[00:11:12] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r48473 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/Views/examine.js: Use POST instead of GET for the evaluate with vars AJAX widget -- results in too-long URIs and therefore 400s
[00:18:21] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special:FileDuplicateSearch user interaction is utterly baffling - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18011 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (brion)
[00:20:21] <^demon>	brion-codereview: Fwiw, that's why I reverted my initial implementation of it...it got recommitted nearly identical to the crap I did.
[00:44:47] <_KaszpiR__>	hi
[00:45:24] <werdna>	hi
[00:45:34] <_KaszpiR__>	i got some issue with mediawiki, just upgraded from 1.11 to 1.14
[00:46:07] <_KaszpiR__>	but seems like still i cannot use url's wuth '=' sign in it, because the templates are not parsed
[00:46:36] <Splarka>	1=
[00:47:12] <Splarka>	also, the = when used as a delimiter cannot be "covered" (or generated by a subtemplate) 
[00:48:00] <Splarka>	_KaszpiR__: can you give a minimal test-case/example?
[00:48:04] <_KaszpiR__>	yes
[00:48:08] <_KaszpiR__>	just prepared
[00:48:13] <_KaszpiR__>	my template is liek this:
[00:48:14] <_KaszpiR__>	{{{1}}}
[00:48:14] <_KaszpiR__>	{{{2}}}
[00:48:27] <_KaszpiR__>	first tag is a <h1>
[00:48:27] <Splarka>	example of the template call
[00:48:37] <_KaszpiR__>	jsut a sec
[00:48:46] <_KaszpiR__>	and the second parameter is , elt say in div
[00:48:50] <_KaszpiR__>	then i write
[00:48:56] <_KaszpiR__>	{{news|title|
[00:49:13] <_KaszpiR__>	content , here goes url and other stuff that goes to 2
[00:49:14] <_KaszpiR__>	}}
[00:49:40] <Skizzerz>	try {{news|title|2=content, url, etc.}}
[00:49:44] <Splarka>	right, the = sign is the delimiter between the parameter name and parameter value
[00:50:00] <_KaszpiR__>	will see
[00:50:02] <Splarka>	so if there is an = uncovered anywhere in the value, you have to define it earlier
[00:50:20] <Splarka>	{{foo|1=baz=baf}} -> {{{1}}} -> "baz=baf"
[00:50:26] <Splarka>	{{foo|baz=baf}} -> {{{baz}}} -> "baz=baf"
[00:50:32] <Splarka>	er -> "baf"
[00:50:43] <Splarka>	it can be covered though:
[00:50:47] <_KaszpiR__>	you were right
[00:50:48] <_KaszpiR__>	thanks
[00:50:56] <Splarka>	{{foo|[[baz=baf]]}} -> {{{1}}} -> "[[baz=baf]]"
[00:50:56] <_KaszpiR__>	it works with 2=content.....
[00:51:04] *Splarka 	nods
[00:51:24] <_KaszpiR__>	hmmm
[00:51:31] <_KaszpiR__>	i don't know its so flexible
[00:51:58] <Splarka>	best thing to do is name the parameters
[00:52:21] <Splarka>	{{news|title=title|text=foobar}}
[00:52:25] <Splarka>	then it is never a problem
[00:52:32] <Splarka>	only very simple templates should have unnamed parameters
[00:52:46] <Splarka>	(or very repetitive ones)
[00:52:49] <_KaszpiR__>	yea, now I can see that clearly, it really helps to create custom content easier with templates
[00:52:51] <_KaszpiR__>	hm
[00:53:02] <_KaszpiR__>	will have to digg through template manuals, then ;)
[00:53:22] <Splarka>	you could also make it optional
[00:53:31] <Splarka>	{{{2|{{{text|}}}}}}
[00:53:42] <Splarka>	then they could use {{foo|bar|baz}} or {{foo|bar|text=baz with url}}
[00:54:16] *Splarka 	adds formatdate to mw:Help:Magic_words
[00:56:04] <_KaszpiR__>	hmm i guess i shoudl change templates,
[00:56:23] <_KaszpiR__>	but then i would have to change a lot of places i used it with the old formatting
[00:56:29] <_KaszpiR__>	guess not a best idea
[01:25:16] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Cortado player broken in Firefox 3.0.7, 3.1 beta 3 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17837  +comment (10tstarling)
[01:53:05] <derwin>	hrm.. trying to upgrade 1.3.6betamumble to 1.14.0 release, getting "Failed opening required '/var/www/html/wiki/stylesheets/.php'" .. google not helpful.. any ideas?
[01:56:05] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r48474 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/LqtBaseView.php: Bug 15278 -- show thread timestamps in user's local timezone
[01:56:34] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Show thread timestamps in user's local timezone - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15278  summary; +comment (10Andrew)
[01:59:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Use more core functions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17115  +comment (10Andrew)
[02:04:29] *Ladonna 	grumbles about bug summaries.
[02:05:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Use more core functions in LiquidThreads extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17115  summary (10public)
[02:06:03] <Splarka>	Ladonna: grumble about +comment not showing components
[02:06:29] <Ladonna>	Have you filed a bug? 
[02:07:26] <Splarka>	nope, because I'm not you
[02:07:42] <Splarka>	but putting the component in the summary for every bug is silly
[02:09:56] <Ladonna>	Makes searching easier.
[02:10:07] <Ladonna>	And it makes bug summaries far more understandable.
[02:11:06] <Splarka>	you can search for components in advanced (for those that have them)
[02:11:18] <Splarka>	hmm, then you have a lot of work to do
[02:11:35] <Splarka>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8090  here is one needing your special attention
[02:12:14] <Ladonna>	I went through all open bugs at some point and fixed the "Problem"-type summaries.
[02:13:12] <Splarka>	horrible summary when taken out of context
[02:13:36] <Splarka>	but when you see: Project: MediaWiki extensions, Component: Wikidata, understanding comes
[02:13:55] <Splarka>	another: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13597
[02:14:06] <Splarka>	there are hundreds like this
[02:15:55] <Splarka>	like most of the Se/mantic ones
[02:16:37] <Ladonna>	Yes, those are rather annoying.
[02:17:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Use more core functions in LiquidThreads extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17115  (10davemccabe)
[02:17:38] <Splarka>	18001 17979 17952 17946 17939 17922 17916
[02:18:29] <Ladonna>	We've hit 18000?
[02:18:39] <^demon>	Yeah, sometime in the last day or so.
[02:18:48] <^demon>	And svn is nearing 50000.
[02:18:55] <Ladonna>	See that wikibugs report?
[02:19:19] <Ladonna>	Very clear to understand.
[02:19:23] <Splarka>	17910 17908 17848 17841 17811 17758 17757 17682
[02:19:46] <Splarka>	Ladonna: the problem is not in bugzilla, but in wikibugs, IMHP
[02:20:09] <werdna>	in my humble 'pinion?
[02:20:20] <Ladonna>	O and P are close together?
[02:20:20] <Splarka>	proposal
[02:20:27] <Ladonna>	Ah.
[02:20:29] <Splarka>	<Splarka> Ladonna: grumble about +comment not showing components
[02:20:40] <Ladonna>	I heard you the first time.
[02:20:44] <Ladonna>	Developers are lazy.
[02:20:47] <Splarka>	and look, werdna is here to "fix" it, heh, if it is possible
[02:20:51] *werdna 	hides
[02:20:59] <Splarka>	werdna: do the wikibugs emails have the product and component in them?
[02:21:00] <Ladonna>	And I still think descriptive bug summaries are a Good Thing, regardless of wikibugs' behavior.
[02:21:12] <Splarka>	Ladonna: fine, see all the numbers I'm pasting, and get fixin
[02:21:22] <Ladonna>	I may.
[02:21:32] <Ladonna>	Though I'd rather Semantic MediaWiki be split properly.
[02:21:44] <Splarka>	like 17682 "Documentation update"
[02:22:02] <craz`>	hey guys
[02:22:11] <craz`>	is advertising on mediawiki allowed
[02:22:25] <craz`>	putting ads on my own mediawiki 
[02:22:33] <werdna>	sure
[02:22:39] <werdna>	you can do whatever you like
[02:22:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Semantic MediaWiki documentation needs to be updated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17682  summary (10public)
[02:22:55] <Ladonna>	That bug is crap.
[02:23:03] <Ladonna>	I should dupe it to bug 1.
[02:23:29] <Splarka>	17576 17553 17519 17504 17475 17435 17430 17396  "Color map" hah
[02:24:11] <Splarka>	why is "Wiktionary tools" a product anyway
[02:24:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Write a color map extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17396  summary (10public)
[02:24:24] <CIA-60>	03demon * r48475 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/INSTALL: (bug 17682) Update docs on latest install version.
[02:24:27] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Semantic MediaWiki documentation needs to be updated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17682  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[02:24:31] <^demon>	Splarka: I dunno.
[02:24:36] <^demon>	I've want that gone for awhile.
[02:24:51] <Ladonna>	Deleting components with items in them breaks things.
[02:24:54] <SudoKing>	is there an API interface on 1.6.7?
[02:25:02] <Ladonna>	Products too, I imagine.
[02:25:20] <Ladonna>	SudoKing: Probably. But using a version that old is going to be a massive headache.
[02:25:24] <Splarka>	I am skipping bugs that have clues as to the component btw, just looking for really dumb ones
[02:25:39] <SudoKing>	well I found an abandoned wiki with terrible spam and I wanted to help clean it up, massive amounts of pages
[02:25:45] <Ladonna>	17475 Index (for search) sighted revisions only on de-wp
[02:25:48] <SudoKing>	its old, probably last person to edit is 2007ish
[02:25:48] <Ladonna>	That seems fine.
[02:26:08] <Splarka>	"All attached accounts per API"  <-- you can get the clue that that is related to Central Auth
[02:26:25] <Splarka>	'Please think over the use of the new word "books" instead of "collections"', books extension obviously
[02:26:29] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Semantic Forms should have right for restricted fields - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17435  summary (10public)
[02:26:44] <Splarka>	"Wrap the source (parts) in <code>" <-- what
[02:28:25] <Splarka>	17362 17234 17147 17114 17108 
[02:28:53] <Splarka>	16831 "Memory Limit Failure"
[02:30:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Interwiki extension should have sortable table columns - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17430  summary (10public)
[02:31:39] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Inputbox extension should have single namespace search option - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17504  summary (10public)
[02:31:52] <CIA-60>	03demon * r48476 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_Settings.php: (bug 17435) Add 'editrestrictedfields' to $wgAvailableRights
[02:31:54] <^demon>	Splarka: Slow down. I can't even read all of them yet.
[02:32:03] <Splarka>	16340 was fixed in a few extensions, wasn't it?
[02:32:10] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Semantic Forms should have right for restricted fields - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17435  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[02:32:17] <Splarka>	haha, I'm on dialup, buck up chum
[02:32:42] <^demon>	Splarka: Easier to type numbers than fix them and commit :p
[02:32:48] <Splarka>	well, yah
[02:33:23] <Splarka>	"Regex matching in edit summaries should be more aggressive"  .. I guess one can tell that involves the title blacklist or other spam regex extension, 
[02:33:52] <^demon>	Splarka: 16430 was implemented in extentions, I believe. Dunno how good.
[02:34:51] *Splarka 	looks for said extensions
[02:35:38] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Parser_function_extensions
[02:35:59] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ForeachFunction  http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LoopFunctions  http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Loops 
[02:37:50] <^demon>	None of which are in svn.
[02:38:03] <Splarka>	meh
[02:38:06] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Provide a #foreach function - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16340  +comment (10herd)
[02:38:15] <Splarka>	still won't be put into ParserFunctions, I'll betcha 
[02:38:33] <TimStarling>	use lua
[02:38:35] <OverlordQ>	wikicode is becoming selfaware
[02:38:51] <TimStarling>	I'm thinking about doing a firefox bug report for this cortado problem
[02:39:15] <porter1>	Is there any way to clean up all the microsoft word-specific characters jhroughout my wiki? They look like garbage in Firefox.
[02:39:39] <TimStarling>	but it looks like the chances of such a bug report being looked at are very slim
[02:40:16] <TimStarling>	there are hundreds of bugs reporting crashes or other serious problems with java applets, hardly any of them are triaged
[02:40:44] <TimStarling>	it looks like a black hole
[02:40:48] <Splarka>	Tim: is it easier to ignore a perpetually reopened site request like "add StringFunctions" than to keep closing bugs "add substring functions to ParserFunctions extension"?
