[00:04:42] <bitbit>	Hi, i'm looking for a scrpt that and guesses the quality of articles based on number of revisions, edit wars etc and displays it as some sort of graph on the top of articles. Do you know it?
[00:09:40] <januszeal>	ircat
[00:09:41] <januszeal>	http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/3953/img00225q.jpg
[00:11:39] <buzz_>	(offtopic). i just became a dad! 
[00:12:11] <bitbit>	congrats!
[00:12:23] <buzz_>	born 2:10am on satuday. her wiki training will start asap
[00:12:24] <buzz_>	:)
[00:12:31] <bitbit>	hehehe
[00:12:40] <buzz_>	thanks
[00:12:44] <Splarka>	have you released her DNA under GPL?
[00:13:08] <buzz_>	Splarka, well. both mine and my gf is under gpl, so hers has to be, otherwise she will be in breach
[00:13:09] <buzz_>	:)
[00:13:20] <Splarka>	well, not necessarily
[00:13:23] <buzz_>	haha
[00:13:25] <buzz_>	ok
[00:13:26] <Splarka>	personal use, no distributed binaries
[00:13:29] <Splarka>	unless it is AGPL
[00:13:30] <buzz_>	lol
[00:13:34] <buzz_>	:-)
[00:13:37] *werdna 	shakes head
[00:13:57] <Splarka>	nerds eh
[00:14:17] <buzz_>	:)
[00:14:34] <Splarka>	werdna: did you change the behavior of wikibugs? I thought a changed 'resolution' had higher priority than 'status' before
[00:14:51] <JinX|Oo>	Oh my why does it take 45 minutes for pizza to arrive :(
[00:15:03] <werdna>	I did change wikibugs, can you reproduce
[00:15:11] <bitbit>	aarrgh i'm going crazy! I remember seeing that script somewhere
[00:15:15] <Splarka>	(like when MZM resolved a bug as a dupe before, I'da thought it woulda shown (DUP) instead of (FIXED))
[00:15:48] <bitbit>	NONE of you know a tool like that?
[00:15:51] <Splarka>	er, (RESOLVED)
[00:15:53] <werdna>	should have
[00:16:00] <januszeal>	wow
[00:16:19] <Mike_lifeguard>	bitbit: what are you talking about?
[00:16:23] <JinX|Oo>	bitbit i'm guessing no
[00:17:16] <bitbit>	I'm talking about a script/wikipedia gadget that guesses how good an article is by revision number and other stats
[00:17:53] <Mike_lifeguard>	wikitrust does something remotely like that
[00:17:56] <januszeal>	im not sure i'd want people to have free access to my daughters dna
[00:18:00] <januszeal>	if you know what i mean :\
[00:18:03] <JinX|Oo>	!sidebar
[00:18:03] --mwbot--	To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar>.
[00:18:07] <bitbit>	hmm that sounds familiar
[00:18:07] <Mike_lifeguard>	beyond that, I doubt anything like that exists
[00:18:30] <Mike_lifeguard>	http://trust.cse.ucsc.edu/
[00:18:43] <Mike_lifeguard>	http://quality.wikimedia.org/wiki/Portal
[00:18:58] <bitbit>	thanks
[00:18:59] <JinX|Oo>	This is perfect! I was sitting here thinking to myself "I know these guys allow you to change the sidebar, it would be insane not to"
[00:19:38] <buzz_>	the sidebar config doesnt work on my skin. instead it allows you to configure the pull down menus. hurray for css
[00:19:39] <buzz_>	:)
[00:19:42] <JinX|Oo>	I really want to change the way the wiki looks too by editing monobook
[00:20:22] <Re|ent|ess>	sup #fail
[00:20:22] <JinX|Oo>	The pizza MUST arrive soon
[00:20:26] <Re|ent|ess>	I mean #mediawiki <3
[00:20:28] <JinX|Oo>	i'm gonna die
[00:20:31] <Loskene>	I prefer #fail
[00:24:11] <Splarka>	JinX|Oo: look at skins/monobook/main.css
[00:24:21] <Splarka>	and make changes to MediaWiki:Monobook.css on-site
[00:24:33] <p858snake>	Splarka: it shows (DUP) unless you comment on it after then it shows (RESOLVED) or (FIXED)
[00:24:51] <buzz_>	JinX|Oo, i copied and hacked monobook to look quite different but without "huge" code differerences
[00:24:58] <buzz_>	kept the tabs etc. move it around a bit
[00:25:05] <buzz_>	JinX|Oo, http://www.exotica.org.uk
[00:25:11] <Splarka>	p858snake: it is the comment at fault? it should probably always show (DUP) when duping, even over the resolution or comments
[00:25:17] <JinX|Oo>	I'm just starting to get into this sort of thing
[00:25:18] <buzz_>	you are welcome to the source if you like
[00:25:32] <p858snake>	Splarka: no after you have submitted the sup
[00:25:35] <p858snake>	*dup
[00:25:37] <JinX|Oo>	I'm a ASM programmer, never got out into higher level things, so I'm just learning this php
[00:26:11] <buzz_>	JinX|Oo, me too ;-) so. depending how old you are.. x86, z80, 6502 680x0 or ?
[00:26:12] <buzz_>	:)
[00:26:14] <buzz_>	asm maybe
[00:26:27] <buzz_>	arm i meant
[00:26:33] <JinX|Oo>	x86
[00:26:43] <JinX|Oo>	my first was a 186
[00:26:52] <buzz_>	embedded stuff. or demo coding or ?
[00:27:06] <JinX|Oo>	what i'm working with now?
[00:27:08] <buzz_>	yeh
[00:27:15] <buzz_>	or past
[00:27:29] <JinX|Oo>	I'm actually using c++ right now, just starting to get into it
[00:27:45] <JinX|Oo>	I use c++ for the naked functions to write my ASM in there
[00:27:51] <buzz_>	aah
[00:28:06] <JinX|Oo>	Things tend to take MUCH less time this way
[00:28:09] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r48199 10/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/CheckUser_body.php: Fix syntax error introduced in r48185. Reported by 'anomie' on IRC.
[00:28:26] <siebrand>	Splarka: ^^
[00:28:34] <JinX|Oo>	Right now I'm into more reverse engineering and dll injection
[00:29:15] <Splarka>	awaynomie ^^
[00:29:16] <Splarka>	heh
[00:30:27] <buzz_>	JinX|Oo, check thishttp://www.demoscene.tv/page.php?id=172&lang=uk&vsmaction=view_prod&id_prod=13276 - 4kb (you can get the binary and see).. sadly one of the creators committed suicide last year, but its one of the most impressive pieces of code in 4k ive seen on windows at demo compos (was released last year at breakpoint 2007)
[00:30:56] <buzz_>	amazing synth/algorithmic/procedural vectors etc
[00:31:06] *awaynomie 	applauds
[00:31:20] <JinX|Oo>	I never got too much into demos, i've done a few and they sucked lol
[00:31:35] <buzz_>	well check that video, and wonder how they managed to get the exe to 4kb :)
[00:31:51] <JinX|Oo>	I am
[00:32:06] <JinX|Oo>	Obvious High Compression is Obvious
[00:32:20] <DeSian>	is $wgRestrictDisplayTitle = false or true can be used in 1.14.0?
[00:32:28] <DeSian>	if yes? any infos?
[00:32:49] <buzz_>	the synth sounds awesome. i couldnt even do that in 4kn
[00:33:19] <JinX|Oo>	yeah this is one of the most impressive demo's i've ever seen
[00:33:51] <Splarka>	DeSian: $wgRestrictDisplayTitle was introduced in 1.14, and is default false, and can be set to true
[00:33:52] <buzz_>	if you like that there are plenty more.. just check out stuff from breakpoint demo party and other parties like evoke and so on
[00:34:09] <JinX|Oo>	Oh I've seen a lot of demos, I am in the asm community ;)
[00:34:13] <buzz_>	:)
[00:34:13] <Splarka>	DeSian: it requires $wgAllowDisplayTitle to be set to true, but this is true by default, since 1.11
[00:34:24] <JinX|Oo>	I just suck at making em
[00:34:29] <JinX|Oo>	I'm not an artist
[00:34:39] <JinX|Oo>	I love asm
[00:35:12] <buzz_>	here is the download for that demo http://loonies.dk/demos/bin/atrium_by_tbc_and_loonies.zip
[00:35:17] <DeSian>	Splarka: i will use FALSE, becuase our alphabetical make nu funny in LINK :)
[00:35:34] <JinX|Oo>	i like tracert
[00:35:47] <DeSian>	wiki/index.php?title=%D8%AF%DB%95%D8%B3%D8%AA%D9%BE%DB%8E%DA%A9
[00:35:55] <Splarka>	if you set both to true, you can use {{DISPLAYTITLE:}} to change the title of pages, and thereby have ascii links
[00:36:33] <Splarka>	$wgAllowDisplayTitle = false; $wgRestrictDisplayTitle = false;  -> {{DISPLAYTITLE:}} does nothing
[00:37:10] <Splarka>	$wgAllowDisplayTitle = true; $wgRestrictDisplayTitle = false;  -> {{DISPLAYTITLE:}} can only change a few things, like [[IPod]] to "iPod", and [[Foo bar]] to "Foo bar"
[00:37:12] <DeSian>	mus i use $wgAllowDisplayTitle = false; $wgRestrictDisplayTitle = false;  both?
[00:38:03] <Splarka>	$wgAllowDisplayTitle = true; $wgRestrictDisplayTitle = true;  -> {{DISPLAYTITLE:}} can change any title, {{DISPLAYTITLE:foo}} on [[Some page]] will show as <title>foo</title> and <h1>foo</h1>
[00:38:20] <Splarka>	if you want the feature, you set both to true
[00:38:22] <DeSian>	i will have this article for exapmle as Title (دەستپێک) but in the link (Despek). if that allowed
[00:38:28] <Splarka>	then you want both true
[00:38:37] <DeSian>	Splarka: aha ok thanx
[00:38:40] <Splarka>	and create the page at [[Despek]]
[00:38:47] <Splarka>	and {{DISPLAYTITLE:دەستپێک}}
[00:39:07] <Splarka>	and then create [[دەستپێک]]  as: #REDIRECT [[Despek]]
[00:39:20] <DeSian>	yes i'm  understood , u r the best
[00:39:21] <Splarka>	that way, you can link to the page  with either [[Despek]] or [[دەستپێک]]
[00:39:28] <Splarka>	np
[00:39:55] <werdna>	Splarka: don't you mean restrictdisplaytitle = false
[00:40:08] <Splarka>	sigh
[00:40:09] <Splarka>	maybe I do
[00:40:19] <Splarka>	DeSian, heh bit backwards
[00:40:26] <Splarka>	$wgAllowDisplayTitle = true; $wgRestrictDisplayTitle = false;
[00:40:37] <Splarka>	werdna: stupid counter-consistent names
[00:40:44] <DeSian>	ok 
[00:42:20] <Splarka>	werdna: $wgDontRestrictTheDisallowingOfRepressingTheControlledSuppressionOfThisFeature
[00:43:21] <werdna>	{{needsmoar|abbrev}}
[00:43:56] <Splarka>	$wgDRtDoRtCSoTFeature
[00:45:10] <DeSian>	Splarka: worked thanx again http://www.chawg.org/wiki/index.php?title=Html
[00:45:13] <DeSian>	;)
[00:45:27] <Splarka>	werdna++
[00:55:15] <JinX|Oo>	is there any such thing as a portal for mediawiki?
[00:55:40] <slithytove2006>	how do u define "portal"?
[00:56:04] <JinX|Oo>	like TinyPortal for SMF
[00:56:27] <slithytove2006>	im not familiar with SMF
[00:56:32] <JinX|Oo>	ah ok
[00:56:39] <JinX|Oo>	It's a main page basically
[00:57:02] <JinX|Oo>	Except has more features usually
[00:57:09] <JinX|Oo>	also displays top articles etc
[00:57:50] <slithytove2006>	im sure one could be created. i dont know if one exists tho
[00:58:00] <slithytove2006>	you would have to define "top" articles
[00:58:19] <DeSian>	after upgrading, failed the move button ?!
[00:59:11] <CIA-60>	03kim * r48200 10/trunk/wikiation/installer/ (installation_system.py installers.py): Add installation of revisions
[01:01:20] <CIA-60>	03kim * r48201 10/trunk/wikiation/installer/ (5 files): 
[01:01:20] <CIA-60>	Listing things.
[01:01:20] <CIA-60>	This version should still work,
[01:01:20] <CIA-60>	but new/undocumented features will be unstable
[01:08:26] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) feed=rss ignores uselang= - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17868 trivial; Normal; MediaWiki: RecentChanges; (jidanni)
[01:12:24] <Sean_Colombo>	users have been bugging me lately for a while because the Orphaned Pages list doesn't contain pages which only have redirects pointing to them (instead of real links)
[01:12:51] <DeSian>	how can redirect page automatic to existed page?
[01:13:16] <Sean_Colombo>	coding aside, is there any reason we wouldn't want to consider those page as Orphans?
[01:13:23] <Sean_Colombo>	DeSian: I'm sorry, I don't understand the question
[01:14:01] <DeSian>	Sean_Colombo: i have article Foo and article bar, i will redirect Foo >> bar
[01:14:37] <Sean_Colombo>	okay
[01:15:15] <DeSian>	i can do it with #REDIRECT [[pagename]] but that isnt automatic!
[01:15:26] <Sean_Colombo>	oh
[01:15:34] <Sean_Colombo>	i see what you mean
[01:15:41] <Sean_Colombo>	i wrote an extension that does soemthing like that
[01:16:49] <DeSian>	but in 1.13 was available move page to existed page.
[01:17:44] <Sean_Colombo>	DeSian: basically, you canwrite an extension that is registered to the ArticleFromTitle hook
[01:18:16] <DeSian>	Sean_Colombo: i need no EX to that. thanx
[01:19:22] <Sean_Colombo>	oh
[01:19:37] <Sean_Colombo>	so are you saying that you upgraded from 1.13 to 1.14 and now your "move" button is gone?
[01:21:32] <DeSian>	Sean_Colombo: yes
[01:21:58] <Sean_Colombo>	DeSian: oh, I'm sorry. I misunderstood the question.   I don't know the answer to that.
