[00:04:18] <SilentPenguin>	would at least tell us that the frame is causing it though
[00:09:51] <SilentPenguin>	well, i set the variable to true and it didnt work, i forget, do i need to purge something?
[00:20:58] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r48073 10/trunk/phase3/includes/parser/Preprocessor_DOM.php: fix profiling
[00:27:56] <CIA-60>	03dale * r48074 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/mv_embed/ (cortado_iframe.php libEmbedObj/mv_javaEmbed.js): some more fixes for java IE vs Firefox
[00:38:42] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r48075 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedArticle.php: no need to run maybeUpdateMainCache() on purge
[00:42:19] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r48076 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedArticle.php: Improved setPageContent() check order
[00:47:30] <brion>	AaronSchulz: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/47930 <- is marked 'resolved'. what rev fixed those issues? there doesn't seem to be another edit to that special
[00:47:59] <AaronSchulz>	the next rev, r47931
[00:49:10] <brion>	ah i see, those are other files
[00:49:16] <brion>	ok to update just the one file for now?
[00:50:02] <werdnum>	who me?
[00:50:13] <werdnum>	just that revision should be fine.
[00:50:30] <werdnum>	I don't know about any other changes to that file
[01:02:16] <rohieb>	is there any "official" folder for cached data in the mediawiki tree? e.g I'm writing an extension which downloads files, parses them, and puts the results into the wiki page. or should I use something like /tmp for caching?
[01:03:59] <Ladonna>	Splarka: I've decided to wait on the numberincategory bug until Roan acts on the other bug.
[01:12:33] <rohieb>	oh, I think $wgTmpDirectory will do... :-)
[01:14:19] <rohieb>	thanks for your attention though ;-)
[01:14:20] <werdnum>	rohieb: we store stuff that we care about in serialized/ and stuff that we don't in /tmp
[01:16:15] <rohieb>	werdnum: okay, then I'm going to use serialized/
[01:16:21] <rohieb>	thanks 
[01:16:33] <werdnum>	As in, stuff that needs to be kept semi-long-term
[01:16:54] <rohieb>	yes, I think it is
[01:17:20] <rohieb>	it's about the Release files in a Debian repo
[01:19:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CategoryTree degrades poorly on IE/Mac - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7862  (10brion)
[01:20:33] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Thumbs in cached content render incorrectly with current style sheets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8326  +comment (10brion)
[01:20:56] <RonK>	Could someone tell me where Session UserID is set?
[01:21:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wikibugs gets confused by bugs with non-ASCII chars in summary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9995  (10brion)
[01:23:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CategoryTree degrades poorly on IE/Mac - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7862  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[01:23:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable image renaming on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15842   +shell; summary; +comment (10brion)
[01:23:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Tracking bug (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2007  (10brion)
[01:24:26] <CIA-60>	03shinjiman * r48077 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): Localisation updates Cantonese, Chinese and Literary Chinese
[01:25:07] <werdnum>	literary chinese?
[01:25:19] *werdnum 	starts "literary english"
[01:25:33] <irregardless>	is that like the opposite of simple?
[01:25:37] <rohieb>	why not, we already have "simple english" ;)
[01:25:45] <werdnum>	'tog-watchdefault'            => 'Add pages I edit to my watchlist',
[01:26:08] <werdnum>	"Append articles which I modify to the list of pages in which I a interested"
[01:26:33] <werdnum>	3'dberr-problems'    => 'Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties.',
[01:26:34] <Simetrical>	"that", not "which".  Literary English must conform to arbitrary prescriptivist grammatical rules!
[01:26:52] <Simetrical>	Well, the first "which" should be "that".
[01:28:33] <p858snake>	hmm it would be cool if i could access my watchlist without being logged in, although thats something that will never happen
[01:29:32] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) [edit] links appear in printable version when copied into a document - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17810  +comment (10brion)
[01:29:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) [edit] should not occure in printable version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11213  +comment (10brion)
[01:29:34] <Prodego>	p858snake: so {{resolved}}
[01:29:56] *irregardless 	resolves Prodego
[01:29:58] <Splarka>	'dberr-problems' => Please accept our sincerest apologies at your inability to access this resource on our typically expedient service. There is now, and possibly has been, and may continue to be, ongoing technological errors resulting in an inavailability of resources to which you appear interested in accessing at this time.
[01:30:16] <Splarka>	-Love, department of verbose redundancy department. Pedant corrections to follow
[01:31:24] <slithytove2006>	u guys are wierd
[01:32:33] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) [edit] section links in printable version interfere with cut-and-paste of article text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11213  summary; +comment (10brion)
[01:33:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) [edit] section links in printable version interfere with cut-and-paste of article text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11213  +comment (10brion)
[01:33:22] <Ladonna>	What's the purpose of hideuser? Can't you just rename?
[01:33:45] <brion>	Ladonna: in practice it may well not be used very much.
[01:34:15] <Ladonna>	The concept of hiding things rather than addressing them bothers me (sweeping the dirt under the rug).
[01:34:17] *Ladonna 	shrugs.
[01:34:22] <werdnum>	The stewards like hiding accounts
[01:34:32] <werdnum>	they also want globally hidden accounts to be hidden locally too
[01:34:34] <werdnum>	maybe I can do that too
[01:34:39] <p858snake>	why are the edit links even shown on the printable version?
[01:35:25] <brion>	p858snake: they're not
[01:35:29] <Splarka>	.editsection {display: none;} in commonPrint.css
[01:35:40] <brion>	they are in the html because they're in the html always :)
[01:35:45] <brion>	"printable mode" is just a stylesheet
[01:36:33] <p858snake>	i know that, but when i've copied from a page with contents i've hidden in a stylesheet i've never had issues with it comming over
[01:36:48] <Splarka>	ya sure? what browser?
[01:37:05] <Splarka>	{display:none;} doesn't hide text from copy-paste in mozilla/FF
[01:37:06] <Ladonna>	http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Manual:Dynamic_dates&diff=237341&oldid=237340
[01:37:32] <p858snake>	firefox and *shudder* IE6/7 (at school)
[01:37:50] <Splarka>	then that is a quorum, so it is a feature
[01:37:50] <werdnum>	bah, the game
[01:38:16] <Splarka>	the rule being: don't copy-paste printable, that isn't what it is for
[01:39:04] *Splarka 	waits for CSS4 draft media="clipboard"
[01:39:16] <werdnum>	haha
[01:40:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) wpSpamRegex entry for large image tables - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15063  (10brion)
[01:40:33] <p858snake>	i just copy and paste webpages and then use "paste special -> unformatted" in word when i want to "cheat" >.>
[01:41:08] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r48078 10/trunk/phase3/includes/LinksUpdate.php: fix profiling
[01:41:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) wpSpamRegex entry for large image tables - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15063  +comment (10Andrew)
[01:42:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Upload form should prevent submission of filename with disallowed extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16414  +comment (10brion)
[01:44:05] <Splarka>	bah, that's just enhanced gravy brion, add some functionality instead
[01:44:14] <Splarka>	like https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16437
[01:45:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Safari 3.1 <video> element fails to play ogg without XiphQT components installed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13421  (10brion)
[01:46:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Set $wgRestrictDisplayTitle to False on Chinese Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16427  (10brion)
[01:47:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) GIF scaling limit should be applied to animated GIFs only - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16451  +comment (10brion)
[01:50:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) [edit] section links in printable version interfere with cut-and-paste of article text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11213  (10kevinjduke)
[01:51:39] <porter1>	Does anyone know how I go about changing the edit textbox size?
[01:52:40] <Splarka>	#wpTextbox1 {width: ; height: ;}
[01:52:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Safari 3.1 <video> element fails to play ogg without XiphQT components installed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13421  (10gmaxwell)
[01:53:23] <porter1>	Ah, ok. I was thinking I needed to change row and cols. Thanks Splarka
[01:53:28] <Merlissimo>	is it possible to get a list of subpages via api? i couln't find anything like subpage, prefix in the howto
[01:53:38] <Splarka>	#wpTextbox1 {width: 100%; height: 50em;}
[01:53:45] <Splarka>	heh
[01:53:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Absurdly large syslog sometimes fills Apache / partitions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17594  +comment (10brion)
[01:53:55] <Splarka>	Merlissimo: Simetrical and MZMcBride will stab me of course
[01:54:03] *werdnum 	stabs Splarka 
[01:54:16] <Splarka>	him too
[01:54:18] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=parse&text={{Special:Prefixindex/User:Splarka/}}
[01:54:34] <Splarka>	haha, watch it burn you!
[01:54:46] <Splarka>	but seriously
[01:54:53] <Splarka>	list=allpages&apprefix
[01:54:56] <Merlissimo>	oh my god ...
[01:55:21] <Merlissimo>	ah thx
[01:55:24] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=allpages&apnamespace=2&apprefix=Splarka
[01:56:11] <Merlissimo>	Splarka thx, too late ;-)
[01:56:25] <Splarka>	why? you used {{Prefixindex}} ?
[01:57:22] <Merlissimo>	of course not
[01:58:04] <Splarka>	brion: some anim gifs are sweet and harmless, maybe you could have a $wgMaxAnimatedGifFrames ? ^_^
[01:58:47] <brion>	perhaps
[01:58:49] <Splarka>	or some needlessly annoyingly complex logic settings related to frames, area, transparency, and how much you like the uploader
[01:58:55] <brion>	hehehe
[01:59:12] <Splarka>	$wgMaxAnimatedGifIfUserSendsMeChristmasCards
[02:01:49] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r48079 10/trunk/tools/wikibugs/wikibugs: Teach wikibugs about quoted-printable
[02:02:36] <irregardless>	[01:54:13] <Splarka> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=parse&text={{Special:Prefixindex/User:Splarka/}}
[02:02:38] <irregardless>	lol
[02:03:32] *Splarka 	whistles
[02:04:11] <Splarka>	not needed for that, but is the only way to get pages in category, or pages in namespace, or users in group, etc
[02:04:35] <Splarka>	without brute query-continue, of course
[02:04:45] <Ladonna>	You're a query-continue.
[02:04:53] <irregardless>	though that would be more accurate for pages in category
[02:05:07] <werdnum>	your face is a query-continue
[02:05:08] *Ladonna 	points to the bug about Special:Purge.
[02:05:27] <Ladonna>	A simple COUNT(*) refresh isn't too hard to implement, no?
[02:05:31] *irregardless 	purges all over Ladonna
[02:05:39] <werdnum>	o-o
[02:06:07] <irregardless>	Ladonna: well, ideally, the counts wouldn't get screwed up in the first place
[02:06:10] <Splarka>	well, then a bot could do, say, 5 query-continues at limit=5000, and then give up and action=parse cheat
[02:06:25] <irregardless>	that sounds like something werdnum should fix
[02:06:31] <werdnum>	eeeeee
[02:06:31] <Splarka>	is the nick "begsthequestion" taken?
[02:06:49] <ifoxx>	hmm
[02:06:51] <ifoxx>	hello
[02:06:56] <irregardless>	[02:06:42] NickServ [NickServ@services.]: begsthequestion is not registered.
[02:07:16] <Ladonna>	irregardless: Ideally.
[02:07:22] <Ladonna>	Irdeally.
[02:07:47] <irregardless>	Ladonna: ideally it should be fixed, or ideally werdnum should fix it?
[02:08:11] *Splarka 	wonders if apostrophe`s would annoy MZM
[02:08:22] <ifoxx>	ircs confuse me...
[02:08:24] <Splarka>	(using a grave accent of course)
[02:08:27] <Ladonna>	In an ideal world, the counts should update appropriately, a page should exist to purge rows appropriately, and werdnum would be fixed.
[02:08:45] <Splarka>	nah, we want more of him
[02:08:53] <Ladonna>	We do?
[02:09:03] <ifoxx>	I am ultimately confused.
[02:10:02] <ifoxx>	why are there so many people here but no one talking?
[02:10:17] <Splarka>	Ladonna: positive eugenics, since you can't sterilize poor people or kill them outright anymore
[02:10:22] <p858snake>	differnt timezones
[02:10:37] <ifoxx>	but they're online?
[02:10:58] <Ladonna>	Where is here?
[02:11:03] <p858snake>	they leave their computers connected
[02:11:13] <ifoxx>	strange...
[02:11:36] <Splarka>	ifoxx: it is typical of an IRC channel
[02:11:49] <ifoxx>	ah
[02:11:58] <Ladonna>	Some people pride themselves on long connection times.