[02:41:21] <TimStarling>	ignoring things is indeed very easy
[02:41:43] <Splarka>	Ladonna/^demon: 16780 16591 16571 16540 16371 16213 16196 16172
[02:41:51] <TimStarling>	like ignoring java applet bugs in mozilla, for instance
[02:41:55] <TimStarling>	that's also very easy
[02:42:08] <Splarka>	hah, Karma
[02:43:06] <porter1>	Tim, is it only occuring with openJDK, or with Sun java as well?
[02:43:47] <TimStarling>	it's not a java bug
[02:43:52] <TimStarling>	it's a mozilla bug
[02:44:00] <porter1>	Hmm
[02:44:08] <TimStarling>	but I figure that because my bug report will have the word "java" in it, it will be ignored
[02:44:20] <^demon>	!b 16371
[02:44:20] --mwbot--	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16371
[02:44:28] <Splarka>	they're open source no, can you write the patch it? 
[02:44:31] <^demon>	Splarka: The hell ^^^
[02:45:00] <TimStarling>	yeah, fun way to spend a day, learn to navigate yet another humungous code base and subscribe to another dev mailing list
[02:45:18] <Splarka>	demon: why did I flag it as confusing, or why does someone need that feature? heh
[02:45:19] <TimStarling>	I have a workaround now that kind of works
[02:45:32] <TimStarling>	it just spams the error log with nonsense fatals
[02:46:30] <Splarka>	maybe you can trace the breaking change from whenever it worked to .0.7? or is that just as much work?
[02:47:18] <^demon>	Splarka: I don't like it. Parsing of additional articles for refs?
[02:47:37] <Splarka>	WONTFIX it then, I'm just looking for stupid summaries ^_^
[02:47:55] <Splarka>	it started as [[WP:POINT]] but is now a witch hunt
[02:48:45] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Write a color map extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17396  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[02:50:15] <Ladonna>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17757 seems sufficiently clear-ish.
[02:51:29] <Splarka>	not for the component it is listed under
[02:51:36] <Splarka>	probably should be general/unknown
[02:52:20] <Ladonna>	Maybe.
[02:53:18] <Splarka>	15936 15911 15826 15800 15587 15559 15553 15548 15454 15431 
[02:53:33] <Splarka>	15431 is very confusing now that images take link=
[02:55:48] <^demon>	15587 makes no sense to me. I don't understand.
[02:56:58] <charitwo>	bug 15587
[02:57:37] <charitwo>	maybe he means make redirects stand out? you can do that with CSS
[02:57:38] <Splarka>	oh
[02:57:45] <Splarka>	yah, he wants that
[02:57:53] <Splarka>	like mwsuggest-redirects in the dropdown
[02:57:55] <flyingparchment>	i don't get how someone would call redirects 'suggested titles'
[02:57:58] <Splarka>	like allpages-redirect
[02:58:04] <flyingparchment>	oh, search
[02:58:57] <^demon>	flyingparchment: yeah that's where he lost me.
[02:59:53] <Splarka>	it is annoying that the search suggest suggests redirects
[03:00:00] <Splarka>	it would make more sense to put them at the end of the list maybe
[03:00:04] <porter1>	Does anyone know how to get rid of MS word smartquotes throughout a wiki? I'm trying to use pywikipedia to replace all occurrences, but I can't seem to get it right
[03:00:19] <Splarka>	ew "smart" quotes
[03:00:52] <Splarka>	heh, chatzilla converts alert('') to alert(UNICODESMARTQUOTE) when copypasted, annoying to give someone javascript over IRC
[03:01:27] <flyingparchment>	i don't know why people still call them "word" smartquotes
[03:01:37] <flyingparchment>	they're very standard now, the characters exist in unicode
[03:02:00] <^demon>	So can anyone tell me what 15587 means now, in a simple and clear explanation?
[03:02:05] <porter1>	Yes, but mediawiki doesn't like them
[03:02:21] <flyingparchment>	why not?
[03:02:44] <flyingparchment>	^demon: he wants redirects in the search autocomplete drop down to show in italics
[03:02:48] <porter1>	Good question. Users use them, but mediawiki spits out garbage instead.
[03:03:03] <Splarka>	15416 15362 15329 15316 15277 15251 15184 15057 14940 14939 14915
[03:03:03] <flyingparchment>	^demon: the clue is in the component
[03:03:14] <porter1>	I end up with ’
[03:03:53] <^demon>	flyingparchment: do they have a class on them already?
[03:04:00] <flyingparchment>	i have no idea
[03:04:14] <werdna>	TimStarling: When are we planning to apply the log_type/log_name extension to 32 chars patch?
[03:04:56] <TimStarling>	maybe in a week or two
[03:05:01] <werdna>	hmm.
[03:05:35] <Splarka>	^demon: just let rainman worry about it if you can't give it a better summary ^_^
[03:06:22] <werdna>	Special:Log/abusefilter isn't working because abusefilter is 11 chars. Deciding whether to rename the log to 'abusefiltr' or something now, or wait for the change and fix the entries then manually.
[03:06:34] <werdna>	It's been live with the broken name for a few hours
[03:07:19] <Splarka>	abuselog ?
[03:07:25] <werdna>	no, Log/abusefilter
[03:07:35] <Splarka>	no, call it abuselog?
[03:07:38] <werdna>	there's Special:Log/abusefilter which logs filter changes.
[03:07:40] <werdna>	there
[03:07:43] <Splarka>	in line with http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AbuseLog
[03:07:50] <werdna>	is special:abuselog, which is a log of abuse.
[03:08:09] <werdna>	it isn't a log of abuse
[03:08:14] <werdna>	it's a log of the abuse filter.
[03:08:24] <CIA-60>	03tstarling * r48477 10/trunk/extensions/OggHandler/OggPlayer.js: Improved fix for bug 17837. Works in 3.0.7, needs to be tested on a few more versions. See the bug report for discussion.
[03:08:59] <Splarka>	hmm
[03:09:00] <Splarka>	<option value="gblrights">Global rights log</option>
[03:09:06] <Splarka>	afchanges
[03:09:14] <werdna>	yeah it's hideous and awful
[03:09:25] <Splarka>	and permanent, heh
[03:09:46] <werdna>	if the schema change is coming up I might just wait
[03:09:58] <Splarka>	just turn off logging until then?
[03:10:42] <werdna>	Currently logs to RC but not Special:Log
[03:11:09] <werdna>	because Special:log looks for Log/abusefilter whereas it gets cut off at Log/abusefilte
[03:11:52] <cmccormick>	is there a way to set up mediawiki so that changes are highlighted in the article text itself? I'm looking for something like a very simple version of the 'track changes' option in MS Word
[03:12:13] <werdna>	so it might be sensible to let it continue and then just fix the broken entries after the schema change.
[03:12:17] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Dates should be stored in ISO8601 notation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15548  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[03:12:28] <werdna>	cmccormick: ther's something called "HTML diffs"
[03:12:31] <Splarka>	ahh, annoying
[03:12:50] <cmccormick>	werdna: thanks, I'll look into that
[03:13:05] <^demon>	cmccormick: It's kind of hacky and needs some cleanup
[03:15:10] <cmccormick>	having a little trouble finding documentation on the options... a search on "html diffs" in the mediawiki.org searchbox returns no results
[03:16:21] <werdna>	!htmldiff
[03:16:21] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "htmldiff".
[03:16:23] <werdna>	hm
[03:16:28] <werdna>	@search diff
[03:16:28] --mwbot--	Results: [deleteuser, file, multiplewiki, rewriteproblems, shorturl]
[03:17:08] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Cortado player broken in Firefox 3.0.7, 3.1 beta 3 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17837  +comment (10tstarling)
[03:17:30] <Splarka>	$wgEnableHtmlDiff
[03:17:33] <werdna>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgEnableHtmlDiff
[03:17:44] <Splarka>	speaking of which
[03:19:15] *Splarka 	adds that to the recent changes text on test
[03:19:59] <Splarka>	guess I can remove RevisionDelete and ImageMoving since they're globally enabled now
[03:20:15] <cmccormick>	werdna: thanks. I'll have to try out that option
[03:21:48] <Splarka>	^demon Ladonna: 14895 14761 14759 14623 14565 14529 14467 14464 14447 
[03:22:11] <Ladonna>	I still have ...17910 17908 17848 17841 17811 17758
[03:22:16] <TimStarling>	anyone got a copy of FF 2 handy?
[03:22:43] <SudoKing>	noone uses dat old stuffz
[03:22:56] <werdna>	not installed.
[03:25:22] <TimStarling>	you can install two versions of FF side by side, although of course running the old one will trash your profile
[03:27:06] <CIA-60>	03tstarling * r48478 10/trunk/extensions/OggHandler/OggHandler.php: Updated $wgOggScriptVersion
[03:29:58] <werdna>	I think it's different on Mac.
[03:30:09] <werdna>	My FF3.0.7 and 3.1b have different profiles, I think.
[03:32:47] <TimStarling>	http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cross_Cut_Orange.ogg
[03:33:11] <TimStarling>	does that work on 3.1, with cortado and video element?
[03:35:23] <werdna>	My 3.1b3 crashes on startup
[03:35:24] <werdna>	sorry
[03:35:59] <TimStarling>	so how do you know if it has a different profile?
[03:36:50] <werdna>	It seemed to in 3.1b2
[03:37:02] <werdna>	although maybe I'm wrong, seems to keep my extensions.
[03:37:14] <werdna>	There certainly isn't corruption between 3.0.7 and 3.1b3
[03:42:53] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Cannot download V0.6 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17758  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[03:43:47] <Splarka>	are https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13393  and https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13320 the same thing?
[03:46:10] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) "tlh" wiki on sitematrix does not exist and link to "tlh" wikipedia is not shown - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13393  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[03:46:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Broken links in special:sitematrix - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13320  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[03:46:16] <^demon>	Splarka: Yes
[03:46:44] <TimStarling>	they're not identical
[03:47:01] <TimStarling>	but they're at a similar level for me completely not caring about them
[03:47:31] <TimStarling>	that's somewhere around 95% I think
[03:48:03] <TimStarling>	I'll mark it "later"
[03:48:14] <TimStarling>	nobody knows what that means, so it'll confuse them into going away
[03:49:01] <wikibugs>	06(LATER) Broken links in special:sitematrix - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13320  (10tstarling)
[03:49:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) wpSpamRegex entry for large image tables - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15063  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[03:49:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Global filters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17811  (10innocentkiller)
[03:53:05] <Splarka>	(repeat from split) next batch: 14426 13838 13625 13597 13570 13475 13375 13317 13287 13213 13178 13171 13170 13169 13150 13148 
[03:54:10] <Splarka>	"Show a second password entry box after the correct password is entered but on a non-home account"... that isn't the best summary, but you can glean it indicates CA/SUL type stuff
[03:55:14] *Splarka 	still thinks sticking the component in all wikibugs spams would be easier ^_^
[03:56:53] <Splarka>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11473  ahahah
[03:57:15] <Splarka>	Works for me! {{#if:true||}}
[03:57:26] <Splarka>	(everything is always in a section, even if it is section zero)
[03:58:04] <OverlordQ>	pretty sure entire wikipedia can be done with a single template call :P
[03:58:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) This page doesn't print correctly with IE7 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16890  (10wikimaralia)
[03:59:09] <^demon>	Splarka: WONTFIX?
[03:59:18] <Splarka>	dunno, ask Tim
[03:59:30] <Splarka>	it might not even be possible without totally rewriting the preprocessor
[03:59:47] <Splarka>	I mean, how would this work...
[04:00:04] <Splarka>	{{#insection:foo|=bar=}} {{#insection:foo|=bar=}}
[04:00:19] <Splarka>	(or if the section was transcluded or whatnot)
[04:01:24] <TimStarling>	it would not be simple
[04:06:26] *Splarka 	gets down to quadruple digits
[04:08:53] <^demon>	17952 is kinda a WFM. They just don't have DateTime installed, so they can't use the DATE_ constants.
[04:09:33] <Splarka>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9465  <-- isn't this already an extension?
[04:10:32] <^demon>	CLDR?
