[00:15:21] <ozysimpson>	OverlordQ, sorry for the late reply what i mean by crippled is things are not in the right place its got no background and all the stuff is alligned to left 
[00:17:46] <Splarka>	be sure your style path is accessable (see the source for various <link> css and <script> js calls, and follow them to see where they point and where they should)
[00:32:47] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Patch adding support to chose language and colorscheme to SyntaxHighlight_vim - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17949 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: SyntaxHighlight (GeSHi); (bar105)
[00:37:29] <CIA-60>	03dale * r48335 10/branches/new-upload/phase3/ (7 files in 4 dirs): updates for upload api chunk support
[00:49:05] <slithytove2006>	so says a critique on a website i have produced: "text links are very confusing for the computer 'disadvantaged'"
[01:10:39] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) API boilerplate that doesn't knock stars around - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17950 trivial; Normal; MediaWiki: API; (jidanni)
[01:11:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) API boilerplate that doesn't knock stars around - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17950  (10jidanni)
[01:31:42] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) allow exporting via the api for much more flexible page choice - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17871  summary; +comment (10jidanni)
[01:33:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) allow exporting via the api for much more flexible page choice - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17871  (10jidanni)
[01:38:17] <hrishikesh>	hi, I am having trouble viewing images that I upload to the wiki.  After uploading the location of the file is http://localhost/wiki/index.php/Images/Test.jpg but I can't see the image inline. But the image is located at http://localhost/wiki/images/Test.jpg and I can see it if I view it in a separate browser window. Could someone tell me what is happening?
[01:38:40] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) mention one can export via the API too (much more flexible) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17871  summary (10jidanni)
[01:46:45] <betacommand>	anyone around to help me with a query?
[01:47:12] *betacommand 	sucks at 2+ table joins in mysql
[02:07:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) mention version at the top of api.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17925  (10jidanni)
[02:07:45] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) mention version at the top of api.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17925  normal->lowest (10jidanni)
[02:13:32] <Mentifisto>	does {{REVISIONUSER}} work on any wiki atm?
[02:15:21] <Splarka>	only if they're running directly off trunk (WMF is), and a revision higher than 48149 (WMF isn't)
[02:17:31] <Mentifisto>	so none currently? not even test wikis? I noticed it doesn't work on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words#Technical_metadata either even though it's inserted
[02:18:01] <Splarka>	sure, lots of test wikis
[02:18:07] <Mentifisto>	hm... but when it works would it display the last username on the current page just by inserting it without any other parameter?
[02:18:12] <Splarka>	most developers have one
[02:18:43] <Splarka>	Mentifisto: in theory, yes, have to see if it gets past code review though
[02:19:06] <Egeste>	hey Splarka. turns out ParserFunctions wasnt working on my wiki because I didnt have the extension installed. But you wouldn't know that because you were too busy talking shit to actually help me out.
[02:19:07] <Splarka>	it is different than the uncache-friendly {{CURRENTUSER}}/{{USERNAME}} oft requested, in that it is the same for any viewer (as it is the name of the last editor)
[02:19:22] <Egeste>	make a note
[02:19:55] <Splarka>	oh my god, I am so sorry I overestimated your aptitude!
[02:20:02] <Splarka>	I thought you were just slow, not a complete moron
[02:20:06] <Splarka>	mea culpa:(
[02:20:19] <Egeste>	OMG, I'm sos orry I'm new to mediawiki and came looking for help
[02:20:27] <Splarka>	<egeste>	but it is not working, what am I doing wrong?
[02:20:35] <Splarka>	<egeste>	so then if I wanted to take the value of input and have it sppear in a table if it exists, otherwise display null, I would logicalluy assume the syntax would look like this:
[02:20:39] <Splarka>	<egeste>	| {{#if:{{{input}}}|{{{input}}} }}
[02:20:44] <Splarka>	you gave no symptoms other than "not working"
[02:20:51] <Splarka>	and kept repeating {{#if:{{{input}}}
[02:21:02] <Splarka>	so... my fault for not mind reading
[02:21:38] <betacommand>	Egeste: you should do basic trouble shooting before harassing us
[02:22:29] <Egeste>	I've worked technical support for Dell, Apple, Microsoft and numer other companies in the past. The key to solving any issue for a new user is to ask the right questions. I was not rude when i cam here earlier, that was all on you
[02:22:32] <Splarka>	despite me giving four examples of the correct method, all you did was say things like "so it should be like I tried", without stating the correct symptoms
[02:23:15] <Egeste>	YOU escalated the situation, and you represent mediawiki poorly by offering assistance in such a way
[02:23:36] <betacommand>	Egeste: we are users just like you
[02:23:38] <Splarka>	<egeste>	and you appear to be an impatient douchebag
[02:23:42] <Splarka>	<egeste>	get over yourself, wikifag
[02:23:46] <Splarka>	so that was the appropriate mature response
[02:23:51] <Splarka>	heh
[02:23:54] <betacommand>	Splarka: I think a kickban is needed
[02:23:56] <Splarka>	well, we're all volunteers
[02:23:56] <Egeste>	post what you said before that
[02:24:04] <Splarka>	<Splarka>	read what I just fucking said, kthx
[02:24:10] <Splarka>	having said the same thing 4 times
[02:24:26] <Splarka>	betacommand: no
[02:24:47] <Egeste>	kickban me from your channel, for all the help i got here im unlikely to return for anything but griefing anyway
[02:24:52] <Splarka>	well, not by me anyway, resolution of personal disputes shouldn't involve abuse of power
[02:25:42] <betacommand>	Egeste: one of the first steps is reading the readme/install instructions
[02:26:01] <Egeste>	LOL
[02:26:14] <Egeste>	 = "RTFM"
[02:26:25] <OverlordQ>	Hey guys, AbuseFilter isn't working . . . do I need to install it first?
[02:26:41] <Splarka>	http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/RTFM
[02:26:43] <betacommand>	once that fails then come here, you obviously did not do that
[02:28:20] <betacommand>	I guess we give server admins too much credit for assuming they take 30 seconds to read the mauals
[02:28:36] <Egeste>	please, a new user who cant get mediawiki running at all is who you tell to rtfm. I didnt even know that parserfunctions was a seperate extension, i just assumed it was part of the distribution because I didnt know any better
[02:29:35] <betacommand>	Egeste: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki is your friend
[02:29:50] <Splarka>	warning: it is full of wikifags
[02:30:07] <betacommand>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserFunctions
[02:30:08] <Splarka>	(which you define as people of infinite wisdom and finite patience)
[02:30:31] <Egeste>	infinite wisdom?
[02:30:37] <Egeste>	i'll make a note
[02:31:22] <Splarka>	yep, because you assume they know everything about your problem but refuse to help you with it
[02:31:37] <Splarka>	UD disgrees however: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wikifag
[02:37:24] <werdna>	let's try not to abuse users, hmm?
[02:37:51] <Egeste>	i came in to talk shit
[02:37:54] <Egeste>	it's all good
[02:43:51] <Splarka>	bah, why are there never any freenode staff set active
[02:44:16] *Splarka 	pokles werdan7 (not werdna)
[02:44:43] <werdan7>	:D
[02:45:24] *werdna 	eats werdan7 
[02:45:30] <werdna>	nomnomnom
[02:48:13] <Splarka>	that's almost twincest
[02:56:53] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Special:Protectedpages doesn't show pre-1.10 protections - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11487  normal->high; +comment (10jidanni)
[03:08:28] <Onit>	hola
[03:08:53] <Onit>	Hi! Anyone can help me with changing css of myskin skin?
[03:10:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Protectedpages doesn't show pre-1.10 protections - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11487  (10jidanni)
[03:10:41] <Onit>	Can anybody help me?
[03:10:47] <Splarka>	Onit: Special:Mypage/myskin.css ?
[03:13:20] <Onit>	Splarka, did you see my private?
[03:14:02] <Splarka>	yah, but usually better to ask here
[03:14:27] <Onit>	Want me to copy/paste here my private?
[03:14:40] *Splarka 	checks myskin
[03:14:52] <Splarka>	myskin doesn't load a main.css
[03:14:58] <Splarka>	that is intentional
[03:15:10] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Catalogue_of_CSS_classes
[03:15:54] <Onit>	I am new with wiki things.
[03:15:55] <Splarka>	the reason is, it is a completely unstyled skin that each user can customize from scratch
[03:16:56] <Splarka>	hmm
[03:16:57] <Onit>	I want to use cheops css
[03:17:11] <Splarka>	are you the only user on your wiki?
[03:17:55] <Onit>	Yes. I�ve just downloaded and installed xampp and mediawiki sw
[03:18:06] <Onit>	So new :$
[03:18:29] <Splarka>	so you set your skin in preferences to Myskin, or did you set the default skin on the wiki to it?
[03:19:03] <Splarka>	either way, you probably want to edit a page on the wiki called [[MediaWiki:Myskin.css]] which applies to the 'myskin' skin
[03:19:22] <Onit>	maybe...
[03:22:10] <Onit>	I�ll see. Thanx Splarka.
[03:23:27] *Splarka 	pulls out the poor overused bot
[03:23:29] <Splarka>	!css
[03:23:29] --mwbot--	To change styles for your wiki, go to one of the MediaWiki:xxx.css wiki page (NOT a file) and put your custom styles there (sysop/admin rights required). MediaWiki:Common.css is for all skins and should be used for content styles. MediaWiki:Monobook.css is for the MonoBook skin (default), etc. For more information, see !skins and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skin_configuration>
[03:24:35] <Onit>	That�s great!! 
[03:25:11] <Onit>	how do i get to Mediawiki:Myskin.css?
[03:26:03] <Splarka>	go to a page with that title, various ways
[03:26:19] <Splarka>	paste that into your search box and hit 'go', or paste it after index.php?title=
[03:27:13] <Onit>	oki
[03:27:32] <Splarka>	on wikipedia it would be, for example, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Myskin.css
[03:29:39] <Onit>	great
[03:34:49] <Onit>	I already edited MediaWiki:Myskin.css but it is still the same.
[03:36:42] <Splarka>	are you using the myskin skin?
[03:36:56] <Splarka>	or do pages look like Wikipedia (monobook skin)
[03:38:15] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Allow per-article and per-namespace messages above edit form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15102  +comment (10public)
[03:38:17] <Onit>	yes, myskin skin
[03:38:24] <Onit>	it is ugly! ehehe
[03:41:46] <Onit>	Splarka! I did it!
[03:41:48] <Onit>	Thanx!
[03:42:50] <Splarka>	purge your cache after every edit ^_^
[03:43:28] <Onit>	that�s it :)
[03:43:38] <Onit>	ctrl + refresh (IE)
[03:56:18] <Onit>	Bye people! thanx Splarka!
[03:56:34] <Splarka>	rar
[04:51:48] <werdna>	wow, I am awesome
[04:51:52] <werdna>	http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=i44m51&s=5
[04:55:38] <Splarka>	that "back" looks lonely
[04:55:58] *werdna 	shrugs
[04:56:45] <Splarka>	sexy UI though
[05:04:36] <CIA-60>	03philip * r48336 10/trunk/phase3/ (12 files in 5 dirs): 
[05:04:36] <CIA-60>	1. LanguageConverter enabled for LanguageGan, per the request from Gan Wikipedia.
[05:04:36] <CIA-60>	2. Update the Chinese conversion tables.
[05:04:55] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r48337 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Add diffs to AbuseFilter. Includes a related pare-down of history, under the assumption that diffs will take up the slack
[05:10:12] <werdna>	abeet
[05:12:42] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) AbuseFilter needs diffs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17933  +comment (10Andrew)
[05:18:01] <Ladonna>	AbuseFilter got back?