[01:22:19] <DeSian>	np. tnzx
[01:22:23] <DeSian>	thanx*
[01:24:17] *JinX|Oo 	XOR's buzz_, thus nullifying buzz_'s existance!
[01:25:12] <DeSian>	i fix it thanx again
[01:30:07] <Sean_Colombo>	does anybody know if there is a reason we wouldn't want to consider pages which only have redirects to them (not links from actual articles) to be Orphans?
[01:30:48] <JinX|Oo>	Just because of that redirect it's not considered an orphan?
[01:33:30] <Sean_Colombo>	JinX|Oo: correct
[01:33:34] <Sean_Colombo>	oh
[01:33:37] <Sean_Colombo>	oh, that's your reason
[01:33:38] <Sean_Colombo>	hmm
[01:33:52] <Sean_Colombo>	but redirects are effectively the same article
[01:33:54] <Sean_Colombo>	for example
[01:34:06] <Sean_Colombo>	http://lyricwiki.org/Prodigy:Firestarter
[01:34:17] <Sean_Colombo>	and
[01:34:18] <Sean_Colombo>	http://lyricwiki.org/The_Prodigy:Firestarter
[01:34:22] <Sean_Colombo>	are the same article
[01:34:38] <Sean_Colombo>	so if it links to itself, it can still be orphaned out in the middle of the wikiverse all by itself
[01:34:42] <JinX|Oo>	<3 The Prodigy
[01:34:55] <Sean_Colombo>	:)
[01:35:04] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Must also say New|New User|Delete|etc. in RecentChanges feed <title>s - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17869 trivial; Normal; MediaWiki: RecentChanges; (jidanni)
[01:37:01] <JinX|Oo>	I see your point
[01:37:19] <JinX|Oo>	technically they aren't orphand, but in your case it is
[01:40:33] <Sean_Colombo>	i wonder if that would be a straightforward change
[01:40:37] <Sean_Colombo>	(ie: easy ;))
[01:40:53] <JinX|Oo>	It probably is
[01:41:02] <JinX|Oo>	smth php like
[01:41:13] <JinX|Oo>	conditional if prolly
[01:43:14] <CIA-60>	03kim * r48202 10/trunk/wikiation/installer/ (installation_system.py installers.py): Some documentation
[01:44:49] *Hersfold 	is looking for someone who can help with an API problem
[01:48:15] <Splarka>	ask the question, Hersfold. usually faster
[01:52:38] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) api.php Main Page examples might not exist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17870 trivial; Normal; MediaWiki: API; (jidanni)
[01:52:44] <Hersfold>	Splarka: ok, just a moment
[01:54:04] <Hersfold>	ok. I'm trying to write a bot that will use the API to import pages to Wiktionary
[01:54:16] <Hersfold>	I'm currently testing out that ability on test.wikipedia.org
[01:54:30] <Hersfold>	but I keep getting a bad token error
[01:55:09] <Hersfold>	the tokens I'm getting from the API as it says to do in the manual
[01:55:17] <Splarka>	be sure to URIencode it exactly as it gives it to you
[01:55:42] <Hersfold>	yeah, I'm changing the +\ at the end to %2B%5C
[01:55:51] <Hersfold>	but it still messes up
[01:56:12] <Splarka>	are you POSTing all parameters?
[01:56:31] <Hersfold>	yes
[01:56:37] <Splarka>	and sending as application/x-www-form-urlencoded ?
[01:56:59] <Hersfold>	uhhh - not entirely sure. I'm using code given to me by someone else
[01:57:08] <Hersfold>	If you're familiar with Java, I can pastebin it
[01:57:27] <Splarka>	am not
[01:57:33] <Hersfold>	gah
[01:57:48] <Hersfold>	well, the request I'm making should be...
[01:57:50] <Splarka>	perhaps it is double-encoding it
[01:57:55] <Hersfold>	http://test.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=import&interwikisource=en&format=xml&interwikititle=(article title)&namespace=0&fullhistory&token=(token I got from another bit of code)
[01:58:05] <Hersfold>	that'd be weird
[01:58:21] <Hersfold>	but then if that's the case, it should have worked before encoding them
[01:58:23] <Splarka>	hmm
[01:58:50] <Splarka>	did you get the token from like: http://test.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=info&intoken=import&titles=Foobarbaz ?
[01:58:50] <Hersfold>	it might be that application/ thing you mentioned, but I'm not sure how to specify that
[01:58:59] <Hersfold>	yes
[01:59:30] <Hersfold>	that's (domain)/w/api.php?action=query&format=xml&prop=info&intoken=import&titles=(article)
[01:59:49] <Splarka>	try sending it to http://www.cs.tut.fi/cgi-bin/run/~jkorpela/echo.cgi
[01:59:58] <Splarka>	should give back:
[01:59:59] <Splarka>	token	d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e+\
[02:00:02] <Splarka>	among other things
[02:00:09] <Hersfold>	sending what?
[02:00:22] <Splarka>	your data, that's a submitted form echoer
[02:00:37] <Splarka>	good for debugging 
[02:00:51] <Hersfold>	oh, the POST query?
[02:00:54] <Splarka>	yah
[02:01:07] <Hersfold>	ok, lemme try to set it up
[02:01:26] <Splarka>	are you a sysop on test.wp?
[02:01:33] <Hersfold>	my bot is, yes
[02:01:50] <Hersfold>	it works manually, through Special:Import
[02:02:08] <Splarka>	ahh k, just making sure, because the API has some permission bugs, where it will report unknown actions or bad parameters rather than permission errors
[02:02:50] <Hersfold>	don't worry, I've already been throught the permission thing. :-) I wasn't sending in cookies with the request, so it was acting like I was logged out
[02:03:00] *Hersfold 	is new to the bot thing
[02:03:13] *Splarka 	tries an import
[02:05:38] <Splarka>	hmm
[02:05:49] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) allow exporting via the api for much more flexible page choice - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17871 trivial; Normal; MediaWiki: API; (jidanni)
[02:07:11] <Splarka>	Hersfold: works for me, but I used slightly different options
[02:07:39] <Splarka>	for one thing, I used "interwikipage" instead of "interwikititle"
[02:08:08] <Splarka>	other trivial diffs: didn't use format=xml, didn't use &fullhistory
[02:08:34] <Splarka>	this is what I did: http://p.defau.lt/?6dgxTqIx5lYlboi6uTTFxA
[02:11:15] <Hersfold>	I'll try interwikipage in just a moment
[02:11:50] <Hersfold>	it looks like it's taking in the token correctly
[02:12:12] *Hersfold 	tries changing the options
[02:13:22] <Hersfold>	failed again
[02:13:50] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r48203 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/CodeRevisionView.php: 
[02:13:50] <CIA-60>	* Type safety
[02:13:50] <CIA-60>	* Fix img url for historical deleted items
[02:14:15] <Hersfold>	I think &fullhistory is necessary - otherwise it'll only import the current revision
[02:14:29] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) api could emit in format RSS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17872 trivial; Normal; MediaWiki: API; (jidanni)
[02:17:21] <Splarka>	Hersfold: right, but try it with just fullhistory to see if it works for you
[02:17:43] <Splarka>	also possibly try the exact options you're sending, via HTML in a <form> like I did
[02:17:50] <Splarka>	(while logged in as a sysop)
[02:18:09] <Hersfold>	I don't know how to do that
[02:18:27] <JinX|Oo>	Anyone know of a good tutorial on editing MediaWiki skins?
[02:18:31] <Splarka>	http://p.defau.lt/?6dgxTqIx5lYlboi6uTTFxA  paste that to a .html file, open it in your browser
[02:18:44] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skinning
[02:19:25] <JinX|Oo>	thanks
[02:19:36] <JinX|Oo>	is it a good tutorial?
[02:21:30] <Splarka>	no idea, I got it from !skins ^_^
[02:21:38] <JinX|Oo>	ah k
[02:21:53] <JinX|Oo>	I wish there were a skinning program
[02:22:04] <JinX|Oo>	i'm suprised that no one has made one yet
[02:23:19] <Hersfold>	I keep getting "badtoken"
[02:23:36] <Hersfold>	no matter what I put into that form, it's the same result
[02:23:52] <JinX|Oo>	it must be a bad token
[02:24:11] <Hersfold>	thank you, JinX, for stating the obvious
[02:24:17] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Mention adding "g" on api.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17873 trivial; Normal; MediaWiki: API; (jidanni)
[02:28:14] <Splarka>	Hersfold: even via HTML? hmm
[02:28:23] <Hersfold>	yeah. that's what's really confusing me
[02:28:45] <Hersfold>	something I'm missing in my code I can understand, but using the same form you're using I'm confused
[02:29:17] <Hersfold>	I tried it with +\, %2b\, and %2b%5c at the end. all three failed
[02:29:46] <Splarka>	and it is a fresh token gotten from intoken=import?
[02:29:47] <Splarka>	hmm
[02:29:59] <Splarka>	if you query intoken=import a few times in a row does it change?
[02:30:18] <Hersfold>	yes. I got a fresh token after each attempt
[02:30:32] <Hersfold>	hang on, one second
[02:30:39] <Splarka>	okay, so your session seems to die fast
[02:30:49] <Hersfold>	I may be doing this stupidly
[02:32:08] <Hersfold>	ah. yeah, I was doing it stupidly
[02:32:43] <Hersfold>	I think the problem might be that I'm letting the session die when using the bot. I'll try disabling the lag between them
[02:33:47] <Hersfold>	no, that didn't help...
[02:34:06] <awaynomie>	Hersfold- you're not re-logging-in for each api call, are you?
[02:34:29] <Splarka>	anomie: the weird part is it doesn't work via <form> either, so... juju?
[02:34:44] <Hersfold>	Splarka: I got it to work by form, I was doing something stupid
[02:34:51] <Splarka>	ahh, what was that?
[02:35:08] <Hersfold>	I was using the bot to get the token and then the browser to submit the form (facepalm)
[02:35:17] <Hersfold>	when I used the browser for both it worked
[02:35:39] <Splarka>	session then, answered anomie's question? ^_^
[02:35:44] <Hersfold>	it's probably that it thinks I'm not using the same session
[02:36:52] <Hersfold>	my code uses one function to get the token. but then to submit the request, I have to send it cookies to show that I am logged in
[02:37:14] <Hersfold>	because the request is using a different bit of code than what I use to get the token
[02:40:38] <Hersfold>	anomie, do you know java?
[02:40:52] <anomie>	Hersfold- some
[02:41:21] <Hersfold>	ok, I'm going to try pastebinning some stuff
[02:45:23] <Hersfold>	http://pastebin.com/d51a1fd22 - it's kind of a lot, but that contains the function that does the import and the two functions that do the token query
[02:47:23] <Hersfold>	although actually I'm not sure how those would be any different
[02:58:18] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) "name" attributes get removed by server - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17874 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[02:58:20] <Hersfold>	I don't understand why this isn't working
[03:03:42] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) The file logo on a file description page for documents (PDFs) is not linking to the file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17875 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: File/Repo; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[03:03:50] <Hersfold>	OOH
[03:04:02] <Hersfold>	I think I just got it to work - I was giving it the wrong set of cookies
[03:06:09] <anomie>	Hersfold- so you got it figured out then?
[03:06:28] <Hersfold>	I think so... now the problem is it's only importing one revision instead of the full history
[03:07:07] <Splarka>	I just did one rev as a test, the &fullhistory should work
[03:07:10] <Hersfold>	the manual just says I need to include &fullhistory - wouldn't that need to be &fullhistory=true or something?
[03:07:12] <Splarka>	and if not, use &fullhistory=1
[03:07:16] <Hersfold>	yeah
[03:07:17] <Splarka>	depends
[03:07:29] <Splarka>	in GET it works fine as &fullhistory, but sometimes in post it doesn't
[03:07:39] <Hersfold>	ok, I'll try messing with it
[03:08:01] <Hersfold>	worst thing that'll happen is I get an unknown error, which won't necessarily be a bad thing
[03:10:25] <Hersfold>	yep, it was &fullhistory=1
[03:10:33] <Hersfold>	awesome! thanks for your help, guys. :-)
[03:15:09] <Splarka>	rars
[03:39:32] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Enable FlaggedRevs custom configuration on Portuguese Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16365  +comment (10lugusto)
[03:53:23] <Cokemonkey11_>	Does anyone know how to bypass a router's userlogs? A friend of mine can't use the internet at night because his dad checks the routers logs.
[03:58:40] <OverlordQ>	dont use the router
[03:58:55] <UsamaAkkad>	hi, what is the best way to convert bbcode page to a wiki page
[04:01:14] <Cokemonkey11_>	OverlordQ, that was an option, he's going to buy a wireless card so he can connect to his neighbors, but do you know of any other way?
[04:03:14] <OverlordQ>	dont use the internet
[04:05:06] <jayvdb>	its broken?
[04:06:23] <Cokemonkey11_>	OverlordQ, I got help on a different channel. The best way is to use a mac address changer for your own reference, thank you though.
[04:06:31] <OverlordQ>	well this is #mediawiki
[04:06:37] <OverlordQ>	entirely unrelated to anything you're asking about
[04:08:35] <Cokemonkey11_>	boxee, winehq, and linuxmint are also unrelated to changing mac addresses, but i was asking anon for a reason. If you don't know don't answer.
[04:09:32] <OverlordQ>	besides it's not like the dad is going to go "Oh look must be neighbors stealing our internet" and since he seems smart enough to set ACLs and monitor usage I think they'll think something strange is going on when a magical new MAC addy shows up
[04:10:24] <OverlordQ>	silly kids
[04:18:38] <Daedalus969>	and now I need to go
[04:19:32] <UsamaAkkad>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:BBCodeSyntax can I test it with greasmonkey ?
[04:40:43] <NightKev>	Okay, I'm having a problem with image uploads. Whenever anyone uploads an image, it says "The file you uploaded seems to be empty. This might be due to a typo in the file name. Please check whether you really want to upload this file." even when I know that the image in fact exists and contains data... and this only happens with images uploaded from a computer; using the "upload from another website" feature works perfectly
[05:01:21] <Wateva>	mornign.
[05:01:28] <Wateva>	i'm in a bit of problem here.
[05:02:00] <Wateva>	even tho my user is a wiki admin, I can't really change other users preferences.
[05:02:14] <Wateva>	such as making them bureaucrat or sysop.
[05:02:21] <Wateva>	what should I do?