[02:12:26] <Splarka>	pretend IRC is a combination of an instant messenger, and ICQ
[02:12:35] <ifoxx>	ah
[02:12:36] <Splarka>	the functionality it has always provided has become specialized
[02:13:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Rename 'os'=?UTF-8?Q?=20Wikipedia=20namespace=20to=20=D0=92=D0=B8=D0=BA=D0=B8=D0=BF=D0=B5=D0=B4=D0=B8?=, the actually used prefix - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17776  (10Andrew)
[02:13:23] <werdna>	baaaah
[02:13:28] <werdna>	did you restart it?
[02:13:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Broken links with question-mark formatting fails on MSIE 7 and below - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2596  summary; +comment (10brion)
[02:13:41] <irregardless>	werdna: did you just make it worse?
[02:13:50] <werdna>	no
[02:13:55] <brion>	werdna: nothing to restart; the script is run each time when receiving an email
[02:14:05] <werdna>	brion: oh, yeah.
[02:14:07] <werdna>	hm.
[02:14:15] <brion>	aboostani: i assigned you a couple bugs :)
[02:14:31] <werdna>	Is it definitely the updated version?
[02:14:35] <brion>	werdna: can you check if that mail is actually using the content-transfer heading?
[02:14:46] <brion>	i'm not sure the subject and the body technically have to be the same in this regard :)
[02:15:00] *aboostani 	hopes that he is smart enough to fix them
[02:15:05] <werdna>	The one I got did
[02:15:23] <werdna>	"Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable"
[02:15:42] <brion>	mine doesn't
[02:15:57] <brion>	maybe gmail is munging them :P
[02:16:08] <werdna>	maybe. I'm thinking specifically of the one I got for a different change
[02:16:14] <werdna>	because... I don't get mails for changes I do
[02:16:20] <brion>	mebbe look for =? in the string?
[02:16:29] <brion>	or does the lib have a function that checks for that stuff?
[02:16:58] <werdna>	http://search.cpan.org/~gaas/MIME-Base64-3.07/QuotedPrint.pm
[02:17:01] <werdna>	doesn't look for it
[02:17:06] <brion>	yeah, this particular one the *body* didn't contain any non-ascii chars so it got sent plain
[02:17:07] <werdna>	look like it*
[02:17:12] <werdna>	ahhh
[02:17:18] <werdna>	bah
[02:17:26] <brion>	so you need to look just at the subject
[02:17:51] <brion>	if you just always run it through it's probably safe actually
[02:18:48] <werdna>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quoted-printable
[02:19:30] <brion>	what about mails with "=" in the subject? they probably get quoted too
[02:19:31] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r48080 10/trunk/tools/wikibugs/wikibugs: ALWAYS run quoted-printable decoding
[02:19:36] <brion>	\o/
[02:20:22] <brion>	hmmmmm
[02:20:25] <brion>	that'll do the whole mail?
[02:20:30] <brion>	_probably_ safe
[02:20:31] <werdna>	yeah
[02:20:34] <brion>	:D
[02:22:12] <wikibugs>	03(CLOSED) Rename 'os'=?UTF-8?Q? Wikipedia namespace to Википеди?=, the actually used prefix - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id776  (10Andrew)
[02:22:29] <brion>	hmmmm
[02:22:29] <werdna>	Weird.
[02:22:30] <brion>	better
[02:22:35] <brion>	but still a little funky :D
[02:22:57] <werdna>	I'm assuming the =?UTF-8?Q? is for something else
[02:23:10] <brion>	ahhhh
[02:23:12] <brion>	you know what
[02:23:16] <werdna>	no
[02:23:21] <werdna>	but I suspect I'm about to be told
[02:23:28] <brion>	i bet the =?UTF-8?....?= is just header/footer specifying what bit is quoted-printable
[02:23:42] <TimStarling>	you know, there are RFCs where you can read about this sort of thing
[02:23:46] <brion>	:D
[02:23:53] <TimStarling>	it would just tell you, and you wouldn't have to guess
[02:23:56] <brion>	i'm gonna revert the live copy for the moment
[02:23:57] <brion>	hehe
[02:24:07] <brion>	actually there's a perl module for just parsing the damn mail i bet
[02:24:13] <brion>	in which case we don't have to do as much manually :D
[02:24:19] <werdna>	there's a perl module for everything
[02:24:40] <brion>	perl -mCPAN install 'MediaWiki::faster'
[02:24:50] <werdna>	you mean -MCPAN :P
[02:25:08] <brion>	perl -mCPAN install 'DWIM'
[02:25:26] <werdna>	Isn't that Perl in general?
[02:25:42] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r48081 10/trunk/phase3/includes/parser/Parser.php: style/profiling tweaks
[02:25:55] <TimStarling>	OTRS's EmailParser.pm is 1200 lines
[02:26:14] <werdna>	http://search.cpan.org/search?query=Email+parse&mode=all
[02:26:30] <brion>	ok i'm gonna head out for now, it's dinner time
[02:26:38] <werdna>	goodnight brion
[02:32:25] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Global filters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17811 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: AbuseFilter; (mikelifeguard)
[02:32:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) wpSpamRegex entry for large image tables - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15063  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[02:33:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Global filters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17811  (10mikelifeguard)
[02:55:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Thumbnail rendering of SVGs broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8566  +comment (10jnv11)
[03:18:59] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Alias of 'Wikipedia' namespace in Chinese Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17701  +comment (10skjackey.tse)
[03:22:51] <fgiusti>	I think I find a bug in the mediawiki diff engine, I took only the diff engine to use in my app, so my question is, there is an easy way to confirm the bug? should I create a "probably" bug report?
[03:23:41] <Mike_lifeguard>	do you have a test case?
[03:24:00] <Mike_lifeguard>	alternatively, you can search bugzilla and see if it's been reported before
[03:24:06] <Mike_lifeguard>	if not then yes, you should file a bug
[03:27:02] <fgiusti>	I have the unit test case of my app, if I don't find a similar in bugzilla (until now I just found high level bugs of the diff engine), should I simplify the code than report a bug?
[03:31:39] <Mike_lifeguard>	Sure. The programmers love minimal test cases
[03:32:29] <Splarka>	might help to describe it here first, conversationally
[03:32:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Abnormal URL or Bad Web-Crawler (Spider) , make to High CPU loading? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17779  (10playercd8)
[03:40:44] <fgiusti>	If think that's enough to describe the bug http://rafb.net/p/4B2oTw89.html
[03:42:44] <porter1>	Can we remove the [edit] links from certain headers?
[03:43:10] <porter1>	Or, say, ones of a cretain level?
[03:43:21] <Splarka>	porter1: you can make them html headers, <h2>foo</h2> for example
[03:43:29] <Splarka>	but then they will not delimit sections
[03:43:46] <porter1>	Ah, ok, that's what I had it as. I guess I'll levae them that way. Thaks again.
[03:44:05] <Splarka>	if they work as section delimiters, they're all editable (unless they all aren't)
[03:44:27] <Splarka>	hmm
[03:44:34] <Splarka>	if you just want to hide certain depths though
[03:44:54] <porter1>	No, I wa just porting stuff over from an old wiki
[03:45:01] <porter1>	And things are messy
[03:45:07] <Splarka>	porter1: you could do css: h3 .editsection, h4 .editsection, h5 .editsection, h6 .editsection, {display:none;}
[03:45:13] <porter1>	Oh
[03:45:32] <Splarka>	(hacky, but an idea)
[03:46:26] <porter1>	I'll keep that in mind. I just keep checking the classes and id's in firebug. Very useful.
[03:46:42] *ST47 	wonders if roan is around under some username that doesn't start with roan
[03:47:11] <werdnum>	catrope
[03:47:13] <werdnum>	but he isn't on now
[03:47:25] <ST47>	k
[03:47:30] <ST47>	Will bug him some other time
[03:47:42] <Splarka>	you need something in the API?
[03:47:56] *Splarka 	motions ST47 to the back alley where he does his API blackmarket dealings
[03:48:13] <ST47>	:)
[03:48:25] <ST47>	Just wanted to know if there was any talk about API uploads
[03:48:29] <Splarka>	I've got Special:NewFiles, I've got category members..
[03:48:31] <Splarka>	ahh
[03:48:34] <ST47>	There's a bot request on enwiki that's sort of stalled
[03:48:47] <Splarka>	well, the bot could use the API, and POST to the UI
[03:49:07] <ST47>	(And I'd do it if I knew anything at all about http file transfers. Or the api, for that matter.0
[03:49:10] <ST47>	)
[03:50:00] <werdnum>	ST47: Michael Dale is working on them
[03:50:07] <ST47>	k
[03:50:14] <ST47>	I'll have bribery arranged.
[03:51:46] <fgiusti>	Thanks Mike_lifeguard and Splarka, I will report the bug and keep on eye on it, so I can support who will look at it.
[03:54:01] <Splarka>	fgiusti: is that test on the literal wikicode or the post-parse html?
[03:55:17] <Splarka>	I mean, was it <p>teste</p><p><b>I came from the pampas</b></p> or teste\n\n'''I came from the pampas'''
[03:56:38] <fgiusti>	no newlines
[03:56:47] <fgiusti>	and if i understood your question, literal wikicode
[03:56:52] <Splarka>	k
[03:57:41] <Splarka>	because usually one sees the html escaped...
[03:57:53] <Splarka>	&lt;p&gt;teste&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;<span class="diffchange">I came from the pampas</span>&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
[03:59:28] <fgiusti>	can be that i'm using directly the HTMLDiffer class on my app? So it's not escaping?
[03:59:37] <fgiusti>	if you just adjust the paths of the "requires" you should be able to run the unit test with phpunit
[04:03:24] <Splarka>	dunno, all greek to me, but you might wanna talk to someone with smarts in the area first, is what I mean
[04:03:43] *Splarka 	puts a quarter in werdnum and winds him up
[04:03:46] <werdnum>	It's all geek to me
[04:03:51] *werdnum 	hides
[04:03:57] <Splarka>	see if he's using the diff engine right
[04:05:17] <Splarka>	oh, I think I see it...
[04:05:18] <Splarka>	<p>teste<b><span class="diff-html-removed" id="removed-htmldiff-0">I came from the pampas</span></b></p><p><b><span class="diff-html-added" id="added-htmldiff-0">And Im a jedi!</span></b></p>
[04:05:29] <werdnum>	You're using the HTML diff algorithm, not the one we usually use
[04:05:36] <Splarka>	right, the visual diff comparison
[04:05:44] <Splarka>	fgiusti: http://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sandbox&htmldiff=Visual+comparison&diff=68746&oldid=68745
[04:07:39] <fgiusti>	It's wrong on the visual diff comparison, both removed and added sentences should be on the second p tag
[04:08:29] <Splarka>	so it probably is a bug, since it is very new and barely used yet
[04:09:40] <Ladonna>	&htmldiff=Visual+comparison
[04:09:41] <fgiusti>	:'(
[04:09:42] <Ladonna>	Seriously?
[04:09:54] <fgiusti>	I was hoping I was doing something wrong...
[04:10:08] <Splarka>	Ladonna: that's how html forms work
[04:10:16] <Splarka>	&htmldiff=1 works
[04:10:39] <Splarka>	but the form button is <input type="submit" value="Visual comparison" name="htmldiff" class="historysubmit" accesskey="b" title="See the differences between the two selected versions of this page" />
[04:10:58] <Ladonna>	I thought the software was using it.
[04:11:00] <Splarka>	(small words) and when a mouse cursor and a form submit button love each other very much, they get together...
[04:12:02] <chuck>	are there any extensions that let you create forms that will create pages?
[04:12:30] <Ladonna>	InputBox?
[04:12:39] <Ladonna>	Oh.
[04:12:54] <Ladonna>	Well, InputBox sorta. Depends how automated you want it.
[04:13:01] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Diff failed for minimal test case. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17812 normal; normal; MediaWiki: History/Diffs; (cadastrante)
[04:13:02] <Ladonna>	SemanticMediaWiki, too, sorta?
[04:13:24] <Splarka>	fgiusti: with a click glance, htmldiff is only used on testwiki, en_labswikimedia, and de_labswikimedia
[04:13:29] <Splarka>	so it is very untested and new
[04:13:45] <Splarka>	er ^quick glance, heh
[04:13:52] <Ladonna>	You're a click glance.