[04:11:51] <Splarka>	that's the one
[04:12:16] <Splarka>	obviously it will never be 'fixed' until every language name is translated to every other language
[04:12:23] <Splarka>	but it works well enough
[04:12:36] <Splarka>	(as in it exists)
[04:14:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Use of undefined constant DATE_W3C - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17952  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[04:15:39] <Splarka>	12927 12822 12787 12387 11768 11681 11525 11473 11411 11360 11250 11182 11180 10990 10973 10919 10900 10875 10874 10858 10201 10124 10099 9750 9738 9536 9519 9286 9262 9203 9187 9007 8965 8657 8655 8501 8359
[04:22:09] <CIA-60>	03demon * r48479 10/trunk/extensions/Gadgets/SpecialGadgets.php: (bug 13287) Edit links don't work as expected. Removed the edit links entirely. We already link to the pages anyway and the edit links were causing UI clutter.
[04:22:23] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) "Edit" link not working as expected - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13287  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[04:23:16] <werdna>	lazy
[04:23:24] <^demon>	werdna: Hm?
[04:27:47] <Splarka>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2542   haha
[04:29:08] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Style auto-completion fields - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10875  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[04:29:41] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Parser function to provide loop functionality - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2357  +comment (10herd)
[04:33:21] <Splarka>	last: 8095 8092 8090 8089 7572 7531 7329 7084 7057 7056 6529 5835 5567 4168 2238 
[04:33:41] <Splarka>	out of 609 open "Extension" bugs, those pasted numbers had really stupid edit summaries 
[04:34:32] <Splarka>	Tim: can https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11473 (previously mentioned) be duped to https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1605 maybe?
[04:43:36] <Splarka>	heh
[04:43:42] <Splarka>	I could create a new tracking bug
[04:43:55] <Splarka>	"Bugs needing more descriptive edit summaries"
[04:44:15] <^demon>	Or you could just improve them.
[04:44:27] <Splarka>	133 in the list (some fixed)
[04:44:34] <Splarka>	well, I don't think that is the proper solution
[04:44:41] <Splarka>	per my [[WP:POINT]]
[04:44:46] <flyingparchment>	the proper solution is to beat the user
[04:44:51] <Splarka>	well, yes
[04:45:13] <Splarka>	but a workable solution is to show the component in <wikibugs> but werdna didn't answer my question about it *cry*
[04:46:03] *derwin 	converts mediawiki 1.3.6betaX to 1.14
[04:46:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Use of undefined constant DATE_W3C - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17952  (10sergey.chernyshev)
[04:53:36] <luna6>	anybody migrated from apache to lightpd and if so what were your impressions?
[04:56:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) LogEventsList.php's getQueryInfo() INNER JOIN neglects log_user=0, causing deleteBatch.php's 'Delete page script' entries to be skipped - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17343  (10jidanni)
[04:57:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Set $wgBlockAllowsUTEdit = true for zh.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17987  (10PhiLiP.NPC)
[05:05:09] <Splarka>	MZMcBride: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Splarka/stupid_bug_names (not sure if it should be there or meta actually)
[05:05:22] <Splarka>	too lazy to put the summary by each, heh
[05:11:11] <OverlordQ>	bugzilla's advanced search hates me
[05:14:23] <Splarka>	whatcha lookin for?
[05:16:39] <OverlordQ>	ah, I figured it out. was trying to find all bugs by a user, the advanced form kept returning zarro bugs
[05:16:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Configure extension gives bad warning messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17979  summary (10public)
[05:16:52] <OverlordQ>	luckily I had one saved that searched for all of mine, and I replaced the email
[05:17:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Semantic MediaWiki has 'use of undefined constant DATE_W3C' error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17952  summary (10public)
[05:17:46] <Splarka>	ahh
[05:19:08] <OverlordQ>	really should change the get to a post, it's habit of shoving every single option at the end of the url tends to break stuff if you really do an advanced search :(
[05:21:32] <Splarka>	OverlordQ: to search for the same thing as 'my bugs' do this...
[05:22:04] <Splarka>	go to a new advanced search, go to the left email address field, uncheck "the bug assignee", check "the reporter", and put in the full email addy at the bottom
[05:22:45] <OverlordQ>	yea tried that ( I think) lemme try again
[05:23:29] <OverlordQ>	wtc, it works now :|
[05:24:04] <Splarka>	ahh, you're right!
[05:24:12] <Splarka>	advanced search _does_ hate you
[05:39:18] <kamathln>	hi, I am a complete noob to PHP. I installed mediawiki, which by itself works fine. But I tried modifying its mediawiki/includes/parser/Parser.php to be a filter (send wikimarkup in, get html out). Or at least that is what I am guessing. The code is here http://rafb.net/p/bK6H7H20.html . Please tell me why I get a error saying "Fatal error: Call to a member function profileIn() on a non-object in /usr/share/mediawiki/includes/Profiler.php on line 19"
[05:43:40] <OverlordQ>	might want to look at some of the existing things that do that before trying to rip out Parser.php
[05:44:21] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) mediawiki connects to centralauth database for logged in users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13801  +comment (10Andrew)
[05:46:28] <werdna>	Where would a sensible place to let people set their home wiki be?
[05:48:01] <kamathln>	OverlordQ: you mean like maintenance/importDump.php ?
[05:48:40] <OverlordQ>	!parser
[05:48:40] --mwbot--	For alternative parsers, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Alternative_parsers>. For an (incomplete) specification of mediawiki syntax, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Markup_spec>.
[05:48:50] <OverlordQ>	one of the dozen or so listed on alternative parsers
[05:50:18] <Splarka>	werdna: Special:MergeAccount of their current home wiki?
[05:51:50] <Splarka>	maybe like Special:MergeAccount/sethome which would add a (set as home wiki) link next to each
[05:51:55] <werdna>	ew
[05:52:14] <werdna>	there's skeletal code for unattaching in Special:MergeAccount
[05:52:23] <werdna>	I'd just add "Set this wiki as my home wiki"
[05:53:08] <Splarka>	well, wouldn't some sort of interaction with their actual home wiki be more secure?
[05:53:31] <Splarka>	(or is a merged account trusted implicitly...)
[05:53:36] <werdna>	why? Their account is merged.
[05:53:47] <werdna>	If they can log into any merged wiki, they can log into their home wiki.
[05:54:30] <Splarka>	well, say you accidentally merged a username the same as yours on a wiki you didn't create it on, like by guessing the password
[05:54:59] <Splarka>	(or say two users with the same name had the same password... heh)
[05:56:19] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) CodeReview "Next unresolved" et al should remember search details - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18012 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: CodeReview; (Andrew)
[05:56:35] <werdna>	If you are logged into a global account, you can log into all locally attached account
[05:56:38] <werdna>	s
[05:56:42] <werdna>	that's the whole point of a global account.
[06:00:05] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) dsadsasd - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18013 enhancement; Normal; dbzip2: General; (maxime.themens.1)
[06:00:53] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) dsadsasd - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18013  (10Andrew)
[06:05:09] <kamathln>	OverlordQ: thx
[06:11:22] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Thumbnailing produces much worse results for PNGs than JPG, but PNG is the only real option for serious restoration - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18014 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Images; (cuerden)
[06:18:12] <MZMcBride>	Heh.
[06:24:45] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r48480 10/trunk/extensions/Oversight/HideRevision_body.php: (bug 17977) Use proper revision accessors
[06:24:52] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Suppressed edit loses data if oversighted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17977  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[06:35:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) OTRS sends follow-up notification mails to all queue agents instead of only to ticket owner - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8662  (10tstarling)
[06:37:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Thumbnailing produces much worse results for PNGs than JPG, but PNG is the only real option for serious restoration - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18014  +comment (10overlordq)
[06:44:38] <kraut>	moin
[06:57:42] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enable 'UseAgentElementInStats' configuration on OTRS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17820  +comment (10tstarling)
[07:22:47] <crazy2k>	Is there an easy way to save a MediaWiki wiki (mainly the articles), without having access as an admin to the server? Something like use a web crawler to save all the articles in the wiki?
[07:23:03] <crazy2k>	And not just the renderized article, but the source too.
[07:27:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Duplicate article_attachment row when an attachment is sent from AgentTicketCompose - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17706  summary; +comment (10tstarling)
[07:41:32] <OverlordQ>	crazy2k: Special:Export, the API
[07:45:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Duplicate article_attachment row when an attachment is sent from AgentTicketCompose - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17706  (10tstarling)
[07:46:27] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Date format for OTRS should be changed to reduce confusion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15626  (10tstarling)
[07:46:53] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Yahoo mail sends incorrect charset header to OTRS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12230  (10tstarling)
[07:54:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) OTRS searches take a very long time - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15210  (10tstarling)
[08:14:30] <wikibugs>	03(RESOLVED) E-mail notifications are sent on every change (currently a wrong behaviour) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17084  +comment (10tstarling)
[08:28:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Submitting page with image from bad image list causes text to disappear - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16039  (10smolensk)
[08:30:44] <Nikerabbit>	hi werdna 
[08:31:28] <werdna>	hey Nikerabbit 
[08:33:02] <Nikerabbit>	werdna: did you forget to peek over the issues at our support page?
[08:36:31] <werdna>	Nikerabbit: yes, can you poke me in that direction?
[08:37:39] <CIA-60>	03tstarling * r48481 10/trunk/phase3/includes/JobQueue.php: No it is not a FIFO, what's your point?
[08:40:25] <Nikerabbit>	werdna: when? or do you need the url?
[08:43:19] <werdna>	Nikerabbit: yeah
[08:43:22] <werdna>	url please
[08:48:51] <Nikerabbit>	http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Support
[08:54:16] <werdna>	thanks
[09:02:31] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r48482 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (7 files in 4 dirs): 
[09:02:31] <CIA-60>	* [schema change] Added ability to restrict autoreview per page
[09:02:31] <CIA-60>	* Minor stable version log summary fix for 'other'
[09:02:31] <CIA-60>	* Improved a few messages
[09:02:31] <CIA-60>	* Other minor fixes
[09:16:10] <SOS>	Hi guys
[09:16:36] <SOS>	have I install a new wiki for each language?
[09:17:17] <SOS>	I would like to create a wiki help site into English and Italian
[09:17:47] <werdna>	Nikerabbit: can you reset my password on translatewiki?
[09:17:53] <werdna>	regular password reset seems broken
[09:18:59] <SOS>	this is my wiki http://itwiki.shinesoftware.com/
[09:18:59] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r48483 10/trunk/extensions/Renameuser/SpecialRenameuser_body.php: add queue comment
[09:19:15] <SOS>	now I would like to translate the page into English
[09:22:33] <werdna>	Nikerabbit: You logged in with a temporary e-mailed code. To finish logging in, you must set a new password here:
[09:22:36] <werdna>	You cannot reset the password for other users.
[09:22:39] <werdna>	well that
[09:22:39] <werdna>	is useful
[09:23:01] <Nikerabbit>	werdna: not my fault
[09:23:11] <werdna>	is so :)
[09:23:24] <werdna>	Nikerabbit: can you reset my password on translatewiki?
[09:24:18] <Nikerabbit>	werdna: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17722
[09:24:27] <Nikerabbit>	looks like it is not fixed after all
[09:24:54] <Splarka>	maybe http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=47569 caused password reset to no longer work with temporary passwords
[09:25:48] <Nikerabbit>	should I reopen the bug?
[09:26:14] <Splarka>	maybe werdna will fix it in trunk for you ^_^
[09:26:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Unable to change temporary password - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17722  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[09:27:41] <Splarka>	I'd ask if you were sure translatewiki was running r47976+ but you translators seem to take offense when it is suggested you aren't updating 10 seconds behind every commit ^_^
[09:28:03] *Splarka 	hides
[09:29:45] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: translators would be happy if we didn't update every 10 minutes
[09:31:04] <Splarka>	guinea pigs!
[09:31:07] <SOS>	any idea?
[09:31:34] <OverlordQ>	!farm
[09:31:34] --mwbot--	To run multiple wikis, you can simply install MediaWiki in different folders, with different databases or in one with database prefixes. You can also have multiple wikis using a single installation: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_family> and <http://booleandreams.wordpress.com/2007/06/12/running-multiple-instance-of-mediawiki-on-the-same-server-using-the-same-source-code/>.
[09:36:02] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka-bigs
[09:39:10] <Splarka>	rar
[09:40:48] <CIA-60>	03thomasv * r48484 10/trunk/extensions/ProofreadPage/ProofreadPage.php: refactoring; adding indexref parser hook; using invalidateCache for index pages
[10:16:37] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Update Logo for pntwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17960  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[10:29:26] <guillom>	Duesentrieb, ping?
[10:36:36] <werdna>	VasilievVV: btw how's abusefilter? If there are any problems tell me now -- going to dploy to enwiki tomorrow
[10:40:27] <VasilievVV>	werdna: is r48008 on Wikimedia now?