[05:02:41] <p858snake>	they need to a bureaucrat to assign permissions
[05:03:31] <Wateva>	I should be admin, but it seems I'm not... 
[05:03:53] <Wateva>	I'm on the wiki through SSH, so I can change anything, is there something I can change?
[05:04:37] <OverlordQ>	add your admin user to the 'crat group
[05:05:53] <Wateva>	defaultsettings?
[05:06:25] <Wateva>	it's on default. everything. the only thing I've ever changed was removing the editing rights for "user"..
[05:06:29] <OverlordQ>	no, you shouldn't ever have to edit that file.
[05:06:44] <OverlordQ>	shouldn't period
[05:06:56] <Wateva>	so, what should I do? just reinstall?
[05:07:15] <OverlordQ>	changing settings goes into LocalSettings.php
[05:09:05] <Wateva>	$wgGroupPermissions['user']['edit'] = false;
[05:09:07] <Wateva>	$wgGroupPermissions['bureaucrat']['edit'] = true;
[05:09:09] <Wateva>	$wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['edit'] = true;
[05:09:17] <Wateva>	my mistake.. I've changed the localsettings.
[05:10:07] <Wateva>	still, my user doesn't have access to change other user settings. :(
[05:10:52] <Wateva>	how can I recreate the user list?
[05:11:07] <Wateva>	(just trash everything and set me up as admin)
[05:11:31] <OverlordQ>	login to MySQL: UPDATE user SET user_rights='bureaucrat,sysop' WHERE user_name='The Username';
[05:11:36] <OverlordQ>	ymmv
[05:15:22] <NightKev>	k so, I'm going to re-ask this since aparently no one saw the question from ~40 mins ago <_>
[05:15:23] <NightKev>	Okay, I'm having a problem with image uploads. Whenever anyone uploads an image, it says "The file you uploaded seems to be empty. This might be due to a typo in the file name. Please check whether you really want to upload this file." even when I know that the image in fact exists and contains data... and this only happens with images uploaded from a computer; using the "upload from another website" feature works perfectly
[05:16:01] <OverlordQ>	that is a catch-22 kinda, you need crat rights to change user levels (by default) and also by default there is no crat user
[05:16:23] <OverlordQ>	should be an option in the installer imo, add to 'crat group too
[05:19:22] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) No bureaucrat user by default - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17876 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Installation; (overlordq)
[05:21:34] <p858snake>	i'm sure the default user a/c has 'crat rights...
[05:21:59] <OverlordQ>	no
[05:22:05] <OverlordQ>	not ona default install
[05:22:24] <OverlordQ>	well lemme be sure lol :)
[05:24:56] <OverlordQ>	nope
[05:31:11] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) No bureaucrat user by default - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17876  +comment (10overlordq)
[05:31:27] <OverlordQ>	tried with a clean db and it did do it :( coulda sworn it didn't do that in the non-recent past
[05:32:59] <NightKev>	a chat room full of >170 people and no one knows what might cause a problem with the wiki's uploader? :<
[05:33:56] <OverlordQ>	permissions problem?
[05:34:07] <NightKev>	shouldn
[05:34:09] <NightKev>	't be
[05:34:26] <NightKev>	uploads are enabled, i'm a bureaucrat+sysop
[05:34:40] <NightKev>	it just says the file is "empty"
[05:34:50] <OverlordQ>	not user permissions, file system permissions
[05:34:55] <NightKev>	oh
[05:34:58] <NightKev>	well
[05:35:09] <NightKev>	possibly..
[05:35:20] <NightKev>	i'll double check, but I think there weren't any problems with that before
[05:36:56] <p858snake>	make sure you have the correct permissions on your upload directory and the correct directory is defined in your localsettings file
[05:39:59] <NightKev>	nope, it's not that
[05:45:40] <NightKev>	write permissions for the /images/ directory are 777
[05:47:57] <Wateva>	images??
[05:48:06] <Wateva>	Set the /images folder (or the /uploads folder in previous versions) to have permission "755":
[05:48:12] <slakr>	developer needed
[05:48:16] <slakr>	it's very, very urgent.
[05:48:33] <Splarka>	werdna was around earlier
[05:48:36] <slakr>	someone who can sync
[05:48:54] <NightKev>	Wateva: i set it to 777 to make sure it wasn't that causing the problem
[05:49:00] <OverlordQ>	how about an enwp admin?
[05:49:16] <Wateva>	^^ NightKev, you can, but it isn't safe.. ;)
[05:49:52] <NightKev>	no worries i was monitoring the folder :P
[05:49:57] <NightKev>	i set it back to 755 anyway
[05:49:58] <NightKev>	after the test
[05:50:04] <slakr>	OverlordQ: heh, I'd do it myself if that's all I needed. :P
[05:50:15] <OverlordQ>	no, really need an enwp admin 
[05:50:17] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Usernames containing a : cannot be blocked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17877 blocker; Normal; MediaWiki: Blocking; (FastLizard4)
[05:50:35] <OverlordQ>	guess not re that bug
[05:50:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Usernames containing a : cannot be blocked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17877  normal->highest (10FastLizard4)
[05:51:12] <slakr>	joyous.
[05:51:21] <Ladonna>	blocker; Normal?
[05:51:34] <OverlordQ>	severity/importance
[05:51:59] <Ladonna>	Blocker should simply be removed. It's never used correctly.
[05:52:26] <Splarka>	the importance field is totally ignored
[05:52:32] <Splarka>	but it should be restored to the submit field
[05:52:46] <Splarka>	because otherwise people just go set after the fact, like ^ that
[05:53:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Usernames containing a namespace alias cannot be blocked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17877  04BLOCKER->major; highest->high; summary; +comment (10public)
[05:53:32] <Ladonna>	Looks like wikibugs has more bugs, by the way.
[05:53:52] <Wateva>	I'm "trashing" the original wiki but I'm keeping the old one to copy some of the text on it. How can I change the default folder for the old install (it was /wiki/ and now its /wikii/)
[05:55:30] <Wateva>	when I try to access the old one, it still trying to grab /wiki/ parts instead of only /wikii/
[05:59:17] <NightKev>	ok well, if i can't fix the error, can i make the wiki bypass that specific check/verification?
[06:08:09] *Lady_Aleena 	sets out cookies on the table for everyone.
[06:13:34] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r48204 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/ (CodeReview.i18n.php CodeRevisionView.php): Fix img diffs with ajax enabled
[06:15:19] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) User names starting in WP: are unblockable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17878 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Blocking; (rohde)
[06:15:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Usernames containing a namespace alias cannot be blocked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17877  +comment (10p858snake)
[06:16:17] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r48205 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/CodeReview.i18n.php: silly typo
[06:16:19] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) User names starting in WP: are unblockable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17878  +comment (10p858snake)
[06:16:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Usernames containing a namespace alias cannot be blocked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17877  +comment (10p858snake)
[06:18:20] <Wateva>	well.. it seems that changing only LocalSettings.php from /wiki/ to /wikii/ doesn't quite work..
[06:18:46] <Wateva>	Failed opening required 'ProfilerStub.php' (include_path='.:/var/virtual/www.tibiaauto.net/wikii:/var/virtual/www.tibiaauto.net/wikii/includes:/var/virtual/www.??????????????/wikii/languages') in /var/virtual/www.?????????????/wikii/includes/Setup.php on line 41
[06:20:13] <Wateva>	what should I do??
[06:23:45] <Wateva>	help?
[06:34:04] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) RevisionDelete global log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17444  +comment (10jayvdb)
[06:37:15] <Wateva>	damn.. Fatal error: Unsupported operand types in /var/virtual/www.tibiaauto.net/wikii/includes/OutputPage.php on line 317
[06:37:25] <Wateva>	how can I solve this?? help?
[06:43:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RevisionDelete global log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17444  (10JSchulz_4587)
[07:00:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RevisionDelete global log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17444  (10jayvdb)
[07:07:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RevisionDelete global log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17444  (10JSchulz_4587)
[07:09:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RevisionDelete global log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17444  (10jayvdb)
[07:21:42] <UsamaAkkad>	any one knows a good bbcode to mediawiki converter ?
[07:29:58] <omnivibe>	I'm getting an arror - "1030: Got error 134 from storage engine (localhost)". - http://cojs.org/cojswiki/, version 1.11.0
[07:32:44] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) AuthPlugin allows the creation of locally forbidden names. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17879 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: User login/settings; (rohde)
[07:35:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) AuthPlugin allows the creation of locally forbidden names. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17879  (10p858snake)
[07:39:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Usernames containing a namespace alias cannot be blocked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17877  (10rohde)
[07:46:03] <Nikerabbit>	hi Raymond_
[07:46:14] <Raymond_>	morning Nikerabbit 
[07:46:29] <Nikerabbit>	mohr
[07:50:34] <wikibugs>	03(RESOLVED) Please remove Simplified Chinese from Traditional before 1.14.1 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17859  +comment (10bugzilla.wikimedia)
[08:00:15] <omnivibe>	is there a place to read logs of the thing which caused the last crash?
[08:26:17] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) RevisionDelete global log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17444  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[08:50:52] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r48206 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/CentralAuthHooks.php: Partial revert of r47518, which had an unrelated patch mixed in
[08:52:17] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r48207 10/trunk/phase3/includes/parser/Parser.php: Don't show deleted user names
[08:54:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) No validity checks for auto-created accounts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17877  summary; +comment (10Andrew)
[08:54:21] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add various things to MediaWiki namespace, such as Skin names, etc. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17880 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (mvdRoehe)
[08:57:17] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r48208 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Article.php: Made getContributors() check DELETED_USER
[09:01:29] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) No validity checks for auto-created accounts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17877  (10Andrew)
[09:08:15] <Pathoschild>	werdna: You had a tool up to search MediaWiki functions, right?
[09:08:55] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r48209 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiQueryDeletedrevs.php: quick fix: add WHERE ar_deleted = 0. Nicer would be to make revision objects from the rows like queryRevisions does.
[09:09:12] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special:Log/suppress needs better error handling - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17881 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (public)
[09:11:12] <Splarka>	http://mwref.werdn.us/ ?
[09:13:17] <Pathoschild>	Splarka: Yep, thanks.
[09:18:40] <werdna>	Pathoschild: mwref.werdn.us
[09:18:50] <Pathoschild>	Merci.
[09:19:11] <Pathoschild>	(Very useful. :) )
[09:22:02] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r48210 10/trunk/phase3/includes/EditPage.php: Made getLastDelete() handle log_deleted
[09:24:42] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Database dump processes halted since 26-Feb-09 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17535  +comment (10andreasmeier80)
[09:39:20] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r48211 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/CentralAuthHooks.php: (bug 17877) Check for validity of usernames before allowing them to be auto-created on view by CentralAuth.
[09:41:39] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) No validity checks for auto-created accounts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17877  +comment (10Andrew)
[09:42:03] <werdna>	hmm, probably worth live-merging that fix.
[09:47:47] <Ladonna>	werdna: Erm... you seem to have hijacked that bug.
[09:47:58] <Ladonna>	The issue is that usernames like WP:Foo can't be blocked at all.
[09:48:12] <Ladonna>	Is that fixed?
[09:48:43] <werdna>	they're invalid usernames
[09:48:56] <Ladonna>	They can be created.
[09:49:22] <Ladonna>	And used to edit...
[09:49:39] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ListUsers/WP8
[09:50:18] <werdna>	um, no they can't
[09:50:41] <Ladonna>	How were all of those accounts created?
[09:51:20] <werdna>	Specifying the username WP:Oh dear, I shouldn't be able to create this account gives me 
[09:51:23] <werdna>	Specifying the username WP:Oh dear, I shouldn't be able to create this account gives me Login error
[09:51:26] <werdna>	You have not specified a valid user name. 
[09:51:30] <werdna>	Ladonna: THROUGH THE BUG I JUST FIXED
[09:52:07] <Ladonna>	The bug was about blocking the accounts.
[09:52:35] <p858snake>	Ladonna: try entering #<USERIDNUMBER> in the username feild for the block, that might work. iirc you can do that for invalid names on the global block system
[09:52:35] <werdna>	Yes, but the underlying issue is that the accounts should not have been creatable.
[09:52:44] <werdna>	Therefore I fixed that bug
[09:53:02] <Ladonna>	That wasn't the bug... until you hijacked it.
[09:53:10] <werdna>	The blocking code made assumptions about usernames that should always be correct.
[09:53:20] <werdna>	i.e. that only valid usernames can be created.
[09:53:27] <Ladonna>	The blocking code failed spectacularly.
[09:53:37] <Ladonna>	When you try to block WP:Foo, it blocks Foo.
[09:53:39] <werdna>	so instead of letting people block invalid usernames, I elected to prevent people from creating invalid usernames.
[09:53:46] <werdna>	Yes, it's a totally reasonable assumption
[09:53:57] <werdna>	because it assumes that the usernames do not have ambiguous interwiki prefixes.
[09:54:03] <Splarka>	how about the existing usernames starting with aliases that aren't yet renamed or blocked?
[09:54:05] <werdna>	it's designed to allow input of User:X to block X
[09:54:06] <Ladonna>	It's not an interwiki prefix.
[09:54:08] <Splarka>	can they still edit?
[09:54:17] <werdna>	s/interwiki/namespace/
[09:54:29] <werdna>	yes, but feel free to send the account names my way and I'll deal with them
[09:54:37] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ListUsers/WP8
[09:54:49] <Splarka>	and any username on any project that matches a namespace alias
[09:55:15] <werdna>	I bet they're mostly blocked
[09:55:26] <Splarka>	there is also [[User:Image:101.jpeg]] on en.wp
[09:55:56] <UsamaAkkad>	any one knows about bbcode to wiki converter?
[09:56:32] <werdna>	They won't be able to log in
[09:56:32] <werdna>		 * Usernames which fail to pass this function will be blocked
[09:56:33] <werdna>		 * from user login and new account registrations, but may be used
[09:56:37] <werdna>			if ( !self::isValidUserName( $name ) ) {
[09:56:37] <werdna>				return false;
[09:56:38] <werdna>			}
[09:57:20] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r48212 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/ (archives/patch-user_hidden.sql tables.sql updaters.inc): Add user_hidden field to complement ipb_deleted and gu_hidden
[09:57:28] <Splarka>	hmm, does that prevent actual login, or usage of the already-logged-in session you get with global cookies?