[05:18:28] <werdna>	??
[05:19:12] <Splarka>	I like big DIFFS and I cannot like, you other admins can't deny...
[05:19:16] <Splarka>	lie, sigh
[05:20:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable GlobalCssJs extension on Wikimedia wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13953   +need-review +patch +shell; summary (10pathoschild+wmbugs)
[05:21:18] <Ladonna>	+need-review / +shell are mutually exclusive.
[05:23:06] <Pathoschild>	It may need to be reviewed before implementation, but they don't seem mutually exclusive to me; the bug requires a shell to implement, but needs to be reviewed first.
[05:23:25] <Splarka>	heh
[05:23:32] <Splarka>	that one was onna mine, but it was much more suited to Wikia
[05:23:50] <CIA-60>	03philip * r48339 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: Follow up on r48336, update RELEASE-NOTES.
[05:23:50] <Ladonna>	But if a sheller like Je/LuF comes across the bug, he can't do anything with it.
[05:23:50] <Splarka>	(one of my "please write this" "k", not one I wrote)
[05:24:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable GlobalCssJs extension on Wikimedia wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13953  -shell  (10pathoschild+wmbugs)
[05:24:18] <Pathoschild>	There we go.
[05:24:18] <Splarka>	I wouldn't trust it on WMF out of hand, I mean, many accounts aren't merged
[05:24:34] <Ladonna>	:-)
[05:24:38] <Splarka>	when it was first enabled on Wikia it applied to logged out users too (oops)
[05:24:55] <Pathoschild>	:P
[05:26:01] <Pathoschild>	Is there something like userIsGlobal(), so it would only work if the account was merged into a global account?
[05:26:27] *Pathoschild 	looks into CentralAuth.
[05:26:41] <Splarka>	then the extension would need some rewriting to use it, eh?
[05:26:46] <Pathoschild>	Yep.
[05:26:54] <Splarka>	also, would it always come from meta?
[05:26:58] <Splarka>	or from the user's home wiki?
[05:27:08] <Splarka>	we chose the central wikia, since we could then keep an eye on it
[05:27:19] <Pathoschild>	Meta would work, but home wiki would probably be ideal.
[05:27:45] <Pathoschild>	Particularly if the user's global account can't be merged on Meta due to a conflicting local account (oops).
[05:28:09] <Splarka>	hmm
[05:28:21] <Splarka>	that would be annoying
[05:28:36] <Splarka>	but perhaps there could be a syntax like User:Splarka@global/global.js
[05:28:54] <Splarka>	for CA users without meta accounts, that could be created by an admin and linked to their home wiki
[05:28:58] <Splarka>	(hax)
[05:28:58] <werdna>	good god no
[05:29:08] <Splarka>	god is not good
[05:29:10] <werdna>	I hate hate hate the User:X@ywiki syntax
[05:29:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow global user CSS/JS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13953  -need-review -patch ; summary; +comment (10Andrew)
[05:29:17] *Splarka 	grins
[05:29:17] <Splarka>	so fix it
[05:29:20] <werdna>	it's horrible
[05:29:25] <werdna>	there's a bug open for that
[05:29:34] <werdna>	needs some schema changes and I'm lazy
[05:29:41] <Splarka>	is it on brion's list of "make the new guy do it" ?
[05:29:43] <Splarka>	ahh
[05:52:05] <Ladonna>	What kind of syntax do you prefer?
[05:52:18] <werdna>	m:User:X
[05:52:23] <werdna>	en:User:Y
[05:52:32] <Ladonna>	en: doesn't mean anything...
[05:52:42] <werdna>	sure, it's an interwiki prefix
[05:52:44] <Ladonna>	w:en:User:X , I guess?
[05:52:59] <werdna>	the User:X@ywiki is supposed to be a title.
[05:53:12] <werdna>	that's why it's linked
[05:53:15] <Ladonna>	Well, that assumption has always been horrible.
[05:53:38] <Ladonna>	User pages != user accounts (think Title: versus User:). Bah.
[05:53:38] <Splarka>	User: [          X] wiki: [ Wikipedia] language: [en]
[05:53:58] <werdna>	that doesn't mean we abandon all hope and work against it
[05:54:10] <Splarka>	why does it /HAVE/ to be condensed to one input box?
[05:54:15] <werdna>	in general, you can usually find a title for most things that you do an action "to"
[05:54:20] <Ladonna>	But it also doesn't mean you encourage it or propagate it...
[05:54:35] <Splarka>	heh
[05:54:56] <Splarka>	Special:Log/delete or /protect vs Special:Log/rights or /block, annoying
[05:58:42] <werdna>	Ladonna: it's generally an okay assumption.
[05:58:49] <werdna>	especially for the time.
[06:01:46] <Ladonna>	I think it's smarter to avoid having more things rely on it.
[06:02:29] <werdna>	not really, we still store rights log entries as a namespace,title tuple
[06:02:39] <werdna>	namespace: NS_USER
[06:02:52] <werdna>	title: X@ywiki
[06:02:56] <werdna>	doesn't make sense
[06:06:04] <Ladonna>	user,project,language
[06:07:56] <Actown>	Where does mediawiki look for a cusom CSS for the wiki?
[06:08:02] <Actown>	custom*
[06:08:03] <Actown>	:P
[06:08:05] <Splarka>	!css
[06:08:05] --mwbot--	To change styles for your wiki, go to one of the MediaWiki:xxx.css wiki page (NOT a file) and put your custom styles there (sysop/admin rights required). MediaWiki:Common.css is for all skins and should be used for content styles. MediaWiki:Monobook.css is for the MonoBook skin (default), etc. For more information, see !skins and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skin_configuration>
[06:08:22] <Actown>	No, in the code
[06:08:28] <Actown>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17613
[06:08:33] <Actown>	i was going to look into that bug :)
[06:09:00] <Splarka>	it shouldn't have to look at all
[06:09:08] <Splarka>	it just creates a <link> and lets the browser handle it
[06:09:31] <Splarka>	the browser then makes a call to RawPage.php to retrieve the raw message as ctype=text/css
[06:09:45] <Actown>	so i should start looking at RawrPage.php?
[06:09:58] <Splarka>	they need to provide more info
[06:10:27] <Splarka>	like if the <link> is being created, or if the raw page is failing with "Raw pages must be accessed through the primary script entry point.
[06:10:38] <Actown>	it would be nice, should I get in contact with the reporter?
[06:10:55] <Splarka>	hmm
[06:11:08] *Splarka 	thinks
[06:13:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) 1.14 ignores MediaWiki:Common.css - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17613  (10herd)
[06:13:34] *Splarka 	adds some questions
[06:14:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Protectedpages doesn't show pre-1.10 protections - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11487  (10jidanni)
[06:16:05] <CIA-60>	03nad * r48340 10/trunk/extensions/RecordAdmin/RecordAdmin_body.php: use recordadmin-menubar class instead of center class for top command links
[06:16:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Protectedpages forgot NULL pr_expiry - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11487  (10jidanni)
[06:19:01] <Splarka>	Actown: to belatedly answer your question, in Skin.php...
[06:19:06] <Splarka>	if( $wgUseSiteCss ) {
[06:19:12] <Splarka>	$out->addStyle( self::makeNSUrl( 'Common.css', $query, NS_MEDIAWIKI ) );
[06:19:42] <Actown>	Thanks.
[06:20:32] <Splarka>	which generates a <link> calling something like /index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.css&amp;usemsgcache=yes&amp;ctype=text%2Fcss&amp;smaxage=2678400&amp;action=raw&amp;maxage=18000
[06:20:51] <Splarka>	which in RawPage.php ...
[06:21:19] <Splarka>	well, basically just gets handled
[06:21:54] <Splarka>	usemsgcache makes sure it uses the message cache... which might mean they have had their message cache reinitialized and so is ignoring their localised copy of Common.css
[06:22:02] <Splarka>	might be worth investilooking
[06:22:32] <Actown>	yeah, i'll keep a look out on that bug
[06:22:59] <Actown>	i just need to get up to speed on how the code works, i want to star helping out :)
[06:23:04] <Actown>	start*
[06:24:56] <CIA-60>	03nad * r48341 10/trunk/extensions/RecordAdmin/RecordAdmin_body.php: not separated by pipes anymore
[06:26:06] <Splarka>	the message cache is the cache of all the messages from /languages/messages/MessagesEn.php and language variants
[06:26:27] <Splarka>	as well as the overrides on-wiki in the MediaWiki: namespace
[06:26:36] <Splarka>	used for internationalization/localization
[06:27:03] <Splarka>	an abuse of the MediaWiki: namespace is the site css/js, as it is an auto-protected namespace so was found handy for minimal configuration crap
[06:27:23] <Actown>	yeah
[06:27:28] <Actown>	makes sence
[06:28:23] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r48342 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: Tweaked bug 10336 notes
[06:35:12] <Actown>	so to get started on helping out i should read up on http://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/ and anything else?
[06:40:12] <Splarka>	mediawiki.org (and ignore the old stuff and dumb stuff, most of it)
[06:41:34] <Actown>	I also joined the mailing list
[06:50:01] <Actown>	Well, Splarka thanks for the help, im off to bed so ill see you around
[06:50:08] <Splarka>	ciao
[07:16:01] <Nikerabbit>	hello Splarka
[07:16:25] <Splarka>	rarrabbit
[07:17:24] <Cait>	Ok I have Mediawiki installed and operational.. How do I check the IPs of the people who edit?
[07:18:01] <Splarka>	!checkuser
[07:18:01] --mwbot--	CheckUser is an extension that allows privileged users to see what IPs a user edited from or what users edited from an IP. For more information see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CheckUser >
[07:18:58] <Cait>	Thank you <3
[07:24:03] <Cait>	ok it says to run install.php from the "command line". Is that from cpanel?
[07:26:31] <Cait>	er, phpmyadmin
[08:10:33] <wigui>	hey all, i tried updating from 1.6.5 to 1.14...this is the result: http://wiki.celtsmelbourne.com/joecell/
[08:11:02] <wigui>	I just replaced all the data with the 1.14
[08:11:11] <wigui>	seems like that didn't work
[08:14:49] <wigui>	any idea on how to fix it?
[08:15:04] <domas>	did you run the upgrade script? :)
[08:15:33] <wigui>	hmmm...
[08:15:38] <wigui>	good question
[08:15:45] <wigui>	where do i find it? ;)
[08:15:54] <domas>	somewhere in maintenance/
[08:15:57] <domas>	do you have shell access? :)
[08:16:18] <wigui>	well, where would i find it? mySQL?
[08:17:13] <domas>	no, there's a script that does all database upgrades for you
[08:17:15] <domas>	mediawiki's
[08:17:22] <domas>	it is in mediawiki'sdir/maintenance/
[08:17:25] <domas>	upgrade.php or update.php
[08:17:27] <domas>	don't remember
[08:17:37] <wigui>	there's an update one
[08:17:47] <werdna>	domas: seen http://fc64.deviantart.com/fs22/f/2008/002/0/1/World_War_Two__Simple_Version_by_AngusMcLeod.jpg
[08:18:36] <domas>	haha
[08:20:09] <wigui>	sorry, complete noob here (obviously)
[08:20:19] <wigui>	where would I find shell access?
