite hefty (3000+ posts a day)
[15:38:05] <Stealthii>	but I don't think that's making a difference on anythong
[15:38:14] <Stealthii>	any thong, heh
[15:38:21] <Splarka>	speaing of bias, I wonder why domas likes MySQL so much
[15:38:32] <domas>	because I work with it every day!
[15:38:35] <Stealthii>	well he's in #mysql-DEV
[15:38:43] <Stealthii>	so he's obviously in love with it :)
[15:38:45] <domas>	and hey, I did PG support inside mediawiki ;-)
[15:39:03] <Stealthii>	but you made it bad, so people wouldn't use it
[15:39:32] <Simetrical>	Greg is the one who does pgsql support in MW today, and he's a pgsql dev, isn't he?
[15:39:41] <Simetrical>	No excuses!
[15:40:58] <domas>	Stealthii: haha!
[15:41:12] <domas>	hehe, check this out: http://www.flickr.com/photos/byte/3305183081/sizes/l/ \o/
[15:41:18] <marvxxx>	is there a way that i can force people to change their password?
[15:41:28] <domas>	marvxxx: with a script!
[15:41:43] <Stealthii>	lol
[15:41:46] <Stealthii>	shopped
[15:42:00] <marvxxx>	domas: is there already something like this? i googled around but couldnt find anything
[15:42:04] <domas>	dunno
[15:42:20] <Splarka>	hmm
[15:42:36] <Simetrical>	Stealthii, shopped?  Why do you say that?
[15:42:42] <Splarka>	what did Wikimedia do for the users with the password == username?
[15:43:00] <Simetrical>	domas, so, are we going to use XtraDB?  \o/
[15:43:17] <domas>	Simetrical: probably not, I may hijack some of the patches for next builds
[15:43:21] <Splarka>	marvxxx: there are several ways to change/reset someone's password, at least... 
[15:43:22] <domas>	Simetrical: they go a bit different direction than we need
[15:43:25] <Stealthii>	Simetrical, I remember domas from ages ago, I know he's a MySQL dev, think he helped me out a year or two ago on something
[15:43:45] <Simetrical>	Stealthii, so why did you say it's shopped?
[15:43:56] <Stealthii>	'for teh lulz'
[15:44:03] <domas>	Simetrical: they took google patch, and merged all the bits we don't use, and eliminated all bits we do
[15:44:33] <domas>	Simetrical: we're not running vanilla mysql either :)
[15:44:45] <domas>	but you know that
[15:45:19] <domas>	I want to switch to 5.1 though :) 
[15:45:39] <Splarka>	domas: "I have a wiki with 5 edits a day, and I find that lighttp, PostgreSQL, varnish, DokuWiki, and a Windows XP server are faster and easier. Wikipedia should use them"
[15:45:42] <Stealthii>	I've actually written quite a nice management script for MySQL, menu-driven, offering easy access to maintenance and backup tasks, including support for running from SVN :)
[15:45:56] <domas>	Splarka: dokuwiki is awesome 
[15:45:57] <Stealthii>	lighttpd is awesome
[15:46:05] <domas>	I actually have commit rights to lighttpd
[15:46:10] <domas>	never committed anything
[15:46:11] <ilyak>	5 edits? A lot!
[15:46:12] <domas>	but still have them
[15:46:16] <ilyak>	Mine has ~1 a week :)
[15:46:18] <Simetrical>	So how did you get them?
[15:46:24] <Stealthii>	if there was a way of using lighttpd's config syntax with apache, I think I'd marry the project
[15:46:45] <domas>	Simetrical: ah, I thought about doing few changes 
[15:46:48] <domas>	Simetrical: never got to them ;-)
[15:47:39] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Set global "ignore the beginning of sortkey" global and per category - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17770 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Categories; (subfader)
[15:48:58] <Splarka>	marvxxx: so what is your situation? do you want to force one user to change their password, or many? do you want to set it for them and email them the new password, or want them to do it themselves but not be able to login/edit until they do?
[15:50:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Set "ignore the beginning of sortkey" globally and per category - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17770  summary (10subfader)
[15:52:13] <marvxxx>	Splarka: i want that their password expire after like a half year...and that they are forced to change it
[15:54:05] <Splarka>	mmm, that sounds like nothing anyone has done to mediawiki before (or at least not mentioned on Mediawiki.org)
[15:54:25] <domas>	marvxxx: write an extension! 
[15:54:51] <marvxxx>	i wish i would be a coder ;-)
[15:55:09] <CIA-60>	03rotem * r47978 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/CentralAuth.i18n.php: Localization update for he.
[15:59:40] <Splarka>	hmm, so how would that work.., you'd need to store their old salted hash for at least 2x the expiry period, so they wouldn't just change it and change it back later
[16:00:20] <Stealthii>	domas, how's mysql 6.0 getting along?
[16:00:24] <Stealthii>	would I benefit from using it?
[16:00:59] <Simetrical>	You would probably benefit most from using production versions of the software.  :)
[16:01:25] <Stealthii>	unless there's something in 6.0 that makes it bling
[16:01:28] <domas>	Stealthii: some good things in it. 
[16:01:39] <Stealthii>	I'm using 5.0.x right now, should I change to 5.1?
[16:01:45] <domas>	Stealthii: not sure if merged to major 6.0 branch yet
[16:02:43] <domas>	you know, sun bought mysql, sun produces hardware with lots of CPUs, sun wants to have mysql shine on such hardware... ;-)
[16:03:10] <Stealthii>	heh
[16:03:30] <Splarka>	"this popular database software is optimized for single core machines, so what shall we do?" "buy them"
[16:04:02] <Splarka>	"but they come with a grumpy lithuanian..."
[16:05:42] <domas>	it works quite well on 4 cores =)
[16:05:56] <domas>	depends on workload type though
[16:06:07] <domas>	I did 80k queries a sec on 8-core machine recently
[16:08:21] <Stealthii>	back later :o
[16:10:20] <mindrones>	hoe can I insert a variable in a template so thjat it's equal to another one? like I have {{ MainTOC  | {{{1}}} | {{{2}}} | {{{3}}} | {{{4}}}}} }} and wanna put something like {{MainTOC|A|B|C|{{{1}}}}} to mean {{MainTOC|A|B|C|A}}  (fourth == first)
[16:10:25] <mindrones>	how*
[16:11:04] <Splarka>	you can't do that in the template call (well, you could use the Variables extension I suppose)
[16:11:07] <RoanKattouw>	mindrones: You can't. If it's *always* the case, you could of course just use {{{1}}} instead of {{{4}}} in the template itself
[16:11:07] <Betacommand>	mindrones: why would you want to do that?
[16:11:15] <Splarka>	you could do it in the template though:
[16:11:29] <Splarka>	{{{4|{{{1|}}}}}}
[16:11:33] <Splarka>	4 would fallback to 1 if undefined
[16:11:38] <mindrones>	thx all. yeah I know it could be in the template
[16:11:39] <Splarka>	(limited use)
[16:12:19] <mindrones>	problem is that it started as a general template and now I wanna specialize it but too many pages use that
[16:12:34] <mindrones>	http://wiki.blender.org/index.php?title=Template:MainTOC&action=edit
[16:12:52] <Splarka>	you won't be happy until you've replaced every line of code in the core, will you
[16:12:52] <Splarka>	heh
[16:12:58] <mindrones>	now people puts a link into the cross reference xref
[16:12:59] <davidfetter>	hello
[16:13:15] <Splarka>	mindrones: you could make a sub-template too
[16:13:17] <mindrones>	Splarka me? :)
[16:13:23] <davidfetter>	is there some way to establish a two-way communication from mediawiki to asciidoc format?
[16:13:38] <Splarka>	{{MainTOC2|A|B|C}} -> {{MainTOC|{{{1}}}|{{{2}}}|{{{3}}}|{{{1}}}}}
[16:13:42] <mindrones>	Splarka subtemplate?
[16:13:51] <Splarka>	that calls your other template
[16:14:10] <mindrones>	but the problem is that then aI have to replace the other one in all those pages
[16:14:16] <mindrones>	maybe the opposite :)
[16:14:49] <Splarka>	sure, have MainTOC as {{MainTOC/call|{{{1}}}|{{{2}}}|{{{3}}}|{{{4}{{{1}}}}}}}}
[16:14:55] <Splarka>	and move the current code to /call
[16:14:59] <Splarka>	er
[16:15:05] <Splarka>	|{{{4|{{{1}}}}}}
[16:15:07] <Splarka>	typo
[16:15:12] <mindrones>	reading..
[16:15:27] <Splarka>	then {{MainTOC|A|B|C}} would be the same as {{MainTOC|A|B|C|A}}
[16:16:13] <mindrones>	mm
[16:16:32] <mindrones>	but if they put {{{4}}} they will be able to have 4!=1
[16:16:43] <Splarka>	right
[16:16:51] <Splarka>	but you could just do that in the template itself too
[16:16:54] <mindrones>	Splarka let me explain my goal can I^
[16:16:55] <mindrones>	?