[09:59:08] *werdna 	shrugs
[09:59:10] <werdna>	cbb to check
[09:59:20] <werdna>	it doesn't matter
[09:59:37] <werdna>	the latter is fixed with my live-hacked patch
[10:01:13] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r48213 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (api/ApiQueryBlocks.php specials/SpecialIpblocklist.php): Fix check against wrong permission (should be 'hideuser')
[10:01:34] <Splarka>	poor bug, prematurely killed in the blossom of nymphhood
[10:19:20] <jez9999>	The text at the bottom of articles - X people have visited this page
[10:19:30] <jez9999>	is there a way to get that to display for admins but not anyone else?
[10:23:22] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Dutch month names empty on SMW displays - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17882 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (Lloyd.Rutledge)
[10:32:30] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) allow exporting via the api for much more flexible page choice - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17871  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[10:33:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) api could emit in format RSS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17872  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[10:37:01] <CIA-60>	03catrope * r48214 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiQuery.php: API: (bug 17873) Mention the 'g' prefix for generator parameters in the api.php help
[10:37:05] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Mention adding "g" on api.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17873  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[10:39:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add RSS feed as full-blown format to the API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17872  summary; +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[10:44:50] <CIA-60>	03catrope * r48215 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ (3 files): API: Change Image: to File: in examples
[10:50:14] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) api.php Main Page examples might not exist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17870  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[11:00:27] <CIA-60>	03catrope * r48216 10/trunk/phase3/includes/diff/DifferenceEngine.php: (bug 17863) Fix regression from r47890 that broke Show changes on the edit form; do this by skipping over revision loading as well as text loading when custom texts are set using setText()
[11:00:33] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) "Show changes" broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17863  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[11:01:34] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Allow wgGroupPermissions control of view counters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17883 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (mediazilla)
[11:08:02] <Lawbringer>	hello mediawiki peeps, i noticed that 1.6 is/has been updated but there isn't any docs for upgrading from 1.6.10 to 1.6.12 or is there?
[11:10:49] <Duesentrieb>	it's the same procedure as any update.
[11:11:07] <Duesentrieb>	though generally, for a minor version update, you only have to replace the code files.
[11:11:33] <Duesentrieb>	but to be on the safe side, always run maintenance/upgrade.php
[11:11:46] <Duesentrieb>	and don't forget to make a backup
[11:12:29] <Lawbringer>	is there a howto? i couldn't find one online
[11:13:00] <Lawbringer>	i DL the patch.gz but i don't think thats what i wanted
[11:39:50] <RoanKattouw>	!upgrade | Lawbringer 
[11:39:50] --mwbot--	Lawbringer: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading
[11:41:02] <RoanKattouw>	WTF, mwbot2 doesn't seem to be logging
[11:44:21] <Lawbringer>	thats RoanKattouw
[11:48:23] <Nikerabbit>	RoanKattouw: haha
[11:49:20] <Nikerabbit>	loading message cache (which is done like for almost all requests) for api help page (which is used how often) could be a performance problem?
[11:50:03] <RoanKattouw>	heh
[11:50:20] <RoanKattouw>	It may not sound like a big deal, but don't underestimate it
[11:50:40] <RoanKattouw>	The message cache is loaded for all index.php requests that actually make it past Squid, which is like 2% IIRC
[11:50:51] <RoanKattouw>	But api.php requests aren't cached at all
[11:52:10] <RoanKattouw>	And it would be pointless if all hits to the help page and all errors in pretty-print formats (which also print the help page) would hit the message cache for just one message
[11:52:31] <RoanKattouw>	while there's not all that much of a benefit, considering the examples use stuff like Foo, Bar, Alice and Bob all over the place
[11:52:55] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r48217 10/trunk/extensions/GlobalBlocking/SpecialGlobalBlockStatus.php: Fix trim() in r48105
[11:52:57] <Shadowdancer>	if I am e.g. at https://localhost/students/Main_Page and get links like "https://localhost/wiki/NetBeans", then where does the "wiki" path element come from?
[11:53:32] <Shadowdancer>	more important, how do I replace it with "students"?
[11:53:56] <p858snake>	did you orginally install it in the wiki or student folder?
[11:54:01] <Shadowdancer>	no
[11:54:23] <Shadowdancer>	but $wgScriptPath is set to "/students"
[11:54:49] <Nikerabbit>	RoanKattouw: why aren't they cached then?
[11:54:53] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r48218 10/trunk/extensions/CategoryTree/CategoryTree.php: Bump style version
[11:55:10] <RoanKattouw>	Shadowdancer: $wgArticlePath ?
[11:55:12] <Shadowdancer>	I am aliasing the students directory to somewhere outside the DocumentRoot in Apache
[11:55:33] <Shadowdancer>	RoanKattouw:  $wgArticlePath      = "$wgScriptPath/$1";
[11:55:33] <RoanKattouw>	Nikerabbit: api.php requests? They're never cached because they're dynamic. I suppose the help page could be cached though
[11:59:47] <dergringo>	Hi. How do I configure wikimedia 1.7 to accept SQL files for uploads?
[12:00:09] <flyingparchment>	1.7?  hope that's a private wiki
[12:00:19] <dergringo>	that's debian etch :)
[12:00:27] <flyingparchment>	figures
[12:01:13] <Shadowdancer>	1.7 beh newfangled stuff.
[12:01:21] *Shadowdancer 	is in the process of updating from 1.5.8
[12:01:43] <dergringo>	I don't understand a word :)
[12:03:12] <Duesentrieb>	dergringo: $wgFileExtensions[] = "sql"; that should do it.
[12:03:44] <dergringo>	Duesentrieb, I already tried that: $wgFileExtensions = array( 'png', 'gif', 'jpg', 'jpeg', 'mwb', 'sql' );
[12:03:51] <Duesentrieb>	dergringo: 1.7 is past EOL though. Perhaps debian considers it stable, we consider it deprecated. it may have known security issues that remain unpatched.
[12:04:03] <Duesentrieb>	dergringo: and then what happens?
[12:04:08] <flyingparchment>	in theory debian are meant to fix those issues
[12:04:17] <Duesentrieb>	yea. do they?
[12:04:29] <dergringo>	Duesentrieb, I'm getting an Error (German): Die Datei ist besch�digt oder hat einen falschen Namen. Bitte �berpr�fen Sie die Datei und laden Sie sie erneut hoch.
[12:05:01] <Duesentrieb>	dergringo: it's probably detected as text/plain
[12:05:14] <Duesentrieb>	dergringo: try adding the sql extension for that mine type
[12:05:15] <Duesentrieb>	!mime
[12:05:15] --mwbot--	For assistance in configuring mime type detection on MediaWiki, please consult < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Mime_type_detection >
[12:05:35] <Duesentrieb>	you can also enable the debug log to see what the mime detection actually does
[12:05:49] <Duesentrieb>	!debug#
[12:05:49] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "debug#".
[12:05:52] <Duesentrieb>	!debug
[12:05:52] --mwbot--	For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_debug>.
[12:08:32] <dergringo>	Why does wm need to know the mimetype? I don't care about this since this is a protected wiki and everyone should be able to upload everything.
[12:09:07] <flyingparchment>	i thought you could disable that
[12:09:12] <Duesentrieb>	yes you can
[12:09:13] <dergringo>	$wgVerifyMimeType = false;
[12:09:16] <dergringo>	got it
[12:10:18] <dergringo>	works! Thank you.
[12:10:41] <dergringo>	Hmm now I wonder by your comments if wm may be insecure on etch
[12:12:22] <flyingparchment>	dergringo: check the list of recent (and not so recent, since 1.7 is *very* old) security releases on mediawiki-announce, and see if there's a DAS for them
[12:17:15] <dergringo>	1.12 on lenny
[12:18:05] <Cynical>	How do I get a page to change name under a category?
[12:18:05] <Shadowdancer>	RoanKattouw: I just moved the "wiki" directory to "wikiblubb" and changed the server config and set $IP properly. It works, but still spits out /wiki/... paths
[12:19:00] <dergringo>	scriptPtah
[12:19:04] <dergringo>	Path
[12:19:26] <Duesentrieb>	Cynical: how do you mean "under a category"
[12:19:39] <Shadowdancer>	dergringo: that's set to "/students"
[12:20:06] <Duesentrieb>	Shadowdancer: $wgScriptPath and possible also $wgArticlePath, depending on your setup.
[12:20:23] <Shadowdancer>	Duesentrieb: they are set properly as far as I can see
[12:20:42] <Duesentrieb>	shortc|desk: $wgScriptPath *must* be set to the web path of the drectory tha contains the index.php file 
[12:20:47] <Shadowdancer>	there is nothing in LocalSettings suggesting /wiki/ in any path
[12:20:47] <Cynical>	I have a page that I link to as [[refs:sig|Signature]] and when I add it to the references category it shows it under S as Refs:Sig. I don't want it to say Refs:Sig in the category page. I just want it to say Signature.
[12:21:54] <Shadowdancer>	Duesentrieb: it is
[12:22:21] <Duesentrieb>	Shadowdancer: good then. where exactly do you see pathes that contain /wiki/?
[12:22:36] <Duesentrieb>	perhaps these are links that have been coded as absolute URLs in side the wiki?
[12:22:44] <Shadowdancer>	Duesentrieb: original question when coming here was: if I am e.g. at https://localhost/students/Main_Page and get links like "https://localhost/wiki/NetBeans", then where does the "wiki" path element come from?
[12:23:52] <Duesentrieb>	wgArticlePath
[12:23:53] <Shadowdancer>	Duesentrieb: no, they are [[wiki links]]
[12:24:03] <Shadowdancer>	$wgArticlePath      = "$wgScriptPath/$1";
[12:24:30] <RoanKattouw>	Shadowdancer: Are you sure those $wgArticlePath and $wgScriptPath settings aren't being overridden elsewhere in LocalSettings.php?
[12:24:53] <Duesentrieb>	also... "$wgScriptPath/$1" sounds qrong.
[12:24:56] <Duesentrieb>	*wrong.
[12:25:08] <RoanKattouw>	Doesn't sound wrong to me
[12:25:26] <RoanKattouw>	Oh wait, yes, it does
[12:25:34] <Duesentrieb>	$wgArticlePath      = "$wgScript/$1";
[12:25:39] <RoanKattouw>	It's correct if you're using some crazy short URL scheme that we recommend against
[12:25:39] <Duesentrieb>	that would be right for pathinfo style urls
[12:25:45] <Duesentrieb>	he isn't using those, though
[12:26:09] <RoanKattouw>	Shadowdancer: It seems /students is the virtual path for your pretty URLs, but what is the path to index.php ?
[12:26:11] <Duesentrieb>	Shadowdancer: you are either looking at the wroing file, or these variables are overwritte further down
[12:26:21] <Duesentrieb>	your setup doesn't make any sense the way you presented it.
[12:27:02] <RoanKattouw>	!rewriteproblems
[12:27:02] --mwbot--	1) Try <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/wiki/Page_title_--_no_root_access> as a fail-safe method; 2) Do not put the files into the document root; 3) Do not map the pages into the document root; 4) Use different, non-overlapping paths for real files and virtual pages; 5) Do not set a RewriteBase; 6) Put all rules into the .htaccess file in the document root.
[12:27:04] <Shadowdancer>	there are only variable assignments afterwards
[12:27:24] <RoanKattouw>	Oh wait
[12:27:37] <RoanKattouw>	Those links are stuck in the parser cache *facepalm*
[12:27:53] <RoanKattouw>	Shadowdancer: Go to the page those wrong links appear on, and edit them. (just add a comment or something)
[12:28:24] <Shadowdancer>	grrrrr.
[12:28:38] <Shadowdancer>	OK, how do I nuke the complete cache in a most painful way?
[12:28:59] <CyberShadow>	what are the reasons for rules 2 to 4
[12:29:03] <CyberShadow>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual_talk:Short_URL#What.27s_with_all_the_.22hate.22_for_example.com.2FPage_title_.3F
[12:29:14] <Duesentrieb>	the parser cache should be invaliodated automatically whenever you edit the config file
[12:29:46] <Duesentrieb>	CyberShadow: formally: namespace corruption. practically: inaccessible files and general confusion
[12:29:52] <RoanKattouw>	CyberShadow: The reason for 2) is robots.txt and api.php
[12:30:07] <CyberShadow>	you can have exceptions in your rewrite rules for those...
[12:30:08] <Duesentrieb>	...and FAQ...
[12:30:11] <RoanKattouw>	And for 3 and 4 too
[12:30:15] <Shadowdancer>	Duesentrieb: you mean like the LocalSettings.php that I edited every 30 seconds and which was moved to a completely different directory?
[12:30:30] <CyberShadow>	read the comment I linked to (I left it there last year)
[12:30:34] <Duesentrieb>	CyberShadow: yes. and you habe to hunt for all the exteptiosn you need, with each new release. it's possible. it' strongly recommended against.
[12:30:41] <RoanKattouw>	CyberShadow: Yes, you could, but that means certain wiki pages become inaccessible. Pages called [[robots.txt]] become a pain in the ass to delete
[12:31:03] <CyberShadow>	it also makes URLs longer than necessary
[12:31:20] <Duesentrieb>	Shadowdancer: yes. unless you don't have the magic lines that do that. do you see $wgCacheEpoch = max( $wgCacheEpoch, $configdate ); ?
[12:31:21] <RoanKattouw>	CyberShadow: You didn't include api.php in your list, bot authors are not gonna like you for that ;)
[12:31:47] <Shadowdancer>	Duesentrieb: not in there
[12:31:53] <CyberShadow>	why not just add a generic "if-file-does-not-exist" rule?
[12:32:01] <Duesentrieb>	CyberShadow: that's not a very good argument. *clean* urls are good. which means keepign different things under different pathes.
[12:32:22] <Duesentrieb>	CyberShadow: yes, that is possible too. sucks if you can's have an FAQ in your wiki though, right?
[12:32:35] <RoanKattouw>	CyberShadow: There's supposed to be a line in there that sets $wgCacheEpoch to the last edit time of LocalSettings.php, if that's more recent than $wgCacheEpoch
[12:32:36] <CyberShadow>	Duesentrieb: IIRC, the user will not see any URLs on a wiki other than pages, unless they open the original images from the cache
[12:33:02] <RoanKattouw>	CyberShadow: $wgCacheEpoch = max( $wgCacheEpoch, gmdate( 'YmdHis', @filemtime( __FILE__ ) ) );
[12:33:10] <Duesentrieb>	CyberShadow: right. but pages that have the same name a s a file become Verboten.