[10:41:17] <werdna>	[andrew@zwinger ~]$ svn info php-1.5/extensions/AbuseFilter
[10:41:22] <werdna>	Revision: 48466
[10:41:36] <werdna>	so I guess so
[10:41:57] <VasilievVV>	Was bug with leaking private filters fixed?
[10:42:16] <werdna>	no, not yet. I'll do that before deploying
[10:42:37] <Duesentrieb>	guillom: hi, what's up?
[10:42:49] <guillom>	Duesentrieb, pm
[10:43:03] <werdna>	guillom: are you going to BA?
[10:43:30] <guillom>	werdna, if I get a scholarship, I'd love to
[10:43:46] <werdna>	ah, so maybe
[10:43:53] <werdna>	just wondering best time to book flights
[10:44:47] <guillom>	werdna, right now I'm purchasing various tickets for the chapters meeting :)
[10:44:53] <werdna>	ah
[10:45:06] <werdna>	I mean should I fly in August 21 or 24?
[10:45:11] <werdna>	for 26-9
[10:45:47] <VasilievVV>	werdna: I don't know any bugs except private filters leaking bug
[10:46:41] <werdna>	ok
[11:10:23] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) File double redirects do not work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18015 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Images; (adam.brookes)
[11:13:30] <VasilievVV>	I thought we didn't support double redirects, did we?
[11:24:14] <Simetrical>	VasilievVV, some support was added recently.
[11:24:21] <Simetrical>	Optionally, last I checked.
[11:24:38] <VasilievVV>	Simetrical: is it enabled on Wikimedia?
[11:25:23] <Simetrical>	VasilievVV, I don't think so.
[11:25:47] <Splarka>	it was accidentally briefly, due to a math error
[11:26:00] <QuestPC>	Hi! How can I distinguish "base" parser from subparsers during ParserClearState hook processing? The extension registers custom tag with $wgParser->setHook("tag","func"). Then, ParserClearState hook is used to reset internal objects count (which should be increased during processing of every <tag></tag> pair), but ParserClearState is invoked after every tag hook function, so the counter of internal objects is being reset instead of increasing.
[11:26:01] <VasilievVV>	Simetrical: shall then we WONTFIX bug 18015?
[11:26:41] <Simetrical>	VasilievVV, um, why should we?
[11:26:47] <Simetrical>	They aren't enabled on Wikimedia yet.
[11:26:54] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgMaxRedirects
[11:27:07] <Simetrical>	Doesn't mean they won't be, and anyway, what's wrong with adding the feature to the software if it won't be used on Wikimedia?
[11:27:21] <Simetrical>	Hmm, __NOINDEX__ appears not to work on trunk.
[11:27:36] *Simetrical 	double-checks his LocalSettings
[11:27:37] <Splarka>	what aren't enabled on Wikimedia yet?
[11:28:20] <Simetrical>	Oh.
[11:28:31] <Simetrical>	$wgExemptFromUserRobotsControl defaults to $wgContentNamespaces.
[11:28:39] <Simetrical>	That explains things pretty well.  :D
[11:29:10] <werdna>	btw password resetting is too
[11:29:16] <werdna>	need to fx that soon
[11:29:22] <werdna>	or stab ^demon
[11:30:31] <Splarka>	Simetrical: image moves were enabled for sysops project wide a few hours ago
[11:30:32] <VasilievVV>	Wow
[11:30:38] <QuestPC>	Is there any simple way to distinguish parser from subparsers?
[11:30:45] <VasilievVV>	File redirects are undeletable! :)
[11:30:48] <Simetrical>	Splarka, yay
[11:30:58] <Splarka>	and file redirects have worked on commons for weeks
[11:31:45] <Simetrical>	Splarka, the future is arriving!
[11:31:56] <Splarka>	it zoomed by and hit a tree
[11:31:58] <Splarka>	now it is in hospital
[11:32:16] <Splarka>	trying to find the math error
[11:32:38] <Splarka>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=47512
[11:32:40] <Splarka>	there it is
[11:33:05] <Splarka>	double redirects were accidentally enabled between 45973 and 47512 on wmf
[11:34:31] <Splarka>	so, File redirects should be possible at whatever depth $wgMaxRedirects is set to, right?
[11:34:45] *Splarka 	sets VvVV to work on that ^_^
[11:37:26] *VasilievVV 	likes WONTFIX variant more, to be honest. Also, he has his Debian installation broken, and all tools under it
[11:38:29] <Nikerabbit>	daraa
[11:38:48] *VasilievVV 	restores his tools under Windows
[11:39:37] <VasilievVV>	My local copy of MediaWiki there is up to r37508
[11:39:42] <Simetrical>	VasilievVV, why do you think it deserves WONTFIX?
[11:40:16] <VasilievVV>	Simetrical: because double redirects deserves fixing them, not supporting them from my POV
[11:41:03] <Simetrical>	VasilievVV, I disagree, but I'm in too much of a rush right now to provide examples where fixing them would be less useful than leaving them.
[11:41:09] <Simetrical>	Ask yourself why we don't fix them automatically . . .
[11:41:21] <VasilievVV>	We used to, didn't we?
[11:41:43] <Simetrical>	Pretty sure not, no.
[11:41:52] <Simetrical>	Hmm, I remember a "Redirect fixer", but that was shut off.
[11:42:13] <VasilievVV>	It was working
[11:42:23] *VasilievVV 	really loved it
[11:42:26] <werdna>	it just flooded the DB with vandal edits
[11:45:54] <QuestPC>	Cool! ParserFirstCallInit is the proper hook. It's presented in recent versions of mediawiki.
[11:46:53] <werdna>	yeah
[11:47:39] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Update Logo for pntwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17960  +comment (10p858snake)
[11:47:51] <Splarka>	VasilievVV: it isn't so "double redirects", that distinction was deprecated by the new feature allowing a sliding redirect depth
[11:48:10] <Splarka>	^so much
[11:48:44] <Splarka>	does it work properly with $wgMaxRedirects set to zero, for example? or three?
[11:49:48] <QuestPC>	Unfortunately, it seems to not being documented on http://mediawiki.org. The code itself is being updated much faster than the documentation.
[12:39:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) OTRS sends follow-up notification mails to all queue agents instead of only to ticket owner - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8662  (10brianna.laugher)
[12:41:43] <MGrab>	hellow
[12:44:31] <davidt|away>	hi
[12:53:27] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) OTRS sends follow-up notification mails to all queue agents instead of only to ticket owner - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8662  +comment (10wikimedia)
[12:54:48] <guillom>	dammit
[12:54:53] *guillom 	stabs Alison
[12:55:02] <guillom>	my first edit conflict on bugzilla
[12:58:45] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) OTRS sends follow-up notification mails to all queue agents instead of only to ticket owner - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8662  +comment (10guillom.pom)
[13:10:48] <Raymond_afk>	werdna: pong
[13:10:59] <werdna>	Raymond_afk: updated abusefilter a bit
[13:11:08] <werdna>	please try to break it, I'm deploying to enwiki tomorrow :)
[13:11:20] <Raymond_afk>	werdna: ok, I will give my best :)
[13:11:33] <werdna>	tell me any suggestions for improvement
[13:12:03] <Raymond_afk>	sure :)
[13:18:47] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r48485 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Prevent leaking of hidden filters through history interface.
[13:22:46] <Nikerabbit>	werdna: did you look at the other questions?
[13:23:28] <werdna>	Nikerabbit: yes, had a look
[13:23:34] <werdna>	need to get back to them, I know
[13:23:41] <werdna>	got distracted.
[13:23:42] <Nikerabbit>	ok
[13:23:45] *werdna 	adds to todo
[13:23:46] <Nikerabbit>	no hurry
[13:25:30] <werdna>	Nikerabbit: okie
[13:43:08] <davidt>	Why would I use Xml::openElement/Xml::closeElement instead of just using "<whatever>", "</whatever>"?
[13:43:41] <werdna>	Because it's better code.
[13:43:45] <werdna>	It prevents XSS
[13:43:54] <Nikerabbit>	not really
[13:43:58] <werdna>	it's prettier code, easier to maintain.
[13:44:03] <Nikerabbit>	sometimes
[13:44:08] <werdna>	Nikerabbit: it does all the escaping for you if you use Xml::element.
[13:44:22] <werdna>	davidt: I tend to use Xml::element instead of openElement and closeElement
[13:44:24] <Nikerabbit>	but he was talking specifically openE and closeE
[13:44:36] <davidt>	werdna: And if I need some text inside?
[13:45:19] <davidt>	Say, I want a "label" element, how would I write it? $wgOut->addHTML( Xml::openElement( 'label' ).wfMsg('message').Xml::closeElement( 'label' ));
[13:45:29] <werdna>	davidt: neither.
[13:45:33] <werdna>	Use Xml::label()
[13:45:37] <davidt>	oh
[13:45:53] <werdna>	and you should be using wfMsgHtml or wfMsgExt( 'message', 'parse' ) there.
[13:46:05] <werdna>	because it needs escaping
[13:46:14] <VasilievVV>	werdna: maybe parseinline, not parse?
[13:46:19] <werdna>	yeah
[13:46:24] <werdna>	VasilievVV: 13:18 < CIA-60> werdna * r48485 /trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Prevent leaking of hidden filters through history interface.
[13:46:30] <werdna>	I'll update it on the live site tomorrow
[13:47:19] <VasilievVV>	werdna: thanks. I'd now call AbuseFilter ready for productional use (though there's no better test for feature than run it on enwiki)
[13:47:31] <Nikerabbit>	werdna: example needs escaping, not Xml::label :o
[13:47:47] <davidt>	hmm
[13:47:59] <davidt>	Now I see why it's nice :)
[13:48:15] <werdna>	make sure you are very sure of what you're doing
[13:48:32] <werdna>	Xml::element is for TEXT, Xml::tags is for HTML as what you're putting in
[13:48:44] <werdna>	if you use Xml::tags when you mean Xml::element, you can have XSS
[13:48:55] <werdna>	if you use Xml::element when you mean Xml::tags, you can get double escaping
[13:49:31] <davidt>	What's the difference between Xml::tags and Xml::element?
[13:50:06] <werdna>	Xml::tags accepts HTML as input, Xml::element accepts test
[13:50:10] <werdna>	text
[13:50:27] <werdna>	Xml::tags is like openElement . $content . closeElement
[13:50:44] <werdna>	Xml::element is like openElement . htmlspecialchars($content) . closeElement
[13:52:21] <davidt>	Xml is very nice
[13:52:33] <werdna>	yes :)
[13:52:40] <davidt>	Now I see it's powe
[13:52:43] <davidt>	power
[13:52:57] *davidt 	goes on to rewrite all the output code of his special page
[13:53:12] <werdna>	if you want *everything* done for you in a form, use Xml::buildForm
[13:53:27] <davidt>	werdna: Just found it out
[13:53:32] <werdna>	it accepts array( 'message-for-label' => html_for_input ), 'message-for-submit'
[13:53:35] <werdna>	I wrote it :)
[13:53:44] <davidt>	werdna: Looks really cool
[13:54:21] <davidt>	werdna: The problem from what I see right now, is that I can't define fieldsets
[13:54:30] <werdna>	Xml::fieldset is there :D
[13:54:49] <davidt>	So I could use buildForm for inside the fieldsets, and then Xml:;fieldset for around it
[13:55:02] <werdna>	right
[13:55:08] <werdna>	that's how I do mine
[13:55:13] <davidt>	Nice
[13:55:25] <davidt>	werdna: Though our DHTML guy will kill me for using <table> for that stuff
[13:56:04] <werdna>	Here's an example -- http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/Views/AbuseFilterViewEdit.php?view=markup
[13:56:17] <werdna>	feel free to copy it and use <dl>
[13:56:29] <werdna>	but we use tables in MediaWiki -- I wanted to keep with house style
[13:56:40] <werdna>	    function buildFilterEditor( $error, $filter, $history_id=null ) {
[13:56:41] <werdna>	look for that
[13:57:28] <ThomasV>	hello. is djvutxt installed in the servers ? I would like to call it from shell
[13:58:35] <ThomasV>	TimStarling?  ^
[13:59:00] <werdna>	ThomasV: it's 1am his timezone
[13:59:04] <werdna>	although he's very jetlagged.
[13:59:14] <ThomasV>	oh
[13:59:24] <ThomasV>	anyone with shell access here ?
[13:59:33] <RobH>	Tim is usually awake till around my lunchtime.