[16:17:00] <Splarka>	k
[16:17:24] <mindrones>	I have this index page here http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Doc:Manual
[16:17:43] <mindrones>	and IO wanna have a cross reference to http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Doc:Tutorials
[16:17:46] <mindrones>	I*
[16:18:02] <mindrones>	and next comes http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Doc:Theory
[16:18:13] <mindrones>	so that everyehere you can switch 
[16:18:34] <Splarka>	can you explain without URLs? they kinda cause my ADHD to... ooh shiny 
[16:18:41] <mindrones>	problem is that like it is now they use anchors, and they can be different if people call setion in different names
[16:18:49] <mindrones>	:)
[16:19:09] <mindrones>	Doc:Manual cross references to Doc:Tutorials
[16:19:54] <Splarka>	right, but what do you want, you want {{MainTOC|A|B|C|D}} and {{MainTOC|A|B|C|same as A}}?
[16:20:05] <mindrones>	example:yeah
[16:20:21] <Splarka>	I don't see why you can't just change {{{4}}} to {{{4|{{{1}}}}}}
[16:21:58] <Splarka>	then all these would be the same (4=A): {{MainTOC|A|B|C}} {{MainTOC|A|B|C|A}} {{MainTOC|A|B|C|same as A}}, and {{MainTOC|A|B|C|D}} would be different (4=D)
[16:22:02] <kopf>	are wikimedia tables meant to be of type "MyISAM" on mysql (windows)?
[16:22:38] <mindrones>	here http://wiki.blender.org/index.php?title=Template:MainTOC&action=edit instead of {{{xref}}} I'd like people to put Tutorials#{{{1}}} when they use the template so that the anchor is the same section name of where they put the template, and so if in tutorials that section name doesn't exist, yhe links shows in green and we  see it
[16:23:19] <mindrones>	Splarka now they put [[Tutorials#Interaction_in_3D|Tutorials]]
[16:23:26] <mindrones>	so decide the anchor, awful
[16:23:55] <Splarka>	as 1 or 4?
[16:24:03] <Splarka>	hmm
[16:24:04] <mindrones>	ah sorry as 4
[16:24:20] <Splarka>	ahh
[16:24:21] <Splarka>	I see
[16:24:27] <mindrones>	they can write [[Tutorials#dog|cat]]
[16:24:30] <Splarka>	you want {{anchorencode:}}
[16:24:44] <Splarka>	(possibly)
[16:24:49] <mindrones>	what's that?
[16:25:07] <Splarka>	makes a string into an anchor-safe string
[16:25:12] <Splarka>	same as headings do
[16:25:24] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words#URL_data
[16:25:51] <Splarka>	=={{{1}}}==  and -> [[#{{anchorencode:{{{1}}}}}|link to that heading]]
[16:26:31] <mindrones>	mm
[16:26:42] <LolliRock>	Splarka how can I modify the sidebar as wikipedia to change the upload link from Special:Upload to Wikipedia:Upload? :)
[16:27:09] <mindrones>	but like that I'm breaking the actual template, since we just have {{{xref}}}
[16:27:33] <Splarka>	LolliRock: $wgUploadNavigationUrl
[16:27:53] <mindrones>	Splarka I mean so where people has inserted [[Tutorials#dog|cat]] it will break
[16:28:07] <Splarka>	mindrones: okay, something like this then
[16:28:18] <Splarka>	instead of <div style="float: right;">{{{xref|}}}</div>
[16:28:21] <LolliRock>	thankssss, i'll build you a statue
[16:28:23] <LolliRock>	:D
[16:28:26] <mindrones>	Splarka ok, many thanks (as usual) you rock :)
[16:29:18] <Splarka>	<div style="float: right;">{{{xref|[[#{{anchorencode:{{{4}}}}}|{{{4}}}]]}}}</div>
[16:29:33] <Splarka>	oop, I mean...
[16:29:34] <Splarka>	hmm
[16:29:37] <mindrones>	1
[16:29:39] <mindrones>	:)
[16:29:49] <Splarka>	well, wait a sec, if you want 1 it just links back to the page
[16:29:50] <Splarka>	oh
[16:30:05] <Splarka>	<div style="float: right;">{{{xref|[[Tutorials#{{anchorencode:{{{1}}}}}|{{{1}}}]]}}}</div>
[16:30:10] <Splarka>	I guess is your intention
[16:30:18] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r47979 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Article.php: Fix for r47964: correct check
[16:30:25] <Splarka>	then if they don't specify an xref parameter, it links to that same section on Tutorials
[16:30:50] <Splarka>	and you could get more complex
[16:30:53] <mindrones>	Splarka nearly there, the problem is when they don't specify anything
[16:31:22] <mindrones>	Splarka  I'll think about it, thanks for being so gentle :)
[16:31:26] <Splarka>	<div style="float: right;">{{{xref|[[{{{reftarget|Tutorials}}}#{{anchorencode:{{{4|{{{1}}}}}}}}|{{{4|{{{1}}}}}}]]}}}</div>
[16:31:39] <ilyak>	damn
[16:31:41] <mindrones>	wow :) reading
[16:31:46] <RoanKattouw>	mindrones: Depending on context, {{{1|}}} could fix that (expands to nothing when the param isn't set)
[16:32:08] <mindrones>	RoanKattouw right
[16:32:20] <Splarka>	mindrones: I've edited templates much worese than this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Loop?action=edit
[16:32:31] <Splarka>	it gets fun after a while
[16:32:49] <mindrones>	:)
[16:32:57] <Splarka>	here is a good one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Citation?action=edit
[16:33:13] <mindrones>	Splarka yeah I saw the collapsible navbox one, crazy
[16:33:19] <Splarka>	you might not wanna call the 4th parameter {{{4}}} though, hmm
[16:33:29] <Splarka>	how about...
[16:34:03] <mindrones>	Splarka my biggest one since now http://wiki.blender.org/index.php?title=Template:Time/NextSunday&action=edit
[16:34:25] <mindrones>	needed here http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Dev:SundayMeetingAgenda
[16:34:39] <mindrones>	s/since/until
[16:34:43] <RoanKattouw>	mindrones: Considered using #time for that one?
[16:35:06] <Splarka>	<div style="float: right;">{{{xref|[[{{{xref-page|Tutorials}}}#{{anchorencode:{{{xref-section|{{{1}}}}}}}}|{{{xref-title|{{{xref-section|{{{xref-page|{{{1}}}}}}}}}}}}]]}}}</div>
[16:35:08] <mindrones>	#time?
[16:35:19] <mindrones>	is it a parser function?
[16:35:23] <RoanKattouw>	{{#time:}}, yes
[16:35:30] <RoanKattouw>	!parserfunctions | mindrones 
[16:35:30] --mwbot--	mindrones: "Parser functions" are a way to extend the wiki syntax. ParserFunctions is an extension that provides the basic set of parser functions (you have to install it separately!).  For help using parser functions, please see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words#Parser_functions>. For details about the extension, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserFunctions>.
[16:35:32] <mindrones>	gosh didn't see it
[16:35:42] <RoanKattouw>	The first link has a manual for all parser functions
[16:35:49] <mindrones>	mwbot thanks :) (this bot is cool)
[16:36:23] <mindrones>	RoanKattouw I've searched for such a template on wikipedia, but no luck
[16:36:59] <mindrones>	I've also though I could share on WP but I don't have a login there, and maybe it's not that useful
[16:37:32] <RoanKattouw>	Well something like next Sunday should be trivial with #time
[16:37:47] <RoanKattouw>	I believe it might even be as easy as {{#time:some format|next Sunday}}
[16:38:03] <mindrones>	RoanKattouw #time isn't in http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words#Parser_functions
[16:38:14] <mindrones>	searched with ctrl-F
[16:38:36] <mindrones>	ah in the second link
[16:38:41] <RoanKattouw>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions#.23time:
[16:38:46] <RoanKattouw>	Sorry, pointed you the wrong way
[16:39:07] <Splarka>	mindrones: expanded explanation of my last suggestion: http://p.defau.lt/?JH_XoeoD3CnkHmO4OlEsxA
[16:39:35] <mindrones>	gosh it was between titleparts and switch didn't see it :/
[16:39:45] <mindrones>	Splarka Thansk! reading :D
[16:40:18] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions#.23time:  <-- good #time ref
[16:43:05] <CIA-60>	03dale * r47980 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (5 files in 5 dirs): 
[16:43:05] <CIA-60>	fixed cookie preference choice of playback systems
[16:43:05] <CIA-60>	volume fix for flash
[16:43:05] <CIA-60>	bumped version
[16:49:40] <LolliRock>	...and how to remove the title from a page? I tried with:
[16:49:41] <LolliRock>	body.page-RockCiclopedia:Upload h1.firstHeading { display:none; }  .hiddenStructure { 	display: none; } 
[16:49:46] <LolliRock>	but it doesn't work...
[16:50:00] <Splarka>	check the page source
[16:50:11] <LolliRock>	it works for the main page.. but not for RockCiclopedia:Upload...