[04:13:54] <chuck>	no, InputBox isn't what I want
[04:14:00] <chuck>	I want something that actually has a form
[04:14:12] <Ladonna>	!matrix
[04:14:12] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix
[04:14:15] <Ladonna>	Look there?
[04:14:34] <Splarka>	hmm
[04:15:40] <fgiusti>	Thanks everybody.
[04:15:50] <Splarka>	who wrote visual diffs anyway...
[04:16:00] <werdnum>	SoC student
[04:16:10] <Ladonna>	Really? I thought it was Siebrand.
[04:16:43] <Ladonna>	guyvdb 
[04:26:44] <chuck>	is the second parameter of SpecialPage::__construct only used for the purposes of seeing if it should be displayed in the list of all special pages and stuff?
[05:05:49] <AnonDiss>	Hello. {{expr: {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} + 1}} does not produce April from March or December from November. Is there a different way?
[05:06:18] <AnonDiss>	#expr:*
[05:06:38] <werdnum>	ewww
[05:06:50] <Splarka>	haha
[05:07:02] <werdnum>	look at #time
[05:07:05] <AnonDiss>	Yes, do laugh at my amateur-ness. :D
[05:07:05] <Splarka>	if you have #expr you have ParserFunctions, use #time
[05:07:10] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions#.23time:
[05:07:10] <AnonDiss>	Oh!
[05:07:12] <AnonDiss>	Okay, thanks.
[05:07:18] *werdnum 	wins
[05:07:20] <Splarka>	{{#time:Next month}}
[05:07:34] *Splarka 	makes up for it and scores a technical knockout
[05:07:35] <AnonDiss>	Okay, thank you.
[05:08:46] <Splarka>	hmm
[05:08:58] <Splarka>	{{#time:F|Next month}} would be probably what you want
[05:09:18] <Splarka>	note that strtotime is very anglocentric, but being Australian you almost speak english so that works out
[05:10:24] <CIA-60>	03tstarling * r48082 10/trunk/tools/switch-master/ConfEditor.php: Automated editor for data-only PHP files.
[05:10:45] <VasilievVV>	werdnum: have I told you about problem with the automatic AbuseFilter throttle?
[05:11:01] <werdnum>	VasilievVV: what specifically?
[05:11:23] *Splarka 	was hoping to wind werd up with that comment, poo
[05:11:42] <VasilievVV>	werdnum: is there any way to prevent vandalbots from disabling filter by hammering it?
[05:12:15] <werdnum>	VasilievVV: 1/ The throttle is only active for the first 24 hours after the filter is modified
[05:12:23] <werdnum>	2/ The throttle only disables blocking and other such actions
[05:12:28] <werdnum>	it doesn't disable disallowing
[05:12:34] <VasilievVV>	I see
[05:12:37] <VasilievVV>	Thanks
[05:17:07] <AnonDiss>	{{#time:F{{!}}next month}} doesn't work
[05:17:27] <AnonDiss>	But I need {{!}}
[05:17:50] <TimStarling>	of course it doesn't
[05:18:09] <AnonDiss>	Well, indeed. Is there an alternative?
[05:18:14] <TimStarling>	that's the only point of it, to avoid interpretation of pipes by the preprocessor
[05:18:51] <TimStarling>	you mean is there a way to dynamically generator preprocessor syntax?
[05:19:18] <TimStarling>	{{#time:F {{get the pipe if the moon is full}} next month}} ?
[05:19:25] <Splarka>	wat
[05:19:35] <Splarka>	why do you _need_ {{!}} ?
[05:19:36] <TimStarling>	because the answer to that is no
[05:19:52] <Splarka>	the outer {{}} covers it from other templates, other parserfunctions, and table syntax
[05:19:54] <AnonDiss>	I need to use {{!}} because using an actual pipe will ruin my pf.
[05:20:01] <TimStarling>	no it won't
[05:20:23] <AnonDiss>	Oh. Hang on, you're right.
[05:20:24] <Splarka>	"my pf"...unless you wrote it yourself
[05:20:25] <Splarka>	heh
[05:22:15] <AnonDiss>	Splarka: I think it was clear what I meant.
[05:22:38] <TimStarling>	not really, I just tried to guess
[05:22:45] <TimStarling>	was I right that you meant template?
[05:24:08] <AnonDiss>	What?
[05:24:13] <Splarka>	actually, I don't think it is even possible to screw up covered pipes in custom written parserfunctions
[05:24:53] <Splarka>	{{#badparserfunction:{{#goodparserfunction:foo|bar}} }} the bad one will never have access to that internal pipe due to parse precidence, right>
[05:25:05] <TimStarling>	yes
[05:25:17] <Splarka>	so you only ever need {{!}} for wikitables, still
[05:25:25] <AnonDiss>	Yeah, I see why I was wrong there. 
[05:25:33] <Splarka>	&#124; works for all other cases
[05:25:37] <TimStarling>	assuming #badparserfunction doesn't use SFH_OBJECT_ARGS, then #goodparserfunction is evaluated first
[05:25:38] <Splarka>	well, except one stupid case...
[05:26:04] <TimStarling>	and #badparserfunction just gets its result
[05:26:09] <Splarka>	[[{{{1}}}]] can be delimited twixt link and text with {{template|foo{{!}}bar}} IIRC
[05:26:34] <TimStarling>	yes, because it's main-pass syntax
[05:26:46] <TimStarling>	like tables
[05:26:47] <Splarka>	but other than that, and tables, you don't need {{!}}
[05:26:58] <AnonDiss>	Well, thanks werdnum, Splarka and Tim. Problem solved.
[05:27:03] <Splarka>	yay
[05:27:31] <Splarka>	now we just gotta get ParserFunctions core ^_^
[05:27:31] *Splarka 	hides from Tim's glare
[05:29:08] <Splarka>	I mean there are only 10 of them in the extension, and over 50 in core now
[05:31:39] *werdnum 	adds StringFunctions to core.
[05:32:02] <Splarka>	too late
[05:33:17] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&ns10=1&redirs=0&search=padleft&limit=100&offset=0
[05:34:50] <Splarka>	and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:String_manipulation_templates
[05:36:13] <Splarka>	I mean look at this... http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Strlen&action=edit
[05:37:05] <werdnum>	le sigh
[05:37:22] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Str_find&action=edit   wtf, geez
[05:46:24] <AnonDiss>	I need to subst a template, but have it change based on the date. That's not possible, is it?
[05:46:51] <Splarka>	sure it is, but...
[05:47:03] <AnonDiss>	But?
[05:47:03] <Splarka>	you have to subst everything that template ever subst'd to, and that can be annoying
[05:47:33] <werdnum>	If you subst that template, you're substing every template that template has ever been with
[05:47:55] <Splarka>	{{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>#switch:{{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>CURRENTMONTHNAME}}|January=Foo|February=Bar ... etc
[05:48:10] <AnonDiss>	Oh, right.
[05:48:10] <Splarka>	and it doesn't always work like you expect, but is usually possible with enough <includeonly>subst:</includeonly>
[05:48:32] <Splarka>	there is an open bug for a recursive automated subst magicword
[05:49:00] <Splarka>	like substall: or expandtemplates:
[05:49:00] <Splarka>	note that <includeonly>subst:</includeonly> also works without substing
[05:49:21] <Splarka>	and, there is a very fun hack to detect substing, something like {{#ifeq:{{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>NAMESPACE}}|{{NAMESPACE}}||}}
[05:50:13] <Splarka>	(which itself has to be substed to not appear in the finished product)
[05:51:01] <AnonDiss>	I see.
[05:51:03] <Splarka>	Mediawiki code is fun! (TM)
[05:51:40] <AnonDiss>	So if I use <includeonly>subst:</includeonly>, I can subst the text of a template on one page and have that substd text change based on the date? nifty.
[05:52:20] <Splarka>	in theory
[05:52:36] <AnonDiss>	Have you seen it work?
[05:53:14] <Splarka>	yes and no
[05:54:16] <AnonDiss>	Um.
[06:00:01] <AnonDiss>	Will I need {{{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>1}}} or {{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>#if: }}?
[06:00:46] <Splarka>	this is a very dark path you're going down, I don't think there are any rules
[06:01:37] <Splarka>	<includeonly>subst:</includeonly> works pretty good on magic words (variables), but... on parser functions, eh... it can bite you
[06:01:52] <slithytove2006>	are any of you familiar with apache RewriteRules?
[06:03:33] <p858snake>	you could use a ifeq to inculde it if it mets the cirteria
[06:05:23] <Splarka>	AnonDiss: here is a very basic example :
[06:05:38] <Splarka>	http://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Hammertime&action=edit
[06:06:06] <Splarka>	this substs as a-foo-b 50% of the time and a-bar-b the other 50%
[06:06:33] <Splarka>	note that I've never had much luck substing #switch
[06:06:47] <Prodego>	Splarka: could you file a bug for me
[06:06:49] <AnonDiss>	I see.
[06:06:53] <Splarka>	it usually returns nothing, or only #default
[06:07:20] <Splarka>	Prodego: topic?
[06:07:40] <Prodego>	Splarka: pages created via special:books are not subject to the title blacklist
[06:07:54] <Prodego>	in fact I wonder if they are subject to blocks....
[06:08:33] <Splarka>	Prodego: if I may ask, are you just too lazy to log in or do you not have an account?
[06:08:45] *Splarka 	is too lazy to log in most of the time, but is logged in now
[06:09:06] <Prodego>	Splarka: the former
[06:09:22] <Prodego>	I'll do it
[06:10:07] <Splarka>	k
[06:10:36] <Prodego>	Splarka: major or blocker?
[06:10:39] *Splarka 	notices it has its own component
[06:10:57] <Prodego>	actually probably not either
[06:11:08] <Prodego>	since you can't control the page
[06:11:29] <Splarka>	ein minuten biten
[06:11:48] <Prodego>	what is the name of it... stupid componenet
[06:11:48] <Splarka>	what is Special:Books for?
[06:11:51] <Prodego>	component*
[06:12:16] *Splarka 	gets an error visiting it, no such special page, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist
[06:12:56] <Prodego>	no s
[06:13:09] <Prodego>	Splarka: I don't see a component for it
[06:14:00] <Splarka>	Collection
[06:14:19] <Prodego>	are you sure?
[06:14:26] <Splarka>	nope
[06:14:30] <Splarka>	but...
[06:14:35] <Splarka>	http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:Book
[06:14:39] <Splarka>	links to http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Help:Books
[06:14:44] <Splarka>	links to http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Book_tool
[06:14:50] <Prodego>	you are right
[06:14:51] <Splarka>	calls it > the Collection Extension
[06:15:03] <Splarka>	and the Collection Extension creates that very annoying "book" tool in the sidebar
[06:15:16] <Splarka>	see alsoL
[06:15:17] <Splarka>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&component=Collection&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED
[06:15:30] <Splarka>	make sure it isn't already reported
[06:17:04] <Prodego>	Splarka: can you see if anons can create pages on wikis where they can't
[06:17:32] <AnonDiss>	Currently, if I subst: a template with {{CURRENTDAY}} in it, I get '6'. Is there a way to make it so that I don't get '6', but {{CURRENTDAY}} on the page itself?
[06:18:29] <Splarka>	Prodego: not really, I donno what it does, try it on en.wp? heh
[06:18:33] <Administrator_>	Hello all, I have some more questions. :)  I'm asking about file uploads, what happens if a user uploads a file of the same name?
[06:18:41] <Splarka>	AnonDiss: you mean like <nowiki>{{CURRENTDAY}}</nowiki> ?
[06:18:54] <Prodego>	Splarka: it isn't enabled for anonas
[06:18:56] <Prodego>	anons*
[06:19:32] <AnonDiss>	Splarka: when I subst {{CURRENTDAY}}, I get '6' in the actual text page itself. CURRENTDAY is gone when I save. 
[06:19:43] <AnonDiss>	I want CURRENTDAY to go from the template to the page.
[06:19:46] <Splarka>	well that is what subst does
[06:19:49] <flyingparchment>	AnonDiss: you just changed the question
[06:19:53] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) ages created through Special:Book do not respect user restrictions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17813 major; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Collection; (Prodego)
[06:19:59] <flyingparchment>	AnonDiss: did you subst the template containing currentday, or currentday itself?