[13:59:47] <RobH>	Me, but I am about to say 'screw this working' and sit on my couch with an icepack.
[13:59:51] <werdna>	andrew@srv136:~$ locate djvutxt
[13:59:51] <werdna>	/usr/bin/djvutxt
[13:59:54] <werdna>	seems to work
[14:00:06] <ThomasV>	thanks werdna 
[14:00:19] <werdna>	at least, it's there on srv136, a three-digit number I picked completely randomly :P
[14:00:47] <ThomasV>	well I guess it belongs in the same package that allows to display djvu
[14:01:52] <RobH>	if its on srv136, then it should be a default install for our wikimedia-task-appserver package.
[14:02:01] <RobH>	as srv136 is a base apache server with memcached.
[14:02:09] <werdna>	RobH is the only person with the highest ever server access :P
[14:02:14] <werdna>	physical access! :D
[14:02:20] <RobH>	hahaha, yes
[14:02:25] <RobH>	too bad I cannot drive down there.
[14:02:36] <RobH>	werdna: i have successfully ripped up the tendons in my foot.
[14:02:45] <werdna>	RobH: why did you attempt to do that
[14:03:00] <RobH>	I stepped off a curb funny or something I guess
[14:03:08] <p858snake>	<werdna> ThomasV: it's 1am his timezone <you reply with thats like a bad thing, then you instantly say that it's jetlag like it's normal >.>
[14:03:09] <RobH>	cuz now I am stuck on a cane for 2 weeks.
[14:03:18] <werdna>	p858snake: heh
[14:03:27] <werdna>	RobH: ooooold man.
[14:03:31] <RobH>	wiki sysadmins having jetlag is normal twice a year =]
[14:03:35] *werdna 	watches RobH hobble.
[14:03:48] <RobH>	indeed, i hobble aorund and insult folks
[14:03:48] <werdna>	RobH: plus wikimania! \o/
[14:03:52] <ThomasV>	p858snake: huh ?
[14:03:55] <RobH>	my friends are calling me house now
[14:03:57] <werdna>	RobH: do you have a lawn?
[14:04:07] <RobH>	not everyone gets approved for wikimania ;_;
[14:04:14] <werdna>	I'm going on my own dime.
[14:04:19] <RobH>	I hope I do, I wanna give a talk!
[14:04:27] <RobH>	but we shall see.
[14:04:40] <werdna>	I'm booking the tickets in the next few days
[14:05:01] *ThomasV 	commited
[14:05:03] <CIA-60>	03thomasv * r48486 10/trunk/extensions/ProofreadPage/ProofreadPage.php: if available, extract text using djvutxt
[14:05:19] <ThomasV>	we'll see if I get flamed
[14:05:35] <RobH>	ThomasV: you will make a lady very happy someday with your ability to commit.
[14:05:39] <RobH>	;]
[14:05:49] <ThomasV>	lol
[14:06:29] <p858snake>	werdna: do you want the lawn to sleep on or to yell at young people?
[14:06:37] <werdna>	for RobH to yell at me.
[14:06:43] <werdna>	RobH: ughhh
[14:06:47] <werdna>	stab stab stab
[14:06:49] <RobH>	durn kids
[14:06:53] <RobH>	get off my virtual lawn
[14:07:01] <werdna>	RobH: ou're on second life?
[14:07:09] <Raymond_afk>	werdna: try http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spezial:Missbrauchsfilter/4?uselang=en in "Abuse Filter navigation (Home | ..."  the word "Home" is bold but should be a link I assume
[14:07:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Logo for sah.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17855  +comment (10hugo_a_saavedra)
[14:07:28] <ThomasV>	RobH: would you be kind enough to sync that extension ?
[14:07:47] <RobH>	I do not touch SVN, its outside my 'realm'
[14:07:59] <RobH>	one of the devs has to do extension stuff, sorry =[
[14:08:11] <ThomasV>	ok
[14:08:23] <RobH>	I am attempting to do the smallest amount of critical work then taking the day off
[14:08:29] <ThomasV>	we'll see later then, if the wiki breaks apart
[14:08:32] <RobH>	and elevating my busted foot and watching mythbusters!
[14:08:47] <ThomasV>	hehe
[14:09:31] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r48487 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/SpecialAbuseFilter.php: Fix nav links for edit screen
[14:09:35] <werdna>	Raymond_afk: fixed
[14:09:45] <werdna>	trwhat's wrong?
[14:09:51] <werdna>	ThomasV: what's up?
[14:10:47] <ThomasV>	werdna: dunno
[14:11:09] <werdna>	we're doinga  general code update soon
[14:11:18] <werdna>	so unless it's security, I prolly won't sync it
[14:11:30] <ThomasV>	np
[14:11:32] <werdna>	mostly because I don't want to have to review it :D
[14:11:34] <ThomasV>	it is not urgent
[14:11:42] <ThomasV>	bah, it's 10 lines
[14:11:45] <werdna>	okie, it'll be live in the next day or two
[14:11:46] <werdna>	hehe
[14:11:59] <werdna>	but those ten lines could be:
[14:12:09] <werdna>	$u = User::newFomName( 'ThomasV' );
[14:12:22] <werdna>	foreach( User::getAllGroups() as $g )
[14:12:23] <werdna>	{
[14:12:27] <werdna>	$u->addGroup( $g );
[14:12:28] <werdna>	}
[14:12:48] <werdna>	$dbw = wfGetDB( DB_MASTER );
[14:13:16] <werdna>	$res = $dbw->select( 'user_groups', 'ug_user', array(), __METHOD__ );
[14:13:35] <werdna>	while( $row = $dbw->fetchObject( $res ) ) {
[14:14:05] <werdna>	$u = User::newFromId( $row->ug_user ); $u->removeGroup( $row->ug_group );
[14:14:06] <werdna>	}
[14:14:07] <ThomasV>	werdna : I would never attemps something so obvious to detect :-)
[14:14:09] <werdna>	!!
[14:14:09] --mwbot--	A red exclamation point (<span class="unpatrolled">!</span>)in recent changes or on your watchlist is due to either the enabling of patrolled editing <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Patrolled_edits> or the Flagged Revisions extension <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:FlaggedRevs>
[14:14:19] <ThomasV>	werdna: http://xkcd.com/327/
[14:14:29] <werdna>	ThomasV: hehe, well as a test of your code review powahz, find the problem with that code
[14:14:43] <davidt>	werdna: Is there a Xml function for a regular button?
[14:15:01] <ThomasV>	I do not claim to have review powers
[14:15:33] <werdna>	davidt: I think so, have a look at http://mwref.werdn.us and type Xml::
[14:17:07] <davidt>	werdna: Getting 404 on the Ajax
[14:17:30] <werdna>	lame
[14:17:49] <davidt>	werdna: Could be awesome if that would work
[14:17:53] <Raymond_afk>	werdna: a suggestion: the edit filter window has in the drop down menu with the option to add behind every option the code itself with exception of the "variables" section. Could be useful to add the code there too.
[14:18:14] <werdna>	 * Stopping web server lighttpd
[14:18:14] <werdna>	   ...done.
[14:18:14] <werdna>	 * Starting web server lighttpd
[14:18:14] <werdna>	   ...done.
[14:18:30] <davidt>	werdna: Nice, totally
[14:18:40] <werdna>	Raymond_afk: it's done in the i18n, should do it though
[14:19:22] <Raymond_afk>	werdna: oh, I will have a look there. thanks.
[14:19:58] <werdna>	no I will do it ;)
[14:20:19] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Update Logo for pntwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17960  +comment (10rhalsell)
[14:20:28] <Raymond_>	:)
[14:30:59] <Raymond_>	werdna: I tested the revoke of autopromote rights. But neither the revokation of autoconfirmed status nor the grant of autoconcirmation by me is logged in Special:log
[14:31:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) JavaScript still tries to capitalise the first letter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15470  (10subfader)
[14:38:29] <nalid>	hi guys. we use media wiki for our company wiki. i was hoping to have some links on the wiki that would allow users to download pdf's off of our server. any idea if this functionality exists? i can't find much info on google regarding this
[14:43:50] <ilyak>	nalid: upload pdf's as files?
[14:43:57] <ilyak>	and provide links?
[14:45:15] <nalid>	ya i think i might be having a brain fart :P
[14:52:17] <Sven`home>	Hi. Could anyone point me to some documentation explaining how to alter a page on save using an extension? I want to parse every page that is saved for special data and maybe add some text to it (depends on the text the user wrote. I added a hook for 'ArticleSave' but am not quite sure where to go from here. Thanks!
[14:57:20] <AnthonyD>	Hello everyone
[14:58:25] <AnthonyD>	I am thinking of using MediaWiki for a project. I work for an environmental firm, and we are seeking to make non-for-profit project using mediawiki
[14:58:41] <AnthonyD>	We are seeking advice, and potential collaboration
[14:59:30] <AnthonyD>	Is anyone available just now?
[14:59:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Set $wgBlockAllowsUTEdit = true for zh.wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17986  (10jwongwiki)
[15:03:50] <Duesentrieb>	AnthonyD: lots of people online, but a concrete question helps with gettign a concrete answer.
[15:04:03] <Duesentrieb>	advice about what? collaboration with whom? what for?...
[15:04:21] <AnthonyD>	with my company - I work for Consep Ltd - consepconsulting.com
[15:04:22] <Duesentrieb>	for a more general discussion, perhaps the mailing list would be a better place.
[15:04:38] <Duesentrieb>	yea, but who do you want to collaborate with? and with what aim?=
[15:08:35] <AnthonyD>	ok all
[15:08:50] <AnthonyD>	i) we are an environmental firm about to set up a non-for-profit online project; this should help move the sector forward, and could be very popular - I can't go into too much detail about it, but if you are interested, and have experience with web / media wiki programing please get in touch - either IRC chat or d.bann@consepconsulting.com
[15:09:09] <AnthonyD>	ii) our current media wiki website isn't working, and we are not sure why - http://www.consepconsulting.com/SEISB
[15:09:50] <AnthonyD>	I will leave point 'i' with you guys
[15:10:00] <AnthonyD>	but for point 'ii', does anyone have any feedback at all?
[15:10:53] <AnthonyD>	(your help would be appreciated - we are new to this, and have expertise in environmental work, not web programming)
[15:12:26] <Wuzur|rhn>	AnthonyD: Your problems look like a wrong installation, the table here might help http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Config_script#Filling_up_the_Form_fields
[15:13:27] <davidt>	Xml doesn't have a Xml::div function?
[15:14:29] <Duesentrieb>	AnthonyD: well, [% mysql.mwiki.sqlhost %] sure isn't the server name for your mysql database. looks like a template variable that didn't get replaced. what are you using to install mediawiki?
[15:15:11] <AnthonyD>	thanks for the help :)
[15:15:18] <AnthonyD>	I'll be able to send more information shortly
[15:15:56] <AnthonyD>	Duesentrieb - we used an autmatic script from cPanel  
[15:16:24] <Duesentrieb>	AnthonyD: complain to whoever set that up then.
[15:16:26] <AnthonyD>	I'm not sure if you are familiar with cPanel, but it is the online tool we use for our server (based on dataflame.co.uk )
[15:16:39] <AnthonyD>	Is there anyway we can manually change the template variable?
[15:18:59] <CIA-60>	03catrope * r48488 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiQueryInfo.php: API: Fix E_NOTICE which broke displaying of legacy restrictions (page.page_restrictions) in prop=info
[15:19:59] <Duesentrieb>	AnthonyD: i have never worked with it, but it seems popular. but in your case it's not configured right, it seems#
[15:20:15] <Duesentrieb>	AnthonyD: you can edit your LocalSettings.php file manually and supply the correct database name
[15:20:16] <Duesentrieb>	!config
[15:20:16] --mwbot--	All configuration is done in LocalSettings.php (near the end of the file). Editing other files means modifying the software. Default settings are not in LocalSettings.php, you can look in DefaultSettings.php. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_MediaWiki>, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:LocalSettings.php>, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Config_script>, and <http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf>
[15:21:27] <AnthonyD>	thank you
[15:28:00] <CIA-60>	03catrope * r48489 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/specials/SpecialProtectedpages.php): (bug 11487) Special:Protectedpages doesn't list protections with pr_expiry IS NULL. Patch by Jidanni
[15:30:33] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Special:Protectedpages forgot NULL pr_expiry - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11487  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[15:33:17] <Sven`home>	Can someone point me to some good documentation about writing extensions? 