[12:33:13] <CyberShadow>	I don't understand why is this relevant
[12:33:22] <RoanKattouw>	Oops, wrong addressee
[12:33:26] <RoanKattouw>	Shadowdancer: $wgCacheEpoch = max( \$wgCacheEpoch, gmdate( 'YmdHis', @filemtime( __FILE__ ) ) );
[12:33:28] <CyberShadow>	yes, but you realize this is not a problem for most wikis?
[12:33:52] <CyberShadow>	unless the wiki is about web design or the MediaWiki software, such collisions are quite unlikely
[12:33:52] <RoanKattouw>	Shadowdancer: Add that --^ to LocalSettings if it's not already there, and the cache will be invalidated whenever LocalSettings is touched
[12:33:59] <Duesentrieb>	CyberShadow: it'S THE number one reason people come in here asking for help with rewrite rules.
[12:34:09] <Duesentrieb>	CyberShadow: which is why it's the the bot's answer.
[12:34:18] <CyberShadow>	then maybe your rewrite rule guides don't make it clear enough how to set them up correctly :)
[12:34:28] <RoanKattouw>	heh, yes, all the stuff in !rewriteproblems (and everything in mwbot's brain in general) is based on experience
[12:34:29] <Duesentrieb>	you are wellcome to shoot yourself in any number of feed
[12:34:40] <Duesentrieb>	feet even
[12:34:50] <RoanKattouw>	...but if you don't follow those guidelines, don't expect our help ;)
[12:35:00] <Nikerabbit>	based on the experience, why don't we just declare disclussion closed and stop wasting time on issue which we have do not support
[12:35:15] <RoanKattouw>	heh, good point
[12:35:16] <Shadowdancer>	RoanKattouw: is the backslash in \$wgCacheEpoch supposed to be there?
[12:35:22] <CyberShadow>	I still don't think it's right to tell users "it's wrong, it's bad, don't do it"... non-ignorant people should be aware of the pros and cons
[12:35:24] <RoanKattouw>	Shadowdancer: No, sorry
[12:35:41] <Shadowdancer>	thanks a lot, RoanKattouw and Duesentrieb
[12:36:03] <Duesentrieb>	CyberShadow: it's the quick recepie to get it working. that's the idea. yes, there are other ways.
[12:36:36] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) morebots IRC bot keeps dying :( - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17807  +comment (10Andrew)
[12:37:28] <CyberShadow>	well, this sounds like "X doesn't work" - "Don't use X" instead of "We don't support X, but if you really want to use it, here's how and what you should know about it"
[12:39:17] <RoanKattouw>	CyberShadow: Don't we have the latter already? Manual:Short_URLs says it's deprecated, but links to guides about it further down
[12:39:34] <^demon>	RoanKattouw: You weren't around the other day when I did r48060 (it's an api bug). Wanted to let you know :)
[12:39:59] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah, I'd seen it
[12:40:07] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r48219 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/AbuseFilter.parser.php: New ip_in_range function
[12:40:14] <RoanKattouw>	Trivial rev
[12:40:23] <^demon>	I figured as much.
[12:41:06] *RoanKattouw 	has to go do a test now
[12:42:13] <CyberShadow>	yeah, but that's not what the bot says :P
[12:42:14] <CyberShadow>	anyway
[12:43:31] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Can't create SMW account - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17884 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (kenth.andersson)
[12:43:45] <CyberShadow>	I came here to ask an unrelated question... I want to host a translation project for short messages and a small number of languages on my wiki, so I thought to put them in a table, with each message and its translation having a separate article (incl. talk page and history)...
[12:44:32] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r48220 10/trunk/extensions/GlobalBlocking/ (3 files): Don't add whitelisting cruft for wikis where local status is not settable.
[12:44:41] <CyberShadow>	is there a way to include a template with a "variable" name - e.g. {{{temp|example}}} including the Translation:Example_ru or something?
[12:44:52] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Whitelisting global blocks on Meta makes no sense - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17828  +comment (10Andrew)
[12:45:42] <Duesentrieb>	CyberShadow: have a look at translatewiki.net and talk to Nikerabbit :)
[12:46:03] <CyberShadow>	yeah, but it's not an open-source project
[12:46:18] <CyberShadow>	(it's not commercial either)
[12:50:35] <Duesentrieb>	CyberShadow: you may be able to use the same extensions, though
[12:50:42] <CyberShadow>	ok, thanks :)
[12:50:47] <Duesentrieb>	anyway... i don't really get your question about a variable template name
[12:50:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Dutch month names empty on SMW displays - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17882  (10Lloyd.Rutledge)
[12:51:00] <Duesentrieb>	this works: {{{{{foo}}}|bla}}
[12:51:47] <CyberShadow>	that should have been {{temp|Example}} in my example above
[12:52:13] <CyberShadow>	I meant, building the names of pages to include from predefined substrings and parameters
[12:52:45] <CyberShadow>	doesn't your example show "bla" if the "foo" parameter is not given?
[12:53:07] <Duesentrieb>	no.
[12:53:30] <Duesentrieb>	it shows the template with the name gioven by {{{foo}}} and passes the parameter "pla" to that template
[12:53:44] <CyberShadow>	ah, that's not really what I meant
[12:53:46] <Duesentrieb>	{{{foo|bla}}} would od what you said.
[12:54:02] <Duesentrieb>	i.e .show "bla" if param foo is not given
[12:54:37] <CyberShadow>	can you make a template so that {{foo|bla}} would include the page "Bar_bla"?
[12:54:56] <Duesentrieb>	sure.
[12:55:13] <Duesentrieb>	the definition of Foo would contain: {{Bar_{{{1}}}}}
[12:55:37] <CyberShadow>	Heh, so simple... thanks :)
[13:05:52] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r48221 10/trunk/extensions/GlobalBlocking/GlobalBlocking.i18n.php: Tweak recently added 'globalblocking-whitelist-notapplied'
[13:05:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Can't create SMW account - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17884  (10markus)
[13:06:00] <GerardM->	CyberShadow ...
[13:06:23] <GerardM->	Why do you think that translatewiki.net is not open source ????
[13:07:42] <kraut>	moin
[13:08:08] <werdna>	hi
[13:09:43] <NetHunter1>	What data from tables do I need to copy if I want to copy some all pages from a certain NS from one DB t oanother?
[13:09:47] <NetHunter1>	werdna: hi
[13:11:07] <wikibugs>	03(CLOSED) Can't create SMW account - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17884  +comment (10kenth.andersson)
[13:13:38] <CIA-60>	03demon * r48222 10/trunk/android-client/ (9 files in 3 dirs): 
[13:13:39] <CIA-60>	* Document pretty much everything so far
[13:13:39] <CIA-60>	* Clean up some code formatting
[13:13:39] <CIA-60>	* Put some proper debug code into SearchPage
[13:15:14] <tobyink>	Hello all, I'm fairly new to MW as an administrator/developer (though long time user of some MW-powered sites). Have a question about extension development.
[13:15:29] <werdna>	sure, fire away
[13:17:24] <tobyink>	What's the cleanest way for an extension to modify the attributes of *external* links? For internal links, the "LinkEnd" hook seems to do the trick. For external I've only been able to find "LinkerMakeExternalLink" which doesn't have access to the makeExternalLink() function's $attribs parameter.
[13:17:54] <tobyink>	So right now, I've just patched Linker.php rather than write a proper extension, but I know that's not the best way of going about things.
[13:18:21] <werdna>	weird
[13:19:01] <werdna>	tempting to just add it to the hook params
[13:19:05] <tobyink>	I take it from that remark that it's not a deliberate design decision?
[13:19:14] <^demon>	werda: I can't see why it wouldn't be a hook param.
[13:20:01] <tobyink>	If we could have it as a hook param for the next release, then I'll happily rewrite as a proper extension.
[13:20:14] <vitozzo>	hi all, I have a problem with mediawiki and URL: if I click on the link http://avoinkoulu.coss.fi/index.php/File:Avoin_koulu-p%C3%B6yt%C3%A4kirja_23022009.odt the page is not loaded correctly, but the character % is interpreted as it is part of the URL and not just the encoded character %C3
[13:20:36] <tobyink>	(The functionality it adds is the ability to specify rel and rev attributes for <a> elements.)
[13:21:26] <werdna>	tobyink: fix committed
[13:21:28] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r48223 10/trunk/phase3/ (docs/hooks.txt includes/Linker.php): Add $attribs as a param to LinkerMakeExternalLink Hook.
[13:21:34] <tobyink>	Excellent!
[13:21:57] <^demon>	werdna: Was doing the same thing. Got a conflict on release notes.
[13:22:32] <werdna>	^demon: I didn't update release-notes
[13:22:37] <werdna>	^demon: want to update them for me? :D
[13:22:43] <^demon>	ok.
[13:23:01] <werdna>	thanks dude :)
[13:23:12] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r48224 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/AbuseFilter.class.php: Appropriate handling of invalid titles and moves with suppressed redirects.
[13:23:48] <CIA-60>	03demon * r48225 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: RELEASE-NOTES for r48223.
[13:24:04] <werdna>	\o/
[13:24:31] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) PHP Warning + Notice in Special:AbuseFilter/test - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17815  +comment (10Andrew)
[13:24:31] <^demon>	tobyink: So in reference to your original question of "is there a way to do this?".... Yes, update to r48223 :)
[13:25:01] *werdna 	curses his hands
[13:25:03] <werdna>	sorrre
[13:34:54] <antitree>	Can someone explain a process of moving a mediawiki page into file format like word or open office?
[13:35:24] <jamasi>	I think oo.o can import MW syntax
[13:35:45] <antitree>	i know oo can export mw but you think import too?
[13:35:58] <jamasi>	yust give it a try
[13:37:06] <antitree>	Are there any XSL style sheets for the export of mediawiki?  
[13:37:21] <^demon>	Nope
[13:39:03] <jamasi>	antitree, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:OpenDocument_Export
[13:40:09] <antitree>	jamasi: oh that looks perfect - thank you!
[13:40:32] <jamasi>	you
[13:40:41] <jamasi>	...'re welcome
[13:43:39] <monipol>	Hello all. Does anyone here have an idea of when (if?) multilingual MediaWiki would be released?
[13:43:41] <tobyink>	werdna: Now I'm going to complain that $linktype isn't passed either.
[13:45:51] <proppy>	Hi, is there a way to group by category the pages listed in a Category : Page ?
[13:46:50] <jamasi>	you can add sort criteria after a [[Category:xyz]] like [[Category:xyz|A]]
[13:47:13] <jamasi>	then all with |A will be in group A on the category page
[13:48:06] <jamasi>	If you're looking for more complex features take a look at dynamicPageList
[13:51:55] <^demon>	tobyink: Wouldn't do much good. $linkType isn't used after the hook.
[13:52:13] <Duesentrieb>	monipol: what exactly would that be? there are several extensions that help with multilingual content, and mediawiki is becoming more friendly to this over time, but i'm not aware of "multilingual mediawiki" as such.
[13:52:23] <Duesentrieb>	but that mey just be my ignorance :)
[13:53:05] <tobyink>	^demon: yes, but the function called by the hook needs to output a class attribute, and it needs $linktype to determine what the value of that attribute should be.
[13:53:30] <monipol>	Duesentrieb: there's an actual ongoing MediaWiki proposal/specification to support multilingual wikis -- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Multilingual_MediaWiki
[13:53:43] <^demon>	tobyink: I see what you're saying.
[13:54:49] <Duesentrieb>	monipol: last real contrib to that page: 12 May 2008 
[13:54:53] <Duesentrieb>	seems to be dead.
[13:55:17] <monipol>	Duesentrieb: yep, I noticed. =/ That's why I came here, heh.
[13:55:41] <Duesentrieb>	probably best to try to find the people involved
[13:55:48] <Duesentrieb>	ialex is in the channel...
[13:55:48] <^demon>	tobyink: Done.
[13:55:51] <tobyink>	Basically, makeExternalLink is ugly inside. Serialises $attribs to $attribsText too early.
[13:56:01] <CIA-60>	03demon * r48226 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES docs/hooks.txt includes/Linker.php): 
[13:56:01] <CIA-60>	* Add $linkType param to LinkerMakeExternalLink
[13:56:01] <CIA-60>	* Move docs from r48223 to the right place.
[13:56:23] <tobyink>	But passing $linktype to the hook function is adequete as a fix.
[13:56:41] <^demon>	tobyink: $attribs isn't used until post-hook.
[13:57:45] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r48227 10/trunk/phase3/includes/GlobalFunctions.php: Don't call debug_backtrace if it's disabled to avoid a lot of E_WARNING
[13:58:09] <tobyink>	^demon: $linkType should be $linktype, no?
[13:58:26] <monipol>	Duesentrieb: Thanks.
[13:59:12] <CIA-60>	03demon * r48228 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Linker.php: T -> t
[13:59:22] <^demon>	tobyink: Fixed ^^
[14:03:37] <tobyink>	And it looks like $this needs to be passed too. I have: $success = wfRunHooks('LinkerMakeExternalLink', array( &$url, &$text, &$link, &$attribs, &$linktype, $this ) );
[14:04:06] <teprrr>	hello there. anyone knows if there's some extension which would allow anonymous/unregistered users to append new lines to a chapter of a page?
[14:04:12] <proppy>	jamasi: thanks looking :)
[14:04:36] <proppy>	jamasi: trying to use [[Category:xyz|xyz]]
[14:05:02] <teprrr>	and if not, where should I start looking for to implement one? I'm trying to allow people to give feedback without a need to register
[14:05:56] <Duesentrieb>	teprrr: one way to do it is let people write to talk pages, but not "real" content pages. and then show the talk page on the content page, either using simple template syntax, or using the TalkHere extension
[14:05:58] <tobyink>	... which is a similar set of params to the LinkEnd hook, albeit in a different order.
[14:06:00] <^demon>	tobyink: Now you're just getting param hungry :p
[14:06:17] <jamasi>	you could setup a comment namespace where anonymous users can edit and then use the inputbox extension, teprrr
[14:06:17] <ialex>	teprrr: I don't think there is one
[14:06:48] <tobyink>	well, $linktype needs to be passed to $skin->getExternalLinkAttributes (or at least, that's how the makeExternalLink() method does it).