[06:20:00] <Prodego>	grrr
[06:20:05] <Prodego>	ages -> Pages
[06:20:15] <Splarka>	Prodego: I don't have the facilities to test that, no
[06:20:26] <Splarka>	you might mistake me for a developer, but really I am just here to annoy the devs
[06:20:28] <AnonDiss>	I subst'd a template containing templates that use currentday.
[06:20:49] <flyingparchment>	and you want just currentday to become substed while everything else stays a template?  unpossible
[06:21:01] <Prodego>	Splarka: I know :)
[06:21:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Pages created through Special:Book do not respect access restrictions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17813  summary (10Prodego)
[06:21:04] <flyingparchment>	(at least without making changes to all the templates in question, not sure it's possible even then though)
[06:21:13] *Splarka 	blinks
[06:21:21] <AnonDiss>	No, you're not seeing my problem, i think. I'll give a link momentarily.
[06:21:26] <Splarka>	well, it works for me
[06:21:31] <Splarka>	a-{{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>#ifeq:{{#expr:{{CURRENTTIMESTAMP}} mod 2}}|0|foo|bar}}-b {{CURRENTDAY}}
[06:21:33] <Splarka>	substed becomes:
[06:21:41] <Splarka>	a-bar-b {{CURRENTDAY}}
[06:22:01] <Splarka>	if you want 6, you use {{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>CURRENTDAY}}
[06:22:10] <Splarka>	if not, you use {{CURRENTDAY}}
[06:22:29] <Splarka>	if you want something in between, I am authorized to stick a sign on your back saying "Stab me"
[06:23:32] <AnonDiss>	Maybe I should try and show you the situation I am in.
[06:23:49] <AnonDiss>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Changing_username/Usurpations/Days/Newday - observe
[06:23:56] <Splarka>	morbo on standby
[06:24:02] <AnonDiss>	Also observe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Changing_username/Usurpations/Days
[06:24:20] <AnonDiss>	When I subst the latter template, I get '6' where I would like CURRENTDAY.
[06:24:30] <Splarka>	arr
[06:24:41] <Splarka>	{{#ifexpr: {{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>CURRENTDAY}} >= {{{1}}}|
[06:24:46] <Splarka>	no... you don't need to subst that
[06:24:53] <Splarka>	you subst the parserfunction, not the test
[06:25:05] <Splarka>	{{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>#ifexpr: {{CURRENTDAY}} >= {{{1}}}|
[06:25:06] <AnonDiss>	The test?
[06:25:25] <AnonDiss>	Do I subst all pfs?
[06:25:29] <Splarka>	{{CURRENTDAY}} will never show even after substing, as it is the test part of the function
[06:25:35] <Splarka>	well, unless you want them to show in the source code
[06:26:17] <Splarka>	can 'o worms
[06:27:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Edit conflict notification on Preview/Show Changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17467  +comment (10brion)
[06:28:56] <Splarka>	so brion just leaves #mediawiki off work hours, but still commits and bugzillas
[06:29:07] <Splarka>	so is IRC his only actual paid profession?
[06:29:14] <AnonDiss>	Splarka: didn't work. Did you see the /Days template? What I'm trying to do here is make it so that, for every new day, a new iteration of /Newday comes up. When it is the seventh, {{Changing_username/Usurpations/Days/Newday|7}} will appear.
[06:29:25] <Prodego>	I could email him
[06:29:52] <Splarka>	AnonDiss: en.wp is not a good place to painstakingly test subst hacks
[06:30:13] <Splarka>	I really really hate subst template construction
[06:36:21] <AnonDiss>	SPlarka: resolved.
[06:36:36] *Splarka 	hides the children from the evil subst
[06:36:37] <AnonDiss>	<noinclude><nowiki></noinclude>
[06:36:48] <Splarka>	hax
[06:36:52] <Splarka>	does that even work?
[06:36:57] <AnonDiss>	Sure does.
[06:36:58] <Splarka>	I thought <nowiki> had a higher precidence
[06:37:03] <Splarka>	ahh well, live and learn
[06:37:17] <Prodego>	Splarka: yes, that does work, one of the mainstays of hacky template stuff
[06:37:18] <AnonDiss>	Thanks for your help though. 
[06:38:21] <CIA-60>	03tstarling * r48083 10/trunk/tools/switch-master/ (MasterSwitcher.php switch.php): New master switch script. Work in progress.
[06:38:51] <Prodego>	that really does sound dangerous
[06:39:52] <TimStarling>	what's the chances of 450 lines of code working first time?
[06:40:11] <AnonDiss>	1/450.
[06:40:12] <AaronSchulz>	does it compile?
[06:40:38] <TimStarling>	yes
[06:40:49] <brion>	that's a good first step :)
[06:41:07] <AaronSchulz>	by, tim, hmm, I'd guess 82%
[06:41:18] <TimStarling>	brion: I just committed a master switch script
[06:41:24] <brion>	\o/
[06:41:25] <brion>	awesome
[06:41:41] <AaronSchulz>	brion: that means 95% of my bug list might be alive again
[06:41:45] <TimStarling>	the ConfEditor class was tested a fair bit, but the master switch part hasn't been run at all
[06:41:48] <brion>	:D
[06:42:05] <AaronSchulz>	brion: codereview is dead though
[06:42:08] <AaronSchulz>	snicker
[06:42:31] <brion>	:( dead hows?
[06:43:08] <AaronSchulz>	brion: nobody is home ;)
[06:43:18] <brion>	awwww
[06:45:34] *siebrand 	cheers TimStarling on for r48082 and friends!
[06:45:46] <AaronSchulz>	TimStarling: patch-user_last_timestamp.sql would be nice to test
[06:46:09] <AaronSchulz>	just to the user_newtalk talk
[06:46:14] <AaronSchulz>	*user_newtalk table
[06:46:29] <TimStarling>	it's not actually a schema change script just yet
[06:47:01] <TimStarling>	just master switching, like:
[06:47:12] <TimStarling>	php switch.php db1 db2
[06:47:31] <TimStarling>	that will change the master from db1 to db2, for all sections where db1 is a master
[06:48:08] <AaronSchulz>	ah
[06:49:05] <jamasi>	Splarka, re
[06:49:46] <jamasi>	I took a look at your .js. seems to be working quite nice
[06:52:42] <jamasi>	best would be if one could include it into mainline (after further testing) the other option might be to wrap it into an extension.
[06:54:49] <slithytove2006>	splarka is afk, i believe
[06:56:24] <slithytove2006>	would it be possible, with hacking of course, to apply a special skin to certain pages, while using the default on others?
[06:57:17] <slithytove2006>	i colud make the skin detect and use different files if its the rigth page i suppose, but could this be done inside localsettings, you think? change the defaultskin variable depending on the page?
[07:00:58] *Splarka 	sneeks back
[07:01:06] <Splarka>	slithytove2006: wikia does (or did) that with their main page
[07:01:18] <slithytove2006>	@splarka: is that bad?
[07:01:22] <Splarka>	jamasi: needs testing
[07:02:40] <Splarka>	brion, re http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=47411  please let us know how full http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:String_manipulation_templates and how used those have to be before it is a compelling reason to add that restriction, or should we just close https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6455 as "Works for me!"
[07:03:17] <Splarka>	(also, these are turning into {{qif}}-ness, at some point StringFunctions will be a less-evil accomodation)
[07:05:46] <p858snake>	hmm anything up with the webservers? first i couldn't get to wikipedia so i just thought it was my browser playing up so i closed it out and can't get to bugzilla either
[07:06:15] <werdnum>	we could always just delete the templates :P
[07:19:55] <Splarka>	werdnum: he ignored my prod, bah
[07:26:38] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Logging failed IP checks creates faulty log entries and log searches - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17814 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CheckUser; (dmcdevit)
[07:28:18] <Ladonna>	Is there an open bug regarding mailing list searching?
[07:28:40] <Ladonna>	Huh. I filed one already.
[07:29:10] *Ladonna 	needlessly bumps it a bit.
[07:31:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Mailing lists need search function readded - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17390  15enhancement->normal; +comment (10public)
[07:34:12] <CIA-60>	03river * r48084 10/trunk/tools/ts-specs/ (4 files in 2 dirs): TSchecklsi, TScheckzfs: new specs
[07:42:22] <Administrator_>	anyone know, how can I add a link in the toolbox?  I made a special page.
[07:43:07] <OverlordQ>	!sidebar | Administrator_
[07:43:07] --mwbot--	Administrator_: To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar>.
[07:46:55] <Splarka>	Administrator_: SkinTemplateToolboxEnd
[07:47:23] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/SkinTemplateToolboxEnd
[07:48:44] <OverlordQ>	oh, toolbox *headdesk*
[07:49:01] <Administrator_>	LOL thank you :)
[07:49:13] <Administrator_>	anyone know if I could can make the link bold easily? :P
[07:49:21] <Ladonna>	CSS?
[07:50:01] <Splarka>	or emit the inner text wrapped in <b>
[07:50:13] <Ladonna>	Or <strong>.
[07:50:42] <Administrator_>	Splarka, we'll find out if it converts it to &gt;
[07:51:13] <Splarka>	I think you have control of the raw html at that point
[07:51:40] <Administrator_>	damn, not when editing MediaWiki:Sidebar
[07:51:42] <Splarka>	but maybe not
[07:52:19] <Splarka>	nothing to do with Sidebar
[07:52:25] <Administrator_>	lol
[07:52:34] <Splarka>	if you're writing an extension you can use hooks, so the easiest way is with SkinTemplateToolboxEnd
[07:52:35] <Administrator_>	I'm looking to add it to the toolbar section. Just a sec
[07:52:42] <Splarka>	right
[07:52:46] <Splarka>	the Sidebar doesn't control the toolbox
[07:52:50] <Splarka>	except the position
[07:53:02] <Administrator_>	k just a sec, I'ma reading that link...
[07:53:13] <Splarka>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/skins/MonoBook.php?view=co&content-type=text%2Fplain
[07:53:18] <Splarka>			wfRunHooks( 'MonoBookTemplateToolboxEnd', array( &$this ) );
[07:53:18] <Splarka>			wfRunHooks( 'SkinTemplateToolboxEnd', array( &$this ) );
[07:53:23] <Splarka>	at the end of the toolbox constructor
[07:54:11] <Administrator_>	woof. I might save this for another time.  I'll be okay in the navigation section for now.
[07:54:29] <Splarka>	heh
[07:54:35] <Splarka>	in that case, you can make it bold with CSS
[07:55:02] <Splarka>	view the page source, find the ID on the parent <li>, #n-thingy {font-weight:bold;}
[07:56:32] <Administrator_>	I just did that myself. Thanks for your help Splarka :)
[07:58:17] <Splarka>	if only Ladonna had thought of that
[07:58:38] <Ladonna>	:X
[07:59:14] <AnonDiss>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Anonymous_Dissident/Sandbox&action=edit
[07:59:21] <AnonDiss>	Why am I not getting a section link?
[08:01:45] <Nikerabbit>	hi Splarka 
[08:02:18] <Ladonna>	The new preprocessor is a cruel and fickle mistress.
[08:03:55] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r48085 10/trunk/extensions/Review/Review.php: Follow up r48072: Fix a typo: 'spam' -> 'span'
[08:04:03] <Splarka>	AnonDiss: try 1=
[08:04:14] <Splarka>	Nikerar
[08:04:38] <Splarka>	oop, not a template call, hmm
[08:04:42] <Splarka>	well, that should work, IIRC
[08:04:58] <Splarka>	except when it doesn't
[08:05:24] <Splarka>	> A wikitext-style level-1 heading (<h1>) is not marked with a section edit link if the heading appears in a place where the parser expects an equals sign separating a template parameter name from its value, as in {{foo | name = value}}.
[08:07:32] <Ladonna>	Meh. Just make the edit link yourself. It's a quick <span> </span>
[08:07:48] <Splarka>	after substing it shouldn't matter
[08:07:50] <Ladonna>	Though I guess that screws up section numbering. Use subpages.
[08:08:00] <Splarka>	as there's nothing left to scare the heading
[08:08:28] <Ladonna>	Yeah, dunno what that's about. I thought the links only went away with <h2>.
[08:08:49] <Ladonna>	Even == Foo ==<!-- bar --> works.
[08:10:25] <Ladonna>	"First section in a parserfunction is uneditable in new parser. This now only occurs for level-1 headings, higher levels have been fixed. "
[08:11:40] <Splarka>	right, I remember the fix
[08:11:53] <Splarka>	and I just quoted the =H1= prob a few lines above
[08:13:33] <Ladonna>	Well, clearly it re-broke. http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headerslol
[08:20:59] <AnonDiss>	Sorry, back.