[08:21:28] <Raymond__>	werdna: good morning. could you pls have a look at http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spezial:Missbrauchsfilter-Logbuch?title=Spezial%3AMissbrauchsfilter-Logbuch&wpSearchUser=91.0.79.3&wpSearchFilter=2&wpSearchTitle= this list is empty. but http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spezial:Missbrauchsfilter/test/2?wpTestUser=91.0.79.3 shows a hit (after clicking OK)
[08:22:29] <ialex>	!update | wigui
[08:22:29] --mwbot--	wigui: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading
[08:23:23] <werdna>	Raymond__: ~~~~ can be in the added lines only when the filter is acatually checked
[08:23:31] <werdna>	because of pre=save transform
[08:24:05] <Raymond__>	ah ok
[08:24:14] <werdna>	workaround:
[08:24:24] <werdna>	search for '[[User:'+user_name
[08:24:42] <werdna>	or whatever
[08:25:21] <wigui>	can't find the maintenance folder on the MySQL database, only on the server
[08:25:32] <Raymond__>	werdna: thanks. will try 
[08:26:08] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) mention version at the top of api.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17925  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[08:27:29] <wigui>	can i get the terminal to access the ftp server or something? i'm completely lost :(
[08:29:53] <Raymond__>	werdna: hmm but why didn't triggered http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Benutzer_Diskussion:YourEyesOnly&diff=57753237&oldid=57749991 our filter 2?
[08:30:16] <Raymond__>	there were a lot of hits but not this one
[08:30:40] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) API boilerplate that doesn't knock stars around - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17950  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[08:33:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Query pages should limit to content namespaces, not just main namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8130  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[08:34:17] <wigui>	sorry, just quickly again. I can't find any info on the mediawiki site: where do i get shell access to my wiki install?
[08:36:50] <wigui>	subversion?
[08:40:36] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) API to create user (disabled by default) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17943  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[08:44:23] <wikibugs>	03(RESOLVED) API to create user (disabled by default) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17943  +comment (10p858snake)
[08:53:04] <werdna>	Raymond__: sorry, was reading
[08:53:07] <werdna>	still around?
[08:53:26] <Raymond__>	werdna: yes
[08:53:29] <werdna>	http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spezial:Missbrauchsfilter/examine/57542883&testfilter=!+%28%22~~~~%22+in+added_lines+%29+%26+%28+%28+article_namespace+%25+2+%29+%3D%3D+1+%29+%26+action+%3D%3D+%22edit%22+%26+!+%28+%22autoconfirmed%22+in+user_groups+%29+%26+edit_delta+%3E+50
[08:53:37] <werdna>	look at "removed lines"
[08:53:48] <werdna>	and added lines
[08:54:07] <werdna>	oh wait, never mind
[08:54:13] <werdna>	should have triggerred
[08:58:12] <werdna>	examine interface is broken for some reason
[09:07:46] <wikibugs>	03(RESOLVED) Object of class RSSFeed could not be converted to string - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17796  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[09:10:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Patch adding support to chose language and colorscheme to SyntaxHighlight_vim - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17949  (10N/A)
[09:13:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Show "Date format" on Special:Preferences in current time - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17947  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[09:55:39] <JosefAssad>	um, 'scuse the newbie question: a SCORM package, can it contain more than one course?
[09:56:16] <werdna>	sounds like not a mediawiki quesstion
[09:56:32] <JosefAssad>	oh boy, now I feel stupid... it's a Moodle question :(
[09:56:47] <JosefAssad>	and I'm not even on #moodle... sorry
[10:11:23] <SOS>	Hi guys I need to translate the mediawiki into Italian
[10:11:28] <SOS>	how can I do?
[10:11:41] <ilyak_>	Isn't it already?
[10:11:47] <SOS>	At the installation step I have selected the english
[10:11:50] <SOS>	:(
[10:12:20] <SOS>	how can I change it?
[10:12:24] <ilyak_>	Well, change teh preference
[10:12:28] <SOS>	or add the new language?
[10:12:30] <ilyak_>	in teh config
[10:12:32] <SOS>	where?
[10:12:35] <SOS>	ok
[10:12:52] <ialex>	LocalSettings.php, $wgLanguageCode
[10:12:55] <ilyak_>	in LocalSettings.php
[10:12:57] <ilyak_>	yeah
[10:13:51] <SOS>	I have already change it 
[10:14:06] <SOS>	but there are many labels still into english
[10:14:36] <SOS>	for instance:
[10:14:46] <SOS>	Main Page 				Community portal 			Current events 				Recent changes 				Random page 			Help 			 		
[10:15:03] <ilyak_>	I guess you can change a page which contains those
[10:15:07] <MinuteElectron>	 change the language in Special:Preferences
[10:15:15] <ilyak_>	It's MediaWiki:SiteBar or wherever it is
[10:15:37] <SOS>	MinuteElectron: special references?
[10:15:42] <SOS>	MinuteElectron, where is it?
[10:15:43] <MinuteElectron>	preferences
[10:15:45] <ilyak_>	You'll have to customize it anyway
[10:15:49] <MinuteElectron>	go to Special:Preferences
[10:16:05] <MinuteElectron>	change the language from english to italian
[10:16:32] <SOS>	MinuteElectron solved
[10:16:34] <SOS>	thanks
[10:16:55] <SOS>	exist some template on internet?
[10:17:11] <MinuteElectron>	for what?
[10:18:57] <SOS>	skins for mediawiki
[10:19:32] <MinuteElectron>	probably
[10:36:22] <p858snake>	!skins | SOS
[10:36:22] --mwbot--	SOS: Overview: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skins>. Skin usage: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Skins>. Gallery of CSS styles: <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gallery_of_user_styles>. Writing your own: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skinning>
[10:37:31] <SOS>	 p858snake solved thanks
[11:01:38] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r48343 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (8 files): 
[11:01:38] <CIA-60>	(bug 17112) Added dependencies checking for extensions
[11:01:38] <CIA-60>	For now, just added AntiSpoof dependency for AbuseFilter and $wgEnableEmail = true for ConfirmAccount
[11:02:58] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Allow Special:Extensions to be aware of dependencies - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17112  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[11:17:27] <SOS>	how can I read the wiki format text?
[11:17:54] <werdna>	with difficulty
[11:18:00] <SOS>	I need to know how can I create all the items
[11:28:09] <SOS>	how can I have create the menu?
[11:33:11] <SOS>	any idea?=
[11:33:29] <Duesentrieb>	what menu?
[11:33:33] <Duesentrieb>	the sidebar?
[11:33:35] <Duesentrieb>	!sidebar
[11:33:35] --mwbot--	To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar>.
[11:34:09] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r48344 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/Configure.ext.php: Use only one box even if there're more than one warning
[11:37:20] <werdna>	ialex: mmm, Configure
[11:37:27] <werdna>	remind me to bug brion
[11:37:53] <ialex>	:)
[11:38:34] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r48345 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/Views/AbuseFilterViewExamine.php: Add paging to examine
[11:42:15] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) AbuseFilter/examine needs paging - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17928  +comment (10Andrew)
[11:43:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) AbuseFilter warning page should display original page text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17822  (10Andrew)
[11:56:29] <SOS>	Duesentrieb, the left column
[11:56:41] <SOS>	Duesentrieb, I need to create a block with my menu
[11:57:34] <SOS>	is it possible create a tag like this one? {{Category_box|Getting started}}
[11:57:39] <davidt>	How do I go about getting somebody to commit my patch to MW-Head?
[11:57:47] <davidt>	SOS: A tag?
[11:57:57] <Wuzur|rhn>	davidt: bugzilla
[11:58:10] <Wuzur|rhn>	keywords: patch, need-review
[11:58:18] <SOS>	davidt, I don't know the real name
[11:58:22] <davidt>	Wuzur|rhn: It's there for a while now, even been reviewed, and I fixed all the comments I got.
[11:58:25] <davidt>	SOS: You mean a template?
[11:58:43] <ialex>	davidt: which bug?
[11:58:43] <SOS>	template helps me to create a menu?
[11:58:56] <SOS>	like the left menu?
[11:59:26] <davidt>	ialex: 17886
[11:59:42] <davidt>	!b 17886
[11:59:42] --mwbot--	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17886
[12:03:35] <SOS>	any idea?
[12:03:46] <wigui>	Hey there...how do I get rid of a '500 Internal Server Error'
[12:04:08] <wigui>	trying to do a fresh install
[12:04:28] <wigui>	http://guid0.fatcow.com/joecell/wiki/config/index.php
[12:05:40] <wigui>	http://guid0.fatcow.com/joecell/wiki/ looks good, but when I hit setup..
[12:15:09] <SOS>	How can I do a new page?
[12:20:51] <Duesentrieb>	!newpage
[12:20:51] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "newpage".
[12:20:55] <Duesentrieb>	oh?
[12:21:13] <Duesentrieb>	!createpage
[12:21:13] --mwbot--	The best way to create a new wiki page is to create a link to the not-yet-existing page on some page that does exist, save it, and then click the new red link and create the page. Alternatively, you can enter the name of the page in the search box and hit go and then create the page. For extensions that help with creating pages, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Page_creation_extensions>
[12:21:19] <Duesentrieb>	SOS: ^
[12:21:25] <Duesentrieb>	!newpage alias createpage
[12:21:25] --mwbot--	Successfully added alias: newpage
[12:25:40] <davidt>	SOS: Are you talking about the sidebar?
[12:26:02] <SOS>	I suppose yes
[12:26:02] <davidt>	ialex, Wuzur: So, how do I get it in?
[12:26:08] <SOS>	I don't know the name
[12:26:32] <davidt>	SOS: You edit the MediaWiki:Sidebar page
[12:26:42] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r48346 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/Skin.php): (bug 17778) MediaWiki:Catseparator can now have HTML entities
[12:27:18] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Garbage shown when using {{int:}} in MediaWiki:Catseparator - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17778  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[12:27:31] <SOS>	davidt: how?
[12:27:44] <davidt>	SOS: Just open that page in your wiki
[12:27:50] <davidt>	SOS: Type it in the "Search" box
[12:28:26] <SOS>	okmlet me try it
[12:29:02] <davidt>	^demon: hi
[12:29:27] <^demon>	davidt: Good morning.
[12:29:35] <davidt>	^demon: How are you?
[12:30:05] <SOS>	davidt, ok At the moment I can see the Sidebar edit page
[12:30:18] <SOS>	davidt, it is empty
[12:30:32] <^demon>	davidt: Fine I suppose. Too many things on the todo list for today :-\
[12:30:58] <davidt>	^demon: yeah, same here, actually.
[12:31:00] <Wuzur|rhn>	davidt: wait for the next commiter, look if he is on irc and ping him ;)
[12:31:12] <^demon>	davidt: Need something committed?
[12:31:25] <davidt>	^demon: Do you remember the patch I did for SpecialExport?
[12:31:27] <Wuzur|rhn>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17886
[12:31:55] <davidt>	^demon: I've been wondering how can I get it commited.
[12:32:22] <^demon>	Begging a code review from a committer :p
[12:32:32] <SOS>	what have I do, now?
[12:32:46] <^demon>	So this fixes the hard-coded SQL and adds the per-namespace exporting?
[12:32:53] <davidt>	^demon: yeah
[12:33:11] <davidt>	^demon: I fixed the stuff Roan told me to, and I did a patch against mw-head.
[12:33:24] <davidt>	^demon: And made it use the namespaceSelector instead of a text-box.
[12:34:07] <^demon>	What kind of performance does it get?
[12:34:22] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Allow blocking of global accounts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15294  +comment (10Andrew)
[12:34:22] <^demon>	IE: Does it need to be disabled on enwiki because someone will try to export ns0?
[12:34:40] <davidt>	^demon: I limit it to 5,000 results.
[12:35:21] <^demon>	Gotcha I see that now.