[14:07:31] <teprrr>	Duesentrieb, hmm, I think using a comment namespace like jamasi suggested is the way to go.. wondering though whether it's possible to allow editing when it's globally disabled, but I'll need to take a look at it
[14:07:32] <proppy>	jamasi: I see but I can't realy use that for having the Category page showing intersection of category
[14:07:42] <teprrr>	jamasi, thanks for the inputbox extension, that may be what I'm looking for
[14:07:52] <Duesentrieb>	!lockdown
[14:07:52] --mwbot--	Lockdown is an extension for preventing read or write access by namespace and limiting access to special pages. For more information, see < http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Lockdown >. For general information on preventing access to your wiki, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access >.
[14:08:21] <jamasi>	proppy, for intersections I advise to use dpl extension
[14:08:26] <Duesentrieb>	teprrr: i'm using this setup for my homepage, http://brightbsyte.de (in fact, i wrote lockdown and talkhere for this)
[14:08:38] <ialex>	!wg NamespaceProtection
[14:08:38] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgNamespaceProtection
[14:08:41] <^demon>	tobyink: I can't play with it any more right now, I have to go for now. On a side note: that method is kinda ew right now and could probably be cleaned up. If you can think of a better way to do it (so the params to the hook make a bit more sense), feel free to submit a patch.
[14:08:51] <proppy>	jamasi: like if Page1 is in category A B  Page2 in Category A B and Page3 in Category A C, Category:A page would show Page1 and Page2 grouped under category B
[14:08:58] <proppy>	jamasi: looking
[14:09:15] <Duesentrieb>	teprrr: the creativecommons wiki also uses it (without talkhere) http://wiki.creativecommons.org
[14:11:39] <teprrr>	hmm.. actually it'd be even better if I wouldn't need to have a different namespace at all. perhaps just inputbox + some scripting to make it to append the text to the same page.. thus there'd be no need to allow anonymous editing at all
[14:11:44] <jamasi>	proppy, I think the category pages by themself cannot do this, but as dpl is quite a migthy extension you should be able to get something like this.
[14:13:40] <proppy>	jamasi: yep I'm currently looking into DPL documentation to see how to group output
[14:13:47] <proppy>	jamasi: thanks a lot for the pointer :)
[14:14:37] *jamasi 	wonders if DPL will be included into mainline mediawiki one day...
[14:16:44] <Duesentrieb>	jamasi: quite unlikely. it's ugly and, what's worse, it's very inefficient.
[14:16:56] <teprrr>	anyways, thanks for your help, I'll investigate this further :)
[14:17:04] <jamasi>	still the features it offers are very useful
[14:17:05] <Duesentrieb>	jamasi: a cleaner but more powerful approach to a similar functionality is semantic mediawiki
[14:17:07] <Duesentrieb>	!SMW
[14:17:07] --mwbot--	SemanticMediaWiki is an extension that lets you conenct wiki pages with semantic relations. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_MediaWiki> and <http://semantic-mediawiki.org/>. Mailing lists are available at <http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=147937>.
[14:17:30] <Duesentrieb>	jamasi: many extensions are useful. that's no reason to include them in the mainline.
[14:17:55] <Duesentrieb>	imho it's much too bl,oated anyway. half the functionality could be factored out into extensions.
[14:18:06] <Duesentrieb>	we'd need better ways for extensions to interact, though
[14:19:38] <jamasi>	hmm, some kind of better extension management would be nice indeed
[14:19:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Dutch month names empty on SMW displays - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17882  (10markus)
[14:20:42] <vitozzo>	I'm having problems with upload files in OpenOffice format: I've added the right extension in wgFileExtensions and I can upload files, but I have problem when I try to download them... in firefox if I click on download the odf is open in the browser with some strange characthers and in explorer the file is downloaded as zip...
[14:21:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Dutch month names empty on SMW displays - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17882  (10markus)
[14:21:10] <Duesentrieb>	!e ArticleComments | teprrr
[14:21:10] --mwbot--	teprrr: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ArticleComments
[14:21:15] <Duesentrieb>	havn't tried that htough
[14:23:26] <teprrr>	Duesentrieb, oh, coolness. that sounds exactly what I'm looking for. took a quick peek at the inputbox's source and it revealed that there's some commenting related stuff also
[14:32:49] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Aliases of 'Wikipedia talk' namespace in Chinese Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17885 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (PhiLiP.NPC)
[14:33:54] <CIA-60>	03rotem * r48229 10/trunk/extensions/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Localization update for he.
[14:50:56] <teprrr>	Duesentrieb, yup, seems to work just as expected. needs some finetuning though.. thanks a lot!
[15:04:16] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Export all pages from a custom namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17886 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Export/Import; (davidt)
[15:05:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Dutch month names empty on SMW displays - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17882  (10Lloyd.Rutledge)
[15:05:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) API Call to do SemanticQueries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17784   +need-review +patch (10davidt)
[15:21:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) API thows internal error: Empty $wgTitle in OutputPage::parse - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17852  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[15:31:26] <tobyink>	^demon: Suggested change to makeExternalLink is here - http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Link_Attributes#Installation - no, it's not very clean, but cleaning up the function (making it as nice as the internal link equivalent) would involve breaking API compatibility I think.
[15:40:30] <^demon>	tobyink: I suppose we could include $this along with it. Just seems like parameter cruft for (what should be) a better thought-out hook anyway. Breaking b/c will probably get me reverted though, so we might just have to make do with what we've got.
[15:43:25] <tobyink>	^demon: the function is not great. Calling getExternalLinkAttributes is broken architecture as it means that you end up with some attributes as a nice array and others as a serialised string. In my extension, I need to then parse that string back to an array and merge it with the other array. But that's the best solution I could find without breaking backwards compatibility.
[15:50:46] <CIA-60>	03daniel * r48230 10/trunk/WikiWord/WikiWordBuilder/src/main/java/de/brightbyte/wikiword/ (14 files in 2 dirs): create and pass agenda explicitly, to avoid duplicater agenda fuckup
[15:54:13] <CIA-60>	03demon * r48231 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Linker.php: Document makeExternalLink().
[15:54:17] <^demon>	tobyink: Did some docs in ^^^
[15:55:53] <Litso>	hi all
[15:56:18] <^demon>	hi
[15:56:41] <Litso>	does anybody know what the best way would be to add extra forms into the Special:Upload page? there doesn't really seem to be a hook that allows this
[15:57:20] <Litso>	I'm currently trying to use str_replace in a ParserBeforeTidy hook, but I kind of have the idea this isn't the best way
[15:58:05] <^demon>	I don't think there's any hooks for that...I could be wrong.
[15:58:21] <^demon>	And ParserBeforeTidy would definitely not be the best way to go about that.
[15:58:27] <Litso>	exactly.. :p
[15:58:47] <Litso>	but the extension I'm writing does require the upload page to be altered, adding some extra forms
[16:00:59] <^demon>	You could write your own special page, and subclass UploadForm.
[16:03:23] <Litso>	ah, hadn't even thought of that yet..
[16:03:42] <Litso>	trying to find my way as a newbie coder, still a lot to learn :p
[16:03:43] <Litso>	thanks
[16:03:43] <^demon>	If you take a look at Extension:MultiUpload, that's how they did it.
[16:03:51] <Litso>	ok, I'll check it :)
[16:03:51] <^demon>	No problem.
[16:05:05] <^demon>	The other option is Bryan finishing the new-upload branch and merging that :)
[16:05:32] <Litso>	hehe, ok
[16:06:06] <Litso>	by the way, I see there are options in the UploadForm:initialize hook to alter variables like $uploadFormObj->uploadFormTextAfterSummary
[16:06:16] <Litso>	would it be safe to use those?
[16:06:37] <Malafaya>	is there a way to calculate values using parser functions (or other)?
[16:07:31] <jamasi>	Malafaya, depends on what values you want to calculate, but in general parserfunctions can do some math.
[16:08:06] <Malafaya>	#expr should do the trick
[16:08:23] <Malafaya>	i'll try using Magic words with it :)
[16:08:59] <^demon>	Litso: Never played with it, so I dunno.
[16:09:55] <Litso>	ok :)
[16:21:30] <Litso>	hmm, another question
[16:21:40] <Litso>	for some reason I can't add any working javascript to pages
[16:22:27] <Litso>	I've tried wgOut, assigning variable placeholders in both the editForm and uploadpage initialize hooks, and even hardcoding them into the pages... what keeps blocking even simple js functions like alert('test') ?
[16:23:00] <Litso>	I have a 1.6 install that doesn't give any problem, but 1.13 refuses
[16:59:15] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special:ListFiles problem with PostgreSQL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17887 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (m.woodbridge)
[17:00:01] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) set $wgMaxRedirects = 2 on en.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17888 normal; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (happy_melon)
[17:00:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:ListFiles problem with PostgreSQL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17887  (10alex.emsenhuber)
[17:00:39] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) PostgreSQL/pgsql support (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384  (10alex.emsenhuber)
[17:25:18] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Feature request - 'revert all' button - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17856  +comment (10mapellegrini)
[17:34:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wrong set up URL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17437  (10ste.coda)
[17:39:06] <lymeca>	Please help.  I changed nothing on the server and all of a sudden 
[17:39:07] <lymeca>	(Can't contact the database server: Access denied for user 'hampedia'@'localhost' (using password: YES) (localhost))
[17:39:19] <lymeca>	see error at site: http://hampedia.org
[17:48:11] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) MediaWiki:Deletequeue-prod-text should not be confined to five days. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17889 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: General/Unknown; (bugzilla.wikimedia)
[17:50:41] <racecar56>	anyone here?
[17:51:57] <Prodego|away>	racecar56: do you need something?
[17:52:02] <Prodego|away>	odds are I can't help you, but :)
[17:52:17] <racecar56>	does this place have to do with wikimedia commons
[17:52:35] <Prodego|away>	sort of, it is about the software that runs it
[17:52:37] <MGrab>	racecar56: not really
[17:52:41] <Prodego|away>	you might be looking for #wikimedia-commons
[17:52:42] <racecar56>	kk
[17:52:54] <racecar56>	thanks bye
[18:04:34] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) set $wgMaxRedirects = 2 on en.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17888  +comment (10bugzilla.wikimedia)
[18:10:09] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r48232 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
[18:10:09] <CIA-60>	* Refactored revisiondelete to use subclassing
[18:10:09] <CIA-60>	* Removed $action usage
[18:10:09] <CIA-60>	* Check edit token
[18:12:58] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r48233 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialRevisiondelete.php: rm whitespace
[18:13:51] <Zorg`>	Does anyone know of any open source projects that are designed to manage NPC behaviour serverside? ...i.e What MMORPGs would use to control their NPCs?
[18:21:32] <Nikerabbit>	Zorg`:what?
[18:22:19] <Zorg`>	nevermind >.<
[18:24:51] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r48234 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialRevisiondelete.php: Use UnlistedSpecialPage
[18:31:55] <CIA-60>	03simetrical * r48235 10/trunk/phase3/CREDITS: 
[18:31:55] <CIA-60>	Add Stefano's last name to CREDITS
[18:31:55] <CIA-60>	By request on bug 17437.
[18:34:26] <CIA-60>	03simetrical * r48236 10/branches/REL1_14/phase3/CREDITS: Backport r48235 "Add Stefano's last name to CREDITS"
[18:34:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wrong set up URL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17437  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[18:43:22] <CIA-60>	03river * r48237 10/trunk/tools/tsutils/readline/ (. Makefile readline.c): readline: read a line from the terminal and print it, for use in shell scripts
[18:57:02] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Does not protect page from editing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17843  +comment (10stevend811)
[19:14:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Export all pages from a custom namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17886  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[19:20:05] <GuidodB>	Hi, is anyone here familiar with installing mimetex? I seem unable to make a cgi file
[19:20:39] <GuidodB>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/LaTeX_on_a_shared_host
[19:20:57] <GuidodB>	http://www.forkosh.com/mimetex.html
[19:21:17] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Problem using different {{{standard input|free text|preload=PAGE}}} in the same form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17890 major; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic Forms; (jsalom)
[19:22:05] <GuidodB>	Forkosh says: type this command, which begins with CC
[19:22:28] <GuidodB>	My windows vista does not know such a command
[19:25:17] <MGrab>	GuidodB: where exactly does it say it?
[19:27:39] <GuidodB>	Download mimetex.zip and then type 
[19:27:52] <GuidodB>	 unzip mimetex.zip 
[19:28:05] <GuidodB>	 cc -DAA mimetex.c gifsave.c -lm -o mimetex.cgi 
[19:28:36] <GuidodB>	The readme still gives this same command for windows
[19:28:55] <Reedy>	For DefaultSort.. Is it just local characters, or should really only be basic a-z, 0-9, and basic punctuation?
[19:29:08] <Splarka>	it can be anything
[19:29:16] <Splarka>	even characters invalid in page titles
[19:29:24] <Splarka>	(well, the sortkey can)
[19:29:31] <Duesentrieb>	yea, but if sorting works as expected is a different question
[19:29:31] <Reedy>	So its more community consensus, etc?
[19:29:42] <Reedy>	Which is more what i was meaning...
[19:29:51] <Duesentrieb>	on wikimedia wikis like wikipedia, db entries are binary.
[19:30:05] <Splarka>	yah, it sorts only by character location in the unicode set
[19:30:10] <Duesentrieb>	so sorting of non-ascii chars is odd, because it's based on utf-8
[19:30:11] <Splarka>	and some crazy scripts don't like that
[19:30:29] <Duesentrieb>	Splarka: i don't think even that. it sorty by bytes of the utf-8 coding.
[19:30:41] <MGrab>	GuidodB: isn't cc a compiler?
[19:30:50] <Splarka>	Duesentrieb: that
[19:30:53] <Splarka>	's what I said
[19:31:01] <GuidodB>	Could be, there is no more info on this
[19:31:17] <Duesentrieb>	Splarka: "by character location in the unicode set" is NOT the same as "by UTF-8 bytes"
[19:31:28] <Splarka>	well, that's what I meant
[19:32:06] <Splarka>	we could argue semantics about it, but we should wait for Ladonna
[19:32:06] <Reedy>	Hmm... AWB's setup to replace stuff to the a-z version of the letter... Someone on one of the nordic wiki's has said this is wrong, for them at least...