[08:21:14] <AnonDiss>	Did we come to a conclusion?
[08:21:27] <AnonDiss>	Oh.
[08:22:15] <Splarka>	Fubar
[08:23:03] <Ladonna>	SNAFU.
[08:23:10] <Splarka>	haha
[08:23:54] <Splarka>	{{formatnum:{{padleft:{{PAGESIZE:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|R}}|10}}}}
[08:23:57] <Splarka>	amusing
[08:24:19] <Ladonna>	>_>
[08:25:00] <OverlordQ>	O_o
[08:25:17] <AnonDiss>	Splarka: fubar?
[08:25:36] <Splarka>	AnonDiss: it is broked
[08:25:39] <Splarka>	it used to work
[08:25:53] <AnonDiss>	So there's nothing I cna do?
[08:26:44] <Splarka>	well, after you subst it should make an editable section
[08:30:03] <AnonDiss>	But it's not a template, it's a piece of code.
[08:30:57] <Splarka>	templates and parser functions are parsed the same internally, in regard to headings
[08:31:12] <Splarka>	but if you're substing it, you should b eleft with...
[08:31:15] <Splarka>	===heading===
[08:31:20] <Splarka>	and that /should/ be editable
[08:31:33] <Splarka>	just not on the template page itself
[08:31:51] <AnonDiss>	Right, okay.
[08:33:07] <Splarka>	I could try saying something really stupid to get T/im's attention to this matter, or I could try insulting him, and then he could look into the problem and fix it, hmmm...
[08:34:04] *Splarka 	tries stupid... "Headers in templates and parser functions don't work as editable sections specifically due to a hack added to the new preprocessor by Board decree."
[08:39:55] <AnonDiss>	Woot, worked.
[08:39:57] <AnonDiss>	Thanks.
[08:43:29] <AnonDiss>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Anonymous_Dissident/Sandbox
[08:43:31] <AnonDiss>	Didn't work.
[08:44:43] <Splarka>	didn't subst
[08:45:18] <Splarka>	AnonDiss: again, if you subst away the wrapping parser function, it can't not work
[08:45:24] <Splarka>	that still shows a parser function around the header
[08:45:47] <AnonDiss>	can't not work or cannot work?
[08:49:09] <AnonDiss>	Splarka: which part did you want me to subst?
[08:50:49] <AnonDiss>	Splarka: which part to subst? The #if:?
[08:51:09] <Splarka>	well, I assume you don't want the #if permanently in the page you subst that template to
[08:51:29] <AnonDiss>	whatever works; these edit links are all I care about.
[08:51:42] <Splarka>	so subst #if, yes
[08:52:38] <Splarka>	{{#if}} around the header makes it not work, no #if, no not work
[08:53:39] <AnonDiss>	Works. Brilliant. Thanks.
[09:03:17] <Splarka>	TimStarling: haha, your caching of identical template calls broke RandomSelection on Wikia, they're having to work around that now, hope you're happy ^_^
[09:03:30] <Splarka>	(they just upgraded parsers)
[09:04:16] <OverlordQ>	lol
[09:04:48] <Splarka>	(by giving the template calls that contain a randomselection a fake parameter)
[09:08:09] <Splarka>	Tim: it even does it with the extension using $parser->disableCache();
[09:08:13] <Splarka>	bug?
[09:10:35] <CIA-60>	03river * r48086 10/trunk/tools/ts-specs/ (4 files in 3 dirs): TSopenssh: new spec; includes hpn patch for fast file transfers over scp
[09:14:46] <fishsponge>	can anyone help by letting me know why my table with the digg logo etc... in it is overlapping some of the content?? http://www.hobbsknowledgebase.co.uk/wiki/How_To_Speed_Up_Video_Without_Changing_Pitch
[09:15:01] <fishsponge>	i'm trying to go for the same effect as they have on wikipedia, where the info pane appears down the right hand side of the article, like on the "Microsoft" page...
[09:26:58] <kr1s>	Hi, did somebody know a extension for blogging in the wiki with tags?
[09:27:13] <kr1s>	and a own tool to add new entries
[09:29:24] <awilliams>	hey all. I've got a significantly more question now.  I've added a couple of fields to the mw_page table. I know how to add them to the edit form, now how can I add them to the insert sql statement so they actually go into the database?
[09:31:18] <awilliams>	no one awake? :P
[09:45:21] <awilliams>	I'll ask in the morning :P
[10:32:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RevisionDeleted fails on latest revision - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17543  summary (10FT2.wiki)
[10:36:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) rev_deleted should use the history buttons to affect ranges of revisions on the history tab - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16607  +comment (10FT2.wiki)
[10:45:26] <fishsponge>	can anyone help? at all?
[10:45:44] <fishsponge>	i'm trying to find out why my table with the digg logo etc... is overlapping some of the content?? http://www.hobbsknowledgebase.co.uk/wiki/How_To_Speed_Up_Video_Without_Changing_Pitch
[10:46:04] <fishsponge>	i'm trying to go for the same effect as they have on wikipedia, where the info pane appears down the right hand side of the article, like on the "Microsoft" page... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft
[10:49:07] <p858snake>	is that table enclosed in a div?
[10:49:37] <fishsponge>	no... http://www.hobbsknowledgebase.co.uk/wiki/Template:SocialBookmarks
[10:50:53] <p858snake>	try using a wikitable first but i'm pretty sure you will need to wrap it in a div and align it to the right
[10:51:00] <fishsponge>	it overlaps other templates too, like my "Note" template - http://www.hobbsknowledgebase.co.uk/wiki/How_To_Speed_Up_Video_Without_Changing_Pitch
[10:51:17] <fishsponge>	hmm... ok, let me try that now...
[10:51:26] <fishsponge>	thanks for your help btw - it really is appreciated :-)
[10:54:19] <fishsponge>	the wikitable just pushes everything below it, so I don't get any text on the left hand side...
[10:55:53] <fishsponge>	any other ideas?
[10:56:52] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r48087 10/trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs): 
[10:56:52] <CIA-60>	* Add Language::semicolonList() function
[10:56:52] <CIA-60>	** Todo: combine all three list functions (comma, semicolon, pipe) into one function with a parameter?
[10:56:52] <CIA-60>	* Use pipe as backlink separator to be consistent with other navigation elements
[10:56:52] <CIA-60>	* Show the colon for case 'afh_actions' only if parameters exist
[10:56:53] <CIA-60>	** Remove the now useless message
[10:56:57] <CIA-60>	* Localize the usages of comma and semicolon
[11:12:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wikibugs gets confused by bugs with non-ASCII chars in summary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9995  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[11:36:01] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Database dump processes halted since 12-Feb-09 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17535  +comment (10andreasmeier80)
[11:39:16] <CIA-60>	03jojo * r48088 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.body.php: use ApiEdit w/ FauxRequest to save collections: Article::doEdit() is evil.
[11:39:49] <CIA-60>	03jojo * r48089 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/ (Collection.php README.txt): change default community namespace to NS_PROJECT which makes much more sense than the previous default NS_MEDIAWIKI
[11:40:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add oasis opendocument to mime.types - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17497  +comment (10anon.hui)
[11:45:05] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Pages created through Special:Book do not respect access restrictions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17813  +comment (10support)
[11:49:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Database dump processes halted since 26-Feb-09 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17535  summary (10p858snake)
[11:50:25] <guillom>	Duesentrieb, poke ?
[11:51:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add oasis opendocument to mime.types - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17497  (10anon.hui)
[11:57:58] <Duesentrieb>	guillom: here.
[11:58:15] <guillom>	Duesentrieb, heh, too late, a left a note on the private wiki
[11:58:17] <guillom>	wmde
[11:58:20] <guillom>	:)
[11:58:24] <Duesentrieb>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Developer_meet-up_2009/Registration
[11:59:10] <guillom>	Duesentrieb, conference@wikimedia.de redirects to the OTRS queue ?
[11:59:26] <Duesentrieb>	guillom: i agree of course, but: i don't have all adressesw. so many will be sent via wiki-mail.- and some people will come via the web püage.
[11:59:30] <Duesentrieb>	guillom: yes.
[12:00:20] <guillom>	Duesentrieb, you can temporarily change your e-mail address to wmcon@wikimedia.org (verify it using OTRS), send your mails via wiki-mail and change it back to yours
[12:00:21] <Duesentrieb>	guillom: well... i hope so. i just send mail there, so look and see :)
[12:00:52] <guillom>	Duesentrieb, yes, it works :)
[12:00:54] <Duesentrieb>	guillom: yes. actually, i told our intern to set up a special account just for this purpose, and use the queue's address
[12:01:04] <guillom>	ok :)
[12:05:18] <Duesentrieb>	hm, he's using his own account after all. well, doesn't matter as long as it's the right address in the from field.
[12:09:06] <guillom>	yes
[12:10:54] <CynMod>	anyone around advanced that can give me a hand?
[12:11:45] <Simetrical>	!ask | CynMod 
[12:11:45] --mwbot--	CynMod: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[12:12:29] <CynMod>	I'm trying to install mediawiki but I am getting "Could not find a suitable database driver!" What do I do?
[12:12:52] <CynMod>	I have mySQL 6.0 installed.
[12:12:59] <CynMod>	With a service running.
[12:18:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add oasis opendocument to mime.types - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17497  (10anon.hui)
[12:19:13] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Add oasis opendocument to mime.types - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17497  (10anon.hui)
[12:20:00] <CIA-60>	03nikerabbit * r48090 10/trunk/phase3/includes/GlobalFunctions.php: 
[12:20:00] <CIA-60>	* Modified wfMsg behaviour to do transform after substituting variables
[12:20:00] <CIA-60>	* If this works, wfMsg should now work similarly to wfMsgExt with parsemag
[12:25:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add oasis opendocument to mime.types - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17497  (10anon.hui)
[12:30:54] <Duesentrieb>	CynMod: do you have the right mysql bindings for php installed?
[12:31:04] <Duesentrieb>	and, err... mysql 6? does that even exist?
[12:31:13] <CynMod>	Yes it exists and I have no idea
[12:31:41] <CynMod>	http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/mysql/6.0.html
[12:31:59] <CynMod>	I think its in Alpha tho
[12:32:01] <flyingparchment>	why are you using 6.0?
[12:32:08] <CynMod>	I can't get 5.0 to load on Vista
[12:35:56] <EivindJ>	Any of you have experince with e-mail notifications not working?
[12:36:46] <EivindJ>	I have one of the latest MediaWikis installed on a Linux, and I can't get it to send out e-mail
[12:36:55] <EivindJ>	Emergencycontact and PasswordSender is set
[12:37:20] <EivindJ>	I've also tried $weSMTP ... 
[12:37:38] <EivindJ>	but now I've changed it to a gmail account, and I didn't think that should be necessary
[12:38:41] <EivindJ>	is it sufficient with $wgEmergencyContact = "my@gmail.com"; and $wgPasswordSender = "my@gmail.com"; ?
[12:42:22] <Duesentrieb>	EivindJ: those settings don't determine how mail is sent.
[12:42:38] <Duesentrieb>	EivindJ: $wgSMTP does. only what yopu enter there matters. 
[12:43:05] <Duesentrieb>	or don't use it and stick with the default, namely, sendmail. in that case, you have to check your sendmail config (or exim or whatever you have running)
[12:48:19] <EivindJ>	Duesentrieb: Thanks, I'll have a look
[13:30:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Import error: "Import failed: Could not open import file" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15000  normal->high; +comment (10geraki)
[13:32:35] <Nikerabbit>	quiet evening
[13:33:07] <MGrab>	hi everybody
[13:39:16] <Mufka>	what takes priority - defaultsort or a custom sort for a particular cat?
[13:49:59] <CIA-60>	03catrope * r48091 10/trunk/phase3/ (21 files in 2 dirs): 
[13:49:59] <CIA-60>	* API: (bug 17774) API pretends action=query doesn't exist for users without read rights
[13:49:59] <CIA-60>	* Instead of hiding read-restricted modules, throw an error when a user without read rights tries to use them
[13:49:59] <CIA-60>	* Do the same for write modules when $wgEnableWriteAPI is false
[13:49:59] <CIA-60>	* Indicate whether a module needs read or write rights in action=help and action=paraminfo
[13:50:03] <CIA-60>	* BREAKING CHANGE: action=purge now requires write rights and, for anonymous users, a POST request
[13:50:30] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) <error code="unknown_action" info="Unrecognized value for parameter &#039;action&#039;: query"> - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17774  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[13:51:14] <CynMod>	Anyone know a good wamp server?