[15:33:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) colon sometimes URL encoded "%3A" right there in the browser URL entry area - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17680  (10roan.kattouw)
[15:34:34] <Duesentrieb>	!extensions | Sven`home
[15:34:34] --mwbot--	Sven`home: MediaWiki has been built so it can easily be customized by adding extensions. This is usually a simple process. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Extensions> for instructions to install extensions, as well as for writing them. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix> for an overview of known extensions.
[15:35:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) LogEventsList.php's getQueryInfo() INNER JOIN neglects log_user=0, causing deleteBatch.php's 'Delete page script' entries to be skipped - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17343  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[15:35:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) The logging table needs a log_user_text field so that events from anonymous users can be logged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3732  (10roan.kattouw)
[15:40:03] <AnthonyD>	cool
[15:40:13] <AnthonyD>	http://www.consepconsulting.com/mediawiki - does this URL work for you?
[15:40:21] <AnthonyD>	it doesn't load on my machine, but does on a colleague's
[15:40:59] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r48490 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
[15:40:59] <CIA-60>	Follow up r48456: Document the new right in DefaultSettings.
[15:40:59] <CIA-60>	* Document the hard coded limit of 5
[15:40:59] <CIA-60>	* Add a right-... message for the new right
[15:41:23] <Wuzur|rhn>	it works here
[15:41:28] <Duesentrieb>	works fine
[15:42:14] <MGrab>	AnthonyD: WORKSFORME, but why MW 1.6.10? why not something newer?
[15:42:24] <Sven`home>	thanks, Duesentrieb. I guess I already got that.. Is there any _good_ documentation of the basic code? Like which functions I need to call to edit an article? Or do I need to read all the code myself?
[15:44:14] <Wuzur|rhn>	MGrab: It's PHP 4, there is no newer version which works with that
[15:44:30] <flyingparchment>	why would _anyone_ still be using php4?
[15:44:38] <flyingparchment>	do you run windows 95 too?
[15:44:56] <Wuzur|rhn>	:D
[15:44:59] <MGrab>	flyingparchment: that's what I was going to ask
[15:45:22] <Duesentrieb>	Sven`home: it's in there somewhere :=
[15:45:31] <AnthonyD>	thanks folks
[15:45:33] <Simetrical>	Now, now, Windows 95 is older than PHP4.  You mean Windows ME.
[15:45:38] <AnthonyD>	i'll ask about MW 1.6.10
[15:46:02] <Simetrical>	AnthonyD, ask about PHP 5.
[15:46:02] <Wuzur|rhn>	or even better: ask why php5 isn't installed
[15:46:42] <Simetrical>	PHP 4 is older than Linux 2.4.  :(
[15:47:24] <AnthonyD>	thanks - i'll ask my colleague
[15:48:00] <porter1>	What is the equivalent of the <br> tag in mediawiki? Just a blank line?
[15:48:24] <flyingparchment>	<br>
[15:48:29] <porter1>	:)
[15:49:50] *porter1 	hates when users post direct links to files that were uploaded, instead of referring to the upload itself.
[15:50:26] <Duesentrieb>	porter1: a blank line starts a newparagraph. i.e. it's roughly </p><p>
[15:50:32] <Sven`home>	Is it normal behaviour for php-developers that there are almost no comments? ;9
[15:51:17] <Duesentrieb>	Sven`home: that'S normal for most types of developers, except the type that gets payed per line or by hour but with no deadlines.
[15:51:38] <porter1>	Duesentrieb, thanks. It don't think it will break anything if I switch it then....
[15:52:12] <Sven`home>	Duesentrieb: ehrm.... yeah, whatever ;)
[15:59:14] <Simetrical>	Duesentrieb, or who has to maintain official coding standards like comment percentages or something.
[15:59:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SkinTemplate.php's buildContentActionUrls() ignores protection for article and talk pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17963  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[16:00:12] <Duesentrieb>	Simetrical: yes. never seen that happen. but i hear places like that exists. in mey experience, you are twold two days about coding standards, and then it's just OH FUCK THE DEADLINE!!!111
[16:02:28] <Sven`home>	Well. Compare projects like QT with MediaWiki... ;)
[16:06:29] <Simetrical>	We're hardly the most disciplined project about commenting.
[16:07:01] <Simetrical>	I've never read many other projects very much, but we don't even have comments on every function.
[16:07:06] <Simetrical>	That's pretty poor.
[16:07:13] <Simetrical>	I'm not sure we even have comments on most functions.
[16:07:33] <Simetrical>	With closed-source at least you have the excuse that you don't care if other people can read it, but others are supposed to be able to hack on our code.
[16:07:57] <Simetrical>	I think I use enough comments: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/Category.php?revision=47775&view=markup
[16:09:44] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) colon sometimes URL encoded "%3A" right there in the browser URL entry area - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17680  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[16:10:36] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Redirect file names for Commons files should display on other wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18016 minor; Normal; MediaWiki: Redirects; (ragesoss)
[16:11:00] <Simetrical>	Sven`home, I'm curious, do you think my above link is reasonably well-commented?
[16:11:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Thumbnailing produces much worse results for PNGs than JPG, but PNG is the only real option for serious restoration - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18014  (10cuerden)
[16:13:16] <RoanKattouw>	Simetrical: The description comment for the Category class doesn't describe what the class is and does, just that it's immutable :P
[16:13:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Redirect file names for Commons files should display on other wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18016  (10ragesoss)
[16:13:53] *RoanKattouw 	WTFs at $foo === null
[16:14:13] <Simetrical>	RoanKattouw, yeah, true.  I assumed the reader would know that a Category object represents a MediaWiki category, and know what that is.
[16:14:26] <Simetrical>	Seems fair enough.  Maybe I could add a bit more info there.
[16:14:32] <Simetrical>	What's WTF about $foo === null?
[16:14:33] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Redirect file names for Commons files should display on other wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18016  +comment (10ragesoss)
[16:14:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Image redirects from the shared repo don't show "redirected from" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14117  (10ragesoss)
[16:14:47] <RoanKattouw>	Simetrical: is_null($foo) is what we usually use, I believe it's even faster
[16:15:02] <Simetrical>	They mean the same thing, don't they?
[16:15:04] <Simetrical>	So who cares?
[16:15:14] <Simetrical>	And I bet you there's no detectable speed difference.
[16:15:20] <Simetrical>	Or no significant one, let's say.
[16:18:25] <Sven`home>	Simetrical: I started to learn PHP today so I could use some more comments. But I think for non beginners it is fine. 
[16:19:03] <RoanKattouw>	Sven`home: Well of course the comments aren't aimed at beginners ;) explaining PHP syntax is not what they're supposed to do
[16:19:16] <Sven`home>	I am trying to understand some extensions right now and the main problem is the use of all those global variables without ever telling what is stored there
[16:19:20] <flyingparchment>	$a += 2;  #  add 2 to the value of a
[16:19:32] <Sven`home>	RoanKattouw: Yeah, that's why I said it is fine ;)
[16:20:06] <Simetrical>	Sven`home, try looking in phase3/docs/.  I believe there's a globals.txt there or something.
[16:20:09] <Simetrical>	Maybe design.txt.
[16:20:09] <Sven`home>	I get most of the syntax from my knowledge of other $cnObject = new Testing();
[16:20:09] <Sven`home>	 45     $wgHooks['ArticleSave'][] = array( &$cnObject, 'testThis' );
[16:20:12] <Sven`home>	oops
[16:20:21] <Sven`home>	paste by mistake, sorry
[16:20:34] <Sven`home>	I'll have a look at that. Thanks
[16:22:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Image redirects from the shared repo don't show "redirected from" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14117  (10ragesoss)
[16:30:32] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r48491 10/trunk/extensions/LanguageSelector/LanguageSelector.php: 
[16:30:32] <CIA-60>	* Avoid E_DEPRECATED saying that split() is obsolete since PHP 5.3
[16:30:32] <CIA-60>	* Fix error: define $contLang before using it :)
[16:31:06] <Nikerabbit>	RoanKattouw: I'm pretty sure $foo === might even be the faster version :o
[16:31:13] <Simetrical>	You'd think so.
[16:31:21] <Simetrical>	It's a built-in operator, instead of a function.
[16:32:03] <RoanKattouw>	Well I do think is_string() is faster than === 'foo'
[16:32:22] <Simetrical>	Well, no kidding, they check something totally different.
[16:32:26] <RoanKattouw>	So in that light it makes sense for is_null() to be faster than === null even though null is the only thing of type null
[16:32:39] <Simetrical>	Depends on how === is written.
[16:32:50] <Simetrical>	It's a stupid discussion anyway, microoptimization taken to absurd lengths.
[16:32:59] <RoanKattouw>	No, they're not *totally* different. is_null() checks a type, like is_string(), but == null checks a value, like == 'foo', and === checks both
[16:33:15] <RoanKattouw>	(remember that null is both a type and a value of that type)
[16:33:35] <Simetrical>	=== 'foo' checks some bit in the zval struct or whatever, and then probably does a strcmp().
[16:33:47] <Simetrical>	The other three all need to only check the bit in the struct.
[16:33:55] <Duesentrieb>	Simetrical: but null is a singleton type. so what'S the difference, effectively?
[16:33:59] <Simetrical>	Actually, maybe not a strcmp() exactly, since PHP strings are binary-safe.
[16:34:02] <Simetrical>	Who cares?
[16:34:11] <RoanKattouw>	Yes, null is a singleton type, but is PHP smart enough to realize that? xD
[16:34:26] <Duesentrieb>	hehe...
[16:34:32] <RoanKattouw>	I vaguely recall reading something about is_null() being faster in the PHP manual but I can't find it (anymore)
[16:34:44] <Duesentrieb>	i think php is stupid enough to have lots of special cases for stuff liket his :)
[16:34:44] <Simetrical>	I doubt the manual says it, probably some idiot commenter.
[16:34:47] <RoanKattouw>	!extensions | markisoke 
[16:34:47] --mwbot--	markisoke: MediaWiki has been built so it can easily be customized by adding extensions. This is usually a simple process. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Extensions> for instructions to install extensions, as well as for writing them. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix> for an overview of known extensions.
[16:46:10] <RoanKattouw>	Simetrical: What does that $dbw->conditional() stuff in Category.php do? Those vars seem to be unused
[16:46:48] <RoanKattouw>	Ah, COUNT($cond1) . Doxygen's highlighting engine ftl
[16:48:36] <Simetrical>	I'm pretty sure both MySQL and pgsql support at least one common syntax for conditionals.  Maybe we could move to that instead of a special method, if other DBMSes support it too.
[16:48:41] <Simetrical>	"CASE" or something.
[17:07:07] <derwin>	Duesentrieb: I have now tried about 3 different techniques of upgrading this 1.3.x latin1 wiki to 1.14.0 utf8, and each has failed to translate the relevant characters properly :)
[17:08:52] <derwin>	Duesentrieb: I have tried.. a) "copy database to new host, mysqldump with --default-character-set=latin1, iconv, reload, upgrade" b) "copy db to new host, upgrade, dump as latin1, iconv, reload", now am going to try c) mysqldump on original host, iconv, load, upgrade
[17:09:06] <derwin>	Duesentrieb: this is just as much fun as you warned me it'd be
[17:09:57] <Duesentrieb>	derwin: you can always start with a fresh wiki and import an xml dump. if you can make one from the old db. mwdumper should be able to, i think.
[17:10:53] <Duesentrieb>	you lose your userbase. and you have to rebuild the image table. but content should import fine
[17:13:09] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Image page should list places that image redirects are used - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18017 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Images; (rohde)
[17:14:33] <derwin>	Duesentrieb: yeah.. I think userbase/history/etc might matter in this case more than broken quotes in content
[17:14:41] <derwin>	Duesentrieb: but I guess we'll see....
[17:15:04] <Duesentrieb>	the xml dump contains the full history.
[17:15:24] <derwin>	Duesentrieb: I also have to fudge all the MyISAM table to InnoDB because of the limit on chunk size in utf8, lol
[17:15:41] <Duesentrieb>	and you can probably transfer the user info separately... hm... yes... but if there are non-ascii chars in user names, you'll have the name problem again.
[17:16:00] <Duesentrieb>	you shouldn't be using myisam for most things anyway.
[17:16:06] <Duesentrieb>	only for the search index, really
[17:17:03] <derwin>	Duesentrieb: yeah, I end up having ot hack back searchindex to myisam because it has fulltext indexes :)
[17:17:15] <Duesentrieb>	indeed.