[16:50:14] <Splarka>	the <body> tag, find the exact class
[16:50:17] <Splarka>	: would be escaped to _
[16:50:41] <LolliRock>	mmh.. but why do it works for the main page and not for other pages..?
[16:50:49] <LolliRock>	anyway i try with body.page_
[16:50:51] <Splarka>	because you don't have a colon in your main page
[16:50:53] <LolliRock>	instead of -
[16:51:13] <Splarka>	look, go to a page, view the source, find the <body> tag
[16:51:19] <LolliRock>	ok
[16:51:20] <Splarka>	find the class, space delimited, starting with page-
[16:51:30] <Splarka>	copy that, prefix a ., append h1.firstHeading { display:none; }
[16:51:40] <Splarka>	no muss, no fuss, no guess, no stress
[16:52:44] <LolliRock>	ook!!
[16:52:55] <LolliRock>	thanks!! :D
[16:54:32] <WikIT>	Hi All,  Does anyone know a good way to get a word doc to view through the wiki?
[16:59:01] <mindrones>	Splarka I was reading and don't understanding for some reason. ok, so if they have to explicitly use variables with different names, so this won't break old templates right?
[17:00:18] <mindrones>	Splarka I'll check now what happens if they don't use any at all, it should remain blank I hope (mena if they don't use xref or xref-page etc)
[17:00:33] <Splarka>	ahh, well if you want _that_ behavior...
[17:00:35] <Splarka>	hmm
[17:00:38] <WikIT>	does anyone know a good way to transform a word doc to XML that the wiki will like?
[17:00:40] <Splarka>	might need an #if then
[17:03:01] <mindrones>	Splarka to me?
[17:03:50] <Splarka>	http://p.defau.lt/?3fmabbDiTpf2t1tjgwYyfg
[17:04:14] <Splarka>	{{MainTOC|A|B|C}} and {{MainTOC|A|B|C|xref=[[Foo]]}} would work the same
[17:04:36] <Splarka>	*if* xref-page, xref-section OR xref-title were defined, and only if xref= was not, then it could be customized
[17:04:50] <Splarka>	you'll just have to learn this and write it as you need
[17:05:16] <Splarka>	so...
[17:05:22] <Splarka>	{{MainTOC|A|B|C}} -> no section link
[17:05:35] <Splarka>	{{MainTOC|A|B|C|xref=[[Tutorials#Foo]]}} -> link to [[Tutorials#Foo]]
[17:06:01] <Splarka>	{{MainTOC|A|B|C|xref-page=Tutorials|xref-title=Flibble}} ->  [[Tutorials#A|Flibble]]
[17:06:13] <mindrones>	Splarka great :)
[17:06:29] <Subfader>	Why is moving files restricted to sysops per default? Are there reasons that speak against letting users do it? I think aboutallowing it but might oversee some issue.
[17:06:44] <Splarka>	still experimental
[17:07:14] <Splarka>	there may be nasty vandalism vectors possible, etc
[17:08:03] <mindrones>	Splarka I'll keep it more strict, so that they can't choose the name (Fibble), but wanna cite you for helping out, can I link to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Splarka ?
[17:08:12] <mindrones>	suppose it's you
[17:08:30] <dD0T>	Hi, how can I create a warning / info / notice box in mediawiki? I want to put a notification on top of an article.
[17:08:48] <Splarka>	mindrones: http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Splarka is often more entertaining, but yah, enwp
[17:09:17] <mindrones>	Splarka ahahah :)
[17:09:22] <mindrones>	i'll use that one
[17:09:28] <Splarka>	(aqua teen hunger force)
[17:10:29] <mindrones>	I guess there's not way to remove the popup :)
[17:11:10] <mindrones>	THIS CHRISTMAS SLOW NURSES BITE ASSISTED LIVING DRACULA bwahaha :)
[17:11:28] <mindrones>	ehm..
[17:11:40] <Splarka>	I was pushing the bounds of inline CSS annoyability
[17:11:51] <Splarka>	that's all legal wikicode and images on commons
[17:11:59] <WikIT>	does anyone know a good way to transform a word doc to XML that the wiki will like?
[17:12:30] <RoanKattouw>	WikIT: Not in MW core. There *might* be an extension that handles that kind of stuff, but MW itself doesn't really support anything natively other than images.
[17:12:36] <wikitesti>	hi i have problem with my mediawiki for title
[17:12:42] <RoanKattouw>	You can upload other files of course, but they won't show inline like images will
[17:12:50] <wikitesti>	with come char set
[17:13:16] <WikIT>	so there isn't a way to take a word doc with images and transform that to XML?
[17:13:19] <mindrones>	btw Splarka the worse thing about images is that afaik you can't click on image to go elsewhere, they always point you at themselves, is there a way to get them to be a link? 
[17:13:41] <WikIT>	and then just import the XML
[17:13:47] <RoanKattouw>	WikIT: Possibly, but that won't change how much MW will like it
[17:13:53] <WikIT>	lol
[17:14:05] <RoanKattouw>	Just that something is XML doesn't mean you can run it through Special:Import and it'll just magically work
[17:14:11] <wikitesti>	i have import my old database and change server
[17:14:22] <wikitesti>	i have reimport all database in latin1
[17:14:23] <WikIT>	Is there a better formatt to use than a .doc  maybe a pdf....?
[17:15:05] <RoanKattouw>	There is a PDFViewer extension (dunno the exact name, something with PDF)
[17:15:10] <Splarka>	mindrones: lots of ways
[17:15:13] <RoanKattouw>	that'll let you view PDFs in-wiki
[17:15:18] <RoanKattouw>	!extensions | WikIT
[17:15:18] --mwbot--	WikIT: MediaWiki has been built so it can easily be customized by adding extensions. This is usually a simple process. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Extensions> for instructions to install extensions, as well as for writing them. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix> for an overview of known extensions.
[17:15:23] <Splarka>	!imagelinks | mindrones
[17:15:23] --mwbot--	mindrones: In MW1.14+: you can use the new 'link' parameter [[Image:Foo.png|link=Bar]] | Before that, image linking was intentionally not supported in MediaWiki, so access to the image's description page was always available. If you need image links, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Linked_images> for methods and information.
[17:15:30] <WikIT>	!extensions
[17:15:30] --mwbot--	MediaWiki has been built so it can easily be customized by adding extensions. This is usually a simple process. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Extensions> for instructions to install extensions, as well as for writing them. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix> for an overview of known extensions.
[17:15:31] <RoanKattouw>	WikIT: Look through the extension matrix that mwbot linked to
[17:16:30] <mindrones>	Splarka thx! ah so have to wait for the 1.14 then
[17:16:37] <Splarka>	not necessarily
[17:16:41] <Splarka>	you can enable external URLs
[17:16:45] <RoanKattouw>	mindrones: 1.14 has been released already
[17:16:48] <Splarka>	or style a specific link via sitewide CSS
[17:17:00] <Splarka>	or install an extension like ImageMap 
[17:17:06] <LolliRock>	Splarka yesterday I've added these.. but it doesn't work...
[17:17:07] <LolliRock>	/* Category lists and diffs transparent instead of white. */ #mw-subcategories table, #mw-pages table, table.diff, td.diff-otitle, td.diff-ntitle {     background-color: transparent; } 
[17:17:12] <mindrones>	RoanKattouw eh  but blender's wiki admin is not available for a while :/
[17:17:13] <Splarka>	or whitelist <a> or use HTMLets or SecureHTML or even raw html
[17:17:23] <LolliRock>	the tabs remain white..
[17:17:33] <RoanKattouw>	mindrones: Ah, not your wiki, OK
[17:17:49] <mindrones>	RoanKattouw I'm a sysop but..
[17:19:08] <Splarka>	LolliRock: that bit has nothing to do with tabs
[17:19:26] <Splarka>	that's for making tables transparent so they don't have an ugly white background when you're changing the content color
[17:19:56] <LolliRock>	ah.. and how can i "fix" tabs also?
[17:20:05] <Splarka>	I thought I gave you the info yesterday
[17:20:09] <wikitesti>	hi i have problem with my mediawiki for title, some word don't workly ...  please help 
[17:20:17] <Splarka>	see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Monobook.css
[17:21:13] <LolliRock>	pheraps is.. /* BEGIN LIGHT BLUE SECTION ?
[17:21:18] <Splarka>	yes
[17:21:20] <Splarka>	you want to define...
[17:21:29] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r47981 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesRu.php: 
[17:21:29] <CIA-60>	* (bug 17737) Fixed russian URLs for Special:BookSources
[17:21:29] <CIA-60>	Will backport to 1.14.