[13:52:27] <werdnum>	linux
[13:52:28] *werdnum 	hides
[13:52:38] <flyingparchment>	he said "good"
[13:52:53] <werdnum>	buh dum-psssch
[13:52:59] <CynMod>	windows
[14:03:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) API should have method to return number in user group - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17809  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[14:22:39] <Simetrical>	I love how when you have Ubuntu install security updates in the background, the updated processes start going crazy.
[14:23:09] <Simetrical>	Can't they have the updates only go into effect when the processes actually end, if it's going to cause problems to apply them while it's still running?
[14:23:52] <Nikerabbit>	Simetrical: most software doesn't care
[14:24:09] <Nikerabbit>	firefox does... but they do not have hooks to ask user to restart it
[14:24:10] <Duesentrieb>	firefox does.
[14:24:14] <Duesentrieb>	hehe :)
[14:24:16] <Simetrical>	Nikerabbit, they do.
[14:24:21] <Simetrical>	It tells you to restart it.
[14:24:32] <Simetrical>	In a totally unnoticeable little icon.
[14:24:34] <Skjackey_tse>	!download
[14:24:34] --mwbot--	The latest stable release of MediaWiki can be downloaded from <http://download.wikimedia.org/mediawiki>. Files are supplied in a .tar.gz archive. MediaWiki can also be obtained direct from our Subversion repository <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download_from_SVN >. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download> for more information.
[14:24:36] <Nikerabbit>	hmm
[14:24:39] <Nikerabbit>	weird, haven't noticed it
[14:24:50] <Nikerabbit>	/dev/sdb1 has gone 602 days without being checked, check forced.
[14:24:56] <Simetrical>	You probably don't leave Firefox running overnight all the time.
[14:25:04] <Simetrical>	Nikerabbit, ugh, I hate how long that takes.
[14:25:07] <Nikerabbit>	Simetrical: I do
[14:25:20] <Simetrical>	Then you don't have it install security updates automatically?
[14:25:20] <Nikerabbit>	Simetrical: well, in this case this is manual fsck :)
[14:25:38] <Nikerabbit>	Simetrical: mmm I'm not sure
[14:25:38] <Simetrical>	ext4 will apparently have much faster fsck.
[14:25:50] <Nikerabbit>	Simetrical: I just installed fedora to my new laptop and configured it so
[14:25:50] <Skjackey_tse>	!setting
[14:25:50] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "setting". You might try: !adminsettings !config !defaultsettings !enableapi !enotif !errors !extranamespace !interwiki !javascript !js !logo !newusergroup !safemode !subpages !tidyforidiots !uploads !version 
[14:25:52] <Simetrical>	If you manually install them, it's no big deal, you know when you have to restart.
[14:26:03] <Simetrical>	If it's automatic, then Firefox suddenly just starts acting weird.
[14:26:09] <Skjackey_tse>	!defaultsettings
[14:26:09] --mwbot--	For the current version of DefaultSettings.php, see: <http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/DefaultSettings.php?view=markup>.
[14:26:11] <werdnum>	Simetrical: will ext4 also have a kitchen sink?
[14:26:20] <Nikerabbit>	yeah, I've git it multiple times when using gentoo
[14:26:30] <Simetrical>	werdnum, no, that's in btrfs.
[14:26:38] <Simetrical>	!botinfo | Skjackey_tse 
[14:26:38] --mwbot--	Skjackey_tse: I don't know everything about everything. I am mostly for lazy experienced users to echo quick answers to very common mediawiki questions. Please don't randomly experiment with me for help. Everything I know is at http://tools.wikimedia.de/~amidaniel/botbrain.html and you can visit #mwbot or privately message me.
[14:26:43] <werdnum>	Simetrical: oh I forgot, it's a journalled filesystem.
[14:26:52] <werdnum>	Journalled filesystems have kitchen syncs instead.
[14:27:03] <Simetrical>	. . . yeah, that didn't work.
[14:27:09] <Nikerabbit>	Error reading block 54034434 (Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read) while getting next inode from scan.  Ignore error<y>?
[14:27:14] <Nikerabbit>	Isn't it lovely
[14:27:16] <Simetrical>	Especially because all filesystems sync things.
[14:27:28] <werdnum>	Simetrical: bah.
[14:27:33] *werdnum 	slaps Simetrical for ruining a good joke
[14:28:59] <Simetrical>	That's the problem, it wasn't a good joke.
[14:29:08] <Simetrical>	It was a bad attempt at a joke.
[14:29:13] <Simetrical>	But you get points for trying anyway.
[14:29:48] <Nikerabbit>	mm
[14:30:04] <Nikerabbit>	this is the first and last lacie disk I will buy
[14:31:30] <Nikerabbit>	hub 1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 1
[14:32:53] <flyingparchment>	that's what you get for using unmirrored storage
[14:35:03] <Nikerabbit>	something wrong with the usb interface/cable
[14:35:07] <Nikerabbit>	the disk is probably fine
[14:37:05] <werdnum>	bedtiem
[14:38:19] <Duesentrieb>	webalizer dies on logs > 2GB
[14:41:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) GenericEditPage breaks Show Preview and Show Changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17225  (10mikel_maron)
[14:42:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) rev_deleted should use the history buttons to affect ranges of revisions on the history tab - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16607  (10mikelifeguard)
[14:42:59] <Nikerabbit>	not major, just previewing
[14:43:19] <Nikerabbit>	no problem as long as saving works
[14:44:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Import error: "Import failed: Could not open import file" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15000  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[14:46:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Importing (transwiki) only the top revision should succeed reliably - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16875  (10mikelifeguard)
[14:47:05] <fishsponge>	can anyone help by letting me know why my table with the digg logo etc... in it is overlapping some of the content?? http://www.hobbsknowledgebase.co.uk/wiki/How_To_Speed_Up_Video_Without_Changing_Pitch
[14:47:08] <fishsponge>	i'm trying to go for the same effect as they have on wikipedia, where the info pane appears down the right hand side of the article, like on the "Microsoft" page...
[14:48:20] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Import Transwiki for only one version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15708  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[14:48:26] <CIA-60>	03rotem * r48092 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiPatrol.php: Fix typo.
[14:49:04] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) [Proposal] Bureaucrats's capability to flag a user as an "Importer" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16598  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[14:50:00] <CynMod>	Will someone help me with >"Could not find a suitable database driver!"< when installing MediaWiki???
[14:50:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) [Proposal] Bureaucrats's capability to flag a user as an "Importer" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16598  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[14:50:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow assignment and removal of 'import' group by bureaucrats on mediawiki.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17071  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[14:56:00] <CynMod>	Will someone help me with >"Could not find a suitable database driver!"< when installing MediaWiki???
[14:57:06] <Simetrical>	CynMod, you need PHP to have MySQL support.
[14:57:10] <Simetrical>	And don't spam.
[14:58:02] <CynMod>	Questoin. How in the world would I know a "php" page told me "Could not find a suitable database driver!" if I didn't have php installed?
[14:58:34] <Duesentrieb>	CynMod: you have php. but you don't have the mysql module of php.
[14:58:55] <CynMod>	ok that sounds a little better. Any ideas on where to get it?
[14:59:58] <Duesentrieb>	CynMod: well, the *easiest* for all of use would be if you just installed XAMPP and be done with it.
[15:00:36] <Duesentrieb>	includes apache, mysql, php, with all the drivers, with a neat installer and config program.
[15:00:58] <CynMod>	Yup and that's what I installed and the version of MySQL that comes with it don't work due to it being an incompatible version for windows vista so I had to install mysql 5.0.77 to get it to work with xampp
[15:01:38] <CynMod>	but for some reason didn't bind to the php so when I try to run the installer of mediawiki, it tells me "Could not find a suitable database driver!""
[15:04:06] <Duesentrieb>	no idea how to get that right on windows. i just apt-get php5-mysql.
[15:04:17] <Duesentrieb>	google will probably help.
[15:04:44] <CynMod>	If google was any help then I wouldn't be in here bugging you guys.
[15:05:04] <Duesentrieb>	find someone who's using windows, then.
[15:06:11] <CynMod>	with 187 people in there, that's what I was hoping for.
[15:06:17] <CynMod>	in here*
[15:08:36] <MGrab>	CynMod: check whether you have the following line in your php.ini: extension=php_mysqli.dll
[15:08:52] <MGrab>	and there's no ";" in front of it
[15:09:32] <MGrab>	also check that the extension_dir variable points to "C:\Program Files\PHP\ext"
[15:09:41] <MGrab>	and you have php_mysqli.dll file in there
[15:10:07] <CynMod>	;extension=php_msql.dll
[15:10:07] <CynMod>	extension=php_mssql.dll
[15:10:07] <CynMod>	extension=php_mysql.dll
[15:10:07] <CynMod>	extension=php_mysqli.dll
[15:10:30] <Duesentrieb>	MGrab: php_mysqli.dll isn't used by mediawiki. only plain old php_mysql.dll is.
[15:10:45] <CIA-60>	03yaron * r48093 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormInputs.inc: Set "None" value to show up in radiobutton input even for mandatory fields
[15:11:02] <Duesentrieb>	CynMod: phpinfo() should tell you if it's loaded.
[15:11:07] <CynMod>	extension_dir = "C:\xampp\php\ext\"
[15:11:19] <MGrab>	Duesentrieb: okey, sry then, I don't know much about the database part of MW
[15:11:41] <CynMod>	THat's the php.ini in the xampp\php folder
[15:11:49] <Duesentrieb>	MGrab: no problem, just trying ot avoid confusion. checking the ini for extensions is probably the right thing to do
[15:12:05] <CynMod>	I have more than 1 ini. Which do I look in?
[15:12:18] <Duesentrieb>	CynMod: run phpinfo(). it will tell you which one it uses.
[15:12:36] <Duesentrieb>	!phpinfo
[15:12:36] --mwbot--	create a file called info.php in your wiki's installation directory. It should have the following content: <?php phpinfo(); ?>; Visit it with your browser to see information about your php installation. If it doesn't work, check file permissions. Remove the file when done, it makes life easier for attackers.
[15:12:40] <Duesentrieb>	yay :)
[15:14:01] <Duesentrieb>	soneone got a static webalier or awffull binary for me?
[15:14:21] <CynMod>	Loaded Configuration File 	C:\Program Files\PHP\php.ini
[15:14:32] <CynMod>	That what I am looking for?
[15:15:40] <MGrab>	CynMod: depends on what PHP installation is Apache using
[15:15:55] <MGrab>	CynMod: you have 2 PHP installations?
[15:17:12] <CynMod>	Yes. I don't know why but i do
[15:17:20] <CynMod>	And how do I tell which one apache is using?
[15:17:50] <MGrab>	CynMod: open C:\xampp\apache\conf\httpd.conf
[15:18:01] <MGrab>	CynMod: and look for php_ini_dir
[15:18:23] <MGrab>	CynMod: also did you do what Duesentrieb said?
[15:18:42] <CynMod>	I can't do that if I don't know which php.ini I need to look on
[15:19:46] <CynMod>	there is no php_ini_dir in the httpd.conf
[15:19:48] <MGrab>	CynMod: sorry, the variable in httpd.conf is PHPIniDir
[15:20:31] <Duesentrieb>	CynMod: phpinfo sais "C:\Program Files\PHP\php.ini"? and you also have one in xampp\php? that might be the cause of the confusing
[15:20:49] <CynMod>	so uninstall the one in program files?
[15:20:50] <Duesentrieb>	if it's sais that it's loading "C:\Program Files\PHP\php.ini", then that's what it is using
[15:21:10] <Duesentrieb>	well, it's using it. so if you uninstall it, something will probably break.
[15:21:20] <Duesentrieb>	unless you fix your apache install to use the other one
[15:21:30] <Duesentrieb>	sounds to me like your setup is screwed up good.
[15:22:03] <CynMod>	There is no PhpIniDir in my httpd.conf file either
[15:22:39] <CynMod>	how do I set my apache to use a certain php.ini?
[15:24:19] <MGrab>	CynMod: Well now that's weird, anyways: PHPIniDir "Path to the php.ini"
[15:25:07] <CynMod>	Its not in there
[15:26:15] <MGrab>	so put it in there
[15:26:54] <CynMod>	PHPIniDir="C:\xampp\php\php.ini'
[15:26:56] <CynMod>	right?