[17:18:33] <derwin>	just for a sanity check to make sure I'm not missing anything obvious.. I am basically sed s/latin1/utf8/ s/MyISAM/InnoDB/ and | iconv -f latin1 -t utf8
[17:28:02] <porter1>	anyone know of a regex that might work to remove a template that has a single argument that I want just as text? Ive tried {{Template:TemplateName|(.*)}}, but it doesn't match the pipe.
[17:29:52] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Deleting an file redirect leaves behind a malfunctioning redirect - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18018 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Deleting; (mikelifeguard)
[17:30:30] <Duesentrieb>	porter1: the pipe is special in a regex. write it as \|
[17:31:19] <Duesentrieb>	derwin: no sed. only ivon. the fields should still be declared to be latin1 (don't ask)
[17:31:36] <porter1>	Duesntrieb, that's what I thought, but then it doesn't match the expression at all!
[17:31:52] <derwin>	Duesentrieb: ?!?!!?
[17:32:04] <derwin>	Duesentrieb: I mean, I will do what you say, but *yow* wth?
[17:32:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Moving media files to Commons ought to be much easier, automatic - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5283  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[17:33:00] <Duesentrieb>	derwin: mysql's utf8 support is broken. so don't let it know that it's utf8... it's... a long story :)
[17:33:10] <Duesentrieb>	also related to the fact that it's supposed to work with mysql 4.0
[17:33:12] <derwin>	Duesentrieb: wow. well at least that's probably my problem :)
[17:33:21] <derwin>	Duesentrieb: I am dumping from mysql 4.0
[17:33:22] <Duesentrieb>	....maybe.
[17:33:27] <Duesentrieb>	anyway, off to dinner
[17:41:13] <_KaszpiR__>	hmm
[17:41:36] <_KaszpiR__>	anyone knows why I get xml parsing error when readng rss?
[17:41:40] <_KaszpiR__>	http://hlds.pl/index.php?title=Specjalna:Ostatnie_zmiany&feed=rss
[17:42:14] <porter1>	Ergh, almost got it to match a template: ({{Template:ContentStandard|(.*)}}), still not getting the pipe though!
[17:43:19] <Wuzur|rhn>	 (\{\{Template:ContentStandard\|(.*?)\}\})
[17:44:26] <porter1>	Wuzur, that doesn't seem to work correctly either
[17:45:07] <Wuzur|rhn>	are you using php?
[17:45:36] <porter1>	No, python, but they are nearly similar
[17:46:40] <porter1>	Here's the tester I'm using: http://re.dabase.com/webre.py?input={{Template%3AContentStandard|+Random+junk+text+I+want+to+keep!%0D%0A}}&regex=(\{\{Template%3AContentStandard\|(.*%3F)\}\})
[17:49:38] <^demon>	VasilievVV: Ping.
[17:50:27] <MGrab>	porter1: How about: {{Template%3AContentStandard\|([^}]*)}}
[17:50:30] <VasilievVV>	^demon: Pong.
[17:50:39] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Warning when moving to a filename that is in use in the shared repository. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18019 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Images; (hartman)
[17:51:03] <^demon>	VasilievVV: Bugs 18015, 18017, 18018 are all about image redirects.
[17:51:21] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) SRF-Ploticus: Embed URL and other metadata into generated plots - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18020 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticResultFormats; (mediawiki)
[17:51:26] <_KaszpiR__>	hm
[17:51:35] <VasilievVV>	^demon: I know about 15 and 17
[17:51:42] <_KaszpiR__>	i'm geting suge amount of spaces in the beginnign of the generated wiki page
[17:51:51] <_KaszpiR__>	if its a html or xml (rss feed)
[17:51:55] <VasilievVV>	And 18 also
[17:52:10] <porter1>	MGrab, that doesn't match either
[17:52:46] <VasilievVV>	^demon: 15 - I suggested WONTFIX, nobody supported me. 17 - they better use Special:Whatlinkshere. 18 - I'm aware, probably cache issues, will investigate it
[17:53:07] <MGrab>	It works for me: http://re.dabase.com/webre.py?input={{Template%3AContentStandard|+Random+junk+text+I+want+to+keep!%0D%0A}}&regex={{Template%3AContentStandard\|([^}]*)}}
[17:53:16] <^demon>	VasilievVV: Fwiw, I'm not sure we need the redirect logic in ImagePage at all. Why not just let Article handle it?
[17:53:57] <VasilievVV>	^demon: afair, there was certain reasons. Check ImagePage.php history
[17:56:03] <porter1>	MGrab, that's odd. Another regex tester doesn't seem to like like it. I'll play around with that one then. Thanks!
[17:57:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Deleting a file redirect leaves behind a malfunctioning redirect - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18018  summary (10mikelifeguard)
[17:58:36] <^demon>	VasilievVV: Seems to be the attempt at local->shared redirects was attempted around 34466-34507. It doesn't work though.
[17:58:58] <^demon>	Bryan said in his commit that we can't rely on Article because it won't redirect properly.
[18:00:10] <_KaszpiR__>	hm
[18:00:25] <_KaszpiR__>	i had to manually clear the buffer and set up ob_start("ob_gzhandler"); again
[18:00:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Image page should list places that image redirects are used - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18017  +comment (10hartman)
[18:09:12] <porter1>	MGrab, works perfectly removing single-argument templates. Thanks!
[18:10:30] <Steve[cug]>	afternoon everyone
[18:10:51] <Steve[cug]>	I seem to have an issue getting mediawiki working with clean urls and reverse proxying
[18:11:09] <Steve[cug]>	to be honest, getting it to work with a reverse proxy at all has been a pain
[18:15:54] <CIA-60>	03vasilievvv * r48492 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/Article.php): * (bug 18018) Deleting a file redirect leaves behind a malfunctioning redirect
[18:16:22] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Deleting a file redirect leaves behind a malfunctioning redirect - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18018  +comment (10vasilvv)
[18:16:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Image page should list places that image redirects are used - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18017  +comment (10vasilvv)
[18:17:54] <AVRS>	Hi. I’ve renamed a file at Commons (Test.PNG into Test.png), and there is an "undo" link in the history. When I clicked it, it asked me to check if everything is OK, showing me an empty diff of what I haven’t changed in the description when renaming. Thus, undoing that way did nothing. Should I file a bug?
[18:19:34] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Global interface language setting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18021 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (azatoth)
[18:19:42] <VasilievVV>	AVRS: hmmm... Undo link works for me, at least on my local copy
[18:20:20] <AzaTht>	and no one complains about that bug! 
[18:20:26] <AVRS>	[[commons:File:Test.png]]
[18:21:07] <VasilievVV>	AVRS: hmmm... Do you mean an undo link in move log?
[18:21:16] <AVRS>	VasilievVV: no, in edit history.
[18:22:22] <AVRS>	Of the target name.
[18:22:38] <VasilievVV>	AVRS: it's not file moving issue
[18:23:03] <AVRS>	The revert link in the log of the original name acts like it will work.
[18:24:35] <markisoke>	Hello, is here a dutch supporter?
[18:25:10] <AVRS>	VasilievVV: I see. I’ve search for "renam" and not "mov". So it’s bug 4433
[18:26:51] <markisoke>	I am looking for an option, a group of users can set this: She can put in an code on an Article and that give mods an warning to delete that page
[18:27:10] <AVRS>	*searched
[18:27:15] <markisoke>	Yes
[18:27:39] <AVRS>	That was a correction of my message.
[18:29:13] <markisoke>	Ohh xD
[18:38:51] <Nikerabbit>	18021 is duplicate of something
[18:43:50] <markisoke>	Nows anybody more of my question 
[18:48:44] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Global interface language setting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18021  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[18:48:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Global preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14950  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[19:00:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Set article autopatrol for user group rollbackers on svwiki. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16319  15enhancement->trivial; +comment (10petter.strandmark)
[19:46:13] <domas>	\o/
[19:46:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) 'cur' link in article history should have 'diff=cur' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8498  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[19:47:16] <CIA-60>	03midom * r48493 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ProfilerSimpleTrace.php: add memory tracing
[19:58:09] <Nikerabbit>	domas: whatcha doing?
[19:59:20] <domas>	Nikerabbit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page?forcetrace=true
[20:00:31] <Nikerabbit>	domas: what's interesting in that?
[20:00:54] <Nikerabbit>	many wfMsgReal?
[20:02:09] <domas>	I added memory tracing!
[20:02:20] <domas>	now you can see how much memory is gained/released at every step!
[20:02:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) ImagePage: Don't link filehistory-selected - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17912  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[20:04:11] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special:Import now eating all ampersands - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18022 blocker; Normal; MediaWiki: Export/Import; (jidanni)
[20:04:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Import now eating all ampersands - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18022  normal->highest (10jidanni)
[20:06:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Import now eating all ampersands - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18022  04BLOCKER->normal; highest->normal; +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[20:07:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Set logo for Saterlandic wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17638  (10maartenvdbent)
[20:10:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Set logo for Saterlandic wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17638  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[20:10:24] <MZMcBride>	Eating?
[20:11:09] *ialex 	eats MZMcBride :P
[20:11:12] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r48494 10/trunk/phase3/includes/User.php: Added 'override-export-depth' right to User::$mCoreRights
[20:11:16] <MZMcBride>	:O
[20:19:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Set logo for Saterlandic wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17638  (10maartenvdbent)
[20:22:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Set logo for Saterlandic wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17638  (10mikelifeguard)
[20:28:31] <r8stlin>	i have one question I can't seem to find on the main wiki....I installed the latest version (1.14.0) and it will not access any of the skins.  Does anyone know of this problem.
[20:31:09] <r8stlin>	!ping
[20:31:09] --mwbot--	PING
[20:31:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SkinTemplate.php's buildContentActionUrls() ignores protection for article and talk pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17963  (10jidanni)
[20:31:58] <CIA-60>	03rotem * r48495 10/trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): 
[20:31:58] <CIA-60>	* Localization update for he.
[20:31:58] <CIA-60>	* In WikimediaMessages: Changing grouppage-bigexporter to grouppage-bigexport, to match the group and group member messages, and the original definition.
[20:31:58] <CIA-60>	* In core: Rebuilding English file.
[20:35:47] <r8stlin>	server is laggin bigtime
[20:39:15] <Nikerabbit>	domas: anything interesting in memory?
[20:41:32] <domas>	ah, just megabytes in/out with all the message loading
[20:46:42] <Nikerabbit>	domas: :(
[20:47:18] <CIA-60>	03vasilievvv * r48496 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/AbuseFilter.hooks.php: Really fix bug 17664 by switching from $editor->textbox1 (which of course contains section text, not page text) to $text in EditFilterMerged hook
[20:48:00] <domas>	I think I can fix that!
[20:48:05] <domas>	by using cdb for all extension messages
[20:48:32] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Logo for stq.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15379  +comment (10maartenvdbent)
[20:48:38] <Nikerabbit>	domas: will you?
[20:48:43] <Nikerabbit>	domas: why not for all messages?
[20:49:25] <domas>	Tim wrote all the code already
[20:49:29] <domas>	we just need someone to break everything
[20:49:30] <domas>	:)
[20:49:34] <domas>	and I can have that burden
[20:49:41] <Nikerabbit>	hmm
[20:49:46] <Nikerabbit>	how to break?
[20:50:20] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Set logo for Saterlandic wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17638  +comment (10maartenvdbent)
[20:50:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Logo for stq.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15379  (10maartenvdbent)
[20:50:35] <domas>	Nikerabbit: dunno yet
[20:54:07] <r8stlin>	can someone answer a question
[20:54:12] <TimStarling>	hehe: http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tim_Starling&action=history
[20:54:22] <TimStarling>	I was testing email notification and ialex reverted me
[20:54:23] <r8stlin>	i have one question I can't seem to find on the main wiki....I installed the latest version (1.14.0) and it will not access any of the skins.  Does anyone know of this problem.
[20:54:39] <TimStarling>	no duplicate, btw
[20:54:55] <ialex>	TimStarling: sorry :)
[20:57:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Multiple duplicate identical email notifications (enotif) being sent by job queue - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17620  (10tstarling)
[20:59:40] <wikibugs>	06(LATER) Logo for stq.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15379  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[21:02:49] <derwin>	are you really in the DRC?