[12:35:33] <davidt>	^demon: It's more useful to export Templates and Help pages... I don't actually see a use for exporting ns0
[12:35:48] <^demon>	Nor do I, but someone will try it.
[12:35:57] <davidt>	^demon: Well, he'll get 5000 pages then.
[12:36:08] <Reedy>	pah, that isnt over 9000
[12:36:42] <davidt>	Reedy: 9000?
[12:36:51] <Reedy>	its an internet joke
[12:37:09] <werdna>	if you can call it a joke'
[12:37:17] <Reedy>	well, yeah, "joke"
[12:37:22] <Reedy>	/fad/whatever
[12:37:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow blocking of global accounts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15294  (10mikelifeguard)
[12:37:55] <Nikerabbit>	hi Duesentrieb 
[12:38:03] <Nikerabbit>	and hi ^demon 
[12:38:12] <davidt>	^demon: Should I use a different limit?
[12:39:12] <^demon>	davidt: Maybe make it configurable?
[12:39:36] <davidt>	^demon: In LocalSettings?
[12:39:43] <davidt>	^demon: I think 5,000 is a sane limit.
[12:40:11] <davidt>	^demon: Unless there's already a generaly "limit" variable.
[12:40:15] <davidt>	general even
[12:41:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow blocking of global accounts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15294  (10Andrew)
[12:41:39] <^demon>	davidt: RELEASE-NOTES and messages.inc need updating.
[12:42:57] <davidt>	^demon: ok, will do now.
[12:42:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable Abuse Filter on English Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15684  (10Andrew)
[12:44:09] <CIA-60>	03greg * r48347 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/updaters.inc: Specify DEFAULT 0 on upgrade to ipb_deleted, in case they had old version of '0'::char
[12:44:45] <werdna>	Do we have a multilingual version of strtotime()?
[12:45:18] <werdna>	In general, what is the procedure for allowing other languages to enter dates and times?
[12:45:32] *werdna 	is looking at Nikerabbit
[12:45:38] <domas>	*facepalm*
[12:45:59] <^demon>	Nikerabbit: Hi, btw.
[12:46:05] <werdna>	domas: ?
[12:46:21] <domas>	I was thinking about calendars
[12:46:24] <domas>	like iranian calendars
[12:46:25] <domas>	in core
[12:46:26] <domas>	:-/
[12:46:46] <Nikerabbit>	werdna: am I cute?
[12:46:53] <werdna>	Nikerabbit: dunno
[12:46:59] <werdna>	that's why I'm looking
[12:47:01] <werdna>	to find out
[12:47:03] <Nikerabbit>	oh
[12:47:12] <Nikerabbit>	short answer: it sucks
[12:47:45] <werdna>	my general strategy for dates is to buy flowers and stuff
[12:47:53] <werdna>	foreign girls I do prefer
[12:48:13] <Nikerabbit>	what we could do, is to force some kind of more regular date&time input instead of freetext
[12:48:26] <werdna>	temporal data, I tend to just give a textbox and strtotime
[12:48:58] <Nikerabbit>	would be easier to localise then
[12:49:01] *werdna 	does enjoy "last tuesday" as datetime input
[12:49:31] <Nikerabbit>	doing it good is hard, we can't support everything
[12:49:55] <werdna>	we do a damn good job for most stuff l10n
[12:50:27] <Nikerabbit>	possibly: * duration X [seconds,minutes,...] and  * exact date [some nice calender picker]
[12:50:42] <Nikerabbit>	but you are correct last tuesday is just so much easier
[12:50:51] <werdna>	:)
[12:52:58] <CIA-60>	03yaron * r48348 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormUtils.inc: Fixed validate_mandatory_radiobutton() to actually work
[12:55:42] <Nikerabbit>	werdna: so did you finish looking yet?
[12:56:47] <werdna>	Nikerabbit: looking at?
[12:57:17] <Nikerabbit>	werdna: yes, looking at
[12:58:32] <werdna>	looking at what
[12:59:54] <Nikerabbit>	at me!
[13:00:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Export all pages from a custom namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17886  +comment (10davidt)
[13:01:06] <davidt>	^demon: New patch, with RELEASE-NOTES and messages.inc
[13:02:25] <^demon>	Saw it. I'll apply and test some more.
[13:05:03] <davidt>	^demon: cool, thanks
[13:05:58] <yannf>	{{#if:{{{author|}}}|[[Category:{{author|}}}]]|}} why this doesn't work as expected?
[13:06:08] <yannf>	i.e. doesn't give [[Category:First_name Last_name]] if author = First_name Last_name
[13:06:18] <yannf>	http://wikilivres.info/wiki/Template:Title
[13:06:36] <yannf>	result: http://wikilivres.info/wiki/Mass_Psychology_of_Fascism
[13:07:17] <yannf>	{{#if:{{{translator|}}}|[[Category:Translations by {{{translator|}}}]]|}} this works in the same template
[13:08:08] <yannf>	oops, my bad /o\
[13:08:21] <yannf>	a missing {
[13:08:32] <davidt>	:)
[13:08:49] <Nikerabbit>	oh what do we have yere :)
[13:08:50] <Nikerabbit>	hi yannf
[13:11:13] <CIA-60>	03demon * r48349 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 4 dirs): (bug 17886) Export all pages by namespace. Also cleans up some hard-coded SQL in getPagesFromCategory(). Patch by davidt.
[13:11:16] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Export all pages from a custom namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17886  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[13:11:41] <davidt>	cool
[13:30:46] <davidt>	^demon: So, lots of stuff in your todo? :)
[13:35:17] <Nikerabbit>	Simetrical: isn't there also mysql cache if memcached isn't available?
[13:38:47] <^demon>	davidt: Homework mostly :-\
[13:38:52] <^demon>	Nikerabbit: CACHE_DB, yeah.
[13:39:24] <Simetrical>	Nikerabbit, yeah, maybe.  Depends.  Anyway, you still have to hit the database tons of times per page view, it's not very fast.
[13:39:25] <Simetrical>	AFAIK.
[13:39:28] <Simetrical>	I haven't tried.
[13:41:15] <Nikerabbit>	Simetrical: just once to load the whole cache?
[13:41:39] <Simetrical>	Uh, it loads the whole cache into every PHP process' memory?  I hope not.
[13:42:34] <Simetrical>	It certainly doesn't do that with memcached.
[13:43:06] <Simetrical>	(How is MessagesEn.php only 230K?  I could swear it was much bigger.)
[13:45:38] <Simetrical>	$ php -r 'error_reporting(0); require_once("languages/messages/MessagesEn.php"); echo memory_get_peak_usage() . "\n";'1202864
[13:45:59] <Simetrical>	Loading 1.1M from the database every request would not be a good idea.
[13:50:07] <Bagualas>	hello im trying do edit this wiki/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sidebar&action=edit and I cant... Im using the user I created in the installation!
[13:50:10] <Bagualas>	why I cant ?
[13:51:52] <davidt>	Bagualas: Is it a sysop user?
[13:52:23] <Bagualas>	davidt, I think so
[13:52:30] <Bagualas>	dont remember having another user created
[13:52:32] <davidt>	What error you get?
[13:52:47] <Bagualas>	just permission of editing error
[13:54:14] <Bagualas>	just may I see witch is the sysop user?
[13:56:22] <davidt>	hmm
[13:56:29] <davidt>	Bagualas: Special:UserRights/(username)
[13:56:47] <Bagualas>	where I find that? 
[13:56:52] <Bagualas>	sry Im newbie in mediawiki
[13:57:00] <davidt>	Bagualas: Tyep that into the "Search" text box
[13:57:06] <^demon>	davidt: If he's not logged in as a sysop, UserRights won't do any good.
[13:57:28] <davidt>	^demon: true, but he says that user is supposed to be sysop - that way he can check it.
[13:57:39] <davidt>	Is there a way to make a MW internal link to open in a new window?
[13:57:53] <Bagualas>	didnt allow to see that thing
[13:58:03] <davidt>	Bagualas: Then you are not a sysop.
[13:58:09] <Bagualas>	lol 
[13:58:11] <Bagualas>	:S
[13:58:19] <^demon>	Bagualas: Go to "Special:ListUsers" on your wiki. See what user has "Administrator" next to their name
[13:59:22] <Bagualas>	it show up two users
[13:59:30] <Bagualas>	both dont have Administrator next to the name
[13:59:52] <Bagualas>	I put to list only Administrator, none 
[14:01:07] <^demon>	:-\
[14:01:20] <Bagualas>	how It doesnt have any administrator?
[14:01:28] <Bagualas>	is there a way to register another
[14:01:29] <Bagualas>	?
[14:01:32] <^demon>	Dunno. But we can fix it hopefully.
[14:01:34] <^demon>	Do you have command line access to the computer you're running the wiki on?
[14:01:54] <Bagualas>	no :(
[14:02:22] <^demon>	Ok. What about something like phpMyAdmin?
[14:02:41] <Bagualas>	yep :)
[14:02:58] <Bagualas>	w8, ill open it
[14:03:10] <^demon>	Ok. Well open up phpmyadmin for the database you installed the wiki in.
[14:06:51] <^demon>	Also, go to "Special:Preferences" while logged in as the user you want to be a sysop. You need to know your user ID number (it's near the top. I'm assuming it's 1, probably)
[14:06:56] <Bagualas>	w8 a sec... problems with password
[14:06:57] <Bagualas>	hehehe
[14:07:55] <Bagualas>	ok, im in phpmyadmin
[14:09:04] <Bagualas>	^demon, its number 1 :P
[14:09:40] <^demon>	Alrighty. Do you see the mediawiki tables (should see a whole bunch of them. page, revision, templatelinks, etc). Do they all have a prefix like mw_ or something?
[14:10:44] <Bagualas>	I dont see prefix
[14:11:25] <^demon>	Ok then. Go to "SQL" at the top, and paste this in:
[14:11:35] <^demon>	INSERT INTO usergroups VALUES( 1, 'sysop' ); INSERT INTO usergroups VALUES( 1, 'bureaucrat' );
[14:11:39] <^demon>	And press go.
[14:11:53] <^demon>	Bah bah.
[14:11:53] <^demon>	No
[14:12:04] <^demon>	INSERT INTO user_groups VALUES( 1, 'sysop' ); INSERT INTO user_groups VALUES( 1, 'bureaucrat' );
[14:12:11] <^demon>	underscore between user_groups.
[14:13:21] <Bagualas>	anything else man??
[14:13:35] <Bagualas>	I list in the wiki, and shows my user as adn admin x)
[14:14:23] <^demon>	Should be it. If you're an administrator and bureaucrat, you should be good to go.
[14:14:44] <Bagualas>	xDD
[14:14:48] <Bagualas>	thanks so much man!
[14:14:57] <^demon>	No problem at all.
[14:25:21] <BeBoo_>	I know this might not be exactly the right place to ask but I have a wiki setup and would like to have a bot announce when a page was edited/created and how much it changed. I've seen bots to this but i can't find anything. It was suggested to use an rss script to do it but the RSS feed doesn't include the amount of change. I looked for eggdrop scripts. The output I always see is: [[<pagename]] N <url> * <user> * (+/-###) <Summary>
[14:25:59] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Special:ListFiles problem with PostgreSQL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17887  +comment (10greg)
[14:26:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) ListFiles: Internal Error (Postgres) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17676  +comment (10greg)
[14:26:12] <Nikerabbit>	BeBoo_: OverlordQ has nice stand-alone script for it
[14:26:20] <Web-sidux425>	Hallo, welches ist die schnellste Zusammenstellung von Programmen mit Mediawiki? Netzdokumentenvermittler: Lighttpd, Datenbank:MySql, MySql5? Wer kann Hinweise auf "Geschwindigkeitsmessungen" geben? Gibt es Messprogramme daf�r?