[15:27:22] <MGrab>	with the equal sign
[15:27:35] <CynMod>	there is an = in there
[15:28:20] <MGrab>	O_o where?
[15:28:31] <CynMod>	PHPIniDir = "C:\xampp\php\php.ini"
[15:29:13] <MGrab>	put this at the bottom of the http.conf: PHPIniDir "C:\xampp\php\php.ini"
[15:29:28] <MGrab>	Apache conf don't use =
[15:30:12] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r48094 10/trunk/extensions/TorBlock/TorBlock.i18n.php: Consistency tweak: All other 'abusefilter-edit-builder-vars-...' messages do not have a full stop.
[15:30:24] <CynMod>	Loaded Configuration File 	C:\xampp\php\php.ini
[15:31:59] <CynMod>	ok there. now the dang mediawiki installer is working
[15:33:15] <MGrab>	CynMod: nice, now you should uninstall the PHP installation which is in Program Files to avoid further confusion
[15:34:03] <CynMod>	plan on it. thanks a bunch.
[15:34:49] <MGrab>	CynMod: no problem, you're always welcome
[15:35:38] <CynMod>	yay. media wiki is successfully installed and working.
[15:36:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) static discussion advise (for not-logged-in users) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15309  (10email_metawiki_138)
[15:38:46] <CynMod>	Are there any plugins for media wiki?
[15:39:13] <MGrab>	it's called extensions
[15:39:17] <MGrab>	!extensions
[15:39:17] --mwbot--	MediaWiki has been built so it can easily be customized by adding extensions. This is usually a simple process. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Extensions> for instructions to install extensions, as well as for writing them. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix> for an overview of known extensions.
[15:40:11] <SilentPenguin>	aughhgh! stupid weird ass free godaddy account
[15:43:47] <CynMod>	Im looking for one that will list files/folders within a specified directory like a catalog
[15:46:01] <Agony>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/85.108.121.174 leet haxor, has invented how to "hack" MW article pages, wuhuu!-) (sorry this offtopic)
[15:46:20] <Raymond_>	werdnum: around?
[15:48:37] <CynMod>	DirList < I wonder
[15:49:26] <CynMod>	Not good enough.
[15:52:54] <CynMod>	Not even in english.
[16:00:43] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) PHP Warning + Notice in Special:AbuseFilter/test - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17815 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: AbuseFilter; (raimond.spekking)
[16:14:10] <CIA-60>	03rotem * r48095 10/trunk/extensions/TorBlock/TorBlock.i18n.php: Localization update for he.
[16:20:09] <Betacommand>	anyone willing to take care of bug 13827
[16:21:33] <Nikerabbit>	what is it
[16:21:55] <chuck>	Nikerabbit: adding options to export image data in Special:Export
[16:28:29] <Simetrical>	"I'm pretty sure firearms are an OSI layer 1 problem." <-- My quote of the day.
[16:29:04] <Nikerabbit>	mmm
[16:29:48] <rodeoclown>	is there already a variable to display the page creation date in the footer? either i'm blind, lost searching skills or completely stupid today because i can't find anything on page creation date because some stupid employee wants it on every page because they're too stupid to click on the history for a page
[16:29:53] <rodeoclown>	any help appreciated
[16:30:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CSS-Class for "(top)" on Special:Contributions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17399  (10umherirrender_de.wp)
[16:52:31] <RoanKattouw>	Duesentrieb: On wikitech-l, you said that the dev meetup starts with a who's-who session at 12, but the schedule on MW.org says that "Hello World" starts at 3; which time is correct? (Also asked this on-list)
[16:56:59] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Broken protection - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17816 04CRIT; normal; MediaWiki: Page protection; (dasch_87)
[16:57:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Broken protection - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17816  normal->highest (10dasch_87)
[16:59:27] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Broken protection - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17816  +comment (10dasch_87)
[17:00:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Broken protection - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17816  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[17:32:57] <brion>	mornin folks
[17:40:08] <MChrist>	Hello
[17:40:33] <MChrist>	hmm got question about <gallery> and <imagemap>
[17:41:04] <MChrist>	is it possible to make imagemap to images in gallery?
[17:41:36] <MChrist>	i mean: klicking image brings someone to new page.
[17:43:07] <brion>	mm, not really
[18:18:14] <awilliams>	hey all. I've got a significantly more question now. I've added a couple of fields to the mw_page table. I know how to add them to the edit form, now how can I add them to the insert sql statement so they actually go into the database?
[18:21:14] <Waldir>	Hi there... we are having some problems with misformatted logs on ptwiki due to the makebot extension. Siebrand told me the extension has been deprecated, since the functionality is now native in mediawiki. What is preventing it from being disabled on the wikis?
[18:21:35] <Waldir>	I've read https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14156 but couldn't make much sense of it...
[18:26:39] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Database dump processes halted since 26-Feb-09 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17535  +comment (10brion)
[18:29:05] <awilliams>	no one around again?
[18:29:12] <Nikerabbit>	nope
[18:30:46] <awilliams>	your around.  Your not a person of knowledge on wiki's are you?
[18:35:52] <Nikerabbit>	awilliams: hmmm, why didn't you make a new table?
[18:36:04] <Nikerabbit>	anyway, there is probably some function inside Article:: which you need to change
[18:36:13] <awilliams>	okay.
[18:36:17] <Nikerabbit>	try looking for $dbw->insert or something
[18:36:49] <awilliams>	I didn't make a new table because this is so easily linked to page_title. 
[18:40:32] <BullDoG>	Hello everybody!:)I need help!:)http://animelife.org.ru/wiki/index.php/Rosario_%2B_Vampire  -is something wrong...must be http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosario_%2B_Vampire
[18:40:36] <BullDoG>	what problem?
[18:43:14] <BullDoG>	Peopleeeeesssss!!!!!!
[18:43:18] <BullDoG>	Anybody here?:)
[18:46:14] <BullDoG>	Hello everybody! I need help! http://animelife.org.ru/wiki/index.php/Rosario_%2B_Vampire  -is something wrong...must be http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosario_%2B_Vampire
[18:47:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Alias of 'Wikipedia' namespace in Chinese Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17701  (10brion)
[18:47:29] <DCEmu_user01>	04Come visit my forum where you can watch the newest movies online for FREE: http://movieparadise.informe.com/
[18:48:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CategoryTree degrades poorly on IE/Mac - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7862  (10brion)
[18:51:07] <chuck>	ashley: do you know if wikia has any plans to clean up and release some of the extra social features they've added to wikis like halo and wikia search?
[18:51:19] <chuck>	such as status updating, activity feeds, etc
[18:51:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "No page with that title exists" message on en.wikipedia.org is too long, confusing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16283  (10brion)
[18:52:24] <ashley>	chuck: highly unlikely that /they/ have any plans for such ;) I might even have some, heh...not just the time to implement everything
[18:52:35] <chuck>	;-)
[18:52:36] <chuck>	cool
[18:53:13] <chuck>	i might have a poke at it again, we found it kind of annoying when we tried to share the social tables (wikia just hardcoded table names into their SQL queries .-.)
[18:53:26] <ashley>	heh, indeed
[18:53:48] <ashley>	(very nice to run that stuff with $wgDBprefix != '' too :P been there, done that)
[18:57:52] <chuck>	 ashley ah, right
[18:58:30] <Nikerabbit>	ugga bugga gagugga
[19:07:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Upload form should prevent submission of filename with disallowed extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16414  (10dale)
[19:16:20] <chuck>	ashley: wait, which was the wikia wiki that had those nice social features? halo doesn't seem to have them/use them anymore
[19:19:29] <ashley>	chuck: yes they do, they just have monaco as their default skin now and are running the standard wikia codebase...in addition to halo, gamergear and psn have (had?) them
[19:20:05] <chuck>	ah, that's too bad
[19:20:10] <chuck>	the halo skin was really nice imo
[19:22:34] <chuck>	so was lost's modified monobook
[19:23:28] <awilliams>	they all have wikia's now. 
[19:23:35] <awilliams>	why? Do they get money for those?
[19:26:40] <chuck>	i dunno, maybe it's specially designed to fit more ads or something :P
[19:26:56] <chuck>	i think they just got tired of maintaining their special extensions to work on every skin
[19:27:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Upload form should prevent submission of filename with disallowed extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16414  (10brion)
[19:35:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Diff failed for minimal test case. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17812  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[19:57:47] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Skin system needs some sanity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17817 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (innocentkiller)
[20:01:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Different Priorities in Sitemap - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16742  +comment (10subfader)
[20:13:04] <awilliams>	chuck I agree. But I saw nothing about the person who makes the wikia actually making money on the ads.  
[20:13:16] <chuck>	 /w 44
[20:13:54] <awilliams>	what does that mean? :P
[20:19:16] <chuck>	awilliams: typo
[20:19:26] <awilliams>	thats a hell of a typo
[20:20:27] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED)  [[MediaWiki:Summary-preview]]=?UTF-8?Q?=20should=20be=20shown=20also=20with=20=C2=AB=20Show=20changes=20=C2=BB?= - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12525  +comment (10dotcom)
[20:22:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) nosummary option should be reassigned on preview/captcha - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17615  (10dotcom)
[20:25:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) nosummary option should be reassigned on preview/captcha - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17615  (10dotcom)
[20:26:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) nosummary option should be reassigned on preview/captcha - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17615  +comment (10dotcom)
[20:29:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  [[MediaWiki:Summary-preview]]=?UTF-8?Q?=20should=20be=20shown=20also=20with=20=C2=AB=20Show=20changes=20=C2=BB?= - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12525  (10dotcom)
[20:34:54] <BullDoG>	Hello everybody! I need help! http://animelife.org.ru/wiki/index.php/Rosario_%2B_Vampire  -is something wrong...must be http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosario_%2B_Vampire
[20:37:44] <Prodego>	!wptemplates | BullDoG 
[20:37:44] --mwbot--	BullDoG: To copy templates from Wikipedia, use Special:Export and check the "Include templates" option to get all the sub-templates, then upload the file with Special:Import on your wiki. You'll also likely have to install the ParserFunctions extension and install/enable HTML tidy. You also might need some CSS from Wikipedia's Common.css and Monobook.css. You'll also need a lot of patience.
[20:51:33] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Create "Wikijunior" namespace on Polish Wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17818 normal; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (montechristof)
[20:56:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create "Wikijunior" namespace on Polish Wikibooks - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17818  +comment (10wpedzich)
[20:57:07] <Nikerabbit>	helloo
[21:04:49] <CIA-60>	03rotem * r48096 10/trunk/extensions/GlobalBlocking/GlobalBlocking.i18n.php: Localization fix for he.
[21:05:34] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r48097 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (CHANGELOG Configure.php Configure.settings-ext.php): Updated ParserFunctions' documentation link
[21:07:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Different Priorities in Sitemap - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16742  (10dasch_87)
[21:14:55] <CIA-60>	03mej * r48098 10/trunk/extensions/uniwiki/GenericEditPage/GenericEditPage.php: fixed bug #17225 interoperability with Layouts extension
[21:15:24] <raven79>	hi all
[21:16:02] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Database deadlock on page table page_counter after import - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17819 major; normal; MediaWiki: Database; (mediawiki)
[21:16:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) GenericEditPage breaks Show Preview and Show Changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17225  +comment (10mejymejy)
[21:19:05] <raven79>	sorry i cannot understand how put only 2 groups into my mediawiki installation...
[21:19:34] <ialex>	raven79: you mean user groups?
[21:20:21] <raven79>	no group. i only need an admin group (whose member can do everything) and a user group(whose member can only read pages)
[21:20:50] <raven79>	i tried to modify LocalSettings.php(as i disabled permission to do everything to everybody)
[21:21:12] <raven79>	but i can understand how group array logic woks in mediawiki
[21:21:32] <ialex>	raven79: in that case, give userrights right to sysops ($wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['userrights'] = true;)
[21:21:58] <raven79>	that's al?
[21:22:00] <raven79>	all*
[21:22:04] <ialex>	and "delete" the bureaucrat group: unset( $wgGroupPermissions['bureaucrat']);
[21:22:16] <raven79>	ah...
[21:22:19] <raven79>	finally!