[17:21:44] <Splarka>	.ns-0 #content, .ns-0 #p-cactions li a:hover, .ns-0 #p-cactions li.selected a, .ns-0 #content div.thumb { background-color: #ffccff; }
[17:21:56] <Splarka>	changing ALL the .ns-0 there to ns-whateverHelpis
[17:22:04] <RoanKattouw>	ns-12 IIRC
[17:22:14] <Splarka>	wikipedia does it backwards, they change all colors to blue, and then ns-0 back to white 
[17:22:20] <Splarka>	but if you want to change just help: do it forwards
[17:23:20] <Splarka>	mindrones:
[17:23:20] <Splarka>	[01:48:30] <Splarka>	.banner-link-webgains a { display:block; width:728px; height:90px; text-decoration:none; background:top left no-repeat url("http://track.webgains.com/link.html?wglinkid=61815&wgcampaignid=32673") !important; padding:0 !important; }
[17:23:20] <Splarka>	[01:48:51] <Splarka>	<div class="banner-link-webgains">[http://track.webgains.com/click.html?wglinkid=61815&wgcampaignid=32673&clickref=asianmediawiki &nbsp;]</div>
[17:23:35] <Splarka>	there is an example from the other day of a clickable image with vanilla install, no extensions, and only sysop access
[17:23:56] <Splarka>	you create a link, give it a parent with a class, and then subvert it to hell and back
[17:24:14] <wikitesti>	hi i have problem with my mediawiki for title, some word don't workly ...  please help  - for ex. http://wikitesti.com/index.php/Colpo_di_fulmine_-_Gi%C3%83%C2%B2_Di_Tonno_%26_Lola_Ponce  the original title are giò di tonnno & lola ponce
[17:24:32] <mindrones>	Splarka wow I read it now, was reading this http://distributedresearch.net/blog/2008/01/21/how-to-make-image-links-in-mediawiki
[17:24:39] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r47982 10/branches/REL1_14/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES languages/messages/MessagesRu.php): Backport r47981 to 1.14
[17:25:26] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) remove session info from URL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17737  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[17:25:30] <LolliRock>	@splarka: i've added that css but tabs are still "ugly"..
[17:25:30] <LolliRock>	http://wiki.rockciclopedia.com/index.php?title=Aiuto:Indice
[17:26:44] <wikitesti>	hi i have problem with my mediawiki for title, some word don't workly ...  please help  - for ex. http://wikitesti.com/index.php/Colpo_di_fulmine_-_Gi%C3%83%C2%B2_Di_Tonno_%26_Lola_Ponce  the original title are giò di tonnno & lola ponce
[17:27:36] <Reedy>	Its html encoding it
[17:27:45] <Reedy>	should work fine
[17:28:59] <LolliRock>	Splarka: i've added those css lines, but tabs are still "ugly"...
[17:28:59] <LolliRock>	http://wiki.rockciclopedia.com/index.php?title=Aiuto:Indice
[17:29:13] <wikitesti>	reedy talk with me?
[17:29:24] <Reedy>	I was replying to you, yes
[17:30:03] <Splarka>	mindrones: I figured out that little <span class="plainlinks">[url image]</span> trick long long ago on Uncyclopedia, but it requires external images
[17:30:10] <Splarka>	it is a bit intuitive
[17:30:47] <mindrones>	Splarka ah right, have to check if we allow for that
[17:31:06] <Splarka>	in fact: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Linked_images#External_image_syntax
[17:31:29] <Subfader>	sorry was away. ok moving images is experimental atm. may i suggest changing all image links in the pages as well with the move action? works as redirect as well but when you edit  apage it is not clear that this image name was move and shouldn't e.g. be copies.
[17:31:58] <Splarka>	mindrones: but you can't do that, probably... the CSS method is your only hope until you get someone with shell-access to fiddle settings
[17:32:02] <Subfader>	*was moved and shouldn't be copied
[17:32:34] <Splarka>	Subfader: not feasable, same with regular redirects
[17:32:42] <Splarka>	but even more so, for a shared repository for example
[17:32:51] <LolliRock>	splarka.. only one sec.. i've added those css lines but tabs are still "ugly"...
[17:32:52] <LolliRock>	http://wiki.rockciclopedia.com/index.php?title=Aiuto:Indice
[17:33:02] <Splarka>	they look fine to me
[17:33:04] <Splarka>	purge your cache
[17:33:09] <mindrones>	Splarka ok, I'll figure it out, I wanna use flags images as links to languages
[17:33:20] <mindrones>	Splarka many thanks!
[17:33:38] <Subfader>	ok then I will have to use use Extension:ReplaceText after every page move manually. I like to keep my wiki clean ;)
[17:33:50] <Splarka>	that's a bit silly
[17:34:00] <Splarka>	do you fix all redirects manually too after every page move?
[17:34:18] <Splarka>	there are also cases where image redirects are useful
[17:34:26] <Subfader>	what's the use in keeping the old page names ? 
[17:34:40] <Splarka>	like say someone wanted to always transclude the picture of the day, File:POTD could be edited every day to link to it
[17:34:56] <Subfader>	ok i see there a better arguments in keeping the old name than the advantage of replacing them
[17:34:58] <Splarka>	and that would work across a shared image repository (where templates won't)
[17:35:16] <Splarka>	also see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects#Do_not_.22fix.22_links_to_redirects_that_are_not_broken
[17:35:24] <Splarka>	for the en.wp guidelines
[17:35:32] <Subfader>	kk
[17:36:03] <wikitesti>	splarka ... can help me?
[17:39:06] <Subfader>	hmh i can live with it. also didn't know it's almost no matter of performance
[17:39:27] <Splarka>	wikitesti: no idea sorry
[17:40:15] <wikitesti>	ok
[17:40:19] <Gigs>	you should fix double redirects is all
[17:44:31] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r47983 10/branches/REL1_14/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/parser/ParserOutput.php): 
[17:44:32] <CIA-60>	* (bug 17713) Using links with only an anchor no longer add an dummy entry in the pagelinks table
[17:44:32] <CIA-60>	This is a backport of r45656
[17:45:13] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Anchors produce empty pl_title values in pagelinks table - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17713  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[17:45:50] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) "Update any redirects that point to the original title" has disappeared - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17771 major; normal; MediaWiki: Redirects; (mediawiki)
[17:47:18] <wikitesti>	hi i have problem with my mediawiki for title, some word don't workly ... please help - for ex. http://wikitesti.com/index.php/Colpo_di_fulmine_-_Gi%C3%83%C2%B2_Di_Tonno_%26_Lola_Ponce the original title are giò di tonnno & lola ponce
[17:54:33] <Splarka>	mindrones: http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Insertwackynamehere&oldid=175829#Better_never_than_late.21_or..._something
[17:55:00] <Splarka>	that's just to prove I did it in 2005 (since that blog you linked to did it before I wrote Help:Linked_images)
[17:56:55] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) "Update any redirects that point to the original title" has disappeared - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17771  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[17:58:06] <baali>	is there any attempt to make python wiki-text to html converter/parser?
[17:59:22] <RoanKattouw_away>	baali: mwlib? Dunno if that's Python or something else though
[18:00:35] <Jinx>	hmm... is there a certain setting that must be used to enable domain.org/wiki/index.php/PageName links?
[18:00:39] <Jinx>	or is that a mod-rewrite?
[18:01:02] <mindrones>	Splarka hah! cool :)
[18:01:44] <Jinx>	just updated to a new host... and right now i've got everything going to index.php?title=PageName ... which wouldn't be a big deal except all links to it use the /PageName 
[18:02:10] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) French localisation of coll-exclusion_category_title of Collection extension should be "=?UTF-8?Q?Wikip=C3=A9dia?=:Exclure lors de l'impression" - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17772 minor; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Collection; (jerome.borme)
[18:02:39] <Splarka>	hmm, who added #time to Help:Magic_words ?
[18:02:49] <Splarka>	hmm, that really shouldn't be there, as it isn't a core function
[18:06:33] *Splarka 	tries to rephrase it
[18:10:18] <baali>	so anybody here worked with/tried mwlib
[18:10:44] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) activate Extension "Labeled Section Transclusion" for de.wv - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17773 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (michael.frey)
[18:10:55] <baali>	one who recommended left immediately :(
[18:14:02] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) French localisation of coll-exclusion_category_title of Collection extension should be "=?UTF-8?Q?Wikip=C3=A9dia?=:Exclure lors de l'impression" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17772  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[18:22:21] <PyroPeter>	as i allready said earlier this day, i tried to change the sidebar, but nothing changes. (skin: monobook, language: de, tried everything: touch, trunicate and purge)
[18:28:37] <PyroPeter>	no support in this channel? :-P
[18:29:11] <ialex>	PyroPeter: did you change MediaWiki:Sidebar?
[18:29:23] <PyroPeter>	yes :-P
[18:29:39] <Ladonna>	Sounds language-related.
[18:29:42] <Ladonna>	Got a link?
[18:29:56] <Ladonna>	Or really bad caching.
[18:29:58] <PyroPeter>	im allready finished with Troubleshooting:Changes not showing up
[18:32:13] <PyroPeter>	"Ladonna: Got a link?" what did you mean?
[18:32:21] <Ladonna>	To your site.
[18:32:31] <Subfader>	what is the best way to disable the move tab on the talk pages w/o hacking the core code?