[14:26:20] <CIA-60>	03greg * r48350 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialListfiles.php: 
[14:26:20] <CIA-60>	Add all columns to GROUP BY for databases that need them (e.g. not MySQL).
[14:26:20] <CIA-60>	Fixes bug 17676
[14:26:48] <BeBoo_>	is OverlordQ around?
[14:26:52] <Nikerabbit>	does someone speak german?
[14:26:53] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Delete page layout problem - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17951 minor; Normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (bugzilla.wikimedia)
[14:27:05] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) ListFiles: Internal Error (Postgres) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17676  +comment (10greg)
[14:27:20] <Nikerabbit>	BeBoo_: if he isn't, try google
[14:27:47] <Web-sidux425>	Are there Messure Programs to messure the speed of Mediawiki?
[14:28:35] <Web-sidux425>	To get results between Netdocumentsender Apache and Lighttpd.
[14:28:51] <Web-sidux425>	Or between Mysql and Postgresql.
[14:29:00] <Web-sidux425>	Databankprogramms.
[14:31:47] <CIA-60>	03greg * r48351 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: Note recent fix.
[14:34:15] <davidt>	Is there different cache settings for different namespaces? Like, is the Project namespace defined as non-cachable for Squid?
[14:34:47] <flyingparchment>	no
[14:35:16] <flyingparchment>	but i think some magic words can change cache time
[14:35:53] <CIA-60>	03greg * r48352 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/ (postgres/tables.sql updaters.inc): Add user_hidden column to mwuser table for Postgres schema.
[14:39:17] <CIA-60>	03greg * r48353 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/postgres/compare_schemas.pl: Exclude new tables from parserTests.inc test
[14:40:40] <Web-sidux425>	Which is quickest Mediawiki Configuration?
[14:46:42] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Use of undefined constant DATE_W3C - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17952 minor; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (sergey.chernyshev)
[14:46:47] <CIA-60>	03greg * r48354 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/postgres/tables.sql: Make oldimage nullabilities match image ones, per not on bug 15815
[14:47:07] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) PostgreSQL:Forgotten to ALTER type of oi_metadata to bytea in updaters.inc - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15815  +comment (10greg)
[15:04:07] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Feature request - 'revert all' button - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17856  +comment (10aude.wiki)
[15:16:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow image thumb output format to be specified - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1316  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[15:21:25] <CIA-60>	03greg * r48355 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/updaters.inc: Add ability to toggle NULL/NOT NULL on Postgres columns: use for recent oldimage changes.
[15:34:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Windows PHP 5.2.6 precompiled binaries and Postgresql numeric version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16937  +comment (10greg)
[15:37:21] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Add a switch for SETting the search_path (Postgres) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15816  +comment (10greg)
[16:04:20] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) mediawiki-1.13.2.patch.gz has incorrect md5 sum - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15818  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[16:10:16] <CIA-60>	03yaron * r48356 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticResultFormats/BibTeX/SRF_BibTeX.php: Added handling of 'doi' parameter, via Steren
[16:17:08] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) DefaultSettings.php $wgReadOnlyFile comment clarifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12433  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[16:18:21] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) rdf export does not generate valid XML - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17953 major; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (aaron.graves)
[16:22:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Single quote inside triple quote bold (''') parsing error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13227  15enhancement->trivial; summary; +comment (10adrian.a.archer)
[16:32:53] <CIA-60>	03demon * r48357 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: (bug 16174) Mention that blacklists are case-insensitive by default
[16:32:54] <CIA-60>	03demon * r48358 10/trunk/extensions/TitleBlacklist/TitleBlacklist.i18n.php: (bug 16174) Mention that blacklists are case-insensitive by default
[16:33:19] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Add a note to blacklists that RegExps are case-*in*-sensitive by default - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16174  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[16:47:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow blocking of global accounts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15294  (10mikelifeguard)
[16:54:02] <davidt>	Anybody has experience with MediaWiki and Varnish?
[17:08:32] <markisoke>	Hallo, is dit een nederlandse chat?
[17:09:17] <markisoke>	Weet iemand hoe ik een bericht op alle pagina's kan instellen?
[17:10:18] <markisoke>	Nows anybody how i can put a message on every page?
[17:10:53] <root-80686>	[[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]]
[17:11:47] <markisoke>	Nows enybody how i can put a message on all pages?
[17:11:55] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Thumbnails of specific DjVu pages should link to the appropriate page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8479  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[17:12:04] <Duesentrieb>	!sitenotice | markisoke
[17:12:04] --mwbot--	markisoke: Sitenotice is a wiki-wide message that appears at the top of the page for all users. It is editable by users in the sysop usergroup at [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]]. See also: !anonnotice
[17:14:11] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) DjVu renderer doesn't handle malformed filenames properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8481  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[17:14:31] <markisoke>	Thx
[17:15:53] <markisoke>	Can anybody check this page http://twwiki.twproject.nl/index.php/Speciaal:Statistieken
[17:16:06] <markisoke>	Mediawiki give an error
[17:17:01] <funkja>	Is there a way I can have a link on my wiki that changes a guest's skin?
[17:28:57] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Translation is incomplete - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17954 major; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: AbuseFilter; (dasch_87)
[17:46:11] <CIA-60>	03demon * r48359 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: (bug 11192) tog-extendwatchlist wording too cryptic
[17:46:31] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) tog-extendwatchlist wording too cryptic - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11192  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[17:48:57] <wikibugs>	03(RESOLVED) ListFiles: Internal Error (Postgres) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17676   +postgresql (10alex.emsenhuber)
[17:49:00] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) PostgreSQL/pgsql support (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384  (10alex.emsenhuber)
[17:49:25] <wikibugs>	03(RESOLVED) ListFiles: Internal Error (Postgres) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17676  (10alex.emsenhuber)
[17:49:29] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) PostgreSQL/pgsql support (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384  (10alex.emsenhuber)
[17:55:26] <CIA-60>	03sergeychernyshev * r48360 10/trunk/extensions/Widgets/Widgets.php: 0.8.5 Allowing parameters without values to work as bulean "true" and converting test "false" into boolean false (which is not the case in PHP itself).
[17:55:53] <CIA-60>	03sergeychernyshev * r48361 10/tags/extensions/Widgets/REL_0_8_5/ (. Widgets.php Widgets.php compiled_templates/.htaccess): 
[17:55:53] <CIA-60>	0.8.5 Allowing parameters without values to work as bulean "true" and converting test "false" into boolean false (
[17:55:53] <CIA-60>	which is not the case in PHP itself).
[17:56:39] <CIA-60>	03sergeychernyshev * r48362 10/trunk/extensions/Widgets/Makefile: Copying should be done manually.
[18:03:43] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r48363 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialListfiles.php: 
[18:03:43] <CIA-60>	* Fixed the query, so that the count correctly works on PostgreSQL, selecting "COUNT(oi_archive_name) as count" rather than "COUNT(oi_archive_name)"
[18:03:43] <CIA-60>	* Whitespaces tweaks
[18:04:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Show "Date format" on Special:Preferences in current time - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17947  (10umherirrender_de.wp)
[18:04:31] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Show end of image names in categories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17955 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Images; (le.korrigan)
[18:04:33] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Add a maintenance script to delete orphaned redirects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13373  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[18:11:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) noinclude not working while includeonly does with pages to be preloaded - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17723  (10umherirrender_de.wp)
[18:15:27] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Array to string conversion in parser tests - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13384  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[18:32:48] <Nikerabbit>	TimStarling: are you working on the improved message cache yet?
[18:33:15] <TimStarling>	no
[18:33:33] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) radio buttons not showing up on history page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8971  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[18:34:05] <Nikerabbit>	TimStarling: but it is on your todo-list?
[18:35:55] <TimStarling>	no
[18:36:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) API boilerplate that doesn't knock stars around - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17950  (10jidanni)
[18:36:18] <TimStarling>	and I don't think there will be any room for it any time soon since I've got about 6 months of "urgent" work to do
[18:36:32] <Nikerabbit>	ok
[18:37:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow image thumb output format to be specified - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1316  (10plugwash)
[18:38:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable FlaggedRevs Patrolling Configuration on is.wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16476  (10rhalsell)
[18:38:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable FlaggedRevs Patrolling Configuration on ia.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16485  (10rhalsell)
[18:39:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Object of class RSSFeed could not be converted to string - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17796  (10jidanni)
[18:53:39] <CIA-60>	03dale * r48364 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/mv_embed/libEmbedObj/mv_nativeEmbed.js: displaying loading information in native player loads
[19:13:03] <simonrvn>	markisoke: don't /notice people like that
[19:14:57] <chuck>	is it possible to get a dump of the Help namespace on MediaWiki.org?
[19:15:50] <Reedy>	Yup
[19:15:53] <Reedy>	Special Export
[19:15:58] <Reedy>	Isnt there a page about that?
[19:16:42] <chuck>	won't it timeout with such a big dump, though?
[19:16:56] <chuck>	and Special:Export will not do images
[19:17:03] <Reedy>	Its not that big
[19:17:12] <Reedy>	Its a common thing to do to get the basic pages
[19:17:17] <Reedy>	And yeah, you'd need to manually do images
[19:17:46] <Reedy>	Thought so - http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:PD_help/Copying
[19:17:55] <chuck>	oh wow, it isn't that big at all
[19:18:28] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Uniwiki Layouts: Edge case with assigning Category - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17956 minor; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Uniwiki; (mikel_maron)
[19:24:31] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Infrastructure for image/video file uploads by FTP - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17957 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Uploading; (brion)
[19:24:37] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) DNS Changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17958 major; Normal; Wikimedia: DNS; (hcatlin)
[19:27:05] <simonrvn>	no it's just text xml output, and not a lot. <-- has done it before 
[19:27:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Set up DNS CNAME for rhosync.m.wikipedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17958   +shell; summary; +comment (10brion)
[19:35:05] <^demon>	hcatlin: Btw, bug 17936 is for you. :)
[19:38:11] <hcatlin>	^demon|away: Android isn't *officially* supported yet
[19:38:15] <hcatlin>	and i'm waiting for my test hardware to arrive
[19:38:42] <hcatlin>	also, you are welcome to write a patch to the CSS. ;)
[19:38:57] <Splarka>	markisoke: please disable that mIRC script for this channel
[19:39:09] <flyingparchment>	what script?
[19:39:15] <Splarka>	that one
[19:40:29] <brion-meeting>	?
[19:40:39] <flyingparchment>	it's sending an onjoin notice to everyone.  -markisoke- Hallo flyingparchment , welkom op #mediawiki
[19:41:25] <brion-meeting>	well, that sounds mildly annoying :)
[19:41:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Show/hide further email conf. options depending on the E-mail features (global) option - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17762  (10mgrabovsky)
[19:43:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Show/hide further email conf. options depending on the E-mail features (global) option - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17762  +comment (10brion)
[19:50:06] <^demon|away>	hcatlin: You ordered the ADP?
[19:54:08] <Kartman>	hello i have a question at the cebit i was at the wikimedia "station" an have talked with someone at the end he will send me a e-mail with a pdf about it and i have no one so i would contact him but i don't know his name and i will speak in german when its possible
[19:56:30] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Inline rendering/thumbnailing for Gimp XCF images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17959 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Images; (brion)
[19:58:58] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Set up DNS CNAME for rhosync.m.wikipedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17958  +comment (10rhalsell)
[20:01:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Set up DNS CNAME for rhosync.m.wikipedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17958  (10brion)
[20:03:17] <Kartman>	can anyone help me?