[21:22:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Database deadlock on page table page_counter after import - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17819  (10mediawiki)
[21:22:52] <raven79>	i already added some "user" memeber in general. Does your changes drop users too?
[21:23:52] <ialex>	raven79: I think you need to remove "bureaucrat" group from users having it before deleting the group
[21:24:32] <ialex>	since you won't be able to do that once you did "unset( $wgGroupPermissions['bureaucrat'] );"
[21:24:40] <raven79>	hmm ok now i can set them to be into bot group
[21:25:00] <raven79>	but then i want to remove any other group
[21:27:33] <raven79>	ok now i get when i try to read pages: "permission denied"
[21:28:03] <raven79>	i swap any user (mine too) in a guest group
[21:28:27] <raven79>	previously created with those permissions:
[21:28:56] <raven79>	bot =false, bureacurat=false, block=false, delete=false, edit=false, read= true
[21:29:33] <raven79>	no sorry...
[21:29:46] <raven79>	error refers only to special page ...i suppose...
[21:30:53] <raven79>	now how can i create another group admin i.e. with any permissions, and then how can i swap admins there back? i mean now i'm a normal user with no permissions...
[21:31:24] <paveq>	hi
[21:31:55] <paveq>	how do I extract the string containing username, and articles title in here:
[21:31:58] <paveq>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:MediaWiki_hooks/ArticleSaveComplete
[21:32:02] <ialex>	raven79: if you want to be able to modifiy user rights, you need to have userrights right
[21:32:23] <paveq>	those seem to be objects or something
[21:32:23] <ialex>	paveq: $user->getName()
[21:33:04] <raven79>	for admin group? how can i do? wgGroupPermissions['admin']['bot'] = true; ... = true; and so on?
[21:33:31] <ialex>	raven79: $wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['userrights'] = true;
[21:33:57] <raven79>	hmmm but i want that my group is called "admin"
[21:33:58] <raven79>	:P
[21:34:31] <Prodego>	raven79: the default administrator group is called sysop
[21:34:36] <ialex>	raven79: change MediaWiki:Group-sysop, MediaWiki:Group-sysop-member ;)
[21:34:54] <raven79>	well. i'll follow the standard! ;) i like standard
[21:35:38] <raven79>	thanks for now
[21:35:44] <Splarka>	you can call them 'Administrator' while having the standard, as ialex said
[21:35:45] <raven79>	i'll try some test ;)
[21:35:49] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/MediaWiki:group
[21:35:51] <raven79>	thankyou very much
[21:35:58] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Group-sysop
[21:36:42] <raven79>	Splarka: i'm going to read...thanks
[21:39:44] <Splarka>	not much to read, just one word
[21:46:41] <raven79>	:)
[21:47:19] <porter1>	Is there a quick way of pulling all the files off of a wiki without FTP of ssh?
[21:47:30] <porter1>	As far as uploads?
[21:47:40] <raven79>	samba?
[21:47:55] <porter1>	No, like I don't have access to the server
[21:48:08] <Splarka>	is the api enabled?
[21:48:17] <porter1>	Probably :)
[21:48:46] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=allimages&aiprop=url
[21:48:52] <porter1>	It's an old 1.5.5 innstall :P
[21:49:00] <Splarka>	well, then no api
[21:49:12] <porter1>	Hmm
[21:49:16] <raven79>	another (maybe) dumb question: where data (new pages) are saved? i tried find and some stuff...but i get no match...
[21:49:16] <paveq>	ialex: somehow it doesn't work
[21:49:30] <paveq>	ialex: exec("/bin/echo \"$article->getTitle() $user->getName()\" > /tmp/testii");
[21:49:35] <paveq>	only () () prints to the file
[21:49:49] <ialex>	paveq: you need to use that inside the hook
[21:49:55] <paveq>	(of course eventually I won't be calling echo, but this is just for test)
[21:50:02] <paveq>	ialex: I am using it inside hook
[21:51:01] <ialex>	paveq: try exec("/bin/echo \"{$article->getTitle()->getPrefixedText()} {$user->getName()}\" > /tmp/testii");
[21:51:05] <porter1>	Ah, it has Special:filelist. I guess I'll just run thru all the links there :)
[21:52:45] <paveq>	ialex: actually, just adding {} made it work :)
[21:52:47] <paveq>	thanks
[22:00:47] <raven79>	ok it was really a dumb question :P
[22:02:01] <CIA-60>	03dale * r48099 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/mv_embed/ (5 files in 3 dirs): 
[22:02:01] <CIA-60>	small refactor of stream selection
[22:02:01] <CIA-60>	added baseEmbed monitor updates
[22:06:16] <raven79>	bye all and thanks
[22:41:41] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Enable 'UseAgentElementInStats' configuration on OTRS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17820 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: OTRS; (rjd0060.wiki)
[22:41:46] <werdnum>	morning all
[22:43:01] <chuck>	good morning werdnum 
[22:43:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable 'UseAgentElementInStats' configuration on OTRS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17820  +comment (10cbass)
[22:47:37] <avar>	Duesentrieb: b.t.w. this map of the venue is better: http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.51332&lon=13.41928&zoom=17&layers=B000FTF :)
[22:48:05] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Synchronize css/js caching - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17821 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (gtisza)
[22:49:30] <slithytove2006>	hi
[23:10:08] <Saar>	i see, for some reason no matter what i try it returns an error, i.e. the browser expects an ssl connection, yet the webserver sends a number of hytes of html
[23:10:12] <Saar>	oops
[23:10:20] <Saar>	is it at all possible to have a wiki sited behind an encrypted connection, i.e. https://wiki.example.com ? Since I am unable to find much info about it I am starting to think it isn't possible
[23:10:36] <Saar>	I can't get apache2 to work with https and mediawiki
[23:10:40] <Splarka>	WMF runs a secure server
[23:10:53] <Splarka>	https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin
[23:10:59] <Saar>	i have configured lots of https sites in apache2, never got stuck this way
[23:11:18] <Saar>	anyone have an example apche2 config that works?
[23:11:26] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r48100 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/AbuseFilterVariableHolder.php: Debugging code for bug 17815
[23:11:36] <Splarka>	http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/  maybe
[23:11:53] <Splarka>	wikimedia-ssl-backend.conf  and  wikimedia-ssl.conf ?
[23:12:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) PHP Warning + Notice in Special:AbuseFilter/test - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17815  (10Andrew)
[23:13:10] <Saar>	thanks i will compare those and see if i missed something
[23:13:18] <chuck>	brion: how was the meeting? :P
[23:14:01] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r48101 10/trunk/extensions/CategoryTree/ (CategoryTree.js CategoryTreeFunctions.php): display: none; the CategoryTree expand links in the HTML, and have JS unhide them.
[23:14:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CategoryTree degrades poorly on IE/Mac - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7862  (10Andrew)
[23:16:22] <brion>	meetolicious
[23:16:41] <chuck>	e/w 23
[23:16:56] <Splarka>	hmm, that is odd that ERC uses two separate <span><a><img>
[23:17:13] <Splarka>	couldn't it just change the <img> src?
[23:30:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CategoryTree degrades poorly on IE/Mac - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7862  (10brion)
[23:30:29] <brion>	werdnum: screen shot :)
[23:31:13] <werdnum>	o_O
[23:31:41] <werdnum>	bah, WFM on a semi-sane browser :P
[23:32:02] *werdnum 	wonders what's happening to the links
[23:34:05] <werdnum>	brion: does IE5/Mac actually have javascript?
[23:34:22] <brion>	yes :)
[23:34:33] <brion>	however... it fucks up hiding the links even with JS off which is interesting :D
[23:34:45] <werdnum>	horribly broken js, I assume
[23:34:51] <werdnum>	I guess it doesn't have firebug
[23:35:03] <werdnum>	where do I get a copy to play with?
[23:35:37] <brion>	<li><div><div><span><span></span></span><a></a><span></span></div><div></div></div></li>
[23:35:38] <brion>	jeebus
[23:36:06] <werdnum>	o-o
[23:36:14] <werdnum>	CategoryTree is kinda a mess.
[23:36:22] <werdnum>	It should really be implemented in mostly JS
[23:36:25] <brion>	:)
[23:37:11] <werdnum>	wow, CPAN is insanely fast on this macbook
[23:37:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CategoryTree degrades poorly on IE/Mac - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7862  (10brion)
[23:38:48] <chuck>	werdnum: is it one of the unibody ones?
[23:38:55] <werdnum>	yes
[23:39:04] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) AbuseFilter warning page should display original page text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17822 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: AbuseFilter; (skizzerz)
[23:39:42] <chuck>	werdnum: how do you like it?
[23:40:34] <werdnum>	it's very sexy
[23:42:34] <chuck>	nice
[23:42:47] <chuck>	i want one, i liked the fact that the whole trackpad was a button
[23:43:01] <werdnum>	gestures are cooler
[23:43:49] <Splarka>	IE mac? really?
[23:43:56] <brion>	hehe
[23:43:58] <brion>	it amuses me
[23:44:14] <werdnum>	three-finger swipe for forward/back in the browser
[23:44:14] <werdnum>	scroll using two fingers
[23:44:14] <werdnum>	four-finger swipe to bring up expose
[23:44:14] <werdnum>	etc
[23:44:16] <Splarka>	okay
[23:44:19] <Splarka>	hang on, testing in IE2
[23:44:38] <chuck>	yeah IE for Mac is a piece of crap, i can't imagine anyone actually using it anymore
[23:45:10] <luna6>	yeah IE for is a piece of crap, i can't imagine anyone actually using it anymore
[23:45:20] <Splarka>	seems broken in IE2, when I try to go to en.wikipedia.org it takes me to the project main page
[23:45:23] <luna6>	yeah IE is a piece of crap, i can't imagine anyone actually using it anymore
[23:45:28] <Splarka>	shall I file a bug, brion?
[23:45:42] <chuck>	luna6: uh?
[23:45:45] <Skizzerz>	uh, who still uses IE2 willingly?
[23:45:54] <chuck>	oh :P
[23:46:01] <luna6>	masochists
[23:46:03] <chuck>	took me a few second there
[23:46:04] <Splarka>	http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/1461/ie2.jpg
[23:46:06] <chuck>	*seconds
[23:46:20] <Splarka>	^ screenshot of IE2 trying to visit en.wp main page
[23:46:26] <chuck>	Splarka: who needs CSS, anyways
[23:47:10] <Splarka>	damn, thought I had a copy of Netscape 1
[23:47:24] <Skizzerz>	lol
[23:47:33] *Splarka 	checks another CD
[23:47:45] <brion>	a small number of people actually do use ie5/mac on shitty old computer they're not allowed to upgrade :)
[23:47:48] <brion>	very... small...
[23:47:59] <brion>	if it breaks it breaks
[23:48:10] <brion>	but it's nice to design sites to degrade gracefully
[23:48:33] *Skizzerz 	thinks there needs to be a cutoff point though
[23:48:41] <brion>	Splarka: core problem with ie2 is that it doesn't support the Host: header, so the vast majority of the internet doesn't work ;)
[23:48:48] <brion>	Skizzerz: like ^
[23:49:04] <Skizzerz>	I understand ie5/mac, but supporting ie2 and other really old browsers is... a bit masochistic
[23:49:31] <brion>	that's because it's impossible to support ie2 and other really old browsers without exclusive use of ip-based virtual domains
[23:49:50] <brion>	even if you wanted to, it would require a prohibitively large IP space :)
[23:51:09] <Splarka>	bah, only got NN3, not worth it, it might actually work
[23:51:56] <Splarka>	brion: I can't access wikipedia on my abacus, is there an open bug....
[23:52:14] *Splarka 	wonders if the joke has matured yet
[23:52:37] <Skizzerz>	I think the deceased horse is now beyond recognition
[23:52:56] <brion>	hehe
[23:53:09] <brion>	nn3 *might* sort of work, i'm pretty sure 2 doesn't
[23:53:12] <brion>	i know 1.2 doesn't :)
[23:55:03] <werdnum>	oh god i so remember that logo
[23:55:06] <werdnum>	the little backwards windows logo
[23:55:26] <werdnum>	like a flag.. I think it used to rotate or something
[23:56:37] <Splarka>	wat? how old were you when IE2 was current?
[23:56:51] <Splarka>	it's been 13 years since I last used it
[23:57:12] <werdnum>	5
[23:57:23] <Splarka>	haha
[23:57:33] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Internet_Explorer_2.0.png
[23:58:52] <qsheets>	hey I remember that browser