[18:32:35] <PyroPeter>	no :-P
[18:32:40] <PyroPeter>	its not public
[18:34:11] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) <error code="unknown_action" info="Unrecognized value for parameter &#039;action&#039;: query"> - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17774 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: API; (ska44ed)
[18:37:26] <PyroPeter>	Ladonna: but you can tell me what you did, if you got a link (<-- that should look like a if-clause type 2 or 3 , irrealis :-P)
[18:37:55] <Ladonna>	!access | Subfader 
[18:37:55] --mwbot--	Subfader: For information on customizing user access, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights>. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access>.
[18:38:04] <Ladonna>	Set the move right to the group you want to be able to have it.
[18:38:12] <Ladonna>	Don't try to hack the code. You'll just break things.
[18:38:16] <Ladonna>	And make upgrading a bitch.
[18:38:30] <Ladonna>	PyroPeter: Are you using English?
[18:38:36] <PyroPeter>	i try
[18:38:44] <Ladonna>	MediaWiki:Sidebar is a weird message.
[18:38:57] <Subfader>	why would one want to move a talk page without the belonging page anyway? i e.g. only do it by accident when i watch a talk page coming from recent changes.
[18:39:08] <Ladonna>	If you're using English for your project and for your personal language (in Special:Preferences), it should update appropriately.
[18:39:17] <PyroPeter>	just a moment, i have to google the word "weird" :-P
[18:39:24] <Ladonna>	Subfader: Oh, you're talking about the little checkbox?
[18:39:38] <Subfader>	opening a bug
[18:39:45] <Ladonna>	Subfader: Just use CSS.
[18:40:11] <Ladonna>	PyroPeter: Is your wiki's language English? If not, you'll likely need to edit MediaWiki:Sidebar/fr or whatever.
[18:40:14] <Subfader>	no it's "dangerous" in general imo
[18:40:29] <Subfader>	an autoticked checkbox would be good
[18:40:43] <PyroPeter>	Ladonna: oh is my english so bad? im german :-P
[18:41:06] <PyroPeter>	i have edited the page MediaWiki:Sidebar/de
[18:41:42] <Ladonna>	And it's still not working?
[18:41:51] <PyroPeter>	yes
[18:41:52] <Ladonna>	Subfader: I thought it was autoticked.
[18:42:15] <Subfader>	there is nothing when you move talk pages ;)
[18:42:18] <harald>	Does MediaWiki support tagging articles/pages with arbitrary tags (=titles of other pages) or is there only the category-based tagging mechanism which basically uses a separate namespace?
[18:42:46] <Ladonna>	Ah.
[18:42:50] <Ladonna>	harald: You mean like tags used in blogs?
[18:43:10] <Ladonna>	There may be an extension somewhere. But in MediaWiki core, you're stuck with categories and templates.
[18:43:15] <Ladonna>	!matrix
[18:43:15] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix
[18:43:37] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Autoticked: "Move Page as well" when moving Talk pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17775 normal; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (subfader)
[18:43:38] <harald>	Ladonna: rather more like it works in TiddlyWiki
[18:44:41] <harald>	I want to migrate a stand-alone single-file TiddlyWiki to MediaWiki for department usage. TiddlyWiki allows to tag any page using other page's titles and then automatically generates the references.
[18:44:41] <LolliRock>	Hello. If I go to Special:Statistics I receive a db error.. function: SiteStatsUpdate::cacheUpdate.. error:1054: Unknown column 'ss_active_users' in 'field list' (localhost)
[18:44:45] <Ladonna>	Check out the extension matrix?
[18:44:59] <LolliRock>	how can i do?
[18:45:03] <Ladonna>	LolliRock: Run maintenance.php.
[18:45:07] <Ladonna>	Um.
[18:45:13] <Ladonna>	Run maintenance/update.php
[18:45:15] <harald>	Ladonna: read the matrix but somehow seem to have missed it.
[18:45:27] <LolliRock>	@ladonna: from browser or server?
[18:45:34] *MrZ-man|lazin 	puts Ladonna into the matrix
[18:45:41] <Ladonna>	LolliRock: From the server.
[18:45:48] <PyroPeter>	Ladonna: wat hould i do now?
[18:45:52] <PyroPeter>	*should
[18:45:56] <PyroPeter>	+h
[18:46:01] <LolliRock>	i can't access to the command line....
[18:46:02] <Subfader>	Ladonna: yeah will use css as my private fix :)
[18:46:05] <harald>	All the extensions with "Category" in their name don't offer the functionality I'm looking for. And "Tag" in names doesn't help much :(
[18:46:16] <Ladonna>	PyroPeter: No idea. Try making sure your cache is all cleared out?
[18:46:53] <PyroPeter>	Ladonna: i touched Local... and trunicated ObjectCache, like it reads in the wiki
[18:47:17] <Ladonna>	What happens if you append ?uselang=en to the URL?
[18:47:21] <Ladonna>	Does that change the sidebar?
[18:48:02] <PyroPeter>	Ladonna: no
[18:48:46] <LolliRock>	@ladonna: is there another way to "update" the db (i've upgraded to 1.14 wthour any problem expect that..) without running the script from the command line?
[18:49:06] <Ladonna>	LolliRock: You can re-run the installer (config/index.php).
[18:49:10] <MrZ-man|lazin>	PyroPeter: are you able to change other messages?
[18:49:20] <PyroPeter>	MrZ-man|lazin: yes
[18:49:42] <PyroPeter>	MediaWiki:edit is working
[18:57:40] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Document $wgFixDoubleRedirects in 1.14.0 release notes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17771  summary; +comment (10mediawiki)
[18:59:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Moving Talk pages is dangerous. Autoticked: "Move associated page as well" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17775  summary (10subfader)
[19:00:42] <PyroPeter>	even drupal can change the sidebar...
[19:06:54] <PyroPeter>	but, how did they make it on wikipedia.org?
[19:07:17] <ialex>	they changed MediaWiki:Sidebar
[19:07:50] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) <error code="unknown_action" info="Unrecognized value for parameter &#039;action&#039;: query"> - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17774  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[19:09:11] <PyroPeter>	but there must be someone who knows about what could be wrong in my wiki
[19:09:31] <ialex>	is it public?
[19:09:35] <PyroPeter>	no
[19:10:32] <ialex>	PyroPeter: can you paste the content of MediaWiki:Sidebar in a pastebin?
[19:10:44] <PyroPeter>	jep
[19:12:29] <PyroPeter>	http://rafb.net/p/izrvPj30.html
[19:13:15] <ialex>	PyroPeter: I think you'll need to delete all what is after line 10
[19:13:31] <RoanKattouw>	!shorturl | Jinx
[19:13:31] --mwbot--	Jinx: To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL>. There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem
[19:14:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change "Move associated talk page" to "Move associated page" and have it apply to talk or content page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17775  summary; +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[19:14:47] <PyroPeter>	thanks it worked!
[19:15:07] <PyroPeter>	but i needed to change Sidebar and Sidebar/de
[19:15:26] <PyroPeter>	is that a bug?
[19:16:07] <baali>	RoanKattouw, have you used mwlib??
[19:16:10] <ialex>	PyroPeter: only MediaWiki:Sidebar has to be changed, unless you put it in $wgForceUIMsgAsContentMsg
[19:16:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553  (10rememberthedot)
[19:16:26] <PyroPeter>	ok
[19:16:57] <RoanKattouw>	baali: No, I just know that it exists. I'm in charge of MW's bot interface, which is how I know a few things about bot frameworks ('cause the people who wrote them bug me a lot :D )
[19:17:02] <PyroPeter>	thanks @ all and good bye, i hope we dont see again, i like mediawiki :-P
[19:17:10] <RoanKattouw>	But I don't actually use any myself
[19:17:37] <baali>	RoanKattouw, aah okay no problem, 
[19:18:18] <baali>	i am working on this project http://code.google.com/p/offline-wikipedia/ so was looking for that parser
[19:19:13] <RoanKattouw>	baali: How are you getting the wikitext in the first place then? XML dumps?
[19:19:26] <baali>	RoanKattouw, yeah
[19:19:35] <LolliRock>	@ladonna: are you here?
[19:19:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change "Move associated talk page" to "Move associated page" and have it apply to talk or content page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17775  (10subfader)
[19:19:46] <Ladonna>	I am.
[19:19:58] <LolliRock>	if I go to /config/index.php it says: Setup has completed, your wiki is configured.
[19:20:05] <LolliRock>	but the db error still remains...