[21:02:54] <derwin>	err
[21:03:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) colon sometimes URL encoded "%3A" right there in the browser URL entry area - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17680  (10jidanni)
[21:04:26] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Enable Special:Books on Swedish Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18023 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; (petter.strandmark)
[21:05:19] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r48497 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (5 files): Added $wgTiffThumbnailType
[21:08:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SkinOffline doesn't correctly handle raw HTML returned by SkinTemplate::buildSidebar() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17586  summary (10tstarling)
[21:09:55] <derwin>	Duesentrieb: I just tried "dump db as latin1, iconv to utf but don't sed, load, upgrade mediawiki" and chars are still getting munged :/
[21:10:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Extremely large videos don't play for some people - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16591  15enhancement->normal (10tstarling)
[21:18:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) The logging table needs a log_user_text field so that events from anonymous users can be logged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3732  +comment (10jidanni)
[21:28:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add closing PHP tags to end of all files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17642  (10jidanni)
[21:35:44] <wikibugs>	03(RESOLVED) Add closing PHP tags to end of all files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17642  +comment (10tstarling)
[21:42:15] <wikibugs>	03(RESOLVED) Add closing PHP tags to end of all files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17642  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[21:42:32] <Simetrical>	werdna, why are those saying (RESOLVED)?  Shouldn't they just be saying (mod)?  We didn't change the resolution.
[21:44:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add closing PHP tags to end of all files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17642  (10tstarling)
[21:46:58] <Splarka>	!?>
[21:46:58] --mwbot--	The PHP closing tag "?>" is never required at the end of a pure-code php file, and mediawiki developers actively remove it, as it often causes problems related to trailing whitespace, and "headers already sent" errors. See also http://news.php.net/php.general/280796 and !bom
[21:47:22] <Simetrical>	!?!
[21:47:22] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "?!".
[21:47:27] <Simetrical>	!
[21:48:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add closing PHP tags to end of all files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17642  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[21:50:21] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) "Edit" link not working as expected - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13287  +comment (10brion)
[21:51:20] <CIA-60>	03brion * r48498 10/trunk/extensions/Gadgets/SpecialGadgets.php: 
[21:51:20] <CIA-60>	Revert r48479 "(bug 13287) Edit links don't work as expected. Removed the edit links entirely. We already link to the pages anyway and the edit links were causing UI clutter."
[21:51:20] <CIA-60>	Removing the links to edit the UI messages means it's necessary to dig around and guess at names to update the gadget descriptions. IMHO this is pretty terrible, and definitely a step backwards in usability.
[21:51:32] <CIA-60>	03dale * r48499 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/mv_embed/ (8 files in 5 dirs): 
[21:51:32] <CIA-60>	revamping of license tagging / images via creative commons urls.
[21:51:32] <CIA-60>	updates to archive.org search system.
[21:51:32] <CIA-60>	improved ?debug handling in mv_embed
[21:51:33] <CIA-60>	style updates for licensee display
[21:53:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add closing PHP tags to end of all files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17642  (10jidanni)
[21:55:58] <wikibugs>	03(RESOLVED) Add closing PHP tags to end of all files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17642  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[21:57:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) colon sometimes URL encoded "%3A" right there in the browser URL entry area - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17680  (10roan.kattouw)
[21:58:07] <charitwo>	lol at 17642
[22:00:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) colon sometimes URL encoded "%3A" right there in the browser URL entry area - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17680  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[22:02:30] <TimStarling>	can we stop commenting on that closing tag bug now?
[22:02:47] <Simetrical>	Maaaaaaaybe.
[22:04:39] <Skizzerz>	TimStarling: can't bugzilla admins lock bugs?
[22:05:02] <TimStarling>	no
[22:05:17] <TimStarling>	I just have to ask nicely or DDoS your DSL
[22:05:40] <Splarka>	Tim: create a comment with just ?>
[22:05:56] <Splarka>	that should at least shut jidanni up ^_^
[22:09:48] <^demon>	Splarka: iirc, theres like 50ish bugs open with jidanni as reporter.
[22:10:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Export ignoring input parameters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15667  +comment (10jidanni)
[22:10:03] <Splarka>	indeed
[22:10:06] <Splarka>	^
[22:10:24] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) SkinTemplate.php's buildContentActionUrls() ignores protection for article and talk pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17963  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[22:11:13] <Splarka>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&email1=jidanni%40jidanni.org&emailtype1=exact&emailassigned_to1=1&emailreporter1=1
[22:11:25] <Splarka>	67^
[22:12:15] <werdna>	hello hello
[22:12:37] <ialex>	hey werdna
[22:12:50] <werdna>	^demon: did i mention you broke password resetting?
[22:13:41] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Automatically add <p> to <blockquote> - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7815  +comment (10herd)
[22:14:16] <Splarka>	^66
[22:14:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) ImagePage: Don't link filehistory-selected - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17912  (10subfader)
[22:15:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Export return 404 on non-existant pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3161  +comment (10jidanni)
[22:15:33] <CrazyTB>	Is there any way to permanently delete an uploaded file?
[22:15:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Export ignoring input parameters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15667  (10innocentkiller)
[22:16:13] <porter1>	CrazyTB, from the wiki itself?
[22:16:20] <CrazyTB>	yeah
[22:16:31] <CrazyTB>	I've uploaded a test file, just to check if it works
[22:16:47] <CrazyTB>	and now I've deleted it, but it is still available for undelete
[22:16:54] <^demon>	werdna: yeah i know. i've been trying to fix it.
[22:17:15] <werdna>	^demon: oh good
[22:17:21] <Raymond_>	werdna: good morning. before I go to bed now: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spezial:Missbrauchsfilter/history/2/diff/prev/22 shows literal &#32; in the last row
[22:17:23] <Duesentrieb>	CrazyTB: you don't. mediawiki is like a revision control system. nothing gets "really" deleted.
[22:17:35] <Splarka>	should be a maintenance script for that
[22:17:41] <werdna>	do you desire additional appendages (hands), let me know
[22:17:42] <ekimmargni>	There is a maintenance script to get rid of old deleted files
[22:17:48] <Splarka>	what does cleanupImages.php ?
[22:17:51] <Splarka>	^do
[22:17:53] <Duesentrieb>	well, if you really REALLY want to, you can make it, but... that's not the idea
[22:17:55] <ekimmargni>	but there is no need to run it normally
[22:18:02] <Splarka>	hmm, that just cleans up titles
[22:18:19] <CrazyTB>	hm.... If I remember correctly...
[22:18:29] <CrazyTB>	whenever I delete an article, I can really delete it forever
[22:18:37] <Splarka>	Crazy: they're files, go to the folder and delete them, heh
[22:18:44] <Duesentrieb>	CrazyTB: nope.
[22:18:46] <^demon>	werdna: yeah i'm taking another look after class.
[22:19:01] <Splarka>	ahh, deleteArchivedFiles.php
[22:19:11] <Splarka>	and deleteOldRevisions.php for revisions
[22:20:16] <ekimmargni>	CrazyTB: no, you can't. That's the whole point :)
[22:20:38] <Splarka>	sure ya can, it just isn't done automatically
[22:21:23] <ekimmargni>	not from within the wiki
[22:21:53] <CrazyTB>	okay, so the maintainence scripts can do that
[22:22:02] <CrazyTB>	that's good enough
[22:22:14] <porter1>	Yep. Or you could write an extension to do it.
[22:22:29] <porter1>	Not too hard, I would imagine.
[22:22:49] <CrazyTB>	no need for that
[22:23:15] <wikibugs>	03(RESOLVED) colon sometimes URL encoded "%3A" right there in the browser URL entry area - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17680  +comment (10jayvdb)
[22:23:19] <Duesentrieb>	CrazyTB: when running a wiki, get used to having a load of useless crap lying around in histories, etc.
[22:23:25] <Duesentrieb>	that'S just how it is.
[22:24:06] <CrazyTB>	yeah
[22:24:32] <^demon>	:-\
[22:24:58] <^demon>	fighting over bug closures...fun
[22:25:40] <OverlordQ>	just blame it on being a jidanni bug :P
[22:28:05] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Please add "jude" to application/zip in "mime.types" files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18024 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Uploading; (denilsonsa)
[22:28:33] <CrazyTB>	hehe, the bug I've just opened. :)
[22:33:47] <Splarka>	var wgArticleId = "1727";
[22:33:54] <Splarka>	var wgArticleId = 0;
[22:33:59] <Splarka>	that seems dumb
[22:35:38] <^demon>	splarka: its not the only js var we have.
[22:35:51] <^demon>	*not the only dumb
[22:36:51] <Splarka>	wgCurRevisionId = false;
[22:36:58] <Splarka>	should be false at least when null
[22:37:03] <Splarka>	or -1
[22:37:07] <Splarka>	or "0"
[22:37:13] <Splarka>	bah
[22:38:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) colon sometimes URL encoded "%3A" right there in the browser URL entry area - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17680  (10jidanni)
[22:39:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Export ignoring input parameters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15667  (10jidanni)
[22:40:44] <^demon>	jidanni is so helpful.
[22:41:41] <werdna>	haha, that's one way to say it
[22:45:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Multiple duplicate identical email notifications (enotif) being sent by job queue - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17620  +comment (10webmelos)
[22:49:50] <[KrusheR]>	hi
[22:50:14] <[KrusheR]>	is it possible to set mediawiki to be read only for a while?
[22:50:39] <Reedy>	!readonly
[22:50:39] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgReadOnly
[22:50:54] <[KrusheR]>	thanks
[23:04:40] <CIA-60>	03dale * r48500 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/mv_embed/ (4 files in 3 dirs): minor archive.org license support updates
[23:15:33] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) tests/README wording out of date - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18025 trivial; Normal; MediaWiki: Documentation; (jidanni)
[23:15:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) tests/README wording out of date - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18025  normal->lowest (10jidanni)
[23:17:54] <^demon>	Document what? How to install make?
[23:23:10] <derwin>	is my mediawiki's page text in "text" in field old_text, or somwhere else?
[23:23:43] <werdna>	VasilievVV: Any final bugs before I deploy to enwiki?
[23:24:12] <OverlordQ>	derwin: should be (dont quote me on that)
[23:24:19] <VasilievVV>	werdna: have you noticed I fixed another bug in SVN?
[23:25:34] <VasilievVV>	werdna: no bugs that I'm aware of
[23:25:47] <Splarka>	werdna: it is still slightly disturbing that either:
[23:26:10] <Splarka>	a) edit_delta applies to deletes or moves
[23:26:19] <Splarka>	b) old_size and new_size apply to different articleIDs
[23:26:21] <Splarka>	not sure which
[23:26:46] <Splarka>	but more of an 'enhancement' level bug ^_^
[23:27:59] <werdna>	VasilievVV: worked
[23:28:04] <werdna>	vas	thanks :)
[23:28:24] <werdna>	Splarka: no, it's just that undefined (as opposed to unrecognised) variables are zero.
[23:28:29] <werdna>	It'as a filter bug
[23:28:59] <brion>	awright
[23:29:02] <brion>	bugs broke 18000 :D
[23:29:02] <Splarka>	k
[23:29:19] <Reedy>	brion, at least the majority are closed :P
[23:29:21] <Splarka>	brion: thanks to a special effort from jidanni
[23:29:24] <brion>	hehe
[23:29:31] <werdna>	hahaha
[23:30:09] <Splarka>	306
[23:32:37] <VasilievVV>	werdna: btw, I still think we should prettify navigation somehow and support normal arrays in parser
[23:32:51] <werdna>	yes, fair enough.
[23:32:54] <werdna>	Have you opened bugs?
[23:33:19] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enable Abuse Filter on English Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15684  +comment (10Andrew)
[23:33:38] <VasilievVV>	werdna: not really. I hoped to fix them when I have more free time
[23:38:13] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) exportnowrap busted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18026 trivial; Normal; MediaWiki: API; (jidanni)
[23:39:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Edit a section results in wrong examine description - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17664  (10brion)
[23:39:40] <VasilievVV>	werdna: so, what's enwiki's policy on promoting 'abusefilter' flag?
[23:40:21] <werdna>	VasilievVV: probably "any admin can"
[23:40:38] <^demon>	18026 makes no sense.
[23:41:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "name" attributes get removed by server - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17874  +comment (10lejonel)
[23:43:07] <VasilievVV>	werdna: what was the purpose of splitting them then?
[23:43:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) exportnowrap busted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18026  +comment (10brion)
[23:43:31] <werdna>	VasilievVV: removing it is like blocking an admin
[23:44:02] *VasilievVV 	remembers something like that was done on ruwiki with editor/rollback flag
[23:55:10] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r48501 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/Views/AbuseFilterViewEdit.php: Disable logging until logging table is fixed up
[23:56:55] <Gustavo>	alguien on line que me pueda ayudar a instalar mi wiki ?