[20:04:30] <Reedy>	what was the pdf about?
[20:12:44] <Kartman>	they have a book on the cebit an this one as pdf 
[20:12:58] <Kartman>	i search the book wait
[20:16:38] <Kartman>	http://www.springer.com/computer/database+management+%26+information+retrieval/book/978-3-540-35110-8 this one
[20:19:58] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r48365 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/rebuildFileCache.php: rm useless output msg
[20:21:43] <LittleBlueFrog>	Hello. I'd like to know from developers if there are problems a priori with two suggestions (MediaWiki changes for Wikipedia), can it be done here or in #wikimedia-tech?
[20:23:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Thumbnail rendering of SVGs broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8566  (10jnv11)
[20:31:21] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Infrastructure for image/video file uploads by FTP - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17957  +comment (10dale)
[20:32:32] <AmericanEagle>	how can I make navboxes collaspe?
[20:33:35] <AmericanEagle>	for simple.wikiquote.org. I can't figure it out
[20:37:53] <Splarka>	AmericanEagle: it requires some JS, some CSS, and some templates
[20:38:04] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NavFrame
[20:38:13] <AmericanEagle>	woah
[20:38:13] <AmericanEagle>	ok
[20:38:26] <LittleBlueFrog>	AmericanEagle : See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Navbox and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Navbox_with_collapsible_groups
[20:38:48] <LittleBlueFrog>	AmericanEagle : For the code of working templates.
[20:38:52] <Simetrical>	LittleBlueFrog, your suggestion would be perfectly possible, as far as I can think of.
[20:39:03] <Simetrical>	Of limited utility in most cases, though.
[20:39:14] <AmericanEagle>	well, I know how to use them, but not how to close them
[20:39:17] <Simetrical>	Might be handy for some pages.
[20:39:50] <LittleBlueFrog>	Simetrical: I take it you're answering from my question in the other chan.
[20:39:58] <Simetrical>	LittleBlueFrog, yes.
[20:40:38] <S_O_S>	Hi guys
[20:40:44] <Splarka>	AmericanEagle: does simple already have the css/js/templates?
[20:40:49] <S_O_S>	how can I manage the users?
[20:40:59] <LittleBlueFrog>	Simetrical: There are many maintenance pages with sections and one subsection per issue, and adding a new issue results in the wrong link very often because of numbers changed.
[20:41:37] <AmericanEagle>	Splarka: yes, but not what is on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NavFrame
[20:41:42] <Splarka>	if so you should be able to use class="collapsed" to have it autohidden by default
[20:41:47] <Splarka>	ahh, older version?
[20:41:58] <AmericanEagle>	not surwe
[20:42:01] <AmericanEagle>	*sure
[20:42:36] <S_O_S>	any idea?
[20:43:00] <^demon>	S_O_S: You'll have to be more specific.
[20:43:36] <S_O_S>	hi ^demon I need to manage the users inside my installation
[20:43:47] <Splarka>	not that kind of specific
[20:44:01] <Splarka>	elaborate on 'manage'
[20:44:12] <LittleBlueFrog>	Simetrical: From the HTML source of a Wikipedia page, the TOC is outputted after the lead and before the sections, so I thought that the numbering of sections as 1, 1.1, 1.2, etc. was already available to be used in the section-editing links too?
[20:44:32] <S_O_S>	add permissions, remove users, etc...
[20:44:46] <^demon>	S_O_S: Changing permissions is done via "Special:UserRights"
[20:44:50] <^demon>	And you can't delete users.
[20:45:16] <Guest42563>	Are the MediaWiki skins supposed to work? (Other than Monobook)
[20:45:24] <S_O_S>	why cannot I delete the users?
[20:45:47] <Splarka>	!deleteuser | becauseIsaidso
[20:45:47] --mwbot--	becauseIsaidso: Deleting users is very messy and not recommended, because this breaks referential integrity in the database (they appear in many different tables like users, edit histories, recentchanges, preferences, etc). A safe solution is to block the users, and possibly rename them with <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Renameuser>.  You can also try <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:User_Merge_and_Delete>
[20:46:12] <Splarka>	AmericanEagle: http://simple.wikiquote.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js I don't see any navframe JS at all
[20:47:03] <Guest42563>	Anyone know how to add more navigation tabs?
[20:47:04] <Simetrical>	LittleBlueFrog, well, it's not quite that simple, but the request should be doable anyway if we cared enough.
[20:47:21] <AmericanEagle>	Splarka: I just added some code to that page, and .css, from EN:WP
[20:47:33] <Nikerabbit>	hi splarkle
[20:47:52] <S_O_S>	^demon solved thanks
[20:48:15] <LittleBlueFrog>	Simetrical: OK, so I'll put it up for discussion at the Technical Pump and will say that there's no irreductible impossibility a priori. Can I ask my second and last suggestion (for the same reason)?
[20:48:27] <Simetrical>	LittleBlueFrog, don't ask to ask, just ask.
[20:48:39] <Guest42563>	How do I add more navigation bars?
[20:48:43] <Simetrical>	You don't have to ask permission to ask questions in a channel specified for asking questions.
[20:48:46] <Simetrical>	!sidebar | Guest42563 
[20:48:46] --mwbot--	Guest42563: To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar>.
[20:49:11] <LittleBlueFrog>	Simetrical: Last question/suggestion: To add something such as an additional ~~~~~~ (6 tildes) that would output only the raw username or IP (just "MyUsername" or "1.2.3.4"), to be used in templates. That, or a magic word (to be used as subst:). Currently, there is at least one maintenance template where you have to type in your own username because a ~~~ signature or "Special:Mypage" can't do.
[20:49:39] <^demon>	No more ~'s please :(
[20:49:44] <Simetrical>	LittleBlueFrog, long-standing request.  Should be on Bugzilla.
[20:49:47] <Simetrical>	Wasn't that just done, in fact?
[20:49:50] <Simetrical>	{{REVISIONUSER}}?
[20:49:55] <Simetrical>	I don't know if it will stick, though.
[20:50:02] <Simetrical>	It might get reverted.
[20:50:06] <S_O_S>	how can I avoid the registration of the users in my mediawiki installation?
[20:50:15] <Simetrical>	!prevacc | S_O_S 
[20:50:15] --mwbot--	S_O_S: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access
[20:52:02] <Splarka>	yes, more tilde syntax was rejected outright
[20:52:10] <Splarka>	{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}
[20:52:20] <Splarka>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10336
[20:53:12] <Guest42563>	mwbot2, you said edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]]
[20:53:14] <Guest42563>	It doesn't work.
[20:53:58] <Reedy>	"doesnt work?"
[20:53:59] <Guest42563>	[[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] just brings me to creating a new page.
[20:54:01] <Guest42563>	I want to edit the sidebar.
[20:54:06] <Guest42563>	Not edit the sidebar page.
[20:54:16] <Reedy>	Try editing it
[20:54:27] <Reedy>	it changes the sidebar, if it doesnt exist, it uses the defaults
[20:54:50] <LittleBlueFrog>	Simetrical, Splarka: Wow, I see it in the 2009-03-09/Technology report it's brand new indeed, thanks.
[20:54:50] <Guest42563>	At MediaWiki:Sidebar, it just shows me the map of what's there.
[20:55:03] <Simetrical>	LittleBlueFrog, I don't think it's enabled yet, it might end up being reverted.
[20:55:03] <Guest42563>	navigation, mainpage|mainpage-description, it doesn't let me add more.
[20:55:16] <OverlordQ>	Guest42563: click create, then edit
[20:55:19] <Splarka>	indeed, someone added it prematurely to mw:Help:Magic_words
[20:55:54] <LittleBlueFrog>	Simetrical: Not enabled, I just tested in sandbox.
[20:56:06] <Guest42563>	Is there a way to add more skins?
[20:56:24] <Guest42563>	I mean, MediaWiki has those skins, but only the MonoBook one works.
[20:56:36] <Splarka>	Simetrical: it was suggested by brion and doesn't offend Tim anyway (like ~~~~~~ does)
[20:56:44] <Splarka>	LittleBlueFrog:  it was added in http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/48149
[20:56:59] <Splarka>	so a wiki's Special:Version must be a higher revision than that to use it (if it doesn't get reverted)
[20:58:08] <Simetrical>	Splarka, it might have implementation problems.
[20:58:11] <Simetrical>	I didn't look closel.
[20:58:12] <Simetrical>	y.
[20:58:37] <Splarka>	true true, but then it would just get fixed and recommitted
[20:58:41] <LittleBlueFrog>	Simetrical, Splarka: Yes not enabled : CURRENTVERSION: 1.15alpha (r47457) / REVISIONUSER: Template:REVISIONUSER
[20:58:42] <Splarka>	I mean it probably won't be rejected
[20:59:04] <LittleBlueFrog>	( Someone already added it to the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Env )
[20:59:34] <Splarka>	LittleBlueFrog: yes yes, as we said, but note it would take about 6 months for your ~~~~~~ suggestion to make it to a release
[20:59:41] <Splarka>	so this will be faster anyway, have some patience ^_^
[20:59:55] <Simetrical>	Wow, we're like 600 revisions behind.
[21:00:06] <Simetrical>	Splarka, since when do Wikipedians care about release?
[21:00:19] <Simetrical>	s/?$/s?/
[21:00:29] *Splarka 	tries to parse that
[21:00:40] <LittleBlueFrog>	Splarka : Since the Signpost tell us all about new toys in advance ? ;p http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2009-03-09/Technology_report
[21:01:11] <Splarka>	LittleBlueFrog: you'll note there it tells you the revision, which is in the future
[21:01:22] <Splarka>	signpost savvy people know that ^_^
[21:01:48] <LittleBlueFrog>	Splarka: Yes there is a small print disclaimer about it ;)
[21:03:18] <LittleBlueFrog>	Splarka : At the same time, it's hard to understand why it didn't came sooner. Not only there are template that require inputting your own username (and mine is quite long) but also, it would allow to trim those giant, flashy signatures from maintenance pages (including people NOT signing their actual username).
[21:03:49] <Splarka>	possibly negative association with the oft requested {{CURRENTUSER}}
[21:05:04] <Simetrical>	Yeah, I think the bug got closed at least once because of that.
[21:05:10] <LittleBlueFrog>	Splarka: I see in your bugzilla url that the six-tilde thingie was already asked years ago, prolly to avoid a magic word that may not be subst'd.
[21:05:28] <Simetrical>	There's no problem if {{REVISIONUSER}} isn't substed.
[21:05:39] <Simetrical>	You could use it for stuff like "This page was last edited by {{REVISIONUSER}}" if you felt like it.
[21:05:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change default locale for {{formatnum:}} parser function - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17659  +comment (10lejonel)
[21:05:46] <Splarka>	LittleBlueFrog: extending tilde syntax was rejected because it sucks ass
[21:05:57] <^demon>	Tilde syntax period sucks.
[21:06:12] <Splarka>	Tim will regret to his dying day allowing ~~~ and ~~~~~ in
[21:07:20] <LittleBlueFrog>	Splarka: Since someone won't signe twice in the same word, ~~~~KEYWORD~~~~ could be used? No confusion here.
[21:07:55] <Splarka>	it is because it is ugly
[21:07:57] <Splarka>	and confusing
[21:08:03] <LittleBlueFrog>	( At least for use in template, I mean. Like, ~~~~USER~~~~ )
[21:08:06] <^demon>	And ugly.
[21:08:10] <Splarka>	and ugly
[21:08:22] <LittleBlueFrog>	Ugly isn't a problem in a template code, nobody read it that often.