[19:20:18] <baali>	RoanKattouw, recently using csv format i fixed it all in 4.3G, now am improving parser which is in python
[19:21:05] <RoanKattouw>	baali: What you *could* do is install a local copy of MediaWiki (doesn't have to have pages in it) and use the API to access MW's own parser
[19:21:23] <RoanKattouw>	Nothing imitates our parser better than our parser itself :)
[19:22:03] <baali>	RoanKattouw, yeah i know, and am no-way near to that quality 
[19:23:08] <baali>	RoanKattouw, there is a PHP parser itself available from http://users.softlab.ece.ntua.gr/~ttsiod/buildWikipediaOffline.html, and it works fine
[19:23:14] <RoanKattouw>	Of course that'd still require a local install with a webserver and PHP
[19:24:08] <baali>	yeah, that's what i want to avoid, i tend to make i workable straight from DVD itself, and if interested installable 
[19:26:12] <LolliRock>	ladonna... what can I do?
[19:26:39] <Ladonna>	!upgrade | LolliRock 
[19:26:39] --mwbot--	LolliRock: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading
[19:35:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change "Move associated talk page" to "Move associated page" and have it apply to talk or content page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17775  (10mikelifeguard)
[19:48:08] <Subfader>	I want to change search results so links to mp3 file pages are displayed differently. I'd like to us an existing template i use to create such links manually on pages. How can I do that?
[19:48:43] <RoanKattouw>	Subfader: Do you use that template for .mp3 links only of for other links as well?
[19:49:22] <Subfader>	only for mp3. a global appearance of them would rock even more
[19:49:33] <RoanKattouw>	Then just change the template ;)
[19:49:49] <RoanKattouw>	Oh wait, you'd like to change *search results*
[19:49:51] <RoanKattouw>	Ah
[19:49:56] <Subfader>	yeah
[19:50:09] <Subfader>	or ALL system generated links to File pages which are mp3
[19:50:22] <mindrones>	mm, can't find a parser funxtion to give me the namespace of a given page is that possible? something to use like {{#namespace: {{{1}}} }} (or {{ns: {{{1}}} }}. Even titleparts don't separate the namespace from the title..
[19:50:52] <Subfader>	but must be mp3. a global change would save me from hackimg all those special pages :D
[19:50:57] <RoanKattouw>	Subfader: Looks like another candidate for a Linker::link() hack, like the one I did for you for the category icons thing
[19:51:56] <Subfader>	yeah i didn't think about the glabal appearence before. atm i try to hack SecialSearch to remove that fileicon for mp3 results
[19:53:15] <RoanKattouw>	Fileicon?
[19:53:47] <mindrones>	ack! "As of 1.15+, these can all take a parameter, specifying the property should be returned for a given title instead of the current page:" so have to wait for that I guess..
[19:53:54] <Subfader>	common/images/icons/fileicon-ogg.png
[19:54:21] <Subfader>	which i had to rebname to mp3 instead of ogg cos MW is so wikipedia-orientated :D
[19:55:41] <Subfader>	err, i don't want it to appear in search results but just my plain mp3 player template thingy
[19:56:11] <Subfader>	120x120 is quite space wasting for all non-image file results
[19:58:23] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r47984 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialPrefixindex.php: (bug 16434) Fixed Special:PrefixIndex paging with no prefix
[19:58:32] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Pagination doesn't work on Special:PrefixIndex with no prefix - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16434  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[20:02:36] <wikibugs>	03(CLOSED) <error code="unknown_action" info="Unrecognized value for parameter &#039;action&#039;: query"> - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17774  (10ska44ed)
[20:04:17] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r47985 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/AbuseFilter.i18n.php: Add a full stop at the end of a sentence
[20:05:16] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) suppression not working on deletedcontributions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17755  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[20:09:46] <CIA-60>	03rotem * r47986 10/trunk/extensions/SiteMatrix/SiteMatrix.i18n.php: Localization fixes for he.
[20:10:42] <ialex>	Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_NAMESPACE, expecting T_STRING in includes/parser/CoreParserFunctions.php on line 278
[20:10:49] <ialex>	(PHP5.3b1)
[20:10:57] *ialex 	sigh
[20:12:50] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r47987 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ChangesList.php: Redundancy/perm cleanups to insertRollback()
[20:14:03] <CIA-60>	03nad * r47988 10/trunk/extensions/RecordAdmin/ (RecordAdmin.i18n.php RecordAdmin.php RecordAdmin_body.php): using $wgRecordAdminCategory global not recordadmin-category message because it must not change per-user
[20:31:34] <quentusrex>	How do I setup mediawiki 1.14 to restrict user account creation?
[20:31:39] <CIA-60>	03yaron * r47989 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_QP_CSV.php: 
[20:31:39] <CIA-60>	Added handling for 'headers' and 'mainlabel' parameters; this format will now
[20:31:39] <CIA-60>	return, by default, a header row at the top
[20:32:19] <quentusrex>	I want to set it up so that users can signup and confirm their e-mail, but they have to be 'approved' by a beurocrat or sysop before they can do anything.
[20:35:46] <AaronSchulz>	!confirmaccount quentusrex
[20:35:46] --mwbot--	To require approval before accounts can edit, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmAccount>. Alternatively, remove edit rights from all users, and create a new user group like "approved" with edit rights; a bureaucrat can then assign users to the "approved" group to allow them to edit. For more information about the alternative, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/He
[20:36:08] <ialex>	hmm
[20:36:16] <AaronSchulz>	heh
[20:36:22] <ialex>	message was truncated...
[20:41:07] <quentusrex>	is that extension pretty good?
[20:41:23] <quentusrex>	I mean, is it a 'approved' method?
[20:42:42] <Subfader>	why not simply aprove by adding the user to a user group that can do things.
[20:44:33] <Betacommand>	Subfader: thats what the last part of that message was saying
[20:45:06] <Betacommand>	quentusrex: the usergroup option is one of the best Ive seen
[20:45:07] <Subfader>	doh
[20:45:44] <quentusrex>	what's the link?
[20:45:52] <quentusrex>	the one that got cutoff?
[20:47:28] <Betacommand>	quentusrex: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights
[20:51:46] <Jinx>	RoanKattouw_away: i appreciate the response, but my problem is that the default method isn't working...
[20:51:53] <Jinx>	though on that page it states: 
[20:51:54] <Jinx>	    http://example.com/w/index.php?title=Page_title (recent versions of MediaWiki, using CGI)
[20:52:07] <Jinx>	    http://example.com/w/index.php/Page_title (recent versions of MediaWiki, unless using CGI)
[20:52:22] <Jinx>	so, apparently i'm using CGI ?
[20:52:36] <Jinx>	not really aware of how/why though.
[20:53:16] <Jinx>	all external links referencing the wiki are example.com/wiki/index.php/Page_title
[20:53:39] <Jinx>	so, can i just "turn off" CGI? heh
[20:55:19] <Jinx>	i'm sure i could make a mod rewrite... but i'd rather not if there is a simple way to get the above working by default
[20:55:59] <Betacommand>	Jinx: those are bad incoming links
[20:56:16] <Betacommand>	example.com/wiki/Page_title
[20:56:23] <Betacommand>	is what they should be
[20:57:23] <Jinx>	well, that's how the previous wiki install worked
[20:57:29] <Jinx>	and apparently one of the two default options
[20:57:35] <Jinx>	so, i wouldn't call them bad
[20:58:35] <Jinx>	regardless, i'd rather leave those links valid
[20:58:47] <Betacommand>	Jinx: what version of mediawiki?
[21:00:09] <Jinx>	1.13.x
[21:01:10] <Jinx>	same version as our previous software
[21:01:48] <Jinx>	like i said... i suspect it has something to do with CGI... but i've never dealt with CGI... and wouldn't know why index.php/Page_title wouldn't work
[21:02:06] <Jinx>	i deleted the empty CGI-Bin folder in my public_html dir... but that didn't help of course :)
[21:02:21] <Jinx>	versions:
[21:02:21] <Jinx>	MediaWiki  	1.13.3
[21:02:22] <Jinx>	PHP 	5.2.8 (cgi-fcgi)
[21:02:22] <Jinx>	MySQL 	5.1.30
[21:02:52] <Jinx>	i guess it's due to the way the php runs? is that something i can change myself or do i likely need to contact my hosting provider?
[21:03:30] <Jinx>	grr, unfortunately, i have to go, but i'll read any response when i get back :)
[21:03:33] <Jinx>	thank you in advance
[21:07:46] <CIA-60>	03demon * r47990 10/branches/REL1_14/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: (bug 17771) Document $wgFixDoubleRedirects in 1.14.0 release notes
[21:07:50] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Document $wgFixDoubleRedirects in 1.14.0 release notes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17771  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[21:15:53] <CIA-60>	03dale * r47991 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/ (mv_embed/libEmbedObj/mv_nativeEmbed.js mv_stream.js): fix to stream offset time for native video support
[21:21:30] <CIA-60>	03demon * r47992 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): (bug 12970) Add global to force client rendering of thumbs. Helpful for victims of safe_mode which can break thumbnailing Very Badly.
[21:22:44] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Problem creating image thumbnails in 1.11 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12970  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[21:24:02] <Simetrical>	brion, RememberTheDot is saying he's been contacting you about commit access but still hasn't gotten it.