[19:32:17] <Ladonna>	!
[19:32:38] <Ladonna>	Software written by English speakers breaking for non-English?
[19:32:41] <Ladonna>	I'm shocked.
[19:32:42] <Reedy>	oh, its Ladonna
[19:33:05] <Duesentrieb>	i blame it all on mysql's broken unicode support :)
[19:33:17] <Reedy>	do we therefore blame domas? ;)
[19:33:19] <Duesentrieb>	(and mysql was written by Swedes)
[19:33:19] <MGrab>	GuidodB: erm, it should probably be *gcc*
[19:33:24] <Splarka>	http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Foo <-- there, I sortkey's myself under the pipe
[19:33:26] <Ladonna>	Yes. Blame Domas.
[19:33:43] <Splarka>	which can be funky in the API, but works
[19:33:44] <MGrab>	GuidodB: try to google "gcc downloa" and hopefully you'll find a compiler
[19:33:53] <Reedy>	lol
[19:34:06] <Reedy>	Should i be telling them to STFU... Or provide community consensus?
[19:34:33] <GuidodB>	Presently gcc is not recognized either
[19:34:51] <Reedy>	What OS?
[19:35:10] <Simetrical>	Vista, he said.
[19:35:16] <Splarka>	http://test.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=categorymembers&cmtitle=Category:Foo&cmprop=sortkey|title
[19:35:23] <Simetrical>	That kind of command is not meant to work on Vista.
[19:35:31] <Splarka>	http://test.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=categorymembers&cmtitle=Category:Foo&cmprop=sortkey|title&cmlimit=2   ->  <categorymembers cmcontinue="||" />
[19:35:31] <Simetrical>	It will probably only work on Unix-like OSes.
[19:35:32] <Duesentrieb>	:P
[19:35:32] <Reedy>	lol
[19:35:36] <Reedy>	Cygwin ?
[19:35:43] <Simetrical>	That will compile it so it runs on Cygwin.
[19:35:46] <Simetrical>	It still won't run on Vista.
[19:35:50] <Simetrical>	Natively, that is.
[19:35:54] <Reedy>	Its an intermediatary...
[19:36:03] <Duesentrieb>	who cares iof it runs natively?
[19:36:12] <bitbit>	Hi, I want to install a wiki but i'm not sure if I'll want to keep it on the same server/directories in the future. is the process of moving a wiki easy?
[19:36:24] <Ladonna>	!move
[19:36:24] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Moving_a_wiki
[19:36:29] <Duesentrieb>	Simetrical: to be able to run it natively, you would have to port it. just compiling isn't going to cut it.
[19:36:38] <Duesentrieb>	with cygwin, it could work by just coimpiling it-
[19:36:48] <Ladonna>	Read. ^
[19:36:55] <bitbit>	reading
[19:37:02] <Duesentrieb>	it'S pretty easy
[19:37:56] <Reedy>	So, user STFU or provide consensus?
[19:38:06] <MGrab>	GuidodB: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=2435
[19:38:10] <MGrab>	gtg, slaap lekker
[19:38:23] <bitbit>	"To move or copy your wiki, you need of course to make a copy (i.e. a backup). You should copy at least the following: * the wiki's content, from the database" -- does that include page history
[19:38:23] <GuidodB>	All that I want is the mimetex.cgi file, not sure why I should spend days creating it
[19:38:24] <bitbit>	?
[19:38:43] <Duesentrieb>	Reedy: both optiuons currently suck. they should try both and discuss it.
[19:39:05] <Duesentrieb>	Reedy: the real solutiuon is to have real unicode support in mysql. which is sceduled for version 6. we are on version 4.
[19:39:11] <Reedy>	heh
[19:39:57] <Duesentrieb>	mediawiki as such accepts pretty much any character there. the question is if the sorting turns out the way they'd like
[19:40:12] <GuidodB>	MGrab: that's a long list of downloads, not a clue what I need
[19:40:30] <Reedy>	Yeah.... Im not sure if its that users preference.. Or community consensus
[19:40:38] <Duesentrieb>	it might be better to "simulate" it with ascii. i'd usggest a template. {{ä-sort}} or something.
[19:40:50] <Duesentrieb>	so it can be changed changed easily.
[19:41:20] <Reedy>	All i'm after knowing is whether AWB should be changing characters with accents etc to ones without...
[19:41:20] <Duesentrieb>	ä-sort copuld evaluate tp ae or azz, or zzzzzzzzz, dfepending on what rule you like (example for german)
[19:41:38] <Reedy>	But it seems to be whether the community "wants" that output?
[19:41:44] <Duesentrieb>	Reedy: my personal oppinion is: change it to a template :)
[19:42:00] <Duesentrieb>	well, it's about sort orde4r, not output, rigtht?
[19:42:04] <Duesentrieb>	and yes, it's up to the community.
[19:42:17] <Reedy>	"	Defaultsort or category sort with ÅåÄäÖö should not be changed for fi/sv/no (possibly others) as those letters are part of local alphabet "
[19:42:21] <Duesentrieb>	both ways are broken, so wrap the brokenness in a template, so it can be changed easily.
[19:42:50] <Duesentrieb>	Reedy: that's perfectly sane, the bad thin is that sorting for those characters is broken :)
[19:42:59] <Reedy>	Ahhh
[19:43:14] <Reedy>	So that means its a case of no, atm :)
[19:43:33] <Duesentrieb>	it'S a case of Chose Your Favorite Kind Of Suck.
[19:43:42] <Duesentrieb>	Choose even
[19:44:02] <Splarka>	it should be possible to define sort precidence blocks in each LanguagesXX.php
[19:44:04] <Duesentrieb>	so, again: wrap it.
[19:44:16] <Splarka>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164
[19:44:20] <GuidodB>	Apparently now I need to install Subversion, so that I can get GCC, which I need (but perhaps it's the wrong one) to compile, which I need to create mimetex.cgi, which ....
[19:44:25] <Splarka>	but that bug is lost in space
[19:44:57] *Reedy 	facepalms
[19:45:00] <Reedy>	Bloody stuff
[19:45:15] <Duesentrieb>	Splarka: well... actually... you could so a seartch&replace on sort keys. based on some special mediawiki messages. that's a cludge, but it'd work, kind of.
[19:45:24] <Splarka>	ew
[19:45:25] <Splarka>	stabbity
[19:45:35] <Splarka>	that doesn't sort the headers on the categorypage like they want, though
[19:45:39] <Simetrical>	Wait, *Splarka* is stabbing someone for proposing kludges?
[19:45:43] <Duesentrieb>	well, it's ugly, but it works. and it's relatively easy to revert.
[19:46:00] <Duesentrieb>	hm.... headers, no.
[19:46:00] <Splarka>	Simetrical: I only support wikicode/javascript kludges!
[19:46:09] <Duesentrieb>	iot would fix the soprt order. but headers would be missing.
[19:46:27] <Duesentrieb>	man, my typing still sucks on the new kb
[19:46:33] <bitbit>	re:moving a wiki; dod dataabase dumps contain wiki pages with all their revision, or is that just the XML dump? the page doesn't say
[19:46:34] <Duesentrieb>	all those extra characters...
[19:46:47] <Splarka>	Duesentrieb: do you use a german or british layout?
[19:46:49] <Duesentrieb>	bitbit: the database dump contains everything.
[19:46:58] <Splarka>	always fun when germans switch, Z and Y keep getting mixed, haha
[19:47:04] <Duesentrieb>	bitbit: the xml dump contains wiki pages wit hall revisions too, but no users, no logs, etc.
[19:47:04] <GuidodB>	I'll try a public mimetex server
[19:47:14] <bitbit>	I see
[19:47:20] <bitbit>	thanks Duesentrieb
[19:47:44] <Duesentrieb>	bitbit: for moving a wiki, you don't really need an xml dump. though an xml dump is a nice failsafe backup for all content. it's future proof, because it'S version agnostic.
[19:48:10] <Duesentrieb>	mysqldump -> operational backup. xml dump -> long term storage and transfer.
[19:53:50] <bitbit>	anyone know what an .nfs0000000006ac19f9000006d3 file is?
[19:54:21] <bitbit>	I uploaded a part of mediawiki onto the server, stopped half way and deleted it
[19:54:31] <bitbit>	thats the only file left in there and it doesn't let me delete it
[19:57:28] <msh210s_cat>	My local wiki allows admins (sysops) the upload_by_url right, and I'm an admin, but the special:upload page doesn't let me upload by url. Is there another page somewhere that does?
[19:57:42] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Problem using different {{{standard input|free text|preload=PAGE}}} in the same form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17890  +comment (10yaron57)
[19:57:46] <CIA-60>	03daniel * r48238 10/trunk/WikiWord/WikiWord/src/main/php/wikiword.php: styles
[19:58:12] <ialex>	msh210s_cat: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgAllowCopyUploads
[19:58:30] <jm>	How can I change the name of my main page? I have just begun using Mediawiki.
[19:58:53] <CIA-60>	03daniel * r48239 10/trunk/WikiWord/WikiWord/src/main/java/de/brightbyte/wikiword/ (CliApp.java store/DatabaseWikiWordStore.java): tweaks: license, command line args, createAgenda
[19:58:59] <msh210s_cat>	ialex thc
[19:59:01] <ialex>	jm: Change MediaWiki:Mainpage
[19:59:38] <jm>	In the server?
[20:00:37] <msh210s_cat>	ialex, no - that page says needs &source=web in special:upload url -- but trying that doesnt work.
[20:00:49] <ialex>	jm: it's a page in the wiki
[20:00:52] <ialex>	jm;: like "Main Page"
[20:00:55] <FunPika>	jm: No, edit the page called MediaWiki:Mainpage in your wiki
[20:01:18] <CIA-60>	03daniel * r48240 10/trunk/WikiWord/WikiWordBuilder/src/main/java/de/brightbyte/wikiword/store/builder/DatabaseWikiWordConceptStoreBuilder.java: force indexs in buildLangMatch()
[20:01:44] <ialex>	msh210s_cat: you need to set $wgAllowCopyUploads = true; in LocalSettings.php
[20:02:14] <msh210s_cat>	not my wii, i'm just an admin. any way for me to check whether that's true? (it's a WMF wiki)
[20:02:24] <jm>	ok thanks
[20:02:40] <ialex>	msh210s_cat: it's false
[20:02:50] <ialex>	on WMF wikis
[20:02:58] <msh210s_cat>	ialex ah, thx.
[20:03:52] <msh210s_cat>	all right, thx for your help, HAND
[20:04:05] <astronouth7303>	have you thought about Google Summer of Code?
[20:05:47] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Database table "blobs" is full - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17891 critical; Normal; Wikimedia: wikibugs; (str805)
[20:06:07] <GuidodB>	With a public mathtex server, I get the error message: "...(pagename) is not authorized to use mathtex on this server"
[20:06:50] <DonYaYa>	sorry to be total noob, is there an easy way to "flush the cache" (running MediaWiki under IIS7) so I can see changes to footer text, etc. when I refresh page in browser?
[20:07:12] <ialex>	astronouth7303: we have something on mw.org: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2009
[20:07:21] <astronouth7303>	ty
[20:08:30] <CIA-60>	03midom * r48241 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/storage/blobs.sql: fix 16-bit index pointers in MyISAM....
[20:09:11] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Wikipedia completely broken - cannot make edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17892 blocker; Normal; MediaWiki: Database; (lilacsoul)
[20:09:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Database table "blobs" is full - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17891  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[20:09:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Database table "blobs" is full - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17891  (10str805)
[20:09:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wikipedia completely broken - cannot make edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17892  normal->highest (10lilacsoul)
[20:10:16] <Ladonna>	And there we go.
[20:10:44] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Wikipedia completely broken - cannot make edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17892  highest->normal; +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[20:11:06] <ialex>	Ladonna: yeah :(
[20:12:05] <bitbit>	DonYaYa: try clearing browsers cache, and then add "?action=purge" to the url
[20:12:49] <DonYaYa>	cool thanks bitbit
[20:17:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Database table "blobs" is full - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17891  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[20:17:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Database table "blobs" is full - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17891  04CRIT->04BLOCKER; normal->highest (10lilacsoul)
[20:17:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Database table "blobs" is full - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17891  (10lilacsoul)
[20:17:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Database table "blobs" is full - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17891  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[20:18:23] <Ladonna>	Hmm.
[20:19:54] <Splarka>	* Splarka waits for them to raise it from normal->highest
[20:19:55] <Splarka>	haha
[20:21:08] <Splarka>	dear bugzilla admin: Since you cannot take the Priority dropdown out of the bug edit form, please for the LOVE OF JIMBO put it back in the bug creation form, it prevents a needless secondary spammy wikibugs report and emailing, love -Splarka
[20:25:12] <Nikerabbit>	hi Duesentrieb 
[20:25:20] <Duesentrieb>	Heya Nikerabbit
[20:29:40] <GuidodB>	I seem unable to make the texvc executable to support LaTeX. Any ideas?
[20:31:28] <GuidodB>	We'd really like to use math, but no luck so far
[20:34:08] <GuidodB>	gmake: *** No rule to make target `......./math/texvc'.  Stop.
[20:40:06] <CIA-60>	03daniel * r48242 10/trunk/WikiWord/WikiWordBuilder/src/main/java/de/brightbyte/wikiword/builder/BuildStatistics.java: fix extra local var in BuildStatistics
[20:47:04] <srinux>	hello how can I rename the sidebar navigation
[20:48:24] <GuidodB>	Has anyone ever managed to get LaTeX running if the wiki runs on a host?
[20:48:57] <Splarka>	srinux: change the word 'navigation' you mean?
[20:49:04] <Splarka>	!sidebar | srinux
[20:49:04] --mwbot--	srinux: To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar>.