[21:08:23] <Splarka>	it creates a unary operator
[21:08:53] <Splarka>	so no more tilde syntax to core, ever
[21:09:17] <LittleBlueFrog>	Splarka: Aren't there auto-subst'd magic words?
[21:09:20] <Splarka>	pretty much anything you can do in it can now be done with other magic words, subst'd, except the user sig, which is ~~~
[21:09:38] <^demon>	I vote no more double underscore or tag functions either. Everything should be done in parserfunctions :D
[21:09:58] <Splarka>	LittleBlueFrog: there was talk of making {{CURRENTUSER}} a subt-only magic word
[21:10:08] <Splarka>	but {{REVISIONUSER}} substs identically, so no need for that now
[21:10:31] <LittleBlueFrog>	Splarka: Or, what is the magic keyword was verbatim "subst:FOO" so that you can call it only with {{subst:FOO}} ?
[21:10:43] <LittleBlueFrog>	( what IF )
[21:10:54] <Splarka>	ew
[21:11:33] <^demon>	subst: is a fun little magic phrase. I spent about 2 days trying to figure out exactly how it works.
[21:11:35] <Splarka>	IIRC something like {{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>#ifeq:{{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>NAMESPACE}}|{{NAMESPACE}}|subst'd|not subst'd}}
[21:12:08] *Splarka 	hands out sick bags
[21:12:28] <Splarka>	and that will have different output depending on {{foo}} vrs {{subst:foo}}
[21:13:11] <LittleBlueFrog>	Splarka: I did a typo in my question. I was wondering about the hack to define a magic word's name as being, verbatim, not "FOO" but named "subst:FOO" so that you can invoke this keyword only by triggerring a subst. Prolly to hack-y.
[21:13:37] <Splarka>	wat
[21:13:45] <Simetrical>	. . .
[21:14:16] <Splarka>	I believe the only on-save transform is done with subst:, tildes and pipe magic
[21:14:23] <Splarka>	and horribly malfunctioning strip markers
[21:14:33] <Simetrical>	LittleBlueFrog, there's no point, why bother?
[21:14:37] <Simetrical>	Splarka, thankfully only those, yeah.
[21:14:48] <Simetrical>	We should fix pipe magic so it's not PST.
[21:15:03] <Splarka>	yah
[21:15:13] <Splarka>	then it would work in cite?
[21:15:42] <Simetrical>	Sure.
[21:15:48] <LittleBlueFrog>	Simetrical: When I googled Wikipedia to see if there was a magic word for username, I found one page saying it was impossible because people may not subst it and it create problems with caching etc. So I was thinking of something to allow a magic word only if it is substed.
[21:15:53] <Simetrical>	Although tildes and subst still wouldn't, I guess.
[21:16:03] <Splarka>	LittleBlueFrog: {{CURRENTUSER}}  != {{REVISIONUSER}}
[21:16:08] <Simetrical>	LittleBlueFrog, you're confusing "name of the one who wrote the current revision" and "name of the user viewing the page".
[21:16:15] <Simetrical>	The second one is a problem.  The first is not.
[21:16:16] <Splarka>	currentuser would show the last viewer, revisionuser would show the last editor
[21:16:29] <Splarka>	both would subst the same
[21:16:41] <LittleBlueFrog>	Splarka, Simetrical: Yes I see that now. So no need to force subst.
[21:16:59] <Splarka>	currentuser is wanted by people for welcome-type templates, or linking
[21:17:25] <LittleBlueFrog>	Splarka: But currentuser would show the last viewer of the cached version, not necessarily my own username.
[21:17:39] <histolo2>	I'm a sysop at arab wikisource and i'm having trouble using Dynamic Navigation Bars
[21:17:42] <Actown>	So i'm intrested about the idea of upgrading the installer for extensions, what's the general plan on that?
[21:17:46] <Splarka>	LittleBlueFrog: and that is why it is always rejected
[21:17:57] <Splarka>	it breaks cache, or is broken by cache
[21:18:10] <Splarka>	same for all user-specific magic words, like {{int:}} can do
[21:18:16] <Simetrical>	Actown, apparently Wikiation is doing something related to that, I think.
[21:18:35] <Splarka>	time based magic words are also broken by cache until the next purge, but that is pretty harmless, you don't get funky cross-user misdata
[21:18:39] <Actown>	Ah, well I saw it on the ideas for SoC09
[21:19:31] <LittleBlueFrog>	Splarka: On a tangent, you talked about cites and it reminds me something: would it be a problem to duplicate all the code of <ref>...</ref> <references/> to implement a parallel system of <note>...</note> <notes> that would use letters instead of numbers?
[21:20:00] <Simetrical>	I I believe that was done and reverted.
[21:20:04] <Splarka>	ow my brain
[21:20:08] <LittleBlueFrog>	( I am aware of <ref group="name"> but it's not the same and it's longer than letters.)
[21:21:03] <LittleBlueFrog>	Currently it can be done with the hack <ref group="note"> but it makes really big[note 1] notes[note 2][note 3]...
[21:21:36] <LittleBlueFrog>	Simetrical: What was done and reverted? <note> or something else someone asked?
[21:25:19] <Splarka>	wait, simple.wikiquote ...?
[21:25:29] <Splarka>	how does that work? do they rephrase quotes into simpler english?
[21:26:06] <LittleBlueFrog>	Splarka : LOL, that must be heavy: there is no official translated source to quote so they'll make it up themselves?
[21:26:37] <Actown>	LittleBlueFrog, i was going to ask the same thing if he was talking to me or you lol
[21:26:50] <Splarka>	was talking to AmericanEagle except they seem to have left
[21:27:50] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Category links should appear under preview HTML when previewing an edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10244  +comment (10ipatrol6010)
[21:28:21] <LittleBlueFrog>	Actually they only provide gloss after the real quotes, like those "Expanded Bible".
[21:28:23] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Category links should appear under preview HTML when previewing an edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10244  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[21:28:30] <^demon>	The hell....
[21:29:40] <Actown>	So Simetrical, other then another wiki was going to work on the installer upgrade for automatic extension install, what are your thoughts about it?
[21:30:48] <Simetrical>	Actown, I don't have any.
[21:30:53] <Simetrical>	Wikiation is not another wiki.
[21:31:00] <Actown>	Oh?
[21:31:05] <Simetrical>	They're apparently some institution that's paying someone to write a spiffy MediaWiki installer.
[21:31:09] <Simetrical>	I'm not clear on the details.
[21:31:11] <Actown>	ah
[21:31:21] <Simetrical>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/wikiation/
[21:31:36] <LittleBlueFrog>	Simetrical, Splarka : Anyway, thanks for the answers. (For my question #2 I'll wait for {{REVISIONUSER}} to be enabled, and for my question #1 I'll suggest it at the Pump...)
[21:31:43] <^demon>	!magicwords
[21:31:43] --mwbot--	For more information about creating magic words and their inner workings, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Magic_words>. For a list of magic words, please see <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words>.
[21:32:06] <Actown>	Hmm
[21:32:08] <Splarka>	meta? geez
[21:32:48] <Splarka>	!magicwords | Splarka
[21:32:48] --mwbot--	Splarka: For more information about creating magic words and their inner workings, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Magic_words>. For a list of magic words, please see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words>.
[21:33:33] *Splarka 	can reference the mw version now, since he went through CoreParserFunctions and MagicWord and added every single one that was missing
[21:34:20] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r48366 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (34 files): Localisation updates for core messages from translatewiki.net (2009-03-12 21:13 UTC)
[21:40:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Uniwiki Layouts: Edge case with assigning Category - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17956  (10minuteelectron)
[21:49:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Uniwiki Layouts: Edge case with assigning Category - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17956  (10mikel_maron)
[21:52:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Uniwiki Layouts: Edge case with assigning Category - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17956  (10minuteelectron)
[21:57:21] <^demon>	I'm wondering if it's possible to do a matchStartAndRemove()-type thing from within a parser function.
[21:57:39] <^demon>	I don't think so :p
[21:58:32] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r48367 10/trunk/extensions/ (67 files in 61 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from translatewiki.net (2009-03-12 21:40 UTC)
[22:04:03] <DeSian>	!Monobook.css
[22:04:03] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "monobook.css". You might try: !css !wptemplates 
[22:04:12] <DeSian>	!css
[22:04:12] --mwbot--	To change styles for your wiki, go to one of the MediaWiki:xxx.css wiki page (NOT a file) and put your custom styles there (sysop/admin rights required). MediaWiki:Common.css is for all skins and should be used for content styles. MediaWiki:Monobook.css is for the MonoBook skin (default), etc. For more information, see !skins and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skin_configuration>
[22:09:35] <Genius101>	How can I require users to have an email be confirmed before they can edit?
[22:10:02] <Splarka>	$wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit']             = false;
[22:10:10] <Splarka>	$wgGroupPermissions['user']['edit']             = false;
[22:10:43] *^demon 	whacks Splarka
[22:10:45] <ialex>	Genius101: $wgEmailConfirmToEdit = true;
[22:10:51] <Genius101>	thank you!
[22:10:56] <ialex>	Splarka: no need for that :)
[22:11:18] <Splarka>	more than one way to do things ^_^
[22:11:22] <Genius101>	and then how do i confirm the email address?
[22:11:44] <ialex>	Genius101: users have to confirm them
[22:11:56] <Genius101>	ah, all right: I knew that
[22:12:07] <Genius101>	*bongs head*
[22:12:12] <Splarka>	unless you wanna approve them manually
[22:12:18] <Genius101>	yeah if thats possible
[22:12:33] <Splarka>	d$wgGroupPermissions['*']['createaccount']    = false;
[22:12:39] <Splarka>	$wgGroupPermissions['user']['createaccount']    = false;
[22:13:04] <Genius101>	all right, thanks!
[22:13:05] <Splarka>	then you go to Special:UserLogin/signup and create the account by email ^_^
[22:13:10] *Splarka 	waits for whack
[22:13:36] <Genius101>	an offtopic question: how do you do the "waits for whack" thing?
[22:13:39] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmAccount
[22:13:58] <Splarka>	/me waits for whack
[22:14:12] *Genius101 	thanks Splarka
[22:15:19] <Splarka>	seems like that is something more worthy to merge into core than something like collapsible tables
[22:15:50] <Splarka>	(an account request/approval/creation queue sytem with fun options)
[22:24:52] <Viper550>	can't we just make an alternate way to implement per-page edit notices?
[22:26:44] <hrishikesh>	hi, I am having trouble viewing images that I upload to the wiki.  After uploading, the location of the file is http://localhost/wiki/index.php/Images/Test.jpg but I can't see the image inline. But the image is located at http://localhost/wiki/images/Test.jpg and I can see it if I view it in a separate browser window. Could someone tell me what is happening?
[22:27:52] <OverlordQ>	how are you 'uploading' images? through the upload form?
[22:28:07] <hrishikesh>	hi OverlordQ, yes
[22:28:20] <OverlordQ>	the files are located at [[File:Image.jpg]]
[22:28:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Protectedpages forgot NULL pr_expiry - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11487  (10jidanni)
[22:29:03] <hrishikesh>	It is at [[Image:Image.jpg]]
[22:29:36] <OverlordQ>	File/Image depending on what version, but yea
[22:30:19] <hrishikesh>	But even on that page, I can't see the image. I can only see it if I use the url wiki/images/Image.jpg which is where the file is located
[22:30:45] <OverlordQ>	so thumbnails aren't working?
[22:31:03] <hrishikesh>	no. It just gives the alt text whenever available
[22:31:36] <hrishikesh>	I added the jpg, png under wgFileExtensions too, just in case.