[21:31:58] <CIA-60>	03jnatividad * r47993 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticResultFormats/Ploticus/ (README SRF_Ploticus.php): refactored showHeaders logic; added README explanation why "headers=hide" by default (known Ploticus 2.40 problem)
[21:33:34] <brion>	Simetrical: yeah i've been cleaning out requests in my inbox, got a bunch to follow up on :D
[21:36:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  New:=?UTF-8?Q?=20Rename=20Wikipedia=20namespace=20to=20=D0=92=D0=B8=D0=BA=D0=B8=D0=BF=D0=B5=D0=B4=D0=B8?=, the actually used prefix - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17776  (10N/A)
[21:41:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Rename 'os'=?UTF-8?Q?=20Wikipedia=20namespace=20to=20=D0=92=D0=B8=D0=BA=D0=B8=D0=BF=D0=B5=D0=B4=D0=B8?=, the actually used prefix - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17776   +shell; summary (10brion)
[21:45:21] <mitixi>	hi, i am instaling sphinx on my mediawiki on windows, editing sphinx.conf right now, extracting sphingx files to c:\sphinx. there are some /var/data, /var/lib and /var/log strings in conf file I should probably change and create my folders. So what /var means?
[21:46:16] <mitixi>	should I create C:\sphinx\log and change /var/log/sphinx/searchd.log to c:/sphinx/log/searchd.log ?
[21:49:57] <Simetrical>	Does Sphinx even work on Windows?
[21:50:38] <mitixi>	there is a win32 download and in instructions it says it does, though heavy search should be limited
[21:50:40] <Simetrical>	Yes, apparently.
[21:52:08] <RoanKattouw>	brion: FYI, I've attempted to fix the ENotif breakage in r47927, might be something you wanna give priority syncing (don't mean to push or anything ;) )
[22:00:30] <CIA-60>	03jnatividad * r47994 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_QP_CSV.php: implements enhancement for bug 17760 to allow large CSV files when $smwgQMaxInlineLimit (see SMW_Settings.php) and query "limit" is set to large values.
[22:01:03] <mindrones>	hi, is it possible to have a link with anchor signed as inexistent even if it is the anchor to be non-existent but the page exists?
[22:01:56] <mindrones>	like I do [[Main_Page#Foo|Foo]] and if #Foo isn't in Main_Page the link appears as non-existent?
[22:02:39] <Simetrical>	mindrones, no.  The anchor could be created or hidden in all sorts of complicated ways.
[22:02:48] <Simetrical>	So it wouldn't be very practical.
[22:02:51] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Allow CSV result format to accommodate large result sets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17760  +comment (10mediawiki)
[22:02:55] <mindrones>	hidden?
[22:03:06] <mindrones>	(btw Simetrical thx :)
[22:03:18] <Simetrical>	Well, potentially, yes.  By CSS or whatnot.  But more significantly, we don't have any way of tracking what anchors are on a page.
[22:03:28] <Simetrical>	At least not right now.
[22:03:31] <mindrones>	ah I see
[22:03:33] <Simetrical>	You could do it, if you parsed the page.
[22:03:37] <Simetrical>	But there could also be other anchors.
[22:03:55] <mindrones>	would be very useful, so you can see it
[22:04:06] <mindrones>	ah right
[22:04:09] <mindrones>	doubles atc
[22:04:11] <mindrones>	etc*
[22:04:19] <Simetrical>	For instance, [[Main Page#p-lang]] is going to work, even though there's no "p-lang" section.
[22:04:24] <Simetrical>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page#p-lang
[22:04:34] <Simetrical>	Hard to deal with that kind of stuff programmatically.
[22:05:09] <mindrones>	Simetrical there's a <div id="mp-lang"><a name="Wikipedia_languages" id="Wikipedia_languages"></a>
[22:05:20] <mindrones>	weird
[22:05:56] <Simetrical>	mindrones, not weird at all.
[22:06:01] <mindrones>	but the point that u could have more anchors is different, the problem is if the anchor doesn't exist at all
[22:06:06] <Simetrical>	The p-lang id is a part of the interface.
[22:06:15] <mindrones>	ah ok
[22:06:22] <Simetrical>	Yes, but there *is* *no* "p-lang" anywhere in the text of the main page.  So you'd have to look at the interface too.
[22:06:24] <mindrones>	Simetrical and why not search only for explicit anchors?
[22:06:26] <Simetrical>	Which can change for different users.
[22:06:27] <Simetrical>	Etc.
[22:06:39] <mindrones>	<a>
[22:06:45] <Simetrical>	Because then you'd falsely highlight [[Main Page#p-lang|look at the Main Page in other languages!]] as nonexistent.
[22:06:55] <Simetrical>	Oh, you mean <a>? That doesn't help.
[22:07:09] <Simetrical>	For the same reason.
[22:07:13] <mindrones>	wiki doesn't put <a>s in the page?
[22:08:16] <Simetrical>	It doesn't matter.  [[Main Page#p-lang]] is a valid link and cannot correctly be flagged as nonexistent.
[22:08:18] <mindrones>	like <a name="top" id="top"></a>
[22:08:29] <Simetrical>	So you have to look at id's.
[22:08:51] <mindrones>	maybe :) I'm not a dev but I know the feature would help :)
[22:09:39] <mindrones>	because tou see the wrong link even just anchors, then the how is mysterious to me :)
[22:09:42] <mindrones>	you*
[22:09:57] <Simetrical>	I am a dev and I know the feature is unreasonable to implement.
[22:10:04] <Simetrical>	For the reasons I explained.
[22:10:19] <mindrones>	:) I know the feeling, I am in blender chat, it's the same sometimes :)
[22:10:43] <mindrones>	Simetrical but many thanks for answering 
[22:12:23] <Multichil>	Hi guys, i seem to have the "Upload a file from a URL address (upload_by_url)" right. But how do i use it ;-)
[22:13:20] <Subfader>	you can upload file snot only from your local machine but via entering a URL
[22:13:45] <Subfader>	you should see an input for that on Special:Upload
[22:14:24] <Multichil>	http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Upload <- hmm, might be the javascript?
[22:16:08] <CIA-60>	03nad * r47995 10/trunk/extensions/RecordAdmin/RecordAdmin.i18n.php: update recordadmin-categoryempty message
[22:16:19] <Ladonna>	Yes, Commons has a love affair with JavaScript.
[22:16:28] <Ladonna>	I've yet to figure out why.
[22:17:06] <brion>	Multichil: your wiki or our wiki?
[22:17:09] <flyingparchment>	because they're too lazy to fix the software
[22:17:14] <brion>	if our wiki, you can't because it doesn't work at present
[22:17:26] <^demon>	flyingparchment: Commons is lazy or devs are lazy?
[22:17:31] <Multichil>	brion : Commons. 
[22:17:43] <brion>	Multichil: it's not enabled at present
[22:17:53] <Multichil>	Ok. That makes sense :)
[22:18:06] <Multichil>	http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListGroupRights <- just taking a look at this list 
[22:18:08] <flyingparchment>	^demon: i mean that commons people should fix MW instead of adding loads of JS
[22:18:32] <^demon>	flyingparchment: Hehe :)
[22:18:48] <Ladonna>	Indeed. A simple extension could replace the JS nightmare.
[22:19:35] <Multichil>	Ladonna : That would be nice. 
[22:19:54] *Ladonna 	volunteers ^demon and then hides.
[22:20:52] <mitixi>	still setting up sphinx. This SQL sql_query	= SELECT page_id, page_title, page_namespace, old_id, old_text FROM wiki_page, wiki_revision, wiki_text WHERE rev_id=page_latest AND old_id=rev_text_id      using DBPrefix = wiki, returns and error  indexing index 'wiki_main'...
[22:20:52] <mitixi>	ERROR: index 'wiki_main': sql_query: Table 'DBname.wiki_page' doesn't exist (
[22:20:52] <mitixi>	DSN=mysql://DBuser:***@localhost:3306/DBname). Any idea?
[22:21:48] <brion>	mitixi: sounds like the table wiki_page doesn't exist
[22:21:49] <Simetrical>	mitixi, well, does the table exist?  Are you sure the DB name and the prefix are correct?
[22:22:13] <^demon>	Ladonna: You'd better hide ;-)
[22:22:22] <CIA-60>	03nad * r47996 10/trunk/extensions/RecordAdmin/RecordAdmin.i18n.php: add new recordadmin-createtype message
[22:23:20] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Users can be renamed to usernames forbidden on creation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17282  +comment (10brion)
[22:25:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Users can be renamed to usernames forbidden on creation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17282  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[22:25:43] <Ladonna>	Mike beat me to it.
[22:25:48] <Ladonna>	Yes, a warning would be nice.
[22:27:19] <Multichil>	btw, it's a damn shame that the duplicate file warning was removed in the recent update.
[22:27:55] <Ladonna>	It was?
[22:28:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Users can be renamed to usernames forbidden on creation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17282  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[22:29:18] <Multichil>	Ladonna : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Shareduploadduplicate
[22:29:26] <OverlordQ>	!uploads
[22:29:26] --mwbot--	File uploads are an often-used feature of MediaWiki, but are disabled by default in all current release versions. To enable them, first make the upload directory (default images) writable by PHP, then set $wgEnableUploads to true in LocalSettings.php (i.e. "$wgEnableUploads = true;"). See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads> for more info. 