[20:49:11] <srinux>	:D
[20:49:12] <Splarka>	for that you can change "* navigation" 
[20:49:21] <Splarka>	or you can change the message MediaWiki:Navigation
[20:49:46] <srinux>	Splarka, thank
[20:50:02] <GuidodB>	Or texvc, rather
[20:52:17] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) en.wiktionary bureaucrats can't add sysop, crat and bot flags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17893 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (thogol)
[20:54:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) en.wiktionary bureaucrats can't add sysop, crat and bot flags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17893  15enhancement->trivial;  +shell (10Prodego)
[20:54:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) en.wiktionary bureaucrats can't add sysop, crat and bot flags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17893  (10mikelifeguard)
[20:55:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) en.wiktionary bureaucrats can't add sysop, crat and bot flags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17893  (10rhalsell)
[21:03:27] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) morebots is undocumented, doesn't start automatically on boot - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17894 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (brion)
[21:03:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) morebots is undocumented, doesn't start automatically on boot - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17894  15enhancement->normal (10brion)
[21:06:31] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) en.wiktionary bureaucrats can't add sysop, crat and bot flags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17893  +comment (10rhalsell)
[21:09:26] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r48243 10/trunk/phase3/math/README: Texvc has its own component in the "MediaWiki extensions" product on bugzilla
[21:13:38] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) en.wiktionary bureaucrats can't add sysop, crat and bot flags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17893  +comment (10stevend811)
[21:13:58] <GuidodB>	Has anyone ever managed to get Texvc running if the wiki runs at a host?
[21:16:00] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Consistency with "Priority" field - please remove completely or restore to "new bug" form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17895 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; (herd)
[21:16:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Consistency with "Priority" field - please remove completely or restore to "new bug" form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17895  normal->lowest (10herd)
[21:16:56] <Splarka>	>_>
[21:24:55] <gewt>	-.-
[21:24:59] <gewt>	i got the latest svn
[21:25:05] <gewt>	and the crap won't create the tables
[21:25:10] <gewt>	it has a mysql error -.-
[21:27:43] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r48244 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (SpecialPage.php specials/SpecialRevisiondelete.php): 
[21:27:43] <CIA-60>	* Fix class name in SpecialPage::$mList
[21:27:43] <CIA-60>	* Fix canonical name passed to the parent in SpecialRevisionDelete::__construct()
[21:28:12] <ialex>	gewt: what's the error?
[21:28:33] <gewt>	it was soemthing with the user table
[21:28:42] <gewt>	abput InnoDB and binary in the query
[21:28:47] <gewt>	don't have the exatc query
[21:29:37] <Skizzerz>	gewt: can you try again and then open a bug listing the exact error message?
[21:29:53] <gewt>	maybe -.-
[21:32:07] <gewt>	bbl
[21:32:09] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Failover/fallback to internal storage when $wgDefaultExternalStore external storage clusters are all broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17896 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Database; (brion)
[21:39:57] <werdna>	hey hey
[21:44:02] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Uninitialized string offset - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17897 blocker; Normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (l.corsaro)
[22:24:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Database table "blobs" is full - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17891  (10herd)
[22:25:27] <zrh>	Hi … the English Wikipedia shows only 'Log in / create account' in the upper right corner … where's the configuration for the header menu in MediaWiki located?
[22:29:35] <Ladonna>	zrh: Check [[Special:AllMessages]]?
[22:30:00] <Splarka>	zrh: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgShowIPinHeader
[22:31:08] <zrh>	Splarka: Thank you! :)
[22:31:16] <Splarka>	np
[22:32:05] <Ladonna>	Oh, I misread.
[22:32:08] <zrh>	Splarka: Is there an easy way to modify the header menu items shown for users logged in?
[22:32:22] <Ladonna>	JavaScript can insert things pretty easily.
[22:32:38] <Splarka>	haxky
[22:32:39] <zrh>	Ladonna: np
[22:32:52] <zrh>	Ladonna: I know, I'm looking for a solution w/ JS.
[22:33:09] <Ladonna>	With JS, you just need to do addPortletLink() or some such.
[22:33:27] <Splarka>	there is a hook, too, 'PersonalUrls'
[22:33:46] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/PersonalUrls
[22:33:59] <Splarka>	that lets you modify it via extension
[22:34:40] <zrh>	Splarka: THX!
[22:35:06] <Splarka>	if you wanna use addPortletLink(), see wikibits.js for minimal documentation
[22:44:23] <zrh>	Is there no easier way to remove some links, e.g. the link to the talk page?
[22:46:08] <Splarka>	CSS
[22:47:37] <zrh>	Ah, that's right … hey, you made my day! :D
[22:47:42] <Splarka>	for logged in users it is #pt-mytalk {display:none;} for example
[22:47:54] <Splarka>	if it is the same for anon, then it'll be a bit annoying to remove just for anon
[22:48:06] <zrh>	Splarka: I love CSS! :)
[22:48:22] <Splarka>	heh heh
[22:48:38] <zrh>	(and I hate MSIE6, well, that's another story …)
[22:48:57] <Splarka>	a whole novel
[22:49:06] <zrh>	BTW, who's responsible for the CSS of Wikipedia? It's not valid … :(
[22:49:12] <zrh>	Example: Value Error : border  darkblue is not a color value :  1px solid darkblue  
[22:49:24] <Splarka>	which file?
[22:49:38] <zrh>	Have a look yourself: http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2F&profile=css21&usermedium=all&warning=1&lang=en
[22:50:16] <Splarka>	<li id="<?php echo Sanitizer::escapeId( "pt-$key" ) ?>
[22:50:24] <Splarka>	hmm, so the id is always from the $key ...
[22:50:41] <Splarka>	ahh, shared.css
[22:51:11] <Splarka>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/skins/common/shared.css?view=annotate
[22:51:26] <zrh>	Yeah, I'm creating my own MediaWiki theme and stumble upon this problem.
[22:51:52] <Splarka>	hmm
[22:51:57] <Splarka>	check the anon page source
[22:52:04] <Splarka>	see if it is id="pt-mytalk" or "pt-anontalk"
[22:56:21] <Splarka>	zrh: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=43376
[22:56:28] <Splarka>	aaron (Aaron|away here) did it
[22:56:41] <zrh>	Perfect, thank you!
[22:57:20] <Splarka>	the other two in shared.css and main.css are CSS3 properties, so aren't really errors... well, not really... heh
[22:57:34] <Splarka>	the rest are specific to en.wikipedia and need to be taken up with them
[22:58:08] <zrh>	That's OK – as long as you don't ask for advice in #css … ;)
[22:58:34] <Splarka>	heh
[22:58:54] <zrh>	No validation, no advice – as I learnt the hard way … ;)
[22:59:30] <Splarka>	meanies
[23:00:43] <Splarka>	do they even disallow -moz-stupid-stuff ?
[23:04:21] <zrh>	Splarka: Yes, of course … ;)
[23:05:54] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r48245 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (44 files): Localisation updates for core messages from translatewiki.net (2009-03-09 22:54 UTC)
[23:12:45] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r48246 10/trunk/extensions/ (97 files in 81 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from translatewiki.net (2009-03-09 22:54 UTC)
[23:23:52] <zrh>	Some special pages cannot be access by users … can other special pages get added to this 'blacklist'?
[23:24:08] <werdna>	only with core updates.
[23:24:13] <zrh>	OK!
[23:24:15] <werdna>	what are you trying to do
[23:24:19] <Splarka>	how about ones added by extension?
[23:24:35] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Opening a Wikipedia article results in attempt to download gzipped version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7098  +comment (10brion)
[23:24:47] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Page always delivered using gzip compression in HTTP - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16230  +comment (10brion)
[23:24:49] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Opening a Wikipedia article results in attempt to download gzipped version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7098  +comment (10brion)
[23:24:59] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Mystery gzip page download bug - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15457  +comment (10brion)
[23:25:02] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Opening a Wikipedia article results in attempt to download gzipped version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7098  +comment (10brion)
[23:25:19] <zu22>	hi
[23:25:21] <Splarka>	oh, that bug
[23:25:22] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) some pages are delivering raw GZIP encoding - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15149  +comment (10brion)
[23:25:31] <zrh>	werdna: I'd like to block access to some special pages for anonymous users, e.g. the user list.
[23:25:32] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Opening a Wikipedia article results in attempt to download gzipped version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7098  +comment (10brion)
[23:25:33] <zu22>	i have to move my mediawiki instance (13.x) to a new machine
[23:25:40] <zrh>	zu22: OK …
[23:25:44] <zu22>	how do i backup the database and how to restore it on new machine
[23:25:59] <zu22>	i know *very* few mysql commands :)
[23:26:08] <Reedy>	!movewiki
[23:26:08] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "movewiki".
[23:26:22] <Reedy>	!move | zu22
[23:26:22] --mwbot--	zu22: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Moving_a_wiki
[23:26:55] <zrh>	zu22: Good luck, my last migration was quite a mess due to charset issues …
[23:27:01] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) bad local iwikis loaded - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17898 normal; Normal; Wikimedia: Interwiki links; (RLUllmann)
[23:27:40] <zu22>	Reedy: ah, thanks
[23:27:45] <zu22>	zrh: oh hehe
[23:28:40] <zu22>	btw i want to make sure only registered users can make edits so i added this to LocalSettings.php: $wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit'] = false;
[23:28:49] <zu22>	and they must confirm email to edit so i did: $wgEmailConfirmToEdit = true;
[23:28:52] <zu22>	will this be sufficient?
[23:29:03] <Reedy>	would look right
[23:29:06] <zu22>	k
[23:29:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Configure backend web servers to send css/js files gzip-compressed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15154   +shell; summary; +comment (10brion)
[23:35:53] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Combine CSS/JS and load from a script - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17899 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (mikelifeguard)
[23:39:00] <Splarka>	load CSS via JS?
[23:39:04] *Splarka 	stabs Mike
[23:40:14] <Splarka>	Mike_lifeguard: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12250
[23:40:28] <Splarka>	minification has been repeatedly WONTFIX
[23:40:39] <werdna>	brion has warmed to it
[23:40:43] <werdna>	see mailigng list
[23:40:48] <brion>	mmm, fuzzy
[23:40:58] <Mike_lifeguard>	Well then don't do that part
[23:41:00] <Splarka>	sure, turn into wikia, allinone.js
[23:41:15] <werdna>	brion: what do you think of https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17785
[23:41:21] <Mike_lifeguard>	I didn't really follow that discussion, but the previous bug reminded me of it, and I didn't think it had been filed previously
[23:41:23] <Splarka>	brion: just so you know there _are_ consequences to minification
[23:41:23] <Mike_lifeguard>	so here we are
[23:41:25] <werdna>	WONTFIX or apply the patch I wrote?
[23:41:33] <Aaron|away>	brion: code review :)
[23:41:57] <Splarka>	some browsers will parse 500k of javascript on one line slower than 500k naturally spaced
[23:42:00] <brion>	lemme look
[23:42:39] <Splarka>	also per combination...
[23:42:54] <brion>	werdna: does that <span> end up outside or inside the <a>?
[23:42:59] <werdna>	outside
[23:43:00] <brion>	mebbe the class should just be on the <a>?
[23:43:10] <Splarka>	Mike_lifeguard: that can make subsequent pages load faster, but the original page load can be slower, note that JS modules have been split off a lot recently, like diff.js, edit.js, block.js, etc
[23:43:16] <werdna>	brion: 1/ there are sometimes multiple <a>s
[23:43:35] <brion>	!
[23:43:37] <brion>	scary :D
[23:43:42] <werdna>	brion: 2/ it's applied as a pre-parse regex or two before parsing even begins, so it's harder to do
[23:43:59] <brion>	well if it doesn't interfere with any markup it's prolly the best we can do :D
[23:44:09] <werdna>	dynamic dates are seriously freaky
[23:44:38] <werdna>	give tim a good slap for them when you see him :P
[23:47:43] <werdna>	AaronSchulz: what's the deal with that user_hidden schema change
[23:52:10] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r48247 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/parser/DateFormatter.php): Surround dynamic dates with a <span>. Bug 17785.
[23:52:45] <werdna>	brion: enwiki is causing a riot over linked dynamic dates. Would it be sensible to add a generic parser function for dynamic dates without linking them?
[23:53:14] *werdna 	is being begged by arbitrators, who have read >10MB of bickering over linked dates
[23:53:19] <ende>	I need a clever solution
[23:53:37] <brion>	werdna: there's been a riot about that for the last 6 years or so
[23:53:48] <brion>	i guess we'll have to do something :)
[23:53:51] <ende>	Im looking to somehow create a <pre> -like box that also line wraps
[23:54:03] <werdna>	brion: now it's in arbitration :P
[23:54:08] <werdna>	silly enwiki
[23:54:22] <brion>	*snort*
[23:54:33] <brion>	who exactly are they arbitrating between?
[23:54:44] <ende>	any suggestions?
[23:54:52] <werdna>	people who mass delink dates and people who mass link them
[23:55:00] <werdna>	ende: <poem> maybe
[23:55:33] <werdna>	I know there's a css style rule, "line-wrapping: wrap-word" or something
[23:55:40] <Splarka>	ende: you mean, keep whitespace like "foo                bar", but line wrap..
[23:55:41] <brion>	laundry brb
[23:55:46] <werdna>	brion: the tensions are so high because the stakes are so low
[23:55:52] <Splarka>	white-space ?
[23:55:58] <ende>	splarka: basically
[23:56:09] <Splarka>	white-space:normal; eats the "foo       foo"  space though
[23:56:15] <werdna>	white-space: pre; word-wrapping: wrap-word; -- not sure about the second.
[23:56:43] <Splarka>	I think there is just white-space for wrapping
[23:56:59] <ende>	Basically looking for 1) benefits of preformating (safe pasting), 2) fixed width font, 3) line wrapping
[23:57:07] <Von>	When creating external links (or any link really), can a title parameter be specified, like in <a href="link" title="foo">?
[23:57:24] <Splarka>	no
[23:57:29] <Splarka>	but you can put a title on a descendant
[23:57:41] <Splarka>	[http://foo <span title="bar">foo</span>]
[23:57:49] <Von>	ah, ok
[23:57:59] <zrh>	http://www.zrhwiki.ch/wiki/Hauptseite – Does the font size look rather large?
[23:58:50] <Splarka>	ende: I don't think it is possible unless you wrote your own parser tag to insert &nbsp;
[23:59:07] <ende>	I can do without keeping white space
[23:59:18] <ende>	its mostly the fixed width im after
[23:59:23] <Splarka>	oh
[23:59:25] <Splarka>	<tt> or <code>
[23:59:28] <ende>	so if I can just write a template that changes the font id be happy
[23:59:35] <Splarka>	or <div style="font-family:monospace">