[22:31:52] <hrishikesh>	anyway upload seems to be working
[22:32:00] <hrishikesh>	just the display is the issue
[22:33:00] <OverlordQ>	!thumb
[22:33:00] --mwbot--	For information on configuring thumbnailing on MediaWiki, please refer to <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Image_Administration#Image_thumbnailing>.
[22:33:13] <OverlordQ>	might tread that if you haven't, and/or if you're running under safe_mode things probably wont work
[22:35:34] <hrishikesh>	safe_mode is turned off
[22:35:45] <hrishikesh>	I'll check the other lead
[22:36:48] <CIA-60>	03dale * r48368 10/branches/MetavidWiki-exp/skins/mvpcf/Mvpcf.js: minor null file update
[22:40:16] <CIA-60>	03dale * r48369 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (9 files in 5 dirs): some quick hacks for stream page usability
[22:52:52] <cyth>	hey is there a working mediawiki version for 5.3 yet?
[22:53:08] <cyth>	seems you guys got a class that conflicts with a new reserved key word
[22:55:55] <^demon>	cyth: Which class?
[22:57:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) API boilerplate that doesn't knock stars around - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17950  (10roan.kattouw)
[22:58:48] <cyth>	^demon, Namespace
[22:59:09] <^demon>	cyth: We deprecated Namespace in favor of MWNamespace.
[23:02:19] *Splarka 	sets a roan trap
[23:03:27] <cyth>	^demon, okay so the latest released version that has this change?
[23:04:49] <^demon>	We still keep a Namespace:: class around for b/c, but nothing in core code (or afaict, svn-maintained extensions) calls the old 5.3-breaking name.
[23:05:22] <Splarka>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=48032
[23:05:38] <Splarka>	was it backported to 1.14?
[23:05:48] <^demon>	Ah, that probably wasn't.
[23:06:29] <Splarka>	maybe it should be, for 1.14.1
[23:07:20] <Splarka>	I don't see it in /branches/REL1_14 or /tags/REL1_14_0/
[23:07:42] <Splarka>	cyth: latest release doesn't have that change (1.14)
[23:08:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Configure groups in nowiki for access to Special:Unwatchedpages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14079  +comment (10rhalsell)
[23:08:06] <CrazyTB>	I would like to make a copy of my current wiki, but with new blank pages
[23:08:19] <CrazyTB>	but I would like to keep the users.
[23:08:21] <Splarka>	oop
[23:08:28] <Splarka>	however, that change was to a change made in 1.15 anyway
[23:08:29] <Splarka>	dur
[23:08:45] <CrazyTB>	May I just import the Users database and "hope" that everything will work? (supposing a new, blank wiki installation)
[23:08:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Upload and Transwiki settings for Japanese Wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16180  (10rhalsell)
[23:09:06] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Make centralnotice collapse preference global/cross-site - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16821  (10tfinc)
[23:09:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable subpages in template namespace on MediaWiki.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16426  (10rhalsell)
[23:09:23] <Splarka>	^demon: disregard ^_^
[23:09:25] <Splarka>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=32309
[23:09:49] <Splarka>	cyth: all releases since 11 months ago should be okay, but certain versions of trunk might have conflicts
[23:10:30] <Dewin>	Does anybody know of an extension that would allow me to selectively show/hide part of an article based on a request parameter?
[23:11:02] <Splarka>	heh
[23:11:05] <Splarka>	edit it out and use &oldid
[23:11:30] <Dewin>	It's a bit more complicated then that.
[23:11:54] <Splarka>	you probably want a parser function that can parse URL parameters
[23:11:56] <Dewin>	I'm using a mediawiki as (read-only) end user documentation.  Different users accessing it may have different roles in their site, and I want it to hide the content not relevant to their role by default.
[23:11:59] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:UrlGetParameters
[23:12:19] <Dewin>	Thanks.
[23:13:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make centralnotice collapse preference global/cross-site - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16821  (10tfinc)
[23:13:55] <Dewin>	hmm, wonder how I can keep that state in between page loads.  
[23:14:14] <cyth>	Splarka, so what tag should I download if any (if the 1.14.0 doesn't have the change)
[23:14:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) API boilerplate that doesn't knock stars around - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17950  (10jidanni)
[23:15:10] <Splarka>	sorry cyth: bit of confusion above on my part... there was a potential problme added in 1.15 and removed very recently, but that should not affect anything previous to it
[23:15:13] <^demon>	For the love of god....
[23:15:23] <Splarka>	the conflict itself was fixed 11 months ago
[23:16:07] *Splarka 	checks the branches
[23:16:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) API boilerplate that doesn't knock stars around - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17950  (10innocentkiller)
[23:16:25] <Splarka>	1.12 branched in 31213, 1.13 branched in 37957
[23:16:38] <Splarka>	so 1.13.anything and 1.14.anything should work fine in 5.3
[23:16:50] <cyth>	okay
[23:17:01] <cyth>	Splarka, so release 1.14.0 is fine?
[23:17:06] <Splarka>	should be
[23:17:13] <cyth>	ok i'll try it thanks
[23:17:14] <Splarka>	you can grep the code to make sure ^_^
[23:17:26] <Splarka>	checking 1.12
[23:17:35] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Enable FlaggedRevs custom configuration on Portuguese Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16365  +comment (10rhalsell)
[23:17:53] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Make centralnotice collapse preference global/cross-site - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16821  +comment (10tfinc)
[23:18:03] <Splarka>	yah, the change wasn't backported to 1.12
[23:18:35] *^demon 	puts a trail of cookies from brion's desk to bug 13750
[23:19:09] *Splarka 	sets up a box, with a stick on a string, some M&Ms and tea, and bug 17895
[23:20:12] <cyth>	Splarka, looks like it's fine so far let me install it and see
[23:22:05] <Splarka>	hmm
[23:23:31] <Splarka>	only thing I see is a note in the relesae notes for 1.13
[23:23:41] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.13
[23:26:46] <Mufka>	Is there a way to export the list of Special:UnwatchedPages?
[23:29:04] <wikibugs>	03(CLOSED) API boilerplate that doesn't knock stars around - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17950  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[23:29:04] <^demon>	Mufka: Copy & paste into Special:Export.
[23:29:32] <Mufka>	^demon: So that works for the first 1000.  
[23:29:52] <Mufka>	I thought there'd be some way to export the list of all.
[23:30:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make centralnotice collapse preference global/cross-site - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16821  (10mikelifeguard)
[23:31:25] <^demon>	Mufka: Not really, no.
[23:31:49] <Mufka>	ok
[23:33:05] <Splarka>	^demon: one thing I would like is for http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?format=jsonfm not to suck so much
[23:33:40] <Splarka>	error codes being debugged manually with &format=jsonfm put the help in as one line
[23:34:50] <^demon>	omg your not a bot, stop reading the api!!
[23:35:27] <Splarka>	^demon: I am not a bot, and jsonfm is not for bots
[23:35:45] <Splarka>	all the other fm output fine (except rawfm but who uses that)
[23:36:26] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?format=phpfm http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?format=xmlfm http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?format=wddxfm http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?format=yamlfm http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?format=txtfm http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?format=dbgfm
[23:37:25] <Splarka>	the help is only output to fm, so one might expect it to be there to actually read
[23:37:28] <Splarka>	the bots don't care about it
[23:37:56] <Splarka>	(output on error, that is)
[23:38:29] <Splarka>	compare: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=flibble&format=json to http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=flibble&format=jsonfm
[23:38:44] <Splarka>	first case: bot cares about parsability, parses minimal error mesage, sees prob
[23:38:54] <Splarka>	second case: human parsable error is visible, the help there is useless
[23:41:48] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Update Logo for pntwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17960 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (rhalsell)
[23:45:45] <Jinx>	I'm experiencing a really weird problem with my wiki. After setting up the LocalSettings.php, it goes fine for about 24 hours (perhaps exactly), then gets monstrously slow suddenly.
[23:46:09] <Jinx>	To fix it, I recreate (or replace the original) LocalSettings.php ... 
[23:46:27] <Jinx>	run a page... then update it to my desired settings
[23:47:01] <Jinx>	it works speedily again (with proper settings)... then in about 24 hours, it goes monstrously slow once more (i mean like 30 sec page loads... whereas normal is <3 second)
[23:47:47] <Jinx>	i've slowly ironed out the settings file so that all of our settings are independent from the settings generated by the installation process
[23:48:08] <Jinx>	would anyone be willing to look them over and tell me if there is something that could possibly be causing this slow down?
[23:49:59] <Splarka>	about how much trafic do you get?
[23:50:11] <Jinx>	little
[23:50:17] <Jinx>	<100MB/day
[23:50:26] <Jinx>	and that was the whole site...
[23:50:35] <Splarka>	hmm, might still be enough... some sites have this problem after upgrading, and can fix it with : http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgMiserMode
[23:50:35] <Jinx>	around 20% was the wiki i believe
[23:51:24] <Jinx>	but why would that make it slow *suddenly* ?
[23:51:33] <Splarka>	growth
[23:51:37] <Jinx>	it's not gradual at all... 
[23:51:44] <Jinx>	<6 hours ago i tried and it was quite speedy
[23:51:47] <Jinx>	<3sec
[23:51:48] <Splarka>	hmm
[23:52:02] <Splarka>	special pages like Special:WantedPages are regenerated on every edit, but for larger sites this isn't possible
[23:52:16] <Splarka>	en.wp would take a month to rebuild WantedPages, for example
[23:52:34] <Jinx>	it's not traffic... i don't have the stats on our current traffic... but i am quite certain it isn't traffic
[23:52:37] <Splarka>	(this is just a theory, it could be a zillion other things)
[23:52:48] <Jinx>	when i had our stats... we received pretty even distribution through the day
[23:53:26] <Jinx>	so, why it would work at 2:00 PM just fine, but horrible at 7:30 PM is confusing me
[23:53:47] <Jinx>	it doesn't fix itself either
[23:53:58] <Jinx>	if it were traffic, it should conceivably get faster at some point, no?
[23:54:36] <Splarka>	Wikia had this same problem, after upgrading to 1.7, and $wgMiserMode fixed it, as 1.7 had new bloaty features that caused each edit's refreshes to take longer than the average time between edits
[23:54:58] <Splarka>	so it would work fine for a few hours and then bog down horribly
[23:55:43] <Splarka>	[edit][stuff the edit does]    [edit][stuff the edit does]  [edit][stuff the edit does] [edit][stuff the edit does][edit][stuff the edit does][edit][stuff the edit does[edit][stuff the edit does[edit][stuff the edit does[edit][stuff the edit does[edit][stuff the edit does]]]]]
[23:56:01] <Jinx>	heh, i get the general idea
[23:56:04] <Jinx>	but there are no edits right now
[23:56:06] <Jinx>	it's a read only wiki
[23:56:21] <Splarka>	oh, then that problably isn't the problem ^_^
[23:56:26] <Jinx>	:)
[23:56:36] <Splarka>	have page it counters?
[23:56:37] <Jinx>	can i /msg or /notice you the pastebin link?
[23:56:39] <Splarka>	^hit
[23:56:43] <Jinx>	no i don't :(
[23:56:53] <Jinx>	i was thinking about installing an extension for that... but i wasn't sure which one
[23:58:20] <Jinx>	everything there is a mish-mosh of what i diluted out of the old config file (so that everything above it lines up *exactly* [checked with UCompare] as the installation-generated settings file)
[23:59:39] <Splarka>	dunno then, you might wanna do some profiling
[23:59:53] <Jinx>	trial & error?