[22:29:28] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Special page to list missing files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6220  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[22:29:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New special page listing missing files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13702  (10innocentkiller)
[22:29:47] <^demon>	Multichil: They weren't removed. The ImagePage was redone a bit to remove redundant info.
[22:29:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[22:30:46] <^demon>	Multichil: The 'shareduploadduplicate' message was deprecated, but the info is still on the page itself :)
[22:31:36] <Multichil>	^demon : Yeah, hidden somewhere at the bottom. This was a feauture which was used *a lot*
[22:31:58] <^demon>	Multichil: It's not hidden. It's consolidated :D
[22:32:21] <Multichil>	^demon : You probably never moved stuff from a wikipedia to Commons?
[22:33:15] <^demon>	I've deleted files that were previously moved.
[22:34:57] <Multichil>	The current way is very anoying because you can't see at once if the filename is the same
[22:35:52] <stwalkerster>	Hi folks! Is it possible to redirect a user to a different page when they login, such as [[Special:MyPage/Desk]], instead of back to the page they came from?
[22:36:08] <MinuteElectron>	not really
[22:36:08] <^demon>	Multichil: I suppose :-\
[22:36:27] <Multichil>	You should have just left it in and made it hidden by default
[22:38:30] <Multichil>	If MediaWiki:Shareduploadduplicate is set -> display huge banner, else -> display nothing
[22:38:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Users can be renamed to usernames forbidden on creation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17282  (10dhnguyen)
[22:38:59] <CIA-60>	03river * r47997 10/trunk/tools/ts-specs/ (4 files in 2 dirs): TSdjvulibre, TSjasper: new specs
[22:39:01] <^demon>	Multichil: Huge banner is enwiki invention. Default was a single line of text.
[22:39:26] <brion>	AaronSchulz: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/47469#c1915 <- quickie fix? :)
[22:40:06] *AaronSchulz 	eats his cold pizza
[22:40:33] <brion>	mmmmm, breakfast of champions
[22:41:49] <^demon>	Pizza Hut's order online fails during inclement weather.
[22:41:58] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Consider removing superfluous wrapping div tag in sidebar search form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17777 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[22:42:11] <^demon>	Papa John's told me the local location was closed due to weather conditions, but Pizza Hut let me order anyway.
[22:42:19] <^demon>	(Even though the location was in fact closed)
[22:42:22] <brion>	heh
[22:42:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Consider removing superfluous wrapping div tag in sidebar search form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17777  15enhancement->trivial; normal->lowest (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[22:43:54] <brion>	<b>Notice</b>:  Undefined index:  type in <b>/Library/WebServer/Documents/trunk/extensions/OggHandler/OggHandler_body.php</b> on line <b>326</b><br />
[22:45:34] <Multichil>	^demon : I know.
[22:46:55] <Multichil>	Would be nice if you could somehow correct it
[22:47:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Book tool is dead - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17624  +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[22:49:54] <brion>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/47473#c1916
[22:52:19] <^demon>	brion: Blargh :-\
[22:53:26] <AaronSchulz>	brion: looking at moves
[22:55:37] <^demon>	Multichil: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/File:Funky_dupe_markings.png - ideas of how else to clean this up?
[22:56:30] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r47998 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (Title.php specials/SpecialMovepage.php): Add mw-redirect class to subpage links as needed
[22:57:55] <Multichil>	Let's see. Make the first message optional and empty by default.
[22:58:46] <luna6>	hello I am trying to place a script via a template on my article pages (<script  src="http://tag.contextweb.com/TagPublish/getjs.aspx?action=VIEWAD&cwrun=200&cwadformat=728X90&cwpid=513618&cwwidth=728&cwheight=90&cwpnet=1&cwtagid=51699"></script>) ... but it comes out as text...whats the secret to get it running correcty?
[23:01:21] <brion>	sweeeeeet.... http://www.igvita.com/2009/03/03/collaborative-map-reduce-in-the-browser/
[23:01:35] <werdnum>	morning all
[23:01:45] <brion>	morning werdnum 
[23:02:45] <werdnum>	brion: that's pretty sweet
[23:02:48] <luna6>	werdnum is it possible to place a script like the one i posted above into an article page via template or do i have to place it into the skin itself?
[23:02:50] <tomaszf>	morning
[23:03:07] <werdnum>	luna6: you can't put it in the page itself for security reasons
[23:03:24] <luna6>	ok go with the skin route
[23:03:25] <werdnum>	need to put it directly in the skin, or import it using document.write() in the site js
[23:03:29] <chuck>	brion: that's pretty cool
[23:03:30] <werdnum>	hey tomaszf 
[23:03:36] <chuck>	and it uses ruby+sinatra <3
[23:04:40] <Multichil>	^demon : Or you could at least mention the fact that the duplicate file has the same name somewhere.
[23:05:32] <Multichil>	Enwp seems to have about 13451 dupes with the same name so some attention would be nice ;-)
[23:05:43] <werdnum>	ew, ruby :P
[23:05:57] <chuck>	:'(
[23:08:36] <^demon>	Multichil: Blahhhhhhhh :-\
[23:13:19] <chuck>	brion: have you tried that code out? is the javascript working for you?
[23:13:24] <chuck>	safari is throwing some errors
[23:15:33] <brion>	chuck: nope, just sounded cool :D
[23:15:42] <chuck>	oh :P
[23:16:05] <chuck>	i think I might clean that code up a bit, it's kind of weird, after the job queue runs out, you have to restart the server for it to pick up any new jobs
[23:16:34] <werdnum>	Now there's an idea.
[23:16:42] <werdnum>	Let's reimplement the MediaWiki parser in javascript
[23:16:51] <werdnum>	then we can push out link updates to clients
[23:16:56] <werdnum>	none of this gearmand nonsense
[23:16:59] <brion>	p2p js grid computing
[23:19:12] <werdnum>	Hey, we can use it for image thumbnailing.
[23:19:22] <chuck>	can you thumbnail images using javascript? O_o
[23:19:23] <werdnum>	is there a js implementation of imagemagick?
[23:19:27] <chuck>	lol :P
[23:19:36] <Subfader>	I want to overide linker and for a certain use I want to remoxe the prefix from $text. I can't get it working using wfEscapeWikiText?
[23:20:06] <Subfader>	link actually
[23:22:08] <werdnum>	What are you trying to do?
[23:24:03] <parutron>	all over.
[23:24:16] *werdnum 	eyes parutron 
[23:29:07] <Subfader>	i want to change the layout for page links to mp3 files
[23:29:28] <Subfader>	need to pass $text without the File: prefix
[23:29:39] <^demon>	Do we have a generic "flatten array and preserve the keys" function somewhere?
[23:29:46] <Subfader>	Title::makeTitleSafe also won't work.
[23:31:10] <CIA-60>	03river * r47999 10/trunk/tools/ts-specs/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
[23:31:10] <CIA-60>	TSlcms: new spec
[23:31:10] <CIA-60>	Tspkgconfig: new spec
[23:31:10] <CIA-60>	TSpcre: glib requires --enable-unicode-properties
[23:36:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Search unwatched pages like deleted pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16406  -easy ; +comment (10innocentkiller)
[23:40:32] <AaronSchulz>	brion: password reset log? where did that one come from?
[23:42:17] <Charitwo>	magic
[23:43:46] <OverlordQ>	hurm, this is a new one
[23:43:50] <OverlordQ>	Parse error: syntax error, unexpected ')', expecting T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM
[23:44:36] <flyingparchment>	OverlordQ: paamayim nekudotayim is hebrew for double colon
[23:45:14] <OverlordQ>	aaah . . . odder, I dunno why that line needs colons
[23:45:20] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Garbage shown when MediaWiki:Catseparator = MediaWiki:Pipe-separator - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17778 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (bugzilla.wikimedia)
[23:45:49] <CIA-60>	03nad * r48000 10/trunk/extensions/RecordAdmin/ (RecordAdmin.i18n.php RecordAdmin_body.php): Add form inputs to create new record type
[23:46:11] <luna6>	is there code via the skin where I can tell it not to show ads on login pages or special pages? (I placed an ad directly into the skin)
[23:46:14] <FunPika>	then post the code so we can point out where it needs the colon ;)
[23:46:21] <OverlordQ>	:P
[23:46:48] <OverlordQ>	I found it, debugging code, forgot I left something unfinished after the return
[23:47:31] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r48001 10/trunk/phase3/ (includes/LogEventsList.php languages/messages/MessagesEn.php): 
[23:47:31] <CIA-60>	* Only show private logs on specific request
[23:47:31] <CIA-60>	* Tweak suppress log header to be more like oversight
[23:47:33] <OverlordQ>	actually that wasn't it
[23:47:39] <OverlordQ>	I forgot a $ infront of a variable